#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 146

summer mist Nov 12, 2019, 8:19 PM

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@unique scaffold do you have at least something to say about those 2 tanks (opinion) ?

unique scaffold Nov 12, 2019, 8:20 PM

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T-22 seems slightly overcooked. 30b doesn't seem OP at all

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The only premium / collector tanks that I feel are honestly due for a Nerf at the WZ-120-OP and the Smasher.

sage geyser Nov 12, 2019, 8:24 PM

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In wz 120 1 g ft the FT stands for FakeTank

slim rivet Nov 12, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Guys I just reach tier 10 and there is a thing I must say : foch 155 needs a buff?

drifting depot Nov 12, 2019, 8:25 PM

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The Chinese tech tree is full of fake tanks kek

summer mist Nov 12, 2019, 8:29 PM

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@unique scaffold , sorry, i was talking about the Warhammer tanks

jade cargoBOT Nov 12, 2019, 9:26 PM

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dynoSuccess NMH01#5777 has been warned.

austere moat Nov 12, 2019, 9:27 PM

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I deserved that one. But I am seriously tired of people trolling with trying to buff foch

nimble zodiac Nov 12, 2019, 9:30 PM

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It was a question, perhaps prompting the illogical choice to protest another buff

nimble zodiac Nov 12, 2019, 10:28 PM

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This isn’t the channel to address matchmaking ._.

unique scaffold Nov 12, 2019, 11:07 PM

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@balmy nacelle complaining about MM isn't the purpose of this channel. Refer to the pinned messages please.

manic birch Nov 12, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Can you give the M4A3E2 the same degrees of gun depression as its tech tree counterpart? 12 degrees instead of 10.

austere moat Nov 12, 2019, 11:14 PM

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ehm no that tank is already stupidly strong as it is right now sir

crystal spoke Nov 12, 2019, 11:15 PM

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As much as I love the e2 it absolutely does not need a gd buff

stable dagger Nov 12, 2019, 11:44 PM

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Emil speed buff?

austere moat Nov 13, 2019, 1:07 AM

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Tank is fine as it is

stuck turret Nov 13, 2019, 2:29 AM

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430U

proper crag Nov 13, 2019, 2:43 AM

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Plz fix tiger 1 armor and it's capability

deep seal Nov 13, 2019, 3:06 AM

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if anything give it armour on tiger 1

odd sandal Nov 13, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Buff t44 122mm

austere moat Nov 13, 2019, 3:22 AM

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A) The Tiger 1 isn't supposed to be a beefy boi, it's support to be a second line support tank that shreds enemies, and play like a medium

B) Why the heck would you even WANT to play the T-44 122 mm? If anything, they should give it a better turret, to make it more of a brawl-able tank

Complain about the actually weak stuff, like the T28, or the Vk 45.02 A please 🙂

deep seal Nov 13, 2019, 3:25 AM

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t28 prot is a t28/t95 spg with a turret and the same 120mm gun what more do want, also thats why they made the t28 defender

unique scaffold Nov 13, 2019, 3:47 AM

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Its not balance but rather a suggestion. Can we please add the option to block incoming messages that contain words suck as noob, cancer, delete game, etc. There is no point of having to read these offensive messages in order to block the player. Just a suggestion. If it isn’t possible, then can we just have the option to disable chatting all together?

unique scaffold Nov 13, 2019, 4:20 AM

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I believe chat disable is already a thing. Unless you mean if they talk in DM. Adding an option to only allow friends to communicate through DMs should be a feature.

austere moat Nov 13, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Just don't let the idiots bother you. They tell you to uninstall, you tell them to shut up. Laugh at their stats. 99% of the time, it will be a toxic newbie that couldnt win the game and has to blame it on you

formal vale Nov 13, 2019, 4:31 AM

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@unique scaffold or just get good :p

unique scaffold Nov 13, 2019, 4:38 AM

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Hi there devs. I was wondering what server Russia should be on. I thought they would be on EU but it seems there's a lot on Asia. Is this a case of them choosing a server that allows them to exploit ping issues or am I just paranoid?

thick rover Nov 13, 2019, 4:46 AM

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How does one exploit ping issues

formal vale Nov 13, 2019, 4:49 AM

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@thick rover um dont?

thick rover Nov 13, 2019, 4:59 AM

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I mean what does he mean by exploiting ping issues @formal vale

unique scaffold Nov 13, 2019, 5:00 AM

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Lag exploits. Believe me it happens...

uncut osprey Nov 13, 2019, 5:25 AM

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Ive never heard of such sorcery

meager spruce Nov 13, 2019, 7:00 AM

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What I suggest for Leo 1 re-balancing is an increase of view range, and reduction to gun dispersion

formal vale Nov 13, 2019, 7:01 AM

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@unique scaffold I doubt that's happening tbh

coarse harness Nov 13, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Once all the players froze exept me for about 10-15 seconds
I recorded it too
But idk what and why was that🤷🏻‍♂️

gloomy dragon Nov 13, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Lag exploits... Explain plz? The only one exploited during my bad as heck connection is me.

meager spruce Nov 13, 2019, 7:11 AM

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Lag exploits can be a thing in some games (minecraft). Usually are done when the server starts overloading with information therefore resulting in major packet loss, bugs and lag. As far as I am aware in Blitz you aren't able to interact with the server such that it would start causing major packet loss.

austere moat Nov 13, 2019, 7:13 AM

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I hate to be the person to say this, but...
Nightmare needs some heavy nerfs. It's a bonkers pubstomper

formal vale Nov 13, 2019, 7:19 AM

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Yeah, maybe just nerf the reload and penetration values.

gloomy dragon Nov 13, 2019, 7:20 AM

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Speaking of that tank, i should run its first 100 games before it gets hit with the nerf bat.

austere moat Nov 13, 2019, 7:33 AM

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yeah. Because it's insane

unique scaffold Nov 13, 2019, 7:38 AM

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Just had a match where the enemy was on me within 5 secs of it starting. Explain that....

noble siren Nov 13, 2019, 8:03 AM

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Then what about if we give Leopard 1 better reverse speed and acceleration, because they can be very useful for experienced players

round sundial Nov 13, 2019, 8:29 AM

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Nightmare is a terrible tank, it has low HP and poor gun. I really don't know what yall see about it.

distant river Nov 13, 2019, 8:30 AM

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Alpha, decent enough speed as well as bouncy enough

hot sun Nov 13, 2019, 8:32 AM

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Armor is better than researchable StuG

round sundial Nov 13, 2019, 8:42 AM

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Well sure, it also has a far worse gun. And the armour is not that good, it's only good on the superstructure, the rest is pathetically weak.

You say the alpha is good, but that is literally the only thing good about the gun. It has trash pen, trash accuracy and trash shell speed.

formal vale Nov 13, 2019, 8:43 AM

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The gun is actually relatively accurate for a derp gun.

You can use supercharged shells to increase shell velocity

You get 10% better pen with calibrated shells

All in all, it comes down to knowing how to set up your tank. It's quite frankly a very strong tank.

orchid grove Nov 13, 2019, 9:02 AM

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@austere moat I’ve been telling people Nightmare is OP for so long lol.

hot sun Nov 13, 2019, 9:38 AM

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Nightmare is op, its pen is good enough for t5 and might struggle a bit at tier 6, but its absurd camo rating makes up for lack of pen (73% stationary with max camo crew skill) and can out trade any tank in its tier, even with its pramo (heck when I play it I use gun rammer XD, HEAT is really realiable as long as you dont hit tracks or spaced armor)

If you look at its armor profile, its 80mm all on its front unlike researchable stug, meaning it can brawl better, and with 73% camo rating you can roughly shoot 150 meters without getting spotted if you don't move lel. Plus not too mention, its HE can knock out well over 50% of hp on t5 tanks and well more for tier 4s

round sundial Nov 13, 2019, 9:46 AM

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You have listed some fair points @@hot sun , but I can't see how they make the tank any good still.

You do have a good cammo, but you can't really use it that well. The gun base accuracy is just trash, so you wouldnt hit much if you stayed far back enough that your camo would matter. And don't forget you have HEAT only, so quite slow velocity and it's stopped by tracks and map destroyable objects.

You do have a good alpha, but I can't think of a scenario that is not super rare where you would be able to trade. It's a TD, so coming out will almost always expose your weak hull, and you don't have enough HP to afford that

In conclusion, I believe it has some individual qualities, but they don't mix well together

hot sun Nov 13, 2019, 9:53 AM

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I suggest looking at armor inspector, or blitzhanger, the armor profile on the nightmare is insane, especially if you can get it hull down with full depression, or face hug small tonks

orchid grove Nov 13, 2019, 10:14 AM

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@round sundial Mobility, high DPM, alpha, high camo, and pretty decent frontal armor will always be a great combo
On top of that the gun handling is actually really good at .12/.12, the same as the standard StuG, so you can slap on refined gun and supercharge to compensate for the shell velocity and base dispersion; and calibrated shells helps a ton with the pen since it gets 2 HEAT shells

formal quiver Nov 13, 2019, 10:53 AM

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would the lowe ever get a gun increase of ap acpr and he or no ?

humble lintel Nov 13, 2019, 11:04 AM

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löwe is fine as it is right now, i dont see why it should need a buff

naive ibex Nov 13, 2019, 11:44 AM

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Look at the last statistics, heavies are most balanced, meds too but TDS? Theres COMPLETLY UNBALANCED, or players don't know how to play tds properly -_-

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humble lintel Nov 13, 2019, 11:58 AM

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the td's are heavily map depended, thats atleast my answer to why it looks like this

indigo knot Nov 13, 2019, 12:00 PM

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Tds depend on the map and also depend on some spotting by others unless you are in a Foch ...where you can spot for yourselves

The stats here should should be collected from 48% to 65% .....then the actual performance of the tanks can be compiled ......

round sundial Nov 13, 2019, 12:02 PM

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Actually, medium tanks are the second weakest tank type in the game after light tanks overall. You may argue that they have high skill ceiling and all, but overall, an average joe will do much better in a heavy tank or a TD. The only reason why the dev graphs look this way is because they pick only players of 55-65% overall winrate, so those are some of the best players in the game, which does boost the med stats significantly. However, I guarantee you that if you picked players from 46-50% WR (48% wr is the global average), meds would come out far worse than in this graph

grave bear Nov 13, 2019, 12:19 PM

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Stop saying "oMg Nightmare hAs TRaSH ArMor" Because if so, even is4 has trash armor cuz lower plate is paper, but we all know is not true
Even tier 6 tanks struggle to pen nightmare.

onyx crow Nov 13, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Did the t22 got nerfed ?

unique scaffold Nov 13, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Lol

indigo knot Nov 13, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Actually no....now player base has understood how to somewhat deal with its armour profile

lunar niche Nov 13, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Heavies and Tds are meant to be noob friendly. If WG balanced meds according to 48% players, they will be op in the hands of 55%+ players.

unique scaffold Nov 13, 2019, 2:24 PM

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I'm fine with that.

round sundial Nov 13, 2019, 2:36 PM

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So it's fine for meds to be UP in the hands of an average player? Well no wonder all we have now is TDs sitting in bushes and inhibiting all active play.. @lunar niche

lunar niche Nov 13, 2019, 2:40 PM

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@round sundial You can nerf/buff TDs and they will still be in bushes.

Mediums are harder to drive compared to Heavies. Do you want meds to just go forward and bounce everything? Or have higher alpha than heavies/tds or autoaim lolpen the front of heavies?

Just remove CS for heavies/Tds and those consumables that turns heavies into mediums.

indigo knot Nov 13, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Well I prefer dynamic game play not that everyone is just sitting in bushes not to get hit by some Waffle or Foch...
Blitz was supposed to have more dynamic gameplay after all they made maps smaller.....
And no meds won't be like 3.8 now even if they are buffed.....due to the Tds to balance them and premium ammo nerf

formal vale Nov 13, 2019, 4:10 PM

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@round sundial It really sounds like you're running the wrong equipment loadout on the Nightmare to me. Be sure to use Supercharged Shells and Calibrated Shells at least. The accuracy is also very nice considering it's a derp gun. I've had more than my fair share of snapshots hitting something when I least expected it. It kind of reminds me of the American medium tanks in that regard where you can get some really good snap shots. You also just need to understand when to change ammunition types. I often do find myself shooting premium ammunition because the standard pen is average at best (but with HEAT and not AP). I highly recommend giving the Nightmare another look because it really is a very powerful tank.

coarse harness Nov 13, 2019, 4:14 PM

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@lunar niche why would you use CS on heavys and TDs exept a few of them ?

round sundial Nov 13, 2019, 4:33 PM

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I'm not running anything on the Nightmare, I played 1 battle and solt it cuz it's a collectors tank.

austere moat Nov 13, 2019, 4:33 PM

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That was a mistake. I have a 90+% winrate over 20 battles lmao

lunar niche Nov 13, 2019, 4:42 PM

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@coarse harness More avg pen. The reload isn't that much long either.

formal vale Nov 13, 2019, 5:01 PM

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@round sundial so why are you saying it's not good if you just played one game in it then sold it? I get that you don't technically have to play a tank to know how it plays, but you're basing your argument off of your very limited knowledge and experience of the tank -_-

round sundial Nov 13, 2019, 5:51 PM

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I'm not basing it of off my gameplay with it, but of off the stats and my knowledge of the game. I just don't believe it is nearly as effective as you describe @formal vale

formal vale Nov 13, 2019, 5:51 PM

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You mean the 3 other people who say it's good? smh

austere moat Nov 13, 2019, 5:53 PM

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My opinion means very little... Posit1ve's though... He's a bit more knowledgeable

coarse dawn Nov 13, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Will there be any balancing of the autoreloaders in the next update? Currently they make the autoloaders quite useless, and the tanks that have them already have strong statistics

formal vale Nov 13, 2019, 7:32 PM

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I disagree with that ^^^. Yes auto-reloaders are too good, but they dont make autoloaders useless.

If you want to fix them, just change the reloads in such a way that you are discouraged to fire your entire clip. Reward thoughtful gameplay by giving people a reason not to dump their clip.

As for autoloaders, you have better theoretical dpm than an auto-reloader. You also typically have better burst potential. The exception to this is the Batchat, which isn't supposed to revolve around its autoloader.

drowsy plaza Nov 13, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Auto Reloaders will self balance when more players figure out their weaknesses.

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Routinely a lot of the vast unwashed masses sit back and let the auto reloader load a full clip. Instead of realizing that they out DPM them now and could finish them off by pushing.

jade cargoBOT Nov 13, 2019, 7:44 PM

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dynoSuccess Surch#6964 has been warned.

orchid grove Nov 13, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Auto reloaders have the highest DPM when empty, so that’s not really a thing

distant river Nov 13, 2019, 8:10 PM

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You cant really wait for them to clip and then push them because you will still get shot. You will probably kill them in a 1v1 if they have clipped someone else but unless you get them on their own they are very hard to take out. Their main weakness is that they dont have great dpm, but its still enough to hurt and enough to carry most games

indigo knot Nov 13, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Dpm doesn't matter when they can clip you and then brawl like a regular tier 9 DPM med

unique scaffold Nov 13, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Lol people don't stop crying about autoreloaders but most of them have never driven them and are too trash to deal with em. You can complain about it in this channel for a whole day and it means nothing because guess what, wg doesn't read this channel. Even if they do, they balance based on numbers and not some people's opinions

acoustic shard Nov 13, 2019, 8:29 PM

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Buff Lycans aim time, despersion, and or pen. It make's no sense for it to have bad aim time bad dispersion cuppled with bad shell velosity and pen. If you take a shot at range it bounces or just dips into the ground because of the bad velosity. A overly weak lower plate a long reload and a terrable gun make for a un injoyable tank.

indigo knot Nov 13, 2019, 8:32 PM

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distant river Nov 13, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Wow a sensible balence decision is finally coming, a shame they couldn't make it before they released the tanks 🤦

unique scaffold Nov 13, 2019, 8:45 PM

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you never know how a tank is going to perform exactly unless the tanks is being tried by a massive amount of players with a variety of skill levels

versed meadow Nov 13, 2019, 9:08 PM

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grille buff pls? its not a bad tank its just that every other td has been getting buffed and i would really like the grille to be restored to its former glory

nimble zodiac Nov 13, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Every one huh? Name each

indigo knot Nov 13, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Only Td that hasn't been touched alongside Grille is E4 .....263 never needed any iteration

distant river Nov 13, 2019, 9:44 PM

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@unique scaffold It was extremely easy to see that things like the charioteer, conway and fochs autoloader were going to be way too good. That is without having access to the tanks to actually test them personally...

frosty coral Nov 13, 2019, 11:26 PM

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@lusty silo replied to my question about nerfing Euro auto-reloaders on forum saying it's not happening in the next release...
Reading between the lines it's coming, make hay now!

nimble zodiac Nov 13, 2019, 11:34 PM

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You didn’t have to ping them but ok, I agree that the european tanks are too capable

drowsy plaza Nov 13, 2019, 11:47 PM

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I think they are decent but for me they don’t over perform my other meds in 8-10.

austere moat Nov 14, 2019, 12:01 AM

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How would people think if I took the bottom 2 and top 2 tanks of each tier and type FROM THE DEVS ANSWERS PAGE and suggest the changes that should/could be made to make them more balanced? If I get much support, I will create a list and work on forming thoughts on how to balance them...

mellow cape Nov 14, 2019, 12:38 AM

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Italian autoreloaders dont need a nerf, they need a rework rather. Make them like the PC version so you can either keep firing single shots and maintain good DPM (it should still be less than other mediums because having that much DPM with a clip is not fine) or just unload your clip then get bad DPM as the last shot takes far longer to reload. Or just outright nerf them (which is what I think WG will do, they have been uncreative with older nerfs)

austere moat Nov 14, 2019, 12:51 AM

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That's what they have... You can dump your 3, and then it's like 10 seconds for the next shell, and it's STILL insane
Ah yeah, there is still that...

mellow cape Nov 14, 2019, 12:57 AM

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@austere moat no, the reload times for the first shell and the last shell are nearly identical on them since the last shell is loaded directly without the additional 3s

worthy sparrow Nov 14, 2019, 1:05 AM

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jade cargoBOT Nov 14, 2019, 1:38 AM

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drowsy plaza Nov 14, 2019, 1:39 AM

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@west scaffold balance isn’t about MM or random games

jade cargoBOT Nov 14, 2019, 1:40 AM

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drowsy plaza Nov 14, 2019, 1:48 AM

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To reiterate the pinned messages here, this channel isn’t for MM Complaining. Also if your going to PM a mod, maybe not swearing at them is a good idea.

latent snow Nov 14, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Why is the HE pen on the Conway so garabage? It just gives you an additional 100ish damage.

jade cargoBOT Nov 14, 2019, 4:32 PM

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drowsy plaza Nov 14, 2019, 4:36 PM

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@latent snow 70mm on the 5.5 is enough for many things. Use HESH if you want more. On the 120mm it’s 120mm (no HESH option) and more than 100 more damage than the AP.

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The Conway is fantastic as is.

manic birch Nov 14, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Why did I get warned?

full token Nov 14, 2019, 5:58 PM

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You should’ve been sent a reason in your DMs

manic birch Nov 14, 2019, 6:29 PM

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So, where am I supposed to ask these kinds of questions at?

latent snow Nov 14, 2019, 6:39 PM

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how is the conway good?! it has no armor, is tall, has bad HE damage, and has some pretty bad dpm compared to the other tds in its teir

unique scaffold Nov 14, 2019, 6:41 PM

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It used to be over powered it deserved the nerfs

drowsy plaza Nov 14, 2019, 6:54 PM

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@manic birch look for the proper channel. If you can’t see one, then two options occur, 1) it’s not for this server, or 2 #general-blitz-discussion

manic birch Nov 14, 2019, 6:57 PM

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@drowsy plaza So, I can’t ask about a tank being buffed in the tank balance channel?

What kinds of questions would I ask in this channel then?

drowsy plaza Nov 14, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Your question you got warned for was asking about more of the Girl and Panzer tanks.

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@latent snow it has better mobility than the two other turretted TD’s in tier 9, (T30 and Waffle) and with the 120mm best DPM. The turret is exceptionally troll, and 10 degrees of gun depression. Yeah more HE dmg would be nice, but not needed.

latent snow Nov 14, 2019, 7:06 PM

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foch has more dpm... and the conways turret has no armor? what do you mean troll? you can HE pen the top of the turret with big guns

fringe apex Nov 14, 2019, 7:11 PM

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@latent snow New consumable made he's prety useless in front of them

round sundial Nov 14, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Conway is very good tank still, especially with the speed consumable. It goes insaenly quick in reverse then. It definitely doesnt need any buff omg

latent snow Nov 14, 2019, 7:19 PM

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How do you use this thing??!?! it feels so helpless on the battlefield, even if i go with my team im always targeted EVEN when im in second line. TELL ME HOW THIS TANK IS GOOD and not just that its a bit faster than a waffle

prime ermine Nov 14, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Can u buff the rotation's grille pls because against other tds like foch or 268, he is very slow

fringe apex Nov 14, 2019, 7:22 PM

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@latent snow be sûr to not being alone, lost the spot and reset your camo if you want playing it in support, either just take position where you can hide yourself and wait for ennemies to shoot an other target

iron hearth Nov 14, 2019, 7:25 PM

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121b has the lowest wr of all tier 10 tank medium i think a little buff might be needed maybe a speed buff to make it unique or a better gun accuracy/dispersion

fringe apex Nov 14, 2019, 7:38 PM

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@iron hearth aiming time to fit chinese standards maybe ?

drowsy plaza Nov 14, 2019, 7:56 PM

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@latent snow I run it first/second line depending on Map. I have much more reliable results with the 120mm, my 5.5” results are more erratic (better ‘good’ games, but more potatoe results too). Oddly avg dmg is very similar - but WR was way better with the 120mm.

coarse dawn Nov 14, 2019, 8:12 PM

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121 doesnt really need another buff. The 122mm is what the tank is about and next update the reload is getting buffed again edging it closer to the Russian med dpm

iron hearth Nov 14, 2019, 8:14 PM

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121b the premium one not the normal 121 @coarse dawn

unique scaffold Nov 14, 2019, 8:15 PM

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121 will be an overkill after the buff

Also 121b is fine

drowsy plaza Nov 14, 2019, 8:28 PM

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121B is already very good.

iron hearth Nov 14, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Charts say otherwise

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unique scaffold Nov 14, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Charts are basically useless

formal vale Nov 14, 2019, 9:32 PM

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@unique scaffold Incorrect.
@iron hearth I would just make the modules less likely to get damaged. Maybe also just buff the gun handling a bit (never owned the tank, so I'm just speaking from what I would expect to be wrong with the tank, I know its modules get damaged easily though).

drowsy plaza Nov 14, 2019, 9:44 PM

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@iron hearth I played 7 regular battles in my 121B, and around 70 rating. I’m 100% in regular battles (I know only 7) but that was before it got buffed. Based on playing it in rated I think it’s a strong tank. There would be other Meds I would buff before it.

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The problem with only looking at one set of charts is it doesn’t give you the whole picture. The 55-65% crowd is a very large window as a player at 64% who only plays tier 9-10 is a way different than a 55.01-% player who plays mostly tier 5-7 and jumps into their favorite tier X for a few games a day. Granted WG has a large enough sample size to account for that / but I personally like to see results over a few periods.

slim rivet Nov 14, 2019, 11:09 PM

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Even for 65+ (at t10) players it’s a hard tank to play @drowsy plaza and u won’t find many if not any top players preferring it over 140, stb, 202 or Léo

orchid grove Nov 14, 2019, 11:13 PM

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I’m perfectly fine with collectors being at the bottom of the tier X charts. Better that than have them be overpowered

winged barn Nov 14, 2019, 11:19 PM

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I fail to see how the t57 is so low on those charts.

drowsy plaza Nov 15, 2019, 12:35 AM

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Because it’s very soft, and slow

noble siren Nov 15, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Does somebody know which tanks are getting buffs and which nerfs or it's not clear yet?

desert vortex Nov 15, 2019, 12:44 AM

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I heard the WZ-121 and WZ-113 are getting a alpha damage buff

orchid grove Nov 15, 2019, 1:02 AM

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@desert vortex Yeah, 400 -> 420

noble siren Nov 15, 2019, 2:15 AM

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Wtf why? They are literally balanced tanks, but wait, yeah this is WG...
Why do I even wonder...

orchid grove Nov 15, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Im cool with it. Both are tech tree tanks, and also, they should have had 420 alpha since the beginning
High tier 122mm guns with just 400 alpha was ludicrous

crystal spoke Nov 15, 2019, 2:23 AM

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It's like the rev didnt really need it but should have had the higher alpha

orchid grove Nov 15, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Rev kinda needed it TBH. It was a tad weak

charred bobcat Nov 15, 2019, 2:43 AM

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WZ-121 became very good with the DPM buff. Having 420 alpha overdoes it imo. WZ-113 was due for a slight buff so I believe that was fair.

crystal spoke Nov 15, 2019, 3:45 AM

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the rev was balanced but was a bit weak (not saying i wish they didnt im really happy they did buff it ) but with some getting used to the rev could still be quite useful

indigo meadow Nov 15, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Extra alpha will help to prevent some from rushing you

crystal spoke Nov 15, 2019, 4:11 AM

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why would you be in a position where getting rushed is a risk?

harsh ravine Nov 15, 2019, 4:41 AM

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Has anyone notice how some recent buffs suddenly made a tank OP or overcooked? Tiger 2, Foch 155, FV215B come to mind.

unique scaffold Nov 15, 2019, 4:44 AM

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I wouldn't call 215b OP it's not that often used in battles, only in tournaments

indigo knot Nov 15, 2019, 4:50 AM

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I have seen quite some 215b in ratings and yes it is best heavy at its tier.... Like you get more HP than E100 can take other consumables of your own preference and the best gun on heavy so what do you expect.....

And WG said that consumables are balanced and won't change anything but somehow they just shifted the meta by introducing those consumables

unique scaffold Nov 15, 2019, 6:05 AM

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Best heavy at it's tier? Really? 🤦
It's not a true heavy

formal vale Nov 15, 2019, 6:07 AM

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Chieftain Mk.6, IS-4, WZ-113: Allow us to introduce ourselves

noble siren Nov 15, 2019, 6:26 AM

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@orchid grove I think that only wz113 needed buff but the wz 121 will be overcooked. Still waiting for useful buff on Leo tho...

bold dagger Nov 15, 2019, 9:02 AM

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113 is currently way better than the 121

latent snow Nov 15, 2019, 9:20 AM

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121 is much more flexible

indigo knot Nov 15, 2019, 9:37 AM

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Chieftain is no where the best heavy ......and 215b is currently the best .....see the stats for yourself if you think I am wrong

thorny lagoon Nov 15, 2019, 10:40 AM

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Tiger 1 need buff :v

coarse harness Nov 15, 2019, 12:06 PM

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Most people I know hate the 113 cause of it's traverse

quartz crown Nov 15, 2019, 12:29 PM

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@drowsy plaza The problem with the 121B is quite clear. Other mediums just does its variety of roles a lot better. It's relatively innacurate so it gets outdone by German / Brit meds in the mid range role (think 80-200m), so you'd imagine it has to play close range. But it's relatively slower speed and raw dpm/alpha strike just doesn't enable it to shine compared to the T-22, 140, 62 and Progetto. Also its armor profile, while familar- cant be fully utilized in lots and lots of situations. So it bleeds a suprising amount. It clearly struggles to create conditions to farm and apply map and space control based on its winrate and damage. Also you performing well in 77 battles is simply just observation bias. And while yes, the way wg accounts for data is flawed (as it only accounts for 55-65, and it is based on ru server data) the fact that all tanks fall under the same conditions with a reasonable margin of error makes it a non issue.

covert niche Nov 15, 2019, 1:44 PM

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I just accidentally bought a common crate cause... it said I had one free common crate waiting so I speed ran it and rip my 65,000 credits

coarse harness Nov 15, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Oh no
That is like one T8 battle with a prem

distant river Nov 15, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Looks like WG are actually thinking about the ATGMs, maybe they will actually get it right this time...

hot widget Nov 15, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Unfair balance , Ooof

unique scaffold Nov 15, 2019, 2:31 PM

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They will have both standard shells and missiles omg why

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People out here really be whining about that

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Yes

soft kettle Nov 15, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Please buff the tortoise armor

fluid edge Nov 15, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Wtf

indigo knot Nov 15, 2019, 2:53 PM

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121b is a great tank....the only that I ever have is the low module health.....like ammo rack and get on fire .....in all it is a fantastic tank....it doesn't need any buff but if it does get one I will welcome it

midnight jackal Nov 15, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Could it be made possible that if a player1 had moved a player2 in his blacklist for something or any reason possible (hangar violation or any other reason). Than the player2 could not join the battle with the player1 for the future battle until, player2 is removed from the blacklist of player1.

Please don't take this suggestion negatively
This may solve many hangar violations after 1 battle only.

meager spruce Nov 15, 2019, 4:40 PM

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@midnight jackal I am not saying it is a bad idea but I have to point out something. Rating has a very tight player base. If any of them block each other than that may result in even longer queue times making it almost unplayable. Also note that rating is WAY more toxic that regular so there is definitely more reason to blacklist people.

midnight jackal Nov 15, 2019, 4:48 PM

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@meager spruce ] But see as a personal point of view that "do u want to play with a teammate who had just made your team lose some battles in series."

meager spruce Nov 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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if it means shorter queue times, then YES becuase there is a chance he will be on the enemy team

midnight jackal Nov 15, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Yes this is what I am saying that player2 shouldn't come as the teammate of player1 (player2 could be in the enemy team of the player1) that won't affect the queue time of Ratting Battle and for Regular Battle Queue time is not a matter*.

meager spruce Nov 15, 2019, 5:03 PM

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ok now I understand. I though you meant they couldn't even meet on opposite teams

indigo knot Nov 15, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Well at the end it will only affect your queue time..... the more the players you blacklist the more the will be your queue time

quartz crown Nov 15, 2019, 5:10 PM

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it actually doesn't matter that much, since they can appear in your games on your team. @indigo knot all the block button does is restrict pm chats

indigo knot Nov 15, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Yeah I know but he wants that blacklisted players don't get in the same team as you......the one with the less blacklisted players will be given more preference as match maker will find it easier to get them in the game

I know it has become a tradition to stay Afk and grind tanks or mission for tanks especially in tier 8,9. I have seen many decent player with WR above 55% doing these things as of lately for the Italian tanks.....but you can only report them to WG and get them banned for a few days and then they will be back doing the same thing but they can be in your once and other times they might be in enemy team so nothing you can do about it

midnight jackal Nov 15, 2019, 5:15 PM

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@indigo knot ok bro your point could be considered that it will affect queue time but please answer my questions that would u like to have a player2 in your team who is generally stays AFK in 70% of his total battle played wouldn't that affect your teams gameplay.

iron hearth Nov 15, 2019, 5:23 PM

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i think putting the guided shell as a premium shell is really a scummy move 😒

austere moat Nov 15, 2019, 5:24 PM

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hell no, it discourages people from spamming it to no effect, because a lot of newbies wont have loads of credit and eventually will just run out cuz they can't hit jack with their shells
Premium shell ATGM is actually wonderful, probably best decision I have heard from WG in quite a while

indigo knot Nov 15, 2019, 5:25 PM

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@midnight jackal i have seen a few of these guys but even after reporting them you see them doing same thing after a week.....
Even SK8xtrm reported him some time ago and you can still find him some battles but nothing you can do about it

This guy had like 3000+ games in 30day so if you blacklist him being in Asia server it is only hamper your queue time coz there is no way he will blacklist you

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quartz crown Nov 15, 2019, 5:30 PM

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How to make comp more annoying to play: Progetto + Foch + 215b comp, and just throw some ATGMs in there because why not.

midnight jackal Nov 15, 2019, 5:33 PM

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@indigo knot thats what I am saying now a days quality gameplay is reduced, i am asking that could this simple thing be done or not, and if a player thinks that queue time high than there should be a check box "Don't consider Blacklist " that will not consider the player's blacklist and the matchmaking will work as it is working right now

drowsy plaza Nov 15, 2019, 5:49 PM

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@midnight jackal relationship to balance?

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Point in fact it won’t happen. I’d block all the 30-40%’ers....

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I’m sure I wouldn’t be alone in that.

midnight jackal Nov 15, 2019, 6:00 PM

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@drowsy plaza I am not saying that 30% players are bad. But I want to say that if a player1 had moved a player2 in his blacklist for something or any reason possible (hangar violation or any other reason). Than the player2 could not join in the same team with the player1 for the future battles until, player2 is removed from the blacklist of player1.

if player1 thinks that queue time is high at some point of time than there should be a check box "Don't consider Blacklist " that will not consider the player1's blacklist and the matchmaking will work as it is working right now.

quartz crown Nov 15, 2019, 6:10 PM

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@midnight jackal I don't understand what you're saying but I'll assume what you're saying is wrong. Matchmaker does not and has not ever considered a blacklist in queues. Only tank types and tier to a certain extent.

midnight jackal Nov 15, 2019, 6:22 PM

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@quartz crown I know Matchmaker does not and has not ever considered a blacklist in queues. Only tank types and tier to a certain extent. thats why I want to suggest this thing so that it may help to improve the gameplay and will also reduce the conflicting teammates in one battle.

quartz crown Nov 15, 2019, 6:22 PM

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@midnight jackal You can mute chat. Alternatively, just watch TV while you play blitz. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/625340888515608582/641143785492971558/LINE_MOVIE_1572930943869.mp4

▶ Play video

midnight jackal Nov 15, 2019, 6:33 PM

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@quartz crown what about the players who keep blocking in battle or doing other stuffs .

quartz crown Nov 15, 2019, 6:36 PM

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@midnight jackal Could care less about them. Especially when I consider how shaky and unreliable matchmaker and netcode is from Wargaming, the lack of change is a blessing in and of itself. Furthermore, while I get my share of bad teammates, its not nearly a significant problem to warrant a large scale solution like matchmaker avoids.

midnight jackal Nov 15, 2019, 6:51 PM

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@quartz crown does it mean we should have PEACE with the rogue players of my team and if they decide to make team lose than we should also act like AFK because there is no point to play a battle like - 6vs7 or 5 vs 7, 4 vs 7

quartz crown Nov 15, 2019, 6:55 PM

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@midnight jackal Look, I don't know whats it like on Asia, and nor do I really want to find out. But I can tell you that while its frustrating to have teammates block you, there are ways to combat it. Furthermore, I heavily doubt your games are ruined by teammates that frequently to bring this up as a issue. Additionally, a lot of these teammate based discussions are based on observation bias and spliced data.

midnight jackal Nov 15, 2019, 7:09 PM

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@quartz crown a survey could be organised to check whether some changes like that is needed by players or not.

drowsy plaza Nov 15, 2019, 7:10 PM

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@midnight jackal you missed the point. If you allow a Blacklist to push players off green it’s going to get abused.

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Yes it’s totally annoying - but it is fairly rare - and if it happens simply make a report with the replay. If reported enough the player will accumulate game bans.

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Those morons get on red more than green simply do to math (green has 6 spots for morons while red has 7)

quartz crown Nov 15, 2019, 7:13 PM

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@midnight jackal I don't trust a majority vote from the players when I know the sheer majority of them do not have the foresight and the understanding behind the factors of their decision. I know a survey is just going to get an outcome that's blatantly skewed towards matchmaker 'fixes'. However, if you took ONLY the experienced players with good stats to make the decisions, maybe it might work. But thats just bad survey and data collection policy. So I'm fine with the devs not taking much input from the playerbase, not that they listen often.

austere moat Nov 15, 2019, 7:20 PM

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but can't there be an avoid player function? Those game ruiners, and afk bots, should be avoidable...
Yeah, it is understandable. Also, Wargaming can't afford that?
I would be interested how much they make every day, what with all the premiums and gold they sell...

quartz crown Nov 15, 2019, 7:24 PM

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@austere moat As someone who came from Overwatch, I can tell you. That piece of programming required a lot of dev time, I had no idea how a company like wg can afford that. And again. recency and observation bias. they appear on the enemy team as well. Furthermore, its pubs and ratings- practically meaningless in the wider scope.

unique scaffold Nov 15, 2019, 7:25 PM

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for that there is this thing called report player, but sadly it doesn't work that well 😭

drowsy plaza Nov 15, 2019, 8:04 PM

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@midnight jackal again nothing to do with balance. Take it to #general-blitz-discussion

stray raven Nov 15, 2019, 8:13 PM

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I don’t for the life of me know what the hell you guys are saying but imma leave it there: leopard is too OP for a Tier V tank .

drowsy plaza Nov 15, 2019, 10:06 PM

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@stray raven what do you think is OP about it?

unique scaffold Nov 15, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Leopard is OP to players who tend to lack situational awareness. It is a tank that excels at exploiting folks who aren't paying attention and then hitting them for a good chunk of their HP.

sullen kiln Nov 15, 2019, 10:08 PM

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I mean, it has one of the best guns for a tier 5 and troll armor against guns with low pen, and it’s really fast and agile.

drowsy plaza Nov 15, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Best guns? In what way?

indigo knot Nov 15, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Well if only the pen was I would have said it has the best gun.... currently it is a good tank but not OP....and I did play it for a few matches after this update

In some ways it reminds me of T49 where if you get matchmaking (squishy tanks) and big map you are gonna have a nice time with it

dense yoke Nov 15, 2019, 10:55 PM

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Please weaken the foch (not 155), and please makr ru gun better(ik we don't need it but it would be nice) so it can penetrate a tanks like foch

lean plaza Nov 15, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Bruh ru shouldn’t be able to pen Foch. What makes you think it should be able to pen it if I can’t in an is 4 at tier 10. It’s a td. Your job is to flank it, not pen it from the front.

gloomy dragon Nov 16, 2019, 12:33 AM

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If anything, i want more ammo capacity on the RU. I tend to run out on the bigger carry games and it makes it hard to swap between HE and AP freely when i need to watch my remaining shots all the time

little quarry Nov 16, 2019, 12:44 AM

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Bring 5cm gun back to Leopard, so i can sleep- (increase its DPM would do)

austere moat Nov 16, 2019, 1:18 AM

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which leopard? The pew pew gun is OP on the T5
it's fine right now

charred narwhal Nov 16, 2019, 1:19 AM

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it WAS OP. Now it's meh since it cant turn as fast either

shy wren Nov 16, 2019, 2:49 AM

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Too bad the 5cm gun was removed from the Leo

serene otter Nov 16, 2019, 3:37 AM

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👌 👌

jade cargoBOT Nov 16, 2019, 3:47 AM

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dynoSuccess Ɖя. Hɛαятβяσκɛи#9641 has been warned.

ember thunder Nov 16, 2019, 3:52 AM

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I wish they would make the extra armour present on some tanks actually behave as extra armour like on is3 tiger 2 and many more

sage geyser Nov 16, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Make lowe armour stronger on front, tiger 2 is much better than lowe now

formal vale Nov 16, 2019, 8:01 AM

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Or just nerf the Tiger II's armor. The Lowe's frontal armor is fine, it's the Tiger II that's overcooked.

round sundial Nov 16, 2019, 8:18 AM

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I'll say it again, Lowe is as strong as Tiger 2. It has far better turret armour, better gun and better upper plate armour. So if a Lowe is hiding it's LFP, it's a harder target to dig out with a better gun. And it prints mad credits

distant river Nov 16, 2019, 8:29 AM

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And again i will say the points you agreed to last time, the turrets are of equal strength, the gun difference is negligible, the upper plate is definitely not worth the sacrifice when you have that lower plate as well as the worse mobility. You cannot say he lowe is good because it can take 1 position better than the tiger when the tiger can do literally everything else better. The lowe should be very slightly worse than the tiger, not completely outclassed as it is now

indigo knot Nov 16, 2019, 8:50 AM

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If I remember balancing is done according to a tier not solely by comparing 2 tanks of the same nation if one is outclassed by the other so lets buff it.....

I feel like it has become a norm now that if any premium is outclassed by its peer it needs a buff or nerf that tech tree counterpart....

T32 is it better than T34 or M6Exp
Amx 50 100(i know playstyle is different) for avg player is it better than Amx M4 49
IS3 or Wz110 are they better than 252u or Wz112-2 or IS3def
Kv4 is it better than KV5(atleast Kv5 has got mobility and top speed better than Kv4)
Tiger 2 is better than Lowe and there is an uproar that how can a tech tree tank be better than a premium counterpart

After this how can you not expect WG not to sell premiums that are flat out better than the tech tree....
This is why tier 7 and 8 are no fun to play tech tree tanks

Lowe in it tier is quite a strong tank at its tier so why does it need buff???

formal vale Nov 16, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Tech tree tanks and premium tanks should most definitely be on a level playing field. The removal of +/-2 MM and subsequently preferential matchmaking are justifications of this.

The Lowe, however, does not need a buff at all. It is perfectly balanced as it is. The Tiger II, on the other hand, needs a lower plate nerf. That's about it.

round sundial Nov 16, 2019, 8:59 AM

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@distant river I have both and I have far better results in the Lowe. And about your points, the turret is absolutely not of equal strength, Lowe is a pain to deal with in hulldown, and the gun difference is amplified by Tiger 2 being faster.

mellow cape Nov 16, 2019, 9:04 AM

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Keep in mind tiger II has significantly better mobility, which allows it to use the armor more effectively @round sundial

coarse harness Nov 16, 2019, 9:08 AM

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So the Obj 252U is equal to the IS-3 because it has slightly worse gun handling and mobility ?

And we should look at your stats instead of the charts about thousands of people ?

Pure stats doesn't always represent the battle performance of the tanks if you haven't noticed that

quiet veldt Nov 16, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Not really the OBJ 253u can hull down and it has a better gun the IS-3

indigo meadow Nov 16, 2019, 9:13 AM

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Lol obj252u can bounce a 183 off the front plate

charred bobcat Nov 16, 2019, 9:26 AM

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It also has a huge lower plate 😳
key word: huge

noble siren Nov 16, 2019, 9:27 AM

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Well the only problem with tiger ll is the lower plate, considering that every tank with big gun like T34 M6exp and all Tds go trough it like hot katana through butter, its OK EDIT: if you gonna nerf the lower plate badly at least buff the upper plate to the effectiveness of Lowe's one, it's simple and will be very effective

formal vale Nov 16, 2019, 9:28 AM

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Just for reference:

Edit: Keep in mind that the Lowe doesn't have a stock grind and the stats are pretty similar as far as player performances go.

Edit 2: I said a while ago that they should take whatever they remove from the lower plate and just add it to the upper plate, but some people really didn't like that for some reason.

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distant river Nov 16, 2019, 10:06 AM

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@round sundial Then you are playing the tiger wrong if you aren't doing as well in it. Lowe has smaller but weaker weakspots, and the tiger has larger but stronger weakspots on the turret. The tigers turret is strong against low pen meds but weak against heavies. The lowes turret is decent enough at both. I dont know what you mean by the difference being amplified by the tiger being faster because that is one of the main problems.

@indigo knot The lowe should be slightly worse than the tiger but it is outclassed by a long way. Buffing a tech tree tank to be stupidly good isnt going to help balence at all.

All the tiger 2 needs is a decent upper plate buff, and then put the lower plate and sides back to where they used to be.

noble siren Nov 16, 2019, 10:41 AM

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@distant river sides are fine

distant river Nov 16, 2019, 2:30 PM

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The sides are alright with the upper plate how it is now, but if you buffed the upper plate by what i was imagining (about 20 mm) then it would need the sides toning down a bit

austere bone Nov 16, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Now that grille has been power creeped by tanks like fv4005 and foch 155 (autoloader gun) i belive grille needs a buff extremely bad i think its hp should be buffed to 1850 and i think it should be given 1 more degree of gun depression and its HE pen buffed to 85

unique scaffold Nov 16, 2019, 3:07 PM

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@distant river Lowe definitely is not a weaker tank than the tiger 2, it has a different playstyle, u can hulldown way better in the Lowe, as the turret is definitely better, it holds heavies much better with that turret in comparison with the tiger 2, where if gold is used the top of the turret and zone around the gun are completely grey, also the front of the Lowe is very trollish, that gray stripe usual fools people into thinking it is easy to shoot, nowadays when people see the tiger 2 they just load gold, i’d say we give it more time for the people to get used to countering the tiger 2.

distant river Nov 16, 2019, 3:11 PM

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The tiger can do almost everything the lowe can do, but the tiger can also do so much more. When people see the lowe the just load gold as well. The difference is that meds can actually pen the lowe frontally

autumn zodiac Nov 16, 2019, 4:26 PM

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Premium tanks also Shouldn't be stronger than Tech Tree, generally it's best if they stay on par or slightly weaker than tech tree Vehicles

distant river Nov 16, 2019, 4:28 PM

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And giving the tiger weakspots isnt going to change that, it will just be slightly balenced

echo garden Nov 16, 2019, 4:32 PM

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At first that was what they were meant to be

tight herald Nov 16, 2019, 4:42 PM

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@distant river i haven't played the tiger 2 but I would say the lowe feels squishier than the tiger 2. I have difficulty penning it from the front, lowe not so much.

drifting depot Nov 16, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Well Lowe has a huge lot of weak spots ._. Tiger 2 not as much

unique scaffold Nov 16, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Well Tiger 2 is broken so ofc it's better than lowe

gloomy dragon Nov 16, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Tiger 2 got a stupid frontal armor buff so of course it's OP now. At the very least it needs the lower plate to be thinned out a bit. As it is now it's near invincible frontally and has the mobility to counter most flankers from getting to significant weak points.

noble siren Nov 16, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Lmao

unique scaffold Nov 16, 2019, 9:53 PM

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It's lower plate is stronger than e100's and about the same as the maus's. If that isn't broken idk what is

flat bane Nov 16, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Oof

drifting depot Nov 16, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Well, maybe the track can be broken lul

quick scroll Nov 16, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Nerf Tiger II, he is too much op now

flat bane Nov 16, 2019, 10:13 PM

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He

nimble zodiac Nov 16, 2019, 11:10 PM

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they're gonna nerf it, just wait

storm hatch Nov 16, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Buff super Pershing’s giant forehead

nimble zodiac Nov 16, 2019, 11:51 PM

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I mean it goes hulldown behind a hill using gun depression to hide said forehead

austere moat Nov 17, 2019, 1:24 AM

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Superpershing does need a small buff

flat bane Nov 17, 2019, 1:30 AM

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To what

formal vale Nov 17, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Aim time and dispersion

Edit: the armor is fine imo

acoustic shard Nov 17, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Buff Lycans despersion, shell velosity, and the apcr pen by 10mm

twin egret Nov 17, 2019, 3:20 AM

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wdym it's technically a better IS, doesn't need a buff imo

mellow heart Nov 17, 2019, 3:27 AM

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why do vk72 repairs cost 10k more than any other tier X?

noble siren Nov 17, 2019, 7:23 AM

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@mellow heart and guess what it is completely useless

formal vale Nov 17, 2019, 7:28 AM

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No tank is ever completely useless. The only things I would change on the VK 72 are the reload (make it 14.9 or something) and the turret cheeks (they're too easy to pen).

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 7:38 AM

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@formal vale to be honest, i really like that state t10 is at right now, i see no crazily underpowered tanks or overpowered ones... i know the complaints about foch, is4 or t22, to me honestly they are just as much danger as a 263, t95e6 or 121. Same thing with the vk 72.. u think u r gonna pen it and u get those weird bounces.. not a bad tank imo.. i think u are right about the foch.. but i know a lot of players.. 52% and above that said they got used to the tank and know how to counter it. @formal vale i was thinking... maybe just make the whole right cupola a weakpoint? not only the middle part with the test being spaced armour??

formal vale Nov 17, 2019, 7:39 AM

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@unique scaffold the only tank I really fear right now at tier 10 is the Foch 155. If they just nerfed the clip reload and reverted the weak spots back to what they were, it would be fine by me

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 8:15 AM

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T95E6 is kinda trash tbh... E5 has a much better hull armor, better turret and a smaller stronger hatch plus has the consumable and the only thing E6 gets is some more mobility

formal vale Nov 17, 2019, 8:21 AM

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Yeah, I would probably either reduce the size of the cupola or make it a little harder to penetrate. Kinda like what they're doing with the Chieftain/T95

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 8:39 AM

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@unique scaffold t95e6 is a very good tank imo... very quick, very troll cupola , 10 degrees of gun depression.. but the speed is what makes it good and fun... opinion from someone that actuallly has it. U can only pen the middle of it so yeah, very troll, i am getting a massive number of bounces on it the way i play it, use the mobility to peek very quick so they barely manage to aim

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Wdym by troll cupola lmao

thick rover Nov 17, 2019, 8:45 AM

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Think they should remove it much like old patton

fringe apex Nov 17, 2019, 9:07 AM

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@formal vale if you buff vk turret cheeks it will be quiet unpenetrable frontaly, every tank needs weaks spot

formal vale Nov 17, 2019, 9:08 AM

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@fringe apex that's what the turret ring is for. It should be able to have a good turret imo. It already suffers from a derpy gun and terrible dpm. It's by no means an awful tank. But it could use some love imo

P.S. for anyone willing to respond, I spent some time this afternoon making a list of the tanks I would balance. Idk if I should even bother posting it here, so Im asking if anyone would be interested. Just let me know here of you're curious and want me to post it.

Edit: Say no more...

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 9:13 AM

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Vk has that rounded parts on the hull which get penned easily same for the turret cheeks and lower plate is easy to pen with gold

thick rover Nov 17, 2019, 9:34 AM

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@formal vale I am interested, and will appreciate it if you posted it here just for an opinion

formal vale Nov 17, 2019, 9:38 AM

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My opinion:

Buffs:

T110E5:

Engine power increased
Top speed increased to 40kph

M103:

Turret armor made more reliable from the front (including a minor cupola buff)
Top speed increased to 40kph

T26E4:

Aim time decreased to 3.0 sec
Dispersion decreased to 0.337

T26E5:

Engine power increased
Top speed increased to 45kph

M26 Pershing:

Standard penetration increased to 202mm
Frontal turret armor improved
Engine power increased

M4A3E8:

Penetration increased to 140mm

Conqueror:

Turret armor made more reliable
Top speed to 38kph

Centurion 7/1:

Top speed increased to 50kph.
Slight engine power buff

Centurion 1:

Top speed increased to 50kph
Turret armor made more reliable (forehead made to be more thick)

Tortoise line:

Minimum top speeds will be 25kph from tier 6 to tier 9

Tortoise:

Frontal armor made more reliable (excluding machine gun ports)

Grille 15:

Small engine power buff

VK 72.01 K:

Turret cheeks made stronger
Reload with hammer is now 15.0s

E100:

Improved frontal turret armor by 10mm (excluding 150mm viewport)

Leopard 1:

Improved acceleration
Improved aim time

Leopard PTA:

Gun depression increased to 8°
Engine power increased
Accuracy increased (reduced dispersion)
Aim time decreased

Kpf. Pz. 70:

HE damage increased to 780 average
Reload decreased to 13.8s with gun rammer
Top speed increased to 50kph
Slight engine power increase

Panther II:

Upper frontal plate increased by 15mm

Panther I:

Turret armor increased

IS-6:

Reload reduced to 11.8 sec with gun rammed
APCR shell cost for high pen gun reduced to 1,050 credits per shell

T-44-100:

Turret armor made to match the T-54 mod 1's turret armor
Engine power increased to the average of the Mod 1's engine power and the T-44's engine power.

AMX 50 120:

Gun depression buff to 8°
Aim time reduced

WZ-120:

Gun depression increased to 5°

IS-2:

Accuracy increased
Frontal upper plate improved

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 9:42 AM

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E5 would be op

cunning kindle Nov 17, 2019, 9:42 AM

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100% agree with cent 7/1 buff m8, i havent driven an op tank in a while at that tier, the buff wud really help me out

thick rover Nov 17, 2019, 9:45 AM

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Some points that I would contest, just a possible opinion:

Grille:
Engine is fine to me, maybe a buff could be put to better use such as gun depression or gun arc

Can also sacrifice turret traverse speed for more tank traverse speed

Leo PTA: It needs distinguishing factor from Leo 1 since it's tier 9 and with that in mind I also feel it's gun dispersion and aim time is better or same as 4202 so it's pretty fine and accurate already, gun depression yep should buff that just

E5:
Already one of the most mobile tier X heavies so I think it's fine now actually, if buff can be acceptable except idk which aspect

For the rest, either I agree or it's not tier X and I don't bother, or I'm not interested in the line

formal vale Nov 17, 2019, 9:48 AM

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Nerfs / Reworks: (Premiums can technically be nerfed, but it generally doesnt happen)

T110E3:

Sides of the lower frontal plate made more penetrable.

Badger:

Lower plate armor reduced
Frontal cupolas made weak spots (but they're still very small)

E50M:

Reload reverted to pre-buff state.
Penetration increased to 255mm without calibrated shells

Tiger II:

Lower frontal plate reduced by 20mm
Upper frontal plate increased by 20mm
Side armor reverted back to 80mm
Frontal turret armor increased (cheeks now 100mm instead of 80mm)

Skorpion G:

Turret traverse reduced slightly
Aim time slightly increased

Obj. 263:

Trackwheel HP reduced slightly

IS-4:

Frontal lower plate armor reduced
Side armor increased
Trackwheel HP reduced

T-22 medium:

Lower side armor reduced to 40mm

Obj. 252U:

Side armor reduced
Frontal pike armor slightly reduced
Lower plate armor slightly increased
Reload increased to 13.8s with rammer

Foch 155:
For the autoloader:

Clip reload increased to 19.8s
Aim time increased
Frontal weak spots returned

For the single shot:

Aim time decreased

Foch:

Frontal weak spots return

AMX M4 49 Liberté:

Frontal lower plate slightly reduced

WZ-120-G FT:

Reduced upper plate armor
Average damage increased to 420
Reload increased to 9.2 sec
Aim time slightly increased

Lupus:

Gun depression reduced to 6°

Lycan:

Top speed slightly reduced
Engine power slightly reduced

Smasher:

Turret armor heavily reduced
Reload increased to 17.1s with rammer
Turret traverse speed reduced
Track traverse speed reduced
Dispersion increased
Aim time increased

Helsing:

Reload increased to 11.8s

Dracula:

Reload increased to 7.5s
Traverse speed reduced
Acceleration reduced slightly

All Autoreloader Tanks:
All autoreloader gun reloads are reworked to resemble that of WoTPC's rendition of the tanks.

Standard B:

HE pen reduced to 85mm

Pantera P.44:

Top speed reduced to 53kph

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 9:54 AM

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Lycan doesn't need a nerf and I don't see a point in nerfing Is4 lower plate as it's already weak. If anything, it would be a buff since it'd be getting more side armor which means you can really overangle your sides and not get penned

formal vale Nov 17, 2019, 9:59 AM

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The main goal with the IS-4 rework is to make it more of a side scraper than a frontline breakthrough tank. Making the lower plate much weaker would force people to hide it more often (I tend to have to switch to pramo to reliably pen it).

As far as the Lycan goes, it does seem fine. I just think it's a little strong. Not too adamant about that one, just thought I'd include it.

Edit: I just think the E50M is a little overcooked. It was quite underpowered before they buffed the reload, but I think they should have buffed it in the form of more penetration rather than dpm. That's just me though, y'all have some good comments on it too.

noble siren Nov 17, 2019, 10:03 AM

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E50M is ok considering all hull down tanks with crazy depression and impenetrable turrets, Vk72 needs only side armor buffed because with a little angle and it's easy pen, if the enemies switch to gold ammo u r pretty much damage farm for them, the only "strong" things are the cupola and upper plate, but still penable. I would say some armor buff to the lower plate and side armor which will be fair for the gun, because it doesn't feel like a heavy tank like the E100 or Maus.

thick rover Nov 17, 2019, 10:16 AM

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Just for consideration the sides of IS-4 was 160 in the past, 140 front if I'm not wrong, and it was the sidescrape expert. When WG changed the front to 160 and side 140 they wanted to make it more of a Frontline tank and sort of a "true"(?) Heavy

harsh ravine Nov 17, 2019, 10:18 AM

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Agree with some this but

Conqueror:
If you're gonna buff the turret, you gotta remove the consumables. Other than that, this tank definitely deserves a tough turret.

Panther 2:
You're better off adding the long 88cm gun

M4A3E8:
It doesn't need it

T26E4:
No, just slightly buff it's roof

T26E5:
No

E5:
Just no

IS-2:
If this is the Chinese IS-2, you're better off adding the 122mm D-25 and increasing it's hitpoints to 1300

Grille:
Just buff the traverse

Tiger 2:
It just needs a LFP nerf. From 160mm to 120-100mm

IS-4:
No

Obj 252U:
Just nerf the rear armor

AMX M4 49:
No

Dracula:
No

Helsing:
Just increase the reload between each shot from .1s to 3s

P44:
No

noble siren Nov 17, 2019, 10:23 AM

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@thick rover actually Is4 can't side scrape because on the sides it has big weak spots which i accidentally found, well not that much big but still

formal vale Nov 17, 2019, 10:25 AM

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@harsh ravine
I agree with the E5s. They're too much.

The Conq would entail consumable removal, yes. That was the plan but I ran out of character space.

The issue I have with the Super Pershing is the gun handling. The armor is fine if you know how to move your tank. The gun is just absolute garbage. IS tanks have better gun handling than that.

Like I said with the IS-4, I would like to see it reverted to a side scraper. But that's just me, not WG's plans.

The AMX M4 49 was kinda just whatever. Like the Lycan, I'm not really adamant about it considering it's already pretty balanced.

On the Dracula, I'd like to see it nerfed. Not necessarily in the way I described, but definitely some sort of acceleration nerf is in order imo.

The helsing shouldn't have an intrashell reload. It's meant to be a double shot. Making the entire clip reload longer makes way more sense.

Pantera does need a mobility nerf. It's way too fast imo considering it has that autoreloader mechanic and such an accurate gun. Maybe a 55 or 58 mph top speed would be more appropriate than 53 though.

Edit: Anyways I'm off to bed. I'll continue this in the morning.

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 10:37 AM

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@formal vale u r killing the lupus :(((

iron hearth Nov 17, 2019, 10:49 AM

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are you people out of your mind, you know they will never nerf a premium tank right?

harsh ravine Nov 17, 2019, 10:50 AM

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look at the EULA, they can nerf a premium tank anytime

round sundial Nov 17, 2019, 10:52 AM

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T110E5:
No, rather nerf the FV215b which is obviously too strong.
M103:
The tank seems to be ok to me mostly, perhaps a gun handling buff at most?
T26E4:
Idk, the tank is performing ok I think, it's very noob friendly
T26E5:
It's literally a Caern with far better turret and worse hull armour. Don't think it needs to become as fast as a med to wreck them even easier..
M26 Pershing:
It is a bit harder to play, because it requires positional thinking, but I don't think a buff is in order
M4A3E8:
Yes
Conqueror:
If you buff the turret, you need to nerf the gun. And then it becomes a second M103, perhaps even a better one.
Centurion 7/1:
No
Centurion 1:
Again, a very good tank, it's only so bad in stats cuz it's not noob friendly and has long stock grind
Tortoise line:
Maybe with exception of AT-15, that tank is pretty good actually from what I see
Tortoise:
Perhaps?
Grille 15:
An useless buff, for all people do with this is sit in a bush.
VK 72.01 K:
It already is like a more noob friendly E100. Maybe bring the gun to E100 level but otherwise, naah
E100:
Buff of side armour on turret instead, by like 20mm, or whatever to make the entire turret not be meme penned by T10 HEAT without even aiming when it's angled perfect
Leopard 1:
Seems to do ok, no?
Leopard PTA:
Yes
Kpf. Pz. 70:
Take small steps, first one introduce ATGM HE to make it unique
Panther II:
Make it like normal panther, so buff the gun DPM to like 2700 when fully kitted out.
Panther I:
Absolutely not, its a very good tank
IS-6:
Improve the autopen roof and stregthen mantlet. It still has weak cheeks and cupolas, and not the best hull.
T-44-100:
Just give it gun dep like norm T44. It will be slowed with no chance to get HEd from the side
AMX 50 120:
Idk
WZ-120
Nah, it's awesome in everything but the gun depression. It'd become literally a better T54, that should not happen
IS-2:
Yes

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 10:55 AM

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T26E5 absolutely does not need a buff, it is one of the best t8 heavies imo, i own the tank and really enjoy playing it, if used correctly it is crazy good.
@unique scaffold thinking the same, requires skill, and can get caught in stupid situations often, also it always gets on fire

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215b shouldn't get nerfed...

@dark pike Tiger 2 is really broken so it needs lower plate nerf, the upper plate is strong as it is

dark pike Nov 17, 2019, 11:06 AM

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buff tiger 2's upper plate if you nerf lower plate

round sundial Nov 17, 2019, 11:11 AM

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T110E3:
No

Badger:
Again, no. It's an E3 with worse alpha basically

E50M:
I don't think it needs a buff, there are far better meds in T10 (STB, T22), while others are quite balanced imo.

Tiger II:
That would be more of a buff, I'll gladly take it 😄 Also, it'd make it a better version of AMX M4 49, no?
Skorpion G:
Yes

Obj. 263:
What is trackwheel HP? High tier alpha oneshots it already anyways..

IS-4:
More of a buff again

T-22 medium:
Ah yes, nerf of the side is in order

Obj. 252U:
No

Foch 155:
For the autoloader:
How is that looking in DPM numbers? I'd argue for 2700 DPM with the autoloader with erhaps better burst potential

For the single shot:
Yes

Foch:
Yes

AMX M4 49 Liberté:
It's already 80mm and penend by everything.

WZ-120-G FT:
Yes

Lupus:
No

Lycan:
No. One of the few balanced prems.

Smasher:
Yes

Helsing:
Yes

Dracula:
Perhaps only the gun nerf? The only point of it is the speed, it should have a terrible gun

All Autoreloader Tanks:
Perhaps?

Standard B:
Needs more nerf, maybe 310 alpha and leave everything else? It'll still have the single shot capability unlike batchat

Pantera P.44:
Yes, perhaps even to 50

E: @unique scaffold Well, it is on the strong side and it outclasses the E5 in pretty much everything. And E5 is already very good. Do you have any other solution?

normal raptor Nov 17, 2019, 11:15 AM

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The tier 10 bc should have 2.5 sec inter clip reload and make the full reload a bit longer so the dpm stays the same because i feel like you have to stay open too long if you want to clip someone and every med can shoot you twice while you are going for that third shot

fringe apex Nov 17, 2019, 11:18 AM

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Everyone is complaining about tiger II but you just have to Switch to pramo and both lower and upper part are easly penetrable as i Saw....

dark pike Nov 17, 2019, 11:19 AM

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problem here is that all tier 8 heavy tanks can be penned in the lower plate, you can't do that with tiger 2 with ap

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 11:24 AM

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It really does not, it has 7° GD and rear placement turret so it can't go hulldown while the e5 is a god at hulldown. Also e5 has better hull armor on the front and on the side so if you get caught out in the open or get rushed you can angle and bounce smth @round sundial

There is not a place where you can pen the Tiger 2 with a t7 tank except TD's with heat. Lycan with apcr is useless even when Tiger 2 is completely flat @fringe apex

Meanwhile vk45a, isX tanks vk100p and basically every other heavy at t8 have and should have weakspots which can be penned by a lower tier tank, otherwise the tank is broken, which is the case with Tiger 2

normal raptor Nov 17, 2019, 11:25 AM

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And smasher has the same dpm than rhm at tier 8...

fringe apex Nov 17, 2019, 11:57 AM

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@unique scaffold ok in this case nerf the lower plate but buff the upper one. Only do the nerf would make the tank pretty useless since it wouldn't have armor

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 11:59 AM

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Upper plate still got buffed with the last update and IS really strong right now, if the lower plate got nerfed the tank would be really good

hearty sparrow Nov 17, 2019, 12:04 PM

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The tiger is good as it is right now

mystic oxide Nov 17, 2019, 12:08 PM

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pls buff the HE Pen on the T82 and nerf the accuracy and aiming time because i dont have the money to buy heat

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 12:10 PM

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You mean broken @hearty sparrow

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@mystic oxide pls don’t tell me that you buy prammo with gold instead of credits

iron hearth Nov 17, 2019, 12:29 PM

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Pls buff all the tanks that i own and nerf all other tanks..

thick rover Nov 17, 2019, 12:32 PM

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Cool

mystic oxide Nov 17, 2019, 12:38 PM

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i dont buy prammo with gold 😂 @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 12:38 PM

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thank god @mystic oxide

dusky cedar Nov 17, 2019, 1:11 PM

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Give grille better camo

normal raptor Nov 17, 2019, 2:14 PM

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T-44 needs just a bit of pen maybe like 180mm

round sundial Nov 17, 2019, 2:19 PM

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T44 is gucci as it is. Source: my experince w it

solemn flame Nov 17, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Vk36 is way too overcooked mf has more armor than tiger 1

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Well that ain't true, 203 mm AP is more than enough to pen the vk

solemn flame Nov 17, 2019, 3:08 PM

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I think he meant stock gun still its way too much

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Hello every one)

red trench Nov 17, 2019, 4:15 PM

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PZ III has to be nerfed. WG
The tank beat all the tier 3 tanks (stats)
And It's the most played tier 3 tank, because It's op.

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formal vale Nov 17, 2019, 5:00 PM

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@unique scaffold In my mind, the Lupus has no business having 12° of gun depression.

@iron hearth I know. I mentioned that at the beginning of my Nerfs/Reworks list.

iron hearth Nov 17, 2019, 5:05 PM

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btw i know they can nerf premiums but im saying they wont do that couse they will lose a lot of money doing so

humble spear Nov 17, 2019, 5:20 PM

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The strong point of the lupus is its gun depression and strong frontal armour profile, it compensates by having awful DPM and really bad gun elevation of 5 degrees (it still is op though). Considering the lupus can be dealt with frontally by aiming at weakspots, which are the turret cheeks, removing all of its gun depression will turn it into a useless tank, as with bad depression it will be unable to use ridgelines to expose as little of its turret, where enemies can either spam gold at the lower plate or simply aim. The tank can surely be nerfed in other ways though.

formal vale Nov 17, 2019, 5:31 PM

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@round sundial
Both E5 tanks and the M103: Yeah I can see that they would have been too strong. I would have also advocated for the removal of the consumables though. The only thing I would like to see with these tanks is the M103 getting a turret buff.

The T26E4 just has an awful gun. The gun has a good count of weak spots to counter it, which is good. The issue is that the gun is practically unusable.

Conqueror: I mentioned a little earlier that I would advocate for the removal of the consumables. A turret buff instead of adding the consumables would have been better imo.

Cent 7/1 and Cent 1: The tanks would just be more fun to play. They are already ok tanks, but those buffs would set them more on par with other tanks at their tier.

E100: Sure, I can agree with that

Panther II: Would be interesting, but I was thinking an upper plate buff would be a better transition to the E50.

WZ-120: Its generally agreed upon that 3° of gun depression is just too little.

T110E3: What I proposed would me minor, but you can already pen the track wheel and do damage so it wouldn't be entirely useful.

Badger: I've heard that the Badger needed a nerf. I think it's strong but not too OP.

E50M: It would be more of a rework. The reload is nerfed while the pen is increased.

Tiger II: It would make it more consistent with the line.

263: I would like to see it easier to track the tank. That's the main thing.

IS-4: More of a rework I think. Maybe factor in a frontal plate nerf?

The rest I agree with entirely.

storm hatch Nov 17, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Yes please buff the super p it’s soo bad.

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 5:59 PM

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https://images.app.goo.gl/2qAX2ig8qh8Jkf4Y7

indigo knot Nov 17, 2019, 6:00 PM

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I don't think any of the tier 10s need nerf currently they are all quite balanced if you remove the new consumables and provisions....
Only Foch is the one that is unbalanced

I wouldn't prefer more upper plate armour on tiger 2 and side armour nerf .... don't want another M6exp or amx m4 49 gameplay tank..... this will remove the consistency in the line ...only lowerplate nerf and it will be good enough

M103 doesn't need any turret armour buff and neither does Conqueror .....only thing Conq needs is 8-9 deg of the gun depression

The Italian autoreloaders need a rework so that they may be punished when someone doesn't use the shells properly..... Longest reload on first shell a bit less on second and smallest one on the last shell to be reloaded just like how Pantera is

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 6:31 PM

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There are ppl who don't find t22 op? 😂 🤦

formal forge Nov 17, 2019, 6:39 PM

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I hope that the Panther 2 will be buffed. It is probably the most underrated tier 8 tank. Nothing is special about that tank. I hate to play it cuz: big but almost no armor. Gun is meh 220 dmg for 5.5s reload. But i hate its so big and have almost no armor. Every tier 8 tanks can easily pen the panther 2. One thing i can be positive about the tank it is heavy and pretty fast for his weight? Im not sure but i think the panther 2 has very low average winrate (55-65% wr). What i really want to see for the Panther 2 is more frontal hull armor pls it is big and has no armor at all

round sundial Nov 17, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Panther 2 is obviously underpowered at the moment, but I don't think that giving it more hull armour would really solve anything. I think it should continue the theme of Panther 1, which means a huge box with little armour except on the mantlet, and great gun with great DPM. For this, either buff the current DPM significantly to like 2500-2600, or give it the 8.8 L/100 for research with similar DPM to the current one and better accuracy

indigo knot Nov 17, 2019, 6:41 PM

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T22 is strong but is not OP Stb1 is better than it for pubs and ratings
Tournament play is different story

formal forge Nov 17, 2019, 6:57 PM

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@round sundial i agree. Every tank has something cool/special about it for example: Panther 1 - great dpm, T49 - only light tank carries an 152mm gun, P.44 Pantera - with his unique auto reloading gun, etc... But the Panther 2? Uhmm maybe his speed for his weight? Yes it must be an Panther 1 upgrade not an downgrade (for me). It needs continue Panther’s 1 theme (Dpm) like give his gun something like 4.3s reload or something like that. Now it hasn’t any unique thing about it

formal vale Nov 17, 2019, 7:38 PM

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@unique scaffold Some people do. I personally find it to be pretty well balanced if not a little strong. I just put that armor reduction as a suggestion, not really advocating for it. There were some things in that list that were kinda just there to spark thinking rather than actually suggest changes. The Lycan and M4 49 are examples of that. Others like the Foch 155, Tortoise line, and Progetto line changes were things that I really would like to see done though.

Edit (Response): Yeah, I mean the 140 has better DPM and ammunition. It's also a little faster and has 6° of gun depression. I do agree that the T-22 is the strongest of the Russian meds but not incredibly so. I would say the ranking would go T-22, T-62A, and then Obj 140 in terms of objective easy to play. I don't regard it as the most OP tank at tier 10, let's put it that way.

Edit 2: Ah I see, my bad. Still, the T-22 isn't that OP. I think it just shows why the 140 should get it's turret armor back imo

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 7:40 PM

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I mean you take obj 140 right? A pretty balanced nice tank, isn't it? Now slap impenetrable side armor on it (that side armor is better than is7's mind you) and take next to nothing away from it, I find that op

Also T22 has much better turret and it has 6 deg aswell

iron hearth Nov 17, 2019, 8:00 PM

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tbh t22 gun is kinda crap

slim rivet Nov 17, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Am I the only 1 thinkin progetto is op? For good players only, but still

round sundial Nov 17, 2019, 8:29 PM

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No

formal vale Nov 17, 2019, 8:35 PM

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@slim rivet No you're not alone in thinking that. The whole line (and auto-reloading system in general) should be reworked to emulate what is found on WoTPC.

latent snow Nov 17, 2019, 8:36 PM

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the chaffee is sad, its so sluggish and just feels like a naked medium with a peashooter

indigo knot Nov 17, 2019, 10:04 PM

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Yes give back 140 and 62a pre nerfed turret....

coarse harness Nov 17, 2019, 10:07 PM

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62a already has really strong turret but the 140's is meh
But it still performs better on the charts
¯_(ツ)_/¯

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Reverse the whole lot of changes made in the 3.# updates.

meager spruce Nov 17, 2019, 10:23 PM

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tier 10 meds need to be restored to their former glory

unique scaffold Nov 17, 2019, 10:30 PM

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You mean to when they were op and made heavy tanks useless by just penning them every single time? I am sure everyone wants that back...

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It’s better than the “rush Im a heavy and it will work” Meta

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It's really not that way atm... Yes heavy tanks are the most played but both TD's and meds are getting enough play unlike when mediums ruled and you just take 7 obj 140s in a twister cup match
Nothing could touch russian meds, they just sit in front of heavies and dominate them with dpm, full heat and great armor and mobility

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That may have been the case. But the pendulum has now swung too far in the other direction. The 3.# updates were a direct attack on medium players. The direct nerfs, the pramo nerfs, and then the equipment system that nerfed mediums best abilities while generally buffing heavies were too much.

iron hearth Nov 17, 2019, 10:51 PM

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The pramo nerf was the best decisiom wg has ever made , second medium are still strong just look at the twister cup , all teams had at least 2 meds..

gloomy dragon Nov 17, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Heavies are basically meds at this point. Meds have mostly become irrelevant as a class

near wing Nov 17, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Give the t62 its main gun https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-5TS and give it the correct penetration values for the gun

U-5TS

The U-5TS (production designation 2A20) tank gun is a 115 mm-calibre weapon that was fitted exclusively to the Soviet Union's T-62 main battle tank. It was the first smoothbore weapon designed for tanks and heralded the change in main armament from rifled cannons.

nimble zodiac Nov 17, 2019, 10:56 PM

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But it's smoothbore : P

near wing Nov 17, 2019, 11:06 PM

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So? Its only advanced round was apfsds but it also shot apcr heat and he so we dont have to add apfsds

nimble zodiac Nov 17, 2019, 11:15 PM

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I heard smoothbore guns don't go in blitz but idk

drifting depot Nov 17, 2019, 11:16 PM

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Well, the only tank I've seen has a smoothbore gun is the indien panzer, 9cm board kanone 😐

regal grove Nov 18, 2019, 12:22 AM

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Why would you want to buff T-62 though
From what ive seen all tanks are at a somewhat balanced point, or at least the most balanced since 5 years ago

winged barn Nov 18, 2019, 12:42 AM

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Wz120ft, smasher, tiger...

iron lynx Nov 18, 2019, 12:48 AM

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Well, previously we had the T18 tank destroyer that nukes tier 2s with one shot

winged barn Nov 18, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Now we have the smasher that does that at tier 7

hot sun Nov 18, 2019, 12:54 AM

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Bruh vindicator, su152, kv2, su100y (with He) can 1 shot tanks

There are tanks that can 1 shot many tanks in any tier

It can high roll with 1625, it can 1 shot tier9 meds and Bc who dont equip improved assembly, and if any one those tanks are missing 400 some hp, they'll go poof

indigo meadow Nov 18, 2019, 12:58 AM

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What?not even 183 can 1shot a tier 9, unless engine fire

flat bane Nov 18, 2019, 2:19 AM

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It can...

@modern rapids it can lol ---> IF<--- it gets a max role. A lot of T9 meds with a stocked turret have less then 1600HP, so yes, 1625 is higher then 1600.

modern rapids Nov 18, 2019, 2:20 AM

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It can't

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🤔

stoic pebble Nov 18, 2019, 2:27 AM

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The 1500 HP T9 TDs (T30, Wz, Foch) can be one shot by a max roll, whether they have the HP equip or not. Hasn't happened to me but it's possible.

flat bane Nov 18, 2019, 2:33 AM

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@stoic pebble I have seen it a few times, it's rare but it is possible. I notice a lot of 183 players don't use the HESH to their advantage.

dim plover Nov 18, 2019, 2:35 AM

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IS2-sh is such a horrible premium tank, I think that its armour should be buffed because its front hul is paper and it can't even sidescrape thanks to its trash turret and side armour.

formal vale Nov 18, 2019, 2:45 AM

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@dim plover the side armor behind the tracks is the issue along with the rounded edges on the front. The rounded edges are fine imo, but the side armor behind the tracks should be buffed by like 10mm imo

dim plover Nov 18, 2019, 2:54 AM

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yeah i feel like I never take a single bounce, even when I sidescrape. I'm 57.40% overall, with tiers 7 and 8 accounting for about half my battles but on the IS2-sh I'm 45%

iron lynx Nov 18, 2019, 3:33 AM

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Well the T18 regularly oneshots tanks with AP
AP, not HE

fringe anchor Nov 18, 2019, 3:33 AM

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there is no such thing as balance in WoT Blitz, end of discussion

flat bane Nov 18, 2019, 4:00 AM

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:0

whole nebula Nov 18, 2019, 4:40 AM

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Where are we going with this...? High rolling HE in most tanks is just as likely as an ammorack opportunity. Granted the HE side of the argument stems into the HE equipped tanks have 2 cards in the likelyhood deck. The T62 is not a toy. It’s a serious mt with that turret, comparing in tier the m48,stb and e50, it lacks that 1 degree of depression the 140 gets in that turret tradeoff. My biggest tank that creates issues for me in tier ten is typically the E50, and t62, before we start getting into the AMX30B brokenmobile, and the foch155. Looking at the winrates graph russia only gets an honorable mention.

deft owl Nov 18, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Buff 183

dark pike Nov 18, 2019, 4:54 AM

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nerf 183

dense walrus Nov 18, 2019, 4:55 AM

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leave 183 alone

hot sun Nov 18, 2019, 5:16 AM

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Remove 183 :3

fringe anchor Nov 18, 2019, 5:16 AM

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no

latent snow Nov 18, 2019, 6:01 AM

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rework 183?

coarse harness Nov 18, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Sooo many solutions
If they don't remove it they have to make it competitive

indigo knot Nov 18, 2019, 6:27 AM

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All heavies also did get some 4-5% armour buff in some Update (I think it was the one where VK28 got nerfed) while the meds now don't get that same perks like same pramo and normal rounds damage, less heat pen ranging from 290mm to 300mm(330 heat is a sweetspot which you can get with calibrated shells)

solid kayak Nov 18, 2019, 8:23 AM

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Buff chalenger and spic hitpoint

harsh ravine Nov 18, 2019, 8:31 AM

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They haven’t nerf the Foch 155 yet, I’m disappointed

normal geyser Nov 18, 2019, 9:21 AM

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I want em to buff the tigers armor and nerf the speed

craggy osprey Nov 18, 2019, 9:26 AM

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Why is this still a thing! It’s getting posted around as a joke right now... #1 it’s crates, the % chance of each tank is horrible and you don’t get enough to compensate for the price... #2 it’s a bundle of 11 crates... If that’s better... “Hello buy me and you get 5% chance MAX to get one of these tanks” per container and you get 11 containers the chances done change at all, there is a high chance to get 0tanks which is stupid... CAN WE GET A MOD OR SOMEONE TO GIVE A NOTE TO WARGAMING TO MAKE CRATES MORE WORTH IT.... THESE DEALS ARE STEALING PEOPLES MONEY

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hot sun Nov 18, 2019, 9:37 AM

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The best way to get the crate system changed or removed is simple, just dont buy any. If the whole community refuses to buy crates then wg would have to change its approach.

random bear Nov 18, 2019, 9:43 AM

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Foch is getting buffed

tulip imp Nov 18, 2019, 9:44 AM

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Agreed, crates aren't "stealing people's money" if you're stupid enough to buy crates and expect to get something worth the gold you spent you deserve to lose that gold. You aren't forced to buy the crates anyway so just don't buy it. You're better off buying gold for the black Friday event that's about to come soon.

coarse harness Nov 18, 2019, 10:28 AM

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The Cent 1 is in the last two places on the charts since 6.1
With the consumable the Caern can be an all around better Cent for 15 sec

A speed buff to about 45 would be good and maybe the Type B barrel

round sundial Nov 18, 2019, 10:33 AM

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Cent is quite the strong tank actually, the only reason it's so low in charts is because of the long stock grind

unique scaffold Nov 18, 2019, 10:35 AM

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Great gun, meh turret, huge hull with no armor and poor mobility

indigo knot Nov 18, 2019, 10:39 AM

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Cent1 need some top speed buff.....it is huge tank with no armour on hull

olive socket Nov 18, 2019, 10:47 AM

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sullen kiln Nov 18, 2019, 2:17 PM

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@deft owl @dark pike @dense walrus @hot sun @latent snow just leave 183 alone, it already got nerfed

dusky oxide Nov 18, 2019, 2:38 PM

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Amazing idea to buff the Wz-113

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sullen kiln Nov 18, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Winrate does not equal how good a tank is

manic birch Nov 18, 2019, 2:47 PM

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Buff the GuP tanks.

unique scaffold Nov 18, 2019, 3:44 PM

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how can i talk to the team about ban

austere moat Nov 18, 2019, 3:54 PM

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The 183 does not need heavy buffs. In my opinion, the changes that need to be made are this:
Lower aim time
Lower HE/HESH pen quite a bit
Lower AP pen quite a bit
Increase camouflage

Make it less derpy one shotter and more fit to the jageroo role

unique scaffold Nov 18, 2019, 3:57 PM

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@unique scaffold on discord or in game?

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@unique scaffold game

coarse harness Nov 18, 2019, 4:10 PM

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First of all decrease the gold HESH dmg to about 1100 just like on the Conway
And give it more engine power in return
The AP pen is OK considering that it has no HEAT

unique scaffold Nov 18, 2019, 4:12 PM

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@unique scaffold you'll need to file a ticket through the Blitz customer support site. We cannot help you.

noble siren Nov 18, 2019, 4:28 PM

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I really disagree with the buffs on the Chinese tanks. @sullen kiln if that's true let's buff the Maus?

round sundial Nov 18, 2019, 4:41 PM

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@sullen kiln Then let's nerf the 183, it's stats don't matter

indigo knot Nov 18, 2019, 5:17 PM

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183 won't be buffed simply due the reason....its popular and 2 of them in a match and stop whole team from Pushing

graceful ocean Nov 18, 2019, 6:43 PM

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$35 for winning nothing in these dumb crates... I've spent $200+ dollars so far and haven't ever won a damn tank... Please WG pleaseeeeeeee make the rates better, I'm unfortunately done buying crates as In the end I receive 1000 gold for $35 dollars.. worth it?

full token Nov 18, 2019, 6:46 PM

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You spent the money knowing the odds, and that it was possible to not get what you wanted. WG can’t be blamed

unique scaffold Nov 18, 2019, 6:46 PM

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Imo people are dumb for actually buying crates.

formal vale Nov 18, 2019, 7:02 PM

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@graceful ocean you made the conscious decision to make a bad purchase. I've done the same and learned that it's not worth trying with crates anymore. Don't you think it's about time you learned that as well?

unique scaffold Nov 18, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Then again people will never learn since we have 40%ers with the 5 year vet badge and 50k battles

kindred smelt Nov 18, 2019, 7:22 PM

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This is hilarious

cunning pasture Nov 18, 2019, 7:40 PM

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@sullen kiln sure it does, as long as the sample of players is similar to other tanks it’s being compared to. For example, if a premium tank has only been available thru s special event where it was very difficult for players earn the tank, then the average win rate for that tank may be inflated because the players playing it are better than the average player. The best way to look at win rates for a given tank is to compare its average win rate to the win rates in all other tanks driven by the same group of players. It appears that the WR slide posted above looks at average win rates in tanks driven by 55 to 65% players so it’s a fair comparison to look at the win rates for these tanks and make the general assumption that the tanks with the highest win rates that stand out far from the rest are the most OP tanks.

manic birch Nov 18, 2019, 8:21 PM

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The Hetzer Kame SP and the Panzer 4 Anko need buffs.

feral mortar Nov 18, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Yeah hetzer lost its armor

nimble zodiac Nov 18, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Matilda need a reverse on its buffs, it’s quite the bully in tier IV now 😂

noble siren Nov 18, 2019, 9:25 PM

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@unique scaffold without these "dumb" people you won't receive any updates, even not been able to play the game.

quartz crown Nov 18, 2019, 9:48 PM

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idk about you guys but im buying my crates lmao

austere moat Nov 18, 2019, 9:49 PM

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I bought 3 sets and only got a T3485 Victory... The crates are not NA-friendly

unique scaffold Nov 18, 2019, 9:59 PM

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@quartz crown 20$ for 11 crates.... t95e6 again, helsing again, tankenstein again, and badger. @austere moat :)))

austere moat Nov 18, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Well we all know that wargaming has an EU bias... No need to rub it in... again...

unique scaffold Nov 18, 2019, 10:03 PM

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@noble siren whatever, you can support the game without buying crates

quartz crown Nov 18, 2019, 10:05 PM

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@unique scaffold @austere moat I got a badger and enough free xp boosters to make another 350k very easy

unique scaffold Nov 18, 2019, 10:40 PM

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@austere moat I love how you're always crying like EU server has privileges compared to NA. First of all new MM changes are being tested on RU and EU servers because that's where the playerbases are the largest. Also trust me, you're not missing anything as that new system genuinly did nothing... Now you're coming up with a theory that EU gets better rewards from crates which is just hilarious and pathetic at the same time... Apparently wg has an EU server bias because you didn't get anything good from crates and some few people who play on EU did...

The only thing I can think of where a server is better than the other is when EU sells kv220 and NA pz hydro.

Also I am kinda glad that you in particular didn't get high tier premiums because looking at your stats you should be playing T5 or smth, honestly players should be held back in low tiers till they actually somewhat know how to play

indigo knot Nov 18, 2019, 11:05 PM

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Well it is someone's personal preference to buy or not to buy crates.......I won't buy them as I learnt my lesson when the T22 crates were sold

Though on the side note the rewards other than main ones should atleast be more rewarding (MK6 crates when sold had 5% drop chance and 1000 gold on avg per crate so it was kinda not that bad as now they are)
In other games the there is crate system but the side rewards are somewhat satisfactory even if you don't get the main reward

unique scaffold Nov 18, 2019, 11:05 PM

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@unique scaffold he was clearly joking....u just did not get it, do not statshame please. Last sentence of yours was very very rude. Are you good enough though then??? I was talking to the guy in PM before and we laughed about this, this was 100% a joke...

flat bane Nov 18, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Remove all tanks from the game

unique scaffold Nov 18, 2019, 11:12 PM

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@unique scaffold chill down dude or I have to warn you for unnecessary drama

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No this wasn't a joke, he complains all the time how EU has a special treatment and how wg doesn't care about NA... Also it might be rude but it's the truth, you shouldn't have a high tier tanks if you're not good enough

Well go ahead if you feel like I deserved a warn

flat bane Nov 18, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Ay what's going on here? It's like WW8

worthy portal Nov 19, 2019, 12:50 AM

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Can you buff atleast M103's front??

nimble zodiac Nov 19, 2019, 1:14 AM

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No, hulldown when you can, that's a kinda strong point about it

unique scaffold Nov 19, 2019, 1:16 AM

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Buff the shield of america, the T28

empty copper Nov 19, 2019, 2:41 AM

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And the Prot please. Huge weak spots in the turret cheeks and oh so slow... P44 shoots through it from the front every single time. Teams disappear off while you try and keep up, and it's impossible to carry in something that slow with such soft sides & slow traverse

manic birch Nov 19, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Buff the Luchs.

nimble zodiac Nov 19, 2019, 2:59 AM

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no point in buffing the luchs, they're collector tanks ._.

flat bane Nov 19, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Buff WZ-120s gun depression on its 122mm. 3 degrees is way too little at T9. I'll take 4 lmao

frigid basin Nov 19, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Maybe the T28 prototype should be buffed. At least more speed.

crude kite Nov 19, 2019, 4:38 AM

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Pls nerf amx 30 per1 that so strong
That relord time same 54 but that fast more then 54 ,and that can shot more then -6 ,but 54 can shot only -5 this is not fair that so strong

hot sun Nov 19, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Amx has better gd, speed and and penetration. T54 has better armor and camo concealment. Both have same view range. They are both tanks that thrive on different playstyles. But I wont disagree that the amx 30 1er can out perform other meds at tier 9.

round sundial Nov 19, 2019, 5:06 AM

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I'd say that T54 is becoming more and more powercreeped. It just isn't what it used to be. The gun is quite trash, the only saving grace is HEAT as pramo. It has pretty poor DPM for what it is, not impressive alpha and exceptionally bad accuracy for a T9 medium tank. The armour may be good, but T9 tanks pen the turret and hull relatively easily, and even then, finding positions for the tank is not easy with 5 degrees of gun dep.

Compared to the 30 1er, it's only advantage seems to be hull armour and better pramo, and apparently a bit of camo. Then again, about the hull armour, half of the 30 1er's hull is autobounce for 120mm and less, and the sides have spaced armour so no HEing the side like T54..

drifting depot Nov 19, 2019, 5:41 AM

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Well I would say it's really unfun to fight against a t54 at close range ._.

flat bane Nov 19, 2019, 5:43 AM

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Nvm don't buff wz-120s gun depression on its 122mm

austere moat Nov 19, 2019, 5:59 AM

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wow Gneiss
Yes, I was joking. I am somewhat salty that my RNG is terrible, but I know it is not because of bias, just pure luck. Just because you disagree with a lot of what I say doesn't mean you need to literally brick wall everything I say...

Watch: I am going to say Nerf the Tiger II, and he will disagree.

Just because you don't like me doesn't mean you need to oppose EVERY SINGLE THING I SAY.

thorny sage Nov 19, 2019, 6:10 AM

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The tiger 2 doesn’t need a nerf at all

drifting depot Nov 19, 2019, 7:00 AM

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Sp 1 c needing a buff asap ._.

indigo knot Nov 19, 2019, 7:07 AM

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@round sundial when you say T54 has lucklusture DPM I say it has 3 best dpm among all the meds and it has not powercreept at all....it can easily dominate a battle when top tiered and the hull better than it tier 10 big bros..... About gun depression most of the Russian tanks have only 5 deg and it is enough to make it work as everyone does in their Ruski tanks.... The turret is troll enough to get bounces especially when I tier 8-9 matchups..... Lemme ask you how often have you been able to He sides of T54 with 150-155mm gun

The state of the T54 that you are saying it is not was when Russian meds used to rule the blitz and when it had 300+ heat pen and rock hard turret

Well it has 2900+ dpm with full consumables and that is 3rd best in its tier and its class.....and thats is mostly how bottom tiers are when facing higher tiers and if it were to be on par with tier 10s or somewhat competitive to them then it would be godly when in tier 8-9 match ups...well thats your playstyle...I use more dpm gun with rammer so I have no dpm issue and you need to sacrifice dpm if you want that much heat pen

round sundial Nov 19, 2019, 7:10 AM

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I don't play TDs, so not too often. But when I play E100 and I get to meet the T54, I can HE his side very often. And when I said it has lackluster DPM, I meant that it has 2700 DPM for a T9 med which relies on staying close to the enemy and brawling. That is quite low tbh for what it's role is supposed to be. And sure, T54 is one of the tanks which excell when top tier, but when playing vs T10, it's got nothing to offer really E: @indigo knot It has 2915 (or so) DPM with the low pen gun. Which means 201mm pen at T9. That is just not enough. I use this gun with calibrated shells, which means about 2700 DPM for 211 AP and 297 HEAT pen

deft owl Nov 19, 2019, 7:30 AM

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Buff 183

dark pike Nov 19, 2019, 7:33 AM

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no

round sundial Nov 19, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Nerf 183

unique scaffold Nov 19, 2019, 7:35 AM

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rework 183... @distant river not kill the thing. Give HESH lower alpha, just like the conway has, and better camo

distant river Nov 19, 2019, 7:37 AM

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Remove 183 HESH and nerf the HE pen, then it can be buffed

tulip imp Nov 19, 2019, 9:58 AM

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or just remove 183

solid kayak Nov 19, 2019, 10:24 AM

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Buff armor of ARL

formal forge Nov 19, 2019, 11:30 AM

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Panther 2 really needs an buff. It should continue the theme of the Panther 1 (DPM). Yes it has already great dpm for his class but it is very weak in his tier. Basically Panther 2 is an Tiger 1 placed to the tier 8 but with an small litte buff for his gun. (Reduced dispersion and add 1 degree of gun depression) But that isnt enough to be an good tank in tier 8.

silk stratus Nov 19, 2019, 2:17 PM

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I think Panther 2 is bad because every other tank in that line is really good

unique scaffold Nov 19, 2019, 2:25 PM

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@solid kayak if it needed an armor buff, it would have to be on the turret so that people would be less stupid and shoot there

round sundial Nov 19, 2019, 3:49 PM

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It should be one of 2 things

Either Panther 1 successor - meh everything but gun, so either give 2600-2700DPM with L/71 or give L/100 with 2300-2400 DPM and leave everything else meh like it is

Or E50 predecessor, which would mean buffing the upper plate significantly and nerf the gun to balance it out.

I think the first idea would fit in the game better

unique scaffold Nov 19, 2019, 4:07 PM

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Arl is the best t6 tank and is spammed in t6 tournaments because that way bad teams can win against good ones

ionic kayak Nov 19, 2019, 4:58 PM

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plz buff armor of Lowe

sudden berry Nov 19, 2019, 4:59 PM

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WG why you buffing Chinese tanks if they are balanced and not getting out of schedule of tier X tanks you post on dev answers?

unique scaffold Nov 19, 2019, 5:04 PM

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🤦 🤦 @ionic kayak

full willow Nov 19, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Fv215b 183 needs buff, right now its horrible to drive, its so bad

austere moat Nov 19, 2019, 5:26 PM

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It doesn't need a buff, it needs a rework to make it more fitting of it's playstyle. Issue is, if they buff it, it will be broken. That's why it was removed on PC.
In my opinion, it needs slightly reduced AP penetration, greatly reduced HE and HESH penetration, better aim time, and better camouflage.

hm, exact same thoughts as Maximov... Interesting.
That's what I had put down yesterday evening in my balance changes list so I would say you nabbed?

unique scaffold Nov 19, 2019, 5:37 PM

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@austere moat nab ! i can't nab cuz i am nabproof

languid whale Nov 19, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Something I want to point out and it was in a recent YT video
The T44 for a while back then was a great tank and some could argue that it still is. But after playing other Russian style mediums(Type 59, Mod 1, and I some cases T34-2) the T-44 has felt so power creeped that it makes you wonder why Wargaming haven't given it any buffs to make it competitive at the Russian medium role, sure it's a good tank, but why play it when there are so many other better options.

austere moat Nov 19, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Make it more of a stealth Jageroo than a derpy monster gun

lunar niche Nov 19, 2019, 5:44 PM

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It used to be a stealthy Jageroo. Giving more camo to a turreted TD is not a good idea unless it can be HEd from all sides.

austere moat Nov 19, 2019, 6:08 PM

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No, it used to be a stealthy jageroo that can hit for 1400. Remove that ability and it will be better

full token Nov 19, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Same but I keep getting good teams

formal forge Nov 19, 2019, 7:14 PM

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Everyone has at least an let say... Not an good player in their team. Mm is hard to fix. They can do like: everyone has (also the enemy) the same wr let say: 55-56% but it cant so is their wr stuck forever. So for now mm is not good but its very hard to fix it. Also i think this shouldn’t be in the Balance-discussion.

formal forge Nov 19, 2019, 7:44 PM

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I hope they think about nerfs and major buffs in the next update. There is now some broken tanks riding around and dominating the game (especially premuim tanks). Here is my idea’s.

Nerfs.

Standard B.
Nerf his HE pen its very high now something like 90-100mm. Nerf it lower to around at least <75mm

Foch 155 (2 shells autoloading gun)
Add more reload time form around 12.2s (about that) to 15s also add more dispersion.

Object 263
Reduce his trackwheel hp.

Is-4
Most noob-friendly tank. Reduce his frontal lowerplate and upperplate armor.

Premuim tanks. (Probably they wont)
Skorpion G.
Add dispersion and aim time. I found the Skor G now very annoying.

Wz-120-1FT
The name says all. Just nerf the whole tank.

Smasher.
Nerf his accuraty.

Badger
Nerf the upperplate. It especially hard to pen when in a meduim tank.

Buffs :D

Panther 2
Now its an very hard tank to play. It has no armor at all. Its big about the size of an Tiger 1. It needs be an better Panther 1 but it isn’t at all. Give it like way more turret armor cuz it isn’t angeld at all. Form 150mm-200mm (or something like that.

Panzer 4 anko
Give it better accuracy and gun handeling.

Sta-1(?)
I found everytime fighting against this tank easy. I think it needs an armor buff, the turret. The turret armor is now almost non-existence even his gun mantlet. Give it an small armor buff for his mantlet and small places next to the mantlet.

Is-2 (chinese one)
This tank... is awful. Its an bad copy of the Soviet line IS. The Soviet one is far better. Give it an armor buff by his hull. Form 90mm to around 100mm+.

T-44-100
Uhh it rly needs an buff it is weaker then his brother: T-44. But i dont got any idea’s what the 44-100 buff will be.

Tortoise
Clearly an armor buff. Its the same armor thickness of the at 15. (Not sure) That spots next to the gun are easily to pen. Increase the armor there to make it they shoot the most on the cupola.

rigid wigeon Nov 19, 2019, 7:51 PM

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I am pounding my head against the wall after reading that

formal forge Nov 19, 2019, 7:54 PM

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ಠ_ಠ

austere moat Nov 19, 2019, 7:58 PM

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I am working (slowly) on a more detailed form of that

coarse dawn Nov 19, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Wargaming should please remember to change repair costs for the T49 to normal levels since new T9/10 american light tanks will be added so it is no longer end of the line.

orchid grove Nov 19, 2019, 8:18 PM

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Nah, they should keep it expensive to run so that it won’t be spammed

indigo knot Nov 19, 2019, 8:31 PM

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About time Bat chat and T54e1 should get alpha buff to 350 keeping DPM same considering that autoreloaders have 350 alpha while having luxury to act like a single shot medium too

coarse dawn Nov 19, 2019, 8:31 PM

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I dont think the expensive costs would stop people from playing any tanks, not effectively at least. People still play tier 10 normally and the T49 has repair costs of T10 tanks. Besides if repair costs really are the only thing preventing specific tank spam then there are deeper problems with the tank and hence better solutions to fix it.
However the original idea of the high repair costs was because T49 is the last USA LT, and since it no longer is there isnt any reason to punish players for playing a fun tank.

orchid grove Nov 19, 2019, 8:38 PM

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@coarse dawn High costs do prevent people from playing tanks. T49 is really expensive to run because the HE shells are premium, and the repair costs are high. And because of that, how many T49’s do you see compared to 183’s and KV-2’s? It’s not even close.

coarse dawn Nov 19, 2019, 8:48 PM

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I see T49s a lot in game at least 1 per T8 game I play, but saying that would only be subjective.
T49 according to blitzstars that we all know and love has the highest amount of playtime amongst all light tanks in T7/8/9/10 with an average battle time equal to +-6secs to all other LTs within that tier range. I might be wrong, but I dont think T49 is underplayd or uncommon.
If their really is a need to keep the tanks populations under control there are better ways of doing so. Because if the only way to keep people from spamming T49s is the repair costs then it isnt very effective if at all. The repair costs are only punishing players ineffectively.

updated above

errant warren Nov 19, 2019, 9:07 PM

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austere moat Nov 19, 2019, 9:08 PM

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T49 = good tank
Waffletraktor = good tank

gloomy dragon Nov 19, 2019, 9:29 PM

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I just wanna say that the costs for a t49 player who uses the derp are absurd sometimes (upwards of -50k or more on a win), but I've mostly stopped caring about credit loss since my other tanks let me stay credit neutral at least. The real prohibitive thing causing the expense of driving the t49 is two fold: the ammo performance (it's basically HE or nothing when the HEAT round is almost guaranteed to be useless, not to mention that module damage is paltry for what it is) and the ammo prices.

I'm not advocating to make it cheaper since that'd just make it easier for literally everyone to drive it regularly, but it would be nice to have a moderate performance boost in some form for the people who do know what theyre doing to be able to carry more reliably. Personally i would like a moderate pen buff on the HEAT and some more module damage in its rounds (just not pre-nerf levels, that was blatantly broken).

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 2:27 AM

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Looks to me like tier 8 light tanks all need a buff. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/502017295107883008/638291490946416654/6.3_-_tier_8.png

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Especially the T49 and RU.

drowsy plaza Nov 20, 2019, 2:35 AM

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Yes please buff Ru and T49 😎

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T49 clearly needs a buff 😋

fringe anchor Nov 20, 2019, 2:38 AM

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I agree, we need 900 dmg HE

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 2:42 AM

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Just going off the charts¯_(ツ)_/¯

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@unique scaffold knowing wargaming they will make the T49 buff ATGMs

formal vale Nov 20, 2019, 2:57 AM

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I disagree. Light tanks are supposed to be objectively hard to play as they're not damage dealers. Their average damages are right where they should be. And given that they have no armor, people will struggle with them more often than not. They're perfectly fine where they are @unique scaffold

P.S. This is coming from someone who absolutely loves light tanks and medium tanks btw.

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Same here T49 is alright same with RU

fringe anchor Nov 20, 2019, 2:58 AM

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M41 gud High Mobility

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Personally I think they are fine. I'm just going off of the metrics.

austere moat Nov 20, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Same... T8 lights don't really need buffs.

formal vale Nov 20, 2019, 3:27 AM

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@unique scaffold Fair enough. But in my eyes they're exactly where they should be based off of the stats. They shouldn't have average damage comparable to medium tanks (at least the competitive ones anyways) and their win rates should be generally lower than medium tanks. Their job is to spot and not die. (If they had survival rates up there that would be very interesting tbh)

nimble zodiac Nov 20, 2019, 3:29 AM

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There's no survival rate on that chart ._.

crystal spoke Nov 20, 2019, 3:31 AM

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Unfortunately

gloomy dragon Nov 20, 2019, 3:41 AM

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I still think the RU needs more ammo capacity. I cant take potshots when I can easily run out of ammo so easily.

bold dagger Nov 20, 2019, 4:34 AM

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how is this our reality

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like, how can this possibly happen

austere moat Nov 20, 2019, 4:38 AM

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YES!!! Thank you!! SOMEONE noticed!

flat bane Nov 20, 2019, 4:52 AM

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😂

gloomy dragon Nov 20, 2019, 5:22 AM

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Cuz the pta sucks for non 55-65% (and the other is kinda broken)

indigo knot Nov 20, 2019, 6:05 AM

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Now that I think why did Wz113 get alpha buff .....
It might be a reason that they might introduce Wz111 5A in Christmas and make it kinda better than rest of the peers ....while 113 is susceptible for a change but 5a won't be all due to the simple statement that WG always makes "the no of players playing the tank are are not much so we can't modify the stats"

@flat bane some Russian site did say it was going to be collector
And WG would have started bragging about it if it were going to be tech tree.....it will be this years 500$ tank

coarse harness Nov 20, 2019, 6:08 AM

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They make the 113 OP so the 5A will be slightly worse
Then the nerf the 113😇

flat bane Nov 20, 2019, 6:09 AM

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5A coming in tech tree hopefully

@deft crescent @indigo knot oml there's already 8 T10 prems/collectables, soon there's going to be more prems then tech tree tanks.

deft crescent Nov 20, 2019, 6:10 AM

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@flat baneits probably gonna be another Christmas tank.

coarse harness Nov 20, 2019, 7:33 AM

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@indigo knot then you'll have to change your name😔

indigo knot Nov 20, 2019, 7:45 AM

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Well I had this for almost 4 months....
Rip me

static sierra Nov 20, 2019, 7:59 AM

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Hum

stuck turret Nov 20, 2019, 8:24 AM

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I don't have a problem with wargaming selling premium tank at all tiers, because frankly speaking i want WG to make money and how many players buy them in the first place and even if they do, after a few battle (say 100+/-) they get bored and move on. My problem is the easy tier progression. I have an issue with players with just 5000 battles owning 5 tier 10's (as an eg). These guy just grind at 36% wr and spoil the game. Infact WG is losing good player and premium (money paying) players because of these free to play whippersnapper. I think they should not allow any player to progress beyond 7 unless they reach atleast 4000 battles or buy a premium tank. Back in the days when spare parts were hard to get that was still the case and with lower tiers having several tanks most of the newbies could enjoy even at lower tier, but now with all those tanks gone no one wants to stay at lower tiers. Couple of weeks ago I open a new account and I was about to grind up to Panthera 44 in approximately 200 combined battles( tier 1 to 8), which is ludicrous imo. Anyways I don't think WG has any long term strategy. They simply want to survive for a few more months, if not years.

indigo knot Nov 20, 2019, 8:44 AM

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Well good for me won't have much regrets when I leave the game after seeing the state of game during Christmas

stuck turret Nov 20, 2019, 9:21 AM

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@indigo knot WZ1115A is coming as premium... so silly of WG Blitz...

fringe apex Nov 20, 2019, 12:07 PM

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@stuck turret i think it would be better to block them if a certain wr isnt reach

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 12:10 PM

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I think players should realize that, A. This isn't the channel to complain about matchmaking in. And, B. Subpar players are part of the game. Deal with it and carry harder.

round sundial Nov 20, 2019, 12:30 PM

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If there are no noobs, there are no pros 🤷‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️

noble siren Nov 20, 2019, 12:48 PM

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Is there alternative gun for Vk72 because in Armor Inspector there is 2 kinds of Vk72 with different guns. There is a longer gun on the same tank. If somebody knows plz explain.

silk stratus Nov 20, 2019, 1:37 PM

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No there’s only one gun

nimble zodiac Nov 20, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Maybe it’s the console tank, that actually has 2 guns.

noble siren Nov 20, 2019, 2:06 PM

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This one I meant

📎 Screenshot_2019-11-20-16-06-28-931_com.dreamfarmgames.wot.armorinspector.android2.jpg

humble spear Nov 20, 2019, 2:11 PM

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that's a tech tree tank for WoT PC, the VK 45.02b leads to that tank instead, while the VK 72.01 K is a clan wars reward tank

lunar niche Nov 20, 2019, 2:24 PM

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@noble siren The VK 90.01 P will be the Pz VII in blitz.

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 2:29 PM

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Nah, vk90 is like a tX vk 45b it looks and is nothing like vk72 /panzer 7

noble siren Nov 20, 2019, 3:09 PM

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I thought it would be a good change

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 3:57 PM

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I mean that's a completely different tank

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Guys the point of giving 113 420 damage is for it to compete with the FV215B that has all the op consumables. So now u make the choice of using the tank with good consumables or the tank with good damage numbers.

orchid grove Nov 20, 2019, 4:45 PM

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@indigo knot well they butchered the 5A’s gun. Only the same DPM as an E5, and the same 303mm APCR pen as the IS-7 instead of 340mm HEAT

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unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 4:48 PM

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@orchid grove told you to not get your hopes up

indigo knot Nov 20, 2019, 4:56 PM

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@orchid grove thanks for the info👍
Well now it is a less armoured high dpm IS7

round sundial Nov 20, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Well we don't know the armour values. I see 140mm nominal front, that may make the UFP stronger or as strong depending on the angle. And side 120, if it has 120mm everywhere on the side, that's more than IS7

orchid grove Nov 20, 2019, 5:18 PM

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@round sundial those values give me little reason to doubt that the armor profile be any different from the PC model (and that 120mm side is only the top part, lower part is just 80mm)

indigo knot Nov 20, 2019, 5:20 PM

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@orchid grove yeah armour values are kinda similar to that of PC if I remember

round sundial Nov 20, 2019, 5:34 PM

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I am not familiar with the PC counterpart. Also if this is true and it stays the way it is, it's gonna be quite the trash tbh

indigo knot Nov 20, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Well it might get buffed....
113 during test phase was also bad but when it was launched it was good rather quite competitive if I remember

orchid grove Nov 20, 2019, 5:47 PM

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I kinda hope it stays like this. If it's a collector tank, it won't be some new stupid comp meta tank like the T-22, and if it's a tech tree, well, WG can always rebalance it how they choose

noble siren Nov 20, 2019, 6:33 PM

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@unique scaffold why don't we give it a better gun option to compensate for everything. Nearly everything can brawl against it without problem. By giving it a better gun option it would be a little more competitive tank.

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Or just reduce reload of the existing gun and buff the rounded parts of the hull a bit, that tank is pretty bad

modest lotus Nov 20, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Bat chat needs a buff. Progetto has made it pretty lack luster. I see three good ways to buff it. One could be to lower the drum from 14sec to 10. Or the alpha of each shot could be increased. Or adding a forth shot could work

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 7:25 PM

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350 alpha and a 4th shot

indigo knot Nov 20, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Alpha should be increased to 350 atleast not sure about 4th shot....or make it like PC where it can delete a medium tank with a clip with astronomical time in magazine reload

charred bobcat Nov 20, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Since when did a Batchat need such a powerful gun? It's a light tank...

iron hearth Nov 20, 2019, 7:42 PM

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haven't seen a batchat in months now 😔

orchid grove Nov 20, 2019, 7:44 PM

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@charred bobcat Because it should be a medium

modest lotus Nov 20, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Lol ur name says it all @orchid grove 👏👏🙌🙌

twilit crystal Nov 20, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Oh yes such a light tank WOW, much speed, checks hp/ton ratio, same as the 30b,leo 1 and obj 140. Its fast but not really much faster than those 3 which have much bigger advantages in firepower and armor besides the leo .The batchats firepower is laughably bad

charred bobcat Nov 20, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Yeah and that's why we see so many 30bs and Leos in tournaments taking the role of the Batchat right? Lmao Batchat doesnt need more firepower.

twilit crystal Nov 20, 2019, 8:07 PM

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again add a tier x light like the 13 105 . The batchat has a decent role in tourneys but its useless in 50% of pub matches

fringe apex Nov 20, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Bât chat is really efficient with a great team to support only

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Which never really happens

noble siren Nov 20, 2019, 8:28 PM

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B-C is maybe the only tier 10 tank in which I can afford to troll and still carry the game. The tank is really good, it's not meant to brawl against mediums, you need to choose a single target or show urself, empty ur baguette and then relocate. It even has the best troll armor in the game.

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 8:51 PM

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WG need to Rebalance Higher tiers and make the game a little bit Slow paced now. Average Random Battle time goes like 2.30 minutes and game finished. Consequences of Balancing lower tiers made easy for Non-Experienced players reach Higher tiers quickly and messing up big time. And WG keeps on buffing higher tier mediums and HT makes it more easy to finish battle quicker. Which is resulting Bad in my honest Opinion. It has also resulted in more loose in compare to achievable Wins.

round sundial Nov 20, 2019, 9:05 PM

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It's already slow enough when TDs sit in a bush and noone can move. You are wrong and should reconsider your opinions @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 9:13 PM

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@round sundial TDs been sitting behind Bush since this game was released 5 years back, but since then Matchmaking rules have changed a lot for not having more of same type of tank in one battle. 2 TD behind bush in one battle facing 3 or 4 MT/LT with non-experience rush driving makes it more easy to end game quickly now. The problem are More Non-Experienced players on higher tiers VIII-X.

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 9:34 PM

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WG blitz didn't even gave the In-Game Detailed Theory about how to use Nation based types of Tanks written material in a column/section for Non-Experienced players to understand how to be effective at using the tank properly which they research at such fast pace from lower tiers towards mid tiers. Just reading stats doesn't teaches any one new to game anything. It all bounces in their brain.

drowsy plaza Nov 20, 2019, 10:31 PM

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@unique scaffold buffing Mediums in high tier? Uhm did you miss 3.8 and 3.9, which significantly hurt Meds more than others.

arctic sluice Nov 20, 2019, 10:52 PM

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New buff of chifeten is a JOKE
I know WG buffed it as 50mm > 100mm
But still it's nothing in T8
Maybe now it won't be pen by HE
But i really wanted this to be block AP

So suggestion is Make it harder to pen
The shape of the cupola have round thing front so make it was 2 layer of Armor

Make the front one harder to pen
Or the other one

📎 Screenshot_20191121-074815_Samsung_Notes.jpg

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Turning it into a toe will solve the problem 🤣

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Or just remove the hatch completely because powercreep and poor balancing seems to be a theme lately

round sundial Nov 20, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Or you do nothing because it is not the worst tank in the game and there are better candidates for reworks and buffs and nerfs

austere moat Nov 20, 2019, 11:10 PM

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coughs in Leopard PT A
And IS-2
And T28
and AT-8

unique scaffold Nov 20, 2019, 11:11 PM

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@drowsy plaza update 3.9 was all about Premium ammunition Damage numbers decrease, also with few HT like e100 churchill, black prince, etc getting increased peneteration on AP. Also not to forget IS7 turret traverse numbers were decreased. Giving fair few advantage to Meds basically.
While Update 3.8 was all about new equipment systems.
It was the Update 3.6 where the peneterations were nerfed for high tiers Mediums.

drowsy plaza Nov 20, 2019, 11:19 PM

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Ah yes

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But 3.8 equipment butchered the effects of the rammer.

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So higher DPM tanks lost ‘more’

manic birch Nov 21, 2019, 12:05 AM

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@drowsy plaza They need to buff the luchs.

night flame Nov 21, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Delete 183 from game completely. So useless nowadays. Driving it is agonizing pain. When I see it in red team I'm happy

thick rover Nov 21, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Batchat supposed to be a medium, and still have same camo on the go as stationary? You can’t have both can you

jade cargoBOT Nov 21, 2019, 12:58 AM

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dynoSuccess Minato#0975 has been warned.

manic birch Nov 21, 2019, 1:05 AM

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What now?

formal vale Nov 21, 2019, 1:43 AM

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Some people really dont know the point of that hatch do they? The whole reason why they gave it the hatch is to prevent the Chieftain/T95 from being too dominant in hull down situations. It would practically outclass the Caernarvon if it had no cupola. I dont get how people dont see this.

Be happy that they made it un-HEable. That's all you need to make the tank work. Hell they even gave it penetration and dispersion buffs because why not? It's just way more comfortable to play now.

I'd also like to highlight that the Chieftain/T95 was one of my favorite tanks before the buff, so this patch is only a plus. You struggling with the cupola is not indicative of it needing another buff.

crystal spoke Nov 21, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Shhhhh any buff is good for one of my favorite heavies

~~even if entirely unnecessary~~

formal vale Nov 21, 2019, 5:28 AM

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@crystal spoke I mean it was probably warranted, but, like you said, it was entirely unnecessary. The Chieftain/T95 did have abnormally low pen and a strangely troll gun. These should be fixed as of this patch 👍

crystal spoke Nov 21, 2019, 5:39 AM

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Lol yeah I didnt entirely word it right but what I ment was I'd be happy even if it got an unnecessary buff for instance elevation by a degree

noble siren Nov 21, 2019, 6:19 AM

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I got back my WT to see how it performs and man it feels good. Literally the first game an Ace against tier 10. Grille should at least have to be made with the same performance, not like now to have worse (the tank is still good).

night flame Nov 21, 2019, 6:30 AM

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Is there a way to see all history of buffs/nerfs on a vehicle - per update? Blitzhangar, right?

indigo knot Nov 21, 2019, 6:33 AM

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Bruh WT is kinda OP at its tier..... It is a 9.5 tier tank

noble siren Nov 21, 2019, 6:40 AM

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@indigo knot it's OP if you know how to play it properly

sleek pebble Nov 21, 2019, 7:17 AM

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Now that ATGMs have been balanced, could we get back T49A pernamently, please?

Once the tech tree ATGM tanks are added to the game, of course

hot sun Nov 21, 2019, 7:43 AM

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Hasn't really been balanced yet, that's why it is in test phase rn :/

sleek pebble Nov 21, 2019, 7:46 AM

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Read the edit too

indigo knot Nov 21, 2019, 7:51 AM

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Sheridan heat pen 340 smh.... should be nerfed to 280 or 290

hot sun Nov 21, 2019, 7:59 AM

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The armor profile is interesting to say the least lol.
And yea lol, the whole tank is cover in spaced armor apparently

indigo knot Nov 21, 2019, 8:01 AM

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You mean Sheridans???
Spaced armour all around so that you can't get HE penned unlike poor Leos and Batchats

sleek pebble Nov 21, 2019, 8:05 AM

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640 for HE seems fine to me, considering many tier10 tanks have 640 alpha for AP, not HE

shy wren Nov 21, 2019, 8:17 AM

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Hmm, 1000m/s velocity on those ATMs on Blitz Hangar, doesn’t give much time for guiding towards targets.

Dunno about the 640 alpha HE it gets, like the KpfPz 70’s HE

indigo knot Nov 21, 2019, 8:28 AM

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I hope WG balances Progetto M46 mod 35 tier 8 premium.....the state it is currently in it can outclass every medium at its tier

Well it is OP if it releases in its current state

Though from what I have heard only Chimera will be sold in this update

iron hearth Nov 21, 2019, 8:29 AM

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It will be realeased this friday or the next one there is no more time to nerf it

unique scaffold Nov 21, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Yeah no whoops I read uptop and not this

coarse harness Nov 21, 2019, 5:02 PM

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@shy wren only the HEAT is missle with 30 m/s velocity
The other shells are normal ones

shy wren Nov 21, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Hmm, I thought that both standard and premium rounds on the Sheridan are ATGMs @coarse harness

quasi tiger Nov 21, 2019, 5:14 PM

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@sleek pebble T49A is way too good for T7 it would ruin the MM at that tier spread. Putting a high alpha gun on a fast tank at that low of a tier is dumb no one would ever play tier 6-7 lightly armored vehicle just to lose half their health to an HE rocket

drowsy plaza Nov 21, 2019, 5:17 PM

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@shy wren no just the HEAT, the APCR and HE are conventional

shy wren Nov 21, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Hm, is this just for testing purposes? I hope that they won’t lock the ATGMs as premium ammo if it comes through

EDIT: Guess I read wrong :/
Thought it was ATGMs for both standard and premium

drowsy plaza Nov 21, 2019, 5:19 PM

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No, the HEAT missile will be premium.

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Right now (well over the next few weeks) WG will review how the Sheridan performs with testers in all regions. As I understand it, If the ATGM is over performing, it may be removed and a standard HEAT round used as premiums. As well as any other tweaks to vehicle stats that occurs when vehicles are tested.

sleek pebble Nov 21, 2019, 5:26 PM

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i have mixed feelings about these new tech tree tanks then

@quasi tiger they could always nerf the T49A however they want, for balance purposes (e.g. lower mobility, less alpha...etc)

drowsy plaza Nov 21, 2019, 5:30 PM

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@quasi tiger the new Missile mechanic will make the T49A a lot less fearsome, if it is brought back. No aimlock on the missile

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The entire idea of the missile is to make a situational item. Not a death ray

shy wren Nov 21, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Has anyone encountered a Sheridan yet?

formal vale Nov 21, 2019, 5:34 PM

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The only issue I see is the HE damage. I'd like to have it be 780 like the T49. I can speak from experience with the KPZ-70 that 640 HE damage is extremely underwhelming. 560 APCR damage is really nice though.

quasi tiger Nov 21, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Missiles or not, what I remember from that past event is that they did way too much damage for guns on something that fast and would just be the bane of light tanks and paper Tds. I was grinding the Nashorn at the time and it was not fun getting hit with HE rockets that I couldn’t avoid. The only tanks that do similar damage are cumbersome and inaccurate vehicles like the KV-2 and vindicator

orchid grove Nov 21, 2019, 5:38 PM

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@drowsy plaza The big problem with T49A is that it’s still basically just the T49 moved down a tier. The missiles can be obnoxious, but it’s broken because it does the same damage as the tier 8, with light tank mobility against squishier tanks

drowsy plaza Nov 21, 2019, 5:50 PM

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@orchid grove I put same control mode on halfway during the event as I’m a touch player and was NOT enjoying KBM missiles. IIRC that was before T49 had module dmg nerf. The ammo racks the 49A caused where the biggest issue, but I ran my Comet a lot in that event and 49A’s where not an issue for it. I don’t expect the 49A to return. Especially since the 49 isn’t getting missiles.

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Besides Smasher > T49A

twilit crystal Nov 21, 2019, 5:53 PM

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@orchid grove also the t49a had 185 heat pen at tier 7. Very effective. T49 has 150 at 8 which is pants. But the arty mode was overrated on KBM. It was mostly just to troll. Most shots could have been done without arty

indigo knot Nov 21, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Can we see some balancing of tier 10s
Foch155 ....it is the 3 update after its new autoloader introduction and stats are best at its tier by a huge margin but is still not getting nerfed
Progetto M46....decrease its alpha or Dpm and change the reload making the 1st shell reloading to be longest
2nd shell a bit less and 3rd shell the shortest

And lastly if you want to introduce consumables then introduce them for every nation or remove them completely.... Atleast then there will be a level playing field

crystal spoke Nov 21, 2019, 6:49 PM

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There going to add consumables for every nation just in stages

distant river Nov 21, 2019, 6:50 PM

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...which is possibly one of the worst balence ideas in existence, but hey thats WG for you

charred bobcat Nov 21, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Mobile autoaim with lookout bar was deadlier than kbm autoaim @drowsy plaza
And no, the main part that made the t49a op was the missiles being able to be directed with autoaim. It allowed people to hit the roofs of tanks that were in cover at ease. @twilit crystal

drowsy plaza Nov 21, 2019, 6:52 PM

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@charred bobcat every time I tried to use lookout bar on mobile my auto-aim left the target.

twilit crystal Nov 21, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Yup mobile autoaim was more op. My clan used it to great effect in tourneys. It could go behind full cover while pc really didnt. PC was only useful against tanks at the edge of cover or hull down or for memes

austere moat Nov 21, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Seeing as everyone has thoughts, here's mine so far (incomplete)
Comments are appreciated

📎 Tank_Changes_Edited_and_saved.docx

orchid grove Nov 21, 2019, 7:03 PM

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I never got connected by a single KB/M arty shot. Every single hit I took from a T49A was from some nub who just YOLO’d and shot at point blank

unique scaffold Nov 21, 2019, 7:09 PM

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I landed some absolutely ridiculous shots that honestly had no place landing with the KBM T49.

twilit crystal Nov 21, 2019, 7:11 PM

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I think I got hit by arty 2 or 3 times

charred bobcat Nov 21, 2019, 7:14 PM

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That's probably because the general blitz population (~48%) didn't know about the autoaim feature. Doesn't dismiss the fact that the autoaim was broken.

drowsy plaza Nov 21, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Oh I got hit a bunch by top attack - it 🛑’d after I put same control on.

unique scaffold Nov 21, 2019, 7:15 PM

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I remember CJ raging at me because I nailed her behind cover while she was driving the Comet. Hell we were friends and livid rage doesn't come close to describing the anger that she directed at me that day.

Tbf I knew going in that she hated the missiles so I intentionally shot her in the most ridiculous way possible.

drowsy plaza Nov 21, 2019, 7:16 PM

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Either way (touch or KBM) auto-aim for the missile was broken - as their needed to be traverse limits etc in place. The new method appears to have solved that. It’s going to take a steady hand to land hits - and next to impossible to do it and drive like a lunatic

twilit crystal Nov 21, 2019, 8:22 PM

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Oh I did it plenty of times both kbm and mobile . Mobile was trickier to learn but much more powerful

rigid onyx Nov 21, 2019, 8:42 PM

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I think that the T1 Heavy is WAY too OP. I cant pen it frontally with fully upgraded Strv M/42 and GOLD AP. Maybe lower the armor a bit Wargaming. Its WAY too good now.

crystal spoke Nov 21, 2019, 8:47 PM

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So a medium cant pen the front of a same teir heavy sounds fine to me

rigid onyx Nov 21, 2019, 8:57 PM

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with gold tho

indigo knot Nov 21, 2019, 8:58 PM

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You can pen...its kinda like M6exp

unique scaffold Nov 21, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Don't post leaked footage here

austere moat Nov 21, 2019, 10:38 PM

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My opinions on the T1 Heavy changes (Another snippet from the file I sent above, at 10:57 AM (PST):

**T1 Heavy - **
In my opinion, the frontal armor is fine. But if you are going to give it insane armor, it DOES need to have somewhat reduced mobility capabilities. With the strongest at-the-tier armor, this tank should be as slow as if not slower than the KV-1. Also, the one supposedly exploitable weakness – a super, super tall hull and turret – cannot be exploited whatsoever because this tank has quite impressive gun depression and turret traverse on top of it all. Changes also apply to the M6
The Changes:
Greatly reduce the general traverse and turret traverse
Remove a degree or two from its gun depression

unreal iris Nov 22, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Nerf K-91. It's much better than any tech tree IX tier tank with mag.

formal vale Nov 22, 2019, 12:49 AM

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@unreal iris what? Why? The T54E1 has speed, traverse, and shorter intrashell reloads. The AMX 50 120 has a 120mm gun with 400 avg dmg. The K-91 is just on par with both of those tanks now.

Edit: The Batchat AP has speed and camo, which allows it to use its clip more effectively as well.

gloomy dragon Nov 22, 2019, 2:11 AM

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T54e1 has speed? That's news to me. I know it's marked as a medium, but the handling is on par with some heavies. Way too sluggish to compete these days. Doesnt help that autoreloaders basically make it obsolete.

pallid nest Nov 22, 2019, 2:31 AM

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@rigid onyx maybe try aiming next time. The front has a horizontal big weakspot pennable by any t5...

formal vale Nov 22, 2019, 2:44 AM

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@gloomy dragon idk what tank you've been playing but it certainly isn't the T54E1....

hearty flint Nov 22, 2019, 5:31 AM

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Give the Badger HESH plz

crystal spoke Nov 22, 2019, 5:32 AM

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Uhh the badger is already borderline broken

twilit crystal Nov 22, 2019, 5:56 AM

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the k91 has way better armor with the same reload as the t54e1 besides interclip and more alpha lol

jovial kernel Nov 22, 2019, 6:16 AM

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Yeah I wish they un screwed the T54E1 alpha

indigo knot Nov 22, 2019, 6:38 AM

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T54E1 is good tank....and I did play is before the buffs to T57 line.....that thing can dominate tier 8-9 but yeah in tier 10 it may struggle due to pen issue but so does almost every other med bar Standard B or Pta or Type61
Only issue back then I had was the bloom after firing became big and due to this the effective interclip kinda became longer than 2.5 but later they buffed the aim time so it is fine but not everyones cup of tea

hearty flint Nov 22, 2019, 6:40 AM

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Feel like the Badger needs to be balanced frontal armor should be reduced and instead of APCR it should have HESH like on actual WoT

orchid grove Nov 22, 2019, 7:04 AM

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Badger is fine. It’s worse than the E3 in like 90% of scenarios, so that makes it a perfectly balanced crate tank IMO

humble spear Nov 22, 2019, 7:05 AM

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@hearty flint uh, what?

📎 badger.png

coarse harness Nov 22, 2019, 7:24 AM

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T54E1 should get HE shells
The Standard has not even HE but HESH with higher burst dmg so I don't get it why the E1 hasn't got any

deft owl Nov 22, 2019, 7:43 AM

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@humble spear Thats pc stats not blitz.

humble spear Nov 22, 2019, 7:46 AM

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I know, he said "instead of APCR it should have HESH like on actual WoT"

candid steeple Nov 22, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Can I just note how every game play well in T-44 and preserv my HP and then just a random TD comes shoots me once ammo racks me full health and kills me. WG you really have to fix it. My every death in T-44 is full or almoust full health ammo rack from a heavy caliber gun. I get killed by one big calliber gun shot every single game when I die. Its so annoying. Skill zero rewarded.

full token Nov 22, 2019, 3:55 PM

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That’s how the game is. Some tanks just are easier to ammorack

jade cargoBOT Nov 22, 2019, 5:08 PM

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dynoSuccess NMH01#5777 has been warned.

unique scaffold Nov 22, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Russian tanks tend to be ammo racked easily
Chinese tanks are even worse

jade cargoBOT Nov 22, 2019, 5:52 PM

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dynoSuccess NMH01#5777 was muted

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dynoSuccess NMH01#5777 was unmuted

nocturne mauve Nov 22, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Nerf tiger 2’s lower plate

sleek vault Nov 22, 2019, 6:18 PM

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change the big ball on this thing into spaced armor and not actual hitbox like come on this is re**** to have hitbox on the ball

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unique scaffold Nov 22, 2019, 6:20 PM

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@sleek vault that thing is not that ez to pen tho, u want to make the tank completely noobproof? Please no. @unique scaffold if u get the tank to have to brawl a leo then u don’t play it correctly imo

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Fighting this thing in leopard is easy it’s paper thin and the ball itself should be there because what other weak spot will exist for a hull down tank? @unique scaffold I don’t have the E6 I’m talking in Leo perspective

sleek vault Nov 22, 2019, 6:28 PM

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@unique scaffold @unique scaffold
ehh the cupola is already easy to hit even with wiggling and you still defend the big ball for being actual hitbox? it's could be much worse... for example look at the chieftain mk6, it's literally same things but without the ez-to-hit cupola and the big ball... im fine for the cupola but to have two critical weak spot for a hull down tank that rely on the depression? most damage i receive when hulling down is from the cupola anyway so why things need the ball hitbox?

drowsy plaza Nov 22, 2019, 6:32 PM

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@sleek vault E6 also has god like pen compared to Mk6

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Play second line at start and use terrain.

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Raise gun on reload to protect cupola. Old E5 and Patton play

sleek vault Nov 22, 2019, 6:38 PM

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only in prem ammo tho, that god like penetration... tbh not near godlike since the prem ammo is HEAT when mostly player pick IS lines with the spaced armor. also that is also my playstyle, heck i'm even ignored the hate that come from a "hts that play second line" even though this things has no armor for a frontliner

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it's just my point is the tank kinda lose the identity of hull down tank for having two weak spot... i don't need buff on the hull... i don't even need the cupola buff even tho it's easy to pen, what i need is just removing the dumb big ball hitbox... changing it to be spaced armor is also dumb since it's could troll people but i will respect the every change/remove on the ball hitbox

i would also point the fact that putting this tank into HT is also weird but save that for later since i guess it's fine

mellow cape Nov 22, 2019, 6:55 PM

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The only three tanks with real spaced armor at tier 10 are T-22, IS-7 and E100 and its on the sides... You dont load HEAT for spaced armor and IS-7 and E100 are generally easy pen from the sides. If you're really desparate then you can shoot cheeks on IS-7 and T-22 although ideally you want to focus on someone else if they're in a hard to pen spot and if you run calibrated shells E100 turret is a meme with HEAT that you can pen pretty much all the time.

candid steeple Nov 22, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Just got ammoracked from full health SU-100 by KV-2 with 100mm gun ... * and i am even running 7% les chance to get ammoracked. Why am i so unlucky? I never one shot but I tend to get one shoted while playing T-44 and SU-100 ... it didn't happen so often before. that's why I am so whiny. They changed something up or I am so so unlucky.

unique scaffold Nov 22, 2019, 7:21 PM

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😁

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unique scaffold Nov 22, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Is3 needs a Hull buff . Everything goes through it

gloomy dragon Nov 22, 2019, 7:48 PM

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@formal vale
For comparison since you want hard stats: T54E1 against K-91, AMX 50 120, E 50, Bat-chat, Standard B

Gun: DPM is better on paper, but the reduced pen and alpha often leads to less effective clips overall. Its movement dispersion further reduces the likelihood of being able to accurately shoot on the move, something vital to a mediums' flexibility. When compared to the Std.B's autoreloader, it's blown out of the water in terms of actual effectiveness due the the flexibility of the auto-reloader.

Mobility: It lags behind other mediums significantly and only beats the E50 in HP/T and traverse, not speed. The top speed of 44 kph only beats the k-91 by 4 kph, hardly enough to run away in many situations while the AMX 50 120 beats it in terms of speed (50 kph) and effective linear travel. In practice, the T54E1 has trouble accelerating to its top speed and once there, isn't fast enough to actually escape from its pursuers unless they're crippled.

edit for Troll below: nope, dropped to 310 a long time ago. roughly 1.5-2 years ago

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clever void Nov 22, 2019, 7:49 PM

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The t54E1 has 350 alpha since a while ago. IT does. go check in game

orchid grove Nov 22, 2019, 7:56 PM

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T54E1 used to have 350 alpha, but they nerfed it a long time ago

sleek pebble Nov 22, 2019, 7:56 PM

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give it back pls

formal vale Nov 22, 2019, 8:00 PM

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@gloomy dragon
For one, the Standard B is already quite over powered. The E50 is one of the strongest tier 9 mediums in the game.

Secondly, the mobility stats are just plain better than the K-91 and the AMX 50 120. I'm saying it's better than the 50 120 simply because of how large the T54E1 is compared to it (ie it's way smaller). You also get troll armor on the T54E1 (if you don't know that, get creative with the angling and think about what you can do to make it awkward).

Thirdly, what makes you think it suffers from pen issues when it has better penetration than the E50? I've never struggled to pen anything that wasn't a Jageroo's upper casement. Hell I can reliably pen the Maus's cheeks with APCR, which isn't abnormal for its tier.

If I remember correctly, you (or someone else) were that the K-91 needs a nerf or something because it has 350 alpha. I argued against that because I thought the T54E1 and AMX 50 120 were fine and could compete. I stand by the fact that they both have their niches. The AMX is mainly used for burst and has the top speed to do that. The T54E1 has the dpm and mobility to do that. The K-91 has the armor and push factor that enables it to use its burst. That's how I view it. Any buffs to the T54E1 would be welcomed, but they're not needed. The same goes with the AMX 50 120.

gloomy dragon Nov 22, 2019, 8:05 PM

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When I asked this: "T54e1 has speed?" in response to your prior post, you countered that.
My main argument here is that its mobility isn't enough for it to even remotely be considered fast. If it could actually run away, then sure, i'd agree with everything else in your prior post. As it is now, The T54E1 cannot perform as a medium when one of the defining traits of a medium is sufficient mobility to out maneuver heavies.

formal vale Nov 22, 2019, 8:14 PM

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That's where I disagree. Despite it not having the best mobility, it's sure as hell fast enough to run away from stuff and to play the medium tank role. If you have the foresight to see that something is about to happen, you can do whatever you need to do in any tank. It's not the tank's fault that a hypothetical player didn't look at the situation and missed that he was going to get rushed down by an E50 and a T-54. You need to predict when things are going to go down. That's why I disagree. The T54E1 is a fantastic tank but it's just a little harder to play. @gloomy dragon

coarse harness Nov 22, 2019, 8:37 PM

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So where is that well deserved IS-2Sh buff ?

gloomy dragon Nov 22, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Fair enough. Still think it's subpar in terms of mobility though.

drowsy plaza Nov 22, 2019, 8:51 PM

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T54E1 looks at K91 and wonders why...

nimble zodiac Nov 22, 2019, 10:34 PM

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@unique scaffold this is irrelevant, post it in #replays

jade cargoBOT Nov 22, 2019, 11:06 PM

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dynoError I can't find user @vex.

drowsy plaza Nov 22, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Angry rant and bail. That solves things 🤪

umbral jungle Nov 22, 2019, 11:47 PM

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I think the Fcm50t yo needs some low in terms of armor or at least needs the spaced armor it should already have.

acoustic shard Nov 23, 2019, 12:48 AM

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Buff the Lycan. The lycan needs First of all some pen buffs on the apcr and ap, 10mm more for the ap and 15mm more for the apcr. It also needs shell velosity and dispersion buffs. As of rn it has a long reload, bad shell velosity, bad aim time, and bad dispersion. These buffs are needed on ALL of the 400 alpha dmg heavy tanks in t7. they all suffer from the same problems. wile the tanks with pea shooters get great over all accuricy high DPM and pen. while also retaining Decent armor (black prince and Tiger P) and mobilty.

drowsy plaza Nov 23, 2019, 12:49 AM

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🤪

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It’s got excellent armor for a tier 7

sleek pebble Nov 23, 2019, 12:56 AM

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Lycan's gun is all but deserving a buff

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gloomy dragon Nov 23, 2019, 1:05 AM

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If you're buffing the gun, then it better get a nerf to its armor to balance.

shy wren Nov 23, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Gun’s fine for 122mm standards.
And the armor’s really troll if you know your armor’s limits

acoustic shard Nov 23, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Saying a tank is good or bad by comparing it to other tanks is not a accurate wat to dertimine if a tank is good or bad. The gun stats for All the tanks on that page are indeen bad.

compact nymph Nov 23, 2019, 6:49 AM

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Those guns are T7 russian HT's guns. If you can't handle them get yourself a KwK 43/ L 71

formal vale Nov 23, 2019, 6:52 AM

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@acoustic shard lol what? then how do you determine whether a tank is good or not? lmao

left trellis Nov 23, 2019, 8:23 AM

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I wouldn’t say the T54E1 got nerfed when they changed the damage from 350 to 310, it couldn’t pump out as much damage compared to the other autoloader in its tier, if I remember correctly, it use to have line a 3.5 sec interclip reload, with around 21 seconds to reload the drum, it was awful. I’m so glad they decreased the interclip & drum reload significantly at the cost of losing 40 damage, but the DPM is way better than it use to

flat bane Nov 23, 2019, 8:51 AM

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T54E1 is a pretty good tank IMO. I never played it but it seems to have really good gun depression and a strong turret when you're facing T8s and some T9s.

formal vale Nov 23, 2019, 9:01 AM

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I'd say its turret is pretty troll, but not strong.

flat bane Nov 23, 2019, 9:07 AM

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It's strong when using the full degrees of gun depression and moving a lot. T8s and some T9s can't reliably hit it, and if they do it has a chance to hit the middle of the turret which seems to be the most armored. Ofc most t9-t10s can pen the sides and the roof. Plus it's angled weirdly so you can occasionally get a troll bounce.

Not the best turret, no where near.

formal vale Nov 23, 2019, 9:18 AM

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Yeah, thing is that you get little areas where it's really easy to pen. Like you said, keeping it in motion will make the turret troll, but I would definitely refrain from calling it strong. I'd say the T-54/55A, Cent 7/1, and maybe even the E50 (sorta, but it's more like the E1's tbh) have strong turrets.

stuck turret Nov 23, 2019, 9:43 AM

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after getting the quintessential batchat... Autoloaders have become a bit boring imo

unique scaffold Nov 23, 2019, 9:44 AM

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Yo les frs!

shut ruin Nov 23, 2019, 10:11 AM

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@formal vale you say K-91 has good armor

I really disagree with you on that. It cannot bounce shells on its hull and its turret can be quiet awkward at tier 10 battles and tier 9 prammo users

That is, thankfully, balanced. With its top speed and the best tier 9 pulling up speed. K-91 isn't so much a heavy tank as it is a medium tank with a good turret armor and a seriously dangerous gun. If you can time your reloads it is as dangerous as any tier 10s. I do have to admit I am a serious magazine loader fan: I cannot stop myself playing T28 Deffender with its 3 shot magazine with 450 alpha damage. Hell, I aced it easily while playing in a metro.

formal vale Nov 23, 2019, 10:13 AM

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@shut ruin a good turret, upper plate, and side armor paired with good mobility is what I'd consider good armor...

Also no, the T28 Defender doesnt have 450 alpha damage. It does 400 average per shot and a 500 max damage roll.

drowsy plaza Nov 23, 2019, 3:18 PM

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@shut ruin K-91 has excellent armor considering everything else it has. Prior to the alpha buff I thought it was pretty OP. Now it’s broken.

sleek pebble Nov 23, 2019, 3:21 PM

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give back the old aplha of T54E1

forest heath Nov 23, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Can we please get a buff to the AP pen of the predator UM from 165 to 170? every other tier VII tank has at least 170 pen so why not this one?

drowsy plaza Nov 23, 2019, 3:30 PM

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It has same pen as AMX M4 Mle 45. Yet 450 more DPM

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So no.

forest heath Nov 23, 2019, 3:38 PM

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@drowsy plaza What are you talking about, the AMX M4 Mel. 45. Has 225 AP pen on the top gun and it only has a little more than 300 more dpm not 450

drowsy plaza Nov 23, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Fair enough on the 90mm DCA. I was using the 105mm to compare.

balmy nacelle Nov 23, 2019, 5:36 PM

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No body wants to address the real issue. Instead of buffing the tanks and making it easier for amateurs to steamroll others, improve the tutorials so that 40%ers and new ones can learn. And we get good teams too.

unique scaffold Nov 23, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Tutorials aren't going to help.
Countless players have improved despite the lack of tutorials. There are plenty of information sources available for those who want to improve. I'm proof of this.

The players who most need to learn from tutorials are also the same players who are least likely to listen to them. We see these players everyday. It's never their problem, it's always "the team". Type came teach the players who already know "everything".

@balmy nacelle

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@unique scaffold just promote those WOT PC tutorials on how to sidescrape, different kind of shells etc as they apply to blitz aswell, they will have no more reasons to complain about tutorials since YouTube is filled with them.

dense walrus Nov 23, 2019, 5:58 PM

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if people don't have the will to improve then they won't

unreal jackal Nov 23, 2019, 6:18 PM

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why is the t28 garbage as crap

coarse harness Nov 23, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Cuz WG is busy with unnecessary buffs

balmy nacelle Nov 23, 2019, 6:24 PM

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@unique scaffold What do you mean by"they"? I smell someone is trying to look down upon all of us. And all I want is good team. Try playing on NA on weekends. you will see what i mean.

crystal spoke Nov 23, 2019, 6:27 PM

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You aren't the only one whose complained about tutorials

unique scaffold Nov 23, 2019, 6:27 PM

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@balmy nacelle allow me to word my sentences the way i want it, what i meant by ''they'' is the players that complain about the fact that they need tutorials in the game to actually improve. Also don't expect to have a good team always to help you, if u are a good player you will manage to win even though u had bad teams, i get mostly less than 50% players in my team, why am i not complaining? Also i suggest those tutorials because they helped me a lot in learning the game, so instead of getting mad at my opinion, open YouTube.

unreal jackal Nov 23, 2019, 6:35 PM

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tier 7 french td is soooo bad i swear

austere moat Nov 23, 2019, 6:40 PM

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I agree, but everyone seems to disagree. Everyone seems to say that it powercreeps the jpanther a lot... :/
I just feel like its a big big hitbox on a slow slow tank

unique scaffold Nov 23, 2019, 6:41 PM

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it is a great tank, on par with the jpanther imo, can find a lot of spots to use with the 10 degrees of gun depr, has amazing dpm and good alpha 😉 @austere moat u nab

coarse harness Nov 23, 2019, 6:42 PM

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It's not slow at all

dense yoke Nov 23, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Hey, i know this is unnecessary, but would be cool. Add autoloading gun to at7. also just suggestion

coarse harness Nov 23, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Use the stock gun😏

unreal jackal Nov 23, 2019, 6:59 PM

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trying to get a single win in amx, dropped my win rate from 57.70 to 57.64

hearty flint Nov 23, 2019, 7:05 PM

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@humble spear if it has HESH on Blitz then it doesn’t act like it

orchid grove Nov 23, 2019, 7:12 PM

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@dense yoke It already has an autoloading gun. Not just any autoloading gun, but the only autoloader in the game that can potentially destroy an enemy in a single magazine

final sinew Nov 23, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Hello

noble siren Nov 23, 2019, 8:26 PM

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@coarse harness made an Ace with the stock gun on At7. Me and my friend trolled the whole enemy team and it was really fun

coarse harness Nov 23, 2019, 8:36 PM

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@orchid grove actually the AMX 50 120 can one clip most of the T8 TDs

@noble siren I had the needed amount of free XP but I grinded trough just for fun

unique scaffold Nov 23, 2019, 8:36 PM

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again, diversity to the game, HUGE FUN in my opinion :))

jade cargoBOT Nov 23, 2019, 9:53 PM

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dynoSuccess AlliedTankSalvage {VMUCH}#0057 has been warned.

drowsy plaza Nov 23, 2019, 9:56 PM

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@balmy nacelle I’m all for a better tutorial. But it doesn’t do anything for the countless drives of 30-40%’ers with 20k+ games. The nature of mobile gaming means that the vast majority of the player base won’t make any efforts to get better no matter what.

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Regardless it’s not related to balance in this aspect - so #general-blitz-discussion is a better place.

balmy nacelle Nov 23, 2019, 10:15 PM

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@drowsy plaza ok, got it

fallen flume Nov 23, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Amx elec bis tier 5 light needs a buff

flint skiff Nov 23, 2019, 10:29 PM

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y

latent snow Nov 23, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Just make its turret fully rotate

drowsy plaza Nov 23, 2019, 10:53 PM

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If you are going to come and say something about a tank needing a buff or nerf, put a reasonable comment as to why.

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For instance- if I was going to argue to buff the Caernarvon, I would point out the Tiger 2 has better mobility and significantly better armor. It doesn’t seem very reasonable the Tiger 2 has that combo.

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nimble zodiac Nov 23, 2019, 11:21 PM

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I mean the elc bis is kinda starting to drift behind tier V lights, the Crusader remained good with the high ROF and decent damage for it, and the Leopard with more shells and tougher state left elc with just the average 160 damage and a low profile, the other light tanks are beginning to show more for combat than the elc

nimble zodiac Nov 24, 2019, 12:02 AM

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Not balance discussion...

jade cargoBOT Nov 24, 2019, 12:06 AM

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dynoSuccess AlliedTankSalvage {VMUCH}#0057 has been warned.

flint skiff Nov 24, 2019, 1:55 AM

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actually the amx elc is supposed to have a 90mm...

cloud crypt Nov 24, 2019, 2:58 AM

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i think Maushen have to come back that last one
it is one of the most worst tree tank in 9 tier...

nimble zodiac Nov 24, 2019, 4:44 AM

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Wasn't the only nerf with it the HP?

spark gorge Nov 24, 2019, 5:46 AM

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Oh hell no

It legit got a nerf from every angle.

shut ruin Nov 24, 2019, 8:47 AM

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If Mauschen just got a higher top speed it would certainly work a lot better. It already has a best of tier heavy tank gun with great dpm and accuracy (it can fire more accurately than an Foch and faster to) but because it is slower than a TOG* II it gets shot to bits before it can use that cannon

round sundial Nov 24, 2019, 10:07 AM

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Buff the chinese IS-2. As of now, it's worse than both the soviet IS2 variants in every way. Because it's based on the actual IS-2 armour scheme, I say buff the front to 120mm, like the soviet premium IS-2. This won't make the IS obsolete, because it will still have better gun and better mobility than the chinese one.

zealous stone Nov 24, 2019, 11:20 AM

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will you ever buff the wz 113 travers it is supposed to be a heavium not a wale on tracks

distant river Nov 24, 2019, 11:56 AM

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Sorry you want a buff for the 113? It was already a good tank before the alpha buff 🤦

unique scaffold Nov 24, 2019, 12:11 PM

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instead of coming off salty you could have said it nicer. What if instead of the alpha buff they would have buffed the traverse ?

coarse harness Nov 24, 2019, 12:33 PM

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Then it wouldn't have any downsides

shut ruin Nov 24, 2019, 1:05 PM

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I would like more lfp armor on glacial. It gets wrecked if you show a mm of lfp armor. By everything

indigo knot Nov 24, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Well technically lfp is supposed be a weakspot

zealous stone Nov 24, 2019, 1:12 PM

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@distant river if you want to be a smart ass I can be as well. Buffing the travers dsnt mean to buff the degree numbers, the soft stats which are not displayed affect it, also the alpha buff does not make that much difference btw, it's just 20 more dmg per shot which may come in handy here and there, so not much of a buff from my perspective.The tank is supposed to be a heavium, and the armour is ok not the greatest since the tank is at such a lower profile majority of other tanks being taller the upper plate is an easy pen, bcz it negates the angle which is at.

mellow cape Nov 24, 2019, 1:19 PM

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Not much of a buff
Bruh do you even know how much of a difference that 20 alpha is, especially on a rapid firing gun?

distant river Nov 24, 2019, 1:20 PM

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So instead of just buffing the bad traverse that balences it, lets buff the acceleration as well 👍

It was already a good tank and it didn't need a buff. Now it has been buffed its extremely good. It definitely does not need another buff.

thick rover Nov 24, 2019, 1:24 PM

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I'm with @distant river on this one

unique scaffold Nov 24, 2019, 2:20 PM

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113's armor definitely is weak against other heavies, it is supposed to be a heavium, but it kinda sucks there cuz of the traverse.. I would give it back 400 alpha and buff the traverse so both worlds are happy.

stuck cipher Nov 24, 2019, 4:21 PM

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Look how unbalanced these battles are. Losing team had much worse winrate, avg dmg and battle count. So the next time you find a battle unfair, well, it is...

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full token Nov 24, 2019, 4:27 PM

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Sometimes you get the lower wr team. Sometimes you get the better team. It seems fine to me as long as it’s not always one type of team all the time

fallen flume Nov 24, 2019, 4:47 PM

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The problem is such teams ruin the game, especially if it happens games in a row. And it’s not just that but some of them are also afk. The game is over in less than 2 minutes... Even in ranked I had some team that lost 5 players in 1 and a half minutes. All players should be placed in leagues that don’t meet each other and offer different rewards. Then the worst players, trouble makers, chat abusers, campers and all other not helpful players will play each other and will be out of sight for decent ones. Also one tier matchmaking could be implemented and that will be the end of low tier moaning.

sleek pebble Nov 24, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Foch this rigged MM in rating battles

3prems & 4 tech trees VS 2tech trees & 5 prems

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flint skiff Nov 24, 2019, 5:02 PM

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remove KV-2 nerf

crystal spoke Nov 24, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Nah I'd say it needs another hit

unique scaffold Nov 24, 2019, 5:20 PM

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@stuck cipher this channel isn't about matchmaking

unique scaffold Nov 24, 2019, 6:03 PM

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PELOTON

spark gorge Nov 24, 2019, 7:02 PM

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I think the devs buffed the 113 simply because it wasn’t popular enough

primal yacht Nov 24, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Auto-Aim does not work with many turretless TD’s, even when you point your tank at an enemy tank, and it should, because it’s hard enough to fend off a close-up attack from a turreted tank.

untold scarab Nov 24, 2019, 7:29 PM

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Apparently wg is planning to give T62A 8 degrees of gun depression in 6.6... something tells me it is gonna be broken

primal yacht Nov 24, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Broken as a Tiger II ? 🙂

round sundial Nov 24, 2019, 7:39 PM

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There is no way, where did u find this info? @untold scarab

unique scaffold Nov 24, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Lol it can't phsically have 8 degs

mellow cape Nov 24, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Yes, the gun would go through the turret and the hull lol

mellow cape Nov 24, 2019, 8:22 PM

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That's open test and if T-62A gets 8 degrees of gun depression it would be broken af

untold scarab Nov 24, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Open tests are just for show, if the foch got through the test then pretty sure this will too

indigo knot Nov 24, 2019, 8:32 PM

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Well I kinda want the Russian med meta back

unique scaffold Nov 24, 2019, 8:39 PM

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How am I a disciplined player when i have 595 praises and 4 complaints

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Those are leaks. Don't post leaks here

untold scarab Nov 24, 2019, 8:47 PM

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@indigo knot Yes but giving it 3 more degrees is overdoing it and making the 140 obsolete @round sundial sorry proof got deleted

mellow cape Nov 24, 2019, 8:53 PM

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140 wont be fully obsolete but close to it, 140 is still faster and has better hull armor, along with better accuracy on the move and better effective standard pen

distant river Nov 24, 2019, 8:59 PM

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140s main advantage over the T62A is its gun depression, and with 2° less it will be entirely obsolete

twilit crystal Nov 24, 2019, 9:01 PM

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@unique scaffold http://forum.wotblitz.ru/index.php?/topic/78924-открытый-тест-обновления-66/
Not a leak if it's from WG

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lunar niche Nov 24, 2019, 9:27 PM

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I see buff on Leopard 1's reload there but if T62a really gets that -8 GD then there really is no need to drive any other mediums.

untold scarab Nov 24, 2019, 9:43 PM

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Wg's balancing in a nutshell

amber fox Nov 24, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Still not as broken as the foch

tame furnace Nov 24, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Foch...

round sundial Nov 24, 2019, 9:49 PM

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STB's turret will still be stronger and better hull tho

unique scaffold Nov 24, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Leopard 1 buff? Finally

charred bobcat Nov 24, 2019, 9:57 PM

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STB has a medium sized hatch, pennable cheeks, and mantlet. The turret really isn't stronger than that of the 62A. This only thing that kept the 62A from being OP was the inability to create many shots without overexposing. The tank will be a jack of all trades, but being an expert at every trade.

round sundial Nov 24, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Nope, STB's cheeks are far stronger and more difficult to hit than T62A's

tame furnace Nov 24, 2019, 10:03 PM

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sTb HaS tUrReT cHeEkS?

charred bobcat Nov 24, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Lmao, no you're wrong. The STB's cheeks are ~190mm in effective armor and the mantlet is still susceptible to prammo. The 62A's cheeks are stronger against other mediums. Only high pen guns can reliably pen it and it's not often that a TD would laser those cheeks.

hot sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:17 PM

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You see, stb has only small pennable areas on its cheeks that are about 198mm the rest of its turret is stronger than t62a. The t62s turret can be more easily penned by TDs unlike the stb and anything with 300+ heat pen can cut through it like butter lol

STBs easy pen lower turret cheeks are way harder to pen then just hurling HEAT or APCR right in the face of a t62

charred bobcat Nov 24, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Idk what you constitute as "small" because all that orange is ~190mm. Also, thank you for proving my point because TDs aren't often going to hit the cheeks of a hull down 62A (due to obvious reasons of high dispersion and player skill required), especially once it gets -8* of gun depression. Yeah... and the same could be said about anything with 300+ pen could cut through the STB mantlet.

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iron hearth Nov 24, 2019, 10:26 PM

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and there is that little thing where the driver stays that its a weakspot too , if t62 gets 8 degree of gun depression it will be the best medium at tier 10

round sundial Nov 24, 2019, 10:39 PM

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You lie, the very turret cheek is 190mm like you show, but because of the way WG made hitboxes, only a tiny portion is actually 190mm, that orange part you highlighted with big fame is mostly 270mm or more, and let's not forget the rest which is 700mm+. Also suspectible mantlet to pramo? Do you have a railgun with 1000mm pen or waht? There is 350mm+ there, and most of it is spaced so bb HEAT @charred bobcat E: @drowsy plaza Cmon, he did check the armour model and still came back with fake news. What do you want me to do😅

drowsy plaza Nov 24, 2019, 10:40 PM

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@round sundial play nice. No need to call someone a liar

gentle finch Nov 24, 2019, 10:45 PM

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I don't know where you're getting your numbers from. But you shouldn't be calling something fake news without something to back it up. I'd much rather take a 62A turret over an STB turret. STB turret is an easier pen.

round sundial Nov 24, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Then you would loose. T62A turret has better nominal thickness, but it's an ez pen for pramo, unlike STB. That qualifies as far better turret for me E: @charred bobcat The in game red hit skins are famously unreliable. Only the little area where you aim is pennable, the rest of the "grey" spot is 270mm effective or more. Go look it up E2: @gaunt coyote The thing is, devs cosider giving T62A 8 degs of gun dep. This is the core of this discussion

hot sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:49 PM

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You miss the fact the t62s has a larger turret cheek area to hit, the stb has a smaller weak spots. And I have my issues with armor inspector, I find blitzhanger more reliable. Also from personal experience in both tanks the stb turret is stronger by far 👀

Lol you gonna show t62a weak spots as well or be biased?

charred bobcat Nov 24, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Are you good in the head mate? I'm not making anything up lol.
Pictured: Obj. 140 firing AP at STB
Sure I will, but there's a cooldown for messages.
@gaunt coyote Incase you hadn't realized, 62A will be getting 8 degrees of gun depression next update. Nice job jumping the gun buddy.

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flat bane Nov 24, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Tf, yall having a mental breakdown in here? Roflmao

gentle finch Nov 24, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Those two tanks are being compared because of the 6.6 update. Read up buddy. Lol you deleted your message

formal vale Nov 24, 2019, 11:00 PM

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I'm personally of the opinion that the STB-1 did need the turret buff, but it was the hull buff that was unnecessary. The tank is supposed to be a hull down monster with ok-ish gun handling and great gun depression. The issue that I have with the tank now is that the side armor can actually get bounces when it's already a well armored tank in the form of the turret. Also that upper plate can be troll sometimes, which is rather frustrating to fight against.

IMO, the best way to balance the STB would be to revert the hull armor buffs and leave the turret armor as it is (ie. extremely strong in the hands of a competent player). Let it be a hull down monster but let it be punished when it tries to overextend or makes mistakes.

indigo knot Nov 24, 2019, 11:00 PM

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62a overall has better turret that Stb1....when it gets that 8 deg of gun depression it will be godly....
I would always welcome Russian meds meta

shy wren Nov 24, 2019, 11:00 PM

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8° of GD on a T-62A? That’s silly OP if it falls through.

Personally, it’s better if it’s left as is. It’s already got a laser gun and a solid turret. Any gun depression buffs will make the Obj. 140 obsolete

round sundial Nov 24, 2019, 11:01 PM

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What? You load any kind of HEAT and T62's turret is ez pen, it's also ez pen for TD AP. STB is not, it has tiny little spots pennable by AP, but pramo wont help u @indigo knot E: Turret. I meant turret

gaunt coyote Nov 24, 2019, 11:12 PM

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very strange to give it that much gun depression but eagered to try it out

tropic tide Nov 24, 2019, 11:15 PM

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charred bobcat Nov 24, 2019, 11:20 PM

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@hot sun I'm referring to 62A with 8 degrees of gun depression, so your personal experiences don't say much if anything at all. Same gun. Obj 140 AP & HEAT
That's just how I play my Obj 140, I like the higher DPM (unless used in tournaments). I used rammer for the STB image too, so yeah.
Prammo won't help penning STB cheeks but it does help when penning the mantlet.

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round sundial Nov 24, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Looks like you don't have calibrated shells loaded. Why?. E: Yeah. With cali shells, it becomes far far easier to pen @charred bobcat . Unlike STB, which pramo will not help at all with penning it E2: What? No. The mantlet is 350mm+ and spaced armour, that is not pennable by anything except for maybe TD APCR pramo..

hot sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:26 PM

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You see I was not talking about the open test stats of the t62a. :/

Also why is a t62a trying to play in a position where it cant?? If it was playing in a position where it has to play in to be effective that turret wouldn't be as red, but still hard to pen with normal ap.

I can understand comparison in the same spot but in actual gameplay, tis different

charred bobcat Nov 24, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Then you have no point bringing up your personal experiences because the problem with the 62A was it's inability to create shots without often overexposing the hull. We're talking about what it would be like when 62A gets 8 degrees, allowing it to hull down effectively and actually use the strong turret. That spot would work once 6.6 rolls out with the buff, lol. Not sure where you're not understanding this. The original discussion stemmed from 62A with 8 degrees of gun dep.

hot sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Loool the t62a is a sniper tank, it doesnt have a hard time at all getting shots off. The aim time and dispersion is at the top of its class and its camouflage rating is one of the best as well. The only time you should be playing the t62a up close and personal is in the end game or if you had to 1v1 or side hug a heavy or td. If the t62a does get that 8 degrees of depression i hope it gets nerfed hard both in camo and gun handling. And open test stats does not mean its 100% going to be an end product. Smh, people should know this by now.
Loool 1 thing out of many ideas WG has canned. Just trying to bait i c.
Also if you cant read good sir, I also added an opinion about how the t62a would have to be nerfed in some aspects.

charred bobcat Nov 24, 2019, 11:57 PM

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Again, you're talking about 62A with 5 degrees of gun depression. It has to snipe because it doesn't have the gun depression nor ufp to play more aggressively. We're talking about IF they do implement it. Foch had an open test for the autoloader, too, and guess what, it got implemented without any alterations. Smh.
I never downplayed your idea of a rebalance if the gun depression buff does fall through. I'm simply outlining that your opinion of what the 62A is now doesn't represent much of what it will be like if it does get -8*.

unique scaffold Nov 25, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Debates are fine but if you can't keep it civil I will shut you down.

thick rover Nov 25, 2019, 12:59 AM

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Does 4005 need gun elevation help

nimble zodiac Nov 25, 2019, 1:11 AM

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Snipers don't often require much gun elevation, tho it can be played semi-aggressively, it's already a great tank. Also english only @astral quartz

unique scaffold Nov 25, 2019, 1:13 AM

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@astral quartz in English please

thick rover Nov 25, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Well tanks like grille can use the gun elevation to line themselve up on a hill like in the desert map for sniping, and certain maps have these sniping positions with a hill, if you wanna drive Abit forward to be on the slope, your gun dives into the ground but if the tank had gun elevation he can shoot and then drive forward into cover, like desert sands idk if you guys can visualise

tame furnace Nov 25, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Ik what u mean I played the toaster too much

thick rover Nov 25, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Ahaha indeef

drifting depot Nov 25, 2019, 3:02 AM

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Sooooooo, I think the Cromwell b is quite unbalanced ._. At least fix the gun shooting through the engine deck thingy, I can tell since I bought it today and already have 2k+ dmg and like 1103 or something average exp tho

Edit: nvm 1191 lel

nimble zodiac Nov 25, 2019, 3:10 AM

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I mean WG can definitely do that because the Lowe loses dep and gains elev when facing the gun behind it

drifting depot Nov 25, 2019, 3:17 AM

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Well I mean, Lowe's thing had something to do with internal space but this?

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unique scaffold Nov 25, 2019, 3:25 AM

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@drifting depot wow 2k dmg, ah wait 6 matches xD. good tank, bad shell velocity and lack of armor, it's only weaknesses

drifting depot Nov 25, 2019, 3:27 AM

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British engineers drank too much tea ._. And I LOVE IT, yes 6 matches and 5 on tournaments lel, still quite a lot for a tier 6 tbh, and about the shell velocity, it doesn't really feel like that bruh

raven dawn Nov 25, 2019, 3:34 AM

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Buff the vindicators gun dep to 4 degs even a little helps

vale sun Nov 25, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Wait, they're actually considering giving the t62A -8?

thick rover Nov 25, 2019, 5:14 AM

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Who

shy wren Nov 25, 2019, 5:31 AM

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WG, in the Russian Forums for Open Test 6.6, in their notes noted an extra 3° for the T-62A’s gun depression angles @thick rover

thick rover Nov 25, 2019, 5:33 AM

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What the ..

storm hatch Nov 25, 2019, 5:38 AM

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Give the kpfz 70 it’s actual gun and move it to tier 10.

flat bane Nov 25, 2019, 5:40 AM

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Wz-120 should have gotten a gun depression buff to its 122mm :/ /:

vale sun Nov 25, 2019, 6:16 AM

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Lmao another wz-120 buff

flat bane Nov 25, 2019, 6:24 AM

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That's the only problem with the tank Dxxx the buffs before weren't necessary.

shut ruin Nov 25, 2019, 6:49 AM

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Did all this and the lycan and SU both called me noob...

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crystal spoke Nov 25, 2019, 6:59 AM

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And this is related to #tank-balance-discussion how?

hearty sparrow Nov 25, 2019, 7:31 AM

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yeh dude, post in general

noble siren Nov 25, 2019, 10:12 AM

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"But STB has turret cheeks weak spot" yeah I want you to hit that from 100m while he is moving. Seriously what is this argument which tank will stay stationary while he is reloading especially a med. STB is considerably the best tank now among all medium tanks, perfect hulldown gameplay good DPM and Alfa, perfect depression, good speed, everything on this thing is good

dim oxide Nov 25, 2019, 10:16 AM

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STB 1 is balanced. After all the suffering grinding Japanese line it is perfect reward at tier 10. Hence, balanced 😀 😀 😀
Now, the British TD line after they nerf 183 on the other hand...

unique scaffold Nov 25, 2019, 10:20 AM

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@dim oxide that is not how u balance a tank, nobody cares how hard the grind was when the thing annihilates other t10 meds

shut ruin Nov 25, 2019, 10:22 AM

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Or you dont grind and use free xp

unique scaffold Nov 25, 2019, 10:23 AM

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Why did it get a turret buff it was a fine tank

dim oxide Nov 25, 2019, 10:26 AM

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Ah, I should have said balanced for me 😁 😁 . Let's face it what is the motivation to do Japanese line if not for STB 1? At least for me it's that particular tank.
@shut ruin I am saving for other tanks

sleek pebble Nov 25, 2019, 10:31 AM

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Type 61 requires and deserves some buff

sure, its gun handling is almost the best among tier9 tech tree meds (on paper alone)
then there's the big BUT

it's inferior in almost every other aspect of stats, resulting an overall worst performing tier9 tech tree med

EDIT#1: when it comes to tier10 matches, it's no longer a competent tank, but a moving target practice

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shut ruin Nov 25, 2019, 10:32 AM

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@dim oxide my motivation is to end up with the tier 10 heavy Oh-Ho that may be released eventually
That thing is so strong on pc. It cant get killed by arty, rams like a maus and bounces shells like 4 maus tanks

dark pike Nov 25, 2019, 10:33 AM

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it won't ever be added

humble spear Nov 25, 2019, 10:35 AM

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The type 61 already has 3000dpm, the highest among any tier 9 MT, as well as the highest view range

unique scaffold Nov 25, 2019, 10:37 AM

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Type 61 is fine now and STB-1 needs a reduction in front turret armor

dim oxide Nov 25, 2019, 10:39 AM

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Not when T62A is going to get -8 deg gun depression. It's other tier 10 medium tanks that need a buff to counter T22. Or maybe some fancy consumables. Like ERA or a Trophy APS.😀 😀

sleek pebble Nov 25, 2019, 10:43 AM

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@humble spear @unique scaffold
it cannot really benefit from its high dpm (nor the high viewrange) when you have literally paper armor and low mobility. it have to expose its massive weakspots for an awful long time before it could even peek out to shoot

not to mention that 9/10 recieved shots damage an internal module/crew member/both

humble spear Nov 25, 2019, 10:47 AM

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10 degrees of gun depression allow you to work ridgelines, which is what this tank specialises in. Keeping yourself at mid range, by driving up and down a ridge will allow you to take shots into enemy tanks while your cupola moves sideways, up and down at the same time, erratic movements help it alot. The tank also has good gun handling, so the time that you expose your tank is shortened. The high dpm in general is very useful, as with its tall profile, it can duel most equal tier MTs and come out on top. The mobility also isn't all that bad for a tank. In comparison to its highly mobile counterparts, the type 61 is sluggish, but a top speed of 47 and a hp/t ratio of 19 is more than sufficient to allow for decently quick positioning when needed

unique scaffold Nov 25, 2019, 10:48 AM

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@sleek pebble 3.3k avg in it, can tell that the dpm always works

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Mobility isn't low, the tank is not amazing but workable. Yeah maybe the hatch needs removal (the type 61)

Also t62a with 8° GD should never pass the open test because that's just stupid, that tank will remain with it's current playstyle of angle the upper plate and poke out, but will also be able to go hulldown and not get penned through the turret. It's ridiculous and the tank will be the most accurate tank in game, way better 140 and one of the best hulldown meds at the tier

dim oxide Nov 25, 2019, 10:55 AM

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Who knows why wargaming do this, probably because not enough tech tree mediums running around during twister cup finals. Whatever it is, I think they are trying to make tier 10 playing style more dynamic. More maneuver.

indigo knot Nov 25, 2019, 11:43 AM

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@sleek pebble Type 61 is good now . It got the buffs it needed and it considerably a better tank

thick rover Nov 25, 2019, 12:19 PM

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Yea you should balance a tank based on its tier not the line -_+

jolly panther Nov 25, 2019, 1:46 PM

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JPanther 2's upper hull armor deserves some love imo, it's too big of a weak spot & everything goes through lol
EDIT I'd love to see the upper hull armor buffed and maybe a bit of a side armor buff, but leaving the MG weakspot & weak lower plate

round sundial Nov 25, 2019, 2:35 PM

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And make it a second WZ-120-FT? Bruuuuuuuuh

humble spear Nov 25, 2019, 2:36 PM

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except with a stronger casemate and a larger autobounce mantlet

jolly panther Nov 25, 2019, 2:57 PM

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No, not a second WZ. WZ is plain broken, you can't even pen it with gold. The Jpanther 2 should have at least some chance to survive out in the battlefield, cause let's be real-- you can't hide that massive hull. 100mm is not nearly enough, if it was 120mm-ish that would be great, and it would work out when angling up/down against slopes, giving it around 200mm effective armor. The lower plate & MG would still be weak spots, but it would be nowhere close to the broken WZ-120-FT. It would be kind of like the Jagdtiger 8.8 but still with less armor.

EDIT take into account that the MG port is 60mm thick, a lucky HE shot from a 120mm caliber and up would go through for full dmg

coarse harness Nov 25, 2019, 2:58 PM

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It is already an awesome TD unlike T28

humble spear Nov 25, 2019, 3:05 PM

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The Jagdpanther II doesn't need any sort of buff, it's already a great tank. Comparing it to its competition, the Ferdinand, the JPanther has better mobility, gun and a better casemate, but loses out on hull armour. The tank is not an assault TD like a T28, and should only face the enemy when it is hull down or in concealment. When hull down, the tank is a beast with the giant autobounce mantlet and highly sloped superstructure

stoic pebble Nov 25, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Jp2 is already super strong as it is. No need for an upper hull buff. It can take all sorts of wacky positions to hide its upper hull and still be effective with its decent gun depression. It also has great mobility. Even I can make it work and I hate TD gameplay with a passion

loud kernel Nov 25, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Type 61 will be the best tier 9 medium if it does not have the airport control tower on top. Good alpha, pen, aim time, dispersion on move and reload. Armor is bad but -10 gun depression can be used to hide the tank and the manlet can troll. Usually if I am not top on damage in scoreboard with type 61, it is my fault.

drifting depot Nov 25, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Why does people play It frontline 24/7 with that armor and then complains ._.

unique scaffold Nov 25, 2019, 4:22 PM

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It wouldn't be the best t9 medium because amx 30 exists 🙄

austere moat Nov 25, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Amx 30 is the wallet warrior's tank. That doesn't matter. But yes, I agree, it's broken. I have almost a dozen games now and haven't lost one

nimble zodiac Nov 25, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Can the KV-4 get an accuracy buff? For doing 320 damage it’s terrible, while the armor is somewhat hard to work with

onyx lava Nov 25, 2019, 5:15 PM

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t54e1 speed buff pls

drifting depot Nov 25, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Well the t54e1 indeed needs a little more top speed ._. Or at least acceleration

unique scaffold Nov 25, 2019, 5:55 PM

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it's highlight should be the gun, 350 alpha would do better

indigo knot Nov 25, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Yes 350 alpha with HE shells added to the gun

drifting depot Nov 25, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Or at least he shells in general .____.

unique scaffold Nov 25, 2019, 6:13 PM

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It already had 350 alpha and it didn't work

clever void Nov 25, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Why didn’t it work? I thought it was fabulous

unique scaffold Nov 25, 2019, 7:32 PM

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It was worse than it is now

wraith lance Nov 25, 2019, 7:53 PM

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It had 350 alpha, they nerfed it down to 310, but buffed penetration and gun handling in exchange

unique scaffold Nov 25, 2019, 8:09 PM

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we r talking only about a buff, no need to change anything else in exchange, it already is slow and has no armor

drowsy plaza Nov 25, 2019, 8:18 PM

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Admittedly I liked it. But given the K-91 just got a totally unnecessary alpha buff to its 100mm gun, it doesn’t seem fair that the T54E1 is where it is.

gloomy dragon Nov 25, 2019, 9:02 PM

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I used to love the t54e1 too, but all the newer faster tanks and autoloaders/autoreloaders made it completely obsolete with how sluggish it is.

broken pawn Nov 25, 2019, 9:16 PM

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server is down boys

astral quartz Nov 25, 2019, 9:17 PM

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what happened to the game? for how long is it?

prime ermine Nov 25, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Can u make something ?

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nimble zodiac Nov 25, 2019, 9:30 PM

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You can post this stuff like in #585464006936887306 #585463961730940929 or #585464171349409811 because this is not the place for it ._.

grand pecan Nov 25, 2019, 9:31 PM

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WG whats the problem AMK

acoustic shard Nov 25, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Buff the Vindiator with 3 or 4 more degree's of gun depression. 25 more prem heat pen and 8 more HE pen. Atm you eather Run calibrated shells or don't pen. 225 Heat pen and only 80 He pen with out calibrated is impossible to work with.

drifting depot Nov 25, 2019, 11:27 PM

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Shhhhhhh say nothing my child, what about giving the vindi a gud ol' missile launcher as a second option once they come out, that thicc gon looks perfect for atgms, reminds me of the sturmtiger

acoustic shard Nov 25, 2019, 11:52 PM

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that would be better than naythiung else

unique scaffold Nov 26, 2019, 12:00 AM

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@acoustic shard u love ur vindi don’t u 😂

acoustic shard Nov 26, 2019, 12:05 AM

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yes but I just can't play it with out getting
so serious. it take's away from the fun of the tank.

flat bane Nov 26, 2019, 12:13 AM

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:0

unique scaffold Nov 26, 2019, 12:13 AM

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@ruby lark read pinned comments

dense walrus Nov 26, 2019, 1:11 AM

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@unique scaffold submit a ticket. not the right place for this.

jade cargoBOT Nov 26, 2019, 2:06 AM

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dynoSuccess Gooooooooo#7824 has been warned.

nimble zodiac Nov 26, 2019, 2:16 AM

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The only thing the Vindicator can bully is a tier 6 tank, it can’t work with tier 8s, I know that tiers matter but it seems extreme on how it fends the other tiers

vale sun Nov 26, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Really wargaming? Why have you not nerfed the smasher yet?

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kind bay Nov 26, 2019, 4:16 AM

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with dw2, can you make the reload like 9 seconds, not 11

drowsy plaza Nov 26, 2019, 4:47 AM

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@vale sun everyone is running CS on Smasher for the HEAT and HE pen Bonus.

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But yeah Smasher is a tad overcooked for tier 7.

formal vale Nov 26, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Nerf the reload to like 19 sec with cali shells, dispersion needs a nerf, aim time needs a nerf, turret armor needs a nerf

drifting depot Nov 26, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Smasher itself needs a nerf ._. Or get power creeped

vale sun Nov 26, 2019, 4:51 AM

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I legitimately think that the smasher is a better tank then the borsig 1 tier higher. The main advantage the borsig has (besides pen) is mobility, and yet they have the same top speed - and the borsig is not very nimble at all so
Also ten min slowmode kills all discussion

drowsy plaza Nov 26, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Biggest issue I see is the HEAT pen as it eats through tier 8 tanks

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harsh ravine Nov 26, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Compare the Smasher and the Tankenstein and just realize how much better the Smasher is than to the Tankenstein

hot sun Nov 26, 2019, 6:18 AM

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A possible reason smasher isnt nerfed rn is that so few people have it 👀 so therefore reliable data on it isn't existant. I wont disagree it is broken tho

neon linden Nov 26, 2019, 6:25 AM

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Same reason the ke ni otsu isn’t nerfed, rare enough to not matter

hot sun Nov 26, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Could also be the same reason why the tankenstein doesnt get a buff, rare enough where it doesnt matter

grave isle Nov 26, 2019, 11:26 AM

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@hot sun so true, felt bad when I got in the spin last year 😭

forest heath Nov 26, 2019, 12:27 PM

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I would still like a penetration buff on the AP shell of the predator UM from 165 to 170. All the other tier VII heavy tanks have at least 170 mm pen or more so why make me suffer?

drowsy plaza Nov 26, 2019, 12:48 PM

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Because it has an autoloader with good armor? My personal option is it is a middle of the pack tier 7 Premium. There are many tier 7’s that should be buffed (and some nerf’d) before the Predator gets anything.

flint skiff Nov 26, 2019, 1:00 PM

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make a MM with stats

dim field Nov 26, 2019, 1:01 PM

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Sure, it's called training rooms

distant river Nov 26, 2019, 1:03 PM

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@flint skiff Try reading the pinned messages first, then go play ratings

forest heath Nov 26, 2019, 1:07 PM

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It has average hull front armor that works only with tier VII and bad tier VIII guns but the amount of times I have been thrown into a tier VIII match where I can’t even pen the cupola are far to numerous. Add to the fact that the places where it can be effective is pretty limited as it is completely incapable of using it on uneven terrain because of horrendous gun depression. Besides it’s not like giving the tank same penetration as the rest of the tier VII tanks is going to make it broken @drowsy plaza

jade cargoBOT Nov 26, 2019, 1:32 PM

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dynoSuccess ELITE_gunner567#4475 has been warned.

distant river Nov 26, 2019, 1:34 PM

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A tier 7 autoloading med cant pen tier 8s? What kind of stupidly unbalanced game is this? 🤦

drowsy plaza Nov 26, 2019, 1:34 PM

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@forest heath it has 221 pen with CS in its APCR.

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forest heath Nov 26, 2019, 1:36 PM

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@drowsy plaza your argument being? That I should spam gold ?

drowsy plaza Nov 26, 2019, 1:37 PM

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@forest heath I’m not arguing, I’m stating facts.

unique scaffold Nov 26, 2019, 1:37 PM

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173mm pen for a t7 heavy is enough, lupus has 175, ISes have 175, u want the predator buffed? what about these other ones that perform worse with guns that barely hit the broadside of a barn? @drowsy plaza let's not forget that it is an autoloader with same dpm as the tigers 🙂 that should be enough of a reason to leave it at that. @forest heath what is the point in what u are doing right now ?

drowsy plaza Nov 26, 2019, 1:38 PM

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As @unique scaffold notes you still have 173mm AP Pen (with CS). I’ve already stated that it is a balanced middle of the road tank.

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Furthermore it can out trade any tier 7 heavy but the Smasher (and it’s really a tier 7.9)

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It can also yolo kill most in tier heavies due to it’s DPM and relatively troll armor

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I don’t recommend that. But I’ve seen it done several times by Predators, and have done it myself when I felt it was in my teams best interest.

strong rampart Nov 26, 2019, 1:45 PM

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will the mod1 be ever buffed?

drowsy plaza Nov 26, 2019, 1:48 PM

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@strong rampart Seriously?

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It’s one of the most over performing tier 8 Meds in game.

unique scaffold Nov 26, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Games at tier 5 are quite short, lasting about 2 minutes until Leopard platoon has finished opposing team. Anything devs. could do to make individual battles last longer?

forest heath Nov 26, 2019, 2:19 PM

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What is your proposal actually? I feel like this is saying that the leopard needs a nerf but with extra steps

unique scaffold Nov 26, 2019, 2:38 PM

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I am not expert of game balancing, just telling my observations. It appears to be way too easy just rush and wipe out 7 tanks roughly in 2 minutes. Is it because of maps or how spotting works, maybe something wrong with certain tanks or matchmaker putting all aggressive and active players in one team. Lack of effective countermeasures against rush tactics?

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T-62 with 8 dep?? Thats gonna be op

craggy dust Nov 26, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Wg should really stop trying to ruin tier ten even more,they are literally adding more tier ten premiums in the game,honestly what is the point of the game anymore?you can just spend a few dollars and get a tier ten,if you ain't good enough for tournaments there is literally no point in playing the game other than waste time,tier ten is becoming more like tier eight and 7 with broken tanks,instead of nerfing foch 155 like it should've happened they are buffing everything to the level of foch,wz121 and 113 alpha damage increased and now the t62a is getting 8 degrees of depression smh,just nerf the foch how hard could that be instead of buffing every single tank,if you buff every single tank some tanks that are not doing so good are going to become awful.

drowsy plaza Nov 26, 2019, 2:51 PM

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@craggy dust folks failed to tier X in 2014. Selling a premium in 9-10 hasn’t changed the player base one bit. Secondly, the T-62 GD buff to -8 is only in 6.6 Open Test. While it may come out in an update I would freak out yet.

twilit crystal Nov 26, 2019, 2:57 PM

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@drowsy plaza open test buffs are almost never reversed

night flame Nov 26, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Had a shame driving Chi Ri Japanese t7 tank after looong hiatus. What a pathetic tank. First ever burst gun in game If I recall correctly- the OG of all autoloaders - is trash. Slow, big, napkin thick, free HP pool for T7 not mentioning T8.

meager spruce Nov 26, 2019, 3:18 PM

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^^^ what a joke... worst autoloader gun... Chi Ri has more DPM with that gun that a panther 1.

craggy dust Nov 26, 2019, 3:33 PM

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@drowsy plaza um yes it has,so please explain it has made the teams even worst,people with 200 battles have a tier ten premium,people who do not know how to press a single button ruining tier ten

twin meadow Nov 26, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Is it true they have a test server for the t62a with 8 ° of gun depression?

meager spruce Nov 26, 2019, 3:48 PM

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yes.

drowsy plaza Nov 26, 2019, 4:03 PM

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@craggy dust so just like 70% of the 30,000 battle players... Regardless it’s done, the M60 went out December 21 2016. Furthermore it isn’t Balance related

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#maps-discussion @fathom basin

unique scaffold Nov 26, 2019, 4:09 PM

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i suggest that we see the results before jumping to conclusions!

round sundial Nov 26, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Chiri is trash, but luckily I managed to finish it in like 20 games w -50% T8 cert

E:Bah i didn't enjoy the gun enough to make up for everything else. Granted, I had stock engine and tracks, but still🤷

unique scaffold Nov 26, 2019, 4:34 PM

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@round sundial gun is what makes the tank, and it is amazing ✌️ lmao well u played a maus with no armor 😂

outer hawk Nov 26, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Chi-Ri has a Godly gun.

acoustic shard Nov 26, 2019, 4:55 PM

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I fail to see why people are so apposed to a predator pen buff. Using lack luster comparisions with irrelivent tanks only to make mute points. The predator first of all Doesn't have armor in fact it can be HE'd in the side's and rear by next to all 122mm guns in tier 6 and up. Even some 225 alpha guns can sneak in an HE shell or too. Not to mention the lack of gun depression and on top of it all that a capola. while bieng at a tier dominated by small tanks you can hardly get your gun down to shoot. When you shoot you can't even pen not because the pen is below the ground bad but because you can't hit the weak points. so you need much better pen to hit the strong one's.

round sundial Nov 26, 2019, 5:01 PM

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If you were real, I'd be horrified at what the community wants for the game. It is not the best, but not the worst tank for sure

Compare it to the 50-100 and tell me why is 50-100 considered balanced and Lorraine not in your opinion? @iron hearth

mellow cape Nov 26, 2019, 5:02 PM

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You know the community thinks that the tiger II in the current state is balanced? lol

orchid grove Nov 26, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Tiger II probably isn’t balanced, but it’s way overhyped.

iron hearth Nov 26, 2019, 5:08 PM

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a tank that should get a buff in my opinion is the lorraine 40t, i tried that tank this evening after a long time and i forgot how bad it is, 20 sec clip reload and 2.5 sec intra clip for 225 is really bad in my opinion, you have a decend speed with horrible traverse and litterally no armor and only 8 degrees of gun depression , it doesnt surprise me that only 1200 players played the tank this month with only 52% wr , this is a pretty low value for a tier 8 premium that has been sold only 2 times .

charred bobcat Nov 26, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Lol it's not overhyped. Many people think it's balanced.

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formal vale Nov 26, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Tbh the Lorraine should just have a 100mm gun with less accuracy and a longer reload than the AMX 50 100. It would make the tank much more interesting to play imo. The only reason I didnt get the tank was because it was just another tier 8 med with a 90mm gun. Boring. I'll take the AMX 50 100 or T69 above the Lorrain any day.

nocturne mauve Nov 26, 2019, 6:16 PM

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@charred bobcat they think, think is the keyword here

drifting depot Nov 26, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Well it would be more like a high risk tonk tho, maybe 2 secs intra clip and 25 secs full clip for the Lorraine with a 100mm should do since it has that paper armor ._.

But ye indeed it's balanced tho, this 100mm thing would just be if it actually got an unnecessary buff

fringe apex Nov 26, 2019, 7:18 PM

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I feel like the Lorraine is quiet balanced atm....

nimble zodiac Nov 26, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Everyone who says it’s balanced probably just have the Tiger II lol. But there is the cupola left and the Tiger II can fend of a lot of shells with a dance to make the single weakspot hard to hit. Other than that and prammo I never have a hard time fighting off Tiger IIs

orchid grove Nov 26, 2019, 8:10 PM

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@formal vale My ideal world would have a 4 shell 50 100, and a 3 shell 100mm Lorraine, but to say the Lorraine is “just another tier 8 med with a 90mm gun” is pretty disingenuous. With the medium play style in between the 50 100 and the 13 90, it offers something no other tank in the game can. And also 4 shells is really satisfying compared to 3

formal vale Nov 26, 2019, 8:14 PM

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@orchid grove Yeah, the Lorraine just bores me is all. If it had that 310 alpha with the 100mm it would be way more interesting. It seems to take the worst parts from the 50 100 and the 13 90 and puts them in the same tank.

Mediocre 90mm gun
Terrible armor (to be expected)
Mediocre camo at best
Mediocre speed (doesn't justify the armor loss imo)

edit: At least the 50 100 has the alpha damage and the 13 90 has the camo and speed to justify the other characteristics of each tank

iron hearth Nov 26, 2019, 8:26 PM

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This ia the exact feeling that i have when i play the lorraine, its like the vk 45.02 A that is supposed to be the tank that stays between a german heavy and a german medium but ends up being a complete mess, at least in my opinion

unique scaffold Nov 26, 2019, 9:06 PM

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220

drowsy plaza Nov 26, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Play the 45A as a med, it does well in that role albeit slow But it doesn’t fit the gap between the Tiger (P) and 45b at all. Also I think that the Lorraine is great where it’s at.

hearty steeple Nov 27, 2019, 1:27 AM

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I feel that the Lorraine is good as it is but i definitely wouldn't mind it getting a buff but wouldn't giving it a 100mm completely outclass 50 100?

drifting depot Nov 27, 2019, 2:59 AM

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Well as long as it's not 4 shells and it has a longer reload of course, maybe the same intra clip but +5 seconds full clip?

kind bay Nov 27, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Four shells for the Lorraine is unrealistic through the 4 on the bc

raven dawn Nov 27, 2019, 6:58 AM

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Buff the angry connor. Fowards speed- 15, backwards speed-17. Buff gun depression by 1-2 degrees

kind bay Nov 27, 2019, 7:05 AM

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Agreed

harsh ravine Nov 27, 2019, 8:04 AM

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It already outclasses regular tier 5 TDs by DPM and hitpoints, so no

austere moat Nov 27, 2019, 8:19 AM

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Because I am on a roll with ideas today:

FV215B (183) -
This is just one of those tanks that every single new player wants back and every single senior player wants removed, with the select few that love it. This tank has the derpiest gun in the game, a gun that fires HESH and can erase 80% of the hitpoints off of tanks that have no armor. There are some changest that need to be made, to make it more meta:
The Changes:
Reduce dispersion.
Reduce HESH penetration greatly
Increase standing camouflage
Either A) Replace standard (AP) shell with APCR (penetration loss over distance) or B) lower AP shell penetration and shell velocity.

drifting depot Nov 27, 2019, 8:29 AM

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Well I believe 175 hesh pen should do and about the shell velocity, idk maybe 100/s less than the jag e100? Maybe even more or less than the jag cause hesh is supposed to be hella slow compared to ap

round sundial Nov 27, 2019, 9:21 AM

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AP or APCR shell type have no difference in terms of pen loss over distance, it's all changed by a modifier. Look at KV2 with like 50% pen loss or something stupid like that with AP. As for your changes..

Don't increase camo and dispersion, what is wrong with you? It's already pretty game breaking when he sits at redline with no way to get spotted and shoots people for 1k if they're lucky and don't get HESHed? You wanna make it be more reliable? The tank has no place in the game, such shame the devs missed the chance to replace it by Badger, which fits the line more and is not inherently broken.. I still think it's the best course of action, to find something in the british blueprints that would fit the line better.. Then it'd be a worse Badger, so people may complain, but it's better than the 183 for sure

noble siren Nov 27, 2019, 9:51 AM

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Will like to see buff to the upper plate armor to level when angled it can have a chance to bounce from tanks like M6exp and nerf to the ground the lower plate or as effective as the Löwe's one. This is for Tiger ll

harsh ravine Nov 27, 2019, 10:50 AM

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No, it’s already broken in it’s current state

mellow cape Nov 27, 2019, 11:20 AM

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I've explained this before but I'll explain it again for you:
Derp guns are inherently broken for the game, no matter at what tier they are or what drawbacks they come with.
This isn't WoT PC which has a 15v15 where derp guns are balanced much more since taking out a single player matters less and leaves you very vulnerable while reloading, also longer distance engagements in PC also limit the capability of derp guns.
This is why I think derp guns do not belong in the game and should be removed entirely.

latent wyvern Nov 27, 2019, 11:25 AM

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80% of the playersbase gone ^^

tulip imp Nov 27, 2019, 11:46 AM

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Only remove the 183, a tank destroyer with a gun that can yeet shells the size of a pz2 does not belong in a 7v7 game

iron hearth Nov 27, 2019, 12:10 PM

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i still dont get all this hate for the 183, it has an average wr of 45% ....

unique scaffold Nov 27, 2019, 12:11 PM

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derpy guns must stay in the game, brings diversity, also the drawbacks on them make them balanced imo, yes there are some derp tanks with too little drawbacks like su 152, but the 183 is in a decent place right now, hard to hit with it, gets spotted easily

mint charm Nov 27, 2019, 12:16 PM

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Could we get back the other modules fore Collectable vehicles back e.g. M4A3E2 Sherman Jumbos Tier VI turret and 76 mm M1A2 gun - I prefered the softer turret and faster gun, so much more that I have almost stoppes playing my Jumbo 😕

unique scaffold Nov 27, 2019, 2:10 PM

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Why this is under "chat with devs"? What does it even mean?

drowsy plaza Nov 27, 2019, 2:14 PM

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@unique scaffold because WG reads the comments, and if there are common points the Dev team considers them.

unique scaffold Nov 27, 2019, 2:26 PM

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In that case... could they tweak t5 Excelsior, AP pen is pants 91mm, APCR pen 144mm OK, sometimes you just have to spam lot of APCR to get things done, dpm & battle income take some hit. Could they tweak up APCR damage or tweak down shell price? Justification being poor AP pen => forced to rely lot on APCR.

sleek pebble Nov 27, 2019, 2:33 PM

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please buff PZ 2 J
it has ridiculously low mobility and penetration/alpha dmg ratio
ammo type: AP / APCR
pen: 23mm / 46mm
alpha dmg: 12 / 7

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prisma rampart Nov 27, 2019, 2:36 PM

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T95 needs buff from looks of this

drifting depot Nov 27, 2019, 2:43 PM

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@sleek pebble well it used to be the seal clubber for excellence ._. It just got power creeped lel

ember thunder Nov 27, 2019, 3:20 PM

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buff all churchill's track and turret armour

mellow cape Nov 27, 2019, 3:40 PM

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@prisma rampart He is pointing out how the T95 has higher effective HP/T (basically how quickly the tank goes to top speed)

desert swift Nov 27, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Can we have a redesign on the military honour system

dense yoke Nov 27, 2019, 4:30 PM

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~~My wish in wotb is that ru 251 could have armor like tiger 2~~

slate arrow Nov 27, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Bruh is t62a getting 8 degree depression?

wraith lance Nov 27, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Yes, on the open test

neon linden Nov 27, 2019, 5:38 PM

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“Derp guns ruin the game” derp guns made the game fun, I miss my Cromwell and t3485 being able to use howitzers, it was fun lobbing a 300 damage shell, watching it fly maybe hit, maybe miss

drowsy plaza Nov 27, 2019, 5:44 PM

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@desert swift what has that to do with balance? Nothing. Take it to #general-blitz-discussion

austere moat Nov 27, 2019, 5:48 PM

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The only thing the Foch needs to balance out is lowered rotational traverse