My amx 40 duck armor very nerfed pls wargaming next uptate back the collector low tier tanks and i played with amx40 and matchmaker only drop me 1 tier IV 6 tier V matches
#tank-balance-discussion
stone ocean
unique scaffold
These Boosters of the Brits are too OP
noble siren
@unique scaffold Good morning!!!
wind flower
Irl FV4202 had 20 pounder though @twin egret
twin egret
@wind flower yes ik, placeholder
nimble zodiac
@stone ocean nah, just sidescrape in the AMX 40, don’t show your front at all. If duck needs a buff, reduce the reload time or increase penetration cause lordy that gun is bad. And @velvet scarab I wouldn’t consider it a secret nerf, even if it wasn’t announced then it would be plausible that it got nerfed with all the other tanks
stone ocean
European tanks and new consumables provisions is BAD IDEA
unique scaffold
European tanks are fine it’s the consumables that are not ok^
noble siren
It's sad how WG ruin their own game...
acoustic shard
No the Tanks and the New Consumable's are both op
unique scaffold
Bruh moment ^
flat bane
The tanks op? Bruh how
nimble zodiac
They don’t exist yet unless it’s through testing. They seem balanced in Blitz Hangar
full token
How do you know the tanks are op when you don’t have the final stats for any of them? They may be op on live server or on open test, but the stats can always change before they’re released
noble siren
When will they nerf Dracula so there won''t be people with 10k battles in it and pretend they are "pros"?
flat bane
Lol
gentle zealot
Lmaoo your right @noble siren
dim field
When they have 10k battles in a Drac but try to tell you how to play a tank class they have 10 battles in
outer hawk
Nerf ARL to abyss
grizzled sleet
T57 is garbo
distant river
It is worse than average. It has good points but many more bad points.
Love how @wet quail reacts here quite often but never makes any points of his own 🤦
unique scaffold
Français ??
full token
English only
acoustic shard
The Drac better not ever get nerfed. I paid to much for it for that to ever happen to it......
karmic steeple
You paid for a unique tank not an op machine. Or at least that’s how it should be
teal olive
Drac needs toned down a bit. Helsing needs outright nerf hammered
unique scaffold
Drac is power creeped or fine as it is
round sundial
Then what is CDC if drac is fine?
wet quail
A good tank? As it faces tier 8 constantly has worst power to weight and faces tier 9
unique scaffold
Helsing better
round sundial
What were you trynna say archieb?
tired sky
Great Job WG! Nice to have another freaking OP Russian Medium. Thanks
smoky yoke
@tired sky what tank thou? @round sundial CDC is basic as any tier 8 medium and light didnt increase or decrease my 69% average win-rate in that tier
unique scaffold
@distant river T57 worse than average? Clearly shows you have no idea what you are talking about. 😃
distant river
I dont know if this is supposed to be ironic or you just cant read a simple chart 🤷
round sundial
I was talking about comparison of CDC w/ dracula. Tier for tier it's undebatable, but it gets funny when you compare them directly. Drac may even be better off
wraith lance
@distant river The charts WG provides are player performance, not vehicle stats. The charts say people perform better on the Tiger II than on the Löwe but we know Löwe is better stats wise
distant river
The charts provide good players performance in tanks. If a tank is good, then it has good stats on the charts. If it is not, then it does not have good stats. It a tank has the lowest WR of all tier 10 heavies, then it is not a good tank
supple thistle
That more depends on how low the WR really is, no?
azure tiger
Nerf Chrysler K mobility, the armor is too good for this mobility
fiery flame
The gun is bad tho
twin egret
armor is bad when face hugging it, if you have high pen permium
deft owl
@unique scaffolda Which tank exactly powercreeped dracula?
@twin egret Thats not true. You need almost 250 pen to go through that upper plate.
unique scaffold
Literally everything else beats it in gun accuracy .318 with max equipment to bring it down is not good
deft owl
@unique scaffold So you are telling Dracula is powercreeped by everything because it has mediocre base accuracy? I want the thing you drank.
Your opinion is nothing but "Dont nerf my op tank" opinion.
unique scaffold
The majority of the tier VII heavies were buffed because of the Helsing and Dracula. The meta was adjusted to ninja nerf those two tanks (and others). I really don't see any additional nerfs as necessary.
dim field
^
Plus people got used to dealing with them as time went on. Familiarity and experience is the easiest way for the players to nerf a tank.
deft owl
According to blitzstars Dracula has 61.54 overall winrate while Smasher has 61.95. Im failed to see how Smasher is Op af while dracula is balanced.
twilit crystal
Because stats are skewed
smoky yoke
More on who is playing the tank. If I play the drac I am sure I can pull off a 70-80% win-rate constantly if I want to grind credits.
twin egret
@deft owl look back at what i said, i said "if you have high pen premium"
drifting depot
I mean, the only problems with the drac are it's accuracy with such a speed wiiiiiiiich of course make it op as hell insert deja vu since it's gonna dodge shots 24/7 and about the smasher, too much damage for such a low reload high armor and such good pen compared to other 152mm at the tier like, it has the pretty much the same reload as the su-152 an almost unarmored td WITH NO TURRET guess y'all get the point, also I think it has more pen than the su 152 not sure
full dew
How can you say the t57 is not below average? Calling it that is a compliment for it for a tank with mediocre speed,absolutely god awful camo values, bad dpm(worse than 50 b), easy to pen in the turret and lower plate, nonexistant side armour, ammoracked 1/2 battles, caught on fire 1/3 battles and I could go on much longer @unique scaffold
Only thing it has going for it is the nice 1200 dmg in 5 seconds but in those 5 seconds you're losing more hp than you're damaging
distant river
50b had speed and depression, and only losses 1 sec intraclip
cunning kindle
50B can get HE'ed very ezily
50B cant peek without taking an ungodly amount of dmg
50B is tall af
Even tho i prefer 50B over 57 just coz of the mobility i still think 57 isnt soooo bad that it shud get a buff or anything
So ur point is 50B "never" has to peek in front of large grps, u say that like the enemy tds behind the bush r spotted at all times @distant river
distant river
50b doesn't have to peek at large groups because it has the mobility to take other positions
crude pumice
autoloaders don't need any buff.
they got fire power in exchange for defensive power.
but foch 155, you're unacceptable.
frank urchin
Why?
crude pumice
if the autoloader tank have good frontal hull, it can shoot and deal dmg aggressive.
after shot, they can hide and reload without risk of hit.
its cause of steamroll game. shoot twice and deal 1200 dmg, go hide, left enemy kill by other team and on... and on...
foch is one of that. it can hit fast med and light without be hit from them.
foch has good fast movespeed. and frontal can ricochet almost AP. it's means cut 15% dmg from others.
it's enough defensive.
i can't understand why WG buff more foch's defensive power without exchange parameter.
mental nymph
Wg can u keep the quick tournament time in the morning instead of afternoon. I m on eu
thick rover
noble siren
Correct me if I'm wrong, but have anyonene said that Dracula is "BALANCED"?!?
ivory fractal
Me, my stats back it up 😂
thick rover
Woah HAHA
unique scaffold
50B is just paper, you have to be very lucky to get to your damage. It’s very relying on teams, can’t carry like a T-57, who bounces shots from a 183 on the turret. I am just saying, the T-57 is much more reliable, easier to drive and more fun. 50B needs some high skill to make points for his/her team. Ofc the 50B has better mobility, but 0 armor. And that makes it a bad tank in my opinion. The only good armored part is the plate in the front and I am sure nobody shoots there, if you see that huge grey turret. Also, the 50B can be ammoreck so easy, not like the T57 where you have to be very lucky. Bad protected engine, fuel and ammo —> 50B. T-57 also has the better gun, more pen, more accuracy in long distance, but longer reload. But I am sure that longer reload of idk 2 seconds makes up with the OG tank in comparison to a 50B. So to all the new players, get the T-57 first before you try the French line. But one thing I have to say, the Tier 6-8 of the French Heavies are amazing in contrast to the Americans. All my opinion, all can be - or +.
frigid sky
Both t57 and 50b are well balanced ,+ they have both just had minor buffs .
full dew
"very lucky" what the hell I have days in which I get racked(not critical, but still annoying to reload in 40 sec) 10/15 battles today I had a battle in which I ammorekt a guy in a t57 and got criticaled 2 times
grizzled sleet
50b just needs more braincells to know where you can and cannot go because of its rather large size
unique scaffold
The large size puts it’s self in the negatives. Look. You can not self carry a game with a 50B. Ur dead end enemy is mostly TD camping in their bloody spots. (183/JG). In comparison to a T-57 the 50B has mostly no chance to escape these cannons. Even tho it’s fast , speed is amazing for a heavy, TDs pen you easy HE front / side / heck. It’s just a fact which makes the tank not that useful. You have to be lucky with MM, teams and ofc with urself. You can’t do these IS-7 yolo moves or even more the 263. You have to play careful, know your positions, knowingly where the meds go and TDs stand. It’s a 3 in 1 job. You are the chicken for their dinner, as I say it. Very , very hard tank to play and not good for beginners. You have to be a very good player to be exact sure about the situation, going on the enemy team. Just saying, the 50B is definitely not a bad tank, but a horrible tank compared to a T-57, and that is referring to new players. Cheers!
worthy cradle
Btw, you can actually use 50b's "armor" (front plate). You use it to bait a shot and make them bounce off it when poking around a building then you clip them and get back into cover (but u still need teammates supporting u so that they don't push u)
indigo knot
50b is better than T57...and armour is not important in autoloaders....its simple...why do you need armour in autoloaders when you have other meat shields to tank shots and the you clip reds after they have fired ......you trade 3 for 0 or 3 for 1 in an autoloader.....and 50b mobility can be used to push a flank which in T57 it is not possible
grizzled sleet
^
full token
50B has a bit of a troll turret too
unique scaffold
Troll turret? Jeez i never bounced on that with any tank, but ok.
latent wyvern
Well, I've bounced on that turret with my E100 a few times lol
unique scaffold
@latent wyvern That’s sad
latent wyvern
E100 is not a sniper. In addition 50B has some minor troll spots on the turret
remote oriole
I just generally want to point out that all tanks in the game are more or less in an acceptable balanced state, and while some are tending strongly towards being underpowered or overpowered most of those still have a role and thus it is possible to effectively use them.
Much of the unbalance also comes from the variety of vehicles, which is only natural because some vehicles are just worse in more common game situations. However, it is possible that some tanks excel at more than one standard situation and are fairly average at the rest as well, which would cause them to be overpowered.
Therefore, the best way to balance such tanks is to specialise them more and lower other capabilities - this doesn#t only create more space for different tanks, but also makes sure that all tanks have their own "right to exist".
Wargaming mobile so far did a reasonably good job at creating just that, so for that I'd like to thank the developers. I also want to express my appreciation of bold moves, although I heavily criticise anything that goes wrong with them, but mostly with the best intentions for the game in mind. I really love new unconventional content, but am also always concerned about the balance of the game, the economy and that newer and average or below average players are not considered. Nevertheless, thank you for the game(s).
twilit crystal
armor would be good in autoloaders, unreliable armor that the t57 heavy has is not good
unique scaffold
Don’t forget that while not every HE shell will pen the 50B, it still attracts LOTS of them, which always damage the modules, so you often get left with no repair kits in hand. T57>50B
humble olive
About the new high tier Italian vehicles, while checking their characteristics on blitz hangar website, I noticed some inconsistencies in the 105mm gun on standard B:
- It has Non premium hesh ammunition that is not visible on the tier X vehicle.
- Much more important, webpage shows, that premium 105mm heat shell does only 190 damage per shot (maybe that's just a graphic issue or mistake only visible on the website, but it's quite concerning).
jolly panther
Mind if I ask, why is the new event 59-Patton better than the T95E2 in almost every aspect? They have pretty much the same gun & turret, yet the 59 gets better gun depression and way more turret armor... Now I'd expect the hulls to be different to make it more balanced in T95E2's favor, but that too is stronger on the 59! More armor, lower repair cost, higher tops speed... The only reason to play the T95E2 over the 59-Patton would be a tiny bit of camo stats
Suggestion: Leave the 59-Patton as it is, and buff the manouverability on the T95E2. I love my tanks for their differences, and making T95E2 more armored like 59-Patton might not be the greatest idea, but I'd consider buffing the speed or acceleration on the T95E2. That would give us 2 more unique tanks, one more focused on movement and one more focused on holding positions. (instead of two pretty much identical turrets & guns stapled to different shaped hulls)
deep seal
add weak spots to more tanks instead of just making prem ammo a nessassary thing to load because im tired of heat loading e100s, grilles, and the 183 with the premium hesh because. If u have to lose 100k credits to play a tank, that is stupid. And another thing is that people are using overpowered tanks just so they can have fun and make the teams less fun for the enemy (ps2j, smasher, vindacator, lupus, and other tanks). If you want to sell a tank put in the premium tank section on the tech trees instead of paying 30-70 dollars for a dam tank that u are going only use for 10 matches then let it sit there until the 1 year pop up shows up.
If you want to sell us tanks then put it in the tech tree premium slot like the is6, t34, fcm, lowe and those types of tanks or make a reward system like wot pc to earn a non chieftain-chieftain in clan wars and then for rbs make the same thing so people have something to keep playing the game.
Also fix the match maker because its a joke do something atleast instead of making op tanks just so u can pull a 1v7 no problem. Because this match maker is a joke compared what it was last year to even the 3 teir match making spread like in wot pc.
unique scaffold
^^^^Ahh yes make every hull down heavy worthless and gold shells worthless
@deep seal so you are mad that there are op tanks that everone plays, but at the same time ppl are buying prem tanks that they aren't playing?
warm brook
I don't know if someone suggested this before or not but most of the maps released since launch almost always have the fight on medium tank flank or heavy side flank. I mean only a small area of the map gets utilized for fighting due to it being large with only 7v7 format. My suggestion is simple..... Make the format 10v10 and make the fights 3 tiers per match like it used to. This way we will increase the chance of having a more diverse fight on multiple flanks.
unique scaffold
Some one had suggested this and have been hit by the game can’t handle this @warm brook
teal olive
Why is the E5 getting Consumables, its already one of the strongest heavies
unique scaffold
@teal olive yes but actually no, it’s worse than IS-4. Turret got nerfed like 2 times. Hull is easy to pen aswell the turret. I think it’s medium good, it’s not broken or something.
noble siren
@unique scaffold E5 is as good as Is4
unique scaffold
No it’s not, in my opinion not.
rotund hornet
Do you give me tank
unique scaffold
What
full token
@humble olive The Tier 9 does indeed have 190 alpha. Not a bug in showing the stats. It deals 190 ingame too.
formal forge
In some small cases the E5 does better then the is-4 is only the gun depression (and maybe smaller lower plate idk) but is-4 is still stronger in terms in armor speed and hp. Needs the E100 an change? Idk his armor isnt very strong cuz it fulled alot of weakspots. If the turret is angeld it can be pretty strong but.... when shooting high pen prammo then is the e100 an weak target. It has one of the worst dpm (not sure but seems like) but its an 15cm gun in a heavy so neh. Do it needs an change?
teal olive
No doubt IS4 is better @unique scaffold but... its the IS4... the thing is overpowered and is better than all other heavies in the tier. That doesnt take away from the fact that the E5 is still very strong for what it is.
distant river
@full token The APs alpha is 350 and the HEATs alpha is 190, for the tier 10 it has 300 HEAT alpha. It is a mistake at some point, but I am guessing its just an incorrectly copied thing on blitzhangar.
@humble olive you probably want to read this too
full token
Yep Ik it’s 190 alpha on the HEAT. It also deals 190 alpha. Not a copying mistake on blitz hangar or where the stats show. WG might’ve given it 190 by mistake and that somehow showed everywhere else
distant river
The 105mm gun with 350 alpha AP, 400 HE and 300 HEAT the tier X would not have 190 HEAT alpha at tier 9.
exotic light
Maus need a better gun maybe if u raised the alpha little bit
full token
You can’t just increase the alpha on a gun. Certain calibers do certain dmg in the game, with some exceptions ofc
distant river
@exotic light So you want to buff a tank with the second highest WR from 55-65% players? Nice joke
exotic light
I have a mauschen and i realised that it has the same maus gun with stupid accuracy and sometimes bad alpha slow and easliy can be destroyed by usa tanks need a better gun
distant river
Do you have any sort of logic there? The alpha is fixed, and is exactly the same no matter what 🤦. The maus and mauschen are not supposed to have good guns because if how good their armour is. Often it is not the tank that needs changing, it is the player.
exotic light
Everyone know that E100 vs maus the E100 wins so my point is maus is not strong as E100 and if you see that E100 has strong armor and i think better than the maus, atleast you cant pen its face with AP and good luck hitting anything with maus gun (bad accuracy) dont forget E100 has speed but of course if you made the maus gun better most of tanks in german tech tree will be more powerful such as vk 45 and vk 72 and E75 and mauschen that uses the maus gun as main gun
fiery flame
“E100 has better armour than Maus” HA 😂
unique scaffold
“Maus always loses to the E100”
winged barn
I trash e100s all the time with my maus. I would take a maus in almost any situation over a e100
wet quail
Completely agree
distant river
@exotic light I'm just going to give you a bit of advice which is to actually look at some facts and stats before saying anything
unique scaffold
And realize the mauschen is just a downgraded maus and you haven’t even driven the real maus
twin egret
this channel 👌
acoustic shard
Will my Tankinstien ever get an DPM or ARMOR and mobility buff? It Needs all 3 A better acceleration, top speed and traverse speed would really benefit the tank As well as a 14.3 second reload for it's 130mm gun. more turret front and turret side armor. And a slight buff to it's normal ap on the 130mm gun would make the tank playable. If it could get 2 more degree's of gun depression that would be even better.
unique scaffold
^this isn’t Comedy Central
graceful garden
wILL mY aLReaDy-gOoD pREm gET a BuFF
hot sun
No no the trankenstein has been power creeped a lot in its tier. And it's not broken by a long shot lol
Imo it at least needs a better traverse speed or engine power to effectively use its armor or slight gun buffs to give it more playability. There's a reason you dont see anyone playing the darn thing. It sucks
And quite honestly I was rather disappointed in doing all that grinding for it when mad games first came out. I should've just got the gravedigger
fiery flame
Tankenstein is pretty trash now
visual nimbus
Yeah, I wouldn’t mind a bit of a touch up for it. Nothing to fancy though
flat bane
Yeah the tankenstein needs a buff
tawny sail
Tankenstien has pretty much been forgotten and left alone for too long. It's speed and traverse is just horrible for it's size. It needs at least a traverse and acceleration buff at the leasy
smoky yoke
That's old wot blitz playstyle everything has gotten faster
rose crystal
Nerf the tier X 113, my KpfPz shot the engine deck with HEAT thats like 340mm pen still didn’t go through and I was aimed down on it
unique scaffold
It has 336 max pen with callibrated shells 🙄
teal olive
Lol that’s not the WZ being OP, that’s just terrible luck on your part, mate @rose crystal
rose crystal
That should have gone through, 340mm some pen with HEAT
untold scarab
That was prob at an angle where it created an auto bounce
hot sun
I say the angle your using in armor inspector is a bit off, and how close your aiming reticle was to its upper deck you hit that instead of his front hull.
smoky yoke
A gif or short video will tell us where you shot
rose crystal
Ok 1 you cant get the angle perfect when your pi**ed and 2 idk how to do gif and the video aint sending
wind flower
Broken Black Prince. Thanks to new consumables, there is no way to challenge it in a MT or LT
twin egret
buff turret traverse on Turreted TD's tier 4-7? nerf the traverse as a way to compensate
round briar
Pz.S35 and Pz.II J must be burffed
fresh stream
in terms of?
gaunt coyote
Don't understand why peeps are saying how Foch 155 is so OP and all. Sure the clip reload is quick. But you clip so slowly. Rather plaly 50b or 4005 really. At least they got a turret and some accuracy.
Also GUN DEP.
flat bane
Bruh it's a 155mm, it does 640 per hit and 1k with HE.
cunning kindle
also a very reliable armor profile, considering how bad 50B and 4005s armor is
gaunt coyote
4005 still can clip a Grille with the 130mm just like the 155 on Foch.
Also armour is the least useful thing you can have. Just fire prammo and problem solved, Foch becomes an easy pen.
Like sure might work against inexperienced players but IMO quite easy to get rid of. Sure it could be more interesting if the full clip reload would be at 20 seconds or so, but not too keen on playing with 7.1 intra clip really. When you can pump 1380 with 4005 AP rounds in 4.2 seconds.
flat bane
Bruh, in order to do 1380 dmg with 4005 you have to make sure to aim your shots ,hit ,and pen. Sometimes you'll only have a chance to get 1 shot off, tbh I'll rather do 640 then 400. Also fochs pen is way better then amx 50s and FV4005. Also Fochs armor is still strong, even with prammo. Plus the mobility that's better then some meds and it's low profile is 👌 👌 👌
unique scaffold
@gaunt coyote the fact that you can switch to prammo and pen does not mean the armor is not as important, it'll still get less damage and so require more shots to kill. The trades will always be in favour of the 155
gaunt coyote
@flat bane you know Foch has the 2nd worse t10 td AP pen 😂 Same as 4005 🤣
Only Grille has 1mm less 👏
I'll just keep playin' my 4005
flat bane
@gaunt coyote you know 280mm of pen is more then plenty to go through almost anything 😂 👌. Plus, unlike the Fv4005, foch has 90mm of HE pen you know that Dxx
gaunt coyote
@flat bane I do know that. Yet still I find 4005 more enjoyable as a clipper tank.
flat bane
@gaunt coyote well that's just your own subjective opinion, so I won't hassle you on that. The 4005 has a nice gun, however the large profile and lack of armor doesnt suit my play style. Tbh I perfer Foch 155 because of the speed,armor, low profile, and the gun.
gaunt coyote
@flat bane Well I am weird so that might have something to do about it 😂
round sundial
You like your FV and that's fine. But if you try and look at both the tanks objectively, you have to see how much the Foch is better than FV. The cupolas need to be toned back down to the 60mm they were before. Like, explain how tanks like IS-7 are supposed to pen the Foch. The front plate is too strong even for prammo. Cupolas? The gun turret has super troll angles, the same can be said for the rangefinder, also half of the rangefinder is only a spaced armour. Also they are nearly impossible to hit for a tank like IS7, especially with Foch's mobility. Ofc most tanks eith HEAT will be able to pen the front plate. But while you are sitting there, happy you hit it for 300, he is eating your meds alive, many times with HE doing 2k dmg in 7 seconds. Tbh meds are the worst in general when facing this tank, as their prammo is not enough for the UFP and cupolas are very troll. I fail to see how you can call it balanced🤔 @gaunt coyote
gaunt coyote
Armour is just so useless IMO so that is why I find FV better😕 😕
nimble zodiac
Foch can HE better in a clip, FV can dish the clip faster and do more AP damage, both are competitive guns, Foch’s armor and short profile makes a big difference tho
compact nymph
Nerf M6A2E1 exp
stable flint
M6A2E1 EXP is easy to deal with pen the cheeks of turret or circle it ez pz... The sides are paper so no sidescraping
sacred rain
is pretty easy to shoot, is like the t34
unique scaffold
T34 is much better than the EXP. Better turret, same gun with 1 second less reload, better sides that allow for more sidescraping.
I normally don't like jumping on the bandwagon...but what you did to the Foch was too much WG. That tank needs to be dialed back a bit please.
meager spruce
@unique scaffold I am pretty sure WG won't be touching it right before or during twister as they will get a TON of hate from top clans. If the nerf comes (IF), it will be after twister.
wet quail
Wg doesn’t care about hate
unique scaffold
I mean the Foch was just a worst obj 268 Tbh
twilit crystal
Just nerf the autoloader to 20 sec and aim time dont touch anything else
round sundial
Nerf the cupolas back to 60mm like they were too, else even with 20s reload, it will simply steamroll helpless meds. Right now, the 180mm on them means you get a LOT of troll bounces on them, especially the MG turret. Also the upper part of the rangefinder is angled, so that is also trollish.
unique scaffold
@SpartacusDiablo [¡¡¡]#7879 true*
magic jasper
Creeper
fiery turtle
WG:
Back in 5.5 you nerfed the alpha damage of most low tier tanks by 33%.
Please consider putting the alpha damage back how it was, and nerf the tanks' engine horsepower by 25% instead.
New players find tanks making quick back and forward dodges hard to hit. Making all the tanks slower to accelerate from 0 kph will help them more than the reduction in alpha damage did.
mental nymph
<@&481447501690568709> can u plz add the watch ads for gold feature in the pc version of wot blitz
modern rapids
No
unique scaffold
Bruh moment
modern rapids
Because we don't work for the game
unique scaffold
@mental nymph that has zero to do with balance and we don't work for Wargaming
crimson cosmos
I’d still love to know why the 59 Patton has dramatically thicker armor than the other two Tier VIII tanks that have the same turret. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
thick rover
Hilarious
Does M48 need buff?
crude pumice
AlcatrazGuardian today 07:05
“E100 has better armour than Maus” HA 😂
🤔 🤔 🤔
I can understand why he talked that.
E100's frontal hull is simple. if in defensive, just move turret and body with same degree.
E100 dont't need seeing other point in defensive move.
but idk, it's said "better".
real zodiac
The E 100 is better armor wise IRL
flat bane
I hope that was a joke, if not then....
onyx lily
When will you remove mines from game?
quick lichen
@onyx lily #maps-discussion
topaz geyser
Never edgar chaval
grave bear
irl e100 is way better armored than Maus, since maus has literally same tiger 2 frontal effective armor, 150 basic vs 185 basic armor, but maus' front plate is less angled.
jade cargoBOT
SoggyRichTea#6350 has been warned.
noble siren
Foch should get armor and gun nerf because the second gun is obviously OP,and the armor because is stupidly strong and trollish. I think that all Tankenstein needs is buff on both guns and traverse speed because the tank is very very bad.
charred bobcat
Foch doesnt need armor nerf, ot just needs dpm nerf 😂
tired sky
How about we balance the T49 and remove the 152 gun, you know make it a proper light
distant river
T49 is balenced how it is, bad alpha, accuracy, pen, nothing that can go through slight obstacles or the ISXs side armour, awful armour. The 2 advantages it has is alpha and speed. A good player can use it, but a bad player cant. It is literally only good at hit and run, and you have to single out reds to actually survive.
tired sky
I literally just watched a t49 sit on a hill and damn near one shot a Borisg, then run away with not a scratch. You say bad accuracy, i will miss time again, but for the majority its going to hit and HE for at least 2-300. For a light tank that is not balanced
jade cargoBOT
drmoore645#0102 has been warned.
unique scaffold
It has horrible gun handling and even worse accuracy with a long reload. If it over extends or misses its shot it is a easy kill. The T49 is fine as it is.
First off the gun is badly inaccurate second the type of gun it used is common the more your hovered in on them fire and it will hit
distant river
Lmao any 152 can almost 1 shot a borsig. If the T49 didnt get shot then it is because he has slight intelligence and your teammates dont. 2-300 dmg every 17 sec is not balenced. 0.453 base dispersion is awful. Again it has bad pen and no AP or APCR. It is balenced
indigo knot
I have only one issue that Kpf70 has 640 He alpha while T49 has 700....buff kpf70 He too 700 and bit of gun depression to like 8 deg
unique scaffold
God forbid you are trying to shoot a target with a fence post between you and it. Watch your HE or HEAT round hit it and detonate early.
@tired sky 200-300 every 15 seconds... While the RU can do that every 5 seconds. Looks pretty balanced to me ¯_(ツ)_/¯
tired sky
Whatever...its not balanced. No light tank should be able to run around and pump 152mm he into the back side of a heavy. But again, everyone loves the little lights and mediums.
unique scaffold
If the heavy is getting 500 alpha shot into his rear it is because he did something wrong.
I just posted stats that show why the the tank is balanced when compared to its peers. Your response is "whatever". You'll need to do better than that here.
nimble zodiac
Not even qualified as a 152mm, it’s not that intimidating as one
unique scaffold
T49 has worse accuracy, reload, dpm, pen, and gun handling than its peers. Alpha is the only thing it has going for it...and you say it needs a nerf.
crystal spoke
Dont forget the economic side of it its expensive as all get out to play
tired sky
Your stats are flawed. You are measuring dpm, not single shot damage. In game, not some training room. Real games, if I am engaged with targets to my front in a heavy, and a normal light, RU, Lightweight, i may take 2-300 but i can react not for a 49, oh and god forbid i am in a american heavy. Then its full roll HE.... but i know its “balanced”.....funny u say that “Alpha” is the only going for it, but I see know one standing up for 183, so ur “alpha is the only going for it” is a mute point
unique scaffold
I showed all of the stats for the gun.
The 183 isn't the same thing... Not even close. Getting plugged for 1300 dmg through the front of your tank at the start of the match is not the same as over extending and getting derped in the rear by a T49.
Try again.
If you are routinely getting derped in the rear from a T49 it is because you are doing something wrong. Either you are over extending and presenting your sides or rear to the tank or your team is moving as a lemming train and you have given up map control.
The T49 is fine as is.
nimble zodiac
If you nerf the damage of the T49 then it loses its niche, it’ll become basically useless if used competitively disregarding a grind
unique scaffold
Keeping in mind it already has nerfed damage when compared to other 152mm guns.
full token
T49 doesn’t even have proper 150mm alpha
unique scaffold
The T49 excels at punishing mistakes. I can understand why some players don't like it.
distant river
T49 actually rewards agressive gameplay and pushing, which is what blitz is about. It seems like you dont like it when you get shot when near the back. That means there is an issue with your gameplay style, not with the T49. The tank is unique, but well balenced. It has advantages but also severe disadvantages. If you dont like peoppe moving then i suggest you change games.
tired sky
First of all my game play is fine, i dont camp I prefer heavies on the front. I have seen T49s wreck a flank. It tag a another tank for 500 and scamper off and allow the other meds/light finish it up, hide, and do the same thing over again. A tank should not have that influence on a battle. All the other lights, have 100/90 mm canons, t49 should be no different.
nimble zodiac
Then it’s your teammates as mediums being bad mediums, this is a team game after all. Also you said “A tank should not have that influence” after you give an example of multiple doing a strategy... if T49 was no different then it would be easily outperformed by the rest, commonly RU 251
unique scaffold
Because having all tanks the same is really fun 🙄.
If your flank is getting wrecked by a T49 it is because your team did something wrong.
jade cargoBOT
drmoore645#0102 has been warned.
quick lichen
T49 actually needs some intelligence to actually live and do well
It doesn’t get an ap to farm against is tanks
You have to settle with doing 2-300 to most tanks that you can’t pen and even when you do he pen, it’s 780. Not 960
Heat shells hit for 560. Not 640
It’s not completely a skill tank but you need a brain to consistently do well
distant river
KV2 and 183 promote camping and stagnant gameplay, T49 forces you to move and protect your flank. KV2 has higher alpha than T49 2 tiers lower anyway but hey. If a T49 is flanking and trading alpha then it is a smart player. A smart red will counter that by chasing it and forcing it into a dpm battle.
@quick lichen T49 has 780 HE alpha according to blitzstars but i remembered it differently too, will check up a bit more on it
Yep it is 780 alpha
quick lichen
Even worse if correct
That actually makes sense since a max roll is 975
You can’t brawl in the t49. Every other light or medium tank that yolos you has a pretty good chance to kill you if you don’t he pen both shots
unique scaffold
The t49 honestly promotes your tactical practicality better than most in the all lights not an easy vehicle it does mayhem InThe actual right hands
quick lichen
Well yeah. It’s a light tank with a big gun
nimble zodiac
Track their gun’s aim, track their reload, track their movement, track their teammates, track the T49, track the T49, and then kill him to proceed murdering meds.
quick lichen
It’s easy to counter a bad t49 player
scarlet frigate
113 needs a credit slight buff with regards to vehicle repairs and foch tier x needs an armor nerf on the sides to make up for it's incredible frontal armor and speed
quick lichen
You shouldn’t be concerned with credits in tier x
torpid birch
maybe i should if i just lost 50k XD
quick lichen
Then play tier 7-8
scarlet frigate
Yes, however it's just way below average for only vehicle repair costs - I know that credits for tier x are not something to worry about and that tier 7 - 8 is where the credit %'s are high. And what about the foch? I think reducing side armor will make it balanced - Don't need to change anything else about it.
torpid birch
e100 doesnt even cost me half that with it's expensive ammo, i understand your not supposed to make credit at t10, but its a bit extreme in the 113 case. I do drop to low tiers to make cred, but like come on man, lose 4k in e100, lose 50k in 113
quick lichen
The Foch is already he pennable to more higher caliber he shells
nimble zodiac
Low down on the provisions and camo, and prammo if used
distant river
@scarlet frigate the side armour is weak anyway. The issue is that it has alpha, dpm, a 2 shot clip, speed and front armor in one tank. The clipper should never have been added.
The balence is comparable to what would happen if the SP1C had great front armour and a dpm buff. Think about how balenced that would be. The foch doesnt have a turret but it has alpha instead so the comparison is about as good as you can get.
crystal spoke
@neat harbor you'll have better luck in #clan-recruitment
neat harbor
Thanks
fiery turtle
T49 is OP at Tier VIII. Take away its 152 mm gun.
Then bring in the Sheridan to Blitz as a new Tier IX light with the 152 mm gun.
That way people will still have a 'derp light' to play with - but it will be 1 tier higher and having to fight Tier X opponents, making it balanced.
Even better - give the new Tier IX Sheridan homing missiles to play with, like the old T49 ATM. (Providing the PC autoaim cheat mode issue on the missiles can be solved, that is - the missiles have to work the same way on all devices.)
quick lichen
Take away the only reason to play the t49
Brings tier 10 American light into blitz and make it a tier 9
modern rapids
T49 is not OP
wise dirge
^
quick lichen
Logic 404 not found
Also. Call of duty called and they want their guided missiles back
distant river
@fiery turtle why is T49 OP? Please explain it with facts.
modern rapids
Saying T49 is OP then asks to add the T49A missile to a sheridan
versed fable
talking about derp tanks, we could use the centurion avre in blitz
quick lichen
I think you mean centurion action x
olive hawk
@fiery turtle 🐒
fiery turtle
@distant river : Full health T49 versus full Sturer Emil. Does the Sturer Emil stand any chance whatsoever? No it doesn't.
Full health T49 versus full health AMX 13. Does the AMX 13 stand any chance at all? No it doesn't.
frigid sky
Comparing tier 8 vs tier 7 ..... what do u expect?
The t49 good aspect in high Alfa ,light tank camo status and speed, against that it has bad aim time,no pen,dispersion,horrible reload no armor, mediocre dpm...this makes the tank fun 2 play but in no way op.
distant river
Full health tier 8 vs full health tier 7. Does the tier 7 stand any chance whatsoever? No it doesnt. 🤦
Full heath tier 9 vs full health T49. D9es the T49 stand any chance? No it doesn't.
unique scaffold
So, has anyone noticed the the superpershing has gone to crap?
@fiery turtle t49 is equipped with 152mm troll gun , it is supposed to be effective against unarmoured tanks and TDs , and ineffective against well admired ones
fiery turtle
@unique scaffold : A heavy tank KV-2 with a huge derp gun against a slow, lumbering Sturer Emil - that's one thing. A fast light tank with a huge derp gun against a slow, lumbering Sturer Emil - that's something completely different!
At least the Borsig and Waffentrager auf Pz. IV have turrets and therefore a good way to defend themselves against lights. The Sturer Emil gets to fire one shot at a light tank, and that's it - game over.
unique scaffold
@Wargaming, hear my call. The superpershing really needs that extra plate from the PC as it is being pitted against tier 9s. Apart from that please consider buffing one part of the tank such as aim time, speed, traverse speed, possibly even more armor.
As I play the tank, I see that it is really uncompetitive compared to other non premium tanks in the same tier. Please respond with an @mention. Thank you.
frigid sky
So u won’t a buff for the Emil? What’s that got to do with t49 ,any tier 8 (and7) can out dpm Emil with HE
unique scaffold
Uhh dude don’t ping wargaming for that they don’t respond and that is a possible ban from here
full token
He failed to ping them
crystal spoke
Ya know I'd actually love to see the churchill Avre or the other avres. And the super persh is ok it's still got decent armour but people have learned how to deal with it and where to aim
stoic pebble
Superpershing is honestly fine as it is. It's perfectly capable of bullying many same tier and basically every lower tier opponent. It's not supposed to be a vehicle with an impenetrable front plate. If it had that combined with the current mobility, it would honestly be kind of broken. Against T9s, you can just use gold. The upper plate can bounce reliably if you are using gun depression.
distant river
@fiery turtle again it seems like you missed the point. You can compare any tank against tanks a tier lower and say it can take it out. However you can also do the opposite. For balence you compare a tank against its own tier only.
fiery turtle
@frigid sky : Actually, what I really want is the Sturer Emil and Nashorn swapped over. Sturer Emil with a weaker engine and 1 less shot per minute at Tier VI - Nashorn with a PzKpfw IVG's top engine and the rate of fire of a stock Jagdtiger 8,8 at Tier VII.
A Tier VII Nashorn would have the speed and hull traverse to keep the gun pointing at a fast light - something the Sturer Emil can't do.
unique scaffold
@fiery turtle kv 2 is t 6 and it will fight against t 5-7 t49 will fight against t7-9 ,don't you see difference? I may understand that you got derped by t 49 in emil, but it's not the reason to tell that it is op in any way or form , especially as the Emil is great tank with great gun ,and the only problem that tank have are early dying teams
crystal spoke
Yeah no thanks I dont want a t6 to have a 128mm gun destroying t5 and t6 with a 460 alpha gun and a 12sec reload
distant river
Emil is a great tier 7. It is slow but it has an amazing gun and beautiful depression. You can average about 3k just from using it correctly as a support tank. The only issue i have with it is the grind is very long (from memory) but it is definitely worth it.
fiery turtle
@crystal spoke : Why not?
The SU-100Y is a Tier VI with a 130 mm gun, and a premium AP shell that does 530 average alpha damage. Plus it's a lot faster, and a hell of a lot heavier than a Sturer Emil, making it a fearsome ramming tank.
Also, I said a Tier VI Sturer Emil should fire 1 less shot per minute, so its rate of fire would be only marginally higher than a SU-100Y. WG could also nerf its frontal armour back down to 50 mm (less than the SU-100Y).
wraith lance
I would love to see that ^
slim rivet
Pm me the name of some1 averaging 3k with the Emil @distant river please. Joke aside, it’s an awesome tank for an experienced player
distant river
When i retried playing them emil a couple of weeks ago im pretty sure i was averaging just under 3k but it was across a tiny amount of battles and its just from my selective memory 🤷
@round sundial can you track average damage in last 30 days on a specific tank? I mean i dont really see why you wouldn't be able to but i havent found it yet. Ign is SmileyFish3 if you know how to do it
spark glen
Hey guys
round sundial
Then give ign? That should be trackable 😄 Anywhere over 2k is very good on that particular tank in my eyes
crystal spoke
@fiery turtle because when an su100y goes to shoot it has 5° of gd and is a a literal barn not a hill to hide behind
unique scaffold
Ahoy
tired sky
Wg doesn’t read any of this. As long as we buy gold and premium tanks they could care less. They nerf the big guns under the guise of “promotes camping/ stagnant game play”. The kv2 nerfed...183 nerfed....wont be long they will nerf the jpe100 or the fv4005. To hell@with the fun factor
unique scaffold
Why would jg pz e100 be nerfed and why the fv4005 when it already has @tired sky just because you got called out on being a salty poor t49 driver and hater doesn’t mean you can just pick on them like that Defending those Two tanks which promote bad gameplay is an example of your incompetence
distant river
@tired sky Ah so you are one of the players that enjoys ruining the game i see. 183 and KV2 cannot be balenced and should be removed. There are plenty of ways to have fun without spawn camping for the entire match and pretending you did well because you did 2k damage with 2 lucky shots.
teal olive
@slim rivet in my opinion, it’s not an awesome tank. It’s got an amazing gun, which is something I look out for in all tanks, along with incredible gun depression, something else that is a must have for me.... but the combination of no speed and no armor make it such a team dependent tank. And I’m not saying it’s bad, but I’m also not saying an experienced player would take the st Emil over something like the tier seven wz, amx, or SU TDs.
tired sky
So assuming im a poor T49 player is your first mistake. I dont own nor will I ever own that tank. As far as me wanting to ruin the game, i never camped in either of those tanks. The reason they were nerfed is all too clear. The players that like to show case “look at how great I am in my little fast tank” would get blanked because they was too stupid to anticipate that oh there may be a really big gun over there...maybe I should be careful. No its more like WG making the game easier for you clowns.
distant river
You have never camped in either of those tanks but for some reason you hate the meds that you struggle to hit and you get circled by? Hmm seems likley. The T49 is great in he hands of great players, and horrible in the hands of baf players. This is exactly how tanks should be balenced.
tired sky
Again you are making assumtions. I never said I got circled by the T49, or struggled to hit mediums. Again you are assuming I am a terrible player. (58.23% WR and over 1580 ave damage) not the greatest but damn sure not the worst. During the coarse of this so called discussion, I stated something to the effect of that a light tank should not have the ability to influence the course of a battle the way the T49 does with its single shot damage. I have been told that the 49 would be a trash tank if it did not have that gun, but would it? No it would just like the other lights. WGS bias towards the mediums and lights of this game is obvious. I enjoy the game anyway, but dont play the whole "its balanced" card when it cleary is not.
distant river
If you dont hate getting flanked and circled or missing it then why are you complaining about its mobility? Any large calibre gun has the ability to influence the battle heavily with one shot, and every other (except 1) 150-155mm gun can do this better. If T49 did not have that gun it would just be a worse RU251, amd so useless. If anything WG has biased against meds and lights, especially in recent updates. Meta is all TDs and heavies which is completely wrong because blitz should be an agressive game. The T49 is a balenced tank. The T49 needs something to set it aside from the restnof the field and the 152 is the perfect thing for that. Like any other light or med the T49 has a higher skill cap, but it has a much lower skill floor than other tanks. If you are still desperately against the T49 then just dont play tier 7-9. If you are desperately high alpha, high skill ceiling or unique tanks then you are in the wrong game.
tired sky
You know what bud, its like I said, no one from WG even cares, so I am done with this " discussion". Have a good day.
fading salmon
Do you expect the Devs to read 999+ messages every day.
unique scaffold
"WGS bias towards the mediums and lights of this game is obvious."
This is one of the funniest things I've read all day 🤣🤣🤣
fading salmon
hmmmm
IS7??
American heavies?
Grille?
Maus?
E100?
Obj268 and yolo wagen?
183?
Foch 155 autoloader????
Chinese fake TDs????
inner lotus
Why is the dpm of amx ac48 so low? Mobility aside this tank has not much going for it...
lost sinew
Type 61 should have its turret tumor removed.
tawny sail
The AMX ac48 is actually pretty strong all around right now, it's got good speed and alright accruacy, dpm and pen is fine. Armour is meh but that doesn't really matter. It's honestly a very all round good and balanced tank
unique scaffold
Did that guy really just leave because we proved him wrong?
crystal spoke
it seems so
flat bane
😂 😂
unique scaffold
“ T49 needs to be nerfed yet I have no experience fighting in it”😂😂
dim field
T49 is my most hated tank. Wouldn't mind if it got nerfed into the ground. That being said I don't think it needs to be nerfed, it's annoying but balanced more or less.
unique scaffold
Bro we just said why it’s balanced in the top but you said it’s balanced so your good I can buy one back I taught a few people how to use it right @crystal spoke HMU on NAif you want
crystal spoke
i have it and im terrible in the thing but its a ton of funand deffenitly my fualt i dont do well in it I just might take you up on that offer when i can again
twin egret
T49 should be moved up a tier, let it keep it's current stats
unique scaffold
So that’s one for my old HSTV proposal
harsh ravine
wtf, the T49 is fine
sweet prism
I would like the discussion why Arl 44 doesn't get nerfed. It has more winrate than kv2, which was nerfed last patch
unique scaffold
Arl requires skill instead of some slot machine that was run on the bottom of the barrel players
calm wagon
Bruh
flat bane
Arl 44 with the stocked turret is just....
unique scaffold
So is everone still trying to act like British heavy tanks are completely broken with new consumables?
zenith sand
Uh nah, i don't feel like they are broken. I actually didn't saw a lot of ppl using them so..
flat bane
Same, I don't see anybody using them
empty ice
Gets out played by ... Tank
instantly comes to the conclusion that ... Tank must be nerfed or removed
round sundial
British heavies are broken with the new consumables. Especially the BP and FVb. Like, look at the BP. Nearly 1700hp with over 3000 dpm at T7, with quite trollish armour. That's just busted. No way it is balanced like this. And FVb. Crazy good gun,with nearly impenetrable turret, a lot of HP and insane speed. You rush a T10 TD, pop the -20% dmg consumable and his first 2 shots do very little to you, meanwhile you eat him alive with the dpm.
lost sinew
Hey devs! Could you improve win rates of your Blitz player base by coding that noobs can’t use chat for the first 15s of the game? That would avoid lemming cliff dive when a noob with 600 games, 300 avg dmg and 40%WR gives directions where to go at tier 8 🤦♂️
latent wyvern
bad idea
slim rivet
Tbh it rarely happens @lost sinew
distant river
Too often you get a noob heavy telling a team of meds to go city at Middelburg because it is closer for him. I think most of us can agree that peoppe below 50% generally do not give the right directions. Locking chat for 15 sec for people with a 50 battle WR of less than 50% would be an unobtrusive, shameless but effective method of preventing teams from doing stupid things. There isnt really a downside to it at all.
@latent wyvern try actually supporting your point with some vague evidence otherwise it is useless
latent wyvern
Closing the chat for the first 15 sec. based on WR/Avg dmg isn't a good idea because it's not a sure evidence that the person will type something "stupid". Most of the noobs even don't care about the chat at all. They just turn their tank to the direction they want or they follow the team lol. Even if you tell them 10 times to go up at Middleburg they still won't listen.
In addition, you can't define a "stupid" direction for every map. Sometimes you have to change standard tactics to make it work.
real zodiac
Remove the thing where it shows where u can pen an enemy when ur in scope its bad game design and people will never become bettwr
quick lichen
What you want is realistic battles mode or wot pc
Hitskins have always been a part of blitz and aren’t going anywhere
full token
There’s even better tanks than that at tier 7
unique scaffold
relaod time..
full token
Let’s nerf these three then because they have a better reload?
quick lichen
And people say it has too high of dpm
elfin helm
No their penetration is low and hence its ok
quick lichen
It was sarcasm
elfin helm
@unique scaffold but its damage is less and has less armour from sides and are slow except the light ones..
@quick lichen yeah maybe
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.i don't understand what is this slow mode in discord 🤔
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twilit crystal
That's the one limit I say on bad players. Ban early chat
unique scaffold
As much as I like the idea of a 15-30 second mute for players with a sub 50% 30 day win rate at the the tier they are playing it really doesn't pertain to #tank-balance-discussion
distant river
@latent wyvern And if most people dont use the chat for the forst 15 sec then it wouldnt affect them at all. All it would affect is the players who tell people to do stupid things like go city on port bay. There are occasions when the stupid tactic does work, but almost always it is down to luck and teams, not actual thought. People under 50% in the last 50 battles generally have no thought about tactics. The ones that do still rely on the useless "i am heavy, i must go right" thought process. The people that actually have valid tactics are the ones who are better at the game. If you tell a team to go up at Middelburg, they are more likely to go up. If a 40%er contradicts this then the tean is much more likely to go down and then lose.
unique scaffold
Let's take this to #general-blitz-discussion please
tidal plinth
Hi
unique scaffold
Hi, Wargaming.
Many of your veteran and professional players will be quitting after the Twister Season, and nearly all of the veterans in the top professional clans are losing interest in the game, due to teams who don't understand the basic techniques of the game.
However, I have an idea to keep the veteran players, and enhance the game for the future. My idea will keep the competitive nature of this game alive, and keep your customers.
In order to fix the game, the newer players must understand the basics (using cover, sidescraping, flanking, camo, etc.). So, to solve this, there needs to be optional video tutorials, or even better, a campaign that teaches players with bots like in WoT Console. Upon completion, the player is awarded things such as gold, credits, free xp, premium tanks, etc.
This would fix everything, since players would eventually want to complete those tutorials/ campaigns and learn the basics. The veterans would stay, and you would maintain your customers for the long-run.
Thanks for reading this. 🙂
compact nymph
@unique scaffold Good idea, I approve
distant river
Imo the easiest way to introduce this would be to have an optional "Advanced Tutorial" which was heavily suggested after tier 5. This would give you gold, credits, boosters, free xp and maybe even parts of a certificate to unlock a special camo that you can only get after completing the turorial.
The single player campaign would be a great way to encourage learning as you could have bots that sidescraped (for example) and then a little popup that described what this was, why it is good, what tanks work with it and maybe how to counter it. The different stages of the campaign could offer the discount certificates (like the current event but maybe only 25% off) as rewards. For completing the full campaign you would get a tier X discount, and for completing th first few missions you would get a tier V discount.
This would encourage people to learn as they want to get stuff cheaply, and playing a few games in campaign is much easier than grinding a quarter of a tank. This way the new playerbase gets better and so we get better games. The campaign could be added as a separate download using the current download system, so it would not prevent people from downloading the game due to its size.
I don't think there is any reason to not do this, other than the fact it would take effort from WG. Although they would not directly make money from it, their game would survive for much longer and so more people will spend money in the future.
(Wow just realised how big an essay this is)
full token
Off topic
distant river
This is the most relevant channel where WG should actually read and where it womt get swamped with messages like in #general-blitz-discussion @full token
dusky oxide
Game balance would greatly improve with people learning what to do with a certain type of tank class.
keen breach
Hello to all how was you're day ?
unique scaffold
Hello I have questions why the all tank nerf and the German and France buff why?
supple thistle
Because the KV2 dominated low tiers and the Germans kind of sucked?
proven jungle
I’m having some credit issues where I’m not making money like I used to. Something change or what?
distant river
Im guessing this has happened as you have moved up tiers? At higher tiers you dont make as many credits because otherwise there would be no reason to buy a prem (in an ideal world where prems were balenced). Also you may be spending more credits per battle on provisions, consumables, ammo, camo etc so your net profit is lower. @proven jungle
proven jungle
Thanks PM4
loud heron
Start by stop blaming others for your own mistakes
crystal basin
Camo of wt auf.... That is way 2 insane. Should deserve a nerf.
teal olive
Have you taken into notice that the tank has no armor? It’s supposed to be stealthy.
distant river
Yeah WT should probably get a small mobility nerf but WG dont seem to do half measures. If it didnt have the camo it would be pretty useless. It needs the camo so it doesnt get focused and without it you couldn't do anything
outer hawk
Buff Chi Ri and VK 30.02 D pen.
Some can and will support this opinion, the vk especially has quite a few downsides, with penetration improvement it would stand a better chance vs tier 8.
Same for Chi-Ri.
crystal basin
Yeah, I have all tds. But nevertheless,it is just a bit 2 much of camo in that. Example, u can shoot it without being spotted even without bushes At 200m. And enemy was full crew, full food charioteer
distant river
Its camo fits in logically with its hull and size, as well as it being a TD. I domt know why you are complaining about the WTs camo instead of the rhms camo which significantly better.
crystal basin
Well rhm is also 50% smaller compared To wt. Just pointing out, that wt is just a bit too much. Especially when not even behind bushes. In bushes german camo is supposed To be good. They knew how To make great Guns, optics and how To conseal tanks in Woods. 🤣
nimble zodiac
Bruh did that guy literally call a T49 OP when a KV-2 does more damage with AP and more reliable pen in TIER 6?
distant river
The WT has average camo compared to other tier 9 TDs. The difference in size between the rhm and the WT definitely does not account for a jump from 40% to 28% camo. There are so many other tanks with much better camo than the WT to complain about. @crystal basin
shadow kayak
Explain this had 7 straight games with either afks or against 60-70 percenters pls explain it just blew the daily rewards event for me
unique scaffold
@crystal basin that's the way that tanks is balanced , it isn't supposed to be logic in every single way , but that tank is still top3 tank for me
twin egret
@nimble zodiac it's because T49 has armor
flat maple
the amx ac 48 need a major buff
smoky yoke
If you remove the gun mantel on the back of the tank with would be great, makes you not even have to aim to pen it. Same for the tier 6 , remove the gun manlet would make it a awesome tank
unique scaffold
Anyone thinking about alecto?
grave bear
fun fact: wg is never reading anything in this discord channel
@meager sprucechannel = server ?
meager spruce
@grave bear Except for #tourneys-discussion
unkempt root
Are they buffing the tiger 2 yet?
placid carbon
That's next update @unkempt root and why the hell did they change the armor for tiger 131 and the kuro? The whole point of the tier 6 tiger is so you can bounce shots and now they nerfed it to 80mm now you can't bounce anything WARGAMING FIX THAT PLZ
unkempt root
Cool @placid carbon
noble siren
When you nerf the tank which is OK but leave the OP ARL, Good job...
grizzled sleet
Wut are you talking about the 131 isn't being nerfed, a 6mm difference is nothing
true wedge
ARL 44 needs a nerf more than any other tier 6 if they're going to nerf any tier 6
arctic sluice
Buff t28 or delete t28
Or buff t95 for reward of grinding painful
ruby oriole
I stand corrected, did not realise that the Reload took into account the interclip reload
stoic pebble
What has 4k DPM? Firstly, that isn’t even researchable for the masses yet. Secondly, the intraclip time applies to the first and second shots, but not the third. Therefore, the actual highest DPM is firing the third shell over and over, which yields a DPM value of under 2600. I love complaining to WG about completely nonexistant issues.
quick lichen
@ruby oriole it’s no where near 4K dpm. It doesn’t take into account the 3 second delay PLUS the 5.3 second time to the next shell
It’s an 8.3 second reload in reality
Not 5.3
twilit crystal
It doesnt have 4k dpm pol
The progetto is actually pretty balanced.
quick lichen
@woeful idol not the appropriate channel
indigo knot
Sta1 is ok tank....i just played it to grind Stb1 and definitely liked it more than m26 Pershing
crystal basin
Well u got also panther 2. Its huge as medium 🤣 and quite slow. But least it has solid german gun.
crimson cosmos
I never understood why the Panthers were so mediocre. Besides being a Tier higher than their historical opponents for balance reasons anyway.
fiery flame
Panther II was a beast when I played it, ramming 👌👌👌
indigo knot
Panther 2 competes for worst tier 8
compact nymph
@indigo knot Ever heard about the pershing being in the game? At least panther II has a "decent" gun for support role. Pershing has the pen and the hull of a light, but without mobility.
indigo knot
Atleast Pershing has troll turret and 10deg of gun depression and 180 mm pen is standard for tier 8 meds
unique scaffold
If you play the Pershing as it is designed to be played the tank is fine. Not every tank should be played like a Soviet Heavy
supple thistle
I think the Panther 2 needs a bit more armor only on the upper glacis to fit the whole E50 theme
The Panther however just needs a bit more accuracy to make it truly shine, compared to other tier 7 meds its almost par (besides the T20)
noble siren
Panther ll is hard to play, because it needs skill
drifting depot
Remember that you're a fast boi and your armor is humongously troll if you dance on your target💃 , if you're just facing it prepare to git demolished 🤠
crystal basin
You just did not say panther 2 as fast 🤣
white vessel
Pershing is hot pile of garbage. Didnt even equip it
unique scaffold
Even in reality it was still doo doo
nimble zodiac
As long as the ARL 44 isn’t sidescraping or picking a front show, penning it is easy
unique scaffold
Pershing fits the line well. Is it a great tank? Nope. But it's a decent all arounder that does a good job setting the stage for the Fatton.
I don't get all of the hate for it.
supple thistle
The hate is because the Patton in both blitz an the main game used to be a good all rounder tank, but the power creep of the game left it behind like 2 years ago and now its just bad at everything. Not to mention that getting down the American med line is already a painful slog and it doesn't actually get good until tier X.
white vessel
Bad gun bad mobility bad armor
unique scaffold
I really enjoyed every tank in the American med line ¯_(ツ)_/¯
lol, STA is great, you can do well in it hulldown, Type 61 is very bad for the role the other tanks have to take
slim rivet
please buff 183 which is imba
mighty mica
wtf
nimble zodiac
Look, too big for speed and camo, too painful of a gun to be accurate and fast-firing, too good if it gets a considerable armor buff, I feel like even a reverse speed buff would make it campier and unfair to trade with, fight one target or don’t try to trade off at all
supple thistle
Just nerf the alpha and put back the dispersion where it was
thick rover
Or preserve the camo nerf and tone down the dispersion nerf a bit by buffing it a little
noble siren
make it more accurate and nerf the reload time this should do it
nimble zodiac
@supple thistle they might as well change the caliber then, the d star would then be outperformed by Jageroo in general stats
supple thistle
No it wouldn't. It still has a turret, Yt would have better camp, you could take the reload down to something like 18 seconds (which is about what a Jaegeroo would get with Calibrated shells) and it would be a faster, lighter, stealthier alternative to the Jaegeroo while still hitting like a truck and having good HE penetration.
jade cargoBOT
_Specy#0552 has been warned.
small parcel
👀
proven jungle
U have to stop mixing tiers, it’s not fair.
visual nimbus
🤔
rotund scarab
I like type 61. Mmmph.
latent snow
Yes very nice top gun
thick rover
IS-2sh need a buff? Sacrifices good gun for the Russian one to get "armour" but it can barely sidescrape even at good angles because of weakspots at turret. It doesn't even have a good front glacis and is a worse VK72.81 at tier 8
twin egret
FV4202 needs dispersion buff, side armor and removal of cupola buff
tank just is powercreeped
every time i drive the tank, it just feels sluggish
deft owl
@supple thistle Ds is already crap and you want to nerf it even more?
supple thistle
Yes, becuase all the Ned's didn't solve the core issue of a 2 shot gun at the highest tier in the game. You get rid of the alpha, you can actually make the stats of the tank useful. I don't understand why people act like 800 health isn't a number you're going to miss and that a turreted TD isn't a huge bonus
analog briar
Tiger 2 reload buff
jovial marten
N e w. m a t c h m a k I n g. N o t. I n. NA s e r v e r. Pls add it into NA by 6.3 ;^;
echo garden
In NA games are always sided toward one team, it’s so annoying
unique scaffold
I will STOP buying tanks if we are getting nerfed
nimble zodiac
Yet again, complaining about MM in balance discussion, at least say nerf a tank for no reason or something. Is it me or is Indien Pz getting further powercreeped, a wacky armor profile doesn’t sit with people who can aim
indigo knot
Indien panzer is one of the best tier 8 med.....i doesn't need anything
flat bane
It needs yeah
queen stag
Buff M4A1 Rev ?
The gun handling while moving is really really bad...
The gun shell speed is quite slow
The gun Aiming time is slow
And the Turret mantlet is weak
Buff it a little bit
Or atleast buff the Alpha damage to 350
i dont know i feel like this tank have no accuracy..
vital ivy
Hello, may I ask a world of tanks wallpaper with a resolution of 1980 × 1200? For my laptop desktop
ruby oriole
Would you like to balance your wallpaper? Why not you read the chat title. Anyway, the WoT website has a lot of wallpapers, go there and get wallpapers of pretty much any tank in the game
vital ivy
But, on the official website WOT only has a few pictures, I need more pictures
ruby oriole
Can you take this topic to some other place. Read the god damn description, no one here will care about your stupid wallpapers. I’m not going to answer your question here.
dim oxide
T 54 mod 1 needs a penetration buff. Easiest would be APCR as standard round and HEAT as premium?
iron lynx
Uh, I think the T-54 mod 1 is already good, it doesn't need any buff.
It already has one of the best medium tank armor at tier 8, a firepower buff might be a bad idea.
unique scaffold
@dim oxide u would have suck toes to be bad at the t54mod1. It’s a entirely buffed T44. Get a grip man
round sundial
T44 is already an excellent tank, it's not a problem to do 2.5k avg dmg in it. Mod1 is slower than T44, but still fast enough to find openings like the T44 vs T9. APCR is enough to pen every T8 frontally, and it's a HAMMER vs T8 and lower meds. Needs no buff, if anything it's T44 that could use it. Not because it's underpowered, but just to bring it to the same level as Type 59 and Mod1
jolly panther
Matchmaker could use a bit more balancing with premium tanks, so there are no games where one team is composed of 90% premium tanks and other has none. Not talking about skill here, just overall vehicle distribution among teams. When one team is composed of tech tree tanks, some won't have top modules. The team with premiums is clearly at a huge advantage here, always having 100% crews, top modules and overall better performance than tech tree tanks.
Keep in mind, that when a player owns a premium vehicle, it will most likely have all the equipment, consumables etc. unlocked, while tech tree tanks are most times just "temporary" and won't even have all the equipment on.
I repeat, this is not about the skill of the driver, but the sheer lack of performance in some teams tanks when facing others. So instead of having two VK 45.02 in one team and two M6A2E1 EXP in the other team, let's have the matchmaker give one tech tree and one premium tank to each team.
brisk radish
dim oxide
@iron lynx It has armor, good transverse rate, okay camo. But it is sluggish and penetration is lacking. Damage is so so. No gun depression.
I am not asking it to be T 54 OP-FT 😀 😀 . I forgot to add long reload and aim time on above post.
P.S. how long is the interval to post in the slow mode?
vivid portal
small parcel
WTF
vivid portal
Buff turret armour and reduce coupola
noble siren
there is no reason, the tank is already great
steep pike
The Tier 7 Tiger (P) needs a Nerf, too strong Armour, and too strong gun @everyone
safe copper
But bad maneuverability
full token
Whaaat
distant river
What is it with everyone complaining about the 4202 now? It is a balenced tank. It is unique. It has advantages and disadvantages. It is perfectly fine how it ia now.
ruby oriole
Can we not get another hull down tank. It will basically be another patton. Buff the mobility or smth, to make it more unique.
noble siren
Buff on its speed will be balanced
distant river
Whats unbalanced about it now? Its a med with decent speed, decent enough armour, decent enough alpha and HESH. In #devs-answers it is average. Its performance is on par with the 263. It is fine how it is.
steel oriole
?
supple thistle
It's the decent enough armor part we disagree on. The line that specialized in high gun depression and tough turrets ends in a tank with an especially weak turret that it didn't need to get.
distant river
It has a good main plate to compensate. The lines do not follow on exactly so each tank is the same as the previous. 4202 is similar to its line. The turret is easily good enough when you wiggle and only expose for a short amount of time. You arent going to bounce everything but you have good speed, gun and main plate. It would be stupid to change anything on the 4202 because we all know how badly WG mess up previously balenced tanks.
stoic pebble
4202 is a nice balance of a vehicle. It has strengths and weaknesses, like any vehicle should have. It's not a god-tier hull down vehicle, but the turret is enough to bounce some poorly aimed shots. It's not a M48. It's a vehicle which has a playstyle which is unique to only itself. So what it's not a generic hull down tank? Because of its unique playstyle, among other things, I prefer it to the rest of the line, and it sits at the top of my account as the highest average damage.
unique scaffold
yes ;-;
real zodiac
The Vk 100 should never have been nerfed its LFP needs a buff as it gets dunked on by every tank that exists
distant river
Its LFP was pennable before the nerf. Unless you buff it to be bouncy (making it too good) then any buff is useless. The only think that was a but excessive was the cupola nerf.
smoky yoke
Lfp?
flat bane
Jg pz E100 should get a HE buff 😤 for a 170mm, is has less HE pen then 155mm 😂 👌
distant river
@smoky yoke lower front plate
@flat bane The tank is already great how it is now.
teal olive
@steep pike you don’t have to @ everyone... you realize that, right?
flat bane
@distant river it's just a HE buff, I'm not asking to buff it's armor,pen,reloud,accuracy, etc. Tbh don't you think 85mm of HE pen is a bit low for a 170mm? Yes buffing it too high can cause problems, so 95-100mm is alright?
distant river
Its a buff. A HE pen buff on a 170mm gun is a pretty big buff. 85mm is balenced. You can compare its HE pen to whatever tank you like but that means nothing in terms of balence. With 100mm of pen therr is a huge range of armour you can suddenly pen, such as the 268s upper side, e50ms side and turret etc. Suddenly it is doing 1.5x more damage in many more places and it needs a nerf.
flat bane
It's still needs a HE buff, 90mm should be fine. The 183 has 92mm of HE pen.
distant river
Why does it need a HE buff? You have literally ignored everything i have just said 🤦
unique scaffold
big problem, it was one minute till the winning box was availble and i was in a battle and i won and then they didn't let me open the box, it just reset
spiral gulch
@unique scaffold same happened to me, next win gave it to me though
steep pike
The Tiger (p) is too good. It should get a Nerf on its gun or Armour
stable flint
Bruh
twin egret
FV4202 should get it's real life turret armor values and design
unique scaffold
It almost was never thought of and really I don’t even think it had armor values
twin egret
@unique scaffold around the gun was 240mm as well as the turret ring
jade cargoBOT
Applemaster2000#9949 was banned
devout karma
I’m gonna say it now, the Progetto is absolutely broken if it enters the game with its current stats
karmic steeple
If you’re talking about it’s “4000 dpm” you’re not right
unique scaffold
They just said it’s not 4K dpm Jesus how dumb are some people here
smoky yoke
Most people heard about , we have said it is bogus , but that expects people to read through this whole chat. So there must be people who still believe that
devout karma
@unique scaffold I was also 12 once. @smoky yoke, I’m confused care to explain?
unique scaffold
@flat bane the jpze100mis balanced buff it again =op tank it’s he pen is fine
smoky yoke
@devout karma sry reach was suppose to be read
flat bane
@distant river it needs a HE buff because 85mm is a bit low for 170mm don't you think. Buffing it to 91 would be great. It will have more then 155mms , but less then the 183. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
queen stag
so... ya guys agreed buffing the M4A1 Rev ?
smoky yoke
Do you really want a op prem that most likely not going to be nerfed @queen stag
queen stag
@smoky yoke well thats not what i meant..
i just asked do ya guys agreed buffing the M4A1 Rev. cuz its kinda underrated due to
The gun handling while moving is really really bad...
The gun shell speed is quite slow
The gun Aiming time is slow
And the Turret mantlet is weak
Buff it a little bit
Or atleast buff the Alpha damage to 350
crystal spoke
I'd say that would be fair and not too much of a buff
drifting depot
Bruh, asking for armor nerfs and he buffs is like if you were asking the maus to have 5mm of armor because you can't he it even from the back without hesh on a deathstar lol; I'm also pretty sure the m4a1 rev doesn't really need a buff, just a front armor buff since you can even he it from the front, I say this because meds with heavy firepower like the Chinese ones being able to use 122mm cannons without a reload penalty since they're not heavy tanks it's unbalanced enough, you basically have the Fire power of your average tier 8 heavy tank on a medium tank wich is a lot more mobile and just has around 14 reload secs while the t44 has the same but 20 reload secs, at least the m4a1 rev has a nice fire rate without making it too op you know? It demolishes at close range peeking, also PLEASE GET RID OF 122MM GUNS IN TIER 8 MEDIUMS it's really annoying, or at least give them those 20 reload secs like with the t44 for Christ's sake
Guess the only downside they have is that tier 7-ish penetration value
unique scaffold
And terrible accuracy/ armor/ poor mobility
jovial kernel
the issue is if we get rid of 122mm chinese mediums guess what we have
That's right, Russian mediums.
distant river
@flat bane buffing something just for the hell of it is useless and will ruin game balence. Look at what happened to the Foch. People were complaining about how it desperately needed an autloader to fit in with WOT and look what WG did. You do not need to buff an already good tank. That is exactly how you ruin the game. Obviously buffing HE pen slightly isnt as bigg a buff as the Foch but it is going down exactly the same route. (And you still havent read any of my messages or thought of any actual reasons for the buff)
flat bane
@distant river WG have done random buffs in the past, either to pen, view range, etc. Buffing it's pen to 91 will make it have the same pen values of other 155mm. Hence, whatever you can pen with a 155mm, you can slightly pen it better(by 1mm lol). For good reason as well, it is a 170mm cannon, you should get good pen numbers. May be you can think of a nerf for compensation for the buff. The tank is good, however I have not seen too many being used at the moment( may be just my luck) the ones who are using it, over expose them selfs too much. I have read your previous messages, and I have countered them too:/. Not sure where you're getting that 00f.
distant river
You have just repeated the same point that is completely unfounded over and over again. Buffing things for the hell of it is not a good idea (ooh look im havinh to repeat myself because you havent understood my messages). WG have done random buffs but it is not a good idea. WG randomly buffed STB and foch, WG randomly added brit heavy consumables etc. WG cannot do random changes well. If a tank is not too good or too bad (like the jag) then it should not be touched. Jag is already a very good tank, if anything it needs a nerf. The last gun arc buff was unnecessary. 85mm easily enough pen to use.
flat bane
Then nerf the gun arc and buff the HE pen by 6mm ¯_(ツ)_/¯( yeah I repeated my points because you don't understand them) Also, the new consumables shouldn't even be added to pub matches, keep that in Mad Games WG plz.
ruby oriole
In your most recent suggestion, you are changing somethings which do not need changing. No one cares if the gun has a larger caliber. If it does not need changing and it is good the way it is, dont change it. Your suggestion of nerfing the gun arc is dumb because it doesnt need a nerf. Neither does it need a buff to an already decent HE round. Stop trying to justify something which clearly would not work
drifting depot
To begin with he should only be used against soft targets, what do you want? Pen the butt of a American tank that's angled enough so you can't pen him or what? You know that's an extremely cheeky wish of yours right? The only things he should be used against in tier 8 to 10 are grilles french tanks' sides and rear, basically any sort of soft sided medium and maybe British tanks and American tanks' butts
distant river
Your only reason for buffing an already good tank is "because other tanks do that better". This is just stupid. If you want that then you say that to start with, you dont slowly add extra points afterwards 🤦
I could also say that MK6 needs to get an impenetrable turret because other hull down tanks like the E5 and IS4 also have an impenetrable turret. Does this mean my point has any sense or is balenced in any way?
river tendon
Holla
lean lark
Why always defeat. Tow days
thick rover
He was bringing up the gun arc nerf only if there was increased HE pen. Dont quote out of context and call out others.
stone ocean
New matcmaker is WTF i win 10 battle in a row and lose 10 battle in a row
iron lynx
Balanced, as all things should be.
slim rivet
Take ur 10 wins then stop playing. U can easily abuse the MM @stone ocean then ez 99% win rate
noble siren
Bruh stop asking for buffs on premium tanks. You all are like"I'm buying premium tank I guess it has to be OP af"
round sundial
Exactly, it should be worse than normal tanks in tech tree, to compensate for stock tech tree tanks and credit making
unique scaffold
Eh myb not worse , but difrent , or at least it should compensate in some way , so we would not get more wz 120 ft
stone ocean
Tog II* need buff
nimble zodiac
Nah, tog is a nice tank that can shred people, mainly KV tanks
dim oxide
@stone ocean agree, TOG 2 needs a 3000 hp engine 😀 😀
drowsy plaza
@round sundial what if the premium has a worse credit coefficient than tech tree? Like the M60 or T-22 Med.
karmic steeple
Well for one those are tier 10s. And if that is the case then wg should boost the credit coefficient and keep the tank slightly worse than its tech tree comparison. When you pay for a premium should be for a unique tank not an op machine better than anything you can get on the tech tree
round sundial
@drowsy plaza T10 tanks are not meant for credit making and never have been. Like the guy above me said, changing the credit coefficient is only a matter of changing a number, so nothing overly complicated
noble siren
@karmic steeple Hallelujah finally
stark sinew
Hey I am having trouble keeping my replays in wot can someone help me? Make sure to pin me.
unique scaffold
How about no
karmic steeple
@stark sinew balance discussion isn’t the channel for your issues
stark sinew
Sorry.
nimble zodiac
T-54 ltwt gettin powercreeped by dem prem meds
twin egret
i mean the T-54 ltwt itself is already good
crimson marsh
Lol it’s really good
twin egret
Super Conqueror When Wargaming pls add .-.
unique scaffold
We don’t need that junk here
drifting depot
I don't feel too much like the t54 ltwt is that much of a light tank lol
twin egret
well it's tier 9 on WoT PC ¯_(ツ)_/¯
@unique scaffold We Don't need HTSV In WoTb than
unique scaffold
@twin egret when it’s actually useful Vs a reskinned unwanted Conquerer
@drowsy plaza I'm pretty sure these tanks aren't prems but collector tanks
unique scaffold
give ru251 more shells
grave bear
lmao super conqueror reskinned conqueror? so T26e4 super pershing is a reskinned pershing and not a totally different tank?
crystal spoke
I know extremely little about the super conqueror so take my comment with a grain of salt.
From what I've seen the super conqueror doesn't seem to be a reskin of the conqueror but more like the m26- t26e4 comparison like SToXC brought up and if that actually is the case then we absolutely need it or other tanks with stories and the like. And if it is " just a reskin" but has a story in the way the loza is I'd love them to add it for again tanks with stories are far better than any tank without
unique scaffold
Although the Chieftain Has a great story instead of This “package that never even existed at all” @crystal spoke along with the HSTVS goal for providing to be a Airborne tank finally lead to development of a successful airborne tank that will see adoption in 2022
unique scaffold
Roses are Red,
Violets are blue,
The worst thing Wargaming ever did,
WAS NERF THE KV-2!
unreal quiver
can the Tiger P HE pen St Emil?
iron lynx
Depends on where you hit
violet sonnet
Frontally probably not
crystal spoke
@unique scaffold yeah they should have done more to it, it still 1 shots from the front on occasion
twin egret
Wargaming add this you won't
supple jolt
The Obj. 279(e) is close enough, also that tank only has around 15 traverse speed so it would be unplayable
drifting depot
I'm pretty sure we all agree the smasher and grave digger are disgusting to fight against
unique scaffold
Same goes for drac and hellsing, it's pretty good reason to not grind t 7 tanks for me
karmic steeple
Tier 9 is hardest to grind tho
crystal spoke
The grave digger not so much for me I rarely have issues with it
flat bane
Meh depends on the tank, T9 is pretty good if your tank is maxed. If you're stocked and against T10s then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
crystal spoke
So unless you're me its not bad to grind t9
drifting depot
You know how it feels being put against tier 10 on a completely stock tank that isn't a TD or something with a lot of penetration since the very beginning right?
flat bane
You know, unless you're willing to spend money or have a lot of free exp saved. In order to get a T10 you will have to go threw the T9 variant. Most stocked T9s don't do well against T10s, just be glad WG changed mm so you don't fight too many T10s in a stocked T9. (I had to play 20 battles in a row in a stocked E50 against T10s, that was painful but I made it work somehow)
flat bane
Anyway I wanted to see the OBJ 705A line added into Blitz. What do you guys think of it,and what aspect of the tanks would you buff/nerf?
unique scaffold
@flat bane sure cuz e 50 got somehow reliable armor for medium tank , and that stock 203 ap pen isn't bad , but what should stock Patton/type 61 do? Throw free exp on it or pay to get to at least first gun that costs 60-70 k exp? My point is that it shouldn't take so long to get to at least playable gun on t 9 medium ,it shouldn't be 70 k but myb 30-40k
I dont think ob705a is needed in blitz, it looks from what I know as better e100 without big frontal weakspots , and im not sure how could they balanc it without turning it into huge weakspot or tank with shotgun as the gun
indigo knot
@unique scaffold thats where you need to save your free xp
I just now grinded Sta1 and used free xp on Type61 ...was tempted to use free xp on modules for Sta1 but resisted
flat bane
@unique scaffold that was my whole point previously... guns with decent pen shoudnt cost 70-80k exp on a T9 med. Oh well, I guess you could just save free EXP, not the end of the world.
unique scaffold
@indigo knot then what is someone who is getting his first t 10 supposed to do? Be even less effective thanks to 180 pen gun that he has to use? Or pay? It shouldn't look like that , I can understand that someone may pay to get gun earlier , but more often someone will suffer for 60 games to just make his t9 playable. I think everone could agree to pay 30-40 k more exp for t10 tank and just get t9 modules more reasonable
indigo knot
Well everyone has had to go through the stage of playing a tier 9 tank fully stock and grind it....this is nothing new
Save free xp and know when to use....even a player who is grinding for first tier 10 should have atleast 50kfree xp.....only a few games and you get the gun
round frost
More armour to tier 7 IS pls
unique scaffold
50k is unrealistic for new player that is grinding his first t 10, unless that player would save his free exp ,which they don't , and as I said in msg before , lower the modules cost and make a t 10 a bit higher
thick rover
Personally I feel that's a good idea that benefits everyone if not overdone
@hoary sorrel Wait are you joking or serious
I mean I wouldn't be surprised with either
hoary sorrel
STB is most OP medium u heard it here folks. Not E50M and definitely not T-22.
100% serious.
unique scaffold
Ikr, good gun/armor/mobility
twin egret
but no face hug stuff
unique scaffold
Only e 50 m should do that
twin egret
^^^
slim rivet
When balence discussion is over @elder sluice
jade cargoBOT
Rejlo-1#9621 has been warned.
crimson cosmos
Is it just me or does it feel like the M48/60 turrets have been heavily power creeped? I can be decently hull down, even using gun depression, and get penned by other Mediums with obnoxious regularity.
It’s almost as bad as an FV4202 or being caught from a flank. 🤷♂️
errant warren
I mean there isn't a medium tank where you can expect to bounce every shot with your turret (except t-22)
grave bear
t62a : exists
twilit crystal
uh t62 is atleast vulnerable to 330 pen heat on the cheeks
quick lichen
Wz 121 exists
signal shoal
Nerf M6A2E1 Exp dmg per shot
unique scaffold
@signal shoal why would anyone do that. I am clearly blind , I thought you was asking for buff
@crimson cosmos and ye 230 mm when in perfect hulldown is pretty bad
noble siren
M6 is fine, Dracula has to be nerfed
unique scaffold
No it really doesn't need a nerf. The Dracula is fine as is
fiery flame
Dracula need buff, change my mind
dusky oxide
I said something and if you dont reply my statement is automatically correct.
unique scaffold
The drac is fine. The Comet, 34-1, T23E3, Rudy, and T-43 all make easy work of it.
It really doesn't need a nerf.
The Drac is op to players who generally lack situational awareness.
slim rivet
Comet 34-1 rudy and t43 are all super good. But t23e3...
nimble zodiac
Please... at least a small buff to T-54s second gun...
scarlet frigate
Hi, I think there is a bug because my tank was "ready" in the garage as I was in a platoon and then as it hit 8:00pm for the x2 xp to reset it did not display the x2 was available for my tank (t32 which was ready), but then I just played my game and won and then I did receive the x2 xp. So I don't know why it didn't display that it was available when I was in garage. Just thought I'd let you know
round sundial
VK100 needs a massive buff -.- It is the worst T8 heavy by far
drifting depot
Nah, it's basically a lower tier maus, just LEARN HOW TO HIDE YOU LOWER PLATE, SIDESCRAPING AND ANGLING
boreal aspen
Hey developers, can the T110E3 get some love... Stats are down, tank has unbalanced weaknesses. A little love would help on this tank... See Bushka On Blitz.... I am going up this line and not happy about this tank being the worst tier 10 out there according to him 😦 see his video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0ktN5o_41M Bushka even suggested some buffs to make it a little better as it's disadvantages out way its strengths in comparison to other tanks including its neighboring tank line .... traverse/speed buffs maybe... look at the online stats (also on video), they are the worst in almost every way! Please respond on any plans or possibilities!
white vessel
@boreal aspen e3 is fine as it is, little buff but nothing major
crystal basin
1 of most trollish tier 10s what There is. Play with e4 and after that u Love E3. If something is must To be buffed, lil bit of accuracy wouldnt Hurt it. Otherwise, armor is great, and hatch just screams shoot me and do 0 dam
indigo knot
@boreal aspen that was years ago
And this thing doesn't need a buff....its fine currently
distant river
The E3 has basically the equal 2nd best WR in that, so nice job disproving your own point 🤦
white vessel
@boreal aspen e4 is trash and I take evrything youtubers say with grain of salt
unique scaffold
@boreal aspen Don't use spoilers here.
indigo knot
@boreal aspen whats there to see in the stats 2nd highest WR among all tier 10....
And that video is ages ago see the latest ones....and E3 doesn't need a buff rather it should stay as it is or should be tuned down in terms of camo ratings
Also see #devs-answers
crystal basin
@boreal aspen I believe u mismake E5 and e4 cupola. E4 still has cupola big as #### E5 is fine tank now. And if u got that allready for buying, I courage u To buy it. As for a so slow and clumsy tank, that is enjoyable To play. And when u drive it full upgraded u forget every bad thing that YouTubers say, when usually u hear, this is a great tank you need To buy it (in premiums either they are carbage)
boreal aspen
@indigo knot Ok, well the #devs-answers looks like it is doing well then, so maybe no buff, but if E3 is that good, then why are there few players playing this tank.... is it because it has a bad reputation or something? @crystal basin yeah sorry all @white vessel , I meant E5 with cupola buff is suppose to be a lot better now (not E4), thanks all for feedback on this, as it initially looked like a tank that needed buffs from video and the fact that little people play it, so will give it a try at some point soon then... still not sure why it is not played that much... anyone know?
white vessel
@boreal aspen few players due to painful grind and not that many like a tank that is slow and not that great as a camper
crystal basin
It has bad reputation, and also its "old" tank in blitz, People tend To play newer tanks what they have. Not To mention how many loses intrest in that line on T28 or t95, its quite painfull road from T28 To E3. But when talking about carbage td, tier 10 wz TD. It supposed To have front nearly impenetrable and its paper.
boreal aspen
@white vessel @crystal basin OK, agree they are painfully slow and that line can be a challenge, so that is just it then, thanks for your feedback on this. I feel better now in trying the E3 out now. I actually have the E5 experienced out also, so have both to look forward to then 🙂 Yes, just looked at the WZ Td stats, lol, new bad tank to be concerned about.
crystal basin
Only flaw in that wz td is that armor. In pc that front is a beast. In blitz... Well I dont want To get muted so I rather not say how bad it is. Everything simply goes trough even low plate hidden. Just like that armor profile isnt working properly.
boreal aspen
@crystal basin , Good to know, something to keep in mind when I go down that line... right now just started that tier branch with the WZ-131G FT almost grinded out with maybe 3 games to go, then the T-34-2G FT tier 7... maybe developers can check/ fix the armour on the WZ113G FT by the time I get to it (hoping) .
crystal basin
Yeah. Tier 8 is really amusing, tier 9 is ok and bouncy. But tier 10...was a huge disappointment. Take your time and enjoy on tier 7 - 9
thick rover
Can the Grille get some love? It might have been said before but here goes.
It’s HE pen is not as good for that caliber and WT has higher HE pen
It’s gun depression is pretty bad even on the sides when WT has 10
It’s penetration is decent but I’m not complaining because it has good gun handling
It’s camo is not good for such a skinny and lightly armoured tank
It’s gun arc is heavily decreased while WT Turret is fully traverisble
flat bane
Alright, so you want grille to have higher HE pen, better gun depression, better camo ratings, and a higher gun arc. I guess that's reasonable.
tulip moon
when will there be an option to mute players in the chat but still the chat open for teams and the enemys team like mute one opponent instead of the entire team?
thick rover
@flat bane In no way am I asking a buff for everything, just stating the obvious downsides to the tank, in the hopes that Wargaming can sensibly juggle the factors and perhaps make it a little stronger, sacrificing other aspects or whatever just hoping for an overall better tenk
I would keep sarcasm out of the way if i wanted to make a point
flat bane
@thick rover what aspects would you buff about the grille, and what nerfs would you make as compensation for the buffs?
Also, were did you get the "sarcasm" part? I never said you were being sarcastic in any form.
olive sorrel
@flat bane
I personally think gun depression will be good, I would leave that for Wargaming to decide, maybe one from the list,if they even want to do so.
For me I’m not sure what to sacrifice maybe DPM since it’s very helpful only like when you’re in a farm spot or really far away
You didn’t say I was sacarstic.
flat bane
@olive sorrel hmm do you think buffing the camo value and gun depression however losing DPM would be reasonable?
Then where did you get the sarcasm part from?
fleet stump
We need a T95 Defender and Churchill Gun Carrier Defender 💙
thick rover
Yea I wouldnt mind if it was like that, depending on the extent actually
If you wanted to know it's ".....I guess it's reasonable"
XD
flat bane
*I guess that's reasonable. Works too lol
twin egret
Grille 15 Pre-Nerfed basically
sleek pebble
@fleet stump how about a WT auf E100 Defender? 😉
flat bane
Smh give Foch 155 4 shots instead of 2. It would be 100% balanced 😂 👌
lost sinew
Speaking of painful grinding... AMX 13 75, dear Lord. Amx12 even after a nerf is bearable but 13 75 even fully equipped it’s a pain. Mobility not that good, pen bad on the road to batchat it’s an unpleasant stage with all the current tier 7-8 OP premiums roaming around.
full token
Amx 13 75 was pretty good for me
azure tiger
The wz113 clearly need a buff
ripe oasis
I feel like if they buff the wz they're gonna ruin it afterwards to where it dies like the 183
I personally love the wz how it is but a buff would be nice 😋
lusty silo
@azure tiger
it will be
distant river
What about the E3?
@lusty latch 4004 is conway
lusty latch
and since when is the chinese X TD so bad?
unique scaffold
@lusty silo where's the t22 stats? whats requirement to get into stats charts?
lusty silo
@unique scaffold
not popular to get into stats charts
hybrid flume
@lusty latch the wz...
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Has as much of an armor profile as the foch
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Doesn't have foch autoloader or dpm
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Has not much speed either
azure tiger
It needs a buff on gun and armor ! Not mobility ..... make the tank strong .... not with consumable @lusty silo
distant river
@lusty silo Why do charts only show popular tanks? Just because a tank isnt popular it doesnt mean you have to ignore it and pretend it is balenced. Im sure it wouldn't take much effort to include the other tanks. It would be simple to add another picture to extend the chart. The only reason you wouldn't is if you were trying to hide something
worthy basin
Surprised by the lack of the T22 in there 😂 wonder if that will be different come 6.3 and we get the 6.2 stats
unique scaffold
Why would there be t22 ^^
lusty silo
@distant river
we don't ignore any tanks
but if certain tank is not popular enough we can't put them into charts because comparison won't be relevant
round sundial
Well in 6.2, many containers were opened and many players got the tank. I think it is neccesary for it to be shown in the charts, because clearly it will be above all T10 meds
indigo knot
Any plans to buff Wz120 tier 9....3 deg of gun depression makes it unplayable....it needs 5deg gun depression
And Grille 15 line except for the Wtpz4 needs a bit of love.....both Rhm and Grille have been powercreeped just buff them don't give them those consumables
LEO1 also needs a tad bit love in terms of aim time(similar to 62a) and soft stats like on the turret rotation and hull movement dispersion buff and turret traverse buff
Also Wzft td and Scorpion g are not in charts even though they were sold and I believe they are played much nowadays
distant river
Comparison would definitely still be relevant, you would just mark those tanks where the stats may be influenced be player count so people know that they may be slightly skewed. @lusty silo
The tanks dont need to be changed before twister, they just need to be changed at some point @lusty silo
lusty silo
@indigo knot
WZ-120 will get DPM buff
tier 10 vehicles won't be changed at all because of Twister season
fickle gull
Trop bien
rancid epoch
I like how there are no t22 stats in #devs-answers 🍿, i wonder why
indigo knot
And what about leo pta .....i needs a buff like 7 deg of gun dep and maybe highest dpm med at tier 9
@rancid epoch well it was sold in 6.2 and wait when 6.2 stats are out
But even Scorpion g and wzft td stats are not there
rotund scarab
Wz113g- AP pen buff and/or smaller bloom?
mellow cape
WZ-121 is still kind of underwhelming compared to other tier 10 mediums, and I think WZ-120 should really get at least 5 degrees of gun depression
rancid epoch
All the broken tanks are not there , seems weird , dont u think ? @indigo knot
full token
The Brit heavies were quite high on the charts, and they still got those consumables 🤔
chilly crane
Indeed
cunning vapor
You guys wont buff the 183. Fine. Atleast buff the Tort armor or speed.
solid acorn
@cunning vapor yes the tort need a buff
mellow cape
183 nerf was way too much, either the camo OR the gun should have been nerfed, not both. I would have personally preferred a camo nerf since I prefer to see where I am being shot from
drifting depot
Look, it seems like most vk100 mauschen and maus players that I've met are like what, but this thing should be impenetrable, im gonna go rage online about it so why not giving it 500mm of armor on each side so these peeps stop raging 24/7
noble siren
Because Maus has stupidly big weak spot like M6 exp (not his cheeks or lower plate) @drifting depot
dull gate
@lusty silo Are the charts just showing the stats of players with a win rate of 55-65%?
umbral peak
Wher is t22 med stats ?
timid vine
Cant believe e3 still at top, foch is insanely good 😴
dusky oxide
The guy who wanted the e3 buffed yesterday looks even sillier today :DD
tranquil nova
@timid vine
These charts are for 6.1.. foch got its buff in 6.2.
Those asking for T22 stats & those who are surprised foch is not in top of the charts wait till 6.2 charts come out
fleet stump
The T-34/85 Victory need a small buff. One shot more per minute or 225 alpha.
distant river
It is unlikely T22 will be in the charts because you need to see one every 7 games. Personally i dont see them that often, and i doubt other people see them that often either
@fleet stump the victory is exactly how a prem should be. Slightly worse than the tech tree versions. It is perfectly balanced how it is now
candid vault
I see the T22 once in every 3 or 4 games so you’re lucky @distant river cuz that thing is super OP
unique scaffold
Stb buff was a smidge overdone.
candid vault
They just need to buff the kv-4, currently the kv4 has similar armor, slower speed, worse pen, worse reload and same alpha damage as the IS-3 and while the IS-3 is a good tank, it’s not particularly OP since any pen over 200 goes through its front like its paper. I think the kv-4 is just a massive roadblock to getting the IS-4 and similar can be said about the kv-3 so I think these heavies definitely need a buff.
plush trellis
Kv-3 is decent. Kv4 is terrible lol. The little niche it had was taken by VK 100, which Vk plays it in a much better role too.
meager spruce
@unique scaffold yes. It is a bit on the "too good" side but at least they did not make it super broken like foch 155.
round sundial
@fleet stump Like PM4 said, Victory should be slightly worse than it's tech tree counterparts but have better credit earnings. It has absurd credit earnings, so it needs to stay the way it is. I have it myself and say this. What needs to be nerfed is Cromwell B. It is similar to T34-85 V in a way, it is a Cromwell but without the top gun. However, WG decided to give this gun the same stats as Cromwell top gun but kept the good traits, like 13 degrees of gun depression!!!!! It needs to be like Victory, make this gun stats the same as on standart Cromwell. And fix the gun depressing into the tank itself on the back!
full token
Also you can’t rly increase alpha on the same gun, unless it’s something like T49 etc
mossy cipher
@round sundial i also have the victory and i disagree,"Victory should be slightly worse than it's tech tree counterparts but have better credit earnings" imagine saying that for every other premium on the game when there is clearly examples of vehicles that are superior to their tech tree counterparts, not everyone and that includes me gets a tank for its credit earning capabilities. i get said tank because it has a for example better dpm, better armor, speed etc .. The T-34-85 is a joke, has worse penetration, worse gun handling and its the same tier as the common T-34-85
@unique scaffold no, i just want this tank to be exactly like its counterpart from the tech tree, thats it
unique scaffold
@mossy cipher then you want to get pay2win
"i get said tank because it has a for example better dpm, better armor, speed etc .. " sounds like pay2win for me
round sundial
@mossy cipher Please read what I write. I write that it SHOULD be, not that is IS the case. Ideally, of course it would be the case for all of the premium tanks in the game. 34-85 has the second best gun from T34-85, so a very workable gun, and an ABSURD credit coefficient, it's making similar credits to T8 premium tanks
dim oxide
@round sundial Leave Cromwell B alone!! I have both T 34-85 Victory and Cromwell B, leave both of them alone. They are both fine in their own way.
mossy cipher
@unique scaffold You make it sound like every premium tank has all of those things combined when it's not like that. I bought this tank with gold and got something worse in the process if I had received this tank for free I would not complain but that is not the case here
acoustic shard
Why do they only show the charts for 8 9 and 10 Tier 7 is a thing. TANKINSTIEN!!!!!?!?!?
grave bear
tankenstein*
mellow cape
@acoustic shard Because tier 7 is too low of a tier and filled with way too many seal clubbers and op fantasy tanks, although I'd like them to show the smasher stats LOL
dim oxide
@round sundial I don't think tier 6 suffered having both of those premium tanks. Generally tier 6 light and medium tanks are competitive. Each of them have their own playing style. As someone much wiser and more experienced said, play the tanks, not their type.
There are many good tanks in tier 6. Don't spoil it by always nerf and buff. As a matter of fact I don't like any nerf and buff. Once a tank has gone out, keep it stats frozen forever. Players need to get better to compensate, not the tanks.
noble siren
@mellow cape SHHH you may trigger people with 15k battles in Dracula Helsing or Smasher
grave bear
🤦 go compensate pre nerf charioteer with your kv4 u so damn smart boi @dim oxide
if u can spot him and dont miss, u'll do 310 dmg for every 440 dmg x2
distant river
@mossy cipher just because there are other tanks that are OP it doesnt mean all of them should be.
Also i agree with @round sundial about the crom b. It is an excellent tank but better than the tech tree tank by a long way. I love the tank but it isnt balenced and it needs a nerf.
mellow cape
someone defending OP tanks just because they like them.. how unusual
dim oxide
@grave bear was the charioteer has a winning rate of 100%? Was the charioteer exists only on red team?
distant river
"its a balenced tank because it was sometimes on my tean" 🤦
@frigid sky that means it should be worse than the tech tree equivalent
round sundial
@dim oxide Let me get one thing clear. I have no problem with Bromwell itself. The tank has super weak armour and is not that difficult to kill usually. My problem is when it's compared to tech tree cromwell. It is literally a better version of it's tech tree counterpart. It has Cromwell's top gun stats, but with muc better gun depression, and even can depress it's own gun into the engine compartment, and even better mobility apparently. How is that OK?
frigid sky
It’s a prem :/
quick lichen
Because this isn’t 2015 @round sundial
Blitz is no longer a game where premiums are equal or worse than tech tree tanks
T34 was garbage originally
So was the lowe
And so on
Then slowly every premium got a little better until they were stronger than their tech tree counter parts
For example is3<is6<is3d<is5<Wz 112-2<obj 252u
The Wz td is far better
The lowe to the tiger 2
T34 to the t32
And so on
distant river
That shouldnt be how it is, and the best way to encourage that is to keep those that are balenced already
@dim oxide Look at its stats before the nerf. 2.4k average damage and 63.5% WR from 55-65% players. How was that balenced? It is now just a good tank. (In case you missed it SToXC said PRE-NERF charioteer)
dim oxide
@round sundial Okay.
@distant river It is balanced because it has weaknesses and killable. What's the winning rate of the charioteer? 61%? That means it lost around 40% of the time.
Ah you edited the reply above. Yes, I am also talking about PRE-NERF condition. I said let it stay the way it was. Don't nerf or buff ANY tanks after it was released. If it is too weak let it stay weak. If it is too OP, let it stay too OP.
noble siren
Kv4 is a very good tank don't know why people complain about it, if it gets buff on something it will be awesome
dim oxide
@round sundial , I am sorry I didn't get your meaning the first time. Regarding the Cromwell B gun depression, that should be answered by the wargaming CAD department. But doesn't that makes it unique😀 😀 😀
If realism is what you are after, ask why tank's gun barrel can go through enemy turret and firing. No gun bending or whatever. It's a game, not real life. It is just pixels to entertain us.
shy wren
Despite the KV-4 being the worst HT, I kinda liked it
prime viper
i loved my KV4 lol and hated the VK100.01p
also i still want to see a buff to VK72
or give it a 2shot autoloader with a 23 second reload and 7 seconds between first and 2nd shot would have practically the same DPM as it has now but would make it more interesting
mellow cape
bruh no, we discussed this way long ago and that would just make the VK broken just how the foch is now
formal vale
Kind of annoyed that they didn't address consumables in those questions.
Edit Response: I know. It would just be nice to hear WG admit they messed up just once. But I guess that's not a good PR move since people would probably start expecting WG to take responsibility for their actions.
quick lichen
@formal vale it’s almost as if they purposely didn’t address them
prime viper
@mellow cape i can still hope cant i and at the very least id like to see a little buff even for like traverse speed
distant river
Vk72 is fine how it is. 640 alpha with a great front and relatively small weakspots especially with wiggling.
@quick lichen just play brit heavies 🤷🙃
noble siren
Correct me if I'm wrong. In the past Obj140 and T62A WG nerfed their turret armor because "they had passive gameplay and were camping hills", now they buffed the turret armor of a tank with good gun and depression and people want the same to happen to tanks with good guns. Where was the logic? And why not bringing their previous armor values?
quick lichen
Wg also released the the t-22 which has a better turret than both
unique scaffold
And people say it’s not op
quick lichen
@distant river I miss it having 2300 hp
dusky oxide
Stb-1's increased armor thickness would be very low on the list of what causes passive gameplay at tier x :D
teal olive
oh wow, IS4 has passed up the maus in winrate (and is still far ahead in damage) . Yet I don’t see many people whining about how the IS4 needs to be nerfed for having higher WR like they did with the maus.
unique scaffold
Oh look at that 215Bs doing good and people want to replace it with the Super Conq instead of actual chieftain 🤦
noble siren
@teal olive the line was " Maus doesn't need buff because it has the highest WR from all tier 10 heavies" if I'm correct
drowsy plinth
Any idea if ther been changes to IS5 ....i played over 6 k battles in this tank..but lately it feels sluggish and real slow aim / bigger aim recpticle
dusky oxide
Put a 48%er in a maus and one in an is4 and see who can do better solo. IS-4 is way too versatile for how much armor it carries around and how low of a profile it has.
Now imagine how low medium tanks would be on a graph with data only from average players. Turns out heavies are way easier to play yet they still seem to reach the performance ceiling meds are at. Ever wonder why tier x rosters are made up of dominantly heavies and TDs?
cunning kindle
Is4 is done, so is maus, 215b is the new big boi
unique scaffold
And people say they want the super Conq lmao
prime viper
how bout we bring in waffentrager E100 lol
quick lichen
@teal olive everyone gave up complaining about the is4 last year
grave bear
buff e100's turret sides from 150 to 180 and im happy
@lunar niche yes it will, a lot.
e100's turret on flat ground would be 350 front and 350 sides at best angle, if in hulldown with -7 degrees, 390/390.
without counting +4% armor bonus. it will Surely help, without making the tank a noobproof unpenetrable turret tank like is4
lunar niche
With all that 370 HEAT flying around, will that even help?
unique scaffold
It really wouldn’t
noble siren
@grave bear good idea
grave bear
or i mean, at least 160 which is a must since e75 has 160 sides and e100 150 only, thats stupid
autumn zodiac
Valentine II needs more penetration, and ammo capacity, it can't kill very well even with its current preferential matchmaking.
The armor buff to all other vehicles made it harder to do effective damage, as well as the penetration buff to other vehicles making the armor much less effective.
It needs more firepower, the problem isn't that it can get killed, it's that it cannot deal damage without very specific conditions.
prime viper
just drive a matilda
or say screw tier 4 and play 5 b/c its better in every way
uncut flower
dry wren
Do anybody know when update 6.3 comes
crystal spoke
No it hasn't been announced yet
noble siren
bruh Maus has very stupid weak spot...
charred bobcat
Since when did maus have a very stupid weakspot?
noble siren
That's the problem I don't know (not the cheeks and lower plate )
sudden forum
what
twilit crystal
The mauses only stupid weakspot is the fact high pen heat goes through its ufp
indigo knot
Heat above 367 pen goes through hull .....tried with E100 and Waffle many times
While 268 and Jageroo totally destroy it
twin egret
tbh Wargaming should fix the Shadows, isn't it a bit weird that your tank's shadow just goes through the floor
noble siren
BRUH it has the same big weak spot as M6Exp, of course if you are good player you will know it and understand what I mean
nimble zodiac
@twin egret yes, it allows my Obj. 704 to HE splash under the tank 😈
unique scaffold
Uh, i was in my T110E5 and was face hugging an IS7, the hull armor was grey but i couldn’t pen it, not with HEAT either. Is there a glitch that IS7s have more armor? Or the T110E5 just bad? The armor was grey like how the leopard 1 has almost no armor, you could pen it anywhere, it was like that for the Is7.
slow sluice
nothing you could have done @unique scaffold , russian bias
unique scaffold
True
Pro tip never face hug a Soviet heavy unless your in a chieftain @unique scaffold
wise dirge
Why would one play a chieftain
final talon
I love the chieftan
harsh ravine
u guys are saying not to facehug an IS7 when it’s possible to penetrate the pike nose at an angle without using HEAT
inner mauve
By seeing the latest feedback, the WZ 113G FT needs a serious buff... I'd buff it on the gun side, so then the gameplay feels a bit different than a 268 or Foch or E3, such as a dpm or accuracy buff
vivid terrace
The french amx ac 46 needs a armor buf it needs to be 130 mm insted of 120
orchid grove
@unique scaffold If the IS-7 sticks his gun into your gun, in a facehug, then hitting his gun will effectively add 60mm of armor if you're using AP shells, and make him essentially impenetrable with HEAT shells.
unique scaffold
@orchid grove I didnt hit his gun, just his armor, also he looked away from to shoot me and i hit his hull with HEAT, no pen. @unique scaffold It was a 1v1, and my bottom has like no armor i could wiggle with.
fossil kestrel
can someone tell me how to be good on the caernavon???
nimble zodiac
Hull down at any given moment, if their reload is long then spam at em. It's not popular to play because it isn't too good as a heavy but you can work with it a bit. @unique scaffold when you facehug an IS-7 then the angle you fire at the plates at are at such an angle that it's very hard to notice the highlight of red, same occasion with an IS-4, it's not really a glitch, just a very close call on penetration... unless 👀
unique scaffold
Ohhhhh, that makes sense, thanks @nimble zodiac
flat bane
W0AHh, people are doing really bad in Wz 113G FT.
spring solstice
Hello guys, I see that 183 has the lowest win rate, but then its the T10 that even got nerfed, why is that?? It doesn't seem right, shouldn't they nerf ones with highest win rate? 🤔
teal olive
The issue is, FV183 is a tank that should not exist, it sucks out all of the fun from any match by ruining a persons game every 20 seconds. It is an impossible vehicle to balance so they (WG) just decided to nerf it into the ground.
flat bane
Feels good to have 80% of your HP taken off in 1 sec yes?
unique scaffold
How about make the 4005 actually worth grinding just by replacing the autoloader with the 183mm so it can be a 183 counter
spring solstice
After years of hybernating from PC version, I started to play Blitz just about 3 days ago, went for Chinese T1 on tutorial with the 5A in mind, then I was surprised that the tech trees are very different from PC version, no 5A, hehe, saw deathstar, I always wanted to have one as it bacame a colector's tank on PC.... now I'm on T7 en route... but nwo idunno if I'm gonna still go for it, lol
spring solstice
And btw, shouldn't the top gun of e100 hve lower pen than stock?
twilit crystal
lol what the 4005s fine
hot sun
Nope top gun on e100 is better, same with the Batchat and foch 155
twin egret
@spring solstice I mean u could've gotten the FV215b (183) on PC when the Black Market event was still going on ¯_(ツ)_/¯
British Line still has classic tier 10's
Bat Chat is a light tank
T49, T-54 Ltwt & RU 251 are tier 8's
Obj 263 is Tier 10
SU-122-54 still in the game
OG Tier 1's are gone
many Tier 2-4 tanks were removed from tech tree, turned into something called "collector tanks"
spring solstice
@twin egret I stopped playing WoT PC 3 years ago, and I just got back 3 days ago, but not on PC, here on Blitz, and there's a LOT of difference 😁
spring solstice
What do you guys think of the 183 right now? Still fun to play or really frustrating to play now?
coarse harness
It's a crap now
twin egret
Still fun but like what he said ^^^^
viscid brook
Hope you have a good team. The accuracy of the gun is horrific. Don't turn the turret. And somehow it still has better camo than the grille.
warm tinsel
Better cammo than Grille? Wow, the more you know
exotic light
the tortoise is slow as hell and huge and not armored why its sooooo weak like that?
unique scaffold
It isn't weak lol, you may have cupola , but it's still effective tank on t 8-9 when angled, and Vs t 10 you don't play it as agresive
coarse harness
It is the worst TD on the charts
thick rover
Your profile pic is gonna give me nightmares xd
exotic light
need better armor go see the wr and dmg for tortoise for update 6.1 in #devs-answers
chrome flint
please make events a little easier to complete
elder sluice
What time starts mad games?
deep pewter
Pls make KpfPz70 more real
deep pewter
KpfPz 70 is super good agains the HEAT and HESH because of it have composite armor
exotic light
please make tortoise more armored because its soooo weak and easy to destroy
tawny basalt
I think the devs should make it not possible for a dead enemy to cause damage when on top of a tank of the opposite team
deep pewter
Nope
slim rivet
@spring solstice for thé love of god, don’t go after the 183
elfin helm
Can you plz buff JE100
distant river
No its already a good tank
spring solstice
@slim rivet why not? 😁 bad for me or bad for my enemies?
elfin helm
It's too slow..
......
And reload time should be 12s or 14s🐦 @elfin helm
full token
Ok he isn’t being serious
distant river
Bad for the entire games health? We dont want any more people spawn camping in the 183 @spring solstice
@elfin helm It has alpha and armour and is already a great tank. If anything it needs a nerf not a buff.
exotic light
plz dont nerf the 183 i still didnt drive it yet and i suggest to nerf the new patton tank it has too thick armor and tortoise need a buff
wet wharf
jpz just needs a speed buff. lower glacius also needs buff
clear meteor
@lusty silo new vk gonna be container shenanigans?
lusty silo
@clear meteor
it hasn't even been tested yet - this is why it's too early to talk about the way you can get it
river tendon
The new VK 90 i verry look like
distant river
@wet wharf So you want it to be relatively fast as well as having smaller weakspots and 800 alpha? Do you have any idea about balence at all?
155 is OP and needs a big nerf. We do not want to buff every tank individually so they are all OP compared to what they were an so balenced. Jag is perfectly fine how it is and needs no change. If you were going to change it you would nerf it. @noble siren
noble siren
@distant river why not if you look at the Foch155 that's what you described am I right...
wet wharf
LOL
clear meteor
@lusty silo I know it hasn't been tested yet but you're known to take normal wot tech tree tanks and Rob blitz players by introducing them to blitz in contrainers so now that you introduce this "non wot PC tank"(I hope you get that I mean) I'm worried as to how it's gonna be introduced in the game since a normal tech tree for it would be too good to be true considering how blitz has been the last few years
lusty silo
@clear meteor
rob /rɒb/ verb
take property unlawfully from (a person or place) by force or threat of force.
looks like it might be useful for you
clear meteor
No sry but it definitely describes wg policy😂 .Nice counter argument to my valid point btw😂
indigo knot
Its gonna be Christmas tank
grizzled sleet
Lol new tank looks like a 02 B got a VK100 turrey
lusty silo
@clear meteor well if your way to describe our policy is lying - it's up to you.
vapid swallow
Lmao
clear meteor
You don't lie you just don't wanna improve your game and it saddens me because I remember how good the game used to be.I won't try to make a statement considering crates etc cause that's already been done tonnes of times and it's been clarified to me that wg is not stupid they just wanna keep stealing money off of people the majority of which don't get what they paid for.Im sorry but people spending 200-300 bucks for a tank they end up not getting is not only disgusting but cheap on wgs end as well.Greed will eventually kill your already dying game
lusty silo
@clear meteor
You don't lie
of course i don't. The only one who's lying here is you. If you want to discuss smth, stop doing that )
umbral peak
Vk 90 is the vk 75 the new premium tier 8 from wot Pc you guys just copy it and make it tier x premium to max the profit.
vapid swallow
Wargaming is a company @clear meteor how else do you expect them to make money - the way they implement new tanks may not satisfy/please you but they cannot listen to everyone’s opinions. Although stating that the implementation of new tanks via crates is not wanted by the majority of the player base, at the end of the day they are people too looking to make a success of the game (one more thing @lusty silo I see you only replied to the first 3 words of @clear meteor last post)
clear meteor
@vapid swallow I expect them to make money by not stealing ppl.Stop crates.If you're that desperate for money keep selling SOME tier 10 tanks for GOLD(tier 8 and Lower would be ideal but oh well I guess that's hoping for too much considering blitz's state)whilst focusing on making your game better.That way more people will start playing, the game will grow and wg won't need to rely on cheap ways to make money
noble siren
@umbral peak yeah. When i saw it i was like "wait a minute that thing is familiar to me isn't it tier 8?"
vapid swallow
So you’re wanting them to sell even more Tier X tanks for gold lmao, that’d encourage noobs to just buy their way up to tier 10, disrupt the gameplay and defeat the whole point of grinding your way up to Tier X so that by the time you reach that level you have some idea of what you’re doing. I mean who doesn’t want even more 40%ers who have no clue what they’re doing at Tier X. Yeah good idea @clear meteor definitely making the game better huh
frail quiver
How crates are stopping bots from getting a crate tank?
distant river
Crates discourage everyone from getting the tank. It means for money for WG but less people buying the tank so less people playing it so less chance it will ever get balenced (see T22).
grizzled sleet
So they get the money and get to be lazy is what I got from that sentence
clear meteor
@vapid swallow you think bots will spend 100 bucks on a tier x tank?Ok then make it so no one can buy a tier x prem unless he has played a several amount of battles or something @vapid swallow
vapid swallow
Have you even played this game bro? @clear meteor there are hundreds of bots playing the mk6 - m60 - t22 - 121B etc
indigo knot
Tier 10s should not be sold but be made available by ratings or missions ....just like they do in WOT pc
distant river
I think tier 10 prems should be locked until you reach tier 10 clan supply, same with other tiers. It isnt much but it is an easily implementable method to stop noobs playing way out of their depth.
slim rivet
1 sure thing is that the crate system discourages me to spend a single buck on an attempt to get a tank @clear meteor 😹
grizzled sleet
For those of you that dont know what tank we've been talking about, it has big cupola, which at tier 10 is a no-no and -5 of gun depression over the front
noble siren
@indigo knot they should make tier 10 premium (not OP and not bad just OK) and make like line of missions when we complete them all we can receive the tank just like in PC. This would be cool
exotic light
why tank engineers make cupola???? i mean why they dont make flat door?
grizzled sleet
Commander has to see
indigo knot
The only thing is that tier 10s shouldn't be behind a paywall....just make them available for mission (not like a 10 day mission and use gold) like long process to clear those missions just like ongoing missions for 279e or 260 currently going on wot pc.... where 6-8 tank be available for those who don't want to do those missions
Some may disagree but that how I feel
frosty mural
why does the tiger II get buff and not t32?
desert flame
LTTB should get a hp buff. It’s outclassed by tanks like the Type 62 and Dracula simply because it has less hp
coarse harness
Everything is outclassed by Type 62 and Dracula
vapid swallow
Fact
unique scaffold
Comet laughs
grizzled sleet
Comet great fun
green kelp
Lttb is good
fleet stump
Buff Smasher and Helsing!
unique scaffold
@exotic light the cupola is made so the commander can see with out it he must rely on one single periscope that can’t be rotated or moved
karmic steeple
@fleet stump good joke
hybrid flume
@clear meteor the crates are there to reduce the number of people that get the tank (which, in large numbers, will break the tier) without reducing profits.
And I know what that sounds like.
indigo knot
Look at the T22 crates ....they increased there time in the store from Friday to Sunday
I guess they made a lot a profit
undone merlin
@exotic light the tank commander needs a cupola, and generally the larger the better. The commander functions as the eyes and ears of the vehicle and the crew, and has the best view of the outside except for maybe the driver. With a flat hatch, the commander is restricted to periscopes and viewports which make spotting targets that aren't in your immediate view hard, as well as confining the view to a certain area. Another important part is that without a cupola the commander would have to expose most of his body as he opens up his hatch to spot things. Cupolas mitigate this by providing an elevated armored platform for the commander, so he can spot without seriously exposing himself to dangers outside the tank.
crystal spoke
Although some designs have the hatches protect the commander when open such as the t55 series and t-34 series although it usally only covers the cest but not head or arms
unique scaffold
Or have the commander Able to shoot things ahem the M60 tanks I mean I’ve seen some photos of a periscope even above the cupola because Merica @crystal spoke
undone merlin
Yes, most tanks with cupolas have some sort of MG mount or at least the ability to have an MG mounted.
crystal spoke
Yeah granted a .50cal blocks alot of viewing range
indigo knot
In blitz a big cupola also lowers Camo rating
Thats what I felt....Type61 bad camo rating Type59 patton also has bad ....only 2 I know of though
unique scaffold
Camo rating depends on how tall the tank is
crystal spoke
@unique scaffold true but it still kinda limits the field of view since you know giant gun infront of your face that blocks the ability to put pariscopes everywhere but a single pariscope is better then non
mellow cape
@unique scaffold Not entirely, the grille has worse camo than the FV4005 despite being shorter (and thinner too, but that's not accounted for)
unique scaffold
That’s just WGs camo system I really don’t know why they nerfed the grille that hard
full token
It probably needed the nerf back then but maybe not as much rn
tidal trench
Tell me if this is fair
I joined a training room that's called chill
We're all having fun together and suddenly someone kills me (5 times in a row)
next round I try to get revenge but the host kills me or trying to kill someone else
That doesn't sound fair, does it?
Anyways it keeps happening over and over again and I'm just tired of it I would appreciate a report button for the next update. also there should be a suggestions channel on this server
full token
It’s a training room. Things happen. You can’t punish people for those. You don’t lose credits, WR or have any other stats getting affected. This also isn’t the right channel for this. Maybe #off-topic-discussion
umbral topaz
That moment when people realize the branch for Blitz in WG has to make money in someway in order to pay its employees.
If they're not pushing out stuff that is designed to make money...then the employees would want to work for a dif company that pays them an appropriate salary. (Though politics aside..."gambling" through a crate system is a pretty foul thing to do to the minds of those who don't understand it's gambling disguised in a video game...which is a tender topic meant for elsewhere since different nations view it differently)
unique scaffold
Buff Excelsior pen, it's really too much low
round sundial
Fun fact, Mk. V is the gun from Cromwell B, but Cromwell B has 145mm pen instead of 91mm like the Excelsior😂
languid whale
facts
mellow cape
@slim rivet another fun fact, mobile wargaming is completely different from PC wargaming and there are different studios within wargaming working on different games which get different pays
unique scaffold
@hybrid flume no , they are there to maximize profit , and hit the gambling addicted part of community. I understand that this is free2play game , but we shouldn't act like they aren't bad , or justificate them
mellow cape
@slim rivet I do get your point, I was just referring to the fact that wargaming isn't a single studio working on different games, there's different studios working on different games within wargaming.
On the topic of crates, they are allowed by law if they mention the drop rates apparently (Thanks Amaunet for telling me this)
umbral topaz
All about dem "loopholes"
crystal spoke
It's not really gambling if you know the drop rate and as a plus usually the other items in it is usually pretty good .
Key word usually
distant river
People can work out the probability of winning on a fruit machine but it would still be gambling. 🤷
crystal basin
We need lil Love for conqueror and 215b. And the thing called Love is giving 10 ammos more for em.
round sundial
215b is already the best fast T10 heavy, it doesn't need any changes, other than removing the upgraded consumables
mellow cape
If WG really wanted to buff it (despite it not needing one, perhaps an extra degree of gun depression at the front) they could have buffed it directly instead of with these OP consumables
crystal spoke
@distant river are the carnival games that everyone is a winner but you probably wont get what you want gambling aswell? And usally you aren't given the chances at slot machines
crystal basin
I didnt want To buff armor, speed, dep. Etc. It just needs more ammo (10)
jovial marten
Somehow allowing a 120mm SA46 with 270mm AP pen can bounce all three shots of AP on a batchat 25 t AP not the tier 10 the 9. Flipping how. I do not enjoy, I’m taking away 1.2k damage from my result
unique scaffold
i have cent
unique scaffold
Some tanks with cupollas should take reduced cupollas damage cause they are targeted on tank that have alot of armor that sacrificed it's speed and traverse for said armor, and that's what makes the M6A2E1 and the EXP variant so powerful because it has alot of armor, decent maneuverability, decent maneuverability, and it's mainly RMG based to get a hit off, you have to multi team it or wait for it around corners, which they are often smart enough not to push because it's a great defensive tank rather than offensive. I would say at least nerf the armor by maybe 10mm :-/and as I said, they weakness is mostly RNG based, which is the impossible to hit cupollas and very thin hittable side turret
nimble zodiac
There's already considerable weakspots tho
dim field
It's as large as a barn and has basically no side armor. It's pretty balanced
torpid furnace
Why is the IS4 too good? Wargaming nerf it
hybrid flume
@unique scaffold ever looked at the thing's turret with 220 pen?
Ever used t8 td gold on the unangled front hull of this thing?
supple thistle
My problem with the M6 is that it has no lower plate weak spot, so all you have to shoot is the turret, which is really weird for an American tank where you usually shoot maything BUT the turret.
flat bane
The same can be said for the amx 50 B🤔 🤔
coarse harness
And the Churchill 1👌
noble siren
@supple thistle it has 2 huge weak spots you just need to get good. People need to stop complaining about M6exp because the tank is completely balanced and they just sound stupid
flat bane
I love shooting their side with HE
compact nymph
@noble siren Turret cheeks? Try to hit them while he his moving
noble siren
@compact nymph nice joke git gud
compact nymph
Yes. Hitting the turret cheeks of an M6 exp while he's moving is a joke. But it's a joke that will only make the M6 laugh because you will hit the 500mm thick mantlet 99% of the time.
rigid wigeon
There’s this great thing called “heat shells”. You should also try this other great thing called “aiming”. @compact nymph
compact nymph
@rigid wigeon L O L. A Löwe with APCR cant pen an angled M6 exp hull. And to answer to your question, I have over 87% hit rate in the Löwe and i'm not a gold noob
noble siren
@compact nymph you are just noob
meager spruce
Settle down
rigid wigeon
Honestly, those sound like you problems. Either aim for the cheeks with apcr or find someone else to shoot. There’s no reason not to fire gold if you can’t pen something with standard. Your hit rate has nothing to do with this. It only counts how many shots you hit, not how many shots you pen. If none of this works, drive a WZ-120-1G-FT and mow down every hopeless scrub lord you see. @compact nymph
shy wren
The black circles are where you can pen the EXP with 225mm of pen from a Cent. 1/Caernarvon. If you know where to shoot, you can whittle it down with little effort
round sundial
And with APCR, it's everything but the mantlet even with T44. Tbh I'll simply use APCR even when I can pen with Ap to increase my chance and area I can pen
fathom tulip
hmmm dear devs your game are actually not stable bc for one it s a long time i get chat ban so i tink is not just to ban permanently on the support actually is not fun to cant talk actually i just want talk but your support are useless they give all time the only and one reponse i thinks your staff are bot whit differently name so i just want to deban my chat bc i get a injustice of you fairplay policy is incorrect .
rigid wigeon
I don’t even know how to respond to this gem of a comment
empty ice
@shy wren from that angle I have been able to pen it in the tracks, similar to the tracks of the t57 heavy
proud timber
Just shoot at track they would make damage with ap if you know how to shoot it. That tank eats the rounds from tracks.
noble siren
You don't even have to aim for the cheeks when you can make easy damage on its tracks duh
round sundial
M6 Exp has no hitbox behind the tracks from the front perhaps if ur under it it could work, but nah
indigo knot
When M6 was a rare tank then it was difficult to take out as lesser knew how to pen it but now its is easy ....shoot tracks and gold for cheeks and anything with 300 pen will go though hull....sides are HE pen....even with 105mm
nimble zodiac
People think ARL is hard to pen but you can just shoot the tracks through, there’s ez pen hull behind it 😂
spring solstice
Daaaaamn, I was gonna go for Maus but I noticed its turret frontal armor is only 240mm, so much easier to pen than PC version..... 😵
distant river
I had a maus call me a cheater today because my 30 1ers apcr could go through its cheeks 🤷
spring solstice
Just started playing Blitz 4 days ago, I was gonna go for Maus for my T10 heavy, now I don't want it, I have no trouble penning Mauschen's frontal cheeks with my T8 M4 49, what more trouble will Maus have being in T10 having the same 240mm frontal turret armor as the Mauschen, errrr, I don't wanna go for E100 since I already got it on PC, I heard VK sucks.... but I want a "heavy" heavy.... now I dunno what to go for :(
quick lichen
Is-4 (can’t believe I said that)
noble siren
@spring solstice you can even pen Maus through its tracks with T62A without any problem
viscid orchid
If you think the Maus is bad or poorly armored you're not good enough to play it. Simple facts
indigo knot
Compared to Is4 Maus is weak in terms of armour....Is4 can go hull down and be impenetrable even some HE shots do 0-50dmg on turret
But that being said Maus is fine....but Is4 is OP
quick lichen
That’s not true. Aim for the top of the is-4 turret and it’s 150-200 for 120mm and 300-400 for 150mm guns
noble siren
@viscid orchid nope that's fact T62A can pen Maus through the tracks when it's perfectly angled
crimson cosmos
Any bets on when/if the Smasher will suffer the same style HE pen nerf as the KV-2? The silly thing’s gun is more than just a bit OP when facing same and lower Tier tanks.
Besides, it’s freakin’ hideous and deserves a nerf for being that fugly.
unique scaffold
I'd like to see it either "buffed" up to tier VIII or for it to receive a healthy gun handling nerf. @crimson cosmos
winter sluice
Buff IS-2Sh armor a bit
cursive vector
Yes
hidden solstice
The t22 needs a slight nerf in one of its stats
It has a ton of armor, really good speed, really good handling and good DPM. I can't say about its pen but from what I have seen of it on the battlefield it also has good pen
thick rover
@winter sluice Yes it's the only premium I regret buying
cursive vector
No dont nerf t22 medium
unique scaffold
Yes nerf
teal olive
Nerf it to the ground. Same with Smasher.
cursive vector
Omg lil kids only because you dont get this tank you wanna make him bad.
noble siren
pay*
unique scaffold
Keep talking things OP sad you can’t drive a normal tank @cursive vector
lunar niche
@noble siren Some tier 7 can pen that spot.
indigo knot
Well T22 is better than every med at the moment.....it has same Russian dpm and armour with that low profile and 6deg of gun depression unlike Wot pc where it has 5deg
It has 300 heat which when using calibrated shells gets up to 330 which is golden to pen every tank easily
@spring solstice just get Is4 ...it is best tier 10 you can get
cursive vector
Yes he is very good but dont nerf this tank it make fun to drive this tank
wet quail
Do u even English bro
spring solstice
@viscid orchid You didn't get my point, I haven't played the Maus, ever, never had it on PC, what I was saying is that I want to get the Maus here on Vlitz but my excitement (PC legacy in mind) declined when I noticed it's not the same as the PC version as I have realized many tanks are tweaked here in Blitz, I'm 4 days old on Blitz and I'm learning the difference.
unique scaffold
Blitz ≠ pc
viscid orchid
@spring solstice Fair enough but the Maus is still an excellent tank and it can bounce and absorb damage better than the IS-4 can in the right situation with the right driver. Is it as straightforward and noob-friendly as the IS-4? No.
unique scaffold
Hey
spring solstice
@viscid orchid well, it'll take time for me to finally decide which second T10 I'll take.... just got the AT 15 today (I guess I don't have to say which T10 I'm taking, he he he), I just want the Deathstar soooooo baaaaaad, no matter how bad it is at the current meta as I've learned it recently got nerfed to the ground, I.... want.... it..... I never got the chance to have it on PC as when I finally realized I really want it, it went out of the tech tree already 🤷♂️
forest tundra
get t-22
indigo knot
Get foch or 4005
distant river
Get literally anything other than the 183
mellow cape
yes, 183 is legit the worst tier 10 tank in the game right now
noble siren
But you can ruin people's day for sure
unique scaffold
Who thought it was a good idea to give the foch an armor buff +auto loader and the hatch can’t be penned by most tanks it’s bs please fix that tank. It’s too op fix the flak gun it’s reload? Really either give it less armor or give the dang gun less pen it’s so annoying
drifting depot
Just let the maus use the secondary cannon so peeps don't blame their team whenever they pen it omegalol
round bluff
foch and t22 armor profiles r gonna be so troll that twister this year will be an rng orgy mess, dont @
teal olive
^^^^ he ain’t wrong. It will be filled with Foch, T22, IS4, and maybe STB
noble siren
BrUh bUt ThEy nEeD sKilL
unique scaffold
It’s broken shoot the front left or right side drivers hatch @hidden solstice i already taught him
hidden solstice
@noble siren go on armor inspector and look at the E3 and E4's cupola and you will see how different they are
dusky oxide
"omegalol" WeirdChamp
unique scaffold
They have slightly trollish cupollas on top, but the T110E4 requires buff, brother
unique scaffold
not that much but we need a little buff for the copula
karmic steeple
It’s almost impossible to bounce with e4 everyone knows where to shoot
kind swallow
E4 is td, but rather offensive
So I think they can remove this cupola for sth like E5 have (very small)
And make downplate easier to pen
And it will be 👌
unique scaffold
@spring solstice but don't forget that blitz got lower pen gold ammo with reduced dmg
karmic steeple
Yeah I think that makes sense it’s hard to protect two levels of your tank at the same time @kind swallow
unique scaffold
@quick lichen ?
quick lichen
That looks like a tank
unique scaffold
Is that object 277?
unique scaffold
@quick lichen that was actually response to your last msg. but yes , that's a tank for sure.
tall inlet
No, its a typhoon class submarine.
Your welcome.
heavy dock
Bruh
drifting depot
I think that a good way to balance the foch's autoloader would be like, lowering the penetration on standard ammo by idk, 10-15mm? And getting the clip reload up by 4-8secs, about the penetration, idk if it actually should go lower tho
queen mason
@mellow cape I guess it can go that way
mellow cape
@queen mason 5.5s is way too short of an intraclip delay, it should stay 7s but get longer interclip reload (it's around 15s rn so it should be at least around 19)
drifting depot
The clip reload should go like, 26 seconds if you're gonna get the intraclip reload down to 5.5s since the foch would have a lot less risk in the open this way but a lot of risk while in cover, wich situationally..... Actually 90% of the time he would still be alive even if rushed, the enemy would take some time to get there and by that time the foch would already have like 14-20 secs left and if in the current state it can survive those whole 16 seconds of clip reload in the open I think it would have a little more problem pushing tho, so just get the clip reload up to like 20 secs or so and lower the penetration so it would run a little more risk in the open, this way the autoloader would be a little more risky to push with than its current state wich is basically like a 152mm machine gun in some way lol I think I repeated my self a little but y'all should get my point
karmic steeple
Just remove the clip
drifting depot
Meh, wg probably will end up giving the deathstar a 183mm autoloader
karmic steeple
Aight ima head out
mystic gorge
@drifting depot the way it should have been done was to give it a 120mm autoloader with 4 shells in a clip so it had to poke more to get off the entire clip. I don’t think people would complain about that considering that it has good armor for bouncing
drifting depot
If you mean the foch you're absolutely wrong, why giving it a 120mm autoloader with 4 shells while stuff like the fv4005, the t57 heavy and the amx have 3 shots in a clip tho, maybe give it a high velocity 122mm?
flat bane
Oh my oof 😂 people are saying the new T10 German heavy that is coming out is already "op". Bruh we don't have any stats on it, also it's not on any other platform of WOT. Smh
unique scaffold
@quick lichen a proof that you are wrong?
@drifting depot dude , community was asking for that autoloader ,also community was begging for 1750 hesh dmg gun on fv4005...
rigid wigeon
You’re seriously going to tell raik, who’s done hundreds of penning and splash damage drills, that he’s wrong because you have a screen shot from armor inspector? @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
@rigid wigeon so you want to tell me that actual evidence is worse that someone exp? XDDD I am afraid that doesn't work like that XDD
rigid wigeon
Have you actually gone out and tried splashing an is4’s hatch? @unique scaffold
indigo knot
Yes Raik was right that 150-200 splash occurs when you hit the turret roof with 122mm guns but the problem is you can't aim much for it as you will be hit back and many times it hit gun mantlet and turret front which leads to 0 dmg splash even by 150mm guns
i really hope WG tunes down some tier 10 after twisters and also buffs some that are in need of it
Nerf Is4 Foch155
Buff Grille Leo1 .....I would like 4202 to be buffed to but I don't know how could that tank be balanced (supposedly reduce aim time and buff dispersion even more so that taking snapshots is easy)
Though they could have buffed leo pta for the upcoming patch with wz120 after all both are always competing for last position in the stats pages
round sundial
Foch would need a massive DPM nerf on the autoloader, it should be the worst TD in DPM. I'm thinking something like 2500 from the top off my head. Or reduce it a bit less ( perhaps ~2750) and nerf the cupolas back to 60mm.
noble siren
I think we should nerf it's OP armor on the hull and the weak spots and leave its current values of its autoloader, what do you think?
round sundial
The armour would still be troll if you nerf the cupolas, overall autoloaders need to have high burst damage and bad DPM. By nerfing the hull signifiantly, Foch would not be Foch too. Look at FV. It has a great autoloader, but it's huge and paper. Foch has a great autoloader atm too, but in adition it's low profile, fast and very heavily armoured. It needs not have good DPM, the DPM needs to be trash to compensate. Even if you nerf the cupolas, the armour is still good, what is an IS7 gonna do? It's gun has so long aim time and poor accuracy that hitting the rangefinder or MG turret properly will be very difficult to impossible in normal battle conditions. Like I said, autoloader needs to have poor DPM especially on a tank like Foch @noble siren
tawny sail
no, the buff to the cupolas was needed as they would just get HEd, dealing damage to the Foch much faster, which it already receives through its lower plate and premium rounds through the front. the armour is fine. And then foch should not have poor dpm on its auto loader. why would you think 'it should be the worst td in dpm"? thats just ridiculous
rigid wigeon
Thank you. Finally someone who has a brain.
round sundial
Because it has speed, armour, low profile, camo and good alpha damage perhaps?🤔 Also I said worst DPM on the autoloader, the normal gun can keep ok DPM compared to other TDs. I'll make a guess, you are a Foch driver aren't you ? @tawny sail
coarse harness
It has the worst DPM with the regular gun among T10 TDs
tawny sail
The foch is by no means low profile. Its height is average and the cupolas just add more height. its alpha damage is standard for tier 10 tds. Why would anyone want the worst dpm on a tank thats KNOWN for having an autoloader and being fast. yes the dpm should be lowered but by no means should it be the worst. Its just ridiculous that you suggest it should have the worst dpm out of all tds with the autoloader. No one wants to play it with the standard gun as thats not what the foch is about. French tanks are known as autoloaders with the exception of the AMX 30 B, and before the Foch got the autoloading gun it was disappointing for most players as it didnt have the autoloader, which it was known for.
And yes, i do like to play the Foch @round sundial
round sundial
Various people have said that Foch was balanced before the autoloader gun was added, and that is where I come from. If Foch was balanced with a single shot gun with the worst DPM out of T10 TDs and weak cupolas, how can it be balanced now? Only by reducing the DPM massively and perhaps nerfing the cupolas back. Let me ask you somehing. Have you ever encountered the Foch in a medium tank? The medium tank can't pen the foch reliably, not even the lazer gun T62A. MG cupola with 180mm is very unreliable pen for everything cuz it has weird angles modelled. Half of the rangefinder is not a hitbox, and the second half is also unreliable, as approximately half of it is sloped and gives around 340 to 400mm effective armour straight on, so that is not penetrable by even prammo of medium tanks. The only place where meds can penetrate reliably, and remember, with prammo only again, is the lower plate. "But newb, meds need to flank"!! Yeah good luck, Fochs mostly simply rush med flanks with their speed and then demolish helpless tanks. Also your point about autoloader is only half true. French are known for autoloader, Foch too. But Foch wasn't disappointing for most people I have talked to about this. It is disappointing compared to this OP monstrosity, but that is no comparison. I understand that you do enjoy playing your OP tank and crushing everything, but you need to look at the matter objectively and agree that the Foch needs to be nerfed massively to make it balanced again. As all things should be.
rigid wigeon
The Foch was worse than the 268 in pretty much every way before the autoloader. It’s finally coming out of the 268’s shadow. While I agree that the buff might have been slightly over done, I don’t think it needs to be nerfed into irrelevancy again. Maybe just a small DPM nerf.
coarse harness
They only buffed the cupola on the T9 Foch recently, the T10 one just got a small fix on it
And you don't need prammo for the lower plate
Also the armor behind the tracks is weak as hell
tawny sail
Yes, the tank is strong right now, but only in dpm with the autoloader. Nerfing the cupolas back would serve no purpose other than to make people get annoyed when they constantly get HE'd frontally. Yes, i play medium tanks a lot and have no problem penning the foch frontally reliably with the penetration numbers on any medium i use, as i take time to aim and make sure my shot will hit. If people dont know the hitbox of the rangefinder that's their problem and yes, it is a reliable pen 99.99% of the time. If a foch rushes a medium tank, most likely they will get circled and killed unless the foch is an experienced driver or they get help from their team. I couldnt care less if the dpm got adjusted to be more balanced as i dont care about playing in an OP tank and crushing everything.
Yes the foch's autoloader needs a slight dpm nerf but thats it. the rest is fine and the dpm should not by any means be reverted to being one of the worst at tier 10
round sundial
The lower plate is 260+mm effective even when slightly under it, that is way above medium tanks' penetration. And 007, you must be a god blessed by RNG, that you pen the rangefinder in a normal battle conditions 99.99% of the time. Foch will also never get circled unless he is stupid and goes out into open where he has no hard cover. Like I said, the normal gun must be higher DPM than the autoloader. People say it was balanced before, so the DPM needs not be buffed on it. Since autoloader has burst damage, it needs to have lower sustained DPM, so at best 2500 should work for a balanced tank. Not the best perhaps, but by far not the worst. E: If you can't agree that autoloader in general needs to have lower dpm than a comparable gun without autoloader, then there is no point in debating further. Hf
coarse harness
That would be exactly the worst
tawny sail
sure the tank was balanced before but it was just a lesser 268 in every way except speed. Also, any smart person wanting to pen their shots on a decently armoured tank will shoot whatever ammo is appropriate, meaning i either use heat or ap/apcr depending how much time i have to aim. The normal gun should not have more dpm than the autoloader because thats not what the tank is about. The Foch is an autoloader and so the autoloading gun should be superior by default, the only reason it has the standard gun is because WG didn't know how an autoloading TD would work back when it was first introduced.
rigid wigeon
The Foch’s gun is also very troll and the sides and back are weak af
coarse harness
Just give a few sec to the full clip reload and that's all
2 or 3, maybe 4
tawny sail
As you can see, theres the Foch with and without the autoloader and some other popular tier 10 tds. The foch may need a dpm nerf but it competes just fine as people are still adjusting to it having this raw dpm. its accuracy is average, so its not always 100% of the time going to hit the target and its side armour is so thin that even if you slightly angle it, it can be penned by pretty much everything. The Foch is fine for now, give it a few months and people will know to stay away from it while it has a full clip.
latent wyvern
it can be penned by pretty much everything
ehh no: https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/foch-155
tawny sail
litterally just load pramo, its not that hard... or aim for weak spots. and if the foch slightly angles the side, the side can penned easily. Literally just aim. Its not hard to aim
round sundial
Foch side can only ever be overmatched by 151mm+ guns, so E100 can't for example
latent wyvern
Lower plate: 260 mm
Front plate: 302-317 mm
Ragefinder: trollish 'cause only a small point is "only" 180 mm. The rest is above 275 mm
MG Cupola: very trollish since it's sloped --> 300mm
A T-54 for instance can't pen anything with "99.9%" lmao
noble siren
@tawny sail stop cringing Foch155 is literally Jge100 with way to better stats how is this balanced. We all know that you have it and want to farm your WR in it because its obviously OP. I mean if you want to make easy WR just play Smasher Helsing or Dracula like the rest...
latent wyvern
Every fast TD has atleast 2 weakspots that can be penned easily (Lower plate and hull/cupola), except Foch. Aiming at Fochs' lower plate is cancer because nearly 50% of the shots will hit the ground. The other rest will bounce off the >300mm upper glacis.
Even the 268 can be penetrated more easily and it hasn't got that speed and clip that Foch has.
tawny sail
Foch is no way a jagE100. Clip potential, maybe, but any other stats, no. Frontal armour easily countered by: 1. Aiming for the weak points. 2. Loading pramo. Or alternatively, track it and COD it.
No i am not "cringing" what ever that means in this context. I do have it and i do not care for farming WR in it.
The Foch's armour is not useful if people just aim or load premium rounds, which are in the game for a reason...
It really isn't hard to aim and learn how to count to 7 or 16 once the foch has fired.
Also, try driving the foch before complaining about it having 'strong armour' as in reality that armour means jack all in a proper situation. Sure you'll get a bounce or two IF you play right, but if you're just sitting there, premium ammunition straight through the front is an easy pen, and especially easy pen if you aim for the weak spots.
I'm not saying the foch doesn't need to be nerfed. But the previous ideas of the 'armour being too strong' or 'it should have the worst dpm, 2500, out of all tier 10 tds on its autoloader.' Yes it is strong, yes it should have a slightly lower dpm but also it shouldnt as the accuracy is average, no, the armour is not strong, especially the sides. The lower plate is not 'cancer' you just need to aim and adjust accordingly to what the driver is doing.
in regards to the 268's armour, it is much more trollish than the foch's, but it has less dpm and less speed, slightly better accuracy as well.
noble siren
Ok then sir tell me what JgPzE100 has more than Foch155 I wanna laugh so go on.
round sundial
Jgpz has a better hull upper plate thus it's balanced. Certified by MI6, agent Bond himself
flat maple
foch 155 is balanced by the teach tree, its such a pain in the butt to get that it discourages people from getting it.
tawny sail
JagE100 has more effective armour, better single shot damage, around the same accuracy, although foch seems to be slightly more accurate. JagE100 also has much better gun traverse. These tanks are not similar is any fashion as one is a break through go with the meds (Foch) and the other is sit behind the heavies and deal good damage to heavies or anyone that pokes out infront of the gun (jag)
latent wyvern
It is cancer to aim at a small lower plate like Foch's with an E100 for example. Even fully aimed shots are hitting the ground many times. I'm thinking about how often I've also bounced of the trollish cupola.. "Aim for the weakspots it isn't that hard" - Not very helpful lol
tawny sail
honestly, in my opinion, the Foch is fine. Give it a few months and everyone will know how its autoloader works and it will be inadvertently nerfed as the playerbase will know how to deal with it.
also im not here to give you a step by step guide on how to aim for weakspots, im just here to give my opinion on if a tank is balanced or not.
Also, since this whole conversation started with how 'broken the dpm is on the Foch' why dont you complain about the FV4005 as it has MORE dpm (wow i know, who would've thought) and better speed, accuracy, AND, wait for it, IT HAS A TURRET. which means it doesnt break camo when it needs to aim at things, unlike the Foch
indigo knot
Foch has armour while 4005 does not and foch has better camo than 4005
grizzled sleet
Take the current autoloader out and bring a smaller caliber (autoloader)to it, also love how they legit know it can bully the grille so I'm glad the devs wanna see the grille die in a hole
worthy portal
Can you please buff M103's Armor because Its Like a Meduim Tank One of the most soft Hts in Wotb
grizzled sleet
Exactly you said it right in the sentence "like a medium tank" go play it with your team's meds and you'll be fine
manic birch
Is it possible for the BT-7 Arty to get HEAT ammunition? Can the Light VIC and T7 Car get a dmg buff?
nimble zodiac
No, they are Collector tanks for a reason
quick lichen
@unique scaffold what am I wrong about?
distant river
@tawny sail You think the foch is fine how it is? You need to get off whatever you are on. DPM+clip+alpha+speed+armour=OP. There is no other way of putting it.
tawny sail
Its just not OP. it can be easily penned on the front and extremely easily penned by HE on the sides. Its gun has high dpm, average accuracy. Its not OP, strong yes, OP no.
drifting depot
Hey, remember that normal tech tree tanks (without counting tds) don't have that much penetration values, and even like that if the foch angles itself a little it's impenetrable from everywhere except the hatch
tawny sail
thats why you use pramo, which everyone one, apart from apparently everyone here, does.
drifting depot
That's the thing, prammo isn't supposed to be used on things like a foch, it's supposed to be used on hard to pen heavy-hull down tanks or stuff like that and no one likes throwing money away like if it was to easy unless they had like 5 million spare credits but since everyone is always grinding except for those guys that just want the biggest guns/dont want to grind so they stay with what they have not really much people have them
round sundial
Try looking at the Foch with your medium tank, it's all red even with HEAT. Also I'm sad that someone deleted my joke, it was relevant to the discussion😂
noble siren
Hey guys why we don't return the previous values on the turret armor on obj140 and t62A, because WG doesn't have any problems anymore with camping hills and hull-down gameplay?
mellow cape
@round sundial Foch 155 sides can't be penned by 151mm+ guns now either, the side armor was buffed to 80mm a while ago, so no more overmatching
also for some reason, the autoloader gun has a FASTER aim time, which is just absurd
ruby oriole
I think the foch needs a nerf to its gun and a bigger weakspot (make it stronger so that angling can help). Also, @tawny sail, 75mm of side armour is not that easy for the HE to pen. Keep the good frontal armour and mobility, because thats what makes the foch. Add bigger weakspots and nerf the gun to keep it more balanced
round sundial
Oh, I wasn't paying attention to that. Yeah, another point to everyone who disagrees with 007 E: Actually it's 75mm but the point still stands