#tank-balance-discussion

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drowsy plaza
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$29 USD

fallow jewel
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It's usable, but I'm not sure why you're expecting good DPM from a derp gun.
@sinful leaf i mean anyway did i hear an armor buff to the sheridan or was that just hoax
Here's my suggestion :

  1. Make Annihilator's aiming time 2x worse & increase its reloading time to 18 sec

  2. Buff ARL V69

  3. Nerf Sweden tank's armor
    @turbid crow ah yes and also keep the smasher the same way :) that way the smasher will be the most OP again :)

Smasher was never cheap it was around £40 when it first came out I think? Thats a joke for a tier 7
@distant river also it was actually $25 when it first came out

turbid crow
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@sinful leaf i mean anyway did i hear an armor buff to the sheridan or was that just hoax
@turbid crow ah yes and also keep the smasher the same way 🙂 that way the smasher will be the most OP again :)
@fallow jewel Make smasher's reload 21 seconds instead of 14

scarlet fjord
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@unique scaffold sorry man but I have never seen Smasher being sold for cheap tbh
I'm 100% sure
but could be wrong
even if its sold for money
it 100% wasnt for 10$ lol
plus annihilator gets battle pass rewards

distant river
mental pasture
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@candid steeple son, that guy just asked if T92E1 could penetrate Tiger 2 and I answered

If you took this considerations by yourself even none has talked exactly about this, then the fault isn't mine

As you say "Do you guys even hear yourself?"

The important fact here is this;
All you need is a 270mm pen in HEAT, 255mm pen in APCR or a 245mm pen in AP if the Tiger 2 is angling

unique scaffold
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@scarlet fjord you see that is cheap on NA. It really wasn’t expensive at first

spark star
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grinding the Type 61

yes the gun is nice, just switched out GLD for Supercharged shells and boy I don't need to aim anymore for things to hit

but even with the camo net, there's really no denying that you can't hide the tank, its just too tall and too unarmoured to take hits which is a problem considering that I would like to survive more matches so I wouldn't pay more for repairs

seriously what the hell is WG thinking for not even buffing at the very least its gun mantlet, cupola or give it some camo rating so it could actually hide, the whole thing is a weakspot already and there's a gigantic tumour that will get hit because its the first thing that pops out a ridge

its still more or less the worst tier 9 for me

once I do get my STB-1, I'm selling this, no point in keeping it, its still too weak to serve any purpose outside of getting you to the STB-1

mental pasture
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People always says "Remove Mines for high tiers!", but anyone says "Hey Mines, you are ya feeling?"

mossy wraith
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Annihilator havnt been buffed. Time to buff it

muted rampart
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@mental pasture i really like mines on higher tiers idk, why people want to remove it

ornate warren
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wg didnt have to remove missiles; they could decrease the turn speed to prevent the extra gun depression when you use the rocket.

unique scaffold
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how is it fair when you use missiles against WW2 tanks?
wg just adds these tanks to gain money and pretty sure they got alot of money just from the camo of sheridan

mental pasture
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Well, nowadays I changed my mind a bit about this argument @unique scaffold

All the American, Chinese, Russian, pan European, British and French tier X are post war

Only Ho Ri and some german tier X are "really" (the " " is necessary because they aren't so real) from World War 2

delicate hearth
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Thier needs to be skill based match making in 7.5 , I am so sick and tired of the Nuub players with 40% win rate playing Tier 10 , they dont know how to play and should not be aloud to play anything higher than tier 4 , Nuubs need to stay out of their X , they will never learn how to play the game if they dont learn in lower tier based match making games first , Plz put a stop to this treachery And end the nuub match making in tier 10 for the love of god. 

meager spruce
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@delicate hearth 1st of all, look at pinned messages. 2nd of all, you definitely do not want skill based mm. 3rd, who are you to say who plays what

turbid smelt
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@delicate hearth you wouldn't be playing tier x
if that would be implemented
just learn to chill and play with your team, not against them, 1 vs 7 is already bit hard, there is absolutely no need to make it 1 vs 13.
New players are good source of damage or hit points for yourself.

winged barn
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Good players see noobs as food. The more noobs in a match, the more damage I can do. Noobs on my team don't steal my damage, and enemy noobs dont know how to counter me. 2 dumb teams=ez ace

fallow eagle
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Wg really needs to buff grille 15 camo or the mobility
Even a heavy poking over a ridgeline can spot it
Grille has worse camo then some mediums
183 doesn't have camo because it doesn't need to aim alot but grille doesn't have camo as well as the turn rate just allow meds and lights to farm it
Especially with so many newbies at t10,it makes grille really situational

sudden granite
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Wg really needs to buff grille 15 camo or the mobility
Even a heavy poking over a ridgeline can spot it
Grille has worse camo then some mediums
183 doesn't have camo because it doesn't need to aim alot but grille doesn't have camo as well as the turn rate just allow meds and lights to farm it
@fallow eagle what
183 doesn’t have to aim a lot?
Mate gimme some of what you smoking

turbid smelt
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@fallow eagle idk, tank is completely fine
came after 52 days break, did first game in grill 15 and ace
it is not super good but it is fine tank

it just take skills to play

📎 IMG_20201118_090142.jpg
sinful leaf
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Grille 15's awful camouflage values do not allow it to snipe on many maps without being at risk of bleeding hp, so you end up being forced to second-line or even frontline if you have skill. Not really practical for a TD that has bad hull traverse and paper for armor, but it works. All it's good at is farming damage from a closer range than a TD usually does.
Medium tanks exist and even when shooting behind a bush you can rely on not being spotted at 230m unless you hold your fire. Also, certain maps do not allow for you to snipe at 280m effectively because some are cramped corridors like Dynasties Pearl or Mines(which probably isn't a suitable map for high tier in general). I could name a good few maps where Grille can't snipe well in many places because of its bad camo. I don't choose to play it like a sniper to begin with, but this causes a lot of issues for your average player.

turbid smelt
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top grille 15 can just stay shooting and moving at 280m...
it can use gun at 260m completely fine

thick rover
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Rip Himmelsdorf corridor hhaha

turbid smelt
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@thick rover hp go brrrr

sudden path
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Still not buying grille till they buff the camo.

autumn zodiac
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Just so people can truly understand how bad the camo is on grille 15

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Some might argue that the grille 15 can simply fire behind a bush

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It either

A.) Fires in front of the bush losing all the camo rating from the bush upon firing

B.) Cannot fire in it's position due to the lack of gun depression and insane height of the vehicle 15 meters away from the bush

turbid smelt
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And most player's don't have the Camouflage crew skills maxed
@autumn zodiac you didn't had to paste this one Xd
grille doesn't need crew skills

lunar niche
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The gun angles and horrible hull traverse just kills it for me.

sinful leaf
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Scenario A happens to me so often to the point that I completely abandoned the use of bushes on Grille 15 unless I need to conceal myself without needing to fire. It's not worth bothering when you're going to be spotted across the map from the moment you fire, regardless of whether you use a bush or not. Grille would work much better if maps were bigger or a view range rework was done.
Of course, the easier option is to give a camo buff to Grille, but my playstyle doesn't fit using the camouflage to whatever advantage I can gain anyways.

nocturne mauve
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What’s the point of Emil 2, it’s so bad

sudden path
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Why buff the dpm to a leo 1 when you can fix the actual problem with the tank? A grille with a turret like the 4005 could hide behind a building and reset camo after each shot. since no fully traversable turret so its forced to camp
The grille is so situational, the 4005 is better in most of the grilles best situations like endgame
(Better alpha from the clip, spall liner makes he irrelevant, super speed consumable, and better camo even if it's a barn)

sinful leaf
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@sudden path Grille is usable with the semi traversable turret. The main problem comes from the awful hull traverse that makes it extremely vulnerable to flankers and sidehugging.

hardy hazel
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Oh no egirl is back
@muted rampart i told you, it smells like E-Girl V3.0

unique scaffold
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@olive hawk

sudden granite
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Buff grille 15 camo, or just rework whole spotting system which is really bad.
@muted rampart yup

dark pike
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imagine having equal camo to a superheavy td

storm dome
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WG should add Indian tanks in wotb. if not world of tanks blitz, then they should at least add Indian ships in World of Warships Blitz. India doesn't have that large tank army but it is the 2nd or 3rd largest navy in asia i think, with ships such as INS Vikrant, Mysore etc. Btw Mysore is there in world of warships pc as a commonwealth ship. Its desc also states it was transferred over to india

Your dp scares me😬

nocturne mauve
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No

candid steeple
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If you ask me WT and Grille 15 got overstated guns. Way too much dpm and so accurate even though WT has a derp gun. I don't want those things buffed. People spam WT. I wonder why. Grille is fine tank. Good that its not too good. Way to much mobility.

full token
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Grille too much mobility 😂. Not that it’s a slow tank, but it’s only good for speed in a straight line

muted rampart
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It had 60 kmph back in The day if i remember correctly, but WG nerfed it

scarlet fjord
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@unique scaffold its expensive for some countries and its much more than 10$
its literally twice the price or more
you said its the same

real bison
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@storm dome name any Indian tanks from 1933-1960

turbid smelt
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@storm dome what should they add?

lucid plover
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The problem with the Grille is that the WT is pretty much better in every way. Honestly, what might allow the Grille to come into it's own is a big camo buff and a decent pen buff. The pen buff I'm not sure on, but it would help out the Grille significantly as a TD.

real bison
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pen buff makes sense, longer gun, more velocity, more velocity, better penetrative capabilities

winged barn
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Play it like a med and you have no camo issues. Giving it gun depression and a better traverse would help it to actually be able to tear apart meds with alpha.

No camo buffs that make people say "i Am tD sO i mUsT cAmP"

Ah, give it half the hp pool of another certain tank. Great plan

Ngl, the only tank that I actually use camo while shooting for is the leopard 1

muted rampart
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@winged barn nah because it doesn t have mobility and armor to be played as a med. It deifnetly can be played frontline, but definetly not like a med. I think it should get a Little bit better traverse and camo for bringing back old dpm and lowering hp pool to 1600 because it won t be needed as much with better camo

turbid smelt
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me who turns on range finder to specifically play at far enough calculated distance to not get spotted because I am a grille 👀
@winged barn

sinful leaf
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Even if you don't camp in Grille camo is so bad that you might as well forget even using bushes unless you're not going to fire. Also the only problem with playing Grille like a med is it's awful hull traverse and horrible movement dispersion values. It's usable if you peek in a "sidescraping" manner, but that is risky playing it second line or even frontline.
You're telling me the turret is tiny? It's so tall that it takes a few meters for you to get line of sight with your gun over ridges while the enemy has a solid second to shoot your turret forehead with HE.
Also, there's a reason why you use camo on Leo 1 instead of Grille, because it's a kind of sniper and scout. It has better camo than Grille, if that doesn't say something idk what will.

winged barn
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Ifyou have gun depression though, you could peek a ridge with the tiny turret. And if people feel the need to shoot HE, the grilles "armor" is actually quite good on that tiny turret.

unique scaffold
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@scarlet fjord I said like $15 not a huge difference. 5-10 bucks isn’t the end of the world. Especially when you are comparing it to the price now with crates

mental pasture
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Coff coff the price of the dollar here on Brazil is multiplied by 5,50 coff coff coff

sudden granite
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Coff coff the price of the dollar here on Brazil is multiplied by 5,50 coff coff coff
@mental pasture oof

real bison
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ah yes a tank described as a superheavy bunker buster must have very fast traverse how realistic

jagged crescent
unique scaffold
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@neon jackal this channel isn't about matchmaking

muted rampart
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@unique scaffold people will never understand this ._.

unique scaffold
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I've noticed

distant river
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If only it could be renamed to #balance-NOTMM-discussion

jade yew
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buff tech tree tier 7 tanks

i literally stopped playing tier 7 because of the broken fantasy tanks

hardy hazel
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Tier 7 is a rly bad joke my dear friend 😔

neon jackal
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If there no is no room for this kinda balance where should it be?

unique scaffold
rare sleet
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@storm dome You keep asking for Indian tanks, and the tanks that you list are modern cold war era tanks that will definitely not make it into the game. Name a unique indian tank that existed ww2-early cold war era, there are none

candid steeple
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If tier VII was the only tier suffering. What is tier VI supposed to do? You play anything at tier VI and you see Smasher or Anihilator squad. Its legit feeling "you didn't pay. * you".

hardy hazel
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M4 sherman with a diferent name just because its in india

Everything under tier 8 is a joke, now tier 8 is full of nubs with prems and tier 9 is a K-91 spamm, so annoying

Imagine sealclubbing in tier 10

tawny sandal
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i used to have a btchen k91, i was so pro at it i took out a guy within three shots cuz i shot his fuel and engine, put em in flames

austere citrus
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MLE 54 gun too accurate for the alpha, too good of armor and too good on gun depression too for a tank that legit doesnt even need to hull down to sealclub.

jade yew
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If tier VII was the only tier suffering. What is tier VI supposed to do? You play anything at tier VI and you see Smasher or Annihilator squad. Its legit feeling "you didn't pay. * you".
@candid steeple That's what frustrates me the most. Why did they even add broken fantasy tanks in the first place? Smasher and Annihilator have too much armor and both have excellent guns. They can't nerf them because they are premium tanks, so we have to basically suffer until people get tired of these tanks somehow.
Edit: I forgot that Smashers and Annihilators are WG's moneymakers

candid steeple
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Tbh I never found that much problem dealing with K-91. Yeah its has an opresive auto loader but lets be honest. If you know what you are doing and you know that it can't push on your during the team fight because its paper thin armor on sides and lower plate you just don't allow it to empty the clip and its an easy buisines. I am glad that tier IX premium tanks don't have a ton of armor.

That's why I don't play under tier VIII and when I am tier VIII and I see Smasher or Anihilator I focus it first. Personal reasons.

unique scaffold
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i like how wargaming remove missiles on sheridan when the DPM was like 1500, but they dont care about smasher

hardy hazel
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K-91 is annoying because nobody knows how to deal with it most of the time, and it always make its way trhu the battle with pretty much full hp, also, it has everything going for it so, good luck when you have to be in a 1v1 playing tier 8 or anything but another heavy with good pen.

Tier 5 is trash, lots of noobs, sealclubbers and T1 heavy spam, tier 6 is shadowed by the broken tanks at tier 7, tier 7 is stupid, the most horrible thing that i ever see in my life, smasher and anni platoons and spamming those tanks like there is no end, tier 8 is a noob spam of premium tanks and ppl buffing their win rate spamming Emil I in platoons, tier 9 and 10 are the ones that are ok but yeah, i think is better to wait some time to play again because rn is full of trolls, nubs and ppl spamming broken tanks

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@candid steeple yeah, i know, but is hard when you are the only one doing all the work

candid steeple
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@hardy hazel I will be honest. Tanks that I don't like to see on tier IX when playing are T92E1, AMX 30 1er prot. ,Vickers CR, WT auf Pz. IV ( because of the unbalanced gun) an Jagtiger (OP gun and overstated armor after the buffs). I think that every other tank except those is somewhat balanced. I only don't like those 5 tanks out of all tier IX tanks. And honestly tier IX an X tiers are only 2 good tiers in the game right now. Tier VIII is managable.

I don't mind K-91. It's pretty bad tank if it isn't 1v1 against you. Never had problems with that tank.

Same thing like WZ-113 and FV 215B. It tarnishes you 1v1 but its pretty bad for teamfights. Only good tanks for high wr players to flex in 1v1 rooms and think that they are better because of the 3k+ dpm.

dense yoke
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"Tortoise, the wannabe Jagdtiger"

hardy hazel
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I can deal with most of those tanks, leaving aside jagtiger unless im playing in my tier 9, the problem that i have with K-91 is that the rest of the team usually ignores it and it becomes hell in the end of the battle, also, rn im spaming progetto 46 because i liked the gameplay it has, if i was playing in my conqueror then, the only tank that becomes a problem is the is 4 so, yeah thats it for me

coarse harness
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WZ-113 is my highest WR T10 heavy🤐

candid steeple
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My highest WR tier X is T110E5 xd

mental pasture
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@candid steeple waffle have an unbalanced gun? What is the unbalanced part?

Well, did you know that it's easier to spot a Waffle than an Obj 704? Check blitz stars
Just a cool fact

U right

candid steeple
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@mental pasture dpm, accuracy, gun arch and the fact that it can trevers in the open and almost show nothing of its hull. Ah right they are pretty hard to spot too since they can easily go back to the cower. But again I hate its gun.

unique scaffold
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My best tier x tank is the leopard 1

ruby monolith
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Bat chat getting 2.75 intra-clip... yea or nah

coarse harness
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I guess they don't want the 2.5 intraclip because of the TVP
It's one of the few advantages of the TVP over the BC

My opinion still stands
320×3 with 2.5 sec intraclip on the BC
300×4 with 2 sec intraclip on the TVP
That would make both guns more competitive and unique as well

austere citrus
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Bat Chat should get 4x350.

dense yoke
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nah batchat would be annoying to deal with
Give it 350*3 with a 2.5s interclip

hardy hazel
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is there a chance to add amx 105 as tier 10 light tank for the french tech tree?

round bluff
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lol imagine batchat just rolling up to a wt4 and clipping it with HE

real bison
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@austere citrus that would give it ~1400 clip potential- this is 200 more than all 3 autoloader tier Xs (including the Kranvagn) Penning all 4 shots means (with either the current intraclip reload or the buffed intraclip reload- 9s/8.4s) you practically deleted a tier 9 MT.

@hardy hazel not really much of a reason to add it

austere citrus
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i mean the pen on the bat chat is like trash and a big clip potential would make it more scary.

coarse harness
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Just slightly worse than meds
Most people run calibrated shells on it anyways

lunar niche
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I quite like the fast magazine reload of Batchat though. Bigger clip with higher alpha will just make it more vulnerable with fast light/meds around.

muted rampart
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I think bc could be made near to this one in PC version. Loooong reload clip (around 30 secs) but with ability to delete meds/tds with one clip or something. Maybe 5x350 with 2.8 secs intraclip. Also it should be changed to a medium then along with armor nerf to make it like tier 9 bc. Because now it s troll and bounces some ridiculous shots that never should bounce. This would be annoying but with 11,2 secs of Full clip shooting and bad pen it would make it hard to pen Full clip. But still if you managed to do that, enemy loses 1750 hp so if you have Good rng you can delete full hp medium tank. Then we can add AMX 13 105 with a lot better camo and maybe better mobility but 3 shell clip like one we have on bc rn

Still this is only a concept and i didn t said i would like WG to do something like that. It s just a topic to discuss

Edit: but loading 30 secs makes you completly worthless for half of The battle. Even Jgpz E100 can reload twice, while bc will still be reloading

sinful leaf
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5x350 would be too much, it would be able to clip out some TDs, especially those with paper armor in one go. 4x350 seems good though
Jg Pz E 100 can only two shot a Grille 15, and that's with a high roll plus Grille not using the equipment that improves the amount of HP. Light tanks it can also two shot but that is a considerably harder task to do in such a slow traversing tank that has no turret.

lunar niche
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Pretty sure if WG wanted an autoloader with an ability to destroy light/meds in a clip, it would be a heavy tank or even a td like Waffle E100.

austere citrus
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5x350 2.8 sec intraclip is kinda OP. if it was 4x350 2.8sec, sounds good if the reload is like 22 seconds.

safe rapids
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@hardy hazel Probably not since we have the Batchat. In PC, the AMX 13 105 is basically the Batchat, and the PC BatChats are mediums with huge clips and worse speed

hardy hazel
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i think if batchat get its 4 shot mag then the alpha should stay 310 with out touching the reload, but im not an expert

mental pasture
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^

TVP will literraly be 3x310 with 2.5 intraclip, it won't make bat chat useless, lol

I believe that 4x310 while continue with the 3 secs intraclip is the best option, but we would only know if it's really fair if it comes to a testing server

austere citrus
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but then it's a TVP... 4x350 is better. Bat Chat should be 3 second intraclip but 4x350 while TVP is 2.5 but 4x310.

safe rapids
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I'd rework the French LT's from T8-T10 completly. Tier 8 has the AMX 13 90 replaced with the BatChat 12 t, it has a 75mm gun but with 4 shells instead of three, and can empty them really quickly. AMX 13 90 is Tier IX, with both of it's guns having 4 shells and a pen buff. AMX 13 105 is at T10, with 3 shells doing 310 each. The BC25TAP branches off at T9, with it's top gun getting 4x310 shells, and a speed nerf. T10 Batchat gets 4x350 for the top gun, and again worse speed than the AMX 13 105. Both also become medium tanks with a camo nerf and HP buff.

mental pasture
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@turbid crow I higly recommend you to delete that

turbid smelt
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<@&481447501690568709> this player @turbid crow has forgotten a rule or two

moderators are speed

cinder sage
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nice

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess RUBERT#1318 has been warned.

hardy hazel
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I'd rework the French LT's from T8-T10 completly. Tier 8 has the AMX 13 90 replaced with the BatChat 12 t, it has a 75mm gun but with 4 shells instead of three, and can empty them really quickly. AMX 13 90 is Tier IX, with both of it's guns having 4 shells and a pen buff. AMX 13 105 is at T10, with 3 shells doing 310 each. The BC25TAP branches off at T9, with it's top gun getting 4x310 shells, and a speed nerf. T10 Batchat gets 4x350 for the top gun, and again worse speed than the AMX 13 105. Both also become medium tanks with a camo nerf and HP buff.
@safe rapids that will work

orchid grove
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13 105 should be 3*350 and BC should be 4*350
Also, you don't need to uptier 13 90, just make 13 105 branch off BC AP

hardy hazel
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I think 310 is ok if it gets its 4 shell mag, if not, 350 with the same reload is the way to go, for the 105 310*3

storm dome
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@storm dome You keep asking for Indian tanks, and the tanks that you list are modern cold war era tanks that will definitely not make it into the game. Name a unique indian tank that existed ww2-early cold war era, there are none
@rare sleet at that time, most of them were british, you know why😅
Maybe WoT pc can handle MBTs

rare sleet
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No they cant

unique scaffold
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When were y’all fix the cleaning machines

void brook
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Annihilator needs a longer reload imo. When 43%ers are averaging 50-60%wr in it after 200 matches and can clip tanks in T6 out within 15-30 seconds. I think it needs a revisit. It’s not hard to counter if you have pen and or speed, but it’s reload just feels a little fast for the damage it puts out in under a second.

noble quail
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Yeah

mental pasture
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I'd like that WG shows up some charts of tier 7 too, just for we see how unbalanced and destroyed it is

I bet 10 dollars that WG will never do it

safe rapids
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@orchid grove Keeping the 13 105 3x10 makes it essentially a lighter, quicker BatChat. Maybe something like 3x330, but overall I do not want to overcook it. And I don't want to go from a light quick tank to a larger, slower, Tier IX Batchat to the 13 105 along with the Batchat, splitting the lines feels more natural.

scarlet fjord
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@unique scaffold its nothing for your country
you have no idea the difference in others
thats exactly why its 10 times more rare in pubs
becuase those extra 10$ price tag for a tank that isnt even in a battle pass makes a difference the proof is right there

ruby monolith
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@safe rapids agreed, (hence my name) especially because the t8 kinda sucks and the bcs too big imo. Light tanks should have smaller profiles which is pretty much the only reason I like the 13 90, that and 2.5 intra-clip

latent temple
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Guys for the 700 battles that i need into tge sheridan for the rewards in the next update.. I need to play 700 in random? 700 random+ranked? 700 random+ranked+other modality?

hearty steeple
latent temple
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@hearty steeple thank u very much! so mods like madgames and 5v5 arent counted.. ok. but now how can I know how many battles I played in regular ranked and tournament with those tank?

karmic portal
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I don’t think the vickers light nerf is warranted. It wasn’t the op one

fiery dagger
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It was still a better med than all of the tier X meds.

karmic portal
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I mean it wasn’t if you look at devs answers but idk how reliable that data is. Either way it makes me very upset that tanks like the maus and is4 always get a pass while lights never do

distant river
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@latent temple It shows you on your stats page, if you go onto the list of your tanks it only shows regular battles, but if you go into the further details then it shows you total, regular, tourney and rating game count.

unique scaffold
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is it compained battles for both that need to above 700? Like I ahve now 366 Sheri and 205 and T92 so combined 571

full token
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@unique scaffold Combined 700

dense yoke
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Example: Playing 699 games on T92E1 and 1 game on Sheridan

turbid smelt
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why is bias 4 so good, in comparison to super heabies
just not pramo, turrent is much stronger
you can face hug them easy

I kinda wish wg reverted its roof back to 30mm

dark pike
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balanced prammo thats why

dense yoke
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I stand by my words in the past.
IS4 is the most noob friendliest tier 10 tank. Not only do you have really good side sides, but you have good frontal plate, small lower plate, good turret (better than IS7, which WOAW), good gun, 42 km/h, 340 pen prammo.
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So i say, nerf IS4

karmic portal
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I mean if the is4 is the standard that’s fine, but why nerf other tanks then? Heavys shouldn’t get a pass

unique scaffold
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I think T10 meds are fairly competitive. I would even say T10 has medium meta. T8 definately has heavy meta.

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T10 is not medium meta at all

turbid smelt
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Tier 10 is literally
take out your T110e5 and repeat

distant river
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Looks at 6 heavy 1 light tourney teams
Looks at 3 heavy, 3 TD, 1 med random teams
Looks at heavy spam in ratings even when the players are skilled enough to use meds to their full potential

Nah med meta ftw

civic scaffold
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Vickers CR still performs too well imo
I think it should get an armor nerf like Vickers 105 will get in 7.5, and maybe a dpm nerf (this thing literally has only 2% worse dpm than a full blown PT A)
I perform better in the Vickers CR than a Progetto 65 so....
Please take this as a consideration

unique scaffold
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has anyone considered the only thing you would need to do to make the Annihilator only a demi-god instead of a full on god is to reduce the turret turn speed. Would actually make them moderately susceptible to circling (which they aren’t atm) and would make tracking fast moving opponents more challenging. Giving a heavenly armoured and huge alpha heavy tank enhanced speed boost and medium tank turret speed makes absolutely no sense.
And since premiums will likely never get nerfed, buff all tier 6-8 med and light mobility!

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Annihilator is the perfect example of pay to win movement. Balance heavily on the Annihilator side. Wonder how long that will last. Probably once sales dwindle they’ll think about buffing. Then work on next hybrid to sell. Vicious cycle.

candid steeple
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All this about BC bla bla mega big magazine. Same as wanting Foch 155 to have its 3 shot magazine that can almost kill any heavy tank. WG wont add it. And honestly giving BC too much clip damage will just make i a big nuisance or cross the OP side. BC needs a bigger maps to do its job. Tank is just not suited for this game and you need more skill to operate it. Now complaining that it need way more damage then what it currently has will only make all other players complain that are not BC drivers.

TVP is a new medium so unlike heavies. They release meds and lights in broken state. So wait for nerfs and don't already compare BC with probably broken med.

And for sheridan. I think that its time for WG to imploment 3 caliber rule. Sheridan is bouncing so many shots that its not supposed too. TVP wont have armor as well. I really want that to be added tho they are probably planning it for Strv 103 line. Because welp that line is all about it.

hearty steeple
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Tvp gets 1240 clip. Also correction. There are no heavies foch can clip even if it had its old alpha and 3 shells.

unique scaffold
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just give the BC some Sheridan-like troll armour and boom, balanced.

dense yoke
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when did Foch have 3 shells

hearty steeple
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Strv103b is not coming to blitz. Sheridan doesn't bounce. You have to hit the main armour to pen it and do damage. Tvp is far from op, it sacrifices a lot for that 4th shell faster intraclip and gun depression compared to batchat. My point was 1240 clip potential for a lightly armoured mobile tank is not unheard of anymore.

Foch never had 3 shells. I just responded to the hypothetical situation if it had 3 shells.

We already have stats for tvp

candid steeple
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It's an old Foch 155 from WoT PC version. 50s reload.

Oh and right when TVP first came out on PC it was the most broken tier X med. Everyone spammed it and WG eventually gutted it. So hold your horses guys with comparing BC.

I am saying that it will probably be too strong. Don't compare BC with something that we still don't know of how good it will be.

I am guessing that they will nerf it soon after the patch. Same thing happened with PC as I mentioned.

unique scaffold
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Blitz is a testing ground for pc and handles testing differently amx 30b wz 5A and S conq and to an extent vickers light were all different in testing (vickers having a broken oversized model) after testing was over and they were released they were massively nerfed same with the kranvagns line tvp as it stands has the second worst M/S of the meds and the worst penetration of them all

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What isn’t the game working in NA

fossil marten
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They haven’t fed the hamsters 🐹
Serious question: I’ve read lots about the removal of ATGMs from Sheridan and the fact that there will be two versions for those who have it by 7.5 but no one seems to mention the T92E1? Is that tank also having its rockets removed?
@unique scaffold thank you 👍

muted rampart
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@fossil marten they don t have enough potatoes to make servers work

unique scaffold
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@fossil marten t92s will be getting the missile removed and replaced with a normal heat round

minor minnow
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I thought there was going to be 2 T92’s as well, oh well

hexed mango
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@orchid grove Will the FV4005 get updates someday works like in WoT from the PC version or would there be a choice of 2 works, those current now and those from WoT for pc will be like that sometime?

safe rapids
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I'm sure he does not know. I would keep the current FV gun though and bring in the Badger after the Tortoise, but the FV could still be an option, so there is no changing to a premium. Same with the Superconq.

unique scaffold
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Buff superpershing and fcm

mental pasture
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Ngl, WG could just repeat what they did with Sheridan but with some differences

  • Make Badger Tech tree
  • Give in gold 100-150% of it's sell price
  • Make FV215b 183 a collector
  • Give it a low sell price for don't encourage selling it
    - Make FV215B 183 the main prize of a p2w event

We all know this ^ is impossible, unfortunately

storm dome
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No! Sheridan atgm shouldn't be removed! I didn't get to try it!
Dang it! I don't have enough money to buy chaffee and they r removing atgms from game in less than a month?!

sinful leaf
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@storm dome you have about or month or less to get ATGMs lol.

dark pike
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using tier 5 against tier 7, what could go wrong?

unique scaffold
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btw anyone else experiencing some random frame drops from time to time in battle?

shut ruin
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@dark pike that didn’t happen. Both teams had a tier 5. first it was spike, then it was Scavenger

storm dome
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using tier 5 against tier 7, what could go wrong?
@dark pike then t5 will be ohkoed by t7

dark pike
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its still a bad idea wdym

full token
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@unique scaffold Yes. It’s really annoying

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess HeroWonds#1261 has been warned.

candid steeple
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... not even pointed half-said insult is a warning. Duh.

austere citrus
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did wz 121 get nerfed?

lunar niche
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No

fossil marten
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Wargaming - please, please, please reduce the hatch on top of the T110E4. Thank you.

sullen jolt
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its fine @fossil marten the hatch is hard to hit as its small

dark pike
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not really

unique scaffold
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It’s the entire opposite

austere citrus
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I mean ngl. I can pen the cheeks of the T110E4 with AP on medium tanks.

dense yoke
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@sullen jolt Have you played against E4, Have you played in E4 or are you like biased against E4. Something along those lines 100%.

sudden granite
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It’s probably the worst tX tbh
183 still has funny derp gun

fossil marten
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@sullen jolt I beg to differ, most battles take place at less than 200m, often much closer. Aim time on my E4 is 4.3 seconds with .335 dispersion on shots so essential your turret not moving, the hatch is an easy pen.

mental pasture
unique scaffold
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E4 just needs an entire redesign tbh I mean the T28 and even T28 prot on PC got entire redesigns to make up for their painful experiences and even WG states the E4 is entirely their own design plus The whole E4 line is meant to use gun depression and turret armor which it fails to do so and I will still stand by my theory of they just gave it a legendary camo to make up for the cries of buffing it

austere citrus
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Just buff the turret like crazy and give it more speed. So it plays like a heavium with a big gun. Might sound OP but the armor on the hull will still be trash so I think it's fine.

candid steeple
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I play E4 quite a lot at the moment because tank is not that bad but somewhat fun to play and if you ask me WG should only buff its cheek armor. That's it. Buff only that to be effective 260mm and I am fine with a tank.

dense yoke
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Call me Crazy, but why should one play E4 over E100?
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@winged barn E100 may be the size of a barn to you, but it is a good barn. Which is well armored, 640 gun, good prammo, 85 pen He.
But the only reason you play E4 is because of Pen and Missions.
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Not be rude, but you have a quite the special bond with your E4.

winged barn
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Pen and not the size of a barn. Also, it's my TD mission grinder.

unique scaffold
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Buff superpershing and fcm

rare haven
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They should put Artillery on wot mobile

crystal spoke
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They really shouldn't arty wouldn't be a balanced mechanic at all

sinful leaf
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@rare haven maps are too small for that lmao

winged barn
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Yes, because everyone loves arty on pc.

real bison
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just search up “EdvinE20 arty rage compilation” and have fun

dusky veldt
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Yeah buff the FCM. What the deuce, it’s slower than some heavies. Mobility is very poor, and it has the size of a barn. It is outgunned, outmaneuvered by almost every med and light in tier 8.

winged barn
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Poor mobilility
Bruh
Check out that p2w(lol) ratio. It makes up for the lack of other mobility stats.

RIP no attached pic
Curse slowmode

dense yoke
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@dusky veldt If that happens, than meta in tier 8 would change
Everyone has fcm

mental pasture
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I still believe that a "medium/light tank update" is necessary to deal which TD cannons update, heavy HP update or because of the new OP tanks

Some mediums and lights just got useless, pointless or obsolete and they need to be back into the game

I'm talking about tanks like AMX 13 90, Pershing, SP, M48, M46 Patton, FCM 50T, VK 30.02 D, etc

dusky veldt
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I still believe that a "medium/light tank update" is necessary to deal which TD cannons update, heavy HP update or because of the new OP tanks

Some mediums and lights just got useless, pointless or obsolete and they need to be back into the game

I'm talking about tanks like AMX 13 90, Pershing, SP, M48, M46 Patton, FCM 50T, VK 30.02 D, etc
@mental pasture Totally agree!!

weak grove
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I agree too

fiery dagger
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The M46 is fine though.

mental pasture
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Well, but not when compared to the meta nowadays, why would you get M46 if there's much better mediums?

When did I mention to make their turrets impenetrable? Also, you mostly talked about very good or broken meds and lights @candid steeple

I doubt that You would repeat this about the meds/lights in the current tier 7
Or maybe the obsolete ones like Pershing or M48

Nerfing 6 or 7 tanks on tier 8 won't make Pershing or SP relevant or useful, for exemple
The same goes for all the forgotten mediums and lights of tier 7-8

candid steeple
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Agree on what? Give every med an unpenetratable turret? I am actually really looking forward to start grinding Patton line. I am currently finishing WZ-121 line. I don't want stupid all meds got strong turret meta. What happened with t-62A? Overbuffed. WZ-121 dpm overbuffed. E 50 M line armor buffed way too much. Tbh BC line sucks same as AT line. Those tanks will always suck and if you give them too much damage to compensate they will be a quite big nuisance. If you ask me most meds and lights got overshadowed by Sheridan and Vickers. Problem is not those tanks but WG not knowing how to handle the balance (because they don't know the meaning of word nerf but just buff) of the game so they just buff one thing and then make everything else irelevent. Btw I am an heavy tank driver and all of my meds that I play got higher wr then heavies. Better map pressure.

I mean what buff you want then if not armor? Dpm? I think they got enough of that. Game needs nerfs not buffs.

muted rampart
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Just buff the turret like crazy and give it more speed. So it plays like a heavium with a big gun. Might sound OP but the armor on the hull will still be trash so I think it's fine.
@austere citrus I think its okay but it would be broken. I wouldn t buff a hatch, but just make it like on T110E5 make it pennable, but Small. And make front upper plate completly worthless and sides even weaker (something like 100 mm effective on front upper and 60-80 lower plate and 60 on sides) beacuse without it this tank would be completly braindead. (I mean that in situation in which turret would be impenetrable frontally. Something like in is 4)

candid steeple
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@muted rampart why ruin the E4? I like the tank that its like right now. Just removing that commanders hatch would make E4 busted. Trust me. Just buff E4's cheeks to 250mm effective armor. Or don't even touch it if they don't want to do that. If you ask me E4 is the most unicue td at tier X. I don't want it to be a brain dead hull down tank. Its so stupid. You got that from T30 play that. Make E4 different. Keep it as it is. Its a fun tank to play and it not being overbuffed with armor s what i am alright with. Just a small buff to the cheeks and that's it.

I am fine with E4 as it is right now. It's not a braindead tank like just do this thing over and over. It's a flex pick.

mental pasture
unique scaffold
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Ha- good luck on the M46 line. Pershing is very underpowered. It's a heavy in real life, but a med in the game. Although the only good thing about the Pershing is it's mantlet, and it too can easily be penned by many tier 8s. Ther Pershing itself only has 180mm of pen. with it's maxed out gun at 100% crew. When comparing it to other meds at tier 8, it becomes clear that the Pershing is infeirior in every way. Take the Prottego 46, for instance. They both have some armor on their mantlet, but everywhere else is paper. Pershing DOES have more HP. But that's all. The Prottego does more damage, has better penetration, has better mobility(speed/rotation), and it has a 3 shot autoloader, and when firing 1 shot per reload, still reloads faster. Now, you might be thinking, "well, you get the Prottego from crates, and it's pretty rare, so it should be a little better", but let's take a tech tree tier 8 medium, ther Panther II. The Panther II has infinite times the better armor, a better gun, faster reload, more HP, more damage, more penetration, it's a little faster, although the turn speed is a little slower. Also, the only weak spot on the Panther II(on the front) is the lower plate and coupola. It's a pretty hard to hit the hatch from ranges over 50m, let alone when the tank is moving. Then, the lower plate the Pershing can't even pen. on flat ground. I'm not saying nerf the Panther II and Prottego, but buff the Pershing- oh, and while you're at it, make sure to buff the T20 too. More so, tier 4s and 5s can pen the frontal plate of ther Pershing. Is that, a little, worrying? Also, about the E4... you're complaining that it oNLy HaS 240mm oF ArMOr oN tHE CHEekS- well, The Pershing has... 203mm on the mantlet.

sullen jolt
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quite an essay u have written. FULL MARKS BRO!!

austere citrus
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u can pen cheeks of e4 with medium ap which is like bruh momento. A super heavy tank getting penned in the cheeks with AP. @mental pasture i didnt mean super heavy tank, i meant in general its a heavy tank like its weight is heavy. @mental pasture but maus has 185mm side armor, intense frontal armor, u can side scrape turret not like the e4, and 3k hp

mental pasture
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E4 isn't a Super Heavy tank, lol

It's just based on a heavy, but the cheeks clearly need a buff

Let's also mention that even Maus have weakspots on the cheeks, and it's literraly the heaviest tank of the game

Yeah you got this point

jagged crescent
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imo, the e4 only needs better gun depression
that itself also indirectly buffs the armor because it makes the cupola harder to hit when the tank's being flexed and the other parts slightly more angled

hardy hazel
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I want to ask why did british td get the anti-HE thing and germans paper tds dont?

candid steeple
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Essay goes brrr. Ok fine fine about Pershing. Sure make it's mantel a bit stronger. T20 just sucks outright tho bloody hell I survived amx td tier VII I can survive T20 too. I like the Patton. Its underpowered but just striving for OP picks is not what makes game more fun. Tbh I miss tanks that actually got weakpoints somewhere whatever you do. I am kind of annoyed of WG policy to just make every tank requer gold to pen frontally if not shown lower plate. Kicks a lot of skill out of the window. Tbh Pershing tank design is underpowered. Same as BC line. I will only agree on buffing Pershing pen and a bit more armor on turret.

Btw leave E4 alone. because other TD's don't requer skill don't ask for E4 to not have weak spots too. E4 tank design is perfect and removing a weak spot like a commanders hatch will make the tank broken. I play that bloody tank I know how good it is. It's not a sniper and don't compare it with grille or other stuff. It's a tank that is played like a supportive heavy tank or you got an excuse to snipe as a td. I don't need it buffed by removing weak points. Giving weakness gives a tank more fun gameplay. You care about your actions.

E4 having rotatable turret with eh alright gun depression is enough for me to not mind its flaws. Like I said only buff cheeks a little bit. I don't starve for tank being buffed to force it up in the meta.

Do you have a pick that you actually enjoying but not because its broken but because you just like the tank design.

austere citrus
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i mean u can pen the tank in the cheeks, i mean even with no hatch, it's still kidna bad

unique scaffold
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“E4 tank design is perfect”

has a hatch weak spot
has poor frontal turret armor
has poor gun depression due to the design
turret can’t even rotate 360 degrees

candid steeple
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So we look at tank of how easy it is to play? So if it lacks nothing you call it as perfect design? That's a view of a wallet warrior.

Yes its good that E4 has managable armor and not outright inpenetratable. It's good that E4 can't just expose itself like E3.

@neat pine if Annihilator was the only problem at tier VII.

@mental pasture you know why? Smasher comes out. People complain. WG doesn't want to nerf Smasher. They overbuff some tank in tier VII and leave everything else to rot.

For some reason I zoomed trough tier VII to Emil I using Leo with 75% wr. Tank sucks tho. And I got nothing to grind in tier VII or below so I just don't even look at those tiers. (Pss I am not that high wr. In last 30 days my wr is only 60%. Leo was an exception.)

neat pine
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Please nerf Annihilator it makes me angry to play against this tank

mental pasture
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The actual tier 7 meta is a threat for most of tech tree mediums and lights, it's obvious

nimble zodiac
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@candid steeple I'd love to see how a tank with sustainable stats all around, with good stats in its purpose, let's say, Panther, with good armor, a nice gun, and a workable speed, would be a perfect design in a wallet warrior's eyes? Also just to make sure, who is calling E4 perfect?

So you're calling E4 perfect, yes? Ok then

I just feel like if a tank was very well designed, calling it well-designed wouldn't really be the view of a wallet warrior

Look, I'd be good with a big turret armor buff, besides, it has a cupola anyways, so it can be magnified as the main hulldown weakspot, E100 doesn't have a large area of weakspots, with prammo magnets in the turret, a small turret ring that some enemies might still have to load prammo for, and the 150mm bar that's somewhat hard to hit, especially at long or hugging range.

candid steeple
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@nimble zodiac I got my taste. Perfect was a bit of an overstatement tbh. I just don't want people to say overbuff armor because it can't tank shots like a heavy tank.

I slipped a bit.

unique scaffold
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Anyway, this is totally unrelated to my 'essay' about the Pershing- okay it has some relation, but please, PLEASE fix(wait who? WG? No wayyy) some of the following glitches. 1)Why do I get stuck on air: 3 rounds in a row. 3 rounds where i get stuck at spawn, and can't move until someone rams me. 2)Why do I get stuck on air v2: On maps like "Yamato Harbor" there are these dirt mounds that dot the map, and I generally find them usefull to hide behind. However, Their hitboxes are rather,questionalble. When I was in a battle with my AMX 13 75, i was driving my one of these mounds. The only enemy left was a AT 15. My right track was barely touching the mound as I drove by, and bam. All my velocity was canceled, and I got shot. 3)Htboxes- wait didn't I mention that in number 2: After getting shot by that AT 15, I finally free myself, drive over to where every part of my tank is concealed, aaaand pop goes my turret. Why? Well, the second shot from the AT 15 cliped the side of the mound. It passed through, and hit me(I died and my entire team was calling me a f@#$%!* nub). 4)What the heck is wrong with zoomed-out mode: I can be on perfectly flat ground, with a tank that has comfortable elevation/depression angles, and when I drive and scope at another tank, my barrel wobbles like crazy(doesn't happen with Pershing, maybe that's WG's justification of everything else with the tank being horrible?). My aim radical will enlarge and contract, which, is normal, but like what the heck. I'm on flat ground, and I'm only slightly turning my turret. Even with auto-aim on, on my iPad, IT DOESN'T AIM DIRECTLY AT A STATIONARY TARGET. It'll move away and come back, even if my turret turn speed is fast. 5)OMG NERF THE T54E2 LIKE RIGHT NOW: Just do it. It can send a HE right through my Pershing mantlet 😦

austere citrus
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@candid steeple Leo is amazing tank. Borderline OP.

mental pasture
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Depends, it's pretty hard to play but an incredible flanker and sniper

candid steeple
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Leo is only good because of that alpha (320 right?). Turret is paper mostly but throw enough * on the wall and some will stick. Hull is paper. It's saved just because of the gun depression. Dpm is eh.

It's a poke tank style that actually requers skill unlike T92E1 or Vickers. I know they are higher tiers but cmon one light* has way to big alpha gun and other has a 350+ alpha gun that has same dpm as other meds or even more. IX.

Sorry I don't remember the name. I just know that one is FV something an then other two got Vickers in it.

jagged crescent
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I can't tell if you're talking about the t7 or the t10 because what you just said barely fits the description for any of those 2 tanks

tiny snow
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Me neither lol

dense yoke
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They are talking about tier 10, German Leopard 1

hard solar
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I have a balance ideal, make all battles rated and only those in the same rating can play the same rating, because when you have players that are below 2000 rating playing players that are above 3k or 4k it is a sad game for both sides

fiery dagger
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Why in the bloody damn world does no one understand the concept that if there were skill based matchmaking, everyone would eventually be exactly 50%, sans draws?!

And then, that's literally equal to random again, if everyone is the same.

candid steeple
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Well its not fun it you get into a team full of 45% wr players.

And btw its ranked. People of same skill should compete there. Ranked doesn't effect your wr.

fiery dagger
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Well, trust me, it wouldn't be fun if you were always palying against and with 60% players. You literally wont be able to carry, thus doing exceptional damages, bringing down matches. All games would boil down to the same really slow, overcomplicated process. There wouldn't be even that little surprise factor or diversity you get now with random matchmaking. And you wouldn't feel your improvement much as well.

Btw, read again, the one i responded to said that all battles should be rated, not talking about rating.

jagged crescent
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discuss matchmaking elsewhere

deep seal
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delete sheridan thats how we balance it

candid steeple
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@deep seal welp now that they are removing rockets from Sheridan and T92 they could lower their calibers of the guns too. Problem with Sheridan and T92 is that they are good tanks even without rockets. Rockets are just a salt on a wound.

@fiery dagger sry if I understood something wrong.

deep seal
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sheridan shouldnt even be in the game in the first place

unique scaffold
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Someone mentioned the Leo on the Swedish branch having a paper turret... And my Pershing can't pen it anywhere.

mental pasture
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@deep seal and why not?

candid steeple
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Yeah Pershing can't pen leo turret but my tier VI med can pen it from the front. Leo turns turret just a bit to the side and every tank that it meets can pen its side turret armor.

mental pasture
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All you need to make it relevant is give back the old gun depression of T62 A and make 140 a bit faster than what it is now

drowsy idol
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140 can already go 55km with family decent armor

mental pasture
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I know, cuz the only way to make it relevant is making it have an overcooked stat

People will want it only because of the stat, even if it won't be healthy for the game

noble quail
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What if WG shows the stats in tier 7 on #devs-answers so we can see how broken tier 7 is

candid steeple
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They wont show it and you know it.

turbid smelt
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dev stats are from cis, which would be irrelevant to your server unless you are from cis

they don't always match with what is seen on eu

sinful leaf
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Or NA and ASIA for the matter.

mental pasture
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Interesting fact, it may be useful for me latter @turbid smelt

turbid smelt
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:3

unique scaffold
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Hi I’m back. So here is Leo’s perspective when shooting at a Pershing, and vice versa. Both tanks have maxed out guns and turrets. Also, the model on the Leo is a little inaccurate; their is less room to pen the cheeks and you can’t pen the mantlet at all. The Pershing model is pretty accurate to my knowledge.

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frail silo
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@candid steeple why would they lower the caliber of the t92 and the sheridan?
they already have low dpm and not so great penetration
the caliber is the point of the line, look at T49.
also you are bashing the BC line a lot, it is amazing you just need to know what you are doing.

ocean grotto
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What about the fv215b

turbid smelt
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@unique scaffold Leo's hit skin is accurate

sweet flax
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@unique scaffold The leo only has 140 on that part of the gun mantlet

nimble zodiac
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Yeah, just because it's red in-game, doesn't mean you actually can't pen it

Gotta study dem armor profiles ;)

mental pasture
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Sometimes it appears as gray but you can still don't penetrate, it's because there's a spaced armor before the real armor, you may penetrate the spaced one but won't penetrate the real
For exemple, Super Pershing, it's spaced armor will always be gray if you're at least a tier 4, but you may struggle to really penetrate If you hit the wrong areas

As you see on the images, the spaced armor will be Gray, but not penetrable depending on the penetration that you have

There's other important detail about armor profiles that I'll explain in next comment

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karmic portal
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Actually the super pershing looks red lol. It’s space armor is broken

mental pasture
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If you've paid attention to your ammunition, you know that the shell penetration may be better or worse than the average

For exemple, let's imagine that you have a a cannon with 180-220mm penetration and you're shooting at a Tiger P front (200mm flat)
At every shot the penetration will variate (unless if you're on realistic mode), even if your average penetration is 200 at this case, you can just shot a shell that could pen only 199mm and then you didn't make damage on Tiger P, you also could do a shot with your maximum penetration (220mm as I mentioned) or do an extreme low row (and penetrate 180mm)

That's why, Sometimes, you see a tank that have a red armor for you, but you can also penetrate (or sometimes it can appear as grey and you won't penetrate)
On blitz stars, you can see your chance of penetration when comparing armor of a tank in that % right there

@karmic portal If I'm not mistaken, WG already fixed this bug in older updates, but you can still see the thing that I mentioned in other tanks, like IS-3 side armor

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mental pasture
nimble zodiac
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Could just link the WoT official armor pen mechanics vid and be done with it

jagged crescent
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Lol

turbid smelt
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don't poke it in your paper tonk

candid steeple
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@frail silo I am bashing at BC line. Not at the BC.

And about T92 and Sheridan. I just dont like their design. I find it annoying that tier IX light can potentially half hp my tier VIII med. And I will be honest. Dpm and those tanks isn't that important since they got so oppressive poke gun.

storm dome
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@gray condor have you just read about hitler?! Im asking cuz of ur username😂 btw in my school's syllabus of history there is a chapter about hitler, and i was reading that chapter while playing with tiger 2 lol😂😂

candid steeple
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@storm dome I don't know how much you know about Hitler but he wanted to be a painter before the war but he was rejected by the unviersiti or whatever it was.

Just to make shere that this is still about balance discussion. Nerf Smasher. Good now my comment is suitable for this channel.

@mystic gorge didn't notice that I pinged the wrong person. Srys.

mystic gorge
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@candid steeple what?

fringe lynx
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Is buffing the Panther 2 a good idea?

I must say, doing 220-ish damage is quite low for a tier 8. I understand that the reload time is faster than most, but still..its hard to do much when your in a battle with tanks like the ISU, IS-3, Jpanther 2s, Waffentrager, etc. Mobility-wise its quite decent. Armour...well its also okay. Thoughts?

compact nymph
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The Panther II is pretty decent to say the least. One of the few relevant tech tree T8 meds along with the Pantera and T-34-2.

dark pike
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it did get a armor buff

candid steeple
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I played Panther I but not Panther II. And I played it before the overstat buffs and I though that it was a fun tank to play. So I don't know. It has good dpm and its more of a nuisance tank then role in your face. It doesn't have good trade per shot potentional so its a bit harder tank to play. Its situational. And Panther II did get buffed shortly after Panther I buff so.

I am not talking about this overstated fiasco of a Panther I. I was talking about the Panther I before the buff. You don't need hands to play it now. It has armor but and OP dpm.

Btw which gun gives you 7s reload? Even stock tank with top gun has 6.2s reload. Btw if I see it correctly Panther 2 has lower dpm then Panther 1..

fringe lynx
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Good DPM, yes. But...eh....220 in 7-ish seconds. The Tiger 2 can do 310 with a reload of 1 sec higher than the P2. Its a slightly harder tank to play, but i guess its a necessary step to the E50 and E50M? Also, yes, the Panther 1 is a supremely fun and fantastic tank to play. I enjoy bouncing shots from other tanks of the same tier and shooting them every 3 sec.

turbid smelt
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They made Panther I too good by buffing armour

compact nymph
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If your Panther II has about seven seconds of reload time it definitively isn’t maxed out, and judging stock tanks in general is a bad idea

fringe lynx
distant river
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It gets down to about 5.5 sec from what I remember fully kitted out

My memory actually functioned for once omg

compact nymph
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With maxed out crew, modules and running the rammer (yes, I use the gun rammer because I don’t feel the need for CS even if the APCR pen isn’t good) you get about 2412 dpm, which translates to 5,47 seconds of reload (assuming you are using provisions aswell).

turbid smelt
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without calibrated you probably get 2290 or something
and pen boost of 5mm xD

yup guessed it
with calibrated you get 2242 dpm
+10mm pen on ap
+12mm pen on apcr
and reload of 5.89s

i dunno if it is even worth running calibrated or rammer

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> old rammer was worth running, you could get 1.5 to 2 more shells per minute

current one gives 0.4 to 0.8 more shells per min
compact nymph
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I personally run rammer on my Panther II and Panther 8,8. Both are accurate enough to nail pretty much any weakspot and I appreciate the extra dpm.

candid steeple
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Tbh I first time saw AMX M4 mle. That armor is ... worst thing is that player driving it was a Raid member Tobi...

candid steeple
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Is AMX M4 mle. a reward tank? I saw two in 5 games that I played but both times those were 65% wr players. Just wondering. Someone has info?

Btw when you look at the model of the tank. It has no space trough what gun pass trough in the turret. Its a big flat angled plate of 300mm. Stupid if you ask me but I like how they actually made it be that it if you get to its side in a brawl for it its pretty hard to fight you. I was driving my IS-4. You pen it from eze if you get in the brawl if not just face hugging. Lower plate is 100mm. I am glad that they actually want to make tank not feel too strong.

Tho I don't like that its dpm is on stronger side. Its a no skill front line tank with front armor that has only two weaknesses. Wow alpha is 480 damage with 2700 dpm. OK Tank is actually bull *.

meager spruce
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@candid steeple if you are talking about the tier 10, it could have entered live server testing for the second time

full token
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its in testing again

meager spruce
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well then that explains it

turbid smelt
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there were few leaks posted in general that it has drop chance of 1% in snow globe
i dunno if it would rebalanced (if needed) till event

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dark pike
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its not gonna be rebalanced, atleast i dont think so

candid steeple
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Armor profile of the tank is fine. But gun needs nerfs. its overstated. Pen 265, dpm 2700, damage 480 and 8 gun depression. hmmmm.

compact nymph
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I doubt it will be nerfed. An unbalanced tank will encourage people to gamble more to get it

full token
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Why would they bother testing if they dont want to change it? Theyve sent tanks into the stores without testing before

turbid smelt
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we don't know if they want to change it or not

unique scaffold
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Buff superpershing

candid steeple
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I gotta say for how much everyone have to play clan missions to get them its not worth the time for the rewards. last week it was way more easy. Make it as good and enjoyable to play as last week or this missions are just there to make clans more toxic because some members are not playing the game.

coarse harness
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Last week everyone got 40 points just for logging in the game

storm dome
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I gotta say for how much everyone have to play clan missions to get them its not worth the time for the rewards. last week it was way more easy. Make it as good and enjoyable to play as last week or this missions are just there to make clans more toxic because some members are not playing the game.
@candid steeple guys i think clan missions are rigged. They are so hard and we get common boosters in such less amounts. Just got 2 fxp common booster and only 1 common credit booster?!

muted rampart
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I think getting Common boosters is Good idea. But it should be at least 10-20 of them from Commons, 30-40 from rare and 40-50 with some credits and exp from epic one. Not 1 or 2 beacuse it s just a not worth anything at all joke

scarlet fjord
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IS-3's armor profile is paper
its gun handling is extremely poor
it has 5 degrees of gun depression
and tanks like the IS-5 and Celestial which have more armor
have 42 km/h top speed
IS-3 has 38
it accelerates faster but regardless
IMO
since it leads to the IS-8 which is a great heavium
it should represent the Heavium playstyle
so i think just give it great accuracy to its gun
and i mean great like IS-8 feels like medium tank level of accuracy
give it that but for tier 8 respectively
and buff the DPM similarly to IS-8
like it has 2nd best DPM out of the heavies or 3rd best dont remember
in fact
IS-3 has one of the poorest DPM at tier 8 for a heavy tank
pls buff the gun not the armor let the armor be paper but make the gun amazing
@dense walrus you literally didnt even read it i saw you type instantly after i posted it
the hull is paper
the turret many tanks have similar turrets it doesnt compensate for the tanks lack of everything

dense walrus
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yes the best turret at tier 8 is "paper"

sinful leaf
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IS-3 frontal hull is crap you know, just reverse side scrape ez

glass karma
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I gave up on the IS-3 and soviet heavies all together

fallow eagle
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Plz buff is7 and 5a prammo pen
The dpm is bad enough to use calibrated just to pen shots
I know they are big alpha tanks so their dpm should be less
But 5a should be sitting at base dpm around 2500

twilit crystal
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Is3 literally has the best turret in game tier for tier

sudden granite
dense yoke
# fallow eagle Plz buff is7 and 5a prammo pen The dpm is bad enough to use calibrated just to p...

Even if they do buff IS7 prammo,
i am still going to still run cs on IS7.
The amount of times i have high rolled on the IS7 with CS is just great.
All my shots with Gun rammer would just low roll. But it's all different with CS.
All of my shots with Gun rammer would just below 460/low roll. Which was a pity. Now i would see more shells go above 460/high roll.
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I actually liked IS3, but after i came back Last year octo and got IS5. I began to dislike it. I like its feature before i met IS5. Its hull was too much for me. This is why i chose IS5 over it.
There are some people who choose IS3 over IS5, which is fine.
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dark pike
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i think thats just confirmation bias on your part there for the high rolls

fallow eagle
twilit crystal
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is3 has AP as standard which means best standard pen for tier 8 IS tanks, also has 2nd best gun handling(Only awful IS2h is better) and decent power to weight.

dense yoke
# fallow eagle I don't want to run the calibrated because the accuracy is bad enough that if i ...

I definitely agree with you there (about how bad IS7 gold shells is, but workable).
I ran gun rammer on IS7 for over 700-600 battles and I did quite well with it. I left for a break in January and came back a little over 2 months ago. Before I left I had quite the high rolls in IS7. IS7 felt different to me (a bit).
I began meeting better players. Who knew how to angle (rating) their tanks and I was quite rusty back then. But I quickly became quite good with IS7 with the gun rammer, once again.
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I had problems with turrets. To be specific Heavies turrets (for an example 113, IS4, etc). But was quite hard to pen them with 303 pen on apcrs.
Every time I met an IS4/113. I had to avoid face-hugging them. Because I don't enough gun depression to pen their lower plate or enough gold pen to pen their turrets. But they had Gold/heat 340 pen. So they could just pen my turrets. But it is quite workable. (You can face hug them with a gun rammer. But try to move back, so you can hit their lower plate. when you have finished reloading) (Tip to all IS7 users, when you go in face hug. Always wiggle your turrets to make it harder for your enemies to pen you with Prammo/Normal) So I forced to go CS on IS7. I felt sad that I would've to wait 0.8s more to reload. But I was quite astounded. I had many high rolls. Which was quite useful for me. Yes, i might be biased for high rolls on IS7.
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My most damage on IS7 ( before the heavy updates) was 7100-7300 damage and that was gun rammer. You saying that you are forced to run cs on IS7. Is quite the excuse/Joke. You can run Gun rammer on IS7 and yes it is Workable on it. Everything about the IS7 is workable. Now that IS7 gotten hp buff, & became 2500 hp (2650) which is 200 more hp than other tanks (s) expect IS4&German-Tanks. And because of that, it became pretty good in my opinion.
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Go ahead, run gun rammer, None stopping you. You will get more Dpm, but from my perspective, you will low roll alot.

fallow eagle
# dense yoke I definitely agree with you there (about how bad IS7 gold shells is, but workabl...

Looking at it that way,every thing discussed in this server about buffs and nerfs to various tanks are workable,are they not?
What you're simply doing here is putting forth your own perspective,nothing else
You might be a good player with godlike aim but i think many people in the game agree that is7 prammo penetration is bad enough that calibrated shells is a must for it even though the dpm is as much as important when you're not just trading and peekaboo but brawling with others

autumn zodiac
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Frankly IS-7 Prammo is fine, it's APCR which some might argue isn't great but the issue is that if it were HEAT it would have issues with a lot of the spaced armor and angling in tier 10

candid steeple
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If gold ammo can pen E100 an jag turret cheeks I see it as good enough gold ammo. Tbh you need it for nothing else. Btw IS-7 is better in 1v1 against IS-4. Gold always pens IS-4 upper plate while in face hug only thing that people pen on IS-7 is its cheeks but if driver knows what he is doing I would rather avoid face hugging an IS-7.

Btw IS-7 has better standard shell pen then almost any tier X heavy. I see that as a plus.

Huh I got a wish now to farm IS-7 ... ah i guess at least IS-4 line gave me all of the top guns :3

sinful leaf
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@candid steeple 1 vs. 1 battles do not accurately measure a tanks ability to perform. 1v1s are almost completely dependent on the skill of each player to determine the outcome, not the tanks.

dark pike
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skill and rng

compact nymph
void tapir
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what about FCM 50T? Isnt it kinda odd to play?

candid steeple
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Oh deer just bought IS. I can go on a walk. Visit my grandparents, come back and gun still wouldn't be fully aimed xD

Oh deer 7s aiming time. This tank is ment for stali. Welp good bye WZ-121 farming hello tier VII hell hole again xd

Btw if IS-7 is keeping its nose straight even gold hardly pens it. Btw I didn't say that its good because of 1v1. I think that IS-7 is a fine tank because it has a high alpha gun and its a really good 1 for 1 shot trade tank. I am still looking at that standard ammo pen. I think that people don't value it enough.

Like I said if it pens E100 cheeks it ships. But that high standard ammo pen is what is atracting me with that alpha.

jagged crescent
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nobody denies that it's a fine tank. I think we're just reaching consensus on what it's lacking because unlike the other t10 heavies, there's no quality about the tank that goes past the point fo "Fine"

dense yoke
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@fallow eagle I can agree on the fact that IS7, needed a buff (before heavy buff updates). I praise WG for what they did with IS7 (Heavy buffs). They didn't buff it like Tiger2, nor Jagdtiger (giving it crazy armor buff), but gave it 200 more hp than other heavies expect IS4/german tanks.
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The more i think about it. The more i agree with the person. Who said: "IS7 is one of the most balanced Heavies in tier 10, if not the most balanced one". Something along those lines.
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IS7: Has speed, decent frontal turret, decent trollish hull. Decentupper plate, big lower plate. Good sidecrape tank, good hulldown tank and other stuff. IS7 low profile makes it an exellent sidehugger. It is simply my fav tier 10.
The only thing that is holding a tank like this is: Dpm, Prammo pen (which can be obtained with CS), Turret (which can be countered, with wiggling when you are facehugged/aimed at
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If gold ammo can pen E100 an jag turret cheeks I see it as good enough gold ammo. Tbh you need it for nothing else. Btw IS-7 is better in 1v1 against IS-4. Gold always pens IS-4 upper plate while in face hug only thing that people pen on IS-7 is its cheeks but if driver knows what he is doing I would rather avoid face hugging an IS-7.
Btw IS-7 has better standard shell pen then almost any tier X heavy. I see that as a plus.
Huh I got a wish now to farm IS-7 ... ah i guess at least IS-4 line gave me all of the top guns :3
@candid steeple
Ofc. IS7 with cs will pen an E100/JG cheeks. It is even possible to pen without cs. When i facehug an IS4. It comes a must for me to always wiggle my turret. So i've better chance of bouncing. It is even better for me when an IS4 doesn't push. If he doesn't push, i can go back (after he shot/bounced) and shoot at his lower plate. Then facehug again.

And i agree that: People don't value IS7 normal sells at all and choose to have like alot of Gold shells. Which is nono.
Imo they should have more normal shells than apcrs

austere citrus
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buff jagdpanzer e100 HE pen

candid steeple
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@austere citrus Why? Its not a hesh round. Its a HE pen like most td's. Just a 5mm less pen tho russian meds got 75mm armor so you can still pen it.

turbid smelt
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it has less pen then same tier 152mm guns
grille has same issue

Just give tier x German Tds their deserving penetration

I don't know why it less than a super heavy at same tier, even that a tier 9 german td

it just has been budget HE version for absolutely no reason

lower HE pen reduces splash damage, if you want to inflict some to a target

mental pasture
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Honestly I think that Jagdpanzer E100 is perfectly balanced and nothing should be changed as buff or nerf on it

dark pike
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if the jagdpanzer e100 needed any change, it would be a buff not a nerf

dense yoke
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If there is a heavy armored tank that needs a nerf, it is a IS4.

turbid smelt
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e5, T57 and cheiftain need track traverse nerfed

they are pretty much fat meds with heavy hitpoints and budget armour on t57 and chieftain

mental pasture
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I idk, their transversions quite fit for the tanks armor, have 76mm on the sides and an obvious ammo rack position there is a reason for it

jagged crescent
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is4 doesnt need all of that hp

candid steeple
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Yes a heavy tank that cant sidescrape should have a bad traverse.

If you ask me I would rather complain about E100 VK and Mouse for being big giant hit boxes that don't care if you shoot them but just slam you back. Maus has more HP then Maus on PC. Fair.

lunar niche
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Maus on PC has better gun and armour though.

dark pike
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and arty exists

dense yoke
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@turbid smelt Agreed, buddy.
Maus needs a traverse speed nerf aswell.
@lunar niche People in Pc, don't know how to aim. Because they don't have aiming mechanism.

turbid smelt
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super heavies are gold spammers piñatas
they don't survive if everyone switches to gold
they don't poses ability to snap back
Their guns are derpy

They can't sit in hulldown position without giving two flip about enemy fire like E5, Chieftain and is4

fully kitted out maus has traverse of 25°/s on hard ground
e5 has 32°/s
t57 has 40°/s
chieftain has 38°/s

it is just stupid that e5 also get budget mad games speed boost

to boost it 50 stupid °/s

super heavies can't turn anywhere close to these other "heaviums" and they can't attack while being in defensive position nor can they counter attack without aiming as they don't have good gun handling to back them either

full token
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super heavies have the hp to take some hits

dense yoke
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@turbid smelt I forgot to say that "Maus upper plate buff" and to counter that buff is to nerf the traverse speed (or something else)

turbid smelt
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There is no surprise why E5 is so popular stat grind tank, they even spammed in ratings and tourns

@dense yoke yea then I am fine with maus turning like paddle boat

winged barn
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The last thing the maus needs is a buff. With all of it's current stats, if you halved the traverse it would still do just fine.

jagged crescent
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Heavy heat shells are a lil overcooked. I’d nerf them

dark pike
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the is 4's prammo more specifically

candid steeple
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Btw its so good that Lorrain and obj 252U are cheeper for the sale. Good job WG. Cant play a tier VII without objects being in every single game. Gotta love their choices. Anihilators and Object 252 in every game.

karmic portal
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Yeah the 252u was not the move. Should have sold a less toxic tank for cheap

lunar niche
turbid smelt
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I think either balancing department would keep buff other classes in a loop and at some point they would decide to revert everything back

heavies buff was insignificant to me but playerbase clearly are struggling with these "heavies"
it wasn't like heavies were dominating before unnecessary hp buff.

Maus has traverse of 25°/s, idk why it is so hard to deal with that but something like e5 (full kitted out) 50°/s traverse is completely fine

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jagged crescent
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@dark pike the 113, e5, is4, and e100, all have gold rounds that range from 360-380. They all need a tone down

I'm talking about calibrated

vernal oyster
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What would you suggest? Also don’t forget E3, that and E4 have the same gun

turbid smelt
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wz 113 has more dpm than other heavies' standard shell dpm while spamming gold rounds (cheiftain and 215b being exception)

@candid steeple check calibrated
374mm

candid steeple
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@jagged crescent ok done IS-4 has 340mm not 360mm. Thats a TD gold ammo pen that you are talking about.

mental pasture
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People overrate IS-4 prammo, it's not as like if other tanks have same or better numbers even being heavies

hardy hazel
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It doesnt make sense, why play tds when you can have everything in one aside from pin point accuracy and big alpha gun?

candid steeple
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@turbid smelt so gold is too high because someone usses pen over dpm? Ok good argument.

Btw for everyone out there saying that tier VII is terrible for meds. Pls reconsider non premium heavies that are not overbuffed Tiger.

I honestly cant carry the game. With tier VII meds I got 60% wr. I just bought and maxed IS. Its impossible to carry anything. Specialy because now everything has way too much armor and 175mm or gold is not enough to do anything. Tiger II is completly red. Smasher has 250mm pen Annihilator is Annihilator. Honestly its not fun.

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nimble zodiac
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The IS isn't really a bad tank tho ._.

turbid smelt
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@candid steeple 200 more dpm won't do any good
unlike calibrated shells which can literally slice through anything

mental pasture
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@candid steeple I don't think that 20 battles is enough for get all the full modules, lol

But yeah, 2020 is like the Darkest Hour for any tier 7, even the old good premiums like M4/FL10, E25 or Rudy

Damn you releaved the E25 secret ability, delete that before it doesn't be secret anymore

crystal spoke
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The IS isn't supposed to be a super carry tank its a second line heavy and does that very well

He probably used freexp

And the E25 is still very fun as the smasher doesn't have enough gd to hit you in a face hug

candid steeple
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@mental pasture fully maxed and i got Emil I but it was because of the free xp for modules and x3 xp boosters and premium acc and booster certificates. Only 24 battles. Yeah baffling how easy it is to get xp if you pay to WG tho I got it all from the pass and stream rewards.

I didn't even touch it after I got Emil I. Tier VII is not worth playing.

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mental pasture
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2020 is like the Darkest Hour for any tier 7, even the old good premiums like M4/FL10, E25 anything else or Rudy

muted rampart
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I think maus should get it s hp down to 2750 but get reload down to 9.5 seconds with Full eq

dense yoke
jagged crescent
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That's giving the Maus 2.9k dpm. Hard no.

That's still an atrociously high amount of dpm for something that's intended to be a meatshield

muted rampart
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@jagged crescent wait. 2.9k? I think it would be around 2.7k. Sorry I m tired i probably calculated it wrong. So give it 9.8-9 secs of reload when fully equiped. 10 secs equals 2640 so 9.8/9 should be around 2.7k

turbid smelt
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what is wrong with current reload

drowsy plaza
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2.7 would be way too high DPM for a MAUS.

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The MAUS is legit fine where it is.

candid steeple
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Maus is currently on a stronger side. Buffing it will just make it OP. Khm khm its OP already.

muted rampart
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@drowsy plaza I told that it would be along with hp nerf.

twilit crystal
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maus should get a speed nerf back to 20 kmh, however buff the upper plate to 250 IMO

turbid smelt
austere citrus
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If you nerf maus speed, you better buff turret armor as well. Sure the upper plate can be penned by APCR/HEAT from high penning TDs but that turret is where most of the shells hit.

dense yoke
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Maus is a big and fat armored tank. It deserves to slow. Maus players struggles with its upper plate, bc it's really weak. So you either make Maus top speed 20 km/h, back wards 15 km/h, and buff upper plate&nerf alpha to 440 or you just don't touch the allmight best MAUS.

hardy hazel
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Every tank deserves to have a weak point, Maus weak point are the turret cheeks

candid steeple
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Ye removing the cheeks as weak points is not healthy. Eather way. Maus just turns its turret to the side just a bit and nothing can pen it. Only people who don't know how to play complain of how weak Maus cheeks are.
If Maus doesn't want to get penned it wont get penned.

jagged crescent
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If anything, it might just be that some tanks have heat rounds (calibrated granted) that are a bit overcrooked

dense yoke
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Maus is chonky and should have the 20 km/h, Rotating tank nerf (which will directly affect his sidecraping reaction speed, but not turret), 440>460, upper plate buff.
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and btw how the hell is E100 speed 30 km/h. Kill that chonky boy speed. Make it 25 km/h
Both of these tanks are BIG Aand heavy.

full token
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maus already has 460 alpha

dense yoke
full token
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So... 440 is greater than 460? I just interpret that as arrow (like ----->) meaning to change it from 440 to 460.

Thats a weird way to use the sign. For me it either acts as an arrow to suggest change from one to another, or you use it like in math where one is actually greater than or lesser than
Either way, i think the maus is fine as it is. Maybe a slight hp nerf but its not op imo

blissful vigil
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Buff Tiger I's mantlet? I sometimes get penetrated by small guns despite it not really should be penable

unique scaffold
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I mean they literally used it for the worst explanation on this demo possible

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karmic portal
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Yeah ik. How to confuse players even more

candid steeple
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@blissful vigil tiger I was overbuffed few patches ago. Why do you even complain about the tank being penned? That tank is supposed to be penned everywhere but WG was like nah lets make it unpennable for tier VI. That thing needs nerfs not buffs.

As soon as any tier VII hits tier VIII its paper. Tiger at least has the highest pen at tier VII. And highest dpm. And look at this fact the highest armor values after the T29. And it has 8 degree of gun dipression if I remember correctly. And gun handeling is better then most tier VII heavies. And turret can bounce some shots and it needs a nerf.

blissful vigil
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As soon as it hits tier 8 it's paper

It's either broke or trash

unique scaffold
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All T7s go paper when they meet T8 though

mental pasture
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"The armor is bad because a higher tier can penetrate"

blissful vigil
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Not every tier 7. Only a few tho. But I understand your point. I guess Tiger I will remain a nightmare to tier 6 tanks lel@unique scaffold

drowsy plaza
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Tiger I = tier 8 med

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Dont try to fight tier 8 heavies frontally and Tiger I is fantastic

karmic portal
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Nah tiger 1 is op but that’s ok. It’s a tech tree tank that can handle the smasher and annihilator. Just play it like a medium or hull down heavy that pokes a lot. Or just bully tier 6 meds

hardy hazel
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So, i found out that you cant circle annihilator 🤯

winged barn
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The only heavy that you can actually circle is the 113

Maus is very long, and the others easily keep up just by turning

jagged crescent
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maus, e100, is7, is4, ez

mental pasture
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Imagine circling TOG 2

flat bane
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I'm going to miss the ATGM's, but after spamming them non-stop for the past 8 months, I can safely say the new HEAT rounds are a welcomed change.

unique scaffold
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I can’t wait to try them out tbh

flat bane
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Same, I feel the HEAT rounds will make the tanks better.

unique scaffold
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Hey about the Tiger I being overpowered, I agree. It’s reload is wayyy to fast and it’s mobility too. But, the ARL 44 can easily penetrate the front hull armor and even some areas on the turret.

But like what the heck. The ARL has 212mm of penetration so what do you expect.

Edit: If a Tiger II’s turret is turned even just 2 degrees, the ARL has a comfortable 76% chance of penning the cheek, and if the ARL is elevated a bit, it can even send a shell through the front plate.

In these photos the ARL is using maxed out gun and normal AP, and Tiger I and II both have upgraded turret(photo for Tiger II not shown since I can’t attach more photos for some reason).

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dim dock
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So arl gun op?

mental pasture
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No, the whole ARL is kinda OP

rare sleet
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yes tier 6 tournies is just ARL spam

karmic portal
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@unique scaffold yes the arl can pen the tiger 1. But the tiger 1 would eat the arl alive, it’s a whole tier higher ofc. And the tiger would be hull down a lot of the time which is a harder pen

mental pasture
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The Tiger 1 doesn't need to hull down for win a simple ARL 44

ARL may be arguably OP, but Tiger 1 is on the same situation in a higher tier

unique scaffold
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@winged barn E100?

low needle
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@unique scaffold E100 is trash. Nothing will change my mind

mental pasture
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The inverse happens with me

Some people may say that T28 HTC is bad, but deep in my heart, it's my treasure

twilit crystal
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lol

candid steeple
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Problem with T28 HTC is whatever you do they still can pen one of your side gun ports. Tbh I am glad that its like that. Theres pretty much no other weak points.

crystal spoke
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You can work around that if you get used to the tank

candid steeple
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But ofc every tank works if you fine a suitable playstyle for it. Some are just left behind to rot a bit too much.

sonic burrow
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Omg obj252u is so bad like why cant it at least go 38km/h like is3 and why is the armour only 130mm at front is so weak

karmic portal
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You re like me who did that trolling a while ago

orchid grove
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@sonic burrow Just hide the lower plate, and this is what a 252U looks like from the front against an IS-3

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sonic burrow
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Ah very interesting perspective

candid steeple
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@sonic burrow let me guess. You are a 45% wr player.

spark gorge
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“obj 252u front armor weak”

bruh

dim dock
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Maybe nerf the 252u frontal plate?

candid steeple
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Tier VIII right now is legit who has a better obj.

Tho people are still bad that I got few games in a row bottom tier most damage in the game ..

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turbid smelt
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that is very good for IS, I am surprised AT 15 did 790... it has like 4k dpm

candid steeple
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You know how good it is to see two 30k+ battles 63%+ wr driving double obj 252 squad. Thx WG nice sold tank for boosting wr of noobs. Nerf Obj 252 already. That tank needs zero skill to play. Make its side turret armor weak and make that lower plate eaven weaker.

I feel so outplayed by that when driving tier VII.

Tbh I left WoT PC soon after defender was released aka in Blitz obj. 252. And now again I see this thing in every game. You know how annoying it is?

turbid smelt
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it is 100mm sides, major part is flat so you can easily flank/circle and shoot sides if you know where to aim

it even conveniently turns like ship, IS3 has faster traverse yet it is possible to circle that tank in tier 7 meds

is 3 turret isn't easy pen
obj has massive lower plate on the front

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candid steeple
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Yeah but IS-3 turret is an easier pen and front hull armor is paper for 200m+ guns. Even 175mm pen can pen it. Yeah its only 100mm but tank is really long so that 100mm has bigger value for side scraping.

And I am not exactly a med tank driver. Its easy for med tanks to flank. What is heavy supposed to do? Honestly when I am tier VIII I dont' find much challenge against obj but as tier VII .. god forsake that abomination.

I just got recently into meds after mainign heavy tank and td and I must say that all people complaining about me tanks being weak are just bad at the game. All of my med got higher WR then heavies at the same tier. Meds are way easier class to play.

For me they are lmao. Heavy doesn't have as much of an impact on the game as meds. You are going herpa derpa around the map and if med flank falls your arse gonna hurt. Tho I admit that meds are hard to play when your heavies just instantly get deleted by enemy heavies but I must say that it happens way more with meds then heavies so meds winning their side usually means a win for the game.

distant river
candid steeple
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@distant river um why are you comparing tier VIII with a tier X thats a bad comparison. Compare IS-4 with an obj 252U. Same armor values or higher.

Tho I will note that theres a weak point of 200mm but no one can reliably hit it.

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distant river
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@candid steeple A turret with the same weakspots as an IS4 is not weaker than anything at tier 8. The 252 has two obvious cupolas, as opposed to the IS3s much much smaller and slightly stronger cupola. I don't understand how you can even begin to think the IS3 doesn't have the best turret at tier 8 or realise that the 252s isn't that strong

candid steeple
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@distant river T32 exists. Ah sorry no one knows of that thing. And unlike obj. 252 IS-3 has paper hull.

distant river
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T32s cupola also exists, and is significantly larger than the IS3s. The 252 is so much higher than the IS3 that the huge and much weaker lower plate is almost as large as the IS3s whoo hull. That means the IS3 is better when both tanks can't hide their hull, better when they can, and the 252 is only ever better when the cover it's behind is just larger than the lower plate of the 252 and smaller than the hull if the IS3, which is exceedingly rare. But anyway this was about the turret so idk why you brought the hulls into it

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candid steeple
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I think that most of the times you see T32 as this.

So you say that tank that can side scrape. Which has unpenetratable upper plate is better then IS-3 which upper plate and lower plate all guns of the same tier can pen. You bring obj. 252U to the tier X and they still see the same penetratable armor profile as tier VII.

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distant river
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@candid steeple And most of the time you see the IS3 using depression as well, which makes the significantly smaller cupola even harder to hit. You literally have near no chance to pen an IS3 at all when it's hulldown.

Again, why the hell are you bringing the hull into this? And yes tier 10s see a gigantic lower plate and nice cupolas as well as tier 7s with a small autobounce area, what's the problem with that?

candid steeple
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@distant river so you think that obj. 252U is balanced tank and that its weaker then IS-3? Because you are just ignoring the big difference in the hull armor slanting and armor thickness.

Oh right btw obj. 252U has same dpm and pen as IS-3 but more damage per shot. Yeah skill needed while having that much armor. tank is designed to make person thing he has skill while driving foolproof armor.

teal palm
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It can sidescrape much better
The sides are thicker
Yes the lowerplate is weak but so is the is3’s hull
The cupolas on 252u while weak as pretty small and you can block them with the gun

distant river
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@candid steeple Would you rather shoot a 200mm effective plate or a 160mm effective plate? Would you rather face a completely impenetrable turret or one with cupolas? Idk why you think the small autobounce area suddenly makes it amazing and makes up for it's worse basically everything. The 252 is worse than the IS3, it's not a bad tank but it only has one advantage and it's not useful

@teal palm why not?

candid steeple
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@distant river if someone would ask me to face IS-3 or obj. 252U. I would always pick IS-3 over obj. 252U 10 out of 10. Difference is the ground and sky of how one thing is stronger then the other.

distant river
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20 more alpha is not a huge difference. And apparently you have to go back and read everything I've said again. The IS3 has more useful armour than the 252. And you still haven't given any reasons why the 252 is so much better apart from 20 alpha.

@teal palm 90mm vs 100mm isn't much better at sidescraping, and they both have autobounce plates on the side. The turret of the IS3 is much much stronger, and the 252s cupolas go across the whole turret you can't block them all.

I haven't even had to talk about the IS3s much better mobility and you still haven't come up with anything...

small sorrel
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?Whats the reason for nerfing chinese tanks? they are already bad tanks

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nocturne mauve
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What happened here? I thought the first few matches are tier 7 only and I got tier 8 in my first match

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coarse harness
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The changes on BH are pretty undewhelming tbh

candid steeple
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They nerf WZ line but not Vickers line.

@distant river You don't shoot the turret of 252 or IS-3 but only hull. And when you shoot hull on 252 you can pen only lower plate and if lower plate is concealed you are* while IS-3 hull is always pennable. And lower plate and top plate. And 252 has unpenable upper hull and when it sidescrape you can pen practically nothing on that thing while when IS-3 sides crapes you can pen its upper plate always. If IS-3 is that strong why do I almost never see it? And 2-3 years ago I would always see it? I really wonder why. But now after black friday everyone spams 252. i really wonder why but again once popular IS-3 you never see now. It must be because tank is so good.

dark pike
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vickers line got their turret armor nerfed hard, more specifically the whole turret face and mantlet of the CR went from 175mm to 127mm

mental depot
soft glen
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buff smasher

distant river
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@candid steeple If you aren't using the IS3 hulldown then it's no wonder you can't see how good it is. There are also only 12% more players in the 252 than the IS3, so you can take your biased personal view somewhere else. Relying on sidescraping is a very bad idea in the first place, and the IS3 still has much more useable armour as apparently I have to explain yet again, if you still don't get it after that then I'll just leave you in your ignorance.

If you are on open ground or on cover up to the height of the lowest black line, the hulls are about equal. The 252 is much weaker against low pen guns, the IS3 is weaker against high pen guns. This is an awful position that you should never be in.

If there is cover that is the exact height so it's between the two black lines, the 252 has better armour because of the upper plates.

Anything else, and the IS3s almost invincible turret makes it much better.

Now remember that you actually get to choose your position, and so if the IS3 does end up in the scenario where the 252 is better, all it has to do is move a couple of metres to the side of back down a hill and it's back to being invincible. As soon as you have a clue about positioning, the IS3 has more useful armour. (Oh and it's much more mobile too)

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indigo knot
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I prefer Wz112-2 over both.....due to more effective overall armour profile than 252u and Is3

Lowe is my most played t0nk lol....i got like around 3k battles to grind credits

sudden granite
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Lowe lol xd

candid steeple
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@distant river so you compared premium tank play rate with a tech tree tank. Premium tank has more players then IS-3. Lmao what an argument.

Btw IS-3 is not invincible any none stupid person will shoot He on the turret. IS-3 has weaker turret armor so HE will do some damage. 252 is everything fat armor.

Second of all. Go hulldown with only 5 degree of gun depression. Btw 252 hos 6 because why not. You are a heavy tank and where are you supposed to always find that sweet hulldown spot for your turret to be confy in there? Its a situational positioning.

Sidescraping is more likely thing that you will do and 252 is way better then IS-3. Ah right IS-3 is paper for higher tiers. 252 still has same pennable spots and unpennable.

I got no idea how you think that it's not OP tank. It's probably your wr fake buffer so you don't want people ot think that its overpowered. I honestly can't understand how you think that its not OP.

You know what. You are so dens on purpose. Conversation here is over. Think what you want. Have fun with your wallet.

@mental pasture :)

mental pasture
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Ok, so what if he want to have fun with his wallet?

teal palm
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IS-3 does have the better turret, I’ll agree with that
However about from that really the 252 has the upper hand. While the lowerplate is weak you only need about 210mm to pen the is3 without much problems in the case of the 252u you can just do this cool thing called sidescrape and bait a shot into the tracks. Both have the same pen but 252 has a worse reload and pro gun handling, not that’ll matter too much cause your not a TD
The IS-3 is quick but the 252 isn’t slow either
The format i did was trash oof

distant river
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@candid steeple Yes I did, and it proved that you were wildly exaggerating things, possibly on purpose possibly just because of your bias.

You get a maximum of 240 dmg going down to 40 if you don't hit right near the turret ring, and have fun trading when you take 4x more damage than you deal.

You can find plenty of positions hulldown with 5° of depression, like I said it takes some braincells which not everyone has but it's definitely possible.

Sidescraping is not something you should rely on seeing how you cannot shoot first, are in an awful position if you get flanked slightly, and are still exposed for high pen guns to butter you. A hulldown IS3 is near impenetrable no matter what you are up against (IS3 Vs IS4 HEAT with CS below) but the 252 will always be showing weakspots no matter what so it's just a liability.

You have still literally given no reason why it's op apart from having an autobounce plate while sacrificing almost everything else useful, but you still continue to cry that it's op. I'd like to think my WR isn't fake, and if I wanted to increase it there would be many other tanks I'd go to over the 252. If you can't think of any reasons why the 252 is apparently op then I suggest you don't even think about telling people it's op again 🤷‍♀️

@teal palm The front of the 22 is only better in the specific scenario I showed above, which can be negated my positioning. Sidescraping isn't something you should rely on, and the IS3 can do similar things. Unless you rely on tanks making up for personal lack of skills then you will want an impenetrable armour layout like the IS3, and you will always want the almost 25% better effective hp/t of the IS3

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teal palm
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Ok so 252u may not be op but I’d prefer to fight a is3 over a 252u. The overall angle of the hull is more troll in my experience of fighting both. IS3 just needs apcr and it’s ez meat, the UP on 252u means nothing will pen, also you’d be surprised at how good sidescraping actually works for 252u cause of better hull. IS-3 does have a strong turret that is a fact but I just checked, when 252 is using it’s gun depression the cupola are about 90% hidden from view meaning it also has a very strong turret
TLDR: 252U better than IS-3 overall lmao
There is a reason you don’t see everyone using IS-3s

candid steeple
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I gave up arguing. He only brags turret is stronger nothing else maters for a tank without a good gun depression.

People don't use IS-3 because it takes skill to no show your hull as an easy pen. But hull is a paper so everyone can pen it. While 252 doesn't care if you push on it. The moment you see IS-3 hull you can pen it.

I validate zero of your arguments until you stop comparing only turrets. Take hull into your broken armor section discrusion and we will see which tank then falls completly apart.

I am actaully bored to talk about this anymore. The density of this magnitude.

dense yoke
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So in the past IS7 has gotten Alot of nerfs, because of how good it was in past.
The only Buff it has gotten in recent years was that of heavy pool update.
There is alot of things that IS7 can be buffed at.
Like Prammo, turrets etc.
But i don't want a buff to be exact, but something wargaming has to fix about the IS7 and that is "Ammoracking".
Is7 is the most ammoracked tank
The amount of times i have been ammoracked is alot when compared to other tanks.
There are times where i could have carried my team, but i suddenly get ammoracked and it is very annoying. So i suggest to fix IS7 ammoracking to make it like others tanks.
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I can't be playing this game and get ammoracked by almost everyone.
Here will be an example of a place where IS7 gets ammoracked in:

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turbid smelt
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@dense yoke I have like 600 games in it
and I have been ammo racked thrice
you could just be too aggressive and unlucky

I never ran protective kit

had it since wg nerfed its medium mobility

coarse harness
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I don't even remember when was the last time I got an ammorack in the IS-7

distant river
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@teal palm People generally prefer to fight an IS3 because the average player is bad, and the 252s only use over the IS3 is making up for embarrassing mistakes which becomes irrelevant after you get a bit of skill, that's the reason you don't see people using IS3s as much as you should.

@candid steeple Can you write a message without attempting to call me dense or what? Like I said, the 252 is only useful if you make significant amounts of mistakes, which can be rectified very easily.

I actually find this pretty funny because this all started when you made the absurd claim the 252s turret was better than the IS3s, and now you are telling me to not talk about it lmao.

But anyway, you should play a tank to it's strengths. The IS3 has significant strengths, but the 252s only strength is making up for mistakes. If you want to balance tanks based around their weakest positions then you need to reconsider why you think that is a good idea. You only need to compare the turret because the hull of the IS3 shouldn't be shown, you have the mobility and gun to hold people at bay and nobody is going to pen you in your turret. But anyway, you clearly have no reasons why you think the 252 is op you are just hopping onto some grain of thought you saw from a YouTuber somewhere and taking it wayyy out of proportion, so I suggest next time you think long and hard individually instead of blindly taking someone else's viewpoint.

candid steeple
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@dense yoke if you think IS-7 gets ammoracked a lot you haven't played russian meds then. I run protective gear for ammorack. it gets blow up no matter what. I even had games where I get my T-44 ammorack blown up every third or second game from full hp because stupid T49 or high caliber td shot me.

teal palm
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I do have my reasons @distant river
A: I have 252U which I love
B: while I don’t have the IS-3 I have the next closest thing which is IS-3 Defender
Actually after the remodel the IS-3 has a slightly different hull but it’s close enough, 252u 100% has a better hull and is more forgiving.
I didn’t say 252u had a ~~ bigger~~ (bruh) better turret than is3 in fact I think I said earlier that the IS-3 has the bigger (again oof, it’s 2 am here I should get some sleep) turret and that’s a fact. I said the 252u also has a strong turret
Seriously you are getting annoying, the cupolas are a weak spot on 252 yes but their small and somewhat troll
As a heavy tank the 252u is more reliable
Also it has the same camo as a Dracula for whatever reason

distant river
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@teal palm The defenders turret model is very different and not near to the impenetrability of the IS3s, and the playstyle of the two tanks is very different. One is meant to out trade and one can hold a hulldown position near perfectly. 252s hull is better, except against low pen tanks which they meet fairly often. The 252s turret is smaller and still strong, but the cupolas are not that small especially for a Russian tank. You also have the turret roof which ricochets lots of shells straight into the cupolas as well, and the cupolas are not troll at all. The 252 is only more reliable if you can't use the IS3 properly, which is not something you should consider when balancing a tank. As long as you know how to pick a hulldown position and not expose your hull, the IS3 is a significantly better choice. You don't even have to worry about wiggling your turret so you can sit and aim every single shot in.

teal palm
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with -5 degrees of gun depression you don’t get to always use that good turret, I know the is3 and is3 defender are effectively completely different tanks but since I don’t have is3 so I had nothing else to compare to. Both 252 and is3 have the same aimtime, honestly the hull is straight up better, if you want hull down go get a T32.
Plus from MY experience the IS-3 is always easier to fight to the point I don’t really care if I’m in a tier 7

candid steeple
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@teal palm Exactly. If you push on IS-3 you pen it no matter what.

dense yoke
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@turbid smelt I have played a dozen of tanks, i've battled against alot of tanks, i have seen tanks get ammoracked, but the only tank that i have seen get ammoracked most is IS7. I have both seen and felt it.(T10).
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I have never seen IS4 get ammoracked the same amount of times as IS7. I have never seen IS4 get flamed as much as IS7 and it is annoying as hell.
Whenever there is a Damn tank aiming at the weak spot in image, there would be always a dam chance of me getting ammoracked in IS7 and that dam place is in the image above/below.
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Last game i had a 2.2k hp and there was few tanks that were in game. Those tanks had hp that went under 1000~. I got myself ready to do a carry. i was about to shoot a vk72 which had 1000 hp. Suddenly it ammoracks me. (same spot) Then i can other dozen of moments of me getting ammoracked.
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IS7 has alot of things holds it to become an OP as hell tank and that is Premium ammo, rear of turret, frontal turret (while other tanks using prammo), deg depression (others), but all of these issus are workable. But than there is something SO BIG that holds IS7 back in the line and that is "ammoracking".
The only thing you can do to stop this is run provisions that help you with this and that would raise your IS7 reload speed by a bit (, and i don't want to affect my IS7 reload speed) . You could always not that spot, while sidescraping/hulldown. But sometimes you will have to show it while moving to a spot or facehugging other tanks.

And i see that being annoying! i don't see any IS4, E100, MAUS or anyT10 tanks going to all that length, just to decrease the chance of getting ammoracked. So why does IS7 have to go through all that trouble, while facing other problems in the tank itselfSo you either Fix IS7 ammoracking spots or make it so other tier 10 tanks face the same problem that IS7 has.

@candid steeple In Tier 10, IS7 reigns as the king of getting ammoracked and i find it unfair to why he is the king there.

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distant river
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With -5° you have to use your head to get hulldown, which is too difficult for many people in the playerbase. The IS3 isn't really comparable to the def in this sense so it's a bit pointless. The 252 can and will get penetrated if it tries to stay still when hulldown and so constantly has to wiggle to make that less likely, while the IS3 doesn't at all and so can hit much more reliably. The T32 doesn't have the gun or the impenetrable turret yet again, and the IS3 has a much lower profile which benefits it a lot as well. Your experience is biased and not really meaningful, so has no effect on the IS3 being a better tank than the 252.

@candid steeple You push on an IS3 and you have taken so much damage you can do barely anything to it unless they are in a bad position, which again isn't a situation you should take into account. You push on a 252 and know how to aim ever so slightly you pen it as reliably as an IS3 anyway...

@mental depot Look at the stats, the 252s gun is practically the same apart from 20 alpha, IS3s mobility is significantly better as you said, and then you only have the armour which is in favour of the IS3 unless you plan on making big mistakes. That doesn't make the 252 better at all. And I try to be as unbiased as possible just looking at the tanks characteristics and providing accurate data, whereas most other people just seem to be able to say "252 op ha ha" and nothing else.

teal palm
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The armour on the hull is much better meaning you can play a slightly more relaxed style cause you can use it more like a normal HT the only bit of armour the IS-3 bits the 252 is in the turret
The upper parts of the 252u are angle making it troll in close combat
It still has the black hole spaced armour while having thicker sides
Weak lowerplate but it trades for better sides/upper hull compared to the is3 hull which turns into butter against premium
The guns are similar
Is3 is a lot faster but you trade a lot of armour for it
Plus because of the weak gun depression on is3 you won’t get to use it because either the map might not have a good spot, the teams went a different way, you team kills the enemy too fast.
252U is more consistent compared to IS-3 and in most cases better
I’m speaking from experience from fighting both a lot
Exactly as the guy below me said
It isn’t smasher op but it’s better than is3
Oh and defender gets -7 so you get to use the gun/turret more often
I ain’t jumping on a bandwagon cause I’m speaking from experience and I have one of them

mental depot
# distant river With -5° you have to use your head to get hulldown, which is too difficult for m...

According to ur theory yes hull down situation is3 is better but what about overall match and situations ...we will be never in a same positions there might be some situation where we can not be in hull down forever and except that poisition is3 is poor in armor in every aspects than obj...in a overvall battle obj is more reliable than is3 which would definitely made a better choice
252 is not OP like smashers BUT is definitely better than is3

nocturne mauve
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Object 252u and smasher are overrated, they’re not “broken” as everyone thinks. You’ve been indoctrinated by YouTubers

teal palm
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Smasher IS broken
252u isn’t broken, just very good
Mainly cause of the reload pen alpha and ridiculous gun handling

dark pike
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252u is overrated, smasher isnt

candid steeple
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This guy has to take IS-3 and fight against 252. When 252 kicks his butt he wont have any argument anymore. Gold and IS-3 irrelevant. Gold and you still see same pennabale spots on 252.

And hah you just providing data. You are comparing IS-3 in the most perfect position that it can get itself too and then compare it with 252. While ignoring 252 hull superiority and saying that its slightly weaker.

Hear me out on this one. Who shoots IS-3 turret or 252 turret? Who? You? You sure? They both have inpenetratable turrets. Slight disadvantage doesn't mean that turret WEAK it's still too strong. You don't shoot those tanks in the turret. How BIASED are you about 252. A bit of less armor doesn't mean that its a bad turret.

This is pain to read at this point. Nitpicking LMAO.

full token
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Lol if you think the 252U turret is impenetrable you need to face one. The hatches are kinda easy to hit it hull down or face hugging you. The IS3 is really hard to pen in the turret

distant river
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@teal palm The hull armour is not much better. The turret is by far the most important part of armour because you have to expose that every shot you put out. The 252 has to worry about getting hit back, the IS3 doesn't. You are extremely exaggerating how much difference autobounce plates tight above a gigantic paper plate, and right below a weaker turret make. The sides are comparable with the IS3 losing our slightly, and the extra speed means a lot. And again you are back to assuming that the IS3 player is awful and needs the tank to make up for bad decisions, which is the only thing the 252 is useful for. It's also irrelevant for how good a tank is. Consistency is not relying on rng and mistakes like the 252, it is relying on an impenetrable turret like the IS3 so you have them the wrong way round. Again your individual experience means nothing, especially if you ignore the facts of the characteristics.

@mental depot Like I've said you are back to relying on mistakes and rng again, which is not the makings of a good tank. You can position yourself in hulldown almost constantly. In a battle the 252 is more useful, but if and only if you make significant amounts of mistakes. It's a better choice until you can play competently, then it's equal. As soon as you can play well, the 252 loses almost everything.

@candid steeple If you are talking about a 1v1 then do everyone a favour and stop talking here, 1v1s show nothing. 252 turret is far from impenetrable, but the IS3s is not, and it's reasonable to assume the IS3 can find a hulldown position. The 252s hull only becomes useful when you make a mistake or a bad decision. The 252s turret isn't bad, it's only above average. The IS3s turret is the best at tier 8 by far, and in comparison the 252s is paper.

unique scaffold
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Annihilator is to powerful

nocturne mauve
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Smasher isn’t broken. It has common weaknesses of a heavy such as poor mobility and being tall, which can be used against it in battle

Good luck penning with standard ammo most of the time

teal palm
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If the IS-3 is so long (idk how I did that) how come I’ve nearly never hear or see it
In a face hug the 252 isn’t as strong as IS-3 especially against taller tanks but from my experiences and results the 252U is just more consistent and reliable
No good having a strong turret if the hull than sucks, and let’s be real, it’s hard getting a good spot to use -5 degrees of gun depression where you can also shoot the enemy.
Smasher makes up in the firepower department
*typos
I’m get some sleep now, you keep dreaming about IS-3 being better than 252u cause until is3 gets a buff I’ll consider 252u as just better more often

distant river
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How many times to I have to say that personal experiences are worthless? I could tell you that the 30b and the IS7 are broken op because I can average over 70% WR in them over a significant number of solo battles, but that isn't true at all is it?

And yes having a strong turret and a weak hull is extremely useful that's literally the best combination of armour without being completely impenetrable... 🤦‍♂️

teal palm
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Wait so you are saying that it doesnt matter how strong the tanks are in a actual game?
Personal experience is important in telling you know……how strong a tank really is seriously, that was one of the dumbest things I’ve heard
In that case I’ll claim that T32 is better tier for tier than E5 because it has a better turret,
Seriously plain stats and shapes mean nothing until it’s on the battlefield
No it doesn’t matter that you can pen the cupola cause personal experience doesn’t matter
Smasher isn’t op It’s armour is weak “personal experience doesn’t matter”
The T110
Fv 183 is op cause of the damage. “personal experience doesn’t matter”
Annihilator isn’t op because because the lowerplate is weak
“Personal experience doesn’t matter”
My personal experience is how tough the armour is
And constantly the IS-3 has the weaker hull
BUT a much harder turret
@frosty oriole read the other messages and it’ll make sense
Ik the 183 isn’t great cause I have it

mental pasture
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Which E5 you're talking about? T26E5 or T110E5?

Tbh I agree that T32 armor looks better in tier 8 than T110E5 armor in tier 10. But I kinda feel much more comfortable to play in E5 because it's cannon and HEAT pen.

distant river
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Personal experience is biased, unfounded, and depends entirely on the individual. That is completely different to it's performance in an actual game. There is literally no link there at all. Personal experience means nothing because individuals do not represent the whole playerbase. Try understanding what I say before saying something completely ridiculously wrong and embarrassing yourself. @teal palm

Your personal experience is completely biased by your own performance, the opponents performance and scenarios specific to your battle. That is not the tanks performance. 🤦‍♂️

full token
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Fv183 being broken due to its alpha is a common topic... Idk how you don’t know

frosty oriole
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fv183 is broken, but not OP

its only redeeming mechanic is the one that everyone hates the 183 for and its the only reason why people play the tank, but its not OP because literally everything else is terrible

candid steeple
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Umm theres a spot on IS-3 turret that's effective armor is 225mm. Load gold and everything goes trough. So because you are not counting rng doesn't it render IS-3 turret ussles then? Since your 252 turret is so much weaker but turret cheeks are 250+mm with one small spot that is 200mm.

And that about personal experience is the dumbest thing that I have ever seen. So personal experience is nothing compared to player base. So players don't have their personal experience and opinion of more people matter more then just one person. I see here few guys that are saying that you are wrong and I see no one here aproving your arguments. SO it makes us more that think differently then you. Doesn't this then make your opinion irrelevant? I mean you just made yourself proven wrong heh.

Btw I mention 1v1 and you say that I have been talking this entire time just about 1v1 while I was mentioning hull and side scraping. Oh my dear honestly we should stop arguing, this guy is flipping every single thing just to make it sound convinient for his arguments.

teal palm
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EXACTLY
If personal experience is useless than why are we talking about about how bad the IS-3 is anyway?
If personal experience didn’t matter than why do some people naturally prefer some tanks over other tanks
If personal experience didn’t matter than we wouldn’t have a #tank-balance-discussion
Cause anything we say is biased or meaningless
Jez
If personal experience didn’t matter you wouldn’t be talking about the IS-3
@distant river
@full token probably
I’m going to stop wasting brain cells over this cause it’s 3:38am here so I should have gone to sleep about 5 hours ago

full token
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You’ve wandered so far from whatever he said 😂

austere citrus
oak horizon
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after play a few games in fcm i think it really need a good buff a Leo of tier 7 just win me because he have beter armor and better all

distant river
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@teal palm If you use stats (as I have done throughout) then it is not biased, if you just say "nah it's better" (as other people have done throughout) then it is meaningless.

@candid steeple The 225mm "weakspot" can easily be blocked by the gun, and the grille (most accurate gun in the game) need to be 15m away and fully aimed in to hit it. Statistical impossibilities are not worth talking about, but statistic likelihoods (like hitting the 252s cupolas/lower plate) are worth talking about.

Oh so personal experience isn't useless? Tell me why the T-34-2 isn't the most broken tank in the game by far. I can get 75% WR in it solo over 125 games, so it must be broken. See how my experience is not translatable to everyone else's? See how me saying that I don't see the 252s armour as being good is useless until I can demonstrate using the tanks characteristics? Proof by authority is meaningless btw so don't even go there, proof by stats is not meaningless. I have showed all of you the stats, and you have responded by saying "nah it's good because if you drive in the open you get lucky bounces". I never said that you were talking about a 1v1 the whole time at all, I suggested that trying to base anything on a 1v1 was useless and that you shouldn't go there, try reading things carefully. @candid steeple

@full token The funniest thing is that it was originally about why the IS3s turret is nowhere near weaker than the 252s which he is now admitting lmao

mental pasture
teal palm
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Ok here is my TLDR for why 252u is better
The hull is easier to use
The turret is still very strong and can watch some people out (this is tier 8 where most players ain’t too smart)
The gun is nice although lacking in DPM
The speed is still good
The pike nose is so long that when sidescraping when surprisingly you do a lot in a heavy, its still strong
TLDR again:
252u is easier to use than IS-3

versed tide
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First off after reading some of this 252u has better armor and is way more competitive is3 just is lacking in the armor and the rest is ok but there is no reason to use it in tourneys while 252u will be able to act like a strong hold for your team that will rarely be penned on n the turret while is3 is just can’t do that so it becomes a support heavy but there are many other support heavies out there that are better so in competitive 252u has a massive advantage compared to is3

distant river
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Easier to use is not better. The 252 is easier to use, because it just makes up for mistakes while sacrificing useful things. The IS3 has a lot more useful characteristics, and so is better.

Hull is unreliable on both
Turret is better on IS3
Gun is equal
Mobility is better on IS3
Sidescraping is slightly better for 252, but sidescraping is an unreliable tactics in the first place unless you are in a something like a maus.

Therefore IS3 is better, but harder to use. Simple.

@versed tide Tourneys aren't randoms, and IS3 can hold a position much better than a 252 on randoms. In tourneys everything is different, so dont bother starting that discussion.

versed tide
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Ok first I have a idea of what I am talking about so first finding a spot for is3 is way harder because the hull is weak so only turret can be exposed so 5° of gun depression doesn’t help plus mobility in n 252u is also pretty good just being slightly out classed by it and it is still good but not better by any means better than 252u the lack of hull armor makes it far less flexible. Also 252u is completely reliable while side scraping and is better in comp

full token
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It’s easier to find a spot to hide the hull than to find a spot to hide the turret and only show the hull. The 252U has weakspots on the turret and a significant one on the hull, that allows low pen tanks to pen there. If you can get both tanks hulldown, which isn’t that hard because even with 5° there are ways to get your gun down (finding areas of the ground that tilt the gun down), your IS3 will be impenetrable but that 252u won’t. You have to depend on that RNG for people to not hit the cupola, but for the IS3 there’s no need to depend on rng

distant river
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Finding a hulldown spot isn't hard, and it's a significant mobility difference of almost 25% hp/t. By less flexible you actually mean forgiving when you make mistakes, so it's back to what tank is easier to play. The IS3 is more flexible due to its mobility. The 252 is not reliable when sidescraping because no matter what you still have the cupolas and you are vulnerable to being pushed. I said don't talk about tourneys here because it's irrelevant as well btw @versed tide

As said above, the IS3 is almost perfect when you get it right, you just need some skill to get it right.

turbid smelt
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@dense yoke idk mate, I have been ammo racked in leopard pta and tiger I before

I don't generally get ammoracked because I run double repair kits
and always assess my situation before using any of the repair kits

I have ammo racked Maus, Is4, T110E5, Jg Pz e100 and soviet meds before, so I don't think is7 is bad because you got unlucky

is7 at the moment is fine tank, I sometimes play it, sure it may not be something stupid like is4 or good like e5 but it works

versed tide
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Fair point but who cares about a small weak point in the hull. The entire hull on is3 can be penned so who cares and those weak spots on 252 are still very hard to hit and you guys are definitely overstating how easy it is to hit them. There is a reason I have blocked 6k dmg in my 252u. It is not just easier to use but can do more things plus as I said it is never going to be used in comp and I know you don’t care but there are reasons for it like the ones I have said. @distant river @full token

sudden path
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If I have to roll out 7 is3s or 7 252us I'm taking 252us because they can side scrape and hull down. The is 3 is way underrated, and a great player can do well in it, but when we define greatness as how much better a player does in that tank compared to other tanks the is3 doesn't come close. The 252u can make 40 percenters play like 50 percenters. The is3 will amplify the noobiness.
TlLDR:Looking at relative winrate tells us that 252u is much better than is3
I love how everytime the 252u gets sold we always get into debates about whether or not its op

distant river
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Why. Is everyone. Using "I can do this in it" and "I find this when I fight them" today???? When holding a position sidescraping the IS3 is as good as the 252, and everywhere else except in the open the IS3 is better. You should never be in the open in them anyway. The cupolas make a huge difference, because in one tank you can sit hulldown aiming every single shot up taking as much time as you like taking nothing back, and in the other you have to constantly wiggle and still pray you get lucky. Again, reasons for playing a tank in comp are very different to playing a tank in randoms.

@sudden path IS3 hulldown is significantly better, and you don't understand how to use the WRs from blitzstars I assume. Anyway 40%ers performance in it doesn't make it a good tank. You define greatness in one way, but you completely forget that the 252 drags down good players WR which is the part that matters, whereas the IS3 pushes it up a bit.

versed tide
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I am not saying is3 is bad but it’s worse than 252u and again there weak points are all small and bringing your gun up already makes it harder for you to hit them and 252u while it’s got troll and amazing armor it does lack on the dpm and gun handling department but it’s still a little cracked also 252u can also be not hulldown and bounce shots something a is3 can’t do you can pen the turret in certain places on is3 with prammo and the tank only has mobility and more dpm there is nothing better than that other than a slightly better turret there is a reason that it has a better wr

dense yoke
# turbid smelt <@261568434196709377> idk mate, I have been ammo racked in leopard pta and tiger...

IS7 is the most ammoracked tier 10.
You can get ammoracked in other tier 10 tanks, but IS7 is the highest ammoracked tank in tier 10. I am not sure about if its the most ammoracked tank in this game.
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IS7 got nerfed the most, but everything about the tank itself is workable. making it a tank.
I don't see it fair that IS7 is the most ammoracked while having to deal with other crappy stuff it has.
IS4 is just so unfair

Having more dpm, better pen (gold), 42 km/h, better hull/lowerplate armor, better turret and while being less ammoracked than IS7
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IS7 has worse DPM, worse pen (gold), 50+ km/h worse hull/ armor, worse turret, while having bigger lowerplate than IS4, while being more ammoracked than IS4/ANY TANK.
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If someone says size matters in ammorack situations:
If sized mattered then Maus/E100 would be more the kings of getting ammoracked than IS7, but its not
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The bias against IS7 is just friked and its annoying.

In my humble opinion: IS7 has earned the fact that it needs to get FIXED ammorack chances/rate (and should have same ammorack rate as other tier 10/IS4) and a new ammorack posistion. Because people remember where IS7 ammorack posistion. (Which you will find bottom/top)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502016925405151234/779733081983942656/unknown.png

turbid smelt
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I think balance department is somewhat keeping is7 comparable to its irl prototype

they do this sort of weird thing

is7 is fine, it doesn't need buff unless you wants its meta back

I do however think is4 roof weak spot should be reverted back to 30 or 40mm like it used to in older days

other heaviums should get track traverse nerfed
especially e5
full kitted out e5 can get 50°\s traverse momentarily

sudden path
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@distant river when bad players over perform I think its op. Any tank can be good when a great player plays it.

winged barn
distant river
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The reason it has better WR is the people playing it, as you would be able to tell from the graphs on blitzstars if you knew how to read them properly. The trollness of the armour means it is unreliable, and so not useful to good players. The IS3s turret is almost entirely impenetrable, and the 252s is not. The dpm is also the same, so please go look up some facts before saying anything else@versed tide

versed tide
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Ok if the dpm is the same that gives 252 one more advantage I thought is3 had more and what I meant by troll was that side armor BS that most Russian tanks have and the hull and turret are reliable just sometimes they hit the weak spot which is still hard to hit in the end 252 u is far more reliable than is3 because it fills more roles while is3 is only good for hulldown and sometimes side scraping also that 252u drags down WR what I have 67% in it

distant river
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The hull of the 252 is not reliable at all, and the turret is significantly weaker than the IS3s, as well as having much poorer mobility. The IS3 is better unless you want to sit in the open
(It's almost as if I've said this before, oh wait I have)

Stop. Talking. About your own. Stats and experiences. Omg.

IS3 can hulldown reliably while 252 cannot, and sidescraping is not a reliable tactic anyway.

jagged crescent
dense yoke
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@turbid smelt I didn't ask for A gold pen buff, Not a turret buff, not even to get its old seed back. I didn't ask for any of these buffs, but i IS7 can you 1 of these buffs. I only asked them to Readjust the ammorack posistion, chances/rates of it. It won't make IS7 broken at all. It will make IS7 only live longer, while it will give (chance) its role of being The king of being ammoracked to a tier 10 tank that is hopfully not itself.

sudden path
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I guess here's my final thoughts before I leave this debate. The is3 can be played to a much higher skill cap, like a Lorraine. But like a lorraine, when played incorrectly, it isn't good. The 252u has a much higher skill floor and a lower skill ceiling. So bad players will play ok on the 252u and bad in the is3, and great players will play amazing in the is3 and good in the 252u. Although on the 252us turret, its somewhere around the is5 turret, better than the is6 but much worse than the is3.

unique scaffold
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Is 3 cheeks are pennable tho

candid steeple
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I need this guy to explain why hull has troll armor. He brushes that off and sees it as a good enough argument. Upper plate is inpenetratable while lover plate is pennable. I don't see what is there a troll armor or a lucky bounce? IS-3 is a troll hull armor because upper plate when facing forward and vigling is a tricky shots to pen but it all goes out of the window when you load the gold. While 252 upper hull is always inpenetratable.

Actually it's borring to even argue. Everyone is now trying to explain to him that he is wrong but he just keeps ignoring it all and just keeps repeating same thing about the turret like a parrot thinking that it's the only important thing in the world.

@unique scaffold I know. We all know. He doesn't.

karmic portal
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@distant river curious about one thing, I didn’t see any is3s in summer cup but I saw many 252us. How come?

versed tide
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That’s what I have been trying to point out the hull is reliable ffs let me show you over 300mm of armor and is3 cheeks are pennable and everything is else is only slightly better except for mobility. turret CAN BE PENETRATED ON IS3 and hull armor is butter while 252u hull will almost never be penned I don’t see what is unreliable about it @distant river @karmic portal because it has a better hull same gun good hull down and decent mobility

candid steeple
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Btw IS-3 has only 3 km/h more then 252 of speed and he calls it as a better mobility pf.

versed tide
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Bruh the power to weight is only 1 better what is this “25% better mobility” I took off any attachment on my 252u that changes speed btw @distant river

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candid steeple
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I had games where my tank would just continue going forward or continuosly rotate in one place without reacting to my controls. And sometimes my ping would be 60 but game would lag like crazy.

frosty oriole
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i dont see the problem with that game, what's the issue?

@versed tide only 3? 😂

brittle shuttle
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Hi

versed tide
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Lol

full token
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@jagged crescent I think it’s because they want the Hellcat to have a better gun and mobility at the expense of paper armor, and the Jackson to have a weaker gun with better armor (like the rest of its line), and worse mobility

polar stag
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These guys arguing about hulldown tank vs troll armor tank instead of arguing just get the wz 112 2 it has good frontal and side armor while also having a really good turret maybe not as good as the is3 but u get the best of both worlds. Also consider the fact that the wz 112 2 has like heat resistant armor above the tracks. Have fun lol.

candid steeple
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Ye its dumb that WZ lower plate needs a gold of tier VII to pen it. Quite unfair if you ask me. But I am bored for a discussion just alright don't care.

versed tide
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112-2 upper plate can be penned with prammo if not angeled correctly also what is the troll tank

austere citrus
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I just bought the 183 afer free xping and selling some tanks and yes, it's OP. Or the HESH shells at least. the regular 930 alpha is okay but the 1300 alpha is broke.

sullen jolt
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almost like a tier 10 KV2@austere citrus

candid steeple
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Nah KV-2 got He pen nerfed. That tank is not worth playing anymore. Before you could HE Tiger side but you can no longer. My 66% wr tank with 500-600 battles. I haven't played it since they nerfed HE.

But its fair that Smasher has old pen on HE. WG balance in a nut shell.

FV using hesh on tier IX med is a crime. No tank is not fair.

karmic portal
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@candid steeple yeah it’s not that good anymore, you can use ap in those situations and it’s not that bad, but it’s not the same

All the he pen nerf did was make the kv2 weaker against heavys cause it can still pen lights so I don’t see why they did it

versed tide
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183 is balanced sure you get that 1300 dmg but you are completely defenseless other wise

austere citrus
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i mean the HESH pen is the only unique factor. I think the tank is balanced.

scarlet fjord
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I believe Leopard 1 needs -10 degrees
since STB has armor plus more depression
granted no mobility DPM and less pen but armor is incredibly important which makes the tank called by many top players best tier 10 med
@full token very true but last time i tried something else i got attacked and they said it would be op
which definitely isn't true
i think it needs HEP and AP rounds instead of APCR on standard ammo

full token
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9 works well. I’d rather buff something else

karmic portal
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Give Leo 1 a mantlet that bounces and make it op lol

winged barn
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Leo 1 is fine. There is 0 room for error, but the gun is very op.

hardy hazel
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Big alpha, smoll brian
I dont think its op, it has a good gun but paper armor

lunar niche
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400 alpha with higher pen. Make it a mini Grille.

dense yoke
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Leopard 1 is the best sniping td at tier 10
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We could give it more gun depression or more alpha
Honestly, I have no idea what to buff on it
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We could mabye give it good gun manlet. that make shells that goes there just bounces

karmic portal
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Give Leo 1 reactive armor

frosty oriole
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2 shot magazine? :o

full token
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With an intraclip that’s half as much as the current reload?

sinful leaf
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These buffs would literally make Grille 15 irrelevant compared to leo lmao

jagged crescent
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I’d go for a camo buff then

winged barn
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._. Yall are causing me pain.

versed tide
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Stb is slower had less dpm less standard pen gun handling but more armor why does Leo need buff?

austere citrus
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because dpm doesnt matter if u have no armor. For example, Kranvagn, has like thre trashiest DPM but pretty armor. DPM shouldnt be defining factor.

coarse harness
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The problem with dpm is you actually need some skill to use it well

winged barn
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Kranvagn stores its dpm, making it have a very good effective dpm.

Autoreloaders being brought into a discussion about raw dpm. Lol.

versed tide
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Buff the alpha to 400 or 440 keep dpm make so it can trade like on pc for Leo or something it’s a good tank just need to learn how to use it

drowsy plaza
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Leo’s problem is the fact it is an odd duck in these maps. The Vickers can spot better than it - and the Leo needs to act like a TD early to save HP.

regal grove
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yes make the leo have a 122 or even a 130mm gun with the accuracy and aim time it has

nimble zodiac
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The mans literally suggested people learn how to use a tank because it's good... after suggesting a buff

@drowsy plaza you know what? Why not make it a light? The Vickers is much more effective in armor, I agree

austere citrus
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this is what they should do, cut the leo's DPM by a bit, buff the camo by a fair amount, give it some nice alpha, this is fictional game so leo should get a nice big gun

drowsy plaza
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The question is why play the Leo 1 at this point. You want mobility and view range run the Vickers. You can get effectively the Leo gun and DPM in the T-62A only losing mobility and gaining a decent turret

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Make the Leo 1 a light.

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Problem solved

karmic portal
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400 alpha on it would be cool ngl. Scary but cool

drowsy plaza
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Seriously right now the Leo 1 and PTA are totally outclassed for anything but the Leo can win a 1:1 against most lights and Meds easily.

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So make it a light. The camo on the move will help it reposition

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Rather than trying to stick some oddball gun into it.

lunar niche
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@drowsy plaza Making Leopard a light, what about panzerwagen? Pretty sure WG will bring it, either as a tech tree or as a collector in the near future.

candid steeple
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Yeah medium that can trade same with heavy tanks. Good job people that sounds really fair!!

Btw keeping the same dpm and increasing the damage just makes a tank easier to play.

@winged barn yeah but that's what WZ-121 is all about. And WZ-121 dpm is limited by its bad gun depression.

winged barn
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@candid steeple you do realize the 121 is a tank that exists, right?

Leopard 1 needs no buffs. It does just fine.

dense yoke
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Leopard is best td at tier 10.
I am pretty sure tanks (rl) are classed because of their weight.
Like a jagdtiger is classed as a super heavy tank destroyer or something along those lines.
Just nerf its dpm to 3900 and buff camo or even gun manlet to make it a sorta like predator. Or another fantastic idea is just to leave it alone

austere citrus
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Imagine Leo 1 with 122/130mm(420/460 Alpha) but cut down DPM and a buffed Camo. Basically a TD that has bad armor but has a decent gun, decent dpm, and good camo. Fictional game right?

safe rapids
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Naw, I'd give the Leo a more powerful 105. 390/330/500 alpha, make the reload longer. The Leo can now outtrade opponents despite being paper, since really all it has is speed and DPM.

candid steeple
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I sens big med bias here.

drowsy plaza
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Leo fails at out trading when a red can HE pen.

winged barn
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Mmmm
Check out the new unbalancing changes on blitzhangar.

Jackson got some serious hate

The chinese tank that least needed a buff got one. Brilliant

drowsy plaza
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Patton and M60 got some love.

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The Chinese mobility changes are interesting. Fairly minor

austere citrus
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LOL they are nefing WZ-120 which sucks, and WZ-110 which mobility already sucks, and buffing amazing tanks like the t-34-1. What are these balancing ideas???

drowsy plaza
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Very minor changes.

karmic portal
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Curious, the vickers cr now has its weakest part of the mantlet and turret as 254mm, which might be enough to stop medium tank shells. I’m curious what the enhanced armor would do. If it’s just 0.04% increase to thinkness it gets to be 264mm, maybe stopping some heavy tank ap rounds that aren’t using calibrated

twilit crystal
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No one actually trades in a medium with a heavy unless its a stock conqueror lol

drowsy plaza
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@twilit crystal I see it all the time.

candid steeple
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So they are just buffing armor on everything. Chineze tanks which suck get nerfs and chineze premium which is opresive gets a buff. Good job WG never dissapoints. Hellcat is will have too much dpm. I already got 64% wr on hellcat. After the buff that thing will be nuts. Why not just nerf what is broken in tier VII and not make a tier VI hell hole for tier V now. I think that WG is going too far with trying to mask their incompetence.

(569 games on hellcat btw so I got my opinion)

drowsy plaza
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@candid steeple the only premiums that got buffed where the M60 and T-2020.

austere citrus
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They should buff COnqueror turret because tier 7s can pen a tier 9 turret.

grim briar
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i think the 4202 turret should be buffed a bit at least give it a chance to hold a ridge vs other lights and meds

full rivet
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The Smasher, and Annihilator desperately need nerfed in Tier 7, makes Tier 7 and 6 unplayable

drowsy plaza
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4202 would be massive Op with turret armor.

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It doesn’t need to hold. It just Zips up and snaps HESH into people.

ancient iron
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Please leave Emil 1 the way it is... tech tree (free for all to play) needs a tank that can hold its own. Plus players that sit in front of Emil deserve to get ripped to shreds.

austere citrus
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They should buff 4202 HESH from 440 to 515. Sounds kind of broken but I don't think it would be. This would make the fire power more insane but keep the same old bad turret. Maybe a small nerf to reload as well to make it more fair. Since tank is also quite slow for a medium. @dense yoke I don't even like the 4202. I am just proposing an idea so we stop getting 4202 complaints @fiery dagger I said slow compared to a medium tank.

dense yoke
fiery dagger
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@austere citrus
First of all. No.
It sounds not just kind of broken.
Nerfing the reload is stupid, because you got a average-nice dpm with standard rounds as well, which you need just as many times as hesh.
And lastly, it's definitely not slow. Acceleration is top-tier, and max speed may not be the best, but you constantly travel at max speed.
And for an initial tought. If you're ridgeline peeking, the upper glacis on the turret becomes impenetratable for meds, leaving rushed or late shots to bounce off.

frosty oriole
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jeez they could seriously do some more justice than changing 3.0 intraclip to 2.8 xd

fiery dagger
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Frankly, even that 0.4 overall intraclip decrease means, that you'll be able to dish out your clip in 5.6s instead of 6.0s, gaining an advantage over the average 6.2s medium reload, so you won't get shot twice if you're careful and fast enough.

@austere citrus
Sigh. Obiviously not the T62 or the Leo 1.
I'm talking about an average 105 medium, or the wz-121

austere citrus
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pretty sure 62a has 5.[something] reload depending whether u use GR or CS

sinful leaf
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@austere citrus 5.6 with CS

candid steeple
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Had 40% wr at the beggining. I guess I fixed it now. IS ain't bad. Its just that Tiger Smasher and Annihilator outclass it :/ Hmm worng link xD Sad you cant edit the picture

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candid steeple
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@nimble zodiac I didn't even know waht T-2020 is. huh 2k dpm and not that bad armor. Small lower plate. I mean its a good tank but good old 252 outclasses it. People are crying because of the turret right?

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nimble zodiac
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You're not helping your argument by posting your stats. I could post my stats in the T-2020 but they won't accept it as a good tank

OH MY GOODNESS THEY'RE BUFFING MY PRECIOUS BABY FROM 130mm TO 140mm :O

Well, and the sides from 80mm to 100mm

hardy hazel
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I go agains heavys because i cant do that well vs other mediums most of the time or just because there are more meds/lights in the enemy team than in my team. Also im used to fight heavys because i used to spam heavys as a noob so, yeah, thats why

austere citrus
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still no point to buy T-2020 when 252U is cheaper, better effective armor, better side armor, faster, more alpha, and just better.

candid steeple
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Because 252 is broken.

nimble zodiac
#

T-2020 has a more accurate gun, better speed (of course), much better shell velocity, it's not outclassed completely, but it performs as a better support heavy

unique scaffold
#

Tbh the accuracy on 2020 doesn’t matter as much since it’s still absolute paper to everyone plus the shell velocity is a bit irrelevant when IS5 also has great velocity is cheaper and better protected

nimble zodiac
#

Upper hulls will be nearly the same effectiveness after 7.5, about 226-227mm with AP near the center, and T-2020, despite lacking a pike side, will be 20mm more thick in 7.5. Of course IS-5 has a much more solid turret, but T-2020 can get many more bounces now, especially if the driver chooses the good ol wiggle strat

jagged crescent
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The m60 and m48 buffs are pretty tight

minor minnow
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Ngl with the buffs the M48 got it’s looking kinda fresh ngl...

hearty steeple
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Yes. Looking forward to the fatton buff. Not sure why m60 got turret and ufp buff. But i guess its ufp isn't as rounded as fatton so now it is just as effective. The cheeks are still just as big as well but very low tier 9 pen won't go through atleast.

sinful leaf
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Bruh.

hardy hazel
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I want to ask, the gun mantlet in the cr is because the 105mm gun or the tank is like that by default?
I dont know because i get the top gun with free exp while grinding credits to buy it

winged barn
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@hardy hazel the mantlet is always present

jagged crescent
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<@&481447501690568709> resolved

bold dagger
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k

dawn karma
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I'm I the only one whos bouncing 152mm and 183mm on my Bc?

jagged crescent
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<@&481447501690568709> resolved again

quick lichen
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.kick

turbid smelt
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@dawn karma nope but it is rare for me, i don't get hit by them

flat bane
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First time I saw iRaik respond 😂

untold tinsel
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Nerf Annihilator

winged rune
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prob not happening cuz they dont nerf premiums

mental pasture
winged rune
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yeah youre right. Even a slight nerf to the smasher or annihilator could be cool. Reload nerfs seem reasonable.

pine jetty
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WG is never nerfing the smasher

frosty oriole
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nerf reload to maybe 18 seconds, so basically it keeps everything everyone "loves" about the smasher but makes it just a bit more vulnerable

candid steeple
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Lmao Annihilator's counter is another heavy tank. IS eats Annihilator alive.

Annihilator ain't even close of how busted Smasher is. Honestly Smasher would have been way less busted if gold wasn't 250mm but 200mm.

unique scaffold
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jg pz E100 has the biggest gun in the game . Should be the most devastating one but it’s even worse than the previous techtree beast jagdtiger , to balance it the rate of fire should be a little quicker . My findings are to make it simular strong at least . Also the thinner armor plates makes frontal confrontation of both 1 vs 1 more a win for jagttiger

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Jag tiger is more focused on DPM while jag is more focused on holding flanks buffing its RoF is a terrible idea and of course jag will win in a 1v1 it literally has 3,6k+ dpm

teal palm
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I’m sorry but the one HT the Annihilator can kill the easiest that isn’t tier 6 is the IS
Also jpze100 doesn’t have the biggest gun in the game. It’s the fv 183
Jag pz e100 is better IMO tho cause the gun can actually hit something

real bison
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Yeah nah, the JPz is fine, all it needs now is a legendary camo

candid steeple
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I didn't say that Annihilator is balanced but it at least has its counter. Smasher is full noob proof.

nocturne mauve
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Smasher does have a counter, black prince

Or alternative, using your brain

real bison
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^

candid steeple
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Yes and since your brain so so good tell me when can a Black Prince just push on someone and not get peperd with shells to sherds.

Btw Smasher can pen BC armor with ease since gold is there and if we are just looking at BC dpm then that tank is counter for any tier VII. Theres a reason why no one plays BC.

nocturne mauve
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Says the one who cowers in the sight of smasher, you realise you can use its weaknesses against it? Poor mobility, 6 degrees depression for such a tall tank, the armour is not even that strong... and if it pens with gold then it’s losing DPM

unique scaffold
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i just wanted aiming time of fv215b 183 is decreased

candid steeple
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So you are no playing heavy tank then right? Armor is good enough to make it trollish for meds but who said that in med tank its hard to get on his sides. Good luck that with a heavy tank while Smasher has its team around it. You arguments are just falling flat one after the other.

Ah btw as a med you gotta work with aiming so you don't bounce of a Smasher while Samsher just loads HE and shaves almost all of your HP. Or with gold doesn't even have to care what he is shooting on you.

full slate
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Play smart and try to make him miss his shoot I guess ? His shell velocity is bad. His accuracy is bad too. You can circle him too because of his turret traverse speed who is really bad

nocturne mauve
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@candid steeple your hypothesis of smasher’s shots hitting all the time and always a HE pen is ridiculous
I inferred this when you said “smasher just loads HE and shaves almost all your HP” which is not true for all cases

candid steeple
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I didn't say that Smasher will hit every shot duh. But yet again. Guys you are imagining Smasher in perfect position to beat him. Some reality salt in there?

weary scaffold
#

Buff t28 and t28 prot Jesus Christ. Literally give depression

scarlet fjord
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I hope your not planning on releasing that "tier 11" french heavy tank in its current state Wargaming
Hull armor is ridiculous
It has almost as much as E5 in terms of DPM with more alpha than an IS-7
and a superior turret for hull down position than both of those tanks
and to top all that it has mobility and
its premium ammo is an AP round
oh and did i mention its standard AP is also above the heavy norm?
i know you need money
and you desperately need people to gamble for your 600$ 1% tier 11 tank
but this is going too far
i dont need a Smasher at tier 10
where people know how to play
at least a little bit better
than the tier 7 players
and now people are gonna say
"it has hatches on top with paper armor"
put it in hull down and try to find the hatches with -8 degrees

dark pike
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fair and balanced tier 10 yes?

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the amx m4 mle 54 straight up has no weaknesses, its average and good in pretty much everything. turret armor? you got it. dpm? you got it. mobility? you got it. only thing bad about it is the concealment which doesn't matter in a heavy tank

scarlet fjord
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more alpha than a 130 mm gun with broke armor gun depression and amazing DPM?
you got it

drowsy plaza
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You guys ever look at it in armor inspector

limpid fulcrum
dark pike
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huh, the dpm on blitzhangar is different

shut whale
#

Keys!!!

thick rover
#

Kranvagn op?

bleak marten
#

No r u op?

turbid smelt
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@thick rover no

candid steeple
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If you ask me Kranvagn line is hella boring to play. I don't see myself wanting to come back and play Emil I.

I just bought IS-3 and that tank is hella fun to play tho almost no one plays it. I guess my taste is not for majority then. Don't mine me then lel.

frosty oriole
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god the amx m4 mle 54 armor profile is busted

versed tide
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Isn’t that the PC model? It’s actually a pretty meh heavy in that game but y’know blitz made it over powered. The t9 is actually better

thick rover
mental pasture
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@shut whale @pure tiger why don't you make a ticket to WG instead of repeating the same questions or spamming emojis about it?

If you have a proof that you watched the streams the good for you, go make a ticket to WG and they may resolve your problem

shut whale
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Bye

gleaming apexBOT
#

dynoSuccess Harbinger#0072 has been warned.

unique scaffold
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Hello I NEED HELP T49ATGM Will be rokets on update 7.5

autumn zodiac
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No

sweet flax
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I think they're nerfing the t-34-2 to indirectly buff the stg

winged barn
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I don't remember anyone asking for a nerf to the chinese meds, other than the t34 1
And what did we get?

turbid smelt
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t341 got buffed lmao

austere citrus
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ok ngl, the 183 is kinda op and kinda trash. Overall, the tank is one of the worst in the game. But... when you get 1300 HESH shells, it makes it feel like it's OP. But according to my stats as well as general stats, I think it should get a traverse buff.

candid steeple
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FV shouldn't be touched. Tank should suck for how OP gun is. Meds should dance around it. If a tier IX med gets hit by its is almost dead. That shouldn't be allowe to happen but here we are. Doesn't matter if you are showing your front plate and not side. It will pen HESH and shave all of your hp.

full token
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That’s called a broken tank. Can’t balance that 1300 HESH alpha

unique scaffold
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It’s fine where it is it’s spot is well deserved and whoever drives it is willingly driving it knowing it is the worst tier 10 aside from the T110E4

winged barn
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@unique scaffold e4 is the best TD

Actual tds are worthless, the e4 is a bad hp heavy

candid steeple
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I love E4, so flexible. Most fun td to play. Tho most people thing otherwise. It's easier to just camp at the back and snipe. This thing gives you a choice.

sullen jolt
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I agree with u@candid steeple the T110E4 is awesome if u know how to play it.

austere citrus
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When a medium without CS can pen the turret cheeks of an E4 with AP...

gritty flame
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T-34-2 does not need a Nerf. That is completely unnecessary. It's just manipulating people to buy the 34-3 and it's BS :)

karmic portal
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Yet they buffed the t-34-1 which is like the best tier 7 tech tree medium

sweet flax
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@gritty flame It's so that ppl will want to buy the stg more cuz it's coming soon.

gritty flame
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They should just take responsibility for making a bad tank and not nerf a well balanced one :)

karmic portal
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the nerf is really small at least

jagged crescent
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Ey lets buff the Smasher’s camo again

sweet flax
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The t-34-2's mobility and camo was what made it equal with the t-34-3. With the stg coming with the slightly better camo, a better gun, better armor, and better mobility, it'll powercreep both of the t-34-2 and the t-34-3. More so with the former because of the extra nerf.

drowsy plaza
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Looks at STG turret placement 👀

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Hmm

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The Patton turret was better than M60 already. The Patton needed the gun handling buff as it was the worst tier X med for dispersion, it had decent on the move factors - but now will be able to snap shot a lot better and not need to sit in the open to hit.

twilit crystal
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stg has worse armor

obtuse cedar
verbal thistle
sullen jolt
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E100 is a heavy and E4 is a destroyer so no comparison bro. E4 and other tier 10 destroyers would be a better comparison @verbal thistle

jagged crescent
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Except e100 is a better e4

charred sail
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the E100 is a better E4

mental pasture
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E4 was meant to be a very well armored TD with turret, but lacks on armor

E100 was meant to be a heavy with a strong cannon, but it's armor can actually work if you play well

E100 is a better E4

nocturne mauve
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Heavy buffs helped with dragging the game, making other classes worse and making some heavies dumb. E4 has been bad for years

gritty flame
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Leave the 34-2 alone. go nerf the 34-3 if you want lol

unique scaffold
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buffing the 34-1🤣

steep ingot
sweet flax
candid steeple
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T-34-2 is so fun tank to play and they nerf it for no reason. So much premium power creep in meds so T-34-2 was somewhat keeping pace with Chimera so they nerfed it. Dumb choices by WG as always.

austere citrus
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i mean tbh t-34-2 was rly balanced.

sweet flax
gritty flame
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Leave t-34-2 alone

twilit crystal
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yeah lmao WG at buffing the t34-1 but nerfing the t34-2 :crater

austere citrus
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t-34-1 shouldve gotten a nerf, t-34-2 is fine. WZ-120 shouldve gotten a buff not nerf.

polar totem
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Done nerf the t34-2 yall just begging for money

candid steeple
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Tbh IS-3 could get its 120mm front upper plate armor back. Tank is fine. Pretty fun because of that speed but hull is a bit way too much like a paper.

gritty flame
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Don't nerf the 34-2. Ruining a skilled fun tank that is extremely balanced just so you sell more of a useless tank is extortion 🤮. No one's gonna buy it either way

lean gate
gritty flame
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Nerfing it's terrain capacity and traverse 🤮🤮🤮

unique scaffold
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Who cares it is t8

winged barn
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The nerf will basically do nothing. It's just an insult to the t34 2

candid steeple
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Actually that tank already ain't that fast. It will make it hard for it to circle against what not and T already sucks at it. WG really want to make people less like it.

versed tide
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They want make the f2p chimera bad :(((

gritty flame
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I've earned diamond rating camo on that tank twice now and it's definitely not because it's op. It's a balanced tank with a difficult playstyle that will be underpowered after the terrain nerf because it will not be able to respond as quickly to actions of opponents or effectively relocate if it's team dies while it is reloading.

Looking at the most recent graph, the 34-2 isn't even the top performing tech tree med in t8. Literally nothing is unbalanced about it. Just design different tanks for premiums and don't rip off tech tree ones then make those obselete.

sweet flax
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The tank is already really difficult to play and nerfing the mobility, which is really crucial for the tank to succeed, will make it even worse.

unique scaffold
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So you like balancing huh? Well let me show you..The new tier 10 mendium tank :
Wäffenpard-75
Hp 2200
Armour : front 200upper plate 199 lower plate sides: 80 mm back:69mm
Damage per shot ap:800 (max)
Speed: 50kmh
(for more information dm me :3)

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jagged crescent
#

that is hilariously not funny

gritty flame
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Distracting from the focus on leaving the 34-2 alone...

sweet flax
#

^^^

serene slate
#

bruh

fading dawn
#

That is scary

frosty oriole
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lol 69mm back

winged rune
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y nerf the t34-2. If yall want money just buff he 34-3.

dense walrus
#

WG: new balance changes
everyone: MONEY

gritty flame
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Unnecessary balance changes 🤮🤮🤮. Nerfing a super balanced tank

candid steeple
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Oh but how could they. Its easier to make tech tree tank trash. make Chimera only good 400 alpha med in tier VIII and then people complain so they overbuff some other tank and call it as problem slowed. I already see Chimera as an zero skill OP medium tank. Armor too strong. Gun too good. Gun dipression 10. Cmon don't touch my T-34-2.

@polar totem you using the Chimera doesn't mean that Chimera requers skill. T-34-2 is way harder to use then Chimera. Tho I don't find T-34-2 hard to use. I just find it as a fun tank to use.

And I find Chimera look insulting to how unoriginal WG has become. Box on a slanted box at the front. It even looks like a box.

polar totem
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@candid steeple chimera has no armor its just very angled i use the chimera im a skilled player

frosty oriole
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doesnt chimera have the highest alpha of ANY medium tank?

gritty flame
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Yes and the longest reload and the most unreliable turret armor. It's also slow and big. If it's even considered op it's because people don't know how to use premium ammo

versed tide
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I enjoy it 440 alpha slaps with better pen than 34-2 apcr is better than heat

drowsy plaza
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Only better standard. The Chimera premium ammo isn’t fantastic.

karmic portal
#

The gun depression is what makes the chimera flexible

candid steeple
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10 degree of gun depression so it chooses when it pokes out. 440 alpha gun so trades are unfair. Turret as a massive gun mantlet so you are playing with rng where the shot will go. When its a higher tier. One shot can half the enemy med or light tank tier VII. Upper hull armor is almost always an auto bounce.

Downsides are only that it ain't that fast and that its big but again gun depression so you can hide the tank.

T-34-2 only has its size going for it compared to Chimera. Turret armor is 200mm so its alright but gun depression makes it hard to use that good turret.

Maybe I am overexageratin but I don't thing that but I know that I really don't like seeing Chimera in games. Annoying tank.

austere citrus
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chimera is pretty strong. Mostly the gun depression, armor and good dpm with big alpha

gritty flame
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It's supposed to be strong. That's why it costs money lol. WG can totally stick to making slightly better tanks and selling them but imo they shouldn't nerf balanced tanks to make the release of a new premium more impactful. The STG is a bad tank. It has a massive tumor on the turret that apparently testers said was easy to pen. Nerfing the 34-2 won't do anything about that and won't make the STG be bought more

nimble salmon
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the emil 1 needs a nerf

dawn karma
#

Agree

candid steeple
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Emil 1 needs a nerf but they will probably kill the tank if they do that. If they nerf dpm tank will suck. If they nerf armor tank will suck. If they nerf its mobility people will only spam that very balanced booster...

I would say nerf dpm. Armor is already a hit or miss. All forward or nothing. Make clip reload about 25s.

soft glen
#

WG nerfing 34-2 because of the casuals im betting

dawn karma
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They should Nerf the Emil 1's hull turn rate and turret speed boom or the reload between shells

austere citrus
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okay ngl, yeah, just make the traveerse like WZ-113 and it will be fine. Basically tier 8 wz 113

soft glen
#

buff smasher

hardy hazel
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Buff my win rate, this 20% thing is sad a ppl don take me seriously 😫 🙏

candid steeple
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@dawn karma lmao you clearly didn't play Emil 1 to think that it needs a turret turn speed reduced.

dense vine
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Wait what? T34 2 getting nerf? Good i didnt buy it

round needle
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Buff smasher
Needs 8.8s reload, 0.100 dispersion, 1s aiming time, 380 mm triple gun 1900 alpha with ap with 620 pen and 2600 with hesh with 560 pen, 615 mm spaced armor everywhere, 108 km/h max speed with 74 km/h average speed, 200 traverse speed, 9800 hitpoints, 50 depression and 90 elevation, 91% camo rate, and finally make it weight 870 t

dawn karma
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-Emil 1 Hull and turret turn rate Nerf
-BC25t 2.5sec reload per shells
-JgpzE100 Accuracy buff or hull turn rate buff
-obj140 engine buffed, Turret armour +8mm, aiming time Nerf
-JPanther 2 hull turn rate too Op

@herowonds bro the tank is broken everyone knows

versed tide
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Balance

austere citrus
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Buff 183.

sinful leaf
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Mmm yes, buff a tank with the strongest gun in the game. I already explained why that wouldn't be the best idea, so no.

hardy hazel
#

You, me and pretty much all the smart people in this server

pine jetty
#

Wait this server has smart people?

regal grove
#

no

dawn karma
#

WG should add trading mechanics on the game. you can trade camos, crates, keys, attachments and more.... To be able to trade they should add new currency on the shop that cost gold or money...

minor minnow
gloomy lark
#

Would rather WG fix game balancing over nerfing tank stats... tired of being lumped on teams full of people with avg damage thats 1/3 of mine haha... OP tanks can be dealt with, A team of usless halfwits that can't damage a fly can't be dealt with

dawn karma
#

@megsman1 get gud

gloomy lark
hardy hazel
dawn karma
#

Bruh are u flexing us the best battle u can pull out or is that just a random screen shot from ur moms phone?

mossy wraith
noble quail
# gloomy lark

Your name covering isn't full for the IGNs
I can still make out the names of some of the players in that screenshot

gritty flame
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Don't nerf 34-2 it's balanced

austere citrus
#

Buff WZ-113G-FT

elder sonnet
austere citrus
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Buff 183 Traverse too.

terse tinsel
#

i still really hope cent 1 and st emil get buffed

thick rover
inland sorrel
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Buff Obj.704. Frontal armor is crap, lower DPM than ISU and bad turn rate. Please. Its unplayable.

sinful leaf
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@inland sorrel Wut? Are you sure you're fine? Obj 704 has more DPM and accuracy than ISU with BL-10. The armor and traverse was never good to begin with on ISU either, dunno what you're expecting.
Though the mantlet/gun could use a buff because you can literally penetrate the gun and do damage. Kek

stiff edge
#

At least the 704 can't be one shot by equal tier 152s

noble quail
nimble zodiac
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@sinful leaf they've buffed Obj. 704's gun mantlet actually

and a slight buff to the sideskirts

@turbid smelt uh what

turbid smelt
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@nimble zodiac thank gawd not my lovely HE spam weak spot at the back

spark gorge
#

who's ready for t2020 and predator buff

tender bison
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when i saw predator, i thought they meant the t26e4 predator, and im like HOH MY GOD FINALLY, but no

mossy wraith
terse tinsel
#

there s so many tanks that have somehow gone under the radar of wg devs that i really hope get balanced again to the point where we can actually play them without feeling anxious

nimble zodiac
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The T-2020 didn't need a buff, but I guess I'll take it

@austere citrus if only they started to classify it as a heavy

austere citrus
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they should just give the t26e4 a massive turret buff and hull buff.

tender bison
noble quail
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And the Pershing needs a buff too

terse tinsel
#

ye most of the american higher tier defo need a buff too

wet bloom
#

With the removal of the ATGM, the accuracy is expected to drop and the two vehicles will do much less damage, and even though I don't like ATGMs, I think it's wrong for those vehicles to disappear, so I think it's okay to increase their one-hit firepower or runnability.

Poor state of affairs for medium and heavy British tanks from Tier 8 onwards. The Centurion 1 in particular has nothing special to offer with only 90% of the DPM of the FV301. Give them a look.

dark pike
#

t-2020 still needs a better buff to make it deserving of the 50 dollar price tag

gritty flame
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Don't nerf the 34-2 just make your premium STG less complete garbage :)

full token
#

@dark pike It’s been sold for less now

gritty flame
#

Don't nerf 34-2 plz :)

unique scaffold
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Stop nerfing chinesse tanks imbeciles, these tanks need very very big BUFF, no fcking NERF

candid steeple
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No they don't need a big buff but they need a compensation for terrible gun depression.

If you ask me T-34-2 needs no buffs or nerfs. Tank is perfect. Hard thing to say for most of WG designs.

dark pike
#

funnily enough there are more overpowered non russian tanks than there are op russian tanks

jagged crescent
#

So it takes 5-6 nations to beat one

turbid smelt
sweet prism
#

Only sense I can make out of these chines nerfs...those lines are too easy to grind, WG wants them harder

candid steeple
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WZ-120 is easy to grind xD You understand that Chines tank until they don't get a top gun are completely ussles because those are not flexible tanks.

Stock WZ-120 gun first in line 43k second in line 59k xp and then top gun 59k while Emil II has top gun after 32k xp :'(

unique scaffold
#

Standard and Progetto bounce too many shots, need buff

mental pasture
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@inland sorrel Obj 704 isn't unplayable bro, I played it for the first time when I was till a begginer

I did a good amount of nice battles considering that Obj 704 was my first tier 9

iron lynx
#

Just noticed the Hellcat is getting a big buff on DPM, it's gonna be insanely good

candid steeple
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I already said it. Hellcat has a high skill floor and good players will make that tank broken ..

manic jetty
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@candid steeple of course that tank will be broken...the tank is top noch other then the armour and turret speed(360 turret is more then enough) which makes it balanced. true i hear the DPM is gonna be 2200 so the reload time or the dmg will be buffed

noble quail
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It's a reload buff

bitter perch
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idk why they buff, hellcat is already great. one of my favorites.

vital loom
#

Emil 2 and kran will get a buff?

winged barn
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The gun on the jackson is too good, let's make the hellcat's even better!

candid steeple
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Yup that has been WG logic for last 2 years xd

mental pasture
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Hmmmm Smasher is OP but I don't want to nerf it, let's make a tank that will be even more OP to tier 7 so players may stop talking about Smasher

dense yoke
#

Why would they even Nerf smasher? They make hella money outta from it

dense talon
#

Aka annihilator

candid steeple
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Ye they will probably never nerf it but I will always complain until they don't nerf that gold pen to at least 200mm.

I have seen people with under 50% wr tech tree tanks but they got 60%+ wr on Smasher. Tank is not balanced.

Specialy when you see Smashers that just spam gold no matter if they can pen with HE or AP. Doesn't batter. Smasher has enough dpm to just spam gold and pen you every time. No matter what you do Smasher will pen you. Gotta really feel outplayed by that.

bitter perch
#

power creep will fix it eventually, I guess.

turbid smelt
#

it always has

@fiery dagger rebalance happened already
meta went from mediums (older patches) to medium heavies (before unnecessary hp buffs) to heavies (current)

fiery dagger
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By that progress we will eventually get to the point where tier 7 tanks will have over 5k hp and 8k dpm, if powercreeping keeps going as fast as it's today.

A rebalance is bound to happen soon. I mean, it's happening now, they just messed it up even more with hp buffs and whatnot.

candid steeple
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If you would ask me I would just nerf med damage or dpm slightly and not buff heavy hp. I still think that it would have been a way better approach by WG.

Problem is now that on PC tds got instead of 640 alpha an 720 alpha. And here heavies got PC hp or even higher. That's why I think that heavies hp buffs were dumb. Now they don't get that much punished because big guns that are there to say stay away don't really got that much of an impact.

And you can't buff td damage because they woudld just twoshot meds but if you give meds hp then we are again on the same page but now tier IX is powercreeped by tier X. So you get in many problem instead of just adressing the elephant in the room.

turbid smelt
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@candid steeple i agree
hp buff was unnecessary without any other rebalances

gritty flame
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Don't nerf traverse on 34-2 :(

dense yoke
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Smasher is a problem, but i find Annihiltor being a bigger problem.
Super consumable, op turret,2700, 600 (3 shots, 1 200), HE 750/700, 13s, decent speed.
It crushes a light tank. But ff a (T8) light wins the duel. Then i would assume that the light has really low hp.
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It has Engine power boost (improved), which i would consider a super consumable.

coarse harness
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Wait Anni has super consumables ?

Oh great just the most broken one
No problem then

turbid smelt
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yep
only nyyoooom one

candid steeple
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Annihilator is a problem but not bigger then Smasher. Still OP tank.

latent snow
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Annihilator is just a smasher that needs some level of skill

winged barn
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Anni can't stand up to tier 8s. Smasher laughs at tier 8s

quick lichen
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@karmic portal your name equals an even more broken tank lol. It’s already disgustingly strong

vital basalt
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Buff 13 90's Alpha to 240 or make its total reload 15 or 14s because now its 16.6s and with that reload you only do 675 damage while Lorraine 40t only takes 20s but it has 4shell,13 90 only has 1.9k Dpm while same tier,same class Fv301 has over 2.7K Dpm and it also its Faster and also Its much much more armored

turbid smelt
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@vital basalt it takes amx 6secs to dump its load
while Lorraine takes 9secs
they both don't behave like high damage per shot tanks

vital basalt
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first of all it takes 5s for 13 90 and 7.5s for Lorraine and second its penetration sucks(170),Its Dpm Sucks even for a autoloader,its Dispersion is worst beside T49 but its a troll gun,its dispersion on movement,turret traverse etc. is almost worst for tier 8 lights,its Gun Depression/Elevasion angles sucks,its Effective Power and Traverse Speed is worst in tier 8 lights only good thing is its Concealment but its Penetration loss over distance is also worst in whole tier 8

karmic portal
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My names a joke lol

@candid steeple it actually has a massive cupola. And dude I already said it’s a troll name lmao. I know it’s broken

candid steeple
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No its not your name that is a joke. You are a joke.
Same tank design as E5 which is tier X but tank has more turret armor. Your comment and name is a joke.

dense yoke
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@candid steeple What an insult

candid steeple
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Honestly how you said it the way that I couldn't understand if you were serious or not. Specially in server that has a lot of names like that. Whatever sry.

scarlet fjord
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Buff IS-3 gun handling
and give it 2000-2100 DPM base from its 1800
to make it a heavium role like IS-8 is but at tier 8
newer players will understand how to play IS-8 at a sooner tier much better
and will make the IS-3 a viable vehicle
currently it has 1 strong suit
its turret
well 2 if you count the mobility but then again the IS-5 has more top speed
with similar acceleration and superior armor
the IS-3's problem is its hull armor is paper to everything
and its gun isn't even better than the other IS series guns

austere citrus
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Ngl after trying it out, t-22 medium is not broken. I think stb1 is better

karmic portal
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Is3 is already a better heavium than the is8 what are you talking about. Is8 is an outdated piece of trash. Is3 is already way better tier for tier

modern skiff
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why havent i got keys yet, I watched the whole stream

scarlet fjord
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@karmic portal are you mad?
you obviously have no idea how to handle the IS-8 if you think the IS-3 is way better tier for tier
i get 3500 WN8 on that thing
IS-3 is very powercrept
IS-8 is literally one of my fav tanks in the game

karmic portal
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@scarlet fjord there is a reason you have 3500 wn8 in the is8 and why I aced it with 3k damage. Cause it’s trash. That tank has been at the bottom of the balance charts for as long as I can remember. It’s huge, has 0 frontal hull armor, and mediocre gun handling. It tries to play as a medium but it’s way too cumbersome. Ask anyone about the is3, they’ll say it’s quite solid

@scarlet fjord then why is it at the bottom of the charts consistently?

scarlet fjord
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@karmic portal its Dispersion is 0.310
and its dispersion factors are literally first in class
0.150 which is medium level
its penetration is higher than most tier 9 tank destroyers it has 420 alpha
and great mobility
its armor is superior to most medium tanks in fact more than any medium tank in tier 9
if u know how actually play the tank lol
your literally speaking none sense based on that shallow minded comment
if ur not that good at the tank dont spread bad misinformation
the WZ-120 has literally the same dispersion at 0.310

candid steeple
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Only good thing about WZ is its gun when you can point it at someone. Only thing that you mentioned about IS_8 is its gun. If you ask me if gun is the reason just play M103. Way more reliable tank. Turret you can complain but it works and hull actually has some decent armor.

dense yoke
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Give IS3, 6 deg of gun depression to make it go more in hulldown like IS7
Because of how powerful its turret is.
We could give it also 220 mm on frontal plate or even
110-100 mm on side armor.
But i think 6 deg of gun depression would be enough for IS3

karmic portal
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Look at it compared to all the other mediums. It’s mobility and gun handling doesn’t come close to them. And your missing the biggest thing, it’s twice as big as mediums. And you still haven’t answered why it’s at the bottom of the charts consistently. And look at relative winrate in the tank. It’s terrible compared to other heavys in the hands of 60%ers

@modern skiff it’s balance discussion. That’s the point of this.
@modern skiff bruh no one is mad, you the one calling people idiots and acting angry

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sand plank
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Nerf annihalator

scarlet fjord
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@karmic portal its at the bottom of the chart
because every time someone plays it
they think its a heavy and go heavy route and get penetrated every single time
it only has armor hull down or a troll bounce out in the open
your accuracy is better literally better than the WZ 120
with more alpha and way more pen
you get 420 alpha and you want the tank to have same accuracy as 310 alpha medium tanks?
are you seriously still talking none sense?

modern skiff
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can you idiots stop arguing, no that is not the main point of it, I am aware of that, but you both made your points, now chill

meager spruce
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@modern skiff this servers main building point is that of arguing

scarlet fjord
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@karmic portal its twice as big?
why dont you mention it having more hit points than tier 10 medium tanks as its compensation?
plus ramming capability
plus superior armor on pike nose 260-300 effective no normalization included

modern skiff
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like i said, your just pointlessly arguing

meager spruce
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and like I said, that is what this server if for

karmic portal
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@scarlet fjord have fun ramming people with that mobility lol. All it has compared to 310 meds is more alpha and some side armor, in exchange for way less mobility and gun handling. Those meds already have a strong turret and some have more gun depression so really it’s main point of armor is the turret which is the same as in meds. And the hull armor is completely unreliable even when meds shoot it. So you are giving everything up that makes a medium for some more alpha and hp? And your dpm doesn’t come close to mediums. And don’t forget you cannot play the role of a heavy either. So you basically will get outmaneuvered by any decent medium tank player and bullied by a heavy tank and your telling me the tank is good?

But again why take my word for it, ask others.

@modern skiff that’s the whole point of this channel lol. What else is there to talk about in this channel. You can say everything posted here is meaningless cause it is

austere citrus
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Buff WZ 120 alpha to 420

scarlet fjord
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@karmic portal that literally tells me your not a great player
420 alpha
allows you to shoot a medium tank
pull back
and by the time he gets to you to shoot you again
you wasted his time enough so that you reload again and after that you face hug
he will bounce often if u angle pike nose
and the turret is stronger than mediums you get effective DPM as opposed to base DPM
by this i mean
shooting that exposed tank thats visible for 3 seconds and later is not
for 420 instead of 310
dropping your armor if you have 3k WN8 on your 30 days stats is way superior than meds
you can keep up with them because u get to 50km/h quickly
420 alpha + WAY WAY more hit points means you counter their slightly higher DPM specially with the armor
i told you to stop spreading misinformation please

dense walrus
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idk what you're ranting about, because the WZ-120 is already one of the worst t9 tanks, and it's going to get nerfed as it stands now

jagged crescent
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would be nice if the wz-120 could even have one extra degree of gun depression in exchange

candid steeple
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I think that they should keep that unique bad gun depression with WZ. Gun is pretty strong. Make people work for its dpm. I play WZ-120 and suffered the grind so I am not just laying random facts.

jagged crescent
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make people work for what dpm again

open marlin
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Chinese tank nerfs kinda sus ngl. They were already 💩

dense walrus
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T-34-1 noises

jagged crescent
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every tank listed, aside from the 120's actually pretty good

candid steeple
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@jagged crescent you call 2600+ dpm on a 400 alpha gun low for a med? I am still pissed that medium tank with same caliber shoots faster then M103.

jagged crescent
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@candid steeple
Considering the rest of the mediums and their dpm. Yes I am.
And at least the m103 has flexibility, dispersion, penetration, and durability. Give it the boosted engine and then it also has the mobility.
Whichever single shot mediums the WZ-120 can out dpm, there's barely a difference in the dpm, and the other tanks are definitely more flexible as well

The WZ does not have higher alpha by any margin. Even with trades, the M103 is going to outlast the wz120 because of its hp

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austere citrus
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m103 has some insane pen

karmic portal
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M103 is a great tank. Way better than wz 120

candid steeple
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I know but WZ use to not have better dpm then M103. I don't say that M103 is bad in fact its my fav tier IX heavy.
(now talking about other meds. sry)
WZ has same dpm but yet again higher alpha by a quite margine. Trades are better but thats the only thing that WZ is good at. I don't think that buffing dpm will be good choice but an unhealty one.

mental pasture
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My experience on M103 was kinda bad, I felt pretty unnarmored even on the turret, but the cannon really impressed me

candid steeple
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Well point about M103 is the gun while you work around the mediocer armor.

regal grove
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EGirl 2.5 has arrived 😩

nimble zodiac
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Yeah I knew it wayyy earlier

flat bane
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We noticed a few weeks back xd

soft glen
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is the FCM 50 T bad?

sinful leaf
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Yes.

unique scaffold
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Yes I really hope it gets a buff. I cannot play the tank. It is like a Patton but worse. There is NOTHING I can use to my advantage. But it is a free tank so kinda makes sense

mild dawn
nimble zodiac
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oops my b

dense yoke
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According to some people, FCM is a good medium. I just didn't like it. 🤷‍♀️
The tank got a good gun, 1400-1500 HP, 50~ KM/H, long like maus, doesn't have enough armor to support its size, very easy to pen, sometimes it gets a bounces on the turret or even on the tracks.
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There are others thing that are good about the tank like it being a premium, etc.

round horizon
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Thing is, if i wanted to play a prem french support tank, id play the rev, lorraine or heck even the cdc over the fcm

mild dawn
dense yoke
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Cdc is even worse, mate.
You will get destroyed and HE'D till you are nothing, but powder.

mental pasture
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Yeah, but CDC is basically a light, then it's quite normal

Cool fact: for some reason, CDC and FCM 50t have almost same gun stats, the only differences are Gun Depression, Aim time, Dispersion and a little difference on reload

Reload; 5.47/CDC 6.06/FCM
Base aim time; 1.54/CDC 2.08/FCM
Dispersion; 3.08/CDC 3.26/FCM
Gun depression; -10/CDC -8/FCM

regal grove
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gee maybe because they have the same gun

jagged crescent
fierce crag
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fcm is worse even than T95E2

sweet flax
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Don't nerf the t-34-2 ;-;

hardy hazel
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actually i dont think is bad, just slow, i think i prefer fcm over cdc

mental pasture
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Bro this fact is actually driving me crazy @regal grove

fierce crag
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Where you see WZ is going to nerf?

lean gate
true saddle
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why hasnt 140 been buffed so its once par with 62a

austere citrus
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okay yea i said t22 wasnt op, after more games in, i would say its borderline OP for tier 10. It's basically like a russian medium like a t62a/obj140 with better armor but trashier gun(relative to the russian meds). So I think if this was a tech tree tank, it would get nerfed a bit, but since it's not tech tree. I think it's fine.

austere citrus
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Buff T-22 gun depression to 7 degrees. @thick rover because $$$, p2w game

thick rover
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Why should a prem be better than tech tree
🤣

covert jungle
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Don't nerf the t-34-2 ;-;
@sweet flax EZ REKT

graceful birch
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pls buff make armour and rate of fire
the maus needs to be the right amount of powerful
because of how hard and expensive it is to get it with 256k and 6.4 mil
and all the other tiers of the maus line

scarlet fjord
karmic portal
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@scarlet fjord the funny thing is since neither you or i actually mentioned the word is8 in our last posts they thought we were talking about the wz120 and then started talking about it

terse tinsel
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pls buff conqueror and 215b s armor

scarlet fjord
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WZ-120 is decent-ish
if ur a super unicum
but u can always just drive a T54
thats my take on it lol

candid steeple
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I got 60% on WZ with I dont know 300+ battles and tank doesn't feel that bad as people say but tank is not worth all that grind. Grinding WZ made me quite Blitz for few weeks of how ussles I felt with those guns before the top one. If you don't have top gun you know how actually bad the tank is. With top gun you get some compensation.

hexed fjord
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please nerf emil I it's so broken, many tanks can't pen it's turret even with gold!

turbid smelt
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@hexed fjord you can pen a hulldown Emil with gold shells in the marked spot, by many things at its tier (including medium tanks and a light tank)without running calibrated shells

and you can pen its sides and rear with HE by many things aswell

@candid steeple it is more fun like this xd

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candid steeple
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Yes but that's the only time you see Emil I as a strong turret. Emil I just looks to the side at someone else and everyone can pen it. Hull is terribly armored, only upper plate. I think that nerfing Emil I front armor on turret will only make that tank unusable. Nerf its upper hull armor if you ask me or nerf its dpm. Magazine reload to be 25s. Tank is strong and I don't like playing it so I don't care if they give it a stronger nerf.

@turbid smelt btw theres an option in paint where you can draw filled squares. You don't have to manually scrub it all xd

hexed fjord
candid steeple
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I can agree with you. Most meds can't pen Emil I turret but if you are in front of Emil I you are doing something wrong as medium tank.

@turbid smelt you only mentioned premium tanks :/ t-34-2 has exactly 250mm pen and that ain't enough to play cards with rng.

Eh I just looked up. Some tanks got over 50 and some don't. It doesn't really matter since you shouldn't try to fight Emil I from the front. And I say it again Emil I feels strong just if you are in front of it hull down. If any other scenarion there is Emil I is weak.

Ah right did I mention that Emil I has pretty weak pen for other heavies? Yeah that includes too.

turbid smelt
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@hexed fjord except for soviet meds, every other nation has enough to penetrate but like @candid steeple said, you shouldn't be attempting to pen from its only strong position.

the white marked spot is where to shoot, if you reallllyyy want to shoot emil from front

@candid steeple yea, only 4 out of 9 researchable tier 8 meds have enough to go through
t44, t69, m26 pershing, t 34 2 and panther 2, can't pen it.
i used prem meds as there are 20 of them

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candid steeple
turbid smelt
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only 7 out of 20 premium meds can't pen a hulldown emil without calibrated
type 59, M4 ravioli, Panther 88, Chimera, T 25 pilot, t 44 100 and t 54 mod 1

winged imp
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Is there any clan which recruits ? ^^

scarlet fjord
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nah the armor on Emil 1 is fine
just nerf the interclip to 3.5 seconds
whilst nerfing the DPM as well to 1900
320 alpha with the same inter clip as amx 50 100 but amx has 310 alpha
i know its faster and has more pen
but emil has 10 degrees of gun depression
op speed boost
very solid upper hull and turret armor which is way more
plus gun depression counters angles so the inferior pen isnt as inferior as it might seem on the surface

candid steeple
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Welp good luck penning tiger II from the front lmao. And maybe that interclip is a good idea of how to nerf Emil I. But if they nerf armor from the front Emill I will have no armor lmao. Only people who didn't play Emil I think that armor is broken.

Armor is good but in only one position. Sides can be penned by HE. Rear of the turret is a HE magnet. And if you know as Emil I that td is looking at you you are not poking out.

@dark pike ye one of good ways to make Emil I weaker.

turbid smelt
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i didn't, but i can make rough guess based of fighting against it and quality time spent checking its armour profile

dark pike
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nerf ufp of emil 1, seriously it already possesses amazing turret armor, it doesn't deserve a strong ufp either

scarlet fjord
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@dark pike The Emil premium version is just that
would make the Emil 1 irrelevant
its armor is fine
just nerf the gun's DPM and inter clip to 3.5 seconds

worthy zephyr
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Emil 1 laughs in turret armor

TDs laughs in Heat shells

candid steeple
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Every HE shell laughts at its back ...

cedar pasture
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test (nvm)

gleaming apexBOT
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dynoSuccess Cr1SP1e#1023 has been warned.

verbal thistle
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Just waiting for Wargaming to release the pay to win version on Emil I

candid steeple
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Bound to happen but for this one they will say that they can't nerf it.

@sullen jolt search in blitz hangar

sullen jolt
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whats the P2W version of Emil I??@verbal thistle

verbal thistle
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Emil 1951
Because Emil 1 will be nerfed soon
And Emil 1951 will be like pre nerfed Emil I

candid steeple
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But Emil 1951 has better hull armor. Rip.

turbid smelt
#

its weakspot is smoller as well

cedar pasture
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wotb lite graphics settings pls

obtuse cedar
winged barn
obtuse cedar
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but why are all the chinese tanks getting nerfed?? why the wz120? that's like the worst tier 9 medium. and why the t34-2 that tank is not op in any way

mossy wraith
#

Got my Prog2W tank. 🙃
Now winning is much easier. I got it yesterday. I plan to spam it.
Good luck!

polar totem
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Where are our KEYS!!!!

candid steeple
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I gotta thank WG for giving enemy team med above 50% and 60% and my med which are all 48% so flank instantly collapses. They honestly have to fix this MM. This 48% med are probably the people complaining meds are weak.

Or countless game wehere i have to tell team move or they would just camp at the spawn.

Ah right I am heavy tank player but all of my meds got higher wr. Meds are "weak" no people are just dumb.

It's way easier to carry the game with med then with heavy tank. Only problem with meds right now is if your heavies just collapse instantly tho I see a lot more of med flanks collapsing.

Oh we won't talk about mediums just rushing in and suiciding.

dense walrus
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The people like you who don't think meds are weak probably don't know that #devs-answers exists

winged barn
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Meds are weak. A heavy will be better in basically every situation.

sweet flax
versed tide
#

Sad chimera noises

sweet flax
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Prem

regal grove
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"wg stop giving me 48% players"
dang bruh its just trying to give you a team of a similar skill level as you lmfao just win loser

tiny snow
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Lol. Ima 48%. Takes a 48 to make a 52. Lol

candid steeple
regal grove
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wow that's crazy wg must have a vendetta against you or something

dense walrus
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wow it's not like MM is random and evens out over large sample sizes or something
@fickle glade you clearly don't know what you are talking about 🤣

nocturne mauve
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No, you don’t

You get punished for playing well. Just look at modern warfare

unique scaffold
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@fickle glade we need to read the pinned messages and realize that this channel isn't about matchmaking.

candid steeple
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So where do we complain about MM then? I can't find a server that fits what I need but MM is defenetly not balanced and this is balance discussion so xd However I don't complain about it anymore since WG will do nothing about it. I just posted the picture because it was a good continuation to the potic :3 Tho it happened today.

When I play with a good player platoon we print win after a win but solo it's hard when your team just colapses or doesn't have a clue of what to do.

minor plover
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Be 70%er, play in platoons a lot and You won’t complain.

dense walrus
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Take a hint, MM “discussion” doesn’t belong anywhere

candid steeple
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Guessed :)

vital loom
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Guys doesn’t Emil 2 need a buff? I am a decent player (66% wr) I have 70% wr on Emil 2 but it is so hard to play on like I can’t trust the tank to do anything so any tips?

unique scaffold
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Hi to all. I don’t know if this has already been discussed, but I would like to ask to reserve the presence of the Annihilator tanks only to tier 7 or 8, they are really too strong to play at tier 6 level. Thanks

unique scaffold
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Thanks...☹️

tawdry elm
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Hello, I just wanted to say that I think there should be a certain limit of one type of tank in tournaments because me and my clan did a tier 5-6 tournament yesterday and we got destroyed because the other team had 6 ARL 44'S ON THEIR TEAM. WHich is WAY too OP. I just think thats rly unfair

jagged crescent
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lmao

sullen jolt
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ARL is the best tier 6. No wonder they had 6 of them.@tawdry elm

tawdry elm
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@sullen jolt That is true lol

scarlet fjord
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Make IS-7 tournament meta again?
(:

dense talon
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@scarlet fjord vk 72 meta all the way bruh

dense yoke
# scarlet fjord Make IS-7 tournament meta again? (:

Readjust ammorack posistion, chances/percentage/rate on IS7 and then IS7 will appear in tournaments. (IS7 ammorack spots are memorizable, which gets annoying)
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You face alot of crap in IS7, it has been nerfed alot of friking times and on top of that you have to deal with ammorack. Which you can't really do much about. It is a curse that haunts IS7.
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Clearly i see WG being biased against IS7,.
IS4, better armor, gun, dpm, turret, 42 km/h, hulldown, small lower plate (which becomes hard to pen, when IS4 wiggles.) and has better ammorack posistion. (other stuff aswell)
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While IS7 has dumber armor, worse gun, worse dpm, worse turret, 50~ km/h, hulldown, bigger lower plate and has bigger ammorack posistion/easier.(other stuff aswell)

scarlet fjord
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i have 1500 battles in the IS-7 i havent been ammo racked for more than a year lol@dense yoke
Wargaming nerfed it a bunch of times
and the penetration isnt keeping up with the meta
it needs more pen and a turret buff
the turret should be the best of the heavies definitely not the IS-4's turret
they broke the IS-4 and nerfed the IS-7 i dont see their logic
they still use it on VERY VERY rare occasions cuz of its mobility and pike nose on some maps like canal
but its like 1 IS-7 and its rare

nimble zodiac
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I like playing the IS-7, and I don't often get ammo racked because mistakes = ammo rack

The only bugging thing about IS-7 is the lack of damage output capabilities, the other 120/122mm heavies reload faster, and retain a substantial alpha vs the IS-7

lucid plover
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Hmm..why not nerf the IS-4's turret and nerf it's frontal plate a good amount? Make it be the sidescraping machine it should be, but could be penned in the turret or the upper plate if the player isn't careful. Give IS-7 a turret buff and a small upper front plate buff so it plays like an all-rounder heavy tank with a really good turret, a good first tier 10 again.

scarlet fjord
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Either buff turret and penetration
or buff turret and frontal armor
and they definitely do need to nerf the IS-4 and the E5
the E5 DOES NOT need the special consumables
the IS-4 needs armor to go back to what it was in the past weaker front strong sides for sidescraping and the turret of the IS-4 shouldn't be stronger than the IS-7 turret it makes it illogical because pike nose tanks are supposed to be better hull down
and if IS-4 has a better turret what logic is that Wargaming lol

fiery dagger
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Standard penetration on the IS-7 is great. The prammo is aprc and plenty to pen E100 cheeks. You don't need to brainlessly spam gold on everything.

scarlet fjord
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@fiery dagger i know its fine actually for pubs
i meant for tournaments
because every heavy your versing will have 380 HEAT
and your gonna stand in front of them with your 318 APCR
in pubs i almost never struggle with the pen i do run calibrated shells though

dense yoke
# scarlet fjord i have 1500 battles in the IS-7 i havent been ammo racked for more than a year l...

Pros are afraid to get ammoracked in IS7 and on top of that in tournaments they usually spam E5, IS4, Kranvagns. These tanks do their job well. I can see how and what IS7 can be used in, but i bet that they don't want to take a high risk of someone ammoracking IS7 or getting ammoracked in IS7.
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IS7 frontal turret is good if distance is involved, but 340 pen is enough to go through it in a close combat.Which is surprisingly because E5/IS4 has 340 and with cs they get like 370ish pen from their gold shells.
IS7 with cs gets 318 pen and IS4 with with cs gets around 370ish . That is bullpoop.

You kinda need to run CS in IS7 (but can run gun rammer) to achieve good pen on , apcrs that will help you against penning turrets/cheeks of other tanks.

IS7 deserves a prammo buff or even a turret buff.
If IS7 gets a gold shell buff, so does WZ5A.
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E5 needs a traverse nerf (a hefty one), 39 km/h?
IS4 doesn't deserve to have good armor, gold and on top of that have 42 km/h (etc).
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So nerf its roof 40~ mm, 38/km. I would love to see that lower plate getting nerfed.
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Wg should also nerf MAUS speed from 25 KM/H to 20 KM/H, just because it has really good armor that coveres it and becomes really hard to kill it while having that armor and hp.
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Totally agree tho with IS7 getting prammo buff or turret buff

scarlet fjord
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@dense yoke i agree with you
although Maus doesnt need changes
its too slow to keep up with the meta
so whenever a caller decides to bring a german super heavy they are basically accepting a risk of getting out maneuvered by the enemy making their armor pointless
like the RA1D game vs i dont remember if it was Legion i think it was
where they used 113's and E5's mobility
to push on multiple angles which made their german heavies literally irrelevant
IS-7 just needs turret to be stronger than IS-4 and APCR to 330 base pen

dense yoke
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Agreed, buddy.

muted rampart
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i d keep is 4's mobility but nerf prammo pen to 325 same prammo nerf to t110e5. it don t think that heavies with 340 gold pen should exist not counting clipper that really nedds those effective pen to deal dmg. I can also agree with this 334 pen on E100, VK 72 because those tanks have bad accuaracy and Long reload. But bo other heavy should have more than 325 gold penetration

scarlet fjord
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That is a thing i always thought about
nerfing the HEAT pen on all the 340 mm heavies
except the 57 and the 50B
probably the best change in blitz tbh
380 HEAT is tank destroyer level penetration IS-4 just ignores all armor

radiant hinge
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They should just remove gold ammo. 🙂

radiant kelp
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nerf the pike nose on the obj252u

plucky pumice
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@radiant kelp 252 is balanced lmao

WG pls buff T-44-100

real bison
radiant kelp
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dis be the meta. who cares about having a strategically made team to cover spotting, armor and dpm. Just have one meta tank

sour comet
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Buff e4 is so bad tier 9 is better every single way

muted rampart
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@radiant kelp id doesn t work like that lol. 252u isn t really used at tournaments that much because of really bad gun. Most clans pick Tiger 2 over it

nimble zodiac
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Even if the pike nose was nerfed to 60mm, it'd still have the same effect frontally

Well, until HEAT is loaded

scarlet fjord
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@muted rampart cant believe u even tried explaining why removing the gold ammo doesnt work lol
i know he's talking none sense
but dont even bother xd

jagged crescent
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He really just said “252u isn’t really used at tournaments that much”

dense walrus
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Tiger II best comp tank 😤

winged barn
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Until you learn that you can pay credits for prammo.

austere citrus
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buff challenger gun dispersion

plucky pumice
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Didnt they literally just buff the Challenger this update 🤨 🤨

jagged crescent
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Smoothbrain shenanigans

tall compass
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Batchat 25 t needs a buff with small maps and low Alpha per shot also long load time between shells wtf it's a joke

muted rampart
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Delete all tier 10 penetrations with gold 325+ not counting tds, 152mm heavies and clippers. Also i think it would be nice time to change meta again. I'm getting bored with all those mauses, e5s and is4s everywhere. Maybe TD one would be nice because its been a long time since we had td meta in the game.

plucky pumice
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How about a meta where it truly doesnt matter what tank you drive and everything is gloriously balanced relative to everything 😫

I dream too much

muted rampart
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@plucky pumice wargaming loves to change meta. I know that what u said is the best option, but doing something like that would require the whole game rebalance and wargaming won t do anything like that. But if i would have to pick what tank type meta i d like to see, i would pick tds

unique scaffold
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Some of the tier 8 meds could use penetration buffs. I think at least 185mm should be the new minimum for meds at that tier. 160-175 is just too low in the current meta

shy citrus
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Banning fail toons wpuld be a good idea before alotta this stuff here keep seein tier 8s at tier 10 and tier 6s and 5s at tier 8
Edit: not the ppl doing fail toons just the tier 9,8 toon option

mental pasture
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Bruh, "let's resolve tier 8 problems by avoid people making toons with certain tanks"

noble quail
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# dense walrus Tiger II best comp tank 😤

I’m sorry what tiger two is useless when pramo is loaded nobody uses it in tourneys because of it and plus you can use E75 TS a much better tank that does more but is slower

nimble zodiac
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Lowe moment

true saddle
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Why hasn't the cheiftan T95 been buffed, it really need one

orchid grove
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@muted rampart TD meta is pretty awful TBH. Even slower and more campy than heavy meta.

Personally I'd like to see autoloader meta, but WG hates autoloaders

jagged crescent
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Would be nice if all the mediums actually got like a 5mm+ boost to their standard rounds

karmic portal
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More hp

verbal thistle
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Old Tier 8 mediums like T-44, T-54 mod 1 ans Type 59 need a pen buff

teal raptor
orchid grove
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@teal raptor I thought it was more dynamic then the previous IS-4/268 meta, while not really being as dumb as the Obj 140 spam meta before that, it was the meta that probably had the most diversity in lineups and strats.

And Progetto IMO isn't really a proper autoloader. It's not proper autoloader meta if there isn't the sort of dynamic where the battle can still be massively swung by the side with ammunition left in their autoloaders.

Also welcome back! 😁

teal raptor
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@orchid grove well the meta of 2019 was also heavily leaning on the Foch 155.

Tbh on EU at least, lots of teams are bringing Krans and 50bs to their battles from what I've seen.

The IS4/268 2018 meta was a bit static but it did give some of the best and most memorable moments in game... which WG seem to want to kill off by walling off huge sections of the maps lol

Also cheers - nice to be back.

nimble zodiac
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I wonder how buffing IS-7’s gun by 40 average damage will do

frosty oriole
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500 alpha? that's new

nimble zodiac
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Meh we got 480 coming outta mle 54

orchid grove
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@teal raptor Current meta IMO is ok, just a little heavy for my taste (also, I'm not a huge fan of the silly consumables thing), but still infinitely preferable to the IS-4/268 meta, although I think that it's partly the result of teams advancing in their knowledge of offensive/rotational doctrine that they gained from the Progetto/Foch/FV meta, which really forced teams to learn to play faster, and honestly, at a higher level than the previous IS-4/268 meta where teams pretty much all just used rather basic "cap and wait for the enemy to push" sort of tactics.

Also, Kranvagn isn't really comparable to an autoloader, I find it's more akin to IS-4 in its usage. It's a hulldown tank that is a huge pain to deal with, but also with limited mobility and damage output (as opposed to more traditional autoloaders, which generally can't absorb any punishment, but put out huge damage). Sure it has the autoreloader, but in its role, it's more of a gimmick rather than a defining part of how it plays in tournaments

And yeah, I'm also massively disappointed by WG blocking off climbs. Before they were blocked off, I was a huge fan of climbing up Leopard 1s on some maps, and quite frankly, I don't see how WG benefits from blocking off climbs. Climbs are exciting and innovative to watch for the viewer in tournaments, and are also very fun in the special gamemodes they put out like uprising and mad games. An honestly, it doesn't really affect the player experience in pub matches, as I cannot think of a single time I have seen someone on a climbed position in a normal pub match (on NA at least)

teal raptor
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Agreed. Well executed climb-strats were part of differentiating between good and truly great teams.

candid steeple
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they even blocked off the path between the house and the rock on one map where usually smaller tanks could fit trough and skip the road around.

Further more they blocked some spots that had no impact on the regulars. While they still keep the spots on Canal form which only WT and Grilles can utilise to shot meds at the mid portion of the meds side. Like they get rid of unimportant spots but don't remove spots that alowe TD's to shoot meds behind the cover.

scarlet fjord
turbid smelt
orchid grove
scarlet fjord
turbid smelt
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@orchid grove poggg
@scarlet fjord so only my 183 hits that one crate not even on reticle? xd

candid steeple
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Hey I just baunced the the back of IS-8. WG? 259mm Ap shell bounced of the IS-8 turret back?

I hit the center.

jagged crescent
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You should try aiming

scarlet fjord
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@turbid smelt my 183 is as accurate as the grille 😎

candid steeple
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I think that you spent all rng luck with that shot

turbid smelt
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why is super charger equipment so useless?

thick rover
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should make velocity speed of light

turbid smelt
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tvp blushes

unique scaffold
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*looks at tvp having 1300+ M/S

exotic halo
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how dare you even tell that the 252U is balanced?

teal raptor
# turbid smelt why is super charger equipment so useless?

It is very good on some tanks. Mostly benefits tanks using APCR as it improves your penetration values with range - noting APCR penetration values attenuate sharpest over distance. HE - HESH and HEAT penetration values are fixed. AP loses some penetration value with distance but not as much as APCR.

exotic halo
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yee, my bad, i forgot that it's normal to not pen the side of a russian tier 8 premium heavy with a tier 9 tank with calibrated shells, sorry

distant river
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Don't aim for the spaced armour section and you will pen just fine 🤷‍♀️