nerf SmasherIS OP
#tank-balance-discussion
chrome elm
minor minnow
#BuffTheE6
Ways to do it
1:bring the E5 consumables to the E6
2:buff the cupola to make it stronger (like the e3 cupola)
@cerulean gorge okay that’s NOT what I agreed with, I was thinking maybe a 10-15mm buff, just something that makes it more difficult to hesh
cerulean gorge
I do not think both buffs are needed , i just spoke some possibilities to buff it ,
With the consumables and provisions it will be more competitive
With a more hard pennable cupola it will be better , not that Giant cupola that everyone hits everytime
That Giant weak cupola negates the propose of The good torret armour
This is paper to all tier 10 , make the cupola 270
jagged crescent
Oh dear, this tank is not the best at something that I want it to be so I'm gonna ask for redundant buffs and then claim them as "competetive"
unique scaffold
give consumables
make a weak spot require gold
Ladies and gentleman this is not you how buff a a premium
remote oriole
The idea of that cupola is not that it’s balanced because people miss it but that it’s balanced because it has trollish armour. It’s basically the T110E5’s cupola brought back on a faster chassis and as a premium
nocturne mauve
That’s aggressive
cerulean gorge
T95E6
More 15mm to the cupola
Just to make it more reliable at hulldown
And maybe, just maybe as it is american the windows consumable
cerulean gorge
@solar sorrel what do you think about that?
( i pinged you because you are available, green status)👆👆
unique scaffold
Yeah well she won’t respond. She also does not deal with the tank buffing/nerfing. Not where her role applies
round bluff
Who decided the e3 needed to be able to go 45km/h
nimble zodiac
The side and rear armor ;)
distant river
And the 75mm frontal weakspot 😋
round bluff
So why shouldn't the e100 also go 45?
crisp elm
cuz it gets 1k more hp
stiff edge
and way better sides and rear and a turret
🤔
distant river
And a turret
round bluff
Still a worse heavy than e3 lmao
turbid smelt
not as bad as e4
final warren
Hey devs I have a question/proposition for you. In order to make the equipment “enhanced tracks” more appealing, what if you buffed it so that it also gave a small terrain resistance boost?
crisp elm
front line tfs like the jageru and the e3 should get a hp buff
nocturne mauve
No, the heavies should be reverted
jagged crescent
I was just thinking reduced.
Like Maus down to 2800, E100 2600, IS4 2450, IS7 2400, Heaviums 2200 and etc
viscid blade
215b really needs like a small ufp buff, like myb 20-30mm without angles
unborn jay
I think t14 needs a bit of a rework to be honest. It bullies tier 5s to the point you can’t really lose but evaporated if it comes in contact with a tier 6
nimble siren
nerf pershing it is op
crisp elm
it would be nice for heavies to be reduced but it wont happen
lofty skiff
I had an interesting thing happen in a game not too long ago. It was a 2 v 1 or something and I destroyed an enemy tank causing the turret to blow off. Unfortunately the turret landed on top of my tank dealing about 50 dmg which was enough to kill me. I saved the replay. Just a question for developers if this occurence was intended or considered?
shrewd harness
Or just remove sheri (Do all of us a favor)
unique scaffold
Smasher needs a huge nerf.
1st. Accuracy
2nd. HEAT pen
3rd. Speed
4th. HE pen
And then pls bring T-150 back or the old KV 2. KV 2 is nerfed a lot while maybe, make it the same as smasher so it can counter a smasher.
nimble zodiac
You're asking to slap Smasher down below Tankenstein basically
plush perch
Ppl who paid money for it will get frustrated , also , smasher cant pen tiger 2 frontally with 275mm of heat pen , but conway can butter it with 275mm pen , stats are false
nimble zodiac
@plush perch AP is subject to normalization, taking off 5 degrees of the angle at which the shell had hit the armor at, increasing penetration effectiveness, HEAT though, does not experience any normalization on contact. This retains the mechanics of the game, and you are not being lied to, you just haven't been taught the concept of normalization, unless you simply forgot
vale sun
smasher is a collector tank which means it is subject to balancing
however, wargaming never actually adjust collector tanks anyway
crystal halo
Smasher isn’t very fast considering it doesn’t have armour
crystal shuttle
Yup
plush perch
duh , it is fast
crystal halo
Not really
full token
It’s not paper armor tho
crystal halo
But you’re not going to be bouncing a lot, and why would a heavy be paper?
plush perch
@crystal halo it is broken , armor is very hard to pen for tier 6 tonks
turbid smelt
doesn't it has 150mm of armour
tier 7 meds have lower standard penetration value than that
not even considering effective armour at the moment
teal palm
The hull itself only needs around 145mm to pen easily
latent snow
If ur driving a t43 sure but otherwise it’s an easy pen
summer mist
Smasher is a collector and Predator is also a collector, that's the only common thing
We all know how TRASH is the Predator, with no armor
And still surprising to see WG ignoring this tank since it's release
latent snow
I remember them saying that they can’t change the tanks characteristics since it isn’t owned by them
unique scaffold
#buffSPIC
The T32 should be given a penetration buff with its standard rounds and also with the APCR rounds
plush perch
pen what makes it not op , if u look at turret it is like impenetrateable
viscid blade
t32 is fine, especially with the consumables
215b not fine, ur ufp is so weak that heavies can pen ur ufp with pramo even if ur angled upwards, give it like 20-30mm nominal more on ufp
unique scaffold
Lost
unique scaffold
You fools are lost. I did some tests with my smasher and other players in the training rooms and it’s basically an anti medium and light tank destroyer. Mediums have little to no hope in winning a 1v1 because of the pen of the smasher, the speed, and armor. Guns of 90mm caliber have a great difficulty penning the front of the smasher at any angle. The sides of the turret are also very troll with some shots bouncing and others going thru. Heavies have a greater chance to put gun the smasher but more times than not the smasher can our dpm a heavy. Don’t even get me started with TD’s, the only one that was capable of 1v1 and winning was a Ferdinand. Also biased theory is that they nerfed kv2 before introducing smasher so that everyone would buy it because it’s better. But that’s just my train of thought
unique scaffold
Why don’t you just realize they aren’t going to nerf it because it is making them money? I keep losing brain cells here
drowsy idol
Wdym smasher is nothing compared to e 25
indigo knot
Yes Smasher is unbalanced but 1v1 is not a correct way to say tank is OP or not
full token
That’s true, but the points about the mediums and heavies not being able to pen and all can be valid, if he was trying to test different angles as well
karmic steeple
I mean the hull is pretty much butter
minor minnow
Yes it is but the hull is so short in relation to the turret
jagged crescent
U only need 160mm of pen for the turret
agile condor
Turret is very distracting to say the least. Only time I've ever paid attention to the hull was when I was the last soul standing and about to die lol. Still lots of places to pen up there, unless you're uptiered
nocturne mauve
Please give Ho Ri a better HE damage
unique scaffold
That’s a joke. Any gun with 90mm or less has a big amount of problem penning the smasher. Do the tests yourself in a training room. Most tanks that are tier 6 have small guns (especially mediums) so when aiming at the hull it’s not butter, even with premium ammo the shots are super likely to bounce or not pen the hull. Do you guys even have the smasher tho?
Yeah but you keep complaining as if it’s gonna change something. Listen to me, they aren’t nerfing it cause it makes them money. Before they nerf it, it will definitely get sold for $50 at least. So you can stop complaining cause no one wants to hear it anymore. Welcome to reality. Money > balancing
nocturne mauve
Why does everyone act like you can’t do anything against smasher, well it is an extremely good tank, but you can do something against it rather than complaining all the time
remote oriole
Don’t stop complaining. It’s literally the worst thing you can do. Speak your mind and you will get a response of some sort, but if you remain silent you only waste your own potential
Oh and, by the way, Smasher is broken, it was never a good idea to put a tank like that in the game and it should be nerfed to be a tier seven KV-2 (nerfed edition)
stiff edge
Its not broken its op
nocturne mauve
Keep in mind smasher’s worst enemy is black prince, which is truly broken imo. Its 3k DPM can melt a smasher easily in about 30 seconds, plus it has really troll armour and stupid consumables and provisions. It proves that WG either buff too little or buff too much
karmic steeple
They’re both broke
knotty delta
yeah but the black prince is slow and requires a little pre planning. the smasher has enough mobility to pretty much "whizz" (within the realm of heavies) around the map folllowing wherever the reds pop up and having its massive alpha means it doesnt have to expose itself as much when it needs to trade, making the smasher better when in a tier 8 battle, the black prince needs to sit to deal its damage and at tier 8 its armor is not doing much.
not saying black prince isnt broken but i dont think its on the same tier as the smasher
nocturne mauve
Black prince is broken
crystal spoke
The bp is definitely broken i just rather fight one instead of a smasher
stiff edge
T29 is op too
jagged crescent
the buff to the hull was completely unnecessary
nocturne mauve
They overbuffed a million tier 7s, and let me guess. The reason is because wg introduced too many powerful prems
fiery dagger
That's right. In my opinion, here are the, even if slightly, but still overbuffed/broken ones.
Tiger I, T29, Black Prince, IS, Chi-to spg, Jgpanther, T25 AT, Panther I, Helsing, Dracula, lycan, smasher, T34-1, LTTB, lupus.
That's ~a quarter of all the tier 7's, still, you don't really see any other vehicles, the others, which aren't exactly bad, just pointless while having these at the current meta.
latent snow
Vulcan is trash?
karmic steeple
Wtg half those tanks definitely not
fiery dagger
Which do you think not? And i said some of them are just slightly more capable than they should be, not definitely broken.
Tiger I - A heavium with great mobility, that makes it very difficult to flank, and firepower. Now with armour, most same tier meds can't penetrate frontally.
T29. I shouldn't really explain it.
Neither Black Prince.
IS - also a heavium/trading heavy with mobility, now capable of frontlining after the HP and armour buffs. But less of a problem than those mentioned before.
Chi-to spg - too good armour and firepower combined with 10 deg gun depression. Too deadly for tier 6.
Jgpanther and T25 AT are kind of in the same boat except less outstanding.
Panther I. A heavy with medium mobility after the armour buffs along with incredible firepower. Too deadly for facing tier 6, even same tier meds.
Helsing and drac shouldn't be explained, neither smasher, lupus and lycan.
LTTB. It's an interesting cause for me. It's a fun tank, definitely. Also, it can do the light tank job better than any other, while having enough armour to not be punished that hard. It's not broken, just a honourable mention imo.
T34-1 can just perform a little too well in every area, what you'd call a perfect medium.
Sorry for the long essay.
stiff edge
not the longest ive seen on this server
regal grove
Lycan is good? That’s a first
nimble zodiac
Lycan wasn't as quick to be shot down as a mediocre tank, so yeah, it has a semblance of a broken tank, but by the mechanics of the game and its tanks, isn't that practical
winged barn
The lycan is just an IS that was granted turret armor and 10° of gun depression. While not excessively broken, it is simply a better version of an IS
nocturne mauve
There’s just something that doesn’t sound right with the Lycan, it sounds really good but it’s quite average
nimble zodiac
Almost like people realized it has a lower plate and started shooting it
robust hull
So are we ignoring the fact that LTTB is completely OP? Ok
nimble zodiac
Type 62 wins a lot more, and AMX 13 57 wins more
coral wadi
ugh vk16 leo should be pen buffed
jagged crescent
naw
formal vale
it just had its pen nerfed
turbid smelt
been awhile since someone said dracula and helsing are op, lel u serious
you couldn't reason a single point
I wouldn't agree with IS nor with T 34 1 to be one the list of op/broken, T 34 1 is pretty good but it and IS aren't even worthy to be in honorable mention.
Same I would say about Lttb but many players simply fail to aim, so I'll let that pass.
anyway op and broken has lost its meaning by now, anything remotely different is considered that, can't really tell what you mean with op/broken, when you made a list with stupid strong tanks and then added bunch of good tanks into it...
mental pasture
Lol, people saying that LTTB is op never have seen a Type 62
- 300 HE damage for a 85mm cannon
- 250mm HEAT pen (that is only weaker than AP by 25mm less damage)
- 4.8 secs reload for 200 damage
302m view range - Second best concealment of tier 7 (if your enemy have 300m view range, he/she will only spot you at 220m)
- Can DPMout even Dracula because of 2500 DPM and 1219 HP
- Troll turret (seriously, hulldown will be actually funny on Type 62)
In fact, it have the best Tier light 7 WR of all those 90 days for a reason. 59,93% win rate
I would be veeeery sad if WG nerf it because it was a quite expensive tank, but a nerf still tottaly understandable
nocturne mauve
And it’s one of the OG premiums and still OP, because it was so good I thought it was one of the newer prems. However it was an extremely good investment for £8.99
mental pasture
Since 2016 Type 62 was subestimated because it isn't from the biggest tank lines, but it makes a lot of medium tanks cry for mama
formal vale
@mental pasture all 85mm guns do 300 damage with HE, but yeah the Type 62 is extremely OP.
Also, in regards to the LTTB, the LTTB got nerfed quite a bit, so I don't think it's OP atm. It's definitely an alright tank, but it's nowhere near as good as it used to be.
What's also stupid is the fact that 85mm caliber guns do more HE damage than the vast majority of 90mm guns (300 vs 270). The only exception to this is the M4190, which has higher than average AP damage and higher than average HE damage (240 and 320 respectively). The T26E5 Sheriff and Progetto 46 do 240 with AP but only 270 with HE.
frail silo
Which do you think not? And i said some of them are just slightly more capable than they should be, not definitely broken.
Tiger I - A heavium with great mobility, that makes it very difficult to flank, and firepower. Now with armour, most same tier meds can't penetrate frontally.
T29. I shouldn't really explain it.
Neither Black Prince.
IS - also a heavium/trading heavy with mobility, now capable of frontlining after the HP and armour buffs. But less of a problem than those mentioned before.
Chi-to spg - too good armour and firepower combined with 10 deg gun depression. Too deadly for tier 6.
Jgpanther and T25 AT are kind of in the same boat except less outstanding.
Panther I. A heavy with medium mobility after the armour buffs along with incredible firepower. Too deadly for facing tier 6, even same tier meds.
Helsing and drac shouldn't be explained, neither smasher, lupus and lycan.
LTTB. It's an interesting cause for me. It's a fun tank, definitely. Also, it can do the light tank job better than any other, while having enough armour to not be punished that hard. It's not broken, just a honourable mention imo.
T34-1 can just perform a little too well in every area, what you'd call a perfect medium.Sorry for the long essay.
@fiery dagger The IS is no where near broken it is a good tank but not broken
i might agree on the JagPanther but not the T25 AT because its armor has always been good
Chi-to SPG is easy pen with prammo same for T25 AT although JagPanther is a bit too troll
for the Tiger 1, by most same tier meds can't pen it frontally, you mean with standard ammo right? you can penetrate it if you load prammo and there is nothing wrong with needing prammo to penetrate a Heavy and it is also very flat.
also your point on the Chi-to SPG being deadly against tier 6s is irrelevant
T-34-1 is also just a good tank but yeah it can be annoying because of how low profile that tank is lol.
plush perch
IS is a medicore
coarse harness
The lycan has trash gun and the hull is just troll
T-34-1 is a great tank but it has paper hull, no gun dep and you can set it on fire frontally
T25 AT has only one weakness which is the bad gun handling
If you use all your gun dep even some T8-s will sruggle to pen you
Chi-To SPG is the same
frail silo
IS is a medicore
@plush perch not really
it is pretty mobile but speed capped
gun is not bad either
tank is a beast top tier if you know how to play it
plush perch
only when top tiered, 175mm pen in tier 8 match as a tier 7 tonk is shet
winged barn
laughs in is6
distant river
laughs in T44
fiery dagger
@frail silo I didn't say all of this are broken. I just collected those too, which just outperform others in the same playstyle/class.
plush perch
Pretty sure Is cant outperform tiger 1
fiery dagger
And are they the same playstyle..?
Tiger can be compared to fv221 A45, Amx m4 45, Vk45.03, etc.
compact nymph
« the IS is a beast top tier if you know how to play it » except that in regard of the top/bottom tier matches distribution, T7 acts like T8-1. So it will be a beast situationally only.
crystal shuttle
Please buff VK 100.01 P speed 20->25
unique scaffold
no
dark glen
Ye buff the best tier 8
#devs-answers
unique scaffold
It’s not but ok
turbid smelt
good to super good players are performing well in it, definitely tank is not the problem
full token
Where’s the 7.1 stats :((
compact nymph
@harsh jungle no point in spamming your drawings in every channel, especially if they are not related to the channel’s topic.
gleaming apexBOT
joshua the inevitable#9213 was softbanned
jagged crescent
Big brain Joshua
errant birch
Remove smasher
rare mauve
dont remove smasher no point in doing so. just nerf armor maybe
minor minnow
WG makes too much money off of the tank, no way they will
agile condor
If they was gonna nerf they would have already I feel like
lone warren
The armour is the last thing that needs to be nerfed on the Smasher.
I’d rather they nerfed something about the gun, whether it be dispersion values and or reload time
coarse harness
The smasher rant is getting boring
Pls cry about other tanks too
nimble zodiac
Uh uh
Berf Tiger II
+Upper front plate armor
-Lower front plate armor
compact nymph
The armour is the last thing that needs to be nerfed on the Smasher.
I’d rather they nerfed something about the gun, whether it be dispersion values and or reload time
@lone warren leave the reload as it is and give it 560/490/680 alpha, problem solved 🤷♂️
coarse harness
Since the Tiger II has a pretty significant speed advantage over the Löwe it does not deserve that ufp buff imo
nimble zodiac
But I also want a power front plate nerf...
nocturne mauve
Smasher complains are nothing, how about the black prince
tulip tiger
Buff AMX 13 90 more pls and the T-44-100 too pls
nimble zodiac
Can Gravedigger get one or two of these buffs?
+Pen
+Accuracy
+Turret Roof Armor
+Gun Depression, even though it appears to violate physics
crisp elm
i prefer pen
pastel cairn
Definitely pen
nimble zodiac
I usually find accuracy as the problem, as it prevents me from hitting the spots I can pen, and if you get tier 8s, APCR is your friend, the height doesn't help either
crystal spoke
Tbh I've struggled more with the recoil causing you to reload the next shot before your done stabilizing again (plus it looks a bit sill with how exadrated it is
muted rampart
I think all vk 72 01 K branch needs buff. It Has absolutely no point. T8 is shit, t9 is pretty bad too and t10 is completly uselles. Today i got mastery on T9 for 3300 dmg... i had 0 spot/track dmg. The Exp was around 1250. How The hell is that an Ace? It shows really good that nobody plays those tanks. T10 is The worst heavy on t10, The 9 is pretty Good when facing t8, but on t10 is completly uselles. T8 Has no armor and can be penned with he frontally if you aim Good... ik that There are some People that like those tanks, but it doesn t mean that They Don t need any Buffs. Why vk 45 02 B is slower Than e75? Armor is better on e75, mobility The same. They have The same guns. I think it should get The same mobility as e75, and more frontal turret armor. But The lower plate armor should be nerf in exchange. t8 is better on it s tier Than t9, but it could use some armor on front. I Don t want it to be broken. Just maybe 200-220 on front of The turret and delete weakspots like this penable with he, The hatch and machine gun. Armor is weak even without them. T10 should just have 330 of effective armor on side weakspot and it would be Good. These buffs won t make any of those tanks broken, but it will definetly make them more popular.
ionic ivy
4502 B is a sidescraper, it actually has decent sides. The 7201 however, is not a sidescraper. You have to keep your front pointed towards the enemy since they either have to aim really hard or use gold to pen. Other than that, I think the line is fine. This is just how the tank is meant to be played.
muted rampart
@ionic ivy it s not The point. Tanks are playable and like i told There are some People that even like them. And The other thing, you Don t need to teach me how to Play them. Yes vk 45 B is side scraper. But what s The point of it, when most of t8 and nearly every t9 can pen front of your turret with gold and most t10s even with ap? This is why i want it to be buffed in exchange for lower plate armor. That will make it fit better it s role. T8 Don t need any weakspots because armor is bad enough. I think it should bounce at least t7. The turret is that weak, that even some t7 can pen it with ap, so it should be buffed a little. T10 needs this weakspot removed because it s ruining the tank. Ik how i need to poke up, but i still think this weakspot should t be There, because you can t always hide it. These tanks will be, a lot more popular if they will get buffed
teal raptor
Is this balanced? @nimble zodiac (reply to below) - I have played 8 games this evening in the Sheridan. 75% WR, 3.2k avg dmg, 3.5k WN8 - in that one replay where team melted it did not make a difference obviously - that scenario can happen to any player in any tank. Regrettably, I can’t control my teams lol.
nimble zodiac
Considering you haven't done too much to keep the battle from a 1v5 against you, sure
@surreal sequoia as one speck in the community, you can't say everyone. DOn't advocate for the entire playerbase/community
stiff edge
that jag was full hp b4 he shot him
plus all the other tanks
pretty sure he would have had to do at least 3k extra to win
with half hp and cap pressure
surreal sequoia
I know this has been said thousands of times but it is so stupid how missiles even exist. I’m sick and tired of them. Please just remove them and make them normal ammo. They’re so stupid. No point of holding a ridge when a Sheri and 92 can just keep shooting missiles at your non missile firing tank. What’s the point of hull down when you can loop a missile to there hull? What’s the point of holding canyon mid when you can just spam missiles over. I am sick and tired of these stupid rockets. No point of playing any tank for that matter when you can just play a Sheridan. And no will not play tier 1-7 cause honestly they’re just boring. And no I won’t quit unless I feel that I will go insane which I partially already am. So please remove these stupid missiles and make them heat. No nerf will ever make them balanced.
Love,
Most higher tier people in the community.
regal grove
yes you basically wasted a few minutes of your life typing something like you said thousands of times
surreal sequoia
Ik but it’s fun to rant and I have all the time in the world rn
nocturne mauve
VK 45B doesn’t even have thick sides to sidescrape
unique scaffold
it's turret is located near the rear of the tank which makes it an effective sidescraper
ionic ivy
that doesn't mean anything if the sides are able to be overmatched
regal grove
lol its sides are he'able by cheap hesh imagine sidescraping with that
mental pasture
Hmmmm VK45 B, I don't see this name from a long while ago
unique scaffold
i have 350 games in it, u guys probably over angle it
nocturne mauve
No, it just has thin sides
regal grove
mad lad playing 350 games in a 45.02🅱️
nimble zodiac
Take away from the 50mm frontal track roof, this tank can work tho
jagged crescent
Most higher tier people in the community." ```
What kind of authority arguement is this yooooUh excuse me I’m part of the the Higher Tier community and I don’t stand with this guy. I’m all for the ATGM’s being reworked but I don’t think they’re game breaking per say, that’s probably just me as a heavy tank player but I don’t find much trouble against them even in my E50M, just wiggle or hug the cover your behind. And I state this argument again (albeit a weak argument). At least in my MM, I haven’t met competent Sheridan and T92 players, and those who are Competent have adopted the T49’s playstyle, running around the map derping people while remaining unspotted. If anything I see people using them more as a slow HEAT shell nowadays
knotty delta
I’ve been hit by a missile once in the past few weeks and that was after the t92 missed multiple missives and I was sitting in a stock Ho Ri T2 so I was pretty much immobile. I don’t really ever see missiles being used anymore and the T92 and Sheridan’s just use the 560 alpha normal ammo
jagged crescent
eat the missiles with tracks easy 😎
thin lichen
T32 needs gun handling + small pen buff
crystal spoke
You can also bounce them with your mantlet and barrel with most tanks
turbid smelt
I do agree that there aren't as many competent atgm user
but I can make that atgms sing very well and completely annoy enemies.
This replay is of is4 bouncing atgm
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plush perch
u can dodge them when u are in a fast tonk but what about when u are in a slow tank?
charred bobcat
You can tell that guy doesn't know how to use atgms very well simply because he's overexposing himself to shoot lol.
That clip is honestly nothing special and doesn't prove anything.
turbid smelt
@charred bobcat sadly that is how most players I face on eU server use them
quartz steeple
Well then I think I m glad to be in NA server
nocturne mauve
EU has the highest average stats though
turbid smelt
yea, me and other players keep pulling them up
xD
this clip is of replay 2 days ago
I know how well they can be abused, I posted 7 clips of abusing atgms few days ago in atgm discussion but that got recently closed...
unique scaffold
It’s clips like this that both make me glad the 370 pen nerf happened and angry I didn’t use it during the time
charred bobcat
A buddy in my clan has almost 5k battles in the sheridan and frequently pulls crazy shots onto people who are completely behind cover. It's at the point where you can't even consider it "a lucky shot". It's especially unfair during tournaments. I can send some gifs if you wanna see how a good player absolutely abuses atgms.
full token
Send pls
turbid smelt
basic atgm shots
I got few more
I got less than 500 games lel
I am just comfortable with atgms because they follow pretty much the same mechanics as we had in t49a event for touch players
nocturne mauve
See? It’s unfair
thin lichen
its only "unfair" because that person decided to spend 5 THOUSAND games in one tank, obviously after that many hours put in to practicing one specific thing you get good at it
full token
Well if you think the shots that it enables are acceptable what can I say 🤷♂️
turbid smelt
I got 4 more clips which I would post after cooldowns
plush perch
@thin lichen it is still unfair , he is shooting over cover
thin lichen
maybe learn how to evade them then?
turbid smelt
charred bobcat
Lol having 5k battles in an is4 doesn't allow you to hit people from across the map behind cover. My point is he's had so much practice that those "lucky shots" turn into a regular thing. I'm not gonna go into a tournament battle saying "oh no we're facing the guy with 5k battles in the is4", but I would certainly be worried about facing someone who has 5k battles in the sheridan and has a lot of experience with atgms.
You can't "learn to evade" someone who has precise aim buddy.
Again, people are missing the point. It isn't the matter of balancing the sheridan, it's the matter of balancing atgm.
nimble zodiac
Ok fair nuff
unique scaffold
Just wait for the new stats. ._.
iron lynx
The Vickers Light WR is just slightly less than 61%, I'd say the tier 9 Vickers Cruiser with almost 66% WR is the one that's unbalanced.
muted rampart
Those 3 vks imo are for now The most forgotten line in The game, along with chinese tds and british/american meds. I think all of those lines should be rebalanced
crystal shuttle
Please buff VK 100.01 P speed 20->25 km/h
nocturne mauve
No
muted rampart
@crystal shuttle it doesn t need any buffs. It s overperforming even without it. There are Many tanks that need a buff, a way more
thin lichen
why buff that vk if its one of the best performing t8 heavy tanks, buff a tank like t32 or something that actually needs a buff lol
pta is a good tank just special play style you need to get used to
muted rampart
@thin lichen yeah.For example T32, vk 45 A, vk 45 B, vk 72, wz 113 G FT, leopard PTA and sta 1
teal raptor
@turbid smelt pretty much- ATGMs so broken lol
turbid smelt
yea, just mastering them gives too many opportunities
crystal shuttle
Yeah but it sucks when you tell people to go right or left ,depends where your heavy 20km/h tank is going and they ignore you... So youre alone and IT will take the whole battle time to actually move in the front to deal something
remote oriole
Maybe... just follow the team and don't just go in one direction
rancid wharf
A buddy in my clan has almost 5k battles in the sheridan and frequently pulls crazy shots onto people who are completely behind cover. It's at the point where you can't even consider it "a lucky shot". It's especially unfair during tournaments. I can send some gifs if you wanna see how a good player absolutely abuses atgms.
@charred bobcat Moe b battle spamming.
ruby monolith
You know, over time all the tanks are just getting more and more powerful. In the future wg should do some sort of reset in which all tanks (including premiums) get nerfed. Though that would get an awful backlash
muted rampart
@ruby monolith I agree in 100% with that.
thin lichen
If all the tanks get a nerf it wouldnt get backlash as the meta wouldnt change and the overpowered tanks would still stay overpowered compared to other tanks
nimble zodiac
The pace of the game depends on the meta
ionic ivy
Right now it's heavies holding and waiting for their meds to push. If med side is won, the game is won 90% of the time.
nocturne mauve
Right now it’s heavy spam
vale sun
T32 is fine, it would be really good if it wasn't for the pen
round bluff
Badger should get actual cheap hesh
austere citrus
we can get another buff to the LOWE, maybe a speed buff?
nimble zodiac
Nope, Lowe is good
compact nymph
^ It’s at a fine spot right now, not any better than it’s tech tree counterpart but by no means bad and it makes nice credits.
jagged crescent
It’s a balanced Tiger II
compact nymph
Honestly, who’s going to cry about a balanced Tiger II that prints 250k credits on aced battles?
nimble zodiac
And still performs great in the right hands
vale sun
I'd be ok with a turret buff for the lowe but it's fine as is
nimble zodiac
Heh, I think the most useful buff would be for the UFP again, against tier 9s. Wiggle the turret
round bluff
dont wiggle the turret- the slightest turn lets people butter through it
compact nymph
Staying still, any gun with decent pen and good accuracy can pen you. I’d rather wiggle it and abuse the trollish shape along with it’s large gun mantlet.
nimble zodiac
Yeah, wiggling it doesn't mean turning it and stopping, you keep wiggling it
latent snow
Why cant my shots go through someones track and continue travelling?
nimble zodiac
THey like absorbing shells, especially highcaliber shells
nocturne mauve
I’ve been noticing much more of these shots, tracks are hard to pen nowadays
minor minnow
Same, either tracks are getting thicker or I still can’t aim
nimble zodiac
If your shell hits low on the tracks then there's probably no hull behind it
@winged barn if you hit the lower side of the tracks then you hit a very effective plate
winged barn
252u tracks appear to just eat shells. Hits exactly where I want (upper row of track links) and fails to pen.
I don't understand how it happens, but whatever, they do the same thing to my 252
minor minnow
Hit slightly above the track links then there’s nothing but hull there
karmic portal
What he said is correct, but rng trolls you sometimes. The fact that you need to aim that much to hit the sides is crazy. The thing is the bottom part of the tank is angled downwards so if you aim a bit low you can get trolled.
nocturne mauve
K-91 is the tank that I fail track shots on, those front tracks are so thick
nimble zodiac
@nocturne mauve if you hit the upper part of it you can probably see why
karmic portal
You see since the tank is elevated and the bottom part is angled, shooting that area near the top of the tracks can result in a bounce. You have to shoot in between the tracks area and top for a guarenteed pen
nimble zodiac
It doesn't have a big boy engine either
turbid smelt
it has very big and heavy kanone
still jackal
The 12.8 selbsfahrlafette auf vk3001 H (sturer Emil) had a very underpowered engine for its weight, that’s why partially it didn’t have armor
orchid grove
@robust hull Because it's a TD version of the DW2
crystal spoke
They didn't need armour as well
regal grove
it actually has quite a bit of armor in the front now
and uh yea it has like 15 deg gun dep so yea lots of fun
nimble zodiac
75mm OP
winged barn
I thought it was really fun before it got buffed. People now are just weak
jagged crescent
the tiers rn are just a mess
weary scaffold
I never complain about matchmaking but recently, this type of thing has been an issue. 2 meds vs 3 meds + a light??! What’s the deal? How is that balanced matchmaking. Purely on the maths, my team should have either an extra medium or a light. This is just dumb...
gleaming apexBOT
Lulu___ NoATGMs#6273 has been warned.
jagged crescent
Push the heavies then. Use their extra hp
strong condor
I miss old mm when it was more random
old plume
T95 need buff to armor!
remote oriole
@weary scaffold Mediums and lights don’t count as one class, and the new MM allows +/-1 fluctuations of the number of tanks of one class between the two teams. You got one more td and one more heavy to compensate. I think this is actually good for the game because now games aren’t as predictable anymore (the meta for both teams was usually the same because the number of tanks of one class was exactly the same in both teams and the maps are mostly symmetrical) since now the teams have different focuses and need to play differently from the enemy team to be more successful. I think this step backwards to a more random MM is healthy for the diversity of matches and it shows that WG goes back from regulating everything in the MM heavily which could end in very similar battles
weary scaffold
@weary scaffold Mediums and lights don’t count as one class, and the new MM allows +/-1 fluctuations of the number of tanks of one class between the two teams. You got one more td and one more heavy to compensate. I think this is actually good for the game because now games aren’t as predictable anymore (the meta for both teams was usually the same because the number of tanks of one class was exactly the same in both teams and the maps are mostly symmetrical) since now the teams have different focuses and need to play differently from the enemy team to be more successful. I think this step backwards to a more random MM is healthy for the diversity of matches and it shows that WG goes back from regulating everything in the MM heavily which could end in very similar battles
@remote oriole yea that’s a cute idea in theory. Personally I don’t think my 48% team mates on average are calculating the pros and cons of having a different lineup to the enemy and using this to influence where they position themselves....
remote oriole
Nobody said that they have to. You can make predictions of how your team will act based on what the lineups are and then predict how the enemy will act. You can then act accordingly by driving where you think you’ll be needed the most. You can also try signaling where you wish the team to go or just set an example by going there. This is not meant to make you win all games, by no means indeed, but this is meant to make games more interesting because uneven forces clash, and you can try to find and exploit the weakness of the enemy force
lone warren
@velvet elk is it really necessary to spam this in multiple channels?
velvet elk
Kinda lol
full token
Eh no
drowsy plaza
Balance by type is boring. The next folks are going to clamor for balance by exact tanks being cloned on red. The game thrives on diversity. If you try to pack everything the same it gets stale. I mean it’s not the 2014/days when you would see a 6+ tier imbalance some times. Red has 5 tier X and 2 9 and you have 2 9 and 5 tier 8... That was imbalanced.
regal grove
@drowsy plaza wait mod role reveal
plush perch
wait what
silent bane
WG please create a Smasher 2, with 800mm cannon 0.1 sec reload, 0.1 aim time, 70kmh top speed, 60 track speed, 3000 engine power, 10000mm in frontal armor, 700mm pen, 700 tons, and give 6kk credits for 1 battle
unique scaffold
Completely original and totally not an over used dead joke
nocturne mauve
I’ve seen worse things known as repost memes in the channel #738371110265159751
nocturne mauve
Please nerf the T92E1 again, I get snapshotted from this tank way more than any other tank. The gun handling is too perfect for a 152mm on a light tank
coarse harness
Yeah
That's pretty much the only good thing about the gun
It has trash pen, DPM, velocity, aim time and accuracy
wise saddle
Pfft T92E1 is nerfed too much.. bring back the old pen #buffatgms
jagged crescent
It needs to have best camo in game because it tiny and it must be impervious to HE because it american also where my 3k dpm like jagdtgier and why it no bounce everyting like maus what a scam 😠
sinful orbit
T92e1 needs to be able to fly and teleport otherwise it's trash
nimble zodiac
TOG needs more HP so it stays as special ._.
pastel cairn
^^ TOG does need more hp
TOG defender?
minor minnow
I’d be down for that
crisp elm
4 shot autoreloader
iron lynx
Can the WZ-120 get -5 gun depression like its heavy tank counterpart, -3 is basically useless in every single map except Himmelsdorf.
turbid smelt
no, learn to make fake gun depression with terrain
pseudo hedge
Buff K91 kappa
old plume
Buff T95 armor
marsh mauve
Buff kpfpz reload
viscid blade
Buff is4 armor
thick rover
^
civic cedar
plush anchor
WG should require players to go through the WOT BLitz game strategy and training in order to drive higher tier tanks (increase the level of training as you progress up to higher tiers). I understand it when you can get players in tier 2 or 3 games that drive in circles around trees, try to drive through rocks, drive backwards while attacking, camp and do not move, ram you from behind and prevent you from backing out of fire, do not move to help in battle, do not know how to peek and use cover, etc... But having those same players up in level 7, 8, 9, 10 makes the game unplayable. We all understand that at times you have to carry your team to win, but it is impossible to play when most of your team is chasing squirrels while you are getting circled by the red team. The idea is to at lest try and require players to know more about the game if they want to play the higher tier games. For every 60% player there has to be a 40% player, that is OK if they at least can give you a little support instead of just having no clue how to play.
median socket
Top dmg players on the defeating team should get more xp earned instead of the rest of the team
regal grove
well i guess i better farm damage then
jagged crescent
or you know, carry harder
turbid smelt
@median socket they do, if they get valiant effort
they get as much as xp as if they won
no point of giving more xp to losing team....
median socket
@turbid smelt more tho
nimble zodiac
If the losing team gets good XP then people will try to lose on grinds xD
plush perch
it is only for top players
distant river
Yeah but if you have a good game it's stupid to get more profit by losing on purpose...
robust hull
Why RHM needs to be so inaccurate? Does WT get better than it?
plush perch
Yes
nimble zodiac
I mean probably because they have a turreted 152mm in tier 8
nocturne mauve
And T92 has a stupid accuracy, even better gun handling than Sheridan for some reason
wise saddle
I thought the same thing, rhm was trash for me but after I got wt its so much better also don't bother with grille it's trash
robust hull
@wise saddle it’s shocking how you can aim better with the soviets than the Rhm
nimble zodiac
It's almost like they have more stable tanks given they're turretless
unique scaffold
Can tell BT7 Arty be buffed? The gun can’t pen higher tier vehicles, and the HE does like... 50 damage? Even against other tier threes, it has trouble pennning/ dealing damage.
minor minnow
It has the lowest pen in the game atm, since the PZ2J is getting a pen buff. The tank is in serious need of a penetration buff
plush perch
atgms should be removed, i was in a 1v1 situation againts sheridan and guess what , he sat on the hill firing atgm and i could not do anything
pseudo hedge
What tank where u in @plush perch
plush perch
Jageroo
full token
#devs-answers new stats when?
jagged crescent
When Belarus stops arresting civilians
thick rover
Irrelavant but ok
kind wren
Hi
pseudo hedge
Jageroo
@plush perch oh ... all I can do is honor u this F
weary scaffold
can we all agree the foch155 is the worst tier x td now. The nerf has just ruined it. It’s underpowered now. The HE is just sad, the low rolls with AP can be in the 400s, the gun arc makes snap shots very hard. I rank high in foch as well as other tds specifically - this thing sucks atm
remote oriole
No, we can’t agree on that
plush perch
what? dealing more than 1100 dmg in 7 seconds suck? u also have mobility and armor? are you joking or what? i can say jageroo is the worst tier 10 because i rolled 640 with it
shy trail
Nah even with the nerf on the foch 155,it's still a very good tank
coarse harness
People cried the tank will remain OP when they saw the changes but I haven't seen any complains about it after the actual update
distant river
Since the heavy buffs other classes just can't really compete well so any op meds or TDs are now just good tanks.
drowsy idol
I played like 200 games in ho ri and I got max roll twice
And 420 damage like a lot more times
pseudo hedge
Since the heavy buffs other classes just can't really compete well so any op meds or TDs are now just good tanks.
@distant river spaghetto 46 feels way less Powerful now
uneven orbit
hori is just a useless tank same like wz113 gFT
plush perch
nah , hori is pretty balanced
gleaming apexBOT
OGRE_HENTAI_THEIF#4557 has been warned.
robust hull
HoRi needs 6 shots to go over 3k damage. And you just need a minute to fire 6 times. 🤔
dawn wagon
But it's quite slow tho
unique scaffold
Why did I get a warn for spamming
@unique scaffold probably because you spammed the same image in multiple channels. That would be my guess.
twilit crystal
The old real problem with the foch 155 was that 960 he DMg with 2 shells with in 7 seconds
quasi cloud
And um grille will die in 2 shots isnt it? If its fullpen ofc
Grille suffer make grille camo better so tanks like e3 shouldn’t spot me in bush 230m away with camo net lmao /s
nocturne mauve
Or give it the old 60km/h
vale sun
except Ho-Ri can easily get 6 shells in thanks to its godlike pen
not to mention how the premium ammo only loses a laughable 15 alpha
plush perch
ho ri is balanced
formal vale
Yeah the Ho-Ri should either lose some penetration or lose some engine power. Right now it can both snipe and brawl with almost no downsides (ie having some weakspots and not having a turret). Why play the 268 or the 263 when the Ho Ri can fill both their roles
Also yeah, buff the HE. IDK why it's 640. Same goes for the KPZ imo
nocturne mauve
Ho Ri is a bit bad, that HE damage is miserable. The only bounces it has are troll bounces
regal grove
ho ri isn't as flexible with really bad gun dep and elevation and the worst arc (i think tied with 263)
plus its fat so not that great camo
karmic steeple
Fat and tall. 268 has better camo, more punishing alpha, much smaller profile and trollier armor
vale sun
ho ri armour is fine
it's easily defeated by aim or the 2 key
plush perch
@karmic steeple hori has better prammo pen and ho ri is balanced tho
karmic steeple
@plush perch yes I was responding to above comment that asked the question “why play the 268”. Ik the hori is balanced quite well
robust hull
Saying that HoRi needs a nerf must be a joke
shy trail
I love the ho-ri,it can pen anything with it's premium ammo
Well,not everything lol it can still bounce it's shell when a tank is sidescraping or hulldown position
robust hull
HoRi isnt a noob friendly tank. It takes time to learn how to drive and do damage. The lack of effective armor and gun depression makes it more about good spots and good timing to push. Any enemy in a wrong move take easily two shots in
uncut osprey
Idk what the hori is on but it bounces shells it should never be able to bounce, like full grey heat shells from my is-4 into the superstructure. But overall it seems like a balanced tank
nimble zodiac
I'd like to see a clip of that ;)
real bison
you slightly turn in a ho ri and everyone can pen
undone coral
Please buff Foch155 alpha
nimble zodiac
Only for the singleshot gun tho, because the autoloader would be crazy with 640
minor minnow
We all saw how the 640 autoloader went, big no no. It got a reload and interclip buff to compensate I believe, so that is definitely useful.
solemn crag
wargaming please look at this pic
the win rates
nocturne mauve
Lol
crystal spoke
I feel like I'm missing valuable information about this
uncut osprey
I mean honestly thats not that bad of mm
turbid smelt
why is sheridan performing so bad at tier x?
manic oriole
@solemn crag that looks super balanced lmao
unique scaffold
It is balanced. It isn’t even bad. If you think that is bad....
pearl inlet
Bob Semple tank?
zealous arrow
AMX m4 needs a buff WG forgot to buff it with other teir 7 heavies.
latent snow
There is no hope for that tank, just leave it
undone coral
wargaming please look at this pic
the win rates
@solemn crag I have seen 5 wr
solemn crag
bruh
jagged crescent
beautiful
crisp elm
buff the is6 dpm gun. make it have . t32 penetration
jagged crescent
naw
crystal spoke
It really doesn't need it its pen is fine
orchid grove
@solemn crag It’s actually pretty balanced dude. There’s only 3 50%ers in that game and they’re split 1-2. And everyone else in that match is bad so it doesn’t even matter. If you were good, that’s an easy win
silk depot
Can the vk 72.01k get some kind of buff the armor on it is weird and prem shell goes right through the lower plate and the sides of the tank. I know your supposed to wiggle or even “hide “ but the traverse is just so bad on top of that tanks can pen right through the front of the turret.
nimble zodiac
Make it a hard time to pen the turret, wiggle it back and forth, but only slightly
muted rampart
@nimble zodiac still it Has The worst dpm, one of The worst mobility on t10 do it should have some armor at least
unique scaffold
It does have armor, it has hit points, it has a high alpha gun. I think it is fine. No tank should be impenetrable
formal vale
@muted rampart it has the highest damage per shot of any heavy tank at tier 10 (next to the E100). It's not about the DPM, it's about the damage per shot.
Also it does have armor. You really just have to angle it correctly. It's not as straightforward as the VK 45 or E100 but it's not that bad. The main thing you need to do is bait shots with your weak spots.
jagged crescent
wiggle wiggle wiggle
winged barn
Penetrable areas to bait AP shots are very powerful. Far better than what happens with the is4 where everyone instantly loads gold
coarse harness
I would choose E-100 over it all day long
jagged crescent
e100 sexy
cerulean gorge
Is4 is the beat heavy if uses correctly
The only tank that IS realy reliable
limpid dirge
Missile is ridiculous, even it's already got nerfed to balanced it, it'll be OP, i played T110E5 on himmelsdorf, and hiding on hard cover facing towards him, and struck by two missiles on the turret roof
drowsy idol
In that case try changing positiosn
lethal star
e100 better than vk in almost every way, easier to use armour and more hp.. The only thing that realy makes the vk a lil better i think is that it has smaller weakspots (maybe more, but still) compared to the e100's huge lower plate and turret cheeks
limpid dirge
I mean, it changed the gameplay, but it's okay, new things, means new problems
latent snow
The e100 is much easier to penetrate with gold rounds compared to the vk72, I prefer the vk72 for the smaller profile and better angles
nimble zodiac
Or the obnoxiously thick frontal armor, but that's the point of it
muted rampart
@nimble zodiac I wouldn t say so. You can easly pen it s frontal weakspot like in löwe with ap and if you have 270-80 pen All lower plate is penetrable. Turret cheeks are easy to penetrate too if you aim Good. And if you are higher Than it you can penetrate it even with he if you have decent pen on it
jagged crescent
270 pen is not enough unless you plan to aim at the tiny bar
drowsy idol
you can actually pen the bar?
nimble zodiac
@drowsy idol VK 90 has 300mm bar, VK 72 is still down to 240mm, so yes. Also the only HE type shell I’d trust to pen VK 72 at given risk, it would be 183 HESH
muted rampart
@jagged crescent if it s not angled 270 is more Than enough. If its angled you need 290-300 so every t10 tank on gold not counting hesh guns can really easly go through it. If we poke up perfectly, this is how armor profile looks like. It s terrible for an angled super heavy tank. These are pictures of armor on This tiny bar, lower plate and turret cheeks.
I told about shooting from above. It Has 40 mm on hull roof so it can be easly he penned from above
nimble zodiac
Also I doubt you can manage a shot like that occasionally on the 40mm hull, even at that angle tanks like T110E5 can't
vale sun
every tank can be he penned from above lol
regal grove
if someone managed to hit that then that's your fault
jagged crescent
vale sun
maus armour kinda yikes bros
nimble zodiac
Even pennable with IS-7's APCR
jagged crescent
buff armor omg
shy trail
Maus is kinda easy to kill since the weak spot is easy to hit
turbid smelt
@vale sun haha
muted rampart
Vk just needs an armor buff. And to All people that say it s Good as it is, it isn t. Only shots that you can bounce with it are bad aimed or lucky ones. Every Good aimed shot penetrates it even if you are perfectly angled and even if its an ap shell
drowsy idol
Could we like buff the speed of t95
nocturne mauve
No
sand sky
@muted rampart Dude Yes Thank you finally someone who thinks the same
halcyon saddle
Prog 65 needs a small speed buff, it barely even reach its top speed without going down a hill, tbh the most sluggish tier 10 mt currently.
crystal spoke
Super persh- am i a joke to you?
It could use one but not a huge one
crisp elm
superpershing also needs a buff
austere citrus
nah, progetto has troll frontal armor, super pershing should get a turret roof buff, like the sides can be trash like it is now, but make the front like a tiger 2 but a little less OP than a tiger 2
nocturne mauve
Progetto 46’s turret is frustrating
drowsy idol
no its super angled hull is
nimble zodiac
Or don't shoot there unless you're a Jageroo or 183 (unless they don't use enhanced armor, which is probably the case anyways, then a 152mm+)
karmic steeple
Half of you are talking about tier 8 and the other half is talking about tier 10. Very intelligent conversation
stiff edge
lmao
jagged crescent
ur in a td and ur struggling to pen?
hardy hazel
He is in tier 4 playing agains tier 5, i have su-85i and nigthmare and is hard to pen T1 Heavy BDR and some others tanks so...
remote oriole
You will struggle in anything to pen some tier five heavies at tier four even when you get their side
unique scaffold
T1 heavy is just an absolute nightmare to be bottom tier against
and even some T6 cant pen it
karmic steeple
If you’re grinding you shouldn’t worry too much it shouldn’t take long.
If you’re not I suggest you stop playing tier 4
muted rampart
Whats in ur opinion t10 tank that needs buff The most? And explain why.
Imo it s vk 72, because of poor armor, mobility and lack of dpm. This tanks Has no advantages not counting Alpha dmg
untold chasm
Wot got too soft. Removal of the low tiers and especially those with the derp guns was just enough. People crying all the time..back in 2015 and 16 it was just fine..probably at its peak but now..ehhh
orchid grove
@untold chasm Nah, 2015/2016 Blitz was trash compared to what it is now. Maps were way worse, the meta was just awful Soviet med spam, +2/-2MM was frustratingly bad and unbalanced, there was way less tank variety, the list of faults goes on and on.
You just sound salty that you can’t sealclub in the T82 anymore
untold chasm
I have t82 and I do just fine in it😂
karmic steeple
@muted rampart maybe not a buff but definitely a rework the wz-113gt or whatever the Chinese td is. It’s literally just a worse 268. It has nothing unique that makes it useful other than the 20 seconds it has super consumables
crisp bane
@muted rampart B-C, it's a great tank but it could do with a damage buff
muted rampart
@crisp bane b-c is Great. It doesn t need a buff at All imo
formal vale
Batchat AP is garbage
tier 10 Batchat is alright, it could use a little more tuning
muted rampart
@formal vale both of those tanks are great. Idk why a lot of People hates them. Maybe Both tanks could use better reload between shells, but nothing more
Those tanks are really hard to Play so it s not suprising that average dmg an wr on them is bad
formal vale
#devs-answers will answer that question @muted rampart
orchid grove
The entire Bat Chat line needs 4 shells and nothing will change my mind
grave kayak
The entire Bat Chat line needs 4 shells and nothing will change my mind
@orchid grove
agreeable,,or a shorter mag reload
stiff edge
Batchat line is completely fine
Nothing wrong with being average while being fun
formal vale
that's the thing, the Batchat AP is far below average
The tier 10 batchat is ok, but it could really use a rework
thick rover
@stiff edge I agree with you
stiff edge
nothings wrong with being average lmao
not everything has to be buffed or changed @formal vale
o 🤔
formal vale
@stiff edge for one, I never said that the reason that they need to be reworked is that they are average. I just said that the Batchat AP is below average which adds to the fact that they should be reworked. The main reason why they should be reworked is that there is a better alternative to the way they are currently implemented. WG should add the AMX 13 105 line, basically copying over the Batchat's stats (just in a smaller tank) and also make the Batchats medium tanks with 4 shells and 350 alpha (and remove their camo on the move).
@orchid grove can attest to this
@nocturne mauve 1400 clip damage (probably with 3.5s between shells - 10.5s total) means a dangerous amount of damage over a not-so-short amount of time. If left unattended, it would be extremely dangerous. If caught out, it would be extremely hard to remedy. It would have a higher skill ceiling, essentially making it more fun for light/medium players.
It would be on a medium tank, keep in mind it would be retitled a medium and it would lose its camo on the move
nocturne mauve
4 shells? Why, imagine being permatracked by that. 4 shells is OP because that’s the highest clip output in the game on a light tank
BC should be a medium tank but even if so, it should not have so much damage output. I’ll only agree with a 2.5s intraclip or 350 alpha
stiff edge
@formal vale something has to be below average
at something
for something
in some area
as long as its workable its fine
bc 25 t ap's pen is fine
4 shells in blitz is tricky
either u keep 2 or 3 shells
or decide to reload for a very long time
orchid grove
@nocturne mauve 10s unload time though. Trust me, 10s is way longer than you think it is, especially in a tank with low gun depression and trash armor and low HP.
You, like many other Blitz players are making the mistake of equating clip potential with alpha. And at large clips, those are two VERY different things, but Blitz players are so used to tiny clips, so they make that mistake
And that’s not mentioning trash pen and accuracy too
Even with something like a Lorraine with 2.5s between shells and great pen and accuracy, hitting and penning all 4 shots in one sitting is extremely difficult
formal vale
@stiff edge that's simply untrue, everything has the potential to be balanced. The simple way to buff the Batchat AP is to buff its engine power and clip reload. I just think an extra shell and rebranding them medium tanks would be way more interesting and engaging.
Also, the fact that you cannot always use your whole clip kinda works in our favor in terms of balancing. Yes you have 1400 clip potential, but that doesn't mean you'll always use it (especially since it takes 10.5s to use it all).
nocturne mauve
Then why do you want it to be implemented if you pointed out the main downside which negates it? I quite like BC because of the quick drum reload
The thing about lorraine is that it’s very large and has no light tank camo plus 225 alpha. I think it is extremely difficult to use because you’ve got to put it in the right situations which is few
formal vale
I want it implemented because it's balanced. We're not advocating for something that's OP. It's just more fun to play since it requires more of the player.
stiff edge
@formal vale If everything was perfectly balanced, the game would be very stale
Since you usually dont use the entirety of the clip, this will probably make the BC worse, because for a longer time it needs to reload
it would be stale because not a single tank would be weaker or stronger than the other
it would be fair
but boring
boring because everything is SO balanced that no tank is better than the other
imagine what comp would look like tho lmao
jagged crescent
Balance doesn’t inhibit diversity if you can pull it off tho
drowsy idol
yea, we need to buff t 26
untold chasm
The russian tier 3? If so I like it..didnt it used to have another gun that shoot 4 shells?
stiff edge
T26 is tier 1 thanks to 5.5
unique scaffold
The japanese mediums got buffed but not STA? STA is already the worst medium in tier 8 and the chi ri was already pretty good
nocturne mauve
Chi ri isn’t good
ionic ivy
chi ri is memey. Type 61 is where the line becomes good
jagged crescent
STA’s fine
grizzled sleet
Chi ri is very good, probably the only good tank in the line until the 61. And no the STA is absolutely not ok, thing has nothing to work with except stupidly high HEAT pen and gun depression
turbid smelt
buff gun handling on amx cdc, it is absolute garbage for giant paper tank that supposed to have very good mobility but it is trash
round bluff
Chi ri is a nightmare. Massive, HE-able, awkward gun handling and bad pen
plush perch
yes , get HE ed from front
vale sun
Chi ri is a marmite tank, some love the gun
grizzled sleet
Maybe for you if you don't have good map knowledge for positioning. But get that tank in the right spots and the gun will sing
austere citrus
for e4, even tho i dont use the tank, i think turret buff so cheeks are penned by small calibers, like an jagd e100 would pen but like a is7 shouldnt, and um, buff the cupola to 225mm, and buff reverse speed, HP buff to 2200 would also be nice
turbid smelt
but is7 got big 130mm gun
unique scaffold
Is7 got best standard AP for some heavies which a lot of people flex until you point out the 300 pen APCR
round bluff
Maybe for you if you don't have good map knowledge for positioning. But get that tank in the right spots and the gun will sing
Sure, but so can a type 62. Or a panther. There's better armored/ quicker tanks that will reward you for good positioning over the chi ri
grizzled sleet
Not saying it's the best tier 7 I'm just saying it's not shit like people say it is and is actually quite competent in a tier full of borderline OP tanks. @plush perch if your having issues with being HE'd you clearly don't have the awareness to stay away from the big tanks that will hurt. Now even I would get shot on occasion but that's just how it goes, sometimes you get caught out of position but that maybe happened once out of every 15ish games
plush perch
not really , pen is really bad and can be HEed from front
nocturne mauve
Ah yes, good luck against the premium meta and heavy spam. Don’t rely on your premium ammo as that isn’t really that good either. If you want to see a truly bad tank then talk about Ho Ri T1
Chi Ri isn’t an awful experience(I think the pop gun is fun) but it definitely needed some buffs and I’m glad it got one because I am currently grinding this line and it was a speed buff, which id take over other buffs because if you have such poor armour you should have good mobility and it makes it more unique than other mediums
austere citrus
and i got thicc 380mm with my big fat Sturmmörserwagen @turbid smelt
round bluff
Chi ri is just a victim of having paper armor and huge size during a time where smashers are in every game
plush perch
su152 will always be in game
iron lynx
Chi-Ri is actually pretty decent apart from the pen
austere citrus
@Wargaming. For Tank Destroys, do not buff the health but instead buff alpha. Tank destroyers destroy tanks after all right? I think that you should decrease tier 8-10 tank destroyer health by 40% but increase alpha by 40% and penetration by 20%. This will make them a highly skilled weapon. If you have limited hit points, but your gun is fat and juicy for destroying. For light tanks, a dpm buff on all lights/meds by around 20%. Also increase Chinese coefficient to near premium levels. They are literally replicas of the Russian tanks yet they cost more to repair. If it's made in China, shouldn't it be cheap? @karmic portal arent tds suppose to be campy?
jagged crescent
I’m calling satire
karmic portal
That would be hilarious if they increased the damage of tds and lowered their hp. Make the game super campy
vale sun
Tank Destroys
turbid smelt
nah, that way there would be even less consistency with gun caliber and damage
they aren't artillery pieces and few tds have thick front or thick enough armour so they could play bit aggressive at second line or work around ridge lines
frail silo
aren't tds supposed to be campy? that is like saying a td line the jagdpanzere100 is supposed to camp
or something like the e3-e4
tds aren't supposed to camp, it ultimately depends on the tank's capability and characteristics
a jagdpanzer e100 isn't supposed to camp, a grille is supposed to snipe/camp but effectively
also why increase the alpha and penetration when they already get good alpha and penetration for the tier and dpm too
@austere citrus also for the love of god, stop trolling
plush perch
TDs meant to support fire
lunar flame
TD are supposed to camp.
KV2 as well. Imho its a pseudo td
thick rover
Lol...
compact nymph
TD are supposed to camp.
KV2 as well. Imho its a pseudo td
@lunar flame TD's are supposed to provide support fire. You can do that at medium range, even in a Nashorn.
The best thing to do with the KV-2 is to sell it, not like it was anywhere near good. Play a KV-1s instead, really.
"A pseudo TD" A TD that has both no armor and no mobility, along with worst pen in tier and worst accuracy in the entire game.
hearty steeple
This is a troll. It has to be. If players who take the initiative to join a community are like this, No wonder we see so many people just camp at the back.
meager dawn
This is becoming a problem, nerf smashers accuracy
unique scaffold
Lemme answer for the devs no they wont
plain mortar
strange wharf
balance
brazen field
balance
strange wharf
balance
brazen field
This is becoming a problem, nerf smashers accuracy
@meager dawn
looks like you got balanced
brazen field
why does this chat exist? the game is totally BALANCED
strange wharf
maus it totally balanced
brazen field
balance
brazen field
balance
unique scaffold
I don't have a problem with maus u just have to know how to deal with it
glass whale
Buff Maus Armor
lone warren
no
thick rover
^
nimble zodiac
Start using Maus’ armor 😂
rare mauve
.
nimble zodiac
I see AMX M4 mle. 54's stats
Armor seems really good
Gun seems very very good given the alpha, and the DPM doesn't sacrifice much in order to have such alpha. It does quite a lot of crew/module damage, accuracy is tolerable but not very good. The mobility is pretty nifty for a tank like that. I'm actually pretty interested to see how this fares in comparison to tanks like the IS-4
@regal grove very true, BUT it does get that AP normalization >:)
regal grove
on pc pretty sure it's one of the worst tanks in tier X
but that's probably because horrid prammo pen
jagged crescent
I mean on PC, gold rounds still do the full damage.
@regal grove I think it is. Quickbaby had it on the bottom of his tier list thingy
full token
It might be different here. The armor is pretty good, and the mobility doesn’t even lack too much. And then that gun seems pretty nice. Ofc it’s in testing so they’ll change it up over time
latent snow
And its sides are 125mm thick? i thought this was a french tank?
coarse harness
Yeah it's armor is way too much with the other parameters imo
austere citrus
@frail silo holy crap child, i aint trolling, im just sorry u cannot experience radical change
regal grove
too bad the changes are uncalled for
nimble zodiac
Radical change generally isn’t good change (5.5 happened)
jagged crescent
Radical change in general is a terrible idea
nimble zodiac
Also even though 183 is bad in general, the worst thing you could do is make it a legitimate death star, being able to clap 1820 AVERAGE, let alone 2275 max roll
I'd abuse the heck out of it though ;)
candid whale
Even after the Grille buff I think it’s still lame. Blitz Maps are just too small for it to shine. Some maps like Canal and Oasis Palms are pretty good, but the most you can do right now is buff the camo.
final warren
Imo 5.5 wasn’t that bad
And with the grille I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; if you know the maps and the sniping spots well, every map has a place for a sniper. It’s just a matter of map knowledge and predicting the game
And dynasty isn’t a map. It’s hell.
crystal spoke
It really wasn't I just hate that I missed a few of the tanks
distant river
Grille is very nice to play, average if you play it as a sniper but the dpm buff made playing it agressively so much more rewarding and it's just beautiful to play
nocturne mauve
High tier heavies have way too much HP, please reverse the buffs because it’s annoyingly hard to counter a heavy push rn. They already have armour to rely on, and now stupid HP amounts as their failsafes
And it’s really affecting ratings rn because people are spamming this class. And you’ve most likely lost if the enemy has a tier 9 super heavy and your team only has support or tier 8 heavies
nimble zodiac
Keep heavies equal on each team, ez
candid whale
Easier said than done, with how little people are playing ratings
jagged crescent
still ez
karmic steeple
Ur mistake was playing ratings
jagged crescent
Lost 16 points because of a Death Star player. Hnrghhhh
unique scaffold
Please make the tier x’s
real bison
make them what now?
ionic ivy
Yes, introducing tier xi
jagged crescent
XII better
ionic ivy
I'll do you one better, XIII
drowsy idol
Ex ai v
pastel cairn
XX
robust hull
I don’t see heavy spams at ratings. Before the HP buff was way worse because a medium tank could easily take out by itself a heavy. They had almost the same HP.
As an exception, the FV215b. Well...
unique scaffold
Heres a bit of an idea that can either fix or break the game more. Currently atgms are controlled by simply using the reticle which makes them somewhat easy to control. I suggest that atgms change guidance to the joy stick or movement keys. This means players are forced to guide the missile the whole way through and are stuck in place, you could argue that it would be easier to hit people behind cover, but it makes the missile more skill based and more rewarding and perhaps more fun. Let me know what you think
jagged crescent
That’s kinds interesting tbh
unique scaffold
Brit lights really needs a nerf
No they really don’t. Vickers is fine maybe cr needs a turret nerf but the vickers 105 is fine.
pale ermine
^^^
delicate spade
does anyone think t32 needs a buff on dispersion and gun?
hallow lake
Can the type 62 get some sort of shell velocity or pen buff?
delicate spade
Just give the t32 a god damn buff on the gun, isnt that hard
Edit: Losing most battles due to not being able to pen most other heavy tanks in my tier, APCR only mitigates it slightly
winged barn
If they cant pen you in return, I see no problem.
orchid grove
@delicate spade How are you unable to pen stuff with 198mm of pen?
Also, T32 isn't really about the gun. You don't need an amazing gun when you have over 2100 HP, ridiculous consumables, one of the best turrets in the tier and 10 degrees of gun depression
minor minnow
To be fair, I think a slight gun handling buff could be used, having the dispersion it has is unneeded for the caliber. Having .371 dispersion for a 105 gun when a T34 that has a 120 gun has .317 dispersion is ridiculous.
turbid smelt
120mm T 34 gun is quite accurate
fathom vault
I just returned to the game recently, don't know if this topic kinda old or not, but heres a white winrate player easily achieved this much by only spamming missile. Can anyone give me thoughts about this unbalancing?
austere citrus
`t32 with a small speed buff would be nice ngl
delicate spade
The speed is fine for the t32
regal grove
if even after heavy buffs, premium provisions, AND consumables, you think T32 needs a buff then you are bad
look at the HEAT pen @hallow lake
unique scaffold
@hallow lake you do know type 62 has one of the highest pens in its tiers right
hallow lake
152? Even if its one of the highest it still struggles a hell of a lot.
They could reduce the HEAT pen and raise the standard ammo's pen. That would be much better
supple hamlet
is the Smasher deserves nerf?
jagged crescent
id buff smasher armor but nerf the gun
unique scaffold
@hallow lake it has 250 gold pen which is tier 8 worthy and becomes 275 with CS which doesn’t really affect the dpm ehhh why raise pen for standard ammo when you know for a fact there will always be tier 8 heavies you’ll have trouble penning anyways reducing gold pen aswell is just a ehh idea
nocturne mauve
Smasher getting nerf wouldn’t solve all the rage, the smasher owners won’t be very pleased
Also complains about smashers are getting very old, if you cannot handle it then it’s your own personal issue. It isn’t like you cannot do anything against it
Below comment
They’ve overbuffed every single tier 7 heavy
austere citrus
its quite easy, instead of nerf smasher, just buff every other tank simple
stiff edge
Thats what they did with the drac and helsing
I believe
minor minnow
Powercreep baby
pastel cairn
Nerf the smasher by moving it to tier 8
supple hamlet
Nerf the smasher by moving it to tier 8
Move to tier 8 -> raise the price -> put them in crate and lower the chance -> buff it
frail silo
@frail silo holy crap child, i aint trolling, im just sorry u cannot experience radical change
@austere citrus you are making me lose braincells
you absolute oaf jeez
vital sorrel
Nerf PZ III pls (at armor) why? But on 2 tier or 3 is impossible to destroy
forest heath
the armor on the predator UM definitely needs a buff as well as a penetration buff
Players have to deal with the atrocious lack of gun depression limiting already where they can go on the map, increasing the frontal armor from 130 to 150mm and increase the thickness of the front vision ports from 75 mm to 95mm and the penetration from 165mm to 173mm base AP also improve dispersion on the gun. I had to deal with missing 2 out of 3 shots missing completely from a stationary target. The fact that it sees tier VIII is criminal
nimble zodiac
Gravedigger moment
remote oriole
Gravedigger actually has better armour and overall performs better at tier seven and six than the Predator
dusky cargo
orrr, as an alternative, leave predator as it is, but then make it like pz b2 where it doesnt see tier 8, either way, predator um needs some changes
opal harness
How can people with t7 max can have access to t10 that just ruin the game
nocturne mauve
Hahahah omg, that is so awful. It proves military honour needs to be changed, apparently he is a 5/5 star player
unique scaffold
Pls WG make the armor (at least frontal) of the M4A1 Revalorisé the same as the one of the M4, they are almost same tanks except for the canon. Its annoying for a medium clone of the M4 in higher tier (VIII) to been penetrated by a frontal HE
remote oriole
That’s the balancing factor for the outstanding gun
unique scaffold
Yeah in tier VIII, of course, against all thoses big destroyers.
Hope WG will see this...
remote oriole
Yes, in tier eight, where the Charioteer has its home and it's standard for mediums to run 90mm guns
ionic ivy
It's not our fault you can't work with the rev. If so many people can succeed in it, then it's not the tank, it's you.
frosty oriole
its really just a support tank
you can dish out gr8 damage when ur not focused but when u are and get rushed then u ded
ionic ivy
it's like the type 61, you can't afford to trade hitpoints. Always let your allies absorb the shots and then you poke out.
empty breach
There are so many complaints for a reason.... the aimtime and accuracy on the Smasher are Forking stupid for a suto KV-2 with a huge derp gun. I mean come on let’s make a premium 183 with half the aimtime and dispersion too why we are at it.
compact nymph
Don’t give them ideas please.
fast warren
How and where did i give provocative comunication?
austere citrus
i mean the rev is meh, but its kinda fun, more penwould be hot
coarse harness
You are meh, rev is great
crystal spoke
The rev is fantastic especially after the extra damage it received from its buff
Also the rev has a different hull than the m4 the rev has a late m4a1 cast hull while the m4 (is wronglqy named) has an early m4a1 cast hull
autumn zodiac
The Rev is great, the gun is fantastic and the mobility is good, the only real downside is the armor. Frankly all those complaint should be aimed at STA-1 not the rev
minor minnow
The Rev is a good glass cannon, the STA is just a glass cannon
jagged crescent
nah its just glass
mental pasture
Nah it's just a tank
robust hull
It’s just impossible to play the t95. You can’t get to anywhere and the meta looks like race tracks
bold ermine
Matches rarely see 4 minutes, 30 secs into the battle and boom 0-2 medium flank has fallen.
robust hull
just hope you’re not in a t95
nocturne mauve
Military honour does nothing
ionic ivy
^
jagged crescent
it look kewl tho ;3
pastel cairn
That’s really all there is to it though
candid solar
how to balance smashers?? make them tier 8
pastel cairn
Exactly don’t change the stats, just move it up a tier
formal vale
Oh gosh, the Rev has been mentioned. I think the Rev has a decent gun, I wish the pen was 220mm instead of 200mm. The premium rounds are also meh, 250mm is kinda low and 275mm is OK. I just don't entirely feel the gun makes up for having a tier 5 hull.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Rev. It certainly can do well. I just feel like it would need a little more for me to play it regularly. Thankfully I got it in an offer that came with 30d of premium time, so it was a good deal (in other words, a decent tier 8 with premium time attached)
turbid smelt
250 is kinda low? wut are you fighting with it
jagged crescent
220m isn’t enough for tier 8?
crystal spoke
Technically speaking since its the late m4a1 hull it should have 12mm more than the m4 at t5 (the m4 is actually an early m4a1 hull ) that being said I really don't think it needs it
valid cave
Does the kpfpz 70 need a buff?
unique scaffold
There is one its called E75 its free
left trellis
@formal vale theres no problem with the Rev, the only thing it needed was a damage buff, and as well along with that they also buffed the turret so the forehead of the tank can now bounce shots more effectively making ridgeline fighting somewhat doable
I have no issue with the armor or mobility whatsoever
formal vale
Sure, I just wish it had more pen. It feels like an in-between of a TD and a medium tank, but it misses the pen.
I think the hull armor and speed are justified by the gun caliber, I just wish it had a little bit more
plush perch
@formal vale 200 mm pen for tier 8 med is pretty nice
formal vale
I mean, it's ok. It struggles to reliably pen the IS-6 (even before the IS-6's armor buff). Same goes for the premium rounds. I have a screenshot from a few patches ago before the IS-6 got buffed. It's on my PC, so I'll have to post it in the morning if anyone cares to see it.
coarse harness
Cuz it has APCR as standard ammo
If you want more pen just play the Charioteer
muted rampart
Jagdtiger 8,8 imo should have normal tech tree jagdtiger armor. The same with kuro, Tiger 131. Both tanks should have normal Tiger 1 armor. Those tanks was made to be just The same tank with worse gun on lower tier. So what is The point in making them have less armor Than original version?
Ps. Yes i know that those tanks Had the same armor, but The original versions got buffed and those lower ones wasn t buffed along with them
left minnow
how to balance smashers?? make them tier 8
@candid solar this is actually a good suggestion thats pretty easy to implement
full token
If the tank is a lower tier they shouldn’t be getting the same armor. @muted rampart Maybe if its balanced, I guess that’s ok. But not giving it that armor just because it’s a similar tank in a different tier
plush perch
@muted rampart so u are saying that those tanks must be OP?
muted rampart
@full token @plush perch nah. i didn t say they must be op, but for now kuro and 131 definetly aren t balanced XD. even t5 can easly pen their frontal plate. no matter it s the higher or lower one. bith tanks are slow and have decent gun. about jgtg 8,8 tank isn t good or bad it s just okay so maybe here it s not necessary, but those 2 definetly need something
plush perch
@muted rampart bruh , giving them tiger 1 and jagdtiger armor will make em 100% op
open hedge
Forget the tanks being unbalanced. It’s the teams. Matchmaking has deteriorated. Way, way too many 7-0. I’m getting 2500 in E100 and next best score is 1000 and the game is done and dusted in under 4 minutes.
compact nymph
Looking at your sole performance and at the mistakes you made to not repeat them is how to improve things. I rage way less doing that. Also, 2500 dmg at t10 is nothing to brag about.
remote oriole
cries in 2.5k damage at tier ten average
Though a four minute long battle is actually one of the longer battles
coarse harness
The Pilot 1 is a better Pershing
Change my mind
pliant zenith
Pilot is like the stonks of Pershing
compact nymph
It's not hard for a T8 tank to be better than the Pershing
gleaming apexBOT
Chlepek#6424 has been warned.
dusky cargo
@muted rampart you realise that the tiger 1 used to have the same amount of armour as the kuro and 131, they dont need buffs, just learn how to angle the armour
remote oriole
The Tiger I only really bounced something when you used sidescrape or when you were hulldown. This works even better one tier lower
latent snow
Fighting a Kuro in a panzer 4 is not fun
compact nymph
Play better and you will see how your mm will get better. I doubt 60% of your battles are 0:7 losses. @pliant zenith don’t camp and don’t rush. stick with your team and aim your shots carefully. save hp’s for the late game.
dusky cargo
@muted rampart its not about the armour, its about the gun, those tanks are perfect fine as they are, anyways they're historically accurate which is important for the 131
unique scaffold
A. Watch your language in this server.
B. This channel is not for complaining about matchmaking.
plush perch
pin this?
unique scaffold
@runic coyote your opinion is noted as well as wrong. This channel is about vehicle balance, it is not about matchmaking.
distant river
You know the community is smart when you have to have two pinned messages saying not to complain about mm 👌
orchid grove
@formal vale Well, considering that the Revalorise gun is the same as the AMX 13 105 and Bat Chat 25t's gun, maybe it should be an autoloader with the same pen as the Bat Chat (and keep the 350 alpha)
😈
mossy wraith
Instead of pinning it couldbe just put in the channel discription
vale sun
is6 weak turret should be pennable
compact nymph
It is pennable easily lol
austere citrus
to make the tiger 1 'more real,' this is more of a suggestion than balance, and some will argue that its perfectly fine, since the tiger is a heavy tank, it feels way too much like a medium, i think a 180mm hull and a 120mm sides as well as a pretty decent speed decrease would be nice, just a suggestion guys, the tiger is a heavy and in all the movies/games, its super thick like the tiger 2
nimble zodiac
It already got a major armor buff from 100mm, and it's "super thick" because its fighting stock tier 5 M4s a lot xD
@unique scaffold I have realized that but I just love arguing 😂
unique scaffold
Ignore this person they’ve suggested much more ridiculous ideas Dont take them seriously @nimble zodiac
vale sun
he is a smooth brain
regal grove
very smooth brain
zealous arrow
AMX m4 45 literally needs a buff More so than anything. Literally every teir 7 heavy got buffed but AMX which was already a poor tank, now its just pathetic like all the other french teir 7s powercreeped to dust. Literally straight out worse verion of their American and German counterparts.
karmic steeple
Give it accuracy better than a Russian 122 and it’d be good
runic coyote
@zealous arrow why are you playing on Na? Your name is german
jagged crescent
smoothest brain ive ever seen
ionic ivy
to make the tiger 1 'more real,' this is more of a suggestion than balance, and some will argue that its perfectly fine, since the tiger is a heavy tank, it feels way too much like a medium, i think a 180mm hull and a 120mm sides as well as a pretty decent speed decrease would be nice, just a suggestion guys, the tiger is a heavy and in all the movies/games, its super thick like the tiger 2
@austere citrus The Tiger 1 is a heavium. It has the hitpoints of a heavy tank and the mobility of a medium tank. it can't contend with other traditional heavies at its tier, but it completely dominates on mediums with its dpm and bonus armor. it's like a t7 215b
sweet perch
Tiger was fine before buffs, and it’s armour was the realistic value as it would’ve been fighting Sherman’s anyway, it’s turret was fine armour wise so don’t know why they buffed it, probably because it’s a popular tank and a lot of people were disappointed
zealous arrow
ye and they left AMX m4 45 in the dust. Admittedly the Tiger II needed a buff and should be kinda op because of the amount of new player who will rush to play it.
nocturne mauve
They’ll make it Op if they buffed it because they always overbuffed things like BP
austere citrus
@ionic ivy but in history, the tiger was a legit heavy tank, sure the sides can be weak, but then make like a 200mm hull and keep the sides the same with a speed nerf. It won't dominate because there aren't that many 'real haevies' that can just absorb everything in the frontal armor, sure the sides can be fine but this game is legit nerfed to the brink, like the t95 used to have a strong front, now i can pen it with a 252U in the front with AP!! We have no tanks that can just sit there in the front demolishing because they all get nerfed.
ionic ivy
But blitz is not a realistic game.
unique scaffold
Tiger is a tier 7 get out with the 200mm
regal grove
in real life a tiger one did not go against an object 252u
frail silo
@ionic ivy but in history, the tiger was a legit heavy tank, sure the sides can be weak, but then make like a 200mm hull and keep the sides the same with a speed nerf. It won't dominate because there aren't that many 'real haevies' that can just absorb everything in the frontal armor, sure the sides can be fine but this game is legit nerfed to the brink, like the t95 used to have a strong front, now i can pen it with a 252U in the front with AP!! We have no tanks that can just sit there in the front demolishing because they all get nerfed.
@austere citrus do you even know what tanks did the tiger 1 fight in ww2?
zealous arrow
Actually T-34-85 could pen Tiger 1 at ranges of 500m however Tiger could easily kill T-34 from over 750m away. Never was a matter of thickness it was a matter of range and accuracy. The tiger II on the other hand is different.
unique scaffold
So guys tiger two isn’t getting nerfed right?
austere citrus
true, tiger 4s/tier 5s/tier 6s, but still, the tiger should be feared, not bullied around. And yes the tiger 1 is a pretty good tank but it isn't that 'heavy' like even a 15mm frontal armor buff would be nice, a dpm and a speed nerf would also be better, because there isnt really a strong 'super heavy' at tier 7. Like the pershing is bad, tiger 1 is good but not in the heavy way, black prince is pretty good but pen isnt best, but yeah, i get u will disagree but i want a 'heavy tank' at tier 7. Also the maps are so small that the range doesnt rly even matter in this. the tiger 2 was stronk tank, but the tiger 1 just isnt impressive. If we wanted a good heavium, they should make the pershing like the super pershing. @ionic ivy @ionic ivy sure u may be correct, but the maps in this game are no bigger then 500x500meters, so the use of range isnt that imporatnt unless we get a HUGE nerf in view range in mediums/lights
ionic ivy
Actually T-34-85 could pen Tiger 1 at ranges of 500m however Tiger could easily kill T-34 from over 750m away. Never was a matter of thickness it was a matter of range and accuracy. The tiger II on the other hand is different.
@zealous arrow damn, we doing tank battles at close ship battle range
zealous arrow
Tiger wasn't ever a heavy not even irl considering it went 24.5 mph which is on par with the M4. Its frontal armour 100mm was just as effective as the T-34s and the M4s. And maps big enough to be considered normal combat ranges in WW2.
regal grove
why does this man want to buff tiger i when it's very good already
unique scaffold
Real life has nothing to do with the game and bringing it up is pointless asking for a dpm and speed nerf on the tiger is proof you have no idea what your talking about if you want a “heavy tank” at tier 7 get an IS literally
austere citrus
t34 is started to get a little powercrept even thoi do rly well with it, the 400 alpha dosent 'feel good' anymore, just average, maybe a buff to 420/460 alpha would be a nice. yes ill get criticism but whatever. @unique scaffold IS isnt even a true heavy, its legit so easy penned at tier 6/7/8. idk what u talking about man, been playing for 6 years so i belive i have more understanding than u. i copied and pasted a bunch of stuf btw
unique scaffold
asks for armor buff and dpm and speed nerf on tiger 1 that’s laughable also you could have 6 years of experience and still not grasp basic concepts that’s also a false point the IS and IS2 have received a lot of buffs aswell tiger is meant to be a more mobile heavium not a true heavy IS is meant to be a trader also tiger 1s armor was already buffed enough and judging by your past serious suggestions here your 6 year experience claim really doesn’t hold up
regal grove
6 years of clownin
karmic portal
If you want that tank, just get the tiger p. It’s litterally what you are asking for. A tiger with 200mm frontal armor that’s slower
austere citrus
i have it lol, it aint even a 'super heavy' a super heavy is like tiger 2/vk 100 but theres none of them at tier 7
unique scaffold
Well it is t7.... there aren’t meant to be super heavies. Not like t6 has a super heavy. The vk 36 is like tiger 1
austere citrus
laughs in T1 heavy... hahahhahaha... also t29 i would consider a super heavy, because lets be honest, T29 > Tigerpanzer 1
runic coyote
@austere citrus you are so funny 🙄
karmic portal
I mean he is obviously trolling
austere citrus
i aint tho?
robust hull
Talking about balance
zealous arrow
The concept of the tiger being a true heavy doesn't exist in WOT, WOTB, or even WT. Even in real life the Tiger isn't a "true heavy" like in game the tiger is about its superb gun coupled with decent mobility and decent protection.
unique scaffold
@austere citrus yeahhh no ones gonna take you seriously
austere citrus
im legit trying to add some 'new content' to the game, i dont want OP tanks just variaitions. Like all the tanks that are autoloaders in tier 10 arent like strong tank autoloaders, t57 and amx 50 b have trash turrets, hull is meh, so to balance the IS ACTION X, it gets less dpm, longer reload, weaker frontal armor, i just want variation bro, i aint trying to troll, im legit not, im legit just trying to make this game mroe fun bec rn its pretty bland
real bison
how is this game bland
fresh solar
how would it not be
unique scaffold
The game is much more diverse than it was years ago that’s not even a suggestion “action X” is a running joke also that’s a lie each of the autoloaders are very strong they require different than usual play styles also nice how you ignore the tier 8 suggestion aswell and btw don’t say your trying to make the game fun when you also say this
zealous arrow
Admittedly VK is trash, and needs its cupola Removed, it really is easy to pen unless your an IS.
uncut osprey
I feel like i just lost braincells reading this
⬇️ its a premium tank, its not supposed to be as good as the tech tree variant 🤦♂️
austere citrus
that was before i realized VK 168 got big HP buff, yes now its fair, but before lets be honest, before it was legit trash of a tank, its also 168 tons and its still worse than vk 100, ifu want to buff it either cupola removed or buff frontal armor bec its legit 68tons heavier.
frail silo
t29 is over buffed
it could keep the turret but nerf the upper plate
no need for it to be strong
so your point on it is invalid
same as t1 heavy
zealous arrow
@frail silo you can't invalidate someone's opinion about something or how they view something.
austere citrus
how about instead of an upper plate nerf just nerf dpm?quite simple?? like i dont want 'heavy' tanks gettingthere armor nerfed now or even worse gun handling but NOT THE ARMOR, the armor is everything, also buff chinese coefficient credit earning, it sucks
nocturne mauve
For which tank
minor minnow
T29
nimble zodiac
@austere citrus hey bud, VK 100 is 120 tons
It's considerably wide turreted
austere citrus
still 48 more tons of what? more armor pshhh
nimble zodiac
So technically, yes, more armor, except that it's wider on the turret, which really does a deal with the weight since the frontal turret is very armored. Sure it might not be more effective armor but still, metal is heavier when there's more of it
crisp elm
@austere citrus making new tanks that didn't exist in real life or blueprints is dumb. the only new tanks i want to see are real tanks preferable already implemented in WOT
ionic ivy
Yes, give us our Obj 268 4
jagged crescent
Hey, why is the smooth brain still talking
queen vale
The T-2020 is such a disappointing tank. The frontal plate is ok, not great, but the IS-5 has a worse upper plate, so ok can't change that. Wargaming made it a point to say it "has a stock ST-1 turret", but it is not even close, it is much much worse, terrible I might add. The turret cheeks are around 150-160mm affective, really terrible. Not even to mention it's mediocre 80mm of side armor. I mean it is very below average. Not even to mention the 50 USD I wasted. I understand the room for change is very slim, because we don't want to make it OP, but all I would ask is give it the 200mm of frontal turret armor the IS-5 has, because it is very weak. I understand it is immune to HEAT, but there are plenty of tanks with 250+ of AP or APCR ammo. Also, please please give it a side armor buff. It does not have the spaced armor strips on the side of the tank, like many of the IS series and Chinese heavy tanks of this tier. Giving it 100mm of side armor, although not enough in my opinion, would greatly improve the flexibility and effectiveness of this tank. I would say it needs 120mm of side armor, same as the IS-5 (on the portion that is exposed), especially since the T-2020 does not have any spaced armor strips on the side, and that the side armor is not as angled as it on the IS-5. I understand that 125-130mm may be too much, but it would be nice xD. But yea overall my main requests are give the T-2020's turret 180-200mm of frontal turret armor, and prefferably 120mm of side armor. If that isn't possible, 110mm, and if Wargaming are especially cheesed off, 100mm. This is one of the more expensive tanks that has been brought to the game, and it is definetly not worth the pricetag. I'm not saying it should be OP because it is expensive, but it isn't even nearly as good as it's counterpart, the IS-5, which is around 10 times cheaper. Also, making it seem really good in the little press material it got was really not good. So yea give the tank some buffs, it really needs it.
karmic portal
Or you could have seen it’s characteristics before you bought it. Imagine throwing $50 away and not even knowing what you’re getting. Be happy it’s got 7 degrees of gun depression
dense walrus
“Making it seem really good” is just marketing. If you believe what WG says about it’s own tanks then that’s on you.
unique scaffold
Also premiums are supposed to be worse than their tech tree counterparts asking for a buff on it should say something about the status on the game
turbid smelt
amx cdc has trash gun, it need bit of love
ru 251 just has less penetration and less gun depression on front and back, otherwise it outclasses cdc in everyway
(Centurion I needs alot more love tho)
nimble zodiac
I like my T-2020 and my AMX CDC :p
T-2020 is very accurate for the russian 122mm and CDC is a pretty powerful light tank that simply doesn't have the light tank camo bonus, which isn't very bad
queen vale
@karmic portal Well I got it because I'm a tank collector. I only want it to be as good as the IS-5.
@unique scaffold Oh and how much has Wargaming adhered to that.
nimble zodiac
If I ask anything for the T-2020, is to change the internal noises after the gun fires, because the shell is ejected yet the shell ejects internally according to the audio
coarse harness
Just give us new sound system untill 6.5 and I'll be happy
frail silo
@frail silo you can't invalidate someone's opinion about something or how they view something.
@zealous arrow he made a comparison to prove his point
that comparison is invalid and wrong
there isn't really much to think about here
half glen
Sheridan ohne 🚀
forest heath
the armor on the predator UM definitely needs a buff as well as a penetration buff
Players have to deal with the atrocious lack of gun depression limiting already where they can go on the map, increasing the frontal armor from 130 to 150mm and increase the thickness of the front vision ports from 75 mm to 95mm and the penetration from 165mm to 173mm base AP also improve dispersion on the gun. I had to deal with missing 2 out of 3 shots missing completely from a stationary target. The fact that it sees tier VIII is criminal
misty swan
Can smasher get a buff. Reload is too slow. It should be a clip autoloader with 3 shots
zealous arrow
@misty swan no a three round autoloader isn't enough we need a three round autoloader, preferably with somewhere around 2800-3000 dpm. Smasher also needs a pen buff on its HE, AP, and HEAT. Also buff the damage on AP rounds to 750.
compact nymph
Next time you tell such jokes please at least try to be funny
misty swan
@compact nymph sounds like someone got one shot by the smasher and isn't happy
compact nymph
My concern about overpowered tanks in general is not to fight them. It’s that my 6 teammates will be unable to deal with one, get rekt and I’ll end up in a 1vs5. I don’t have problems fighting Smashers (if you ever heard about « awareness towards high-caliber guns »). Now once again, when you are trolling try to at least make it sound funny.
nocturne mauve
Everyone acts like OP tanks are invincible and are willing to give up for some reason whenever they see it
sudden path
Yeah, people tend to gravitate towards armor as the only trait that makes a tank broken. They only think they're broken because they can't pen. Most of these people can't even press 2, so they start claiming the defenders, the tiger 2, and the e75 ts are op, when they're not.
uneven fiber
I have tiger 2 and I assure you it sucks
dark glen
Then there are other problems, because the tiger 2 is above avg
crystal spoke
The tiger 2 is really good just not op and definitely not broken
blissful vigil
Tiger II perfect example of a heavy
orchid grove
“I cAn KiLl It So It MuSt NoT bE oP”
-Half the playerbase
misty swan
I'm just really disappointed that because of smasher, or just the amount of derp in general makes it hard to play paper tanks. (These are paper tanks that don't derp EX: SP I C). I really wanted tanks like the Krupp-Steyr Waffentrager to be added but I feel it would really such getting one shot all the time. Adding more paper tanks would also just fuel playing 152mm, etc
dense walrus
The main premise of playing paper tanks is to not get hit anyway. Facing Smasher spam makes you extra careful and makes sure your mistakes are brutally punished.
@lucid laurel you're right, but that is why the Smasher is so stupid, because of its unbalanced accuracy
uneven fiber
Tiger 2 sucks cuz of speed and the armour is TERRIBLE. They say it's good. Just wait till you get the tank you will know what is the so called "good" legit any tank pens you except light tanks unless they use APCR
lucid laurel
Game is balanced by dispersion.. i rarely hit shit with kv2 or smasher from a far.. it's really a gamble most of the times.. that changes wit ISU-152 But Borsig and waffeltragger pz 4 is still vary gambly..
sudden path
I would I agree . I really only have experience with prebuff tiger 2, and that was so bad. Even now, the lowe has a better turret that actually bounces, not to mention a better gun.
misty swan
@dense walrus I know that is the downside of playing lightly armored tanks. My problem is not with the 150+mm at tier 7. My problem is with the fact that it will be hard to put newer light armored tanks in that tier. Doing so will make the smasher more dominant.
Rip my dreams of Krupp Steyr Waffentrager
lucid laurel
Man i want death toaster or churchill GC but some say they won't sell them ever again.. yall ever seen them for sale in the store after 5.5???
dense walrus
they will be sold or be rewards in events in the future.
@misty swan that's a fair point but a skilled light tank player can counter it decently by baiting shots, flanking, and peppering it with damage and track shots on the reload
austere citrus
i used to have them, but holy, death toaster was bad, made good toast though
nocturne mauve
Do not sell the legendary CGC
lucid laurel
Sure hope they be sold in the future, have almost all TD's i want other than those 2
unique scaffold
I got both of them from before 5.5, Pz. Sfl. IVc would be awesome if only could rotate the gun and not be a fixed gun with paper armor, a real HE magnet easy to hit because of big dimensions, GC is a good hitter, I have fun in it
latent snow
I would buy all the collectors tanks I don’t have, even the t21
nocturne mauve
That’s why you guys should’ve pre planned getting those tech trees before 5.5, I remember the frustrations of having to grind the Churchill 1 for the CGC
pastel cairn
That was a pain to grind for the GC
muted rampart
I would like to get the kv 13 and vk 30 02 M
vale sun
I recovered the toaster with a ticket
It's quite fun, it has nippy mobility and a stellar gun
I was number 1 toaster player for a short period lol
pastel cairn
It is fun yes but you get penned by anything that looks in your direction
compact nymph
That’s the inherent part of playing lightly armored tanks. Doesn’t mean they can’t be fun or efficient.
vale sun
tanks have strengths and weaknesses, it's what makes the game fun
lucid plover
Hmm..I feel like a few German tanks need a bit of a buff. The SP 1C is fast and hits hard, but I think the full clip reload could stand to be reduced a bit. After all, the SP 1Cs main advantage over other light tanks is its autoloading gun with high alpha. However, the reload is just a little too long for its own good, which makes it get outclassed by the LTTB and even the tier 7 AMX 13. The second tank I want to bring up is the VK 30.02 D, which honestly needs a pen buff to both guns pretty badly. It struggles to pen pretty much everything but tier 6s with either gun, and the dpm isnt good enough to be worth the trouble. I also think it needs a major mobility buff, so its bad dpm and hull armor arent as painful to deal with. My idea is essentially to make it a medium/light hybrid that is nimble and has a strong turret, but has guns that lack dpm and have average pen for a light tank.
The last tank I want to bring up is the Indien Panzer. While its decent in a few categorys, it just doesnt stand up anymore compared to other tier 8 mediums. I think that a DPM buff could make it simply more viable in tier 8 while keeping it unique. The dpm buff would make sense, since the Indien Panzers line (leopard pta, leopard 1) is all about a great gun.
past nest
I really think the Obj 140 really needs a buff because it's completely useless against T-62A the in stats and of course a good player will always make the obj 140 work but for newbies I don't think so
Obj 140 deserves a DPM buff or a more thick armor about 15-20mm thick or maybe the old gun U-8TS gun like 62A but more accurate
nocturne mauve
T-62A didn’t need that depression buff, that was the main weakness
ancient kindle
#bufftiger2
regal grove
I actually like 140 a bit more than 62A now just because of the speed
if u called for a buff make it accelerate a bit faster
ionic ivy
Bruh we already discussed this. The VK's job is literally to brawl other heavy tanks and keep its front pointed at the enemy. If the enemy loads skill rounds, you're dead anyways no matter how much skill you have in the tank.
pale copper
Is there any talk about a smasher nerf
autumn zodiac
Not from what I've heard, though it's been wanted for a long time
tawdry glen
they say if u said that means u havent played it
austere citrus
VK 72.01K i think is really good. I mean a turret buff would be nice, but i actually like the tank
nocturne mauve
Smasher will never be nerfed
regal grove
you're supposed to be trading in it
winged barn
I rolled 480 with ap with my vk72 earlier today
very good for trading
Even worse it was my first shot of my first match after rebuying it
Yea , but in a kpz70... you do what, 400?
ionic ivy
Just like the e100, you outtrade every single t10 heavy, use it to your advantage.
Ive gotten that so much in my grille, it hurts a lot.
You ever hit an HE pen and it only does 750 damage?
muted rampart
Okay i see nobodt sees how bad The tank is, so i ll just leave it to wargaming. They will do what They want no matter what. But what do you think about 10,5 cm gun on vk 28 01? This gun is awful. It s The same gun that was mounted on hetzer and pz 4 before 5.5 i think. Ik nobody plays on it and nobody cares about it, but i think it could be a really nice alternative for 7,5 cm gun. The only think that it needs is more penetration on every type of shell and maybe better gun dispersion. Ik it s howtizer so gun dispersion can t be Good, but i think 0.41-42 will be okay. Pen around 110 on ap, 140 on heat and 50-60 on he won t make it broken but it will make it able to pen other t6 and t5. It doesn t need dpm buff because it s a Light tank with howtizer so it s obvious that a quick reload will make it more broken t6 t49 so it should stay as it is. This gun won t be broken, but it will make it, a nice alternative for standard 7,5 and it will bring some more variety onto t6.
austere citrus
i mean on the vk 72.01K a turret buff would be nice because the armor is pretty good, not the best, but the turret is very weak, with its low dpm, i think a turret buff would be nice
rare mauve
Buff 183 please thank you!
uncut osprey
The turret armor isnt the problem on the vk, its the giant 2 bubbles on either side of the hull that really kills its brawling potential. If they got buffed by 20mm it might be a little strong but prem rounds still would go straight through the front. Which i would find makes it balanced. As it is i see the e100 is just a little better atm.
ionic ivy
which is why you wiggle when you brawl. Your gun is also thick enough to effectively gunblock. You can also bait the sides.
candid whale
Just shave off those weak spots because that’s what keeps the vk from doing the one thing rear-placed turrets are good at: sidescraping
uncut osprey
I dont think they should remove them but atleast make them somewhat usable to sidecscrape with.sure dont make it where meds prem ammo cant pen them but atleast make it strong against standard ammo.
ionic ivy
bruh, just because it has a rear mounted turret doesn't mean it's meant for sidescraping.
plush perch
Hmm..I feel like a few German tanks need a bit of a buff. The SP 1C is fast and hits hard, but I think the full clip reload could stand to be reduced a bit. After all, the SP 1Cs main advantage over other light tanks is its autoloading gun with high alpha. However, the reload is just a little too long for its own good, which makes it get outclassed by the LTTB and even the tier 7 AMX 13. The second tank I want to bring up is the VK 30.02 D, which honestly needs a pen buff to both guns pretty badly. It struggles to pen pretty much everything but tier 6s with either gun, and the dpm isnt good enough to be worth the trouble. I also think it needs a major mobility buff, so its bad dpm and hull armor arent as painful to deal with. My idea is essentially to make it a medium/light hybrid that is nimble and has a strong turret, but has guns that lack dpm and have average pen for a light tank.
@lucid plover it does not get outclassed by amx 13 75, amx has 6 second intraclip in total while SP1C has 3 seconds with 2 shells , LTTB is not autoloader so u cant compare, about vk 30 02d , there is tier 6 tanks that uses 145mm pen and 225 alpha gun but yes it is trash , there is no point to play VK30.02D and indien panzer when there is other lines
lucid plover
fair point. As for the other two?
austere citrus
30.02 D is bad tank, i mean i dont even use it because its bad but if u wanted to make it better, a nice armor buff to like 90mm would be nice, and uh, yea buff the 2 bubbles on the vk 72
nimble zodiac
Buff turret and allow overmatch on cupola ;)
noble quail
does anyone also think that the M48 needs a buff?
Because it's kinda powercreeped by the stb and other mts right now
empty stratus
@noble quail M48 Patton is very underpowered compared to other tier x mediums like the Leopard 1 or T-62A
remote oriole
Try playing the Leopard 1, it feels awful in the current meta
karmic portal
Some reason I played it yesterday, loved it, did quite well for my standards. Maybe cause all the enemies were noobs. I can tell why fatness likes it so much tho cause it’s so good for farming damage
crisp elm
Leopard 1 is still amzing
candid whale
A little too large in my opinion. Easy to hit.
dawn wagon
Is obj. 263 any good?
timber knot
If WG were to buff the T110E4 to make it more appealing, they should make gun depression at least 7 degrees and buff the max speed from 35kmh to 40km. This is because I've found plenty of scenarios where one degree would make a big difference, and the speed buff because face hugging is one of the best defenses the tank has at close range tbh. So increasing the speed so when you are close to the enemy will help close the gap quicker when they backing away. Or they could just give 7 degrees of gun depression and a 200hp buff; either way I would be happy cause I just want that 7 degrees of gun depression tbh.
candid whale
I dont think a TD should be getting an hp buff. The spead also doesnt really need to be increased either. The T57 has worse armor and probably weighs less, and it still goes at 35 kmph. Having a tank with more armor and a bigger gun go faster doesnt seem quite right.
Although I do agree on the gun depression
timber knot
I said the speed buff primarily for 2 reasons, one being the one I stated above and 2 being that the E4 is basically seen by almost everyone as a worse E3 or E3 jr. So the tank needs something maybe not a speed buff but something to help it stand out. I just want 7 degrees of depression and I'll be happy.
empty glacier
Did the kpfpz 70 get nerfed because it seems to never deal full damage
vale sun
leo 1 can preform but definitely feels limited in some situations
plush perch
Try playing the Leopard 1, it feels awful in the current meta
@remote oriole yes, probably worse than fatton
crisp elm
lol what
austere citrus
ngl, i rather play patton over leo 1, its jsut that leo 1 isnt like a vickers light, the turret is weak unlike the strong turret on a LIGHT tank, and its HUGE and tall compared to other meds/lights, so it aint that good, gun is good, but i rather run a wz 113, chieftain also better gun, and they actually got armor and stealth, the SP 1 C is fine because its TINY, but this tank as big as some heavies, @unique scaffold is that a troll/meme? ur saying a leo 1 has a better gun than a chieftain mk6 ?, also i havent played leo 1 in 2 years, so might be why
crisp elm
lol. the fatton is powercreeped. the leopard 1 is just an insane tank with good mobility, -9 gun depression, and can put out 350 alpha every 5.7 seconds and you'd rather use the patton? this is why everyone says that you are trolling.
unique scaffold
Chieftains guns worse in every way what
ionic ivy
chief gun is worse in everything but alpha. Leo is pretty much a tank where you cant get hit, so you let allies take the shots and then you poke out
austere citrus
14% less DPM for 14% more alpha. I would take that trade. Chieftain also has armor, more pen, and HESH.
crisp elm
how can you compare a medium tanks gun to a heavy tank? the leopard also has better mobility and camo but YOU cant compare it cuz its a different class.wats ur ign, i wanna look at ur stats
unique scaffold
Leo 1 has a dispo of .27-24 max equipment and amazing soft stats the aim time is also good of 3.1 and good shell velocity with highest pen of the meds mk6 has 260-70mm APCR which is not good for a 120mm the accuracy and aim time for the Mk6 are great for 120mm standards but the soft stats are not that decent mk6s prem pen is also difficult to work with the shell is also fast but slower than the leopard 1s also mk6 is a heavy and not a medium it can’t be compared to a different class of tank so don’t go ahead and say “I’ll take this any day over this one” @austere citrus also you’d be surprised how rarely you get to use the HESH
karmic portal
The cheftain is nothing like the Leo 1
jagged crescent
The smooth brain just tried to compare the Leo to a heavy tank
left minnow
am i reading this right
nimble zodiac
Sounds like they'll take a KV-2 gun over say... ARL's
plush perch
bat chat needs buff now.. it is powercreeped badly
teal palm
Someone tried to compare Leo to MK6? Oi mate what were you smoking that day? Because idk about you but I think the Leo and mk6 are very different tanks.
hearty steeple
Although i find batchat to be balanced i wouldn't mind it getting an intraclip reload buff, atleast -0.5 seconds
vale sun
@austere citrus Everything you say is equal parts hilarious and downright stupid
austere citrus
nerf vickers CR?
nimble zodiac
Oh dang use a meta request to downplay his claim, big brain time
plush perch
u do realizer that 110 pen on ap is powerful? it is a light tank and u want to get nuked by it all the time?
compact nymph
The VK 28.01 is pretty good right now. No need for a buff to the howitzer. If you are that addicted to high caliber guns there are other tanks to play.
muted rampart
@compact nymph ik the tank is perfectly balanced. i think it just would be nice to have some choose. you can choose between good, pen, dpm and accuaracy and low pen, low dpm, bad accuaracy but derpy gun that shoots for 310. i don t think 110 pen is too much. 310 dmg isn t that much with 12 secs of reload. i don t thin 110 pen on ap will make it broken. it still have terrible accuaracy and awful dpm. it will be balanced and fun2play. this is my favourite type of tank in the game. tank that isn t broken, but is fun2play and is unique with playstyle on it s tier. it s always something different than what we usally see
plush perch
u need 3 shots to kill others tier 6 meds and lts so umm , kinda no
distant river
The kranvagn isn't meant to fight things in 1v1s it's going to be a support tank through and through. You get into a position a slight distance away from the reds and they can't push at all. It's slow to unload it's clip and reload which will be a pain but it looks to be fairly forgiving and easyish to play.
compact nymph
Leave the VK 28.01’s howitzer as it is. Derp guns are supposed to be « fun » when you occasionally hit and pen an HE shot on a lightly armored target, not to be efficient. if you want efficiency just use the Waffe 0725.
muted rampart
@compact nymph but it isn t even a derp. i wouldn t call a gun that hits a light tanl for 1/3 hp a derp. it snot even like this. this isn t anything special to hit somebody for 400 on tier 6. this gun would be jus a normal gun with higher dmg. ik it s howtizer, but it s not that dangerous and what won t break the game so what s the problem
scarlet fjord
I know Wargaming get this stuff every 15 seconds
but a 15 CM gun at tier 7 has the same DPM as a 15 CM at tier 10 almost
with the same alpha damage
Do something about the Smasher problem
and it has more HEAT pen than most tier 8's its a collector idc what money you wanna sponge off ppl but enough is enough collectors are changeable everyone that buys them agrees to those terms
actually i take it back it has MORE DPM than the VK 72
umbral knot
You know what would be great if teir 5 and 6 and 7 light tank can be 1 shot by a kv 2
fossil marten
@lusty silo what happened with the results of the survey on the rockets in the Sheridan and T92? Is there going to be a change or preferably a removal of them from the game completely?
drowsy idol
Why would you ping 🙄
scarlet fjord
wargaming fix ur matchmaking im losing 7/0 6 games now in a stock tank outperforming at least 3-4 team mates
dawn wagon
Teaming is trash
candid whale
It's called a Random Queue for a reason you fight against and alongside random people. The problem is that the majority of Blitz players "can't seem to think and breathe at the same time."
muted rampart
T28 needs buff. The frontal armor buff will be okay. Give it 300mm effective on front and 200 on coupolas. It will make it s playstyle more like t95. Unpenetrable front with weak coupolas. And no. It won t be op. The gun will stay great but mobility sucks on This thing so it will be balanced.
scarlet fjord
if i have 4 retards in my team than give me 4 retards in the enemy
@drowsy idol im grinding stock Type 61 i still do more dmg than 3 team mates i cant play anything else
drowsy idol
If you can’t stand not smart people you could always play tourneys or ratings
left minnow
I think he means he wants casual fun without having to rage because his teammates had their brains dropped as babies
robust hull
T28 needs buff. The frontal armor buff will be okay. Give it 300mm effective on front and 200 on coupolas. It will make it s playstyle more like t95. Unpenetrable front with weak coupolas. And no. It won t be op. The gun will stay great but mobility sucks on This thing so it will be balanced.
@muted rampart apparently no one cares, I just went directly to t95, which also needs a speed buff.
It’s simple; the game is broken with that moronic sheridans and vickers. Light tanks with armor and good alpha. I’m not even talking about atgms.
Batchat even looks powercreeped, but I think that the other lights are too overpowered, making batchat like that. They need a nerf.
In a t28 or t95, even with consumables, you blink and all opponent meds and lights are already with you while you don’t even make it out of spawn in a good position
latent snow
Batchat is good and sneaky, I prefer it to the Sheridan
drowsy idol
Keep in mind bat chat has a 930 clip and the tank is played by using your allies hit points
scarlet fjord
Wargamaing I'm a stock Type 61 WARGAMING fix your broken matchmaking wargaming
@ionic ivy if wargaming were good at balancing
they wouldnt make the turret that gives 50 hp only 60k xp
i dont have an infinite amount
dense walrus
By playing a stock tank you’re basically playing a 6v7 every game. Also, you might want to check the pinned messages.
ionic ivy
You didn't think to free xp the gun first?
It doesn't even matter. Type 61 top gun is the highest t9 med dpm, it doesn't matter that you don't have an infinite amount of free xp. You could have just played your t10 or premiums and grinded the free xp for the turret and gun instead of handicapping yourself by playing stock.
unique scaffold
2020 and still complaining about MM.
floral silo
nocturne mauve
Oh you think that’s hard?
candid whale
Im not really that much affected by the Smasher because I keep bullying it in tier 8 tanks
barren zenith
Opinions on a concealment buff for the grille. The grille is quite obviously a ‘sniper’ tank yet it’s concealment stats means it gets spotted and then cross mapped by anybody with a high caliber HE shot for most of its HP. Because of its very low depression it struggles to hit shots at close range, which means it has to snipe.
distant river
Grille works perfectly well at close range if you know what you are doing, but it isn't a purebred sniper either. It should be mobile and quick to respond instead of having good camo and staying in one play all game and being useless. It's perfectly fine how it is now.
ionic ivy
I would be down for either camo buff or a traverse buff. Mainly a traverse buff
twilit crystal
lmao poor people without free xp, f2p to low spend players cant get enough free xp to skip lines but they can get enough to skip the modules
full token
Where are the stats for the previous update in #devs-answers?
distant river
Play smart and use your boosters at the right time and you will be rich on free XP without spending anything.
x5s, x3s, x2s in ratings, events where you get more free xp are all easy ways to grind it, and the boosters are literally everywhere. Also if you choose to buy crates always save up your 200/2300/27k free XP certificates to combine into 350k ones for maximum efficiency.
nocturne mauve
I’m impatient so I use those immediately
muted rampart
I think Leo PTA should get more gun depression. The tank is overall just average and i Don t want it to be op, but it will better show The t10 playstyle with more gun depression and overall tank won t fall behind vickers CR as it does now. It still will be worse, but not as much as it is now
drowsy plaza
Give the PTA HEP
ruby monolith
Ew if you want to discuss tanks that need a depression buff, look at the wz 120 which is sitting at 3 degrees. Literally giving it one more degree would help it so much
muted rampart
@ruby monolith but wz 120 has turret and hull armor, along with bigger gun. the leo PTA is just vickers cr with worse armor, he pen and gun depression. the X tier also has 9 degrees so playstyle is different
drowsy plaza
PTA needs something as tight now it’s a worse Vickers CR. @ruby monolith WZ-120 can manufacture depression by using terrain. It’s got a great turret and Alpha. The WZ doesn’t need more depression it’s a driver issue
ruby monolith
Fair enough... but no HEP, that shouldn’t become such a common thing as it is already.
twilit crystal
meh it needs 4 degrees @drowsy plaza WG themselves admitted map balance is based of 4-10 degrees of depression
austere citrus
if kranvagn comes out, only 10 deg or 12 deg? bruh 9??? this is legit the most gun depressed heavy...
ruby monolith
I hear nine (because wg 🤷♂️)
turbid smelt
9 in blitzhangar
nocturne mauve
What’s the point anymore, only 9?
solid acorn
Should be 12 and turret should be impenetrable cuz its sweden :)
nimble zodiac
Well it is impenetrable if you have it positioned correctly
But you have to look up to guarantee extremely strong armor, since you have cupolas to hide
vale sun
it's already impenetrable lol
twilit crystal
the cupolas are tiny but yeah its basically impenetrable unless you arent using depression and some 268 with calibrated hits u
austere citrus
sad it doesnt have 12 degs of gun depression on kranvagn, bec its legit hull down tank nothing else, turret on kranvagn is like a Is4 turret, thicc, the hull/side armor is legit paper, get 1500 HEd by 183, dpm bad too
ruby monolith
Lol I was just about to say that... why not give it its hull down advantage. Make it super good at one thing and garbage at everything else. I’m pretty sure the armor is cardboard everywhere but the front
azure otter
That's not how balancing works, that's just stupid
Why not wait for the tank to be released first then complain about it's underpowering stats.
austere citrus
when an amx 50 b has more gun depression
azure otter
Because its turret is softer than Kranvagn
nimble zodiac
Now now we don't want Kranvagn to be a slower, but better 50 B
azure otter
It's nerfed so its actually on the same level as 50B and T57, not stupidly better in every way possible. Best is to just wait for it to be released so we can have actual opinions on it and not just based on stats
formal vale
Honestly, I'd like to see how a 2 shot auto reloader would work on the Kranvagn. I also wish WG nerfed the hull armor and not the speed.
austere citrus
yea buts its hull is way worse and dpm is worse. kranvagn should get hull nerf, but gun depression buff and sped bff
jagged crescent
9 degrees is still great
orchid grove
@formal vale Get that 2 shot auto reloader blasphemy out of my sight
plush perch
Still in test , letz wait till release
formal vale
Lol, I just think it would be interesting to try. @orchid grove
Like 8 or 9s for each shell, 3.3s between shells
turbid smelt
@orchid grove on is7 it would be fun
quickly take 2 shots (I mean it would have 5sec intra shell reload)
then reposition yourself
anyway that thing has quite big cheeks to spam heat or apcr shells with penetration level of 250 to 340mm
2 shells means it won't be as devastating as fv 4005
similar to sp 1c, take one shot, then pump another one and reposition yourself
nimble zodiac
Yooooooo ||I wanna supertest that||
orchid grove
I'm opposed even to that because out of principle, I will never support any 2 shell autoloader/autoreloader.
All they do is leave me feeling exceedingly disappointed. If it were a single shooter, that's the norm and I wouldn't care, but for a 2 shot, I just sit there thinking "what's the point of this garbage?"
vale sun
that would just be a double barrelled tank without the double fire mechanic
also @orchid grove how do you feel about the helsing 🤔
unique scaffold
Helsing shoots both of its shots at once so
plush perch
No, accuracy of 2 shell suck and it does not shoot them at same time
formal vale
it's not like an autoreloader where you can shoot one shot, reload, and save your burst if you want
long cargo
The kranvagn’s dpm is absolutely terrible
turbid smelt
its frontal armour is anti penetration with turrent
it needs bad dpm
just like e3
long cargo
Yeah, but does that make up for 1911 dpm?!! The tier 5 angry connor has better dpm at 2280.
formal vale
It has 1200 burst damage, what more do you want? Keep in mind that you can optimize that DPM way more than they're showing. The same goes for every single autoreloader in the game
nimble zodiac
And if you're hulldown, you are nearly immortal if you're looking up as you reload interclip
winged barn
"But on pc is has all this (insert item)"
On pc, hull down spots get heavily countered by artillery.
Also, how many other tier 10 tanks can store their dpm? Oh yea, just the prog 65
That tank is garbage statswise compared to all the other meds, except for it's ability to store dpm. It still performs just fine. Now give an invincible turret the same ability...
orchid grove
Oh how I desparately want to comment, yet cannot
nocturne mauve
So when can heavies be reverted to original state/or at least some heavies
nimble zodiac
I'm just gonna assume it's a permanent meta shift, and it won't be reverted, they've worked with it for quite a while
lunar lava
sorry but i have to say this......will there be a nerf on british light tanks mainly on their turrets because the dont behave like light's..... i mean its easier to penetrate maus turret than theirs even with gold ammunition....and also their chicks(weak spots) are so tiny...i cant see the balance on this......my suggestion would be to make mantlet smaller or weaker
nimble zodiac
Ok to be honest they're not that hard to penetrate, it's just RNG likes doing its thing and they can dance while hulldown, making it harder to time your shot
jagged crescent
CR's a lil over cooked tho
arguably the best overall package for any kind of medium/light in t9
- Turret armor that's great for those who can wiggle
- Mobility's top class
- Gun has everything as well.
ionic ivy
vickers light is actually the slowest of the t10 lights iirc
@lunar lava Depending on where you hit, the effective armor of the mantlet can be 320-700+ mm
formal vale
There's literally no point to playing the AMX 30 1er Proto and the AMX 30B when the Vickers line is as good as it is rn
lunar lava
i have fired them directly in their face heat and apcr with over 300mm pen and still it bounces...i must be vere unlucky rightttt??? next time it happens i make a clip as proof
austere citrus
amx 30 1er proto should get a 310 to 350 alpha buff, that would make it much more competitive
jagged crescent
its arguably the best med smoothbrain
formal vale
Exactly, which means the Vickers CR needs a nerf. There's no reason to buff the AMX, it's already extremely good.
uncut osprey
Lol if you think the amx 30 1er needs a buff youre out of your mind
unique scaffold
An easy way to solve many problems of tech tree tanks not being over powered or just testing out game features would be to set up a test server. People could sign up to test vehicles and new tech tress and give their feed back. WGs current testing system is annoying since they only give out the tuer X to test out and even then its a 1 sided feedback loop. They are always given out to few people and the community is never actually given the choice to give their full in depth opinions of the tanks. Plus since its only the tier 10, some of the lower tiers come out stupidly broken simply because wg wont open a test server. How would it work? Well people would sign up, wg would inspect the player and if they trust the player, the player can be given access to super tests and small demos of upcoming vehicles. Not only do we get an accurate representation of the vehicle but it can be nerfed or buffed to better fit into the game. That way, no one has to face a stupidly broken tank in the normal servers, and the players have a CHANCE to understand what the vehicles strengths and weaknesses are
dense walrus
The main problem seems to be WG’s willingness (or lack of it) to listen to the testers’ feedback. Making testing more public doesn’t address this core issue.
ionic ivy
Also because half if not most of the blitz playerbase is not skilled enough to discern the specific qualities and playstyles of the tank and compare them to same tier variants with similar playstyles. WG is also pretty stingy with balancing/updates based on player feedback. Just look at the ratings channel.
distant river
Pros playing tanks is a lot more useful than anyone playing the tank. The clans and players that get chosen can push the tank to the skill limit but the players can so understand how bad, average and good players will perform in it.
But anyway, WG knows exactly what they are making op and what they are not. A line of boring balanced tanks does not sell or bring in new players. A line that starts with op tanks and fades to just good tanks does sell without ruining tier 10 balance too much. WG also heavily prey on new players who tend to go for famous tanks like the tiger line. They are all brilliant/too good tanks down that line, making the new player feel better and keep playing and more importantly spending. Same with the heavy buffs. The average new player needs heavies to compensate for their skill, and by making them by far the best class to play you are reducing the amount of people who rage quit. This is no mistake or accident, this is WGs marketing/profit taking priority over the games health and balance
austere citrus
a line of unique tanks does, it doesnt even have to be good, like a tank with 1800 damage but 50 second reload. it would be fun to play but the dpm would be terrible as well as other specs, its just that wargaming hasnt been innovating. Like if they brought out more tanks instead of tanks that play very similar.
jagged crescent
wat
winged barn
The charioteer...
Such great balancing when that was introduced
austere citrus
0
nocturne mauve
1
ionic ivy
Remember T49 when it first came out, ammoracks were destroyed so much back then.
a line of unique tanks does, it doesnt even have to be good, like a tank with 1800 damage but 50 second reload. it would be fun to play but the dpm would be terrible as well as other specs, its just that wargaming hasnt been innovating. Like if they brought out more tanks instead of tanks that play very similar.
@austere citrus we do have that tank, it's called the FV215b 183. That or the kv2 if you want a lower tier option.
I know that, I just don't have anything else to do
lone warren
@ionic ivy He always makes troll suggestions trying to be funny.
jagged crescent
smoothbrain shenanigans
austere citrus
thats why kv2 and fv 183 are still played, bec big alpha, but other tanks are super similar.
timber knot
They tried innovating, but look how the player base responded to atgms
pliant zenith
Well it’s a nice innovation but just for a light tank it’s a bit op; especially with its mobility and gun depression. Just my take on it tho.
Maybe it would suit better a heavy tank for balance, like the kpf ???
scarlet fjord
buff Leopard 1 alpha damage to 390
it has less gun depression than the other meds and no armor compared to them
i know its DPM accuracy and pen are good but those stats arent better than having armor and more gun depression
sure its amazing at farming bad players
but its not reliable when your facing good ones
if you gave it 390 alpha but same DPM that will make the Leopard interesting to play
or as an alternative
give it more gun depression and 120 HEP
i would prefer the alpha buff though
muted rampart
@scarlet fjord it doesn t need that. Only buff I can agree with is one degree of gun depression. Nothing more. And i Don t think it needs even this one but ok
plush perch
same dpm and 390 alpha? seems too op
scarlet fjord
but a hull down STB-1 with a better armor profile than most heavies for hull down and 10 degrees of gun depression doesnt seem op?
you still get big games but only because its great at farming bad players
try facing pro clan members hull down with an STB-1 with anything good luck against that
although it doesnt have to have same DPM they can nerf it slightly
Or just give it 120 HEP and 10 degrees of gun depression it DEFINITELY wont make it op or maybe not even reliable as it is right now but at least the HEP might make it more fun
@plush perch
hearty steeple
HEP/HESH or even 390 alpha will actually break leo1. You already have the best med gun in tier 10
plush perch
@scarlet fjord well leo 1 is balanced, i would prefer side armor buff instead of changs to gun
fading plank
The Churchill GC needs the low-tier British howitzer with an autoloader. Change my mind.
scarlet fjord
@muted rampart i get 4k WN8 on it i said it was good cuz ur farming morons
its not (reliable) and no STB-1 turret is NOT easily penetrable its OP only small cheeks are pennable which from a distance is a miracle shot with other meds anything with 330 HEAT can pen a huge chunk of the turrets
i meant at medium distance since most hull down positions ppl prefer to take are medium distance its close enough for you to not worry about accuracy but safe enough for cheek shots
jagged crescent
A pen buff on the Leo 1 would be cool tho
willow forge
t
turbid smelt
it is already best in class lel
ionic ivy
it's like a t10 version of the Type 61, insane dpm, but no armor at all
unique scaffold
The leopard is fine as it is it’s infinitely flexible and still really versatile although I sort of don’t understand why WG hasnt made the gun of it the king of soft stats since they like to advertise it as being “the ultimate sniper” a lot it’s gun is slightly better than the Soviets plus it really wouldn’t do much harm buffing that it’s already have the downsides as listed earlier on it
rancid orchid
Sheridan needs to lose the spaced armor. Its different if I bounce a Vickers Lt because that my fault for being hasty with my shot and not aiming properly. But it's a whole nother story when a fully aimed shot hits part of a sheridan that isnt armor and does 0 Damage. It also causes problem when brawling with it because I can hit the spaced armor but not actually be touching the superstructure at all and hear the dreaded: "Critical Hit!".
remote oriole
It really isn’t that difficult to hit the main armour of the tank behind the spaced armour. The only part you should be careful with is the rear when you shoot its side and other than that just shoot centre mass and your AP will go through without problems
nocturne mauve
Even T92 still gets troll bounces, the problem with T92 is that it cannot be punished by HE because the armour is awkward
hearty steeple
So does the batchat. Not an issue
stiff edge
t92 gets more
hardy hazel
You can HE the edge of the front hull, and the turret from every direction
formal vale
It's gotten easier for me to HE T92E1s reliably ever since they nerfed them. It just takes a bit of time to aim. If you've ever shot at the side of an IS-3, you'll know how to pen the side of an E2 with HE. The entire rear is also HE-able.
It's only really the frontal armor and the turret that are troll. But even then the lower plate is subject to pens here and there.
coarse harness
That's why the T9 BC suck
You can HE it everywhere even with the lowest caliber med guns in that tier
formal vale
^^^ Buff the Batchat AP. Give it better engine power and a better clip reload
wise iron
The Skorpion G is much better than the Su-130PM, the SU has a terrible gun, it is inaccurate and aims for a long time, it is not as fast as WG describes it, only camouflage and -7 degrees of depression are good.
nocturne mauve
It was so depressive when su 130pm got giant nerfs
The gun is horrid for a sniper playstyle TD, it has such a long aiming time and does troll misses like ISU
jagged crescent
language
distant river
^ and naming and shaming and read the pinned messages/don't complain about mm, which completes the trio of how to get your message deleted
coarse harness
The picture is funny tho
nocturne mauve
Same stuff happening to me, I can’t break past 57% for some reason
hardy hazel
Why is nobody telling him to learn to carry harder? Jk
Where they all afk or they just rushed like headless chickens and died in a dumb way?
latent snow
Jeez 6 0 damage teammates in one game
flat bane
I never seen 6 in one game. The most I've seen was 4.
crystal spoke
I'm actually genuinely impressed
jagged crescent
Meadsy had a vid of a whole team doing no damage
drowsy idol
Image not deleted after 50 minutes and the category is chat with devs
regal grove
hey look its you
ionic ivy
bruh
scarlet fjord
make a video to FORCE players under 49% wr and maybe other stats if possible to watch ur guide videos
about how to play
which for the love of god you need to make right now
i am watching an E100 this is tier 10
an E100 trying to catch a medium tank thats circling him with ONLY its turret traverse not turning the hull
70% of my team mates frustrate me sometimes...
u gotta teach your player base to play your actual game
and selling tier 8-10 premiums to ppl who dont have those tiers is one of the reasons
WoT PC at least has some videos which i watched before playing blitz just because similar game and i did learn a lot of things that nobody talks about like u can shoot from behind a bush and not get spotted if u reverse back enough
crystal spoke
That wouldn't change anything most people don't care/ want to learn how to play they just want to kill time
candid fox
T-62a and 140's ammo count needs to be buffed. It's really so low. IS-4 and IS-7 got ammo buffs recently, so why not buff the Russian meds too while you're at it?
regal grove
yea like it can only do 15k damage but what if I need to do more than that? That would be a heartbreaker
nimble zodiac
Well IS-7 could do 13.8k with AP, it's all about room for different shells
versed wing
The game should limit the amount tds per team to 2. Currently, 3 tds per team seems like it encourages camping. No one wants to push and it makes the gameplay very stale.
candid fox
yea like it can only do 15k damage but what if I need to do more than that? That would be a heartbreaker
@regal grove Exactly.
drowsy plaza
@candid fox How often do you see 7 Maus on red?
nocturne mauve
In tier 8 there’s a giant heavy spam though
nimble zodiac
Oh that's great, but you shouldn't expect one tank to get all of the damage
Nvm I keep goofing, it still has its 25mm ball apparently, I guess I should test it
cerulean gorge
#T95E6 needs a buff
1)Maybe a reduction on the cupola's size
2) maybe a armour buff on cupola making it like realy harder to snap shot , requiring more attention
regal grove
but he did though
candid fox
@drowsy plaza Never, matchmaking doesn't allow it
minor minnow
:0 the legend himself
gleaming apexBOT
🍌Xtream_BANANA🇧🇪[-KC-]#0800 has been warned.
unique scaffold
What happend?
ionic ivy
I'm just here enjoying the memes slava creates
austere citrus
nah t95e6 is fine
granite roost
@cerulean gorge u cant pen the cuploa anywhere other then dead center so why complain
rancid wharf
Godbless Blitz.
jagged crescent
just wiggle lol
vale sun
they should probably remove the 25mm ball on the side of the t95e6 turret though lol
sweet prism
Give rhm borsig 300-400 more dpm in it's 128mm gun to make it competitive. The 152 mm is unreliable rng fest and the tank in general is inferior compared to skorpion and su130.
2.3k dpm on 128mm
plush perch
@sweet prism what is reload time on 460 alpha gun
compact nymph
About 12-12,5 sec I think @plush perch
plush perch
it sux den
nocturne mauve
Su 130 sucks more
plush perch
ferdinand is top ? whatt
low hollow
jag buff when
somber plank
Those brit light tanks really need some nerfing
vagrant radish
Me being a KV-2 main the tank needs a slight armor buff considering everyone the millisecond they find you will not stop till your dead
indigo knot
@lusty silo can we expect some overall buffs to TDs as a class or nerfs to HTs as a class....
there main job is dealing dmg but they have been struggling to do that since HTs HP pool buff while HTs have been been doing the jobs of TDs and Meds in general
tender bison
well, u saw the stats, look how high the vickers line's stats are
plush perch
those stats were same for 2 patches , hopefully they get nerfed in 4th patch
tulip pollen
Have not met the vickers but i still very much want the missiles removed
distant river
Who would have thought it? The E3 didn't need the consumables, the tier 9/10 Brit lights are overcooked and tier 8 and 10 heavies didn't need the hp buffs at all because as a class they outperform the rest. This is even among "good" players who should perform the worst in heavies due to their supposed lower skill cap.
Literally everything the community warned WG about before they went ahead🤦♀️
Stop catering to noobs who can only play heavies and want to feel good and start balancing stuff properly WG.
tender bison
also the bat chat has been left in the dust, its reload between shells needs to be 2 seconds
feral night
yea theyre just better than the two BC tanks but thats ok theyre balanced now they have low WR and all
crisp bane
also the bat chat has been left in the dust, its reload between shells needs to be 2 seconds
@tender bison yes I absolutely agree. this or a slight increase in alpha to match 105mm standards. otherwise the tank is actually a pleasure to play with
simple sinew
Please buff Sheridan. It's doing terrible after nerfing it's speed. Please buff Sheridan to what it was before. You can reduce the ATGM charecteristics but speed and pen should be more for APCR.
tender bison
@tender bison yes I absolutely agree. this or a slight increase in alpha to match 105mm standards. otherwise the tank is actually a pleasure to play with
@crisp bane yeah, with its 3 seconds, its out in the open for too long, and as a light tank thats not good. with its alpha, idk 320? just a small difference
distant river
You don't need to be exposed for the whole 3 seconds you can poke and get back into cover easily
hearty steeple
Nor do you need to dump all 3 shells everytime. Yes batchat could do with some buffs but people just don't play it right
feral night
i think its fast enough now. The mobility buff was good
tender bison
but its just able to unload quicker, making it more like a light tank, its supposed to be annoying
plush perch
2,5s intra reload would be nice
sudden path
I think 350 alpha and a 17 second clip reload would be better and make it more competitive. The extra damage within the clip would make the tank able to compete with the other light tanks in the tier.
stiff edge
17 seconds for 40 alpha? Thats a bit much imo. 3 extra seconds for 40 extra alpha on each shot would be quite tough to work with, since part of the beauty of the bc is its shorter mag reload
hearty steeple
^ this, we don't have the pc batchat which can assassinate a full hp tier 10 meds in a clip.
Having that short interclip is part of the reason why i enjoy the batchat so much. As much as i would love to have an extra shell or additional dps, i would much rather prefer getting back into the game quicker than to wait a 17-20 second reload to do so.
remote oriole
The intraclip reload is the reload between shells in a magazine, not the magazine reload, which is the interclip reload
vagrant radish
True buff it back to original stats cause we get bullied by t-1 heavys and M6 tanks
remote oriole
You’re all talking about how the Bat. Chat. needs a buff, but the issue is that the tank is already very strong and influential with good players, and a considerable buff would only rise the skill ceiling and allow op players to completely dominate in it, which is not exactly the definition of balance. It’s one of those tanks that are only for skilled players and works very well if played right. The tank does not need any balancing at the moment
@muted rampart the KV-2 was ‘balanced’ by the accuracy and reload (which it was not considering its dpm and RNG being what it is) because everyone focused it down because it literally was the greatest threat to you at tier five and six. It was by no means balanced by stats
nimble zodiac
I could say the same for the IS-7 😳
plush perch
in fact kv2 can one shot other tanks , kv2 was always an issue , i like how it is now , it is balanced
hushed delta
The 121B is underpowered, please give it a buff
plush perch
@muted rampart that is what should happen , a tank that can one shot other tanks should not have good pen
distant river
@muted rampart The KV2 is unbalancable. It should not be in the game with the 152. If you think 85mm of HE pen (especially with 960 alpha) is bad then something is very wrong. The KV2 is either stupidly op or terrible because it is a completely different dimension of broken. It needs removing.
hearty steeple
Kv2 shouldn't have survived 5.5, in fact it is one of the reasons why 5.5 even occurred. T-150 should have been there to lead to kv3
muted rampart
@distant river we ll never agree because you are the one of people that hates big gun tanks and everything like this. you are the one of people that thinks everythig should be the same and nothing should be able to take most of hp from tank in a one shot. I am the one of people that think those tanks are needed in the game to make it more interseting and hard. if a tank has possibility to take most of hp from other tank in one shot, it should be able to do it. the pen and alpha should be good. but if tank has both of this things it shouldn t be anything more good about it. the armor should be uselles, mobility should be bad and aiming time, reload time and accuaracy should be horrible. this is point of those tanks. those tanks are balanced and making the game a lot harder because of fear factor. if you hit - enemy dies, but if you miss - you die. this is point of those tanks. those tank are really hard to play. if you aren t skilled player you won t make anything more than one shot and this is how it should be. those tanks aren t broken in any way. if you are stupid enough to yolo and show your weak parts of the tanks to them then it s only your fault
@plush perch and it should be able to do it. this is whole point of this tank...
plush perch
@muted rampart i agree with him , KV2 can still one shot and has huge alpha dmg
distant river
@muted rampart There is a huge difference between everything being the same and having one broken tank that requires two entire tiers to get new equipment to attempt to balance the mess that is the KV2. This game is interesting without a broken tank. The tank ruins the game for 13 other people and then teaches everyone to camp in a corner to avoid one cancerous tank.
If you aren't skilled enough to play other tanks well then that's your fault, you should never have to rely on a broken tank to pretend you are good.
ionic ivy
Vickers Light is fine as is, vickers cr might need some tuning. Nevermind, vickers light could do with a mobility nerf or something.
muted rampart
@distant river LOL the kv isn t even my most played tank... i can play other tanks pretty well and it s not my point.
gaunt coyote
buff 113gft
distant river
It is your most played tank in the last 30 days and over your career, 2nd in 60 days and 5th in 90 days. You were too late changing your nickname to try and hide that btw. Your point is that there should be one broken tank for no reason (assuming the reason isn't to make players feel good when they only average 2 hits per game). That is a stupid concept that only ruins the game.
- The KV2 ruins tier 6
- The KV2 gives players bad habits that ruin higher tiers.
- The concept of being able to 1 shot a tank is inherently broken no matter what.
- The KV2 has same dpm as meds with 4x the alpha, ignoring the ridiculous HE. This is coupled with a turret as well.
Until you can disprove every single one of these, you must agree that the KV2 should be removed for the health of the game. @muted rampart
scarlet fjord
Buff the 183 aleady
i can do decent in it but its still unreliable if you frontline u can dish out some damage by farming bad players
Buff either the armor or the accuracy just enough to work medium range at least or
give it speed and camo
give me SOMETHING to work on
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/502017295107883008/747758265227804693/7.1_-_t10.png
unique scaffold
@scarlet fjord 183 can erase at least 1300 hp if you use HESH on a weak part of an AMX 50 B or other heavies rear, you have just to be on guard enough to retreat where you are protected by team
@distant river calm down, KV-2 won't be removed so soon, live with it, and it's easy to kill anyway
compact nymph
@muted rampart mate, if you find the KV-2 that bad, why do you even play it? I mean, not like there was any reason to. If you want an IS-4 just play the KV-1s which is a way better tank.
remote oriole
@distant river This is not how it works. You have to prove your claims for them to be true. The need to provide evidence is on your side, not his; it would be ridiculous if you assume every position to be correct until it is disproven
distant river
@unique scaffold Afaik you have no control over whether the KV2 will be removed soon, and you wouldn't know if WG were going to do it.
@remote oriole I have proven my claims and he cannot prove them wrong but still doesn't change his point of view. 1 and 2 are simple and I have explained, 3 is also obvious and 4 is just plain facts. There is plenty of evidence supporting what I have said, and none supporting anything he has said.
iron lynx
I'm happy about the fact that WG has never buffed the FV215b 183 even though it has been the worst tier 10 TD in terms of WR for like a year now.
I guess the ability to delete 80% of a tank's HP in one shot kinda kills off any thought about balancing it.
scarlet fjord
I already know how to play 183 @unique scaffold
I am on Soft Rescues last 183 Video
anyone that struggles to play it can watch that and see how to deal dmg at frontlines
thats not my point
almost every player right now cant do that as you can see the statistics say its the lowest win rate and lowest average damage in tier 10 MANY TIMES less than the others specially E3
even i who loves the tank and knows hot to play it sometimes struggle cuz its just not a reliable play style
if my team dont go the proper routes i am screwed if i dont get lucky and the enemy exposes themselves
lets jsut say 30% of the games u cant frontline and ur somewhat unreliable
unique scaffold
@distant river neither do you. Relax, no amount of rage or supposed reasoning of yours can make WG remove KV-2 any time soon, just enjoy the game
@scarlet fjord maybe it needs just a tiny bit of camo, because literally everyone from the far side of the maps can see a 183 moving, imo
compact nymph
I’m sincerely against the removal of the KV-2. Not like I ever played it or would do in the future, but I appreciate to have a thousand of free damage to farm when playing T6 or 7. Keep the KV-2 in the game pls, we all like to farm them after all
distant river
@unique scaffold That is wrong as well, community pressure will always push WG into making changes, especially when the community is correct
unique scaffold
@distant river good luck with that then
lone warren
I'm happy about the fact that WG has never buffed the FV215b 183 even though it has been the worst tier 10 TD in terms of WR for like a year now.
I guess the ability to delete 80% of a tank's HP in one shot kinda kills off any thought about balancing it.
@iron lynx Pretty much.
They had to nerf it because it was killing tier ten. The majority of tier ten games pre-nerf would likely have two to four deathstars in a game, creating obnoxious gameplay. No one wants a return to that
distant river
The less people like you who sit there pretending it isn't a problem the faster the problem gets solved 🤷♀️ @unique scaffold
lone warren
As someone who used to play the KV-2 a lot as a newer player, the bad accuracy argument is kind of weak as it was never really an issue because it’s mid tiers and the majority of enemies will try to challenge you stupidly and sit still in front of your gun.
It is definitely not as powerful as it was before, and it isn’t as big of an issue now, but calling it balanced is wrong.
Will the KV-2 ever be removed? Probably not, I don’t expect Wargaming to do that. It sucks that they decided to remove the T-150 in 5.5 though, they really should have kept it where it was.
unique scaffold
Kv-2 legit sucks. You can’t pen anything. So idk why you think it is so hard to kill. It gets penned by every dam thing. You can he for 300 but your dpm becomes useless. And at that point why not play the kv-1s. The kv 2 does not need removal. It is fine as is. If your a pro and you get hit by a kv 2 your doing something wrong, it has horrible aim.
distant river
When did anyone say it was hard to kill, and when does somethings AP pen matter when it has highest HE pen easily as well as 960 alpha? 300 splash at tier 6 is just wrong, from a 152 splash is generally 400-500. And again for some reason you are assuming that it doesn't pen with 76mm of HE pen at tier 6.
But anyway go look at my points and tell me why it doesn't need removal. Not everyone is a pro, especially at tier 6. @unique scaffold
stiff edge
i do remember most t6s getting an equipment that reduces the HE damage of 130+ mm tank guns
ionic ivy
spall liner?
remote oriole
Tier five and six got the middle spot in the first row improved to [name]+ which reduces HE damage of all 131mm or higher guns by 10%
unique scaffold
@distant river the less people like you who think there's even a problem, the better
KV-2 is RNG on tracks. It is a tank that appeals to players in the same way that a slot machine appeals to grandmas at a casino. It is a minimal effort tank that allows players to strike it big if they just keep pulling that lever. It should have been removed in 5.5. The T-150 fits the line much better.
nocturne mauve
Even if it has such a poor gun handling and reload, it’s still broken because of one shots. Plus wg added anti-HE equips but that didn’t change anything because noobs don’t always use equips
The HE pen nerf did nothing because calibrated shells exist, the only way for KV-2 to be balanced is to have 780 like the T49
plush perch
just because someone does not use something it does not mean it didnt chance anything
unique scaffold
I think that maybe the places should have been just inverted between T-150 and KV-2: T-150 should have been tech tree tank, KV-2 a collector tank, not removed, but less spammed anyway, problem solved, if there's any
sudden path
They could never remove the kv2, it was just way more popular. Regardless of line fit. However, you can play the kv1s if you dont want to play the kv2
misty swan
Moral of the story here is trying to balance tanks that rely on rng is hard. Its either broken or just sucks
scarlet fjord
Buff 183 aim time and or dispersion on the move and traversing
and buff the mobility just a touch so you can frontline with it more comfortably
remote oriole
A tank with such alpha has to pay dearly for it. There is no need to make it competitive because the whole alpha concept is basically making it a meme tank, so it is better to just leave it as it is instead of creating either the old toxic 183 meta we used to have or a tank you will just have to dodge and focus down whenever you can because otherwise it will obliterate you like the KV-2 used to be at tier six. Leave the meme tank as a meme and don’t try to make it some balanced competitive tank, because the alpha literally doesn’t allow you to do that without making it broken in certain situations
dark glen
^ buffing it would make the jageru more and more obsolete as well
compact nymph
The problem with the 183 is that if you buff it without nerfing the HESH alpha, every single T10 battle with be filled with 4 of them. My opinion is: it’s the fifth most played tank over the past 90 days, remember that. If it’s such a popular tank, why not just leaving it as it is?.
muted rampart
@compact nymph i think 183 should be removed from tech tree asap. As Long as it will be in tech tree no matter how will you want to buff it, it will end with 4 183 s every battle. It can be buffed but at least few months after removing from tech tree
distant river
@distant river the less people like you who think there's even a problem, the better
@unique scaffold There is a problem though. I have shown that, and nobody has shown otherwise. If you pretend it doesn't exist then you are just encouraging WG to keep the game as bad as it is instead of trying to get them to do a simple change and solve the problem.
All it takes is a quick swap. KV2 made collectors and the 152 removed/the alpha nerfed (including APs). T-150 put back in the tech tree. Everyone that had the KV2 gets the T150 for free and keeps the nerfed KV2. Everyone that had the T150 gets the KV2 for free. KV2 gets the same gold selling price as the T150.
The only people that lose out are the people who rely on the KV2 to pretend they are good, and they fully deserve to lose after years of ruining the game for everyone else.
plush perch
@muted rampart it is too late to remove them
tribal lodge
Crying in jgpz e100
full token
How did the tiger 2 get that low on the charts. Even the 50 100 is higher..
wise dirge
Look at how sad the 183 is lmao