#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 142

coral nova Sep 5, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Tbh I feel like everything pens me in Foch. It’s not even that hard to pen just shot the drive wheel it’s so weak. Ohh and just shot pramo and it then has literally no armor so yay. Ohh yeah and @drifting depot why r u even in this convo u literally have no tier 10s so how would u know what best for a tier 10? Just wondering. Omg it’s aim time is not even that good @twilit crystal it’s gun trolls me so much

twilit crystal Sep 5, 2019, 1:58 PM

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The foch dpm is overkill along with aim time.

crystal basin Sep 5, 2019, 2:04 PM

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Foch sides are he magnet, and why dont we see salty comments about 263 or badgers front. I struggle more against badgers front 🤣

noble siren Sep 5, 2019, 2:10 PM

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@crystal basin well I saw yesterday Fv183 ammoracking full Badger from some stupid angle so I don't care anymore

cobalt crane Sep 5, 2019, 2:12 PM

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kv1 needed nerf

spiral ember Sep 5, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Hi

distant river Sep 5, 2019, 2:27 PM

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@tawny sail it can only be penned with good prammo or at extremely close range and even then its still bouncy. You hardly ever see the sides because of its speed. It is a WZ 120 FT with a clip and higher alpha at tier 10.

indigo knot Sep 5, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Foch only needs autoloader nerf so that if someone wants it can play it single shot 640 alpha can play it......nerf the auto loader alpha like to 560-420-640 like Kpf70 currently and a bit of dpm nerf to around 2800

unique scaffold Sep 5, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Make the Smasher a tier VIII and make the WZ a tier IX. Balance achieved.

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^the Wargaming way and this leads to the KPZ finally at tier 10

distant river Sep 5, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Tier 8*

distant river Sep 5, 2019, 3:17 PM

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@west torrent sorry for ping but you are online ^

west torrent Sep 5, 2019, 4:05 PM

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@distant river Whats up? Sorry I was in a meeting

coarse harness Sep 5, 2019, 4:13 PM

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There is that OP side armor with APCR normalization💁🏻‍♂️

📎 Screenrecorder-2019-09-05-18-00-10-2010.mp4

distant river Sep 5, 2019, 4:26 PM

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@west torrent it has been deleted already, was just someome advertising their instagram 👍

unique scaffold Sep 5, 2019, 5:56 PM

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@urban tinsel read the pinned messages

tranquil nova Sep 5, 2019, 6:44 PM

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@coarse harness that is interesting, is it consistent tho?

charred bobcat Sep 5, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Foch has always been easy to pen through the tracks. Similar to E3, E4, and E5.

harsh oriole Sep 5, 2019, 8:41 PM

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yall are saying foch lower plate is hard to hit while im getting smashed every single time there.is it really that hard to hit or is it my luck.

drifting depot Sep 5, 2019, 8:45 PM

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@coral nova I've been a lot on tier 10 tho, my obj 704's matches are like 90% tier 10 and I already developed the obj 268 so ye that's it, even with those 290 mm of pen on the obj 704 the foch is extremely hard to pen if it angles just enough so it takes some time to get a shot in, also did you just look for my in game profile tho? I mean, if you wanted some sort of proof that I'm a newbie and I shouldn't be here discussing balance well that's a little..... ugh, oh ye also forgot to say that is a lot harder to aim for mobile players, that's why it's so hard to pen it ON A MOBILE GAME and just like most turretless tds the foch should always look at the target tho so about the lower plate, to be honest with you unless you have a low height tank it's really hard to hit it; and about angling it I mean using the fact that you have gun depression so either it's just me that all the foch players i fight against are experienced players or you guys always finding either scrambled between newbies and pros or just newbies all around in wich case I'm extremely unlucky with matchmaking

tawny sail Sep 5, 2019, 8:50 PM

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There's a big difference facing the Foch and actually playing it. When you're playing the Foch, you feel like you have no armour and the only bounces are from less skilled players that don't know how to aim or load pramo. When facing it it looks red, but is actually easy to pen the weakspots or go through the drive wheel doing damage. Angling the the Foch is just stupid as if you just slightly show your side a bit too much everything goes through it like it's butter.

And @drifting depot I can tell you have no experience driving the Foch as you just can't always face your target as you need to wiggle and jiggle, even tho most of the time it doesn't matter as the enemy has some smarts and actually knows how to aim.
I play on mobile and find it extremely easy to pen the Foch in my STB both with and without pramo. Don't know what's so hard about aiming. By the time you're at tier 10 you should know how to aim.
The fochs armour is fine and not op. The Foch is not low at all. It's height is average and with that, if you are close to heavies, that angle on the front of the hull becomes almost irrelevant as they are close enough and slightly look down. And no the Foch has 5 degrees not gun depression so you can do much really. 5 degrees just allows you to play without much restriction and is pretty much the standard gun depression

quick lichen Sep 5, 2019, 8:56 PM

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No games in a tank = no opinion of that tank

unique scaffold Sep 5, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Does that mean I can't have a opinion on the 183?

coral nova Sep 5, 2019, 8:58 PM

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What @quick lichen said

rigid wigeon Sep 5, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Yes @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Sep 5, 2019, 8:59 PM

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Too bad ¯_(ツ)_/¯

indigo knot Sep 5, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Well I won't be able to give opinions on smasher 183 or T22 then

drifting depot Sep 5, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Welp, guess I can't have any opinions on the foch but nothing changes that autoloader needs a nerf, two 155mm shells take out a lot hp before being able to run away with that mobility, also I'm not reading that lmao I'm not gonna read a lot of stuff a peep writed tryna roast me or anything when there's already a mod saying that no games on it, no opinion😂

quick lichen Sep 5, 2019, 9:09 PM

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It’s biased no matter what you say

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Yes you can form a pretty good idea of a tank when you only play against it, but to truly understand it, you have to play it

coral nova Sep 5, 2019, 9:09 PM

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U can have an opinion just means there nothing behind it to take it too seriously @unique scaffold @drifting depot ohh and @drifting depot the fv4005 has auto loaded with more alpha better gun and better mobility does that need a nerf too?

quick lichen Sep 5, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Although, I would argue 183 and kv2 need so little thinking that they are exceptions to the rule

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Run calibrated and sit in a bush

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Difficult stuff

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@drifting depot enough of the reactions or you will be muted for spam

drifting depot Sep 5, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Oh ye, also at least the fv4005 can be he'd from absolutely everywhere, that's why it has so much mobility while the foch has both front armor and mobility, and about the kv2 and 183 yup, derpy mcderp dorp do the Stanky leg; you first need to get to the foch's sides and/or back in order to he it wich can only be quickly achieved at medium ranges with a medium or the bc 25 t

coral nova Sep 5, 2019, 9:20 PM

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But it takes less he then the foch would? 🤔 😂 @drifting depot and personality I rather shot a foch with he then an fv

indigo knot Sep 5, 2019, 9:20 PM

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@coral nova the problem with Foch is that it has armour and camo while 4005 doesn't have both and is a size of a house so it is easy to engage with it at range and wittle it down and eventually destroy it
But in case of Foch it is different ....the front hull is good and 640 alpha is quite intimidating especially if you are an He magnet

ripe oasis Sep 5, 2019, 9:21 PM

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The Chinese IS2 needs a buff. It's trash in every sense
I cannot describe how much I despise it's pitiful existence.
Horrific armor
Horrific accuracy
Horrific reload
Horrific aim time
Mediocre speed

coarse harness Sep 5, 2019, 9:21 PM

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@ripe oasis use the 100 mm gun

ripe oasis Sep 5, 2019, 9:31 PM

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I plan on it, oh right. 10 minutes cooldown

But I still think it's 120 should get some love. Although the next tank is all about 100mm kek.
As someone who plays heavy tanks alot, I've never hated a heavy tank. I even loved the t5 German heavy before wg removed it for no logical reason. But this sorry excuse for a heavy tank is going to be my first

drifting depot Sep 5, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Remember that heavy tanks at tier 7 with a 120/122 mm have a long reload and poor handling so you'll just have to go with it I guess

unique scaffold Sep 5, 2019, 9:35 PM

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hi

ripe oasis Sep 5, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Well the IS and premium IS2 actually hit what I'm fully aimed at, and don't BS bounce off nothing. And they have ARMOR. Aren't they faster too? Lmao. I'm happy I have 50% off tier 8s. I'm going to enjoy selling this thing

And these teams are making me lose brain cells lmao

unique scaffold Sep 5, 2019, 9:42 PM

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is just a is

fleet stump Sep 5, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Still waiting for the T95 Defender 😶

warm star Sep 5, 2019, 10:54 PM

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The Centurion 7/1’s stock grind is painful, is there any chance it could ever get a lower RP cost for the Type B 20 pdr? The 58k xp it cost me felt too high

round sundial Sep 5, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Play caernarvon and grind the B barrel there works

thick rover Sep 6, 2019, 12:59 AM

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Mine was opposite XD
For me the worst stock grinds are Leo PTA and Cent 7/1. PTA is worst but shorter, Cent is not as bad but longer

warm star Sep 6, 2019, 1:38 AM

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I didn’t think the PTA grind was bad at all, loved playing that tank

twin egret Sep 6, 2019, 2:25 AM

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Conqueror stock grind

deft owl Sep 6, 2019, 2:26 AM

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Buff tortoise and 183.

drifting depot Sep 6, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Bruh, about the 183 maybe a frontal armor buff or something since the only thing it has is the firepower, no speed and no armor but the tortoise? It looks ok for me tho, it's just like every tank in the at family but with noice firepower and pretty troll armor sometimes, even tho at that tier your 200mm of frontal armor are negated lol

unique scaffold Sep 6, 2019, 3:17 AM

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bring back ms1

karmic steeple Sep 6, 2019, 3:31 AM

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Tortoise could use a armor buff, you don’t even have to aim. But no buff for 183 it should just be removed

harsh ravine Sep 6, 2019, 3:32 AM

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I don’t get those who think the 183 needs a buff. It’s fine where it is

karmic steeple Sep 6, 2019, 3:42 AM

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I mean it’s not good rn but there’s no way to balance it with that gun

willow junco Sep 6, 2019, 3:52 AM

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183 needs to get back its original gun , the current one cannot hit a thing

quick lichen Sep 6, 2019, 3:57 AM

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Good

mellow cape Sep 6, 2019, 3:59 AM

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tortoise should have much stronger frontal hull armor (don't change the hatch though)

thick rover Sep 6, 2019, 4:17 AM

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@willow junco Yep
@mellow cape Yep maybe the sides of the gun, it's the ultimate flanking machine with awesome armour right now

coarse harness Sep 6, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Ppl shouldn't be able to pen the cheeks with AP if you angle the tank only with gold so you could use your DPM more effectively but the hatch would be still there

drifting depot Sep 6, 2019, 5:09 AM

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Maybe increase the frontal armor by like, 30 mm? Or maybe 40 tho, but to be honest I don't find it too necessary buffing the frontal armor, it already has more armor than all heavy tanks at tier 9 and some tier 10s except for German super heavy tanks but since some parts aren't even slopped guess it's really easy to pen it compared to slopped armor heavy tanks so just give it a little more I guess, don't try to make it impenetrable at the tier like the at2 tho, I know it's slow and all but trying to get an invincible tank is a really naughty move, maybe make it hard to pen from the front without only having the hatch to hit I guess, lower plate only maybe?

drifting depot Sep 6, 2019, 6:40 AM

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I also forgot to say that most hatches on the at family don't even have the right hitboxes, they're smaller than the model itself and a lot of times the shot would just go right through

sweet prism Sep 6, 2019, 6:48 AM

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Want to nerf Foch autoloader? Just nerf alpha to 560/480/750, don't bother about logic. It will be a nerf to the ground, and would still keep the tank unique.

noble siren Sep 6, 2019, 9:47 AM

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I don't have problem with its alpha I just want nerf on its troll armor so at least the heavies can pen it

deft owl Sep 6, 2019, 10:32 AM

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Have you guys ever checking devs answer? Foch 155 isnt anywhere close to being op.

distant river Sep 6, 2019, 10:34 AM

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Pre buff foch* @deft owl

Funny how a balenced tank gets a huge buff 🤔

round sundial Sep 6, 2019, 10:39 AM

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Yeah, like wtf. A pre-buff Foch was already one of the best T10 TDs by stats, how can anyone defend it now?

tawny sail Sep 6, 2019, 11:04 AM

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Pre-buff Foch was just a shadow of the 268. Now it is its own tank. No the armour is fine. Yes it could have less dpm, probably 200 less. That's all really. That way it would still compete with the 268 but not be equal or similar.

oblique parrot Sep 6, 2019, 11:06 AM

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pre-buff foch like @tawny sail said, was a poor mans obj268

distant river Sep 6, 2019, 11:07 AM

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Pre buff foch was a slightly worse 268. Now it is completely OP. The armour is not fine for the speed it has as well as having dpm and a clip.

Pre buff foch needed something to set it apart from the 268 but definitely not this

tawny sail Sep 6, 2019, 11:14 AM

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The armour is fine. Have you driven it @distant river ? Because it sure doesn't look like it. Very easily pened in the rangefinder and lowerplate. Pramo most of the time goes through the front of the hull and if the Foch slightly angles, the sides are extremely weak, so they are easily penned. It is definitely NOT completely op. The dpm is strong. The accuracy is average. All it has is dpm and speed.

flat zephyr Sep 6, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Y5 ELC is too weak.
Not much armor or speed, neither good gun
Also it has 120 alpha per shot when shooting APCR that is lower than any other 75mm premium shell

keen lily Sep 6, 2019, 11:25 AM

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I can't believe it I actually won 1st place on the camo contest for asia

dim totem Sep 6, 2019, 11:31 AM

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really?

spare notch Sep 6, 2019, 11:52 AM

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How funny it is that in the description of the obj 252u says that id a heavy balanced perfectly LMAO

coarse harness Sep 6, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Well since the previous few updates we can see that balance is not just about the performace, but also affected by the popularity of the tanks
No one used the Foch because the 268 was way better
Just like you can hardly see any british or american heavy tanks and now they got/will get crappy consumables

noble siren Sep 6, 2019, 12:07 PM

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@coarse harness now Foch155 is the better version of Jg.Pz.E100. Better gun, mobility, armor...

tawny sail Sep 6, 2019, 12:08 PM

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It just isn't. Those tanks aren't compareable

nimble zodiac Sep 6, 2019, 12:13 PM

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Side armor = Jag, Hard to git cupola= Jag, Out-trade without reload = Jag

coarse harness Sep 6, 2019, 12:18 PM

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If you compare the Foch to the 263 or the 268 that's makes much more sense
With your logic everything is better than the 183 but that is actually true🤔

noble siren Sep 6, 2019, 12:35 PM

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I just want nerf on the armor of Foch. It's just stupid to not be able to pen it with E100. I personally don't have any problem with the autoloader

tawny sail Sep 6, 2019, 12:48 PM

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E100 is known for having poor penertraion vaules. Just because one tank is under performing doesn't mean another has to be nerfed to compensate
The Foch does not need an armour nerf. The armour is fine.

grave bear Sep 6, 2019, 12:51 PM

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since when e100 is known to have poor penetration values? Lmaoo
i think 2 years had passed since its pen got buffed to basically like any other tier X HT, and even before had still amazing heat pen.
there are only 2 heavies with bad standard pen: Chieftain mk6 and maus.
all others are on literally same level.
for gold rounds, is7 and mk6 are trash, some are acceptable and others like e100, is4 have op gold pen.

shut gorge Sep 6, 2019, 12:54 PM

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Fix the tanks we currently have, before adding new one!!!😡

tawny sail Sep 6, 2019, 1:00 PM

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Honestly, everyone that is talking about the Foch needing an armour nerf sounds like they have never driven the tank. When driving it you feel paper thin and everything pens you.
When I'm against the Foch in a medium, let's say the stb, it's very easy to hit and pen with standard Apcr on the rangefinder. Heat is a 50/50 if it will go through the hull frontally but there's no point shooting there anyway unless it's with a good penning gun.
Honestly the armour is fine, you just need to aim.

coarse harness Sep 6, 2019, 1:02 PM

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260 standard pen on the Chieftain is literally the best on a T10 heavy

round sundial Sep 6, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Which is better, 260 AP or 260 APCR pen? E: Hint, not the same E2: @quick lichen Yes in general, but not the case always, look at Obj140 and T62 AP vs APCR.

shut gorge Sep 6, 2019, 1:05 PM

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They r the same

quick lichen Sep 6, 2019, 1:10 PM

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Ap is a better shell overall but apcr has more velocity

distant river Sep 6, 2019, 1:27 PM

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@tawny sail yes i have driven it. The lower plate is very small. The rangefinder is horrible troll. Most players do not use prammo and with wiggling its super easy to get them to hit the gun. The sides are strong enough to bounce at small angles. The dpm is amazing for a tank with a clip. It has speed, alpha, armour and a clip.

round sundial Sep 6, 2019, 1:35 PM

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It's pointless, I argued the same way yesterday and he is too stubborn to understand objective views -.-

noble siren Sep 6, 2019, 1:44 PM

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@round sundial well he obviously doesn't want his OP tank to get nerfed

coarse harness Sep 6, 2019, 1:54 PM

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It is strong but not broken OP

teal olive Sep 6, 2019, 2:39 PM

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@tawny sail lol new Foch is OP dude.

flat bane Sep 6, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Give Foch 155 4 shells instead of 2. The tank is not even good with the auto loader smh, omega oof give it 6 shots. That will 100% absolutely balance it 👌 😂 👌

vague pine Sep 6, 2019, 2:56 PM

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6?

noble siren Sep 6, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Give it more armor it doesn't have enough armor according to some people and maybe 10 shells instead 2 because the tank is not OP an maybe more mobility because B-C can flank it and more armor on the weak spots

flat bane Sep 6, 2019, 3:01 PM

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YES, give it more side and rear armor too. A 183 shouldn't be able to pen it with HESH. Also add 130mm of more armor to the view finders.

noble siren Sep 6, 2019, 3:13 PM

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yeah because they are not balanced enough people still manage to damage them 2times from 10 attempts

unique scaffold Sep 6, 2019, 3:28 PM

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you guys obviously forgot about the camo value...it has to be atleast 90% while firing on the move

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What tank in the game has the highest camo rating

indigo knot Sep 6, 2019, 3:36 PM

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E25

junior prairie Sep 6, 2019, 3:41 PM

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@distant river No u didnt.

noble siren Sep 6, 2019, 3:42 PM

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@indigo knot had😉

obsidian rain Sep 6, 2019, 4:08 PM

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had?

distant river Sep 6, 2019, 4:14 PM

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@junior prairie umm yes? What are you talking about?

red holly Sep 6, 2019, 4:25 PM

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I think the toroise should have it's hatch taken away. The cheeks are fine. When I angle the front and hide the side, people can't easily pen me... anywhere but the hatch. I think once the hatch is gone, the TD will reward those who learn how to angle the thing.

slim rivet Sep 6, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Wait @red holly are u saying some people do not freepex this thing?!

red holly Sep 6, 2019, 5:12 PM

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@slim rivet ...me... it's been awful so far... it's only been good to me half the time

twin galleon Sep 6, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Anyone feel like the T44 needs a slight Armor buff?

noble siren Sep 6, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Why people complain that Chieftain tier10 needs buff on its turret armor?

teal olive Sep 6, 2019, 6:43 PM

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It has weak spots littered on the front of the turret.

noble siren Sep 6, 2019, 6:55 PM

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For the Tds yes but for the rest

unique scaffold Sep 6, 2019, 6:59 PM

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anyone feels like leopard needs more alpha dmg?

quick lichen Sep 6, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Nope

slim rivet Sep 6, 2019, 7:02 PM

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True @unique scaffold tds outgun it which is annoying for a med

versed meadow Sep 6, 2019, 7:54 PM

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The is7 needs a buff, it’s underpowered

noble siren Sep 6, 2019, 8:04 PM

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ahahhahaha

jade cargoBOT Sep 6, 2019, 8:10 PM

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dynoSuccess constandastefan#9277 has been warned.

nimble zodiac Sep 6, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Imagine a tier X medium with higher than 350 alpha... hmmm... that would be pretty nice wouldn’t it?

wet quail Sep 6, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Let’s discuss... balance

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unique scaffold Sep 6, 2019, 8:36 PM

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wz 120 too op ._.

fleet stump Sep 6, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Nah, lower plate need a buff. kappa

vague pine Sep 6, 2019, 9:33 PM

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WZ is underpowered it can’t keep up with RU 251 it still hasn’t 180mm of Front armor and the lower plate is not as stront as the LÖWE lower plate. Moreover it has not the accuracy of a Skorpion G and it has not the dpm of the ISU 152. nonetheless it still hasn’t the penetration of the ISU. Now you should know that it is not OP

drifting depot Sep 6, 2019, 10:19 PM

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@nimble zodiac the tier 8 Chinese medium already has a 400 alpha gun, with like 12 or 14 reload secs, people says it has poor armor and stuff but as y'all know, unless it's russian medium tanks shouldn't be hard to pen from anywhere lol, except the turret

wet nymph Sep 6, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Bruh balances

quick lichen Sep 6, 2019, 10:30 PM

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@drifting depot nothing to do with this channel

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Move along

visual nimbus Sep 7, 2019, 1:25 AM

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Anyone else think the IS-2Sh needs a stronger turret? I fell like everything punches through.

thick rover Sep 7, 2019, 1:39 AM

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I do, I kinda gave up on that tank because everything pens even in sidescrape
@visual nimbus
I suspect it may not be from USSR 😂

wintry zinc Sep 7, 2019, 1:43 AM

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How would you guys rate the 252U in terms of op? (I'm just curious)

shy wren Sep 7, 2019, 1:52 AM

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From a scale of 1-10, 1 being absolutely useless, 10 being the Wz 120-1 G FT, I’d give the 252U an 8. Highest alpha at its tier amongst the Russian HTs, very good armor, decent mobility. If you hide the lower plate, it’s very hard to dig out and pen. You can overangle the upper plate and it’s still very strong. But like all IS-tanks (save for IS-4), 100mm of armor behind the tracks is very susceptible to be penned if you overangle too much. Cupola’s kinda weak, but they’re kinda hard to pen. Despite having decent top speed, it is more sluggish than an IS-5 (according to Armor Inspector)

iron lynx Sep 7, 2019, 2:39 AM

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Are there tanks on the scale of 1?
Might need some balancing, like maybe the Somua Sau40.

shy wren Sep 7, 2019, 2:45 AM

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In my opinion, there are currently no tanks that deserve a scale of one. Just can’t think of one. I’d rate the Sau40 as 3, not very good, there are better alternatives like the 85B, the Hetzer and the Alecto.

Average tanks will be given 5

thin ermine Sep 7, 2019, 3:43 AM

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@shy wren stock leo pta

nimble zodiac Sep 7, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Uhh, Obj 252u has highest alpha of the tier VIII pike nose tanks, since for toer you’d be so wrong, with VK 100.01 (P), VK 168.01 (P), ISU-152, ISU-130 (I think), RHM, and other tanks I’m not willing to brainstorm, or can’t, because that may be it... Obj 252u is overrated tho, ez pen lower plate and hugging a tall guy doesn’t do you too well, and there’s a lot of tall guys. U gotta hulldown at a distance at all if you wanna play hard to pen

crystal spoke Sep 7, 2019, 4:27 AM

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@jagged hare no

ruby monolith Sep 7, 2019, 4:40 AM

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Thoughts on any power creeped tanks? How’s the panther for ya?

sweet elbow Sep 7, 2019, 4:42 AM

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make the gold shell only gold

crystal spoke Sep 7, 2019, 4:53 AM

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why? its there to make it harder for a heavily armoured afv to just sit in the open without doing anything

unique scaffold Sep 7, 2019, 6:22 AM

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ye

thick rover Sep 7, 2019, 6:26 AM

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Naturally tier 9 stocks are pretty bad

wintry zinc Sep 7, 2019, 6:46 AM

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I keep getting told by others that the 252U is OP, but i'd think that it is slightly better than majority of the IS tanks in T8

unique scaffold Sep 7, 2019, 6:58 AM

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It’s not slightly IT IS better

crisp palm Sep 7, 2019, 8:50 AM

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Buff wz 121

thick rover Sep 7, 2019, 9:39 AM

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I wouldn't mind that

noble siren Sep 7, 2019, 9:47 AM

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@crisp palm it will get buff

shy wren Sep 7, 2019, 9:49 AM

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It’s a DPM buff, so rejoice

indigo knot Sep 7, 2019, 9:49 AM

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@crisp palm its getting dpm buff...3200 dpm in the next patch

crisp palm Sep 7, 2019, 9:50 AM

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😲

noble siren Sep 7, 2019, 10:04 AM

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Why Leo can't receive something to compete with hulldown tanks in the game. It needs something special because from the charts it seems that it needs buff.

grave bear Sep 7, 2019, 10:04 AM

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3200 dpm too much
Leo1 is powercreeped, gun or mobility or camo rate, nothing of these 3 are good enough or worth having basically worse armor than bc.

indigo knot Sep 7, 2019, 10:20 AM

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Leo1 needs a buff in terms for soft stats turret rotation and hull rotation dispersion buff and aim time buff to like 2.2-2.3 sec fully equipped along with turret traverse buffed
Pta also needs a buff .....for a few charts or stats by WG it the always competing for last position(give it 7 dep of gun depression and same dpm as type 61)
Grille 15 also needs some buff like mobility (traverse and top speed)(no camo or only bit of camo buff similar to E3 level as everyone will just sit behind near a red line and farm) a bit of pen buff to like 290 and 360-370 heat will also be nice
Wz120 tier 9 will be getting dpm buff but rather it needs gun depression buff to 5 deg as lacks a lot in terms of flexibility

ruby oriole Sep 7, 2019, 10:28 AM

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The leopard 1 is fine as it is. Its just hard to play because of its armour. But whatever, im honestly not gonna complain if WG buffs it LMAO I love that thing alr

indigo knot Sep 7, 2019, 10:32 AM

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Well you look at charts its been in the bottom 3 of the charts #devs-answers from 5.6
And yeah it does need a buff ......
Leo1 was sometimes used by pro players in tournaments earlier but now they would simply pick 30b over due to its troll turret

cloud ivy Sep 7, 2019, 10:33 AM

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buff 120 1 ft dpm 4000

grave bear Sep 7, 2019, 10:42 AM

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Leo1 has nothing good going for it, the gun or mobility are not worth to pick it instead of a super bouncy stb-1.

indigo knot Sep 7, 2019, 10:49 AM

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Seem WG used to show every tank in the charts but after seeing prems doing bettr they decided not to

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grave bear Sep 7, 2019, 10:54 AM

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@indigo knot is that 6.1 charts?
oh, 5.4

unique scaffold Sep 7, 2019, 11:29 AM

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Tanks below 1% play rate aren't shown.

dull gate Sep 7, 2019, 11:32 AM

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Are these charts just showing players with 55-65% win rate?

unique scaffold Sep 7, 2019, 11:33 AM

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Yes

ruby oriole Sep 7, 2019, 11:38 AM

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@indigo knot by your logic, the T-62A needs another buff since it has roughly the same winrate as the Leopard, and we all know it doesnt need a buff

dull gate Sep 7, 2019, 11:42 AM

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If half the players have a 55-65wr in these tanks, wouldn’t the other half have 45-35wr? Seems like I’m always stuck with the later by MM.

noble siren Sep 7, 2019, 12:03 PM

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I feel like Leo is really underpowered (I can play it so don't tell me the gid gud argument) with these mediums with super strong turret armor or better DPM. I think that a little buff on its gun mantlet armor will be good idea because this will help it to bounce a little more (its turret armor is the weakest) and DPM buff

near warren Sep 7, 2019, 12:21 PM

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I personally think that m4fl10 penetration should be buffed and some other thing on it because in a game I was shooting a bulldog with around 10 shots with normal ammo and premium and only 2 of those shots pen ( all of them hit) and also with tier 8 games it's nearly impossible to pen heavy tanks even with premium rounds. Edit and yes it's a new special tank but for 31$ AUD and it's tier 7 not that worth it

karmic steeple Sep 7, 2019, 12:55 PM

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If you can’t pen a bulldog that’s not the tank bud. Also a tier 7 med isn’t really supposed to be able to pen tier 8 heavy tanks

indigo knot Sep 7, 2019, 1:21 PM

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@ruby oriole this is WG logic that a tank that isn't performing well in charts will be buffed and by that logic I can write my views and i didn't ask for 62a buff coz i know it doesn't need one but Leo1 does
And by that logic Leo1 desparately needs a buff and so does Pta and Grille but they won't be fiddling with the tier 10 till twisters are over

thick rover Sep 7, 2019, 1:24 PM

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My mind

teal olive Sep 7, 2019, 3:44 PM

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I have foreseen twister tourneys. Foch’s... Foch’s and T22s everywhere!

distant river Sep 7, 2019, 3:46 PM

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And the poor teams using STBs instead of T22s, with a couple of 215bs thrown in for fun

noble siren Sep 7, 2019, 5:24 PM

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@teal olive because they need sKiLls

crisp palm Sep 7, 2019, 5:25 PM

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yee t22 is only skill tenk..stronku tenk

verbal orchid Sep 7, 2019, 7:13 PM

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foch 155 cupula is unpenetrable ..

fiery flame Sep 7, 2019, 7:53 PM

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U aim bad

Edit: to be a bit more constructive, the two side bits are spaced armour and don’t count as a hit box, shoot the middle bit and you will pen really easy

noble siren Sep 7, 2019, 8:17 PM

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can we make WG stop doing hulldown tanks it's OP and stupid, don't bother yourseld to shoot the rangefinders because they are more broken than the tanks itself @verbal orchid

verbal orchid Sep 7, 2019, 8:21 PM

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@fiery flame

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slim rivet Sep 7, 2019, 8:36 PM

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Use gold @verbal orchid u will miss some shots but it’s kinda easy to pen it

verbal orchid Sep 7, 2019, 8:37 PM

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I was using gold

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noble siren Sep 7, 2019, 8:38 PM

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The rangefinders are more broken that the tank itself. "My Foch can't bounce anything OwO"

distant river Sep 7, 2019, 8:39 PM

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The top part of the cupola is angled so basically impossible to pen even with prammo (and people say its a huge weakspot) @verbal orchid

round sundial Sep 7, 2019, 8:48 PM

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The lower part too

noble siren Sep 7, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Yo Foch155 deserves to be nerfed to the ground from every aspect for receiving this massive buffs (the people playing this OPAF tank don't you even try to defend it, that it's not OP)

thin fable Sep 7, 2019, 8:58 PM

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True

tranquil nova Sep 7, 2019, 9:01 PM

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It has two cupulas, how’s that OP u nubs:)))

distant river Sep 7, 2019, 9:03 PM

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It doesnt deserve to be nerfed to the ground it just needs its autoloader removed. Unfortunately that means WG has to indirectly admit they were wrong so that is never going to happen.

unique scaffold Sep 7, 2019, 9:07 PM

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It has 2 cupolas that are pennable with gold and RNGesus blessing

nimble zodiac Sep 7, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Shoot the right spot on the cupola... or the lower plate...

karmic steeple Sep 7, 2019, 9:15 PM

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It was literally fine b4 idk why they went ahead and buffed trolly cupola and gave it the autolader. Also bottom plate is extremely tiny

Now there’s at least one in every battle if that doesn’t say something about how good it is rn idk what does

round sundial Sep 7, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Going by the stats of pre-autoloader Foch - 2700 DPM and 2 weak cupolas were enough to make it one of the best T10 TDs by stats. Now it has the autoloader, I suggest it should trade DPM for burst damage, as all autoloaders should, so where does that leave us? 2400 DPM and weak cupolas at best! Perhaps even less DPM, cuz Grille dead in 7 seconds is insane E: I'm not a TD player, I have 7 battles in my entire carreer on TDs, and that was the gift T3 SU76L. But 2k HE burst was a point Grille drivers were making when discussing Foch 155 @nimble zodiac

nimble zodiac Sep 7, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Why u chillin in the crosshairs of 152mm HE?

noble siren Sep 7, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Very disappointed how WG make nerfs and buffs

karmic steeple Sep 7, 2019, 9:31 PM

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“Hmm yes random tank no one cares about and is balanced needs big buff big brain time”

noble siren Sep 7, 2019, 9:36 PM

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I may sound stupid but WG should leave E50M as it is now, because it needs to be a counter against STB and the other tanks with strong turrets

karmic steeple Sep 7, 2019, 9:41 PM

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I mean it’s just being powercreeped as other meds get buffs and the t22 being released so it hasn’t been as big of a problem

unique scaffold Sep 7, 2019, 9:45 PM

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The leopard 1 has never had a buff ever if I’m right

twin egret Sep 7, 2019, 10:31 PM

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idk

drifting depot Sep 7, 2019, 11:31 PM

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Just do the Stanky leg on any foch cause you finna get demolished kid unironically starts dancing

It's basically a normal is but with better accuracy and stuff like that OH AND IT'S ALSO ENRICHED yaaaaaaaay

sterile lichen Sep 7, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Ok IS 2 needs a turret armor buff or a frontal armor buff

devout flower Sep 8, 2019, 12:08 AM

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Are you joking @sterile lichen? The IS 2 is fine where it is.

native summit Sep 8, 2019, 12:44 AM

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Can we get rid of collectables and have some actually new content instead of having to buy tanks that were supposed to be in the tech tree, and have 5.5 reverted

thick rover Sep 8, 2019, 1:18 AM

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@round sundial Yes autoloaders should trade DPM for Burst

primal yacht Sep 8, 2019, 1:28 AM

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Know what sucks about this game the most? When you’re in a TD, even one with good gun depression, waiting for a red tank to pop up over a hill, and a turreted tank just sits there moving back and forth from behind the hill and hits you every time, yet your shells always miss. Totally unrealistic. He’s constantly moving and all his shots land, and you’re just sitting there aiming, and none of yours do. Or they bounce off his turret if you actually do hit him.

flat bane Sep 8, 2019, 1:29 AM

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I hope this is a joke XDDDDDD

sterile lichen Sep 8, 2019, 1:35 AM

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@devout flower it cant seem to bounce anything

sullen vault Sep 8, 2019, 2:08 AM

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Imagine bouncing a Foch 155.Literally if a 121 can yolo spam heat on the move on my upper hull and you people are having serious trouble penning it,then thats on you.For me i rarely bounce in it.Also the auto doesnt need to be removed because by then its just a non special tank,just nerf the auto's reload.

drifting depot Sep 8, 2019, 2:53 AM

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Imagine tanks that bounce even from the back including when there's not even a single chunk of red, oh is tanks exist

flat bane Sep 8, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Just remove all the tanks, that will balance everything. 👏 😤 👌

quick lichen Sep 8, 2019, 4:52 AM

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@flat bane all tanks but one. Ms-1 baby

dim oxide Sep 8, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Please not MS1. Let UE 57 the only playable tank. All other tanks just needs to be researched and bought to fill in the garage. True collectibles to be admired in your garage. 😀 😀 😀

sleek vault Sep 8, 2019, 5:35 AM

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give Tankenstein some accuracy and make 105mm gun available for rating :(
and maybe reload time reduction to 130mm gun since come on you can't do anything with 18 sec reload while the pen and accuracy is suckass

drifting depot Sep 8, 2019, 6:22 AM

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Just give every tank a 0.001 dispersion so no one blames rng when they miss lol

tawny basalt Sep 8, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Pls buff kv4 it's too slow and it's big af making it hard to find cover

drifting depot Sep 8, 2019, 6:47 AM

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It's slow for the only reason that it's extremely hard to pen even from the sides for meds, light tanks and non-upgraded heavy tanks and lower tier tanks, you can also still bounce from your rear if angled just enough so I guess it's fair, you shouldn't go to the open on a heavy armored slow tank either so it shouldn't be hard to find cover

ionic kraken Sep 8, 2019, 8:07 AM

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Why the hell do soviet tanks (and most light tanks) have ADAMANTIUM TRACKS?! Everytime I play Blitz, there is one game I loose, because I couldn't kill a certain low hp tank when I shoot it DIRECTLY in the side, where the 999mm tracks stop the shot no matter the size (Not just HEAT or HE, but AP and APCR)

compact nymph Sep 8, 2019, 8:15 AM

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T-22 medium sides are balanced

slim rivet Sep 8, 2019, 8:26 AM

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If u shot gold ammo in tracks it might be a problem indeed.... @ionic kraken

noble siren Sep 8, 2019, 8:49 AM

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I can't understand people. When something has armor why do I have to spam gold always. It's stupid to make tank which can be penned only with gold from most of the tanks. If you have a lot of credits in the game ok, but I don't want to lose these credits because WG can't balance buffed tanks I want to research tanks with them . So don't you even try to use the argument "Uh JuSt SpAm GoLd AmMo"

tawny sail Sep 8, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Premium ammo is in the game for a reason... and that’s a reason, to pen things

sweet prism Sep 8, 2019, 9:03 AM

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So I recently bought m36 jackson. Anybody else thinks it is too good?

distant river Sep 8, 2019, 9:03 AM

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The fochs armour is not the thing causing the problem, its the gun. Unfortunately its unlikely WG will successfully balence the gun so something else needs to be changed.

dim field Sep 8, 2019, 10:09 AM

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The Jackson is fine

round sundial Sep 8, 2019, 10:30 AM

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Prammo is just another type of ammo. In fact, the only reason it gets such hate is the fact that early, when WoT was starting, you could only purchase it with gold, and it's now stuck with that reputation. I'm still angry they nerfed prammo to the ground here, the cost means it should be the better ammo, not a tradeoff

unique scaffold Sep 8, 2019, 10:40 AM

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Give the Kpfpz 70 HE the T49 HE alpha, since they are guns of similar type. When I shoot HE and it pens, it does the same amount I do normally with APCR, and it's not tolerable

grave bear Sep 8, 2019, 1:55 PM

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^^^^

round sundial Sep 8, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Haha, so many downvotes, must be from the uhm, players who complain when someone uses prammo on their tank👌 😂 E: How come prammo should be equal to standart ammo? Then make it as expensive🤷 In Wot pc prammo still has the same damage and it works well, why should it have lower damage here ? @slim rivet

slim rivet Sep 8, 2019, 2:22 PM

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U started well (pramo is just another kind of ammo) and ended bad (the angry part) @round sundial

noble siren Sep 8, 2019, 2:38 PM

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@round sundial they nerfed prammo because players who have a lot of resources that they not use (credits or gold idk) you can literally put only prammo and pretend that you have skill or brain, while players like me (still grinding tanks) can't afford to use prammo very often. For example if everyone spam gold because BIG BRAIN TIME then where tf Maus has place, the only thing that is "unique" for the Maus is its "armor".

unique scaffold Sep 8, 2019, 2:48 PM

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@analog briar read the pinned messages. This isn't the place to complain about match making.

round sundial Sep 8, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Yeah, but the worst enemy of Maus is the equipment change that brought calibrated shells. Without them, Maus is pretty much impenetrable by T10 heavies, with them it is. Not prammo itself. And my main point is why pay so much more for a shell that is more like a trade off than a better shell, which the price suggests

rotund bay Sep 8, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Just give me the 105mm gun for the hetzer back and I will peersonally drive to your headquarters to thank every person in the building there

distant river Sep 8, 2019, 3:29 PM

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@rotund bay Why would you want to play tier 4?

full token Sep 8, 2019, 3:57 PM

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They removed the derp guns from lower tiers for pretty much all tanks. No chance they’ll give back any tank one

twin egret Sep 8, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Remember, be glad that premium ammunition doesn't do the same damage as regular ammunition anymore

full token Sep 8, 2019, 5:27 PM

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WG reduced the dmg and the cost by 15% btw. The cost isn’t that low but it’s still 15%, so not as bad. If you want the old regular amount of dmg, you might even have to get more expensive shells again

keen breach Sep 8, 2019, 5:33 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/tank-world-of-tanks-kv2-gif-6151532 I NEED THE B.F.G OF! THE KV2!

Tenor

ruby oriole Sep 8, 2019, 5:44 PM

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@round sundial Gold is working well for WoT PC? You’re hilarious. There is a reason why that game is going very, VERY down hill right now. Premium rounds cost less now. And it actually requires a certain situation to use, not like the old heat spamming T-54. It actually makes you consider when and where to use it. A player can no longer spam heat at a leopard 1, and they actually have to think. If you think that we hate premium rounds because it is used against us, I think you’re wrong. Personally, I think you should learn how to think ◡̈

untold marlin Sep 8, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Can i know how to pen t22 tier 10 premium tank

slim rivet Sep 8, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Aim for the cupola

round frost Sep 8, 2019, 5:55 PM

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More credits pls, I do a lot of damage, equip standard shells, repair kit and first aid kit, 1 or 2 provisions, and all I get is 2000 credits or less (tier 7 IS)

untold marlin Sep 8, 2019, 6:13 PM

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The cupola so small dude, I aim for lower glacis and the shot just seems to go through, and the weird thing about the side armor is that sometimes I can pen it when it is flat, but sometimes I cannot. Furthermore, the t-22 can sidescrape better than a maus, how is that balanced for a medium tank with gun depression, speed, good dpm and a low profile. I just want to know how to pen the sides reliably, or if it's even possible to do so, because i just aim for the front of the tank with my obj 268 and ignore the sides completely. I can pen the e50m turret, e100 turret, maus cheecks with heat. But for some reason, I cannot pen the t-22 turret with more than 350 plus mm of pen with my 268. Im gonna rant, I hate fighting that tank in tier 10 battles. It's not fun at all.

noble siren Sep 8, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Yo Is4 is perfect for trolling Fv183

keen breach Sep 8, 2019, 6:27 PM

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😄 YES

ionic kraken Sep 8, 2019, 6:49 PM

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@slim rivet I shot an Ru 251 in the sides with an APCR shell with more than 300mm of pen... Track absorbed it...

crystal basin Sep 8, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Sometimes armors just make unbelievable rngesus approved dings, like shooting bc's front with pze100 and dinging it. And btw why is all tanks bottom armor is some adamantium mix? Just had a round when shot su152 he, right bottom of tier 7 fv heavy when it came up from hill and just 200dam? Same happened fv183 vs Is7 bellyarmor in Same spot.... Least in pc wot they eat he right in(like it should)

drifting depot Sep 8, 2019, 7:12 PM

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@ionic kraken look mate, no matter how much pen your shots have if you don't aim it correctly the shot will go through the tracks and then disappear meaning that where you aimed the shot wasn't going to hit any parts of the tank, just like when you shoot the front part of a Churchill tank when it's sideways the shot goes through only damaging the tracks without any hp damage, the only cases where tracks can actually absorb the shell it's when you have low penetration on a tank that you can barely pen or you used he, hesh or heat on the tracks

supple jolt Sep 8, 2019, 8:08 PM

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English only

sullen vault Sep 8, 2019, 8:13 PM

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flygons message hit me hard, agreed 100%

frigid sky Sep 8, 2019, 8:42 PM

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@untold marlin if you’re shooting a t22 with “350” plus pen in a 268 then you shooting gold/pramo right?
If so I’m not surprised that u can’t pen because t22 has spaced armor on the sides .(this basically is like 2 layers of armor || ,and as HEAT shells explode on the first thing they touch you are only penetrating the first layer of armor). You would be better of shooting standard AP at it...

queen mason Sep 8, 2019, 9:22 PM

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WG really needs to nerf the dumb OBJ 252U, that tank is so annoyingly DUMB. The armor for one is BROKEN for it’s tier and the lower plate? Doesn’t even matter nobody shoots there. The gun? Bloody, it never misses a damn shot most of the time. As a tier 7 I can deal with them most of the time but the armor is so dang trolly. I shot AP on the side of the tank and my shot was aimed between the track and the spaced armor, didn’t matter it bounced even when there is 0% red there.

Well if you have a lower tier light with heat, it’s not terrible to deal with from range but up close makes it amazingly hard.

crystal spoke Sep 8, 2019, 9:26 PM

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It's a t8 heavy why would it be easy to fight as a tier lower then it

drifting depot Sep 8, 2019, 9:35 PM

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Mmmm welp even if there's no red the shots bounce, even on the front no matter if it's a tier lower tho, I agree with that

karmic steeple Sep 8, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Can I ask what the 252 gives up for the amount of armor it has? Bc to me it seems to have about the same gun as the tier 8 is tanks

drifting depot Sep 8, 2019, 9:45 PM

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For some reason the dispersion doesn't show up the same as the other tier 8 heavies on the reticle, maybe it's because it's harder to achieve max speed than with other tanks tho and the armor is also extremely high

vestal dove Sep 8, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Buff the is7 gun

drifting depot Sep 8, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Nah, it's already a 130 mm lul, it looks good for me

nimble zodiac Sep 9, 2019, 12:29 AM

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Heavies don’t get really good guns, and the IS-7 is good for holding terrestrial positions with the streamlined turret

sullen vault Sep 9, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Nah the is7 has been powercreeped for a good amount of time,why play it when you got so many options that are better.Even when you play it,its one of the most fustrating heavies and tank in t10.The gun handling is bad,terrible apcr pen,the armor is irrelevant the moment someone has just one braincell and the traverse drags it down.

karmic steeple Sep 9, 2019, 2:16 AM

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Nah I still think is7 is better than a decent amount of the heavies is say it’s about middle of the road

harsh ravine Sep 9, 2019, 2:16 AM

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I feel more confident in the Maus than the IS7. The IS7 is no longer it’s former self but at the same time it’s a good thing

nimble zodiac Sep 9, 2019, 2:17 AM

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Troll side armor still works occasionally

sullen vault Sep 9, 2019, 2:22 AM

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What heavies lol? The only tanks i can think that can get close to competing the IS7 on worst heavy is the vk 72 and maybe the E5, but those have a different playstyle and are far more effective in them.Why play an IS7 when you got the 113,215b or IS4.

karmic steeple Sep 9, 2019, 2:34 AM

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Would you really take the autoloaders or the e100 over the is7
I’m not arguing against the tanks you mentioned I’m saying it’s not the worst or best it’s middle of the road

static thicket Sep 9, 2019, 3:27 AM

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I would definitely say the IS-7 is better than a few tanks, especially the e100, but I will agree there are much better options

thick rover Sep 9, 2019, 4:24 AM

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@harsh ravine
You mean powercreeped? Just curious

drifting depot Sep 9, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Y'all know that just because it's russian it doesn't mean it MUST be the best of the best Right? Like yeah I guess you have that line full of communism launchers on the td lines and Stalin's refrigerator with a huge gulag ticket launcher attached but it doesn't mean all must be the same

crystal spoke Sep 9, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Cough cough is2sh

drifting depot Sep 9, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Yup, that's one of the greatest examples of Russia forgetting to add some Stalinium to a tank's armor

crystal spoke Sep 9, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Yeah tbh I don't think I've touched it in 2 years bc It feels like anything else is a better option

coarse harness Sep 9, 2019, 5:05 AM

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The one with 60 mm armor behind the tracks and a weak turret🤔
But you can fight against russia with the pure capitalist Chrisler K wich is better in every aspect

smoky yoke Sep 9, 2019, 5:23 AM

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Chrysler K is not really that popular , in the 10k games I have played , I have been really the only one that plays it in NA which is surprising. Since it came out in christmas I thought it was op but it was balanced out with the crappy penetration and all those m6a that you can only pen if rng is on your side or you flank it. I got it for really cheap in christmas box gold discounts where 50 bucks was 44k gold.

twin egret Sep 9, 2019, 5:40 AM

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bad gun to balance out the armor, speed, agility and traverse

iron lynx Sep 9, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Seems fair, no?

dim field Sep 9, 2019, 6:06 AM

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I have a Chrysler but hated it, it's not for me. Haven't touched it since, regret getting it

coarse harness Sep 9, 2019, 6:48 AM

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Still better than the IS-2SH

thick rover Sep 9, 2019, 7:00 AM

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Ye

indigo knot Sep 9, 2019, 7:04 AM

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And better than mauerbrecker too

jolly star Sep 9, 2019, 7:28 AM

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i think i did well, is this a good match?

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thick rover Sep 9, 2019, 9:19 AM

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Plez fix IS-2sh

civic crater Sep 9, 2019, 10:17 AM

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I have a problem facing in game

jolly kayak Sep 9, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Hi

noble siren Sep 9, 2019, 11:29 AM

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Bruh Grille needs better camo rate then Obj268

tawny sail Sep 9, 2019, 11:37 AM

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@noble siren why do you keep saying this tank needs to have this better than this tank? Just say X tank needs to have X improvement instead of just comparing and complaining about 2 tanks

warm star Sep 9, 2019, 12:04 PM

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When I first got the IS-2sh I thought it was pretty good but I swear it’s been nerfed since two years ago because I tried out a battle when I came back to the game after a few months and it felt way worse but maybe it was always bad

indigo knot Sep 9, 2019, 12:12 PM

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@noble siren no it doesn't
The gun is accurate with good shell velocity
If it does get better camo than 268 then it will be like 183 everyone sitting at back and sniping accurately at anyone
It needs a bit of camo buff only to e3 levels but the thing it needs is traverse buff, pen buff (290,357,85) so that it can snipe better and move around the map when spotted and not like everyone is just sitting at the back with red line and just enjoying wrecking you when you poke

noble siren Sep 9, 2019, 12:37 PM

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Ok not better something similar because I want is to shoot and don't get spotted from super long range which is stupid, trust me I'm not someone who sits back at the spawn and stays the whole game there with a TD. But i keep getting spotted in bushes without doing anything.

nimble zodiac Sep 9, 2019, 12:39 PM

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There’s this certain flora which is commonly used to conceal your tank, legend has it if you back up out of the bush in sniper mode to where it’s not transparent at all, then you can fire without regret of being spotted

azure tiger Sep 9, 2019, 12:41 PM

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Grille need more mobility and camo than obj tds....

drifting depot Sep 9, 2019, 12:50 PM

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Why do y'all think it needs more mobility and camo while the obj tds have a super low profile specially compared with the grille..... it's like when you see a 6,1 person walking around with a 5,2 guy you know? And yet is already annoying when there's a grille successfully camping from the other side of the map then quickly relocating with that mobility, basically everything is god tier except for the armor just like with the leopard 1

twin egret Sep 9, 2019, 12:53 PM

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yes, when the FV4005 is 10% taller than the Grille, yet has better camo rating than the grille

azure tiger Sep 9, 2019, 12:56 PM

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Mobility of 268 is as good as the grille ( maybe better rotation ) and 268 HAVE ARMOR when grille doesn’t have

noble siren Sep 9, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Obj268 is maybe the best Td because it has really good mobilty good and trolly armor, canon shotgun + Russian biased accuracy on all russian tanks and camo rate. I mean everything is really good on obj268 then on the Grille

drifting depot Sep 9, 2019, 1:06 PM

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I can't deny that yes, the grille needs better camo but I don't think it needs as much as a smol boi, and about the armor, remember it is made out of Stalinium and it's based on the is8's hull too so it's no surprise lul

twin egret Sep 9, 2019, 1:12 PM

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IS-8 hull, yet the IS-8 hull on the obj 268 is more effective than the IS-8 itself

crisp palm Sep 9, 2019, 1:17 PM

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It really do be like that sometimes

drifting depot Sep 9, 2019, 1:21 PM

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Yah, and also remember how russian tanks work in real life and how much wg seems to love them, I guess the t-34 was more like quantity over quality but well y'all get it

clever void Sep 9, 2019, 1:42 PM

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The top part of the 268 is NOT IS-8 armour. You need to remember to shoot the lower part

noble siren Sep 9, 2019, 2:05 PM

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@drifting depot Wg loves the russians and that's a fact

coarse harness Sep 9, 2019, 2:14 PM

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KV-4 cries in the corner

karmic steeple Sep 9, 2019, 3:22 PM

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^^totally balance discussion related

untold marlin Sep 9, 2019, 3:41 PM

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These guys complaining about the 268's camo, but completely forgetting the fact that the grille has a turret, and a much more accurate gun for sniping with good mobility. Lmao. I find it instresting that people are calling russian bias for tds, but no one is talking about how the foch can do 1280 dmg in just 1 clip amd has better speed and armor.

unique scaffold Sep 9, 2019, 3:43 PM

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The Foch may be a bit overturned but let's be honest. Screaming "French Bias!!!" just sounds silly.

coarse harness Sep 9, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Baguette Bias🤔

noble siren Sep 9, 2019, 4:23 PM

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@untold marlin wait Grille15 has turret? From when?

mental nymph Sep 9, 2019, 4:25 PM

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Will the Blitz Fair event be coming this year in Christmas. I really want it to be. Plz reply.....

unique scaffold Sep 9, 2019, 4:28 PM

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We don't know

loud heron Sep 9, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Chinese is2 has a horrible aiming time

unique scaffold Sep 9, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Of course it does it’s made in China

grave bear Sep 9, 2019, 7:03 PM

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blitz fair will 100% come as It does every year, if its not coming means WoTb is 1 feet away from death.

chilly crane Sep 9, 2019, 7:29 PM

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Buff T-32 it has a bad gun. Please do something

drifting depot Sep 9, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Big bruh moment, it doesn't as far as I know it's just like every other American tank, low hull armor and strrronk turret with high penetration

round sundial Sep 9, 2019, 9:05 PM

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T32 has a T29 gun on tier 8, and tier for tier it's armour is worse, soooo yea, I get where they all come from. That being said, I didn't have a particularly bad time playing the tank, but that was some time ago and more OP tanks were introduced in T8

drifting depot Sep 9, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Meh, considering updates I guess today it isn't actually bad but it isn't the best either so I guess you can say "you have better options"

round sundial Sep 9, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Yeah, true, T34 is basically a better version of T32. I hate that premiums are better than tech tree tanks, but people here seem to like it and there are so many OP prems around that balancing them to be comparable to tech tree tanks is impossible, so yeah. Despite this, I oppose buffing everything, as WG is known for overbuffing everything they try to buff, just look at the Foch. Also that leads to powercreep, which is inevitable, but buffing everything that is mediocre will speed it up significantly

drifting depot Sep 9, 2019, 10:48 PM

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I guess there's only a couple of tech tree tanks capable of keeping up with premium tanks tho, most of them being the big russian communism launchers like the behemoth gun on the su-152 lul and others like the German jg pz e100

sullen vault Sep 10, 2019, 12:44 AM

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T32 was amazing for me and i played it during spring season.The turret is godlike and best in the whole line,the gun functions like it should.Although i only see it needed an apcr buff and a little on gun handling.

drifting depot Sep 10, 2019, 12:47 AM

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You know what, don't even ask for a buff on tanks that aren't the best or the worst, they're just gonna get overbuffed like, 2 secs reticle close up or something

thick rover Sep 10, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Well Grille doesn't need 268 kind of camo, just buff it reasonably, have yet to look at the numbers so I can't give any suggestions.
Either that or give gun depression 1-2 degree more on sides
Or buff engine?

Just for consideration

harsh ravine Sep 10, 2019, 1:25 AM

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what Grille need is a traverse buff. It’s based on the Panther chassis so therefore it should have better traverse than the Panther because it is lighter than the Panther itself

thick rover Sep 10, 2019, 2:00 AM

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You brought the panther thing to justify a buff not justify a buff to traverse such that it's better than panther right, cause idk that might be unbalanced

round briar Sep 10, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Hey guys foch 155 will be nurf??

drifting depot Sep 10, 2019, 2:13 AM

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Maybe in like 2 or 3 updates

thick rover Sep 10, 2019, 2:14 AM

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No one knows, many hope it will, but most likely after Twister or it may affect team compositions @round briar

Let's have a discussion about the current state of the Leopard 1, any thoughts on if it should be buff?

Personally I hope for a "penetration loss with distance" buff, currently it's 10/12 In placement of Tier X MT, while it's role is flank sniping, pretty contradictory don't tell me APCR naturally loses pen with distance more because T-62A is best in this field and it uses APCR..

Or a aim time buff? To make its role more prominent, the T-62A diminished it with the last accuracy buff

fickle obsidian Sep 10, 2019, 2:45 AM

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Leopard 1 is fun. To ram with my 263

unique scaffold Sep 10, 2019, 3:01 AM

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Foch 155 needs buff tbh

mental nymph Sep 10, 2019, 3:27 AM

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SP1C needs a buff maybe on its magazine reload ...

thick rover Sep 10, 2019, 4:06 AM

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@fickle obsidian AHAHAH anticlimax

@unique scaffold +_+

mystic gorge Sep 10, 2019, 4:18 AM

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This is all I have to show for u to understand

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flat bane Sep 10, 2019, 4:27 AM

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000 XD

unique scaffold Sep 10, 2019, 4:53 AM

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@mystic gorge nO nAmE aNd ShAmInG

mystic gorge Sep 10, 2019, 4:54 AM

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@unique scaffold oh well

thick rover Sep 10, 2019, 5:05 AM

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So what? I just have to show a 0 damage Foch game to show it's not OP? And everyone understands..

agile fiber Sep 10, 2019, 6:18 AM

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crisp palm Sep 10, 2019, 6:48 AM

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He must be pro..100% best twister player

thick rover Sep 10, 2019, 8:12 AM

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VK100.01P side skirts are thicker than Maus !?

civic crater Sep 10, 2019, 8:33 AM

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boreal aspen Sep 10, 2019, 8:58 AM

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Devs... any chance we can get the option to increase the size of the mini map one size larger then the current large 3X to a 4 X... on my screen 2600 x 1600 it is way too small (3X) for what I would like to see! Maybe even have a 5X too?

latent snow Sep 10, 2019, 10:28 AM

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I second this

tired basin Sep 10, 2019, 10:45 AM

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The progetto is going to be the worst DPM in t10

kind swallow Sep 10, 2019, 11:05 AM

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@tired basin dpm from blitzhangar is kinda false
Cos u can count dpm as only
1 shot(lowest)
2 shot(3.3k?)
3 shot (over 4k dpm)
And still, u can count dpm as a typical autoloader

thick rover Sep 10, 2019, 11:12 AM

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Hard to count DPM ya

quick lichen Sep 10, 2019, 11:28 AM

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Just look at it as a single shot gun and use that as a reference

indigo knot Sep 10, 2019, 11:33 AM

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Can we see a nerf to waffle.....
Sure it is the most popular tank but it is a tier 9.5 Td with good traverse , gun depression , fully rotating turret and camo ratings
It needs nerf in one of these areas

elfin marlin Sep 10, 2019, 11:33 AM

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No waffle is fine as it is. Grill needs a reverse speed buff and traverse speed buff

noble siren Sep 10, 2019, 11:44 AM

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Wt is fine as it is now, there's no reason to touch i

dull gate Sep 10, 2019, 11:53 AM

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Any word when the new line of tanks will deploy?

shy wren Sep 10, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Next update, that’s all we know

distant river Sep 10, 2019, 12:37 PM

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I think waffle is slightly overcooked but i dont really see what they could nerf. Also anything WG tries to do will be way too much so for all purposes it is fine how it is.

round sundial Sep 10, 2019, 12:54 PM

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@kind swallow Afaik those numbers are false, because in WoTB, the reload between shells needs to be finished before new shell starts being loaded, thus giving it a terrible DPM in comparison to other medium tanks. Imo, this will make the spaghetto very weak, as it's strongest characteristic will be the autobounce hull.

E: Buff Grille? The gameplay at T10 is already static enough cuz noone wants to peek and get hit from a random bush by TD. If anything, I'd propose buff of medium tanks or nerf TDs to promote fast paced gameplay better

willow junco Sep 10, 2019, 12:55 PM

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#buffgrille

mystic gorge Sep 10, 2019, 1:20 PM

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@willow junco u speak the truth

old reef Sep 10, 2019, 1:35 PM

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Dear WG didn't You were thinking about to give t95 5 more km/h ?? 15 km/h is not enough for most of maps...Especialy when your team has light setup...

quick lichen Sep 10, 2019, 1:49 PM

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@old reef you have the thickest frontal armor in the game. Plan in advance

old reef Sep 10, 2019, 1:51 PM

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@quick lichen moischen and maus also has greate armorand still have 20 and 25km/h... and planing dosen't help, when your team dies before you gwt to them...

quick lichen Sep 10, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Armor is heavy. Physics tells us that more weight requires more power or force to move it. The maus and mauschen have better power to weight ratios than the t95

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9+ vs 6.8

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So yeah

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Science

twin egret Sep 10, 2019, 1:56 PM

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lol

thick rover Sep 10, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Ahem grille traverse ahem XDXD

indigo meadow Sep 10, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Theres armor weight and then theres engine power

thick rover Sep 10, 2019, 2:46 PM

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Ok...

quick lichen Sep 10, 2019, 2:47 PM

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@indigo meadow kind of like a “power to weight ratio”?

zenith sand Sep 10, 2019, 3:36 PM

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No nerf for grille
It is ok as it is

thick rover Sep 10, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Who wante a nerf

open hedge Sep 10, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Team balance is awful. How can you have 2 60% WR in one team up against a team of 5 40%’s and 2 50%ers. It happens a lot.

unique scaffold Sep 10, 2019, 3:53 PM

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Because it is random

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If you want a 60%er on your team become a 60%er.

quick lichen Sep 10, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Or platoon with one

noble siren Sep 10, 2019, 4:02 PM

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@open hedge still better than ending in a team where you are the only 50% and the other 40% against 3x60% and one near 59%

indigo knot Sep 10, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Nerf Waffle(its a tier 10 td) and buff Grille

fleet stump Sep 10, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Hmm the T95 need a sidearmor buff. >~<

mystic gorge Sep 10, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Grille needs a traverse buff

vocal matrix Sep 10, 2019, 4:59 PM

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ST-I's armor is so weak against tier 8's and 9's even if i have the best engine,i cant go up to 20 km/s and it is worse than kv4,i just realized i can ram M6A2E8 EXP with kv4 and it took damage,but when i try to ram it with ST-I we both took no damage!
also kv4 and ST-I is at the same top speed unless i use provisions.

slim rivet Sep 10, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Lol ^^

round sundial Sep 10, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Lmaooo, St1 is my fav T9 heavy, the armour is excellent!!

indigo knot Sep 10, 2019, 5:32 PM

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St1 is one of the best tier 9 Hts....

noble siren Sep 10, 2019, 5:55 PM

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@indigo knot WT is fine as it is...

torpid scaffold Sep 10, 2019, 6:12 PM

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T62 should be quicker

teal olive Sep 10, 2019, 6:22 PM

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It cant be the best at everything @torpid scaffold

boreal aspen Sep 10, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Any response on increasing the mini-map developers? 3X is too small still on my 2600x1600 screen.. on WOT regular, I can make the map huge if I wanted too, but the mini-map on this game should have an option to choose 4X and 5X. Are any Developers reading these comments? I am sure it is a simple fix/add and would make a lot of sense for those wanting a larger mini map.

ruby oriole Sep 10, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Hahaha @torpid scaffold ... wait you’re serious?

noble siren Sep 10, 2019, 7:26 PM

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@boreal aspen good idea

edgy bone Sep 10, 2019, 7:39 PM

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The charioteer need a dpm buff he was one of the powerful tds now its one of the baddest tds 😥

unique scaffold Sep 10, 2019, 7:39 PM

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charioteer is fine

distant river Sep 10, 2019, 8:17 PM

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Charioteer with consumables is still a decent tank. Its fragile but it can hit hard and it is fast. Without the consumables and especially the spall liner it is pretty useless.

unique scaffold Sep 10, 2019, 8:41 PM

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The Conway could use slight nerf in either pen, reload, or speed cause the mantlet on it is so trolly

safe copper Sep 10, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Yeah charioteer make great HE target practice now

stoic pebble Sep 10, 2019, 9:17 PM

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halloween is around a month away lol also this is balance discussion

summer mist Sep 10, 2019, 9:19 PM

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WG it's time for u to realise that the WZ-110 is one of the worst tank to play in tier VIII
SO BUFF IT

teal olive Sep 10, 2019, 10:19 PM

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@JamesRules#0820 naw

nimble zodiac Sep 10, 2019, 11:08 PM

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@unique scaffold don’t... shoot the mantlet? Also they nerfed Conway already 👀

unique scaffold Sep 10, 2019, 11:33 PM

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E

frail thorn Sep 10, 2019, 11:39 PM

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Buff the IS-2SH armour, the sides feel like they're being over-matched even when angling defensively and the turret is far too weak in any situation...

unique scaffold Sep 10, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Yeah, I think one of my processor cores went bad, so any game I play just crashes, and sometimes the keyboard crashes when I type, so my new phone arrives Friday that has 6GB of RAM according to the reviews, and 4 according to the description. So I haven't played wot since 3 weeks ago, and much less tier 9

thick rover Sep 11, 2019, 12:57 AM

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@frail thorn Definitely agree with you

IMO WT is balanced and needs no nerfing, Grille however could do with a buff..

turbid nacelle Sep 11, 2019, 3:35 AM

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T32 needs some buff, its unbalanced again higher tier, especially ht

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The gun is really sucks, cant pen anything, long aim time, big dispersion, and pretty long reload time

zenith sand Sep 11, 2019, 4:12 AM

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@stoic pebble That tank from Valkyrya series is coming for Halloween i think

thick rover Sep 11, 2019, 4:37 AM

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It's armour is pretty strong

unique scaffold Sep 11, 2019, 8:40 AM

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Why games unbalanced?:(

distant river Sep 11, 2019, 8:42 AM

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@unique scaffold Unless you have been put in a 7v6 or the reds have had more top tiers then the games are perfectly balenced.

boreal aspen Sep 11, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Developers, not sure where else to put this.... any chance we could get an additional tank control for full forward similar to WOT reg? Press one key once for full forward - like a toggle switch, press again to turn off or press S for example. After a while of always pushing W because it is the most pressed for longest time - a button that is unnecessary (using a keyboard mouse on PC) to always be pressing constantly.

ruby oriole Sep 11, 2019, 10:06 AM

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This is not balance, go away lmao

thick rover Sep 11, 2019, 10:09 AM

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He already said he doesn't know..
Maybe if we tell him which channel, #general-blitz-discussion

Maybe you wanna send a support ticket suggestion? @boreal aspen

boreal aspen Sep 11, 2019, 10:17 AM

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@ruby oriole OK, so where on Discord can this be put so Developers will actually look at it... @thick rover , thanks, but pretty sure that Developers are not constantly checking the general discussions, just moderators and general player base. It may not be directly related to balance, but out of the 4 choices for communication with Devs, this looked like the best place to put it. (I have already posted to the Blitz forum.) , @thick rover Yeah, I tried that in the past twice and both times they pointed me to forum and discord as the appropriate place to make suggestions... so that is what I am doing.

thick rover Sep 11, 2019, 10:30 AM

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Ok I see, yea they should have suggestion channel

M48 need any buff?

grizzled sleet Sep 11, 2019, 10:59 AM

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Not really it's a good tank, maybe a slight buff to keep up with stb being buffed so much

thick rover Sep 11, 2019, 11:01 AM

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Yea xd

grizzled sleet Sep 11, 2019, 11:10 AM

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Yeah we need this, it's called "The Brick" and we need it in our lives, vote for Brick in the 2020 election

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winter sluice Sep 11, 2019, 11:44 AM

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Buff IS-2Sh armor a bit

coarse harness Sep 11, 2019, 12:00 PM

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At least behind the tracks to 80 mm

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orchid grove Sep 11, 2019, 5:10 PM

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@summer mist I don’t know what WZ-110 you’re playing, but the WZ-110 is one of the best tier 8’s. Solid DPM, good mobility, and a great armor profile

summer mist Sep 11, 2019, 5:57 PM

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@orchid grove you are wrong, absolutly wrong
it's no match for a TIGER II or an IS3
it's a pain to play it, compare to the IS-2, WZ-111 1-4 and WZ-113

indigo knot Sep 11, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Wz-110 is a good tank ......yeah some can say its not better than Is3 but it also no worse than it but it surely is better than Tiger 2
Is2 is the worst in the line

latent snow Sep 11, 2019, 6:16 PM

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the wz 110 has a big squishy lower plate AND no gun depression, thats a real bad combo.

orchid grove Sep 11, 2019, 6:54 PM

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@summer mist The Tiger II is definitely worse than the 110. The 110 is faster, has more armor, and more DPM.

@latent snow So does the 252U. Those things are irrelevant if your tank has turret armor and a low profile.

latent snow Sep 11, 2019, 7:00 PM

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yeah execpt the turret has some juicy cupolas, the sides of the pike are squishy and the gun is ....

frigid pond Sep 11, 2019, 9:29 PM

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anyone here like jdm cars

nimble zodiac Sep 11, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Irrelevant @frigid pond , also IS-2Sh does need that side armor buff honestly, it’s can’t sidescrape much at all

unreal locust Sep 11, 2019, 9:46 PM

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imposible to playing to batle ranked only nab team abused

nimble zodiac Sep 11, 2019, 9:47 PM

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We don’t complain about people’s skill here, we talk about what changes should and have been made to tanks

fleet stump Sep 11, 2019, 9:50 PM

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The IS-2Sh turret need a buff..

round sundial Sep 11, 2019, 10:24 PM

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So now that Tiger 2 is getting a buff, is the VK45 going to get buffed anytime soon? It's the same tank but with worse armour and gun, although with the recent pen buff it's better, still not tiger 2 level

rare igloo Sep 12, 2019, 12:09 AM

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Why cant we get mad games? I don’t really like realistic because it’s not as fun

karmic steeple Sep 12, 2019, 12:34 AM

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I wished they used the time to put on realistic/ mad games to make a competent mm.....

paper dragon Sep 12, 2019, 12:34 AM

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The m4/fl10 auto autoreloading tank,in my opinion needs more penetration,has terrible pen against most t8's

nimble zodiac Sep 12, 2019, 12:38 AM

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It’s not supposed to have really good pen, as if the reload wasn’t exploitable enough

unique scaffold Sep 12, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Why can't players see the stats of a premium tank

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Don't you think they should see what they r getting before spending money on it

thick rover Sep 12, 2019, 1:05 AM

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In the charts? @unique scaffold

crystal spoke Sep 12, 2019, 1:06 AM

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The M4/Fl10 is fine as is even when fighting t8s (if done right ) especially if you use pramo and calibrated shells and you can check the stats

karmic steeple Sep 12, 2019, 1:07 AM

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It doesn’t need to have good pen against tier8s Bc it’s a tier 7 med it’s not supposed to have good pen
That’s called op

crystal spoke Sep 12, 2019, 1:43 AM

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^ and it has plenty to pen the sides of t8s

summer mist Sep 12, 2019, 3:09 AM

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@orchid grove, I can conclue that you and me, have a total different gameplay. I prefer Tiger II than WZ-110 as for you it's the opposite

flat bane Sep 12, 2019, 3:32 AM

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I'll take the wz 110 over a Tiger ll any day

deep briar Sep 12, 2019, 4:28 AM

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I wonder what tiger 2 going to be like after buff

coarse harness Sep 12, 2019, 4:30 AM

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Unfortunately I played the WZ after the nerf, but it was still quite good

ionic kraken Sep 12, 2019, 4:34 AM

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God do I hate it when most PC tier X tanks received buffs, INCLUDING ALREADY BROKEN RUSSIANS, but the E-100 still remains untouched for years... Hope Blitz doesn't do the same in the future
#SaveTheE-100

thin fable Sep 12, 2019, 4:59 AM

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E100 is fine

thick rover Sep 12, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Oofus doofus

rigid wigeon Sep 12, 2019, 5:49 AM

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@ionic kraken the e100 is fine.... it's not the current meta but it's not super under powered or anything

latent snow Sep 12, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Su 85b can pen vk 100p frontally lol

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sleek pebble Sep 12, 2019, 6:01 AM

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100p belly is pennable by almost every tank

fading salmon Sep 12, 2019, 8:59 AM

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lol wtf, just like vk168 ~~vk168, including the tracks~~

fleet stump Sep 12, 2019, 10:26 AM

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VK 168 is the next Event Tank! 100% xD

iron lynx Sep 12, 2019, 10:38 AM

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Wow
And a VK 100 said I'm 'lucky' when my T-34-2 penned his belly.
Not to say the VK 100 is bad, tho.

drowsy plinth Sep 12, 2019, 11:06 AM

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ok stupid question what best gun on M4A3E8 to me both guns look same stats ,except top gun has higher DPM

iron lynx Sep 12, 2019, 11:07 AM

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I recommend the top gun

drowsy plinth Sep 12, 2019, 11:18 AM

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yea been using top gun...ony bought the tank cause have legendry camo for it lol

unique scaffold Sep 12, 2019, 12:16 PM

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i'd rather take a tiger 2 over wz 110, having that little less dpm doesn't hurt at all when your gun hits and pens more shots. Considering that it is getting buffed and the turret will now be much harder to hi, the Tiger 2 will definitely be a much better choice.

noble siren Sep 12, 2019, 12:41 PM

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I'm happy with the buff on Tiger 2 it will be a heavy tank again

ruby oriole Sep 12, 2019, 12:52 PM

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Wouldn’t it be way cooler if they shifted it down a tier, keep the armour, give it the 8.8 instead of the 105 and lower the dpm? Idk, it seems that thats what the tiger II should have been. The kuro also is what the tiger should be

unique scaffold Sep 12, 2019, 1:56 PM

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King Tiger (C)

rapid citrus Sep 12, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Do you think the BC 25 T needs a buff? Its supposed to be able to obliterate something quickly but be extremely vulnerable when its reloading isnt it. Currently its unable to fully clip anything

distant river Sep 12, 2019, 4:38 PM

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So double its alpha and it will be perfectly balenced 🤦
Tanks should not be able to 1 clip people, especially not with only 3 shots. This is one of the reasons why the foch is too good. The bc can out trade most other tanks and then run, so if used correctly it is a great tank. If you keep trying to trade alpha or brawl with people you need more than 1 clip to kill then you are playing it wrong. @rapid citrus

quick lichen Sep 12, 2019, 4:40 PM

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It’s a 105 so it should be 350 alpha

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But then it’s 1050 instead of 930

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It has 930 to “balance out” the 183 that also has 930 alpha

noble siren Sep 12, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Is this about the tier 10 BC? This tank is so cool, so you don't like to make 900 damage huh? The tank is great

quick lichen Sep 12, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Devs explained that to me way back in 2018

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Yes

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Remember the bat has roughly a 20 second reload for all three shots

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As does the 183

winter sluice Sep 12, 2019, 4:43 PM

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i said this before and i'll say it again

IS-2Sh need a armor buff

Gravedigger need ONE of these two
gun depression
OR
Gun penetration
it's completely useless at tier 8
no one play the tank anymore i haven't seen it in months in the battles even i dont play it anymore and i have it
i haven't played it that much since Mad Games event when it came out to Blitz

rapid citrus Sep 12, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Give it more shells then @distant river
On PC its able to so i dont see why it shouldnt be similar. The whole point of ALs is to inflict massive amounts of dmg
Currently it takes 6 seconds to clip out. It takes an obj 140 5 secs (correct me if im wrong) to reload which means in the time of 6 secs an obj 140 can do 620 dmg and a BC can only do 930. Thats only an extra shot more. Which isnt really much more considering its gun is out for the next 14 seconds. And i don trade alpha or brawl with anyone its just a consideration

orchid grove Sep 12, 2019, 4:46 PM

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#GiveBC4Shells350AlphaNow

unique scaffold Sep 12, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Eh no?

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Yes please

noble siren Sep 12, 2019, 4:54 PM

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B R U H you want buff on BC?😂 🤦🏻

orchid grove Sep 12, 2019, 4:56 PM

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@noble siren Not a buff, I just want a redefining of the Bat Chat’s role. In return for a larger magazine, I’d want lower DPM, and removal of the light tank designation, and possibly lower accuracy to make the tank a higher risk, higher reward sort of tank.

teal olive Sep 12, 2019, 5:00 PM

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That would be great.... but then why use something like an AMX 50B after that. I believe we’ve actually discussed this before in PMs @orchid grove and I would love the chance as much as you, but we both know that high tier autoloaders as a whole would need changing if batchat were to get a buff as big as that

distant river Sep 12, 2019, 5:00 PM

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@rapid citrus PC≠blitz and we dont want it to be the same. The 140 is knows for its amazing dpm and the bc can still do 1.5x as much damage in roughly the same time. The bc also has speed to run while reloading. It is not a popular tank atm but that is just because of all the heavies out there. On #devs-answers it is slightly above average. If you get WG to change it then it is very likely WG will mess it up and it will either be useless or op for the 3 updates it takes for WG to wake up and realise that.

lost sinew Sep 12, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Who will care about Bat Chat once Progetto is here 😅

indigo knot Sep 12, 2019, 6:03 PM

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No Bat chat will still be played due to is mobility and it is a light tank....

formal vale Sep 12, 2019, 6:32 PM

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The Batchat will still have better camo. Im pretty sure it will still have better mobility as well (acceleration and traverse, not top speed). The Progetto will probably be kind of like a bridge between the Batchat and Leopard, however.

noble siren Sep 12, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Bruh nerf something on Obj268

formal vale Sep 12, 2019, 6:44 PM

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lmao why? @noble siren

teal olive Sep 12, 2019, 7:01 PM

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It’s a fantastic TD, not a single downside to it, not even gun depression. Best in tier ten imo (Besides Foch lol). (Edit for message below): are ya kidding? The armor is great (Especially for its speed), just dont get caught out in open, no turret? Sooo like almost every other TD? The gun is not troll at all, only trolls enemies with laser accuracy, pen, and ridiculous high rolls, DPM is on par with tier ten meds... okay... and? Having the DPM of those tank is good. @formal vale

formal vale Sep 12, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Armor is kinda meh. Troll, but can be worked around.

No turret. Speaks for itself.

Gun can be pretty troll.

DPM is on par with tier 10 meds

Not OP, doesnt need a nerf

distant river Sep 12, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Its a very good tank (completely outclassed by foch but thats obvious). I would say it could do with a small dpm nerf and maybe a camo nerf to discourage the people who camp in it, but nothing too major as it is one of the agressive TDs.

noble siren Sep 12, 2019, 7:12 PM

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@distant river yeah something like this thanks

formal vale Sep 12, 2019, 7:15 PM

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In case you guys already forgot, WG did in fact nerf the tank's DPM a while ago. Not to mention the tank has a 12.5 sec reload with a rammer, which is slower than ther tier 9 Obj 704 at 11.8 seconds. I dont see how a dpm nerf would help anything. Plus the camo is supposed to be pretty good since it's a low-slung tank. Smaller silhouettes mean better camo for the most part.

distant river Sep 12, 2019, 7:24 PM

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WG dont really care too much about the realism of the height compared to the camo and anything would be good to stop people camping in it. The dpm is still pretty good for a 152 and compared to the 704 it has much better speed and armour.

loud heron Sep 12, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Lower the armor on 252

distant river Sep 12, 2019, 7:34 PM

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@sacred rain read the pinned mesaages and find somewhere else to complain about MM being random

jade cargoBOT Sep 12, 2019, 8:14 PM

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dynoSuccess Alex_14_assassin [7CD-] 🇮🇹#0569 has been warned.

jade field Sep 12, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Please limit the use of bots.

fleet stump Sep 12, 2019, 8:40 PM

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T95 Defender! ❤

formal vale Sep 12, 2019, 8:42 PM

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The 268 just doesnt need a buff or a nerf imo. I dont see people camping in it very often. And those who do camp get easily spotted and wrecked anyways. Reducing the camo would only be counterproductive.

If the tank is balanced, which it is, I dont see a reason to change it

safe copper Sep 12, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Me in 268: Gets 5k dmg camping and is never spotted

formal vale Sep 12, 2019, 8:57 PM

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"very often"

You can camp in any tank, get luck, and do 5k dmg

unique scaffold Sep 12, 2019, 9:06 PM

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We need a big nerfage on the tier 8 premium Chinese TD, A.K.A. the FakeTank

formal vale Sep 12, 2019, 9:16 PM

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This I can agree with lol

All the armor you could ever need, quick as hell, stupidly good camo, stupidly good pen, stupidly good dpm...

It's stupid :p

wet quail Sep 12, 2019, 9:58 PM

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I just don’t think it’ll come out again, like the keni

unique scaffold Sep 12, 2019, 10:19 PM

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We also need a big buff to the KV-3, mediocre armor, slow reload, incredibly innacurate, long aiming time, mediocre armor at best

nimble zodiac Sep 12, 2019, 10:35 PM

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I like KV-3 😐

formal vale Sep 12, 2019, 11:22 PM

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The KV3 could probably use an armor buff. The gun is supposed to be inaccurate, it is russian afterall.

sudden token Sep 12, 2019, 11:27 PM

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@left grail

hello i am youtuber can you give me the youtuber tag please do i installed the game today to do a little series on my channel

unique scaffold Sep 12, 2019, 11:28 PM

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@sudden token that isn't how it works. How many subs do you have?

sudden token Sep 12, 2019, 11:37 PM

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I have 101 subscribers ...
i'm sorry but i'm new to this game i don't know how it works yet very well as i mentioned above i installed the game today.
may shorten the writing time please do not need to be long just put 2 minutes
if I can leave my channel link here for all players to subscribe I would like to thank you in advance

nimble zodiac Sep 12, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Prolly do it in #media then ask, but I’m not sure you’re qualified yet welp you’ll need to accumulate more subscribers I think

sudden token Sep 12, 2019, 11:47 PM

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OK thank you for the attention
I don't have access to write on this media channel

unique scaffold Sep 12, 2019, 11:59 PM

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@sudden token you need 2k subscribers to be considered for the YouTuber role and to get access to the media channel.

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This isn't the place to solicit subscribers

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No. This isn't a server for soliciting viewers. #replays is the only place you may post videos. They must be blitz related.

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@sudden token stop

thick rover Sep 13, 2019, 12:19 AM

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I think the 268 is balanced, it's good but no OP
But now it's like better than jag I can't remember the pen values

unique scaffold Sep 13, 2019, 2:37 AM

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The super pershing needs that extra plate from pc to be competitive against other t8s, even the superpershing's crappy gun can pen it.

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Na need more upper turret armor

karmic steeple Sep 13, 2019, 3:04 AM

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Super Pershing is fine
Don’t buff a balanced tank

old coral Sep 13, 2019, 3:32 AM

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@tulip imp giving the FV183 an auto loader would break the game because then wg would have to make the intra-clip reload longer and reload time a lot longer which with its insane damage would not work

teal olive Sep 13, 2019, 3:40 AM

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sarcasm intensifies

flat bane Sep 13, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Can we just remove all tanks from the game? That will balance everything

compact nymph Sep 13, 2019, 3:42 AM

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@tulip imp And 3X 930 dmg every 20 seconds is pretty balanced... this would mean over 7500 dpm...

unique scaffold Sep 13, 2019, 4:02 AM

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@karmic steeple It is not a balanced tank if it is slow, has a bad gun, bad armor and is overpriced, the armor should not be able to be penned by mediums.

rapid citrus Sep 13, 2019, 4:32 AM

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@orchid grove the BC IRL was a LT so idt the class should change

crystal spoke Sep 13, 2019, 4:36 AM

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It's a med not a heavy tank plus afaik meds and lights cant pen its armour its forehead yeah but that shouldn't be an issue if your using the super persh correctly that is using its 10° gun depression

twin egret Sep 13, 2019, 4:37 AM

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tfw that the Progetto was nerfed from 65km to top speed of 53km

unique scaffold Sep 13, 2019, 4:41 AM

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The fact when the standard B now has more of a reason for me to get it

twin egret Sep 13, 2019, 5:00 AM

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Standard B has HESH type of pen on HE, whilst Progetto 65 doesn't... does that make the Standard 🅱 🅱etter?

thick rover Sep 13, 2019, 5:10 AM

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The standard round also has better pen :(

full token Sep 13, 2019, 6:55 AM

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Does the Standard B still have the 190 alpha on heat from the open test? Or was that fixed?

loud kernel Sep 13, 2019, 9:10 AM

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wotb autoreloaders: seperate/successive reload between intra shell and new shell. wot autoreloaders: reload at the same time/ simutaneous reload. Difference, wotb autoreloading tanks are better to be single-shot tanks when magazine is empty, while wot autoreloading tanks are better to be single-shot tanks when magazine is full. This is not a good design because it means that wotb autoreloaders are like the IS3A in wot pc: the ability to do a lot of damage in short time like an autoloader, then play like a single-shot with no drawbacks.

full token Sep 13, 2019, 9:14 AM

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These autoreloaders have low dpm when doing the single shot though

iron lynx Sep 13, 2019, 9:23 AM

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No, the WoTB autoreloaders are like regular autoreloaders in PC, each shell takes longer to reload as you empty the magazine.
Those are the times to reload a shell (in seconds), from a full clip to empty.

Shell 1: 5.27 + 3 (shell transfer) = 8.27
Shell 2: 6.71 + 3 (shell transfer) = 9.71
Shell 3: 8.15 + 0 (shell transfer) = 8.15

The problem is that the last shell does not have a shell transfer time, so it may seem like the last shell loads the fastest. @loud kernel

fierce salmon Sep 13, 2019, 10:03 AM

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!bot

ionic kraken Sep 13, 2019, 10:16 AM

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@rigid wigeon PC E-100 is very underpowered compared to a lot of others. I just don't want the same in blitz

brazen monolith Sep 13, 2019, 12:07 PM

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E100 is underpowered in blitz too, kinda

loud kernel Sep 13, 2019, 12:12 PM

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Just that only a few knows how to play e100 well

round sundial Sep 13, 2019, 1:49 PM

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VK72 is the worst T10 heavy, and Maus has a completely different role🤦

orchid grove Sep 13, 2019, 2:04 PM

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E-100 is definitely better than the VK

thick rover Sep 13, 2019, 2:13 PM

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To me VK is better

unique scaffold Sep 13, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Well both vk and maus is rear tarret tanks but e100 is front tarret tanks. So there is some differences between the play style of them
So stop complaining. Check your play style first.

quick lichen Sep 13, 2019, 2:40 PM

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E100 is mid mounted...

unique scaffold Sep 13, 2019, 2:40 PM

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@crystal spoke You can't always get into the high up position required for that advantage.

formal vale Sep 13, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Let's put it this way, the E100 is mediocre. Not good, but not terrible. You can hold a choke point sometimes but you need to be cautious of your flat turret.

The Maus is really good for the most part. It has that stopping power and hit point pool that can just allow it to farm, soak up hits, and just be a general nuisance to the enemy team.

The VK isn't terrible either. The armor can be troll and it's the smallest of the three tanks, which means it can hide behind cover more reliably. The dpm sucks though, which I would say is what they need to buff on the tank. Maybe also buff that weak spot under the turret.

thick rover Sep 13, 2019, 3:02 PM

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ok this I can agree with

teal olive Sep 13, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Bs that progetto got speed nerfed, I’m just gonna stay at the tier nine anyway. Better speed, cheap HESH rounds, more gun depression.

unique scaffold Sep 13, 2019, 3:23 PM

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And that amazing leopard design @teal olive

rapid citrus Sep 13, 2019, 4:29 PM

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@formal vale i agree that the vk 72 needs a buff. just an armour buff tho. Its supposed to be able to sidescrape like the maus, not as reliably, and hit enemies for 640 like the e100. Its just that the armour profile is just so crap due to the area under the turret. Furthermore it doubles as an ammo rack so it can be easily ammo racked as literally everone shoots there.

runic sorrel Sep 13, 2019, 4:47 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20190914-014439_Armor_Inspector.jpg

bright wraith Sep 13, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Platoon T7 +65% wr SERVER EU

runic sorrel Sep 13, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Why not 200mm?
Why is it different from the ingame description?

noble siren Sep 13, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Isn't it supposed to have 200mm @runic sorrel and buff the armor behind the tracks of the Maus with 40mm

runic sorrel Sep 13, 2019, 5:11 PM

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@noble siren yes ingame shows the front armor 200 mm.

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wargaming can you see that? plz fix the maus

📎 Screenshot_20190914-022253_World_of_Tanks.jpg

dim field Sep 13, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Gonna need to be a bit more specific

crystal spoke Sep 13, 2019, 5:34 PM

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@unique scaffold so like any other hill liner. And you can always do something to fix the problem such as using buildings to cover half of it and wiggle or peak a boom which the sp is pretty decent at

runic sorrel Sep 13, 2019, 5:35 PM

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holy sides armor too cmon...

distant river Sep 13, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Does it matter in any way? Does any vehicle have accurate armour thickness compared shown in the in game stats? Does it have any place in balence discussion? @runic sorrel

noble siren Sep 13, 2019, 5:47 PM

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@distant river nothing stops them to change the armor and not show it in the game am I right? Like the nerf on the chieftain's (Tier 10) turret armor if I remember it got nerfed and they didn't make announcement about it am I right?

round sundial Sep 13, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Blitzhangar does have 200mm front. I think your app has the wrong numbers, Maus does have 200mm front ingame

noble siren Sep 13, 2019, 6:04 PM

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@round sundial better be some kind of a bug

runic sorrel Sep 13, 2019, 6:05 PM

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@round sundial i think too armor inspecter bug

ionic kraken Sep 13, 2019, 6:14 PM

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@tulip imp You're ignoring the fact that the VK72 can get easily penned in a certain dumb spot when it angles?

thin tendon Sep 13, 2019, 6:53 PM

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please balance broken tanks like Smasher, WZ 120-FT

stable flint Sep 13, 2019, 7:38 PM

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That'll never happen..

karmic steeple Sep 13, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Well need to try at least

formal vale Sep 13, 2019, 8:04 PM

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I'm honestly 100% ok with WG nerfing premiums in the name of balancing. If it make the game more fun to play, it's worth whatever money you spent on the tank.

karmic steeple Sep 13, 2019, 8:20 PM

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^^^^
You’re paying for a unique tank

formal vale Sep 13, 2019, 8:32 PM

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If you bought a tank specifically because its OP, to me, thats on the same level as seal clubbing or selling a tank as soon as it gets nerfed because "its not good anymore".

Example: I spent like $5 to gold the crew on the Charrioteer when it came out. Not a lot, but I wanted to fully experience it being OP. When they nerfed it, did I go ahead and sell it? Hell no, I wanted to see how it would pan out after the nerf. And guess what, I still love the tank. Just because you put time, effort, or money into getting something and it gets nerfed, doesnt mean the tank is now something you wont like anymore.

nimble zodiac Sep 13, 2019, 8:40 PM

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Just realize that before you buy an ‘OP’ tank that it’s probably gonna get nerfed soon

random bear Sep 13, 2019, 8:41 PM

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Not if its a premium

distant river Sep 13, 2019, 8:42 PM

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@random bear WG can change what they like, generally they choose to leave prems alone which is why tier 7 and 8 is how it is.

drifting depot Sep 13, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Welp I have the same experience as with this guy with the charioteer but with the kv2, since I never really used he that much it actually didn't bother me but since by the first time I was a complete n o o b I sold the tank once I got the kv3 but now, oh boi 90% of my won games are around 3k damage purely with ap and he splash damage

deft owl Sep 13, 2019, 9:43 PM

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@runic sorrel Its a armor inspector glitch that actually shows side armor.

karmic steeple Sep 13, 2019, 10:29 PM

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No it’s not you paid for a new tank and after a nerf, you still have said new tank. It’s called balancing. Are you also against buffing underpowered premiums Bc it’s “false advertising”?

heavy lintel Sep 13, 2019, 10:30 PM

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No you don't have the tank, you have a regular tank that is the same as the stock ones. And also, they don't sell underpowered premiums, and if they did, you don't buy them

True that it would definitely be better for everyone in the game if op/premium tanks didn't exist, but how would wg make money with regular tanks

karmic steeple Sep 13, 2019, 10:39 PM

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I see so your argument is that so wg can make money they should continue releasing premiums that are better than anything a free to play player can get just so they make more money. Have you ever heard of fortnite, just literally only releases cosmetics and makes tons of money? Not saying wg can do that, but they will make plenty selling premiums tanks that are as good or slightly worse than tech tree tanks

crystal spoke Sep 13, 2019, 10:43 PM

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~~Really dyno?~~ anyway as i tried saying as someone who has spent way too much (and will continue spending ) premis should be just as good or even worse then tech tree tanks. and to still make money all they have to do is make said tank unique gamplaywise or just make it cosmetically interesting such as they did with the loza and the tiger131. so they should just stop selling premis? thats not a very good idea

heavy lintel Sep 13, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Well their is something called enrichment that can be done to increase the credit making ability of a tech tree tank without it being op, and they can sell said "uniqe game play tanks" too.Besides, you need to buy these enrichments and "uniqe tanks" with gold so theirs your money ←_←

The problem is they didn't do that and now this mess exist...

Though idk how u nerf tanks without controversy, I guess thats not up to me to make that call.

crystal spoke Sep 13, 2019, 10:56 PM

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people rarely enrich tanks so that's not going to help much because why would you enrich a tank if you really enjoy a tank why not just play another game to make up the difference. and yes its a bit controversial but that's something they have to deal with

karmic steeple Sep 13, 2019, 11:00 PM

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The vocal people who are involved with the discord and the game all say they want premiums nerfed like the smasher and wz120. Wg would get a lot of support from the active community for nerfing tanks like that and getting tier 7/8 under control
Also there’s a problem when the meta for t8 tourneys is mostly premium tanks

heavy lintel Sep 13, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Then why haven't they nerfed them, lose a couple of people, who cares? Would paint them in a better light for removing op tanks right? Nerfing them would also make torneys more fair which is pretty nice. Would also make game more skill based which is awesome and I support that. What I think is the best result is no more nubs in tier x with op prems

Aye wargaming, what's the holdup

karmic steeple Sep 13, 2019, 11:10 PM

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Bc they care too much about the money. And people instead of sticking it to wg would rather just buy the op tanks so they can ruin gameplay more nothing against everyone, but you can’t say you want change then buy into their system

stoic light Sep 13, 2019, 11:22 PM

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Honestly if people spent the same amount of time studying how to go against op tanks as they do complaining, they would never have any problems lmao

heavy lintel Sep 13, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Lol, true, if you know how to use a tank well, premiums don't really affect you.

Not disregarding that some are really good, just saying skill can over power a really good prem tank

Unless the tank is keni otsu lvls of op, if so, the best tactic is to run and pray to wg that they never sell the tank again

stoic light Sep 13, 2019, 11:35 PM

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That’s the only tank I can stand people complaining about, all the other tanks can be beat with skill. If you are good then find a way to beat the “op” tank.

crystal spoke Sep 13, 2019, 11:46 PM

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yes i supported there balanced tanks sucha as the loza tiger 131 and rev so if anything i should definitely be able to disagree. also who said i dont play tech tree? most of my tanks are techs i also buy cosmetics so i dont understand your point i cant stop doing something that i never did to start with

heavy lintel Sep 13, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Well guess we can't do anything, I'll just see how this rides out

karmic steeple Sep 13, 2019, 11:50 PM

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I do not own any op premiums. And I welcome nerfs to them if they ever are deemed too op. I also know very well how to play against every tank but not much to do against a smasher that reloads so quickly for its damage
*type62 could be considered op but I think it’s not due to so many other good tier 7 meds

vestal dove Sep 13, 2019, 11:54 PM

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@heavy lintel I disagree on the getting rid of "premiums" I feel some are pretty rediculessly op but most premium tanks aren't as op as people are said to believe, each tank has a weakness, no armour, bad speed, etc. In short each tank can be killed easily if your decent at the game, now some underpowered tech tree tanks, yes some I think need buffed, but tbh leave the prems alone

formal vale Sep 13, 2019, 11:55 PM

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@heavy lintel fyi I've spent nearly $1,000 on this game (cumulative over 6 years) and I 100% support WG nerfing prems

Edit: You said $5 isn't a lot, so I gave you an estimate of what I've spent

heavy lintel Sep 14, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Why would you spend almost $1000 on a ftp game

formal vale Sep 14, 2019, 12:18 AM

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Because I wanted to progress...

Back in the day, believe it or not, it wasn't exactly easy to go from tier 8 to tier 9 without spending money or grinding pretty hard. I'd rather keep my sanity.

Also, it was cumulative. I didn't just drop $1000 on the table and say "give me x, y, and z". Deals came out and I just wanted those tanks.

heavy lintel Sep 14, 2019, 12:22 AM

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I wish I had that money ;(

formal vale Sep 14, 2019, 12:31 AM

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Lol, no you don't. I can honestly say that of the plethora of premiums I have, I only play like 5 regularly:

T34 Independence (got it for free in a crate)
Chieftain Mk 6
M 41 90
Lowe
Chieftain/T95

Russian heavy tanks are pretty much a waste of money imo (except for the IS-5 that costs 1500 gold). The Super Pershing is unenjoyable for me (bad gun and sluggish traverse). Russian meds can be good, but they've been power creeped. Tier 7 is trash. Tier 9 doesnt make many credits. Tier 6 is too easy to play.

If you're gonna buy any sort of premium, I recommend either the Lowe or the T34 to start with. Then figure out what else you may like through the tech tree.

Overall, I spent too much on this game. I could have easily taken like $500 of that total and put it towards upgrading my PC. But, because I was Freshman in HS with poor money-sense, I wasted it on useless things in this game.

Edit: If you're going to spend money, spend it wisely. Do your research and know what it is you're looking for.

craggy dust Sep 14, 2019, 1:28 AM

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Nerf foch 155 its op,you'll "nerfed" a couple of updates back now its even better,minus 2100 in 7.5 seconds is too good

flat bane Sep 14, 2019, 2:49 AM

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Yes

jade cargoBOT Sep 14, 2019, 8:19 AM

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dynoSuccess Denzol ™#9999 has been warned.

fiery turtle Sep 14, 2019, 9:29 AM

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The FV 215b (183) should be buffed to become much closer to what it is in WoT PC.
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:GB48_FV215b_183

AP ammunition type removed
DPM: 3150 / 3150 (nerf)
Penetration: 220 / 92 (no change)
Alpha: 1750 / 1750 (huge buff)
Rate of fire: 1.8 (huge nerf)
Reload: 33.3 secs (huge nerf)
Aim Time: 3.4 secs (big nerf)
Dispersion: 0.4 (small buff)
Hull traverse: 24 (small nerf)
Camo (stationary / moving): 10% / 6% (buff)
Camo (after firing): 2% (buff)
Weight: 64 tons (small nerf)
Hull Armour: 152 / 51 / 76 (buff to the upper plate, nerf to the lower plate which can be HE'd)
Turret Armour: 254 / 177 / 31 (huge buff to the front half, huge nerf to the rear half which can be HE'd)

(Note: This is without any equipment or provisions, which would with rammer and food bring the rate of fire up to 2 shots per minute.)

Tank:GB48 FV215b 183

noble siren Sep 14, 2019, 9:43 AM

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WOT PC is not WOTB why you can't learn this it's very simple

iron lynx Sep 14, 2019, 9:47 AM

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People have already been complaining about the massive alpha, and you want to increase it further?

distant river Sep 14, 2019, 10:08 AM

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So 130 HESH alpha is completely unbalancable and you want to give it 1750 HESH alpha? Nice joke... @fiery turtle

Best thing to do to keep the 183 in the game is to remove HESH and leave it like the emil. Then it could probably get a front armour buff and a tiny little camo buff.

cunning kindle Sep 14, 2019, 10:09 AM

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Thats godly balancing there, lets just make the maus unpennable other than its back and just give it bad gun handling and dpm

coarse harness Sep 14, 2019, 10:23 AM

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Or just lower the gold HESH alpha just like on the Conway
Btw the regular HE on the Conway should have 900 dmg (following the ,,mainly +50% HE dmg compared to the AP on high caliber guns" logic) and maybe 750 on the gold because there is no reason atm to use the big gun (at least before the nerf wasn't)

crystal basin Sep 14, 2019, 10:49 AM

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@cunning kindle sure, remove hesh, and after that, nerf base reload To 12s, and lets ALL enjoy it. Only reason To play it is hesh. Hi risk but hi reward. @cunning kindle sry pinned wrong guy, supposed To be @distant river

cunning kindle Sep 14, 2019, 10:50 AM

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Wait wut, r u talking abt maus or 183 coz maus doesnt have hesh, but base reload going to 12secs wont be a nerf for 183

Anyways i was joking if u dint get it smh

distant river Sep 14, 2019, 10:54 AM

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@crystal basin The main thing that ruins tier 10 is HESH. You clearly have no idea about balence at all 🤦

noble siren Sep 14, 2019, 11:00 AM

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@crystal basin the HESH in this game is maybe the most OP thing in this game, is it balanced to nearly oneshot E50 from the front?

crystal basin Sep 14, 2019, 11:07 AM

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We all have ended our round 2 soon, when got hit by hesh that penned. But seriously, when There is 1 tank, that may dish out 1.3k in 20s. Atleast I can admit, 95% times when that has happened to me, It has been for my own stupid move against 183. Little angling and it doesnt pen. (excluding Leo and bc).
@noble siren and most op thing is smasher.

karmic steeple Sep 14, 2019, 11:59 AM

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That’s just not true I’ve been hit in the front for 1300+ damage in tanks that do have some armor the 183 shouldn’t be in the game it’s an unbalancable tank

quick lichen Sep 14, 2019, 12:00 PM

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@fiery turtle why don’t you just go play pc and the rest of us will stay here

crystal basin Sep 14, 2019, 12:15 PM

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@karmic steeple so what is tank with some armor? Never got 1.3k frontal hit in any my t10 heavys. (ok T57, but that is hevium) or is this again some, I play t9 and got wrecked by 183...

shadow tide Sep 14, 2019, 12:16 PM

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hi

ruby monolith Sep 14, 2019, 12:20 PM

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Hi

karmic steeple Sep 14, 2019, 12:21 PM

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Is7, 268 with its trolly armor and it probably shouldn’t be able to do that a high damage shot should only be able to happen hitting the sides or back, but even then I think 183 is bad for the game

crystal basin Sep 14, 2019, 12:31 PM

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Well, if Is7 gets hesh penned frontally, reason is in driver of Is7, maybe goes trough if u angle that pike To flat. So goes in that 95% marginal that it could been avoided. Not sure will it go trough from low plate if using calibrated rounds.
And one thing what Ive been wondering about balance. In % its lower damage vs hp pool of Same tier compared To kv2 , smasher,(i)su-152, 704, etc etc... How those are not in balance... Ok smasher isnt. Just curious...

indigo knot Sep 14, 2019, 12:39 PM

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Even in Wot Pc they nerfed Fv4005 and type 5 heavy there must be a reason why players all around the globe both in Wot blitz and wot pc hate those 183mm and He firing tank
The guys playing those 183mm tanks can enjoy being red line bush wankers and hit them for 1300 or even splash someone for 500-600HE but its ruins others day in there meds or Hts. So why not try playing tanks where a little IQ is required instead of asking for buffs for 183

nocturne mauve Sep 14, 2019, 12:52 PM

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Ok

karmic steeple Sep 14, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Bc no one wants that bs at tier 10 that’s the tier that’s supposed to have a more competitive feel and derp guns require no skill for you to one a med/light. They’re annoying. Also kv2 and pretty much all other derp guns (other than smasher) have trouble doing anything to the front of other tanks

crystal basin Sep 14, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Like I say, its usually blame the one Who gots shot, not the one Who shoots. Every tier seems To need a cannon that ruins careless gamers Day. Maybe the hate is only for 183 cos its only 1 in tier 10 To do so(No one gets never shot by he of any 150mm+cannons in t10) sometimes its quite teaching To think did I do something wrong or was I overgreedy after got punished by 183.

unique scaffold Sep 14, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Maybe players think that having one shot cannons that lead to stagnant gameplay is bad for a game called Blitz?

fiery turtle Sep 14, 2019, 2:00 PM

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My suggestion doesn't make the 183 any more OP than the KV-2. Yes, it could one-shot a Bat-Chat or a Leopard with HESH, but the reload is 10 seconds SLOWER than the KV-2's! A 33-second reload would feel like an eternity in Blitz, which is faster-paced than WoT PC. The 183 would be even more vulnerable to being rushed while reloading than the KV-2 is now.

distant river Sep 14, 2019, 2:06 PM

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Your suggestion takes everything that people hate about the 183 and amplifies it. For example the kpfpz70 can get 1 shotted frontally with ease. This is a heavy that should be able to take hits well that can now get obliterated by 1 unspotted spawn camper. The KV2 and the 183 deserve to be wiped from existence. Your idea is completely and utterly stupid and shoul never be considered

iron lynx Sep 14, 2019, 2:09 PM

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You wanna buff the alpha of a tank that encourages no-skill gameplay.
It doesn't matter how long the FV215b 183 reloads, such a massive alpha is completely broken and is impossible to be balanced.

unique scaffold Sep 14, 2019, 2:10 PM

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My suggestion is to remove tanks that are capable of one shotting other tanks. They don't belong in a game called blitz.

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Tanks like the KV-2 and the 183 create a stagnant game where players are afraid to advance in fear of getting the majority of their health taken away in one hit.

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Ideally the Badger would have replaced the 183 and the KV-2 would have been nerfed and made a collectible in 5.5. Unfortunately that ship has sailed.

fiery turtle Sep 14, 2019, 2:34 PM

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Or, how about this as a modification to my suggestion?

Make the 183 more historically accurate by removing its AP round, which never existed.

Leaving the 183 with HE standard ammo and HESH prammo, and nothing else. No more 310mm AP pens through the front of Tier 10 heavies, it would have to be satisfied with splash damage on them instead.

lunar niche Sep 14, 2019, 2:39 PM

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@fiery turtle Thats just derp Type 5 with no armour. You don't even need to aim, just shoot and splash for 400-600.

distant river Sep 14, 2019, 2:39 PM

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You really have no clue what the issue is here do you? @fiery turtle

fiery turtle Sep 14, 2019, 2:47 PM

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@distant river : I have no clue what your issue is, no.

distant river Sep 14, 2019, 2:49 PM

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My issue is the same as 98% of the people who play tier 10: 1300 alpha

iron lynx Sep 14, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Ah yes a very nice suggestion, now we have a splash machine that takes absolutely no skill to play whatsoever.
Just point the gun in the general direction of the enemy and somehow deal 400-600 splash damage to superheavies, and insta-nuke to mediums and lights.
The complete lack of skill required to play the splash machine you suggested is astounding.

crystal basin Sep 14, 2019, 2:56 PM

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So u say that tier 9 hevium couldnt get hesh trough from tier 10 td... (facepalm)
@unique scaffold yeah, It would have been a dream if 183 was collector and replaced for badger and 183 183 would be only in barn...
And removing ALL cabable of 1 shot, so end of all 150mm+ in tier 6-8 and 100y in tier 6.doubt that happens.
And yet, 95% cases when getting hit, It could been avoided just by thinking twice what u do

fiery turtle Sep 14, 2019, 3:02 PM

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@iron lynx : Not quite. You won't need skill to derp. But with a 33 second reload, you might need skill to survive afterwards...

distant river Sep 14, 2019, 3:04 PM

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In 95% of cases you get hit is is because you made a vague attempt at being aggressive @crystal basin

@fiery turtle amd with your stupid idea of 1700 alpha or even 1300 alpha you dont need to survive, your job is done for the battle

iron lynx Sep 14, 2019, 3:10 PM

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Ah, I see that you still do not understand the prime reason why the 183mm is hated.
The 183mm gun does not need skill. You just aim at something and watch its HP evaporate.
T110E5 doing perfect hulldown? Bam for 500 damage. Maus sidescraping perfectly? Bam for 500 damage.
And don't even mention the tanks that don't have armor.
So the only way to avoid the gun is to hide and not peek out, which is what we folks call "encouraging stagnant gameplay".
This is World of Tanks Blitz, not World of Camping Vehicles.

nimble zodiac Sep 14, 2019, 3:11 PM

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I mean then again such a long reload just to splash 400-600, HESH otherwise. AP if it gets removed would really oof FV 183

karmic steeple Sep 14, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Just oof it more plz

fiery turtle Sep 14, 2019, 3:15 PM

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@iron lynx : Remind me - how many HP does a Maus have?

thick rover Sep 14, 2019, 3:15 PM

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2500

Tbh for me just buff 183 gun handling and it will be fine and we'll let it be.

dark pike Sep 14, 2019, 3:16 PM

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2500 im pretty sure

quick lichen Sep 14, 2019, 3:24 PM

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2500 or 2625

sullen vault Sep 14, 2019, 3:25 PM

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imagine imagining on how to balance a broken tank when you can just remove it :^)

quick lichen Sep 14, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Surely you don’t want the 183 removed right? (🤞🏼)

nimble zodiac Sep 14, 2019, 3:37 PM

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It’s such a wild card in the line, Badger would fit but for people who paid for the crates there would be a problem

crystal basin Sep 14, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Strange, I believe There is something wrong in my 183, It do needs aiming, and more than normal tanks To get spot that hesh pens. And I rarely see 500 splashes on heavy, angling maus usually gets 3-400 or trollish less 100... And even my E100 takes 400splashes on turret.
I can imagine games without smasher, only truely broken tank in game. I feel less frustrated seeing 183 on enemy on any t9/10. But level of banging myself in head in t6-8 and facing staliniumpowered smasher...

distant river Sep 14, 2019, 4:28 PM

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@crystal basin Lmao you think the smasher is the only broken tank in the game. I splash for 3-400 in my WT with HE, the 183 does not do the same. The 183 can also pen most tier 10 heavies frontally with HESH which is a huge problem for the game

shadow tide Sep 14, 2019, 4:30 PM

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hi

unique scaffold Sep 14, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Fredy

tall hatch Sep 14, 2019, 5:04 PM

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The Badger, FV215B 183, and Smasher are all broken in my opinion.

rapid citrus Sep 14, 2019, 5:11 PM

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The 183 is not OP. The badger is quite strong but once something gets to its sides and rear its toast. The smasher topic is quite controversial

unique scaffold Sep 14, 2019, 6:03 PM

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i just love the T95 for the 1% of the matches the whole team depends on its front armor (305mm). I'd suggest giving it a buff to actually make it a tank that people actually like to play with, but i'm not sure how you could buff it... The tank has too many negatives for the front 305mm armor to shine really... :(

quick lichen Sep 14, 2019, 6:31 PM

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@rapid citrus op and broken are two different things

slim rivet Sep 14, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Did some1 seriously say 183 needs a buff?

unique scaffold Sep 14, 2019, 8:14 PM

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E100 is fine wtf

fiery turtle Sep 14, 2019, 8:18 PM

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@slim rivet : See my post of 10:29 today

dim field Sep 14, 2019, 8:41 PM

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You might wanna tell them what time zone your in or what time it is currently for you. Unless they already know their 10:29 could be very different to yours

fiery turtle Sep 14, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Good point: UTC/GMT+1

teal olive Sep 14, 2019, 9:18 PM

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@quick lichen I can speak for at least half of the playerbase... we want the 183 gone. It’s impossible to make changes to it without it just being a mega derp no skill tank.

unique scaffold Sep 14, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Why does the hull of the T110E5 and T110E4 differ if they have the same hull and engine?

quick lichen Sep 14, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Why does the 121 get 340 alpha heat but the 113 gets 370 @unique scaffold

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Some things just don’t make sense

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T49 gets 560 alpha heat and 780 alpha he. Only the t49 and kpz 70 get those numbers. Every other 150-155 mm gets 640/960

unique scaffold Sep 14, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Speaking of which, a 155mm is a big difference from a 150mm in those high numbers, that's alot more steel than between 88mm and 90mm

quick lichen Sep 14, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Apparently not 😂

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88 220
90 225
100 280
100 310 (140, 62, 54, t22)
105 310 (bat lowe tiger 2 t32)
105 350 (all other tier 9/10 meds)

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It’s crazy

errant warren Sep 14, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Kpf has worse he it has only 640 alpha

karmic steeple Sep 14, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Buff the he on the kpf there’s almost no point to shoot he

winged barn Sep 14, 2019, 11:53 PM

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Chief mk6 has 360 apcr

nimble zodiac Sep 15, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Just... don’t use HE 😂

tame plume Sep 15, 2019, 12:22 AM

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There are thin tanks that can meet the kpfpz you know

honest bramble Sep 15, 2019, 12:27 AM

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Lol bro Obj. 268 HEAT is 380

formal vale Sep 15, 2019, 12:41 AM

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@honest bramble we're talking damage here, not pen...

honest bramble Sep 15, 2019, 12:41 AM

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Oh ok then it's 545

thick rover Sep 15, 2019, 12:55 AM

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IMO 183 needs small buff to gun handling then it's ok

formal vale Sep 15, 2019, 1:19 AM

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Or not... Just leave it in it's nerfed state so it remains unpopular and thus Blitz remains fun-ish to play :p

dim field Sep 15, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Still have zero battles in my 183.
As things should be

sonic cedar Sep 15, 2019, 2:06 AM

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I have 5k battles and grinding new lines i skip tier 2 and now stuck at tier 3, matchmaking took so long, can you fix it in next update

That's the reason why some player quit because they taught there's few player playing in game

hushed fox Sep 15, 2019, 2:30 AM

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What’s weird is I keep getting higher AP rolls with the 121 then I do with the apcr of 113...😒🤔

unique scaffold Sep 15, 2019, 2:48 AM

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This isn’t related but that’s gold lmao

stoic pebble Sep 15, 2019, 2:48 AM

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delete it lol

nimble zodiac Sep 15, 2019, 7:04 AM

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I hope you’re joking

sinful yarrow Sep 15, 2019, 7:07 AM

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View rng of meds DOSE NOT have any problem.....it's your playing style have problem.learn to play on heavy tanks and pls don't request these thing like decrease the med view rng.nearf......ahhhhgghhhhh

shy wren Sep 15, 2019, 7:11 AM

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You’re using a Maus, sniping. Sounds like a troll to me.

nimble zodiac Sep 15, 2019, 7:15 AM

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@tulip imp do not snipe in the heaviest tank in the game, you’re gonna get spotted, even if you are next to a bush. Don’t snipe in heavies. If the meds got a nerf by at least 250m away then their VR would be like 30 😂 it’s unfair to do a lot of damage to enemies without being spotted, if snipers didn’t get spotted as easily, then Blitz would become stagnant, which is not it’s purpose, if the VR got a nerf then lights would lose their general purpose, same with meds since they take the job in higher tiers

shy wren Sep 15, 2019, 7:21 AM

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A Maus isn’t meant to snipe; you know that much when grinding through that line; big German HTs with derpy guns and solid armor. You belong in the frontline, as a true tank for the team, soaking the dmg for your team

nimble zodiac Sep 15, 2019, 7:26 AM

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@tulip imp let’s quickly respond in #vehicles-discussion shall we?

ruby oriole Sep 15, 2019, 8:50 AM

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Wow, have you guys not realised that he is trolling? Just ignore him lmao. Even his name suggests that he is a troll.

sinful yarrow Sep 15, 2019, 8:53 AM

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Lol

jade cargoBOT Sep 15, 2019, 11:30 AM

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dynoSuccess Hugest_Ravioli#9046 has been warned.

crystal basin Sep 15, 2019, 11:37 AM

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@distant river if u really get penned frontally of tier 10 heavy by hesh, u are doing something wrong in it (exl. 57 and 50b)

distant river Sep 15, 2019, 11:53 AM

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You think moving is doing something wrong? You are playing the wrong game.

coarse harness Sep 15, 2019, 12:21 PM

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If you still have problems with the 183 then you can't play for sure

distant river Sep 15, 2019, 12:23 PM

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If you have a 183 at spawn it closes off too many areas of the map completely ruining gameplay. That is the problem everyone has with the 183. 1300 alpha with HESH cannot be balenced

jade cargoBOT Sep 15, 2019, 12:49 PM

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dynoSuccess Hugest_Ravioli#9046 was muted

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dynoSuccess Hugest_Ravioli#9046 was banned

shy wren Sep 15, 2019, 1:07 PM

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@ruby oriole we know he’s a troll, but you know, we can’t help but just get along and rebutt all his points. Good thing he’s gone already.

Still, if there are people with that mindset, idk 😐

fiery turtle Sep 15, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Going back to my suggestion on the 183 yesterday (full PC level alpha damage with 1 less shot per minute and no AP ammo):

The problem with the 183 is that it isn't a front line tank (i.e. close support, just behind friendly heavies).

But if WG buffed its frontal armour (and nerfed its rear armour), it could be a front line tank.

And if they took away its AP shell, and gave it 1 less shot per minute, the 183 would have to be a front line tank (or a flanker) to reach its maximum potential against enemy heavies - since HESH is less reliable at long range due to the risk of hitting tracks or strong armour. And with only 1.8 shots per minute, it could no longer afford to miss a HESH shot - encouraging it to move closer to the action.

Of course, the noobs will always camp and use HE for splash damage at long range - but with a 33 second reload, they will only be effective against poorly armoured targets. And that's if they hit. Missing a shot would have greater consequences than it does now, a fast tank could dash in behind the 183 and HE it almost to death before it could reload.

Buffed alpha with nerfed reload gives greater rewards, but also greater risk. 'Hero or zero'.

In a close range head to head, with the 183's reload being that slow, a Maus using APCR could easily out-DPM it even when firing only APCR. A 183 using HE on a Maus and only getting splash damage would need over 2 minutes to kill it from full health (1750 alpha gives 730 splash on a max roll), while the Maus, even using only APCR, would need only 1 minute to kill a full health 183, with average rolls.

(The 183 can't pen a Maus frontally with HESH, making prammo useless without flanking.)

quick lichen Sep 15, 2019, 1:55 PM

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🤦🏼‍♂️

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The tank can’t be balanced for blitz

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It’s just that simple

fiery turtle Sep 15, 2019, 2:03 PM

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@quick lichen : I know - but WG had their chance to replace the 183 with the Badger in the tech tree, and make the 183 a collector's tank, and they chose not to.

So IMO there's nothing for WG to lose by trying something new on the 183. If it doesn't work, they could change it back in the next update.

quick lichen Sep 15, 2019, 2:03 PM

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Nothing to lose

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Other than players

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1750 would one shot like half of the tier 9 tanks

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And you seem to forget that tanks on pc/console have more health and the alpha damages are designed to match that

iron lynx Sep 15, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Any attempt to balance the FV215b 183 will usually result in it being:
1: Useless and unplayable
2: Broken and detrimental to tier X gameplay
3: Nothing different and it keeps an annoying, yet somewhat tolerable presence.

coarse charm Sep 15, 2019, 2:10 PM

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they should remove the autotracking in Realistic bc there’s no reason I should take fire from across the map 5 seconds into the game

fiery turtle Sep 15, 2019, 2:14 PM

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@quick lichen : Yes, tanks in PC have more health - but tanks in Blitz usually have a higher rate of fire, balancing that out.

I'm proposing reducing the 183's rate of fire to below PC level.

unique scaffold Sep 15, 2019, 2:18 PM

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As has already been said... multiple times. The issue with the tank is the Alpha. Giving it more Alpha does not solve that issue.

quick lichen Sep 15, 2019, 2:18 PM

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I’m proposing you play pc

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I’d love to see a poll of if people like the 183 being garbage or not

fiery turtle Sep 15, 2019, 2:24 PM

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@iron lynx : I get it. You want the 183 removed from the tech tree. I want it removed from the tech tree. Every skilled veteran player wants it removed from the tech tree.

But WG won't do it! The 183 is too popular with noobs!

At least my idea of removing the 183's AP would make the noobs spam HESH prammo, making WG more money because the noobs would need premium account to run their 183's...

WG seriously missed out on a mega money-making trick by not replacing the 183 with the Badger and re-introducing it as a crate tank - rich noobs with lots of money would have gambled hundreds of euros to get it back, lol! 😂

unique scaffold Sep 15, 2019, 2:25 PM

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I think nerfing the tank to the point where those who own it don't want to play it is just about perfect.

indigo knot Sep 15, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Can E100 and Vk7201k get some love....
E100 should get some HP buff or a bit of turret armour buff and can Vk7201k get spaced armour just like PC and HP buff or Dpm buff similar to E100

round sundial Sep 15, 2019, 2:33 PM

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The problem is, you can't buff or nerf either of the heavies in german T10 without making the others completely obsolete / much better compared to them. You buff VK72 it becomes a noob proof E100, you buff E100 and VK72 becomes useless compared to it. E: The only thing I think could be buffed would be E100 turret's side and VK72 turret cheeks buff, that shouldn't make them too OP but also help them

quick lichen Sep 15, 2019, 2:34 PM

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Vk 72 didn’t need the hp nerf from testing

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Dpm is already garbage and the gun itself is meh

winged sorrel Sep 15, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Another correct point

thick rover Sep 15, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Don't think nerfing a tank till it's unplayable/unpopular is a fix..if you want that you might as well champion for removal of the tank

If you wanna say Wargaming don't wanna do that then too bad, you should be bugging them to remove and not ask for mega nerf

noble siren Sep 15, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Buffing the German HT would be a good idea because penning them is so easy, VK72's gun is more than terrible. If E100 can get a little more armor on the turret will be good because it can be easily penned with gold without out any problem, about Vk72 better gun would be useful

winged sorrel Sep 15, 2019, 2:50 PM

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But E 100 has already a huge armour? Why would it require more, especially than its counterpart Maus. It has already a ton of HP. The main point should be the increase in Vk' s hp

unique scaffold Sep 15, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Add the option to research a premium tank once its brought, so the buyer can sell his premium tank and buy it again for credits, once they have bought it for gold/money

indigo knot Sep 15, 2019, 3:10 PM

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E100 is super heavy and so is the VK but they are nothing more than a HP pinata when facing tank that are firing gold.....they have nothing special except that they have 152
I tried both these tanks in ratings and it was such a struggle to play with them

warm ibex Sep 15, 2019, 3:28 PM

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hey guys

jade cargoBOT Sep 15, 2019, 3:35 PM

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dynoSuccess stalin.xx#7165 has been warned.

noble siren Sep 15, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Does somebody know how is the Tiger2 doing in the testing?

elfin helm Sep 15, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Good

rose blaze Sep 15, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Buff the is7 apcr to 350 pen with high caliber

karmic steeple Sep 15, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Is7 is fine

indigo knot Sep 15, 2019, 4:54 PM

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Well Is7 has power creeped
But I won't ask for buff
Firstly its Russian and knowing WG they will over buff it and then might nerf it till it is a trash tank or never nerf it just like Is4

But I surely would like both E100 and Vk7201k to be buffed.... reason being when 60TP arrives I am afraid E100 and Vk7201k will become obsolete....even now Vk7201k is rarely seen in battles

supple thistle Sep 15, 2019, 6:15 PM

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If you want to change the 183 you can't just change the gun, you have to change the entire tank. The whole point of making the chassis so garbage was because the gun was ridiculous, so just give it 800 alpha like the Jaegeroo, keep the 120mm HESH, give it APCR for premium and buff the turret armor to something more than abysmal and give it 80mm side armor. That way you can sidescrape on the frontline at least against meds and low pen heavies, they won't immediately want to cry when they get hit for half their health, it's comparable to the Jaegeroo without outclassing it and will still die if pushed but be a danger if it can find the right corner.

Alternatively, you can give it a better camo rating and upper front plate so it's a sniping version of the Jaegeroo with the camo not being broken by traversing the turret and the stronger plate and turret being good at a distance but easy to pen up close like like the rest of the line.

prime walrus Sep 15, 2019, 6:26 PM

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They cant change the Gun alpha or pen...
those are literally the only 2 defining characteristics of the tank

unique scaffold Sep 15, 2019, 6:28 PM

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Your basically making a better Jag panzer if you do that to the 183

karmic steeple Sep 15, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Not really it still wouldn’t have armor just some

tardy meadow Sep 15, 2019, 7:05 PM

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If they nerf the 183s DMG a whole tech three line will become unplayable. You basically suffer till you get the 183. Sure the Tortoise is rly good when maxed but other than that the entire line is very situational and no one will want to grind it for a tank that can do the same stuff as as others but having a far better grind to the tier X tank.

unique scaffold Sep 15, 2019, 7:05 PM

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Honestly, get the HESH out, replace with an apcr, cause that is just straight broken, make it slightly less concealed, slight armor buff, maybe... Maybe less accurate... Trying to think of buffs and nerfs... I guess nerf the aiming time since the FV4005 183mm in real life only carried HESH and had a low velocity... I don't know... It's just completely different than most tanks, and is the opposite of the tanks coming before it

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I doubt it carried nothing but HESH irl there might have been other ammo types

prime walrus Sep 15, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Theres nothing wrong with the HESH, it can do a lot of damage, but the tank is useless if its nerfed to oblivion. Thats what WG did. Its pretty trash now but its finally were it should be. In the garbage. If you can smack some unsuspecting heavy from across the map for half his HP, the tank should have major drawbacks. Thats what WG did this recent nerf. They make the tank unbearably horrible... so if you wanna go around ruining peoples games, at least you are going to have a bad time doing it.... Goodjob WG.

tardy meadow Sep 15, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Its not my fault the E5 is retarded to stay on the top of a hill for more than 20 seconds. When the enemy makes mistakes you take advantage of them. And when you make a mistake the enemy takes advantage of it. Its just how it is

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noble siren Sep 15, 2019, 7:28 PM

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Said the person who moved 100 meters from his spawn and already occupied the nearest bush Fv 183 will always remain as the most not OP broken tank in the game and will never be balanced

unique scaffold Sep 15, 2019, 7:42 PM

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@tardy meadow English only please

tardy meadow Sep 15, 2019, 7:45 PM

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As a CG character once said ''You see, we each make decisions according to our own moral compass, and we have to live with those decisions, or die by them''

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noble siren Sep 15, 2019, 7:50 PM

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It's still broken what's your point? Shooting in the back unexperienced player doesn't change the fact that you can one shot across the map from your spawn. And that's not their fault that a tank which can be everywhere at the map sees them and make often 1350+ damage to them.

tardy meadow Sep 15, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Is it the 183s fault for a heavy tank to be driving right in the open without any map awareness. By your idea of OP any tank with a gun bigger than 140 mm is OP because it can do 1200 dmg to a light tank from across the map.The T57 and 50 B are OP because they can do the same dmg as the FV. And before you say that they can miss a shot or 2 the 183 can also miss and its even more likely to miss than the autoloader. The Foch 155 can rush you and do 1300 dmg in 7 seconds and then reload for 15 seconds and it has a great armor profile which the FV doesn't.

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noble siren Sep 15, 2019, 8:06 PM

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@tardy meadow as I said before the Fv183 will remain as the most non OP broken tank in the game and it can't be balanced it's so simple but you obviously can't understand it

prime walrus Sep 15, 2019, 8:09 PM

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The missing 2/3 shells for a heavy is still an argument, but whats even more of an argument is that those heavies (50b/57) have to do that 1200 damage up close, generally while spotted and to the front of enemy vehicles... (generally) while the 183, which has enough pen to butter the front of almost any heavy in the game, generally gets side shots on enemy heavys, which it can pen with HESH. It doesnt deserve to have any good stats when its standard method of play gets it easy 1300 damage shots while the heavies have to slug it out or force push locations to get out of TD range.
I also said before I thought the foch autoloader was a huge mistake, but im ignoring it for the time being because it will get nerfed

tardy meadow Sep 15, 2019, 8:13 PM

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@prime walrus here you go a 183 from up close. The only HESH chance i had was the Maus side but because the tank has bad accuracy it hit the spaced armor

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noble siren Sep 15, 2019, 8:19 PM

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You're sad

tardy meadow Sep 15, 2019, 8:24 PM

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So is this 57 heavy for pulling sideways in front of a 183

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prime walrus Sep 15, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Great, you can pull up single game instances where you got unlucky... thats nice and all, but the 183 used to have the highest damage of any tier 10 in the game, across the entire playerbase... that speaks worlds for how stupid the 183 was. Its better for the balancing of the game to have tanks that can do so much damage in such a short time, have massive draw backs.

tardy meadow Sep 15, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Keyword ''WAS''.Anyway have another one. Im done with the 183 going back to the 111 1-4 and hope that WG adds the 5A

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prime walrus Sep 15, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Thats the point. It WAS crazy and now its the worst tier 10 in the game. Which I find very fitting. It should hurt to play the 183 as much as it hurts to have to fight one.

tardy meadow Sep 15, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Well i can kinda agree there now its more of a meh tank. Sure it can still do D A M A G E but its not that consistent anymore which I think its how any tank with alpha above 600 should be. Same with the KV-2 it can still one shot a tank but its not that consistent anymore

round sundial Sep 15, 2019, 9:01 PM

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The problem is, it completely inhibits gameplay and encourages passive play, because noone will peek any position where 183 may be preaimed. If they have brains that is. It's not OP but breaks the gameplay and is boring to play with and against

tardy meadow Sep 15, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Yes it is boring to play with. The Tortoise is much more fun

unique scaffold Sep 15, 2019, 9:42 PM

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The 183 is good enough as is, the point of a TD, especially the 183 is high risk high reward. The upper plate was really strong a long time ago and they had to nerf it

hoary isle Sep 15, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Anyone know when 6.3 will be out

orchid grove Sep 15, 2019, 10:14 PM

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@hoary isle Tuesday afternoon on NA time zones

shy zenith Sep 16, 2019, 12:17 AM

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Wait so in two days 6.3 will be out in NA?

hushed fox Sep 16, 2019, 1:04 AM

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When you see them talking details about next update at in game news its a sure bet update is coming in next week

smoky yoke Sep 16, 2019, 4:27 AM

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183 pretty fun to play still , you just have to load more ap shells than hesh shells as before and use more HE shells. if you cant pen with HESH just switch to HE. My load out is 8ap , 4 Hesh, 3 HE. It works better that way. You can do 8k dmg with 8 ap and if you cant pen with HESH 2k - 5k dmg and 3 HE for those meds giving you average 300-1625 dmg.

grave bear Sep 16, 2019, 5:13 AM

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wow, if u cant pen with ap use he for splash, i would've never said that for a fv183, thx dude.

smoky yoke Sep 16, 2019, 5:36 AM

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@grave bear that is where you should read properly bro ,if you cant pen fully with hesh use HE to save credits. Will do mostly the same dmg. per cost. The more you guys hate on it the more you make me want to play against you guys if you in NA.

grave bear Sep 16, 2019, 5:48 AM

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wow im wordless u're so smart

smoky yoke Sep 16, 2019, 5:50 AM

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Thanks, I know

dim field Sep 16, 2019, 6:15 AM

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Disagree on the kv-2 getting unnerfed

crystal spoke Sep 16, 2019, 7:03 AM

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I wouldn't disagree in it getting another round

unique scaffold Sep 16, 2019, 7:06 AM

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Premiums?

crystal spoke Sep 16, 2019, 7:14 AM

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@unique scaffold what about them?

It really depends on which premi you're talking about some like the smasher is absolutely op but others like the rev could use a small buff to alpha and others are completely balanced like the o-47 ~~which the should resell~~ @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Sep 16, 2019, 7:16 AM

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I just wanted to hear some opinions about them because everyone says that the tanks themselves are O.P. and should be either nerfed or completely removed... @crystal spoke

unique scaffold Sep 16, 2019, 8:37 AM

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Honestly...I dont feel that any particular tank is O.P. because it also depends on the situation... for example a t54 ltwt circling a 252 u

crystal spoke Sep 16, 2019, 8:44 AM

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The smasher is op because it's got good armour its fairly fast turning is pretty mobile for a heavy does way too much dmg while having a relatively short reload and being quite accurate

round sundial Sep 16, 2019, 8:51 AM

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It even outclasses some T8 tanks, so the logical move is to simply move it to tier 8, it'll do just fine with 250mm HEAT pen

distant river Sep 16, 2019, 8:51 AM

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@unique scaffold You do not understand what OP is then. OP tanks give average players significant advantages over other average players. For example a 48%er in a WZ120FT will do so much better than a 48%er in a T28. It is not about who will win a 1v1, it is about who will be best for the team.

unique scaffold Sep 16, 2019, 9:15 AM

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No @distant river O.P. means Over Powered I believe that for a guy who drives both the 252u, the Lowe the m 10 panther as premiums and turns around and drives something around like the is8, is3, t-54 ltwt, lttb, tiger 1 & 2 with the e75 grind I critically believe that it is the game mechanics for example the HP system in this game is a dumb mechanic however war gaming had done this for years when you have different dpm's with different set of hp levels with different types of armor profiles it is completely and udderlessly lazy and incompetent to have a set hp system because that overall just generates not only more work for the tanks that your adding to the game, they need to be fixed even after all the testing...however it does make for a simple game play, I do think the comp mechanics are a huge problem and there could just be so much more done to the maps such as the size, now we have more powerful devices and can use up a little more space on the ram, really that's what I want to see is more effort put into a map, bigger maps. more players. MORE Explosions.

hearty steeple Sep 16, 2019, 9:51 AM

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I don't know what you will use if you don't use hp, rng? I guess I would play russian tanks then. Also i personally feel the combination of dpm, different hp pools and armour makes the game quite interesting. As for larger maps and more players, that won't be happening simply because we are on mobile. If you make pc size maps and have more players most phones(only the current top end phones would run it) won't be able to run the game and the game will loose a lot of players. Would certainly like more explosions

crystal spoke Sep 16, 2019, 10:15 AM

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@hearty steeple the alternative to an hp system would be how wt does it where you can get one shot by any round if it opens and isnt a solid shot and everything is thus more realistic as well this "wt" system would need more ammo types all doing different things

distant river Sep 16, 2019, 10:25 AM

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@unique scaffold Overpowered which is measured by the performance of average players.

random bear Sep 16, 2019, 10:29 AM

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Wargaming only keeps track of players within 55-65% winrate...so if ur above it ..ur lucky

thick rover Sep 16, 2019, 10:33 AM

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Should Patton get 1 more degree depression? With the buff of STB it may become like less viable

kindred holly Sep 16, 2019, 10:45 AM

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patton should get a dispersion buff

thick rover Sep 16, 2019, 10:50 AM

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So gun handling ye

unique scaffold Sep 16, 2019, 10:53 AM

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The Fatton is the #2 medium for win rate and damage on the most recently released charts. I sincerely doubt it'll get any sort of buff

indigo knot Sep 16, 2019, 11:07 AM

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Can we see a few buffs to
Leo1(Turret Traverse, Aim Time buff and Soft Stats buff like turret rotation and hull rotation dispersion buff or DPM buff)

Leo PTA (gun depression buff 7 deg and dpm buff to Type61 level i.e. 6.9sec fully kitted out)

WZ120 (5 deg of gun dep on 122mm)

Grille 15cm (traverse and top speed buff along with buff to chance of getting on fire and a bit of camo buff to E3 levels or Penetration buff Ap-290,Heat- 365, He-85 if the camo is not done)

T28 this tank is one the worst tier 8 doesn't have adequate armour or mobility (give it mobility buff and top speed buff or more frontal armour like M6EXP so that it maches the other tanks in it line in terms of playstyle)

round frost Sep 16, 2019, 11:10 AM

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Buff the IS-3 credit coefficient

kindred holly Sep 16, 2019, 11:30 AM

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252 pure pay to win

unique scaffold Sep 16, 2019, 11:36 AM

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Not really

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I don't see the 252 as that big of a threat. Now the Smasher and WZ-120-ft are definitely over tuned and rightfully deserve a nerf but I don't know that I'd call them pay to win. A bad player in those two tanks will still be a bad player.

distant river Sep 16, 2019, 11:39 AM

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"Pay to win more often" is a better phrase.

kindred holly Sep 16, 2019, 11:42 AM

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i bounced 5 shot on his side driving t341, where it marked as white

indigo knot Sep 16, 2019, 11:43 AM

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It has spaced armour....hit it above the tracks and don't auto aim

unique scaffold Sep 16, 2019, 11:44 AM

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@distant river yeah that works. But at the end of the day the player is still bad. Personally I don't have a problem with a player dropping 50 bucks to move from 47 to 48% win rate. We both know they won't move much farther than no matter what tank they buy.

round sundial Sep 16, 2019, 11:44 AM

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The problem is not spaced armour, the problem is extremely sloped sides, like 999+mm dead on from its side. You need to hit the upper part or lower part, middle is a black hole generator

latent snow Sep 16, 2019, 12:41 PM

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What’s wrong with aiming

noble siren Sep 16, 2019, 1:06 PM

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@indigo knot agree that Leo1 needs some kind of a love but buffing something he is already good at is pointless to me and not useful. All I want is a little buff on the gun mantlet and maybe DPM buff maybe to 5.7/8 with consumables

indigo knot Sep 16, 2019, 1:16 PM

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@noble siren believe me the gun ain't that good....you need to snapshot many time and the bloom is too big

thick rover Sep 16, 2019, 1:16 PM

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@unique scaffold Im actually pretty confused why did they buff the STB? Was it's winrate bad or because it's bad because its unpopular I mean I find STB and Patton similar so idk why the Patton can get that kind of winrate compared to STB

coarse harness Sep 16, 2019, 1:48 PM

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What ?

unique scaffold Sep 16, 2019, 1:58 PM

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My question is what does that have to do with the topic of this channel?@vagrant valley

vagrant valley Sep 16, 2019, 2:05 PM

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, I dont know that's why I'm asking

noble siren Sep 16, 2019, 2:08 PM

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@vagrant valley bad MM?

young sapphire Sep 16, 2019, 2:44 PM

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I don't like Chinese 122mm it fast reload and when Chinese MT vs Soviet HT Soviet has a long reload but Chinese has a fast reload i want it reload like a USSR 122mm

full token Sep 16, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Seems wg is buffing that reload, so I wonder how mad you will be soon

hushed fox Sep 16, 2019, 3:01 PM

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The HE on the 121 is a real butt kicker too

tall vapor Sep 16, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Wg why doesn't the Amx 13 57 have cammo on the move? Paid 8500 gold on the tank, only You found I bought a light tank wich doesn't have light cammo caracteristică?

meager spruce Sep 16, 2019, 3:32 PM

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@young sapphire mediums are supposed to have DPM sooo no, the reload should stay the same

prime walrus Sep 16, 2019, 3:36 PM

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It does have camo on the move, the entire camo rating is just garbage

unique scaffold Sep 16, 2019, 3:36 PM

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@young sapphire bruh the point of a medium is to have a faster reload compared to other tanks of the same caliber at a cost of armor

deft owl Sep 16, 2019, 4:00 PM

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@unique scaffold Lol no. Point of a medium is being allrounder. It has nothing to do with its reload speed or caliber.

teal olive Sep 16, 2019, 4:39 PM

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@latent snow because somebody just sitting flat side on to you deserves to be punished. You shouldn’t have to aim carefully at a flat side like your aiming for a hatch or something.

latent snow Sep 16, 2019, 4:50 PM

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shoot the tracks it should pen the armor behind

indigo knot Sep 16, 2019, 7:23 PM

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I was just playing 183 on my friends acc....omg that thing is broken.....just fired 3 hesh shots in a match and 4.1k damage.....
And in 6 games 3k avg dmg...... Idk why is everyone complaining about its nerf????

Shell Velocity of 183 must be nerfed

coarse harness Sep 16, 2019, 7:25 PM

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How about decrease the ammo price on T10 meds ?
It is about an avarage 1200 credit for mostly 350 dmg, on the other hand the E-100 AP costs 1260 with 640 alpha and 1060 for most of the other heavys with 120/122/128 mm 🤔
Maybe meds would be more popular if you dont lose 10-15K credit without even using prammo
It should be around 800 credits IMO

upbeat tide Sep 16, 2019, 7:35 PM

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is WG going to do something about this? armour is worse - 80mm side plates (imo should be 100-120). not to mention WR is a flat 3% worse. no incentive to grind this tank

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charred bobcat Sep 16, 2019, 7:51 PM

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@upbeat tide it is getting buffed...
@indigo knot wow boy is 6 battles such a huge sample. Not even like 3k is that impressive with a td anyways. 183 is too situational and doesnt have a role in this game.

indigo knot Sep 16, 2019, 7:55 PM

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@charred bobcat 183 rather needs more nerf (shell Velocity nerf)
I have played over 50 games in that tank in friends account and it is not situational rather still broken tank
50+ games is enough idea about the tank....

@quick lichen i know...but I found that rounds on it had surprisingly good shell Velocity

quick lichen Sep 16, 2019, 7:56 PM

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It will never not be broken

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Broken also doesn’t necessarily mean op either

charred bobcat Sep 16, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Lmao what you're saying is obviously stretched and doesnt make any sense went from 6 battles to 50 in 30 minutes. Very cool. You're probably saying 183 needs a nerf because you get nuked too much tbh. Your 30 day stats don't really scream that you're a 3k player in any tank, let alone a 183.

indigo knot Sep 16, 2019, 8:08 PM

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@charred bobcat bruh i meant i played 6 battles today
And 50 battles i have after the nerf...when i feel like nu
king someone i jump onto my friends account in 183

I would say 183 is unfair tank in blitz where maps are small

nimble zodiac Sep 16, 2019, 8:33 PM

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Don’t offend languages @unique scaffold but anyways how about a nice invincible turret for T32 so the meh gun can balance the good armor on turret like a T34, but actually having a meh gun

upbeat tide Sep 16, 2019, 8:34 PM

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@charred bobcat do u know what is getting buffed?

charred bobcat Sep 16, 2019, 8:41 PM

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@upbeat tide +100 horsepower and new consumables (reactive and aim only I think)

mental nymph Sep 17, 2019, 4:48 AM

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Is it possible for all the regular m-w-f tournaments to be at 4:30pm instead of 8 pm according to CEST?

coarse harness Sep 17, 2019, 4:59 AM

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#tourneys-discussion

sly locust Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 AM

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o

white pumice Sep 17, 2019, 11:14 AM

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nerf t-22 and badger pls

unique scaffold Sep 17, 2019, 1:23 PM

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Give the Kpfpz 70 HE the alpha of T49 HE, they are both American 152 mm guns. When I pen enemies with HE using Kpfpz 70, I do nearly the same damage I do usually with the standard APCR ammo. It's useless the HE right now

distant river Sep 17, 2019, 2:17 PM

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I normally take loads of HE on tanks but in the kpf I take maybe 5? It is really not work risking splash for 80 extra damage, especially with that reload. Sure it has good pen but with tracks, RNG etc it is almost useless. Even if WG nerfed the pen and buffed the damage to 780 it would be used much more.

I would definitely prefer 2° extra depression but HE is second on the list. Maybe a nerf of the lower plate to compensate?

hushed fox Sep 17, 2019, 2:22 PM

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It doesnt seem reliable to me, even against paper tds I get low rolls. But AP will roll well and consistently

unique scaffold Sep 17, 2019, 2:26 PM

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The HE is a joke and that’s a fact it needs a buff or there was no point putting kpz at tier 9

distant river Sep 17, 2019, 2:53 PM

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WG could still put it at tier 10. It would need a few changes but would fit. It could either be made to be a med or a mobile E100 with less armour. I would say making it a med fits better so I would suggest:

Regular 150 alpha (640/550/960)
Buff pen by {20/20/0}
Buff reload by 1 sec (14 from 15 sec, gives it 2750/2350/4100 dpm)
Top speed increase to {55/20}
Terrain resistance changed to {0.9/1.1/1.5}
Buff engine power to 1000hp (from 825hp)
Buff turret turn speed to 30°
Camo buff to {25%/20%/5%}
Depression buff to 8°
HP increase to 1800 (from 1700)
Redesignated as a medium tank.

This makes it unique, fast enough but not super quick, great alpha, decent pen, bad dpm, bad hull armour, decent turret but with weakspots, able to work ridges if ignored but vulnerable if focused.

formal vale Sep 17, 2019, 2:56 PM

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I think it would be interesting to keep the 560 avg dmg but give it a 12 sec reload at tier 10

An even 12 sec reload would mean 5 rpm, which would be 2800 dpm

thick rover Sep 17, 2019, 3:31 PM

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I rather it remain a heavy

unique scaffold Sep 17, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Personally the only change I'd like to the Kpfpz would be another 2 degrees of gun depression.

karmic steeple Sep 17, 2019, 4:24 PM

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I think the problem is when you’re shooting a waffle overexposed people want to do a little more damage than APCR,not lucky rng pens. Just buff the HE damage a little and more gun depression would be great

acoustic shard Sep 17, 2019, 4:41 PM

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there's no point in a big gun that can't use HE

cunning kindle Sep 17, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Logic : over 9000

Smh any prem that's not op

Playerbase : buff itttt, i m not getting 3k dmg every game

sterile cypress Sep 17, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Panther 8.8 is definitely NOT OP.

visual nimbus Sep 17, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Haven’t seen that for sale in a while
Unless I missed it

wet quail Sep 17, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Because it doesn’t sell

brazen monolith Sep 17, 2019, 5:27 PM

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They should buff IS-7 abit

dim field Sep 17, 2019, 5:43 PM

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For the Kpfz I'd like if the bumped up the low roll dmg. I get more 400 dmg shots than 500 to max dmg shots combined. Really stinks having 8 shots in a row all be 400-ish dmg shots.

verbal spade Sep 17, 2019, 5:45 PM

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I have no issues with the Kpfz 70 as it is. It just requires patience and thoughtful positioning to be effective.

formal vale Sep 17, 2019, 6:08 PM

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I'd honestly just like to see how the Kpz would perform as a tier 10 tank.

compact sundial Sep 17, 2019, 6:34 PM

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The only issues I have with the KpfPz 70 is the near CONSTANT low rolling I get. Other than that the tank is pretty competitive for me

dim field Sep 17, 2019, 6:53 PM

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^

distant river Sep 17, 2019, 6:59 PM

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KPF is alright where it is, but it would be better suited somewhere else

unique scaffold Sep 17, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Ye, just because I have a different opinion to yours means I'm a 40%-er. And you're also a community helper.
Very nice

safe copper Sep 17, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Sad but true

indigo knot Sep 17, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Well they are just giving there opinion on Kpf70 just like you rant about buffing Bat chat

cursive vector Sep 17, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Pls bann FV 183

dim eagle Sep 17, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Buff mus

nimble zodiac Sep 17, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Maus definitely doesn’t need a buff

dim eagle Sep 17, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Since wts the point of owning the mighty maus when most tds can pen ur hardest frony armor with ap

unique scaffold Sep 17, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Rationally, Kpfpz and T49 have both 152 mm XM american missile launchers /building destroyers series guns. So why the HE alpha shouldn't be the same, really, I'd like to use the HE every now and then when I can counteract the light tanks and poorly armored TDs. No, I have to use the standard APCR because the RNG negates the little alpha damage the HE of Kpfpz has now more compared to APCR. It makes no sense this situation, T49 and Kpfpz have 152 mm American guns? Then they HAVE TO have the same alpha

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quick lichen Sep 17, 2019, 9:34 PM

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Why don’t they have 640/960?😣

unique scaffold Sep 17, 2019, 9:41 PM

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@quick lichen I suppose it's because the conventional 152 mm guns were built for missile launching role exclusively, and they were capable to destroy buildings, with ammo not purposely created for anti-tank role, so the fact is, that ammo is not as effective as the proper 150/152/155 mm anti-tank ammo (also, in my opinion, 155 mm caliber in this game should have a little extra alpha, 5 mm make the difference in reality)

quick lichen Sep 17, 2019, 9:41 PM

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120 mm guns hit for 400

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122 mm is8 and is4 hit for 420

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113 and 121 are 122 mm guns and they hit for 400

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There’s no logical explanation

dusky barn Sep 17, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Tier 9 Meds with 105mm guns have 400, 440 and 450 HE damage
Tier 9 Meds with 100mm guns have 350 and 420 HE damage.
This is the worst logic ever

unique scaffold Sep 17, 2019, 9:48 PM

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The obvious solution is to give the Kpfpz and T49 the Shillelagh guided missile as their premium round

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M62 Russian 122 mm guns I suppose used specially crafted ammo or they were technically more advanced than the Chinese simplified copies. I can explain it this way. @unique scaffold I just think that this game requires coherence sometimes. Both tanks carry same caliber American built ammo, so, there's no reason to have a so different alpha in their HE ammo. Trash German HE when the armament is exquisitely American? Not in this world, the worst combo made by WG. They have to give the tank something more

quick lichen Sep 17, 2019, 9:56 PM

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@unique scaffold fire and forget missiles please

unique scaffold Sep 17, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Nah. I know how WG could add guided missiles without royally screwing up balance. It would be fair for both mobile and PC players.

quick lichen Sep 17, 2019, 9:59 PM

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T49a come on down

unique scaffold Sep 17, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Use the dispersion circle as a guidance box. The target and missile must remain in the dispersion circle for the entire flight time of the missile or guidance and the missile will be lost.

nimble zodiac Sep 17, 2019, 10:01 PM

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@dim eagle what do you mean? You can hide your weak spots, you shouldn’t expect to bounce shots off of everything

unique scaffold Sep 17, 2019, 10:06 PM

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@unreal locust English only please

sullen vault Sep 17, 2019, 10:13 PM

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why t49a when u can have 183A

dim eagle Sep 17, 2019, 10:13 PM

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@nimble zodiac even if u hide ur weak spots tds can cut through ur forntal armor like butter

nimble zodiac Sep 17, 2019, 10:19 PM

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Not if you angle or hide the front of your turret

unique scaffold Sep 17, 2019, 10:22 PM

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@sullen vault your idea is bad and you should feel bad.

sullen vault Sep 17, 2019, 10:25 PM

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:'vvvvvvvv

quick lichen Sep 17, 2019, 10:30 PM

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@sullen vault I like the idea but it can only lock onto other 183a’s

indigo knot Sep 17, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Sturmtiger with 400mm caliber gun......1 shots a Maus frontally

sullen vault Sep 17, 2019, 10:55 PM

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@quick lichen i like where ur going but i was thinking of a really good one-why not make it go through 2 tanks,doing less damage on the second by 1%

quick lichen Sep 17, 2019, 11:19 PM

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Wait. What if you can only queue with 183a’s?

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@sullen vault 😏

nimble zodiac Sep 17, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Give the T18 a 152mm xD can’t wait to get my butt handed to me by a Tiger II tho, that armor lookin gooood

gentle flume Sep 18, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Now the tiger 2 got buff,i wonder will they buff the kv5

drifting depot Sep 18, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Just give the lttb twice more armor and a 155 mm gun, that's it 😔, get Insta balanced

noble siren Sep 18, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Good job with the buff on Tiger ll, good job WG👏 👏 👏

indigo knot Sep 18, 2019, 6:06 AM

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I am happy that a tech tree tank is finally better than the premium counter part

wide flume Sep 18, 2019, 6:23 AM

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^^^^

latent wyvern Sep 18, 2019, 7:44 AM

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^^

noble siren Sep 18, 2019, 7:54 AM

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No more russian and premium bias in the tournaments

nimble zodiac Sep 18, 2019, 7:56 AM

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I don’t understand how they are so significant, many other tanks are commonly used in the tournaments as well. What makes them powerful to you? If anything you should be worried about the impending Tiger IIs in tournaments 😂

ruby oriole Sep 18, 2019, 8:13 AM

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Who even plays tier 8 tournaments seriously/to win. You mostly play tier 8 for fun

coarse harness Sep 18, 2019, 8:16 AM

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Nice frontal weak spot
Oh nevermind

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noble siren Sep 18, 2019, 8:17 AM

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Maybe they should nerf a little bit the lower plate

dim eagle Sep 18, 2019, 8:22 AM

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nimble zodiac Sep 18, 2019, 8:22 AM

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WG selling T26E4 boasting the good penetration when tiger says no to it xD also @dim eagle #screenshots please

indigo knot Sep 18, 2019, 8:25 AM

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You need 230 pen for lower plate

coarse harness Sep 18, 2019, 8:30 AM

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I had to use APCR on flat ground to pen the UPPER PLATE cause that's easier to pen

Like how stupid you have to be to make changes like this ?

noble siren Sep 18, 2019, 8:42 AM

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They should make the lower llate pennable for most of the mediums because yeah... The 120mm lower plate was not that bad

round sundial Sep 18, 2019, 8:44 AM

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"But but it deserved the buff, it's been bad forever!" -said everyone here.
"It's not even gonna be OP with the buff!" - said some dudes here too

And look what we have here

latent wyvern Sep 18, 2019, 9:30 AM

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Lol yeah

lost sinew Sep 18, 2019, 10:06 AM

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No one will play French autoloaders 😁

dim eagle Sep 18, 2019, 11:34 AM

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turbid nacelle Sep 18, 2019, 11:56 AM

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Tiger 2 is broken now
Change my mind

round frost Sep 18, 2019, 11:56 AM

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Increase the credit coefficient for the IS-3, I've had good matches with over 2k damage and all I've gotten is somewhere around 6k credits

distant river Sep 18, 2019, 12:02 PM

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@round frost If you expect to make credits in a tech tree tier 8 doing 2k damage you need to seriously re-evaluate your expectations

round frost Sep 18, 2019, 12:06 PM

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Blame wargaming for making a video saying tier 8s are great credit farmers

quick lichen Sep 18, 2019, 12:12 PM

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But they are

round sundial Sep 18, 2019, 12:23 PM

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But not tech tree tanks, only premiums

noble siren Sep 18, 2019, 1:40 PM

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@turbid nacelle they overdid it on the lower plate I agree for me the 120mm there were not bad I will agree with nerf on the lower plate back to 120

unique scaffold Sep 18, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Tiger II lower plate seems op, IS-3 BL-9 AP can’t pen

iron lynx Sep 18, 2019, 2:33 PM

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The lower plate has the same thickness as the upper plate

nimble zodiac Sep 18, 2019, 2:40 PM

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Maybe change the cupola a but if they don’t wanna nerf the hull again

formal vale Sep 18, 2019, 2:47 PM

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Small summary of what WG needs to change:

Tier 9 and 10 Italians need proper auto-reloaders like the tier 8.
Tier 8 Italian tank needs a small speed nerf.
Tiger II needs a lower plate nerf (possibly also those 100mm side plates).

noble siren Sep 18, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Everything on the Tiger ll is good but they need to nerf the lower plate to 130 or 140

unique scaffold Sep 18, 2019, 3:33 PM

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@boreal cobalt English only please

sleek vault Sep 18, 2019, 4:26 PM

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at this rate when that E75 TS and that Vulcan released the only balanced tier are 1-4
things could break balance so yeah perhaps i would seal clubbing instead since hey no new player mean nothing for me anyway

you gonna appreciate the Tiger 2 buff when that coming btw just saying

formal vale Sep 18, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Is this soon to be the age of the German Heavy Tank drivers? 🤔

stable flint Sep 18, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Who knows

unique scaffold Sep 18, 2019, 5:32 PM

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I honestly think that the tiger 2 has too much frontal armor, and that it’s going to be changed and be reverted back to the older version

quick lichen Sep 18, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Anything that breaks up the is spam is a good change

formal vale Sep 18, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Pretty sure they'll just put the lower plate back to 120mm and the sides back to 80mm if they were to nerf it. It was the removal of the lower plate weakness and the addition of reliable side armor that broke the tank.

Even then, it may not get nerfed very much and become the Tiger P of tier 8 🤔

twilit crystal Sep 18, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Tiger p was broke with the gun. Tiger 2 gun Is just an average to good gun

little crest Sep 18, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Tiger II needs some nerfs in lower plate and side hull armor

crystal basin Sep 18, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Concentrate first on armor buff on tier 10 chinese td. No use of mobility buff, when u are paper as ******. Its supposed To have serious frontal, and its more like a joke. Just saying

nimble zodiac Sep 18, 2019, 6:07 PM

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It’s strong to me, I guess I’m a nub

little crest Sep 18, 2019, 6:14 PM

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No, you’re not being a nub against it, it’s the tank that’s toooooo strong.

nimble zodiac Sep 18, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Well the X WZ TD, not Tiger II, now that thing is strong by default

crystal basin Sep 18, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Yeah, its strong against some tier9's. But all tier 10s goes trough like knife in butter.

iron hearth Sep 18, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Dont worry guys the tiger 2 will be nerfed and a premium crate tank the E75 TS will take his place, hope you all will be happy with that 🙄

heady stag Sep 18, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Yeah that E75'll make everyone forget about the Tiger 2.

indigo knot Sep 18, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Tiger 2 will only get lower plate nerf....might not even get that(hopefully)
Its will break IS tanks spam(as raik said)
Though 252u drivers will be feeling salty

twin egret Sep 18, 2019, 10:47 PM

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why would wargaming even buff lower plate of tiger 2
it's now stronger than the E 75's smh

little crest Sep 18, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Yeah, man. Tier 7s and tier 8s are going to have a hard time dealing against a overcooked heavy tank. Hopefully they’ll nerf side armor and lower plate by a bit

indigo knot Sep 18, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Side armour doesn't need a nerf only nerf it needs a lower plate nerf

winged barn Sep 18, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Sounds like its time for me to start rehab my tiger

twin egret Sep 18, 2019, 11:31 PM

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who pinged, also E 75 lower plate being stronger is wrong lol

hot sun Sep 18, 2019, 11:46 PM

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I'm fine with tiger buff, a tech tree tank better than its premium counter part 👀

karmic steeple Sep 19, 2019, 12:00 AM

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Just wait for people to figure it out it’ll balance itself
Don’t need wg messing with it anymore

vagrant valley Sep 19, 2019, 12:27 AM

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Anyone else think is3 needs a buff

arctic sluice Sep 19, 2019, 2:03 AM

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@vagrant valley it's pretty fine

And..if it needs buff what to buff...?
I think IS6 needs turret buff

vagrant valley Sep 19, 2019, 2:04 AM

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@arctic sluice the is needs a gun pen buff its hard with it cus you cant pen almost anything with the 7 and t 8 gun

karmic steeple Sep 19, 2019, 2:24 AM

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Is6 is more than fine rn
Is5 needs it more than the is6

flat bane Sep 19, 2019, 2:39 AM

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Is6 does need a buff tbh

quartz crown Sep 19, 2019, 3:53 AM

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tiger be lookin very strong

little crest Sep 19, 2019, 4:40 AM

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Oh it really is. I agree, it needs a bit buff @vagrant valley

brazen monolith Sep 19, 2019, 4:59 AM

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Anyone thinks Is-7 needs a buff to like it was back in the day where no one could pen it

thick rover Sep 19, 2019, 5:01 AM

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It wasn't nerfed was ir

flat bane Sep 19, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Iry

grave isle Sep 19, 2019, 5:19 AM

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Anyone herd about the obj907?

flat bane Sep 19, 2019, 5:22 AM

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What about it

jaunty birch Sep 19, 2019, 5:28 AM

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Pantera is OP

iron lynx Sep 19, 2019, 5:41 AM

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We seem to have players stating the Pantera is useless and OP at the same time

grave isle Sep 19, 2019, 5:42 AM

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I’d enjoy seeing the obj907 as clan reward or something. Looks nice performs nice and I heard it was even in the game files a while ago.

twin egret Sep 19, 2019, 6:17 AM

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it was, there's some very old pics of it, back when old tutorial map was still being used

formal vale Sep 19, 2019, 6:51 AM

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@grave isle you have to keep in mind that the 907 is a Clan WARS reward tank in PC. Imo it should remain that way if it were to come into Blitz. Also keep in mind it would probably only be available for tier 10 clan wars. I wouldn't expect, nor do I hope that, the 907 would become available to the majority of Blitz players as the IS-5 has. It really has to remain special in order for the matchmaker to not break.

grave isle Sep 19, 2019, 6:58 AM

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@formal vale I do not see any fair point here. It doesn’t have to be op and that way it wouldn’t brake the MM. I’ m also fine for it being special. It doesn’t have to be for CW it could be for extra clan supplies levels for example or something else IDK. Thoughts I do kinda get what you saying...please share you thoughts and opinions.

formal vale Sep 19, 2019, 7:08 AM

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The reason I would rather see it remain a CW reward tank and not a Clan Supply Level tank is that anyone and everyone would be able to get a tier 10 tank for next to nothing if it were made available through clan supply. I don't know if you've noticed the current state of the game, but the most prominent issues at tier 10 right now are noobs in high tier premiums and the Foch 155. I'd rather not have 2-3 Obj 907s who dont know what theyre doing on each team running around at tier 10. I can deal with it happening at tier 8 in the IS-5 because tier 8 is nothing but a credit-grinding tier and the IS-5 is really forgiving. Anyone and everyone should be able to make credits somewhere, but tier 10 is not that place. Not to mention you have to have some level of skill to know how to properly play the 907. Tier 10, ideally, would be for the most experienced players, but, unfortunately, that isn't the case with all of the new premium tier 10 tanks coming out and making a tank like the 907 available to everyone would just fuel this issue. @grave isle

noble siren Sep 19, 2019, 7:50 AM

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I think it would be better to be a reward from hard missions campaign which only players with good knowledge of the game can complete. You should be able to start the campaign whenever you want and finish it the same way. Better than selling everything in containers or making events for no-life players.

unreal oxide Sep 19, 2019, 8:04 AM

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^ this

grave isle Sep 19, 2019, 8:04 AM

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@noble siren @formal vale I agree it should be hard to acquire as I do not want everyone to have it. I want it to be rare anyway....and I think I should be a special reward, I was just giving an example by saying clan supplies but it could be something else. Hans I also agree with your idea of campaign however. It should be a really hard one because otherwise it would only be a matter of time before « poorly skilled » players get their hand on it.

iron hearth Sep 19, 2019, 8:07 AM

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Or maybe just add it to crates, ao only the ones who are willing to spend a lot of money can have it

noble siren Sep 19, 2019, 8:14 AM

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Making it a creat tank is the most stupid idea because the P2W noobs will buy it as fast as possible. The logic in my idea is that people who understand the game will get it, and if you want to get the tank and you're bad at the game the only way to get it is to become better. People in order to get the tank will improve their skills and will start to get good at the game and understand better its mechanics. That's why this campaign of missions should has no limited time to complete. I think it's a good idea and help everyone.

indigo knot Sep 19, 2019, 8:30 AM

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I would be fine with any of those campaigns and clan supply tank.....those who have reached clan supply level 10 have somewhat decent game mechanics knowledge so I am fine even if it comes as a clan supply tank.....
The campaigns on PC we see are also luck based (like bounce 5k damage and do 6k damage) so I would prefer it to be clan supply rewards tank

scenic portal Sep 19, 2019, 8:31 AM

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No one even played the tiger 2 as much as all the stupid premos running around at tier 8.. The British got mad games consumables atop of that. And the tiger 2 was a op tank during its short serves, but in blitz it was under rated since the start.. Tiger 2 tank should be able to keep up with the bias going about..

distant river Sep 19, 2019, 8:46 AM

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@indigo knot Getting to supply level 10 is easy. It takes no skill and most people do not have knowledge of the game. Bouncing 5k and doing 6k damage is slightly luck based but it cannot happen if you have no skill. The idea is to reward good players with something unique.

indigo knot Sep 19, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Lets take it from the perspective of a normal players .....they play for fun when they are getting breaks or have time to kill or holiday .......
Wot PC is whole different issue ....they make campaigns which are long and difficult to complete which takes so many hours, luck and yes skill but also a variety of tanks.....so do you think it will be possible for someone who is even a 70%er but as only E100 in a garage to do the mission.....now he needs a medium tank, a light tank, a tank destroyer to complete mission if it is like in PC he has to grind new lines(he didn't wanted to) for the reward or simply give up the mission .....but somehow he wanted the tank but is not able to get it
Don't compare PC with Blitz....both are different.....if those campaigns are made they will be like normal missions or endless grind coz campaigns are not possible for Blitz atleast for half of the community due to there work schedules and less variety of tanks

grave isle Sep 19, 2019, 9:15 AM

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@indigo knot i agree with you, otherwise we would need some kind of « soft » campaign with small rewards but at the top of the stuff the obj907. So average players gg some stuff out of it. And unicum get a unique tank. The question is really what kind of Russian medium should the obj907 be if it evens makes it into the game. And should it be as a campaign reward. For me at least it has to be some kind of reward tank that is complicated to get. That’s just imho thoughts.

deft owl Sep 19, 2019, 12:22 PM

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Pantera is literally a better panther 2.

formal vale Sep 19, 2019, 3:28 PM

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@grave isle yeah I could see that being a good alternative, but I think they could just add the Obj. 260 at that point :/

unique scaffold Sep 19, 2019, 4:21 PM

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I dont have an IS-7 but there is a problem with armor. At tier X when I saw it, try to take Ammo. Because this tank have a possibility. I think, it need a buff for armor

raw flame Sep 19, 2019, 4:22 PM

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New line is very fun to play

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raw flame Sep 19, 2019, 4:44 PM

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should maybe nerf it a bit

drifting depot Sep 19, 2019, 4:55 PM

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Just 3 numbers 2 words: 350 alpha autoreloaders; bruh kk í guess 1 number 3 digits

distant river Sep 19, 2019, 4:55 PM

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(technically 1 number 3 digits)

worthy finch Sep 19, 2019, 5:03 PM

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I have a ammo rack tank 😩 IS-7 can blow with body armor front lines or directly sides. I’m watching the tournaments for a long time at your streams and there is always IS-4 😂

grave isle Sep 19, 2019, 6:04 PM

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@formal vale yeah but the obj907 would be nice too! 😊

jade cargoBOT Sep 19, 2019, 7:25 PM

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dynoSuccess MIT4RKA56#1275 has been warned.

frosty mural Sep 19, 2019, 7:36 PM

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WG should totally nerf tiger II. i cant even pen him with apcr with VIII gun. I mean he is completly red

nimble zodiac Sep 19, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Tiger II is a T34’s turret now, in both the turret and the hull 😂

brazen monolith Sep 19, 2019, 8:31 PM

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@frosty mural then get behind the tiger. People need to stop complaining how hard it is to pen front. Like get at its sides or rear

frosty mural Sep 19, 2019, 8:33 PM

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@brazen monolith i would do it but when i am playing on t32 its kind oéf imposible

unique scaffold Sep 19, 2019, 8:59 PM

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Tiger 2 is actually ok, I played agaist it and its quite hard now, thats fantastic

drifting depot Sep 19, 2019, 9:10 PM

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I feel like the upper plate of the hull should stay as it is but at least make the lower plate somehow pennable lul

unique scaffold Sep 19, 2019, 10:59 PM

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What is meta currently?

tawny sail Sep 19, 2019, 11:03 PM

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Speed

karmic steeple Sep 20, 2019, 12:14 AM

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Smasher

ruby monolith Sep 20, 2019, 12:28 AM

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Tiger II is honestly a little much rn I agree that lower plate should be a little less than upper plate I think it could handle it fine because the lower plate is actually kinda small (or at least smaller than e75

jagged tendon Sep 20, 2019, 12:55 AM

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The tier 8 t44 Russian med is long overdue for a buff Please wargaming work on this. It is my fave tank in game

indigo knot Sep 20, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Well T44 has been consistently in top 3 in the charts so I doubt it will be buffed.....

drifting depot Sep 20, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Welp it's either that you haven't maxed it out yet, you just gotta git gud or you still need to familiarize with a new tank because I would even say is nearly op

unique scaffold Sep 20, 2019, 1:59 AM

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Ok, thank lord for that Tiger 2 buff. I hadn’t sold it for the historical factor of it, and now it has an actually reason to exist. Something tells me it’s gonna get nerfed really soon tho.

umbral hound Sep 20, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Probably. I think it is pretty solid where it is at. The lower plate or side could probably get a little nerf and it would be ok. Overall though pretty solid buff.

iron lynx Sep 20, 2019, 2:02 AM

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Lower plate does need a nerf, maybe 10mm or 20mm thinner than it is now

next lantern Sep 20, 2019, 2:57 AM

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WG, could you think about buffing ALL cupolas on all the tanks that have them? I have a mauschen and my enemies are always shooting the cupola. It’s very frustrating. I also have an st1 and a chieftain mk 6 and those are also targets off my opponents. Why just buff cupolas on the Foch and 59 Patton when there are many other tanks that have weak cupolas?

drifting depot Sep 20, 2019, 3:04 AM

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Well there lil' fella there's been some peeps also complaining about the cupolas or hatches or as ya wanna call them and WHY does no one realize hatches are supposed to be a weak spot in almost every tank

next lantern Sep 20, 2019, 3:15 AM

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I want to know why just two vehicles hatches were buffed recently. I’m having a very hard time dealing with Foch 155s in my e100 and is7. Using premium ammo doesn’t help and even if my team wins ie(carries me) it can sometimes cost as much as 50 to 75k in silver. That reminds me can WG do something about tier 9 and 10 credit coefficients? Why does it cost so much I’m trying to leave tiers 1-8 and this is not helping.

unique scaffold Sep 20, 2019, 3:25 AM

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U should be able shoot through Foch155 with premium ammo easily, especially with E100.
And keep that tank and turret dancing. It's not easy to hit the cupola if u keep on rocking 🤔 @next lantern

next lantern Sep 20, 2019, 3:35 AM

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With AP the Foch looks like a tomato while using premium ammo is too expensive with too little damage and now the Foch has two shells I give 400 damage and receive 1200 or more in return plus it’s almost impossible to angle and wiggle to four different guns at the same time.

unique scaffold Sep 20, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Then shoot lower plate or top level of track. Improve and inspect mate, and as @drifting depot said. Hatch is supposed to be a weak spot. Foch has paper sides, top of the track and that long distance meter on the roof

next lantern Sep 20, 2019, 3:45 AM

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Ok I’ll try that so far I have 289 battles 136wins 153losses 48%wins 53% losses 30% survival rate avg damage is just 1414

drifting depot Sep 20, 2019, 3:54 AM

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I still think the foch 155's autoloader is kinda screwed up, maybe remove it and make the normal gun like the one on the obj 268 or something tho, it would be pretty nice having that extra armor and avg speed in comparison to the obj that's for sure cuz without the autoloader it would need a little buff and with it it's completely broken so either that or reduce alpha to 560 like with the t49 and kpfz

uncut osprey Sep 20, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Foch needs either a damage or armor nerf, its kinda broken at the moment, doesnt have to be big nerf maybe drop damage to 560 and armor down 5-10 mm