#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 138

violet sonnet Jul 29, 2019, 11:36 PM

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It's definitely worth for those nuking moments

smoky yoke Jul 29, 2019, 11:36 PM

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@twilit crystal Well you gonna see alot more since its the most played tank more would complain

twilit crystal Jul 29, 2019, 11:38 PM

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TBH its a game and maybe tanks could also be balanced on net Happiness factoring. Sure you get those lol derp moments but most moments you will fail. This would be speaking on tier ten terms where there is no more grind

unique scaffold Jul 29, 2019, 11:41 PM

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and e50 guns are so expensive can be reduced?

hot sun Jul 30, 2019, 12:39 AM

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Lol still have peeps complaining about 183? Like uni said, its prolly the most played 10 tier tank, and a lot who play it have low skill sets who want to sit in a corner or in the back and unleash 1300 damage in one shot , ruining the overall stats on the tank making it seem awful.

Instead of complaining about buffing it, learn how to play it. You literally out trade every tank in tier 10.

desert flame Jul 30, 2019, 12:42 AM

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What about the Leo 1?
Who thinks it needs a buff?
Maybe introduce the Leo 2? :/

warped anchor Jul 30, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Leo 1 is fine

hearty hawk Jul 30, 2019, 1:04 AM

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Increase the penetration of the AT7 auto loader, it's pents really bad

chilly stump Jul 30, 2019, 1:07 AM

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While we’re on the fv 215b 183 can we try to negotiate a little more gun depression? It has the clearance but literally you can barely aim down it kinda sucks but I understand the glass cannon thing it’s already good with the 183 cannon but I just get kind of triggered when I’m aiming just above tanks hesh loaded ready go erase people but then I can’t shoot them because of no depression lol like REEE

night lantern Jul 30, 2019, 1:39 AM

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How do i get to a tire 10 fast

dim field Jul 30, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Premium tank that you're good with. Use gold to convert elite xp to free xp and use blth free xp and blue xp boosters. It's not cheap but it's faster than pure grinding

indigo ice Jul 30, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Can we have a buff for the FCM 50 T lol
I think a gun depression buff from -8 to -10 like on PC would be very nice, maybe even buffing the manlet of the turret

frail harbor Jul 30, 2019, 2:43 AM

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Hola

indigo knot Jul 30, 2019, 3:32 AM

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Personally I would love to see 121b getting module damage buff(gets set on fire easily) and Leo1 getting a turret traverse buff and a bit of DPM settin it apart from russian meds...just an opinion though

inland arch Jul 30, 2019, 4:23 AM

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CREEPER

molten fulcrum Jul 30, 2019, 5:04 AM

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I would just like to know, (HOW DO YOU GET A TEAM THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!!!!!!)

deep kindle Jul 30, 2019, 5:05 AM

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How do you start a clan?

indigo knot Jul 30, 2019, 5:08 AM

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@molten fulcrum ping the map or write in chat....if they don't follow they carry them

boreal crag Jul 30, 2019, 6:01 AM

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su 152 HE will be getting nerfed? cuz it has the same HE that KV-2 has....

hot sun Jul 30, 2019, 6:07 AM

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Kv2 is a bigger issue concerning HE pen. It frequently sees t5 battles and can literally one shot any tank in t5 and t6. The su 152 on the other hand requires more work to get off derp shots and sees tier 8. The reasoning for the kv2 HE nerf is to give lower tier players more of a chance to be active in battle instead of being deleted right away. Also with 76 pen, its still has decent HE pen.

So basically: Gotta be more skilled with the kv2 when update is out instead of just tapping a button and seeing a tank blow up

ebon solstice Jul 30, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Heya guys how balanced do you feel the E25 is considering the small maps it faces?

ripe prawn Jul 30, 2019, 6:55 AM

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I want to use FV4202

unique scaffold Jul 30, 2019, 7:16 AM

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Hu

unique scaffold Jul 30, 2019, 8:20 AM

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I think the tier one American tank should be nerfed it's way too op and I can't seal club in that tier anymore

twin egret Jul 30, 2019, 8:37 AM

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PZ II is the best tier 1

unique scaffold Jul 30, 2019, 8:44 AM

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1 v 1 me, jk

noble siren Jul 30, 2019, 9:18 AM

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Why people still want buff on fv183? This tank can still ruin others people game, literally take 1300 hp from them...

deft owl Jul 30, 2019, 9:40 AM

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@noble siren Because it sucks thats why.

noble siren Jul 30, 2019, 9:49 AM

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No?

thick rover Jul 30, 2019, 9:50 AM

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?

unique scaffold Jul 30, 2019, 10:25 AM

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Who like poland

wet wharf Jul 30, 2019, 10:35 AM

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Germany wants to know your location

unique scaffold Jul 30, 2019, 10:37 AM

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This is balance discussion

deft owl Jul 30, 2019, 10:59 AM

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@noble siren What makes you think it doesnt sucks? Have you ever checked #devs-answers?

hot sun Jul 30, 2019, 11:05 AM

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....... the 183 "sucks" because lots of peopel have the tendency to camp in it instead of being a dynamic and helpful component of a team. In said camping they typically get off one shot then they are mauled to pieces by the opposing team because either 1) they refuse to notice the 183 has a bad camo rating and get rekt when spotted. Or 2) they are the last surviving member of their team and are over ran because they were camping. In the hands of a capable player, the 183 can cause havok

Also bare in mind, many players have yet to adjust their camping gameplay to the camo nerf of 183 :/

digital marsh Jul 30, 2019, 11:08 AM

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Yes

ivory fractal Jul 30, 2019, 11:16 AM

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@molten fulcrum nothing to do with balance, that’s just a general and common vent 😂

deft owl Jul 30, 2019, 11:21 AM

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@hot sun %55-65 players are capable players.

unique scaffold Jul 30, 2019, 11:46 AM

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Hi how many have gone by

dusky oxide Jul 30, 2019, 11:57 AM

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I wonder why people camp in the DS or WT4... It must not have anything to do with the tanks

dreamy crest Jul 30, 2019, 12:30 PM

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DS?

unique scaffold Jul 30, 2019, 12:32 PM

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Death Star

thin condor Jul 30, 2019, 12:34 PM

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@deft owl cries 54.87%

merry stump Jul 30, 2019, 12:46 PM

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i rarely camp with 183 but my team is just using me as thier advantages >:|
anyways who want platoon?

unique scaffold Jul 30, 2019, 12:48 PM

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#502019319417405441

low plover Jul 30, 2019, 12:48 PM

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I want

clever mauve Jul 30, 2019, 2:12 PM

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@still ivy will the OG tier 1 tanks ever make a return to the game?

quick crown Jul 30, 2019, 3:06 PM

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doubt so
Maybe tomorrow.
need to sleep
11:10pm
GMT +8 here

unique scaffold Jul 30, 2019, 3:09 PM

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@quick crown Hellcat was better.

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We should talk planes in #off-topic-discussion

twilit crystal Jul 30, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Kv2 is a tier lower and has a turret. argument finished. The 183 is a horrible tank but rightfully so because people still spam it despite being horrible

simple mango Jul 30, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Plz give the t57 heavy thé rightful 155mm it deserves, if u don’t believe me go look it up

dense walrus Jul 30, 2019, 3:43 PM

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@simple mango wg doesn't give any craps about realism anymore

rancid spindle Jul 30, 2019, 4:23 PM

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They need to give the Hetzer its derp gun back. That tank has become useless ever since they removed it.

twilit crystal Jul 30, 2019, 4:23 PM

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no lol. You just want to seal club. The 75 mm is fine

hidden frigate Jul 30, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Thank GAWD for the Foch 155 changes coming up, because it is currently trash.

unique scaffold Jul 30, 2019, 5:06 PM

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@unique scaffold English only

indigo knot Jul 30, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Read the servers name @unique scaffold

crystal spoke Jul 30, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Or read the rules

distant river Jul 30, 2019, 5:28 PM

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@unique scaffold or just generally use some sense

jade cargoBOT Jul 30, 2019, 5:34 PM

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dynoSuccess Elon Musk#8833 has been warned.

unique scaffold Jul 30, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Face palm 😂

silk horizon Jul 30, 2019, 6:06 PM

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@unique scaffold I have a problem

quick lichen Jul 30, 2019, 6:15 PM

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@silk horizon pm me your problem

formal forge Jul 30, 2019, 6:23 PM

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I think the tier 7 T20 needs an buff. Its very underated, almost every tier 7 meduim has something very good about it like: Panther 1 with his great dpm Lttb with his great speed etc.. But the T20? It is very underpowerd compared to tier 7 meduims

quick lichen Jul 30, 2019, 6:24 PM

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It has gun depression

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And really high pen

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Best accuracy while moving

tame fox Jul 30, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Lttb is not a medium 🤔

formal forge Jul 30, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Penetration high? I think it is average (128mm on Ap 177 on apcr) Comet has great turret depression but little bit less+ more pen and more dpm. I agree with accuracy while moving. 7s for 200 dmg? I think is way too long for such low dmg for his reload. Oh lttb isnt a meduim sry. Andddd pls do the decrease cooldown on this channel its very annoying >_<

quick lichen Jul 30, 2019, 6:39 PM

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3rd best pen for tier 7 mediums

indigo knot Jul 30, 2019, 6:44 PM

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If i remember its got 244 apcr pen at tier 7....
And I think you are seeing stats of stock gun or a tier below

formal forge Jul 30, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Now i come after yes it had 244mm pen on his apcr. (Was looking on the stock gun cuz the asistant always begins with stock gun) btw do this tank needs an buff? Maybe increase his reload form 7.3s (not sure) to about 5.9s?

unique scaffold Jul 30, 2019, 6:50 PM

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5.9? U crazy?

gusty sequoia Jul 30, 2019, 6:51 PM

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T25/2 has 4.9 secs 225 damage

formal forge Jul 30, 2019, 6:58 PM

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I say “about” cuz idk it will be too strong or too weak ¯_ツ_/¯ . Maybe buff his reload form 7.3s (again not sure) to around something like between 6s and 7s. Or just decreasing his dispersion form 0.38 to something like 0.36. T25/2 is an td. Td always (not all) have better gun then heavies/lights/meduim.

noble siren Jul 30, 2019, 7:24 PM

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Does St1 need any gun buff like accuracy or aiming time (very little changes)?

charred bobcat Jul 30, 2019, 7:27 PM

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No

nimble zodiac Jul 30, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Nah, most of ST-Is purpose is to bounce enemy shells and the gun is still somewhat intimidating, an armored IS-8 if you will

finite compass Jul 30, 2019, 7:35 PM

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AKA the IS4 at tier 9

unique scaffold Jul 30, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Is t34 America premium tank or is-6 better
Cause I have 7575 gold and I have to watch ads to get more but which between them two is better. Ping me or I won't know ur talking to me

noble siren Jul 30, 2019, 8:45 PM

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t34 is way too better

distant river Jul 30, 2019, 8:47 PM

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@unique scaffold IS6 has been power creeped out of existence, T34 is a nice tank, works ridgelines very well and can complete with the rest of the premium spam at tier 8

gusty sequoia Jul 30, 2019, 8:48 PM

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@Zero Two T34 it's too better than all others Tank

crystal basin Jul 30, 2019, 8:55 PM

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@@unique scaffold Is6, has 0 reasons To buy it, since if u are in clan and got tier X clan chest u can get is5 for 1.5k gold. So beetween those 2 its t34. (but I would save until xmas, usually good prizes for prem tanks and option To get something much better than t34. Ps. If u want tier 8 prem heavy, dont put löwe out of sight or as medium t26e4 🤔

unique scaffold Jul 30, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Why the Kpfpz 70 has lesser alpha with a 152 mm anti buildings/missile launcher gun than a 5.5 inches gun, a 140 mm one? It's a complete nonsense

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crystal basin Jul 30, 2019, 9:28 PM

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Because its not soviet tank, so wg hates it. There is No real reason, they just buffed everything what it didnt need, and still keep it gun as a peashooter

hot sun Jul 30, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Also bare in mind, wg rarely rarely ever nerfs a premium tank. So if they did buff the kpfs gun to do 640 alpha per shot, it could become a very strong or op tank. And if that happens then thats an issue lol. Tier 9 prems are known to be balanced within their tier. And i personally like that. I just say it need a gd buff

rigid chasm Jul 30, 2019, 9:35 PM

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The DPM sucks, accuracy is meh, and in most maps...you can't hide your hull, so you have to do a sort of hull-down to even stay alive. It is also team dependent. If your team is bad, you're nothing to the enemy.
If a med circles you though..you're pretty much dead in that tank..
It needs a DPM and damage per shot buff, otherwise it's not gonna be too great

indigo knot Jul 30, 2019, 9:56 PM

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@unique scaffold you are a F2P player so wait a bit when these prices of the tanks go down ...there are events when there is 20%-25% discount on tech tree premium tanks

deft owl Jul 30, 2019, 10:57 PM

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@quick lichen Now lets talk about t20 disadvantages.

Dpm sucks.
Armor is non existent.
Mobility is meh. (same as kv-13)
Its pretty much a worse dracula in every single way.

Anything am i missed?

quick lichen Jul 30, 2019, 10:58 PM

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I certainly didn’t say it’s good tank

violet sonnet Jul 30, 2019, 11:44 PM

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Not everything thats powerCreeped can be adjusted.
Tier7 has so many meds waiting for adjustments. T20 at least has good 90mm which is top gun on Pershing LOL

twilit crystal Jul 31, 2019, 12:43 AM

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lol wat. We literally see the stats in blitzstars that states 350

quick lichen Jul 31, 2019, 12:45 AM

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@runic estuary but it has 1900 health

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mortal depot Jul 31, 2019, 12:58 AM

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I've never played wot on pc, I've played only blitz.
So, I want 2 know about wotPC what is concrete different from blitz

drifting depot Jul 31, 2019, 1:04 AM

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I feel like the t49 and it's 152 mm gun apart from being overused as hell, it is op as hell, it's pretty much a kv2 but waaaaay faster and with less armor

quick lichen Jul 31, 2019, 1:14 AM

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And I literally am testing the tank currently

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https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/progetto-65

Progetto 65 — Tier X Italian medium tank

Average HP, Good DPM, Penetration 245, Damage 350, Reload time 4.88 (Auto-reloader), Precise, Good gun depression, Fast, Small, Good mobility. All about the tank: hidden stats, armor, 3D model

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thick rover Jul 31, 2019, 1:25 AM

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Gone quiet HAHA

jade cargoBOT Jul 31, 2019, 1:26 AM

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dynoSuccess TheAdmiralPenguin#7246 was muted

twilit crystal Jul 31, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Lmao @quick lichen I thought you aren't allowed to share. Lmao just realized @quick lichen I think I shared that with you on here first lol

quick lichen Jul 31, 2019, 1:28 AM

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@twilit crystal not mine. Search progetto. Page 5-7?

zenith marten Jul 31, 2019, 2:59 AM

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@crystal basin

That’s complete and utter rubbish. If WG is supposed to love soviet tanks then please explain to me the new Progetto tank coming out and the Strv-103 for PC, which is really really strong I hear. Soviet bias has basically been power creeped out of the picture, so that’s not a reason to make the Kampfpanzer so weak. If I recall the Vk 100.01p and the Mauschen were and still are strong tanks too. So no reason to make a German heavy bad because most of them are pretty decent even after power creep.

twilit crystal Jul 31, 2019, 4:12 AM

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Id say WG maybe has an ever so slight bias to Soviet tanks but in reality it isn't really there. The only bias they have in the end is for $ which isn't wrong coz it is a company

indigo knot Jul 31, 2019, 5:42 AM

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Mauschen never seemed good tank to me....Op when top tier and useless when bottom tier....I would even drive VK45b tank over it

twin egret Jul 31, 2019, 7:58 AM

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so maus useless at tier 11?

formal forge Jul 31, 2019, 8:08 AM

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Yes if cold war tanks like T-64 or M1A1 is added in tier 11 then yes Maus is pretty useless. Even WG never will add tier 11. Go to WT then xD

twin egret Jul 31, 2019, 8:10 AM

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they did joke about tier 11 though 🤔

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2019, 9:30 AM

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@mortal depot WOTPC is a different beast...maps are huge in comparison and there's way many more tanks...and ways to be screened over by said tanks. 😂

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2019, 10:01 AM

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And it's like 5 times harder than blitz

ancient palm Jul 31, 2019, 11:01 AM

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Wow slow down not 5 times the only differences in the size of the map and the number of players cause in blitz 3 v 4 or 3 v 2 are normal and having an extra tank doesn't make a big impact...in PC it's either the whole team vs another or you split...but if you're unlucky and your team splits and you happen to encounter the other team it will be like 12 or 14 vs 6 or 8
I reached Tier 7 in PC (Tiger P) and a bunch of tier 6 and the biggest problem in -2/+2 matchmaking it's a pain

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2019, 12:22 PM

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Youve got no armour highlight, no free sixth sense, tracks need to be unlocked before other upgrades on most tanks, arty exists and will make your life hell, T8 premiums are even more broken, Fv 4005 and fv 215b 183 have higher alpha, Japanese heavies are stupidly good, additional xp is needed for the radios, players with fat wallets have op crews and so on

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What does that have to do with Blitz?

fiery flame Jul 31, 2019, 12:55 PM

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Blitz is definitely a much more casual and relaxed game when compared to PC

indigo knot Jul 31, 2019, 1:03 PM

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They should add assistance dmg column for the tanks in the stats bars....they are making a new UI currently so they can atleast do that

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Talk about blitz vehicle balance here. This isn't the PC discussion channel.

twin egret Jul 31, 2019, 1:06 PM

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tbh i feel like nerfing the amx 12 t is unnecessary

quasi hare Jul 31, 2019, 1:29 PM

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buff churchill 7

twin egret Jul 31, 2019, 1:32 PM

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it's already good

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Nerf t22med or buff obj140

twin egret Jul 31, 2019, 2:03 PM

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they should add that icon that tells you if your still spotted or not

fiery flame Jul 31, 2019, 2:10 PM

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T22 is probably the rarest tier X right now, they won’t touch it @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2019, 2:14 PM

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@fiery flame and? It's too good

austere bone Jul 31, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Let's be honest here st. Emil needs a speed buff and the top gun needs to cost less xp st. Emil has a average of 18 kmh with top engine and withough t consumables etc. Blitz stars has it as the lowest avrg wr yes the gun depression is good but that's doesn't make the tanks play style different because the tank is super big and slow how could you avoid a shot in it or bounce a shot and on top of that it being slow makes it impossible to hide its soft sides every tank can pen its side with HE and some tier 7 can one shot it

strong condor Jul 31, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Imagine wg buffing bad tech tree tanks 😂

visual nimbus Jul 31, 2019, 3:12 PM

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While the Emil is super slow, a super accurate 128mm is devastating and at tier 7! I think giving it a speed buff would be a little to over the top honestly. It’s a monster tank if used correctly

strong condor Jul 31, 2019, 3:12 PM

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Worst tier7 tank is a monster? Nice logic

austere bone Jul 31, 2019, 3:14 PM

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@strong condor i agree check it's stats on blitz stars it's obviously in need of a buff it has the worst avrg wr in tier 7 almost in entire blitz

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Well, emil is very slow. I think it would be good if he would be a little bit faster. BUT, emil is an TD and its not so important to move fast like an TD, i think a maximum speed of 25km would be okay in my opinion

twin egret Jul 31, 2019, 3:15 PM

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AMX CDC's gun just...it just needs a dispersion buff as well as an aim time buff....

visual nimbus Jul 31, 2019, 3:23 PM

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@strong condor I digress, the St Emil is no where near bad. It’s just a large amount of the player base don’t know Jack about its play style. That’s why it’s avg stats are bad.

strong condor Jul 31, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Feel free to think its good. Its not

twin egret Jul 31, 2019, 3:25 PM

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xd AMX CDC maybe could use a slight DPM buff

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Kpz70 needs more pen...

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Emil isn't bad , it's just hard to carry in slow unarmoured td

austere bone Jul 31, 2019, 3:30 PM

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@visual nimbus ok that still means in needs a buff if the majority isn't able to play it well just because few are good in the tank doesn't mean doesn't mean the tank isn't bad I understand what you belive but the play style shouldn't have to be so difficult the worst part of the tank is how big it is for its size

distant river Jul 31, 2019, 3:32 PM

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The emil is a decent tank. Great in the hands of a good player that knows how to use it. Imo it could do with a slight traverse buff but that is all. It is a well balanced tank for something so unique.

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Emil is good on tier VII but when you get
in tier VIII battles you completly dead. At tier VIII the rhm is much better, more dmg, more pen and rhm is faster so if you get in tier IX battles with rhm its possible or better say, its easy to make good dmg. I play from tier VI jpz to Grille15 and the tank i dont like was the emil...The jpz on tier VI was very fast and got a good reload, and was very small like the e25. The Rhm on tier VIII got a lot of dmg and good pen, and was very fast too (for an TD). The tier IX the WT was a very good tank too, not so fast but good dmg and high pen, same in the grille....so every tank was fast, without the emil....all the other tds from this tectree line (jpz-grille15) was fast, so why is the emil so fcking slow??

twin egret Jul 31, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Tbh, what if the E 25 took the St. Emil's place in WoTb? like way before the Grille 15 line was introduced
rip server doesn't like Caps

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Grille was never premium tank , and e 25 is too good

distant river Jul 31, 2019, 3:45 PM

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E25 is already a prem, and if WG wont swap badger for 183 then they arent doing that 🤷

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2019, 3:48 PM

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So at all we can say: emil is a good TD on tier VII, slow but with good gun depression and good pen, and if you know how to play it you can make good dmg with it :)

strong condor Jul 31, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Statistics say its the worst tier 7. That is what we can say

visual nimbus Jul 31, 2019, 3:53 PM

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183 is statistically the worst tier 10 yet it’s still a game breaker 🤷🏻‍♂️

austere bone Jul 31, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Idk how you guys can say it's good it literally sucks. Pros, good gun depression, good gun cons, bad armor, bad avr speed , bad traverse, can get one shot To from tier 6-10 and is st. Emil a game breaker and actually since nerf it's been the worst st. Emil always been the worst... And stats still say st Emil is worse...

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2019, 4:00 PM

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The su152 is in everything better as TD on tier VII as the emil...more dmg, better pen, better amor, faster...so emil is the worst TD in tier VII i think

distant river Jul 31, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Emil has an amazing gun and it can use pretty much any position on the map. It is a great tank for farming because it can use positions noone expects. Its definitely not a game breaker, people just keep tryinh to use it like a normal TD which is clearly not the right thing to do

violet sonnet Jul 31, 2019, 4:03 PM

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ST.Email was made to be skipped ... its a tank made for early days of blitz.
And news flash... THOSE DAYS ARE OVER.
ST at least need a speed buff which prevents it from dying in spawn
Not a tank for blitz... must be replaced

austere bone Jul 31, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Let me give you some truth st. Emil is slow big tank with 4th worst avrg wr in the game but has good gun and gun depression.. And @violet sonnet I agree that's the exact reason I said something after a game where I couldn't keep up with the team and a lttb kille me before I left spawn

visual nimbus Jul 31, 2019, 4:12 PM

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I completely disagree, if you are getting demolished in the tank constantly then it’s obvious you haven’t learned how to play it to it’s advantage. The problem is so many people use it as a standard TD.

teal olive Jul 31, 2019, 4:12 PM

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@violet sonnet I agree with the first bit

smoky yoke Jul 31, 2019, 4:13 PM

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Any slow tanks need a gun or armor to be effective in this game or it would just be useless in battles

distant river Jul 31, 2019, 4:13 PM

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^ and the emil has a great gun and depression

violet sonnet Jul 31, 2019, 4:16 PM

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In battles lasting 3min max. Where you spend half of the time moving out of spawn and if lucky enemy team doesn’t flank you in that span of time.. yes you CAN get 3- 4 shots out and do decent damage -> but this happens 1/10 battles.
Ppl realize this.. tier6 - 8 speed of Lts. And even some heavies, when compared to St. Email..is LIGHTYEARS faster.
It sure has good gun but u kinda have to move out of spawn and survive first

austere bone Jul 31, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Is it gun great tho... Compare to every other TD I tier 7 has like 2nd worst gun in tier 7 TD it just has a good enough gun ok what does someone do when the tier 7 Chinese TD or su 152 or t 25 2 trys to fight u its not a dpm crazy tank or a crazy tank in general all you can say is the gun is good.. U need more then a gun to be a good tank

distant river Jul 31, 2019, 4:23 PM

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The emil has amazing pen and decent alpha, as well as having german gun handling. It also has that amazing depression so its gun can be used in so many spaces that people will not expect. It is not a great tank, but it is a balanced tank. Bad players really struggle in it but good players can do great things with it

austere bone Jul 31, 2019, 4:28 PM

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St. Emil is like old man having sex with a 20 year does slow powerful hits but still can't keep up with the young people and takes 10 min to change position and takes 30 min to get hard but the young girl doesn't have 30min to waste literally only 1 tier 7 has less dpm.. And I been playing 5 years 51% I'm not bad am I...it's and just because few at good with the tank doesn't mean tank is good...

twin egret Jul 31, 2019, 4:29 PM

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The Sturer Emil is an Experimental tank destroyer developed on the basis of the VK 30.01(H) heavy tank. Only two vehicles were manufactured. They fought on the Eastern Front. The tank destroyer was designated as “Sturer Emil” (German for “Stubborn Emil”) due to frequent breakdowns. If you want to perform the best in the tank, I may suggest the following options: Get to a hulldown position which enables you to use ultimately all of your -15 degrees of depression, being near your team and using the most of your gun. The Sturer Emil is equipped with the 12,8 cm Kannone 40 Gun, which it's only ammunition loadout is Armor Piercing and High Explosive. The gun features -15 degrees of depression, impressive gun handling, decent penetration and decent Alpha Damage. The Front of the Sturer Emil is 75mm whilst the sides and rear are only 30mm. The tank weighs approx 39.39 tons with a base view range of 250 meters. The tank has 1000 health points with an engine power of 310 horsepower. Overall, this tank can perform quite well if placed in a well good position and used in all its strengths, it has many weaknesses though such as the lack of armor, as well as the tanks slow speed and traverse. The tank performs will when its teammates are near. If you want to hear the full stats of the tank, you can go to blitzhangar, blitzstars, wotinspector or the game client, World of Tanks Blitz. NOTE: not all information may be 100% true, some things can be false and misleading. If you so happen to find something regarding that please point it out as soon as possible as I may not have the time to correct myself quick enough to do so. Not to mention the Sturer Emil is a fantastic tank to some or many players, I can agree upon that the Sturer Emil is a good tank itself. Please enjoy this small paragraph about the Sturer Emil's History, Tanks Stats and it's recommendations on how to properly play it. Enjoy. St. Emil needs buff/nerf? tell everyone why you think it needs one. St Emil rn is good.

distant river Jul 31, 2019, 4:33 PM

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@austere bone maybe the emil just doesnt fit your playstyle 🤷 it is a very unique tank that takes a lot of getting used to, but then it works great. As long as you are constantly using your depression to get shots off you should do great

visual nimbus Jul 31, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Exactly

civic summit Jul 31, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Hm

austere bone Jul 31, 2019, 4:38 PM

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Literally all of you that say it's a good tank go to blitz stars compare to the rest of the tier 7 TDs and the tell me it doesn't need a buff and it's few play style according to blitz stars.. @distant river and just because you like the tank doesn't mean it doesn't need a buff and that's facts.. There is no way to argue about that the st. Emil does not do well in tier 7 or 8 blitz stars just confirms that with evidence proving so

distant river Jul 31, 2019, 4:44 PM

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I dont particularly like the tank. I did well enough in it when i used to play it but i didnt like it. It is a unique tank, so think of balencing it like the kpf. Kpf has awful stats (the emil only has not great stats) but the kpf performs great. Emil also performs well if you know how to play it, and it does not need a buff. It is a well balenced tank. Give it any of the buffs you suggested and it will become too OP in the hands of good players and people will come crying here complaining about it. Grille only has 1% better WR across everyone and it doesnt require grinding, so surely that needs loads of buffs too, right?

visual nimbus Jul 31, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Also, I’m comparing it to all tier 7 TDs and it’s isn’t to off from the rest of them

twin egret Jul 31, 2019, 4:47 PM

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The Sturer Emil may not be the best tier 7 TD, but it is certainly a unique and challenging tank to play which is very rewarding if you manage to play it at it's fullest strengths.

austere bone Jul 31, 2019, 4:48 PM

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And you say bad players do bad in it that means 53% of blitz gamers are bad and there's no way you can prove that the majority of people that do bad in the tank is because there bad the tank tank isn't balanced.. Blitz buffs and nerfs tank based on what the community says and the stats if enough people say it needs a buff then it will get buffed because it's not like the stats will prove that it doesn't need a buff and you say kpf stats are awful and st Emil are just not great kpf has avrg 54% and st Emil has 47% also if you compared the stats you would see st Emil has 2nd worst dpm in tier 7 TDs and worst avrg wr yet kpf has fun gun good speed good armor.. St Emil has good gun.

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2019, 4:51 PM

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That gun with good mobility would be op ...

shy wren Jul 31, 2019, 4:52 PM

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The Sturer Emil is perfectly fine to drive imo. It’s just how you play the tank that makes or breaks it. It’s a low floor high ceiling tank, in which one have to be skilled to make full use of its capabilities, similar in the sense of the Caernarvon.
After all, WG takes account of the stats from players ranging from 55% to 65% while balancing tanks. Hence the graphs from #devs-answers

distant river Jul 31, 2019, 4:54 PM

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You need to learn the different there, their and they'res.
Maybe find a different word apart from bad?
Kpf has similar stats to the smasher which is 2 whole tiers below
Dpm is definitely not everything. Emil has great pen, decent alpha and great gun handling.
Emils WR is 49.8% not 47%
@austere bone

violet sonnet Jul 31, 2019, 4:55 PM

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this is wayyy too much energy spent on tier7 paper TD with minimal entertainment value.
i suggest we talk about Making Meds Great Again.

austere bone Jul 31, 2019, 4:59 PM

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So sorry your right I'm wrong I still stick to my opinion but how can u compare it to the caernarvon(faster than 18kmh has good armor and dpm in its tier) while st. Emil(slow bad armor low dpm) and your right dpm isn't everything but I was just saying how is the gun so good with the 2nd worst dpm in tier 7 TDs.. And your missing the point u shouldn't have to look for the right player this tank should be just as good as most tank yet it lacks in almost every area when compared to its competitors..

empty ice Jul 31, 2019, 5:03 PM

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St Emil has the best gun depression. I don't see what the problem is

shy wren Jul 31, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Thing is, it’s not an easy tank to drive, that’s what I’m saying. The turret on the Caernarvon is from a medium tank. The gun’s alpha is pitiful for a heavy. The Caernarvon doesn’t play like a usual heavy, hence you have to adjust your playstyle to allocate for that, in which it’s much more suited as a support heavy, with a very accurate gun to pierce through the weakspots with ease.

Same goes to the Sturer Emil. It isn’t the most mobile tank in the world, but it’s enough to set your shots up. The gun’s excellent at dealing against heavies, equal and higher tiered. Gun depression is also king amongst all the other TDs. With that, find what you can use to gain an advantage.

I’ll just read the argument tomorrow; got to go now

dawn plinth Jul 31, 2019, 5:04 PM

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why are yall saying the st emil is trash its literally one of the best tier 7 tds. speed is fine as is because you need to plan before hand on where to relocate, plus you should only be sniping in the thing

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2019, 5:05 PM

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"Speed is fine"
Goes 19kph on average

slim rivet Jul 31, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Emil is a really good tank. Awesome fire rate, awesome alpha, awesome depression. Don’t hesitate to move / push with it. It’s gun should maul the red @austere bone

twilit crystal Jul 31, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Its ok now w ith the trollish armor

visual nimbus Jul 31, 2019, 5:06 PM

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@austere bone That’s where it’s looked at like a standard TD when in fact it’s not. Same goes with a lot of other tanks. We need tanks in blitz that need a learning curve to better teach players. otherwise it would be boring...

austere bone Jul 31, 2019, 5:10 PM

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I get that but even so the tank doesn't fit in the line it's slow when people see that line they think of fast paper TDs and it's not trash it's bad and unbalanced but how do you get to a sniping position before being flanked with 19kmh that's worse then the t28 prot or the Churchill I understand fox48 but I've been playing 5 years got hard lines done like the B C AP or t110e4 or even the T57 heavy and t 62A I like diverse lines that u need skill to drive and when u got the skill you are unstoppable but with this tank you can't learn the skill withough being flanked and killed or HE in the butt or side tell me why should I drive this over my baby t 34 2G or su 152 because the gun depression but all the hill to use it on takes u forever to climb I'm just asking for 25kmh tht will make it alot better but it's not like it's gonna be dif will still lose dpm battles and stuff

twin egret Jul 31, 2019, 5:21 PM

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FV215b 183 line has the same thing, heavily armored tanks which lead to a barely armored tank

austere bone Jul 31, 2019, 5:22 PM

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I think the tank is balanced

quick lichen Jul 31, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Half of blitz

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Actually. Almost all of blitz

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Half want buffs. Half want nerfs/removal

visual nimbus Jul 31, 2019, 5:24 PM

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@austere bone Your opinion is definitely respectable and I understand the problems it faces. maybe an ever so slight speed buff would be cool. But it’s not so bad of a tank you make it to be. All in all a lot of people hate it and a lot of people love it. So it’s balanced in my eyes.

strong condor Jul 31, 2019, 5:24 PM

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It cant be balanced because of alpha dmg. Before nerf it still had worst tier x winrate. It wasnt op, it was broken and still is

uneven urchin Jul 31, 2019, 5:25 PM

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So does anyone want to talk about the STA-1? I bought it back recently and the gun is good and all but the lack of mobility and armor really makes it suffer. If it had a good turret like the Cent 1 then I think it would be more balanced. Thoughts?

quick lichen Jul 31, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Reasonably speaking. The 183 can be balanced ON PAPER and IN STATS. It can’t be balanced IN PRACTICE

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Sta is a good grind tank. That’s about it. I doubt more than 3% keep it

austere bone Jul 31, 2019, 5:33 PM

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@visual nimbus i think we can agree on that 183 is fine its just like kv 2 not ment to be op and it gets targeted like crazy u need to get aways as soon as ur spotted and u guys are gonna think I'm crazy but I feel like lekpz can use a buff it bullies heavies with the HE but if like a type 59 comes heat pen is trash not a lot you can do I think it needs a heat pen buff badly thumbs up or thumbs down it's dispersion really needs a buff tho so bad for a light tank @"The mod"

smoky yoke Jul 31, 2019, 5:35 PM

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I have sta-1 for the legendary camo , weeb 😛

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noble siren Jul 31, 2019, 5:37 PM

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The only problem I found in St. Emil was the ammo amount. When it's stock the tank is pain in the sitting muscles to grind, but after i got everything I really liked it but again the ammo amount was the problem, because there are sometimes some RNG bounces. So a little ammo amount buff will be nice for the tank to be more active and not to make only certain shots but try some lucky.

quick lichen Jul 31, 2019, 5:39 PM

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@noble siren edit that. You’re not fooling anyone with the $$ signs

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Thank you

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😂

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“Glutes”

distant river Jul 31, 2019, 5:41 PM

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@austere bone lekpz is a great tank already, it needs no buff

austere bone Jul 31, 2019, 5:44 PM

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@distant river not a great tank at all its a decent tank but if u own it u should know about the dispersion it so bad for a light tank and I think that deserves to be fixed also I think heat pen should be like 265 because 250 isn't enough I feel lol sorry brain fart

distant river Jul 31, 2019, 5:51 PM

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It has better base dispersion than the ru and ltwt, and only slightly worse than the CDC. It then has slightly larger increase on rotation but overall that makes it basically the same as the ru and ltwt and a bit better than the CDC. It already has alpha that is too big for its calibre and it has the same HEAT pen as the ru. Meds arent supposed to have great pen anyway, but the lekpz still has decent pen. I have no idea why you are complaining about a tank which is already better than the tech tree equivalent. What it needs is a nerf not a buff.

It also has faster aim time than both the ltwt and the ru, and the same as the CDC

twilit crystal Jul 31, 2019, 5:52 PM

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plus 320 HE lol

tame fox Jul 31, 2019, 5:54 PM

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The lekpz is pretty much an ru with a slightly higher profile and slightly buffed stats...and since the RU is pretty good....

austere bone Jul 31, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Yea it doesn't feel like tht honestly maybe it's cuz I play so much type 62 XD @distant river

smoky yoke Jul 31, 2019, 6:11 PM

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@tame fox I would say ru is better with that low profile

nimble zodiac Jul 31, 2019, 6:36 PM

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You realize RU is also a tier down, yes?

smoky yoke Jul 31, 2019, 6:39 PM

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ru 215 is the same as lekpz, tier 8 , lights but ru 1 vs 1, If I face myself , I would win in ru , ru 3:1 lekpz

tame fox Jul 31, 2019, 6:56 PM

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In a 1v1 brawl in my Ru 251 against an lekpz, I think I would likely lose, but a large part of that is I am just a bad brawler.

As a side note, if there is anyone in the NA server who has time in the evenings, and wants to help out a noob, I would love to go a few rounds in a training room 1v1 against someone better than me to improve my brawling skills. Doing an RU vs RU or a T-44 vs T-44 would be especially helpful

smoky yoke Jul 31, 2019, 7:34 PM

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add me I better at brawling in meds and lights since it matches my playstyle. You see you have to poke at bait shot. if your alone with the lekpz side hug and shot lekpz sometimes misses.

scenic portal Jul 31, 2019, 8:14 PM

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imo the buff/nerf comments from 90% of everyone here is a waist of time and not worth reading, since such a huge percentage is noobs complaining about tanks needing buffs and nerfs either cuz they lack the skill of playing the tanks or the lack in dealing with them, take the 183 for a mere example, people complained and it was "broken tier 10" wg nerfed it and now its horrible, yet still during games , if there is a 183 on the red team and takes 70% off your tanks health they cry the tank is unbalanced and should be removed, yet when there is a 183 on your team and helps with eating the HP of the enemy then its all good and well. Now even with the nerf your team mates complain if you miss shots or dont support effectively because the tank is underpowered. Ive seen some players rush into heavy positions with light/med tanks then die and then pop up here demanding buffs to meds and nerf heavies, instead of playing the game and tanks as they should .. still That is the playerbase for you

quick lichen Jul 31, 2019, 8:21 PM

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@scenic portal the player base largely doesn’t take responsibility for the monster it creates. Take the new British consumables. How many people complain that they are broken and ruin the game? TONS. Now take a look at the most recent #514390610577326091 people voted for MORE broken op consumables. It’s just laughable

scenic portal Jul 31, 2019, 8:28 PM

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@quick lichen I couldn't agree more... There isn't actually a words to describe this mess created between wg and the player base

slim rivet Jul 31, 2019, 8:30 PM

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There should be no poll and WG should ask my opinion only -> no cartoonish consumables and 183 d be removed by now

quick lichen Jul 31, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Sure. You can get your own server as well and no one else can play on it. 🤦🏼‍♂️

rigid wigeon Jul 31, 2019, 8:35 PM

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At least it wouldn't lag @quick lichen

quick lichen Jul 31, 2019, 8:36 PM

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tame fox Jul 31, 2019, 8:36 PM

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I recall a poll for more consumables. I don’t recall one for mad-games boosts in random matches

I pictured “unique” consumables similar to crew skills. Like a consumable that guarantees the next shot won’t low roll

quick lichen Jul 31, 2019, 8:36 PM

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So many people voting on this either A: don’t have a tier x (invalid vote) or B: don’t play tier x (also invalid)

brazen field Jul 31, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Those consumables are too "mad-games like"

quick lichen Jul 31, 2019, 8:37 PM

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@tame fox the super speed boost on the 4005 line is the “mad game” consumable/provision

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They are just plainly better

hearty hawk Jul 31, 2019, 8:39 PM

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I want some British consumables

quick lichen Jul 31, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Exhibit A ^

smoky yoke Jul 31, 2019, 9:22 PM

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I personally feel all this is just to save face. Wargaming going to do it's own thing no matter what we like or want. I enjoyed the new consumables , since I rarely had to play against it I can't complain as yet but I know it gives an advantage to game play which I would lose otherwise if I didn't have it. I going on to 32k games and it's starting to get boring I don't mind something being spiced up , anything for that matter. My old goal was to get everything to superunicum, only have 1 tier 3,2 tier 6 and 4-6 tier 10's and 1 tier 9 out of 259 tanks and am almost done with that goal, I might be going on to getting all my tank tier 7 and up to 70% after that I might just quit if it gets more boring. Not a reroll to have all good tank stats. lol 👌 😂

smoky yoke Jul 31, 2019, 11:00 PM

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I know most aren't able to read fast enough to keep their consentration , but thankfully I know wargaming not listening to anyone here. 👌 😁

unique scaffold Jul 31, 2019, 11:04 PM

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@indigo knot military honor has zero to do with vehicle balance

digital marsh Jul 31, 2019, 11:10 PM

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The vk 168 shouldn't be getting a side armor nerf

nimble zodiac Jul 31, 2019, 11:37 PM

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It already has very weak spots on the front, even 180mm of pen can get it

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2019, 12:26 AM

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the vk 168 is a reverse mauschen is a really bad tank ._. Bad armor bad gun bad mobility really bad

shy wren Aug 1, 2019, 12:35 AM

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Also 60mm of side armor behind the tracks, which is a whole lot worse than the Vk 100.01 P’s side armor behind the tracks

final vale Aug 1, 2019, 1:07 AM

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The FV215b should have a slight buff at the front on the upper front plate. It gets penetrated too easily in certain situations

quick lichen Aug 1, 2019, 1:25 AM

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215b is potentially getting a mega buff with just consumables

visual nimbus Aug 1, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Yeah...

autumn zodiac Aug 1, 2019, 3:36 AM

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It's getting back it's 2200 health and then some from it's unnecessary nerf many years ago.

I think the auto-repair function isn't over powered because it can be stopped by any damage inflicted to it while active.

The damage reduction and the additional HP provisions are overkill.

quartz steeple Aug 1, 2019, 5:25 AM

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repair is pointless when no one else can regain HP

bright hemlock Aug 1, 2019, 5:26 AM

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Why beat them when you could join em? (New consumables). But at why did even wg think off adding such featutes and specifically for britsh tds,like why,youre basically throwing away all the hard work you put into mad gameswhich was huge hype.
Its either:
1.Exclude comsumables for british tds cause its gives an unfair over other tanks if you think about it
2.You add more consumables to more tank turning regualr battles into mad games,making mad games obsolete

You choose wg

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And the new speed boost make the original ,old one pointless as it is 2-3x times better and what is the cost,more credits which means that your probably going to eventually buy premium time/tank to compensate for that. Which means profit for wg

The spalliner also and unfair advantage say over the grille in terms of how he it can take. For a 150 caliner gun the grille is normally a two shot in terms he,but with the fv4005 since it has that sputid spalliner it could be turned into a 3 shot. And to me a he shot will make or break a game and that spalliner just make it possible to break a game. Oh and imagine low rolling for less than 700 damage on 150mm he cause of that spalliner....and once again what does that cost for an unfair advantage? Extra credits which means that you probably need premium time/tank to compensate for that.

So wg please care for your game,for once please dont add more consumables,just saying and take away the current ones on the british tds and save it for mad games.

twin egret Aug 1, 2019, 6:15 AM

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Wargaming planned on increasing the armor the front of the hull (the upper glacis plate) from 152mm to 300mm... But that change never came. Just imagine how brutal of a face hugger the FV215b could've been, maybe better than the IS-4

flat bane Aug 1, 2019, 6:22 AM

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300mm? Oh my.. thats E3 frontal armor right there oof

thick rover Aug 1, 2019, 6:30 AM

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Where is the info even coming from

nimble zodiac Aug 1, 2019, 6:31 AM

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230 would be good enough.

indigo knot Aug 1, 2019, 6:33 AM

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Whats up with the matchmaking
One team gets 2-3 super heavys while the others get 2 autoloaders.... wasn't it said that same type of tanks will be there in each team
It happened with me 5-6 times yesterday that Maus Is4 and Mauschen were in same team while we only had amx120 and 50b or T57...and wz111-4 as a heavy.......
Weren't the first few battles supposed to be top tiered @flat bane

flat bane Aug 1, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Meh the only problem I have with MM is that I'm constantly getting upper-tier. For the first 20ish battles I had in the Panther I never saw a T6. But oh well what can you do ¯_(ツ)_/¯

nimble zodiac Aug 1, 2019, 7:03 AM

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This isn’t the place to discuss MM, and it would depend on the tank type generally, platoons set the concrete. Panther II also needs at least a turret buff or something, it’s the jack of no trades, nothing about it is really special

hot sun Aug 1, 2019, 7:09 AM

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i agree, panther needs a buff in some form because it struggles a bit at t8. It has some what average dpm and pen. But a great characteristic of it is that it has the best view at tier 8. and coupled with a fairly accurate gun, its suited for mobile sniping gameplay atm. (274.5m with full provisons, 302m with full provisions and optics)

twin egret Aug 1, 2019, 7:44 AM

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nvm but what about the Panther 8,8

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watch your language bud

formal forge Aug 1, 2019, 8:08 AM

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Panther 8,8? Never heard of it. That tank is soo underrated and isnt worth the gold. The Panther 2 does the same job with another gun does exact same thing on the panther 8,8 and its free! Only thing that Panther 8,8 does little bit better is his mobility.

hoary oar Aug 1, 2019, 8:13 AM

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Apperently 3,2k dmg on Rhm borsig is an ace and 4,5dmg with 3 kills isnt nice system wg -__-

hot sun Aug 1, 2019, 8:15 AM

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Panther mit 8,8 has a slightly better gun in terms of aim time, dispersion, and rotation. It also has a better power to weight ratio but worse terrain resistance. So imo seems like a slightly buffed panther 2.

distant river Aug 1, 2019, 8:18 AM

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@hoary oar damage isn't how masteries work, and this is not the channel for that

formal forge Aug 1, 2019, 8:18 AM

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“Slightly buffed” but it its worth the gold? I mean it does domething better then the Panther 2 but its so mehhh it still feels like an Panther 2 with full equipments

flat bane Aug 1, 2019, 8:41 AM

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Tbh the Panther ll does need a turret buff

slim rivet Aug 1, 2019, 10:43 AM

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Only good thing with panther 2 is that it leads to e50 / e50M

noble siren Aug 1, 2019, 10:45 AM

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I liked Panther ll, poeple just need to know how to use it properly

pastel hawk Aug 1, 2019, 10:49 AM

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I, for one, feel like the panther should be buffed armor wise to get a consistent feel of the line that ends up with the e50m. Blitz does such a disservice to the legendary tank (ofc before the soviets cranked out their own more powerful models).

tropic shadow Aug 1, 2019, 11:35 AM

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The panther in real life was

"hans ze transmission broke"
The tank

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Buff the Hellcat to have it's historical top speed.

noble siren Aug 1, 2019, 11:59 AM

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No @unique scaffold, because KpfPz70 has much higher speed than its current state

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2019, 12:00 PM

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Yes. When it was first introduced the reasoning was that it would be too fast. There are now much more mobile tanks in game and the Hellcat having a higher top end speed makes sense.

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Alternate idea. Introduce a premium "historical" hellcat. Give it the 76mm gun, historical turret, and historical top speed. Throw in a cool WW2 themed skin as well.

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buff hellcat?

quick lichen Aug 1, 2019, 1:25 PM

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@unique scaffold sir. I’m going to have to ask you to calm down

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2019, 1:25 PM

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I like the hellcat ¯_(ツ)_/¯

quick lichen Aug 1, 2019, 1:26 PM

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Under appreciated tank

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2019, 1:27 PM

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It is. One of my go to tanks when I get that cursed win 10 games in a TD mission.

twin egret Aug 1, 2019, 1:35 PM

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so basically M18 "Black" Cat?

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2019, 1:36 PM

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Yeah. Didn't realize it was already on Warthunder.

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The Maus Gun needs a Buff

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The Mäuschen top gun is better tan the Maus gun. Maybe they shud give the top gun of Mäuschen to the Maus and Maus gun to the Mäuschen

ashen roost Aug 1, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Hey Everyone. Just want to tell you guys this, I have the SU-100Y and I think it needs to be buff, one of my friends tolled me that it used to better then it is now. The armor needs to be changed, cause now it sucks. Can you guys please do something about this?

tame fox Aug 1, 2019, 1:57 PM

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SU 100 Y armor is crazy troll.
And it has a 130mm gun....with that crazy premium ap that does extra damage

distant river Aug 1, 2019, 1:58 PM

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If you are relying on its armour then you are playing it wrong

frank urchin Aug 1, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Yea

indigo knot Aug 1, 2019, 2:17 PM

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In simple terms Su100y is deathstar at that tier...

grizzled sleet Aug 1, 2019, 2:23 PM

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100y is actually broken, like you have a massive gun with such a stupidly good accuracy it's bad, it can snapshot like a god and can one shot quite a few tier 5s and what it can't kill in a shot can ram to death with the insane mobility

indigo knot Aug 1, 2019, 2:34 PM

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Yeah its a good rammer to...it can ram some heavys also....and that penetration is massive at tier 5-6 and ok at tier 7...with that ability it can even remove 90% of Hp or tier 5 and shot any tier
Though it was never given credit coz of Kv2

noble siren Aug 1, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Wait why the Mauschen's top gun is better than Maus' @unique scaffold

keen wagon Aug 1, 2019, 3:17 PM

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It's same or even worse becuase of reload.for example

viscid kettle Aug 1, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Really though with the size of the SU100y, its lack of armor (except the mantlet), I wouldn't really consider it OP. I would say that it is similar to a deathstar for T6 though.

hoary oar Aug 1, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Is-6 buff anytime soon??

last nova Aug 1, 2019, 4:25 PM

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I Wana see that GC get buffed

violet sonnet Aug 1, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Can light tanks get back binos?
(In form of consumables LolOloL

grizzled sleet Aug 1, 2019, 4:48 PM

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@viscid kettle if you know where to go for the map your on your armour and size aren't a concern

kind hemlock Aug 1, 2019, 5:22 PM

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@unique scaffold How come you want to buff the hellcats speed when it already goes pretty fast, how about buffing the Jackson it falls pretty far behind.

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Hellcat was all about speed. Jackson wasn't.

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I still prefer Jackson to the hellcat 🤷
Don't ask why idk

low mesa Aug 1, 2019, 5:32 PM

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is4 armor buff when

simple pagoda Aug 1, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Give M4A3E8 more turret armor...

nimble zodiac Aug 1, 2019, 5:46 PM

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The turret armor is better than some heavies, that mantlet covers a bunch, don’t expect much heavy armor when playing a medium, also Ez8 us already a good performing tier 6

quick lichen Aug 1, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Use gun depression and you have plenty of armor in the e8

crystal spoke Aug 1, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Not that the e8 needs a buff but I'll always be happy with one ~~totally not bc it's my favorite tank~~

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2019, 6:16 PM

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@noble siren I thought It has better pen than Maus Gun. But now it has better pen maybe there was a bug like with the Sturer Emil. I saw that whe I was grinding on Mäuschen

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Ah I know what the problem is. I had the increase pen modul on Mäuschen but not on my Maus😬

noble siren Aug 1, 2019, 6:28 PM

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lmao

nocturne basalt Aug 1, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Hi

true relic Aug 1, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Buff my teammates pl0x

fast warren Aug 1, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Can y’all tell me the real reason the M1A2C Abrams isn’t in this game is it too powerful or what?

crystal spoke Aug 1, 2019, 7:08 PM

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It would be game breaking

twin egret Aug 1, 2019, 7:09 PM

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how tho, weakspot-less turret, useless hull,
it would be like the AMX 30 B, but a bit slower, no cupola, has a turret and a actual good gun

crystal spoke Aug 1, 2019, 7:21 PM

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Your fighting ww2 tanks and mostly mid cold war tanks with the most modern tank in service at present time how would that not be game breaking

crystal basin Aug 1, 2019, 7:43 PM

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If abrams would be in game, It would be carbage like mbt-70 (kpfpz-70) what was abrams grandfather actually. It should have armor that couldnt be be penned by these ww2 tanks. Frontally. So yeah, wg know how To place "modern" tanks ingame and turn gold To trash 🤣 (just my opinion)

crystal spoke Aug 1, 2019, 7:58 PM

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The mbt70 isnt really modern since it started in the 60s which puts it roughly 40-50 years old so definitely a mid cold war tank while the m1a2c is maybe 5years old

@hasty vortex really dude?

@fast warren I thought it was last year but either way development to start the c modification probably started around 5 years ago at max ~~just edit your messages~~

fast warren Aug 1, 2019, 8:02 PM

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The C update was just applied this year from what I’ve seen and I hate I can only say something every forever

low mesa Aug 1, 2019, 8:11 PM

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This chat is one big meme full of 40%ers

viscid kettle Aug 1, 2019, 8:38 PM

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I am a 30%er thank you. Don't lump me with them 40%ers

crystal basin Aug 1, 2019, 8:43 PM

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@crystal spoke yeah, its not modern if we compare it straight To abrams but when we compare it in blitz, its 1 of modernst tanks. But the point was, abrams could be in this game, cos wg knows how To "balance" tanks 🤣

arctic spoke Aug 1, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Hello

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2019, 9:04 PM

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Hello

frank urchin Aug 1, 2019, 9:29 PM

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Hello

feral juniper Aug 1, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Hello

flat stag Aug 1, 2019, 11:15 PM

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bye

wet nymph Aug 1, 2019, 11:25 PM

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cya

unique scaffold Aug 1, 2019, 11:45 PM

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Talk about vehicle balance folks. This isn't the greeting center.

ruby monolith Aug 2, 2019, 12:34 AM

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Gladly! Anybody here in the mood to whine about the AMX 13 90 with me.

sterile lichen Aug 2, 2019, 12:41 AM

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About how op it is or how not op

ruby monolith Aug 2, 2019, 12:47 AM

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When played well it does fine, but on paper it’s kinda sad... it’s dpm is even less than the AMX 13 75. It’s pen is pretty low and only gets worse as more 252 tanks goes added in. Honestly just touching on only one things would bring it up to standard.

ruby monolith Aug 2, 2019, 1:22 AM

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By 252 tanks I mean super heavily armored ones such as obj 252U, that new vk, even vk100.p causes the AMX 13 90 so many problems because of its terrible pen...

unique scaffold Aug 2, 2019, 1:25 AM

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It is light tank , you are not supposed to sit in front of heavy tank ,but I would like to see and 13 75 with longer clip rel but shorter in clip rel

ruby monolith Aug 2, 2019, 2:22 AM

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True but you also shouldn’t have to go all the way behind the tank to pen (just my opinion) a little more pen would be nice

unique scaffold Aug 2, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Can I say this about the Kpz70 it didn’t deserve to get butchered by WG it’s a generation 4 tank like leopard 1 stb 1 amx 30 b and m60 patton

latent snow Aug 2, 2019, 3:30 AM

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The vk 168 needs an armor buff

winged barn Aug 2, 2019, 3:30 AM

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The vk168 need a price nerf

wet nymph Aug 2, 2019, 3:37 AM

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its called $50 bro

rose crystal Aug 2, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Yeah its more than a KpfPz

grave bear Aug 2, 2019, 4:44 AM

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@ruby monolith just learn to play light tanks, if u struggle to pen super heavy enemy tanks means u literally did everything wrong, u shouldnt even be on their same side.
I mean tf, its a problem because u in a light tank cant pen super heavies frontally? (not even true becauae vk100 has paper lower plate) so imagine being in a super slow tier 8 tank and get penned frontally by a tier 7 light.
is that looking balanced to you???

unique scaffold Aug 2, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Or you could go behind turret and shoot the hatch. Thats what Speed is for.

winged barn Aug 2, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Or you could get flat with the side and send gifts to the obj

flat bane Aug 2, 2019, 5:35 AM

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Another option is you could use your mobility and get out of there. If you're supported by your team the enemy has no reason to poke out or chase you,(unless they want to die). So just flank around and spot ¯_(ツ)_/¯

unique scaffold Aug 2, 2019, 5:55 AM

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What is this used for
To purchase gold idk
Ping me cause I'll be on wot

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It’s to get gold but it’s super rare

odd sandal Aug 2, 2019, 6:13 AM

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I wouldnt say super rare, just uncommon

unique scaffold Aug 2, 2019, 6:37 AM

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@unique scaffold once you collect 20, you exchange them for 100 gold

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Oks

formal echo Aug 2, 2019, 8:33 AM

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Definitely "worth" it

prisma field Aug 2, 2019, 10:19 AM

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to comment on the AMX thing from earlier. the 13 90 has grand mobility, which makes up for what it lacks in comparison to other tanks. for a tier 8 it’s quick, and the fact that it has an auto loader gives it an edge when you get to and enemy’s vulnerable positions. i’ve had some fantastic games in it, it’s one of my favorite lights.

daring pivot Aug 2, 2019, 10:20 AM

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buff tiger II

noble siren Aug 2, 2019, 10:22 AM

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"It doesn't need buff because it has "good" gun"

scenic portal Aug 2, 2019, 11:45 AM

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AMX 13 90 ... I am speed

ruby monolith Aug 2, 2019, 11:56 AM

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@grave bear no that isn’t balanced and that isn’t what I’m talking about, I already said I’m can handle and have worked well with the tier 8 AMX 13 90 (in fact for over 900 battles) and throughout those battles the on paper issues I described earlier have slowly gotten worse as more massive heavies are introduced, and you can be out dpm’ed by practically any t8 tank (and that is assuming you even make all of your shots) Again I have played the tank a lot and enjoyed it so, it isn’t me just “literally doing everything wrong” then ranting about it on discord (though I suppose this is a rant). This is me having experience with a tank and hoping it gets brought up to standard so it doesn’t have the dpm around your average tier 6 tank and has just a little less penetration issues as more obj 252 u style tanks are added to the mix.

grave bear Aug 2, 2019, 12:13 PM

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first thing, it was amx 13 75 not the tier 8 13 90
second thing, with your light tank you're flanking. if you face heavies frontally YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. amx 13 90 is an AUTOLOADER, you're supposed to unload and go in cover while reloading, not going full speed into enemy tanks doing dpm trade
13 90 is Okay
and plus obj252u has a stupid paper lower plate, same for vk100 and vk168, if u cant pen them its your problem, because i can with T43's ap frontally in lower plate
Plus lmao, how can u complain about 170 pen?? T44 is a med and has 175mm, so for it is even harder to face less armored targets, but yet no one is complaining on his penetration.

unique scaffold Aug 2, 2019, 1:22 PM

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@unique scaffold it doesn't

waxen dagger Aug 2, 2019, 1:33 PM

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Why is WG after they nerf the armor of the KV1 are they also gonna nerf its reload time???

clever void Aug 2, 2019, 2:12 PM

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@grave bear well said. Any tank with the kind of speed the French lights have is always going to be high risk, high reward. But I did very well in the 13 90 when I went up the line half a year ago. Also I find you can’t just come back to it after months and still do well in it. It is a special playstyle that makes the BC line effective

unique scaffold Aug 2, 2019, 3:17 PM

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So, ISU-130 and SU-100Y special AP of their 130 mm gun has nearly THE SAME ALPHA as the 152 mm american gun of the Kpfpz 70. Ridiculous. Buff the gun alpha damn it

cobalt crane Aug 2, 2019, 3:30 PM

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well why don't you if you want it buffed so bad

distant river Aug 2, 2019, 3:59 PM

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The alpha would be much more bearable if it had 2° better depression and better HE

@latent snow Every other 152 has 800 HE alpha apart from the kpf, its depression is very meh considering it has a weakish hull but a strong turret and plays best along ridge lines.

Also it was literally advertised as "packing a punch" but atm you have the same alpha as most 152s with HE. You also have the 15 sec reload so you have less dpm with HE than most 152s with AP. It is statistically worse than the smasher apart from pen and hp.

latent snow Aug 2, 2019, 4:01 PM

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At this point you just want the kpf to be a TD

grave bear Aug 2, 2019, 4:32 PM

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KPF better HE? lmao? it has the highest splash radius of the game, better than fv183's one
you can destroy the whole tank's modules with 1 he pen
imo kpf needs just an actual good armored turret, without that super huge weakspot
plus dpm means nothing, SU-152 has way way better dpm with the derp than the VK 72.01 H, but it doesnt seem like you have higher avg dmg in su-152 rather than vk.

twilit crystal Aug 2, 2019, 4:40 PM

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Oh come u know the kpf should get 760 he alpha

unique scaffold Aug 2, 2019, 4:58 PM

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One thing to note back in September of last year the gun was advertised with 650 average damage than a few months later corrected to 560

nimble zodiac Aug 2, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Because it could out-trade any heavy tank when it did 650 😂

golden kraken Aug 2, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Helsing and Dracula are always gonna be as op as they are, right?

quick lichen Aug 2, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Unless they get nerfed

noble siren Aug 2, 2019, 6:40 PM

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If they get nerfed people will not be able to farm WR with them😂 😂

kind swallow Aug 2, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Idk about dracula op
Its very nice, but it's not hard opponent

unique scaffold Aug 2, 2019, 6:48 PM

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T7 heavies got a mobility buff, I doubt WG will ever nerf drac or helsh

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As A drag with 4K battles on it I’ve had better and worse

somber condor Aug 2, 2019, 9:11 PM

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i just hate it because you can be on a role then one of them shows up and rains on your parade

jaunty vapor Aug 2, 2019, 11:22 PM

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I really think that the time for discounts that you get out of daily crates it’s way to low. I understand that it’s like a luck based draw and everything but I’ve gotten so many of them and not been able to earn enough XP or gold in a one hour time frame. The whole idea should be that you get the discount and then you work for whatever it is that you are going for, in my case the Leopard 1. Maybe a 5-8 hour time frame would fit better.

winged barn Aug 2, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Or buy gold and then buy frex

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Why?

unkempt root Aug 3, 2019, 3:03 AM

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who thinks the tortoise needs an armor buff (just wondering)

fiery flame Aug 3, 2019, 3:05 AM

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Nah, need to punish any idiots still trying to get a fv183

prisma pumice Aug 3, 2019, 3:12 AM

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@fiery flame you okay buddy ?

bleak grail Aug 3, 2019, 3:14 AM

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@golden kraken Dracula is basically an AMX CDC

golden kraken Aug 3, 2019, 3:16 AM

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for tier 7

unkempt root Aug 3, 2019, 3:18 AM

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how bout the tiger 2 armour

flat bane Aug 3, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Easy pen

zinc echo Aug 3, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Lol

arctic spoke Aug 3, 2019, 3:21 AM

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Hey um devs i’m trying to make a new acc and it keep saying i type in the wrong cap thing also the chats broke is update 6.2 commissioning right now in the other cluster?

bleak grail Aug 3, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Another thing is the Skorpion G... Its basically an Rhm B. WT with a slightly better reload and speed, minus the bigger cannon... I don't really see what makes it any better. They should at least give it more damage or bigger cannon.

loud kernel Aug 3, 2019, 3:27 AM

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Hello, why does AMX AC46's DCA45 90mm gun only has 170mm penetration, meanwhile the gun with the same name on AMX M4 45 has 212mm pen?

white pumice Aug 3, 2019, 4:50 AM

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dont nerf kv-2 :'v

crystal spoke Aug 3, 2019, 5:20 AM

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Why not? It's needed

drifting depot Aug 3, 2019, 5:25 AM

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It will make players use more ap than he due to the overuse it has because of the derp potential so it's definitely needed

hoary oar Aug 3, 2019, 5:27 AM

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probably a dumb idea but maybe pz4h with the derp gun?

deep pike Aug 3, 2019, 7:09 AM

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foch 155 is gonna have some love XD

distant river Aug 3, 2019, 7:35 AM

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@bleak grail so you want a premium that is already significantly better than the tech tree version to get a buff? 🤔

This is the type if intelligence WG balences tanks off of... 🤦

cinder gyro Aug 3, 2019, 7:35 AM

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Only time i use ap on kv2 is when there are too many obsticals and to fight tier 5 but people dont see its effectiveness and im sad i wont be able to bully tier 7 as i used to 😟

bleak grail Aug 3, 2019, 7:36 AM

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@distant river uh. Yea.

distant river Aug 3, 2019, 7:46 AM

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Premium tanks should be worse than their closest tech tree variant. Premium tanks should not have better dpm and mobility. WG cant balence anything at all so having better premium tanks has become normal which is completely wrong. Basically every tier 8 prem needs a nerf or most tier 8 tech tree tanks need a buff but WG are too greedy to listen. The skorp should have about a 12 or 13 seconds to make it balenced

dusty harness Aug 3, 2019, 8:14 AM

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Ah, that balencing lol

bleak grail Aug 3, 2019, 8:22 AM

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Because i wanna spend money for worse tanks. Makes sense. If you're going to make something worth somebody's money, it needs to be better. Otherwise they wouldn't make any money off the game besides premium accounts, crates, silver exchange and free experience.
Making a premium vehicle worse than it's tech tree variants simply doesn't make people want it. They'll just research the vehicles and eventually get bored. Sure, grinding can be fun but it also gets boring if you don't give people a challenge and a vehicle that can compete with their lessers.

distant river Aug 3, 2019, 8:30 AM

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And that is exactly why tier 8 is known as one of the worst tiers to play at. Premium tanks shkuld be UNIQUE not better than tech tree tanks. Their selling point should be another playstyle that you cannot get for free. If you make them better then you get the absolute mess of balencing that you find now. Premium tanks also make more credits and so, like the T-44-100, they should be slightly worse while offering something slightly different. WG doesnt seem to understand this and that is one of the reasons why their game is slowly dying.

dusty harness Aug 3, 2019, 8:57 AM

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Just let it die then. Problem solved

stone ocean Aug 3, 2019, 9:26 AM

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Pls new update get back the old low tier tanks pl luchs ms-1 marder II japanes lows and more

fleet stump Aug 3, 2019, 9:28 AM

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And buff the Smasher

mental nymph Aug 3, 2019, 9:53 AM

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Smasher needs a nerf

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 9:57 AM

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joaca cineva?

frank urchin Aug 3, 2019, 10:03 AM

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Smasher doesn’t need a buff @fleet stump

low mesa Aug 3, 2019, 10:03 AM

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What a disaster it would be if WG actually followed suggestions from this chat

slim rivet Aug 3, 2019, 10:34 AM

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It was ironical (about the smasher)...

silk seal Aug 3, 2019, 10:38 AM

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smasher is balanced kappa

bleak grail Aug 3, 2019, 11:27 AM

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@low mesa Right, it's as if people who say to do this, and this will happen, has owned or owns a multi-million dollar company.

fleet stump Aug 3, 2019, 11:30 AM

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@silk seal Noo Smasher need a Alpha, DPM, Pen and Mobility buff <.<

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 12:15 PM

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WG only follows the numbers, so if you want the tank to be buffed you afk every battle.

strong condor Aug 3, 2019, 12:17 PM

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goes afk with is4

flat jay Aug 3, 2019, 12:30 PM

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I think the chinese tier 9 med WZ-120, should get 6 degrees gum depression like the tier 10, I mean 3 degrees gun depression makes that tank very difficult to play, cant go near hills have to stay flat as possible, cant do much poking as it doesn't have much armor, it's a really bad tier 9 honestly.

It's the most painful grind I've been through yet.

indigo knot Aug 3, 2019, 12:32 PM

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I am going through the same .....3 deg is really very hard to work with
I hope to get 25% discount on it from the mission containers as I near the end of the grind

noble siren Aug 3, 2019, 12:35 PM

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If you think Smasher needs buff just delete the game. It's already OP

clever void Aug 3, 2019, 12:36 PM

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I see we have kids here so bored that they actually grind that Chinese med line. Can I recommend yoga?

quick lichen Aug 3, 2019, 12:42 PM

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The wz 120 is a good tank. It doesn’t need more gun depression. You need to adjust your gameplay. You have to use opposite sides of hills ridges etc to create gun depression. This is a thinking persons t54. You can snap shots on the move either. You have to stop for half a second and let the ridiculous aim time work it’s magic

flat jay Aug 3, 2019, 1:10 PM

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@quick lichen I've tried this, it is a good tank dont get me wrong, the gun depression really hinders when trying to circle heavies, or get out of jams.

quick lichen Aug 3, 2019, 1:12 PM

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It makes it difficult to play at first. It’s not a forgiving tank, but once you understand how it’s supposed to be used, it comes into it’s own. For starters you have to be more passive if you are alone or out numbered. You can’t allow the chance for the other team to rush you because it’s not the most flexible tank

bleak grail Aug 3, 2019, 1:18 PM

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What're everyones opinions on the Maus lineup, Vk100, Mauschen, Maus?
Does anybody else dislike that single tiny plate on the front that gets you killed every time or is it just me?

nimble zodiac Aug 3, 2019, 1:22 PM

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You hide it like the rest of us, I think they can get random bounces but the weak spots have been known for quite the while, the front plat probably shouldn’t have been nerfed on VK 100 but it’s still useful for taking hits

grizzled sleet Aug 3, 2019, 1:23 PM

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You can bait shots into it

bleak grail Aug 3, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Wouldnt be asking if i knew how to hide it.

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My bad, what i should of said, is you don't always have an opportunity to hide it. Thumb me down for not knowing, yall petty af.

indigo knot Aug 3, 2019, 1:59 PM

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@quick lichen Like in portbay if you are the only medium...what to do then....i mean it was impossible for me to be uselful to the team....I couldn't do anything to help team there

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 2:15 PM

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252U needs huge buff, lower plate and gun handling plus reload.. It is piece of crap rn.. Havent seen single one in battles since one week passed after first day of selling, the worst spent 50$ ever

willow sigil Aug 3, 2019, 2:19 PM

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E6 needs buff

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 2:31 PM

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@unique scaffold tank is better than tech tree is 3 and is 5 , you just want to see bias tank to stat pad just like on pc

orchid grove Aug 3, 2019, 2:39 PM

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WZ-120 is definitely not a good tank lol

indigo tinsel Aug 3, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Yeah it is just don’t drive it on hills

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 3:07 PM

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@unique scaffold have you seen that tank at least?

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@unique scaffold yes, i have it, unplayable piece of crap

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Don't give foch autoloader, cause autoloaders ruin the game

scenic portal Aug 3, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Buff the e100

jade cargoBOT Aug 3, 2019, 3:38 PM

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dynoSuccess KEBAB1ST [-1-] Даниэл 🇨🇿#5971 has been warned.

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Wz 120 needs depression buff

tame fox Aug 3, 2019, 3:59 PM

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@unique scaffold either you are trolling, or you are overly upset that you are not super unicum in the tank yet

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unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 4:11 PM

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@unique scaffold lol so the is 7 on t 8 is unplayable? Not sure what could they do to make it " playable" for you , myb autoloader? Or 2 more gun barrels?

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 4:43 PM

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@tame fox wtf, look on my stats lol, that tank is simple bad af

scenic portal Aug 3, 2019, 4:53 PM

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@unique scaffold @tame fox you miss understood how this works, if you are a noob in the game and suck at playing tank like they should be played or simply cant grasp game machanics you basically rage at your team (always their fault) and cry about tanks not being balanced to your liking (FYI my stats are 58% still going up, over 22k games and over 1.5k damg @unique scaffold)

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 4:54 PM

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@scenic portal might I see your stats please?

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@scenic portal it's not like he is bad or smth , he bought overpriced over hyped tank and now he is just mad that it isn't as op as he think it should

sweet prism Aug 3, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Can I propose pen buff of HE ammo of jgpze100 and Fv4005...

meager spruce Aug 3, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Both of the tanks are fine as they are

slender jackal Aug 3, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Have patience and take the time to learn the tank @unique scaffold.

sweet prism Aug 3, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Jgpz e100 has lower he pen than 150mm guns...for example 85mm vs 90mm of obj 268, which is just funny.
Fv 4005 more he pen would just be more comfortable. I am not arguing that they are underpowered at all.

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Look, if i5 would be like is5 i would be ok, but that lower plate is huge af plus zero armor, gun is even worse than on is5(you miss 70%of your shots) perma low rolls, so dpm on level zero.. They should buff atleast something which makes you enjoy it.. Now you have the worst gun at t8, zero armor vs heavies, bad dpm and it is not even fast, is5 is much faster
@unique scaffold @scenic portal

teal olive Aug 3, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Jag deserves HE pen buff, no doubt. But FV doesn’t need it

charred bobcat Aug 3, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Lol it doesn't

indigo knot Aug 3, 2019, 5:36 PM

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4005 definitely doesn't need he pen buff ....I wouldn't wanna see a tier 9 med getting deleted in a clip

twilit crystal Aug 3, 2019, 5:45 PM

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^

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 6:14 PM

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@tame fox ye, but often track for 0dmg, or you are aiming to lower plate and you hit gun, literally derp shit

noble siren Aug 3, 2019, 6:19 PM

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JgPzE100 deserves the HE pen buff

tame fox Aug 3, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Did I somehow delete my comment?! Stink. I meant to just edit 😝

Anyway, what I was going to add was : Despite the fact I am nowhere near the caliber of player you are, I would mention that I myself have perhaps a similar difficulty with the vk 100.01 p. It is a fantastic tank by all accounts, has great stats on blitz stars, but out of all my tanks it is perhaps the one I do the absolute worst in. I have tried it time and again, but never seem to be able to change my performance. It is definitely not the tank’s fault. Many players do well in it. For some reason it just never clicked for me

Perhaps the obj 252u is just a tank that just does not quite fit with the way you play. Although, after comparing it to your other tier 8 heavies, the only stat that it really is lagging in is WN8. It is your top performing heavy for quite a few stats, including damage ratio. So that brings back to the question : why are you even complaining about it?

@unique scaffold

slim rivet Aug 3, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Those who beg for a buff of the jg’s he deserve a ban. Tds are already the most noob friendly tanks in the game. 3 per team every game at t10. Stop asking for a buff please, you are just killing the game

quartz steeple Aug 3, 2019, 7:29 PM

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@slim rivet jag e100 deserves a HE pen Buff to at least 105 mm or 98 mm ... ask y

CAUZ IT HAS A 170MM CANNON YET HAS STUPIDLY LESS PEN THAN MANY 152MM WHICH IS NON SENSE AND CRAP ... anyways when there CAN BE A SPALL LINER FOR BRit tds then why not just an insignificant he pen buff fr jag users so the tank makes slight improvements to Use of He shells
Ppl can argue as much as they want but deep down they know that it does deserve he pen buff

distant river Aug 3, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Jag is a very good tank how it is. It already has very high alpha, german gun handling as well as good pen and armour. It also has great gun traverse limits. What more do you want from a tank?

fleet stump Aug 3, 2019, 7:40 PM

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A simple Smasher buff! :3

quartz steeple Aug 3, 2019, 7:51 PM

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@slim rivet sure lets make the game crappy then..... let's just bot increase pen of A 170 mm supposed TO HV MORE PEN THEN 152MM The most logical thing to do and deep down u know it as well ....... and your one of those stubborn ppl who cant take no for an answer

grizzled sleet Aug 3, 2019, 7:55 PM

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The jageroo is one of the least noob friendly tank in the game, you are huge, slow, and massively armoured, most noobs can't figure out the jageroo so to say it's a noob friendly tank just means you don't like getting shot by an 800 alpha (also just thought of this, I really don't care for an HE buff bc that wouldn't make it broken, just unnecessary)

slim rivet Aug 3, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Well. Obviously asking people to keep the balance aspect in mind is too much for moderators and my messages are deleted... to stick to the subject @grizzled sleet every tank which can deal 800 damages per shot is noob friendly @quartz steeple i get ur point. U want to increase he pen as it a 170 mm. Then decrease armor to keep it balanced. Do we have a deal?

quartz steeple Aug 3, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Lower plate is already a big shoot me sign ... I m in for lower plate nerf

lunar niche Aug 3, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Decreasing the armour on Jageru doesn't change much as it is already flat all around and easy to pen when not sidescraping.

All it needs is an aim time buff. HE pen is good enough for me.

grizzled sleet Aug 3, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Lmao no you miss understand entirely. The jageroo is already borderline broken as it is, but an HE buff would do nothing and when I say nothing I mean absolutely nothing. I am curious to see if you've played it bc you say it's noob friendly but last time I checked frontlining a TD isn't easy. @distant river not as bouncy as you might think and flanking is almost always a thing the jageroo has to deal with

distant river Aug 3, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Who says you have to frontline? Noobs can just camp and get the occasional 800 hit easily. Its armour is bouncy enough, especially at range.

slim rivet Aug 3, 2019, 8:11 PM

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No I don’t have jg. And the conversation is not about how to play it. most jg camp at spawn with it and still do pretty decent damages with its 800 alpha. Therefore it’s noob friendly. The day I d see meds camping at spawn and dealing high damages I d call them noob friendly as well @grizzled sleet

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 8:11 PM

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Balance the at 2 make it possible for tier 5 to actually pen the front of it

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The AT-2 is loaded with weak points. They are called the sides and the rear.

grizzled sleet Aug 3, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Wut? No at2 is loaded with broken,not a balanced bone in it's body

smoky yoke Aug 3, 2019, 8:20 PM

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at2 is great against blitz players but when you meet a good player that knows the game which is seal clubbing its easy kill. Edit- Yes tier 1-4 has been nerfed so much by wargaming right now wargaming is still fixing it @twilit crystal

twilit crystal Aug 3, 2019, 8:22 PM

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i mean a lot of tier 4s struggle to pen sides/rear of the at2

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 8:25 PM

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@grizzled sleet I agree every time I’m flanking one they manage to pull off a once in a lifetime shot every time

grizzled sleet Aug 3, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Lmao the leo can't pan likt at all

dim field Aug 3, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Honestly not bothered by it. Leo had it's time in the sun.

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 8:46 PM

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@unique scaffold as i have told , it is is7 on t 8 , huge lower plate but great side armor/turret armor , 2k dpm which is normal for t 8 , and I doubt wg is going to buff rng cuz it is pretty random... @quartz steeple jgpz is in no need to get buff on HE pen , it is balanced rn, why you wish to break it then? @twilit crystal it would be unplayable without armor

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@low basin English

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@river portal read the pinned messages

whole nebula Aug 3, 2019, 9:00 PM

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...I’m weighing up buying the jgpze100, because it’s caused me more grief than the 183 ever did. But if the cupola could get the same armour and shape as the e3 I’d be happy. E3 is scary, e4 it’s a straightforward kill. Granted tougher than the grill, but not as tough as a 268, understandably there’s a 90 degree turret, but the face front on is not tough to pen reliably from anywhere on the map.

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 9:04 PM

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So you picked the one that explicitly says it's not for complaining about matchmaking. 🤦‍♂️

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Some1 from wg should really change this channel's name to tank balance discussion

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@unique scaffold sadly I don't think it would make any difference

whole nebula Aug 3, 2019, 9:11 PM

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#slowmode sux, I meant to say. That the cupola on the T110E4 needs the T110E3 shape and specs.

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 9:13 PM

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yes the cupola is too big ._. so easy to pen this

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Ye do something about it , it don't need to be as good as on e 3 ,but you just even hulldown in it

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Lol unfortunately true, we got some very special playerbase 🤣 @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 9:57 PM

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U aware of the fact WG never lurks in here?

river portal Aug 3, 2019, 9:57 PM

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@unique scaffold who said i was talking bout MM did you even read what i said?

unique scaffold Aug 3, 2019, 9:58 PM

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It was obvious what you said and it had nothing to do with vehicle balance.

crisp palm Aug 3, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Buff foch 155 gun arch...just a tiny bit

white terrace Aug 3, 2019, 11:16 PM

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Hi

wide flume Aug 3, 2019, 11:54 PM

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@sand olive read the pinned messages in this channel lmao

sand olive Aug 4, 2019, 12:27 AM

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I just need 1 teammate with more than 2 braincells

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 12:33 AM

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@sand olive. Pinned messages. Read them

nimble zodiac Aug 4, 2019, 1:37 AM

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AT 2 is balanced, not only is there a big cupola to pop but 25mm lower sides that angling a decent bit would be a mistake

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 1:57 AM

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Lmao this community, the 183 got nerfed into the ground because of the player base.. Now they moved on the the next big daddy the Jagpz, wonder how long untill it becomes the new DS and gets nerfed into the ground and so the cycle will continue

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 1:59 AM

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Jag panzer is not a problem

cerulean ledge Aug 4, 2019, 2:00 AM

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Agree. It does not have the hesh round.

sand olive Aug 4, 2019, 2:02 AM

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I mean, jg pz E100 has a very good reload for the damage output per shot :p

flat bane Aug 4, 2019, 2:05 AM

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It also really big and slow, and I'm sure most of us know that German accuracy is a lie :p

nimble zodiac Aug 4, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Except the Lowe, it has a laser gun. Spoiled with 152mm+ eh?

twin egret Aug 4, 2019, 2:07 AM

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E 75 S > Lowe

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 2:09 AM

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No one here wants to nerf jgpz @scenic portal lol ppl are just begging for HE pen buff , no clue where did you got "op jgpz" thing

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Jg pz is not op it’s easy to deal with unlike the 183

thick rover Aug 4, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Lol?

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 2:11 AM

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@unique scaffold wait and see.. Getting into game you see 4 Jagpz and no 183,, noobs start crying.. No one ever bothered with the Jag why now? (Btw the jag is a hard tank to deal with... 15sec reload doing 800 avrg damg and it can sidescrape like a e100)

flat bane Aug 4, 2019, 2:19 AM

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You can literally flank it lol, if you're face hugging a JG you're doing something wrong. It's also a large tank so the camo values and jacked F.

latent snow Aug 4, 2019, 2:22 AM

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Don’t buff jg don’t nerf jg just leave it as it is

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 2:23 AM

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The 183 either has broken camo because every time it’s in my spotting area it’s never spotted

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JG is fine. Nice try with your strawman argument.

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 2:24 AM

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Agreed @latent snow , the tank is fine just as is. If people wanna discuss actually balancing they should think about why new British td's got stupid consumables ..

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 2:26 AM

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@scenic portal well if you mean e 100 that got his turret glued in one spot so everone can pen him frontally then he, it is just like e 100 in sidescrap. @unique scaffold okay we don't need another 183 nerf ,let the ppl that actually enjoy this tank have some fun

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 2:34 AM

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@unique scaffold to be fair even with it glued put it on a slope using max gun dep, and at a angle using the gun arch and occasionally wiggle the tank you bounce enough to satisfy. On a normal day running out with the jag and just spending time angling the thing you can easily walk away with bouncing 3k worth of damg

rapid marsh Aug 4, 2019, 2:46 AM

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Hi

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 2:57 AM

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@scenic portal Ik it can bounc , I may be terrible in it ,but it is still good tank , but for sure it isn't as effective in it as the e 100 ...

dense magnet Aug 4, 2019, 3:06 AM

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Hi

sullen vault Aug 4, 2019, 4:23 AM

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You will always see the below average player rage over getting outplayed or shot from any High caliber tank.The difference between the 183 and jagd is that it wasnt so game breaking and one of them actually require a more complex thought process than one that is similiar to an arty mindset on PC

violet sonnet Aug 4, 2019, 4:31 AM

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_if I sit here long enough, surely some medium will come by _

lost island Aug 4, 2019, 5:11 AM

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E 50 (9) is useless until maxed out

violet sonnet Aug 4, 2019, 5:28 AM

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It’s undoubtedly on purpose.. that’s where most of us gold the crew and use free xp

wet nymph Aug 4, 2019, 5:32 AM

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guys can you give me a list of all the stupid annoying derps plz

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 5:42 AM

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stock e50 isnt useless but its pretty painful

paper mason Aug 4, 2019, 5:49 AM

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Not many of the tanks need to be touched.. The gravedigger armor is a little OP but you learn to play and get around that.. The smasher reload just a little too fast but you learn how to play and get around that .. KV2 doesn't need to be touched the rad is so big that it takes a while to aim, if you're sitting out in the open that long .. well guess what, you deserve what's coming. Some tanks work well together in a toon, and some don't. Want to find which tanks need a buff? Find the ones no one plays anymore.. there's a reason.. You used to see quite a bit of IS7's now you see IS4's .. Why do you think that is? You change one tank, you change them all by default.

bleak grail Aug 4, 2019, 5:56 AM

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And the 183 doesn't need touched either, as some previously stated... I slayed one by myself with the AMX 30 1er, not hard at all to destroy a heavy hitter.

flat bane Aug 4, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Tbh, the E50 (T9) models costs a lot of exp.

cunning vapor Aug 4, 2019, 6:12 AM

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Please Buff the T110E4. It is underpowered in the tier.
Increase turret armor, remove cupola, increase rof and mobility and give it 10° of gun dep.
Thank you.

flat bane Aug 4, 2019, 6:35 AM

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10° of gun depression? Lol no

thick rover Aug 4, 2019, 7:02 AM

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Yea 10 degrees....what

silent mesa Aug 4, 2019, 7:07 AM

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i search french player for platon

meager spruce Aug 4, 2019, 7:32 AM

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Sooo you want the weakspot to be removed, buff armor around where previously the weakspot was. Then you want gun depression to maximize those buffs to the fullest and on top if that you want a mobility buff. What drugs are you on?

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 7:41 AM

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@paper mason gravedigger op? Bruh it's straight trash

hot sun Aug 4, 2019, 8:31 AM

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I feel only thing e4 might need is slight more gun depression, like 7/8 degrees. It having a turreted 150 mm makes it versatile. The tank thrives on peek a boo tactics unlike the e3, and if you angle your hull just right when you poke out, you'll get some bounces

torpid stag Aug 4, 2019, 8:31 AM

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buff t110e4 wtf?? that thing has op gun

dull river Aug 4, 2019, 8:47 AM

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The kpfpz 70 really feels like it needs a buff

slim rivet Aug 4, 2019, 8:49 AM

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Yeah lol tds need buff. Pen buff, alpha buff, mobility buff, armor buff etc. No one playing td atm lol

thick rover Aug 4, 2019, 8:49 AM

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Look at tank balance not tank popularity..
@cunning kindle What kind of buff on 121 would u like? DPM? I mean yeah it's kinda justified xd

cunning kindle Aug 4, 2019, 8:49 AM

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^
E4 and 121 need buff, but e4 needs just a tad bit of armor buff, nothing more

hot sun Aug 4, 2019, 8:49 AM

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Um... a lot of people play tds... it's prolly the most played tank class:/

cunning kindle Aug 4, 2019, 8:59 AM

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I'd give it better on the move aim to actually make it a mt coz stopping for every shot succs @thick rover

Maybe reduce dpm as well coz armor of that tank is pretty good

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 9:00 AM

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Yes buff TDs... Bc we totally need more 40%ers doing 5k damage while only travelling 100 meters to get to the nearest hill

slim rivet Aug 4, 2019, 10:08 AM

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Why 100 meters lmao? They mostly camp at spawn @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 10:28 AM

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Ok maybe 100m is too much 🤣

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 11:20 AM

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STB needs buff

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🤣 🤦

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Yes, give 30B turret

crisp palm Aug 4, 2019, 11:45 AM

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buff foch gun ezz

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 11:45 AM

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@unique scaffold It seems it will receive an armor buff in 6.2

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No autoloaders ruin the game

foggy aspen Aug 4, 2019, 11:47 AM

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Fv215 heavy tank neeb nerf...

cunning kindle Aug 4, 2019, 11:51 AM

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U said that too early bruh, wait for update 6.2, then u can say that

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 12:26 PM

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@unique scaffold to be honest you dont even need to move.. I traveled 10m on dead rail and did 4.7k damg .. But most td's arnt the problem.. Its just the player base( I've seen maus's camp dead rail in corner) thats the problem

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 12:54 PM

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Any tank can be played badly.

distant river Aug 4, 2019, 1:08 PM

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The problem is TDs, for example the 183, encourage camping way too much. WG need to make a better tutorial/link youtubers videos so the playerbase actually learns

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 1:17 PM

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@distant river dont hammering the 183.. The tank has no armor , bad reload, bad camo, bad despersion and the mobility isnt something to brag about, and it gets focused hard. So it can't be played frontline , and second line is hard core cuz you still get focused... So snipe as its the only thing that will keep you in the game long enough to be little more effective..
Its safe to say the 183 needs a little accuracy buff or mobility buff or camo buff but only one of these above and not to much to break the tank

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 1:19 PM

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Don’t think STB turret buff is of any use unless they make the mantlet stronger

clever void Aug 4, 2019, 1:23 PM

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The turret part they are buffing actually is the mantel I believe

distant river Aug 4, 2019, 1:23 PM

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The simple solution is not playing the 183 in the first place
2nd line works perfectly fine if you are smart and watch reloads
The 183 is broken whatever state it is in. It needs to be removed completely. As WG seems reluctant to do that removing HESH and a mobility buff would be better
@scenic portal

@thick rover it isnt a fix but it makes tier 10 more bearable

thick rover Aug 4, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Not playing the line is no fix to the issue
Here we go again

fiery flame Aug 4, 2019, 1:25 PM

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When WG nerfed the 183 they nerfed it’s ability to snipe from a bush and not get spotted, if you use your brain the tank is still very effective frontline, for example trading shots no one can beat it

noble siren Aug 4, 2019, 1:29 PM

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T110E4 is fine, it has enough armor

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 1:29 PM

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@clever void if that were the case STB would be so much better than Patton and 30B especially in regards to its use in comp

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Well played the Jagpz since 2017 and rocking 700+ games with 60% winrate and 2.7k avrg damg... I got the 183 about 4 months ago give or take after nerf and coming in at 300 games with also 60% wr and only 2.4k average damg.. @fiery flame so it ist the question of using said brain .. I play all my tanks frontline and i had to learn to camp from bushes in the back when in the 183.. You can be next to a grille or any other td and if you all are spotted at the same time the reds focus the 183 by nature.. Its the only tank i find myself getting alot of zero damg games in.. The tank isnt OP it needs a little buff , just look at the stats in it over 30 days its horrible .. Poor avrg damg and poor winrate

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 1:34 PM

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That's stb on test server 6.2
Pretty red lol
257 mm pen aiming at it

📎 Screenshot_20190804_153302.jpg

smoky yoke Aug 4, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Nice ,pretty balanced ^^ @unique scaffold

quick lichen Aug 4, 2019, 1:39 PM

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I wonder what heat looks like

distant river Aug 4, 2019, 1:39 PM

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@scenic portal You do not have to camp in the 183. It can be agressive very effectively if you use your brain

slim rivet Aug 4, 2019, 1:40 PM

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@fiery flame and @distant river are my favorite bois here. It needed to be said

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Omg I love wg thank u STB long been my favorite tank period. That turret looks like a Patton turret with even smaller cheek weekpoints and better gun depression as well as a sleeker profile. I’m excited

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 1:44 PM

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@distant river to add to your comment I just feel the need to say with the new playerbase the 183 is fading away. Since most of the time the team dies or camps or does something silly that costs the game.... So rooting for more mobile and blitz tanks is a better option at the end of the day. 18sec is a long time to wait and watch your team die in the first 2 mins

noble siren Aug 4, 2019, 1:49 PM

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18sec for 1200 1300 damage is pretty balanced, enough to ruin someone's play from your spawn...

fiery flame Aug 4, 2019, 1:50 PM

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@scenic portal I think the 183s ability to do 1300 damage with one shot balances out its other flaws. Plus I don’t think your team is dying in the first 2 mins of every game

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 1:54 PM

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@unique scaffold stupid is4 is all red too

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 1:55 PM

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To be fair the 183 doesnt roll 1300 every shot since the normal ap rounds do between 900 and 1100 most of the time and yes 90 %of the teams die between 2and 3 min during game that is the average time my games last

meager spruce Aug 4, 2019, 1:56 PM

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@scenic portal he is talking about HESH witch has a 1300 alpha and is the primary ammo 183s use

quick lichen Aug 4, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Debatable

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Some still use ap as their standard rounds

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It is funny watching people shoot hesh by default and then not penning

indigo knot Aug 4, 2019, 1:57 PM

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183 presence alone stops a flank....whether unspotted or spotted
Though only if you are behind cover
I guess WG can't remove the tank coz it makes money for them(converting gold to free xp) and is one of the most popular tank
@smoky yokeI i disagree ....the role has changed now from sniper to a support tank.....you can even splash hull down IS4 for 400-500 HP sometimes even 600....what more do you want from it now...
It had its time of glory has gotten that long awaited nerf.... though I still think a tank like this shouldn't be in game

smoky yoke Aug 4, 2019, 2:02 PM

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I would be the contrarian here. But the fv183 is complete team dependent now. Every tank can spot you unless you have the camo net running but make sure you shot when the enemy is not looking at you. Make sure you stay with team cause your camo isn't going to help if you are alone. That light blub never goes away so staying under hard cover only way to stay unspotted. You have to play it like a fast moving jg. Ps Most here cant read long paragraphs so this is just piece.

crystal basin Aug 4, 2019, 2:05 PM

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So after 6.2 I cant 1.4k damage stb on turret so easily on 183. To be honest stb did deserve a turret armor buff and badly. Talks about e4. Only buff it needs is cupola nothing more, then it can be used like it should. And 121, its just fine as it is. It lacks dpm, cos 122mm gun, but the gun handling on it is awesome.

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 2:07 PM

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@smoky yoke we singing the same song mate.. I 110% agree with what you said thats the point

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 2:09 PM

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It should be team dependant. A TD should be a team support tank, not a one man army tank.

proven helm Aug 4, 2019, 2:10 PM

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I agree, except when there is a need for it to be one. I dont think its fair for td players to be basically screwed if their team dies. And what about the turreted tds, they should be more flexible then the casemates.

cunning vapor Aug 4, 2019, 2:15 PM

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E3 has 8° gd, when e4 has only 6°. Atleast buff the e4's gun depression.

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Stb1 buff will finally make it good. Just make t62a and obj140 armor like it was in 2016 and game will be amazing

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There are costs associated with running a big gun. You are there to dish large alpha that can turn the tide of a fight. If you don't want to play that roll then play a different tank.

proven helm Aug 4, 2019, 2:29 PM

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It needs it dude, the he pen is way too high for a tier 6.

noble siren Aug 4, 2019, 2:31 PM

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@unique scaffold t62A and Obj140 got nerfed because every player with them camped every existing hill. I don't want to see them doing that again.

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 2:32 PM

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DoN't NeRf Kv2 lol

smoky yoke Aug 4, 2019, 2:37 PM

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@unique scaffold They should nerf every other td to be spotted immediately and you would be biting your words then. An I like how to put it to from one point to the extreme right side to being a one man army. Love your guys arguments for the tank. @indigo knot You should remember this the conception of that tank it has been getting nerfed , in the beginning it was able to sidescrap due to it having the fv215b hull almost, now it became this and people still complain. @scenic portal I try my best to stay out of here cause argument points given makes me facepalm. I love how people say its good due to alpha and thats why tank stats have to be worst than grille that is there only argument point. Only thing remaining in the tank. Now that is officially worse than grille I dont think wargaming can nerf it anymore than they have already. But that is life. People would always complain. Even if the tank has been nerfed to the ground.

pallid flume Aug 4, 2019, 2:41 PM

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KV-2 has good balance now. I think there is no need to change.

sand olive Aug 4, 2019, 2:42 PM

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nerf badger armor pls

noble siren Aug 4, 2019, 2:43 PM

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@sand olive It's P2W tank so they won't

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 2:45 PM

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These kids crying about Kv2 nerf are hilarious

proven helm Aug 4, 2019, 2:46 PM

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I actually praise for it. It was needed months ago

quick lichen Aug 4, 2019, 2:47 PM

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@unique scaffold debatably just as funny was when people cried about the 183 nerf

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 2:53 PM

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There are commonly 6 TD's in a game in tier X. Arguing that any of them need a buff is downright silly. The tanks are meant to be a support class, not the primary type in a match.

noble siren Aug 4, 2019, 2:59 PM

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OmG bUfF fV183(joke @smoky yoke )

smoky yoke Aug 4, 2019, 3:02 PM

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@unique scaffold You forget that this game is way smaller than pc version , where are tds going to support in such small maps, support is basically 50-100 metters away from heavies lolz . @noble siren Great

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 3:21 PM

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@smoky yoke i feel you lol. They destroyed the 183 but you know noobs need something to blame and like you said they will complain about it no matter the nerf , should wg remove it they will find the next tank to blame everything on

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 3:26 PM

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@scenic portal are you insinuating that I'm a noob?

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I can assure you that I'm not.

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That being said I can recognize a bad game mechanic. The 183 and the KV-2 are both bad game mechanics. They create a stagnant game where players are afraid to move. The type of gameplay they create is the exact opposite of what one would expect in a game called Blitz.

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Td's should be capped at two per team. They are already overplayed in the tier X meta. No additional buffs should be given to any tier X td. Players do not need any additional motivation to play them.

cunning vapor Aug 4, 2019, 3:31 PM

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No. The presence of KV2 and 183 in game provides the need for more strategic thinking. It stops lights and meds from staying in the open for too long.

The two tanks in question have horrible stats that if you get derped, you are doing something wrong. The KV2 has worst dispersion in game, to get hit you would literally have to stay still.

Im not saying you need strategy to play the 183/kv2, Im saying you need stratedy to play against it.

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 3:33 PM

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The two tanks in question are tailor made for bad players to put down decent damage numbers without ever leaving spawn. The 183, KV-2, and strategic thinking don't belong in the same sentence together.

sullen vault Aug 4, 2019, 3:33 PM

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@cunning vapor you dont need a broken tank to showcase one to not sit still, you're forgetting theres other 155mm that can smack just as hard without needing to have an absurd amount of alpha.Plus people will always be ignorant

smoky yoke Aug 4, 2019, 3:50 PM

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People will always complain about about fun things. That's why we cant keep it

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Best avoid the argueing @cunning vapor some of the people here want a game that doesn't req thinking or skill just pure hit battle and everything should work as they see fit.. If it doesnt it should be nerfed or removed.. That's why wg gave them a nice channel in discord to argue about... If you suck at a tank or can't evolve tactic to deal with it they cry all day every day here, and it isnt worth your time to convince them to reason.. They will try and bring you down to their lvl and beat you with experience

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 3:52 PM

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And some players will say anything to defend their damage crutch ¯_(ツ)_/¯

cunning vapor Aug 4, 2019, 3:54 PM

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I dont even have the 183. Just want some variety to the game and not like all tanks are the same.

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 3:55 PM

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@cunning vapor I don't think anyone is arguing for that.

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Variety is wanted by most players. That being said variety only goes so far. One could argue that adding artillery would add variety... but that is not a type of variety many people want added to the game.

dusky oxide Aug 4, 2019, 3:58 PM

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You have to be kidding if you think that having a 183 or 6 TDs in tier x games brings out some sort of extensive strategic planning in the rest of the players in that match.

Whats fun about the 183? You like sitting in a corner and pressing a button? Youre playing as a fortified turret.

sullen vault Aug 4, 2019, 4:02 PM

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How does a 183 bring out any different strategic to the game?You're not a perfect player,so don't expect yourself to be full health in every game so idk whats the use of the point you're making about avoiding a 183?.You always have to be aware of any tank no matter the caliber.Also theres so many ways to bring variety other than slapping a 183mm on a turreted tank.

cunning vapor Aug 4, 2019, 4:05 PM

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(This is in response to Rhansu)
You think with the camo value it has, it can just sit in a corner and press a button?

Whats fun about playing a med? Isnt it just running in circles and "pressing a button"?

Whats fun about playing a heavy? Isnt it just frontlining and "pressing a button"?
The entire game is pressing a button lol

The aspect of "fun" is that it varies with person. You might have fun doing something, while I would think that is not fun at all.

distant river Aug 4, 2019, 4:09 PM

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The difference between how people play the 183 and other tanks is the fact that with a 183 you can be brainless and still get 1300 damage. With most other tanks you have to actually think to play well.

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Aside from earlier @cunning vapor do you know how much proof there is of the kv2 being completely stupidly broken?

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 4:10 PM

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And no one points out that russian bias is more OP than the 183😂 3 games in 1 week doing 6k -7k damg in obj268

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Fun and variety is one thing, game balance is the other. While you're having fun penetrating heavy tanks frontally with hesh for 1k3 damage that's a bit broken don't you think?

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I think a orbital space laser would be fun and add variety. That doesn't mean it would be good for the game.

cunning vapor Aug 4, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Imagine calling the kv2 "completely stupidly OP", when it has the worst attributes and also tanks like Smasher exists.

Also Sparta, I dont know if you are trying to be hip and cool by being sarcastic, but you aint making much sense. If you didnt understand my usage of the word "variety", then I dont even know what to tell you.
We were talking about tanks already in game and you deviating into artillery and lasers (to prove a point?).

smoky yoke Aug 4, 2019, 4:17 PM

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I think jg gun needs a nerf it should be the standard 640 as every other gun dmg in game is how you guys are sounding.

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 4:20 PM

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Oh I understood. My point was that variety for the sake of variety isn't necessarily good for the game.

olive hawk Aug 4, 2019, 4:20 PM

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@cunning vapor tf you mean orbital space lasers sound amazing

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 4:21 PM

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For the record I don't have to to "try" to be hip and cool.

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@cunning vapor Love the fact you just ignored my point of the kv2s Well documented BS and also your really defending that thing? Alongside the smasher?

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Smasher and the WZ-120-FT also deserve a Nerf.

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Variety doesn't have to be determined by the caliber of the gun... Grille, foch 155, e100 all have the same 640 alpha but have completely different playstyles

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 4:25 PM

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He doesnt try to be hip or cool @cunning vapor i mean just look at his reasoning .. At the very least I'd say if he tried he would fail

cunning vapor Aug 4, 2019, 4:25 PM

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@unique scaffold What are you talking about "well documented BS"? Do you mean the occassional long range one shots that you get?
Mate, do you know how many close shots you miss in a kv2? Of course you get occassional glory shots but do you think tthat outweighs the attributes of the gun? Is has the worst dispersion and aim time.
Just because yoo hit your target sometimes, doesnt mean its "completely broken OP". The smasher is completely broken. But the kv2? Not even close.

dusky oxide Aug 4, 2019, 4:26 PM

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@cunning vapor you do realize thata bad camo value doesnt have such a big impact when you have a long reaload and big alpha which allows you to expose less than other TDs. Also its very easy to sit comfortably at the back when theres 2 other TDs in almost every t10 team.

Playing a med is looking for openings and using them to your favor. They along with lights require the best awareness of surroundings.

Heavies in their current form can perform a wide range of tasks and part of it is because of the equipment system.

TDs are the easiest class to get an adequate dmg score in and end up at the top of the scoreboard purely because you sacrificed your team. The 183 is the perfect example of this. Anyone can do it and I dont doubt why its the most popular class of tier x.

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 4:34 PM

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@cunning vapor way to go dude dont deny you havent been or even seen a kv2 get a kill or kill you in the most ridiculous way also in your first posts before replying to me you cant pick up sarcasm i guess

sullen vault Aug 4, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Yes because a tank beforehand having such a huge incosistency in terms of wr to avg dmg ratio and even after being nerf still has this disparity and now becoming one of the most jack of all trades tank is still a strategic tank to play and adds blissful variety to the game.amazing

smoky yoke Aug 4, 2019, 4:36 PM

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@cunning vapor This is why we said no use arguing any point here you are just wasting your time to deaf ears. They are just dog piling here.

cunning vapor Aug 4, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Why so many pings?
Okay, I completely agree, remove the 183 and kv2 from game. Anything to stop the pings. Lemme grab some sleep now.

But, really tho havent they nerfed the 183 and kv2 enough already? I aint saying buff it. Just let it be.

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 4:37 PM

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@smoky yoke lol they do it during battle also... When your team dies in less than 1min30sec you see these exact same people in battle chat😂

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 4:39 PM

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@scenic portal my reasoning... That's funny. I've laid out why I think the 183 is a issue in a clear and concise fashion. Meanwhile you made snide remarks and underhanded insults about noobs and players not being smart enough to handle high alpha guns.

To be clear I am fine with where the 183 is now and I don't really think it should be removed. My sole issue with tier X TD play is the number being played. Six per match is too many and it creates a stagnant game.

I also advise you to lay off those previously mentioned snide underhanded insults.

strong condor Aug 4, 2019, 4:47 PM

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People wanted more tank balance in games. I still think randoms should be randoms and should not be balanced with tank types. I miss full medium games, now its 6 tds in almost every game.

scenic portal Aug 4, 2019, 4:51 PM

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@unique scaffold what ever man because arguing against a mod is a 1 sided carnage, say something they personally dont like and woop ban, or warn or mute. Simple if you play tanks as they should there wouldn't as much discussions here

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 4:54 PM

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@scenic portal funny its confirmed low win rates are most common with the boom sticks

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Nice strawman argument.

I am more than willing to debate a topic with anybody on here but you're going to need to bring your A game. Vague insults and blanket statements aren't going to cut it.

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Since heavies have insane mobility for their armor, meds should bounce something as well. Right now obj140 and stb1 are penned without aiming :v

sullen vault Aug 4, 2019, 5:12 PM

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I mean the only tank that has too good mobility for the armor it has is the is4,any other you can pen pretty reliably with the exception of the maus and e3 frontally

kind swallow Aug 4, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Maus ez pen

strong condor Aug 4, 2019, 5:16 PM

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How long we have to wait IS4 nerf? 🙃

smoky yoke Aug 4, 2019, 5:20 PM

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@unique scaffold But your false comparisons are a issue from laser from the sky to being a one man army , your always going to the extremes. This is not politics so why buffer your argument

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Stupid t57 and is7 too. Maybe not the best armor but I have to gold it when I play medium tank @sullen vault

sullen vault Aug 4, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Oh then i would say yea just meme it lol

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 5:43 PM

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@smoky yoke i have a flair for the dramatic¯_(ツ)_/¯

dim field Aug 4, 2019, 5:45 PM

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Orbital laser would be fun. Imagine if you couldn't zoom in though and had to iron sight it. A difference in 1 pixel. means you miss entirely. 2 minute reload. 2k dmg if it hits.
Would be an interesting april fools mode

quick lichen Aug 4, 2019, 5:47 PM

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If you want that, then I want the Apple Watch artillery

distant river Aug 4, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Why not a map with loads of the bug spots for BT7s etc? Except this time it is only for 183s, and you get into orbit if you bug out and can snipe down on the others... Would be great, or al least much better than the new consumables for the brits...

twilit crystal Aug 4, 2019, 6:20 PM

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rekting 183s is hillarious

smoky yoke Aug 4, 2019, 6:30 PM

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@twilit crystal so you admit its crappy now ? Edit: At least that makes one admitting that it sucks. That's all I ask of people. Not for a buff , but admit the tank sucks

twilit crystal Aug 4, 2019, 6:33 PM

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oh Ive been admitting its bad since the nerf? @smoky yoke but until people stop spamming im fine with it being bad. Had a game with 4 183s but it was ez dmg to farm on the enemy 183s. Thank god they dont have that unfair camo anymore

teal olive Aug 4, 2019, 6:48 PM

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I just watched some old 183 videos and holy mother of God that camo was absolutely insaaaane.

latent snow Aug 4, 2019, 6:56 PM

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What do you guys think of a more armoured 183 like on pc

noble siren Aug 4, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Can we make "Buff fv183" some kind of a meme?

kind swallow Aug 4, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Just give fv183 autoloader gun lmao

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Autoloader 183 = 1 tank/2 tanks out of the game

ionic pebble Aug 4, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Did will get SP IC buff? He is just bad tank...

sudden granite Aug 4, 2019, 7:59 PM

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Lol

daring stream Aug 4, 2019, 8:07 PM

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My game updated to update 6.2 automatically🤔

crystal basin Aug 4, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Sweet honeypot. So many 183 haters. "brainless do 1300dam" yeah, you sound like it doesnt need aiming, using hesh (somehow so many uses just Ap dont know why) it does need a good position and its not in spawn. And after that it needs penetration also. Gl doing 1300 dam on front of E100, E3, etc etc.
Atm. Smasher is broken (alot more than 183 Ever) kv 2 is getting nerf it deserved. Or it should rescale mm 1-+1 not - 1-+1
Smashwr should be moved To tier 8 completely. E4 has weakspot like E5 in times. Theres few more broken things. And that chinese prem td. It deserves mobility nerf, nothing more.

charred bobcat Aug 4, 2019, 8:55 PM

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yeah it takes so much skill to sit at spawn and press shoot. 183 has no place in this game, the gun damage is on the extreme side of the spectrum and due to that, it lacks armor, camo, and mobility to do anything. something that requires "skill" would be tanks like the leo 1, which depend on rotations and smart plays, not sitting in the back and preaiming the middle of canyon or whatever

frigid sky Aug 4, 2019, 8:57 PM

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183 ap still 960,the average he for a 155mm. With 320 mm of pen so ye I cant HE the front of a e3 but I can still take half his hp instead of the usual 2/3 ,
Sure that makes it totally balanced...and with calib I get over 330mm pen.

dusky oxide Aug 4, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Because driving 200m away from spawn and waiting 1.5s for the reticle to shrink can be compared to calculating re-entry angles for space missions. 140iq

crystal basin Aug 4, 2019, 9:07 PM

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So I can assume @frigid sky and @dusky oxide @charred bobcat none of u have 183 if u really think it is that simple To do good in 183.

distant river Aug 4, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Who said you had to do good in it? 1 shot and you have ruined someomes game

charred bobcat Aug 4, 2019, 9:10 PM

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you clearly didnt read my message because i didnt say it's easy to do good in 183. my main point is the 183 makes the gameplay not enjoyable for anyone because it doesnt have a place in this game. it should simply be removed and replaced.

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 9:18 PM

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My favorite argument in favor of the 183 is when someone tells you all the things you need to do in order to be successful... Like aiming, positioning, and what ammo to use...

How is that different from any other tank?

When your argument is that you have to do all of the things that other tanks have to do while also being able to land massive 1200 + damage shots you really don't have much of an argument. 🤣

dusky oxide Aug 4, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Next thing u know he will be telling us we need to own one to know. Oh wait he already did :D my bad i didnt read it correctly

crystal basin Aug 4, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Well u clearly say it doesnt need skill. Only Camping in spawn and u do 1.3k dam every shot. So if it goes like that, It should always do good sitting in spawn. And the one Who didnt actually read message was you, I think I pointed few things about it on my message.
@@dusky oxide Well how is all Who cryes it just sits in base doesnt move, doesnt even aim and always does 1.3k are guys Who doesnt own it? Lol.
Just like rng doesnt comply on 183 At all. And usually game is more ruined when enemy has badger or 268. No matter what u drive then. And funny part on that message, only 183 triggered disqussion about nothing Else what I pointed, so your only reason in here is To cry how op 183 is?

twilit crystal Aug 4, 2019, 9:34 PM

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the 183 camo wasnt THAT insane. What was insane was the fact it was so large with that camo along with that alpha. If you want that big alpha you dont get camo. Also it isnt hard to do 3k dmg int he 183. You just cant really control it. It more or less depends on the enemy's decisions

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 9:38 PM

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@crystal basin Landing 3 shots in a 183 and doing 3k damage doesn’t mean it’s “hard to do good in it” don’t defend it

twilit crystal Aug 4, 2019, 9:45 PM

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The thing is its tough for a unicum to do 3.5k in 183 but a nub should be able to get 3k more than normal althouhgh bad average dmg due to the 0 dmg games. Anyway the 183 is the easiest tank in tier 10 to outplay. Even a unicum 183 player should lose to a 50% in any other tank almost every time

lunar niche Aug 4, 2019, 9:50 PM

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0 dmg games beacuse they refuse to move from behind a bush beacuse bad camo and no armour.

They have forgotten that they can go along with heavies to push/hold a flank.

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 9:50 PM

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buff a bit t25/2 is a bit bad this tank..

smoky yoke Aug 4, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Most popular tanks in blitz am surprise to see Grille surpassing Fv183 and t57 only up here due to recent buff. Not seeing the IS-4 thou which is surprising

📎 mostpopular.PNG

dusky oxide Aug 4, 2019, 10:25 PM

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@crystal basin 183 isnt op. It simply doesnt fit in the game. Im fine with it being included in its current state as long as theres not 6 TDs in every tier x battle. I say it requires more luck than skill. A bad player might have more of the former.

The 183 has a bad camo rating, correct? It also has a low rof and mediocre mobility coupled with a nonsignificant armor profile. So do you always take yours to the frontline? :D Just because you need to know how a bush works doesnt make the tank capped very high in terms of skill required.

Try to be real with your arguments instead of dismissing every response as "183 haters" and crying. Youre already not in a good position with what youre reasoning.

hot sun Aug 4, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Simple fix in playstyle for 183, play second front line :/ if you're with your team instead of camping at spawn 1) you have teammates to help you when in trouble. 2) use hard cover instead of bushes (helps with reload and bad camo) 3) with the enemy team knowing there's a larger caliber gun with your teams heavies it lessens the chance they will push. Essentially a playstyle similar to jge100, except you obviously can't frontline fully. People still want to be immobile and campy in 183, that's why it has such a low wr, instead of complaining about how you can't do what you could've done in the past, change your playstyle in it!

slim rivet Aug 4, 2019, 10:31 PM

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I stonkly desagree. 183 is made to camp at spawn. Eventually, at the very end when a 183 is the last tank standing, it can start moving / yolo rushing the reds.

dusky oxide Aug 4, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Cause a playerbases behavior is easy to change... Reworking small characteristics of a tank is one thing but altering how people play it is a other. Anything with a triangular icon will be used to camp by a big part of the playerbase

And its not like camping is a crime punishable by death but several problems surface when 6 tanks of the support role become the primary tank type in most high tier battles.

crystal basin Aug 4, 2019, 10:48 PM

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@dusky oxide not in frontline, but neither in spawn. That is the problem, somehow most players are in spawn and all they do in that round is 0-1400 damage. And In my mind, that doesnt make a threath to Any1. 🤣And about camo, I might be different, I'm happy as it is now. (nearly) it was Hard nerf on camo, but it was way past line of "normal" camo on that size. And yeah like spartacus told, td's should cap max 2 per team.

dusky oxide Aug 4, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Nice to hear that it doesnt bother you to lose most of your hp in one blow by a guy who drove 150m, parked and waited to press a button. Doesnt seem like a mechanic that requires a lot of skill to me. @crystal basin

unique scaffold Aug 4, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Just bring back to tier X anti TD maps: mirrage and lost temple

twilit crystal Aug 5, 2019, 12:38 AM

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Ok then the 183 is finally played to a normal amount

flat bane Aug 5, 2019, 1:30 AM

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I never had any problems with the 183. If the enemy has one just change your play-style. I'm sure most of you understand that 183s usually camp. Get yourself acquainted where all the camping spots on a map are, and try to avoid being out in the open where the 183 is able to hit you. Hmm this may require too much brain power, nvm then ¯_(ツ)_/¯. Just learn how to deal with them, they're going to be in the game no matter what you say.

quick lichen Aug 5, 2019, 1:43 AM

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@unique scaffold you mean two of the worst maps?

strong condor Aug 5, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Better than mines

cunning vapor Aug 5, 2019, 2:31 AM

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Sooner or later, the OP consumables will make their way to the 183. Imagine 183 with the aim time and speed boosts.

fiery robin Aug 5, 2019, 2:32 AM

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Well,That's gonna haunt my Nightmares.

flat bane Aug 5, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Instead of buffing the British heavies, they decided to give them these consumables smhhhh

vestal bloom Aug 5, 2019, 4:54 AM

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I don't like that thought

crisp palm Aug 5, 2019, 5:44 AM

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How about no

violet sonnet Aug 5, 2019, 5:55 AM

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So what spend credits to be good per battle. And just grind more credits ... and force ur self to have premium time

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 7:01 AM

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Toon consumables will ruin Blitz once and for all imo, I dare say it would be better to put SPGs in the game at this point

crisp palm Aug 5, 2019, 7:02 AM

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Arta 😍

twin egret Aug 5, 2019, 7:14 AM

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I'd rather have consumables than buff

vocal crest Aug 5, 2019, 7:18 AM

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The heavies didn’t need buffing

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 8:38 AM

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183 isn’t op, it’s just that there’s always 2-3 of them in every game and literally u can’t play a tier x game without encountering one, unlike something like a 263 where they pop up only once in a while, the annoyance factor is is less. 183 more annoying than anything

fiery flame Aug 5, 2019, 8:54 AM

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The 263 is really underrated, it can really bully other tier Xs if you know how to use its armour

wet quail Aug 5, 2019, 9:42 AM

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I prefer 268 by a long shot

kind swallow Aug 5, 2019, 10:05 AM

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@ionic pebble sp1c is amazing
I had more 2k avg in it on my 4fun acc

dusky oxide Aug 5, 2019, 10:25 AM

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@flat bane You seem very narrowminded. Theres maps like mines and in some situations dead rail where its simply too risky to go spot camping TDs. Theres often 3 of them and simply not enough meds and even less competent players driving them.

"Just learn how to deal with them". The playerbase avg is 47%. Even if my wr is 60% I cant choose how other people in my match play even if i do everything to assist them. Worst case scenario the sheep on my team rush and die, best case its going to be a stalemate.

What youre saying is that its ok to have a mechanic that results in a terrible match and can only be countered by capping on some maps.

outer nimbus Aug 5, 2019, 10:42 AM

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If the aim in giving the 215b broken consumables is to make it more popular, why dont you try removing the unnecessary modules from the grind instead?
Personally, the only reason i didnt grind it before was because of that. If they didnt exist i would have grinded it long ago. Now it will probably be my 22nd tier 10 if i actually end up grinding it the whole way through (unlikely since i dont have enough free exp to max out conq and i dont want to deal 200 dmg per shot in tier 9).
The 215b is a great tank already. Ive wanted it since i first saw it but the grind is absolutely terrible and has a lot of unnecessary grinding which deters many players.
Make a poll asking the server why they havnt grinded the 215b. Im sure there are many people like me

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 1:36 PM

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Why duck is nerfed ;-;

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 3:28 PM

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It’s just the 113 is clearly superior

visual nimbus Aug 5, 2019, 4:17 PM

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I feel like the WZ-113G FT is lacking something...

smoky yoke Aug 5, 2019, 4:19 PM

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It's got armor. Maybe better gun stats

grizzled sleet Aug 5, 2019, 4:20 PM

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It's that the tier 10?

tepid token Aug 5, 2019, 4:24 PM

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🤖 😣 😣 😣 😣 😣 😖 😖 😖 😖 😖 😖 😖

jade cargoBOT Aug 5, 2019, 6:06 PM

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dynoSuccess imVikzHD_#6576 has been warned.

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 6:06 PM

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@dense talon read the pinned messages.

distant river Aug 5, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Also working on your grammar might be useful...

I love it, you start insulting me then block me, very classy @dense talon

fiery flame Aug 5, 2019, 6:07 PM

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@unique scaffold you guys should really try to get the devs to change the name of the channel to vehicle-balance-discussion or something

leaden basin Aug 5, 2019, 6:09 PM

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183 isn’t OP

dusky oxide Aug 5, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Everyone knows. It still doesnt mean it fits in the game. And its still minimum effort - easy and big results.

jade cargoBOT Aug 5, 2019, 6:11 PM

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dynoSuccess imVikzHD_#6576 has been warned.

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dynoSuccess imVikzHD_#6576 was banned

wet quail Aug 5, 2019, 6:41 PM

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But not just anyone can instantly learn about gun mechanics

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 6:50 PM

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@unique scaffold read the pinned messages. The purpose of this channel is to discuss tank balance.

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Yeah sorry. I do tend to go a bit off topic

bleak grail Aug 5, 2019, 6:56 PM

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@unique scaffold Thank youuuuuu. More than just that guy needs a reminder.
And no offense intended @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Pls buff amx 40

wide flume Aug 5, 2019, 7:10 PM

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You should give constructive feed back like what should be buffed on the tank. The gun? The mobility? Armor? Etc. Explaining why would also help reinforce your statement. Saying just to buff or nerf a tank, without any reason, is pointless ;3

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Buff the kpz its mediocre in everything
Alpha doesnt mean anything if the shell cant hit or pen

quick lichen Aug 5, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Name a heavy with higher alpha in tier 9

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 7:15 PM

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Give the KpfPz two more degrees of gun depression.
Please.

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If it gets buffed it's going to be op even in the hands of monkeys. Okay maybe the gun dep sucks but as for hitting and penning, a lot more tanks need work in that department.

distant river Aug 5, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Kpf would not be op, and definitely not in the hands of monkeys

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Yes buff premium tanks
Make the game like WoT... P2w

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I don't think two additional degrees of gun depression would take the KpfPz into OP territory.

fleet stump Aug 5, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Its designed for hulldown

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 7:23 PM

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8 degrees is manageable 14.6 seconds of reload for 560 alpha is not and nor is the default 6 degrees @crystal basin that completely defeats the purpose of the kpz 70 that just makes it a reskinned e75

smoky yoke Aug 5, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Kpfz is an enriched tank that can be nerfed. Any tank tier 9 and up is enriched or a collector tank

crystal basin Aug 5, 2019, 7:25 PM

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None of tier 9 heavys has better alpha compared To kpf. But kp also has worst dpm of tier 9 heavys. Just give it normal damage ammo and keep it as it is. Or 2deg more depression and 2s Off from loading. Still wouldnt be op
@dusky oxide yeah,now it has ap560 and he 640 compared To other 150-155mm Ap is 640 and he 960

dusky oxide Aug 5, 2019, 7:30 PM

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"normal dmg ammo"...?

fleet stump Aug 5, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Or give it as secondary gun the german 120mm Rheinmetal gun. Maybe 2600 - 2700dpm. Same 240mm Pen and 6° gd.
But buff the Pen, HE alpha and Gun depression of the 152mm gun.

📎 Kampfpanzer-70_max_depression.jpg

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 7:34 PM

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@fleet stump this defeats the purpose of the kpz 70 ingame in general and by the way it was never mounted many tanks of t9-t10 have 120mms a 152mm is a great way to introduce variety also thats a MBT 70 with a german iron cross? Not questioning it at all but this is an american version when the kpz is the german model it did feature “crouching” suspension but a 120mm is still not for me and i still see it as a drawback look at the rear engine deck Kpzs curves down completely

distant river Aug 5, 2019, 7:35 PM

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@fleet stump Nice idea, would give people a choice and more variety without breaking it.

@unique scaffold You are questioning realism in blitz? 🤣

crystal basin Aug 5, 2019, 7:39 PM

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@fleet stump if im correct in that picture is mbt70s specialty, that it actually could be raised / lowered by hydraulics. And yeah I would actually like that 120mm idea, might work quite nicely

smoky yoke Aug 5, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Strv kpfz lolz interestingz seige mode enabled

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Overall I think the tank is unique and fun as is. I just think a couple more degrees of gun depression would really make the tank, without making it broken.

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Just a slight speed buff and maybe a gun buff too would make the tank possible to stand for me @fleet stump finally some one here who knows it doesnt even belong at tier 9 in the first place @fleet stump it can be perfectly balanced in wot 650 alpha slow reload great gun high speed THIN side armor and it had 50mm rear armor too see the turtle guy gets it the KPz should be able to assist everywhere as a jack of all trades tank

fleet stump Aug 5, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Give it the real stats. 72kp/h top speed. 32hp/t, Immun to Heat and Hesh, 1500HP of the german version! XD
@unique scaffold The Kpz/MBT 70 is Tier 15...

fiery flame Aug 5, 2019, 7:46 PM

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@unique scaffold I think the tank is actually balanced by its gun depression, would be a bit too much if it had more. I personally think a buff to dpm would be better

distant river Aug 5, 2019, 7:50 PM

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The dpm limits its effectiveness everywhere. The depression limits how wellnit can do in some situations which it should do well in. The tank should be pure support avoiding every 1v1 it can find. Better dpm would make it more independent which is wrong, but better depression would make it more versatile in support.

wide flume Aug 5, 2019, 7:52 PM

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^^^yes

winged barn Aug 5, 2019, 7:53 PM

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I love the kpz. While I would enjoy a buff to it, I like it how it currently is. I do not want another broken tank. I have been spamming battles in it and grinding tons of credits recently.

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 7:56 PM

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As much as i love the kpz i wouldnt want to play it that often Both guns were autoloaders but ok i would say rework it or remove it we all know it came out the same time warthunder released it in their game

fleet stump Aug 5, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Buff the Gun Depression next Patch. When it's broken asf. They can hotfix it. (: I mean it's designed for hulldown. And maaybe someday we get the 120mm Rheinmetal (was a autoloader) as 2nd Gun for a different playstyle.

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 8:15 PM

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The chieftain mk 6 has a strong turret and upper armor but its balanced by a giant easy to hit hatch on the turret and guess what the kpz 70 had a giant 20mm autocannon on top

slim rivet Aug 5, 2019, 8:55 PM

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WE nEed MOaR ATTacHEmEnTZ

unique scaffold Aug 5, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Make it a hit box not a pointless attachment

unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 1:11 AM

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Omg kpfz doesn't need buff stop crying for it @slim rivet attachments are completely fine as long as they actually look good , cuz pumpkin ,or rocket look just cheap in comparison to grille attachment from pc

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Yea kpf doesn’t need buff.skorpion h needs to be balanced

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Kpz sucks so much don’t even deny it skorpion G has no armor

dim field Aug 6, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Pumpkin attachment plus pumpkin camo is great.
Skorpion seems alright. I've heard kpf might need a slight gd buff, not sure though

violet sonnet Aug 6, 2019, 1:44 AM

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A good looking tank actually boosts my tanking morale
62a my first med to get attachments + legendary camo... feels like a whole unique tank now. No needed gold 121

deft owl Aug 6, 2019, 1:44 AM

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@unique scaffold Skorpion g isnt really op. Its as big as panther 2 and has no armor or camo rating.

Also Im tired from anyone who wants kpfpz buff. Not all premiums are supposed to strong af. Its a decent tank and let it be decent.

harsh ravine Aug 6, 2019, 1:48 AM

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It’s not decent. It’s a poor man’s Conway and T30

deft owl Aug 6, 2019, 1:54 AM

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@harsh ravine Check the the devs answer. Kpfpz beating every heavy tank but conqueror in winrate wise.

In stat wise Kpfpz beating everything but amx 50 100 in mobility and has decent hull and turret armor. Dpm is still mediocre but not bad as mauschen. Gun handlings are decent and - 6 gun depression is a bit let down.

It does not need any buff. We dont need another super strong premium. Especially in tier 9.

flat bane Aug 6, 2019, 1:55 AM

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@dusky oxide yeah you seem to be narrow minded and ignorance. Mines and Dead Rail are two out of many maps, you won't be fighting there that often. As I said before if you know where they are, then change your play-style. It may require you to think. Also if there's 3 of them [somehow] you should obviously know where they are, so how about spot them.

If the player base average is 40%, then let the 40%ers yolo into the 183s, and use their hp. The 183 should have beem spotted, if not, you'll know the 183 just fired so you have a 19 second opportunity to do whatever.

What I'm saying the 183 will be in the game no matter how much you complain/disapprove of its existence. So the best you can do is find ways to counter it. Use your knowledge of maps to see where they have the most likelihood to camp. 🤦 not hard to understand at all lol

fiery robin Aug 6, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Usually the map I'll see 183's in would either be Castilla or Faust

harsh ravine Aug 6, 2019, 1:59 AM

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Saying a tank is decent just because the player average is better compared to other tanks is not good evidence. That’s like saying the Grille 15 is better than the 183 just because you were looking at player averages. The Kpf doesn’t boast good armor, it’s M103 levels of armor. The Kpf posses terrible gun handling, and no, the Kpf doesn’t beat every tier 9 heavy

deft owl Aug 6, 2019, 2:07 AM

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0.18 bloom values
0.364 base accuracy
2.40 base aim time.

How the heck these stats are terrible? Also i didnt sad Kpfpz has good armor. I sad it has decent. Compared to M103, kpfpz is faster then m103.

The tank is decent. Stop showing it like garbage and want buff for it. Just because you paid real money for it doesnt mean it needs to rekt everything.

harsh ravine Aug 6, 2019, 2:09 AM

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Using player averages for each tank isn’t reliable. For example, if we used the Chrysler K vs a T34, using player averages isn’t reliable due to the fact that a considerable amount of less players own the Chrysler K compared to the T34. Another example, if we used player averages on tier 10 heavies, it is true that the Maus has better player averages compared to other tier 10 heavies, but does this automatically mean it’s better? No, it doesn’t.

deft owl Aug 6, 2019, 2:17 AM

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Kpfpz is very common in random matches. Thats why it make it to devs answer. Player averages are reliable resources for it. Chrysler k isnt in the list because its rare and not enough players play it to make a reliable resource for it. Unlike Kpfpz.

Maus has good overall winrate but worst overall damage except is-7. Kpfpz has decent overall winrate and damage. It does not need any buff. Any more buff will make it better then tech tree tanks.

winged barn Aug 6, 2019, 2:19 AM

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As a kpz player I completely agree it needs no buff.

harsh ravine Aug 6, 2019, 2:20 AM

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You do realize that it’s gun handling is almost identical to almost every tier 9 heavy right? .364 accuracy and 2.40 aim time isn’t fantastic, nor the fact I never paid real money for the tank, I earned it through the Missile Exercise event. You also do realize that “decent” is synonymous with good right? Sure, different standards of what’s good or decent, but still similar words. Admit the tank is garbage.

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deft owl Aug 6, 2019, 2:27 AM

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Decent isnt synonymous with good. 0.364 and 2.40 aim time isnt fantastic but 0.18 bloom is good for a heavy tank. The picture you show isnt really saying tank is garbage.

Tank is not garbage your are.

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harsh ravine Aug 6, 2019, 2:31 AM

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Yes, because insulting is a good argument. You do realize I have better Kpf stats compared to you right? Even if we were to use player averages, does this automatically mean that the Kpf is better than the E75 just because it has better player averages? Again, this is why I don’t find player averages good evidence.

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unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 2:46 AM

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I’m Black.

deft owl Aug 6, 2019, 2:46 AM

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Wg does not care what you find as a good evidence or not. They balance tanks by looking tank averages not players personal opinions.

Player averages are not exactly telling which tank is better then other but they show how they perform overally. In this case Kpfpz is NOT garbage.

When we come to "decent" word it only means good in certain circumstances. It does not means "good" in this case.

nimble zodiac Aug 6, 2019, 2:47 AM

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The gun out-trades all other T9 heavies, use that

winged barn Aug 6, 2019, 2:48 AM

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It has my 3rd highest average damage in tier 9, only beat by tds, and I have played most of the tier 9s in the game. The gun feels like a laser and can out trade basically every heavy as long as you are not stupid enough to sit in front of them.

proven helm Aug 6, 2019, 2:48 AM

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The same can be said for most heavies, they are great if u arent stupid enough to linger.

unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 2:55 AM

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Everyone must have insane luck because the gun requires really bad lead and practically already aiming when the battle starts as for m103 levels of armor it’s less competitive than it miss a shot oh well wait 14.6 seconds which the target is either too armored or already moved away as for it having good average player win rates it doesn’t take a genius to shoot 3 times in a kpz and take 2-3 hits . When a tank that has 27% concealment rate with bonuses is used as a reinforcement you know something’s wrong it’s not a sniper and even though it HAS APCR for standard ammo it doesn’t even act like APCR rather just a cheap knock off i barely get games in it where I fire more than 4 times

winged barn Aug 6, 2019, 2:58 AM

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More like 4-5 shots consistently and you have to lead that gun? You sure? You may want to compare the shell velocity of the apcr to any of the tier 9 heavies with ap @unique scaffold that 14.6 seconds can be used to relocate and reset camo, making that time time that could be well spent

proven helm Aug 6, 2019, 3:02 AM

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The gun has the same shell velocity that the other german heavies have. Its dpm sits right with the other german heavies. Better handeling then the other germans but less gun depression/elivation. Its more mobile, but less armor. Considering that it sits right with the other germans i see no reason for a buff to its stats.

quick lichen Aug 6, 2019, 3:35 AM

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nimble zodiac Aug 6, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Of course a 152mm will need a lead if it isn’t a TD, even then it needs a bit my default, also why u shooting meds, fight the heavies that can’f out-trade you. The Kpf is fine.

quick lichen Aug 6, 2019, 3:36 AM

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@unique scaffold “kpz is mediocre in every way”

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Except its the second highest wr heavy

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At the risk of sounding like a jerk, maybe it’s not the tank?

unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 3:38 AM

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I dont even camp in this thing it has horrible camo so tell me why did you resort to a underhand? No durr heavies dont spot

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quick lichen Aug 6, 2019, 3:38 AM

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You’re camping

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Why are you spotting at .9?

analog briar Aug 6, 2019, 3:39 AM

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I have a thought just a thought how about higher heat pen on T49 and cheaper cost per HE shell so when your forced to shoot HE cause you have not more ammo you don’t immediately lose 40k for the game

quick lichen Aug 6, 2019, 3:40 AM

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.9 is low for a heavy but ok

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@unique scaffold 🤔

violet sonnet Aug 6, 2019, 3:45 AM

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Possible too slow to get early spot... And that 1 stat don't always mean camping my Lord.
And ofc different play style too

quick lichen Aug 6, 2019, 3:45 AM

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1.12 is literally the average

nimble zodiac Aug 6, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Heavies spot heavies, meds spot everything else. Also that huge turret is gonna ruin your camo, that’s just the tank. The damage buff would just make an E 100 at tier 9 basically. The gun depression buff is somewhat reasonable but unnecessary. Nothing is mediocre about the damage, play it like a KV-2 or something, take the trade and kill them first. The mobility is nice too

quick lichen Aug 6, 2019, 3:47 AM

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.9 spots and 61% survival is a pretty good indication on being passive but what do I know

unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Oh you want more I got more you didn’t even bother to check my hit rate on it LMFAO you ignore my point that it’s sucks just because I show proof I do good in it doesn’t mean it’s a “good tank” way to go against what experience is

quick lichen Aug 6, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Idk why you’re crying about a tank you have 65% in

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It’s clearly a fine tank😂

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The tank sucks but it has:
Wr #2
Average damage #1
Damage ratio #1
Kdr #1
Spots #1

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Those are the blitzstars averages

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Not to mention wg confirms it in #devs-answers

nimble zodiac Aug 6, 2019, 3:58 AM

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This is like saying helsing needs a turret traverse buff 😉

quick lichen Aug 6, 2019, 4:00 AM

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People never cease to amaze me

left trellis Aug 6, 2019, 4:04 AM

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59 Fatton is nice, and I’m happy it’s getting a legendary camo, although I If they removed that cupola it’d become a bit op

unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 4:05 AM

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Yet which tank has been sold over and over the past months. So admitting some prems are OP hmm?

nimble zodiac Aug 6, 2019, 4:08 AM

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This is convenient, people want FV 183 buff when it has highest damage in class, kpf buff with highest damage in class, and anti-KV-2 nerf with highest damage in class. I guess balance has a shadow for the hard hitters?

quick lichen Aug 6, 2019, 4:09 AM

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@unique scaffold the balanced ones lol

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No 252u. No Wz td.

stoic pebble Aug 6, 2019, 4:11 AM

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Honestly speaking tho, how strong is the 252U in blitz? People got all worked up about its release and now I rarely hear it talked about. I’ve seen it in battle maybe 3 times maximum and that’s on RU where you expect the most 252U purchases.

violet sonnet Aug 6, 2019, 4:15 AM

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Problem exists we all agree .. doesn’t have to be a problem in volume but it is still a problem on the Old power creek within premiums

left trellis Aug 6, 2019, 4:16 AM

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252U can bounce, but get caught out in the open while trying to relocate...
TDs: I’m about to end this heavy’s whole career

indigo knot Aug 6, 2019, 4:26 AM

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If you see tier 8 tournament then you are only gonna see 252u wz112-2 wzft mostly and t49 mostly
Many players don't play it now coz they have 100 battles now ...

unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Selling a tank with supposed 2nd highest win rate and number one in everything would come off as OP no? Meaning it’s not balanced also meaning why has it been sold multiple times the past months if what you say is true ?

hot sun Aug 6, 2019, 4:34 AM

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The kpf is not OP, nor is it underpowered. It has it's own playstyle not shared by any other heavy tank in the game. As iraik pointed out in the chart, it performs great within its tier as a heavy, second only to the conqueror. If you have issues in the tank, or are performing bad in it: learn how to effectively play the tank, it's not the tank fault if someone has a low wr and damage in it, the charts above show the kpf performs quite well.

unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 4:39 AM

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Read the past messages and the photos of mine

peak turret Aug 6, 2019, 4:40 AM

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too much work to do that

hot sun Aug 6, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Why argue it's a bad tank if you do well in it, you're legit only trying to persuade people it needs a buff so hush. And WG routinely sells tanks they think will make them money. Easy as that. :/ all the data also proves you wrong mate.

indigo knot Aug 6, 2019, 5:32 AM

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Well it needs buff....Is8 wz111-4....have the same role that Kpf70 does but they do it better ....560alpha gun which low rolls most of the time why take it when you can get those on 460 alpha gun....turret have the biggest weakspot of the tanks of the same playstyle........front plate can troll sometimes but so can the other tanks frontplate...... penetration is lowest in class....dpm is lowest in its class.....it needs 8 deg of gun depression to make it actually competitive(640 alpha on HE is also poor even T49 has higher 700HE alpha)

Conq has the highest win rate in the charts but it is also one of the most out of meta tank...the only reason it is played is to get to tier 10
The charts are actually skewed

unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Also arguing even when your doing good in a bad tank is gonna back fire hard it literally admits experience tells you about the tank

cunning vapor Aug 6, 2019, 5:36 AM

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Its one of those tanks that, even tho it looks bad on paper, It does well in game. So, it doesnt need a buff/nerf.

wet nymph Aug 6, 2019, 5:38 AM

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Guys why do people think vk 45 a is bad heavy tank

flat bane Aug 6, 2019, 5:54 AM

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The T8? It's not bad at all, play it like a med.

crisp palm Aug 6, 2019, 6:01 AM

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Best heavium

winged barn Aug 6, 2019, 6:34 AM

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The gun depression on the vk45a sucks, other than that it is fine

pastel sandal Aug 6, 2019, 8:35 AM

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Armor suck on the VK 02 A other than that it's fine.

dusky oxide Aug 6, 2019, 9:04 AM

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@flat bane I'm "narrow minded and ignorance"? :D For pointing out a flaw in your argument? You cant know for certain where tanks camp, especially when theres 3. That means that an area will be retricted in an a game with already small maps. It shouldnt take a genius to work out that you can get less done with less map control. And do you enjoy it when games last 2mins because ypur team gets eaten by the enemy TDs?

Just because a 183 has a long reload it doesnt mean it just dies after firing automatically. Like i pointed out, theres 2 other TDs in most t10 games which means that when they stick together your fv will have plenty of security while reloading.

Its funny you talk about knowledge of map but cant seem to counter my examples of situations where the tank creates unwanted stagnant situations. When you cant work with your med teammates because no-one doesnt want to risk losing most of their hp in one shot theres clearly a problem. If DS really is as easy to counter as you say then why is it always the last tank standing...? Sounds like it doesnt have enough counters.

left trellis Aug 6, 2019, 9:21 AM

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Always go where the enemy least expects you

jade cargoBOT Aug 6, 2019, 10:20 AM

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dynoSuccess CAPSEL45#2959 has been warned.

sand olive Aug 6, 2019, 10:53 AM

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like frontline in 183 😂

jade cargoBOT Aug 6, 2019, 11:50 AM

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dynoSuccess winters61300[EG-]#5296 has been warned.

grave pier Aug 6, 2019, 12:16 PM

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I do not know where to write that. I put a minute to a minute 20 to enter the game.
Wtf...

dusky oxide Aug 6, 2019, 12:18 PM

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@grave pier not here since the name of the channel isnt matchmaking-discussion.

dusky oxide Aug 6, 2019, 12:50 PM

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@smoky yoke how about if you put 2 TDs on the snipers nest opposite of the bottom youre talking about. How is a medium going to counter those TDs. Going through the town is not an option if one of those 3 TDs is sitting in the spot near that bottom of the map. Its way worse on mines where the lighthouse spot can turn into a deathtrap. In both situations even capping isnt a reliable situation because of open gunlines.

And how do you get spotted behind a bush by a heavy that is 300m far? On top of that youre describing the tanks performance as if its the only tank on the enemy team. Matches are not the same environment as armor inspector. After you fire, you pull into cover and have teammates.
Luck isnt a very good balancing factor.

You literally just described why the DS is best suited for sitting behind your team and not moving for the entirety of the game. Want to re-elaborate on that non-stagnant gameplay?

bronze spoke Aug 6, 2019, 2:24 PM

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unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 3:43 PM

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@dusky oxide medium tanks on t 10 got mostly high view rang , and if td will shoot ,then it's camo will decrease so it gives you even higher chance of spoting them , on dead rail it isnt even hard for heavy tanks to spot corner camping TDs ,by just moving forward to A @bronze spoke I am afraid m8 that this channel name isn't " I did great in battle "

dusky oxide Aug 6, 2019, 3:51 PM

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@unique scaffold what do you consider "high view range"? Because theres plenty heavies at tier x that only get 7-16 meters less vr than meds. View range is no longer the important factor because of equipment available to heavies.
I know how camo mechanics work. Did you know if you shoot behind a bush after its no logner transparent you have a way better chamce of not gwtting spotted.

cunning kindle Aug 6, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Can wg rework dead rail already, i get tds camping on every map but usually its either on ht side or mt side but three tds on dead rail and each one can have a cozy little spot to shut down a flank and its been getting annoying

U cant even go from the lower area (ht side) to mt side without getting fired at by a td

Wait shud this be in balance discussion?

unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 4:44 PM

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The tanks with highest view range for me at T10 is leopard 1 and amx 30 b and guess what they can never spot anything unless they get hit

slim rivet Aug 6, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Unfortunately it’s not limited to dead rails @cunning kindle mines

unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 5:20 PM

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The old mines was great

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#maps-discussion

dusky oxide Aug 6, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Its not the maps creating the situations, its the 6 TDs that are allowed to dominate in numbers.

stiff vale Aug 6, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Please buff the comet's penetration

unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 6:03 PM

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pls nerv the WZ-121 Gold Pen

grizzled sleet Aug 6, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Lmao no comet is fine

smoky yoke Aug 6, 2019, 6:13 PM

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@dusky oxide Am going to make points for you since am having fun. 1. If a fv is there you will spot that td. What do you want tds to do be in frontlines , that's failure to what TD's ate suppose to do gameplay wise. For td to be effective in frontlines, it needs armor or a semi transversal turret. You acting like you don't play meds if you know where tds are stay away and kill the rest of the team. Meds are best in this game some has armor and some has the gun/mobility to ruin any heavy or TD's day. Your acting like meds are crappy they are my favorite tanks in game, then lights,heavies and TD's comes last since I only have 2 tds that past tier 6 in this game fv183, fv4005. ( 2.) I post vid4eo clips of me getting spotted in fv183 randomly without firing. I record most of games just to inventory masters to give to YouTubers if the case may come up. I said if your team abandons you , meaning 4 of you go one way and when we find the enemy 2 teammates leaves and you can't run from flank. Playing the way you want it, up close fv183 is not versatile , with how big and you can pen it. You can't poke out since every looking at you. 3. DS alone doesn't work out I said stay behind team CLOSE due to being alone you will get 0 dmg if the meds play right. From playing this game long enough if your meds die early you ain't gonna win if they don't play for team with spotting and doing dmg. Meds set the game. TD's are team dependant.

coarse harness Aug 6, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Every role depend on the others

dusky oxide Aug 6, 2019, 6:44 PM

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@smoky yoke what dont you understand? In the current meta there isnt the same number of mediums as TDs. Theres 5-6 TDs in almost every tier x game and only 2-4 mediums.

Lets think a little about how you're safely meant to deal with that many TDs if and when you dont have good or any med drivers on your team. Yes, like you said, you dont deal with them in any direct way, you attack their teammates and at most catch a glimpse of them. So you have to leave 3 of the biggest guns pointing at your team even though you have the tank type best designed for countering them. What happens is that your team feeds the enemy TDs all their hp and the match is over. The last tanks standing were TDs.

How are the mediums ever going to be on par in direct counter of the TDs when theres an overwhelming amount of them in the matchmaker at all times? Not only are they big in numbers, but they are also way easier to play than mediums in these situations. I agree with you that meds have a higher performance ceiling but the playerbase avg is 47%.

Which is more probable to see: 3 mediums that know how to read a lineup, spot actively, know when to disengage or even look at the map every 5-10 seconds. Or 3 TDs that sit in base and only have to focus the right targets and know how a bush works?

twilit crystal Aug 6, 2019, 6:56 PM

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I mean I can deal with 4 183s for all I care lol. The thank is horrible and should stay horrible

quick lichen Aug 6, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Tank*

mild holly Aug 6, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Wich hate kv 1 nerf

unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 7:50 PM

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That has nothing to do with vehicle balance @dapper needle

dapper needle Aug 6, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Sorry posted in wrong place.

dusky oxide Aug 6, 2019, 8:21 PM

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@twilit crystal good to hear that you can. Can the rest of the playerbase and is it enjoyable?

twilit crystal Aug 6, 2019, 8:30 PM

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@dusky oxide its hillarious to rekt 183s. The 183 is no longer a problem in tier X. its free dmg. I say keep it that way

analog briar Aug 6, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Need Conway to extinction

quick lichen Aug 6, 2019, 9:25 PM

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It’s getting nerfed but ok

dusky oxide Aug 6, 2019, 9:29 PM

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@twilit crystal I'd much rather play against or alongside something that brings something of value to the game instead of being either useless or taking out most of someones hp without requiring any effort. I dont mind the tank on its own but when its part of the 2 other TDs in nearly every team it becomes a nuisance.

I agree that the tank cant be made to suit the game better (at least i dont believe the dev team would be capable of such) but the cap for TDs should be lowered to 2. Support tanks shouldnt dominate every t10 game.

wicked oracle Aug 6, 2019, 9:37 PM

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@analog briar Conway is like the absolute best way to show your skill as a tanker cause it’s very balanced

nimble zodiac Aug 6, 2019, 9:42 PM

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It’s kinda like an SU-122-54 with a turret, and that’s scary. Conway will probably need the nerf

slim rivet Aug 6, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Conway is more like a t30 with a medium agility

unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Conway got nerfed tf you all mean it went from 3.2k 3.5k dpm to 2.6k 2.8k and worse dispersion

wicked oracle Aug 6, 2019, 10:40 PM

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Yet it continues to reek havoc and it’s 120 or 5.5 deals plentiful damage to lower tiers and honestly it needs a knerf

gaunt coyote Aug 6, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Seriously where the blimmin' flipity flip flop is my Grille 15 buff?!

They're buffing tanks like 215b with healing powers and what not but Grilles camovalues are still so horrendously bad that sniping with it reliably is a bloody joke.

smoky yoke Aug 6, 2019, 11:03 PM

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@gaunt coyote think they working on tech trees first then other nations

unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 11:07 PM

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@wicked oracle did you just say a tank that had 3.5k dpm at tier 9 that was nerfed due to that needs a buff???

ancient palm Aug 6, 2019, 11:51 PM

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unique scaffold Aug 6, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Well now he correct it to nerf I was gonna say

deft owl Aug 7, 2019, 12:15 AM

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@gaunt coyote Grille 15 bad at sniping? Lol. I would like to hear which tanks you consider good at sniping.

gaunt coyote Aug 7, 2019, 12:20 AM

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@deft owl a tank with camo. Because what is the point of playing with a paper tank if you get spotted even when you shoot at 300m👌 🙃

nimble zodiac Aug 7, 2019, 12:32 AM

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dogofwisdom I’m pretty sure he wanted a further nerf

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 12:36 AM

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@dusky oxide yes I do know that , also you should know that most of playerbase isn't smart enough to breath and move at the same time ,so I doubt it is common knowledge , also meds got higher speed which in combination with higher view range makes them great spotters , but I suppose you know that...

next lake Aug 7, 2019, 12:56 AM

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static sierra Aug 7, 2019, 12:57 AM

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You can may be give us more information ?

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nimble zodiac Aug 7, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Pretty sure it’s basically armor that doesn’t stay under the overmatch rule. Let’s say 50mm fought a 152mm, overmatched. This extra armor doesn’t really effect the armor, just the calculations that decide if it pens or not, 52.5mm of armor is still overmatchable by 152mms because it doesn’t affect the base stat. That’s how I see it

modern mango Aug 7, 2019, 1:47 AM

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Basically t22 is op , dot.
😂😂😂😂

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 2:13 AM

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@unique scaffold even if there wasn't a pinned msg about mm discussion here , you just can't be more wrong , I hope it is fake

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 2:36 AM

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How many exactly there is players on asia server? 8 k max? And how many of them will be from Australia? I doubt it is even 1 k ... So it would be unworthy of work done. And sorry I though you will just cry about mm being bad cuz of bad players

quick lichen Aug 7, 2019, 2:43 AM

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@unique scaffold please find another server to cry about mm on

tulip escarp Aug 7, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Super pershing needs gun handling buff,

flat bane Aug 7, 2019, 3:02 AM

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@dusky oxide yes you are narrow minded and ignorant:D. Your MM must be horrible if you have 3 183s on the enemys team. Even if you have 3 you should be glad, that's 45% of the enemy team that camps and you'll know where they are. Of course you can't know for certain where they may camp, but you'll know the most common spots and try to avoid them. I'm not sure what you're doing in battle, but I win more if the enemy has a 183.

It doesn't die after it fires, however it has a high probability of being spotted. Then you'll know where it is. Considering the map, the TDs will probably spread out and won't be around the 183 in most cases. Try to isolate the tank just like you would to any other vehicle.

I actually have countered your examples, the maps you previously mentioned are 2, out of many other maps. You won't play on those maps in any consistent order. If you can't "work" with your team then too bad. Not every team is the same, some may work together and try to win, and others are.... perfer not to answer. If you can't work with your team then try your best to do as much damage as possible or spot. As I said multiple times before, the 183 is going to be in the game no matter how much you complain/ despise its existence. The best thing you can do is find ways to counter it by changing your play-style or by other means. Seems like you're pretty adamant on how the 183 causes a "stagnant situation", if that's the case, play T8 or lower tiers in general.

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 3:37 AM

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The obj252U is easily one of or the best tier 8 tank. It has everything you need armor is extremely strong gun is pretty good speed is pretty good.unlike most Russian tanks you can angle it and not have a big weak point.

thorn cedar Aug 7, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Easy to kill though

winter lagoon Aug 7, 2019, 3:58 AM

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One thing I wish I had on BC, is a fourth shell. I can understand why people wouldn’t want that because it makes it more dangerous, but I feel if you added a couple seconds on reload and maybe do delay from 3 to 3.3 then it could be balanced out. I just don’t have fun in BC when I realize I’m not doing as much damage as I wish I could be because while you shoot three shells, the alpha damage is Soviet tank low and you can’t always stick around to reload a whole clip to shoot someone with after you’ve dumped one already.

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Bat chat rolls for 900 a clip I honestly hate it and stopped driving it

shut solstice Aug 7, 2019, 4:30 AM

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I really wish that they would buff the lower plate of the Is 7

winged barn Aug 7, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Nah, upper plates

pallid pewter Aug 7, 2019, 4:32 AM

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So uh if I surpass 50 battles and not enough damage I don’t get tank,

twilit crystal Aug 7, 2019, 4:33 AM

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@pallid pewter yes and the problem is?

graceful copper Aug 7, 2019, 4:51 AM

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50 battle not enough for my useful team and me ;/

twilit crystal Aug 7, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Stop blaming your team lol. Its mostly you

sweet prism Aug 7, 2019, 4:59 AM

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Talking about homogenisation factor...anyone else feels Helsing used to troll bounce more when it first came out? Did they secretly touch it's armour hidden stats?
I don't have it, talking from experience of facing it in battles

quick lichen Aug 7, 2019, 5:01 AM

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It’s getting slowly power crept by pen

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And people know where to shoot it now

shy wren Aug 7, 2019, 5:08 AM

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Weak lower plate, paper sides

crude pumice Aug 7, 2019, 5:31 AM

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VK100P need rebuff cupora, it's too weak to shoot each other with its bad disperson. wrecked tank.

latent snow Aug 7, 2019, 5:56 AM

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Not to mention the lower plate can be penned by everything, hell even the comet can frontally pen it

obsidian solstice Aug 7, 2019, 5:58 AM

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And why did they nerf the dispersion on it of all things?

vocal crest Aug 7, 2019, 7:11 AM

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They should have nerfed the armour, instead they are decided on nerfing the Maüschen instead, a tank which doesn’t do very well compared to the vk

prisma pumice Aug 7, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Can the American tier x tds gets nerfed the armor

obsidian solstice Aug 7, 2019, 7:24 AM

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Wait the Maüschen???

dusky oxide Aug 7, 2019, 7:37 AM

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@flat bane I just described a situation, told why its bad and your counter argument is to belittle the problem and say too bad. Yeah ok, im narrow minded for pointing out every tier x game has the same roster of tanks.

I very consistently get 5-6 TDs per match. We must not be on the same server. How many times do I have to tell you that my problem isnt that I don't know what to do when there's multiple TDs, its how they affect the meta. When theres only 2-4 meds against that big of a number of TDs spotting one for a couple seconds wont really make a difference. Its rare to get enough meds on your team and even rarer to get good med drivers that even flank. So when you say 'work with your team' do you mean I should play my medium as a heavy since I cant do much about that many TDs and my routes are limited by TD gunlines? Thats whag half the mediums drivers are currently doing.

I dont mind the 183 on its own, It becomes a nuisance when theres 2 others TDs to shield it during reloads. I'd much rather play against or alongside something that actually takes skill to play and can get something done.

soft egret Aug 7, 2019, 7:52 AM

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the 183 was my first td in blitz i have gotta say cummunity its a dead tank its... impossible/near impos to play any map and get over 3500dmg consistantly i bought the deathstar when it was good before the speed nerf the turning speed nerf and i hate it i used to tell my clan my 183 was my fav tank but now im like wargaming "you have gone to far with it" and it pisses me off that every game i play im spotted after one shot and destroyed on some occasions in less then 10 secs its god damn freaking annoying wargaming's tank testing super testers need to really look at it now as it is and buff it... higher average speed better turning speed by a smitch and wayyy better camoflauge rating.... please wargaming staff see this im suffering. the 183 is my most played tank and im suffering every day i play it.

dusky oxide Aug 7, 2019, 7:56 AM

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If it has that low of a floor it should also have a low ceiling. Tier X shouldnt be about being rewarded dmg for getting good rng and sitting in one spot for the whole game.

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 8:14 AM

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Don't play it then

indigo knot Aug 7, 2019, 8:26 AM

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I don't like 183 never researched it even though I have 26 tier 10s but it is a bit over nerfed.... though i can understand that....they were 2-3 in every game and made game play stagnant and camo was broken on it when it the size of house.. but it should have retained the accuracy while giving it enormous aim time and poor shell velocity on all ammo types...so sniping could be made difficult

winged barn Aug 7, 2019, 8:27 AM

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Or nerf the accuracy and give it the armor back

thick rover Aug 7, 2019, 8:30 AM

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well I think it's accuracy it's already beyond nerfing

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 8:34 AM

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Just leave it bad as it is now

coarse harness Aug 7, 2019, 8:43 AM

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Rework or remove the tank because 👆 that's not how balance works
It is the most useless T10 in the game right now

dusky oxide Aug 7, 2019, 9:25 AM

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@unique scaffold I dont understant why anyone with a career wr over 50% would.

sage thicket Aug 7, 2019, 9:26 AM

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WG already buffed it a lot by deleting good maps such as temple, career etc for tier X.

candid steeple Aug 7, 2019, 9:35 AM

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After playing few battles and meeting M4/FL10 with amx turret on jumbos chassis with italian loading system. That thing is OP. I really don't want to see you WG making premium tanks with italian system. Every time, that tank was with most damage done. It reloads fast and it doesn't care about magazine. I hope you will think more about this system before releasing it. I spoked with few people that I saw playing M4/FL10 and they all said that its OP.

candid steeple Aug 7, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Oh look video about that tank just came out. I wonder if they asked themselves if tier VII that shoots faster then T69 that is tier VIII isn't broken? Oh and right they added just a few more armore plates just to make it even harder to pen. Greedy wargraming again in action. little bit salty here :/

noble siren Aug 7, 2019, 10:14 AM

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Well at least people will pay for it so we can see more unicums with 6k on it

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 10:27 AM

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pls nerv the WZ-121 , 290mm pen is low

orchid grove Aug 7, 2019, 10:33 AM

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@candid steeple You really don't know what you're talking about do you? 😂
The maximum DPM possible on the FL/10 is a mere 2167 (which is achieved by firing the first shell in the clip only, and letting it reload), the same as the AMX 13 75 and T71, and like 700-800 less than single shooters like the M41 Bulldog and Comet. It's also much slower than the light tanks, and also slower than tanks like the Comet, and it's less accurate, and it only has 6 degrees gun depression. As for the armor, it's NOT the Jumbo's chassis, it's just a slightly uparmored M4A3E8, which still isn't going to bounce many shots.

The only thing it has going for it is the autoreloader mechanic, but since the gun is so small, and comparable autoloaders and single-shooters have such fast reloads anyway, it's not much to write home about

candid steeple Aug 7, 2019, 10:50 AM

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sure

rustic eagle Aug 7, 2019, 10:53 AM

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@candid steeple the t69 has a 90mm and the fl/10 has a 76mm gun, of course the new tank is going to shoot faster, what do you expect?

grizzled sleet Aug 7, 2019, 11:00 AM

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@unique scaffold do you mean buff?

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 11:00 AM

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Yes , 290mm is rly slow 300mm ok

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 11:41 AM

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Its posible to delete wr on tanks that was delete as t150 etc??

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Nope

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Why? This tanks is no longer avalible so...

shy wren Aug 7, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Some people still have the tank

meager spruce Aug 7, 2019, 11:57 AM

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That is right it is not available in the tech tree because It is collectable. Therefore some people keep it in their collection which means that the tank is still in the game.

viscid tundra Aug 7, 2019, 12:46 PM

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When will be add new europe tech tree to game?

fathom tulip Aug 7, 2019, 1:42 PM

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hello can i get the offer for the fl10 m4 im ready to buy him my name account is tanyadegurechaff01 im on EU server

fathom tulip Aug 7, 2019, 2:04 PM

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pls give my this offer on android

twilit crystal Aug 7, 2019, 3:34 PM

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@orchid grove I think you forgot the last shell doesnt have inter clip. It's closer to 2400 dpm

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 3:45 PM

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@unique scaffold English please

rustic eagle Aug 7, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Why do we get an intra clip i blitz for autoreloaders

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Pc dont have them right?

meager spruce Aug 7, 2019, 4:18 PM

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I don't understand what you are trying to say. From what I understand I will say that I think you are confusing autoloaders with autoreloaders

twilit crystal Aug 7, 2019, 4:36 PM

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yes but our shell reload is still faster so its basically the same.

grizzled sleet Aug 7, 2019, 4:37 PM

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@rustic eagle so by what I can tell you'd literally have to have 3 barrels not to have an intraclip, not having an intraclip is just not something achievable

rustic eagle Aug 7, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Im trying to say that we have reload + interclip between each shell, pc only has a standard reload from what i can remember unless im just wrong?

meager spruce Aug 7, 2019, 4:57 PM

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PC has autoreloadets too. The italian tech tree line tiers 8-10 and the premium Progetto 46.

rustic eagle Aug 7, 2019, 4:58 PM

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No i get that, but they just have a reload from what i remember, not a reload + intra clip reload time

clever void Aug 7, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Ya you are going coo coo

rustic eagle Aug 7, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Okay great, now how can i even get the offer

grizzled sleet Aug 7, 2019, 5:25 PM

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@rustic eagle yes PC, Console, Blitz, and real life all autoloading tanks or autoreloading tanks have an intraclip

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Buff Grille 15 👍

undone merlin Aug 7, 2019, 5:44 PM

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But why though

drifting depot Aug 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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I'm pretty sure the new a45 needs a little buff on the armor, there's not that much of effective strategys to use with the low armor, but I gotta admit that just like the black prince, it destroys on close quarters combat on 1v1 battles; Huh, actually nevermind I just remembered that new consumables are coming out, those should do on it at least, but those would be reaaaally op on other heavy tanks with high armor/good angles for increased armor effectiveness

distant river Aug 7, 2019, 5:54 PM

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A45 is perfectly fine how it is

strange scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Buff American Armors, M6 is too weak.

drifting depot Aug 7, 2019, 6:08 PM

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American tanks are supposed to have low armor but compensate it with slightly higher mobility firepower and a huuuuge cannon mantlet on the front of the turret

drifting depot Aug 7, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Also some noice hp

lost island Aug 7, 2019, 6:42 PM

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American tanks have weak butt

weak spindle Aug 7, 2019, 6:48 PM

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WG, can you please nerf the fv4005, it has the burst dmg of a 183 when firing hesh, while also having more pen, and having better gun handling, as well as being fast enough to chase a bc, and also has less reload than the 183 and (I’m pretty sure) has less reload than the other heavy autoloaders. I just dislike that this thing can relocate as fast as a med while also being able to one clip tier 9s with some high rolls. And don’t forget it also just says no to he shells which is it’s one weakness

grizzled sleet Aug 7, 2019, 6:49 PM

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Lmao new tank (it's not even new, several months old as a matter a fact) comes out is heavy BuFf It, It DoEsNt HaVe GoOd ArMoUr

uneven surge Aug 7, 2019, 6:51 PM

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:v 183 was supposed to have 1.75k alpha (it is inconcole)

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 6:52 PM

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The FV4005 is the size of a small apartment building and has the armor of a budget aluminum can. One misstep gets you a unhealthy does of HE. It really doesn't need a Nerf.

crimson cosmos Aug 7, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Would giving the Caernarvon the 32lb. gun be unbalancing? The low alpha and weak hull just make it the most unforgiving Tier VIII Heavy IMO. It has the weakest gun in Tier and just seems so bloody frustrating if you are facing some gawdawful Soviet Heavy as the last two survivors.

weak spindle Aug 7, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Well, most guns actually do less dmg with he, so this gets rid of that weakness, and there are other tanks that are the big, amx 50b included while also being a autoloader, but that tank can’t chase a bc nore can it nerf he shells. Basically I think the fv4005 is just a 183 that is super fast, while also having good gun handling which shouldn’t really happen. Idk, I just think it should get a mobility nerf and an aiming time nerf, this should rebalance it a little more.

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Can someone please put up a shot of the FV4005 and the 50b from the same angle. One is big... and the other is HUGE.

I'm pretty sure the Disco ball that was in the garage never rested on top of the 50b.

uneven surge Aug 7, 2019, 7:01 PM

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no way. its mobility if the literally only way for saving itself from derps and flankers ,and there is no such thing as perfect balanced tanks,as it makes the game boring

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 7:01 PM

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If you just sit in front of an fv4004 for +6s, then it's ur problem

dusky oxide Aug 7, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Its just that its not +6s because of consumables and it can literally chase down a batchat for the same reason :)

grizzled sleet Aug 7, 2019, 7:10 PM

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4005* 4004 is conway

jade cargoBOT Aug 7, 2019, 7:12 PM

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dynoSuccess DDT[ABRMS]#4597 has been warned.

weak spindle Aug 7, 2019, 7:12 PM

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The consumables, imo, is what tips this thing over the edge in terms of strength

uneven surge Aug 7, 2019, 7:13 PM

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oh next time you've be telling me that the foch needs a nerf on mobility after the autoloader added cuz it can 2 shot and ram batchat till oof

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Unfortunately I think that consumables will be universal at some point.

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I don't think it is a good idea to call for vehicle nerfs because currently they have access to consumables while other vehicles don't .

weak spindle Aug 7, 2019, 7:22 PM

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@uneven surge, I do think the foch shouldn’t have the autoloader, one reason being the example you gave, but not a mobility nerf because that thing has a really slow reverse speed. And it is unfortunate that the consumables will be universal because, imo, I dislike how mad games are basically coming to pub battles. But I do wish that they would either get rid of the consumables or add consumables for every tank at the same time (preferably the first option).

quaint trellis Aug 7, 2019, 7:29 PM

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ya so

blissful blaze Aug 7, 2019, 7:33 PM

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I just want to apologize to the citizens of WarGaming for my redneck language I used 10mins ago.

twilit crystal Aug 7, 2019, 7:41 PM

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I dont see the problem in the 4005 getting spall liner, in pc you have to specifically load HE/HESH and you can't insta switch. In blitz its insta switch to HE,.

outer socket Aug 7, 2019, 7:43 PM

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lol thats helpful

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Loool I'm saving that

distant river Aug 7, 2019, 8:03 PM

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@twilit crystal the issie is that no other tanks get it, like grille for example. Basically same amount of armour, which gun you think is better depends of preference, but 4005 has these new consumables which let it become HE immune and have crazy speed amd acceleration

Grilles hull is also much more vulnerable to HE, while the 4005s hull is HE proof. 4005 also has much better turret teaverse limits and 10° depression everywhere

twilit crystal Aug 7, 2019, 8:04 PM

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I bet if everyone stopped firing HE at the grille it would take more damage. The grille actually troll bounces He, the 4005 doesn't

weak spindle Aug 7, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Well, in a way, the fv does, it takes less dmg from he, and if you hit the gun mantlet, much like the grille (in a way), it doesn’t pen

rustic eagle Aug 7, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Well thats not going to happen often now is it? Aim your shots and you'll pen HE. Its not the tank needing a nerf, its you that needs a buff

distant river Aug 7, 2019, 8:20 PM

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4005 is too good how it is, and it is the consumables fault. Remove the consumables and it is nicely balanced

undone merlin Aug 7, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Without the consumables the 4005 goes from monster to alright. It doesn't need a crazy engine boost or whatnot to be a good vehicle, and these consumables simply act as crutches.

weak spindle Aug 7, 2019, 8:33 PM

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@rustic eagle, I can’t control rng

rustic eagle Aug 7, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Well thats rng, not the tank. You're always going to get unlucky shots. Doesnt mean you should nerf a tank

distant river Aug 7, 2019, 8:38 PM

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@rustic eagle what about the tank is balenced? It is literally a cross between the good parts of the grille and the 50b

unreal spear Aug 7, 2019, 8:39 PM

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My friend have a problém with World of Tanks Blitz

obsidian solstice Aug 7, 2019, 8:40 PM

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well then state the problem, this is the balance discussion channel after all :v

blissful blaze Aug 7, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Dude, calm down. He is just saying his friend is having trouble with blitz. Dont be jealous because you don’t have a friend to help, Mr Vatze

This is a friendly neighborhood community.

As a spokesman for WG, we most love one another, care for one another, be one with another, and help one another, through the good and the bad.

If the CEO of WG said “ my friend is having trouble logging into blitz” on this channel y’all would be jumping in to help him like a bunch of paparazzi you are.

Now you can mute me and delete this message moderators.

quick lichen Aug 7, 2019, 8:49 PM

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@unreal spear what server?

unreal spear Aug 7, 2019, 8:51 PM

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EU, and nick IS Arvexplays

blissful blaze Aug 7, 2019, 8:57 PM

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An anonymous person told me that y’all are a bunch of “asshats”
I can’t name who since I signed a paper

obsidian solstice Aug 7, 2019, 8:58 PM

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kden

teal olive Aug 7, 2019, 9:43 PM

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FV4005 is just a worse amx 50B without consumables. Change my mind

twilit crystal Aug 7, 2019, 9:50 PM

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the crazy engine boost is OP i admit but the other 2 consumables are fine lol. Also it isn't OP. Even with the skew of better players playing it its only barely the best tier X td. It should soon start falling to about middle and lower. It might even be buffed in a few patches 😃

wet quail Aug 7, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Flat out nerf the smasher

tulip escarp Aug 7, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Buff super pershing gun handling

nimble zodiac Aug 7, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Super pershing is a good tank, needs no buff

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 10:05 PM

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the engine ._. Need a buff

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I think a gun handling buff for the Super Pershing would be a good move.

teal olive Aug 7, 2019, 10:16 PM

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@unique scaffold absolutely agree on that. I quit playing the tank because the gun is just too bad.

indigo knot Aug 7, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Super Pershing needs buff ....bloom is way to big for a med tank
The armour is horrible on Super Pershing.....works only against some IS tanks and those who don't know what aiming is....gun handling is horrible.... mobility is horrible.....the armour is not dependable now as many high pen guns are there not 175 mm pen guns ....only good point was it got OP abilities in mad games

nimble zodiac Aug 7, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Play it like a heavium, it can dish out some lights and meds a real problem

visual nimbus Aug 7, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Honestly for the most part my shots will go where I point... even with the odd gun handling. I wouldn’t mind a buff for my most played tank though :^

old jasper Aug 7, 2019, 10:38 PM

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!rank

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Saying the fv4005 line is not balanced is plain dumb the consumables give it its uniqueness and your fault for not getting it in time since it got nerfed recently

weak spindle Aug 7, 2019, 11:15 PM

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The fv4005 didn’t get nerfed, the charioteer did (which was deserved) the Conway got “fixed” because the first track was better than the second, which can be considered a nerf, but the fv4005 never got nerfed. And the consumables is what makes it OP, without them all of them would still be unique bye their relatively good speed, and for the fv4005, it would still have the autoloader that does 1380 burst dmg, which isn’t like the other autoloaders

unique scaffold Aug 7, 2019, 11:38 PM

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It went from 3.5k dpm to 3.2k while it has the most Burst damage no longer fastest reload it also got nerfed to 8 degrees of elevation I believe

twilit crystal Aug 7, 2019, 11:42 PM

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lol its dpm got butchered. Its literally now a worse Skorpion G

weak spindle Aug 8, 2019, 12:17 AM

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I believe you are taking about the charioteer
Edit: I was talking to wannabeunicum

unique scaffold Aug 8, 2019, 12:18 AM

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Smh the fv4005 is my subject

weak spindle Aug 8, 2019, 12:30 AM

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To put into perspective how good fv4005’s stock dpm is, the only tier ten tank that has a better stock dpm than the 4005 is the 263, I didn’t check the premium tier 10s because I don’t have any of them but I presume you will find the same trend.

neat crescent Aug 8, 2019, 12:57 AM

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Neither and this channel isnt meant to discuss that kind of things

unique scaffold Aug 8, 2019, 1:14 AM

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At all