#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 158

warped crest Jun 12, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Bruv nice name cool

thick wharf Jun 12, 2020, 3:34 AM

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yea but 10 is a lot so maybe they will listen to us this time

slate marsh Jun 12, 2020, 3:35 AM

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Bro im not even joking bro he is the number 1 Maus player bro. He really is really good bro I’m not even joking. Player_8008135 is really good at maus bro and he says that maushcen is better so I would suggest listening to him because he’s the number 1 maus player in the Milky Way galaxy bro

warped crest Jun 12, 2020, 3:44 AM

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Rip hes about to cry. Edit it's an amazing tank already for tournaments . U want 77 kmh maus

thick wharf Jun 12, 2020, 3:45 AM

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It’s ok man we will sign the petition and buff maus and it will be a great tank

unique scaffold Jun 12, 2020, 3:46 AM

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And people wonder why blitz player base is toxic

karmic steeple Jun 12, 2020, 3:54 AM

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This guy admitted to trolling earlier lmao

sweet prism Jun 12, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Stop feeding the trolls

warped crest Jun 12, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Can u not troll @flint wasp thx. This is for real or good suggestions of what should be changed to make the game balanced.

winged barn Jun 12, 2020, 3:57 AM

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It's funny to see the chaos he causes even though I blocked him a while ago
It's great to see the results without having to see the actual whining
That's what we call a reroll⬇️

slate marsh Jun 12, 2020, 4:00 AM

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You guys are saying that he’s a 30% like guy he’s actually really good bro seriously I checked his blitz stars bro 💀 (not fake) (actually real)

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thick wharf Jun 12, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Omg he’s rlly good guys he’s the best maus player u believe him and stop trolling plz

warped crest Jun 12, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Explain this pls wheres the maus/ any t8 t9 or t10

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winged barn Jun 12, 2020, 4:09 AM

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On his other account that he gave away (ignoring the fact that this is not allowed)

karmic portal Jun 12, 2020, 4:09 AM

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@warped crest He has been failtooning in the comet. That’s how he ends up seeing the mauschen.

slate marsh Jun 12, 2020, 4:10 AM

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@winged barn um actually he has over 100000 battles so like that’s not even a reroll bro

thick wharf Jun 12, 2020, 4:14 AM

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Omg can u teach me how to play side because when I play my@side facing enemy it doesn’t do anything so can u teach me later how to drive

vale sun Jun 12, 2020, 4:16 AM

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Can you guys like, stop feeding the troll?
He clearly has nothing better to do
Just forget about him, he's irrelevant

fair socket Jun 12, 2020, 4:18 AM

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T34 needs to get buffed (heavy btw)

warped crest Jun 12, 2020, 4:20 AM

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Where ,reload, armor , gun depression, aim time ,gun dispersion?

winged barn Jun 12, 2020, 4:21 AM

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@fair socket come back with a tank that actually needs a buff. The t34 does not.

slate marsh Jun 12, 2020, 4:22 AM

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T34 is pretty well off right now imo. It’s better than the T32 and is actually a pretty fun tank to play. The gun is good, the armour is great, and it’s not even too slow. It is very good on ridge lines and there is no reason to buff it at all.

fair socket Jun 12, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Maybe I’m just bad Lol

slate marsh Jun 12, 2020, 4:33 AM

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no u

lone warren Jun 12, 2020, 8:58 AM

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T34 doesnt need a buff.
Its got ridgeline capacity, a decent gun packing high pen for a heavy tank, and it also received the HP buff. Its in a pretty good place as a tier 8 heavy

gleaming apexBOT Jun 12, 2020, 10:42 AM

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dynoSuccess Warning logged for ☺☻☺#9950. They were not warned.

noble siren Jun 12, 2020, 2:10 PM

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@flint wasp Maus is actually good but there is no doubt that it has some weird weakspots on the tracks. For me Maus is kinda working with all these hull down mediums and etc

odd tendon Jun 12, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Even without angling, Maus can't be penned at all frontally by meds without use of pramo and for same tier heavies it's a 50/50 chance with standard ap

compact nymph Jun 12, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Nope, using CS on my E50M I go through the lower plate with APCR consistently.

olive hawk Jun 12, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Give e4 some watermelon

ionic ivy Jun 12, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Bruh did this man create 1 account for each tank in the game?

drowsy idol Jun 12, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Just shoot maus fuel tanks, and the sides can be penned by t10 meds

vale sun Jun 12, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Nice try dyno 😎

unique scaffold Jun 12, 2020, 5:02 PM

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@vale sun the warning is still on your record. Doesn't matter if you see it or not

vale sun Jun 12, 2020, 5:26 PM

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I'm aware, it's still funny though

noble siren Jun 12, 2020, 7:15 PM

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@odd tendon maus IS penable by the meds

odd tendon Jun 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Lower plate is between 250-260 if there is NO angling. With CS, meds can't reliably pen it with standard apcr.

stoic pebble Jun 12, 2020, 7:32 PM

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I can pen unangled maus turret cheeks consistently with fv4202 standards with CS

compact nymph Jun 12, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Within the current heavy meta I tend to run CS on my meds and without too much angling, I can consistently pen a Maus’ lower plate with APCR, using an E50 M/STB.

ionic ivy Jun 12, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Non-angled maus lower plate is pretty much pennable by any med with standard rounds. Penning the turret cheeks and an angled lower plate will require heat

nimble zodiac Jun 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

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It's around 235mm/254mm for the LFP of Maus depending on Enhanced Armor for AP, I should include the shell type lol

244mm/263mm vs APCR rounds

cobalt harness Jun 12, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Could I make the game matchmaking more fair all day I get noobs and unfair tanks and I always loose and get nothing

lone warren Jun 12, 2020, 9:58 PM

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@cobalt harness read the channel pinned messages

regal grove Jun 12, 2020, 10:22 PM

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just win more

drifting depot Jun 12, 2020, 10:53 PM

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Carry harder

the mf who actually carried his way up to 55-60 % wr

crisp elm Jun 12, 2020, 11:04 PM

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Please buff the t32. At least make the penetration better.

nimble zodiac Jun 12, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Let's buff it 2mm to make it 200mm

drifting depot Jun 12, 2020, 11:16 PM

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No, 210 ._. So y'all can use Cali shells and have the pen of an is tank.... Which still isn't that much tbh but meh it's something

jagged crescent Jun 12, 2020, 11:17 PM

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Maybe better aiming time but honestly it’s pretty fine where it is rn

wicked pine Jun 12, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Please buff 252u! I am getting peened so easily

crystal spoke Jun 13, 2020, 12:42 AM

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The 252 is fine how it is all you need to do is hid the lower plate and wiggle

dim field Jun 13, 2020, 1:38 AM

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You've been baited

unique scaffold Jun 13, 2020, 1:56 AM

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Make 250 fold like 200 or 300k credits

tawny roost Jun 13, 2020, 1:58 AM

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Bro what did I just read... a dude w his average tier being t7 wants the Maus to be buffed...?

karmic portal Jun 13, 2020, 2:07 AM

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@tawny roost He fail toons in a comet a lot. That’s why he struggles

tawny roost Jun 13, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Oooo lol

rich delta Jun 13, 2020, 3:04 AM

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The VK 45.01 A has atrocious balancing. The very worst tier 8 heavy in my opinion. The tank can’t do anything well, not even mobility wise, it’s a disgrace

jagged crescent Jun 13, 2020, 3:27 AM

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Play it to bully mediums

drowsy idol Jun 13, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Vk 72.01 needs a frontal armor buff !1!1!1!!!!!

thick rover Jun 13, 2020, 3:36 AM

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🤡

vale sun Jun 13, 2020, 3:42 AM

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bullying mediums is all fun and games until a panther 2 comes along and bullys you instead

round bluff Jun 13, 2020, 4:22 AM

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Panther 2 still a medium

drifting depot Jun 13, 2020, 4:49 AM

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cough not like the average t8 heavy has enough pen to get rid of a panther 2

odd tendon Jun 13, 2020, 4:54 AM

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@rich delta idk man kv4 is up there with vk45

coarse harness Jun 13, 2020, 8:22 AM

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KV-4 at least has noob proof armor if you angle it well

unique scaffold Jun 13, 2020, 10:00 AM

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Is it possible to angle with the smasher or the kv 2 seems like it has papaer thin armour :/

fiery flame Jun 13, 2020, 10:33 AM

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Kv5 is useless

lone warren Jun 13, 2020, 11:06 AM

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@unique scaffold Theres not much point to angling those tanks. They don't have much armour, and most tanks will easily go through your hull.

unique scaffold Jun 13, 2020, 12:17 PM

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Yes your right

crystal spoke Jun 13, 2020, 12:28 PM

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It's the only good part about them

odd tendon Jun 13, 2020, 4:01 PM

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@coarse harness kv4 does not have noob proof armor, there are weak spots, that you cant hide, everywhere that anything with more pen than a t32 can exploit

nimble zodiac Jun 13, 2020, 4:19 PM

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It’s gonna get buffed tho so we should see what it can do after the buff

noble siren Jun 13, 2020, 5:19 PM

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lmao I want more side armor

unique scaffold Jun 13, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Give a weak spot to fcking vk90

dense walrus Jun 13, 2020, 5:47 PM

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lower plate and turret cheeks...

boreal wadi Jun 13, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Cupola shouldn't be 300 tho, all the other german heavies have much weaker turrets that also require angling to work

drowsy plaza Jun 13, 2020, 7:34 PM

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If you’re having issues against the VK90, you’re doing something wrong...

drowsy plaza Jun 13, 2020, 7:50 PM

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That’s with a tier 9 M103 with AP non CS.

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CS HEAT

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coarse sinew Jun 13, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Fact 98% of people who own vk90 are below 50%

dense walrus Jun 13, 2020, 8:05 PM

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**Fact **98% of statistics are 50% made up

gleaming arch Jun 13, 2020, 9:37 PM

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Fact Stop making fact that just consumes time

karmic steeple Jun 13, 2020, 10:16 PM

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And yet u continue to do it

remote oriole Jun 13, 2020, 10:27 PM

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He didn’t even state a fact, he asked them to stop doing something

ionic ivy Jun 13, 2020, 10:52 PM

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Fact stevo

gleaming arch Jun 13, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Stop, this is getting annoying.

jagged crescent Jun 13, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Fact Too bad

coarse harness Jun 14, 2020, 12:04 AM

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@odd tendon I mean if you play against noobs (regular battles) and you know how to angle the tank it'll bounce a lot even on flat ground
All you have to do is bait shots at your sides

odd tendon Jun 14, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Angling won't get rid of the cupola or cheeks which is where the majority of shots go

round bluff Jun 14, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Kv4 copula is annoyingly right on the center of the turret

odd tendon Jun 14, 2020, 1:07 AM

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yes, there is no way you can hide it. vk100 can wiggle it around or cover it with a wall when sidescraping and old e5 could turn the turret. kv4 you just have to sit there and take it

ionic ivy Jun 14, 2020, 1:41 AM

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kv4 cupola is so troll for some reason. I don't know why

jagged crescent Jun 14, 2020, 1:46 AM

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It’s a small spot to hit but it’s pretty weak when you do hit

winged barn Jun 14, 2020, 2:45 AM

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^that is how weak points should work
Try taking on a kv4 in a tier 7 med

jagged crescent Jun 14, 2020, 2:57 AM

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i wonder how they'll "buff" the armor

winged barn Jun 14, 2020, 3:02 AM

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It's either going to be a useless buff, or it will break the tank. That's my bet

warped crest Jun 14, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Make it broken probably

jagged crescent Jun 14, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Tiger II 2.0

nimble zodiac Jun 14, 2020, 3:25 AM

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At least Tiger can hit shots

karmic steeple Jun 14, 2020, 3:34 AM

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^^^^^

vale sun Jun 14, 2020, 7:09 AM

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kv4 turret is just horrific
that thing is what needs buffed

thick wharf Jun 14, 2020, 7:16 AM

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nerf mauschen. Maus but shreds t8s but less hp

nimble zodiac Jun 14, 2020, 7:20 AM

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Mauschen has a cupola though

noble siren Jun 14, 2020, 8:16 AM

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200mm side armor plz

winged barn Jun 14, 2020, 8:18 AM

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Mauschen is garbage

gleaming arch Jun 14, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Yup.

plush perch Jun 14, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Why it is hard to penetrate t29 hull with low pen tanks , it is hulldown tank it should get nerf or buff t 34 heavy hull and make it tier 7 tanks can’t pen it

tulip escarp Jun 14, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Because there low pen guns? Its fine as it is low pen guns should not be able to pen heavies frontally , they have speed

noble siren Jun 14, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Cause bad game balance

odd tendon Jun 14, 2020, 3:46 PM

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T29 has wayyyy too much frontal hull armor for that armor profile. Then you can also equip reactive armor because it's viable in tier 7+hp buff. Definitely one of the most op tier 7s.

compact nymph Jun 14, 2020, 3:47 PM

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It’s literally got more hull armor than the T34 despite being a tier lower, c’mon WG...

nimble zodiac Jun 14, 2020, 3:49 PM

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2036 vs 2064 DPM, the latter being T29’s 😂

oblique parrot Jun 14, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Why not give sheridan an alternative gun

gleaming arch Jun 14, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Good idea but... Wich shells will this gun use, what will be the caliber and the damages inflicted ?

oblique parrot Jun 14, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Changed--Sheridan alternative gun--

1. 152mm caliber
2. No missiles
3. Same reload as Sheridan
4. Only has 2 shell types, HEAT and HE:
- HEAT: Base Average Penetration = 225mm and Avg Damage = 490 HP (Range from 368 HP - 613 HP )
- HE: Pen = Base Average Penetration = 130mm and Avg Damage = 780 HP (Range from 585HP - 975HP)]

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frail silo Jun 14, 2020, 4:47 PM

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so basically you want it to be useless
if they gave it that and on top of it the speed nerf
then congratulations it is useless and even worse than the deathstar

@oblique parrot well T49 is hell of a fun tank but it is at tier 8
big difference
the upcoming nerf i think is too much for the sheridan
it is a light after all
i agree they should remove missiles
also your alternative gun ain't bad but make the avg damage for the standard shell 560, 490 is a bit too low
the HE pen could be 90 not 130mm because that is crazy and it can at least keep a little bit of its speed like nerf the HorsePower but not too much

oblique parrot Jun 14, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Well its basically a T49 at tier 10 hahaha and the T49 is fun, a lot of people play it and do good in it

The HE pen is that of the FV215b and the HEAT pen is similar to its current apcr pen

I just want a Sheridan to shoot me with a missile and then I want to HE him for 900

gleaming arch Jun 14, 2020, 4:54 PM

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This is a very good idea my dear friend, but WG will never realise it... The truth is sad.

oblique parrot Jun 14, 2020, 5:03 PM

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so basically you want it to be useless
if they gave it that and on top of it the speed nerf
then congratulations it is useless and even worse than the deathstar

@oblique parrot well T49 is hell of a fun tank but it is at tier 8
big difference
the upcoming nerf i think is too much for the sheridan
it is a light after all
i agree they should remove missiles
also your alternative gun ain't bad but make the avg damage for the standard shell 560, 490 is a bit too low
the HE pen could be 90 not 130mm because that is crazy and it can at least keep a little bit of its speed like nerf the HorsePower but not too much
@frail silo I agree, I do not like the idea of nerfing its mobility

I think WG knows the missiles is a stupid concept but does not want to admit it so they rather nerf the tank in other ways so that it becomes obsolete and no one plays it anymore and no one complains about missiles but they can still say it was a success

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Sheridan alternative gun

1. 152mm caliber
2. No missiles
3. Same reload as Sheridan
4. Only has 2 shell types, HEAT and HE:
- HEAT: Base Average Penetration = 225mm and Avg Damage = 560 HP (Range from 420 HP - 700 HP )
- HE: Pen = Base Average Penetration = 105mm and Avg Damage = 780 HP (Range from 585HP - 975HP)

oblique parrot Jun 14, 2020, 5:30 PM

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@frail silo something like this ^^^

The HE should be appealing to use

But without the upcoming mobility nerf

frail silo Jun 14, 2020, 5:31 PM

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well yeah i can get behind that lol

crisp elm Jun 14, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Seems like a t49 gun at tier 10. its only has better pen

static thicket Jun 14, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Yeah thats the idea

atomic hound Jun 14, 2020, 6:40 PM

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When are you gonna fix this WG... This is the lowest pen tank in t8. This weakspot means you can't angle a superheavy. It has no armour because this spot is so huge, and the tank so slow that nobody will miss it. Just buff this plate, it'll still be a worse vk100 but maybe then people will consider buying it.

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jagged crescent Jun 14, 2020, 6:53 PM

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That’s the side armor.
Also buffing the T29 hull was a dumb move. Stop spoonfeeding little children and maybe make them realize that they should work on working with the turret.

Lark do not give them more ideas

winged barn Jun 14, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Did I hear buff all heavies?

latent snow Jun 14, 2020, 7:19 PM

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There are tanks that seem pretty bad like the Pershing or amx 50 120, but through good play, they are able to work. Any tank can do the except the t28, the thing has nothing going for it. Slower than an at15, armor is useless against same teir tanks, gun is mediocre and sides can be over matched. How has this tank not been buffed yet?!

karmic steeple Jun 14, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Probably for the same reasons tanks like the black prince and t29 are continually getting buffed

warped crest Jun 14, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Dont buff all heavys remember obj 252 and actionX are heavys and will be even more broke lol

drowsy idol Jun 14, 2020, 9:55 PM

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I don’t see how 252u is broken

karmic steeple Jun 14, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Bc ppl can’t aim

nocturne mauve Jun 14, 2020, 10:10 PM

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They see red and say it’s OP

autumn zodiac Jun 14, 2020, 10:10 PM

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"I see red people."

vale sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:13 PM

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50 120 is perfectly fine as is

karmic portal Jun 14, 2020, 10:14 PM

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I had a t49 bounce two times of my rear, that’s how it’s op. An is3 would have died in that situation.

unique scaffold Jun 14, 2020, 10:15 PM

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sounds like me >.>

warped crest Jun 14, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Obj 252 isnt broken but if they add more armor to it

autumn zodiac Jun 14, 2020, 10:23 PM

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252u is far from OP, and if a T49 is not penetrating with its Low pen HEAT which is also extremely sensitive to angles mind you, and isn't overly accurate, I must say that calling 252u in a situation where a tank that would struggle to normally without HE fight it makes it OP, then that is a very specific argument.

wide swan Jun 14, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Algum brasileiro?

dense walrus Jun 14, 2020, 10:49 PM

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english only @wide swan

fair socket Jun 14, 2020, 11:23 PM

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odd tendon Jun 14, 2020, 11:57 PM

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252u far from op

that thing has the same armor profile as the is7

nocturne mauve Jun 14, 2020, 11:58 PM

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Not at all

dense walrus Jun 15, 2020, 12:02 AM

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lol

odd tendon Jun 15, 2020, 12:11 AM

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let's play guess the tank then

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drifting depot Jun 15, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Lower one is is7 and upper one is 252u ez, now go on bud we all know 252u is broken and sht

formal vale Jun 15, 2020, 12:25 AM

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I love facing IS-7s in my Comet : )

drowsy idol Jun 15, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Wow same I love facing them with my ho ri type 1

Also pz II J needs a pen nerf and armor buff!

round bluff Jun 15, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Lol I like how 252 has a steeper pike nose than is7

dense walrus Jun 15, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Lol I like how people completely ignore the massive lower plate

nimble zodiac Jun 15, 2020, 1:15 AM

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Or the IS-6 cupolas

sudden path Jun 15, 2020, 1:17 AM

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I own the 252u, and it's not op. It's only op when rng guides your shots. For most people, they have to get close, but then the weakspots(massive lower plate and top of turret) become easy pens.

ionic ivy Jun 15, 2020, 2:19 AM

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brawling with a 252 is also pretty easy. Shoot the driver's sights or cupolas

odd tendon Jun 15, 2020, 2:38 AM

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idk what mango lloyds you're seeing then because brawling with a 252 is a nightmare. The upper side armor is the same as the IS-7's 200+mm. The upper pike plates is even stronger than the IS-7's pike nose. The cupolas are so flush with the roof that I didn't even know they existed until I facehugged a 252 in a Jg88. The driver's port is 250mm which is beyond the range of most T8 guns. Any 252 driver with 3 brain cells knows how to keep pushing their tank into yours to hide the lower plate.

nimble zodiac Jun 15, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Shoot the middle side armor, and stay away from it because it requires a victim to hug

round bluff Jun 15, 2020, 2:59 AM

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there it is, the answer to countering every tank: no

vale sun Jun 15, 2020, 2:59 AM

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it has good straightline speed

odd tendon Jun 15, 2020, 3:01 AM

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252 also doesn't sacrifice much speed for that heavy armor. The closest tanks that have an impenetrable upper plate and thick sides would be the German superheavies and those are slow as molasses.

Ah yes, shoot the autobounce part of the side.

This is your daily reminder that pershing, at15, cent, t28, and vk45 exist in the same tier as 252u, action x, wz120ft, and tiger 2

nimble zodiac Jun 15, 2020, 3:08 AM

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The middle part of 252U's side armor (vertically) is the flat spot... not an auto-bounce...

round bluff Jun 15, 2020, 3:10 AM

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same as an is7 then

odd tendon Jun 15, 2020, 3:14 AM

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252 weighs the same as the e5 but somehow has a minimum of 90-100mm of armor everywhere. How did weegee make this happen? Is there a tank of helium in the 252 that made the 252 lighter?

dense walrus Jun 15, 2020, 3:16 AM

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armor does not equal weight, there are other factors

nimble zodiac Jun 15, 2020, 3:18 AM

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armor does equal weight ._.
but yes, there are other components

round bluff Jun 15, 2020, 3:20 AM

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such as profits per unit sold

odd tendon Jun 15, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Are you sure that the big steel slabs surrounding the crew and internals aren't responsible for at least some of the weight?

dense walrus Jun 15, 2020, 3:26 AM

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@nimble zodiac apparently it doesn't as you have discovered

nimble zodiac Jun 15, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Understand that a 300mm plate is as effective as a 150mm plate angled at 60 degrees, both reaching the same height, weigh the same, it's interesting

dense walrus Jun 15, 2020, 3:53 AM

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@nimble zodiac the 252u obviously has a more efficient design. the armor is more sloped and the profile is lower and compact. You can't just look at armor and think that directly translates to total weight.

vale sun Jun 15, 2020, 3:57 AM

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252u also has to carry 122mm rounds
but in WG land, rounds weigh around 5gs each

crystal spoke Jun 15, 2020, 3:58 AM

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Even 122mm rounds aren't that heavy all things considered

thick rover Jun 15, 2020, 3:58 AM

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I think you guys are on different pages
Tiger means effective armour doesn't translate to weight
While chicken means the actual armour does translate to weight
So both are correct? Idk

unique scaffold Jun 15, 2020, 4:03 AM

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@crystal spoke also note soviet 122s are all two piece ammo so even lighter

nimble zodiac Jun 15, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Actually, having flat plates is more efficient than having angled ones if retaining the same weight, as the angled ones are given a disadvantage due to shell normalization, as it won't affect a flat plate

False, they weigh the same since the sloped armor has to be longer to reach the same vertical height the flat armor achieves

Take this example, imagine a thick stick as tall as the ceiling. Now make the stick angled 60 degrees from the vertical, and try to make it touch the ceiling. You can't. You'd have to make it twice as long and therefore twice as heavy, making it equal the weight of the thicker, vertical stick, assuming the thick stick is simply twice as heavy as the "sloped" stick when it isn't doubled in length.

dense walrus Jun 15, 2020, 4:12 AM

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yes but 180mm of flat armor will most likely weigh a lot more than thinner sloped armor angled to 180 effective

nimble zodiac Jun 15, 2020, 4:23 AM

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Take this fun little thing as reference, the values of the sides are related to the side opposite of the 30 degree angle, noting how the 60 degree angled plate is 2x vs the “flat” plate being x.

I still believe armor (yes, not effective armor) directly affects the weight

Clearly this game neglects that in some aspects but that's how it would work, lookin at you T1 Heavy

@ornate shuttle my point except the influence of shell normalization against the angled plate, which is countered by the extra deck armor the flat plate adds

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dense walrus Jun 15, 2020, 4:23 AM

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yea I agree with your armor angling math but your original point was armor = weight

@ornate shuttle ? how would 130mm plate (252u front angled to 420 effective) weigh the same as 420mm plate?

ornate shuttle Jun 15, 2020, 4:26 AM

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It doesnt matter if its angled or not, a 200mm effective plate really sloped covering the same area from the same view point has the exact same weight of a flat 200mm base plate

Because thats how physics and math works Lmao, when its 420mm effective, keep the same view point, the part that got this mm is pretty small, replace it with a flat 420mm facing you and its the same weight.
its not like a 130mm plate super sloped with huge surface area covering the whole tank's front and half engine deck is light lol

nimble zodiac Jun 15, 2020, 4:35 AM

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The angled plate, if it wants to remain 2m tall vertically, has to double the length (and therefore the weight) of itself to stay that tall, and 60 degrees would be twice as effective as a flat plate if it was half the width of the flat plate. If you compare them vertically the angled plate would be twice as tall given it’s angled at 60 degrees

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round bluff Jun 15, 2020, 4:36 AM

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didnt rly need geo to prove the 252 is op but appreciated

dense walrus Jun 15, 2020, 4:36 AM

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it isn't OP
@unique scaffold they don't directly nerf prems (besides 5.5). no you said they don't nerf prems. they do.

unique scaffold Jun 15, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Idk what ya all are tryna accomplish. They don’t nerf premiums. Deal with it like u do with the wz. Maybe don’t focus it or shoot he at it @dense walrus thats what I said. They don’t. If they wanted to change something with it they can’t. They are nerfing collectibles secretly such as t22 armor on its sides @round bluff ur tank is tall for a reason

round bluff Jun 15, 2020, 4:46 AM

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so a 252's best strategy against a vk45a is to fight it. But for the vk45a, its best strategy is to shoot HE?

nimble zodiac Jun 15, 2020, 4:47 AM

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Shoot the cupolas...

dense walrus Jun 15, 2020, 4:48 AM

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@unique scaffold ok that is a nerf no? @round bluff maybe hit the big honking lower plate

vale sun Jun 15, 2020, 4:59 AM

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@nimble zodiac I thought that as well, but actually, sloping does reduce weight.
In essence, using your "ceiling and stick" example, flat armour would count as both the ceiling and the wall.
Hopefully the diagram does explain it.
Ah, I see. I missed that.
Sloped armour is worse for crew comfort, but in this game, crew can be revived with the press of a button so being in a cramped space shouldn't be too much of an issue.

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nimble zodiac Jun 15, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Yes, I did mention the extra deck armor, though it also provides OH SO LOVELY SPACE for your crew. Also flat plates, again, don’t get affected by normalization, so flat mechanically works better unless the angled plate is VERY extremely, say, 70 degrees (though angling the tank itself would help make plates able to auto-bounce)

Now I’m not capable of calculating the benefits of a little extra weight because of the normalization mechanic being unable to work (given no tank angling) but flat looks good to me

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So um... the theme of all this is that WG should calculate the weight of all of their tanks >:)

Oh and also angled plates look nice

round bluff Jun 15, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Ah yes, the 3 pixel tall copulas and the "large" lower plate. Very feasible for an outdated paper heavy to go against.

nimble zodiac Jun 15, 2020, 5:25 AM

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It's as large as the Lowe's lower frontal plate, and since the pike situation has it extend upwards in the middle, that could complicate it further

nimble zodiac Jun 15, 2020, 5:54 AM

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VK A is tall enough to shoot the cupolas which are rather easy to hit in a hug, it should win the DPM war if RNG doesn't stray far

odd tendon Jun 15, 2020, 7:08 AM

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Those cupolas are almost nonexistent. Even my jg88 could barely hit them in a facehug.

nimble zodiac Jun 15, 2020, 7:16 AM

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That's because that tank is shorter than VK A...

Well I did say "tank is shorter" I mean the vertical positioning of the gun

My point being it's not that they're super small, it's the fact they're positioned on the back with little inclination of the turret roof, so for short tanks in close distance fights, it can be hard to hit the cupolas just because of the position of the gun

full dew Jun 15, 2020, 7:44 AM

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Foch cupola fix sometime soon? Literally no shots go in when shooting it

oblique parrot Jun 15, 2020, 7:50 AM

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Sheridan alternative gun

1. 152mm caliber
2. No missiles
3. Same reload as Sheridan
4. Only has 2 shell types, HEAT and HE:
- HEAT: Base Average Penetration = 225mm and Avg Damage = 560 HP (Range from 420 HP - 700 HP )
- HE: Pen = Base Average Penetration = 105mm and Avg Damage = 780 HP (Range from 585HP - 975HP)

sweet prism Jun 15, 2020, 8:26 AM

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@full dewyou need to aim at the dead center and low. The two long sides are not hitbox
Also you may need parmo to pen it's quite strong when angled

upper lodge Jun 15, 2020, 9:45 AM

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The vk45a is a medium, change my mind

compact nymph Jun 15, 2020, 10:14 AM

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Exactly. Run it with your meds and all will be fine.

tight valley Jun 15, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Why my tank is buggy

round bluff Jun 15, 2020, 1:58 PM

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Lol that's the stop-gap solution to all the bad tanks right now. Is6, superpershing, and vk45a suck? Just go med side. Problem is, you'll end up having to deal with heavies at some point or another, and then you'll start to feel how inferior your vehicle is.

compact nymph Jun 15, 2020, 2:01 PM

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Well yes, but actually no. If you go to the meds side with a VK45.02 A, it’s literally because the tank is a medium. It’s got like 17,5 hp/ton acceleration and 50 degrees of traverse. If you don’t play it like a medium then you probably understood very little of the tank. I rarely struggle with heavies neither, as it’s easy to outdpm or outmanoever them.

drowsy plaza Jun 15, 2020, 4:47 PM

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@round bluff You should use the tanks characteristics to determine your best positions.

round bluff Jun 15, 2020, 4:53 PM

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right. Action X has great turret armor and great gun depression, so it belongs in the hills and ridges. Caernarvon, the same tank with less turret armor and a worse gun, belongs in the garage.

latent snow Jun 15, 2020, 8:15 PM

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im happy with my caernavon since it has the tokyo drift consumable

jagged crescent Jun 15, 2020, 8:30 PM

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ok so ur turd can go zoom zoom.
it's still a turd

latent snow Jun 15, 2020, 9:41 PM

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My turd can get into position faster

winged barn Jun 16, 2020, 12:05 AM

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And get killed out of that position faster

nimble zodiac Jun 16, 2020, 12:06 AM

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But wait, turn the turret at all and we'll take 10 seconds off of your lifetime, free!

exotic light Jun 16, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Sheridan dont need speed nerf just nerf the missile and buff the deathstar

heady acorn Jun 16, 2020, 12:46 AM

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I hope blitz doesnt become PC,AX might be the start of a domino effect where premiums are completely better than tech trees

Make the tech tree Caernarvon have the same reload as Black prince and give it extra pen,now the tech tree has a chance

Atm AX is P2WM-Pay 2 Win More

nimble zodiac Jun 16, 2020, 12:52 AM

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NO DO NOT GIVE IT BP RELOAD, BP already has 3k DPM, and for tier 8 heavy meta, a reload buff that excessive would be broken, I suggest a small speed buff and maybe some more turret armor

nocturne mauve Jun 16, 2020, 12:52 AM

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Black prince is damn broken also deathstar cannot be balanced with such a high alpha

dense walrus Jun 16, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Deathstar sucks

jagged crescent Jun 16, 2020, 1:27 AM

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That would also be outrageously expensive if you compared it to the temporary enrichments as well

heady acorn Jun 16, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Why not? Carnarvon doesnt have anything that the Black prince has. BP has DPM,which is the most overrated stat in the game,which can be easily be cancelled out by hit and run and trading.

Arent you the same guys that cry about premium spam in Ratings? Why not make the Caernarvon better than its counterpart for once,one update,I'd like to see more OP tech tree that are better than the premiums because that's how it should be.

Let's just give the Cearnavon something over its brother idc,just give it something

crystal spoke Jun 16, 2020, 1:33 AM

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You mean like how the vk100 was and everyone started complaining about how it was op and too good

nimble zodiac Jun 16, 2020, 1:47 AM

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I don't care about premiums honestly, also Tiger II vibin.

jagged crescent Jun 16, 2020, 2:28 AM

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wat

mossy wraith Jun 16, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Tiger 2 what?

nimble zodiac Jun 16, 2020, 3:27 AM

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he be vibin, making people shell out credits

thick wharf Jun 16, 2020, 7:58 AM

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@slate marsh

fossil spruce Jun 16, 2020, 8:36 AM

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if action x kill t8 balance, lets wait for its brother super conq

verbal thistle Jun 16, 2020, 9:34 AM

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he be vibin, making people shell out credits
@nimble zodiac not many people try to shoot cupola

verbal thistle Jun 16, 2020, 10:40 AM

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Petition for Wargaming to add custom zoom
Like the one in PC version

shrewd spear Jun 16, 2020, 11:48 AM

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Buff the vk45.03 it’s a mediocre tank now

compact nymph Jun 16, 2020, 11:50 AM

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It's nothing but a worse Tiger I

jagged helm Jun 16, 2020, 12:25 PM

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what, 25horse powers more ??? what does it changes ?
it is not even half a provision wtf ? (improved fuel brings about 65hp more to a tank with natively ~700horse power)

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coarse harness Jun 16, 2020, 1:25 PM

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Doesn't matter
The new light will demolish the BC even more

meager spruce Jun 16, 2020, 2:03 PM

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It will demolish leopard 1 too.

compact nymph Jun 16, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Wargaming seems to enjoy heavily armored light tanks these days.

empty glacier Jun 16, 2020, 3:19 PM

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The action x is cool but I need Apcr in tier 8/9 battles and it’s really expensive

drowsy plaza Jun 16, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Aim

jagged crescent Jun 16, 2020, 3:44 PM

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You have 225 standard pen. Just aim

lone warren Jun 16, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Action x has good accuracy and its pen is on the higher end of tier 8 heavies, just like the caernarvon

exotic light Jun 16, 2020, 4:10 PM

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There is several tanks in the game that sucks and it needs buff such as tortoise and firdinand and 183 and AT1 5 and the tire 7 french light
Speaking of balance
AT15 and tortoise and firdinand need armor buff because they get penned easy in the main armor
183 maybe more view range or give it 30mm of armor at the front to get some troll bounces and maybe better turret armor for E100 because the upcoming eu tree heavy have unpennaple turret even with gold
And about the amx it needs mobility

stiff edge Jun 16, 2020, 4:14 PM

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if anything the amx 13 90 would need a buff over the amx 13 75
amx 13 75 is completely fine

regal grove Jun 16, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Do
Not
Buff
183
Simple

nocturne mauve Jun 16, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Stupid camper’s tank

gaunt lance Jun 16, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Nobody's talking about the mid-tier French tds these days?

compact nymph Jun 16, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Another person recklessly asking for a 183 buff... Guys, it’s a T10 KV-2. Literally nothing more. And it is meant to be as useless, having pretty much nothing but the alpha going for it. With all those stupid memes, isn’t the 183 supposed to be a « fun » tank? If yes, then play it for the fun not expecting great results. If you want consistency, then just sell your 183 and play a better tank, as there are plenty of them (maybe because the 183 is the worst T10).

tawny roost Jun 16, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I feel like the 183 is actually underrated @regal grove

sly mauve Jun 16, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Buff the vk45.03 it’s a mediocre tank now
@shrewd spear its not even mediocre

drifting depot Jun 16, 2020, 5:07 PM

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cough cough not like the average person who complains about the 183 needing a buff is also the guy who's first tier 10 was either the 183 or the wz 113 G ft

nocturne mauve Jun 16, 2020, 5:08 PM

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What’s wrong with the wz 113g ft apart from the fact it’s trash

sly mauve Jun 16, 2020, 5:21 PM

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nerf the 183!!!

delicate moth Jun 16, 2020, 5:29 PM

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No, @sly mauve.

sly mauve Jun 16, 2020, 5:52 PM

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@delicate moth, why so negative⁉️

coarse harness Jun 16, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Just decrease the HESH dmg to ≈1100 and give it better P/W ratio in return

obtuse sparrow Jun 16, 2020, 6:05 PM

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The 113 g ft isnt trash.... dude its a chinese 268

nocturne mauve Jun 16, 2020, 6:05 PM

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What’s the point of it, also the frontal shoulders of the superstructure are only 70mm

dense walrus Jun 16, 2020, 6:06 PM

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It is slower, has a huge lower plate, and worse gun handling

round bluff Jun 16, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Boxy, large sides are easy to HESH too

nimble zodiac Jun 16, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Actually they're 80mm, and for some reason there's no main armor right below the superstructure, it's only spaced armor according to BlitzHangar anyways

coarse harness Jun 16, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Those cheeks should be around 120mm IMO

autumn zodiac Jun 16, 2020, 6:23 PM

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113 FT takes the worst traits of 268 and T110E3 and combines them into one tank

nocturne mauve Jun 16, 2020, 6:25 PM

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It needs some buffs

round bluff Jun 16, 2020, 6:33 PM

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the same way tortoise combines the worst traits of the su12254 and jagtiger, while somehow having worse dpm than both

unique scaffold Jun 16, 2020, 7:25 PM

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centurion 7/1 needs a slight reload buff if vickers CR gets 8 second reload

drifting depot Jun 16, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Vickers ain't getting premium hesh

full token Jun 16, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Why buff the Cent if the Vickers CR is too strong? Why not nerf the Vickers CR?

drowsy plaza Jun 16, 2020, 7:54 PM

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@vernal dock your point?

sly mauve Jun 16, 2020, 8:04 PM

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buff the is3 defender

unique scaffold Jun 16, 2020, 8:17 PM

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@vernal dock the existence of a patent ≠ that item being in use.

nimble zodiac Jun 16, 2020, 9:28 PM

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If matchmaking was broken, then how come the good players have such high WRs? I wouldn't account it to luck since most legitimate 60%+ers are very skilled, and should have made their influence to their wins that way. Dealing with it is the solution. And well... yes some tanks players use to boost their stats are... better than most... but wanting matchmaking to change is like claiming that you can't deal with the problems that pressing the battle button gives you.

Oh and about that Leo 1, it's not that bad in comparison to Vickers Light, it still has accuracy, penetration, and DPM (though lacking HESH). And their top speeds are exactly the same forwards and backwards which I think is hilarious

round bluff Jun 16, 2020, 9:42 PM

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vickers having armor and light tank camo will absolutely bury the leopard

oblique obsidian Jun 16, 2020, 11:02 PM

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why do we have to pay for converting elite xp? it’s a funnel for money. if you could exchange it for free at a fourth of the rate it’d be more fair. like for every 4 elite xp you earn ou can convert it to 1 free xp. i just don’t see how paying to convert something you earn is fair.

ionic ivy Jun 16, 2020, 11:06 PM

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or you could just play more battles to grind out the combat xp, which gives you I think 10% of all combat xp earned back as free xp

orchid grove Jun 16, 2020, 11:21 PM

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@oblique obsidian The point of it is precisely to be a funnel for money. Free XP conversion is one of the most common uses for gold that people do, and removing that would just shoot WG in the foot for no reason.

If people could get mass amounts of free XP for free, that would remove a huge chunk of revenue from WG. It's the same reason why the game has stock grinds, and research costs in the first place

drowsy plaza Jun 16, 2020, 11:45 PM

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@vernal dock did you make that up on your own? Did you even read the entire patent?

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Because if you did there is no possible way you would have written what you wrote.

flat bane Jun 16, 2020, 11:49 PM

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😂

drowsy plaza Jun 16, 2020, 11:49 PM

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The closest aspect to ‘rigging’ would be this section

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However for Blitz they do not do that (and I believe WoT dropped it too).

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Additionally this isn’t a MM rant channel for the Mad because Bad. This is tank/game balance which despite the tinfoil claims to the contrary has nothing to do with MM

haughty jewel Jun 17, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Look at these games and tell me mm isn’t lopsided

regal grove Jun 17, 2020, 4:58 AM

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just git gud

final warren Jun 17, 2020, 5:01 AM

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It’s a rng, ofc you will have lopsided battles. It just takes skill to push the battle in your favor

haughty jewel Jun 17, 2020, 5:09 AM

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Be quiet purple and look at these lopsided battles in a 66% player

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nimble zodiac Jun 17, 2020, 5:11 AM

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He's saying battles will be lopsided, you tell him to be quiet, and proceed to give examples of lopsided battles

=/

trail wolf Jun 17, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Guys should e100 have a armor buff?

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2020, 5:24 AM

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No it already had enough buffs

haughty jewel Jun 17, 2020, 5:24 AM

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Yeah maybe it’s turret is a little weak unless you angle it so maybe buff the turret

trail wolf Jun 17, 2020, 5:30 AM

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Enough buffs? It's turret is sooo weak. And also the hull of the E75 feels stronger than the one on the e100

nimble zodiac Jun 17, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Tier for tier it is, but the turret is E100's real issue, press 2 and it's usually done, angles around 340mm

sweet prism Jun 17, 2020, 5:40 AM

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run extra armour equipment, angle turret away from enemy between reload, don't sit out in the open. tier X meds running calibrated shells can pen unangled maus turret cheeks, you will have to get used to this german heavy playstyle.

round bluff Jun 17, 2020, 6:00 AM

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E100 is a strong tank right now because it simply has so much health; you can damage it, but you're going to need to sacrifice much more to kill it away

final warren Jun 17, 2020, 6:12 AM

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Superheavys are not made to do dmg, but rather to block dmg. Focus more on blocking and less on doing dmg. Also meds without cal shells can pen unangled maus cheeks

round bluff Jun 17, 2020, 6:14 AM

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Meh, e100 sort of just sucks up the damage. Sure, it does end up working in practice but no one likes to take damage for a living.

winged barn Jun 17, 2020, 6:37 AM

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I find mausing very enjoyable

oblique obsidian Jun 17, 2020, 6:43 AM

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@orchid grove so what you’re saying is that world of wallet warriors is still in light? to me i feel like you can’t have genuine fun without spending money. i’ve been playing for 4 years, granted i did take a break for a couple months, and i haven’t had genuine fun since around the tankenstein era. just seems silly to have something in the game that makes it less playable

trail wolf Jun 17, 2020, 7:48 AM

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When I'm playing my maus I just feel well protected since I know how to use the maus. But the E100 doesn't give me this feeling. Sure the dpm and alpha is higher. But Blocking shots even angled with e100 is almost inpossible against people with premium shells. In the maus I'm still easily able to block premium shells. I'm not saying e100 should be like the maus. But I feel like e100 just gets easily outclassed by almost all other heavies atm.

wet wharf Jun 17, 2020, 8:37 AM

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I agree. Massive lowerplate and weak turret face since everyone shoots gold at tier 10. WG should at least buff the turret

trail wolf Jun 17, 2020, 8:52 AM

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Agreed@wet wharf

fiery turtle Jun 17, 2020, 9:11 AM

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The entire AT line (including the 183 'Death Star') should be removed from the British tech tree and turned into blue collector's tanks - they no longer fit the Blitz meta with so many light tanks around.

No more ATs or Death Star for new players, please.

(Existing owners should be able to keep them or sell them for gold.)

frail silo Jun 17, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Superheavys are not made to do dmg, but rather to block dmg. Focus more on blocking and less on doing dmg. Also meds without cal shells can pen unangled maus cheeks
@final warren i mean if it is gonna be like that
Then award players for their blocked damage
Or else it is useless if your tank priority is just blocking

compact nymph Jun 17, 2020, 9:24 AM

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The entire AT line (including the 183 'Death Star') should be removed from the British tech tree and turned into blue collector's tanks - they no longer fit the Blitz meta with so many light tanks around.

No more ATs or Death Star for new players, please.

(Existing owners should be able to keep them or sell them for gold.)
I’m fine witht the Deathstar in it’s current state. It’s nothing but free damage. Can stay as it is, driven by derpthirsty newbies and getting farmed doing very little for their team.

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2020, 9:37 AM

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@haughty jewel The irony of your name is overwhelming.

fiery turtle Jun 17, 2020, 9:38 AM

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I’m fine witht the Deathstar in it’s current state. It’s nothing but free damage. Can stay as it is, driven by derpthirsty newbies and getting farmed doing very little for their team.
@compact nymph

In that case, I hope the 183's end up more green than red from your perspective!

compact nymph Jun 17, 2020, 10:00 AM

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Never said that was a bad thing. It means I can get more damage by myself. @fiery turtle

ionic portal Jun 17, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Sheridan has a got a well deserved nerf to missiles. BUT passing is medium speed from 51 to 43 is too much! Sheridan has no armor, so it needs to go fast! Will we get info about that?
We haven't got any explanation why do his speed got nerfed, no one was complaining about Sheridan speed, people were only complaining about missiles and spaced armor.

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2020, 10:20 AM

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No we were complained about maniability too

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2020, 11:00 AM

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@ionic portal speed was part of the issue. The ability to pop a missile and then outrun everyone was very much a problem. The horse power needed to be nerfed for the missiles to stay.

ionic portal Jun 17, 2020, 11:24 AM

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Yes but at the point making B-C faster than Sheridan it is a big problem. Sheridan was already being rekt by B-Cs but now? It is terrible almost impossible to survive against a B-C..

median socket Jun 17, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Uh no sheridans destroy bcs Everytime I play in a bc

thick rover Jun 17, 2020, 11:32 AM

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🤡

ionic portal Jun 17, 2020, 11:37 AM

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Before at least. Now 1vs1 a Sheridan you'll see @median socket

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2020, 11:38 AM

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This game isn't about 1v1 and should not be balanced as such.

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If you screwed up your positioning that much in a Sheridan to get run down by a Batchat then that is a you problem.

median socket Jun 17, 2020, 11:39 AM

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It's equal now

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2020, 11:39 AM

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The Sheridan never should have had the ability to pop a missile and then out accelerate any other tank in the match.

indigo knot Jun 17, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Boy E3 flies now

noble siren Jun 17, 2020, 12:18 PM

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This game isn't about 1v1 and should not be balanced as such.
@unique scaffold then why people still rant about Tiger 2 being "OP" and "too strong"?

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2020, 12:19 PM

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Because people like to rant

coarse harness Jun 17, 2020, 12:36 PM

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Cuz it's broken

crystal spoke Jun 17, 2020, 12:36 PM

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Because people believe 1v1s matter in overall balancing

final warren Jun 17, 2020, 12:57 PM

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@unique scaffold I agree, but I’m afraid the engine nerf will mean that there’s only 1 (maybe 2?) tanks that can beat it in acceleration since the nerf is pretty small.

winged barn Jun 17, 2020, 1:00 PM

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The Sheridan nerf was useless. Missiles are still broken as (insert word of your choice)

Nah, I'm gonna continue to give salt. If other people dont like me raging about them, that's their problem.

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2020, 1:01 PM

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One or two is better than zero

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Pretty sure missiles are here to stay. Time to adapt to them.

fair socket Jun 17, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Is there anything worth buying in the shop?

drowsy plaza Jun 17, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Vickers is answer to Missile tanks.

thick rover Jun 17, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Wai

winged barn Jun 17, 2020, 2:10 PM

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So did wg introduce light tanks or mediums?

compact nymph Jun 17, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Both.

round bluff Jun 17, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Haha don't worry about 3000 hp heavies and leopards with turret armor, m48 can beat them all with skill

warped crest Jun 17, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Sheridan nerf was nothing cant tell the difference

forest heath Jun 17, 2020, 5:07 PM

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I’m going to continue arguing for this so,the armor on the predator UM definitely needs a buff as well as a penetration buff
Players have to deal with the atrocious lack of gun depression limiting already where they can go on the map, increasing the frontal armor from 130 to 145mm and increase the thickness of the front vision ports from 75 mm to 90mm and the penetration from 165mm to 170mm base AP also improve dispersion on the gun. I had to deal with missing 2 out of 3 shots missing completely from a stationary target

nocturne mauve Jun 17, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Can we nerf the tiger 2

exotic light Jun 17, 2020, 5:45 PM

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E100 need turret buff jusf 20mm-30mm please
And t 34 3 need gun depression

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2020, 5:46 PM

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The APCR on American lights is the problem, it's better a standard HEAT round with slightly less pen on Sheridan, and heavy pen nerf to T92E1. It's not possible I go hull down in the WZ-111G FT and he manages to pen me frontally easily and run away. That APCR is too much powerful, while a standard HEAT round would show continuity with the T49

coarse dawn Jun 17, 2020, 5:53 PM

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This was the same thing I said when missiles came out initially but everyone was saying HEAT round would make it impossible to play. Showing that they probably never played the T49 or played it well.

exotic light Jun 17, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Dude that APCR your talking about cant pen any tire 9 10 meds frontal plate that looks like T62A such as T54 and WZ 120 and WZ 121 etc he got lucky maybe hit cupulla or shot your side Atgms has one of worst pen in terms of standerd shell after the nerf @unique scaffold im playing ATGMs everyday and when T62 or even E50 comes and pushes to me im just screwd

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2020, 6:03 PM

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The T92E1 I see are almost uncaring of my armor, and I am not totally oblivious of angling or positions. My opinion of T92E1 particularly is, that APCR should be replaced with a HEAT with same alpha and less pen, just like with T49, almost unplayable with its HEAT pen (in fact most users spam HE in it) but I don't find it difficult to play at all

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Buff T22

noble siren Jun 17, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Can we nerf the tiger 2
@nocturne mauve after they nerf Is3 Defender :)))

muted rampart Jun 17, 2020, 6:38 PM

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imo sheridan is now uselles. and btw there are still many tanks that need buff in the game 🙂

@forest heath you told it many times... predator is bullshit we all know it. but don t you think there are worse tanks? something like vk 45 02 A, vk 30 02 D, sta 1, kw 4 or is 6?

forest heath Jun 17, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Like the predator UM the armor on the predator UM definitely needs a buff as well as a penetration buff
Players have to deal with the atrocious lack of gun depression limiting already where they can go on the map, increasing the frontal armor from 130 to 150mm and increase the thickness of the front vision ports from 75 mm to 95mm and the penetration from 165mm to 173mm base AP also improve dispersion on the gun. I had to deal with missing 2 out of 3 shots missing completely from a stationary target. It’s depressing that it struggles to pen tier VI heavy tanks now, and nearly every map has too much hills to make the thing useful and it’s too big and slow to flank, KV-4 and IS-6 are far from bad, the KV-4 is really good even. The vk 45 is also good if you play it like the tiger I used to play

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All the above mentioned tanks have either armor or mobility on their side, the predator has neither. The fact that it sees tier VIII in this state is criminal

muted rampart Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM

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hahaha is 6 and kw 4 good? well maybe they aren t that bad but still when you have tiger 2 or obj 252u to play why do do you need kw 4 or is 6? about vk... it doesn t have armor and mobility as well. only gun is not that bad but still worse than the tiger 2 gun

@nocturne mauve but it isn t. it s just a tank that tier 7 can easly pen in upper plate or turret without even using gold

nocturne mauve Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM

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IS-6 should be the IS-4 of tier 8, but no

regal grove Jun 17, 2020, 7:14 PM

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is-6 and kv-4 ARE getting buffed so chill

round bluff Jun 17, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Pershing haha

full token Jun 17, 2020, 7:33 PM

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@noble siren Why does the IS3 Def. need a nerf? It’s gotten weaker over the years with all the other tanks added in. It’s also a premium tank so good luck getting that removed

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Is6 is getting buffed?

lone warren Jun 17, 2020, 7:46 PM

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@unique scaffold #devs-answers

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2020, 7:50 PM

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That's really good Is6 is 1 tank I really enjoy playing in. I have what most players would consider better tier 8 premium but that Is6 always been my go to fun tank.

nocturne mauve Jun 17, 2020, 8:02 PM

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That’s wholesome

compact nymph Jun 17, 2020, 8:13 PM

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Both guns will stay as bad as they are so I doubt I will consider it as a dangerous tank, even after an armor buff.

odd sandal Jun 17, 2020, 8:43 PM

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its a premium, it shouldnt get a buff, infact only thing they shouldve gave it was preferential mm 🤷‍♂️

unique scaffold Jun 17, 2020, 9:01 PM

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@unique scaffold the t92s APCR round literally has 210mm base pen

drifting depot Jun 17, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Sheridan and t92 have utter garbage pen smh, but oOoOOozo mIsSiLeS

noble siren Jun 17, 2020, 11:05 PM

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snowflakes

drowsy idol Jun 17, 2020, 11:24 PM

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I think the Japanese t9-10 tds need an avg dmg buff

nimble zodiac Jun 17, 2020, 11:38 PM

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No, they're capable

jagged crescent Jun 17, 2020, 11:41 PM

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They’re perfectly fine

karmic portal Jun 17, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Is it just me or does the tier 9 Japanese td have better armor with the sloped front

nocturne mauve Jun 17, 2020, 11:52 PM

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They need a higher HE damage

drowsy idol Jun 17, 2020, 11:52 PM

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True, 640 is too low

round bluff Jun 17, 2020, 11:54 PM

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Wait you guys are firing shells that aren't prammo in your ho ris?

nocturne mauve Jun 18, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Come on, the HE is depressing

ionic ivy Jun 18, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Just load full skill rounds, literally nothing can stop your shells

drowsy idol Jun 18, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Wow my credits and wallet can

marsh egret Jun 18, 2020, 1:18 AM

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I thing the obj 140 needs a buff

drowsy idol Jun 18, 2020, 3:29 AM

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Nope

drifting depot Jun 18, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Well obj 140 has always been about the extra mobility and the 1 degree extra gun depression, I say give it 100 more hp and 8 degrees of gun dep so it actually has something over the t62a

bold dagger Jun 18, 2020, 4:47 AM

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7 is plenty

thick rover Jun 18, 2020, 5:15 AM

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😌

unique scaffold Jun 18, 2020, 5:58 AM

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140 a better brawler imo and what i have seen. 140 also has better frontal armor which is irrelevant in most cases but is still better

winged barn Jun 18, 2020, 6:14 AM

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The 140 is better for dealing with low pen guns

scarlet fjord Jun 18, 2020, 9:59 AM

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Wargaming can you freakin fix the armor on Sheridan??? It bounces things sideways for no reason it has no armor... I think that spaced armor makes it glitchy

timber parrot Jun 18, 2020, 10:43 AM

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buff the KpfPz 70, improved reload, maybe decrease 3-5 seconds, I understand since this tank have an autoloader so it's okay to be un-historical.

noble siren Jun 18, 2020, 11:50 AM

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Ho Ri the tier 10 should get a better alfa for the HE shell cause the current alfa sucks

drifting depot Jun 18, 2020, 1:08 PM

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I mean, Conway has 670 premium hesh...., Sheridan and t92 have 680, I say give em all 780 like the t49

scarlet fjord Jun 18, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Why does the kranvagn have a turret stronger than even russians without using gun depression wargaming why does it have very good hull armor too in PC it doesnt pls stop powercreeping the Auto loader heavies

full token Jun 18, 2020, 3:31 PM

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It’s in test. These are changeable stats that you are treating like final stats. The purpose of testing is to try and make the tank more balanced

scarlet fjord Jun 18, 2020, 3:40 PM

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@full token i know all the information now is subject to change i also know wargaming dont learn their lesson i am just freaking out cuz they know that armor is broken why even start at 500mm turret armor what is that insanity i know they will screw it up like they did with sheridan and the armor on vickers hull down
it even has enough hull armor to bounce your standard ammo the kranvagn on the pike nose in PC it doesnt have even close enough to bounce with hull
its faster than the 57 heavy sure longer interclip but the armor is better on the turret than even the russians
not even HO-RI with 5 degrees normalization premium ammo can pen the turret except the small hatches

nocturne mauve Jun 18, 2020, 3:42 PM

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If you raise the gun up the hatches will be placed down and hidden

full token Jun 18, 2020, 3:44 PM

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@scarlet fjord Just because they messed up other test tanks doesn’t always mean they will mess up this one too. I think the Ho Ri ended up fine after the release. Didn’t seem that broken. They also have a number of months before they add it, since they just added a new line. They might go through two tests for the tank where they change it up once and then let the testers test the second version.

autumn zodiac Jun 18, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Kranvagn kinda has strong frontal armor but kinda paper all over the tank. As long as it has reduced enough mobility it should be fine.

dense walrus Jun 18, 2020, 3:52 PM

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yea you can't move that turret at all because the angles are all straight up. although it does have more hull armor than I expected, enough to annoy mediums

jagged crescent Jun 18, 2020, 4:11 PM

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The firepower also seems a lot worse compared to other auto loaders

hearty steeple Jun 18, 2020, 4:12 PM

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7.06 for 1200 burst, compared to 6 for 50b and 5 for t57. it is an autoreloader though

drifting depot Jun 18, 2020, 4:22 PM

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I say give it a 45mm side hull smh

scarlet fjord Jun 18, 2020, 4:56 PM

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@full token i dont mind the HO-RI its completely balanced
the armor mobility and autoreloading system are broken for that tank
The kranvagn i mean

stiff edge Jun 18, 2020, 5:01 PM

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i love how wg nearly always messes up new tier 9s in the tech tree
theyre either strong or broken

twilit crystal Jun 18, 2020, 5:02 PM

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idk why its an autoreloader

round bluff Jun 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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well it wouldn't be enough to simply to better than the 50b; the Kranvagn has to straight-up crucify 50b drivers on release.

distant river Jun 18, 2020, 5:44 PM

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The kranvagn has 3.5 sec intraclip as well as over 30 sec of clip reload, making it an autorealoder is a nice way to make sure its damage potential isn't too good with its awful reload, but also to make sure it won't be left behind in gameplay

drifting depot Jun 18, 2020, 5:47 PM

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^

dim temple Jun 18, 2020, 7:03 PM

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are mediums going to get a slight buff somewhere soon? 10% higher time-to-death of heavys comparing to mediums is somewhat significant. if you bring a medium against a heavy nowadays the heavy tanks will have about 15% higher time to death (comparing heavy DPM vs medium HP against medium DPM vs heavy HP).

forest heath Jun 18, 2020, 7:37 PM

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the armor on the predator UM definitely needs a buff as well as a penetration buff
Players have to deal with the atrocious lack of gun depression limiting already where they can go on the map, increasing the frontal armor from 130 to 150mm and increase the thickness of the front vision ports from 75 mm to 95mm and the penetration from 165mm to 173mm base AP also improve dispersion on the gun. I had to deal with missing 2 out of 3 shots missing completely from a stationary target. The fact that it sees tier VIII is criminal

orchid grove Jun 18, 2020, 8:26 PM

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You guys are looking at Kranvagn all wrong. The mistake y’all are making is comparing KRV to tanks like T57 or 50B. What you’re really missing is that KRV is more aptly compared to tanks like IS-4

And when you compare it to IS-4, the brokenness of KRV’s current stats is clear

KRV is faster, has more gun depression, accuracy, and the same pen, with an invincible turret, and on the last shell, it also has the same DPM. However, KRV also has the flexibility of having the autoreloader.

There’s literally no reason to ever play an IS-4 when you can play a KRV

nimble zodiac Jun 18, 2020, 9:27 PM

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yay

still jackal Jun 18, 2020, 10:34 PM

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wait it's autoreloader? that's weird

coarse harness Jun 18, 2020, 11:22 PM

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That 2200 dpm is actually over 3K if you start with a full clip burst
With that much frontal armor it should have paper sides like the 50B

drowsy plaza Jun 18, 2020, 11:26 PM

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It will be nerfed during testing

regal grove Jun 19, 2020, 12:13 AM

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not unless everyone throws and gets a 0 average damage in the kran during testing

flat bane Jun 19, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Kran looks really good ngl. I'll go down the line 100%. [Polish heavies are coming when?😭 😭]

thick rover Jun 19, 2020, 12:17 AM

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Wad r ur thoughts on a leo 1 aim time or dispersion on the move buff

marsh egret Jun 19, 2020, 12:26 AM

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I like it

flint skiff Jun 19, 2020, 1:30 AM

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give the T82 and the hetzer the old 105mm they had

drowsy idol Jun 19, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Give the tanks back

mental hemlock Jun 19, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Drop the KV-2 damage on secondary Cannon from 690 to 540 and decrease the Penetration from 110 to 75

karmic portal Jun 19, 2020, 3:39 AM

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@mental hemlock Why it already sucks. It didn’t even need its original nerf. I mean it’s not that hard to avoid getting hit by it. Like it’s dispersion is so bad and it’s so slow and it’s reload takes ages

mental hemlock Jun 19, 2020, 3:43 AM

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I get killed by the KV-2 and the Smasher more than any other tank I come up against, and that includes the Maus when I play Tier X, even includes the T92E1 too, the fact that a Tier VI tank like the KV-2 does 400-690 damage on average and can one shot light and medium tanks on Crits is obscene. It does the damage of the Sheridan, which is a Tier X tank, that and it's intense armour and constant protection from it's team because THEY KNOW it's overpowered, makes it extremely hard to combat, you basically have to be running a team of Leapord going in circles around them to kill it. I'd HARDLY say that's a fair tank. Especially not when it hits your M6 and does more than 75% of it's health. Leaving basically one-shot to any tank that comes along, if not then Two-Shot. It's like fighting a Darksouls Area 5 boss amongst a team of average Area 2 mob enemies. @karmic portal .

stiff edge Jun 19, 2020, 3:48 AM

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are you complaining about the kv2? You literally have to sit in front of it for at least 5 seconds before it can hit you. It just punishes mistakes, severely.

nimble zodiac Jun 19, 2020, 3:53 AM

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@mental hemlock and then it's welcome to get rushed and obliterated for 20 seconds

"Only the comp players use" Sir, comp players use higher tiers

Never said you weren't comp, it's just KV-2 isn't that hard to use, and it's needed for KV-3 unless fXP so many normal players use it

mental hemlock Jun 19, 2020, 3:53 AM

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They don't miss man, because it's a tank only the Comp players use. So no matter what, whenever you come up against one you're dead. There's nothing you can do about it because for some reason Randoms is decked full of Competetive players, and here I was thinking Ratings was for the Competetive players. But no, you reach V+ and everyone yells at you for being a casual player who just wants to have fun for once. So yes, I'm complaining, because it's an overpowered tank used by players who know how to absolutely abuse it. And I hate to go against it at all. I had to get the TOG II to even begin to combat it's obscene firepower. Not to mention if it sees you first and you don't see it, it can still hit you on the move anyway, so what's the point of even trying to fight it if you're not going to abuse the OP tanks?

I have High tier tanks dude, I'm no Comp player, I just like the high tier tanks because they look cool

I'm just saying debuff it by a little bit, so that it's not going to absolutely decide the fate of the Battle depending on the team it's on

It's basically an Arty with better armor. Point and click

OBJ, insults now? If I was joking you'd know.

karmic portal Jun 19, 2020, 3:56 AM

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@mental hemlock Oh I thought you were being serious lol. gg
Chicken he is clearly joking

nimble zodiac Jun 19, 2020, 4:04 AM

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Also even comp players don't hit every shot they fire in the KV-2 (when they ever play it) because of the inaccuracy the gun presents. Most hit more shots than one would expect because they make sure it's a very viable shot before firing, due to the 20+ second reload, making it count as much as RNG allows them. It's not overpowered, and tournament players prefer heavies like ARL 44, many teams spamming a good 3-5 of them in battle

flat bane Jun 19, 2020, 4:06 AM

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The STOCK NON-autoloading gun for the Foch 155 should have it's 640 alpha back. It will provide a competition between the two guns.

karmic portal Jun 19, 2020, 4:11 AM

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@nimble zodiac dude he is clearly just messing around. I mean he made it obvious
@mental hemlock actually bro I see your point. The kv2 does need a nerf now that you mention it. You know what tank really needs a nerf though? They kv4. That tank has way too much frontal armor and is a beast sidescraping. It’s turret is also really strong so it can go hull down. It needs a nerf fast and they say that it’s gonna be buffed, so sad

mental hemlock Jun 19, 2020, 4:15 AM

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@karmic portal STFU, I may be casual but I'm not messing. I genuinely want to just have a fun time, and the fact that I come across a KV-2 in almost every game and always seem to die to it ruins my fun. It's not a fair tank when the player you're up against just wants to have fun, because you're punishing them for playing the game for fun and leaving it to players who are willing to abuse OP tanks or are comp players. You're killing them off before they get a chance to play or even mess around.

flat bane Jun 19, 2020, 4:17 AM

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Omg 😭 😭

nimble zodiac Jun 19, 2020, 4:20 AM

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Shouldn't... every tank you fight kill you for having fun? Because it seems like 'having fun' is defined as making mistakes here.

karmic portal Jun 19, 2020, 4:22 AM

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Chicken he is right, the kv2 does need a nerf. The idea that it can one shot tanks already makes it op. It’s pen should be severely reduced

@stiff edge haven’t you guys learned by now that when someone says something ridiculous they are trolling. I mean the idea that comp players play the kv2 is what pretty much confirms it.

stiff edge Jun 19, 2020, 4:24 AM

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literally everything is bad about the tank except the alpha and maybe the hp pool
its like the 183, except it has potential to one shot tanks
but is much, much more inaccurate
if theyre trolling then ok
and yes it is quite ridiculous
no clue why someone would find making people type a couple of sentences amusing

mental hemlock Jun 19, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Will you both shut it, I'm not here to troll I'm genuinely having a bad time against the KV-2

Dude I'm not trolling, and I don't have time to "get good" I have a job that tanks more than 60 hours a week from me.

karmic portal Jun 19, 2020, 4:36 AM

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@mental hemlock Bro if you are gonna troll at least make it funny. No one wants to hear an annoying troll. And if you aren’t well then get good. Play the kv2 and see for yourself how much it sucks. If you are driving a light or medium tank just either bait its shot or go around it. And if it shoots don’t be a coward and just rush it cause it has a 24 second reload.

You really the type of troll tries to takes up people’s time? Like if you gonna troll try to make others mad or something entertaining. Anyways I ain’t responding anymore cause you don’t even try to be funny.

drifting depot Jun 19, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Buddy just don't get in front of a kv2, problem solved.... Also get a grip and realize the kv2 doesn't have 690 alpha or whatever, it's 640.... Also the fact that you need to use something like a t37, Chaffee, type 64 and some really light things in order for a kv2 to reliable pen you frontally ffs

unique scaffold Jun 19, 2020, 5:29 AM

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When was LTTB armour nerfed?it doesnt have 150mm anymore ?

nimble zodiac Jun 19, 2020, 5:46 AM

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That was QUITE a while back

round bluff Jun 19, 2020, 6:05 AM

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Kv2 might not need a nerf, but there is no reason the smasher should be as potent and disgusting as it is.

orchid grove Jun 19, 2020, 6:45 AM

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Honestly, I don’t see how anyone can defend the KV-2 and especially the smasher. Sure KV-2 accuracy is bad, but did we all forget about the fact that A. It literally ONE SHOTS things, B. It has more DPM than many same tier meds while also having 4x the alpha and C. It has a turret

These 3 features combined make the tank inherently overpowered, even with bad accuracy, mobility and armor.

And even if it weren’t OP, there wouldn’t be any really issues with nerfing it to discourage derp spammers

unique scaffold Jun 19, 2020, 6:48 AM

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@orchid grove because its a crutch and god forbid anyone ever point it out to harm kv2 and smasher owners fragile egos and their incompetence

nimble zodiac Jun 19, 2020, 6:50 AM

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same

visual lance Jun 19, 2020, 8:00 AM

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T32 NEED Buff pen and buff traverse, slow and bad pen for heavy tank tier 8

winged barn Jun 19, 2020, 8:01 AM

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Congrats, you have ignored everything that makes the t32 amazing

drifting depot Jun 19, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Kv2 can only do something when actually hitting smh, 80% of the time you'll miss everything except for a single shot which most likely was he splash

winged barn Jun 19, 2020, 10:02 AM

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A good tactic that works with kv2s is meatshielding. I wait for some idiot to get shot by it, and only then do I peek it. If you are complaining about it being op, I have a feeling you are the type of player I use as a meatshield.

full token Jun 19, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Yes people at tier 6 must be very skilled

coarse dawn Jun 19, 2020, 10:53 AM

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I don't trust WG with the Kvgn, I feel they will overcook it

forest heath Jun 19, 2020, 10:57 AM

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the armor on the predator UM definitely needs a buff as well as a penetration buff
Players have to deal with the atrocious lack of gun depression limiting already where they can go on the map, increasing the frontal armor from 130 to 150mm and increase the thickness of the front vision ports from 75 mm to 95mm and the penetration from 165mm to 173mm base AP also improve dispersion on the gun. I had to deal with missing 2 out of 3 shots missing completely from a stationary target. The fact that it sees tier VIII is criminal

atomic hound Jun 19, 2020, 11:11 AM

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Buff the t-2020 if you actually want to sell it. It has no armour whatsoever, the turret is paper, the front is paper, it doesn't have spaced sides like every other russian heavy so those are paper too. It's also slow, and the gun is bad (as usual for this type of tank)

Just buff it...

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How can you justify armour as shockingly bad as this on a tank with less mobility than the is5, but the same gun.

📎 Screenshot_2020-06-19-12-20-11-167_com.dreamfarmgames.wot.armorinspector.android2.jpg 📎 Screenshot_2020-06-19-12-20-31-833_com.dreamfarmgames.wot.armorinspector.android2.jpg

full token Jun 19, 2020, 11:24 AM

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Didn’t WG say they took the IS5 and improved it or something? This looks worse

atomic hound Jun 19, 2020, 11:40 AM

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It has nothing good about it, it's just awful

red topaz Jun 19, 2020, 12:24 PM

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I reccomend not getting the t2020 it's a pile of hot garbage, has 0 armor on hull and turret

unique scaffold Jun 19, 2020, 12:29 PM

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Man i hope WG looses money on this shit
It's such a garbage tank
I'll better stick with IS-5 than with this "toned up" tank for the better

coarse harness Jun 19, 2020, 12:34 PM

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Nice
At least it should have some downsides as well

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red topaz Jun 19, 2020, 12:36 PM

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Here is a picture of the t-2020 just to try and make sure no one goes and wastes there money on it, trying to help out the community here, this was taken with me using the obj 252u and you can easily pen the turret and hull armor with standard ammunition

📎 Screenshot_20200619-074523_World_of_Tanks.jpg 📎 Screenshot_20200619-074218_World_of_Tanks.jpg

red topaz Jun 19, 2020, 12:57 PM

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If anyone thinks the price of the t-2020 is way too high or think the tank needs a buff, please respond to this with a thumbs up

coarse harness Jun 19, 2020, 1:03 PM

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If the price is too high just don't buy it🤨 💁‍♂️

crystal spoke Jun 19, 2020, 1:14 PM

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Tbh I really like its look but I'll wait till I can get it for 7k

atomic hound Jun 19, 2020, 1:44 PM

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All they need to do is massively buff the armour, then it will at least be usable, if still generic

dusky cedar Jun 19, 2020, 2:29 PM

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Something is wrong here.
This gun in cent I should be available for comet.
Same for the gun in cent 7/1 line should be available for cent I.

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final warren Jun 19, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Did WG say they were planning on buffing the is6

unique scaffold Jun 19, 2020, 2:36 PM

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the bulldog doesnt need a mobility buff tho

dense walrus Jun 19, 2020, 2:37 PM

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@final warren yes it will get an armor buff in the “near future”

nimble zodiac Jun 19, 2020, 6:19 PM

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I mean the tank is called T-2020, it has to be bad

unique scaffold Jun 19, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Lol

outer blade Jun 19, 2020, 6:31 PM

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@nimble zodiac damn guess it bad

nimble zodiac Jun 19, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Sorry @outer blade =(

Aside that, it really is kinda bad, the accuracy is tolerable, and the speed is very nice for a heavy, but the armor is only troll to HEAT-spammers, even then, pen when hitting the hull

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But it has nice RNG, and it bounces quite a lot when hulldown

atomic hound Jun 19, 2020, 7:35 PM

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@nimble zodiac the mobility is terrible when you compare it to the is5, which also has more armour.

And as soon as people all learn you can just pen straight through the middle of the turret, you won't bounce anything. At the moment it's new so people don't know how to deal with it yet.

nimble zodiac Jun 19, 2020, 7:37 PM

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You could wiggle though

dense walrus Jun 19, 2020, 7:40 PM

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That is just generic advice, not a strong point of the tank

drifting depot Jun 19, 2020, 8:12 PM

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I'm just gonna drop a nuke

Is4 is garbage

lone warren Jun 19, 2020, 8:21 PM

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If the Is4 is garbage, what do you consider to be a good tier ten heavy tank?

karmic portal Jun 19, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Vk72

nimble zodiac Jun 19, 2020, 8:45 PM

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T-2020 is a cool looking IS-3

Yes it is lacking speed and some armor vs IS-5 but at least it's gun dynamics, aiming time, and dispersion on movement is better

atomic hound Jun 19, 2020, 9:17 PM

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It's so fractional with the gun that it makes no difference. The armour is utterly junk and it's much slower. We are comparing a £50 tank to a £5 tank, let's not forget.

unique scaffold Jun 19, 2020, 9:22 PM

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In truth... Win8 has become a more important stat than WR now that winning depends on how many players you have to carry (nubs). I think WG needs to start posting player WIN8 as the ranking system

lone warren Jun 19, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Read pinned messages

shrewd spear Jun 19, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Buff the 252u its are currently the worst tank

karmic portal Jun 19, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Proof it needs a buff

@full token Wdym, I killed them all, I just got stuck which sucked

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full token Jun 19, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Yes I agree. The player in the picture needs a buff to avoid that

amber pike Jun 19, 2020, 10:42 PM

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sly mauve Jun 19, 2020, 10:51 PM

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nerf the t2020!

atomic hound Jun 19, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Dude it's awful, what are you on about@sly mauve

nimble zodiac Jun 19, 2020, 11:30 PM

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They probably bounced it once and went crazy

devout tapir Jun 19, 2020, 11:58 PM

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What about the new T-2020 tank? Would it be possible to receive an armour buff? At least the turret? I made a mistake believe that it will be a good tank - it has an ST-1 turret and characteristic of an IS-5. In reality is the worst premium tank..... that WOT video is so misleading .... word REFUND is in my mind..... DO NOT BUY THAT TANK !!!! At least not now ....

dense walrus Jun 20, 2020, 12:00 AM

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@devout tapir see my response in #vehicles-discussion

thick rover Jun 20, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Thoughts on whether Leo should get like gun depression or aim time or dispersion on the move or acceleration buff

brisk dirge Jun 20, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Please buff the obj 252 wg, it's lp should be buffed to 300mm, it's very weak compared to the is3

pastel cairn Jun 20, 2020, 4:12 AM

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With all the balance changes and new additions at tier 6, I think the Churchill GC would probably preform a little better if it had higher alpha damage maybe 300-350 instead of 250 but keep the reload the same, it would be more rewarding to the players who still own it.

bronze osprey Jun 20, 2020, 4:22 AM

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sooo is the hole buff 252u a joke or for real?

nimble zodiac Jun 20, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Def a joke

verbal thistle Jun 20, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Does anyone have IS-6 stats for update 7.1?
I wanna see the armour changes

dense walrus Jun 20, 2020, 4:31 AM

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Nothing yet, although 7.1 open test is supposedly beginning soon so there should be details soon

bronze osprey Jun 20, 2020, 5:22 AM

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@nimble zodiac k cause if people wanted it then they must be a masochist

karmic portal Jun 20, 2020, 5:23 AM

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What are you talking about. Ofc the 252u needs a buff

junior oriole Jun 20, 2020, 7:04 AM

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yea 252u need more armor, currently it cannot bounce the bl10 all the time yet, you know what while you are at it why not buff the speed of the tank, make it on par with a dracula because the tank is so slow, also buff the gun I think it will perform a little better in its tier with a 183 mm gun

bold wraith Jun 20, 2020, 8:09 AM

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Give the BDR and T1 a bigger lp. Make Excelsior have a weak lower plate and better sides. Make AT-2 front 152mm, and cupola 76mm. Make kv-1 front 90mm on up. Remove side behind track weak spots from Tiger P.

nimble zodiac Jun 20, 2020, 8:16 AM

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Nerf those two tier 5 heavies, but don't mess with the rest, maybe tick the KV-1 up a bit again, but that's it.

unique scaffold Jun 20, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Nerf T1 and BDR, maybe KV1 too but however the T1 and the BDR is just too op i know they are meant to be heavy tanks but i can penerate a tiger I with VK 30.01 D but i cant penerate a T1 heavy with hetzer?

lone warren Jun 20, 2020, 8:45 AM

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@pastel cairn Last thing CGC needs is another gun buff. It already has one of the best guns at tier 6

wet wharf Jun 20, 2020, 9:19 AM

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Make CGC have 1500 engine power and 60km/h top speed

bold wraith Jun 20, 2020, 11:30 AM

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AT-2 is the worst. the only weakspot is the hatch, and its really difficult to nail. Even a total braindead moron can survive for ages in it

drifting depot Jun 20, 2020, 11:34 AM

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Drive wheel on front, if he stops looking at you for juuuuust a little it's an autopen

pastel cairn Jun 20, 2020, 1:58 PM

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@lone warren I beg too differ

frail silo Jun 20, 2020, 2:12 PM

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Nerf T1 and BDR, maybe KV1 too but however the T1 and the BDR is just too op i know they are meant to be heavy tanks but i can penerate a tiger I with VK 30.01 D but i cant penerate a T1 heavy with hetzer?
@unique scaffold why would you nerf the kv1 again???

still jackal Jun 20, 2020, 2:14 PM

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its side armor was destroyed not too long ago. And why nerf BDR of all things?

unique scaffold Jun 20, 2020, 2:26 PM

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1: KV1 is hard to penerate with tier IV-V light and medium tanks.
2:BDR is just too op, the fact that if you see a BDR with a light tank/medium tank OR even heavy tank you cant penerate some certain sides especially the front is hard to.

still jackal Jun 20, 2020, 2:32 PM

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from when has the BDR had good frontal armor?

frail silo Jun 20, 2020, 2:54 PM

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@unique scaffold ??? That is a you problem
Also the kv-1 armor is supposed to be hard to penetrate not an easy pen
Infact anyone can go through the flat areas in the front so what is your point?

hearty steeple Jun 20, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Bdr is not as overcooked as t1. But it still has a lot of armour, except for tiny weakspots it is just as red as t1 to mediums frontally. It can still effectively sidescrape at around 30 degrees. All this with a hard hitting 90mm gun.

still jackal Jun 20, 2020, 3:58 PM

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wait when did it get buffed?

hearty steeple Jun 20, 2020, 3:59 PM

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One or two updates ago along with the second t1 buff

still jackal Jun 20, 2020, 4:16 PM

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I seem to have gotten out of touch

safe path Jun 20, 2020, 5:43 PM

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How do I paint my tank

jagged crescent Jun 20, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Mods

jagged crescent Jun 20, 2020, 7:51 PM

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i got tagged?

drifting depot Jun 20, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Erm he was just asking and he already got muted, totally fair mods

shadow topaz Jun 20, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Buff T-2020 turret

atomic hound Jun 20, 2020, 8:57 PM

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And the hull. It's so much worse than the is5 hull. Weaker front, no spaced armour on the side (so it's not troll at all, it's just weak), and a 15mm deck plate which means anyone who shoots your turret with HE does masses of splash damage. Fix this wg please

nocturne mauve Jun 20, 2020, 9:31 PM

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This cool ejecting shell mechanism needs to be added to other tanks, especially like the T-62A

karmic portal Jun 20, 2020, 9:31 PM

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They should give it a very high credit coefficient and not a buff in my opinion. Then it would be worth it. It should make like more credits than a Lowe

shadow topaz Jun 20, 2020, 9:32 PM

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@nocturne mauve that would be very unrealistic....then again that hasn't stopped WG before 🤔

full token Jun 20, 2020, 9:34 PM

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@drifting depot If it’s the ‘paint my tank’ guy, he sent that message in the #703192336691101707 channel as well. It’s a mute for sending messages there since it’s closed

winged barn Jun 20, 2020, 9:42 PM

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@shadow topaz the hatch on the back of the t62a turret is for ejecting shells

shadow topaz Jun 20, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Oh, did not know that lol, Cheers

drifting depot Jun 20, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Well bruh but no need to ping smh

flat bane Jun 20, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Give the original 155mm stats and alpha back to the stock non-autoloading gun of the Foch 155

orchid grove Jun 20, 2020, 9:47 PM

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^

full token Jun 20, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Sry I do pings because I don’t feel that just the message would make it clear who it is intended for

rotund skiff Jun 20, 2020, 9:58 PM

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The t-2020 is incredibly underpowered, And putting a price of 50$ is very unrealistic. It needs a complete armor overhaul. The pike-nose is practically ineffective against tds. How to fix the tank: make it a medium or armor buff. Give the thing some speed and a lower caliber and you got a t-22 medium at tier 8.

winged barn Jun 20, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Lol

drifting depot Jun 20, 2020, 10:58 PM

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I'd say 15-20 bucks are enough for that tank, but we all know any new tanks are gonna be 50 bucks anyway.... at least high enough tier ones

atomic hound Jun 20, 2020, 11:13 PM

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@rotund skiff never mind TDs, most of the tanks at tier 8 can pen it with standard rounds, even some meds and the new British light

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nimble zodiac Jun 20, 2020, 11:18 PM

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I mean, making the turret stronger is the only thing it'll need to get in a good spot in tier 8, like leaving only the cupolas as weakspots, not to mention it isn't really the ST-I turret, let alone the very nerfed armor if it was

atomic hound Jun 20, 2020, 11:49 PM

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The is5 already has a great turret, but is also faster and has a much stronger hull all round. If this tank is to be slower, it should have more armour.@nimble zodiac

nimble zodiac Jun 20, 2020, 11:53 PM

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That's... what I'm asking for...

drifting depot Jun 20, 2020, 11:59 PM

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Well at least let's praise wargaming for not releasing another broken premium among us

jagged crescent Jun 21, 2020, 12:06 AM

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That’s new

nocturne mauve Jun 21, 2020, 12:07 AM

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WG probably won’t ever buff it

unique storm Jun 21, 2020, 2:25 AM

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The T54E1 needs an armor buff, even the Vickers Light a light tank has more armor | I would agree but the hull is butter and the T54E1’s turret is only troll

pastel cairn Jun 21, 2020, 2:27 AM

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I disagree with that statement you must wiggle the tank (T54E1) to make the armor work but it’s still effective as is

shadow topaz Jun 21, 2020, 3:23 AM

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Well...i mean....its a autoloading medium tank....not exactly the tank to rely on armor

nimble zodiac Jun 21, 2020, 3:24 AM

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Except T26E4

unique storm Jun 21, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Yeah it just sucks that I have a 15 second reload but I have no armor to protect myself with

gleaming apexBOT Jun 21, 2020, 4:06 AM

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dynoSuccess HackersRCowards#5562 has been warned.

cursive quarry Jun 21, 2020, 4:29 AM

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@unique storm ever heard of the T49?

pastel cairn Jun 21, 2020, 5:44 AM

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The Churchill GC would preform a little better in battle if it had a slightly improved traverse rate

drifting depot Jun 21, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Just like every turretless td cough e100 and jag e100 engine buff when? 1200 just won't cut it.....

orchid grove Jun 21, 2020, 7:43 AM

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@unique storm Pretty much all autoloaders pay for the luxury of an autoloader by having no armor

drifting depot Jun 21, 2020, 8:47 AM

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Or accuracy, or shell velocity, or speed, or 2 mixed into one tank, or all mixed into one tank smh🤝

crimson spade Jun 21, 2020, 9:07 AM

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Pls remove Sheridan my balls is broken

static thicket Jun 21, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Bruh jg e100 is great as is

Thats every turretless td

drifting depot Jun 21, 2020, 9:11 AM

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as long as you don't get circled by the average brainlet rushing you

unique scaffold Jun 21, 2020, 9:45 AM

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plz buff a little bit VK90.01P side armor, it is too much difficult to bounce shot, we need to oversize to make Medium ap bounce...

drifting depot Jun 21, 2020, 9:54 AM

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Godzilla had a stroke trying to read that

unique scaffold Jun 21, 2020, 9:56 AM

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@drifting depot try to speak french and we will see... It is not easy to speak english

trail wolf Jun 21, 2020, 10:04 AM

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Excuse me, but why does the kranvagn get 9 degrees of gun depression!?

drifting depot Jun 21, 2020, 10:14 AM

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Why does this guy ping me to say something weird 🤝

Also, bAlAncInG PuRpOsEs

drifting depot Jun 21, 2020, 10:43 AM

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j'aime les hamburgers

long sand Jun 21, 2020, 11:20 AM

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I have some suggestions for the game:
1: a good buff to pen on the comet since the pen seems underwhelming to me. Sure I can do a good job in the ways of damage with it but I feel like I struggle more than I should with pen. I literally can’t pen the upper hull of a p43 term with it
2: more measures toward command spamming cuz if I see someone spamming help one more time, I will not be as merciful in chat than K have been. And it’s not like they spam it because they genuinely need help, they spam it to get people to follow them and it drives me insane. I thought give the help command a longer recharge than other commands or make there be a limit to how many times you can use it tin a time and then lock up the commands for a short while like you do with command spammers.
These are just suggestions and you don’t have to buff the comet’s pen but, please, sort out help spammers

acoustic shard Jun 21, 2020, 12:09 PM

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Buff the Kpf Dpm to 2500, and buff it gun depression to -8

last trellis Jun 21, 2020, 12:10 PM

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🤣

tulip imp Jun 21, 2020, 12:35 PM

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Allow 1 Vehicle Restoration Ticket per 3 months or just double the credit/gold value a sold vehicle has to re-buy it. 1 year imo just to reclaim 1 sold tank is pretty long.

crystal spoke Jun 21, 2020, 12:37 PM

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They got rid of that months ago @tulip imp you can now restore as many as you want

iron lynx Jun 21, 2020, 1:08 PM

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I find the Comet's penetration quite sufficient against the tanks I meet, so I doubt the Comet needs a pen buff.

drifting depot Jun 21, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Well it's mounting a 17 pounder not the proper one tho, but yeah the comet has the mobility to circle around tanks and work with its current pen values

unique storm Jun 21, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Why does the Brits call them pounders instead of centimeters or millimeters @thick rover lmao

thick rover Jun 21, 2020, 2:13 PM

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Quarter pounder

iron lynx Jun 21, 2020, 2:14 PM

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I think it's because back then they refer them according to the weight of the projectile they fired.

atomic ferry Jun 21, 2020, 4:26 PM

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hi this slow mode is for everyone or just me?

full token Jun 21, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Everyone has it. Only the Moderators dont, as they have special permissions that mean they don’t have it

coarse harness Jun 21, 2020, 5:05 PM

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The Brits do everything different

drifting depot Jun 21, 2020, 5:05 PM

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They are the inventors of the tank anyway

static thicket Jun 21, 2020, 5:13 PM

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^ debatable

torpid scaffold Jun 21, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I think they should buff the ap on jp E100 to 700-1000 cuz low rolls come do hard

full token Jun 21, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Well it’s just rng, more bad luck really.

round bluff Jun 21, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Lol comet pen is hilarious. Zoom into sniper mode while aiming at the front of a tiger, and its 100% red. Panther 1 ftw.

coarse harness Jun 21, 2020, 5:37 PM

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T8 is filled with heavies so T7 meds have a hard time in bottom tier especially after the heavy HP buff

plush perch Jun 21, 2020, 5:42 PM

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@long sand comet has very high speed of reloading for and it has good penetration and speed

compact nymph Jun 21, 2020, 5:52 PM

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« good penetration » not really. I agree with the mobility and reload being good. But not the pen. 148mm at T7 isn’t what I’d call good.

distant dew Jun 21, 2020, 5:53 PM

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‘Decent’

plush perch Jun 21, 2020, 6:12 PM

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@compact nymph then use calibrated shells, it would wreck other tanks if it had any more pen

round bluff Jun 21, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Comet is just panther but sad. Comets not so fast once you realize the top speed is only 52km/h

compact nymph Jun 21, 2020, 6:40 PM

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^ A Panther with less armor and 50mm less pen

full token Jun 21, 2020, 6:41 PM

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More depression

unique storm Jun 21, 2020, 6:42 PM

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T54E1 is fast until you realize it’s top speed is only 50 kpm

coarse harness Jun 21, 2020, 6:42 PM

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More dpm, better acceleration

round bluff Jun 21, 2020, 7:06 PM

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I’ll take the panthers upper plate and laser accuracy + pen over the comet’s gun depression any day

lavish cargo Jun 21, 2020, 7:25 PM

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So question. How much is the is6's armor getting buffed in 7.1? I want to have an idea so i dont buy an underpowered tank that stays underpowered.

sly mauve Jun 21, 2020, 7:36 PM

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its not underpowered. Its just average

full token Jun 21, 2020, 7:36 PM

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Nobody knows. WG only mentioned the buff, nothing specific

crystal spoke Jun 21, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Even prebuff it's still a good tank especially if used against lights and meds with the dpm gun

nimble zodiac Jun 21, 2020, 7:44 PM

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I treat IS-6 like a soldier destined to die in battle, a cost expended in order to win, a lot like other russian heavies. It's not outstanding, and I'm definitely for an armor buff, I hope it's not too crazy or useless of one

sly mauve Jun 21, 2020, 8:03 PM

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It might become op after a buff tho...

unique scaffold Jun 21, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Buff the emil

compact nymph Jun 21, 2020, 8:54 PM

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It needs a top speed buff at least. 26 is laughable

unique scaffold Jun 21, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Or more Armor, this tank is so bad even if it has à monstruous gun

civic valley Jun 21, 2020, 9:11 PM

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No, it definitely needs a speed buff

nimble zodiac Jun 21, 2020, 9:11 PM

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The engine is for tanks like UE 57 😂

rare topaz Jun 22, 2020, 12:07 AM

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Tiger 131 needs some MAJOR changes. I mean, its a literal tiger tank, why is it tier 6? The armor is paper. The upper plate on a regular tiger 1 is impenetrable while the one on this is paper, the reload time is also worse being at 7 whole seconds while I think the regular tigers is about 6 or less. WHY IS IT A TIER 6?!?!?! It should be a tier 7 collector version of the tiger. IT NEEDS SOME MAJOR CHANGES WARGAMING!!!!!!!!

unique scaffold Jun 22, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Kuro mori mine is a thing

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^^ and it was ez to get from event

rare topaz Jun 22, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Honestly you guys at wargaming did a really crappy job of replicating an iconic historical vehicle and I'm very upset about it. For those of you who don't know Tiger 131 was an actual tank that exists in real life today and if you went to the bovington tank museum in the U.K. you would be able to visit it. I'm very upset about the crappy job wargaming did of putting it in-game. It was MUCH more powerful in real life than it is in-game, honestly the armor is a joke and I want it buffed.

distant dew Jun 22, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Damn someone is salty

unique scaffold Jun 22, 2020, 12:24 AM

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You do know it actually faces the tanks it was supposed to face ingame unlike the tier 7 tiger 1? and btw they didn’t attempt to replicate its history by balance and they still did it its a tank for you to collect not use kuro mori mine exists for that reason and everyone knows tiger 131s history your not special

rare topaz Jun 22, 2020, 12:29 AM

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I still think Tiger 131 could use an armor and reload buff tho.

winged barn Jun 22, 2020, 12:35 AM

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And a serious mobility nerf while they are at it
You know... if they wanted it "historical"

distant dew Jun 22, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Lmaoo

rare topaz Jun 22, 2020, 12:39 AM

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For real. Tiger 131 needs buffs. I have it and it is seriously underpowered. Every other heavy tank has better armor and reload speed. It at least needs to be on even playing field with other tier 6 heavies. Although @unique scaffold makes a good point about it facing historically accurate opponents.

nocturne mauve Jun 22, 2020, 12:52 AM

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It looks nothing like the real one

orchid grove Jun 22, 2020, 1:47 AM

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@rare topaz The thing is that Tiger 131 has the historical armor/armament setup, but it’s facing upgunned and uparmored tanks at closer ranges, like how the tier V M4 Sherman has the 76mm main gun

vale sun Jun 22, 2020, 2:13 AM

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T-2020 sucks. If you bought it, and you're sad, then research before you buy.
There are already so many premium tier 8 heavies, of course some of them are going to be irrelevant (cough vk 168)

jagged crescent Jun 22, 2020, 2:32 AM

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You play WoT for the arcade fun
not because you want a history lesson

pastel cairn Jun 22, 2020, 2:56 AM

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^

distant dew Jun 22, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Wotb has some fun battles but historically accurate....notsomuch

odd sandal Jun 22, 2020, 3:40 AM

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I mean it has very side scrapable sides, and a decentish gun. And unlike the arl it has a decently strong turret (sort of?). Because the highlighting shows the mantlet as pennable, lots of average-low skilled players shoot it when in actuality it's not exactly pennable. I mean the fact ur complaining about the armor just sounds like ur driving out into the open expecting bounces rather than sidescraping and using hulldown cover. @rare topaz. The reload buff is meh, it's suppose to be there sort of to just absorb hits not exactly be a damage dealing heavy

dense plover Jun 22, 2020, 9:03 AM

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@rare topaz Tiger 131? Bad? I’d say go deal with it, the tank already has a magnificent gun for its tier along with bearable armor, We slightly older players had to go through a 100mm tier 7 tiger 1 that got penned by anything, ow you’re crying for a tier 6, deal with it, 100mm is enough to angle with, its gun is good for 7 seconds of reload with a higher alpha of 200, the tier 5 kv has the same alpha but has a slower reload by almost 3 seconds, its mobility is still good aswell, the tank is not the best but its still good.

nimble zodiac Jun 22, 2020, 9:09 AM

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ARL 44 will love fighting it ;)

coarse harness Jun 22, 2020, 9:24 AM

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ARL 44 is a T6 Tiger II

unique scaffold Jun 22, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Balance? Hmmm talent show

nimble zodiac Jun 22, 2020, 10:05 AM

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At least ARL has a decently weak turret and track weakspots

unique scaffold Jun 22, 2020, 12:41 PM

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You play WoT for the arcade fun
not because you want a history lesson
@jagged crescent historical lessons are in War Thunder. Or for extreme historical lesson, craft a time machine and Go back to WWII onwards

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buff kv1 a bit

tame beacon Jun 22, 2020, 2:22 PM

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pls nerf T1 Heavy. it is just to OP

plush perch Jun 22, 2020, 2:46 PM

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It is not OP.....It is BROKEN

hearty steeple Jun 22, 2020, 2:47 PM

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While we are at it nerf bdr as well. It is nearly as broken as t1

hearty steeple Jun 22, 2020, 3:17 PM

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Bdr still has way too much armour for a tier 5.

latent snow Jun 22, 2020, 3:18 PM

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dude just shoot through its tracks, easy peasy pen

plush perch Jun 22, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Dude you need to aim fully for that tracks and if your shell doesn’t have good pen it is still not pen

hearty steeple Jun 22, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Even the t1 heavy can be penned frontally in the lowerplate, and through the drivewheel. Doesn't stop it from being absolutely broken because of the armour elsewhere.

unique scaffold Jun 22, 2020, 3:54 PM

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t1 heavy>every heavy tank in V

drifting depot Jun 22, 2020, 3:56 PM

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^ just too broken and too spammable, so many rerolls with like 5k games in a t1 heavy out of 6k games bragging about their higher win rate, it's annoying

winged barn Jun 22, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Had my first post buff bdr encounter in the p43ann yesterday. That armor scares me.

drifting depot Jun 22, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Almost completely unpennable turret, just like the t1 heavy ah yes

winged barn Jun 22, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Me: loads gold for a tier 5 while driving a tier 6
stays red

drifting depot Jun 22, 2020, 4:31 PM

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^🤝

stoic quest Jun 23, 2020, 1:38 AM

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I hated the tech tree P43 bis, but the anniversary is a whole lot of fun. Dunno what the difference is...

distant dew Jun 23, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Armor

jagged crescent Jun 23, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Faster

still jackal Jun 23, 2020, 6:57 AM

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it's got p43 ter mobility on a p43 bis chassis

nocturne mauve Jun 23, 2020, 1:05 PM

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It’s a P43 Ter chassis, the wheels

solid elm Jun 23, 2020, 1:41 PM

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I am pretty sure this is not the place to mention this but i voiced my request at #vehicles-discussion...I wasnt sure if there were any devs there.
@devs can I get some sort of compensation for this...I mean this is just sitting there and doing nothing and most probably will not do anything in the future. it’s not doing me any good either. My username in wot blitz is CAPTAIN_REX_501st_

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nocturne mauve Jun 23, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Make the 183 premium HESH do less damage and give it some armour or something

fiery dagger Jun 23, 2020, 2:20 PM

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No

full token Jun 23, 2020, 2:21 PM

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@solid elm They’ve had offers in the past that allow you to get the remaining parts to get the tank. That probably costs lesser than the tank, so allows you to get a discount and also get rid of these parts

solid elm Jun 23, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Oh I wasnt aware

distant dew Jun 23, 2020, 2:35 PM

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What if you already have the tank tho
I got the action X from a crate and I’ve still got like 7 parts for the certificate

tulip imp Jun 23, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Rework the HE shells on the vk leo because its useless other than giving out free CH medals to enemy team

regal grove Jun 23, 2020, 3:17 PM

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@distant dew if u already have the tank if u somehow get it again youll get credits as compensation

lavish cargo Jun 23, 2020, 3:55 PM

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I am posting my daily #GiveKranvagn12 protest message. Kranvagn deserves 12 degrees of gun depression, not a whimpy 9.

hidden fox Jun 23, 2020, 3:56 PM

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I really don’t care so i’m going to shut up

regal grove Jun 23, 2020, 4:04 PM

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imagine calling out the kranvagn's stats when technically it's not even in the game yet

nimble zodiac Jun 23, 2020, 4:13 PM

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It’s already crazy good lookin

drowsy idol Jun 23, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Wdym kranvagn has around 380 mm of turret thickness and an impenetrable hull

dense walrus Jun 23, 2020, 4:22 PM

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290mm is impenetrable now?

drifting depot Jun 23, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Smh my hand, not like every heavy is meant to bounce off the upper plate without angling unless it's a 215b an is4 or something like that

nimble zodiac Jun 23, 2020, 4:36 PM

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@drifting depot lol IS-7, literally meant not to angle. Also Kran can just look upwards to hide the top weakspots

round bluff Jun 23, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Chop the e4's copula off and give badger 15 degrees of gun arc to each side

atomic hound Jun 23, 2020, 5:01 PM

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@dense walrus it's autobounce on the flat, so all AP and APCR will bounce unless you're able to shoot down on it

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dense walrus Jun 23, 2020, 5:02 PM

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@atomic hound fair enough. I don’t have that pen mode (free version of armorinspector) so looked pretty deceiving just seeing the armor layout

gleaming arch Jun 23, 2020, 6:45 PM

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T-2020 sucks. If you bought it, and you're sad, then research before you buy.
There are already so many premium tier 8 heavies, of course some of them are going to be irrelevant (cough vk 168)
Just ST-I first turret with spaced-armor, IS-5 hull (in worse), and the same gun as IS-6 (Just the name changes, not the stats. D-30A => IS-6. D-30B => T-2020). They sell dream but the only good point of the tank : The reload animation. Only that. ONLY. So, I agree with you, T-2020 sucks

nimble zodiac Jun 23, 2020, 8:32 PM

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And the accuracy, also it’s not even designed like ST-I, it’s more rounded, though the rest appear quite similar, speaking of the turret anyways

I know it’s the stock turret, but the front isn’t as much the same, let alone the decreased armor

winged barn Jun 23, 2020, 8:34 PM

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It's the stock turret of the st1

gleaming arch Jun 23, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Yep.

compact nymph Jun 23, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Isn’t it a weakened stock ST-1 turret? from what I see the T-2020 has 140mm on the cheeks and 100mm on the rest of the front, while the ST-1 has 170mm over the whole turret front with it’s stock turret

harsh oriole Jun 23, 2020, 8:44 PM

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can 183 get a small gun handling buff :< . That thing is just a fat target for people to shoot with a gambling addicted player driving it.

nimble zodiac Jun 23, 2020, 8:46 PM

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I think 183 is accurate enough for its caliber. These are very similar, but T-2020 could at least be 170 on the front, it just doesn’t work, why can’t the cupolas be the weakspots?

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compact nymph Jun 23, 2020, 8:50 PM

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@harsh oriole the 183 doesn’t need any buffs @drifting depot the best change you can bring for the 183, yeah. Despite the fact it’s so bad and so many people ask for it to be buffed, it remains the 5th most played tank over the past 90 days. If it had to get any form of buff, T10 would be even more spammed with 183s, making gameplay a lot more campy/passive/overall boring. So yeah, either keep it as a dead weight/free dmg (depends on the team) or remove it.

drifting depot Jun 23, 2020, 8:53 PM

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remove it

round bluff Jun 23, 2020, 9:14 PM

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replace w badger

full token Jun 23, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Badger could’ve replaced it and been a good fit

thick rover Jun 24, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Indeed, rip

round bluff Jun 24, 2020, 12:53 AM

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I bought the badger for gold, but won't mind if they made the badger researchable and removed the 183. It just means I got the badger without having to grind through the brit tds.

nocturne mauve Jun 24, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Yeah, badger should’ve been tech tree

jagged crescent Jun 24, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Was the Blitz 183 added before the Badger got added to Wot PC?

unique scaffold Jun 24, 2020, 2:56 AM

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What

shrewd spear Jun 24, 2020, 3:08 AM

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I’d say buff the Kran’s dpm slightly it’s dpm is the worst in its tier and it needs a buff

unreal kettle Jun 24, 2020, 3:27 AM

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The fv 183 needs a buff, u get spotted so fast and u die so fast due to the new lights, u cant even be in a bush when there is a vickers 300 m away from u without getting spotted

unique scaffold Jun 24, 2020, 4:08 AM

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Any buff to the 183 will make it op, and in the current state it is meh. Not a good tank to drive but there is no way to balance it. It doesn’t need camo to not be spotted so then u just get derped for 1.3k

proud halo Jun 24, 2020, 5:01 AM

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Yes lets not buff the e3 its perfect” slow, low hp, weak compoler, great gun. Why take the compoler off of the e5 and patton but not the e4? Or just buff it a little...

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round bluff Jun 24, 2020, 6:00 AM

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E4 is just a e100 with better pen and medium tank armor

sweet prism Jun 24, 2020, 6:45 AM

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only almost 1k hp diffrence

bold wraith Jun 24, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Make vk4502 a ufp stronger, it is easy pen even angled. And make turret face 220mm or something. Then, make the tiger ii lfp an actual weak spot, and the cupola.

compact nymph Jun 24, 2020, 7:51 AM

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I hadn’t any problems with the VK 45.02 A’s armor. The best buff you can give to the tank is to teach the players it’s a heavium and must be played accordingly.

compact nymph Jun 24, 2020, 10:03 AM

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I fear the purpose of this channel is to discuss vehicles balance, not to rant about the matchmaking.

lone warren Jun 24, 2020, 11:39 AM

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Pinned messages

dusky cedar Jun 24, 2020, 12:02 PM

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Grille needs on the move/ stationary camo buff, why is it hard to understand?

neon linden Jun 24, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Why are removed tanks being buffed? Unless of course, they are being brought back?? @lusty silo

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stiff edge Jun 24, 2020, 2:08 PM

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bruh what
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nocturne mauve Jun 24, 2020, 2:17 PM

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Send me link

neon linden Jun 24, 2020, 2:18 PM

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https://blitzhangar.com/en/update/7-1-preview

7.1 preview

All changes from 7.1 Open Test game client, compared to previous release.

buoyant timber Jun 24, 2020, 2:22 PM

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Anyone able to do a complete comparison on 7.1 vs 5.5

nocturne mauve Jun 24, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Seriously? IS-6 frontal armour only buffed by 10mm

compact nymph Jun 24, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Yes😂 and the turret will remain as weak

sweet prism Jun 24, 2020, 2:40 PM

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And that is enough to make u aim to pen hull in most tanks

nimble zodiac Jun 24, 2020, 4:19 PM

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You know the Luchs was sad when it’s gonna get the DPM almost doubled 😂

crisp elm Jun 24, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Is6 needs a turret buff

compact nymph Jun 24, 2020, 4:41 PM

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it doesn’t seem to be getting one though

storm hatch Jun 24, 2020, 4:44 PM

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10mm is plenty

nimble zodiac Jun 24, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Haha, normalization go scooty scooty, assuming the angle fired on isn’t more than 63 degrees, it won’t be much more effective than 210mm unless it exposes the side frontal plates more. 10mm does next to nothing. I’d be fine with it being 130mm, leaving the hatch as a weakspot and the lower glacis plate as another. It won’t turn into 252U

autumn zodiac Jun 24, 2020, 5:08 PM

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T-15 no longer has Meme tier APCR

scarlet fjord Jun 24, 2020, 5:26 PM

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IS-6 10mm of armor only? Wargaming please open your eyes it has a worthless gun at least make its armor competitive its mobility isnt that impressive either please for the love of god buff the hull sides and front by more and touch the turret a little bit even

nocturne mauve Jun 24, 2020, 5:26 PM

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And what’s even more fair is that IS-6 gets a slower reload for the exact same gun, and it’s not like the others, it doesn’t have troll sides, no strong turret or strong hull

winged barn Jun 24, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Why are you using the high pen gun anyway? Use the dpm gun+rammer

compact nymph Jun 24, 2020, 5:28 PM

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dpm gun + rammer makes it fun in T9 battles

storm hatch Jun 24, 2020, 5:47 PM

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130 would make its frontal glacis broken, go to blitz Hangar and do the math. I do agree on a turret buff though @nimble zodiac

formal vale Jun 24, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Can we please just get 5° of gun depression on the WZ-120 please? I feel that it's long overdue at this point, especially since the WZ-121 received 6° not too long ago.

compact nymph Jun 24, 2020, 6:27 PM

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While we’re at it, give the Stürer Emil at least a 34 kmph top speed. 26 is just not enough and although the gun and gun depression are excellent, it remains frustrating to race at the same speed as a Maus, without the armor.

round bluff Jun 24, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Sturer emil is in the same tier as smasher

dusky cedar Jun 24, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Fv201 bounces more shot than centurion I, cent I is so under performing do something about it

full token Jun 24, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Is it? I think it’s quite a decent tank already. The FV301 also has HEable armor on the sides and front though turret is bouncy at times. Cent isn’t really HEable from front and sides and I’d rely more on the Cent turret than FV301.

nocturne mauve Jun 24, 2020, 7:01 PM

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No point playing cent when there’s an OP mk1 defender

crystal spoke Jun 24, 2020, 7:02 PM

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I mean ones free to it has that advantage

formal vale Jun 24, 2020, 7:03 PM

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It's funny how the Centurion I is regarded for having an amazing gun, yet WG introduces a light tank with the exact same gun that can go 65kph (Cent only goes 40kph) and has light tank camo. It's just absurd.

winged barn Jun 24, 2020, 7:03 PM

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balance

dense walrus Jun 24, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Fv actually has a better gun 😬

round bluff Jun 24, 2020, 7:05 PM

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If the only advantage the Cent has over fv301 is better side armor, cent is clearly outdated

coarse harness Jun 24, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Cent needs better top speed
45 km/h would be fine but still not great so the tank wouldn't be OP for sure

formal vale Jun 24, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Honestly just buff the top speed to 50kph and increase the turret armor so it's equal to the Defender's armor.

dusky cedar Jun 24, 2020, 7:18 PM

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It’s needs front upper plate armor, literally can’t even go hull down without talking shot on hull and better dpm.
It has worst dpm than caenarvan.

Thxs man that was so helpful.

dense walrus Jun 24, 2020, 7:19 PM

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I don’t think you understand what hull down is.
@dusky cedar the act of going hull down means hiding your hull. If you are hull down and still get penned through your hull you are doing something wrong.

plush perch Jun 24, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I don’t think he knows the English well

lucid jetty Jun 24, 2020, 8:02 PM

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DPM buff for the second gun on SP I C? Only the top gun buffed now according to the blitzhangers.

dense walrus Jun 24, 2020, 8:03 PM

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It is happening

lucid jetty Jun 24, 2020, 8:19 PM

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What is the point of buffing the deleted tanks?

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dense walrus Jun 24, 2020, 8:20 PM

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It shares a gun with another buffed tank

lucid jetty Jun 24, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Which tank also uses 37mm Browning Semiautomatic Gun? Cannot find it.

buoyant timber Jun 24, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Maybe all those tank will be coming back! That’s a thought.

dense walrus Jun 24, 2020, 8:51 PM

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@lucid jetty good point, I can’t find that either. Positive said it earlier and I was too lazy to validate it

nimble zodiac Jun 24, 2020, 9:30 PM

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@storm hatch uhh, math says it would make the upper plate around 245mm against AP shells

nocturne mauve Jun 24, 2020, 9:38 PM

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How much against APCR

nimble zodiac Jun 24, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Around 268mm, with the 130mm plate I’m suggesting, and this is the area around the hatch, the angle is from the IS-6 looking straight at the viewpoint, +0/-0 degrees

nocturne mauve Jun 24, 2020, 10:48 PM

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50 hp/ton? Wtf

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warped condor Jun 24, 2020, 10:57 PM

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Hey WG what would it take to make the T67 competitive again. Y'all have nerfed this thing way too hard. It has less HP than a AMX ELC bis, the gun is incredibly inaccurate, and it has basically no armor. I get that it is a collector's tank but it used to be in the tech tree and it was far better than what it is now.

buoyant timber Jun 24, 2020, 10:58 PM

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It will be in 7.1

warped condor Jun 24, 2020, 11:08 PM

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Ok I see that now on Blitz hangar. Is there a chance that its health will be bumped up too (maybe in the next update, if not this one)? Currently, it is sitting at 583 with Improved Assembly which is really low. How are we supposed to play this tank as a front line td if it doesn't have enough hp to make it to the front line?

regal grove Jun 24, 2020, 11:19 PM

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atm WG doesn't care at all about collector tanks, especially lower tier ones. You were given the chance to play it and obtain it, and they won't touch it unless it's a blanket change or they're planning on selling it again.

warped condor Jun 24, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Ok that is understandable. Thanks for the explanation.

nocturne mauve Jun 25, 2020, 1:48 AM

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Why does Mk1 defender have 76mm plates of spaced armour

quiet anchor Jun 25, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Buff Maus Pen for APCR

coarse sinew Jun 25, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Lol Is7 has 303 and maus has 311 without calibrated shells

quiet anchor Jun 25, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Maus needs buffed speed, armor, and pen for all shells

untold scarab Jun 25, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Maus needs autoreloader

coarse sinew Jun 25, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Maus needs jet engine, wet sock fetish lol I remember u ur name kinda stands out

jagged crescent Jun 25, 2020, 3:26 AM

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Maus need 50 degree traverse speed

nimble zodiac Jun 25, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Maus needs

lunar niche Jun 25, 2020, 3:34 AM

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All Maus needs is 65 km top speed and nothing else.

empty glacier Jun 25, 2020, 3:45 AM

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@warped condor I agree. The t67 needs a buff I’ve played since the game was released and it was so good before the nerf that it didn’t deserve

mild imp Jun 25, 2020, 4:16 AM

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Slow down the reload animation for the T-2020. Give it the actual ST-I turret armor. With slowing down the reload animation also convert it into either two or three shot autoreloader.

nocturne mauve Jun 25, 2020, 5:10 AM

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They should make the reload animation happen 2s after firing

clever musk Jun 25, 2020, 5:13 AM

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WG, better don't touch BT-7 art., please

unique storm Jun 25, 2020, 5:20 AM

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Why did you bring it up then? You silly goose

nimble zodiac Jun 25, 2020, 5:22 AM

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That’s it, ChaNGE ThE aP sHEllS

unique scaffold Jun 25, 2020, 6:36 AM

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I miss the T67, I remember playing it a lot on my old account

gleaming apexBOT Jun 25, 2020, 7:13 AM

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dynoSuccess christopher yuri#0985 was banned

pearl spade Jun 25, 2020, 7:19 AM

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The hammer strikes again

zealous holly Jun 25, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Hi, have you tricks for leopard pta?

tribal osprey Jun 25, 2020, 9:59 AM

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Maus needs dual 183 mm guns

urban owl Jun 25, 2020, 10:39 AM

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183 literally needs it's armor back
atleast make it's front hull armor 152mm again, side armor is 100mm, and the front turret armor 210mm, to compensate for it's seriously annoying inaccuracy, so it can go frontline and resist some medium caliber tank shells. It sucks in 11/10 of battles.

unique scaffold Jun 25, 2020, 11:03 AM

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183 is perfect where it's at

urban owl Jun 25, 2020, 11:06 AM

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nope, it's far from being perfect where it's at. Light years away.

unique scaffold Jun 25, 2020, 11:08 AM

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There needs to be a worse tank in each category. I think the 183 is the perfect tank for that spot.

compact nymph Jun 25, 2020, 11:09 AM

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^ also, remember it's the 5th most played tank. Any kind of buff would make it be even more spammed at T10, therefore rendering battles more boring and campy

dusky cedar Jun 25, 2020, 11:12 AM

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Thxs for buffing kv4 now more people will go for broken is4

urban owl Jun 25, 2020, 11:21 AM

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mate, i don't even see anymore much 183s at this point. 1-2/10 battles there would be a 183 to appear. Being on top 5 most played doesn't matter because it was because of the game before the nerf update on 183. Now it isn't even close to 1/4 of numbers of 183 appearing in battles compared to before. Top 5 on most played tanks, maybe, but it is 100% surely on Top 5 worst tanks to play.

EDIT: maybe the combined number of battles in every server, but in Asia, i rarely see it. Don't get me wrong, but that's my experience in playing the 183, and seeing 183s in my server, which is Asia.

distant river Jun 25, 2020, 11:24 AM

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@urban owl It's 5th most played in the last 90 days🤦‍♀️

Your memory is definitely not perfect, and everyone's experience is different. It is the 5th most played tank, the stats do not lie

lone warren Jun 25, 2020, 11:29 AM

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The days of when every tier ten game had 4 Death Stars

compact nymph Jun 25, 2020, 11:31 AM

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Even if it's the worst T10, it remains the 5th most played tank over the past 90 days as started above. Just play your 183 as it is now, or sell it before playing better and funnier tanks.
Edit: for the second time, no. Any form of buff would make the tank even more popular/overplayed than it already is.

urban owl Jun 25, 2020, 11:31 AM

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Fine, i'll admit that i'm wrong in that point, but it doesn't change the fact that the tank does need some buffs to atleast compete with Tank Destroyers, and i believe no memory is perfect. I know there are people with Photographic memories, but it's not a perfect thing either.

EDIT: and no, i don't want to sell my 183 to just play a better and funnier tank, i don't want to grind 6 million credits to just buy it again when i want to.

EDIT 2: not even the Gun handling? i literally missed 2 shots of HESH in less than 150 meters, with the tank being so a clear shot, not even moving, and i literally waited for my dispersion circle to get smaller. I wasn't even moving at that point. Shell just went off above the cupola when i was targeting the lower turret part of the 4202, and for the second shot it was the AMX 30 being in 100 meters range and it was moving a little bit to wiggle off, and the shot just went off above the front armor.

To make things worse, it happens to me in 3.5/5 shots in 10 battles.

lone warren Jun 25, 2020, 11:40 AM

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I say this every time the buff death star conversation comes up. With the alpha it packs, the tank will always be a balancing issue. It will either be too strong, like it was before it’s accuracy and camo got nerfed, or too weak - a state it is in right now. I prefer the latter and not have deathstar spam all over again.
Relative to the Caliber of the gun, the accuracy is actually not bad at all, but it was far too good in the past and we don’t need that nerf reverted. It shouldn’t be very reliable to be able to knock off 1000+ HP from a target.

thick rover Jun 25, 2020, 11:42 AM

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Buffing 183 doesn't mean that it won't be worst tank any more @_@

urban owl Jun 25, 2020, 11:43 AM

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Gun handling, not the dispersion, and kindly explain to me why i only dealt 756 damage to the Sheridan, with AP ofc. I didn't say revert it back to what it was before, but it's basically so sh*t i would prefer getting a tier 7 premium tank rather than playing it 10 times in a row. Improving it's Gun handling will make it atleast be somewhat more useful into the battle.

distant river Jun 25, 2020, 11:43 AM

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What it really wants is absolutely awful shell velocity if WG refuse to remove it's HESH, then maybe a small camo and armour buff

compact nymph Jun 25, 2020, 11:46 AM

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The 183 brings campy and extremely slow paced battles, as no one wants to take the risk of eating 1300 dmg in a single hit. I already on average meet 2-4 of them in battle. I don’t need to see more of them. The tank does it’s job perfectly, which is to be a dead weight/free dmg pool (depending on the team). The best buff it can receive is to be removed from the game.

lone warren Jun 25, 2020, 11:54 AM

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It would have been nice to see the badger replace the deathstar, but obviously they decided not to go that route

urban owl Jun 25, 2020, 11:55 AM

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Then there would be almost twice the number of idiots rushing in to the enemy base and die instantly. That's the purpose of the 183, to let the enemy team know to be more careful, and take one for the team to kill it. It's Teamwork, but that rarely exists in battles now. If it's not Gun handling you want to be improved, then atleast buff it's damned camo. There's always a heavy that will take the AP for you, or HESH if the 183 player decides to use one. It's just that people are too cowardly to take a hit from a 183 and too dumb to survive after getting shot by it.

compact nymph Jun 25, 2020, 11:59 AM

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Really? Does that mean you are not afraid/you enjoy taking a hit from a 183? In any medium/light or TD, a single AP from the 183 will take away a half of your hit points, not going to mention the HESH. You want it’s camo buffed? Sure, now when it will clap a tank for up to 1600 dmg, it won’t get spotted and his opponents will be unable to shoot back. Horribly wrong idea. Just play a jageroo if you are that addicted to high alpha guns, or pretty much any other tank since they will all be better.

urban owl Jun 25, 2020, 12:05 PM

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Then what's the point of adding it into the game? If you want it removed, then what will happen to the players who own it? and Yes, i'm not afraid to take a hit from 183, that said, when i'm only using a heavy tank. If you are careful enough on playing a medium tank when there's an enemy 183, then you can try and distract it and let other people target it while it shot you and missed/bounced, or carefully hide and spot it from bushes to bushes. I never had any problems in killing tanks with good camo when i'm using a medium tank, because i'm not an idiot who wholeheartly exposes my tank.
I'm no masochist either.

I'll take the point if it's camo was made better, then be more careful. That's what i always do. I'm not careless. I always check my ground if it's clear to engage or not.

Thing is, more than 60% of people aren't careful, and then getting free hit by TDs, then complain afterwards. It's not the 183's fault it penetrated a clear shot. It's that people are afraid to take risks, or people who are very careless.

EDIT: At this point i didn't even play it since the update.

To correct what you're saying that i'm addicted to high alpha guns, no, and i didn't grind much at all. I used free exp that i kept to grind and then research it, and to collect it.

compact nymph Jun 25, 2020, 12:10 PM

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If the tank is so bad, then why are you playing it? there are plenty of better and funnier tanks. The Jageroo does it’s job better better anyways. Most 183 players must probably enjoy pain as they purposely grind one of the worse tech tree lines, filled with bad to mediocre tanks, in order to get the worst T10 in the game. If you are going through all that pain, then you probably are really addicted to high alpha guns and so on don’t even care about a tank being good or not.

wet wharf Jun 25, 2020, 12:57 PM

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All 183 players need to do in a tier 10 game is pen 2 to 3 AP shots and they would have had a good game

urban owl Jun 25, 2020, 1:24 PM

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yeah and i rarely get 3 shots off.

nocturne mauve Jun 25, 2020, 2:05 PM

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183’s premium HESH should do less damage than the standard HE

hollow ledge Jun 25, 2020, 2:06 PM

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Just like the 183 doesn’t need any more buffs, it definitely doesn’t need any more nerfs. The HESH is the one good thing about the tank

buoyant timber Jun 25, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Second that, imagine if we were pre nerf on the 183. It was everyone’s complaint. So why start that again. It’s fine as is.

unique scaffold Jun 25, 2020, 2:19 PM

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I can't speak for the 183, I don't have it, but I'm just reading through all these comments and it strikes me that as the game gets updated there are more complaints of this tank doesn't do this or that. Players do rarely play as a team and the tanks are designed to assist each other. On their own they lack certain features or abilities, I for one hardly make any money if any at all with the larger tier tanks any more. In fact I've stopped going for the larger tiers now as when the game gets updated you just lose more credits. As a balance discussion of how the matchmaking works I think sooty's magic wand is being used, as the last 20 fights I've just had shows that either your side wins massively or the other. There are no more close and well fought matches any more.

rapid mirage Jun 25, 2020, 2:23 PM

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183 used to be a useful tank. Then it got nerfed and now it basically is useless. No camo means that you get spotted from across the map. The bad traverse and mobility means it takes you forever to reposition. All in all it now is more often than not a liability. When it first was released I could easily do 5-6000dmg in a game. Now you struggle to get a single shot in. I simply do not use it anymore. WG seems to have changed something in the accuracy algorythms of tds, as most snapshots in tds now go wild. That plus the nerf makes 183 useless.

unique scaffold Jun 25, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Wg can u just buff only the missiles accracy agn?

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Jomo...that sounds just like my t10 foch

scarlet fjord Jun 25, 2020, 2:45 PM

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Wargaming IS-6 needs more than 10mm buff it has nothing going for it JUST for the love of god BUFF more

compact nymph Jun 25, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Tip: IS-5 is cheaper, just play it instead

scarlet fjord Jun 25, 2020, 3:33 PM

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IS-5s gun is even worse less gun depression and even longer aim time its arguably trash if we dont value them based on price

vast locust Jun 25, 2020, 3:38 PM

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IS5 is still better than T2020

warped atlas Jun 25, 2020, 3:51 PM

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I think the Vickers CR needs a damage nerf. The pen seems to be pretty good(Never used it but I've been hit by it a couple of times). I once got 501 damage from one shot by the Vickers and the reload speed is pretty fast , so.

round bluff Jun 25, 2020, 3:58 PM

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183 is at its best when its completely pointless and not fun to play 🙂

nimble zodiac Jun 25, 2020, 4:08 PM

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I jus love hitting dem juicy HESH shells, and that’s all I need to enjoy it

compact nymph Jun 25, 2020, 4:15 PM

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183 is at its best when its completely pointless and not fun to play 🙂
it makes it fun for the enemy team, why would you not enjoy free damage?

quiet anchor Jun 25, 2020, 4:26 PM

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There’s nothing wrong with it if you are facing one low health tier 9 that you can HESH and one shot, otherwise the moment you shoot, you have everyone shooting at you.

nocturne mauve Jun 25, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Even though how bad 183 is, it’s still unbalanced because you can cripple anything with 1 shot

The heavy buffs is another story, why did they give stupid amounts of HP to unneeded tanks, only some heavies were deserving of this buff, and VK 100 was 100% overbuffed because it has like 500 extra HP from before, meaning it has 2k HP in tier 8

hollow ledge Jun 25, 2020, 4:33 PM

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@nocturne mauve false. With recent buffs, you take about half the HP from a same tier heavy. Far from crippling

full token Jun 25, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Seeing a 183 makes me happy even though it’s because I know I’m going to bully that tank

hollow ledge Jun 25, 2020, 4:33 PM

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There are so soft and squishy

unique scaffold Jun 25, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Half your health is still pretty crippling...

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It changes the way that you'll play the entire rest of the match

lone warren Jun 25, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Losing that amount of HP normally leads you to playing a supporting role for your teammates as you are less able to make an aggressive play.

obsidian hearth Jun 25, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Can the standard B get a speed buff?

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Coming from the pantera with it being a really mobile tank, I got used to a certain playstyle that the standard B does not follow. If someone rushes me, I cannot run and often leads to a certain death for me. After 6 battles that all turned out losses, I realized that the standard is another playstyle I am not used to because I grinded a fast tank

distant river Jun 25, 2020, 5:57 PM

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@obsidian hearth Unless you are playing it stock which is a stupid thing to complain about you have 2hp/t difference which is very little, and the rest of it is amazing it needs a nerf fairly badly not a buff

frail silo Jun 25, 2020, 6:39 PM

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IS-5s gun is even worse less gun depression and even longer aim time its arguably trash if we dont value them based on price
@scarlet fjord nah it is not trash
It is a budget obj 252u
Literally
It is very good hulldown too and is quite mobile for a heavy
Perfect for bullying meds also the reload is good on it
Although i agree the accuracy is not great

unique scaffold Jun 25, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Pz b2 is unbalanced, horrible armor and pen, forcing me to go full prammo, when the dpm already suck

quiet anchor Jun 25, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Platoon anyone?

dusky cargo Jun 25, 2020, 7:11 PM

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pz b2 is only good for bullying lower tiers and noob meds, its completely useless against actual tier 4 heavies like matilda or b1

nimble zodiac Jun 25, 2020, 9:37 PM

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Well it can’t fight tier Vs if queued alone so

No seriously, it has preferential matchmaking

winged barn Jun 25, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Same with valentine 2

nimble zodiac Jun 25, 2020, 9:59 PM

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Is it because they have tier II guns?

winged barn Jun 25, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Trying to fight a tier 5 with one... that would be laughable

crystal spoke Jun 25, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Unless it was a crusader then it would have a chance at best

solid elm Jun 25, 2020, 11:41 PM

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@unique scaffold @abstract marsh Can you buff the is7 armour because 25/27 tier 10 tanks can penetrate the strongest part of its hull despite it being a heavy. Can you please buff it.

regal grove Jun 25, 2020, 11:42 PM

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why would you ping them 4head

unique scaffold Jun 25, 2020, 11:45 PM

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5head*

nimble zodiac Jun 25, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Forgot to mention with gold 😅

jagged crescent Jun 26, 2020, 1:45 AM

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You don’t angle the pike nose.
Gold turns a lot of things to butter anyways

vale sun Jun 26, 2020, 3:53 AM

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183 deserves to be bad. Derp tanks should not be viable, deal with it.

viral needle Jun 26, 2020, 5:21 AM

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all tanks should be viable

karmic portal Jun 26, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Kv2 shouldn’t have been nerfed, I am being serious on this. Only people who aren’t paying attention get one shotted by it and litterally every time you shoot Rng determines whether you hit or not. The tank cannot compete with tier 7 heavy tanks at all and struggles against tier 6 heavys as well. The kv2 was never op so there is no reason it’s he had to be nerfed. The only people who complained about it are those dumb enough to sit in front of it or aren’t paying attention

hearty steeple Jun 26, 2020, 5:48 AM

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one shotting tanks can never be balanced

lucid jetty Jun 26, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I expect a T2020 buff

karmic portal Jun 26, 2020, 5:59 AM

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@hearty steeple And why not? That’s like saying ammo racks can never be balanced. One shotting a tank in a kv2 and ammoracking someone is very similar, both are dependent on rng and some aiming.
And it’s not like one shotting tanks was that common anyways. And the kv2 doesn’t promote a camping play style like the fv183 did

round bluff Jun 26, 2020, 6:04 AM

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Ammo racking isnt balanced. I honestly don't know why its in the game. Yeah tanks in real life get ammo racked, but blitz isn't realistic. The only thing ammo racks contribute to blitz are random, complete shutdowns through no fault of the victim

unique scaffold Jun 26, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Kv2 shouldn’t have been nerfed
You already have no credibility with that username aswell

karmic portal Jun 26, 2020, 6:23 AM

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@unique scaffold Dude, my username is obviously a joke. You can’t handle sarcasm? Yeah I mess around sometimes but I ain’t doing that now. And why should it have been nerfed? Any real reason besides some people with no awareness complaining about it? Like it’s not that hard to avoid getting shot by it. I don’t think anyone considered the kv2 to be op, and having good he pen made the tank really fun.

I don’t play it. I just wished that it would be a bit better. Personally I almost never have gotten wrecked by a kv2 so I don’t really fear it when going against it. And some variability in the game is nice, no one wants every tank to have 310 alpha and be the same. I just think that the way it was was perfectly fine. I mean other than doing big he damage the kv2 has no point. Doing 640 with ap isn’t bad but it’s not the same

unique scaffold Jun 26, 2020, 6:27 AM

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The kv2 is the definition of a slot machine that was a crutch for players the ability to one shot everything within its tiers is already dumb enough and frankly imagine just getting your T5 and getting uptiered and then meeting a kv2 and getting wiped out instantly and don’t try to pull the “just be aware of it and you won’t get shot by it” you’ll get shot by it no matter what theres nothing redeemable of kv2 for it to be buffed or reversed and of course if the tank has garbage stats and accuracy then why play it? What’s so great about it?

compact nymph Jun 26, 2020, 7:26 AM

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What’s so great about it
Nothing but the alpha. If you want an IS-4, just research the KV-3 by playing the KV-1s. KV-2 is supposed to be a "fun" slot machine you play because it sometimes works and 1shots tanks. You don't play it because it's a good tank.

upper lodge Jun 26, 2020, 9:00 AM

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give CGC 200mm of frontal hull armor!

remote barn Jun 26, 2020, 10:24 AM

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Why don’t you crawl back to whatever micro-organism cesspool you came from, and try not to breath any of our oxygen on the way there

odd pendant Jun 26, 2020, 10:32 AM

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UMMM WHY IS THERE THE T1 CUNNINGHAM? @sharp sedge

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meager spruce Jun 26, 2020, 10:38 AM

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1st) tagging everyone doesn't work.
2nd) because why not

full token Jun 26, 2020, 10:42 AM

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Someone mentioned that these tanks share guns with other tanks that are being buffed

odd pendant Jun 26, 2020, 10:50 AM

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oh dqng .

upper lodge Jun 26, 2020, 10:54 AM

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T1 in store for 10€

tribal lodge Jun 26, 2020, 12:16 PM

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Please make anyting that destroyed-able a.k.a decoration on the map can go throught shells

solid elm Jun 26, 2020, 12:57 PM

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@developers But seriously the is7 NEEDS to be buffed many people agree. Its pretty much trash rn. It NEEDS to be buffed. You HAVE to buff the armour. 25/27 tier x tanks have no problem penetrating it

stiff edge Jun 26, 2020, 12:59 PM

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is7 is fine, grille needs a buff, and its getting one

compact nymph Jun 26, 2020, 1:02 PM

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The IS-7 just got a 450hp buff a couple months ago. Being a heavy doesn’t means you are going to bounce every single shell fired at your front just by sitting in the open. If you find the armor that bad anyways, why aren’t you playing the IS-4?

drowsy plaza Jun 26, 2020, 1:46 PM

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@compact nymph that explains why the IS-4 probably needs a nerf.

thick rover Jun 26, 2020, 1:58 PM

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Wai does the IS-4 need a nerf

compact nymph Jun 26, 2020, 1:58 PM

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The fact the IS-4 (weighing 60,8 tons) also gets more HP’s than the VK 72.01 K (a 122,4 tons superheavy). Seeing the current use (some might call it spam) of the IS-4 in tournaments, the fact it needed so much hp’s as a buff a couple months ago is debatable. Edit: the VK 100.01 P gets 2k hp’s but is a superheavy weighing a whole 120 tons, the mobility going along with it. It’s also got both a tall cupola and big/extremely weak lower plate. The IS-4’s lower plate is pretty tiny to be honest.

nocturne mauve Jun 26, 2020, 1:59 PM

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And why does VK 100, a tier 8 heavy have 2k HP?

karmic steeple Jun 26, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Is4 probably deserves a hp nerf

rocky frigate Jun 26, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Is4 needs penetration&armor nerf

olive sorrel Jun 26, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Maus needs armour nerf

plucky laurel Jun 26, 2020, 2:35 PM

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I think the IS-3 could use a bit attention and Buffs,its rather Weak in the Current Tier 8 META and its easier in my Experience to Brawl against an E-100 or Maus or other Tier 10s in the IS-3 than to try and Brawl against some other Tier 8s

nimble zodiac Jun 26, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Seriously? IS-3 is a hulldown god, any gun depression or accuracy buff would flip the whole dang tank

amber pivot Jun 26, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Is 7 should have more hit points that is 4 tbh

noble siren Jun 26, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Maus needs armour nerf
@olive sorrel Lmao sure

olive sorrel Jun 26, 2020, 3:23 PM

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@noble siren lmao

noble siren Jun 26, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Then give proper explanation and reasons why Maus should be nerf, and with what Maus is Over Performing the other tier 10 heavy tanks :))))) @olive sorrel

sinful cave Jun 26, 2020, 4:14 PM

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@plucky laurel you mean IS-6, the IS-3 can take on an IS-6 and IS-5’s in 1v1’s and win. Definitely doesn’t need to be buffed...
IS-6 even with its 10mm of armour buff in 7.1 still won’t be useful since 10mm is barely anything, wont really make a difference when attacking the tank

native bloom Jun 26, 2020, 4:50 PM

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121B should have more Armor on turet

pastel river Jun 26, 2020, 4:53 PM

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İs 7 needs an frontel armor buff or hitpoint buf

nimble zodiac Jun 26, 2020, 4:54 PM

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I’d be fine with a better gun

winged barn Jun 26, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Slap a 252u turret on the is6 and call it good

regal grove Jun 26, 2020, 5:32 PM

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give IS-7 slightly better accuracy or dpm, nothing big

pastel river Jun 26, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Yes thats work to

nimble zodiac Jun 26, 2020, 6:11 PM

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IS-7 needs something to keep people from rushing its position, cuz it holds solid until its team crumbles or the enemy team rushes over

small wharf Jun 26, 2020, 6:15 PM

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🇬🇧?

noble siren Jun 26, 2020, 6:38 PM

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still no answer lol\

small wharf Jun 26, 2020, 6:39 PM

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....

sick jackal Jun 26, 2020, 6:58 PM

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the T-2020 needs a buff it just isnt whatbit should be

noble siren Jun 26, 2020, 7:55 PM

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As people said it's reflection of this terrible year

nocturne mauve Jun 26, 2020, 8:16 PM

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And if wg aren’t buffing it, the year won’t become any better

cerulean sedge Jun 26, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Oh yea T-2020 is a downer. The Reload animation isn’t enough to redeem it. Just another weak 122 heavy

full token Jun 26, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Atleast they can still balance this tank, unlike the OP premiums they won’t nerf for whatever reasons they have

compact nymph Jun 26, 2020, 9:24 PM

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If an OP premium is released people will complain
If it's average they will still complain
If it's bad they still will complain anyways

noble siren Jun 26, 2020, 9:34 PM

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Is 5 is super balanced and no-one cries about it

full token Jun 26, 2020, 9:35 PM

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People don’t like the gun handling

nimble zodiac Jun 26, 2020, 9:41 PM

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Which is something T-2020 has

fair socket Jun 26, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Bring back the t1 light tank and the t82

dusky cedar Jun 26, 2020, 10:03 PM

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T28 is still a garbage, buff the armor from side and front and more hp than other tds.

Engine also easily catches fire.

It should be like even if it’s left behind, it should take a while to for enemies to take it out.

unique scaffold Jun 26, 2020, 11:07 PM

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Hi

ebon iris Jun 26, 2020, 11:10 PM

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The FV4202 needs to become a heavy tank.

The sloped frontal hull armour has 280mm of armour, as seen in blitzhanger's armour inspecter.

It's actual armour could be about 250-60mm though, still insane.

This gave me an idea how the FV4202 should get.a turret buff of 50 mm, but nerf the reload rate to 9 seconds, and limit the speed to 40 km. This would make the FV4202 a heavy medium that can't shoot often and has poor side armour. Pretty fun tank if mixed with hesh.

nocturne mauve Jun 26, 2020, 11:30 PM

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It should be given an action x turret

ebon iris Jun 26, 2020, 11:33 PM

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That would be hilarious

nimble zodiac Jun 26, 2020, 11:47 PM

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@fair socket T82 is still in the game, get it back for 50 gold...

main tulip Jun 27, 2020, 12:35 AM

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What do people hate more, ATGMs or the wheeled vehicles in PC

gleaming arch Jun 27, 2020, 12:37 AM

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ATGM.

olive sorrel Jun 27, 2020, 2:11 AM

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it has 3k HP lol, lower glacis that can't be penetrated by tier X meds and sometimes heavies, 128mm gun IIRC and height which can help it get to weakspots accessible by certain tanks more easily
lolllllololol

unique scaffold Jun 27, 2020, 2:31 AM

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remove ATGMs

olive sorrel Jun 27, 2020, 2:32 AM

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👍

gleaming arch Jun 27, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Yes

frail silo Jun 27, 2020, 2:45 AM

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@olive sorrel no
It is really slow and big
You can penetrate the cheeks and lfp easily with prammo
And its gun is very mediocre
Nobody is complaining about the maus it is fairly strong but not op at all

main tulip Jun 27, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Idk about you guys but I'd much rather face ATGM tanks than some tiny wheeled tank that goes 95 kp/h and can't be tracked

olive sorrel Jun 27, 2020, 3:27 AM

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then i don't see why IS4 is op either, it doesn't have that kind of big alpha gun and the lower glacis and upper glacis for some is also easily penetrable by prammo, it also doesn't have that kind of HP

frail silo Jun 27, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Fairly fast
And invincible turret
Good gun(better than maus)
Also it is not so darn slow
While for the maus you can cod that thing or out maneuver it easily
Also seriously dude 128mm is not so big 460hp avg role for maus and 420hp avg role for is4
Maus is not a problem against prammo btw
Anyway i don't actually think that is4 is broken @olive sorrel

jagged crescent Jun 27, 2020, 3:37 AM

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They're both good tanks.
The Maus is just an absolute wall, especially if u wriggle and angle.
The IS4 is that to a lesser extent but its more versatile.

frozen spear Jun 27, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Panzer 3/4 needs a buff.

nimble zodiac Jun 27, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Of course their armor isn't as good if you're a pramspammer

lament cape Jun 27, 2020, 8:18 AM

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stop they player with 40-49% on tier 8-10

noble siren Jun 27, 2020, 8:19 AM

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@olive sorrel Lmao it seems you need to spend more time in tier10...

urban owl Jun 27, 2020, 9:53 AM

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like people said, buff the IS-7. Either the Dpm, the gun accuracy, or Front Hull armor.

The Fv4202 however, is fine as it is. Though turning it into a heavy tank is not a bad idea, it is however not a good idea either. If you're turning it into a heavy tank, then it should have it's original gun, the same 120mm the FV215B has, with the HESH, then buff the turret armor up to 235mm with the Action X design, then reduce it's mobility having the turret traverse as 25 deg/sec, while the hull traverse is 30 deg/sec, and top speed is the typical 35 km/hr in British and US heavy tanks.

formal vale Jun 27, 2020, 10:06 AM

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I think the IS-7 could use some sort of penetration buff on its APCR rounds. 303mm is decent, but something like 315 to 320mm would be better. You could use calibrated shells, but that doesn't fix the issue imo. You shouldn't need calibrated shells to make something decent.

I do think the FV4202 could use a buff though. I just don't know where to buff it. My first instinct is to improve the turret armor, but that would almost just make it a better M48 Patton. IDK, after looking at the stats of the tank, it looks like it'd be pretty nice to drive. I think it comes down to the playerbase simply not playing the tank correctly.

urban owl Jun 27, 2020, 10:11 AM

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It's godly when you HESH other MTs and they penetrate. They would instantly back down. HESH damage also reach up to 510+, that's what makes it damn good.

The HESH also helps you survive. i have more than 70% survival rate on it for the past 30 days. Though only if you use it properly and effectively.

reef lintel Jun 27, 2020, 10:17 AM

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the is7 doesnt need a buff, it is a good tank, the fv also doesnt need a buff. @urban owl I have 527 games in it i think I know the tank. No offense but you seem like a bad player. The buffs you are talking about would make the is7 completely op. The lower plate is the weakspot so buffing that would be stupid, it has a high alpha for heavies so it cant have an accurate gun. Heavy tanks arent supposed to have good dpm and the pen if fine as it is.

distant river Jun 27, 2020, 10:20 AM

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The fv is great if you drive it right it just has an odd playstyle so most people suck in it. If it got buffed it would have way too high a skill cap. The IS7 is also fine, it's easy to play but difficult to play well in, but heavies really don't need any more buffs right now

urban owl Jun 27, 2020, 10:22 AM

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IS-7 does need a buff on either one of the following: Gun accuracy, Penetration/Damage per minute, or Lower plate buff. Do you even have it? or had atleast 200+ battles on it?

EDIT: can say the same i have already passed atleast 550+ battles on it.
EDIT 2: I never said that it wasn't a good tank to play, but nowadays it doesn't the job much like before everything else without hull down, plus i only included the suggestion of buffing the lower plate if everything else is denied, but it seems that you targeted that first.

distant river Jun 27, 2020, 10:31 AM

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Not 200+ battles but I'm pretty sure I've got the hang of it so far seeing as that's almost all solo and including grinding from 75% crew. It can do what you want in it if you use it right, if you try and use it like an IS4 then obviously it isn't going to work well. It has speed, alpha and decent armour especially against meds, buffing the gun just makes its unnecessarily better and buffing the lower plate makes it too good against meds. It's fine how it is.

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urban owl Jun 27, 2020, 10:33 AM

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How about buffing then the traverse speed of the hull/turret? That would seem like a better choice rather than the other suggestions i had placed here.

Even if it is a good tank when i said it myself, it only becomes really good when people doesn't know where to shoot and would rather shoot other tanks that are available in their sight, or when RNG loves you in that tank. The traverse overall i feel is kind of lacking for a monstrous semi electric engine for a 69 ton tank, but the top speed is great.

A penetration buff would seem like the best choice here. to atleast 330mm with calibrated shells equipment.

reef lintel Jun 27, 2020, 10:33 AM

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If you say it is a good tank then why are you suggesting a buff. That does not make sense to me. All of the tier 10 heavy except the vk72 are very good at the moment. I targeted the lower plate first because its the worst suggestion of them all. No, dont buff it at all, it is a good tank like you said yourself

thick rover Jun 27, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Imo IS7 could benefit from minor armour buff OR drivewheel improvement, idk the specifics tho OR gun handling and DPM minor buff?

FV4202 change could be
I) replace with cent ax and you please both camps...good turret, and it won't be op with good hull armour
II) Leave it as it is, it's current state is fine...only thing is the non Hesh gun is kinda useless, other tanks will be able to perform better

slate compass Jun 27, 2020, 11:16 AM

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If we have Avatars, now even having profile backgrounds...
How about "Custom Quick Commands" ?
What I mean by it is If we could have more Quick Commands that we could swap out from the "NORMAL" ones, I have some suggestions for the optional quick commands:
"Charge"
"Retreat/Fall Back"
"Battle Cry" (Well based of the Nation the tank is from)
"Take Cover"
"Nice/Good One" (The Affirmative is already used in this way so... maybe we don't need this one)

iron lynx Jun 27, 2020, 11:19 AM

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I'd like the old "Reloading. X seconds left," to be added back too.

gleaming arch Jun 27, 2020, 12:32 PM

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then i don't see why IS4 is op either, it doesn't have that kind of big alpha gun and the lower glacis and upper glacis for some is also easily penetrable by prammo, it also doesn't have that kind of HP
IS-4 has IS-7 hp with the HP Boost (IS-7 : 2650 with HP boost) . It has the IS-8 great gun, with great accuracy, good alpha and HEAT, wich is rare to found on Russian Tanks. IS-4 armor is very good, and he's pretty mobile for It's weight

tranquil knot Jun 27, 2020, 1:16 PM

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i give up last few days ive had tanks shoot me through buildings, through tanks. throught the ground

weary shore Jun 27, 2020, 2:09 PM

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I was on a match the game just ignored my shot and I died

unique scaffold Jun 27, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Buff At 15 armor to make it at least a little competitive

coarse harness Jun 27, 2020, 2:36 PM

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They buffed the AT-8 and AT-7 so yeah
They should make the line enjoyable when your reward in the end is a pile of crap

gleaming arch Jun 27, 2020, 2:59 PM

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They buffed the AT-8 and AT-7 so yeah
They should make the line enjoyable when your reward in the end is a pile of crap
I played this line, this is PURE crap. Slow, only good reload, worse in everything except Reload

nocturne mauve Jun 27, 2020, 3:17 PM

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I love those

gleaming arch Jun 27, 2020, 3:18 PM

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If they could deal more damages, It'll be... Amazing, and OP

coarse harness Jun 27, 2020, 3:25 PM

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I played this line, this is PURE crap. Slow, only good reload, worse in everything except Reload
Not crap but pretty mediocre

hushed fox Jun 27, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Did you guys catch in the stream yesterday Alexandra said an M48 buff is coming in 7.1

gleaming arch Jun 27, 2020, 3:29 PM

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M48 ? What is this? Did she said that IS-6 will get a buff ?

Edit : IS-6 has good armor. He needs more pen and less dispersion

nocturne mauve Jun 27, 2020, 3:34 PM

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IS-6’s buff is nothing

quick lichen Jun 27, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Is6 needs gun handling help. Not armor

coarse harness Jun 27, 2020, 3:36 PM

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IS-6 and good armor has nothing to do with each other atm lol

It's armor is only usable agains T7s and ≈175mm pen T8s
That 10mm buff is not much, +20mm would be okay imo

quick lichen Jun 27, 2020, 3:37 PM

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It’s okay armor wise

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The gun is the issue to me

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Use the dpm gun, and you have garbage pen

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Use the pen gun, and you have worse dpm than any other 400 alpha heavy in tier 8

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The accuracy and bloom isn’t great either

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The is5 is for sure better

gleaming arch Jun 27, 2020, 3:40 PM

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The gun is the issue to me
For me too. Garbage pen, It's like T49 pen. You can't even pen another IS-6 or EVEN an Tiger 1 front armor. DPM is not very good but it pass, and he SERIOUSLY need a Dispersion buff.

tulip tiger Jun 27, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Yo is anyone ever gonna do something about the AMX 13 90 and 75? Also T - 44 - 100 is very unpopular

coarse harness Jun 27, 2020, 3:47 PM

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13 75 is getting a mobility buff in 7.1

twilit crystal Jun 27, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Uh 10 mm is pretty big for the is6. That's more like 15 to 20 mm with actual effective armor

unique scaffold Jun 27, 2020, 5:16 PM

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the 13 75s that I've gone up against are too lucky for their own good I swear

frail silo Jun 27, 2020, 5:17 PM

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@twilit crystal ???? The tank still remains bad lol
And the armor didn't see much improvement either

twilit crystal Jun 27, 2020, 5:25 PM

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@frail silo did you look at meadsy's video? , He showed a T34 which has 250 AP Pen which is one of the most overkill tanks which is now no longer overkill. you will now easily bounce all the APCR IS tanks and most tanks with 200ish pen, I think perhaps they should increase the mantlet size to cover the right cheek of the tank but after that its fine.

round bluff Jun 27, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Anyone wanna talk about how the chimera is a straight upgrade of the t34-3? Same "big alpha medium" playstyle, but the chimera has gun depression and actual penetration.

nocturne mauve Jun 27, 2020, 5:51 PM

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WG and their new premiums smh

noble siren Jun 27, 2020, 5:56 PM

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It's not like freshly new made tank afterall @round bluff just a copy pasta + different stats

nimble zodiac Jun 27, 2020, 6:19 PM

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I don't care for an APCR buff for the IS-7, I barely use them, though I would like the mobility to stick out more

And LOL T34 will still drill through IS-6 after the buff

unique scaffold Jun 27, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Watching IS-7s and IS-8s being ammo racked is pure satisfaction

winged barn Jun 27, 2020, 6:30 PM

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I want to see the is6 lose a second on the reload of its dpm gun, and gain some shell capacity. Makes its playstyle really stand out for being unique

pine parcel Jun 27, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Buff st. Emils engine

mint oar Jun 27, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Chi ri needs more camo or faster engine

vale sun Jun 27, 2020, 6:41 PM

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is-7 is fine as it is in my opinion. Just because a tank isn't the best of the best doesn't mean it's a bad tank.

nimble zodiac Jun 27, 2020, 7:03 PM

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I love the IS-7 :P

regal grove Jun 27, 2020, 7:04 PM

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I love the is-7 too but still kinda underwhelming
Like haha is-7 go zooooom but then u turn and u hear the titanic behind u

formal vale Jun 27, 2020, 7:07 PM

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I've been considering using the speed boost consumable on my IS-7, but I worry that I'll need the repair kit at some key point in battle.

nocturne mauve Jun 27, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Well you do. It has lots of module problems, plus I don’t think engine boost is so useful for IS-7

mint oar Jun 27, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Chi ri needs camo or faster engine if not take the tank out of the tree

viscid pulsar Jun 27, 2020, 7:35 PM

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where do i post my drawing?

mint oar Jun 27, 2020, 7:37 PM

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I have to play chi ri like a td. It's only good at snipeing very far away. Remove this tank or fix it its broken. Might as well remove the Japanese meds this has me fed up

still jackal Jun 27, 2020, 8:07 PM

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I like chirey (that's how I call chi-ri). Just it's mega slow that's its only problem

compact nymph Jun 27, 2020, 8:32 PM

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I like the Chi-Ri. Gets good gun depression and dpm, slapping between 450-500dmg within 2 sec before disappearing again. Pretty accurate too, and mediocre to average mobility along with poor armor are known features of the Japanese mediums. The Chi-Ri remains my 2nd favourite in the line after the STB (a tank worth the grind).

round bluff Jun 27, 2020, 8:56 PM

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a maus could sidehug it though

fathom ingot Jun 27, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Why does the fv215b have such low HP its not the best dpm heavy anymore and armour is not the best ?

compact nymph Jun 27, 2020, 9:10 PM

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It’s still got the second highest dpm, laser accuracy, consumables, mobility and a good turret. The FV has been meta for a while and since a couple updates ago it can be good to see some changes. Having 200 less hp than most other heavies (given you don’t use the consumables) doesn’t means the tank is bad.

coarse harness Jun 27, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Chi-Ri could use a stronger engine tho
Looking at T7 meds
-It's huge and paper
-Has the worst prammo pen
-Worst top speed
-Worst p/w ratio
So in T8 battles you hardly pen or flank anything

fathom ingot Jun 27, 2020, 9:21 PM

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@compact nymph that sucks so other heavies get free more hp and fv has to pay in order to win ,hoping it might change one day

compact nymph Jun 27, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Why would you play T10 tech tree tanks to make credits anyways? T10 is far from that purpose really.

noble siren Jun 27, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Fv also fits pretty good in the hull down meta

winged barn Jun 27, 2020, 9:56 PM

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The 215b has the same hp pool at the conqueror. I find it funny the hp balancing path that the 215 has taken.
1 given provisions that increase hp
2 nerf base hp
3 slightly buff base hp nerf compared to other heavies

This tank was a case of "if it ain't broke, dont fix it"

jagged crescent Jun 27, 2020, 10:15 PM

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It’s back to being a 2nd line heavium 😔

Now it's back to IS4's and e5's

distant river Jun 27, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Funnily enough this is pretty much exactly the same thing as what everyone said would happen to it,but hey at least it got plenty of tournament spam out of it...

noble siren Jun 27, 2020, 11:27 PM

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The new brits may be the most balanced tanks WG made, the tier 8 one is lit by far

nocturne mauve Jun 28, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Awwww man you kidding me?

📎 video0.mov

nimble zodiac Jun 28, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Gotta love RNG

burnt prism Jun 28, 2020, 1:26 AM

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Atgms are still comlete cancer, got mines and tried doing something in my T57 heavy.
Thru the game an enemy sheridan spammed atgms over the hill, causing the team to loose.

nocturne mauve Jun 28, 2020, 1:28 AM

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Ofc they are
Reacting to the comment below
Why? The Sheridan runs too fast anyway... and that’s why I’d like to see ATGMs on a different tank type, because then it’d be less effective

wet hornet Jun 28, 2020, 1:28 AM

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I mean, you could just rush the Sheridan

round bluff Jun 28, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Thats throwing the game

meager spruce Jun 28, 2020, 1:36 AM

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@wet hornet I don't know in what world you live in but you can't rush a tank with an entire team behind it

regal grove Jun 28, 2020, 1:37 AM

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bruv its a joke

i hope

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 1:38 AM

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That dude has suggested so many unironic ideas in consumables he’s sad to read

burnt prism Jun 28, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Fyi in that match the sheridan had a 268, grill15, is4 and a t57 behind it...so yeah try to rush it I dare you. Instant deletion

wet hornet Jun 28, 2020, 2:02 AM

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Or just get close to the ridge where the sheridan is shooting, with the missile arc nerf it would hardly hit anything. @unique scaffold is satire ;-;

burnt prism Jun 28, 2020, 2:13 AM

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About the atgm, I think that the kpf.pz70 might be a tank that coukd utilize the missike wjthout it being broken, and maybe the hulldown american heavies (would have to implement that after shooting a missile your reload is increased maybe)
Also they would have a disadvantage of shooting the missile facing the turret to the back of the tank, as it woukd reveal their very weak parts

nocturne mauve Jun 28, 2020, 2:18 AM

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They should definitely give it to the KPF, and then the tank will be popular for once and I don’t think it’ll be OP if it has ATGMs

burnt prism Jun 28, 2020, 2:29 AM

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It has just bellow 15s reload with a dpm build, and not 10 gun depresion but 6. The armor is okay, but the weakspots are very big. Its also not even close to the speed of a light, or a med

nimble zodiac Jun 28, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Kpf has big weakspots? Ok

Last time I checked the turret was pretty solid

nocturne mauve Jun 28, 2020, 2:31 AM

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It does, the whole tank is a weakspot

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Stop trying to suggest ATGMs for the kpz 70 if you knew how the tank works you would know giving it ATGMs would further harm its performance even more stop it already

woeful kraken Jun 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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@unique scaffold Go look in #news-discussion

burnt prism Jun 28, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Tbh I'd rather have a better pen HEAT atgm, then the heat the kpf.pz70 has atm. That heat cant pen anything, and it struggles to pen the lower plate of is7s and e100s. Annoying enough that i have to switch to prammo to pen weakspots of t10s

sage geyser Jun 28, 2020, 3:27 AM

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i wish kpz either gets dmp buff or atgm

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 4:17 AM

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I believe there are huge gaps between the mobile and pc versions of the game i believe it would be a more memorable experience if you caught the mobile up with the pc version like adding wheeled tanks and spg's

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How about no

lunar niche Jun 28, 2020, 4:24 AM

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Kpz would be better with more gun depression

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 4:27 AM

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Sorry not spg's I was thinking bout another game but I think u get the idea

karmic portal Jun 28, 2020, 4:51 AM

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How about we don’t add any new things and just focus on keeping the game stable and running. I would rather much have the servers fixed and an actual tutorial than any new consumables or modifications to tanks

vale sun Jun 28, 2020, 4:57 AM

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kpf is fine tbh
What is the consensus on the new jagtiger? The armour seems very strong

nimble zodiac Jun 28, 2020, 5:09 AM

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@unique scaffold delete it, it's irrelevant

Also Jagd is really strong and I like how it fits

crystal halo Jun 28, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Better mm is so needed, tier 10 is hell because everyone there has no idea how to play the game

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 6:44 AM

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Can someone explain how matchmaker works, because in my eyes that thing has a breakdown atm, didnt even won 1 single match in my last hour i played. I always did top damage but our heavy’s dont know what their doing, our meds are camping like a TD, i have to play as a med in my 268 if we dont want to get flanked and i dont get a single soul of help

sage geyser Jun 28, 2020, 6:52 AM

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Either buff kpz 70 to 1000hp and 50kmh max speed. Or give it missiles

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 7:03 AM

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@crystal halo oh hey mste didnt know you were on this server

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 7:33 AM

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Better mm is so needed, tier 10 is hell because everyone there has no idea how to play the game
@crystal halo i have the same problem man, it sucks tier 10. I need to do 5K dmg to win

clear elk Jun 28, 2020, 8:54 AM

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I want 183mm in FV4005

compact nymph Jun 28, 2020, 8:57 AM

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The FV 4005 is fine as it is.

bold wraith Jun 28, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Nerf the god damn T1 heavy, I just lost to a god damn window licker because he was using that over powered as hell tank. Literally, what idiot gave it that much armour? It's a bloody tier 5 heavy. In what world does a tier 5 heavy get 140mm armour? This 44% winrate player just got 5 kills and 2k damage just because of being in that bloody tank. Jesus christ. Sorry for the rage.

unique scaffold Jun 28, 2020, 9:58 AM

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What does window licker mean im still trying to understand wotb insults

bold wraith Jun 28, 2020, 9:59 AM

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Not a WoTB insult. It's a general term which just means an idiot, noob, simpleton, moron, etc. Basically this guy had no idea what he was doing. Made no effective use of camo, cover, angling or anything. And he won and killed me with 2k damage and 5 kills, just because his tank has completely overpowered armour, and none of us could damage him.

rain grotto Jun 28, 2020, 10:10 AM

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#tank-balance-discussion hey Wargaming, loving the new update, but wow please please fix MM. Your thoughtfulness in putting seven ‘broken’ tanks against a rag tag team is getting a little tiresome, battle after battle after battle...

noble siren Jun 28, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Kpfz doesn't have armor LMAO

sleek vault Jun 28, 2020, 10:32 AM

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Man please for my sanity, give amx 13 75 gun elevation buff. I can't even hit something that really close because no elevation

peak mica Jun 28, 2020, 11:01 AM

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It's stupid that missiles can penetrate front armour of most heavy tanks.... you could change the ammo type give sheridan AP >>> APCR >>> HE missiles with low pen that can't penetrate heavy armoured tanks or just delete missiles at all... now because engine power is reduced more and more sheri tanks camping behind covers with missiles

distant river Jun 28, 2020, 11:16 AM

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@peak mica It's prammo. Prammo has high pen. Prammo can go through heavy tanks. What do you expect to happen???

remote barn Jun 28, 2020, 11:18 AM

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ya'll here talking about apcr and he missiles
but you missin the hellcat

peak mica Jun 28, 2020, 11:23 AM

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Even when i sidescraping trying to put my tank in optimal position them rockets pen me most of time so just change prammo to normal rounds so sheri can be balanced at tier 10 and be able to pen and make rockets 3rd kind of ammo with low pen like HE shells for example it wont be worth hitting from behind cover heavy tanks for 100 hp

noble siren Jun 28, 2020, 11:32 AM

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@peak mica bruh the ATGM can't pen the frontal armor of heavy tanks, it can only if u attack from high angle