#tank-balance-discussion

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grim marlin
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They might balance tech tree tanks, prems tho? they might be eligible for a buff but never a nerf

full token
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They can be nerfed. WG just doesn’t like nerfing them, for obvious reasons

unique scaffold
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Yeah they should nerf british tanks

winged bear
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I think Kranwagen is too good

muted rampart
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@winged bear it's balanced

unique scaffold
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No

muted rampart
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@unique scaffold you want to nerf 183, 183's line, 4202, centurion 1, conqueror, churchills etc. Even more?

Are you sure you are sober?

unique scaffold
muted rampart
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@unique scaffold yeah... tortoise is op... centurion 1 is op...

drowsy plaza
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Cent I is totally OP. In a tier 6 game...

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There is legitimately zero reason to play the Cent I because the FV301 and Caernarvon do it’s job better in the Brit Tech Tree, and the Cent 5/1, Mk1 Defender and Chimera exist as premiums.

latent snow
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Medium II is completely OP pls nerf11!!1

-amelly probably

muted rampart
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@drowsy plaza cent 1 in the current State could easly be T7 and it wouldn't be even overcooked xD

remote oriole
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The British techtree offers everything from devastatingly overpowered to painfully horrible. It also includes some truly unique creations that vary greatly in effectiveness between different players. I don’t think that a general statement about the techtree as a whole is possible

However, I do believe that all tanks in this game collectively need a nerf to make accuracy and mobility relevant again

sinful leaf
remote oriole
# sinful leaf Even Pershing? Let me rephrase that, there are some tanks that have been very un...

I won’t even begin to talk about exceptions because that would completely miss the point of the nerf. The nerf is designed with the idea in mind to shift the whole game to a state where all tanks are less accurate and less mobile than before. This is meant to give a greater range between the top performing tanks and the bottom performing tanks, to create a more significant difference between tanks that are considered accurate/mobile and those that are generally perceived as inaccurate/sluggish.

The individual balancing of tanks is entirely disregarded here, because it’s meant to be a more general nerf such as the medium nerf or the heavy buff were. I am not trying to buff underpowered tanks here.

In case you wonder, this nerf I envision seeks to decrease everything so that the absolute difference stays the same, but due to the values being decreased the relative difference increases. This is basically compensating the powercreep created by provisions and equipment and also buffing mobile and/or accurate tanks because unlike provisions and equipment I would nerf with absolute and not relative values

sinful leaf
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🤔
I'm slightly confused, this is World of tanks Blitz so it doesn't make sense to make the games last longer from what the nerf is trying to achieve...

delicate moth
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German super duper heavies are balanced in a platoon.

remote oriole
# sinful leaf 🤔 I'm slightly confused, this is World of tanks *Blitz* so it doesn't make sens...

I am not trying to make games longer. That will probably be a side effect but I don’t really see a harm in that. The actual goal is to create more of a difference between the top performing and the low performing tanks to make the statistic more meaningful again. Because as it stands now every tank is both reasonably accurate and mobile, give for a few exceptions. There is a certain limit from which on a a statistic gets meaningless because the actual effect on the gameplay is almost diminished, and that limit has been crossed by accuracy and to a degree by mobility. I seek to put both stats below said limit again to make the statistical differences have more influence on the game. While I’m at it I also want to indirectly buff mobile and accurate tanks because they tend to be weaker nowadays compared to armoured and high alpha tanks.

sinful leaf
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Hmmmm... wouldn't it just be better to undo the recent heavy/TD buffs or am I actually missing something here?
Ok you have a point there, but I don't necessarily see the need for that large scale of a nerf... Yet.

muted rampart
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You do @sinful leaf none of them got accuaracy/mobility buff

remote oriole
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It would be easier, but the hp buff gave heavies and mediums a stronger distinction. While everything was more or less balanced you could drive any tank and basically play more or less the same positions with more or less the same success. It was all generally the same which is why WG decided to take such a drastic step.

I want to build on the foundation they laid and further increase the specialisation of classes while also weakening the stranglehold heavies have on almost all tiers. But for that heavies need to lose some medium features so that they can be uniquely assigned to mediums and mediums alone.

What I seek is a reorientation, not a step back

sinful leaf
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Ok.

safe rapids
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Nerf their view range.

plucky pumice
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I said this two weeks ago, can they pls buff the penetration and velocity by simply switching out the Type59 shell it uses. Or is this why it's being sold for very cheap now?

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nimble zodiac
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Nah that's what they get for not being a Russian tonk >:)

fiery flame
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Glacial used to have 175mm pen when it came out lol

vagrant void
sinful leaf
sweet prism
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tier 8 derpy gun heavy tank with shell velocity 900 m/s not enough for you, meanwhile tier X tds like obj 268 has 760 m/s

unique scaffold
versed tide
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“armor”

scarlet fjord
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idk if being paper to 260 AP is good armor for the mobility that vehicle has

vagrant void
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Actually, WG has a policy of not nerfing any premium vehicle, same on WoT PC and I believe console, WoWs is a completely different story, however, but its a completely different game so who cares really.

fickle glade
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dude e100 sucks

muted rampart
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@vagrant void no xD. They nerfed Premiums in the past. They just don't like doing it for obvious reasons

crystal halo
fickle glade
crystal halo
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It’s basically a TD gun slapped into a turret on a really good hull

vagrant void
fickle glade
mint crown
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Did anyone have the case of disappearing money in the game ? For example,having 4 million credits before a battle and after the battle ends and you return in your garage all of your credits are missing...that happened to my friend twice already

minor minnow
full token
fickle glade
nimble zodiac
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I guess only Tiger II has a good hull

@fickle glade clearly you didn't sidescrape correctly then

unique scaffold
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In my experience, the Maus works better for sidescraping, probably because its tracks are completely armored on the sides

stiff edge
muted rampart
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@unique scaffold nah, it's tracks aren't armored beacuse maus model doesn't have tracks behind armor in this game. Model of tracks of maus in this game is only where You can see them

nimble zodiac
fickle glade
turbid smelt
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@fickle glade you can check those models of tank from blitzhangar.com

select tank >> scroll down >> models
click model which appears 3d and then yoy can look arpund the armor profile

some models are inaccurate, like super pershing behind gun mantlet says 0 when in fact that is over 300mm only part where the gun is located is 0mm

jagged crescent
stiff edge
nimble zodiac
crystal halo
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E-100 upper plate is better than Maus I believe, the sides can be a vortex of angled right, and it’s really good for baiting shots, plus you can put trade any heavy

muted rampart
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E-100 is just better than maus at everything except turret armor, size of lower plate and accuaracy

unique scaffold
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Buff all the t7s to make annihilator not op

actually don't

mental pasture
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None is going to talk about WZ Blaze here and how weird it is?
The tank tries to be a Helsing with a normal cannon, but fail is most of the stats

It got a good calliber, but the reload isn't that good when compared to other TDs with the same calliber
It got a very good aim time, but the dispersion while moving and while still is as imprecise as SU-122-44
it got a good depression, but the elevation sucks

the real advantages of this tank are the speed, 40/40 degrees turret, aim time and calliber. You're a Grille without the big DPM and dispersion

jagged crescent
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accuracy isn't even that much worse either

mental pasture
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tbh there's another advantage on WZ Blaze tho; the price

if you don't have much premium tanks and watched ads for 2 months, then you just guaranteed a quite rare tier 7 in your garage

muted rampart
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@mental pasture it's not rare. It was free. 2 times

mental pasture
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much people do sell premium tanks that aren't very good, same probably happened with it, cuz in all the tier 6-8 battles I played, i haven't seen one WZ blaze

hardy hazel
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ok is not rare, how many blazes you meet in battle?

versed tide
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I had almost never seen one b4 they sold it recently and the event last summer

coarse harness
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It's not rare just bad so no one plays it

unique scaffold
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It was really bad back when the event to get blaze or glacial was around

muted rampart
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Both was bad. And they still are. Now those tanks are just playable

unique scaffold
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I meet a WZ-Blaze almost every other battle, and that is when I’m playing in a tier 8!

toxic nymph
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love seeing blazes on the enemy team. great he fodder.

winged barn
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I love my blaze. Only problems I find with it is the elevation and ammo capacity

And those are obscure things to not like

Its frontally HE proofed, accurate, decently mobile, hits hard, and has plenty of depression

deft owl
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@muted rampart E100 isnt better then maus.

mental pasture
winged barn
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I run a 15/5/4
Running out of AP is the last thing I want.

quiet anchor
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crystal halo
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One of the most difficult strategies in the game to figure out is how many of each shell you’ll take in Fv 183 since it only has 16 ammo slots

turbid smelt
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@crystal halo
9 ap and 7 hesh
that's it
i run rammer and play second line, tank just works great

unique scaffold
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I carry 9 AP, 5 HESH and and 2 HE to maximize credits so I don’t waste HESH on a tank like a grille and etc. I would point out that it also has to depend on the players play style I’m 85% of the time playing with the heavies as their support in case they get pushed I have the fear factor to use against them if not I can just peek and shoot them. Others may just love to camp in it, in that case ammo load out would be very different.

crystal halo
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I go 7 AP 6 HESH and 3 HE for splashing or grille’s

sudden granite
turbid smelt
wraith ice
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Dear wargaming, what is up with the game lately? Not bad enough that I get mostly noobs in my team but rng is horrible as well, missing shots out of the circle from a close distance, bouncing sure shots on side of light tanks and to top it off lowrolls very frecuente out of 5 shots 4 lowrolls, maybe a high roll once every 10 shots.... is this happening just to certain players you don’t want to see winning or to all.... cause honestly it’s not a fair game and hasn’t been for a while, I’m honestly about to quit this game for good If it do t change quick, and yes I know you don’t care and won’t care for this message....

unique scaffold
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Nerf british tanks

remote oriole
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Hello.
Your demand is unreasonable.
Good bye

nimble zodiac
unique scaffold
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No

noble quail
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Why do the british tanks need a nerf?

I don't have a big problem with them, but that's just for me.

hardy hazel
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Being british 🇬🇧

Because british :flag_gb:
vvv

unique scaffold
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They are op

full token
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Give some reasons for such an incredibly rare thinking

hardy hazel
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I think he got clapped by 183 and vickers cr or clipped by a 4005

unique scaffold
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@full token he’s just saying that to stir people up I’m sure he keeps saying it the past week in his messages

real bison
wide nest
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WoTBlitz Wargaming.
Kindly check Asia.
Players there are rotting from the core. You want new players? There you go, new players that are just so bad at this game.
This will be my last month of playing this game. After creating my account in Jan 2019. I just have to finish this premium BP that I bought. Since it's the new year, probably time now for a new game.

hardy hazel
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Please go, you have to find something better than this unbalanced hell
😔
🙏

swift cradle
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with the advent of the anni the predator is just a worst version of it

unique scaffold
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Heyoo

unique scaffold
# real bison how

Every aspect and you dont know how to play really good with these tanks

real bison
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@unique scaffold actually how, every single tank in the UK tech tree has severe weaknesses

sudden granite
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Though the vickers is the best light in the game now

unique scaffold
real bison
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@unique scaffold what, reload time?

tribal moss
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@unique scaffold please tell me you're making a god awful joke.
Every tank can be OP in the right hands, 4202 has more DPM than a Leo, 215b/Conq has that nasty 120mm, Vickers light is the best out of the entire tree, 4005 and 183 can shred u.

real bison
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the FV4202 can have more dpm if you use the hesh gun with hesh

coarse harness
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AMX 13 90 Defender instead of a RU Defender

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

remote oriole
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Yes

ancient karma
real bison
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cover the names, and if you came here to complain about MM, don’t

nocturne mauve
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Oh no that new t34 85 looks so weird that the front buckle doesn’t move along with the tank

coarse harness
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Another reskinned garbage for the battlepass spam

nocturne mauve
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It’s very lazily made to be honest

teal palm
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Thunder was the most lazy from a design point of view
Literally just a reskin with a added machine gun

nocturne mauve
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Well it did have a shining star, however this new one is just weird and bad looking

unique scaffold
real bison
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@unique scaffold no he didn’t

noble quail
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Maybe his HP got drained by an AT-15 or something

unique scaffold
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0 knowledge of this game

rare sleet
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Fv4202 shooting apcr plays like a mediocre medium tank, however while shooting hesh you lose the extra penetration of gold rounds for shooting heavies to be traded for extra alpha damage giving the fv4202 great amounts of dpm, The fv4202 has good gun dpression but terrible turret armor but a really strong upper plate, it has average mobility for a tier 10 medium and decent camo. I don't see anything overpowered, The pen trade for extra damage is what makes the tank special

If you have all the tier 10's tanks do you noticeably see you play better with the british tanks or your making your own opinion without actually comparing the fact you don't have all the british tanks and you are only playing against good players in them? @unique scaffold

tribal moss
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No u. British tanks (save for the Vickers) aren't OP, they're underperforming in their own tiers. DPM isn't everything, u gotta know that.

  1. Fv4202 turret is a lot better than the Leo's, but it comes from a line of hulldown tanks!
  2. 215b has a rear mounted turret, should mean it can side scrape right? NOPE!
  3. Vickers line is cracked.
  4. 4005 line has slow turret traverse, ugh.
  5. 183 line is the worst to grind, 183 also misses a lot god sakes.
distant river
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British tanks in the whole are below average for most people but you can do so many brilliant things with them if you figure out how to use them. Their HESH and generally good mobility makes them really strong in the hands of a good player, so that's why the can't be buffed overall, but they aren't so strong in the hands of a good player they break the game so a nerf isn't necessary. Overall the Brit tech tree is pretty well balanced and unique and fun to play I'd say

nocturne mauve
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Interesting fact
All brits have a 20 fire chance

remote oriole
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Well, to be fair after the recent buffs to the AT line leading to the 183 it’s a very potent line (save for the Tortoise) that is nice to play (if you like that kind of tank, obviously) so I wouldn’t regard that line as underperforming anymore.

The other lines, while they have their highlights (for example the Black Prince for the heavies, the Conway and the FV4005 for the turreted TDs and the Centurion 7/1 for the mediums) are filled to the top with tanks that felt the powercreep harder than most.

Britain got quite a good roaster in regards to premiums, with strong tanks like the Chimera and the Cromwell B leading the fold alongside some true meme tanks like the TOG II* and the Light VIc. Other noteworthy pieces are the Cearnarvon Action X and the Centurion 5/1 RAAC, and probably some I forgot.

All in all, the tech tree is one of the weaker ones while the premium tanks are in a fairly good spot. I do not thing that an overall nerf to the British nation is justified

sudden path
# tribal moss No u. British tanks (save for the Vickers) aren't OP, they're underperforming in...

4202 is a niche medium that has a special ammo type, premium hesh. This makes it unique and worth grinding if you want to play a hesh med.
215b was the best heavy before the heavy tank buffs and even now, it's still got the consumables and provisions and a great turret, not to mention its phenomenal gun.
Any tank with 1380 burst potential and consumables and spall liner will be good, simple as that.
183 is bad, vickers is good.
In general the british lines are pretty much all decent to good tanks but with low skill floors, meaning most of them(exemption-bp) need skill to play

remote oriole
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Skill to play equals high skill floors

tribal moss
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4202 is literally better than a Leo 1 except in the mobility department, 50km/h is kinda lax.

winged barn
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I'm interested to see how laughable they make the amx defender compared to the 13 90 stats wise

No tier 10 medium can be considered remotely inaccurate though

thick rover
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You forgot gun handling

rare sleet
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Leopard has insane dpm with standard ammunition and it doesn't have to sacrifice the premium ammunition pen for dpm, Leopard 1 has much better gun handling, on movement dispersion, and mobility is much much better.

mental pasture
remote oriole
distant river
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^ you also get out-reloaded by russian meds so they can beat you at peek a boo, so the Leo's dpm is only really useful when farming from a flank

unique scaffold
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Nobody talk about anything else except the pay 2 win Annihilator. Please please pressure WG to nerf it for good ness sake.

lone warren
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@winged barn It’ll probably be so much better than the tech tree version. That’s what I expect usually anyway, but it isn’t always

proud abyss
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yup you are right

fickle glade
full token
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That doesn’t show the entire tech tree being op

distant river
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(They are also completely different tanks so showing gun stats isn't useful)

winged barn
nocturne mauve
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I like how he generalised the whole british tech tree

low cliff
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I like how Tr4p claims british tanks are OP and then just doesn't give any support apart from "they're all good" and "every aspect is good". Bro, if you're going to make a bold claim make sure you have things to back it up apart from relying on other people that refute your claim.

unique scaffold
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It’s almost like someone called him out on his baiting multiple times...

grim marlin
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Was that guy talking about Brit tanks being OP? Idk man, I quit the British tanks because they weren't my thing but from my experience reaching Tier IV in the British tree

They're really not that special

crystal halo
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British aren’t under preforming or over preforming as a whole, the tech tree is decently balanced overall

blissful vigil
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Buff T57 Heavy turret armor.

autumn zodiac
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If the penetration and turret traverse speed get nerfed deal

blissful vigil
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It's a slacker, I don't like it, I've been doing great damage but I do not win. Plus the penetration is average. Nothing special about it

turbid smelt
blissful vigil
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I hate T57 Heavy with all of my heart. No matter what I do the bad team makes my damage effortless and I sit with 40% WR today in T57 Heavy and went from 60% to 53%. Feels amazing... with 2,3k average damage per battle. Want to sell it just as I did with T54E1. Hate both

@muted rampart yes try to make out more than that when your team dies before half the battle is done.

DPB just increased to 2,4k

coarse harness
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2.3K at T10 is actually decent
I mean just look at the playerbase
Players above 2K avg at T10 are usually the better ones

low cliff
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No, because calibrated shells gives you a better bonus than running vents. You get more penetration which means you are able to reliably get those clips out. There's really not a reason to run vents unless there's an autoloader with insane pen

coarse harness
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I use vents on the 4005 because of the terrible after shot bloom

blissful vigil
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I think RNG I trolling me....

lone warren
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2.3k average damage being ‘really bad’ is a bit of an exaggeration

fickle glade
remote oriole
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It’s ideally ten seconds of being exposed. I am sure that you did less than 2.4k in your own T57 (assuming you have one) more than once because, and I’m sure this comes as no surprise to anyone, battles tend to not go ideally

hardy hazel
lone warren
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Considering that the average teammate I get can barely scrape past 1000 average damage at tier ten, I’ll consider someone with 2400 one of the competent people on my team.

versed tide
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I wonder if the gun on the 13 90 defender will be the stock gun on the t9 B-C

low cliff
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At the very least someone with 2000 average in tier 10 is pulling their own weight

nimble zodiac
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@low cliff about FV 4005 needing CS, it doesn't, the penetration is good, and will overcome strong plates with prammo, CS will not do much of anything if the accuracy is bad, as the shells often hit strong spots on the enemy, which CS won't penetrate. The accuracy is vital

unique scaffold
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Even then you can actually run CS on 4005 and still have 3.2K DPM

low cliff
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That's why I said if you think the tank has enough pen you can forego cs.

winged barn
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I dunno, it has that HE
I would probably run CS purely for that purpose

orchid grove
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I run vents on the 4005 because the pen is already great, and anything to boost the monkey accuracy, on top of the turret and hull traverse is a welcome boost

unique scaffold
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Tier 7 tech tree tanks need a little help

nimble zodiac
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@winged barn too bad they made it 123mm so they can slap 550 damage instead of 600, but to be fair 1800 damage is crazy

coarse harness
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@muted rampart so you don't reach 3K with other T10s ?

sinful leaf
muted rampart
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@coarse harness i do, but not with every T10 of course. I can do it Easy in tanks like E3, E100, E50M, Ho-ri, 50B, etc. but not on tanks like leo 1, maus (i just don't like it), lights (i started to Play this class not that much ago so i'm still learning how2play it) etc.

scarlet hazel
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wg never admits to breaking stuff
this game in its entirety is p2w

nimble zodiac
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I know another game that’s so much more P2W, and this game is remotely balanced

@normal verge irrelevant, delete

mental pasture
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  • Blur the names
  • Complain about matchmaker in other place
  • Judge yourself before judge your allies

How can you complain about your teammates if not even you made a decent damage?

toxic nymph
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read the pinned messages, also you might want to delete that before someone important sees it

crystal spoke
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Its only p2w in the sense time is money

sleek plinth
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I think the STA-1 needs a mobility buff from 45km/h to at least 60+ km/h. Rn I the top speed on it is atrocious, considering that the Chimera goes faster than it and that the T-54 mod. 1 only has 1 less km/h per hour yet has good armor for it's tier. However, the STA-1 does not have good enough mobility to take advantage of it's gun and along with the fact that it's armor is poor, make the tank extremely underwhelming.
Quoting the 7.4 stats:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502017295107883008/785808650509484062/7.4_-_t08.png,
The STA-1 has the second worst wr for any tier 8 medium tank.

turbid smelt
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@sleek plinth sta is not a mobile sniper
tank is above average, doesn't need any buff

spot, let allies take hit, while you spank enemies with your high pen gun, use you camo rating, decent mobility and very good flexibility to stay at range while also not being completely open to enemy fire

sleek plinth
azure otter
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The thing about the Japanese medium line is that it teaches you on how to play mediums effectively and efficiently due to them being supportive tanks rather than offensive tanks

turbid smelt
# sleek plinth Then could you suggest what playstyle a STA-1 can adopt? Also as we can clearly ...

I ran it 64% winrate with that playstyle, sta is all about its gun handling, penetration, flexibility, camo and view range.

Chi ri is great trainer tank for sta 1, sta follows same playstyle, you just don't need to duck due to massive reload and meh camo and you don't have issues with penetration

something that really needs buff is centurion 1

@Fudget#2753 it is a balanced medium with same amount of pros and cons
unlike some other tanks at same tier and lower

sleek plinth
sleek plinth
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Alright, after rereviewing the tank and taking it out for several battles, I can say that it performs well in the current meta, especially the penetration which enables you to penetrate a stock E-75's cheeks easily. However, I still strongly feel that uch a tank should have slightly better top speed, of maybe +5 km/h extra. I managed to pull an average of 2k dmg per game over the course of 10 games with a 80% wr, which shows that yes, this tank can perform. @turbid smelt

nimble zodiac
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Such a cringe way of trying to turn this into balance

turbid smelt
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@sleek plinth good luck with grind, type 61 is just better sta

sleek plinth
sacred rain
sacred rain
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Fix the reports which doesnt work, will be my new nick

unique scaffold
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@sacred rain read the pinned messages

sacred rain
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ah sry

fickle glade
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pls nerf the vickers mantlet again

dreamy oar
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I have a idea for a buff for the T-44. What if we buff the 122 d 25-44 and the 100 BL 1 standard pen to 190mm and the prammo pen for the 122 to 235mm or 245mm and for the 100 prammo to 265mm

coarse harness
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RHM is so darn bad
It has great camo, big alpha and a turret. That's all the pros

On the other hand the reload sucks, the pen worst in class, the shell velocity is trash, accuracy garbage, gun dep is non existent.
The tank is slow and paper
You can't avoid ramming and even some of the worst players in the game will spam you with HE

You don't have the speed to keep up with meds
You don't have the velocity to snipe effectively
You don't have the accuracy to hit weak spots but you have to aim for weak spots because your pen is bad
Even with the bad pen you have the worst pen loss over distance

With the 128mm gun it's just a worse SU-130PM

nimble zodiac
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Hehe ISU-152 go brrr

With DPM gun for da memes

Uh ohh, Rhm sacrificed too much be be better than ISU

winged barn
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All the rhm needs is a turret. That makes it better than an isu anyday
Get close and personal, dump and alpha bomb, and then hide behind the nearest ally for then next 15 seconds. Rinse and repeat until all enemies are dead

The isu has to turn the corner to take a shot. The rhm peeks, nukes, and retreats. Far less exposure time

muted rampart
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I like rhm. For me it's okay. But it could use some buff anyways. It got slaped with nerf around 2 years ago if i remember correctly and now it's kind of meh. I still like it, but it could use some better accuaracy and shell velocity.

nimble zodiac
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I think it's hilarious how much faster ISU is to the borsig. They got a lawn mover engine on that paper origami tank

@winged barn ISU pre-aims into predictable corner, enemy turns corner to shoot ally, ISU gains damage, ISU retreat, enemy lacks enough time to fire a certain shot into a newly discovered, retreating TD

Or it can just be a bush monster

sinful leaf
# coarse harness RHM is so darn bad It has great camo, big alpha and a turret. That's all the pro...

The Borsig is perfectly fine where it is, it's just that recent buffs and powercreep makes it look underpowered in comparison, especially the heavy meta at tier 8 makes it a little difficult to use AP reliably but it's fine otherwise. It's pretty much an ambush tank that can work well even when doing mid-range sniping
The WT auf Pz. IV by comparison is an absolute monster of a TD, though that's a discussion for another day.

austere citrus
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i sold RHM because it sucked so hard

tribal moss
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I kept mine, quite liked it. So yeh, gITguDsKrEb.

winged barn
nimble zodiac
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Yeah, rhm pops around corner, boom, spotted and 3 heavies happen to be there

Of course you can do it mid range but sniping would be most effective, obviously, at one-sided trades, something ISU excels in

winged barn
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Who said the rhm was making the initial poke? Nah, I'm usually running right with the meds or heavies, and after they have done all the initial spotting and unloaded the enemies clips/shells, then do I poke

turbid smelt
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i adore rhm, it is very good tank, I do prefer it over isu, it has more stable gun, can quickly respond to enemy, amazing camo rating, good enough speed to get into ambush position and turret to make ambush really easy

isu is pretty good too, but lack of turret and dispersion coefficients forces it to play at range and aim before shooting, but penetration and dpm is really good on isu

crystal spoke
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Honestly the Rhm is one of my favorite high alpha tds though I only prefer the isu130 over the isu152

nimble zodiac
tribal moss
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Boomsig is fun, hitting HTs for 600-700 without getting spotted is my thing.

toxic nymph
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ooof that bloom tho on the isu

turbid smelt
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@nimble zodiac stable doesn't mean accurate

nimble zodiac
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Bam, stable brings nothing to the table, les goooo

remote oriole
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I think the Borsig is a nice tank because of the low profile and the high alpha. If you stick around your allies you will most likely get a good chunk of damage into your enemies before you die

fickle glade
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The rhm has low penetration due to the camo factor and fully traversable turret imo (in the 150mm gun)

winged barn
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The pen isn't even that bad either. Right in line with heavies, which fight directly against the most armored parts.

sinful leaf
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I remember just smacking people out of nowhere even without a bush from 200m with a camo net, and I was already back in cover when they looked at where the shot came from. Always fun to ambush enemies like that.

near portal
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Hi

zealous parrot
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Who know when lunar new year event start???

unique scaffold
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Hello, for wargaming devs could you please buff T34? Tier 8 american heavy premium. It needs some hull armour buff at all even tho the turret is ok at all maybe give it some love.

Or please buff amx30b since the gun is awful... bad dpm at all or buff objekt140’s hull,armour and some gun buff making T62a and obj140 the same like newbies can choose hull down 62a or aggresive 140 make sense.

Another suggestion : re balance missle of sheridan missle the missle range need some few meters buff at all and now missle cant be used on battle so why not buff the missle range again? Like we can use sheridan missle on training rooms, game modes which is fun at all just imagine what we can do on long range missles on training rooms,, i mean most of you wont agree since its broken due to long missle range i mean dont make it long range at all just buff the missle range and im fine.

dense walrus
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T34 is still really solid, turret is decent and the gun is really good. If you're relying on the hull armor that's not a tank problem.

whole flower
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i agree with izumi asigiri they should nerf the t34.

muted rampart
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@unique scaffold T34 is okay. There are many tanks at t8 that need buff way more like: Cent 1, sta 1, T32, T28, pershing, T69, vk 45 02 A and probably many more

winged barn
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Remove t32 and I am happy with that list

mental pasture
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T32 is fine, got problems with the pen? load your prammo and gg

unique scaffold
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I would say T32 is a bit better, it has one of, if not, the strongest turrets in the entire game, it has a decent reload, decent mobility, has a better hull, and is an all around solid tank, the only thing T34 is definitively better at is penatration, other then that, the T32 is really good, and it’s a good tank to get for both non-experienced and veteran players, and I can say that with honesty, it was my first Tier 8 when I came back from several years being gone, meanwhile, the T34 requires skilled hands that know how to deal with its weaknesses

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If there is an American heavy that needs a buff, then make it M103, for crying out loud, the front of the turret is weaker THAN THE T1 HEAVY’S TURRET

sinful leaf
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You know buffing a tier 9 tank just because a tier 5 tank is broken or has features that make it overpowered isn't exactly a good idea(not to mention the current meta is literally lacking variety with heavies at almost across any possible tier being better than any other class). The again, it's not like you said M103 needed a buff lmao

toxic nymph
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basically the entire american med line needs a buff, aside from the shermans

unique scaffold
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Oh, it’s not just T1 Heavy, take a good look at M6, T29, and T32, and then try to tell me that the front of the turret is fine, they can at least make the second turret’s armor better

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Please give me back my atgms wargaming why do u take my missiles its unfair cuz its sheridans identiti not players wont have any reasons to play sheridan

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Idk 340 heat on a tier 10 light is pretty nasty to play with

toxic nymph
turbid smelt
# nimble zodiac Bam, stable brings nothing to the table, les goooo

it does, you don't have to wait as long for reticle to come down and fire pretty quickly just after aiming at your target
even snap shoting is better because you fire at dispersion closer to your base accuracy, something that isu struggles with

ex: this is one of the reasons why e100 gun feels better than jg pz e100 gun

jagged crescent
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I disagree with grumpy boy they should've nerfed the t34

I am speaking satire @turbid smelt

turbid smelt
plucky pumice
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Can we like, buff the IS-6 one more time pls lol. Can really do with an extra 10mm front and better dpm so it turns into a premium tier8 IS4

winged barn
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Nah, just give the obj252 the obj252u turret.

For those that don't know:
IS6=obj252

versed tide
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Ah yes the floor is floor

hardy hazel
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No, we dont need another stupid soviet heavy in the game

crystal spoke
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The is-6 is perfect how it is

dense yoke
turbid smelt
winged barn
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Sidescraping has its uses... but not on a td with the gun mounted on the front freaking bumper

dense yoke
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I have bounced many shots in ISU 152, while side scraping and wiggling. Not many expect to bounce on ISU 152.

nimble zodiac
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Abuse mantlet :3

dense yoke
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Corner sides

plucky laurel
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We all know the Annihilator needs a Nerf(or the majority of Tech Tree Tanks from tiers 6,7,and 8 wilo need a Buff),what are your Ideas? Personally I would decrease its Turret Armor,increase the Reload by 1 or 2 seconds,and make the Turret Traverse a bit slower that way it can be Circle-of'Death'ed like the vast majority of Heavy Tanks and TDs

stuck haven
plucky laurel
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Its not too late to salvage Tier 7,Tier 8 tho is an entirely different Beast

turbid smelt
plucky laurel
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True

unique scaffold
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Nerf british tanks

full token
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lol k

EGirl_Gen4 or 5 idk cant keep with these

real bison
# unique scaffold Nerf british tanks

again, HOW are they in any way OP

@unique scaffold the 1st 3 tanks in the tech tree are the slowest heavies in their tier respectively (ignore the tog), the tier 8 has no alpha and can just be out traded, plus the turret is weak compared to American and USSR tanks, the conq is massive, with a weak cupola, and the FV215b has a weak frontal plate

Only the conq and FV215b deal more than 350 in a shot, all the rest deal extremely low dmg

unique scaffold
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he said nerf churchills xd

full token
hardy hazel
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just dont take him seriously if you know he is trolling lol

fiery flame
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Churchill’s are a bit too fast for how much armour they have, nerf top speed to 10km

nimble zodiac
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Lmao

remote oriole
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I must say, I kind of like that thinking. Just going completely over the top creating meme tanks

unique scaffold
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Tis a good way to lose credibility

hardy hazel
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like asking for a buff to is 4 because i dont know how to use it and got clapped by a ms 1?

nimble zodiac
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No, like saying TDs are unbalanced because they can use the bushes and distance to their advantage xD

I hope you know who I'm referring to

hardy hazel
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yeah i know

remote oriole
# unique scaffold Tis a good way to lose credibility

To lose credibility you need to have any in the first place 😛
But regardless, I wouldn't mind some meme tanks as long as they are a meme because they are so bad. I think that allows for some fun activities that don't really hurt anyone

real bison
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valiant and excalibur when

river valley
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nerf SU-152 damage or make it reload very long its too op

real bison
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@river valley it has no pen with AP, very inaccurate, low shell velocity, if you get caught out by one it’s your fault

river valley
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yes but 900 HE dmg it can one hit kill a tier VI

azure raft
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Where to post requests??? I want wargaming to change quest system because its RNG trash right now

nimble zodiac
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@river valley yeah, ignore the KV-2 with the same damage (equip-less) in the tier lower, or the Smasher that does the same thing xD

I find the AP penetration surprisingly sufficient @real bison , and shell velocity can be accounted for

mental pasture
unique scaffold
azure raft
dark pike
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have you tried pressing on the gamemode button and ticking off encounter in regular battles?

river valley
mental pasture
frail silo
azure raft
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Oh man I lived in a lie! You actually helped me

nocturne mauve
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How’s world of heavies blitz?

Wotb doesn’t exist anymore

ruby cloud
muted rampart
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@river valley kv 2 reloads 21 secs. Not 30. Su can fight T8, kv 2 can't. Also one shots are perfectly balanced in the game for me. All the tanks that can one shot (except smasher ._.) have other aspects that bad so it balances it out. For me it's even good for the game so you need to think 2 times before rushing like a bot into enemy.

real bison
# unique scaffold Ok u cant use dpm properly so use 183

DPM only matters in extended firefights, FYI most tier X HTs can just facehug the FV215b and win by just having a turret in a normal position.

Also if you allow yourself to be put in a situation where a british HT can dpm you, you don’t really know how to play do you?

remote oriole
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Rude

tribal moss
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I'll say this only once; British tanks are situational. They control where and how their enemies engage them. This is why they seem to be OP but believe me, it's not for the garbage player.

unique scaffold
real bison
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@unique scaffold ooh my leopard 1 has 3.6k dpm!!!!

does that mean it’s OP?

No.

tacit tiger
dark pike
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su 122-54

unique scaffold
real bison
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@unique scaffold leopard 1, a tier X medium tank with the highest DPM of any medium in the game. It has the 3rd best DPM in tier X.

noble quail
nocturne mauve
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What tank is he talking about

twin fulcrum
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Watch out guys 400 alpha on a heavy tank is overpowered

full token
# unique scaffold but it's leotard - light tank

There’s two Leopards. One is a tier 5, one is a tier X. If someone talks about a Leopard with 3.5k dpm, would they mean the tier 5 or the tier 6? Even if they don’t mention the DPM, the Tier X Leopard is more often the one referred to by ‘Leopard’ as tier 5s don’t matter as much as tier Xs for anyone that’s reached tier X and is talking about tier X balance

unique scaffold
nocturne mauve
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Which one is the other one then

full token
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Leo PTA I guess. But it’s still much more likely to be the tier X that has 3.6k dpm 🤷‍♂️

remote oriole
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Tier seven Swedish medium Leo: 😦

VK 16.02 Leopard (nicknamed “tier five Leo” or “VK 16”)
Leo (nicknamed “Swedish Leo” or “Leo”)
Leopard PT A (nicknamed “Leo PT A” or “PT A”)
Leopard 1 (nicknamed “Leo” or “Leo 1”)

dreamy oar
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He’s Leo I’m Leo who else is Leo

winged barn
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Standard B (Italian leo or stb)

(I wish)

remote oriole
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Well, the Standard B was the second prototype for the German MBT program that resulted in the Leopard 1

crystal halo
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Standard B is just Leo PT B

low cliff
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oh no i'm not sitting out in the open constantly firing at another guy that's also sitting out in the open oh no i don't know how to use dpm oh no i must be terrible at the game and i have no idea why british tanks are op which they clearly are because i don't know how to use dpm

versed tide
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I just played 13 105 yesterday on pc and was wondering what you guys would think about if they added it to wotb

sinful leaf
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It would be nice if it simply replaced bat chat with bat chat becoming a medium and sacrificing a little mobility and movement camo(maybe also getting 350 alpha) @versed tide

unique scaffold
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maybe you should play is-7 instead of op and skill requied tanks like British X tier

versed tide
sinful leaf
low cliff
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op
skilled required
i am now 90% sure he's either delusional or just doing a really bad at trolling

blissful vigil
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Skilled required tanks comes with benefits not every easy to play tanks have. That's just how it works

dreamy oak
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Tanks may have different skill ceiling where an avg player would not perform really good in an FV4202 but a superunicum would use the hesh ammunition to it's maximum and therefore making it slightly op to have heavy alpha with med reload

nimble zodiac
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FV4005 = skill-based, change my mind

@tribal moss top speed is the same as T-62A ._.

||and the IS-7||

tribal moss
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@unique scaffold honestly idk what you're on about but British tanks need a buff instead of a nerf.
4202 has a mediocre top speed at 50km/h
Vickers doesn't need one, in fact it got nerfed
4005 idk if it needs one, it does well
183 still being the death star
215b is decent in some situations

I see no reason to play the IS-7 over these tanks just because they're skill based. Stop calling someone else a bad player, maybe it's you who's bad getting clapped by these tanks.

\ / I quite agree

low cliff
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@tribal moss if you look at their message history i have a strong feeling they're just doing a really bad job at trolling

unique scaffold
nimble zodiac
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@unique scaffold I massacre everyone with SU-152

It's an invalid argument

tribal moss
# unique scaffold I massaccre everyone with British tanks they are too op

Everyone can commit massacres with any tank, most notably T7 crackpanzers.

Just because one tank has a high skill ceiling does not mean they're op, they're op in the right hands, but that applies to basically any medium IF. PLAYED. CORRECTLY. That's the reason why you'd hear these tanks can do amazing things IF. PLAYED. CORRECTLY.

So I'm hoping I made this point clear enough for your dull mind, good day.

The Black Prince exists to roflstomp the crackpanzers, it's fits the T7 meta fine.

low cliff
unique scaffold
fallow eagle
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If you're playing british tanks like russians,you're doing it wrong

nimble zodiac
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Yes, speak from experience on probably the most OP british tank tier for tier, a BP

tacit tiger
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Is ur highest tier British tank is the BP you can't say they're op

nocturne mauve
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BP and T29 broken

lone warren
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Please stop getting baited by tr4p

tribal moss
crystal halo
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British as a tree is pretty balanced

unique scaffold
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Vindicator buffed to 125mm of spaced armour on the shovel when

nimble zodiac
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People start actually shooting that when

orchid grove
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@nimble zodiac I shoot the shovel mostly nowadays, it’s easier than going for the hatch

crystal halo
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Shovel is ez pen despite looking 100 mm thick lmao

nimble zodiac
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AH just shoot low, of course

@unique scaffold afaik he's right :p

unique scaffold
full token
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So with every new Gen of Egirl, they get bad at the trollling. I guess the Egirl_Gen6 can be discovered when they ask for nerfs to the T28

muted rampart
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Or buffing smasher

versed tide
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smh t28 so op pls nerf it has too much armor the speed it too much pls nerf 100% not baiting aslo pls buff smasher it's so bad

sinful leaf
muted rampart
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Ye. I agree

full token
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You do get those

distant river
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Getting kills is how you win games so it's worth rewarding, and getting aces is supposed to be hard...

turbid smelt
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damage hogging isn't the way to win

@azure raft take out tracks of enemy tanks, you get half the xp for damage dealt or kill, that is true strat to xp farms, it is more affecting than damage hogging and kill stealing
and you are also being more useful in taking out enemy tank, so moral stats also get boost

hearty steeple
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I prefer the term kill securing. A tank at 1hp deals as much damage as a full hp tank, I don't mind my team securing kills unless i am at like 6 kills and in the running for ras

drowsy plaza
latent snow
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The is3 is the most average tank I have ever played

nimble zodiac
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@latent snow Chi-To be da average

weary ice
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The e75 need a turret speed increase

distant river
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The E75 needs anything that isn't a buff...

full token
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He wants to buff the E75 because it’s not good at everything

drowsy plaza
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The E75 is probably the best tier 9 heavy in game at the moment. The RU relative lack of Prammo shooting makes the Mäuschen and Emil 2 look good

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But that’s not the same meta in NA or EU

distant river
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K91 is a contender (and IS8 but it's basically a med) but I'd put the E75 as one of the best 3 tier 9 heavies without a doubt

sudden path
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Sti, e75, and k91 are all pretty much interchangeable for top heavy at tier 9, tanks like the is8, conq, and m103 are definitely a notch lower

distant river
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ST-I is too slow to be effective usually, and even when it is in the fight it's not actually that useful. It's gun is decent but not that amazing and it's armour won't hold up for too long. The IS8 has got mobility and it's fantastic gun to use so it's much more flexible

nimble zodiac
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IS-8 is more of a medium than T-54, change my mind

winged barn
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The stI armor is really good. It can sidescrape and hull down against tier 10s. Sure its slow, but it's not gonna die easily, allowing it to work its solidly preforming gun.

sudden path
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Plus 8 degrees of gd
Its armor holds up to most guns at its tier and at least in terms of mobility it has a 40 kph top speed(which it rarely reaches) but the gun is good enough with great pen. its sides are also pretty troll

nimble zodiac
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Hehe me overmatch sidescraping ST-I

If not I’ll normalize into it

muted rampart
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50 TP is just ST1 after mobility buff and more alpha

nimble zodiac
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50 TP is not as much of a hardshell, just some dense angles at play

jagged crescent
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Did anyone notice that Honey Matchmaking still hasn't been fixed yet?

muted rampart
jagged crescent
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I'm talking about a mechanic, not about teams u silly goose

dense walrus
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http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/110860-no-more-honeymoons/page__pid__1738009#entry1738009

World of Tanks Blitz official forum
No more "Honeymoons"?? - General Discussion

No more "Honeymoons"?? - posted in General Discussion: The last three tanks I have recently bought did not have a honeymoon period (which used to be the first 4 or 5 battles?) and i was low tier right out of the gate.. and I am wondering if WarGaming in their vodka fueled minds infinite wisdom decided to do away with them?

hazy nova
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@jagged crescent I have seen the same thing. Uptiered the first game in a new tank.

jagged crescent
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cmon wg fix it faster smh

dense walrus
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impossible to grind smh P2W game WG fix

winged barn
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stock centurion

wheat mantle
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Hay is it possible that I could maybe prank my friend.

minor minnow
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It is perfectly possible but it depends on the prank

tacit pivot
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i have absolutely no clue why but I do so freaking well in my t34-1, the chinese tier 7 med, 78 percent wr in it and 1.9k average damage. And I'm not even a good player, only like 51 percent wr

minor minnow
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It’s a good tank imo, it has the alpha of most heavies on a medium chassis with a good turret

ember thunder
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buff wz 111 5a premium ammo to 340

wraith trail
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buff Y5 ELC bis premium round alpha to 140
now it's just 120
tanks like Comet and M41 bulldog have 135 alpha for premium rounds

sinful leaf
ember thunder
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we ned it

gib it PC stats

thick rover
sudden path
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No
5a is a premium is7 clone and should be balanced as such
Its heat with calibrated shells is enough to be fine at tier 10

winged barn
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Worst prammo on a heavy. Change the heat to apcr and I would be happy

thick rover
unique scaffold
ember thunder
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i will when they sell a better tier 10@unique scaffold

old oriole
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someone has been making training room titled "jumper and shooter" but he only intended to kill everyone who join the room, this is really bad if you ever play training room. His name is Jonny_sensyachou and server is Asia

chrome sun
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can someone tell me how the action x is op, yes the gun is nice but the reverse speed + people loading prammo really bring it down

nimble zodiac
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It’s not. Period.

crystal halo
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It’s an amazing tank, not always op

unique scaffold
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There are a lot of tanks that people call op when it isn't

chrome sun
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i do get some amazing games in it but if they just buffed that big space between the 2 armor plates on the turret that would be nice

unique scaffold
full token
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WG wont do anything about people breaking made up rules for a TR

coarse harness
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Imagine breaking the boys and girls TR rules

noble quail
ember thunder
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IMAGINE talking about rooms in this channel in the first place

nocturne mauve
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I wish those were deleted

sudden granite
latent snow
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Can we just remove rng

latent snow
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i low rolled 3 times in a row and lost a 1v1 :"u

muted rampart
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No we can't. If you want to delete rng, go play realistic mode

hollow timber
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Dude @latent snow listen, here RNG controls everything and WG are it's worshipper. So, if u want to play a game without RNG, don't play WG games. It's simple

+or u can wait for realistic mode for non-RNG battle

wintry peak
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buff IS 7

remote oriole
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Before the nerf the Grille 15 was clearly op because it was as fast as mediums with comparable dpm, but almost double the alpha. Reversing that nerf will only make it op again.

I think the Grille 15 is an extremely high skill floor tank, but once one figured its playstyle out it works incredibly well, suggesting a high skill ceiling. Buffing such tanks is always difficult because any buff could allow players who master the tank to completely dominate any battle. The average stats being below average is normal for such a tank, which WG tried to soften a bit by buffing the strengths eve more without removing the balancing weaknesses, because they know this tank would unleash hell upon the game once one of the substantial weaknesses gets removed.

I think the Grille is in a fine spot right now, but if the stats shoud be made at least average I would rather recommend the approach WG took rather than your very drastic one. I believe the weaknesses are very necessary and that the only way to improve the tank is to make it stronger at what it already excels at

fallen coral
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I've just unlock Patton M46 after Pershing. I was pleased with Pershing which is a good tank as med espcially in hulldown. I'm very disappointed by Patton M46 which on the contrary of Pershing is really an unbalanced tank. It's really a bad tank : no armor on turret when US tanks are however renown for their amored mantlet. Mobility average and gun which lacks of pen. This tank has to be buffed as it sucks, even against tier 8. So vs t9 and even more t10, this tank is poop duck. Clearly the worst and by far tier 9 i've in my garage. So please, WG, buff this tank by at least increasing armor of the turret's mantlet.

sinful leaf
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You don't say, the American medium line has been underpowered for ages(aside from recent tier 10 buffs).

turbid smelt
# remote oriole Before the nerf the Grille 15 was clearly op because it was as fast as mediums w...

grille's unnecessary gun angles at least should be improved
4° depression on front, then it drops to 6° and then it drops 8° at very edge with no smooth transition
this makes slight inconvenience on grille if you tracking a target and gun can no longer look down enough and now you have to turn your hull, then bam high gun coefficients make your bloom over twice as large

they should change 4° depression range to 6° so you get a very wide range of 6°depression but you can still use a smol part of gun arc with 8° depression

overall tank is good but high dispersion coefficients in pair with annoying angles at different part of gun arc makes this tank more of a masochist pleasure ride

waffle traktor panzer 4 had same issue but they smoothen it out

toxic nymph
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wait, what?
grill depresses 4 deg over the front, and 5 deg over the sides. where are you getting 6 and 8 from?

turbid smelt
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@toxic nymph go to training room take out a protractor and measure for yourself

nocturne mauve
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Grille should have the old values, heavy buffs yk

turbid smelt
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low camo values make grille fun and challenging to play
high dispersion coefficients is so it doesn't replace mediums
but unnecessary gun angles is just nuisance

distant river
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The grille isn't a normal tank to play

That doesn't mean it's bad and needs a buff...

autumn zodiac
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Camo...

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It needs some camo...

distant river
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It only needs camo if you want to sit at the back with it, and that just leads to static games which we don't want.

How it is now makes it adequate at range, but then also very nice when played agressively even if it is difficult. It's a tank that's meh if you play it in one playstyle, but then shines when you master playing it in a different one. It's hard to play but it's a brilliant tank.

autumn zodiac
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I don't find a hard to play tank brilliant, if you consider the playerbase, players in pursuit of the tank will be a liability about 85% of the time in it. You have to consider the general population in this

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It also comes from an entire line of lightly armored tanks who are supposed to rely on Camouflage and large alpha

distant river
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You have to consider what will happen to the skill ceiling when you buff it though, if you make it so that it's a good tank for most of the playerbase then because of its design it will be stupidly abusable to unicums, which leads to people crying and a nerf to what makes the tank unique and fun to play. Lots of lines change playstyles, but with this one you don't even have to change your playstyle. You can stay as a sniper but your performance will just be adequate, or you can challenge yourself and if you rise to the challenge you get a beautiful gem of a tank. It's a trade off of keeping it interesting and worth playing and keeping it accessible for anyone. We already have plenty of accessible tanks.

soft yacht
#

#RebalanceTier7

autumn zodiac
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A tank that requires a bunch of set-up and scenarios to go correct doesn't make a tank balanced

azure raft
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How is average player supposed to complete Mastery 1 or higher daily quests??? that basically compares you with other players how is that balanced quest...

lunar niche
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Grille is as fast as medium until it has to turn lol.

It used be OP when tanks were a lot slower than it is today.

Give its old mobility back and remove the awkward gun angles.

distant river
# autumn zodiac A tank that requires a bunch of set-up and scenarios to go correct doesn't make ...

Good players can set up the scenarios that it needs to work brilliantly fine, and when it isn't in those scenarios it's just meh. If you make it good outside of those scenarios, then you will also buff it's performance in those scenarios making it much more adaptable and performing even better in its roles. It's skill ceiling is high already, it doesn't need to be made higher. And like I said if you adjust the ceiling to be lower to balance it out you will just end up taking away everything that makes the grille special.

muted rampart
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I don't think There is other td able to go 60 km/h at tier 10 that have turret, no armor and high Alpha gun. It still will be Special.

dense yoke
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Doesn't grille always/mostly low roll or something?

full token
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That’s random right? Just a feeling that it low rolls?

distant river
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@muted rampart It only goes at 50, and there is:
4005 with speed boost
Sheri with worse gun but better everything else basically
268 with much better armour and pen for the 4hp/t it loses

And that's assuming that you don't nerf anything on the grille once you buffed whatever you need to make it good for average players, which will inevitably happen when good players abuse the hell out of it.

It's fine how it is, as a mediocre tank for most players. You should know what WG are like with delicate touches to tanks and you are basically asking for them to screw it up. Just leave it alone and as a tank that is balanced.

twilit crystal
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I'd rather not buff the grille too much. Its a fairly popular tank already. The player base likes speed and big damage

regal grove
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still waiting for grille to go to 60 km/h again
it was never broken when it did anyways

sudden path
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I'd rather have 3200 dpm grille with actual camo

muted rampart
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What lol? Grille already has 3.6k dpm

dense yoke
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I think he wants to nerf grille dpm and give it good camo 🤔
@unique scaffold ayo speak English and mods will be upset because of you're complaining about balance in #tank-balance-discussion

gleaming apexBOT
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thick rover
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How about we reverse DPM buff and bring in the camo or gun dep buff :>

nimble zodiac
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But Grille holds highest HE DPM in tier 10 :(

toxic nymph
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Yes, because HE DPM is by far the most important measure of a tank's effectiveness.

low cliff
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but it's fun in burning games

minor minnow
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It’s fun in any games as long as you have paper in front of you

thick rover
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LOL.. also anyone thinks M46 is a rather good tank that doesn't need any buffs / minimal buffs :>

sinful leaf
gray knot
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M46 lmao, it started to be a popular tank suddenly, the armors pretty troll if the rng joked to u, guns a t9 gun, speed pretty fast, that's all, supportive tank

queen summit
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can we add a balance to teams, THEY SUCK
in against PNCR every game with no one on my team of any skill (4 games in a row)
just had a 7-0 boring game to follow it up (two zeros on my team too)

dense walrus
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MM is rigged

sinful leaf
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@dense walrus you jest, but then there are some people who go as far as to claim that a legal patent is evidence of MM being rigged.
(Which in theory is a good idea but is flawed in reality, just because someone has a patent doesn't mean they use it for all applications)[Furthermore I find it a bit difficult to find such a patent but considering that no other comparable MMO PvP game has similar matchmaking it does suggest WG has such a patent, but this is irrelevant anyways.]

queen summit
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but i mean, there are major bugs every update, and bugs all the time. like tank slides in mad games. so i hate to do it but until WG steps it up it stays.

thick rover
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@sinful leaf yeah but it has gun depression and relatively good DPM, and no I'm not alone I'm sure I've seen at least another person who agreed

Also if you look at the stats it's doing ok no?

sinful leaf
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I did say it's better than PT A, by a good margin and it's not terrible at least just lacking

unique scaffold
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hello

weary scaffold
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Foch155 buff 💩

thick rover
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Wat buff r u looking at 😋 @weary scaffold

gray knot
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@thick rover completely impenetrable copula

weary scaffold
noble quail
# fallen coral I've just unlock Patton M46 after Pershing. I was pleased with Pershing which is...

It's a decent tank, kinda needs a buff a bit on the penetration. It's not a horrible tank, the dpm is 3k which is decent compared to the other mediums that have 2.9k dpm.

Play it like the T20 and Pershing

I want a turret armour buff or atleast a penetration buff on the M46. But on #devs-answers it's wr is good compared to the other T9 mediums, probably because not a lot of players play it compared to the other tanks. And I kind of agree with the stats, since I've been playing the M46 more. It doesn't need any big buffs, just small buffs.

sinful leaf
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Load nuclear ammunition into IS-7 that it can't use and it will win 7/10 matches automatically, easiest way to buff IS-7.

nimble zodiac
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Can’t use?

latent snow
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duh just so ammoracking it is even easier

indigo knot
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Can JagE100 get E3 consumables....
E3 was the highest WR TD and still got them
Could Jag get the same treatment it would be kinda playable to good in the HT meta

sharp laurel
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^^^^ i would like some love for the Jag

lunar niche
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I would prefer if the super consumables were to be removed entirely.

turbid smelt
# lunar niche I would prefer if the super consumables were to be removed entirely.

nahhh, it only gives 56*/s traverse on e5, pretty easy to counter in meds and it is not like that tank's power to weight ratio increases or anything allowing it to attain positions before even getting spotted/ taking hits or anything

it also makes anni so balanced, before speed consumable use you couldn't circle it because it has so high traverse values on turret and hull, with use of speed consumables you won't even outrun it, perfectly balanced, working as intended.

it is not like anni is like much better chi ri, with armor, smoller profile, quicker burst damage, more dpm, higher burst damage, better mobility and very fair and balanced consumables or anything
once again, working as intended, completely balanced.

it is also also not like chimera's one competitor (t 34 3) whose mobility is slightly better, I mean it ''excels'' at it, can be completely negated by this consumable allowing a much superior tank like chimera to clap these tanks or anything.

bleak furnace
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WG,I have an idea to improve game mechanics.To improve some underpowered tanks you can give extra two consumables slot and give them special consumable like engine powerboost, reactive armour,etc especially implement this feature in T95E6

boreal crag
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heavys HP buff is out of hand by now
Mauses dont even care if im looking at them with a 183
I met this guy with a E5, he didnt even try to hide his lower plate. Not only he has the ridiculos HP buff, but he also has the Reactive armor, wich resulted in my 183 giving him only 675 dmg. He didnt even try to hide his lower plate, he just sat there and spammed reactive armor. The fact that tours develop into heavys spam just proves more that this buff was a mistake. The idea sure was there, but the execution? not so much
Most people will just say "Shut up noob get good and learn to aim its just more HP to farm" and to those people i have 1 question: Did you pay WG 10000€ to be constantly matched against noobs? Because yes sure this game is plagued with them, but you arent going to meet ez grind noobs for ever, wich basically means that yes its more HP to farm, but its also more HP to keep players who know what they are doing more alive in the battlefield, forget a couple of mistakes, etc
Most people would just say "Just buff the TDs pen and alpha then", well do you really want every single TD in game to get an alpha dmg buff JUST to deal with the heavys? It would be really unfair for LTs and Meds to fight off those TDs

sudden granite
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They should atleast nerf heavy speed and get outta here with them consumables
Whats the point of playin a patton with 1908 hp whilst the e5 with better armour/speedboost/reactive armor/ 2.5k hp does the same job but better

nocturne mauve
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Why are they still not reverted

boreal crag
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@sudden granite Double maus, with the equips they get like 6.3k HP or smh
What we really need is just the intier HP buff removed
But im pretty sure WG will say no, since they probably arent going to nerf those premium heavys

sudden granite
boreal crag
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Heavys are suposed to have armor and big guns, not much for speed
When they are fast they are suposed to be paper
Suposed to be. Annihi noises

The most annoying thing about all of this, is that nowadays there are a lot of low lifeforms who camp in heavys, wait for their team to die, and then rush out and farm kolobanovs
Its annoying

@unique scaffold Wdym?
Theres no such thing as Russian Bias in blitz. War Thunder? Sure. Blitz has a lot of OP/Broken tanks. Rn WG seems focused in giving the brits as many broken/OP premium hulldown tanks as they can (AX, Mk I def, Cent 5/1)
But the tanks that are REALLY broken are on the hybrid nation. Smasher, Annihi, etc

unique scaffold
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Please nerf russia op tanks

sudden granite
turbid smelt
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^
@boreal crag
mk1 has paper hull and to do 190 * 4 damage you have sit for 6s and aim every 4 shells
that tank doesn't automatically do 760hp damage after reload, it is has intra reload of 2s between each shot

it can't easily relocate either, tank is big and does 46kmph

how is a tank op? when you can easily counter in most situations and it only works in few
it isn't like anni, which does 630 damage in 0.66s with decent enough hull where you have to aim for weakspot

mark 1 lacks armor profile, dpm and burst damage in comparison to a lower tier heavy tank

i am not saying mark 1 is bad, but it isn't nowhere near op

boreal crag
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AX is just OP. Mk I and Cent 5/1 are broken, because they have turrets that bounce off pretty much everything, only a few tanks can easely slice threw, cent 5/1 has that troll front plate, Mk I def has a clip that gives out 800 dmg full, both with good pen guns. At the same time if anything bad happens they can relocate easely
@turbid smelt True, ofc it takes some aiming but then again you cant say a tank isnt broken just because you need to aim with it. If so Annihi is so bad because it loves to miss shells. Secondly sure the hull is paper, but this game has a LOT of hulldown spots, so its fairly easy to abuse it in hulldown
Its broken, but its not the worlds most broken tank ever. Requires basic hulldown knowlage. But if you just know hulldown and the good spots in the map, you should be fine

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess bob_world#0664 has been warned.

queen summit
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so asking for a balance of mm, doesnt go in the balance discussion channel....
v rude much?

drowsy plaza
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Get good

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No good player wants that

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Random battle composition is part of the draw to the game.

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As for rude, perhaps try reading the rules here.

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess bob_world#0664 was muted

full token
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Will we get the stats for the current update this week?

turbid smelt
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no
we don't need to know anni is performing better than tier 9 tds

full token
turbid smelt
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xd

remote oriole
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WG won’t even give us all the tier eight to nine stats. And the “only over 1% of battles” rather seems like a cheap excuse than the truth

full token
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Yep. I don’t believe that some of the tier 8 premiums that they leave out really are below that 1%. I’d rather have them put the % of battles in the bar for each tank, and then include every single tank, so even if it’s played less, we can see that, and know that the stats may not be too accurate or comparable.
Also, why don’t we get the stats from EU, NA and Asia? Ik RU is the larger server but clearly there’s a difference in the players on each server. It’d be better if they could just put out the info for all the servers, because the players on this discord server are more of EU, NA and Asia than RU, as they also have a separate RU discord server. And they still give us RU stats...
Hard to even use those stats for any discussion on this server because RU players using less prammo makes that much of a difference. And itd be better to see how the tanks perform on the server that we actually play on, rather than stats accumulated from players who most likely aren’t even taking part in the discussions on this server

sudden path
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Just a reminder that ru made the emil 2 look op when it was the worst tank on the swedish branch and it wasn't particularly close

neat steeple
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Annihilator is op, bad players have avg 1800 on it NERF IT pls

versed tide
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I saw a person with 200 battles in it and he only has 1k and has a 2.2k avg dmg and 70% wr

crystal halo
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Dumb re roll account

bitter river
neat steeple
turbid smelt
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just nerf traverse of turret and track
you still get a strong tier 7 but now others can outplay you

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess Canadian Man#9894 was muted

drowsy plaza
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Remove the super speed consumable from the Annihilator and at least it can’t get some places before Meds

muted rampart
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And nerf traverse so you can actually somehow outplay it if you have some skill.

full token
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Remove all the special consumables and then balance tanks the normal way

fallen coral
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Smashers and aniihilators are breaking tier 7. Players are complaining about and it's relayed by youtubers like meadsy, pantoufle and others. And this is even more broken when there are 2 of these tanks in the same team. So it could be a good idea to restrict matchmaking of annihilators and smashers so there can be only one of these tanks allowed per team. So it implies that no platoon of them are allowed.

nocturne mauve
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No they aren’t

full slate
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Annihilator is breaking tier 7 because too much People have the annihilator.

latent snow
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they will never remove the special consumable because it has an animation when the consumable is activated

full token
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I kinda hate that we let them add consumables to all these tanks in the game. That first survey after the first set of tanks received the consumables, I wish we could’ve just voted for the consumables to be removed... but too many voted in favor of them :/

remote oriole
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The poll was about nation specific consumables - not ridiculously op and overpriced consumables

No player is to blame for this failure

muted rampart
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+1

full token
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Lazy way to balance tanks, by just giving them a consumable rather than giving a buff to the stats. Results in these op premiums too.
And at first I thought the idea was to give every single tank some special consumable. But they put out the consumables quite slowly, like just one line at a time. Now it’s just been reduced to a balancing method rather than trying to give every tank some consumable that’s only available for that nation...

nimble zodiac
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What do you think of FV4005 with the consumables?

low cliff
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I get some of the consumable choices at first. 215b line was kind of lacking when it comes to tier 10 heavies. Then WG just starts tacking them onto random tanks

scarlet fjord
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i think 4005 is one of the few tanks if not the only tier 10 that deserves those consumables

nocturne mauve
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Only that one deserves them

scarlet fjord
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i dont understand why they gave them to E5 and E3 they were already strong enough and giving a tank the ability to be stronger than anyone for 20 seconds is a crappy way of balancing a tank

coarse harness
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Well idk about you but I don't even use these consumables on the 113 TD
Only sandbag but the tank is still mediocre

muted rampart
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113 td has only faster aiming which is uselles

south beacon
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tbh löwe is fine, it has a pretty good gun with trollish armour that bounces most tier 7s and some 8s. it’s a tad bit slow but it’s something to expect from a ht. pretty reliable tank, pretty good for new players.

sinful leaf
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They already nerfed the accuracy harshly before

crystal halo
winged barn
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Laser gun vs an alpha shotgun. Both have their uses

turbid smelt
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uses laser gun up close and alpha gun near red line
to confuse enemies and make them waste time when they start typing mean stuff
just so you can /tp above them
-guy with too much time to think of evil

nimble zodiac
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Lowe is a very dynamic playing tank, dynamic as in it can fills frontline, secondline, and even snipe if needbe

jagged crescent
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id say frontline, sitting almost 2k hp at the back is just a waste

nimble zodiac
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I said it can, not should, but it still serves it all well with such an S-Tier gun

deep shadow
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I just bought the IS-7 and it is a really strong tank. Haven't been armor-racked yet. However, I think the hull armor and turret armor should be buffed just 15 mm and 5 mm more respectively. Why? While playing hull down, I wiggled my turret left, right, up, and down and drove back and forth. Yet, I still got pen 5 times in the sides of the gun mantlet by an IS-4, a Jg roo, and an OBJ268.

tacit tiger
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2 are tds and prammo exists

deep shadow
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True, but it was not point-blank range and consistently being pen twice by an IS 4 in the turret is not logical

hardy hazel
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Bro, IS4 doesnt care about armor when it loads pramo

scarlet fjord
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@deep shadow thats cuz they have close to 400 HEAT
yeah and IS-4 has 374 mm it ignores a lot of armor with that BS round
what really makes me question wargaming is why an IS-4 a side scraper and a frontlining heavy that can wiggle out in the open etc etc has a significantly better turret than IS-7 which is a hull down tank wargaming really needs to just buff IS-7 turret make its cheeks only pennable right next to the gun small weakspots thats what i think and maybe nerf IS-4 turret

past cove
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When will the Panzer IIJ not have to face Tier IV’s anymore? What I don’t get is why should the Panzer IIJ have to face a tier that has SEVERAL vehicles that have guns that are more than capable of penetrating its 80mm of armor? I don’t find this fair for those who have this tank. Be reminded, Wargaming, that this tank is to have fun and bounce shots in, which is really the only good attribute considering the fact that it’s gun is worthless against Tier IV’s for the most part unless you fire complete premium ammunition. I am saying this because you keep having this Tier III tank against Tier IV’s, of which probably about 75-80% of which can and will go through the front armor without gold ammunition. Think about this, Wargaming. Please. Older players from the start like me are getting fed up with this ignorance to this fact. Just saying.

nocturne mauve
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Stop seal clubbing

coarse harness
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He doesn't find it fair that people pen him😢

unique scaffold
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Older players from the start moved upto high tier years ago lol

muted rampart
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@past cove I agree you mostly meet t4, but this tank is stupidly broken and it can easy hold even T4 if you have some skill and prammo, but i'm not playing it much, so i don't really Care tho

tribal moss
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Increase 4202's top speed to 60km/h, 50 isn't impressive.

frail silo
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and then you have a better leo1

scarlet fjord
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na leopard accelerates faster than lights but 60 km/h is too much for FV
thats not what the tank suffers from
mainly the fact that the HESH removes its HEAT still makes it too unreliable for ppl to play if it isnt purely for fun
maybe if they make its standard AP instead of APCR and keep its 255 pen on top of mobility buff

distant river
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It's gun and upper plate are impressive already, it doesn't need anything more except a different meta to play in. It does worst against heavies and best against meds so when the meta changes it will go back to being strong. It's also another high skill ceiling tank so any buff needs to be very careful thinking about the upper end of the playerbase

remote oriole
scarlet fjord
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true but its just an inferior gun to all the meds
or rather the tank feels inferior is what i should say

unique scaffold
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@loud valve

full token
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FV with heat gun has no advantage over other tanks. The HESH is the only advantage it gets

scarlet fjord
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exactly

drowsy plaza
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thicker upper plate - decently troll turret face - useful APCR pen on the HESH gun, and HESH!!! -- plus it's 900x better than it was when it was 40kph...

upper cove
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when will these dumbs ban anni- smasher platoons ?
These things already makes tier 7 unplayable and when they are in a platoon its makes the game disgusting.
When will DUMB wg find a solution for these things ?

dense yoke
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Wouldn't it be nice if Wargaming bans platoon with the same kind of tanks?
I mean in T5 it's hard to fight against a platoon that consists of 2 Bdr/T1 heavy .
In T7 it becomes very hard to fight Double smashers or Annihilator.
Same with Emil 1, T110E5, etc. 😞

odd oar
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Are there any Devs that take tank ideas I have a really cool one I’d like to suggest I’ve been planning and working on this tank for a while and it’s a IX tank I made art and a clay replica of the art

tacit tiger
upper cove
dense yoke
# tacit tiger Then they can do annihilator/smasher, t1/bdr etc. Also it's fun to be in a Plat ...

It is fun for the drivers of the tank. I mean dominating a game is fun. (kinda) But from my perspective, it is really not fun to face off against Emil 1 platoon. They tend to stay near each other, they fight together, they support each other, when in danger. They are one.
Same goes with Annihilator, T110E5, BDR, T1 heavy, Smasher etc.
Reminds me of this quote:
"Prepare for trouble"
"and make it double"

latent snow
full token
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Rather they nerf the tanks than to not allow people to use the same tank in platoons

scarlet fjord
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why did wargaming nerf the foch 155's first gun along with the auto loader that gun was average at best i dont get it

jovial kernel
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Nerf the smasher and annihilator. For smasher- the hesh shot and alpha dmg is just too op. For annihilator- 3 rounds for a total of 640 dmg is also op

crystal halo
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Smasher doesn’t have HESH, it has normal HE with 85mm of pen

muted rampart
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Annihilator should get more reload and worse traverse. Everything that smasher needs to be nerfed is the bloom after moving etc.

austere citrus
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@jovial kernel it's actually 630

jovial kernel
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Yea whatever 10 off lol

stiff edge
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for 10 less damage you get more overall module damage done

zinc fossil
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The problem is they made Annihilator a premium and not a collector vehicle, so they can hide behind that technicality and keep it as is, no matter how many people want it brought in line with the current balance

full token
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Collectors are just premiums you can sell for gold, atleast at higher tiers..

ionic kraken
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Here's a balance suggestion for ye: BUFF THE HP OF ALL TIER 8 TDS!!!
Like jesus christ, as soon as you get spotted by some random Yolo moron, everyone starts targeting you like some sort of bingo prize at a shooting range game and you just die in 2-3 HITS. Camo ratings are also pointless if you keep getting maps WITH NOWHERE TO PROPERLY HIDE AND SNIPE. Say ISU or WZ-111-1G FT gets on a map where they can't camp, cuz there are no good spots, or the spots are blocked by brainless jerks in heavies or mediums, pretending to be TDs. Or another scenario, the map is small and to fight the enemy, you gotta get closer. But what happens when you try to get closer in an armorless slowly moving TD? You get spotted! You're spotted? You die in a few shells. I can go on and on about these things being so pathetically brittle. Even in ,,well armored" tier 8 TDs, like the WZ-120-1G or Ho Ri T I or T28, anyone with half a braincell will immediately switch to gold ammo and your armor becomes redundant. They definitely need more HP to survive more than 2 shots. TDs like the AT15, Ferdinand, JgdTiger 8,8 have armor AND HP to last. The rest are sitting only 1k or 1,1k? Make all of them equal damn it.

nimble zodiac
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Use cover. Period.

autumn zodiac
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The tier 8 WZ-111 TD is actually really good, I only agree with the thoughts there on T28 and Ho-Ri Type 1

crystal halo
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130 mm go brrrrr

autumn zodiac
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ISU puts all it's points straight into the gun, and the armor is kinda troll while not being super slow.

RHM is paper with mobility, high camo, a turret and a huge gun.

WZ-120-FT has medium tank mobility, armor, and a fantastic gun

I see nothing wrong in the durability department with those

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The easiest solution is to nerf heavy tank guns

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The penetration and Damage on most are waaaayyy too high to keep most TDs relevant but that's true across almost every tier now

winged barn
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"bUt wE cAnT pOsSiBlY nUrf PrEmIuMs"
~weegee balancing department

soft yacht
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Is there anyone keeping chinese tier X TD at garage? :p

lone warren
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The T28 should have a HP pool closer to or the same as tank destroyers like the AT-15 or Ferdinand.
A bit odd that it sits with a 1150 standard HP pool, especially after the heavy tank HP buffs

ionic kraken
winged barn
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My view on balancing premiums:
If you aren't allowed to nerf them, then you sure as hell shouldn't be able to buff them either.

If you aren't even going to balance (more than half of the tanks in some tiers), why even bother trying to balance other half

It's not stated anywhere, yet they still manage to get away with refusing to nerf tanks.

I dunno, I have both smasher and anni, and I WANT both of them nerfed

Weegee is just digging themselves a deeper and deeper hole

soft yacht
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Buff Annihilator and Smasher for more balanced tier 7. And nerf all the tech tree tanks at t7 to make tier 7 even more balanced

full token
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Just nerf them often enough so it becomes normal to see a premium nerf. Then people will get tired of getting angry at premium nerfs and theyll just accept it lik many accept balance changes. Avoiding nerfs to the extent that they currently do, just leads to people buying op premiums because they believe WG will never nerf them, considering their current reluctance to nerf OP premiums. So once premiums getting nerfed is normal to see, people buy premiums for the uniqueness and less for the OPness

If people cant accept WG balancing the game to be less spam of OP premiums, i dont really mind them being gone...

winged barn
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While yes, it may be somewhat flourishing now, once balance gets broken to the point that people leave in mass numbers, its gonna be too late to fix their poor balancing decisions. A poorly balanced game will not last as long as a well balanced game. I'm not saying its gonna die tomorrow or anything, just that ita life is definitely shortened because of this.

full token
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People avoid weaker tanks because they see that there are stronger premiums to buy. If you nerf the OP premiums, you give them more reason to buy the other premiums, and WG can make more money off these other premiums

round latch
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Premium tanks already give elite xp more credits and most of the time they come maxed out I can't see a reason to buff premiums It's just WG that always wanted that more money

winged barn
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And yet I managed to pick up a pilot for 3,300 gold...

dense walrus
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Because NA has garbage content creators shockingly enough

regal grove
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y'all are playing mind games 10 years into the game's future when new introductions to strong premium tanks are just "money printer go brrrr"

sinful leaf
dense walrus
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it's like teaching the dumbest parrot ever, except the only thing you teach it is "Pilot bad"

iron violet
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Just wondering if the T-34-85 Victory got an engine nerf or something seems slow.

rare lake
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I wanted to just say, can we please get an armor buff on the amx ac 46? Like it's frontal armor can't even withstand ap shells from most t8's. There's also the fact that it's got that huge tumor at the top, like wow that thing is incredibly big and has hardly any armor. Just a suggestion😀.
Reply to #bringbacklowtiers
The whole box the size of 4 elephants is grey to most, if not all t8's. t6's don't even struggle against it using ap shells on the huge tumor it's got

iron violet
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The SU-122-54 needs a small armor boost just to bounce shots a little bit more often, or it needs a boost in its ability to reverse. Also i was face to face with a tank and i was using HEAT shells and it showed as i had full pen and i bounced 2 shots in a row.

crystal spoke
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Thats rng for you you can also get it where you can pen when the skin says its red

turbid smelt
north peak
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give Hellcat more ammo

real bison
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@north peak how much does it have again

north peak
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like 30 shells i think but that is a small amount

unique scaffold
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Nerf russia tanks

bitter river
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buff IS-7

iron violet
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@unique scaffold russian tanks already have the brunt end of the stick. Try using the SU-122-54 and tell me it needs to be nerfed

drowsy plaza
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Stick to balance discussion

bitter perch
unique scaffold
turbid smelt
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@unique scaffold I know it is a typo but I am evil so

they about Su 122 54 *

unique scaffold
full token
wheat mantle
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I’m so freaking mad at myself right now

winged barn
# bitter perch 225*30=6750 damage potential. I think that is enough.

Sure that great and all.
Until you want to carry some HE.
Or when you want to load gold.
It's very easy to shoot 5 or more HE shells when the opportunity arises, but they you are then down to 25 shells to split between ap and apcr.

A top tier heavy with 3 brain cells knows to turn armor towards incoming fire. Now you have to load the gold. Imma say worst case scenario its gonna be 10 APCR shells to take it down (bounces and misses will happen, and the cat has solid rate of fire)

Alright, 15 AP shots of AP left in my capacity. Oh wait, that's definitely not enough, time to dump some HE or APCR. Now you suddenly start running out of specific types of shells every match.

bitter perch
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why do need apcr in a hellcat, it has better pen than some tier 8 meds.

wheat mantle
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I accidentally bought the medium VK instead of the heavy VK

unique scaffold
sinful leaf
wheat mantle
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Idk

unique scaffold
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Leo pta needs a buff is some way or make the max modules a little bit cheaper cause stock leo is horrible

sinful leaf
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Leo PT A has been garbage for ages, good luck sufficiently buffing it to where it's not just a tier 9 leo 1 but also isn't garbage. @unique scaffold

jagged crescent
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Just give it like another degree of gun depression lol

remote oriole
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Leopard 1 at tier nine... I'm not even sure if that would be that op

sinful leaf
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Gun is still underwhelming compared to other mediums* because of accuracy and reload
@unique scaffold armor buff would be 100% useless when it comes to fast german mediums like this, safe to say that's immediately out of the window. Giving it better speed than Leo 1 is an option but you'd only have extra mobility which isn't really going to fix it being bad. In fairness, should just give an extra degree or two of gun depression and improve accuracy and/or reload.

unique scaffold
coarse harness
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Nah
Just give it at least 8° gun dep
6° on a paper med is sucks

jagged crescent
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8 degrees is mandatory

unique scaffold
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Need a nerf annihilator armor is too strong DPM is too much this tank is destroying level 7 Playing level 7 is now too boring

verbal thistle
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We don't nerf OP prems/collectors here
Back to tech tree tanks you go

scarlet fjord
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Annihilator is a premium tank Wargaming have a policy not to nerf premiums

unique scaffold
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No they don't.

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Show me this "policy" in writing.

scarlet fjord
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i heard like 3 youtubers confirm it either they're lying or idk lol

sudden granite
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They used to say we don’t touch premiums. It said that in the ‘premium tank perks’ ingame too
Fun fact if you check those perks it ain’t there anymore xdddd
But the chances of them touching prems will be pretty low since a lot of kids will cry

toxic nymph
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its one of those things that we repeat so often that it becomes true
now if wg nerfs a prem there will be outrage from both sides

winged barn
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I'm still waiting for weegee to actually balance THEIR game.

coarse harness
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Annihilator was an even reward
People got a lot of stuff for 10$ so they shouldn't really cry about a nerf honestly

full token
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WG introduced collectors saying theyll nerf them if unbalanced, like they meant that theyll be more ready to nerf collector tanks than premiums. Collector tanks now are the same as premiums. You just can sell them for gold...

verbal thistle
scarlet fjord
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i dont mind OP tanks too much but Annihilator literally breaks tiers 6 and 7 to those poor tiers it feels like a tier 9 tank

long jewel
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Yap that's true But did you know that the annihilator alpha damage is almost the same as the KV-2 armor piercing shell, which is between 600 and 700, but of course the annihilator has better performance than the KV-2. has T1 Heavy armor speed like a medium tank and damage almost like KV-2 and SU-152, but who would complain? P2W player will always be on top

nimble zodiac
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@long jewel Yup, it's 630 vs 640

But to be fair the speed is still heavy like

Ah right

agile hedge
unique scaffold
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The clip is still fairly too high for the caliber it is

scarlet fjord
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it has that dumb op speed boost @nimble zodiac
the only realistic problem i see with it is that broken DPM 2700 with 630 alpha that is so completely broken not even tier 10's heavy tanks can do that

crystal halo
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If you ever think wg can’t nerf prems, just remember what they did to the type 59 when it first came out

low cliff
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except you take a look at annihilator stats and realize that, even with the amount of players it has, it has a higher average damage than tier 8 heavy tanks

long jewel
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You're right, maybe if there are too many complaints about op-prems they will hear it soon, because they don't want to lose they players because basically this game is free to play so everyone can play but not everyone can feel it maximally if they keep facing players who have better equipment and in the end they leave the game and look for new games that are similar, I almost left this game because I'm tired of fighting players who have better equipment than me, but WG always gives interesting events even they give free player tanks by trying in the game.

WG tries to be fair even though it is sometimes difficult to accept

full token
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Can we get a #farewell-to-op-premiums channel by the end of this year?

long jewel
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If they hear us, i think yes

unique scaffold
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They did and it got abused

long jewel
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Is it almost similar to an auction but the ones that bid are the players and the minimum and maximum prices are set by the players themselves, but are you sure? Could there be a troll player selling useless items at unreasonable prices? I've faced auctions many times whether it's in-game or real life and of course we all know that the auction has some weaknesses.

Not everyone can accept the price

remote oriole
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We had a gift shop and apparently many people started begging (and it was also somewhat bugged) so WG removed it

drowsy plaza
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@scarlet fjord WG has the right to alter any digital good for balance -- they generally try not to do that to premiums due to backlash - but the EULA and TOS do give them the right to do that. Anyone saying that "they can't" hasn't read the EULA, or Blitz Terms of Service.

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess Alex-MD#8184 has been warned.

sudden path
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It's easier to say they can't than accept that they wont

toxic nymph
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the only reason that wg doesn't nerf prems is due to backlash
i don't think they've ever said that the don't nerf prems, it's just that the community repeated it so much that it was accepted as true

drowsy plaza
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@crystal halo the Type 59 nerf was before it was sold -- it was given out to some players and had +/-2 MM, when it was sold, it was announced it was getting a DPM nerf and a change to Pref MM -- no one who bought it had it subsequently nerfed (other than losing Pref MM)

crystal halo
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Didn’t it also have insane armour? Or did they nerf that before it came out too

I’m pretty sure it had almost T-54 levels of hull armour

I’m on mobile so it doesn’t work @drowsy plaza

drowsy plaza
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It has never had an armor nerf

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the turret face is still very tough

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the sides of the turret have always been like a T-54 and a walking ammo rack...

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TankEatingTiger nicely did an update by update change log.

sudden path
# toxic nymph the only reason that wg doesn't nerf prems is due to backlash i don't think they...

Sorry to hurt anybody who plays mid tiers, but the fact of the matter is that wg does not care about anything below tier 8, and quite honestly, I don't really think they care about tier 8 balance compared to tier 10 balancing. If you play tier 6 and 7 it's your own fault, wg has consitantly made it clear that tier 7 is the p2w, fantasy tank tier for people to dump money in. If you dont like that, play tier 8 or above. Anni doesnt stand up to a good tier 8.
Wg has also nerfed the amx m4 54 when it was clearly broken in test, so they made it more balanced. No tank in tier 10 is broken, and that's because wg only cares about that tiers balancing.
This channel has become an anni and smasher nerf request channel, and I'm tired.

crystal halo
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I still think the Vk 90 needs a cupola nerf

low cliff
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Its already pretty weak though

crystal halo
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No it really isn’t

runic coyote
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Vk is pretty strong but ok

autumn zodiac
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Not at all weak

toxic nymph
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this little orange strip is the only part that non-td's can standard pen

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nimble zodiac
low cliff
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I'm guessing someone either got godly RNG or something because i remember getting shot in the cupola and set on fire

plucky pumice
dense yoke
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@sudden path Did they nerf Amx m4 54 after releasing it in Christmas event?
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Vk90 sitting with best pen in tier 10 heavy. 275 pen on standard shell while being a heavy. Has very good armor, very good cupola, has very good sidecraping.
If VK90 Isn't fully OP than it is borderline op. @low cliff
I am not sure if it can go hulldown tho

sudden path
nimble zodiac
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@low cliff either it's terrible module placement (we have no idea where they are, armorinspector gives no info), or they shot big HE

dense yoke
# sudden path M4 54 was nerfed before Christmas event in test, because it was bonkers. Vk 90 ...

They adjusted M4 45 for its release date.
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Also, you calling 320 penetration bad? Are you out of your mind?
There are many tanks at tier 10 which have worse pen than VK90 at tier 10.
Mediums at tier 10 have worse penetration, but IS7 and 5A are heavies with a worse penetration. With cs or not.
They have 303 penetration on gold shells. It is doable. Many Unicum choose to run Gun rammer on IS7 and they simply state they get more average damage with GR. I choose to run CS on it because I like Alpha. Standard pen (cs) on IS7 is 273. Which is 1% worse than VK90. Its gold shell is 318 while VK90 has 320 with GR.
TL;DR: Stop calling VK90 Gold pen bad, because it's not and there are many tanks in the same tier that have worse pen.
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rare sleet
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Also yeah They can nerf premium tanks, If you look at their terms of service technically they own your account and every item that you buy. You do not own anything, that have the ability to freely modify balance, nerf etc to any of the tanks in the game, i heard something about players trying to sue wargaming but that'll never actually work because every single player agrees to the tos

5.4 Ownership of Your Account. NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY HEREIN, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN YOUR ACCOUNT, AND THAT ALL RIGHTS IN AND TO YOUR ACCOUNT ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF WARGAMING. YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU HAVE NO CLAIM, RIGHT, TITLE, OWNERSHIP, OR OTHER PROPRIETARY INTEREST IN THE ADDITIONAL FEATURES (AS DEFINED BELOW) THAT YOU UNLOCK OR ACCUMULATE, REGARDLESS OF ANY CONSIDERATION OFFERED OR PAID IN EXCHANGE FOR SUCH ADDITIONAL FEATURES. FURTHERMORE, WARGAMING SHALL NOT BE LIABLE IN ANY MANNER FOR THE DESTRUCTION, DELETION, MODIFICATION, IMPAIRMENT, HACKING, OR ANY OTHER DAMAGE OR LOSS OF ANY KIND CAUSED TO THE GAME CONTENT OR ADDITIONAL FEATURES, INCLUDING THE DELETION OF GAME CONTENT OR ADDITIONAL FEATURES UPON THE TERMINATION OR EXPIRATION OF YOUR ACCOUNT.

nimble zodiac
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How did they let caps exist

jagged crescent
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too big word no read

dreamy oar
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Words no read

rare sleet
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That’s literally just copied and pasted

unique scaffold
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Level 7 turned into a dump because of the goddamn tanks you brought Most of the tree tanks are no longer able to do a job and all 8 levels are turning to dump please bring nerf to premium and collectors

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Please find a solution to this job, while you could play the IS tank in the past, it is now extremely difficult because if you are not an OP tank at level 7, I say again, you don't have a chance find a solution.

full token
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They’ve dug a hole for themselves. If they don’t make newer premiums as strong as the OP ones that already exist, they won’t sell much of the non OP premiums, like how the T2020 was bad at first and everyone advised not buying it. So if they want to sell many tanks, they’ll just have to keep making them good enough to compete with OP premiums. So tech tree tanks will be worse than them. And since they just do not want to nerf the op tanks even slightly, they’re just stuck with having to make op premiums...

mental pasture
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^

river valley
last shadow
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Too bad f2p players don't pay
So why would they care?

remote oriole
hardy hazel
nimble zodiac
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A high tier 5.5... Interesting

remote oriole
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I have been pleading for that as well

ruby cloud
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Some new consumables and equipments would be nice ngl

distant river
remote oriole
turbid smelt
unique scaffold
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dark magic

scarlet fjord
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will the Foch 155 be overcooked if wargaming buff the first gun not the auto loader gun just the 1st one to 750 alpha but same DPM at 2650 without rammer which is terrible DPM for a TD was thinking for the fun factor since its a 155 mm having more alpha than 152 makes sense right now it has less alpha than 152mm and cant run a rammer for some reason on a gun that isnt an auto loader xd

bitter perch
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155mm s do not do 750

nocturne mauve
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Revert heavies

safe rapids
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Buff standard gun on Foch 155 back to 640/550/960 damage

winged barn
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That would make too much sense

toxic nymph
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foch 155's single shot gun's reload is not that much shorter than the autoloader's interclip (12.7 vs 13.6 w/ cali), but their alpha is the same.
autoloader dpm is 3255, single shot dpm is 2650, if single shot had 640 it wouldld be 3027

rare sleet
turbid smelt
scarlet fjord
coarse harness
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Based on the 170mm Jageru gun with 800 alpha and 152mm guns with 560 alpha

If you want to see some logic you have to find other games

toxic nymph
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14.9-15.2cm do 560-640alpha
12cm does 400-420, 12.8-13cm does 460-530
they don't cross into the range of the class of shell above it

scarlet fjord
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we also have 120 mm's that do 400 and 123 mm that do 460 i dont see your logic
it doesnt have to be 750 it was just a random proposal

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I'm not the one who brought up 155's cant do 750 lol

anyway foch is an amazing tank no need for buffs ofc but this isnt technically a buff its giving it a 2nd gun as an option idk exactly what the alpha should be i guess the devs know best but idk why they nerfed its 1st gun under 640 and removed its gun rammer switched it with vents it was a meh gun to begin with it was just average

coarse harness
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The 7.1 sec intraclip reload with 640 alpha was reasonable but with 560 it's too much imo
It should be like 5 sec with increased clip reload

scarlet fjord
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well i dont know wont that be too good?
i mean imo its the best TD as is depending on ppls play style ofc

toxic nymph
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the reason it was nerfed from 640 to 560 was because that's 1280 alpha in 7 seconds, which could cripple a T10 heavy (this was before the heavy hp buff)

scarlet fjord
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and the fact that u can kill a grille in 7 seconds with HE

toxic nymph
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the reason why the single shot gun's alpha was nerfed was because the autoloader was op
i don't like it either, which is why i want the single shot alpha to be 640. i'm saying that the alpha was nerfed for both guns at the same time, when only the autoloader should have been nerfed

scarlet fjord
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the 1 shot gun was average at best they nerfed the alpha on it DPM and replaced gun rammer with vents they are treating it like the auto loader was treated

dense yoke
last shadow
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The single shot is like a stock gun.
Think of it like the old 122 on the is4.

scarlet fjord
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its literally a very bad gun right now when you do think about it
i think they should increase the alpha to more than 640 as its a 155 mm gun and for the fun factor

last shadow
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That is...literally how stock guns are (most of the time)
Bad

crystal halo
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The autoloader on the Foch reminds me of how the heavier defenders guns work

sudden path
mental pasture
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E100 and Bat Chat 25t left the chat

scarlet delta
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How about investing the whole Money in more stable Servers instead developing stupidly overpowered fantasy tanks?

nimble zodiac
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Servers are fine to me 🤔

last shadow
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What is the problem with grinding 40k (if I remember it right) exp? That is like nothing for something that makes the foch155 so much better

sinful leaf
jagged crescent
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ooh new clan tag

crystal halo
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Wg’s servers are better than WT’s hamster run servers

elder flame
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Fair

river ledge
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Grille really doesn't work on such small maps with such low camo rating

past cove
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And we would think that after almost seven years, Wargaming would care about the balance of their game. Yeah, I don’t think so.

river ledge
past cove
# river ledge I just wanna be able to actually snipe without getting spotted cross map by a re...

You and me both. I am a big TD and heavy player. But my biggest thing is how spotting works. How when you are shooting from the opaque bush, which means you shouldn’t get spotted, and you do. Especially when you look at how most tank destroyers - not all of them - they don’t have turrets. And when you have to shoot and every time you get spotted, it gets damn annoying. I swear to god, if this is still a problem in like three months, I swear they better add the ELC STEVEN 90. SBN will strike when the time comes.

unique scaffold
past cove
unique scaffold
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Yes sometimes I am spoted in a td with camo bonus by a heavy which I haven't spot

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Took a quick look at your messages and i can already tell somethings off about you dunno why you thinking boasting about being an original kv2 player is worth something to write about lol

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sudden granite
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There you go with your kv2
It shouldn’t pen a tigers front dude wtf

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nocturne mauve
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No it shouldn’t have more pen, I remember when the whole KV-2 fanboy community moaned about it being nerfed because they won’t be able to one shot as much, this tank is just broken. If it one shots tier for tier then it’s like an FV 215b 183 doing 2k damage per hit

unique scaffold
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Let’s not stray off topic too much I mainly took that screenshot since the dude was whining about the camo system

upper cove
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WG please nerf that annihilator already please, i beg you please

north jetty
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they have a policy not to nerf prems
but it does need one

full token
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no they dont have such a policy

remote oriole
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Not officially, at least

upper cove
minor minnow
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I mainly think they don’t nerf them as often because people payed money for them, but then again I could be way off

full token
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its because they wont sell much if not op

polar stag
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They dont nerf premiums cuz if they sell a tank for being OP and then they nerf, the people who bought the tank will feel scammed and lesser people will buy from them cuz then they wont be reliable.

unique scaffold
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Kv2 don't need to pen a tiger1 on face, if you shot on the hull front on right side you will fire them with HE

twin warren
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It’s also a legal issue because you paid for the tank in a certain condition they can’t really change it. You essentially contracted for certain parameters of a tank, if they change it the contract could be void.

I do believe they can nerf collector tanks.

mental pasture
twin warren
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Do they have a history of nerfing not buffing a premium?

mental pasture
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They actually did nerf premiums before, directly like Type 59 and indirectly when they nerfed the HE pen of 130-152mm cannons when you get certain equipements (SU-100Y is included on 130mm)

toxic nymph
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is that equal to or greater than equal to?
because the ingame description says this
but the ingame description has been wrong before too
so idk

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mental pasture
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  • Confused noises *
nimble zodiac
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Should be greater than

I should run tests ;)

scarlet fjord
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can we pls buff IS-7 slightly and for the love of god remove E5 consumables and nerf IS-4 turret
imo all IS-7 needs is a turret as good as IS-4's one right now 2 very small weak spots which u need gold to pen idk why IS-7 has a weaker turret than the IS-4 when the IS-7 is the hull down heavy and IS-4 is the sidescraper

mental pasture
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I agree in all of those claims even if it'll affect my beloved E5...

nimble zodiac
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I'd just prefer more damaging capabilities for the IS-7

scarlet fjord
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you mean like 490 alpha?

turbid smelt
uneven narwhal
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IS-7 IRL was supposed to rekt everything and everyone in the war as it had everything
Armour, Speed, Gun
IS-7 in blitz is just meh nowadays

scarlet fjord
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@turbid smelt i dont mind that even tho it needs removing i never been HE'd there and i got like idk 1600 games in the thing

distant river
turbid smelt
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too bad is7 had 3 major issues, it was complex, too heavy and very expensive (worth 5 t54/55s)
Soviets decided to stop is7 project due to these factors that there was no point of having currently completely unbeatable tank which is too hard to transport, expensive in terms of time and resources, and not simple to repair.

nimble zodiac
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@turbid smelt yup, IS-7 is tier 2 bait xD

golden kestrel
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Yeah, I'd say St-1, the tier 9 version of is4 is better than is7 and that too not tier to tier🤣#WGPLSBUFFIS-7

scarlet fjord
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not even close to good as IS-7 but ok lol

dreamy oar
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Only thing I wanna see buff for is 7 is pen increase and damage increase

golden kestrel
# scarlet fjord not even close to good as IS-7 but ok lol

Bruh, St:1 Has way better penetration, both in standard and prammo,
Way better gun depression -8v-6
Cannot be Ammoracked so easily, lol🤣
It has got way more side armor and what not
It only lacks in the mobility, and not many other aspects

winged barn
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St1 is far slower than an is7. That's a fairly major difference. Is7 is more of a medium killer, while the st is a straight up heavy brawler. Very different roles

scarlet fjord
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its standard pen is the same in fact less its too slow for the meta its strong in tier 9 as it has a tier 10 armor profile but its too slow for the meta IS-7 feels so much faster and better

scarlet fjord
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318 with normalization is like 330 HEAT give or take a few mm's so its almost the same only u dont struggle to pen tracks and spaced armor but u ricochet at less steep angles
i dont really personally need more gold pen it would be a nice thing to have cuz i can run gun rammer instead of CS if they buff that i guess but isn't it unfair that the IS-4 has a significantly better turret than a hull down heavy like an IS-7 even tho IS-4 is a sidescraper

remote oriole
jagged crescent
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comparing them to the performance of their world war counterparts is useless anyways.

dense yoke
lone warren
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Ngl IS-7 with 8 degrees of gun depression would be overkill

crystal halo
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The gun would clip through the hull

winged barn
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Don't mind the breech

unique scaffold
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@dense yoke it didn’t do though it’s semi auto loaded a loader is still present to assist with the gun

plush scroll
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I think that WG needs to get rid of the nerf to the sheridan when it still had missles, becusse those were only there to dampen the OP ability of the missles

dreamy oar
scarlet fjord
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u can buff the turret to the point where itss like an IS-4 turret or buff the alpha which i would want the most or buff the pen to 320 or smt anything really

midnight fable
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Less dispersion is what it needs. Pen isnt great, but pen doesnt matter if you cant hit the broad side of a tog if you were in one.

rapid citrus
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the pen of the is4 is fine, its just the armour. jsyk the is4 shares the same gun as the is8 and ST1 and no one complains bout that. the is4s armour is ridiculously strong. they should either nerf the hull side armour or the hull front. the turret sides should also be reduced a little

full token
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340 heat pen is a lot for heavies to get

nimble zodiac
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Until normalization kicks in

Boom, APCR meta

lunar niche
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That 160mm side armour on IS4 is bonkers.

turbid smelt
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su 100y is well balanced tank

hollow timber
turbid smelt
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xd
anti annihilator level of balance, i see

hollow timber
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Ikr lmao 😂

Oof rip my 10m

manic swan
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Buff all of the old premiums, they no longer fit in this game, you keep churning out more and more op tanks that surpass the older ones in almost every single way

latent snow
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or you could just nerf the new ones

scarlet fjord
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and stop selling ridiculous ones that break the meta

unique scaffold
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Does someone know how to contact a dev? Or to send a petition to wargaming?
(I want to send a petition to wargaming to buff the penetration and aiming time of the T 49.)

Many people will agree to do so if made a poll in blitz

mental pasture
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Which gun of T49? The derp? Nah. The pew pew one? Ok, np

Also, many people agree with a lot of senseless things. This "but a lot of people agree" argument is a fallacy.

full token
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T49 has low pen because it’s a light tank with a powerful HE round with the mobility to get behind or beside tanks, in a tier where sides can be penned with the heat, and the front for some tanks, and many tanks can be penned in the rear with the HE

dense yoke
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i would love if T49 Derp gun got HEAT replaced with APCR.

mental pasture
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HEAT is only useful if it have more pen than a normal shell, otherwise, it's horrible

unique scaffold
full token
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with how close you get, you dont need to aim that much. And send a pic of it failing to pen the sides of heavies

mental pasture
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Can't pen the sides of most heavies? I checked in armor inspector and big most of heavies don't have even 140mm of side armor

Your problem is the ammo type, not the penetration. HEAT penetration decrease a lot after hitting spaced armor but even with this disvantage you can pen most of the heavy tank sides easily

7 secs aim time isn't a problem either, you got speed to approach and run, be smart and use this speed instead of play range

@I WANT TO HESH THEM#7783

unique scaffold
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Nvm I don't want to argue more. I just hope there will be a buff to it in future update

sinful leaf
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T49 doesn't need a buff for what it is lol
Your "penetration" problem comes from the current heavy meta in WoTB. Don't blame the tank's derp gun if you can't position yourself properly and be patient

scarlet fjord
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T49 felt amazing when i played it last but to be fair back then the armor profile of like a million tanks was weaker

unique scaffold
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Run CS and flank in your T49.

autumn zodiac
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Also just going for module damage with HE in T49 when you can't get a good shot is recommended

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You can Generally get a high 300-high 400 damage splash if you fire underneath tanks

nimble zodiac
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Hit where it'll splash the deck ._.

Is it really? A good hit on the bottom of the turret will work nicely

autumn zodiac
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That's a much harder shot

scarlet fjord
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ur toxic to tanks with no armor even tanks like Leopard PTAs just get rid of the meds first and when ur done roll up behind a heavy at 60 km /h HEAT/HE them and accelerate outta there before he can even turn his camera around

autumn zodiac
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It's toxic to have low pen and hardly any DPM while having no armor either?

nimble zodiac
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Toxic as in deadly ._.

autumn zodiac
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Lethal is generally the word used when deadly is intended

nimble zodiac
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Horray English with the accident of synonyms

autumn zodiac
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I mean when talking about games, toxic is no different than saying extremely annoying

scarlet fjord
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so T49 isnt extremely annoying xd?

cedar pasture
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how about an update to the quick commands section

bitter perch
long jewel
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Quick command by adding some specific commands and interactive voice will be very cool and more realistic but idk, thats my opinion

mental pasture
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It's really a cool idea, but we all are already called as noobs, cowards and idiots in the game chat, being called as thise words in a voice chat is too much

Voice chat in platoons is a better idea, but welp, discord exists for a reason

crystal spoke
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Id be happy with a simple button saying fall back/ retreat

hearty steeple
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Yes. WoT pc has that. I would love being able to send it to particular individual tanks as well

unique scaffold
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They still have not even replaced the reload command either albeit you can say the reload icon on the team display is there but it’s off by default

unique scaffold
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See.
Not just this tank, if u face any Russian heavy, like the obj 252 or IS 3/6/8 , u can't pen.
These are pretty common tanks

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low cliff
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Because you're firing HEAT at spaced armor and tracks.
The way HEAT shells work is that if they hit external armor, their penetration decreases with distance.

sinful leaf
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^

mental pasture
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You are complaining about the wrong thing
You are right that 152mm is a low penetration, but it's not innefective. Always try to aim for the primary armor, if you can't, then use HE because 300-400 damage is better than 0. @I WANT TO HESH THEM#7783

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@unique scaffold

unique scaffold
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He’s also running rammer aswell if the 100.Ps sides are barely angled t49 will not pen the lower track area is an automatic no penetration zone but then again he has buff T92 penetration in his name so 💀

full token
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He doesn’t even aim. I usually pen the sides of the VK100 but I have to aim a bit higher than where he keeps aiming

unique scaffold
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#buff T34 T8 merican hivi tonk,,, needs DPM buff yep, needs hull armour coz of Tiger 2s yep...

thick rover
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:((

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Of course an impenetrable turret won't be a problem, additional consumables also don't pose a problem being weak :>

full token
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The pen is fine for me. Always some weakspot, or you can just switch to prammo and pen

latent snow
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tank is slow
use the speed boost consumable
paper cupola
It’s tiny, and 200mm effective... if it’s really bothering you then I suggest going hulldown / just wiggling or moving you turret

frail silo
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big paper cupola... you serious?

coarse harness
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The pen would be fine with decent dispersion but that's also trash lol

distant river
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The hull armour is also decent against low pen tier 8s and tier 7s btw

distant river
latent snow
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Its more flexible than the mutant and t34

drowsy plaza
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Don’t sit still

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Just jockey back and forth on an angle.

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It’s not an easy pen then.

versed tide
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Guys t32 for the amazing armor and super consumables sacrifices a bit on the gun. For it you get super speed boost, a non existent cupola and impenetrable turret, reactive, and sandbags which get you over 2k hp.

coarse harness
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The only T8 I hate playing more than the mutant is the T-44-100

upper cove
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Army of muppet devs, nerf that annihilator for gods sake

distant river
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@muted rampart You personally disliking the tank does not mean it is a bad tank. The gun is average, and pretty much everything else about it is great. Stop trying to change the playstyle of a tank because it doesn't suit you.

winged barn
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A wall that can hold off an entire enemy team for a significant amount of time is far from useless. As long as you actually use it to take hits, it is very useful for your team. Just holding the enemies back gives your team time to kill them.

Sure, the gun may not be amazing, but it is definitely enough to do damage with. You can confidently peek a ridge with several enemies on the other side and come out just fine. This allows it to be able to constantly use its gun, unlike lighter armored heavies that have to be careful of incoming fire and can't fully use their dpm.

The shark is flat out broken. It should not be a baseline of comparison if that is what you are trying to do.

don't mind me waiting on slowmode

upper cove
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Army of muppet devs, nerf that annihilator for gods sake

tribal moss
distant river
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It's farrrrrrr from being situational lol

I can't think of any maps where it can't be used well, the cupola sure isn't an easy hit on the flat when still let alone as soon as you start moving. Prammo and aiming your shots make it just fine, and it can survive being rushed fine as well, and rng affects every tank...

I don't particularly like it because I find it to be too boring to play, but I can still appreciate that it's a good tank

versed tide
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Are we going to talk about how small the cupola is and how you can’t really see it hull down. It’s meant to be the meat of your team and if you use it right you will very much help your team. Also if your cupola is a problem just wiggle it becomes nearly impossible to hit at that point. Then there is the problem that people don’t realize that sacrificing a bit on the gun for a impenetrable turret, super consumables, gun depression, and sand bags is fine.

winged barn
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Alpha is a fairly major thing that you want when it comes to heavy slugfests. It doesn't matter that you have dpm if literally everything outtrades you.

The armor profile on the 32 is also far better. The 26e5 armor is almost completely penetrable when it comes to high pen guns, and the cheeks are weak to mid pen guns. The t32 remains fairly strong even against overkill pen numbers. The hull armor on the 26 also far inferior, forcing the sheriff to have to hide the hull completely, while the 32 has less situationalness by being able to expose its hull.

Also, the t32 has a stupid hp pool, so even if it does take a hit from a bl10, it can go "lol, gimme another 3"

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versed tide
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Also let me say how hard it is to hit a tiny weak point in a heavy with poor dispersion. So saying the cupola ruins the turret is a very invalid argument. (Ps. you can wiggle the tank) I much prefer a med meta Bc it’s way more fun

nocturne mauve
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Heavy buffs have ruined the game for eternity and I doubt they’d revert because it means nerfing premiums which they often refuse to do

It was the worst meta change, what’s the point of the game anymore when a heavy push is unstoppable. Know how many watches were won/lost because of more heavies/higher tier heavies in a game? Tons. 99% of the time the heavies decide how the match will turn out

full token
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They’ll nerf premiums if they’re also nerfing other tanks. Theyve nerfed the M60’s pen before, when the mediums at tier X were all getting nerfs

turbid smelt
upper cove
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Army of muppet devs, nerf that annihilator for gods sake

winged barn
# full token They’ll nerf premiums if they’re also nerfing other tanks. Theyve nerfed the M60...

They don't count the tier 9-10 golden tanks as premiums. I believe "enriched vehicle" is what they prefer to refer to those as

I think remember the mk6 having its little not saying "we can adjust this tank's characteristics for balancing purposes"
Saddens me they don't add these comments anymore

Also, back to the t32:
It has trash dpm, but (I mention this earlier) the solid turret and gun depression allows it to FULLY use the dpm that it does have. This gives it an edge over something that has to carefully peek in order to not get obliterated.

Fully using meh dpm>rarely using amazing dpm

versed tide
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That doesn’t make the tank bad just not fitting your play style/meta so what’s your point in this argument

drowsy plaza
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@muted rampart very few of us have sympathy, as we played the T32 in +/-2 and saw E100 and IS-7’s totally impenetrable. You need to play any tank to it’s strengths and minimize the weaknesses. The T32’s major balancing factor is the gun pen.

turbid smelt
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boomers! lammeee

yea, the actual good days
Vvv

lone warren
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Real blitz players tooned an ms-1 with maus

mental pasture
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So you're a true old player? Pfff, then tell me the best gamemode of all times in blitz

You're wrong, the best of all gamemodes is Battle ducks

alpine tundra
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Default gamemode @mental pasture

distant river
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🦆 🦆 🦆

@muted rampart You are still back to "I would rather" rather than looking at the tank objectively...

reef cloak
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T32 is fine he need nothing u just have to know how to play it

scarlet fjord
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T32 is good tank doesnt it have op speed boost to fix its mobility problem and -10 degrees of gun depression to kinda fix the penetration problem?
and if ur gonna say u want an extra repair kit the role of T32 is hull down so u wont get tracked often no need for an extra one

sudden path
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T32 in comp is a nice tank, t32 in pubs is not. In pubs, at least in my experience, which isn't indicative of anyone else's so take this with a grain of salt, but it just seems like the gun is trying to troll me, as with all american guns. It just was way to inconsistent to hit shots reliably with the atrocious accuracy plus bad pen. Also, while the t32 has great armor for ridgelines, it has bad armor for towns. It's just too map dependent to amplify its strengthe for pubs. However, just like the caernarvon, it's one buff away from being op. In comp, its role as a holding tank is really where the tank shines, moving into positions where its pain to deal with while the team moves around, like a kran. It's extremely team dependent, but it is the best at its role as a holding tank.
T54e2 is a t32 with actual gun handling and pen but with a bigger hatch and no consumables, it's very close to op

scarlet fjord
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the meta is very hull down oriented in my opinion anyway i dont believe your gonna struggle tbh its not GREAT but because nowadays wargaming made so many tanks OP what seems "average" appears underwhelming to people sometimes because they are comparing it to tanks like the Celestial or Tiger 2 etc etc
to be fair the T34 makes T32 kind of a joke to me though so i get your point

upper cove
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Army of muppet devs, nerf that annihilator for gods sake

versed tide
fallen coral
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As it's impossible to nerf premium tanks, when does WG limit the matchmaking of annihilators by not allowing 2 of them in same team ? 2 annis in the same team make the matchmaking very unfair. Another idea would be that if 2 annis are in a team, matchmaking put automacally 2 annis in the other team. Teams of 2 annis are nearly always winning.

nimble zodiac
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Eesh, tryna break platoons

scarlet fjord
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the state of tier 7 right now is
broken tanks are average 😄
tanks like helsing type 62 T-34-1 tanks that were broken or OP in the past are just "meta" now this is what wargaming did to tier 7 unfortunately for a quick buck

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess Warning logged for Arturkacz#8500. I couldn't DM them.

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess Arturkacz#8500 was muted

unique scaffold
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I vote Castilla out of the tourney map pool. It is so unbalanced on south spawn

versed tide
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Then ask them to rework it

turbid smelt
bitter perch
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castilla is fine, you just have to be smart.

toxic nymph
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tiebreakers?

gloomy gull
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Pls buff older premiums and tech tree tanks they deserve it.

Older being the premiums put in the game 2,3,4,5,6 years ago that have been powercrept and the tech tree tanks that have barely been touched and also powercrept by newer, better tanks

nimble zodiac
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Define “older” tho

versed tide
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I personally love castilla but

mental pasture
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@bitter perch yes, and being smart in Campstilla is do what you're supposed to do; camp

@gloomy gull nerfs are more interesting than buffs

Buffing by mistake a tank that doesn't needed will affect the whole tier
Nerfing by mistake a tank that doesn't needed will affect only 1 tank

The situation about the important tiers (low tiers aren't important at all) can only be resolved by nerfs

@upper cove the tiers that are so low that you research the whole tank without much effort. Tier 1 - 5 are tottaly not important.

Pfff, you can finish a tier 5 tank play only a few battles per day. If you're talking about the Seal clubbers then it's even less important, a guy with skill killing newbies? Hahaha

upper cove
versed tide
mental pasture
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Nowadays, those tiers are in a very good situation because the gameplay there don't have almost any variation. If someone do struggle at tier 5 or even less, this guy will make even worse in real good tiers.

Those unimportant tiers only exist for 3 things;
Seal clubbers happiness
Give newbies something to research
Collectors happiness

I see that the tier 6 - 8 are the most important for the newbie. If he/she got at this tier, means that the player spent at least some good effort (or money) on the game and he/she is actually interested. Also, in those tiers, it's when you'll see the biggest variation of roles.

hardy hazel
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well, lower tiers doesnt matter because if the did those would be the most balanced tiers in the game, leaving aside tier 10

scarlet fjord
noble oyster
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Collector tanks are OP. But Sheridan Missile isn't. Make the fuel, Speed and Range of ATGM's more so that it becomes equal to the other Tier X collectors. As it can only be played in games modes Players should have fun with ATGM's and those who oppose ATGM's shouldn't feel low cuz Game modes doesn't affect their stats.

sinful leaf
bitter river
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#BringBackATGMs for all modes pls WG

worthy basin
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there is no way to properly balance a mechanic that can be used to hit someone behind cover, or perfectly angled, etc

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I hate them enough in fun gamemodes already, but at least now they're not ruining normal games anymore

unique scaffold
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Both sides won anyways too it got removed from normal game modes and kept for special game modes even getting its own custom skin too

turbid smelt
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missile are my love
BRING em BACK
I need VIEWS pls
@Amaunet85#6770 i will stream snipe you in fun game modes >:\

dang it missile failed!
@Wg peeps, lend me atgms to stream snipe her in normal modes, pls for the VIEWWS

noble oyster
worthy basin
worthy basin
sinful leaf
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I could care less about ATGMs outside of main battle modes, why do you want it to get a buff/nerf? The literal point of the Sheridan Missile is to represent the 7.4 Sheridan to re-experience the time before ATGM removal. Is that not good enough?

turbid smelt
bitter river
worthy basin
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I can counter them

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but I'm 67%

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the average player is 48%

sinful leaf
worthy basin
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and will not likely be able to counter them

low cliff
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How do you effectively counter them though...

worthy basin
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not to mention the amount of times I've seen games be won by people landing missiles literally on top of people's heads, while staying out of range themselves

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and ^ that is exactly why I'm against the whole of them

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it gives a totally unfair advantage, when you're able to do that

unique scaffold
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And in the end nothing will change they won’t be coming back to normal game modes too lol

worthy basin
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thank goodness for that

turbid smelt
ruby cloud
# turbid smelt you either type mean comments at start to demoralize atgm users, so they become ...

Yeah with IS-7 it’s easy to counter them but what if you are in a TD like T110E4, WZ-113G-FT or in a other heavy with less mobility for example Maus ? Wiggle or what
@noble oyster I do understand how to counter them big brain but I’m talking about the the other Players, many struggles or just couldn’t counter them because they legit don’t know why > either they are new at the game or they are in a heavy/td Tank and have a bad mobility while their opponents T92 just go speedy, shoots, hits and run away and repeat that.

turbid smelt
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you catch it on gun or tracks or sharp angle
unlike some other lame person just sitting there complaining about atgm

@Amaunet85#6770 i will destroy an average player, that doesn't make me worthy of a nerf, so idea of booting atgm was not pog (atleast for my tiny brain)

noble oyster
worthy basin
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but that's exactly why I'm against the mechanic as a whole. You can't cater the game to just the unicorns out there, because they can counter things more easily

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a unicorn can also angle the Maus perfectly and make it very hard to pen it

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but at least it can't shoot you on top of your head halfway across the map behind cover

sinful leaf
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I don't get it, where does all the commotion that people who dislike the ATGM mechanic have literally no idea how to counter them come from to begin with? Sure, there are below average players but not everyone is a unicum that can consistently have near perfect armor angling, and that's not even including the situational awareness required to always know if a missile is coming at you, thanks to unpredictable attack angles.

nocturne mauve
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Why is there still talk about them? Don’t remind me of ratings T92 spam

turbid smelt
worthy basin
worthy basin
ruby cloud
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And if you reduce speed, then again nerf the speed of if it and nerf it completely down, what is then the sense of playing with atgm ? See none, so it’s good they are out of the regular battles
@worthy basin I have seen some of them... and I’m glad they haven’t released them like that

worthy basin
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The missiles used to be a lot faster, and that allowed for equally ridiculous shots. I've got plenty of gifs, but as they're from the testing period, I'm not allowed to share them here 😬

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and that's what these guys are suggesting/asking (the speed buff, I mean)

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I'll give a few examples of the 'legal to share' collection

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anything that can do any of that should never have been in the game to begin with

turbid smelt
# worthy basin thing is that adding or reducing speed has not had any/enough effect at all in r...

incorrect, more speed means larger turning radius, when speed was increased by 10ish% after first iteration
this type of shot became impossible, but increasing speed by x12 times will completely eliminate sharp parabolic turns atgms could pull off to hit roof or to reduce effectiveness of sloped armor, they will be at speed of some slow shells which wouldn't be enough to react to make any useful turn

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741227050844815392/741606106027130910/hehe_HD_720p-1.mp4
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741227050844815392/741606050221785139/lel_HD_720p.mp4

▶ Play video
▶ Play video
worthy basin
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as said, I've got plenty of examples showing they were equally as ridiculous when they were faster, but am not allowed to share those

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your 'solution' just makes them worse

sinful leaf
# worthy basin because that's their main argument against our being against, as you can't exact...

Definitely doesn't sound like arguing for ATGMs is easy to begin with given that there is no actual solid foundation of ATGM benefits outweighing the cons, simply because of the way it was implemented.
And if the core defense for ATGMs is "git gud" then the compass starts to point in a direction indicating that the mechanic wasn't good for the game to begin with. FV215b(183) has overwhelming HESH damage but at least it has to be physically exposed one way or another regardless of being spotted or not to take a shot at an enemy, as well as the fact there is zero dispersion involved with ATGM in reference to accuracy. Fun! :upside_down:

night halo
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I think the b1 shoud get a working front canon.

turbid smelt
# worthy basin your 'solution' just makes them worse

my solution is to change fuel bar with correction limit, in other words don't allow missiles to turn, say for example missiles are allowed to correct by 30°, if player corrects missile by that much, they completely lose control over missile and missile behaves like a generic shell flying straight into oblivion
along side this x12 times speed to eliminate shots like this
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to this
_-----_
if bot will claim this, i am going to be so mad

sinful leaf
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30°.
You realize the whole point of the ATGM mechanic was the guidance system right? Trying to balance that simply doesn't work for both sides, because you can't accurately reflect this part of the mechanic with statistics.
What I'm saying is that WG usually balances mechanics or tanks using statistics. They know it's possible to do damage from behind cover but putting a hard limit wouldn't make the ATGM mechanic still something unique or outstanding. What amaunet said, if you cannot reflect a part of a game mechanic in statistics and it is affecting gameplay, something is wrong.

turbid smelt
# sinful leaf 30°. You realize the whole point of the ATGM mechanic was the guidance system ri...

issue for players against atgms:
it hits me behind rock
it hits my roof
it reduces thickness of my chonk
i am lame and hate new stuff, which forces me think more than before

issue for atgm players:
they removed something cool

idk, to me it seems like increasing speed by stupid amount and limiting turning seems fair for both sides.
@ruby cloud you are a certified lame, be like amuanet at least she is diplomatically saying my idea sucks

I am somewhat of a evil myself

worthy basin
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but if you edit it enough for it to be actually balanced, which I still think is impossible, but for hypothetical reasons, let's say it can be - then it'd no longer be something cool

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so either way there's sides that lose

ruby cloud
worthy basin
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I had the ATGM, played it more than enough, before and after the nerfs, and enjoyed it because it was OP and quite evil. I'm still 100% against the mechanic because of what it can do in the game

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anyhow, we won't agree on this, and that's fine too 😂

sinful leaf
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ATGMs = fun = not fun = paradox
ATGM mechanic was also really nice imo just the way it was implemented was done poorly

turbid smelt
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can't wait to become mod and abuse my powers

(of no cooldown)

definitely not foreshadowing

i am getting flexed on, someone call mods... oh wait

worthy basin
remote oriole
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Wargaming already eliminated non-line of sight steering for ATGMs. But anyways,
ATGMs currently fly at a velocity of 75m/s. If you multiply that by 12 you get 900m/s which is slow but ok shell velocity. If you want to steer during that time period you have half a second of time for that if you shoot across half the map

I don’t like the idea of a HEAT shell with zero dispersion and only mediocre shell velocity to compensate for it

turbid smelt
eager sage
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Giving my near unwanted opinion. Should've just nerfed the camo rating when you fired the ATGM, after all it's a rocket, not a muzzle flash. Or at least have a headsup display. (This is copypasted from #785463726626308136, mods pls mercy)

sudden granite
eager sage
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Yeah, true.

swift cradle
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make the predator um model size a little smaller or give more gun derp should help it

unique scaffold
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I don’t understand why Castilla is a tiebreaker map sometimes. It is one side favored for north spawn. Rework it or remove it.

upper cove
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useless muppets nerf Annihilator for gods sake!!

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess abudiyom#7895 was muted

twilit crystal
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lol

vapid aspen
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f

versed tide
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I mean he was spamming the same message 30 times

noble oyster
worthy basin
mental pasture
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@unique scaffold nice alt account

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess NerfAnnihilator#0926 was banned

toxic nymph
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lmao

versed tide
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4.0 I think

nimble zodiac
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@muted rampart to be fair he had a reasonable suggestion, even without explanations

scarlet fjord
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nerf IS-4 turret significantly and nerf hit points to 2500 default

nocturne mauve
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Or just nerf heavies

scarlet fjord
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both

full token
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Define easily 🤔

hardy hazel
full token
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Fun doesn’t mean funny

west drum
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I feel like the Rhm should get a buff, the gun is pretty good but the maunuverability is worse than some heavies

fallen coral
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WG please arrange matchmaking for annihilators in order to prevent 2 of these in the same team if no or only one annihilator in the other team !!!! These tanks are real cancer when they are 2 and even more if they are in platoon. As 2 smashers don't bother me, 2 annis are real pleague and broke the game !

sudden granite
versed tide
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I agree is4 armor is fine as it's a heavy but the dpm and speed are too cracked

fallen coral
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Annihilator cannot be nerfed. It's a premium. Smasher could be . But i find easier to get rid of a smasher than an annihilator. Annihilator is more OP. Stronger armor, better gun and better mobility.

crystal halo
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It can be nerfed, they just won’t nerf it

distant river
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@fallen coral Premiums can, will, and have been nerfed...

ruby cloud
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^ True
Kpz-70 was one of them but... he got some buffs back.... not big ones.. but still yk.

karmic portal
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Is4 is fine, just make heavys have their old hp and everything will be fine

versed tide
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i mean I don't trust the guy with buff 252u in his name but

mental pasture
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Ngl, neither I @versed tide

karmic portal
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can they give the 140 10mm more frontal armor so its the same as it is on pc? About the is4, any slower and it will be trash, its not that op as you make it sound. It just has too much hp. And you want to nerf its dpm, like the is4 does not have high dpm so that makes no sense. It just has too much hp like all other heavys

runic coyote
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Maybe it has too much heat pen like E5

karmic portal
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not even the pen is an issue. Like what are you even penning that having 370mm heat pen vs say 360mm heat pen makes a difference

shadow thunder
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a

scarlet fjord
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@muted rampart turret is OP only tanks with this kind of accuracy can pen and u still cant even see the cheek imo the problem is the armor near the cheeks is broken its like 500-1000 either make the cheeks bigger or nerf the sides

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scarlet fjord
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ye they need to nerf it so u can actually pen a bigger weak spot
or just nerf mobility and hit points to 2400-2500

ruby rivet
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When did they balance the matchmaking system? Because it's so fking broken af

low cliff
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Never lmao

turbid smelt
full token
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They removed newbie MM. Caused teams to be worse in general, but you’ll find the noobs on both sides

remote oriole
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Newbie MM was more of a myth than anything confirmed anyways. It officially was in testing in two updates and in EU and RU only, after that there is no mention of it anymore in official sources (at least none that I could find)

ruby rivet
scarlet fjord
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i never felt the affects of that kind of matchmaking and in fact still see 33% players with more than 20k games probably afk grinding or something

soft lantern
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Ayo

ember thunder
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buff griille traverse when

karmic portal
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Pls give obj140 10mm more hull armor. Players will love you for this

pine zealot
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Give the American Mediums from tier 7, 8 , and 9 a slight buff. They are just too weak

deep shadow
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I think M103 needs a buff to the gun mantlet like T2020 and SuperConqueror as I was just penned in the mantlet by a STA-1. It is a pen. The smaller one is the STA. This happened several times too! Will upload more pictures

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remote oriole
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That’s an M103 and I’m pretty sure that the STA shot the cheek and not the mantlet. And even if he did and actually penetrated the shot it is extremely unlikely to hit that weakspot and really not an issue. By the way, hitmarks on the mantlet can sometimes show a pen even if the shot bounced because it’s spaced armour

deep shadow
lunar niche
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IS 4 needs that 160mm side armour nerfed, especially behind the front wheel.

deep shadow
remote oriole
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Yes, the cheeks are weak. This tank is not about armour though

Oddly enough to be honest, considering the rest of the line

unique scaffold
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Should note in that Screenshot of his Theres 3 tanks on the enemy team with powerful enough APCR to reliably pen the m103s cheeks the second image is straight up on the side of the gun housing lol

deep shadow
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again The first is a STA-1, the second is a Fv215b and T110E5, and the last one is an IS8. All of them snapped shot me with standard or heat which is not acceptable as M103's gun mantlet is spaced armor unlike the Germans

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distant river
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The E5 is a great tank. The M103 is a minorly downgraded version in the gun and mobility. You will not have an impenetrable turret with those stats.

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coarse harness
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The middle gun is pretty good too so the grind is not that painful