#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 140

unique scaffold Aug 16, 2019, 6:57 AM

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Mm

inland sluice Aug 16, 2019, 7:01 AM

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hello a have question, the Leopard 1 is good tank ?

slim rivet Aug 16, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Yes it is. Requires some skills / experience tho. @inland sluice

inland sluice Aug 16, 2019, 7:12 AM

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Okay thank you! I'm at leopard pt 1, and hey I do not hide it is a little long to have but I would have by the end of the year, good day on the battlefield !

sonic phoenix Aug 16, 2019, 7:28 AM

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Do we have any decisions on adding more rounds for the FV215B (183)?

shy wren Aug 16, 2019, 7:35 AM

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There’s enough rounds for the tank to clear the entire team

distant river Aug 16, 2019, 7:41 AM

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1 round is too much ammo for the 183 to have because it shouldnt exist in blitz 🤷

elfin marlin Aug 16, 2019, 8:01 AM

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Yes it does

unique scaffold Aug 16, 2019, 8:35 AM

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Wow i cannot believe chiha so suk

blazing pilot Aug 16, 2019, 8:57 AM

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T54 Mod 1. need a nerf, its soooooo broken

formal forge Aug 16, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Its an premuim tank so no. They wont

full token Aug 16, 2019, 8:59 AM

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They can nerf premium tanks if they want to

noble siren Aug 16, 2019, 8:59 AM

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If I can see one "balanced" buff for one of the German tier 10 tanks it would be nice

mental nymph Aug 16, 2019, 9:31 AM

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Why did they say get ready for a new season does it mean all of us have start again

sand olive Aug 16, 2019, 9:51 AM

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I haven't minded the badger being in-game, but I recently started playing maus again and you can't even pen it's LOWER PLATE with AP? If this badger stays like it's now, might aswell quit playing tier 9-10.

deft owl Aug 16, 2019, 10:30 AM

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@full token Cough Cough Dracula, helsing, Wz-120-1g FT Cough

full token Aug 16, 2019, 10:31 AM

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I guess they don’t want to nerf those

sage thicket Aug 16, 2019, 10:38 AM

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WG: “T22 is perfectly balanced”
Also WG:

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crisp palm Aug 16, 2019, 10:43 AM

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Cant wait to see a full t22 rush during twister tournament 😂 🔫 👌

vale timber Aug 16, 2019, 10:44 AM

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Hahha so true

thorn kestrel Aug 16, 2019, 10:44 AM

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But but power2weight ratio is lacking!!! We all know the acronym p2w ain't for power2weight but pay2win

near wing Aug 16, 2019, 10:48 AM

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@sage thicket that rarest is lie i saw 3 in one game

sage thicket Aug 16, 2019, 10:57 AM

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Who deleted my reactions...

limber pecan Aug 16, 2019, 10:58 AM

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Accurate

crisp palm Aug 16, 2019, 10:59 AM

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Ayy lmao

slim rivet Aug 16, 2019, 11:02 AM

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There are 250 t22 in game (for 4600 mk6 for instance) @near wing -update I ve just seen 2 in the same game haha

indigo knot Aug 16, 2019, 11:14 AM

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i saw 3 T22 in the game ....
@slim rivet and yesterday only you said there are not many T22 and today its on sale....lmao

calm ruin Aug 16, 2019, 11:17 AM

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Lul

crisp palm Aug 16, 2019, 11:26 AM

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The reasons why there are so many chieftans is the fact it was sold in crates for multiple time and also for idk 20k+ gold 😂 ...where t22 is crate "exclusive" and put it on sale more rarerly than chief

unkempt root Aug 16, 2019, 11:29 AM

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stb

indigo knot Aug 16, 2019, 11:42 AM

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The reason it is on sale for the first time in such a long time coz everyone knows it is OP......it will be once in a year sale and blitzfair I hope

opaque rover Aug 16, 2019, 11:55 AM

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LOL, there is no thing as OP, you only havent found out where to shot, or what to load whit 😛

sage thicket Aug 16, 2019, 12:04 PM

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Are u talking about t22? @opaque rover

opaque rover Aug 16, 2019, 12:05 PM

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every tank :/

crisp palm Aug 16, 2019, 12:15 PM

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Big xDDDD

noble siren Aug 16, 2019, 12:17 PM

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@opaque rover bruh🤦🏿

opaque rover Aug 16, 2019, 12:38 PM

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if you know where to aim, and what ammo to use where, there is no OP tank

quick lichen Aug 16, 2019, 12:40 PM

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That’s not true at all

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You can pen every tank if you know where to aim but armor alone doesn’t make a tank op

noble siren Aug 16, 2019, 12:43 PM

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@opaque rover 🤦🏿 🤦🏿 🤦🏿

quick lichen Aug 16, 2019, 12:45 PM

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Wz 120 1ft is op because it’s fast, has really strong frontal armor, high dpm, god tier pen, aim time, gun handling and quick shell velocity

unique scaffold Aug 16, 2019, 12:49 PM

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And it turns like it's on ice.

stoic light Aug 16, 2019, 1:00 PM

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I’m honestly happy the t-22 is a crate tank so less people drive the op thing 🤷‍♂️

craggy badger Aug 16, 2019, 1:14 PM

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Do you think the Smasher is op and needs to be nerfed next

thick rover Aug 16, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Ahaha yea for me

opaque rover Aug 16, 2019, 1:33 PM

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no, its not OP :/ just face it and get it killed

sage thicket Aug 16, 2019, 1:39 PM

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It’s OP when tank has better characteristics than others @opaque rover

distant river Aug 16, 2019, 1:40 PM

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T22 being sold is a good thing. It means there is a good chance it will make it onto the charts in #devs-answers and it will get nerfed, hopefully to a balenced state (if WG can actually handle such a momentous task)

boreal crag Aug 16, 2019, 1:41 PM

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my only opinion about smasher is: nerf it, the fastest the better, even an amx 13 75 cant pen its front only with apcr. @dense walrus erm ik how to aim

queen mason Aug 16, 2019, 1:43 PM

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@boreal crag you can easily pen the front plate of a smasher with any shell in tier 7, I really don’t think you know how to aim.. but yes I agree, they need to nerf the smasher a tad bit.

@boreal crag For one, I know this is going to curse me with bad MM for saying this but, I don’t spend money on blitz for one and two I don’t own a smasher, I know how to fight them but it’s hard of course. I think it NEEDS a nerf but it can be penned in the front with any shell (besides HE) and I don’t think your aiming correctly still.

boreal crag Aug 16, 2019, 1:51 PM

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@queen mason again I KNOW how to aim ok??? @dense walrus you 2 just probably have smasher and you dont want it to get nerfed... also stop mentioning me my ping is going crazy rn. @dense walrus ur the stupid one here bet u have smasher and u dont want it to be nerfed

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@dense walrus also ik how to pen smasher so stop saying that and stop pinging me will you?

meager spruce Aug 16, 2019, 2:04 PM

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Then why did you say you can't pen Smasher with amx 13 75 using ap? You just confused yourself bud

full token Aug 16, 2019, 2:26 PM

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I think he said he can’t pen it even with apcr...

queen mason Aug 16, 2019, 2:26 PM

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That’s because he doesn’t know where he is aiming even with apcr..

visual nimbus Aug 16, 2019, 2:47 PM

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I feel the prices won’t be stopping many people lol. T-22 has been obsessed over for a while now :^

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coral nova Aug 16, 2019, 3:17 PM

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@indigo knot it’s on sale rn becuz there trying to fix there issue before twister to quote on quote make it even for all teams

indigo knot Aug 16, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Yeah yesterday only I said to someone that before twister they will be selling it....but crates 😏
Gl eSports teams

fathom tulip Aug 16, 2019, 3:56 PM

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hello it s possible to get the return of mad gmaes but whit more possiblity to choice any modification for veicules but on compensation no credit win or lose or exp . this like training but for permanent bc is very fun for this or just add madd games mod on training mods

jagged helm Aug 16, 2019, 3:56 PM

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mild falcon Aug 16, 2019, 4:14 PM

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Buff t49?

distant river Aug 16, 2019, 4:17 PM

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It just needs APCR/AP instead of HEAT

slim rivet Aug 16, 2019, 4:33 PM

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It’s on sale cause I said yesterday there weren’t Many in game. Now I say it needs a BUFF #reversepsychology

simple geode Aug 16, 2019, 4:36 PM

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in my opinion the name change should only cost 1000 gold, it takes wayyy to long to get 2.5k from ads and containers alone-it takes 20 days' worth of ads to get to 1k gold, with containers it would probably fluctuate at ~2 weeks to 3 weeks, since ads don't always pop up consistently until you finish the first advertisement
and what about the other things you can buy with gold? Quite a few low-tier premium tanks cost 2.5k ish gold. So basically a name change=premium tank, or more, if you're smart and get an offer from the shop. Plus the name change isn't even that big of a deal, it should be something small but the gold cost is used so players must be cautious on whether they spend gold on a good username or if they will regret it the next day and also to prevent name-change spam.

unique scaffold Aug 16, 2019, 4:46 PM

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@simple geode what in the world does that have to do with vehicle balance???

simple geode Aug 16, 2019, 4:49 PM

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oh is this not the channel for game feature improvements? sorry 😅
do you know what channel that would be?

jagged helm Aug 16, 2019, 4:50 PM

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U are not supposed to change ur name freely lol

stoic acorn Aug 16, 2019, 5:19 PM

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The AMX 30 B modules need reworking, every shot an enemy fires (Ap) always hits my fuel tank

simple geode Aug 16, 2019, 5:23 PM

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ik you arent supposed to, but 2.5k gold is a lot for a name change
other games are much easier for name changes or are free but have a time limit like 2 weeks or a month

stoic acorn Aug 16, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Or you get 1 free name change

round sundial Aug 16, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Yeah, I'm stuck with a name my super creative 14yo came up with, so yeeeea XD

unique scaffold Aug 16, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Folks this isn't the name change discussion channel.

noble siren Aug 16, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Well lets hope that they will finally nerf T-22

wet quail Aug 16, 2019, 5:42 PM

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After selling it in crates? Are you high

winged barn Aug 16, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Just kill them. They usually think they are invincible and sit in the open

noble siren Aug 16, 2019, 6:06 PM

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bruh the STB with buffed armor on the cupola is very cool idea, now i want buff on the turret armor on leo too

tired sky Aug 16, 2019, 6:29 PM

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The Foch has broken the fcking game....

noble siren Aug 16, 2019, 6:40 PM

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@tired sky like fv4005, T22, a and more "balanced" tanks

meager spruce Aug 16, 2019, 6:42 PM

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I would say that FV4005 is OK as it is.

unique scaffold Aug 16, 2019, 6:50 PM

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@meager spruce I agree

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It's the size of a apartment building and made out of recycled cans. If someone gets clipped out by it they made a silly mistake and need to learn from it instead of wanting to nerf the tank that did it.

noble siren Aug 16, 2019, 6:52 PM

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made out of paper but has liner

unique scaffold Aug 16, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Still is a giant target.

noble siren Aug 16, 2019, 7:21 PM

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remove its liner and it will be balanced

azure tiger Aug 16, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Am I the only one who don’t think the t22 is so op ??

keen junco Aug 16, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Funny

visual nimbus Aug 16, 2019, 7:24 PM

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I wouldn’t say 4005 is OP. Yes it’s a great damage dealer but it gets punished very easily.

distant river Aug 16, 2019, 7:24 PM

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It gets punished but *helpful" consumables allow it to avoid the worst punishment.

@compact nymph compare it to the 140 (already a good tank) and tell me it isnt OP

@grave bear yeah 1 is balenced 1 isn't. But 140 is the closest equivalent we have

compact nymph Aug 16, 2019, 7:27 PM

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@azure tiger It's not OP. I own it and if you overangle, you get instant-punished. The pen really sucks

grave bear Aug 16, 2019, 7:28 PM

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T-22 and 140 are a bit different tho.
people seems to forget NORMALIZATION is a thing, and APs with 6 degrees of normalization eats 35% of effectiveness.
T22 med has paper frontal armor, its pretty slow, weights nothing and can get rammed by anything, has nkt even close pin point accuracy or super dpm like 140, has a crappy awful 240 apcr standard shell which is trash compared to 240 ap.

visual nimbus Aug 16, 2019, 7:35 PM

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T-22 is right in the middle for me. If you can hit your shots it can go down like any other medium. I also find that a lot of people drive around thinking it’s indestructible. Though It’s troll armor can really be a game changer at times.

noble siren Aug 16, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Fv4005 can easily go in front of E100 deal 1200+ damage return back and be punished for maximum 800damage this is not balanced, the liner is something which has no place in this game

slim rivet Aug 16, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Évidemment qu il est OP @azure tiger

grave bear Aug 16, 2019, 7:58 PM

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@noble siren its called damage trade and its the point of any autoloader or high alpha damage gun
an Fv183 can came in front of t62a and deal 1400 dmg but t62a can do only 310 THiS is UnBalAnCEd¡¡¡¡!¡!!!

@deft owl Dude keep calm and chill its a damned example, and plus its sarcasm about the stupid sentence above this msg.

noble siren Aug 16, 2019, 7:59 PM

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The fv183 is now good at this stage, must remove the liner from fv4005. @vague pine meant the turret but forgot to redact. Why Leo cant have turret buff too?

deft owl Aug 16, 2019, 8:01 PM

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@grave bear Wow what an over-exaggration.

First of all Fv needs to pen with hesh round to deal that damage and 1400 is a high roll which rarely happens unless it fires the engine. Even tho If a T62a moves in front of Death star thats its own fault not the tank.

vague pine Aug 16, 2019, 8:04 PM

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@noble siren lol they Never buffed the commanders hatch of stb and moreover how you want to buff Leo’s armor? That’s stupid. Learn to play.

teal olive Aug 16, 2019, 8:07 PM

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@noble siren that has to be the stupidest argument for the FV being overpowered I’ve ever heard. Do you think ALL autoloaders should be nerfed then?? Because they can all do that. What about the 57. It can dish 1200 to the E100 and will only take 640 back. Should we nerf that too?

indigo knot Aug 16, 2019, 8:08 PM

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@grave bear you say a tad bit DPM less than 140 is less with that amazing armour....gun is same as 140 and the front can be troll when wiggled while the turret is impenetrable and it also gets 300 heat which can be 330 when using cali shells

noble siren Aug 16, 2019, 8:10 PM

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@teal olive You cant compare Fv4005 and T57. I didn't say that I want nerf on Fv4005, I said that I want WG to remove only the liner. I just think Fv should be punished the same way as Grille.

unique scaffold Aug 16, 2019, 8:10 PM

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This isn't a 1v1 game. Your example of a 4005 trading against a E-100 is kind of silly when looked at in the context of this being a team game.

distant river Aug 16, 2019, 8:12 PM

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Either everyone gets spall liner or no-one does, its not hard to work out that this is balenced for most people but WG seems to think in a, er, special way

vague pine Aug 16, 2019, 8:16 PM

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@noble siren why the bat Chat can’t have 1000000 mm of turret armor? Look, the Leo is not meant to have armor. In real Life and ingame. This tank has such a powerful gun and easily keeps up with a batchat. Combined with nice camo, viewrange and one of the best gun depression it has everything but no armor. Imagine the Leo would have an stb turret!!! Well this tank would be the most overpowered thing in the game. As I said, it’s not meant to be a brawler on the medium flank. It’s a medium to long range supporter/sniper. And you can rip every other med (exempt for the Russian meds) into parts because your dpm is very high

teal olive Aug 16, 2019, 8:26 PM

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@noble siren but the difference here, is the grille absorbs HE shots and is a tiny target compared to the Fv. I cant remember the last time my tank was so tall, I couldn’t properly hide it behind certain cover. It’s ridiculous and in my opinion, the tank needs the provision.

nimble zodiac Aug 16, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Well there is popping off 960 on the FV4005 and you get 3 seconds not to get that same damage back...

unique scaffold Aug 16, 2019, 8:42 PM

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@tired sky watch your language please

weak schooner Aug 16, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Did they nerf FV 183? I have less shells in tank... After 6.2

I'm pretty sure there were more shells than 15 before update. I always carry 10/5/and few HE

grave bear Aug 16, 2019, 8:54 PM

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no. mag size has always been the ssme

thick trail Aug 16, 2019, 9:01 PM

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if anyone says to nerf the kv2 then ima make sure i get you with mine in game

unique scaffold Aug 16, 2019, 9:03 PM

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KV-2 deserved the nerf.

exotic light Aug 16, 2019, 9:08 PM

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is there any area can we report a bug?

dim field Aug 16, 2019, 9:12 PM

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@exotic light depending on which server you are you can go to one of the channels under "Technical issues"

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unique scaffold Aug 16, 2019, 9:12 PM

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@exotic light technical issues channels.

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WG works really great. Chieftain mk6 can't pen lower front Plate of t54e1 gg well done

distant river Aug 16, 2019, 9:21 PM

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@thick trail good luck because most people that want a KV2 nerf play high tiers instead of ruining tier 6 games 🤷

nimble zodiac Aug 16, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Nah, KV-2 was only fun for the person driving it. Also RNG prolly took the shell either to a armored nose point or very low where angles get extreme

unique scaffold Aug 16, 2019, 9:42 PM

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@thick trail watch your language here. That was your warning.

thick trail Aug 16, 2019, 9:43 PM

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didn't know you were on here

unique scaffold Aug 16, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Irrelevant. Don't curse on this server.

nimble zodiac Aug 16, 2019, 9:56 PM

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Did he really think just because mods aren’t there he can curse .-. and 2. Did Panther II get a buff, I didn’t notice it in BHangar

thick trail Aug 16, 2019, 10:06 PM

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1 This is america and i have the right and freedom to say what i want; 2 i am angry about the kv2 nerf and i want to say my feelings about it

brisk lily Aug 16, 2019, 10:09 PM

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this places has rules that are supposed to be followed
Also rights doesn’t mean you can not follow the rules and not get a warning for violating them

little crest Aug 16, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Only the gun mantlet of the tank, otherwise it would be completely unbalanced @noble siren

quick lichen Aug 16, 2019, 10:30 PM

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@thick trail this server is not America and abides by a different set of rules

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You are welcome to leave if you don’t like/can’t follow them

wet quail Aug 16, 2019, 10:59 PM

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You can’t say ur American and get away with everything 😂😂, classic American ignorance

cyan frost Aug 16, 2019, 10:59 PM

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this dude getting rekt

crystal spoke Aug 16, 2019, 11:06 PM

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The first amendment isnt even absolute

unique scaffold Aug 16, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Ey soup

earnest portal Aug 17, 2019, 12:33 AM

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talk about unbalanced tank try playing the M5A1 sturat you can not pen much in a 5 battle 😦 let alone a 4

rotund scarab Aug 17, 2019, 12:41 AM

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@thick trail
Doesn’t understand freedom of speech.
Start your own app and curse all you want.
@wet quail he doesn’t represent America. Just the ______ ones. (I censored myself)

unique scaffold Aug 17, 2019, 1:11 AM

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Eyyyy

drifting depot Aug 17, 2019, 1:35 AM

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So I know how people feels about the kv2 currently but why not giving ap a little penetration buff Doug, if the he Nerf was to encourage people to use ap then at least make it a little more usable it had almost the same pen as he before so it's reaaaally hard to pen with it specially with the existance of rng edit: or at least let it use heat for better premium ammo pen/just give current premium a better pen

visual nimbus Aug 17, 2019, 1:41 AM

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I think a pen buff to its AP would be nice

mortal wasp Aug 17, 2019, 1:42 AM

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Wow 2/3 battles in a row ok, 14 times today,last game of 2/3,heavies can’t seal the deal. Is that gonna be me when I get to tier 8/9/10? I hope not.

drifting depot Aug 17, 2019, 1:49 AM

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I also know that the cannon is smaller and skinnier than most other 152mm cannons/equals but I'm pretty sure that in real life the ammo would perform the same regardless of how long or how thick the cannon is this only affecting the accuracy with the range, wich of course the kv2 already has less accuracy than other 152mm cannons

oblique light Aug 17, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Is this tank good? what do you think of him

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drifting depot Aug 17, 2019, 2:49 AM

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I feel like it's a little op but not at the same time but that kind of stuff doesn't go here, go ask at #general-blitz-discussion or something @oblique light

safe copper Aug 17, 2019, 2:50 AM

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If the mbt70 is op then Ill delete my blitz account

hot sun Aug 17, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Kpf is nice

grizzled sleet Aug 17, 2019, 3:20 AM

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It's rather great in it's current state, a pen buff would do good and then it's just perfectly balanced

blazing brook Aug 17, 2019, 3:22 AM

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英語わかんないよꉂ(◍>ω<◍)

thick rover Aug 17, 2019, 3:38 AM

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Um wrong server

tidal trench Aug 17, 2019, 3:43 AM

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Why did the M-5 have to be changed? It was my favorite tank but now it's not... the game just seems boring now

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Like it seriously makes me mad

hot sun Aug 17, 2019, 3:55 AM

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You know, the low tiers got nerfed because people complained about seal clubbers, so um in a way, players themselves playing and complaining about low tiers are the reason they got nerfed 👀

tidal trench Aug 17, 2019, 4:03 AM

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I just now wasted pretty much all of my boosters because I didn't know they changed it. I died pretty much instantly and only got 46 damage.
And why is the slowmode set for 10 minutes if people aren't even very active on here?

full token Aug 17, 2019, 4:04 AM

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Allows them to collect feedback more easily than if people could post every second

near wing Aug 17, 2019, 4:38 AM

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@tidal trench try the panzer 3 it does 80 dmg a shot

tidal trench Aug 17, 2019, 4:40 AM

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Nah i have a KV-1 that does 220 damage

odd sandal Aug 17, 2019, 5:16 AM

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ew I use kv1 derp, 85mm is outdated

unique scaffold Aug 17, 2019, 6:40 AM

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Japanese heavies ._.

near wing Aug 17, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Its a fake leak @unique scaffold its just a mod for the muas

ruby karma Aug 17, 2019, 7:27 AM

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What the heck! T14?
Why did T14 like... not so strong.

regal arrow Aug 17, 2019, 9:28 AM

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Please buff the ISU152... it is very vulnerable and it’s to worts to play with

hot sun Aug 17, 2019, 9:32 AM

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Mm will be crazy for awhile. It's a new update, meaning many many people ,old and new,will be playing and checking it out. Just give it time MM will become more stable :/

proper osprey Aug 17, 2019, 9:35 AM

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they always say so but every update ist for the worst

proper osprey Aug 17, 2019, 9:58 AM

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WG i understan you want new players and make it easyer for them to win more, but this way you lose the old players and the new players will often leave after a vile. So no wonder this game lose more and more players.

jade cargoBOT Aug 17, 2019, 10:23 AM

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dynoSuccess Pancake_Blitz#7585 has been warned.

unique scaffold Aug 17, 2019, 10:27 AM

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@proper osprey read the pinned messages here

proper osprey Aug 17, 2019, 10:32 AM

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link. dont have time to scroll all day

shy wren Aug 17, 2019, 10:36 AM

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You don’t need to scroll smh, it’s under pinned messages 🤦🏻‍♂️

noble siren Aug 17, 2019, 11:24 AM

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can we nerf the maximum damage on Fv's Hesh with 150 damage? Being shot in E50 for 1650 is not normal

queen stag Aug 17, 2019, 11:43 AM

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please buff T110E5

indigo knot Aug 17, 2019, 12:10 PM

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Please buff Conquerer ...give it a little more gun depression like 8 or 9 deg

slim rivet Aug 17, 2019, 12:11 PM

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Nice même @indigo knot

thick rover Aug 17, 2019, 12:13 PM

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1 degree more would be good I guess

unique scaffold Aug 17, 2019, 12:20 PM

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If we are handing out gun depression the KpfPz is going to cut in line.

thick rover Aug 17, 2019, 12:42 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

quick lichen Aug 17, 2019, 12:58 PM

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@indigo knot bro the conqueror just got mega buffed 😂

fossil marten Aug 17, 2019, 1:06 PM

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Could anyone from WG explain to me why the SAu40 is such a steaming 💩 of a tank? It has absolutely no redeeming features that I can see 🤨 I thought you’d realised the error of your ways with tumour hatches when you started removing them from the US tanks, but it seems you just moved them and stuck all of them on this thing!!!! As Bushka would say, this thing needs some love. And then some.

cerulean agate Aug 17, 2019, 1:11 PM

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Here's an underrated tier6 tank, chaffee, why does the dam thing move like a medium tank?! 54 kph with a (20)bad power to weight is really infuriating, and traverse(44*-slow af), the cromwell, which is a better "light" has better traverse. I seriously want to love this tank but dam it is slow.

teal olive Aug 17, 2019, 3:19 PM

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@fossil marten looks like somebody’s grinding for the Foch autoloader

vague pine Aug 17, 2019, 3:22 PM

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@fossil marten yeah I agree but the amx30b works with the hatch. But they also could give it its old armor back.

indigo knot Aug 17, 2019, 3:22 PM

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@quick lichen i don't use them...used them only when was grinding stock gun
I am hoping they will be removed by WG

quick lichen Aug 17, 2019, 3:25 PM

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The consumables are a huge buff to them

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Conq has over 2100 hp now with consumables

fossil marten Aug 17, 2019, 3:34 PM

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@teal olive yep, finally started the French TD line and OMG do I wish I didn’t bother. This tank is probably my pick for Turd of the Whole Game. It’s shockingly bad. The tumour is just impossible to work around. @vague pine I’m not really understanding the comparison with a 30B?

vague pine Aug 17, 2019, 3:35 PM

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30b has tumor too but at least it has turret, its fast has acceptable gun, some armor unlike the Sau

indigo knot Aug 17, 2019, 3:36 PM

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So I should use it ...huh
Welp I was thinking it will be a failure like spare parts and hoping they will be removed but now I think I am gonna use it

crude pumice Aug 17, 2019, 3:58 PM

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OP tank add again, WG must nerf some premium tanks.

drifting depot Aug 17, 2019, 4:13 PM

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Am I the only one who thinks the lttb needs a little Nerf? It is more a medium than a light tank at its current state except that it's reaaaally fast

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It's still bouncing a lot for a light tank and don't ping me please

unique scaffold Aug 17, 2019, 4:29 PM

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The LTTB doesn't need a Nerf.

scenic portal Aug 17, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Buff 183 mobility

twilit crystal Aug 17, 2019, 5:07 PM

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for some reason, i never liked the lttb even when it was considered OP

full token Aug 17, 2019, 5:10 PM

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I liked the charioteer more after the nerf

dusky bay Aug 17, 2019, 5:20 PM

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His rotation turret is very slow -_-

full token Aug 17, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Still a good tank

fleet stump Aug 17, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Buff Smasher because it cant one shot a Vk 100 :c

crisp palm Aug 17, 2019, 5:37 PM

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👀

crystal wyvern Aug 17, 2019, 5:45 PM

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My 252U got penned I request an armor buff pls

drifting depot Aug 17, 2019, 7:23 PM

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And remember commrades, the only way to stop Russian tank is dead tank

quick tide Aug 17, 2019, 7:49 PM

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unique scaffold Aug 17, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Why was that plate 83mm in the first place like wth, that’s better at sidescraping than most top tier heavies

cloud spruce Aug 17, 2019, 8:17 PM

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Tier 7 French TD
just a horrible piece of crap wtf is this

drifting depot Aug 17, 2019, 8:19 PM

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You just don't know how to use it, you have a lot of speed a lot of firepower and some really nice armor specially compared to other tds basically you have a heavy armored td with a lot of speed

lunar niche Aug 17, 2019, 8:46 PM

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@quick tide Could be an error from the app. Check Maus, the app shows 185 mm for the front hull and 160mm for side.

gaunt coyote Aug 17, 2019, 9:53 PM

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You guys tried the Black Prince yet?😂
1600+ hitpoints at T7, plausibility to absorb shells at -20% dmg and on top of that the plausibility to increase your speed 8km/h for 19 seconds.
If that is not enough combine it with 160 Alfa gun that shoots every 3.2 seconds👏 👏

Overpowered with the consumables? WG said that consumables doesn't make tanks overpowered so I guess not then. I'll just keep clubbing with this beast. 👌 🙏

hushed fox Aug 17, 2019, 9:59 PM

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I’m grinding to it, almost there. Saw Void clubbing in a BP toon last night

supple thistle Aug 17, 2019, 10:09 PM

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The Black Wince is still a very sluggish tank and does not have very good penetration on that fast firing gun. Face down an IS3 and see how well it works against it. It's a very good tank sure, but it's not even the best heavy at tier 7.

safe copper Aug 17, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Is3 would probably haft to spam premium to effectively pen

keen junco Aug 17, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Is there a hit skin bug on t22? I shot the hull (fully transparent) with stb1 apcr and it kept bouncing

slim rivet Aug 17, 2019, 10:58 PM

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Good players managed to have 2k + average damages with it. I prefer not to imagine what they can do now with the new consumables @supple thistle vs armored t8 just spam pramo for an EZ pen. Not to mention that well angled u can also deflect some shots

supple thistle Aug 17, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Good players manage to have 2k average damages with The SP1C. You can't judge a tank on what Unicums can pull off, because they're Unicums and that's what they do regardless of tank. In reality, the BP struggles to pen anything above tier 7 that's armored, is still a slow brick, has zones of armor that are weak and a not that strong turret, still poor alpha regardless of the fire rate and is absolutely screwed by even heavies flanking it.

grave bear Aug 17, 2019, 11:02 PM

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@lunar niche blitz hangar is showing the same 83mm spaced plate being 3mm.

simple iris Aug 17, 2019, 11:10 PM

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oof

vague pine Aug 17, 2019, 11:10 PM

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@supple thistle and an e75 Face down an Is3. Is 3 is now bad huh? No it’s not. You can’t compare 2 different tiers.

keen junco Aug 17, 2019, 11:15 PM

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The reason why black prince isnt getting nerfed is because the stats say that it isnt broken: it has a pretty low wr and its damage per battle is the lowest of t7 tech tree tanks. But id say its one of the best t7 heavies from what ive seen ( screenshots with 5k dmg)

supple thistle Aug 17, 2019, 11:16 PM

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The difference being an IS3 can at least pen the E75 at a flat angle or the hatch, whol the IS3 to a BP is entirely red from the front and has a measly 160 alpha

Not only that, you'll have trouble penning nearly any of the tier 7 heavies from the front. The T28 will bounce half your shots even if it isn't hull down. The Tiger P has that tiny lower plate for you to hit. The KV3 has enough to give you trouble. The only ones you will reliably pen will be the Tiger 1,and that's a stretch, the AMX and the IS

grave bear Aug 17, 2019, 11:18 PM

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fun fact: IS3 can pen BP with closely no aim
BP can bounce only with frontal mid autobounce plate

twilit crystal Aug 17, 2019, 11:20 PM

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oh yeah the joke thing, My t71 can pen a vk100p from the front but not a is3, yet one tank goes 40 kmh and the other goes 20

latent snow Aug 17, 2019, 11:32 PM

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The lower plates of both vk 100 p and vk 168 are pennable face on by pretty much all tanks they will meet

fleet stump Aug 17, 2019, 11:32 PM

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T71 with a auto-reloader, THE DREAM

vague pine Aug 17, 2019, 11:33 PM

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@supple thistle good Luck penning and e75 at the front with your is3‘s ap shell or hitting the hatch. Just load APCR in you BP and the entire front of is3 is grey.

grave bear Aug 17, 2019, 11:40 PM

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IS3 with cs has pretty nice pen lmao

supple thistle Aug 17, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Have fun plucking away at an IS3 for 135 damage while he hits you for 400 and backs up like all IS3s do

Tw IS3 at least has a chance with AP, unlike the BP. And what are you going to do for all th tier 7s you can't easily pen? Premium for them too? Sure, you'll get through, and sure, you'll win, but if tanks are overpowered because they can spam pramo at everything that sounds more like a problem with pramo than the tank

twilit crystal Aug 17, 2019, 11:49 PM

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i mean 175 pen is enough for any tier 7, even mediums do fine with 145 to 150

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im saying ti pen other tier 7s not tier 8s

vague pine Aug 18, 2019, 12:00 AM

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@supple thistle what the hell is your problem with the BP? Tell me your ingame name. More and more you complain the more and more I think you have 40% wr let me check if you have understand the game yet!

teal olive Aug 18, 2019, 12:08 AM

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@vague pine he has a bit of a point. While I don’t 100% agree with it, I can see where he’s coming from. The black prince can easily be hit for 400 by any competent heavy player. And it does have insane dpm, however the enemy can just back up and reload while the black prince struggles to push with its 20KMH top speed. It struggles massively in that aspect

vague pine Aug 18, 2019, 12:11 AM

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Therefore you have now these consumables. And if you (not talking to you) use at least 2 braincells you wouldn’t trade with a 400 Alpha gun. You can sidescrape or play hulldown. No need to peek and trade. Just play with your brain.

supple thistle Aug 18, 2019, 12:18 AM

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I have no problem with the BP. You have a problem with what the balance discussion is for. The BP is a strong tank that has a myriad of weaknesses to keep it in check. Instead of acknowledging that maybe no one is going to sit there while you pluck them for 160 all day, you instead try to say that since I don't have good stats I don't understand that sitting in front of a tank that plucks people for 160 is a bad idea.

Now in case you didn't notice, Blitz is a dynamic game. You don't always get to pick what you're up against in which way. There are situations in which the Black Prince is good and there are situations where it isn't. Not only that, the enemy is attempting to do the same to you. You can't always sidescrape, you can't always be hull down and you can't always avoid being in a situation where you end up in front of an IS3, or even a Tiger P.

vague pine Aug 18, 2019, 12:24 AM

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Yes that’s all right but if you use your brain and thinking before doing you can get these situations much less often. And every tank has performs different in different situations. You@have written some texts that sounded like the BP is bad and get rekt by any other tank. So pls Write next time a Little different. That last text I totally agree with. Now you point it out correctly.

deft owl Aug 18, 2019, 12:35 AM

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@twilit crystal 175 pen is not enough everytime especially for a tank that goes at 20 kph all the time.

twilit crystal Aug 18, 2019, 12:37 AM

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175 pen is enough to pen other tier 7's lol

nimble zodiac Aug 18, 2019, 12:45 AM

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Helsing has 170mm of pen, and yet we call it OP. Care to explain? @deft owl

hushed fox Aug 18, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Yea buff the Helsing!! 🤠

full token Aug 18, 2019, 2:46 AM

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BP was good as it was. The consumables make it even better now

jade cargoBOT Aug 18, 2019, 3:35 AM

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dynoSuccess JCR23#2960 has been warned.

winged barn Aug 18, 2019, 4:25 AM

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If the is3 decides to back up into cover you can always break its track with the prince

frank urchin Aug 18, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Increase armor profile of exp but lower the penetration value of its gun

marsh citrus Aug 18, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Did centurion 7/1 speed get nerfed on patch 6.1？

twin egret Aug 18, 2019, 5:46 AM

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FV4202 turret buff yeah?

teal olive Aug 18, 2019, 5:54 AM

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No

twin egret Aug 18, 2019, 5:56 AM

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The cupola size historically inaccurate, so is turret ring armor (240)

nimble zodiac Aug 18, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Turret ring don’t matter if you can hit the rest of the turret 😂

harsh ravine Aug 18, 2019, 6:43 AM

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they messed up on the historical armour of some British tanks like the Conqueror. I wouldn’t care if the Conqueror has to sacrifice some DPM in order to gain actual turret armor

deep pike Aug 18, 2019, 6:49 AM

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yeah

full token Aug 18, 2019, 7:01 AM

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Since when was the game historically accurate

frank urchin Aug 18, 2019, 7:08 AM

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Since u arrived

twin egret Aug 18, 2019, 7:21 AM

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@nimble zodiac cough Hull down? T1 Cannington was best tier 1

fast meteor Aug 18, 2019, 7:45 AM

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Bullying grille is now way much easy using foch
Thanks wg u will make many grille players leave the game

crude pumice Aug 18, 2019, 8:16 AM

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4005 need nerf turret traverse

twin egret Aug 18, 2019, 8:32 AM

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how? it has 14mm all around, giving it a slower turret traverse would make no sense

thick rover Aug 18, 2019, 8:43 AM

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@fast meteor I agree :((

pallid pewter Aug 18, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Nerf Foch Autoloader

formal forge Aug 18, 2019, 9:11 AM

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I hope they do the next update. 16s for the whole clip to reload is waaay too short. Give it like 18s or better: more. Plus nerf the accuraty/dispersion.

noble siren Aug 18, 2019, 9:18 AM

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Nerf Foch's autoloader because its OP. @formal forge bruh what 16sec and they call this balanced? The Jg E100 has more reload time and do way worse damage.

slim rivet Aug 18, 2019, 9:40 AM

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Accuracy / dispersion are already awe full. If WG wants to nerf the foch, they d probably increase the reload time @pallid pewter

ripe oasis Aug 18, 2019, 9:42 AM

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Me trying to enjoy a kv2 game: why aren't my shots hitting fully aimed? Did they nerf the accuracy?

Proceeds to look at the stats: oh, 0.575 dispersion. Nice one wargaming 😒

My input?

There was no need to nerf the accuracy any further. Why reduce the pen at all if you're going to make the gun more inaccurate?
It's Overkill
What's the point of trying to aim at weak spots which are harder to get if they aren't gonna hit 80% of the time now? Makes no sense

Insert many sweaty kids typing

fiery flame Aug 18, 2019, 9:44 AM

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@ripe oasis you ask why, it’s simple. WG want people to stop playing the KV2 and ruining tier 6

cunning kindle Aug 18, 2019, 9:44 AM

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^
mAkE lOw TiErS gReAt AgAiN

Wg nerfs kv2 so one shot factor no longer exists
This guy : surprised pikachu face

dense yoke Aug 18, 2019, 9:45 AM

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^ yeah everytime i play tier 6 in 6.1 i always see people in kv2

ripe oasis Aug 18, 2019, 9:53 AM

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There it is

The thing wasn't even that op to begin with, now its pretty much as useless as it's 120 (doesn't mean I'm gonna stop playing it, no matter how much they try to ruin the experience)
The mm changes are more than enough to get new players to learn the game better against players who are at the same skill level
I'd love to argue/debate but it always ends with me getting teamed on or warned because someone called me a name but I call them it back. Yet only I get in trouble for it 👌😂

The mm changes are great though, first thing I've looked forward to in a wot update since v5.whatever

cunning kindle Aug 18, 2019, 10:06 AM

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Never called it op, but other players getting one shotted doesnt make the game fun for them, they donot understand how HE works (i blame the tutorial for this) so ur definition of fun at tier 6 is not someone elses definition of fun
The mm doesnt put u against newer players but even some players having more than 5k battles donot kno abt HE
Also that gun is not even the top gun for the tank

So all in all wg nerfed kv2 to make tier 6 more enjoyable

I sense su 152 will also get nerfed sometime soon

distant river Aug 18, 2019, 10:10 AM

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Su152 is much more balenced than the KV2 because it cant see tier 5s (ignoring failtoons) but it can still 1 shot. I would say nerfing the HE pen by about 15mm would make it more balenced but the KV2s 152 should just be removed.

ripe oasis Aug 18, 2019, 10:19 AM

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And I also blamed the tutorials, I've gone on plenty of rants on how to make the game more enjoyable and how much better tutorials can teach newer players how to play, the current tutorial doesn't tell you anything about the game other than how to move, use a consumable, and shoot
The whole 'armor" part of it is a joke in a half and could be much emore easily explained.
I've also argued that reducing all the low tiers is going to make new players come in and just get bored of the lack of diversity. A REALLY bad move on them

My friend gave the game a try and I had to repeatedly reassure him tier 5 and up is much less repetitive and boring, and he quit at tier 3 because he found it too repetitive and undiverse.

What wargaming should have done rather than destroying the kv2 was simply remove it from tje game and make it a collector, the t150 would have been much more suitable

distant river Aug 18, 2019, 10:23 AM

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They should have removed the 152 when they made it a collectors as well.

ripe oasis Aug 18, 2019, 10:30 AM

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Nah, I wouldn't say remove the 152
It's what makes the kv2 a kv2, removing it would be a sin
But then again wargaming has already sinned by removed the 105 off the poor t82 and throwing that awful 75mm on it instead of the 3pdr but we won't talk about that because THAT tank was op for it's tier
Seeing as alot of old players who have the kv2 are leaving because they're either bored by having so many premium offers thrown at them cuz greed or just sick of the direction the game is heading
As someone who's played for over 4 years I can say I've lost almost all my enjoyment in the game because I'm seeing everything I knew crumble down, and the things I actually did deem enjoyable are just gone. The only thing I can say that I believe is positive from wargamingis they stopped with the pay to win events
(Aka those cursed crate events)
Wargaming doesn't seem to value the older plays like they used to, but what do I know? I've only played for four years

cunning kindle Aug 18, 2019, 10:33 AM

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Anything below tier 9 is far from enjoyable unless u r willing to spend money

I firmly believe tier 8 and 7 will never be a balanced tier ever coz of the premiums

ripe oasis Aug 18, 2019, 10:41 AM

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They really need to balance some premiums out
I consider tier 7-8 the fantasy zone, self explanatory for my reasons lmao
I have 7 tier 10s, could have 9 if I really wanted. And I don't enjoy tier 10. I always got noobs on my team, but maybe with the new mm changes that'll be different

Here is my personal opinion on the tiers

1-4 should have been left alone entirely except a very small select few tanks

5-6 were fine

7-8 is fantasy pay to win zone that will always have more and more overpowered premiums coming in (can't wait to see how broken the premium e75 is going to be 😒 bet it's gonna be a crate thing or 100$)

9 is the golden zone in my opinion

10... Eh, I never have fun in 10 so I don't have a real opinion about it

Just my opinions after all, you don't have to agree with them

rancid flame Aug 18, 2019, 10:44 AM

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imagine actually trying to bring balance to this shoddy game

unique scaffold Aug 18, 2019, 11:06 AM

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Warscam

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round sundial Aug 18, 2019, 11:09 AM

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Turns out it was probably a bug in the app, apparently armour wasn't changed on the tank in 6.2

fathom gulch Aug 18, 2019, 11:11 AM

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Dudes really??? AMX 155 is a beast now outmatch every rival ! That must be nerfed or game could be a down soon for real

lapis jacinth Aug 18, 2019, 11:16 AM

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Since the newest updates! My WR% dropped even more..

dusky oxide Aug 18, 2019, 11:20 AM

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Must be the games fault

slim rivet Aug 18, 2019, 12:06 PM

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Same for all @lapis jacinth

quick tide Aug 18, 2019, 12:59 PM

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Im ok with foch i was bored of IS-4 raping tournaments now we got t22 and foch

fathom gulch Aug 18, 2019, 1:00 PM

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New matchmaker system just seem ti be screwd up with normal one now u r only with noobs either u r pro or not

white vessel Aug 18, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Ok

unique scaffold Aug 18, 2019, 1:55 PM

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Nerf smasher

tranquil nova Aug 18, 2019, 2:01 PM

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@unique scaffold
Yeah, absolutely..
WG buffed the tank so everyone will pay or grind to get Foch.. then when everyone gets it they will nerf it just like Conway and Charioteer.

gusty geyser Aug 18, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Kv 2 need more nerf oof

stable idol Aug 18, 2019, 2:18 PM

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What

noble siren Aug 18, 2019, 2:42 PM

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@unique scaffold ok pro tell me why the tank is not OP?

grave bear Aug 18, 2019, 2:44 PM

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Lmao foch is not op 😂😂
the 2nd fastest td with closely thw best armor, and now with a broken dpm 640 alpha dmg gun, with no cons of an autoloader since 16s for a 1280 dmg clip is nothing.
after 6.2 any td excluding fv4005 and foch 155b disappeared from MM 🤷‍♀️
especially the very good obj268 and powerhouse

quick lichen Aug 18, 2019, 2:46 PM

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Which is only 2 seconds longer than the single shot*

unique scaffold Aug 18, 2019, 2:49 PM

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@quick lichen it worked thank you

quick lichen Aug 18, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Mhmmm

void mortar Aug 18, 2019, 2:53 PM

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So WG ghostbuffed is7 too. Are they giving us patch notes?

Im not going to wait that timer so i type here.

Before 6.2 patch do you remember how powerless you felt against is4 when facehugging with is7? Well that is over now you can shoot everything through from upper plate. Before your gundep wasnt enough to aim upper plate and now you can do it. Go try training room yourself!

thick rover Aug 18, 2019, 2:53 PM

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They did?!

shy wren Aug 18, 2019, 2:54 PM

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In what way did they ghost buff the IS-7?

deft owl Aug 18, 2019, 2:57 PM

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@nimble zodiac penetration isnt the thing that make helsing op. Its flexibility that makes it op.

quick lichen Aug 18, 2019, 3:05 PM

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@void mortar screen shots please

void mortar Aug 18, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Go try yourself @quick lichen Its taken yamato flat ground and he shot me that time so its red because of that

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quick lichen Aug 18, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Looks still too red to pen

past willow Aug 18, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Maybe he put 4% extra armor

grave bear Aug 18, 2019, 3:08 PM

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why is is4 red ? its easy pen for fv215b ap
is7 so useless lmao
yes but 261 is enough to pen is4 front, mayve is7 is too short
useless tank anyway, got no buffs

@unique scaffoldis7 got NO ghost buffs.

quick lichen Aug 18, 2019, 3:08 PM

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No. He’s saying is7 got buffed. Not the is4

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Is7 isn’t running calibrated I don’t think

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@void mortar he ap penned your cheeks by the looks of things

unique scaffold Aug 18, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Was that the only ghost buff ? I swear the is7 has become more harder to pierce in the front

gusty geyser Aug 18, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Player in wotb discord after update 6.2

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exotic light Aug 18, 2019, 3:27 PM

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i want to ask something about the new MM when a normal player plays with a newbie player in platoon do the MM put them in regular battle or newbie battles or they randomly mix it?

twin egret Aug 18, 2019, 3:36 PM

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instead of complaining how "KV-2 Weak", why not try higher tiers
Low tiers where it was is just plain awful, seal clubbers running around
and not to mention new incoming players with lack of experience running around too

karmic steeple Aug 18, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Just switch the t150 back in for the kv2

void mortar Aug 18, 2019, 4:14 PM

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@unique scaffold is7 front armor became harder to pen when pen rng changes came out. This isnt about is7 armor its about gundep

grave bear Aug 18, 2019, 4:42 PM

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k

unique scaffold Aug 18, 2019, 4:42 PM

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@junior hare #clan-recruitment

noble siren Aug 18, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Е50 needs buff on its frontal plate on the turret

keen breach Aug 18, 2019, 5:38 PM

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YUP !.!

flat bane Aug 18, 2019, 5:45 PM

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YES YES

crimson cosmos Aug 18, 2019, 5:56 PM

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I’d love to know why the ChiCom 59 Patton gets an armor buff while the American and British versions, who started with less armor, get no help at all. Just seems illogical to me. 🤨

noble siren Aug 18, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Maybe because it will be event tank if im not wrong

nimble zodiac Aug 18, 2019, 6:25 PM

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E 50 is fine, meant to combat meds, wiggle around with your turret and you’ll make the gun mantlet a good use

fiery flame Aug 18, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Yes

flat bane Aug 18, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Agreed

noble siren Aug 18, 2019, 7:57 PM

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So when is the nerf on the Foch?

unique scaffold Aug 18, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Any day now.

fiery flame Aug 18, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Yes

unique scaffold Aug 18, 2019, 8:13 PM

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@junior hare English only

quick tide Aug 18, 2019, 8:16 PM

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This is balance at finest

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twin egret Aug 18, 2019, 8:28 PM

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ooo that word isn't allowed

jade cargoBOT Aug 18, 2019, 8:28 PM

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dynoSuccess DraconyxGaming [_V2_]#1426 was muted

lapis jacinth Aug 18, 2019, 8:59 PM

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Yah.
WR seriously.. The balancing is even far worse.. Losing too much makes me losing interests in this game..

I fought hard to up my WR%.. now is not good. 😞

frank bane Aug 18, 2019, 9:27 PM

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i agree

azure tiger Aug 18, 2019, 9:33 PM

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So , will the Foch be nerf ? Or it’s only a rumor ? <@&481447501690568709> do u know ? I ask if they know about a rumor ... @grave bear

indigo knot Aug 18, 2019, 9:34 PM

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Depends on stats
Hopefully it will

grave bear Aug 18, 2019, 9:35 PM

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fun fact: discord moderators= NOT developers

stable mist Aug 18, 2019, 9:36 PM

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hey

unique scaffold Aug 18, 2019, 9:46 PM

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@azure tiger dude we just moderate discord. Most of us have the save info you do and those who know more can't talk about it.

azure tiger Aug 18, 2019, 9:49 PM

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But do there are rumors?

fleet stump Aug 18, 2019, 10:07 PM

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Just re-release the O-47 and I am happy 💜

crystal spoke Aug 18, 2019, 10:10 PM

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I'm kinda surprised they haven't in so long

slim rivet Aug 18, 2019, 10:14 PM

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No rumor as far as I know. Dev should collect data before tho @azure tiger

unique scaffold Aug 18, 2019, 11:24 PM

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invite me to a clan pls

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Dont ping the mods for that stuff they just moderate this place

unique scaffold Aug 18, 2019, 11:50 PM

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You can’t explain to some people standard logic

red condor Aug 19, 2019, 2:30 AM

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You can’t fix stupid...

dim field Aug 19, 2019, 3:50 AM

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...Stupid is forever

flat bane Aug 19, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Y'all just going to talk about "stupidity" in this chat from now on?

dim field Aug 19, 2019, 4:04 AM

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You can't fix stupid.. stupid is forever is a reference

unique scaffold Aug 19, 2019, 4:24 AM

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Stupid is eternal

rugged aurora Aug 19, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Fv183 needs to be buffed, change my mind

lime flint Aug 19, 2019, 4:49 AM

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amen

crisp palm Aug 19, 2019, 5:19 AM

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Xd

regal thorn Aug 19, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Foch really needs a need when I mean nerf I mean an actual nerf, FV4005 is pointless at this point cause of its reload and DMG. Foch can do 1k damage in one magazine, and also has speed.Fv does like 400 average dmg with Ap and that is in total like 1.2k dmg in like 20sec

full token Aug 19, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Fv does 1380 dmg in a clip (460x3). Foch does 1280 dmg in a clip (640 x 2)

cunning kindle Aug 19, 2019, 6:00 AM

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Yea man, they also have the same armor ,its not like one of those two is susceptible to taking a 1000 dmg every time it peeks

past willow Aug 19, 2019, 6:08 AM

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'Marketing Strategy'

oak lava Aug 19, 2019, 6:28 AM

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After update KV-2 Set new petrenarate HE 90 to 80 mm that i sell my KV-2 and i so angry in new update pls set HE petrenarate to 85 mm

fleet stump Aug 19, 2019, 6:37 AM

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Poor 80mm HE on Tier 6 lel. Still strong asf. O.o

hasty glen Aug 19, 2019, 6:42 AM

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Ping is fine. But with ping average 20-30 with loss: 100-200%. How is even possible ?

distant river Aug 19, 2019, 6:48 AM

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@oak lava then the update has done its job, go play a balenced tank instead of destroying tier 6

noble siren Aug 19, 2019, 7:29 AM

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Oooh poor people who have 6k battles in Kv 2 now they can't completely destroy tier 5-6 ;-;

junior hare Aug 19, 2019, 8:22 AM

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helo somone needs a klan minimumt6 ps im a startingclan nd only have 2 members

craggy kayak Aug 19, 2019, 8:45 AM

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Wz 121 need pv buff and dpm

noble siren Aug 19, 2019, 10:17 AM

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Leo needs gun mantlet buff

meager spruce Aug 19, 2019, 10:20 AM

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@noble siren which Leopard? Regardless neither of the leopards needs a buff.

slim rivet Aug 19, 2019, 10:22 AM

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With t57, amx50b, foch and stb 1 buffs -not to mention the re-release of mk6 and t22- i would tend to be more indulgent with some1 asking for a leo1 buff

vague pine Aug 19, 2019, 10:26 AM

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But not in its armor. Best way to buff making the just all the way broken

noble siren Aug 19, 2019, 10:58 AM

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Well I want buff on the Leopard 1 because why not if we got these very disappointing buffs like Foch, British heavies, STB, the American and French autoloaders.¯_(ツ)_/¯

indigo knot Aug 19, 2019, 11:50 AM

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Leo1 needs turret traverse buff and aim time buff same as 121b(2.5sec fully equipped) or turret traverse buff and Dpm buff

slim rivet Aug 19, 2019, 11:52 AM

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Wuuuut

frigid sky Aug 19, 2019, 12:07 PM

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Are u claiming that the Leo has a inaccurate gun 😂?

grave bear Aug 19, 2019, 12:13 PM

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no, but imo leo1 MUST be equipped with the ABSOLUTE most accurate gun. buff min accuracy a bit to 0.234 with refined optics and make bloom/aimtime slightly better than t62a.

fiery flame Aug 19, 2019, 12:13 PM

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Leo doesn’t need a buff, git gud nabs

Edit: the STB armour buff was deserved, it was a pretty meh tank compared to all other mediums @noble siren

noble siren Aug 19, 2019, 12:15 PM

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@fiery flame STB didn't need buff neither Foch, and all British heavies but hey. Edit: "STB= meh tank" lol

grave bear Aug 19, 2019, 12:26 PM

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stb now is too good
just like foch and brit heavies
well foch is broken atm.

noble siren Aug 19, 2019, 12:36 PM

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I just want little more armor on Leopard's gun mantlet so it can bounce more. The only difference between STB and Leo is that Leo is faster and STB can occupy every hill.

grave bear Aug 19, 2019, 12:37 PM

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it would be broken lmao.
if you buff tanks' weak points you're destroying balance.
Leo1 is a fast super accurate paper tank, but not fast /accurate enough to be 0 armored so, buff accuracy or mobility.

lunar niche Aug 19, 2019, 12:38 PM

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Faster aiming time with lower dispersion values while on the move. The gun trolls me way too much.

Or maybe give it HEP instead of HE like on PC. Will that make it OP?

viscid crypt Aug 19, 2019, 1:10 PM

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Lower conway's second gun pen and DMG

latent snow Aug 19, 2019, 1:11 PM

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It’s already been nerfed :/

unique scaffold Aug 19, 2019, 1:26 PM

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In order to reach the 1st place in the evaluation you have to be an extremely good player, to invest extraordinarily long + a lot of stress! To reach up to 6000-7000 evaluation you have to play extremely many battles! all things for 3k gold? In this case, it is not very difficult to meet, they play very well for the world, they are not rewarded for a measure, it is worth noting at all while they can change. instead of adding something to the care it deserves to be playing, being foe or the extremely big competitor, captivating the players .. you give 3k gold what is that?

indigo knot Aug 19, 2019, 1:59 PM

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The bloom of Leo1 becomes big every time you move and aim time is 2.8sec fully equiped while T62a has 2.2sec fullly equiped so most use refined gun to get best accuracy in the game with good soft stats and aim time while
it is difficult to carry in leo1 towards the end of the game
You need to put the damage early in the game and exploit enemies by flanking but it is difficult in it if your team is incompetent
I have seen even 70%er getting flogged in it
You can farm damage in current leo1 and not win unless you are nickace or ufpnjh or some other Ru server stat padder.....i would rather win than farming dmg

unique scaffold Aug 19, 2019, 2:08 PM

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As a leopard 1 ace the bloom of it isn’t that bad especially since I’ve played other meds close to it but I do agree it needs a slight aim time buff

frigid monolith Aug 19, 2019, 2:09 PM

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The 62’s gun is also just a joke

hasty vortex Aug 19, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Addition

teal olive Aug 19, 2019, 2:21 PM

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The 62A’s gun is a laser beam, but because people cant seem to ever use Low gun depression tanks, the winrate statistics will never show how good the tank really is.

frigid monolith Aug 19, 2019, 2:22 PM

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I never understood the player base’s issues with Russian meds. The Mod1 is still one of the top tier eights but nobody ever runs it anymore. May just be me being insane though

acoustic shard Aug 19, 2019, 2:24 PM

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When people found out Heat and apcr are indeed a thing. the mod 1 became less popular.

unique scaffold Aug 19, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Because fight fire with fire

grave bear Aug 19, 2019, 3:09 PM

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@teal olive t62a has a laser gun but has awful penetration compared to obj 140 (240AP is much much better) or leo 1.

junior prairie Aug 19, 2019, 3:11 PM

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Since when 62a has less penetration then obj 140?

stoic pebble Aug 19, 2019, 3:22 PM

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I'm pretty sure he's referring to AP's superior normalization compared to APCR. Despite the fact that the 140 has lower AP pen, the 62A's APCR has trash normalization meaning against anything that isn't a flat surface, the 140 should have superior pen.

distant slate Aug 19, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Hey guys quick question is it possible to have 11000 battles and only 127 average damage points or is this one of the so called robot accounts put in battles by the devs ?

slim rivet Aug 19, 2019, 3:27 PM

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If in doubt, report the account (ticket) @distant slate

frigid monolith Aug 19, 2019, 3:41 PM

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I used to have a clanmate with 35000 games and a 200 average damage. He is a US combat veteran and suffered a significant brain injury in Iraq. He only played the game as a form of therapy

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I personally have never seen a true bot outside the new player MM. Yes, there is such a thing. If you are a new account, you get thrown in with other new players until you reach tier five, or possibly hit a certain number of battles (last part there is purely speculation), and legitimate bots appear there. The most flagrant example I ever saw was three tanks sitting in front of the mines hill. There was one red left, and every time the red was spotted, the bots turned their turrets at him, but the instant the red went unspotted, the bots turned their turrets back to the front of their tank. This kept happening for a good two minutes

slim rivet Aug 19, 2019, 3:57 PM

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I ve met a guy 2 or 3 times, he was just following the red line around the map. Thousands of battles.

toxic hornet Aug 19, 2019, 4:59 PM

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What would people think if they added a feature where you can gift tanks, gold and credits to friends?

full token Aug 19, 2019, 5:02 PM

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They removed it too, so it’s not so likely to get added again

unique scaffold Aug 19, 2019, 5:04 PM

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#tank-balance-discussion folks

grave bear Aug 19, 2019, 5:15 PM

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@dense walrus @junior prairie Exactly..... 240 AP is WAYYY better than 245 apcr, people here seem to have no clue about shell normalization.
240 AP is on pair or even better against very sloped plates than leo1 apcr.

junior prairie Aug 19, 2019, 5:27 PM

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As for me people reading too much information and playing less battles.... Because in reality I would prefer Leo or t62a gun everytime over obj 140. But that's just my opinion

signal shoal Aug 19, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Pls nerf Smasher reaload time

frigid monolith Aug 19, 2019, 5:47 PM

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They won’t

unique scaffold Aug 19, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Who for Platoon and who IS french

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WG, why is Proggeto ducted instead of a gun rammer? @wargaming

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It’s an autoloader also please a leopard buff

noble siren Aug 19, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Gun mantlet :D?

unique scaffold Aug 19, 2019, 6:09 PM

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This is no autolouader

slim rivet Aug 19, 2019, 6:21 PM

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I have a terrible problem. My bloody strawberry avatar expired and I don’t like the permanent bloody strawberry avatar (cause of the blue border). Send help please! @dense walrus what if I get a light bulb avatar? I can’t play without strawberry 😿

unique scaffold Aug 19, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Actually nerf the hatch of the e3 it’s too trollish

round sundial Aug 19, 2019, 6:42 PM

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E3 hatch is easily shot by HE for significant damage, as it will splash thru the roof. 310 alpha guns do 100 dmg per shot with HE on it, which is quite significant tbh

noble siren Aug 19, 2019, 6:49 PM

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E3 must have the same hatch as E4

round sundial Aug 19, 2019, 6:56 PM

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It already has one of the worst if not the worst TD gun, it must keep it's armour

warped anchor Aug 19, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Nice meme it has a better gun then the e4,also the tank has 8 degrees of gun depression

formal forge Aug 19, 2019, 6:59 PM

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The hatch is unpennable against meduims and some heavies. If hulldown its like an ‘badger’ with an 640 alpha gun

vague pine Aug 19, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Why complaining about e3 when autoloader foch is yoloing around?

charred bobcat Aug 19, 2019, 7:03 PM

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@junior prairie lmao theoretically and in practice, the 140 has better pen than the t62a due to normalization, but most 40%ers dont notice the difference because they bounce all their shots anyways

junior prairie Aug 19, 2019, 7:13 PM

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@charred bobcat I will always choose accuracy over stabilaization.
And give 40%er re-roll act, they would be 60% ers as well😄

formal forge Aug 19, 2019, 7:13 PM

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@warped anchor its actually exact same gun but its turretless so it has little bit better gun handeling. About the foch 155... it doesnt make sense... lesss aiming time?!, just adding an little bit of dispersion? Really? In my opinion the Foch before 6.2 needed a buff give it like more armor and better gun handeling then the obj 268 it was underrated. But give it an autoloader? Okay but with stats omg... i would like in the next update getting nerfed by doing: more reloading time for the whole clip, increasing the disperion and the aiming time

warped anchor Aug 19, 2019, 7:16 PM

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The e3 has better gun handling,better armor and 2x better cupola,also 2 degrees of gun depression more which is a huge difference then the e4,its slightly slower and it has a turret but I would take the armor alone.the e3 is balanced in a way because of the weak sides and its easily trackable but to say it has a bad gun for a td thats why I said nice meme also fun fact its faster then the jageru with better overall armor so yea

unique scaffold Aug 19, 2019, 7:18 PM

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The E4 has 394 Gold pen max If the E3 shares the shame gun which I believe it does it can pen everything

gaunt coyote Aug 19, 2019, 7:24 PM

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@formal forge the dispersion was already bad and now it is even worse so yea the dispersion was a big nerf

winged barn Aug 19, 2019, 7:30 PM

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It got a dpm buff and burst damage buff at the same time. That overshadows the dispersion a bit

grave bear Aug 19, 2019, 7:46 PM

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@junior prairie so you played bad, because obj140 has wayy better gun than t62a.

plus, obj140 has literally same on the move accuracy as t62a, 0.300 min accuracy is still enough for a flanker tank.

vapid swallow Aug 19, 2019, 7:52 PM

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@slim rivet you joking right?

grave bear Aug 19, 2019, 7:57 PM

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how can he be serious xD

fiery turtle Aug 19, 2019, 7:59 PM

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Suggested Smasher Nerfs (to base figures, no equipment no provisions)

AP penetration: -10 mm
HEAT penetration: -30 mm
HE penetration: -5 mm
Rate of fire: -0.5 shots/min
Shell velocity: -125 m/sec
Aim time: +0.75 sec
Dispersion: +0.1
Gun Depression: -1
Gun Elevation: -3
Terrain Resistance: +0.1 / +0.1 / +0.1
Hull Traverse: -3 degrees/sec
Camo [still, moving]: -6% / -3%
Camo after shot: -1.5% / -0.5%

These changes will make the Smasher’s gun worse than the SU-152’s (but still a lot better than the KV-2’s). Gun depression, hull traverse and camo ratings are a lot closer to the KV-2’s.

grave bear Aug 19, 2019, 8:21 PM

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^^^^ these changes will make smasher a very very good tank

slim rivet Aug 19, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Cause u didn’t pay enough attention to the buff regarding terrain resistance @grave bear

junior prairie Aug 19, 2019, 8:32 PM

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@grave bear I'm not saying I am superunicum, but every time i play obj 140 , I have those suicide mission mates who just dying in 2 minutes.... I really start believing this tank is cursed for me. This is why I don't like everything that belong to this tank

grave bear Aug 19, 2019, 8:38 PM

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but that should havw nothing to do with standard round pen 🤷‍♀️

deft owl Aug 19, 2019, 8:40 PM

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@noble siren "E3 must have the same hatch as E4"

I dont think anything in world sounds more stupid then this claim.

junior prairie Aug 19, 2019, 8:51 PM

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@grave bear That's the point, doesn't matter how good your gun is, if you don't have team

noble siren Aug 19, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Do u know what was stupid the consumables for the British tanks. It's not like the only frontal weak spot for E3 is its lower plate which is 50/50 penable, your cupola is unpenable so there is no reason why should not ask about nerf on the cupola

celest marlin Aug 19, 2019, 8:54 PM

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The E3 has a very small area around the gun that has very little armor (not 100% sure how much) and can actually be HE’d by 150 mm guns, and penned very easily with regular ammunition by every tank at tier 9 and 10

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grave bear Aug 19, 2019, 8:56 PM

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The only good thing about E3 is the fact to be closely unpenetrable if hulldown.
why would someone use e3 if has AP penetrable huge sized hatch??

unique scaffold Aug 19, 2019, 9:56 PM

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The hatch can’t even be penned by a leopard 1 with callibrated shells or mk 6 prem rounds with callibrated shells

grave bear Aug 19, 2019, 10:06 PM

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so sad they're not supposed to pen that since leo1 is a med and has same heat pen as any other one, and mk6 has the worst HT gold pen second only to is7.

frigid monolith Aug 20, 2019, 12:17 AM

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Here we go again with the MK6’s pen

loud heron Aug 20, 2019, 12:26 AM

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Love to see the smasher get eliminated from game or get a really big nerf

frigid monolith Aug 20, 2019, 12:39 AM

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So would all non-smasher owners. It won’t happen though

deft owl Aug 20, 2019, 1:51 AM

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@noble siren I wont waste my time on you to explain why E3 should have a strong cuppola. Just use your brain cells and figure it out yourself.

visual nimbus Aug 20, 2019, 2:41 AM

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E3 has horrible traverse and it’s side armor isn’t all that great...along with some pretty weak tracks.

open mountain Aug 20, 2019, 2:53 AM

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Ahh yes. The KV-2 nerf

lime mesa Aug 20, 2019, 3:24 AM

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No...

unique scaffold Aug 20, 2019, 3:42 AM

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People are still defending the kv2?

twin egret Aug 20, 2019, 3:51 AM

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I mean, the badger is kinda better than the E3 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

arctic sluice Aug 20, 2019, 3:53 AM

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It's prem/rare
Should be better

stoic pebble Aug 20, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Yeah I can’t wait to buy a better tank to be more competetive. Prems should be different, not a flat out upgrade. This is the problem with the 279e and the CW chieftain on pc. Don’t bring it to blitz.

unique scaffold Aug 20, 2019, 4:30 AM

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CW chieftain on PC is contradicted in the way you just said it’s a clan wars tank it’s awarded to the top clans ofc it’s gonna be way different

twin egret Aug 20, 2019, 4:33 AM

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what's CW chieftain

charred bobcat Aug 20, 2019, 4:47 AM

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@twin egret badger is definitely not better than e3. e3 is far more reliable and can dominate flanks to change the course of the battle that a badger is unable to do

small tinsel Aug 20, 2019, 4:58 AM

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E3 is better than Badger.. by a long shot..

flat bane Aug 20, 2019, 4:59 AM

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I'll take a E3 over a Badger any day. It's a bit more mobile ( well it feels more mobile). Plus the 155mm helps a lot.

stoic pebble Aug 20, 2019, 5:03 AM

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Completely different as in basically a direct super conqueror upgrade? I don’t want that. I don’t want a premium E5 that does what the E5 does but better. Also giving the best players better tanks to abuse isn’t good for the game either. Release more stuff like the 30b since that thing at least has a unique playstyle and doesn’t make another vehicle obsolete.

unique scaffold Aug 20, 2019, 5:26 AM

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Ok the rof on the t22 medium is too op like seriously extreme armor for a medium extremely fast and the reload is like 5 seconds with very good pen

full willow Aug 20, 2019, 5:26 AM

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foch is too op

flat bane Aug 20, 2019, 5:31 AM

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183 needs a buff. Make the average dmg 1200, and the max HESH roll 2400. This should fix everything. Make the AP pen 350 as well. 😂

dawn plinth Aug 20, 2019, 6:07 AM

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Foch needs a nerf to the new autoloader maybe a pen nerf or a reload nerf. Also I would like to see the kpf pz 70 get a gun depression buff or maybe a DPM buff why reducing the reload time

latent snow Aug 20, 2019, 6:12 AM

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Is the m60 just a better m48? It is faster and has 1 extra degree of gun depression

flat bane Aug 20, 2019, 6:14 AM

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Considering WG sold the M60 for $100 last time. I'll say the M48 is better, because you're able to get it for free.

thick rover Aug 20, 2019, 6:30 AM

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I think they play different roles
M48 is frontline ridge fighting
M60 is second line sniping because better gun handling and less tough turret

grave bear Aug 20, 2019, 7:30 AM

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m60 has anyway trash gun handling

wet wharf Aug 20, 2019, 7:47 AM

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if you have m 48, don't bother with m 60

clever void Aug 20, 2019, 8:26 AM

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Ya. The m60 is truly not that good. M48 is great tank. But this STB buff made it kinda pointless....

slim rivet Aug 20, 2019, 8:49 AM

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Yeah I hate when a td dares to shoot at me

fiery turtle Aug 20, 2019, 8:54 AM

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The AT 2 has the QF 6-pdr AT Gun Mk. V.

But this gun has the same stats as the QF 6-pdr AT Gun Mk. IV. Which is the 6-pdr gun on the Tier IV Alecto. Just with almost double the rate of fire.

Now look at the Crusader's top gun. This is the QF 6-pdr Gun Mk. V. And it has 20 mm more penetration with AP than the AT version on the AT 2 and AT 7.

Yes, that's right. A Tier V light tank has more penetration with what is basically the same gun than a Tier V tank destroyer. Because reasons.

indigo knot Aug 20, 2019, 8:57 AM

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I will still pick M48 over Stb1 ....

clever void Aug 20, 2019, 8:57 AM

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Sounds like you suck @fast cave

winged barn Aug 20, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Play a tank with armor if you dont want to be HESHed @fast cave

vague pine Aug 20, 2019, 10:23 AM

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@fast cave exactly. At the moment the FV is quite good balanced. But I still hate it when you are at dead rail going to the bush to spot the medium flank and from the td bush on the other side of the map you get HEed. Then I always rage quit because of these stupid campers just sitting at the redline and ruin the game of any mediumdriver. At least the Fv 183 has now no camo value which makes it very ballanced

fast nest Aug 20, 2019, 10:45 AM

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wg should re-balance all low tier tanks, y all of them dumb as funk?

distant river Aug 20, 2019, 10:54 AM

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Low tier tanks are generally balenced. They arent too interesting but thats exactly how they are supposed to be to stop sealclubbers.

wet quail Aug 20, 2019, 11:01 AM

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@clever void this guys 62%+ doubt he sucks

fast nest Aug 20, 2019, 11:03 AM

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I just try to get the S35 CA n I saw a ton of seal clubbers in red team specially ke-ni otsu n covenanter players. I wanna said rebalance low tier, delete the stupid ke-ni otsu n give the tech tree back, how hard it can be?

distant river Aug 20, 2019, 11:04 AM

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The tech tree was removed as part of the rebalancing 🤦

full token Aug 20, 2019, 11:26 AM

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Hmm didn’t WG remove all the big damage guns from lower tiers? What troll guns do you mean?

distant river Aug 20, 2019, 11:41 AM

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Tier 5 to 8 is full of unique tanks and quite a few of them are troll. Tier 9 and 10 is the more competitive end of the game where you shouldnt be afraid of spotting because of all the spawn campers.

quick tide Aug 20, 2019, 11:44 AM

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@slim rivet 🤣🤣🤣 good one

young sapphire Aug 20, 2019, 12:10 PM

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Nerf Charioteer top gun it's too OP

noble siren Aug 20, 2019, 12:17 PM

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@young sapphire Charioteer is fine now, but I think Tankenstein would get buff on both guns because it's very underrated tank. What do you think?

mighty mica Aug 20, 2019, 12:29 PM

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buff Y5 ELC

shy wren Aug 20, 2019, 12:34 PM

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It’s fine as it is imo. Low silhouette, good DPM and reasonably mobile. Lackluster in terms of gun depression, but it’s not all that bad. Sure, it might be slightly worse than a Comet and a Bulldog in terms of gun depression, but I find the tank to be perfectly fine to drive.

jade cargoBOT Aug 20, 2019, 1:01 PM

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dynoSuccess Shogun_KRKN#5712 was muted

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dynoSuccess Shogun_KRKN#5712 was banned

teal olive Aug 20, 2019, 1:06 PM

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@quick lichen When did @fiery turtle ever say that the changes should be made just so the tank can be historically accurate? He mentioned it as a side note.

fiery turtle Aug 20, 2019, 1:07 PM

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WG should turn the Sherman Firefly into a TD. After all, it is the British counterpart to the Jackson.

Suggested changes:

remove top 470 hp engine, introduce new stock 425 hp engine
nerf terrain resistance to the same as the Sherman V
nerf hitpoints by 100
(This is to slow the tank down and discourage players from going front line in it.)
buff gun mantlet armour to 90 mm (Historically accurate)
buff aim time to 1.82 (same as Angry Connor)
buff dispersion to 0.307 (same as AT 8 and Loza’s Sherman)
buff camo ratings to the same as the M36 Jackson

The tank would be less nippy and more fragile, but would have quicker aiming and better gun accuracy. It would also have better camo, and may bounce a shot or two off its improved gun mantlet when hull down. Overall, it would feel less like a medium and more like a turreted TD, which is what it should be.

quick lichen Aug 20, 2019, 1:10 PM

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Right. Because wotb is all about historical accuracy

fleet stump Aug 20, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Yepp Look at the Kampfpanzer 70, halfed the Stats from the real Version x)

unique scaffold Aug 20, 2019, 1:35 PM

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@fleet stump we don’t need new broken tanks, we already have too many of them...

kindred valve Aug 20, 2019, 1:44 PM

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@fiery turtle 7pdr SP Achilles to be exact british counterpart of Jackson

twin egret Aug 20, 2019, 2:03 PM

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@fiery turtle heck no Sherman Firefly is already good as it is, too many players play it wrong and what's with the improved gun manlet. dispersion is already good

fleet stump Aug 20, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Bit more Gun Depression and I am happy

unique scaffold Aug 20, 2019, 2:12 PM

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I’d want slightly better gun stats maybe one more degree and I would be set

austere bone Aug 20, 2019, 2:14 PM

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My stats suck but I have a 61% wr in Sherman it's gun is so good good pen and amazing dpm

olive hawk Aug 20, 2019, 2:16 PM

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🤡

gleaming grove Aug 20, 2019, 2:23 PM

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Increase ru251 horsepower but drecrease firepower

unique scaffold Aug 20, 2019, 2:24 PM

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No

noble siren Aug 20, 2019, 2:26 PM

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2# What do you think about buff on both Tankensteins's guns the tank is not that good(I don't suck with it). Edit: If you want to say something about my idea tag me so I can know it's about it

frigid scarab Aug 20, 2019, 2:27 PM

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..

austere bone Aug 20, 2019, 2:27 PM

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I think t20 hull or dpm needs a major buff it's such a bad tank gets bullied by everyone

distant river Aug 20, 2019, 2:32 PM

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@austere bone if you are relying on your hull or dpm then you are playing the tank wrong

fleet stump Aug 20, 2019, 2:34 PM

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The T20 is very very good in compare to the Pershing.

gleaming grove Aug 20, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Buff centurion(tier8) dpm?

unique scaffold Aug 20, 2019, 2:37 PM

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@twin egret sorry for ignoring you earlier but on PC they didn’t get the MK6 chieftain despite being an old model in the game since 14 they finally released a chieftain for clan wars rewards hence CW chieftain

austere bone Aug 20, 2019, 2:40 PM

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@distant river yea I know use gun depression and use the turret but it's not like the tanks turret is unpenable its like a cdc with out the dpm and without the big amount of health and speed

gleaming grove Aug 20, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Buff t25 Traverse speed?
It speed is not bad but traverse speed is quietly slow

unique scaffold Aug 20, 2019, 2:51 PM

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If one tank should get a buff it’s the PZ 4 D. It is so trash, the Pz3 is much better and it’s T3.

austere bone Aug 20, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Buff wt Auf speed backwards it's so slow and it's not like it's gonna make the tank supper op by making it like 2kmh faster

rugged patio Aug 20, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Remove the new gun of the Foch, it’s broken ...

clever void Aug 20, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Nah. Just maybe rebalance a tiny bit

twilit crystal Aug 20, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Rebalance medium amount but dont remove

gleaming grove Aug 20, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Buff german engine survibility

unique scaffold Aug 20, 2019, 3:11 PM

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Buff leopard 1 gun accuracy and aim time? The mantlet for me is fine it bounces every time I get shot there

gleaming grove Aug 20, 2019, 3:12 PM

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Buff LT track survibility?

queen stag Aug 20, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Buff Obj263 gun Mantlet ??

noble siren Aug 20, 2019, 3:15 PM

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buff leo1 gun mantlet armor @unique scaffold

full token Aug 20, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Leo 1 armor is fine as it is. That’s probably the one area it lacks in. You can’t just reduce that weakness

halcyon vapor Aug 20, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Id really love to see russian meds with stronger turrets

indigo knot Aug 20, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Leo1 needs buff in aim time and soft stats(blooms) and turret traverse

fleet stump Aug 20, 2019, 3:48 PM

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@halcyon vapor and -14 Gun Depression

distant river Aug 20, 2019, 4:28 PM

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@austere bone so why dont you want a buff for the turret? The hull is supposed to be useles and buffing it to be bouncy would be a gigantic change

Also the WT is in need of a small nerf not a buff

unique scaffold Aug 20, 2019, 4:50 PM

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buff stürer emil

slim rivet Aug 20, 2019, 4:50 PM

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What about no @unique scaffold ?

austere bone Aug 20, 2019, 4:51 PM

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@distant river xD wt is very balanced but can use small touch UPS and because idk I like angling tanks a lot that was just my preference but it's tech tree line recommendes a stronger turret

distant river Aug 20, 2019, 4:56 PM

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WT is a great tank, its stats in devs answers are brought down by the lesser players who camp in it. The last thing the WT needs is a buff. It can easily farm out damage and it has a higher ace bar than quite a few tier 10s which should tell you something.

meager spruce Aug 20, 2019, 5:09 PM

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@distant river just a note only 55-65% players are included in the charts in devs-answers. And these players, at least imo are not morons

full token Aug 20, 2019, 5:12 PM

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^

distant river Aug 20, 2019, 5:31 PM

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If they camp in a WT then i count them as a worse player, and i have seen way too many 60%+ players doing exactly that.

bright terrace Aug 20, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Hi

meager spruce Aug 20, 2019, 6:05 PM

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@distant river tell me then what are you supposed to do? Be frontline with WT? Or maybe be the one who flanks but gets spotted and dies? Which one?

queen hemlock Aug 20, 2019, 6:38 PM

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@distant river mind the language please, when you refer to players who prefer as less agressive frontline gameplay style

distant river Aug 20, 2019, 6:43 PM

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@meager spruce you be second line support and actually useful, watching reloads and alies. When you are camping you are not using your turret or depression which are probably 2 of the biggest positive points about your tank. Camping is more useless than either of the other 2 options you provided.

@queen hemlock ok sure

unique scaffold Aug 20, 2019, 6:43 PM

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O

queen hemlock Aug 20, 2019, 6:44 PM

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Good to hear that, would you mind changing the two above posts? @distant river

meager spruce Aug 20, 2019, 6:51 PM

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@distant river TDs are made to change battle situation - example change an outcome of a duel between an ally and an enemy or to strike fear in enemies so they won't push a supremacy cap circle. Being second line you strike fear and no one dares push because you are spotted and no one likes receiving 640 dmg in the face meaning you don't get damage.
Wt auf PZ4 has pretty good cammo rating. Therefore that must be used. Sniping normally keeps you unspotted which is good for a paper thin TD. Also most sniping positions have a lot of shots on gaps of where enemies would normally come through. Meaning you are able to use that powerful gun without being spotted meaning you can reserve your hp to be the last plower.

wise dirge Aug 20, 2019, 6:53 PM

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The tank you don’t see is the one you should be afraid of

distant river Aug 20, 2019, 6:59 PM

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When you are second line you use your camo rating too. Also you actually get effective shots on players that need to get shot. When you are camping you get much less effective damage. When playing second line you get more shots, especially if you are smart, and you also distract the enemy as well as being a more intimating presence. If you are preventing the enemy from pushing you are doing your job great. It should not matter how much damage (too much) you are doing as long as you are helping your team to dominate the enemy and control the map

distant slate Aug 20, 2019, 7:19 PM

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I had a player on my team recently who had these stats and was in top tier 7 tank ,he also seemed to play like he was clueless? I just wander if this is a real player

distant river Aug 20, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Often smart players make what seems to be stupid decisions (occasionally they are) but its much more likely that it was someome else playing on the account or a sealclubber. @distant slate

clever void Aug 20, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Smart players also use their teammates as meat shields and it isn’t apparent that they are quite skilled until the later part of the game

distant slate Aug 20, 2019, 7:29 PM

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This player had 11500 games and average damage of 156 ? Is this one of the so named "bots"that are put into games to fill up the teams

distant river Aug 20, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Nope he is a sealclubber. Look at his list of tanks and sort them by number of battles and you will see that they are mostly tier 1 and 2. @distant slate

wise dirge Aug 20, 2019, 7:36 PM

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All teammates are bags of HP to me
EZ

distant slate Aug 20, 2019, 7:39 PM

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I did that he had same wr of sub 35% in most from tier 8 down and same amount of games

thick lynx Aug 20, 2019, 7:50 PM

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@distant slate

torpid birch Aug 20, 2019, 8:02 PM

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quick question but why is it impossible to make profit in the 113, i can have a 3k game not use any equipment but have 2 provisions on and lose 15k credit. is that i have to buy premium to have a chance at making a profit, is it possible to make profit without using my real life money and the exchange rate for my country is already on the poorer side

scarlet frigate Aug 20, 2019, 8:11 PM

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You meant consumables, but I know what you mean :/

distant river Aug 20, 2019, 8:14 PM

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@torpid birch you think you are supposed to make a profit at tier 10 when you are not playing a prem? 🤦

torpid birch Aug 20, 2019, 8:21 PM

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so when i get to 0 credit what am i supposed to do, dump cash into a prem tank and just sit and farm everyday

distant river Aug 20, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Yes you are supposed to buy a prem and farm credits from that. Recently almost everyone got the exp for free/extremely cheap and there have been loads of other events where you could get free prems so there is no reason to say you cannot play prems. The purpose of this game is to make money and so WG encourage playing prems (too much but hey). There are also many ways to save credits in battles like not running camo etc

nimble zodiac Aug 20, 2019, 8:25 PM

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@torpid birch or play tier I and regain momentum back towards high tiers

little gull Aug 20, 2019, 8:29 PM

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you saying he must go play some bad tank just to enjoy the tank hes worked for for about a month

nimble zodiac Aug 20, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Yes if he makes a risky investment that didn’t turn well

torpid birch Aug 20, 2019, 8:36 PM

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so basically every tier 10

crystal basin Aug 20, 2019, 8:44 PM

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@torpid birch reason why u lose on 113 is, because it repaircosts are broken compared To other tier 10 heavys. Example maus and E100 is around 11k and 113 is 22k credits To repair.

torpid birch Aug 20, 2019, 8:51 PM

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but that's the main problem I'm trying to get at, i can struggle to get prof in other t10, but 113 is a indefinite loss

slim rivet Aug 20, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Just fought against a foch toon helped by 2 t22. Couldn’t do anything. Tanks choices clearly determined the outcome of the game in this case. IMO their is not so much competitive tanks at the moment besides Foch, t22, t57/50b, fv215b. Mk6, 50m and 140 maybe.... idk, latest buffs are too obvious

vague pine Aug 20, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Well 140 you think so? I think stb1 is now the go to med after e50m (tech tree gonna)@slim rivet

round sundial Aug 20, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Yeah, I am very sad in my T62, being clearly outclassed by the STB. What does it do worse? The T62 has better gun handling, but everything else seems to go in favor of STB

distant river Aug 20, 2019, 9:40 PM

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@flat maple wrong channel and the new MM is unnoticeable

jade cargoBOT Aug 20, 2019, 10:01 PM

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dynoSuccess HERM3S THE BOT#6526 was banned

honest dagger Aug 20, 2019, 10:47 PM

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@round sundial if you think the stub outclasses the 62 your playing the 62 wrong

unique scaffold Aug 20, 2019, 11:25 PM

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B43

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some people are crazy

twin egret Aug 20, 2019, 11:36 PM

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love him or hate him, Calisota is spitin facts

nimble zodiac Aug 20, 2019, 11:40 PM

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I’m still scared of russian mediums, I believe they are fine, and yes I’m basing this off of my experiences with a 14mm turret 👀

kind swallow Aug 20, 2019, 11:46 PM

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3600 dpn still do its work

nimble zodiac Aug 20, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Against a hulldown, maybe

fickle obsidian Aug 21, 2019, 12:31 AM

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Meds are not usually a problem for me. I usually use the Maus and Obj. 263

steep pike Aug 21, 2019, 12:40 AM

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The Tier 7 KV3 needs a buff !!!

unique scaffold Aug 21, 2019, 12:40 AM

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Maus, you just spam HEAT on turret cheek
263, you just spam HEAT on gun mantlet

fickle obsidian Aug 21, 2019, 12:41 AM

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That's only if those two tanks hold still. Just wiggle and angle the armor

unique scaffold Aug 21, 2019, 1:01 AM

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No but okay @steep pike

steep pike Aug 21, 2019, 1:28 AM

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Its an awful Tank

crystal spoke Aug 21, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Not a huge one just one that makes it feel unique and not average

graceful garden Aug 21, 2019, 1:41 AM

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@steep pike it's not awful, it's just been powercreeped. It still is a decent enough tank

unique scaffold Aug 21, 2019, 2:26 AM

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turn wz120ft into a collector and nerf its armor

graceful garden Aug 21, 2019, 2:30 AM

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@unique scaffold it's a tank ppl paid money for so wg won't do it

winged barn Aug 21, 2019, 3:03 AM

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@graceful garden lol looks at every tier 2-4 past premium

sick oar Aug 21, 2019, 3:14 AM

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Buff IS-4 it’s bad

unique scaffold Aug 21, 2019, 3:16 AM

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WHEEZE

small sorrel Aug 21, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Well, is there anyone know why there still no 6.1 chars?

compact cloud Aug 21, 2019, 3:42 AM

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I'm just fed up of Rating Battles. most of the battles are a team with smart player and the other is just a bunch of "i dont give a hoot, yolo"
there should be a stat limit for entering ratingbattles

wanton mango Aug 21, 2019, 3:54 AM

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I think there shouldn’t be so many TD’s in tier 6 especially when the lights have 700- health and those TD’s get matched with 5’s.

craggy osprey Aug 21, 2019, 4:10 AM

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New Bay Map needs more objects and barriers within its map (mainly towards A / B cap areas) It’s so open if I have a medium or light with good view range I can have my team camp spawn and they can see the whole engagement of the caps so easy. There is no cover (unless you go up onto the ramps or find one if the small sidescraping spots it’s rough going that area

queen hemlock Aug 21, 2019, 7:42 AM

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There is a limit which is called calibration and then teams are sorted by rating @compact cloud. Biggest problem seems to be the wide spread which becomes more apparent as your own rating climbs

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@torpid birch go to tier VI and VII with a good damage dealing tank, go cheap on consumables plus be sparingly with prammo and drive that tank for a longer series of games to grind credits

uncut flower Aug 21, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Hi

round sundial Aug 21, 2019, 8:41 AM

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@honest dagger I think there was a misunderstanding. I do fine in the T62, it's just that in majority of situations, STB would be doing the job better than T62. And in T62 vs STB fights, the T62 is outclasseda thanks to the armour and gun depression on the STB

steep pike Aug 21, 2019, 11:09 AM

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@graceful garden the kv3 has too big weak spots on his turret and also on the front Armour

jovial tide Aug 21, 2019, 11:10 AM

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T49 op

hushed dome Aug 21, 2019, 11:17 AM

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Hello

past cape Aug 21, 2019, 11:43 AM

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Dyno's down... Queue spamfest

honest dagger Aug 21, 2019, 11:52 AM

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@round sundial can you give some examples?

slim rivet Aug 21, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Foch is so balanced that the master is set at 1550+ base xp at the moment 😹

frigid sky Aug 21, 2019, 12:24 PM

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That’s not unusual for a tier X tank wsothot.

The t62a has a far better gun compared to stb1 :450more dpm better gun dispersion and aim time ,better turret armor and better mobility making it a great tank for ru med still game play , were as the stb is more of a ridge fighter (both tanks are well balanced imo) if a stb full hp I a 1v1 is beating a full hp 62 that’s totally down to the drivers skill...

vague pine Aug 21, 2019, 12:28 PM

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@round sundial t62 still can easily outdpm stb1. In 1 v 1 I fear 62a if he is a good player

noble siren Aug 21, 2019, 12:34 PM

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Everything is great till STB occupies the the hill

vague pine Aug 21, 2019, 12:39 PM

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@noble siren everything is great when you Play stb1 until yoloOPfoch155 is rushing you and oneclips you with double HE

halcyon vapor Aug 21, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Its so good for stb to get that side armor buff bc literally any t9 and t10 was spamming he at it and everything penned

noble siren Aug 21, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Who has T62A and what are the pros and cons about it

slim rivet Aug 21, 2019, 12:50 PM

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Awesome gun. Little gun depression which makes it hard to play sometimes. Rest is ok @noble siren

vague pine Aug 21, 2019, 12:54 PM

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@round sundial support role? It’s a brawler to hunt down other meds. Using hull down tactics and dpm correctly and you are an effective vihecle against other meds

slim rivet Aug 21, 2019, 1:06 PM

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I personally play it like a td. <<sniping>> from the spawn. It worked one day 👍🤷‍♂️

round sundial Aug 21, 2019, 1:09 PM

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I don't mean sniping from the spawn🤦 . I go into certain position, this depends on the map, and preferably where I can be hulldown. And then I don't neccesarily rush and be a brawler, but rather support the team by using the phenomenal gun

rare wing Aug 21, 2019, 4:01 PM

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@round sundial i'd like to see you 1v1 me STB vs 62 and win in an stb. won't happen 😂

deep hamlet Aug 21, 2019, 4:06 PM

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@slim rivet what about T62? Still plays well.

slim rivet Aug 21, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Yeah t62 is supposed to camp at spawn. When the team is dead I are supposed to yolo @deep hamlet

sage plinth Aug 21, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Thoughts on the t32 vs the t28?

cerulean crest Aug 21, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Which. The one with the turrent or without the turrent

noble siren Aug 21, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Sry for asking in here but will WG put new unique consumables?

distant river Aug 21, 2019, 6:13 PM

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If the veteran playerbase doesn't want it you can be sure WG will do it

slim rivet Aug 21, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Exactly @distant river

fleet stump Aug 21, 2019, 6:42 PM

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The lower plate of the T28 need a buff. :/

visual nimbus Aug 21, 2019, 6:50 PM

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T28 could use the consumables honestly.

fiery turtle Aug 21, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Another reason why the AT 2 needs its AP penetration improved is because its alpha damage with APCR isn't the normal 15% less than with AP, but 50% less! No other Tier V TD has this handicap.

Oh - and the damage with HE is only 10% higher than with AP, with only 15 mm of penetration, making HE utterly pointless even against targets with no armour.

Buff the AP penetration to 130 mm, and remove access to HE.

distant river Aug 21, 2019, 7:54 PM

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@fiery turtle you think the AT2 is supposed to have a good gun?

unique scaffold Aug 21, 2019, 7:56 PM

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No

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@pale hamlet don't start that nonsense here

fiery turtle Aug 21, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Every TD is supposed to have a good gun. Guns are what TD's are all about.

Especially the ones that don't have a turret, which is an absolutely gigantic drawback for any tank. That's the reason why tanks without turrets fell out of favour immediately after WW2.

And yes, the AT 2 has fantastic armour - but that's to compensate for its snail-like speed, not for its gun.

distant river Aug 21, 2019, 8:04 PM

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@fiery turtle so you think basically impenetrable armor and a good gun willbe balenced? You really need to think beforw you say stuff

unique scaffold Aug 21, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Also no non turreted TDs did not fall out of style after the war the STRV 103B came from that but it was one of few successful ones

remote idol Aug 21, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Hi

fiery turtle Aug 21, 2019, 8:15 PM

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@distant river : Yes. When combined with no turret, extremely slow speed, and extremely slow hull traverse. Once an attacker gets behind it, the AT 2 is basically helpless to defend itself.

For comparison, the S35 CA has basically double the speed, double the acceleration and double the hull traverse of the AT 2.

You really need to take your own advice.

unique scaffold Aug 21, 2019, 8:18 PM

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AT 2 was never meant to take enemies on its own, especially when facing a medium/light tanks.

And so is most of the other TD's

distant river Aug 21, 2019, 8:18 PM

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AT2 is already a very good tank. At tier 5 people have no idea how to aim for the (tiny) cupola or circle a TD. The AT2 already has good dpm and it definitely does not need a pen buff. It is slow which just encourages people to camp, meaning there is even less chance of a red getting being it. TDs should not have great front armour as well as dpm and pen. The AT2 is well balenced how it is at the moment. It needs no change, and if you had to change it you would nerf the cupola.

fiery turtle Aug 21, 2019, 8:29 PM

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@unique scaffold : Don't take on the enemy alone in an AT 2? Great advice. Difficult to follow that advice, though, when your whole team roars off and leaves you in a cloud of dust.

How about camping at the back so you don't get flanked? Great plan. Except that leaves you completely alone when a red finally spots you. Most likely, after all your team are dead and its you vs multiple reds, meaning you're almost certainly doomed.

distant river Aug 21, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Or you could just use your brain and follow your team as much as possible, keeping a teammate or a fair amount of distance between you and the enemies. @fiery turtle

unique scaffold Aug 21, 2019, 8:32 PM

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You've got armor, you've got dpm, you've got weakspots to shoot.

Unfortunate for you and others, but tier 5 is where players still learn how to play.
If you really hate AT 2, free experience is an option.

Better yet, if you don't like TD's in general, grind something else. Especially avoid the AT lines, as they keep the features from AT 2 all the way to Tortoise, which you seem to hate the most.

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Plus the TDs up on AT2 suck until tortoise not at all they are huge have many weakspots and barely any times to use the dpm

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OMG At7 at 15 op

slow rock Aug 21, 2019, 8:40 PM

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WZ 120 BUFF

harsh ravine Aug 21, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Who thought giving the Foch’s a cupola buff was a good idea, especially the tier 9 Foch?

fiery turtle Aug 21, 2019, 8:45 PM

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I grant you that the AT 2 is OP against Tier 4 players that have never seen one before and don't know how to deal with it.

But against experienced Tier 6 players, it's pretty much a joke.

unique scaffold Aug 21, 2019, 8:47 PM

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I think the maus needs a buff

winged barn Aug 21, 2019, 8:50 PM

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I think the maus is borderline op

unique scaffold Aug 21, 2019, 8:53 PM

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Buff vk 7201

frank urchin Aug 21, 2019, 9:43 PM

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Buff super mutant front lol

paper mason Aug 21, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Now french TD's are worth it again.. Before I'd rather have the foch in tier 9 instead of the 155 .. but now yeah, that 155 with the autoloader is now worth the grind ..

nimble zodiac Aug 21, 2019, 10:24 PM

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tier IV players can easily pen the AT2 is the driver is foolish enough to angle

teal olive Aug 21, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Tbh I think the maus and vk 72 are in good spots

viscid orchid Aug 21, 2019, 11:58 PM

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The Maus is slightly OP in a good player's hands

carmine pawn Aug 22, 2019, 12:07 AM

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You want a balanced discussion?

Nerf t22

nimble zodiac Aug 22, 2019, 12:38 AM

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it's like a mobile IS-7 but with trollier sides and a pennable front xD and a spammy gun

dim field Aug 22, 2019, 12:45 AM

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Why and how would you nerf the t22? Helps in discussion to say more than "nerf x tank"

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Remove some armor or drop the reload and speed

lost sinew Aug 22, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Can anyone from devs explain why Amx13 75 has such a pitiful view range when compared to Amx12t?

iron maple Aug 22, 2019, 3:55 AM

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Why "M60" selling price is 50,000 credits ? . where 'MK6 worth 6 million'
if sell !!!

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 4:01 AM

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English please

visual nimbus Aug 22, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Ehhhhh

crude pumice Aug 22, 2019, 4:22 AM

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type59 remove to tier9 from 8. it is just t54 so overpowered. WG cast away balancing.

crystal spoke Aug 22, 2019, 4:32 AM

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how? its hull isnt that great its got a mg cupola, pretty good gun/mobility its good but not op

flat bane Aug 22, 2019, 4:37 AM

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Oh

crude pumice Aug 22, 2019, 4:40 AM

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type59 has good depression, good turret hull (better than t54), same moving factors.
bad point is gun pen and dmg only if it remove to tier9, so give some buff to gun in tier9.

visual nimbus Aug 22, 2019, 4:49 AM

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@crystal spoke He’s talking about the Type 59 not the 59 Patton lol. @crude pumice but either way, none of them come close to OP...they are decent tanks though.

spiral ember Aug 22, 2019, 4:52 AM

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Hi

crude pumice Aug 22, 2019, 4:58 AM

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@visual nimbus i don't think so. type59 has most hard turret hull in tier8. and can moving like t54.
gun pen is not so bad than other tank it tier8. 59 is almighty, but has some good point. it is overpowered.
i think it making more peaky is better. need add some demerit or weakpoint.

visual nimbus Aug 22, 2019, 5:10 AM

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I mean we have the Super Pershing, T-54 mod 1, 0-47, T-34-3 etc... they all have good turret and hull armor with decent speed.

sweet prism Aug 22, 2019, 6:43 AM

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Nerf t22 medium ideas?
Nerf turret front armour and butt armour. It can't be penned at back with HE except 183.
Or, just nerf gun depression to 5 °.
Why? Because it has the best things of both T62a and Obj140.

indigo knot Aug 22, 2019, 7:08 AM

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Well in Pc it had 5 deg of gun depression ....idk why they gave it 6 deg gun depression here

crisp palm Aug 22, 2019, 7:09 AM

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Cuz twister is coming soon

indigo knot Aug 22, 2019, 7:27 AM

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Now I think any nerfs or buffs for tier 10s will be after Twisters

crude pumice Aug 22, 2019, 7:43 AM

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it maybe never come. they will not nerf premium pay2win tanks.

noble siren Aug 22, 2019, 8:18 AM

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@crude pumice Type59 is very balanced tank. Don't change my mind....

deft owl Aug 22, 2019, 9:02 AM

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@jade jungle Lol grille 15 isnt the worst tier 10 td. Fv 215b 183 is the worst td in tier 10 by a large margin.

thick rover Aug 22, 2019, 9:23 AM

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Yea overdone nerf imo

oblique parrot Aug 22, 2019, 9:27 AM

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I agree about the consumables.

noble siren Aug 22, 2019, 9:30 AM

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Type59 is not P2W tank they put the tank in event so everybody can get it

latent snow Aug 22, 2019, 9:54 AM

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T110e5 speed boost looks terrifying

austere bone Aug 22, 2019, 10:06 AM

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M46 patton has amazing gun and good speed I could go on but I will spare your time I belive M46 patton turret needs a big buff by atleast 10-20mm the turret on the M46 patton has 101mm of armor that's worst then every tank in its tier except the amx 50 120,leopard pta and B C 25T AP correct me if I missed anything the line is based on good turrets and for the turret to be that bad compared to other tanks is horrible thumbs up if you agree and I'm not saying the tank is bad but the turret isn't that good and should be better corrisponding to its line.

cunning kindle Aug 22, 2019, 10:09 AM

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M46 patton is one of the best tanks at t9, i dont think it shud/will get a buff of any sort

thick rover Aug 22, 2019, 10:16 AM

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Don't let your emotions ruin your arguments

fluid cove Aug 22, 2019, 10:18 AM

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How many winner pins cost the 59-patton??

austere bone Aug 22, 2019, 10:18 AM

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Can you guys give your opinion on M46 I would really appreciate it⬆️

jade cargoBOT Aug 22, 2019, 10:25 AM

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dynoSuccess [REUN] Kirovets_K7A#1795 has been warned.

vague pine Aug 22, 2019, 10:26 AM

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Whoops I’m sry

austere bone Aug 22, 2019, 10:36 AM

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And also don't forget how bad the pen on M46 is 218 worst pen in tier 9 unless you count wz 120 gun that has 310 alpha or stock guns M46 need a pen buff and turret armor buff desperately please put a thumbs up if you agree M46 only has 2 things going for it dpm and gun depression

sullen vault Aug 22, 2019, 10:39 AM

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The m46 is the best tank currently besides the amx proto in the charts for wr and avg dmg.Its very unlikely it will get buffed.Also the T54 with the dpm gun and rammer has worst pen and i had barely any problems with it other than facing my own pier.Basically, work with the pen.

modern rapids Aug 22, 2019, 10:46 AM

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It may have the worst pen, but people seem to be doing ok in it

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The data will show if a tank needs buffing or not and M46 data clearly shows it doesn't need one

dull gate Aug 22, 2019, 10:51 AM

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@fluid cove On the YT video they said about 6500 pins.
@crude pumice They do nerf P2W tanks. The IS-3 Defender has been nerfed 3 different times. It was so OP when it first came out.

fluid cove Aug 22, 2019, 11:00 AM

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@dull gate thank you

fiery flame Aug 22, 2019, 11:07 AM

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@dull gate what did they nerf on the IS3 defender???

Edit: please provide evidence, I seriously don’t remember them ever touching it specifically

Edit 2: Any clue what update WG these nerfs were

dull gate Aug 22, 2019, 11:14 AM

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The interclip reload, the magazine reload, and the dispersion. I used to farm 500k a day in the early days with that tank. If you want evidence, go back and search for balance changes in the Updates on WOTB.

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 11:18 AM

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I have a friend who has the IS-3 Defender. He plays very well in it and thinks it a great tank

distant river Aug 22, 2019, 11:27 AM

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Its literally a better IS3. It has more depression and a clip. Everything else is basically the same

slim rivet Aug 22, 2019, 11:33 AM

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@austere bone m46 has no weakness. Gun is really good (alpha, rof, accuracy, dispersion and pen - u can use pramo vs heavily armored target) and it has huge depression. The only downside is indeed the turret but u can mitigate the lack of armor by picking at the good time (vs letting it exposed like a filthy beginner). Basically buffing the turret armor would make it a m48. Now if u absolutely want such a buff I can live with it. Just decrease the depression and lose this simple and effective ability to peek from the safe side of a hill....

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 11:48 AM

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Please leave the 46 Patton alone.

fleet stump Aug 22, 2019, 11:48 AM

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The 46 Patton is fine. ♥
But it need the Shrieking skin! O:

vague pine Aug 22, 2019, 11:51 AM

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Why is the grind to is4 sooo extremely painful

frank urchin Aug 22, 2019, 11:54 AM

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Getting t29 is extremely painful since m6 is a nightmare before getting it lol

nimble zodiac Aug 22, 2019, 11:55 AM

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Type 59 easily outperforms the T-54 ltwt in the course of battle 👀 mediums are a generalization now with lights, fast to flank, meds happen to be the flanking type now, there’s nothing for ltwt to do other than for the type 59 to just pick it down without taking much damage. Especially in situations like Port Bay or Yamato Harbor

distant river Aug 22, 2019, 11:56 AM

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They are meant for completely different things @nimble zodiac

indigo knot Aug 22, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Well T54lwt is a light tank...no point comparing it to type59
I myself love T44 the most of all mod1 type 59 and lwt.....
I doy know why Bushka says its powercreeped when actually its still good

slim rivet Aug 22, 2019, 11:58 AM

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T44 best t8 IMO. Not joking. This tank is extremely good. I love it

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 12:35 PM

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T54-mod1 better

round sundial Aug 22, 2019, 12:36 PM

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T44 is outperformed by Mod1 and Type 59. If those get a good position, T44 can't even touch them

indigo knot Aug 22, 2019, 12:44 PM

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T44 is faster and can get to positions before these tanks...so it will be difficult for them to get there but in 1v1 situations not sure about type 59 but mod1 will win.... though blitz is 7v7 and spotting early and early positions can make you win the games then it doesn't matter if you are in mod1 or 59

vague pine Aug 22, 2019, 12:46 PM

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Why you cry about type 59. go drive this tank and you will see it’s the absolute opposite of too strong or OP

stable flint Aug 22, 2019, 12:49 PM

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I think the Type 59 is a good tank but not so good gun handling and slow acceleration balances out its turret armor and gun

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 12:55 PM

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IMO T44 is a workable tank. It has the tools it needs to do damage and carry a team. But a T54 ltwt has similar armor/gun stars and is much faster. The mod 1 is a bit slower but has consistent armor. The type 59 IMO is just a direct upgrade of the T44, better armor etc. however the T44 is still viable

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Outshines means it’s not viable anymore, in reality every tank in the game is viable and can make it work with good player

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Has winds of wins started yet?

full token Aug 22, 2019, 1:01 PM

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Nope

fleet stump Aug 22, 2019, 1:08 PM

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@unique scaffold but Stuff like the T28 is really painful to play :/

near warren Aug 22, 2019, 2:29 PM

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i think that they should buff the M4 FL10s armour

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 2:44 PM

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yes t28 needs a buff

noble siren Aug 22, 2019, 3:23 PM

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no it doesn't

jolly panther Aug 22, 2019, 3:24 PM

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T95E2 could really use a buff, the Type 59 Patton is literally better than E2 in every single aspect; same gun with better gun depression, higher top speed, more credit earning (since the repair factor is less), FAR BETTER armor... And since 60-70% of the player base will probably get it in this event, I see no reason to ever play the T95E2 over the 59 anymore... I'd say make the turrets & guns equal since they're pretty much the same, keep the better hull armor on the 59 but decrease it's manouverability (or buff the T95E2 manouverability a bit; or make firing on the move more smooth)

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 3:24 PM

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My oppinion is to buff the speed of the FCM36Pak40 because it is to slow and i only play platoon so my platoon mate can push me.

unreal spear Aug 22, 2019, 4:00 PM

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He is TD and 50% TD is Slow

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 4:14 PM

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yes but tier 3 is full of light tanks that go fast when i get to position half of the battle is over 😦

wanton oyster Aug 22, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Reee

distant river Aug 22, 2019, 4:16 PM

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@unique scaffold simple solution is to not play tier 3

fiery flame Aug 22, 2019, 4:26 PM

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^

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 4:35 PM

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People still play tier 3 on purpose?

smoky yoke Aug 22, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Well I guess if you are a new player yes

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 4:38 PM

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I don't think they'd be playing the pak40

smoky yoke Aug 22, 2019, 4:47 PM

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I feel sorry for new players, cause that much of a slow game play and tedious shots to kill one tank makes me want to pull out my hair. Had to master the pz tank since only tank I didnt master, those few games made me want to do cliff diving.

slim rivet Aug 22, 2019, 4:50 PM

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When u ll be older loosing ur hair u ll regret those words @smoky yoke 😹

fleet stump Aug 22, 2019, 4:53 PM

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I hope they Add the M50 Ontos 💜

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 4:54 PM

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@unique scaffold i play tier 3 because i win more in low tier bc all newbies are there, i practice in tier 3 too

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So you are clubbing new players. You aren't going to get much compassion here concerning the vehicle balance of tier 3

distant river Aug 22, 2019, 5:29 PM

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^ That is basically as polite a message as you will get so be happy @unique scaffold

limpid flax Aug 22, 2019, 5:54 PM

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#buffleopardptSD

mystic gorge Aug 22, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Buff grille 15 that’s all I have to say

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 6:05 PM

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O ok ill be happy! 😄

kind swallow Aug 22, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Sealclub👎

dim field Aug 22, 2019, 6:26 PM

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I play tier 3 in training rooms. Bt-sv makes an amusing stunt ramp. Probably more like a speed bump most the time.

deft owl Aug 22, 2019, 7:08 PM

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@unique scaffold I like the way you always (somehow) forget some people paid for those low tier premiums(collectors now) and they have rights to play with them. Im not one of those but low tier balance matters.

distant river Aug 22, 2019, 7:27 PM

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If you payed for a tier 3 then you should be aware that you will not play it as you get better as a player. The low tier premiums are designed for new players not. There is no excuse for sealclubbing. @Pururut#8429

brazen monolith Aug 22, 2019, 7:29 PM

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I’m a bad team player so I go to tier 6 and 7 and I just win every game since I’m a pretty good player. But when I go to tier 9/10 I lose more often.

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 7:30 PM

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Hi

deft owl Aug 22, 2019, 7:31 PM

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There is no such rule everyone has to play tier 5+ after get some level. Some people has interests in low tiers. Thats why low tier balance always matters thats why wg is still balancing the low tiers.

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 7:32 PM

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@deft owl I paid for a number of low tier tanks. I looked at them as learning tools and I moved beyond them. At one point I had training wheels on my bicycle but I moved beyond them. I bought them, used them, and then moved beyond them. Players should do the same with their low tier tanks

distant river Aug 22, 2019, 7:37 PM

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So what we should do is let the people that ruin the lower tiers for new players and discourage people from playing the game? There is no rule but the shouldnt have to be a rule. If you play low tiers because of the easier games then it is telling you that you should be learning not giving up and ruining other peoples games. Sealclubbing is essentially being as selfish as you can get in this game, excluding rerolling and then sealclubbing. Low tiers have lost diversity and fun because of the sealclubbers. It is a real shame that WG had to change so muh because of some selfish people but they had very little choice. If you have paid for a low tier premium then there is nothing wrong with playing it occasionally, but consistently sealclubbing to pretend you are good is disgusting. @deft owl

brazen monolith Aug 22, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Well all the tier 10’s I play with get salty and say delete the game and go back to tier 4

deft owl Aug 22, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Everyone has freedom to use whatever tank they want. I cant blame anyone for using low tier because its his choice and its the way he is having fun. Tastes and colors are indisputable. Something that can be disgusting for you is pleasent for other.

distant river Aug 22, 2019, 7:53 PM

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@deft owl so you think essentially bullying people because they are new to the game is a good thing? The idea behind shaming sealclubbers is to help them realise that they are being selfish. They are the ones that need to realise that what they are doing is wrong and bad for the game. If someone enjoys abusing another person irl should we say that it is fine because its what they like? The idea of accepting peoples selfish behaviour because they enjoy it is wrong no matter how you put it.

deft owl Aug 22, 2019, 7:56 PM

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When did I sad seal club is good thing? Im saying everyone has freedom to play with any tank they want. You cant blame anyone for using specific tank because they are in game and wg allows you to use it.

distant river Aug 22, 2019, 8:06 PM

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If you are saying it is acceptable then you are not saying it is a bad thing. You can most certainly blame people for using low tiers to pretend they are good. It is entirely their choice and they should know that they are negatively affecting many othet players. They should take the initiative to learn and get better rather than bullying noobs. If you say "aww dont worry its not your fault" then you are saying that being selfish is OK because there isnt a specific rule against it.

winged barn Aug 22, 2019, 8:09 PM

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The noobs at that tier need to know what actual players can do. They also need to realize that the rest of the game does not consist of bots

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 8:10 PM

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I had 2.5 battles on the tier 5 leopard but i was able to move on and use the experience i learned from it i now have 2.3k battles and still counting on the leopard 1

fickle obsidian Aug 22, 2019, 8:48 PM

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How do you play 2.5 battles?

unique scaffold Aug 22, 2019, 8:49 PM

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2.5k thanks for pointing that out

latent snow Aug 22, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Change vindicator primary ammo to ap! It cannot pen many tanks in the tracks face on

crystal basin Aug 22, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Or just use he when u cant Pen, and normal heat when u can and listen sweet sound of being called gold noob.

warped anchor Aug 22, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Im still waiting on that cdc gun handling buff thing is huge with no armor,its fast but it makes no sense that it also has one of the worst 90mms at tier 8 for a tank like it to be specific gun handling while turning the tank and turret.

hot sun Aug 22, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Really lol. The vindicator is like the t49, it has HEAT as its primary ammo then HE. And I'm pretty sure the HE is its pramo round

twilit crystal Aug 22, 2019, 10:12 PM

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no it has 230 pen HEAT

signal shoal Aug 22, 2019, 10:39 PM

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Increase T32 penetration to 205 pen

deep seal Aug 22, 2019, 11:25 PM

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fix ur game dammit by that i mean bring it back to simplier times

subtle moat Aug 22, 2019, 11:56 PM

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Pls buff the VK 30.01 D hull and turret armor in the front pls it moves way to slow for a medium tank with no armor. And I always get doomed when I’m in a tier 6-7 game

open mountain Aug 22, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Please fix the packet loss in this game. PLEASE.

dull patio Aug 23, 2019, 12:29 AM

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WoW

craggy dust Aug 23, 2019, 12:51 AM

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Please for once make up your mind nerfed foch and Ferdinand a while back now you buff them to the same way they were before they was nerfed smh

mossy cipher Aug 23, 2019, 1:45 AM

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a pen buff on the top gun of the comet will come really handy, the firefly gets the 17pdr with 171 at tier VI so not sure why just dont give it that gun

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paper mason Aug 23, 2019, 1:49 AM

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The real problem is that people do not know how to play well. With the change of the tank structure from tiers 1-5 you now get people in tier 8's with under 2k battles. It's not the tank, it's because they don't know how to use a specific tank. The downvotes are useless. want people to play a tank? up the credit co. .. It's ok to lose when it's a good team or to a good player .. It's really different when you're a tier 9 with 3.5 battles in the middle of the open in a heavy getting COD'd by a cent I.. There is no problem with the tier 9 heavy, it's simply the player.. Double the amount for the grind for each tank..

mossy cipher Aug 23, 2019, 1:59 AM

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@paper mason i agree so much on that, i know locking certain tiers seems like a really extreme solution but cmon, can't tell you how many times did i see people on tier 8/9 tanks and they were under 3k battles and once you see their profile yeah ... they dont have that much researched yet, they dont know what they are facing and of course they are getting trashed by others with more experience. and hey at no point in the game they are being told that "Hey, you should stay at lower tiers for now" or "This tank is tier IX, are you sure you want to buy it?" small advices like that would be really helpful

remote oriole Aug 23, 2019, 2:33 AM

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I rather think that the game is fine as it is considering the grinding effort, because
-if you make it harder there is basically no reward for playing a single game and grinding up the branches will just be very frustrating and slow and nobody would bother and
-if you make it easier you basically ruin one of the long term goals this game has (grinding every tank) and on top of that you make tier ten tanks less special and it doesn't feel as good to have accomplished a tier.

I actually would make it just a little easier to grind because as it is it already consumes a lot of time, but I guess that that's what the premium account is for and that with the premium account it is a rather pleasant experience to grind.

In addition to that, I am not quite a fan of locking out players from certain tiers.
Here's the thing: If you don't want to face any random players and only want a selected class of players in your battles just go and play ratings. That's what they are here for and that's why they were introduced in the first place.
It essentially is part of the 'random PvP' concept that all players are in the same pool, and they are all important for the game. If you don't like the random PvP that's completely fine, but then be that consistent and play ratings or tournaments.

Thank you for your attention

safe copper Aug 23, 2019, 2:37 AM

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But with these players getting tiered up so fast I can’t tell u how many times I loose in ratings because we have unexperienced players with tier 7s

remote oriole Aug 23, 2019, 2:49 AM

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That is a problem with the rating-match-maker or the rating population, not the grinding system.

There is no need to change a working system, and on a side not, players will always be inexperienced on a tier they only reached. Additionally, the play-styles of the lower tiers (slow, low impact shots) are extremely different to the mid-tiers (fast, medium dominant) which are in turn again very different to the higher tiers (derp-dominant), so making tiers less accessible will change exactly nothing about the experience grades of players except for standard skills like reaction time and overview, and I don't see a reason why you shouldn't be able to train them in tier ten as much as in tier one.

This is actually one of my main concerns about the low-tier rework;
before you had very fast gameplay in the lowest tiers with barely any armour and then you slowly progressed over the mid tiers with more emphasis on armour to the higher tiers which really made you encounter some armour to overcome like in no other tier-section.
Now, with the extreme focus on armour or trollish armour on tier ten, almost no effective armour at tier seven and very ineffective guns at tier two you basically end up with two very hard breaks in terms of gameplay in the tech-trees (which I personally find very uncomfortable to play at) at tier five to tier six and at tier eight (eight is a very weird mix of all kinds of derpy, trollish yet fast tanks, if you ask me it's the tier of RNG).
This loss of sensible progression is something that made the tech-tree grind very weird and why I actually don't condemn seal-clubbing anymore, because it in fact is playing entirely different, so I count it as a different game-mode.

winged barn Aug 23, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Ah yes. Let's eliminate the derps from low tiers so that nobody knows how to play after they finish playing with bots

coarse harness Aug 23, 2019, 4:49 AM

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At least there are less sealclubbers

remote oriole Aug 23, 2019, 4:54 AM

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Yeah, I must point out that the lower tiers are the best balanced tiers in the entire game, while the higher tiers lately suffered due to interesting balance decisions [AMX 50 Foch (155) and T-22 Medium] (and the consumables), but they still are way more balanced than all tiers which include premiums (as opposed to collectables); i.e. tier three only with the Ke-Ni Otsu and tier five up to tier eight.
(Correlation isn't causation but in that case I will just pretend it is, although I cannot prove that premium tanks are actually the cause for bad balance)

So really hats off to the balancing department for creating a really good balance within only a few updates there

sweet prism Aug 23, 2019, 4:58 AM

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I didn't notice this fact untill the introduction of foch 155 autoloader gun. The first equipment slot still has vents instead of gun rammer when I am using single shot gun. Noticed the same in bulldog.

The equipment slot should not be tank specific, it should be determined by the gun being used.

quick lichen Aug 23, 2019, 6:07 AM

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It is though

unique scaffold Aug 23, 2019, 6:07 AM

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I'm soooo done with this t49 GARBAGE!!! A t49 just dropped over 800 damage on my face in my M6 exp??? NERF THE DAM THING ALREADY!!!

quick lichen Aug 23, 2019, 6:07 AM

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Auto loaders get vents

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Single shots get rammer

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@unique scaffold the sides are paper. What do you expect?

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It’s also an enormous target

unique scaffold Aug 23, 2019, 6:17 AM

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I was facing him! Also a tier 8 light dropping over 800??? Over powered... also the M6 should have invincible armor... it can be penned on the sides even with the slightest angle... the reason they put the armor over the tracks on the sides is to increase armor... if it was even remotely realistic, the m6 exp would have better side scrapes than the Lowe.... and judging from the shape of the turret, those easily penned 11's to either side of the gun, would no be Pen spots at all... they would be even harder to pen... another great tank ruined...

cunning kindle Aug 23, 2019, 6:25 AM

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Looks at smasher, dracula

So u were talking about realism?

wind flower Aug 23, 2019, 6:47 AM

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You know right M6 is actually an Teir 6 tank, the EXP verison only has additional armour plate slapped on its front. M6 EXP also has weak cheek armour, anyone can pen that

Besides T49 has an KV-2 like gun. But it's only that it's fast. @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Aug 23, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Sigh...

slim rivet Aug 23, 2019, 7:32 AM

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Please rename this channel <<ur daily dose of madness>>

dusky barn Aug 23, 2019, 8:45 AM

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Game is balanced. Every team has 7 players.

noble siren Aug 23, 2019, 9:29 AM

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Finally some love for Tiger2

meager hearth Aug 23, 2019, 9:30 AM

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Here here

round sundial Aug 23, 2019, 9:31 AM

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Yh, think I'll rebuy it, if the turret doesn't have the 40mm overmatch spot anymore, cuz then it can work like the E75 pretty much

unique scaffold Aug 23, 2019, 10:03 AM

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The T49 doesn't need a Nerf.

noble siren Aug 23, 2019, 10:04 AM

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Yeah the tank is pretty ok when I played it. Not OP and not trash, it's just OK

tame plume Aug 23, 2019, 10:48 AM

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@unique scaffold so you are one of those players

deft owl Aug 23, 2019, 10:55 AM

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@dusky barn 7 helsing vs 7 st emil.

dull gate Aug 23, 2019, 11:03 AM

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The T49 has been nerfed twice. Reduced power, less HE pen, slower reload.

formal forge Aug 23, 2019, 11:15 AM

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No need to nerf the t49 tho

unique scaffold Aug 23, 2019, 11:41 AM

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T28 needs a buff ... more frontal armour myby .-.

spare notch Aug 23, 2019, 11:55 AM

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Yes t28 suck

boreal crag Aug 23, 2019, 11:58 AM

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T44 stock gun buff. even if i use apcr the enemy team will focus me cuz im stock im always losing and getting terrible amounts of XP

round sundial Aug 23, 2019, 12:03 PM

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You need to free xp the 100mm gun

boreal crag Aug 23, 2019, 12:09 PM

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i already unblock it the problem is the turret :/ @round sundial

dense phoenix Aug 23, 2019, 1:00 PM

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you need 852 wins

shadow dawn Aug 23, 2019, 1:30 PM

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i think that the fv 4202needs a turret armour buff...

unique scaffold Aug 23, 2019, 1:31 PM

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From what I read earlier on star saints complaint about the EXP and T49 it’s safe to say he doesn’t know their weakspots

slate arrow Aug 23, 2019, 1:44 PM

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T49 doesnt need nerf it needs slight buff maybe 640 alpha or more hp or even better aiming gun

unique scaffold Aug 23, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Even worse

twin egret Aug 23, 2019, 2:01 PM

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FV4202 does indeed need turret armor buff... majority of the players don't even know the tank and thy just end up doing the thumbs down reaction because it's British

unique scaffold Aug 23, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Chieftain buff too please it can’t even go hulldown without getting penned not in the cupola turret @noble siren why would the leopard 1 need a armor buff? That was dumb

noble siren Aug 23, 2019, 2:03 PM

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@twin egret so you want buff on the turret armor for Fv4202 but not on Leo1 pathetic. Asking to buff Chieftain is stupid. All you want is to camp hills and make easy damage

cinder solstice Aug 23, 2019, 2:09 PM

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wtf.why 20?

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sleek pebble Aug 23, 2019, 2:10 PM

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@cinder solstice https://discordapp.com/channels/481445776178806785/614106869178564608/614458637095534602

unique scaffold Aug 23, 2019, 2:15 PM

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@strong tundra what does that have to do with vehicle balance?

strong tundra Aug 23, 2019, 2:23 PM

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My bad posted in wrong channel sorry (thought i’d switched over to general discussion...) 😬 i removed it before you even said something lol.

dense walrus Aug 23, 2019, 2:40 PM

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@boreal crag put this in #614106869178564608 not balance discussion

slim rivet Aug 23, 2019, 2:55 PM

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@twin egret oh i perfectly know the fv202 having it myself and playing it quite successfully... why no turret buff? Cause it has great gun and the ability to shoot hesh, good mobility, really good depression and an already trollish turret... a balance discussion is not about taking the worst characteristic of a tank and saying this needs a buff. It’s about having all characteristics in mind and thinking globally... thx in advance NOT to beg for a Leo’s armor buff, maus’ speed buff or t95’ rotation speed buff

violet sonnet Aug 23, 2019, 3:00 PM

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keeping strengths of 4202 in mind.. HESH although successful... bleeds credits faster than housing value after 08.
I ask why should a feature of a tank be discouraging user from using it. tier10 losses credits normally im ok with it.
4202 looses credits like its meant to after using one of its main features.

twilit crystal Aug 23, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Lmao housing value after 08

gaunt coyote Aug 23, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Nerf the consumables or remove them. That's all I am going to say lol

dense walrus Aug 23, 2019, 3:24 PM

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@gaunt coyote #609379619069624331

desert hamlet Aug 23, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Sta has no armor, or mobility or any great gun.. Everything is so mediocre.. It's not unplayable but its completely dependant on team members and cannot carry itself..

gaunt coyote Aug 23, 2019, 3:30 PM

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@dense walrus that is for suggestions. This is a matter of game balance not a matter of making more new consumables.

rugged trail Aug 23, 2019, 3:37 PM

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The t54e1 should have a speed or hp buff it seems to be too slow and poorly armoured

unique scaffold Aug 23, 2019, 3:37 PM

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It got buffed recently

distant river Aug 23, 2019, 3:54 PM

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T54E1 is already a great tank. The buff was not too useful but it is still a tank which can do 930 in 5 sec. Its also has trollish turret armour and great rotation speed and accuracy. If you give it a speed or hp buff then it becomes too powerful. It is a (rare) nicely balenced tank. @rugged trail

small sorrel Aug 23, 2019, 4:12 PM

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T110E5

slim rivet Aug 23, 2019, 4:31 PM

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Exactly @small sorrel

grizzled sleet Aug 23, 2019, 7:10 PM

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@noble siren lol the leo has a totally different gun an goes 65+ instead of barely getting to 50 so yeah I'd say the 4202 needs a turret buff

unique scaffold Aug 23, 2019, 7:11 PM

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He was saying it needs an armor buff despite the leopard not needing one

distant river Aug 23, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Look at the charts and ask why 4202 you would want to change a balenced tank. We have seen what happens when WG tries to change something (foch, 215b, stb etc). If it ain't broke then you don't fix it, and you definitely dont get WG to try and fix it.

noble siren Aug 23, 2019, 7:31 PM

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@grizzled sleet we have already STB camping every existing hill, I don't want a second one with HESH hiting me for 500 damage

grizzled sleet Aug 23, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Again the difference here is 1: it won't be invincible like the STB turret (it's not but you better get good at aiming) and 2: it still goes 50 compared to either of those going 60+

twilit crystal Aug 23, 2019, 7:46 PM

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T54e1 vs standard b

unique scaffold Aug 23, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Standard B would probably win dump a clip wait a few seconds have a second shell ready then finish him

noble siren Aug 23, 2019, 8:33 PM

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is it true that Tiger 2 will have 220mm frontal armor on the turret?

nimble zodiac Aug 23, 2019, 8:37 PM

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I hope that it would have more against the big guns of heavies

sacred forge Aug 23, 2019, 8:58 PM

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is it normal I dont get any container at all

vague pine Aug 23, 2019, 9:00 PM

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@noble siren yes it is. Watch meadsys video. But everything is subjected to change on test server

unreal locust Aug 23, 2019, 9:29 PM

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any having probleme with the chat friend ?? beacause i cant see who has online its only ofline

round sundial Aug 23, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Chat has been broken for a looong time now, and no announcement yet despite me asking numerous times

twilit crystal Aug 23, 2019, 9:52 PM

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Almost certainly

deft owl Aug 23, 2019, 11:53 PM

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@vague pine I dont think it will. Tiger 2 needed buff for a long time now it gets it.

@distant river T54e1 suffers from horrible bad mobility. It has awfull p/w ratio and top speed. If you want comparision Literally Chrysler K has better acceleration then T54e1.

maiden cipher Aug 24, 2019, 12:16 AM

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Buff T34 Heavys Front armor

twin egret Aug 24, 2019, 12:44 AM

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tbh E 50 M is more balanced than the FV4202

marble tiger Aug 24, 2019, 1:05 AM

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Moderators/developers: within the Blitz chat "how to report violations" section it is stated that there is a harrassment reporting link at the bottom of the messages in the chat itself...
.. NO, there isnt... , ITS NONEXISTENT. Blitz messaging has no such reporting link. It's a pain to dropout of the messaging chat and go through the Blitz portal and create tickets, when there should be in place in these messages a simple link as stated in the " how to report violations" section. Just wondering of Blitz even cares that players are SICK of immature grown ups cussing and threatening players at this point.... since the messaging is supposed to have this said link, why dont you guys fix it.

stoic pebble Aug 24, 2019, 1:12 AM

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This is balance discussion lol

fleet stump Aug 24, 2019, 1:17 AM

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The Pershing need a Pen buff. Maybe around 190 - 200mm.
180mm is for a big slow Medium without punch or good DPM not so nice ^^

karmic steeple Aug 24, 2019, 1:20 AM

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@maiden cipher if you think t34 needs a frontal armor buff you aren’t playing it right

twin egret Aug 24, 2019, 1:34 AM

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@marble tiger you need to scroll down far enough i think

marble tiger Aug 24, 2019, 1:35 AM

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There is no scrolling down to a link in a message...

stable flint Aug 24, 2019, 2:45 AM

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Bruh The T34 was practically born for hull down

unique scaffold Aug 24, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Wargaming i would like to propose an Idea for blitz this vehicle called an HSTV had a record for 1 second on a 75mm gun it had light armor as one would expect and great mobility I feel as if it would do great as a tier 10 tank that derives off the T71 instead of the 1 second reload at tier 10 why not have a 6 round clip with 1.5 seconds per shot? but with a cost of a 22 second reload As to also make up for it it could have the smallest health pool for the tier but high view range. For the tanks that could lead to the HSTV the T92 could fill in at tier 8 and the T49 for tier 9. This could be mostly discussed by your staff but this line would bring more interest to the American tree

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visual nimbus Aug 24, 2019, 2:55 AM

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Quite interesting

remote oriole Aug 24, 2019, 2:56 AM

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I like the idea of finally introducing some very low alpha tanks to the higher tiers

twin egret Aug 24, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Maybe?

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unique scaffold Aug 24, 2019, 3:10 AM

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Comet chassis 88mm gun could do well as a prem

fleet stump Aug 24, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Whats with the M50 Ontos?

twin egret Aug 24, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Object 770 Heavy Tank

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flat bane Aug 24, 2019, 3:22 AM

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Ok what about it lol

twilit crystal Aug 24, 2019, 3:28 AM

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@grave bear how happy are you with 160 armor tiger 2 hull and 220 turret

twin egret Aug 24, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Give the FV4202 the 120mm option
historically speaking, it was supposed to receive the exact gun used on the Conqueror Tier IX British Heavy Tank, The 120mm Gun L1A1. Considering how there was a limited amount of guns made, since the L1A1 wasn't in mass production yet, the British put the 105mm Gun Royal Ordinance L7A1 as a placeholder

harsh ravine Aug 24, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Then give the Conqueror its historical turret armor values

grizzled sleet Aug 24, 2019, 3:50 AM

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^ conq turret Doo Doo

flat bane Aug 24, 2019, 3:55 AM

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Lol

visual nimbus Aug 24, 2019, 4:11 AM

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Always thought this was an interesting American medium concept. the quad track idea was pretty neat. Not sure how it would be balanced in blitz though.

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unique scaffold Aug 24, 2019, 4:13 AM

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@visual nimbus currently on the proposal I was talking about above we are currently looking for the name of the ammunition and we’re getting close to wrapping it up

twin egret Aug 24, 2019, 4:19 AM

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@visual nimbus wait isn't that the event tank on WoT PC

mellow cape Aug 24, 2019, 4:28 AM

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@twin egret No, that's the Obj 279 E and unlike that american tank it has no lower plate and the tracks are arranged differently

twin egret Aug 24, 2019, 4:30 AM

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@mellow cape not that tank boi, the american event tank, Tier 9 with 4 pairs of tracks

visual nimbus Aug 24, 2019, 4:32 AM

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O, I never new it existed in WOT .-.
Neato

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flat bane Aug 24, 2019, 4:58 AM

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It actually looks good

unique scaffold Aug 24, 2019, 5:17 AM

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Here it is vote for 6 round 22 sec clip 3.8k dmg proposal 3.8k single shot Proposal ping me in general blitz discussion for requests to be added

mellow cape Aug 24, 2019, 5:24 AM

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A new tank proposal, HSTV, historically it had a 1s reload with a 75mm gun but that would be too broken for it in blitz, so here's 2 proposals with different stats:
Proposal 1:
ARES XM-274:
Caliber: 75mm
Damage: 200
Reload: 3.3s
Dpm: 3636
Penetration: 245mm
Proposal 2:
ARES XM-274:
Caliber: 75mm
Damage: 160
Reload: 2.5s
Dpm: 3840
Penetration: 210mm
It would have paper thin armor (similar to grille) and can be HEed pretty much anywhere on the tank. It would also have a high amount of mobility (faster than a batchat, although we haven't decided exact stats yet) and good view range. Vote with 1 for proposal 1 or 2 (for proposal 2) or 3 if you want it with different stats or 4 if you don't want anything like this at all in the game.

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shy wren Aug 24, 2019, 5:30 AM

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I’ve read about this tank before, it’s either this tank or the other prototype in its series that can reach 100kph iirc. I’d make it have a top speed ranging from 72kph-80kph.

crude pumice Aug 24, 2019, 5:43 AM

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WG must reblance tier7 middle tanks DPM.
some of them got over tier8 mid. not one, y5elc, t6 dra, edle, hafen and so on.
Tier 7 DPM that is too high is causing Tier 8 medium tank play to be boring.

unique scaffold Aug 24, 2019, 6:09 AM

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Well everyone thanks for you thoughts and ideas on the HSTV project I didn’t expect it to really get that popular I’ll be going to sleep for tonight thank you all

shy wren Aug 24, 2019, 6:49 AM

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@round yarrow read the pinned messages on this channel

round yarrow Aug 24, 2019, 6:52 AM

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I think MM needs to be looked at it is supposed to avoid teams like this with the new update just sharing

full token Aug 24, 2019, 6:54 AM

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It can also be that you caught them while they were on their last battle before going into the new MM? With how WG said it would work, it wouldn’t remove all such players instantly

rigid wigeon Aug 24, 2019, 6:55 AM

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@round yarrow the new match making is only being tested on EU and RU because WG thinks those servers are better than NA, Asia and China

zenith sand Aug 24, 2019, 7:46 AM

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@round yarrow #610791903956303872

jade cargoBOT Aug 24, 2019, 8:48 AM

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dynoSuccess Mc2r [HATED]#1876 has been warned.

young vault Aug 24, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Ive noticed one small detail after watching some gameplay of the upcoming italian autoreloader tanks from 6.3 open test. Arentall the shells supposed to start reloading at the same time that intra clip reload starts? Ive only noticed that happening on the last shell of the clip, but first and second ones only start reloading once intra clip is done. Was this done on purpose for all of these tanks to have terrible dpm or am i missing something?

lusty condor Aug 24, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Look up auto reloaded def

unique scaffold Aug 24, 2019, 9:13 AM

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@twin egret

round frost Aug 24, 2019, 9:16 AM

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I think the Kv-1s needs a buff, something needs to be done about tracks, I've been destroyed in many matches after my tracks were disabled multiple times, I couldn't move and they just kept shooting at me until I blew up.

young vault Aug 24, 2019, 9:26 AM

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Well, blitz devs havent really released in depth information about how auto reloader will work in their game but i assume it will work differently compared to pc version from what i see since on pc shells imediatly start reloading together with intraclip which makes it so you can use the tank effectively with firing one shot at a time, the more you dig into the clip the longer the reload for the shell becomes, but in blitz if you add intraclip and shell reload first shell actualy takes longer to reload than last one which is just weird compared to pc, but perhaps blitz devs have different ideas for how it works.

As far as the kv-1s goes @round frost the tank has a massive derp gun and people will do whatever it takes to make you stationary to not get hit for 400, have your repair kits ready when needed and you should not get into such situations as often.

round frost Aug 24, 2019, 9:27 AM

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Oof.

remote oriole Aug 24, 2019, 9:57 AM

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The autoreloading system has no in-build balancing factor and is thus an autoloader with a shell in the backhand instead of a single loading gun with a clip in the backhand; IS-3A style.

I regard that as bad implementation on behalf of Wargaming mobile. The best playstyle is just emptying the clip and go on single shooting until you get a bit of time to reload the clip. It literally combines the best parts of an autoloader and a single-shot gun.

This really is a shame because they could have introduced something new that you first have to get into, now there is no skill-ceiling whatsoever, it's straight, easy and forward, like yoloing at tier seven. It's a missed opportunity to give the older players something new.

unique scaffold Aug 24, 2019, 10:47 AM

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@dnshyy

fiery flame Aug 24, 2019, 11:09 AM

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@remote oriole yeah but dpm sucks

remote oriole Aug 24, 2019, 11:13 AM

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I don't try to say that it's unbalanced, I say that it's implemented or balanced the wrong way (in my opinion)

stable flint Aug 24, 2019, 12:18 PM

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T28 proto needs an engine buff..

young vault Aug 24, 2019, 12:33 PM

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I feel like theres something wrong with Type 4 Chi-To, tier 6 Jap. medium tank, I have never been set on fire as many times in any other tank ive ever played, as if having no armor and no mobility was not enough, i would assume that either fuel tanks or engine has near to no durability on this tank, the line itself is hard enough as it is and making this tank burn a bit less would reduce the frustration of new players trying to go up the line by a lot.

thin sand Aug 24, 2019, 1:00 PM

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How much frontal armour will the tiger 2 receive in update 6.3

spare notch Aug 24, 2019, 1:09 PM

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160 uperplate, 220 frontal turret and 100 in side of chasis

shadow dawn Aug 24, 2019, 1:09 PM

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can there be a e50m nerf because i have seen the charts and it is the best t10 medium by wr
and the most foolproof one
and what can a fv4202 do when it facehughs.........(and rams)

small sorrel Aug 24, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Will new consumables make e5 op?

shadow dawn Aug 24, 2019, 1:22 PM

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what is the point of having mediums when you add a consumable that will make any heavy a medium tank

fresh stream Aug 24, 2019, 1:22 PM

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ray tracing? 👀

fiery turtle Aug 24, 2019, 1:26 PM

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@young vault : On the Chi-To I carry the automatic fire extinguisher and the multi-repair kit, instead of the usual repair kit and multi-repair kit.

fiery flame Aug 24, 2019, 1:49 PM

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@shadow dawn the E50 is supposed to be the most armoured medium, just avoid face hugging with one and especially ramming it

shadow dawn Aug 24, 2019, 1:55 PM

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thats more easilly said then done when you have a lump of armour nobody knows how to pen for god sakes
and if so make it worse at what its best at because that seems to be the meta
OR you can make every other medium overpowered at what they were "supposed" to do like the e50m

vague mantle Aug 24, 2019, 1:58 PM

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👁

uneven surge Aug 24, 2019, 1:59 PM

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add my tank den

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grave bear Aug 24, 2019, 2:30 PM

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You guys seem to understand literally nothing about how auto reloader works.
First thing: You CANT unload the whole clip and start doing single shoot because 10 seconds reload for 350 dmg in tier X is not very good
Second thing: The last shell in the clip reloads faster than the first one
@remote oriole 3rd thing, progetto 65 is nothing close to op or easy to use, since bots will be out dpm'ed by any other tier X tank.
@remote orioleoh my god i know its stats better than you
@remote oriole Yes, add 3 seconds to every shell because its the time you need to wait every time you shoot, before it starts reloading.
anyway, these stats you wrote are wrong.
@round sundial they work like i just typed.
@round sundial the last shell loaded is the faster
everytime you shoot starts 3 seconds cooldown of intraclip reload, after that it starts reloading another shell.

remote oriole Aug 24, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Look at the stats if you don't believe me;
I'll just quickly give you the numbers BlitzHangar gives for the Progetto 65.

Actual single fire reload times (i.e. time to get one additional shell in the magazine upon firing):
7.88 seconds when two shells are in the drum (4.88s + 3s)
9.20 seconds when one shell is in the drum (6.20s + 3s)
7.53 seconds when no shell is in the drum (7.53s)

Because there is no intraclip reload if no shell is in the clip... Intraclip reload is the time to move the drum to load the next shell in the barrel, so if there is no shell in the drum there is no intraclip.

BlitzHangar standard set-up <- you get exactly these stats when you open Blitz Hangar and look at the Progetto 65

First of all, for knowing the stats so well you pulled a ten second reload out of nowhere. So please tell me, where are the ten seconds?

unique scaffold Aug 24, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Is this for the progetto or HSTV? @grave bear @remote oriole @full token read uptop a bit

full token Aug 24, 2019, 2:37 PM

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HSTV?

Oki I see now

remote oriole Aug 24, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Anyone who owns an M4/FL10 can confirm this; if you empty your clip your single shell reload is faster

Also, why does everyone think that i say that it's op or unbalanced... i just say that i am disappointed by the way they implemented the mechanic and think that they missed a chance there.

Feel free to write down the actual stats and we will work with those; the raw stats without the intraclip.

A: No; B: unload the clip while you can, reload it when you can. Running around with potential won't do any damage. When do you not need to know how much time you have to aim and shoot?

Point is - it is more likely that you only get one shot rather than a full clip if you don't want to lose all your hp, so setting a clip when it is possible is always the best option

grave bear Aug 24, 2019, 2:45 PM

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@remote oriole its a different tank lmao, progetto 65's first Shell reloads way slower than last one
4.88 vs 7.55, there will be a difference of 0.2 seconds.
= its better shooting with the last shell because you have 2 shells backpack while if you shoot with first shell you're just an awful dpm med.
can u stop spamming reactions?

@remote oriole you smart, you need to know how much time you have for shooting.

round yarrow Aug 24, 2019, 2:55 PM

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@jade cargo 🙄

remote oriole Aug 24, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Another thought.
The average time for a single shot to reload when you shoot the third shell of the drum only is 7.88.
For a clip it is (3s + 3s + 7.55s + 6.20s + 4.88s) : 3 = 8.21 seconds

So you only reload ca. 0.5 seconds longer per shell if you play it like an autoloader.

I would prefer the following stats (fully maxed out):

4 seconds with two shells in the drum
6 seconds with one shell in the drum
10 seconds with no shell in the drum
3 seconds intraclip

grave bear Aug 24, 2019, 2:58 PM

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imo first shell reload needs to be a bit longer
the highest dpm ever needs to be the longest to achieve, so, put it on the 3rd shell, but 0.2 sec is like no difference between 1st one.
@round sundialplaying it like an autoloader will make you have just 100less dpm than shooting single shoot, thats basically stupid, im sure they'll change that

full token Aug 24, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Tank is still in testing. Stats can change

round sundial Aug 24, 2019, 3:00 PM

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The entire point is, in WoT PC, shooting as a single shot tank with full clip will result in significantly more DPM than when you keep shooting your last shot only, so it opens up many possibilities of gameplay. Here, it isn't the case and it's possible to play it simply as an autoloader @grave bear

unique scaffold Aug 24, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Thinking of the proposed guns up top possible autoloader that has a 2.5 second single shot reload?

remote oriole Aug 24, 2019, 3:08 PM

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For the HSTV I still very much prefer the fast burst - long reload option to ensure that it can push a lot of damage out in a very short time in close combat when flanking, but to avoid it being able to snipe effectively from a hidden position....
Very much a yolo tank, but because it is so fragile people would have to be careful which targets they choose.

About the dispersion, the hidden stats would have to be adjusted in a manner to ensure that it would still be somewhat effective on mid ranges, like 50%.

I actually fancy an autoloader with three shots; 2 shells per shot (so a six round burst) with 1.5 - 3 seconds intraclip with a good old 18-20 second reload (160 alpha damage in case you wonder at tier ten)

grave bear Aug 24, 2019, 3:11 PM

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fun fact: Gravedigger-like guns are trash because you get 0.900+ dispersion after the first shot if you wanna burst, making it impossible to actually hit something.

unique scaffold Aug 24, 2019, 3:33 PM

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I’m fine with the burst idea and the gravedigger I don’t have it so I don’t know if it has good accuracy

grave bear Aug 24, 2019, 3:44 PM

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it has good accuracy, but nothing has good accuracy if you shoot 0.4 seconds after shot.
unless you have faster aiming time than intraclip reload time.

toxic valley Aug 24, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Plz buff 30B.... 30B is bad DPM than other mts

grave bear Aug 24, 2019, 4:49 PM

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lmao pls buff one of the best tier x mts

unique scaffold Aug 24, 2019, 5:31 PM

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U should stop buffing, u should start nerfing. I just say - Smasher.

coarse harness Aug 24, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Or maybe buff the Centurions speed to 45 km/h
Those tanks are far from OP🙄

grizzled sleet Aug 24, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Cent just needs some dpm, you can't work with a 190 alpha with a 4.9 second reload like a 4 second reload would make it work

twin egret Aug 24, 2019, 5:40 PM

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they should stay 40km, that's their historical top speed
@unique scaffold why did you ping me

distant river Aug 24, 2019, 5:41 PM

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@coarse harness cent 1 is a good tank and 7/1 is an amazing tank, they definitely dont need buffs

coarse harness Aug 24, 2019, 6:18 PM

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WoTB is not about history if you haven't noticed yet

@distant river I did not say they are bad
I like the 7/1, but the Cent 1 is not that good
It has the lowest alfa in T8 but the DPM is just avarage
On the other hand it has the highest pen among the meds but that is more like an overkill

wicked jackal Aug 24, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Dear WG what u did to foch and the autoloder is just ridiculous..... fast heavy armoured vehicle which can easily clip my grille and i need to use heat to be able to do anything... if that is your game ballance than change people who decides about it cause they simply dont test their ideas!

noble siren Aug 24, 2019, 6:24 PM

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And people were complaining about Vk100...

distant river Aug 24, 2019, 6:34 PM

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@coarse harness if they are not bad tanks then they do not need a buff.

twin egret Aug 24, 2019, 6:34 PM

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@wicked jackal why are you playing Grille in the first place tho lol

coarse harness Aug 24, 2019, 6:42 PM

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@distant river actually there are no bad tanks in the game just better and worse ones🤷🏻‍♂️

grizzled sleet Aug 24, 2019, 6:45 PM

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T28 begs to differ so does KV-4

distant river Aug 24, 2019, 6:45 PM

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There are definitely bad tanks in the game 🤦 look at the T28, WZ120, ferd, T69 etc

nimble zodiac Aug 24, 2019, 6:47 PM

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U know what’s worse? The MS-1, it does 2 damage and 1 with APCR with top gun. It had to be removed 👀💧 in all seriousness the T28 Prot is just meh, the T28 is just meh, give T28 prot a 152mm maybe, and lead a T30 from tier 8

hot sun Aug 24, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Give t28 proto a better engine and maybe faster traverse, it suffers cause it's easily flanked and HE'd on it sides and rear. And I feel the T28 needs better side armor

wicked jackal Aug 24, 2019, 6:56 PM

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@twin egret because i like to? Is this a problem? Its not about grille but about foch

coarse harness Aug 24, 2019, 6:57 PM

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The WZ-120 is not bad at all just the 3° gun dep is painful
The T69 is now buffed but I could use it before the nerf as well
It has the highest med DPM right now in T8 (says Blitzhangar aaand there is a bug)
The Ferdinand was useful when it got the buff but they nerfed it idk why

wraith lance Aug 24, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Isn't the Ferdinand a bit irrelevant because the Jpanther II exists?

Honestly, the Ferdi should have a better gun than the Jpanther II to make up for the lack of mobility, right now it only has a better gun arc and gun depression

nimble zodiac Aug 24, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Yeah, only win on the ferd is the hull armor, which still doesn’t work

distant river Aug 24, 2019, 7:01 PM

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I would say buff the turret armour. Give it 250mm around the mantlet (from 203) and then 180mm on the sides of the turret (from 127). This means it will actually be able to use its turret without getting penned consistently, but it will still be able to be penned with prammo. Also a 20mm buff to the sides and rear would be very good. It would make it much more competitive, but it would still be slow and balenced.

120 is a bad tank. It can only function on flat ground and even then it is just meh. T69 definitely does not have the highest dpm of tier 8 meds, there is the panther 2, cdc, indien, pz58, cent etc

grizzled sleet Aug 24, 2019, 7:11 PM

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T69 was good tho

coarse harness Aug 24, 2019, 7:20 PM

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I played the 120, enjoyed it, my stats are quite good on it and similar to the other T9 meds🤷🏻‍♂️

distant river Aug 24, 2019, 7:26 PM

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I love the prot, and can play it very well. That does not mean it is a good tank 🤦

karmic steeple Aug 24, 2019, 7:27 PM

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I think you’re spot on @distant river it’s too easy just too flank around and be shot with HE on the side and it’s turret weakspots should be at least reduced to EXP size

noble siren Aug 24, 2019, 7:32 PM

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@karmic steeple for which tank?

coarse harness Aug 24, 2019, 7:35 PM

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These are just opinions not facts
On the charts the Prot is not bad so they won't buff it

If someone can't use a tank that's not a balance issue

distant river Aug 24, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Charts are for 55-65% players who know how to use low speed tanks (generally). Normal players do pretty badly in it because they dont use its depression or dpm.

abstract oar Aug 24, 2019, 7:37 PM

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I think that the M26 Pershing and the Centurion I aren't balanced anymore. This tanks are so long in the game and they were really strong in 2014 and 2015. But now they are a way to bad I think. Other new tanks get stronger and stronger so that the M26 Perhing and Centurion I get automaticly weaker...

And you can see that this two tanks are rare in battle becauso of this.
For example:
M26 Pershing: DPM- or turretarmor-buff
Centurion I: DPM-buff

These little buffs would make this two vehicles great again. I really think that. 😉

karmic steeple Aug 24, 2019, 7:39 PM

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I think all those two tanks need would be a slight buff they’re not bad rn similar to the tiger2 but not good either so a slight buff will probably make them viable again. Pershing gun needs a pen buff not just for the Pershing but the low pen makes the m46 Patton grind insanely hard as you play tier 10s

noble siren Aug 24, 2019, 7:45 PM

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I think T28Prot should receive a little speed love because it's really slow. Btw when will they nerf the Foch?

slim rivet Aug 24, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Lemme get some nice average damages then u can ask for a foch nerf lmao @noble siren

grizzled sleet Aug 24, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Speed the speed needs a nerf

full token Aug 24, 2019, 8:03 PM

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Lol WG gave it the autoloader and buffed the cupola armor in the same update @crystal wyvern

echo garden Aug 24, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Matilda nerf pls

distant river Aug 24, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Nerf the viewfinders armour so it actually pens when you shoot it and limit top speed to 35, as well as reducing hp to 1100. Either that or remove the autoloader and leave it exactly how it was before WG messed it up

grizzled sleet Aug 24, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Well no I'd buff the single shot but nerf the speed to 45 max

stoic pebble Aug 24, 2019, 8:13 PM

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I was saying how if they added the autoloader they have to increase the RoF of the single shot gun to compensate for the loss of the rammer but they didn't do that which means its completely obsolete. All they really have to do is to make the reload time of the autoloader significantly longer and return the single shot gun to its former potential rate of fire if vents are equipped. However if they want to make the autoloader an upgrade like the E100's guns then they can do whatever

noble siren Aug 24, 2019, 8:16 PM

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@crystal wyvern I prefer Armor nerf on Foch so it can't freely rush in the middle of the map and destroy peoples plays. I think that even without its speed it will be still pretty good, It will be still able to camp somewhere he can use effectively its armor.

crude pumice Aug 24, 2019, 8:18 PM

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Foch's cupola buff is so bad and brainless.
it's already enough small.
unacceptable buff

grizzled sleet Aug 24, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Nerfing the armour would make the foch not a foch so no

tired sky Aug 24, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Any plans on removing the 183 from the game...u know since now its the worst tank at Tier10

distant river Aug 24, 2019, 8:32 PM

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@grizzled sleet a foch without an impenetrable main plate is still a foch

grizzled sleet Aug 24, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Bruh lol who plays the foch for any reason besides the armour and mobility

somber hazel Aug 24, 2019, 8:41 PM

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@crystal wyvern imagine arguing on here

acoustic shard Aug 24, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Wz-121 Buff Needed. and no not the DPm the Dpm is Fine (Managable). What It really needs a better accuracy. As of now the Fact that the Aiming circle Gets smaller fast make's no Difference if you can't hut anything at range which is what you want to do in a lower dpm tank. most to all shots Fly into the ground or over the target. You can't have low dpm, bad pen AND bad accuracy.

distant river Aug 24, 2019, 8:44 PM

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@grizzled sleet it can now delete tanks in 7 sec, as well as having armour and speed. It needs one of these removed

grizzled sleet Aug 24, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Like I said a speed nerf would do quite well but I think the auto should be reworked into a 4 shot 350 (bc at this point who cares about if the tank actually had that particular gun).
@ember seal elaborate

ember seal Aug 24, 2019, 8:53 PM

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speed nerf woulndt do anything. Plus The foch 155 the frontal armor needs to be nerfed

wraith lance Aug 24, 2019, 8:57 PM

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My best bet is a clip reload nerf (it doesn't make sense if it has more DPM than the single shot gun), so it would become much more vulnerable when reloading

and maybe a gun handling nerf to make the single shot gun a better option for people who prefer shooting from a distance

The point that I'm trying to make is that people should choose a gun based on the playstyle they prefer, but right now the autoloader is straight up better than the single shot gun except for a bit of accuracy (0.345 vs 0.355)

grizzled sleet Aug 24, 2019, 8:59 PM

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If your shooting from a distance in a foch your doing it wrong

winged barn Aug 24, 2019, 10:46 PM

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So you are saying the only upside of the (not dpm) gun is useless? Nice.

wraith lance Aug 24, 2019, 11:00 PM

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teal olive Aug 24, 2019, 11:44 PM

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B a l a n c e

deft owl Aug 24, 2019, 11:47 PM

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@wraith lance Bc top gun is straight-up better then its stock gun. Same goes for E100.

wraith lance Aug 25, 2019, 12:01 AM

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@deft owl I don't think it was WG's plan to make the autoloader gun straight up better, just different, like on the FV4202 or M41 Bulldog where you have 2 different guns that are suited for different players.

The problem with the new 155 gun is that the advantages (dpm and aiming time) outweigh the disadvantages (accuracy) by a considerable margin

fringe parrot Aug 25, 2019, 12:34 AM

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Can anybody explain me why the WZ-111G FT has 18 seconds reload time and the Obj 704 13,5 seconds?

I mean the Obj 704 is technically surperior over the 111G FT in every way.
Armour, gun, mobility, hitbox, etc.

The gun of the 111G FT has four (4!) mm more pen than the 704 and a slightly better aim time but than doesnt explain why the 111G FT should have almost 5 sec more reload time.

Or am I missing something? Please tell me something I don't know because I can't explain myself why the DPM of the WZ-111G FT is that much worse compared to any other 15+cm TDs in T9.

rigid wigeon Aug 25, 2019, 12:39 AM

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The answer is called “WG balance”

visual nimbus Aug 25, 2019, 12:47 AM

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I really like the 111G. Armor works really well if you use it correctly, decent mobility and a great gun...heck I’d take it over the 704 any day

fringe parrot Aug 25, 2019, 12:51 AM

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I mean the 111G FT isnt unplayable or so but it just doesnt make any sense to have a tank that is inferior to another tank in every aspect.

The 704 has the weird IS stripes on the front/back that bounce alot of shots. The 111G FT simply has no armour in any imaginable angle.

And if the team is losing again the 111G FT aint going to change that because it gets outgunned by any other tank in its tier...

nimble zodiac Aug 25, 2019, 12:53 AM

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do u have 100% crew?

deft owl Aug 25, 2019, 12:56 AM

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@fringe parrot How the hell Obj 704 has better armor then wz 111g ft? Even tho Wz has much better soft stats then 704.

You are comparising without even doing a damn research. All you do people are mindlessly complain.

@wraith lance You cant know their intentions.

fringe parrot Aug 25, 2019, 1:02 AM

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@nimble zodiac Got the WZ on 95%. Aint gonna change much.

@deft owl What do you mean with "research"? Would be more helpful if you would actually tell me something I dont know instead of insulting people randomly.

harsh ravine Aug 25, 2019, 1:02 AM

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the WZ has worse DPM than the T30, but if you think about it, the WZ can at least slug it out unlike the Obj 704. Sure the WZ has those superstructure cheeks and overall weak sides, rear and the lower plate, but if you manage not expose those weakness’s, than you can bounce some shots

nimble zodiac Aug 25, 2019, 1:08 AM

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@fringe parrot u gonna have to hulldown m8

unique scaffold Aug 25, 2019, 2:34 AM

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Tier 6 jg TD is to op in my opinion

safe copper Aug 25, 2019, 3:11 AM

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Looks like someone watched bushka

near warren Aug 25, 2019, 3:56 AM

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buff de M4 Fl10

nimble zodiac Aug 25, 2019, 4:39 AM

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People haps this fits better in #vehicles-discussion but ok

undone merlin Aug 25, 2019, 4:44 AM

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How about no. I already gave a whole talk in Bushka's server a week or so ago about why this tank would be terrible for the game and wouldn't work with our current game mechanics.

unique scaffold Aug 25, 2019, 4:53 AM

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@nimble zodiac thank I’ll delete this and post it there

hot sun Aug 25, 2019, 6:24 AM

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m4 fl10 is fineee, and imo it works quite well with current game mechanics

velvet scarab Aug 25, 2019, 6:38 AM

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twin egret Aug 25, 2019, 6:39 AM

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what's wrong ?

full token Aug 25, 2019, 6:41 AM

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I think it’s about the removed autoloader on that tank

velvet scarab Aug 25, 2019, 7:05 AM

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One more secret nerf to M5 Stuart. Where is the auto-loader gun? Luchs: secret nerf. M5 Stuart: secret nerf. That's very wrong idea for WG. Bring back M5 Stuart auto-load gun and old Luchs.

full dew Aug 25, 2019, 7:07 AM

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@distant river if you're going that much with the buff for the proto then why have the t28 defender? Proto would outdpm it, will have same armour(or even better because it has no cupolas) and the only compensation would be like 5km speed which is not much at all
The t28 proto already has way better dpm than the defender and better pen

remote oriole Aug 25, 2019, 7:11 AM

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The M5 Stuart got no secret nerf, it was in the update news for everyone to read.

The T28 Proto. should have a better dpm than the T28 Defender because it has no magazine; a balancing rule obviously nobody cares about (I don't know the stats, but I don't understand why anyone would complain about it having better dpm). Also, the T28 Defender has way better side armour

full dew Aug 25, 2019, 7:18 AM

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Bruh imagine complaining about side armour when the def doesn't have that much either and can be penned from any angle. The only thing it has is autobounce angles which realistically are never used. What do you think you're driving, an is 3? Also way better=/=30mm. The proto already has its advantages over the def which are much more than enough to compensate for bad side armour and less mobility

remote oriole Aug 25, 2019, 7:36 AM

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Way better basically means that you won't get HEed by everyone who cares to load it

Point is that the Defender is by no means weak, and nobody would have to worry about it doing bad. However, i wouldn't support a buff of the T28 Proto because I think that it is pretty balanced

twin egret Aug 25, 2019, 8:38 AM

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and will also lead to tunneling xd

distant river Aug 25, 2019, 8:40 AM

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@LottsaDamage#0664 the defender has better hull and aide armour, as well as having way more HP. It also doesnt have the clip. Currently T28 defender is a much better choice as it is only worse in dpm. There is no reason why the defender should have more HP as well as armour and better speed

twin egret Aug 25, 2019, 9:34 AM

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give FV4202 120mm? Irl, was supposed to have 120mm
would be quite interesting, something to rival the WZ-121 in a way

outer hawk Aug 25, 2019, 9:35 AM

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M5 stuart autoloader is sealclubbing device.

marble galleon Aug 25, 2019, 10:49 AM

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M5 Stuart was OP and being abused by seal clubbers, just like they did with the A-20 HE pen; abuse it and lose it

fleet stump Aug 25, 2019, 10:53 AM

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@hot sun -2 more Gun Depression and the FL10 is perfect.

flat stag Aug 25, 2019, 10:55 AM

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the upcoming 14tp (polish nation tier III) will have an autoloader gun with 1300 dpm.. so again a sealclubbing vehicle in game in few weeks... -.-

marble galleon Aug 25, 2019, 11:05 AM

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Looking forward to grinding a new line for the first time. this one really seems to be fun

fiery flame Aug 25, 2019, 11:29 AM

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@twin egret or you can just use HESH and easily rival the 121 with 440 alpha

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fringe parrot Aug 25, 2019, 11:50 AM

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@fiery flame except it makes you poor.

thick rover Aug 25, 2019, 12:02 PM

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121 paid alot to get 120mm gun, if FV is gonna get that it's gonna have to pay
Well there's a big difference between 120mm gun and just using HESH to get same damage

unique scaffold Aug 25, 2019, 1:37 PM

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Who else think that Pershing is definitely too weak?

noble siren Aug 25, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Panther ll: Am I joke to you?

unique scaffold Aug 25, 2019, 1:43 PM

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@unique scaffold persh is alright...just play hulldown and it's OP

karmic steeple Aug 25, 2019, 1:59 PM

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There’s nothing op about the Pershing

unique scaffold Aug 25, 2019, 2:14 PM

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unique scaffold Aug 25, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Can you give Leo and AMX 30 B the normal 400mm pen? Both had 400mm penetration with HEAT

carmine gate Aug 25, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Foch 155 autoloader i dont like the idea how it does so much damage it does the most damage out of all the tank so please lower the damage on the Foch 155 autoloader damage

nimble zodiac Aug 25, 2019, 3:31 PM

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@velvet scarab wait, another secret nerf to Luchs? When?

velvet scarab Aug 25, 2019, 3:39 PM

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@nimble zodiac not another. That nerf came with collector tanks.