I just want my rev to not be so cursed when I play it
#tank-balance-discussion
crystal spoke
nimble zodiac
KV-1 doesn’t need a nerf, you can use the armor unless going hulldown or sidescraping
dreamy rapids
I'd like to know what WG is smoking with the charioter
dreamy crest
@dreamy rapids our cash
unique scaffold
@knotty mica read the pinned messages.
late terrace
hey guys did anyone loose there Gold which they got during tournament ?? . i sent a ticket to WOT since yesterday and still no response . i got screen grab to prove my issue. so dont see why it would take so long to respond.
tropic sorrel
let's bring back hetzer derp cannon :)
mighty spear
I think leopard pta deserves to have 9 degrees of gun dp just like leopard 1 that way it is balanced
fringe summit
@mighty spear No, because thats what makes the leopard 1 worth the grind.
errant tendon
Hi
thorn cedar
twilit marsh
Haha you have no luck
unique scaffold
@fringe summit true story XD PT A is almost the same and tier for tier way better...
indigo knot
7 deg of gun depression is kinda what pta needs
river portal
why this on e3 and no weak spots on badger or because badger come with money? btw i do pen the e3 with he in his face 80% of times
verbal orchid
Badger is the new pay to win! Gosh mine, that tank needs a huge nerf..
unique scaffold
Badger isn't OP. Don't park in front of it and you'll be fine
river portal
@unique scaffold that true for random games but not in cws tank can hold one side no problem
static dew
@unique scaffold so you find it balanced having a tier V hull in Tier 8 ?
ashen rune
The Leo 1 has nonexistent armor in tier 10, your point? Just play the tank right
static dew
Who said i don’t play the tank right ? @ashen rune whats your stats on it
quick lichen
We are not getting into an ego measuring contest here
I’m not sure what you expect with the m4 ravioli
It’s a glass cannon
ashen rune
dont take it as an insult it could just be your playing style that differs from the tank
clever void
It does have a mantel. I would argue the buff it needs is aim time
quick lichen
It needs an alpha buff
It has 390 on pc
310 here
Meanwhile the T-34-2/3 retain a far higher alpha damage at 400
@static dew so why did you buy it?
All the stats are public knowledge
You can’t buy a premium and then complain it’s not good enough. That’s you making a poor investment
So wait. Wg made a tank you claim isn’t good enough, bought it knowing what it’s stats were, and now are complaining about it?
Yes. We should close this channel to 35k+ people because you are frivolous with money. Good plan
Because it’s primarily about tech tree tanks...
neat crescent
🤔 🤔
deft owl
Tiger 131= flat out worse kuro mori mine
smoky yoke
@deft owl you know what they gonna do nerf the kuro now xD
unique scaffold
@woeful tendon read the pinned messages
clever void
@quick lichen Of course you have a point. But I bought Rev knowing it was on the weak side. I expect a buff someday on it 😄
violet sonnet
Just like people who bought Panther 8.8 ... now they are being rewarded patch by patch lol.
Balance talks should include all tanks...with priority on tech tree cuz many premiums are behind pay wall. (We kinda got into blitz cuz its free-to-play)
static dew
Indeed, this channel is made to talk about the balancing of all tanks, and not about judging customer’s poor decision for buying an unblanaced tank, thats just not right
uneven surge
make it (Tiger 131) 110 frontal armour and and a little more hp ,and less reload time
unique scaffold
so buff the tank in every way that matters
grizzled sleet
Lol
unique scaffold
leave the Tiger 131 as it is, you had the ability to look at the stats before purchasing; so you buy it and ask for an instant buff? I don't thinks so..
crystal spoke
I don't think it really needs to be buffed its quite playable even if the turret is a bit slow
mossy cipher
t49 needs a nerf on its gun, im tired of that "light" tank just running around blasting anything with its 152mm gun. It's just insane
unique scaffold
No it doesn't @mossy cipher
The gun has low alpha for a 152mm and horrible gun handling. It's fine.
thorn cedar
Be in a match with 2 Lowe’s 2 t6 Dracula’s charioteer isu 152 and a grave digger on one team how’s that fair to anyone
neat crescent
Its fair to me if i have a whole smasher and isu gang or all vk 100(skilled players) @thorn cedar not in this next update @flat maple
flat maple
will charioteer be nerfed
crystal spoke
Potentially yes potentially no
unique scaffold
Give Panther II decent gun, 280 alpha unleast and 850hp engine.
violet sonnet
Right not only panther but Pershing too deserve some buffs ... been too long and they make players suffer than enjoy the grind
clever musk
Charioteer nerf, please. I'm disappointed by not seeing it in 6.1 changes. And nerf M7 front armor slightly
desert abyss
UM
nimble zodiac
The M7 is fine, I wouldn’t expect to pen everything that easily if it’s gonna be slow paced
cursive cove
Will Conway get nerf?
thin fable
On stock tracks yes
cursive cove
Just dat right?
quick crown
Meanwhile...
Tier 4 heavies and lights struggle against Tier 5 tanks
nimble zodiac
That’s kind of how it’s supposed to work
fringe summit
Lol indeed. Poor newbies, tier 4 is completely broken. 7 out of 10 times you will be placed as the only tier 4 in a tier 5 battle
mighty silo
Slt
azure tiger
We need a buf on the charioteer reload , or dispersion , and the mobility
kind swallow
Just give panther 2 8.8 l/100 gun
Then it will be so good, so nice
grizzled sleet
But that's the point of the tank panther 8.8, just buff the 8.8 on it
kind swallow
Cos 8.8 l/100 havr 232 pen and on gold which u dont really need to use have around 260 pen
And it aims faster, better dispersion
I've liked panther 2 anyway but many players say that this tank is trash, so little buff wpuld be nice
hearty hawk
Add 10v10 event
wooden sand
The japs tanks armour is legit paper with a scissor going through it
mossy cipher
AMX 13 75 needs a buff on the pen or something else for a tier 7 tank that sees a lot of tier 8 tanks is really an awful tank, the poor penetration does not cut it, you can't pen most mediums let alone those tier 8 mediums that have so much armor for some reason, I hate having to be playing the same tank that in tier 6, does not feel like an upgrade over the AMX 12 T and i really like that thing
look at those stats, im comparing it here with the AMX 12 T
look at that horrendous gun elevation/depression numbers, jesus!
humble spear
The AMX 13 75 is fine as it is, I'm really enjoying mine. The decent DPM for an autoloader and good gun handling make it for me, along with good camo and mobility.
grizzled sleet
The 13 90 is what needs a buff, not too big but a second or 2 off it's clip reload wouldn't hurt
unique scaffold
That's why I use Chi-Ri, the only vehicle with 1 second of intra-clip reload
grave bear
its so damn op
gravedigger exists
btw whats the balancing factor of chi ri to have the best tier 7 autoloader or probably best tier 7 gun on meds/lights overall
@coral bobcatpretty sure tier X mastery sits at 1444 xp
coral bobcat
WG Can you delete the mission: get 1300xp in ONE battle? That force to get a mastery Badge for tier X , very hard to complete. @grave bear chiri have no armour and bad mobility. Nope most of the tanks are in 1300-1400 xp
unique scaffold
jsem tu spravně
unique scaffold
VK100.01P has a mind blowing 1000 Dpm. Even worse than a tier 3!
distant river
You dont play that tank for DPM
Its like saying "FV4005 only has 15mm of turret armour. Even worse than a tier 1"
topaz geyser
Vk100.01p is very good wtf
smoky yoke
Premium version gonna be a backwards Maus
orchid grove
Every noob ever:" ____ tank is weak. It needs a buff; I think it should get an armor buff." Like have you noticed that every noob ever ONLY asks for armor buffs?
And FWIW, M4A1 Revalorise primarily just needs a buff up to 350 alpha; and then it would be fine.
pastel elk
@coral bobcat 3k dmg and 3 kills on bc25t
coral bobcat
@pastel elk yep sometimes if you spot track and keep reds in your view range...
exotic pelican
@orchid grove I support your comment
plucky spade
Hellcat... Please fix the durability and movement speed, can go up to 65 km/h but cant swing... and very unarmored. even tier 1 can drive around it and rape it ;v
violet sonnet
I mean if Ru can bounce shots why not || trolling ||
fiery flame
Hellcat is fine as it is 😂, it’s not a medium tank so don’t play it like one
fathom gulch
Buff Rhm plz
versed forum
Big question:
Is there anything the stb1 has that the m48 patton doesn't, other than the gun depression and the view range?
low helps, steep angles don't seem to help with the armor profile much.
The patton, for the record, also has great front hull armor.
Speed is not something the stb has more than the m48 does.
@winged barn
winged barn
Low and very steep angles troll a lot more shells than flat plates. Heat does not like angled armor. The stb also has a very nice speed.
The acceleration is far superior on the stb than on the M48. It is a fairly major difference between these two. The main trade between the two is hull armor for speed
neat crescent
Can we buff @orchid grove,this tank needs armor 🤔
unique scaffold
@pastel elk. Read the pinned messages
pastel elk
Sorry
hearty hawk
Buff AT2
kind swallow
Dont buff tanks in line to fv215b 183
People shouldnt go for this tank for sure
hearty hawk
@kind swallow that's for the devs to decide
next knot
@plucky spade the hellcat is good and even great if put in the right hands. It’s quirks and stats meet its historical equivalent
plucky spade
Not balanced at all when no upgrades indeed, not possible to move from base because of y5 fireflys already behind
calm pendant
Give StuG 3 G actually real armour plz
next knot
The reason why it has poor turret rotation is because the tank’s turret was hand cranked, and lacked hydraulic systems. Mastery of the hellcat relies on it’s use and adaptability to the battle field, such had pre-rotating the turret towards a target before attacking. And it’s speed is used to relocate to new positions with ease not skirmish and dance around like a light tank. (Also I have a personal preference on the cat, having gained 3 gun marks {which you need to score 97% more damage than all hellcat players to gain} on the hellcat on pc and having a 64% wr with around 500 battles on blitz)
crystal spoke
You can also play it like a turretless td and use the hull to aim quicker
next knot
I mean it’s main gimmick is the turret which gives it a whole lot of flexibility with a 90mm gun at tier 6
unique scaffold
plz WG nerf kv-1
bleak galleon
Pls gibb amx elc bis 90mm gun
shy wren
@obtuse obsidian report it on WG Support via a ticket
thick rover
I don't think you should balance tanks in a line based on tier x but rather individually at each tier -_-
@versed forum What do you mean good hull armor? For flat surface brawling or ridge hulldown
versed forum
@thick rover ridge hulldown
They're terrible on flat
thick rover
Makes sense
twin egret
Grille 15 Needs Armor Buff Grille 15 Needs Camo Buff
cosmic fiber
The credit deduction has to decrease when the tier gets higher
drowsy plaza
@cosmic fiber not a balance issue
cosmic fiber
but just my opinion
quick lichen
But just not in this channel
unique scaffold
Idk why you're crying just go and grind it
Haters who disliked, cry more pls
also go f yourself
neat crescent
😂
boreal burrow
With all the news tanks here, the German td line is becoming more and more useless, kinda like the deathstar line
thick rover
@boreal burrow Both?
indigo sorrel
Autoloader italian Tanks xDDD
void pewter
not what the channels is for, git out @azure bay
unique scaffold
This is a tank balance discussion channel, not a place where you complain about mm @azure bay
whole nebula
Hopefully they put the auto reloader onto the is3d like they did on pc. That will break tier 8 permanently
golden wasp
I think we should have SOME polish tanks in the game,since Italian tanks will be put in the game soon.
indigo meadow
But how would polish tank autoloaders be balanced?
latent crane
where did my comment go from last night
twilit crystal
Polish dont have autolpaders. They closer to America and Russian m8x
grave bear
add tankette CV35 as tier 1.
indigo knot
Buff Leo1 turret traverse and a bit of DPM
stoic acorn
Buff the charioteer
unique scaffold
Balance discussion doesn't mean: "Request which tank you want nerfed or buffed and we'll do it" 😑
placid raven
Bit of balance I’m concerned about, to me this feels like power creep. But with the fv4005 has three shells and a three second reload between shots, which is the same as the batchat, but the fv does more damage per shot and only takes I believe I’m not entirely sure two to four seconds longer to reload ? Yea the bc is fast and whatnot, it’s just a concern on my end, that a mobile auto loader can do the same thing but with more damage, idk I’m probably wrong though
nimble zodiac
I think you forgot what a TDs purpose is
red condor
A TD’s purpose is to deal heavy damage with the lack of sturdy armor and a turret.
nimble zodiac
Well some TDs have a turret and most are slow regardless of the armor. But you can’t argue a batchat should have the DPM of a tank destroyer. Batchat doesn’t need to do much damage, it has to point out enemy locations so the teammates (which you can’t seem to rely on anymore) can deal their damage to them.
drowsy plaza
Tank Destroyers where generally larger guns on either less armored or less mobile (and sometime both) systems.
Larger not necessarily being caliber - but generally longer shells that had more propellant-
Of course the majority of TD’s in game are entirely fictional.
indigo knot
@drowsy plaza which tier 10 Tds are not fictional
visual nimbus
AMX 50 Foch (155)?
Object 263 but I think that was an artillery piece. Can’t remember
median gust
Here comes the judgers
tall ocean
Please nerf the god damn Russian Tank destroyers
teal olive
Which ones? @tall ocean the 263 is super good at tier ten right now but wasn’t really TOO good like it used to be, the tanks before it (besides the OP 122 54) are pretty meh, and the Obj 268 line is pretty balanced besides the SU152
jade cargoBOT
AryaanSymistric#6999 has been warned.
drowsy plaza
@indigo knot pretty much anything past tier 7 is fictional or failed prototype.
unique scaffold
slim rivet
Please buff all tds. How do u want them to camp at spawn with those pour armor and dpm?
median gust
Good joke. Did you take it from WG's premium tank sales?
unborn vector
I miss the mods ;(
thick rover
Moderators?
Are you kidding me
unique scaffold
what's your thoughts on the vk72.01 tier 10?
neon robin
Hi
chilly turret
Howdy
ivory flint
In all honesty, I think the BC 25t could use some love. It's stats dont really line up to what its supposed to be. Its a light so shouldn't it have better viewrange, cammo, and over all maneuverability (in extange for having a worse gun) than the mediums it competes with?
WG really nailed the "worse gun" part. If you look at the raw numbers it's got DPM roughly equivalent to a Death Star, which mind you is more than enough, but in reality its way less reliable. The gun realitive to its caliber is lacking in penetration, slow to aim, and pretty inaccurate to boot.
Which would be acceptable untill you remember that the T62A exist which boast the same alpha damage (despite the BC carying à technically bigger gun) and comparable cammo values when stationary and after firing. Even when moving, the 62 doesn't fall too far behind the BC boasting a rating of 44 while moving (as written in the garage) compared to the B-C's 55. Apart from the T62 literally having 80% of the BC's cammo whilst moving, and having a better gun and better armor the 62 has quite literally more than double the crossing capacity of the Batchat. The only thing stop g it from being technically faster than the frenchie is that it lags behind in the Power to weight department and it's top speed is capped off at 56 kph. Which is only 9 slower than the B-C.
dense walrus
yep basically this (but what is this bs 10min slo mode ffs)
ivory flint
So at least you can run away right? Nope. The Leopard 1 exist. For all intensive purposes it's just as fast as the Batchat is, has almost as much DPM as the T62, and has better vision then the batchat. If a Leo sees a Batchat, ita game over, there's no running, no hiding, and no fighting back. Not with out help. The Leo will get you its just a question of how far they're willing to drive , and how many hit points they're willing to trade for a kill.
I can already hear the argument "the Batchat a light, its not supposed to fight mediums directly" and you're absolutely right, so how does it deal with them when all of them except the OBJ.140, T62A, E50m, and WZ 121 (which the BC meerly ties with) have better viewrange than it? Or when the lower-slung ones boast similar cammo statistics, or when others boast similar armor but much better guns and similar mobility?
Its supposted to be a scout but there are mediums that can do roughly 80-90 percent of the scouting job the B-C was "built for" while having 110-130 percent of the Batchat's combat capacity. "Why plat the batchat as a scout when you could just use the T26A and do the same thing but with better armor and a better gun?
Imho the Batchat just gets forced out of it's niche.
nimble zodiac
You must sacrifice a lot to have an excessive ability. Like having no armor to accumulate high speeds
visual nimbus
Feel the BC deals with TDs and Heavies so much better than mediums. Mostly use it for long range flanking, CQB and reconnaissance. 🤷🏻♂️
harsh ravine
Conqueror needs a turret buff change my mind. Thing is a poor man's Conway forced to be in the frontlines
ivory flint
@visual nimbus Problem is it exist at tier ten while the Amx 13-90 has the exact same cammo numbers at tier 8. At 10, where most tanks have in excess of 280 meters view range completely kitted out, even the TD's can locate their own targets if they're careful about it. You're pretty likely to get spotted along the way only to promptly get intercepted by mediums or a stray AMX 50 B. Plus "Improved Control" exist which makes COD-ing any heavy that's not German more of a hastle than it should be also the Batchat can't perma-track them because it's got an autoloader. Plus, its distinct lack of pen and accuracy combine to make it super unreliable at long range (at least in my experience). It's forced into aiming for weakspots that, at that range, it simply can't hit it kinda doesn't work unless RNGesus is your friend. Also like I pointed out, other tanks (mediums) can do most of it's recon job while also being able to jockey for map control much more effectively than the batchat can.
nimble zodiac
Bat Chat is not for map control. Their teammates (likely TDs) are. Bat Chat is a scout, don’t try to deal damage unless you’re SURE you won’t get spotted. You spot. You hide. You flank.
thick rover
Lol yep @harsh ravine
You don't look at the batchat being a light and saying it deserves all the stuff a light has when it has medium armour and is not that easy to HE (when it's suppose to be light) with all that angles. The Batchat can definitely outrun a Leo and brawl again once reloaded as long the obstacles around it are made use of. Maybe the Batchat was made for scouting and flanking and not that good for sniping idk it's more of a "hey I'm behind your ass and I'm gonna unleash a clip into it" kind of tank? At least IMO it's balanced
true wedge
The IS-8 needs an armor buff because the pike nose and turret armor are basically nonexistent and the only thing going for the IS-8 is just the gun and the speed making it a slower medium with horrific armor and not great acceleration
ivory flint
Clarification: I never said it was for map control, I did however say it was for scouting. Its problem is that there are tanks that can do most of its scouting job while also being able to fight for map control. Thus, the batchat is somewhat obsolete because a Leo or something could fill it's scouting boots pretty well but also bring a better gun into the mix to pose a more significant threat to anything wishing to oppose it.
Its worthy to note that the Leo and Bat share a top speed and while the bat has better P/W ratio, the Leo has significntly better crossing capacity to make up for it. They aren't equals in acceleration, but they are certainly equals in speed which are technicaly two different things. Also the Leo can see significantly farther than a batchat so it has no significant issues keeping it in visual range and pegging it from a whatever distance the batchat tries to escape to.
Also in terms of flanking, its got the cammo of a tier 8 tank at tier ten where everything has comparitavely more viewrange due to the increase in tier. Making the jump from 8 to 10, its cammo doesn't get any better but the current of its competition does. Its pretty likely to get spotted mid flank and thus be forced to turn around and do something else or expect all the TDs to be wise to it's existance.
It doesn't need a major over-haul, just some quality of life buffs so it can actually fit into its niche.
winged barn
It fits into the hit and run category quite well. It offloads 930 damage, turns all turrets it's way, and then runs off into the sunset while its team shoots the distracted noobs.
scarlet cargo
Hi
thick rover
How are the Leo and Batchat equals in speed taking into account p/w ratio and resistance the BC can still outrun it, the difference in viewrange is 5 metres and why can't you run away spotted by turning round corners or obstacles. The Batchat can go long routes utilising the mobility it is blessed.
Ultimately if you are pushing for little buff perhaps it can be considered and understandable
indigo knot
Batchat is way better than Leo1 ...and talking about spotting camo rating also plays a role when you spot....for a clipper it has more than enough DPM and pen nos. (Cal shell hardly affect dpm nos in auto).... mobility is best at tier 10....and camo ratings are one of the best at tier 10
ivory flint
@thick rover Speed: how fast the tank can move given time to accelerate and a reasonable path to drive upon. Give both tanks time to acclerate and both will cap at 65 kph. Acceleration: the rate at which a tanks speed changes when it goes from a stand still to full pelt. Also I literally said: the batchat has a better (but not by much) ratio while the leo makes up for it with better terrain resistances. Geez. The Leo might not be right next to the BC at all times, but the Leo can stay close enough to keep the batchat spotted. Which defeats the purpose of special light tank cammo. Also the Leo is a much more stable gun platform so trying to win a "police chase" as a BC with a Leo on your is much more daunting than most give it credit for. Also, the Leo keeping you spotted makes you am easy target for any intervening TDs. Also to your comment about HE; the Batchat has 60mm of nominal armor thickness at best and is only "well armored" because it's hull is well angled. If you want to HE it, aim for the turret, at it's thickest its 50mm nominally and has much shallower angles than the hull.
limber charm
Hey may i talk about glitch?
thick rover
That's assuming they are what on a airport runway that goes forever and is straight? You can easily gain distance with corners and obstacles in a BC. Like I said Batchat actually has armour while Leo doesn't and you can't repeatedly put shots after every reload when it turns round corners and stuff while Batchat can unleash the full clip at once. The whole tank can't be reliably HE'd with all the wiggling and running. jeEeEzzez
@limber charm Glitch in other channels
winged barn
You can also lead this leopard that is blindly following you straight to the guns of your TDs
ivory flint
@thick rover @winged barn Corners and obstacles slow the Batchatillion just as much as they do the Leo. Actually the leopard has nominally better effective P/w ratios because it's groundresistances are .6, .7, and 1.0 compared to the Batchat's .9, 1.1, and 1.5. The engine power to weight ratios are 23.03 and 31.83 respectively so when the game does all the math, the Leo is technically a more mobile tank barring the fact the the Batchat has better traverse. Please do some research before acting like I'm the stubborn one. (Dont believe me, the garage shows the Leo having much better crossing capacity and Blitzstars tank compare is where I'm puing all numbers not in the garage from)
While leading a dummy into tds if fun, usually they're not paying attention and thus youre inadvertently left to your own devices. Relying on teammates to fight all your battles for you isn't sustainable.
And while the autoloader may seem a great advantage in a fight, because the Leo has higher alpha per shot, it can just trade the batchat 1-for-1 untill its clip runs dry then terrorize it durring its 14 second long magizene reload.
humble spear
The BC-25t is classified as a light tank, and as a result doesn't lose camo rating when on the move. It's also pretty small to boot
winged barn
The better traverse gives the bc much better cornering, and when all the tds light up because they weren't paying attention, they tend to look around. The light tank is a very team based tank. Meatshielding a nearby medium is also a very doable action when you come across the big scary mediums of the other team. Sometimes you do need to use your teammates even if they are incompetent
thick rover
Funny I don't know how I acted as if you're the stubborn one. We are both merely providing input for the devs to consider and for the benefit of the community. How the P/W ratio compensates for terrain resistance is a grey area that can only be seen in practical test I presume. So you pulling out numbers on paper doesn't do much to justify your point of "Leo being more mobile" lmao.
The Batchat can unleash a clip into the Leo and run off and the leo may not necessarily be able to put a majority of the shots into the BC with the Batchat running with that kind of mobility and the Batchat can "terrorize" it with a burst of damage before running away with the Leo not being able to get back all of the hp
Ultimately it's everyone up to his/her own views and I won't pursue this discussion anymore but thank you for your views
jovial patio
Raik coming in for the kill
white vessel
Farm camp with everything
quick crown
Tier 4 heavies shouldn't be matched with Tier 5 heavies
void pewter
that's like saying you don't like tank variation at all, or you are trolling
unique scaffold
What have I just read? 🤦
elfin marlin
Wyoming06 has a point in Some way. Mathilda tier 4 is useless against tier 5. Mathilda deals out 40-45 dmg per shot and gets back 120-160 dmg. Also it struggles to pen a kV-1, kV-1s and kV-220
nimble dragon
🧐
mint fable
Guys is the tiger best line or the panther line
grave bear
@mint fable panther 1 then go to tiger 2 and panther 2
jade cargoBOT
Tamerlan28#2209 has been warned.
median gust
@true wedge IS8 is really good.. More of a medium. With it's good DPM, hide behind german heavies (Maus, E100) and farm the eneimes after they have shot
subtle egret
useless avatars
unique scaffold
@subtle egret What does your dislike of avatars have to do with balance?
golden wasp
Is there going to be a 4th of July event?
crystal spoke
Not sure but I hope so
(They'll almost certainly sell the 1776s)
unique scaffold
salu
golden wasp
Yeah same, I am also wondering if I should get the IS 6 or the Löwe. can someone help me decide which one I should buy?
slim rivet
Lowe. Is6 used to be good with it’s MM (and it’s still ok) but Lowe is clearly better @golden wasp
grave bear
get lowe but lowe is boring, i prefer is6.
@golden wasp works the same for any existing tank of the game.
you need to buy the 2nd gun of is-6 (100xp) and will be elited.
with gold u'll be able to convert xp into free xp, like lowe
is6 is way harder to drive tho, lowe easier to bounce and to shoot with
golden wasp
Thanks alot for the advice,I really appreciate it!
harsh smelt
Is modding wotb legal? Will I get banned by modding?
shy wren
If it’s just cosmetic purposes, it’s fine. Just don’t do anything like an aimbot or something like that
wraith barn
I have a question. Which X-level bonus does not earn the most?
grave bear
@wraith barn ??? wdym
wraith barn
@grave bear ???
desert pasture
Will matchmaker be changing in the near future or is that beyond the developers capabilities?
grave bear
@desert pasture whats wrong with mm, they dont let u win even if u play bad?
and anyway, this channel is not for mm swearing
jade cargoBOT
f1re5ar#4277 has been warned.
drowsy plaza
This channel is for Tank Balance Discussion. Anything else isn’t desired or tolerated.
desert pasture
I get the message when one person tells me but thx for clarifying 😉 Its interesting to see how much of a concern small detail is to developers outside of the game instead of focusing on actual problems like the influx of noobs rocking 40% corrupting game play but alright @SToXC it’s cause I’m bad...
grave bear
Just for saying, if there are 60% ers its thanks to 40%ers, but hey, if u want an unnatural matchmaking that turns every player into a 50%er, its your choice
in other words... if u win battles, its because there are other players losing battles... its just logic math
wet quail
Lowe is miles better than is6 now, crazy how it used to be the other way around
desert hamlet
The playstyle and strengths of different tanks vary. That's why you have different tank types.. Then why do all tank types have same assessment ratios? Light tanks without doing much get high XP bcoz of early spotting due to their mobility and TD even after very high damage carries do not get enough XP compared to the other tanks who might have just camped or hid all game performing in a very mediocre way?
past cape
@grave bear that only works if it's the same people playing against the same people all the time...
smoky cosmos
What's the bad outcome of a platoon of three of the same tanks in a battle?
unique scaffold
🤦
meager spruce
Let's think about it for a second. 3 people in a 7man team working in complete sync...lets see hmmm... doesn't it seem a bit unfair. Whichever platoon is.better wins the game. If you get stuck with a platoon of inexperienced players who don't even know how to communicate and on the enemy are three 55+ players working in synergy. Which one do you think will win?
unique scaffold
3 wz120's in a toon
grizzled sleet
^
molten trench
Lmao trueee
crystal spoke
Or 3 togs
drowsy plaza
@smoky cosmos WOWSB allows 3 man ‘divisions’. It’s crazy broken.
grave bear
wowsb is trash, u can also be in 3 tier 6 + 1 tier 7 ship vs 4 tier 7 ships + 1 platoon (and no toon in your team)
unique scaffold
No no no yall are all wrong
tropic shadow
Can we get an april fools gamemode with high speed tog II?
pseudo stream
TOG II Defender @tropic shadow
tropic shadow
@pseudo stream
unique scaffold
Its world of wombats blitz
harsh smelt
Guys I think T110E4's hatch needs some buff on the armour, just simply compare it to E3, I think the penalty on the gun depression and hull armour is enough to compensate the advantage of having a turret.
wheat ferry
Gun depression?
fiery flame
@harsh smelt the e3 and e4 have completely different play styles
stoic light
The e4 could use some sort of buff
fallow shore
Nerf the charioteer? It’s ridiculously easy to get 5k dmg in it, sometimes.
clever void
I’d very much appreciate it if WGing left that tank as it is. Those that think its overpowering should just play it themselves
unique scaffold
What do you guys think about the Vk72.01 Tier 10?
harsh smelt
@fiery flame it's true but even t30 has a better armour profile than E4
noble burrow
Which is better to get next from the T-34, the T-34-85? Or MT-25?
crystal spoke
Depends on your preference
grave bear
@harsh smelt compare it to e100. Te4's turret cupola is the only thing not making it just a better e100 in everything except side armor...
unique scaffold
@noble burrow if you want a straight up answer the maxed mt-25 is awesome
noble burrow
Ok, I'm just wondering as an "invest in the future" type of aspect
winged barn
T3485 is a solid medium.
noble burrow
Thanks for the input, I think I'm going to go with the T3485, I love my T34 and how it plays, and the 85 shouldn't be much different , right?
stoic light
they are totally diff types of tanks
worthy fog
Panther is power creeped.. it should get 12 degrees of gun depression to balance it out
drowsy plaza
Lol. Panther is fine. But the Panther 2 needs some love.
neat crescent
Panther is ok but panther II is really not feeling the love
grave bear
panther 2 needs some löwe
violet sonnet
Give it actual upper plate armor
mighty spear
I think the Leo pta is underpowered. If it had same 9 degrees of gun dp like Leo 1 it would be balanced. Tanks like the e50 have 8, the centurion has 10, the amx t9 med has 10 whilst the pta has only 6? Do you see where I am getting at?
tiny solstice
I have leo 1 and actually I didn't notice that as a big problem in PTA. at least I could get along with that
fiery flame
Leo pta is very very good if you know how to play it @mighty spear its a difficult tank to play but very rewarding
obtuse obsidian
Please help
obtuse obsidian
Help?
quartz steeple
@void pewter ikr
thick rover
Ahahaha
unique scaffold
WG should fix this please. SAME turret model, and why different rear turret armor??? It's unfair towards the EXP variant, and it's not a rare occurrence I get shot in that point while i am shotting a tank and another snipes me from opposite direction, even if my chassis is protected from terrain
frank urchin
Anyone here?
pearl bone
guys
compact trout
Hello?
fringe summit
@unique scaffold The tier 7 was too heavy at its front so there had to be some extra weight at the back. They placed some extra armor there to make the tank not falling. This wasn’t the case for EXP.
@unique scaffold The EXP has a stronger frontal armor. Unlike the tier 7 its armour is ticker at the front and sloped as well. This makes the full a better tank platform for the turret. It didn’t need the extra weight on the back of the turret. This is also something the T34 has on its turret.
unique scaffold
@fringe summit thanks for the explanation
grave bear
actually flaweless explanation ;)
neat crescent
👀 👍
vagrant stirrup
Hey devs I know this isn't the right place to talk about this but I have a camouflage suggestion for a tank that I'd like to see in future updates. It's a tank camouflage for the tier IX researchable Soviet medium tank T-54 based on a real life T-54 at Independence Palace in Saigon,Vietnam. I have included two pictures for reference. I'd be very happy if you had it in the game.
rancid orchid
That looks like the T-55A to me
hearty hawk
@unique scaffold I think it's fine, just play it better, also buff tortoise by removing cupola, remember everyone it's called flanking a tank
brittle flax
The tortoise would be unbalanced then...
jade cargoBOT
Aurocia#8564 has been warned.
thick rover
Oops my bad
plucky spade
@lucid yoke jesteś?
blissful lily
May my friend talk to the dev
unique scaffold
@fringe summit I am ok with your explanation but I am not sure it's anyway fair, because yes, the EXP has the sloped armor, but in numbers that is exactly the same in thickness as the Tier 7 variant, and the 120 mm should justify a balanced armor weight more in the EXP than the Tier 7 counterpart with the 105 mm
fringe summit
@unique scaffold It's called WG logic.
I also found something else cool. EXP has 191mm upper deck which you will see as 600mm. M6 tier7 has only 25mm which will go up to 75mm at its best on the upper deck
nimble zodiac
Why would you expect your rear turret to be good
grave bear
@unique scaffold M6 exp has way better effective frontal hull than m6
true wedge
nerf WZ-120-1G FT no less no more nearly everyone wants a nerf to that thing
meager spruce
The tanks that need nerfs are IS4, E50M, WZ120gft, Smasher. We all know they are OP but WG won't do anything about them
smoky cosmos
@drowsy plaza three of any tank on the battle grounds will lead to chaos
kind swallow
E50m isnt really op for me
indigo knot
E50m is low key OP .....it doesn't define meta like Is4 does or 140s did
tacit surge
Is4 is op?
drowsy plaza
I’d buff the other mediums.
The IS-4 is very powerful. It was my first tier X over 60% - before the buff.
dreamy crest
They need to buff Rhm
drowsy plaza
While the E50M is easy to over perform other mediums currently - I think all the other Meds (okay maybe not the T-22 and 121B) are due a buff rather than a nerf to the 50M.
kind swallow
E50m is really nice, but for sure its downplate is sooo big, man
Dpm is also kinda bad
And it turn slowly
Btw I love this tank
dusky oxide
The dpm is fine, it turns a bit slower than other meds but has an impressive p/w and can ram stuff. You cant complain about the lower plate when the upper plate is that good. It really bullues other meds with relative ease and doesnt lose much flexibility when it comes to fighting against other classes.
white pebble
I wouldn't completely agree on that an OP upper plate makes it so you shouldn't complain the lower plate is too weak.
I mean: I could also make a tank and make the right half have 400mm of armor and the left half have 10mm, and then that 400mm won't make up for the 10 mm that the other side has because it is very easy to just aim for the obvious weak spot then.
Although this might be a quite radical comparison, this is something that should be kept in mind.
Another tank I think the same point applies to is the Mäuschen. It has some of the best turret armor for any tank at that tier, yet it is easily damaged because of the big cupola that sticks out above it. This is often hard to hide and wiggling your turret exposes many other weak spots and is too slow to really make a difference. In a meta that is filled with many IS-x tanks, it is often hard to do anything in an over-a-hill-shooting fight, because they can easily penetrate while having almost no weaknesses in their own turrets.
I'm not saying the Mäuschen is a bad tank, I manage 2k damage in a good match, but that cupola might be a little too big for what this rank is supposed to be: an fully armored tank.
distant river
What tends to happen with tank that has large weakspots but strong everything else is that they have a higher skill ceiling. Great players can hide lower plates and can make cupolas useless. Obviously most players cannot do this consistently and well, but it creates a huge challenge for balencing as it has both very high and probably very low stats.
violet sonnet
Weak spots are important in balancing heavily armored tanks. Trend has always been of putting a cupola on top of German/ American heavy that can be damaged. But for some reason Russian heavies like IS4-IS7 turrets look like they are made for blitz lol.. just no weaknesses.. IS4 use to have turret roof overmatch but they buff that too... with front armor good as it is now, its never been a tank which has decent speed/good gun with god’s HEAT/ and perfect profile, to stay this for long time.
indigo knot
There are many low key OP tanks at tier 10(just what I think) obj263 E3 Maus wz113 E50m Obj268....they are better than most of there counterparts in a way or another....
dusky oxide
Lower glacis is the easiest thing to hide. Either with terrain or by facehugging. Additionally, theres no other (at least a balanced one) med at t10 that can do it as well as the e50m.
indigo knot
Hide the hull farm like a boss....62a 121b T22
unborn vector
Dang....long bull stuff...
jade cargoBOT
Ms Dee#4356 has been warned.
visual nimbus
🤔
drowsy plaza
You can’t complain about the E50M lower plate - it’s a medium it’s lower plate is still significantly better than nearly all others
naive hollow
Tem algum BR?
unborn vector
Off topic..
Kk
Anybody like the Matilda...?
unique scaffold
How to get 100,000 credits in one battle?
shy wren
Premium account + Epic Boosters + very good game in Lowe = 100k+
Better ask about that in #general-blitz-discussion @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
Should I use premium X tier tank and play rating battle and use all boosters possible? Or it's impossible?
By the way I would like to reach in few hours an 2M credits and 50K XP. I think it's impossible but I don't know :v
I really want to get my first Vll tier tank
I hope I will get reply/message back :)
unborn vector
I
visual nimbus
Matilda OP @unborn vector
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold ez
unique scaffold
or just be good
like really
extremely
Like the girls und panzer garage skin 😉♥️
vagrant stirrup
The T-44 needs a bit of buff on armor
unique scaffold
so, in order to get more than 100k per battle:
- have Premium time
- have confidence that you can do it, toxicity like my teams are 'not good' blocks your concentration
- drive a premium, usually a hightier will do more thanks to more dmg you can farm which give you more credits than the lower tiers
- Ace it! but not like usual ace, no you have to Ace the hecc outta the aces! Seriously, be goddamm good. Use your daily 5 ESL-minutes if you can
- Creditboosters can help - in my screens I had none tbf, but it can make it easier to get over 100k
- take events serious and try to catch bonus times like birthdays
errant warren
If You want to grind credits you should use premium Time certificates and play a premium tank u enjoy playing The most. And remember that If it isn't fun just take a break. Having fun is the main reason you probaply started playing this game. Don't forget that. @unique scaffold
slim rivet
And play a tier 10 premium tank before playing tiers 7,8,9 @unique scaffold
muted chasm
I bought this tank and I end up fighting in a bucket too slow low damage and low defense
sly bear
cool
distant river
@muted chasm you bought it, you had many chances to see how good/bad it is, its your fault so stop complaining
violet sonnet
U have picked up an odd item. Keep it clean and it will give u memes
gray aspen
hi
nimble zodiac
@muted chasm TOG is meant to fire quick, and take hits. Not meant to be fast or armored as large as it is. You really gotta study tanks. It’s half the game. But I would appreciate a slight buff in speed because I wanna get shot : P
gritty terrace
Tru
unique scaffold
@uncut hamlet read the pinned messages
dim field
TOG is one of the few tanks that can take a max roll from a kv-2 and still have plenty of hp left over
wet quail
Tog op
thick rover
- tier 6 heavies equipment buff
grave bear
@shy wren well with that setup i can get 150k+
(but without Epic credit booster)
deft owl
Buff t67
thick rover
Have you read pinned messages? Don't talk about matchmaking here dude, if you want go to general blitz discussion or something this channel is for tank balance...
unique scaffold
@uncut hamlet once again read the pinned messages
quick lichen
If I had a dollar for every time someone complained about match making...
crystal spoke
Even a quarter would make us all rich
indigo knot
I could buy T22 with that when it comes ....
hollow locust
If I had a dollar for everytime wg listens to actual players output
quick lichen
But they do
ivory flint
So, apparently the Italian Mediums are coming next, and from all the screen shots and promo videos I've does the tier ten appears to only have a 3 shot "auto-re-loader". I get that it's a new mechanic that could be tough to balance if it had 4 a four shell magizene like it does on PC, but I'm starting to get bored of Blitz's generic 3 shot autoloaders. Especially when they all have around the same intra-clip reload of somewhere in between 2 and 3 seconds. I like how on PC each nation with A.Ls have their own "flavor" of them. (Ex: French have really big clips, low dpm and take a while to unload and reload while Americans have smaller clips that unload and reload faster.) It'd be nice if some of that flavor could come to blitz.
distant river
Blitz≠wot PC
ivory flint
Never said it was, I used PC as a comparison because blitz is based on PC thus the games have similar mechanics. I'm not wishing for blitz to become PC; I'm commenting on how standardized autoloaders are in this game and how borring they can be to play at times since there's hardly any variance between autoloading guns across similar tank types at similar tiers. Last I checked, that's something that can be discussed.
fiery turtle
The Challenger needs buffs.
The whole reason behind the big stock turret was that it had 2 loaders, not 1 - so there's no reason why a Challenger with the stock turret should not have the same rate of fire with the 17-pounder as the AT 7 does (15.72 with no provisions or equipment.)
The Avenger top turret should not receive a rate of fire buff (because it only had 1 loader).
But it should have a camo rating buff, because the height of the turret was actually lower - the top part being an open framework (only covered by canvas when it was raining). I'd suggest 30/20 still/moving, and 10/6 after firing. Close to the Jackson.
ivory flint
I thought the challenger was fine. Sure it's got a fat head, but all the British turreted TDs do it something you have to deal with when playing the line. It's got monster pen with good accuracy and workable dpm on top of being fast (albeit slow to turn) and having 10 degrees of gun depression. I thought the cammo was fine, especially if you run cammo net and chill in a bush.
harsh rock
Anybody else think the kv1s could use a buff in the reload time. Like 1 to 2 seconds
ivory flint
Nah not really. It's speedy for a heavy and deletes half the HP of whatever unlucky tier 6 it comes across. Just play "peek-a-boom" and or sidescrape your life away and you'll probably be Okay as long as you don't miss.
drowsy plaza
@ivory flint Challenger is mediocrity incarnate.
golden wasp
How long is the reload on the t 34. I forgot .-.
drowsy plaza
It statistically under performs for me, In 110 games I have a 64% WR in it, but a dreadful 1,376 avg dmg. It isn’t awful, it’s just not good.
novel elk
Tell me what Tier 7 TD isnt better? Even Blaze WZ and the AMX AC46 are more useful. The DPM on the Challenger is just tragic for a TD. Even Heavies get similar DPM or higher. In my opinion the Challenger is the worst Tier 7 tank.
I did better in it. The Emil is very situational but it can shine in certain scenarios, especially since they buffed the front. The Challenger doesnt shine. Ever. The only thing that makes it remotely interesting is its speed boost. But having such a lackluster ability to dish out damage is simply too much of a burden.
orchid grove
@ivory flint I feel that autoloader sentiment. IMO the way autoloaders should be balanced is WG should just translate PC stats to Blitz. In the same way that 750 alpha guns on PC are translated to 640 on Blitz, 5/6 shell autoloaders should be 4 on Blitz, 4 shell autoloaders should be 3 on Blitz, and 3 shell autoloaders should be 2 for Blitz. As for interclip; 3.0s should be 3.33 on Blitz, 2.5/2.7 should be 3.0s for Blitz, and 2.0s should be 2.5s for Blitz
teal olive
I hope Czech tier ten is a three clip with 2.0 seconds intraclip with short reload. And then batchat gets four shells with same alpha but longer intraclip and reload
ivory flint
@teal olive agreed. Their whole stick is having a tiny magizene that unloads quickly and accurately in comparison to most other autoloaders. If they give the Czechoslovakian's generic unload speeds and burst damage potential it'll make the entire techtree redundant.
@orchid grove I'm not sure I agree with your description of unload speeds; blitz is smaller and generally autoloaders need space and hard cover to be successful. Making every autoloader take super long to unload might nerf them all way too hard; it already takes a Lorraine a whole 7.5 seconds to do it's 900 damage withvwhat you describe it would now take it 9. Seven-and-a-half seconds is already a pretty long time in blitz long enough that I think I can say "anyone who lets a Lorraine shoot at them uninterrupted for that long needs a crash course in how to not loose HP" But I do like your notion of seeing bigger magazines in blitz. The only autoloadering gun in the game that has more than three shells that aren't autocannons or included in tanks as jokes to my knowledge is the Lorraine with 4 shells: a whopping one more than the average. I hope WG's note about adding a 4th shell to the einyre Batchat branch goes through it would make them more interesting to play imo.
drowsy plaza
While I agree, remember the AMX 50 B nerf. Unicum toons rolling around clipping folks out.... major complaints- tank nerfed.
*by major complaints I mean some folks whined to WG
If it has 950 avg dmg /clip a toon can clip a red med in seconds. I don’t disagree with you - but just looking back to what’s been done to tanks previously
ivory flint
@drowsy plaza you're certainly not incorrect, but:
- any pair of unicums can take any pair of tanks and make them seem O.P
- you're comparing a previously op heavy with a much bigger gun to a medium that has a 100mm cannon.
The TVP 50/51 (Czech tier X medium) only has a 4 shot clip 310-ish alpha on PC. It'll likey get nerfed down to 3 shells so I see no reason why it's unload speed can't rest at it's current 1.8 or if it gets dumed down to blitz standards 2.0 seconds. The small intra-clip reload is really what makes the tank unique so I hope that characteristic gets retained when it jumps to blitz.
Side note: I'm not sure if the 50 b was all that OP but remember it being way better than the T57 when it came to the game. Granted the 57 sucked but the 50 b was probably overcooked too.
Side-side note: What is this ten minute slow mode? How does anything get "discussed" at the exhilarating speed of one message every ten minutes?
unique scaffold
On a different topic, I feel that the Pershing could use a little love
Having the second worse DPM of the tech tree meds, sub par mobility, and atrocious dispersion hurt it so much that even a majority of premium mediums do better off than it, even the bloody Super Pershing has better gun stats, save for the dispersion).
Not saying it needs major buffs, but a little something to those areas where it falls behind would help bridge the gap it has between the other tech tree tanks without sacrificing its major strengths and weaknesses
drowsy plaza
It will be interesting to see the Alpha. As 100mm soviet block guns range from 280-310 avg
@unique scaffold most tech tree 8 Meds need love
@ivory flint 10 min slow mode /cool down was implemented to make posters make concise and logical arguments. It also allows WG to digest easier.
ivory flint
@drowsy plaza You know what would be intresting: a 50 B with a fourth shell. I personally think that the 57 is Sort of a better "general purpose tank" meaning that unless I'm running from "point A to point B" I'd almost always pick the T57 over the AMX 50-B. It's not like the 50-B needs any buffs at all but purely for the sake of variety since it's kinda just a "fast T57" It'd be kinda cool to test a version of it that was capable of unloading 1600 damage in 9 seconds and then probably reloading for 30-ish. I don't know how it would balance out seeing as how now you could delete most tier nine TD's in nine seconds but at the same time anyone who gets stuck infront of a 50-B for a consecutive nine seconds probably made a mistake worth punishing.
Side note: unicums in platoons would probably make it obnoxious: they could one clips Maus or E100 but a platoon of T57s can already do that anyways.
(Not saying this actually needs to happen, I just think It would be interesting to see)
Side-side note: okay the slow mode makes sense now
thick rover
@teal olive Don't think there will be Cezch vehicles tho, Pan-European tree consists of Polish, Swedes, Italians and Finnish if I'm not wrong
ivory flint
From over analyzing War Gaming's promo video of the up coming tier ten Italian medium tank, I can confirm that it's reload times are as follows:
Intra-clip: 3.0 seconds
When the magizene is empty: 8.1 seconds
When you have one shell in reserve: 6.7 seconds.
When you have 2 shells in reserve: 5.3 seconds.
The alpha per shot will most likely be 350.
This gives the tank:
1050 burst damage in 6 seconds.
3,962 DPM when it fires keeping 2 shells in reserve.
3,134 DPM when it fires keeping one shell in reserve.
2,592 DPM when it fires keeping no shells in reserve.
2,800 DPM when it fires strictly in 2-shot burst like a traditional autoloader.
2,413 DPM when it fires strictly in 3-shot burst like a traditional autoloader.
And the tank boast speeds of about 60-65 kph with acceleration comparable to the Leo-1.
The tank was never fired upon, but the hull appears to be very well angled and the turret may be able to shrug off hits from smaller guns.
Note: all statistics are subject to change.
wet nymph
waht is the difference between pz iv hydr and pz iv g???? iwant to know what is better since i think? pz iv hydr is way faster then the pz iv g
clever mauve
It is but the armor and gun depression are worse @wet nymph
crystal spoke
@wet nymph the hydro has a hydrostatic that allows it to go faster then the traditional one
The hydro was even a modified panzer iv g that was majorly damaged after some form of combat
hearty hawk
With the next update, add a way to veiw your tank without the interface
crystal spoke
Go to camos and press the four arrows and you can @hearty hawk
hearty hawk
Oh ok thanks
crystal spoke
Np it isnt perfect but its pretty close
kind sinew
Hi
uncut hamlet
@unique scaffold so where do we discuss the balance issues with match making? Thought it was a balance discussion channel. Let me know where I can pose a question and get an answer.
quick lichen
@uncut hamlet a different server
We’ve all hit a stretch of bad games. Most will blame match making instead of themselves. Regardless, no one wants to see people complain about it
uncut hamlet
Gee thanks for nothing . Wat an arrogant attitude. No probs. Later.
nimble zodiac
You’re basically getting the same matchmaking as everyone else. Don’t complain about matchmaking, complain to yourself about your teammates. Also is it me or Löwe is getting harder to use with the armor? Actually no need to buff it’s armor to TDs again, I’m fighting too many to understand how good it is
thick rover
Ignorant kiddo rip
dim field
Lowes might be getting harder to use because people are getting better at facing them given how common it is to face a lowe
white vessel
Whats wrong with the matchmaker
dim field
Nothing that i know of. Is it giving more higher tier tanks to one team?
flat bane
Hmm the only problem I have with it is that I'm constantly being upper-tier-ed. For the first 30 battles I played in the T7 Chinese td, I only saw T8s. Now I'm at the T8 variant, I only see T9s now. :/
dim field
I've had that as well. I think it comes down to old fashion rng in combination with the current people in que and the tank you're playing.
obtuse rover
Buff kpz 70 and make it a tier higher it's an MBT and I expect it to be strong cuz its better than the maus in real life but the kpz is good enough for me I have decent stats on it I just wanna see how it would go
jade cargoBOT
blikzemflitz#4763 was banned
dusky oxide
No :)
ancient palm
What did he do ?
desert pasture
If players go AFK they should receive a weeks ban like most other online games... and players with stupid win rates at 45% should be perma banned
gilded pivot
A) wrong chat... B) how can they help it if they have an emergency... (Example quick baby was forced to go afk becoz of a fire...)
jade cargoBOT
AdamantFox#4336 has been warned.
unique scaffold
@desert pasture
A. That has nothing to do with the purpose of this channel
B. Banning players with a 45% or less wr would eliminate around 40% of the playerbase. Like it or not those are paying players and getting rid of them would be bad for business and the game as a whole.
drowsy plaza
This channel is for Tank Balance Discussion
@obtuse rover It is a game you need to accept that semi-fictional WW2 era tanks are getting age linked with late 60’s tanks and some 70’s tanks come before then. It also have zero to do with balance.
gilded pivot
@desert pasture the mods don't work for WG either... So u can't yell at them for no reason...
BTW (u brought in the mechanic)
jade cargoBOT
f1re5ar#4277 has been warned.
unique scaffold
@desert pasture nobody is forcing you to be here. You are free to leave if you don't like it here.
jade cargoBOT
f1re5ar#4277 was muted
quick lichen
but it’s always been that way
unique scaffold
@pseudo stream read the pinned messages
indigo knot
In events like these I have seen many players just staying AFK to get XP for the M6 exp at tier 6 7 8 especially
white pebble
What exactly is the strength of the vk 45.02 ausf. A (the tier 8 tank)?
It has a pretty low dpm, at only 1454 with the best gun.
The penetration from the gun is pretty low for it's tier.
It doesn't have any significant hull armor. Pretty much any tank can penetrate it.
The turret armor is OK, but definitely not great and it is still pretty easily penetrated.
The tank has practically 0 armor on its sides.
It's speed is decent, but not great.
I don't see any statistic make up for the many disadvantages this tank has, like it's bad armor, especially seeing that it is a heavy tank in a line of very well armored vehicles.
drowsy plaza
It’s a slow medium. Play it like that it does great.
quartz steeple
winged barn
Don't have to worry about breaking you camo. It never activates
drowsy plaza
It is enormous
white pebble
@drowsy plaza How exactly would you play a slow medium? I don't seem to be able getting any good results with this tank.
Also, what is the main difference between playing heavy tanks (which are my favorite)?
unique scaffold
You should be bullying mediums
unique scaffold
hi
fringe summit
The EXP is even higher than the Maus though
stoic light
@white pebble the tank sucks, it’s hard to get any value out of it.
surreal geode
Jakiś Polak może jest na czacie?
unique scaffold
@surreal geode. English only please
nimble zodiac
Speaks Polish
white pebble
@stoic light Is it just me, or are there more German tanks that have many weak spots on every corner of the tank making it very hard to use the armor effectively (big cupola's, weak glacier plates, little side armor).
stoic light
@white pebble well yea a lot of German tanks have flaws but that’s what makes them balanced, the vk.a however, just straight up sucks.
nimble zodiac
VK A needs more armor, and I would be content with it as long as it proves versatile
surreal geode
Hahaha xD
pastel elk
Vk a is trash. All about it
unique scaffold
I honestly feel the VK 45.02 A's armor is fine, but that's also coming from someone who played it on PC years ago and even here on Blitz before it got it's own armor buff to its upper plate
The tank is a heavium, a far cry from the over buffed Tiger P before it, to the slower but more armored and methodical 45.02 B after it. However it's still a great tank to push into a medium flank with, the armor still holds up well and its HP also let's it wolf pack with other mediums well. Yes, TDs and Heavies will chew the 45 A up, but if any kind of buff were to come for it, I'd believe itd be more for its gun, ie. A small DPM buff, maybe a pen boost, or just a bit more accuracy
That said, I remember back in the day when its upper plate was only 100 mm thick and tier 7s didn't even have to really aim to pen them, so I have a lot more leniance with its armor now
jade cargoBOT
bubbavernon73#9574 has been warned.
kind swallow
Wz110 better
I played this tank only before nerf
But I think it is still far better than vk45.02a
unique scaffold
Yeah i also have a question what's the benefit of a TD vs a Heavy/Med
distant river
TDs tend to have better guns so can deal kore damage if used right
white pebble
TD's either are very accurate, or do a lot of single shot damage.
They also tend to have a high dpm and often above average penetration.
grave bear
@white pebble Lmao what are u saying ??? vk45a 1500 dpm?? lmao wtf gun are u using? it has bettwr dpm than amx m49
thick rover
Perhaps. I guess the bad gun depression is to balance its leo 1 mobility at that tier, and extremely good gun
queen mason
Yes but the pt a also gets ammoracked really commonly
unique scaffold
Devs how come I don’t have the July 4th tank and how do o get it
upbeat summit
Explain to me why my stock e50has to use apcr to pen the side of an e75
thick rover
Oof. @unique scaffold Pay for it?
worthy fog
Panther needs insane gun depression(around 15 lmao) to balance it out. Its wayyyy too below avg, really bad alpha, acceleration is too slow for a med, yet the armour is too thin for a heavy, and the body is huge.
@queen mason your best bet is sniping lol... cant bounce like an E50M, cant use terrain cus of gun dep. Might as well let the heavies take the hit
queen mason
I can’t figure out how to play the pt a, it’s difficult because of the gun depression and huge ass body.
deep pewter
Aaaaaaa
flat bane
Give JG PZ E100 more HE pen 👏 it's a 170mm cannon that has less HE pen then 150mm cannons 🤔
drowsy plaza
Panther is fine - it’s a second line med at the start of play. @queen mason PTA play is easy. Do not get hit ;). -6 degrees of gun depression is not unusable. Mobility makes it easy to work it.
nimble zodiac
- This is balance discussion. #vehicles-discussion will fit
- They’re collector tanks. You cannot find them anywhere unless you had them from the start (other than event tanks like Gravedigger)
thick rover
Are you stock or top modules
flat bane
Thank, it makes no sense that it has less HE pen then a 150mm cannons, considering it's a 170mm
unique scaffold
Yeah and t34 independence should have its camo as a lendendegery camo
dim field
The t34 independence is its own tank instead of being a camo because at the time of its release they would release special editions of tanks. Legendary camos weren't as big of a thing. Plus having 2 of the same tank means you can get twice the bonuses for it during event time.
gilded rune
so t34 and t34 independence are diffrent?
twin egret
They're the same but for one T34 you're able to put camo on it meanwhile for the other you can't
dim field
They count as two tanks, same stats, however like Super said one you can put different camos on
river portal
when we see wg remove the 183 because they cant balance it tank was op on damage and now its worst tier x to play
gilded pivot
Don't play it then
humble spear
They can't balance the 183 because it's practically impossible, removing it was the best option
quartz steeple
Yea but it still did 1780 dmg with hesh And fire to me while I was in an is 4 from frontal lower plate at a distance of 266m i think ...
twin egret
the 183 would be balanced once everyone knows how to not get shot by it, the FV 183 is just there to punish careless players tbh
river portal
@gilded pivot most smart anser ever in this game when you say this tank is bad a genuis with 1000IQ say dont play it then
@twin egret that true you get bad avg damage damage and worst wr at tier 10 with the 183 but still you punish some players so no one enjoy both 183 players or who play againste it
thick rover
Can the grille get HE buff to 75/80 certain tanks in its line have 75mm pen on 150mm guns while it only has 65. And most 150mm tanks at tier x have 80mm pen
mild kindle
also @thick rover 150mm on tier ten have 90mm HE pen except for grille
unique scaffold
@mild kindle read the pinned messages
jade cargoBOT
Maaz_winner#9149 has been warned.
unique scaffold
@boreal crag
Pinned messages
Read them
plush trellis
can chi to get a buff? Like it's a pain to grind it out to get chi ri. I already have chi ri. But chi to was just so annoying to grind. No armor, HE magnet. No speed. Mediocre gun. I'm not the only one that hated chi to
kind swallow
Chito is just worse versuon of y5 firefly
fringe summit
It's like a forgotten tank
drowsy plaza
Chi-To has a great gun. Second line support medium.
plush trellis
There is way better meds with good guns too. My point is. It just needs a buff, on those departments. At least a speed buff if they want to keep the toilet paper armor.
distant river
If it is not good or bad then why buff it? @plush trellis
grave bear
omg Chi To is so good that needs a nerf and u want a buff?... learn to use it really
drowsy plaza
ChiTo has great pen. And it’s Prammo doesn’t have nearly the alpha loss other tier 6 Meds do with Prammo
kind swallow
Who cares about pen loss?
On tier 6 u don't care about it, cos tier 7 HT have all crap armour, so nearly every standard ammo can pen it
So gold will easily go through
Chi to have nothing against other mediums
But still its tier 6, that is just boring
Wz120 needs buff
It's crap
In almost every way
My last battle on it was:
First shot I received was an ammorack
And then I said it perfectly describes this tank
plush trellis
@distant river Its not that good. It needs at least a speed buff
quartz steeple
And what bout wz121 ...
unique scaffold
It received some buffs and is now a very competative tank @quartz steeple
slim rivet
Yeah it’s so competitive that’s it’s the worst t10 med @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
It's really not a bad tank
distant river
@plush trellis If it is not great or terrible then it doest need a buff. If it is seriously over or under performing then it needs a buff/nerf. If you just dont like it being average then it does not need a buff @plush trellis
plush trellis
Like I say it's not good. It isnt super terrible but there is other meds to choose over for. And honestly its tier 6 :P so whatever. Just wanted share what my friends and I thought about it. But if it's fine like it is then ok. @distant river
unique scaffold
"Underperforming"
It's doing better than half the tier 10 meds...
121 is similar to a t62a, you just trade dpm for alpha, you just can't have both
Yes you have to play it more sensibly but it can definitely compete with other tanks
unique scaffold
Honestly surprised the 4202 is where it is on that graph
rocky ravine
Would be nice to see balance between control types. Such as a variable manual zoom feature for mobile players, setting up a shot without having to wait for a vehicle to cross reticle to activate zoom. Also, aim lock on pc is op. It’s tough to compete with a pc player that can cruise around the map at top speed (think Lttb) firing on the reload and hitting most shots, without having to operate turret while also driving circles around mobile players because of auto aim lock.
gilded pivot
@unique scaffold do u have the tier 8 graph?
unique scaffold
@gilded pivot Also check out #devs-answers
They post them there
naive hollow
Oi
gilded pivot
@unique scaffold thanks, I'd forgotten where they were posted
fringe summit
Indeed they have like 6 channels for random news
indigo knot
I would love 121b getting module buff....less ammo rack damage and chance of fire buff
gilded pivot
I think the AMX AC 48 needs a drive wheel armour buff...
kind swallow
Wz121 is really nice tank, I love it
wet quail
Why don’t they show the Wz120ft in the average tank performance statistics?
unique scaffold
Because a tank has to have a certain % of players to make the list.
smoky yoke
So most popular tanks then? @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
Has to make up more than 1% of battles played to make the list.
atomic lodge
Is it really that rare ?
unique scaffold
¯_(ツ)_/¯
indigo knot
I don't now it is ...lot of them were bought when on sale recently
wet quail
I feel it’s a tank wg are too embarrassed to show lol like the ke ni otsu and smasher
unique scaffold
Keep in mind those are stats from update 5.10
drowsy plaza
I suspect with the recent sale that the next update of the balance charts will have it. You can’t swing a dead cat without tuning into a few.
teal olive
@drowsy plaza I’m Betting they wont put it on there. Like @wet quail said, WG really doesn’t want to show how broken it is.
wet quail
Exactly, if they where to put it on there the average probably wouldn’t fit on the chart 😂
bronze zealot
I think the T95E2 should have the same turret Amor thickness as the TYPE 59 pattob
drowsy plaza
The T95EPoo needs a lot of things
sly vessel
Get rid of all med hatches. 😬
brave spear
KV-5 should have a 400 dmg gun
red condor
^
thorny glen
Hey, I know I’m new to the discord, but could you please make the JPanther 2’s front armor thicker than 2 sheets of paper, and if you want to balance it out, are the TD go slower.
nimble zodiac
The JPanther II is a great TD, the superstructure is strong, it’s cruising in speed. The DPM is great. Why should a TD need armor when it’s sitting back behind a team firing away
dry lily
Thats a fact
teal olive
Jpanther 2 is like a balanced WZ 120 G FT
crystal spoke
But taller
indigo knot
I still prefer Jp2 or Wz111-1gft over Wz120gft.....128mm guns ....I love them at this tier(good accuracy, not too big aim time, HE alpha, i kinda feel I get more high rolls in them that 120mm)
dim field
Jp2's armor can be troll if you use that slope right
drifting depot
In my opinion, at 2 has a really huge amount of armor for a tier 5 tank buster, it even defeats a kv1 man, come on, and kv2 can one shot most tier 5 tanks so there's not a point in downgrading his reload speed
white pebble
@drifting depot It might have a bunch of armor on the front, but that is compensated by the low speed and week side/rear.
vagrant stirrup
WG how about adding a duck camouflage for AMX-40😂 😂 😂
deft owl
buff t67
unique scaffold
bring back the old "collector" tanks
i dont seal club, but the game feels very weird without them
dense glade
Hello there ,I was thinking. Buffing the tier 8 gun of t-44 (122mm D-25-44) by giving it a 10-12 sec reload.would help it from overcoming it's powercreep. :)
copper osprey
Please prolong reload time of Charioteer .
novel elk
@dense glade just dont use the 122mm
dense glade
@novel elk it should be there for a reason.
novel elk
Yes, its there so players who dont see how much better the 100mm is get punished for their ignorance @dense glade
ripe oasis
I just looked at it, why is the 120mm on the t44 19 seconds
empty ice
Stock crew
dense glade
@ripe oasis it's 16.5 at 100crew with gun rammer
ripe oasis
Oh, well that's still gross.
My t34-2s reload on the 120 is 12.7 seconds
unique scaffold
If you want a 400 alpha t8 medium tank, play the t34-2 and not the t44
The amount of times that we've been in agreement lately is almost scary @unique scaffold
quick lichen
@dense glade you can technically use the 128 mm gun of the e100 too. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should. And no. Wg shouldn’t buff guns you’re not supposed to use to be competitive
drowsy plaza
Lol at 122mm users on T-44.
quick lichen
I saw one on my team the other day and told my platoon mate we were playing 6v7
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold
Yea, I don't know how I feel about that 🤔
jade cargoBOT
ᔕΔYҜΩ-௫Ω௫ΩℳΔ𝐿𝘾𝙃𝙀𝙑Δ#1515 has been warned.
drowsy plaza
@neon mango not here
@dense glade at one time you could mount ‘a Derp 105 mm (IIRC) howitzer on the M46 Patton. Note this wasn’t the Tank gun, it had some stupid HE damage that would have been fine playing 7 AFK Borsig’s but was colossally useless in game. Same derp that used to be an option on the M4 Sherman. WG used to let all sorts of odd choices be used. Just because something is there doesn’t make it a valid option
dense glade
@drowsy plaza.i agree with your opinion,but as we know t44 is powercreeped ,buffing it will help it overcome it.and will standout as compared to other mediums and will also be opted instead of skipping by choosing the light line of USSR (t54ltwt).
fiery flame
The t44 is still a really good tank @dense glade I really do not think that it has been a victim of powercreep
nimble zodiac
Turret could be a bit better but I can’t really enforce it considering it’s a medium
crystal spoke
Yeah it was a 105mm howitzer and the reason was because that was an actual tank called the m45 used for infantry support
white pebble
@drowsy plaza speaking about derp guns. The derp gun of the KV-2 might be one of the best guns in its tier. This is NOT because of its alpha damage or its dpm, but because everyone is scared as hell when a KV-2 is waiting behind a wall allowing the rest of the team to circle around.
frank urchin
Nerf smasher dmg
pseudo cargo
nah
unique warren
Smasher is kinda OP yes. On anycase, keep up the good work Devs. Just add something to the crates, that's the most important issue atm
glad brook
Hello
I was in a battle in the E50M and a 113 fired a gold shell at me(I could hear the sizzling of HEAT). It bounced and it shows I blocked 370 damage. Since the alpha of the 113 is 400 with AP, shouldn't it be 340 alpha with HEAT? I looked in the garage and it does show 370 damage with HEAT. I would like to ask if this is a typo made by devs or intentional?
unique scaffold
If it was a typo, it would've been fixed by now
kind swallow
113 have more dmg on heat, cos balance
And for sure its just cos 113 need to have something to be better at then other HT
It have trash armour at front and trash hull rotation
Not really good aiming
So they gave it 370 on gold
This is why this tank is nice for cw
tender nymph
@kind swallow cw?
unique scaffold
🤦
fiery flame
Chieftain mk6 has 360 on its gold, don’t really know why but very nice to spam gold in it
crude pumice
Chieftain t95 need buff to pen power. it can't pen mauschen front-to-side hull with AP, and most of all front hull with APCR. it's not game, just rape by mauschen
desert hamlet
For some reason, pen on most tanks seems to have lowered
twin egret
the 122mm on the T-44 is good, did very well with it like above 2k average damage with the gun, it's not like it needs a buff
kind swallow
100 mm probably better
thick rover
@tender nymph Clan war
distant river
@crude pumice why are you comparing a tier 8s pen to a tier 9 known for its good armour?
unique scaffold
Hello, any dev is online?
daring plover
wtf ?
median gust
Not balance related
unique scaffold
British TDs, how to deal with conway in close distance ?
fringe summit
Smash it for 1300 HESH
ivory flint
I know the charioteer is getting nerfed because it's "broken", but in my opinion the main reason why it's broken is because of it's ridiculous premium consumables and provisions. Especially the spall-liner and madgames-engine boost.
The tank should be balanced by think armor and low HP making it a prime target for any gun with HE (any IS variant could 2-shot it with HE if it's not using the spall-liner provision), but the liner suddenly all HE damage is cut my 20% (correct me if I'm wrong). So an IS's 500 HE alpha now becomes 400 -the same as it's AP- only now it could fail to pen and might only splash. You might as well just AP spam the charioteer since HE won't do much.
The super-duper engine boost just negates the tanks slow-ish accleration and poor traverse numbers which should've been another balancing factor of the tank. "Made a mistake in positioning? Don't Worry, the super boost will get you out Scot-free!"
The ROF on the gun may be a bit much, but the it alone isn't enough the make the tann broken. Most likley more than a bit stronger than it has right to be, but certainly not WZ 120-1-G-Ft levels of broken. If I were to nerf It, I'd start by removing the consumables and then the reload. If that's not enough then I'd nerf the HESH pen.
unique scaffold
hi to all
queen mason
I think the Y5 elc bis should deserve it’s 90mm gun from the pc game, it’s in tier 7 with a 75 mm that has a good reload but the gun is so inaccurate at the same time almost missing every shot because I have to aim in. The Y5 elc bis I think would fit more in tier 7 if it had the 90mm
grave bear
@ivory flint charioteer is far away from wz 120 ft levels of brokeness. even without op new consumables, its gun comes directly from FV4's one, but with even better dpm, mounted on a Centurion mk7/1 mobility hull, but without armor. it would be balanced tier x tier like centurion mk7/1 if charioteer had its same dpm, but its just ages better.
@indigo knot 245 ap pen cant pen? lol
it was just an awful noob playing it, all tanks are trash in noobs' hands, but in my hands its just x2 times broken than wz 120ft
indigo knot
I faced charioteers in my Wz120 and crushed them without problems....whats the use of DPM if you can't pen
Though in platoons charioteer can be devastating....when angled 245 pen can be bounced but yeah you may correct unskilled player might be playing it @grave bear
But Wz120gft won't be nerfed coz and charioteer will be (afterall WG won't nerf premium to maintain there trust)
I seriously want those consumables to be removed..... Tds with OK traverse won't be circled by meds and imagine E3 or Jageroo or Badger using them
grave bear
sorry but there i just see 1 tier X med tank, and 2 tier 9 med tanks, one with way better dpm and anothrr with better turret armor.
i prefer rare and expensive premium tanks being broken than a 100% free tech tree tank (actually being even more brokwen) @indigo knot
i mean, while shooting calibrated HESH with 230 pen, from bushes with his decent Camo, is just tier x tier a turretted su122-54 with better dpm , a turret and worse traverse
ivory flint
@grave bear it's a TD so it's going to have a good gun. When TDs have the same guns as mediums and heavies they almost always preform way better in DPM, stabilisation, and accuracy even compared to tanks a tier higher. Comparing just the guns ignores the fact that the Centurion 7/1 and FV 4202 actually have armor worth mentioning and more than a 50% increase in hitpoints compared to the Charioteer's base 1100. Also, the Cent and FV aren't particularly high DPM tanks to begin with so using them to say the Charioteer's DPM is too high is kind of nonsensical. If the DPM really is too much then judging by your screenshot all it needs is a reload nerf and removal of the special consumables and it should be okay.
unique scaffold
What does the tank with 3 lines mean
grave bear
@ivory flint but there is a problem, charioteer from TDs takes ONLY pros. except the super Good TDs' guns it has A 360° turret and mobility of a med tank like cent 1
ivory flint
@grave bear you could argue the same for the RHM Borsig. It was fairly over cooked when it came out. Granted it didn't and Still doesn't have fancy consumables and HESH but it has tier ten guns (as marked in the garage) available to it from stock so much like the Charioteer it has tier ten guns in tier 8, and while neither of the RHM's 12.8 cm or 15.0cm guns have the DPM of the Charioteer's 10.5cm gun they are larger in caliber such that the percentage increase in DPS (damage per shot) is more than the subsequent percentage loss in DPM.
Granted it doesn't have the mobility of the Charioteer. However, the Chariot actually has pretty poor acceleration considering that the RHM as well as most medium tanks beat it in terrain resistance. Regardless of it having a top speed of 50 KpH, it also has a mad-games level engine boost helping out in that department, so it's hard to say weather or not the Charioteer's base mobility is too good.
Both tanks still have paper thin armor and no hitpoints. Any tank with a 120mm cannon can 2 shot both of them with HE. (And there's alot of thoes tyoes of guns at tier 8) Problem is, the Charioteer has way more survivability than the RHM because it gets a fancy spall liner for no reason. Not because it has more HP, or significantly more armor. It's actually a larger target than the RHM. With significantly worse cammo when stationary, while moving, and after firing.
I'm not saying it doesn't need nerfing, but in my opinion most if the OP-ness comes from the fancy consumables and provisions, not just the gun.
unique scaffold
The spall liner is way too good
grave bear
@ivory flint i said that NOW its just the best tier 8, without consumables will still be Very op. 440 damage with 231 pen and 7 reload time outclassess everything, plus its not an easier HE target, it has spaced armor and big tracks, rhm is also much slower
i mean, charioteer is a smaller skorpion G with 13 less pen, 20 less alpha and like 4 seconds faster reload, with better mobolitu
neon mango
sa
meager spruce
@grave bear you are also forgetting the special consumables it gets
ivory flint
What spaced armor? Big tracks? Not compared to some thing like the Löwe; its got a modified Comet's hull if I'm not mistaken. And with that big fat turret it's a "land here" sign for all HE shells. Literally just shoot it anywhere in the turret and your HE will go through. No need to worry about tracks.
As I mentioned the Charioteer is "slow to accelerate" not "slow". Those are two different things. Obviously the Charioteer is faster than the RHM because the German tank is capped at 30KpH not 50 like the Brit, but most if not all mediums will reach and retain their top speed better than the Charioteer because they'll be faster to gain speed (aka acclerate). Without the super engine boost it gets, any medium or light can flank it, chase It, circle it, once they've caught up to It, and promptly HE it to death. (Assuming it's not using spall liner)
The only thing that consistently and reliably gets in the way of that engagement going as it should is the consumables. It might have scary DPM but if it can't point the gun at it's target because it's being circled, that DPM is useless.
Thus I shall repeat my self one more time, "The consumables account for most of what makes the tank OP not just the gun. The gun probably has something to do with the tank being too strong, but I think that with out it's special consumables and provisions, the Charioteer would be merely 'Over Cooked' similar to how the RHM was when it came to the game. Not Over Powered or game breaking like it is currently considered to be. Removal of the special consumables and provisions as well as a slight reload nerf will probably be enough to sufficiently balance the tank."
jade cargoBOT
XXEcstacy#9574 has been warned.
umbral hound
IS-4 is op. Armor profile is just too good for everything else it has going for it
thick rover
..
flat bane
...
thick rover
Are you supporting the IS-4 is not OP camp? :)))
flat bane
I mean I don't really care lol. All I want is jg pz E100 to get higher HE pen.
fiery flame
Nein
karmic tusk
Balance issues in my opinion:
Smasher needs heat Penn nerf and small mobility nerf.
New British tds need consumables introduced slowly throughout the line like in lower tiers.
Jp e100 needs a small dispersion nerf.
FV 183 needs a small depression buff.
E100 should have stock gun removed or made cheaper in exp like the fv 4202.
Gravedigger needs a pen buff armour nerf.
Black prince needs a small dpm nerf.
Grille 15 could use a tiny hp buff.
Vk 72.01k needs a turret cheek buff.
Is4 needs a bigger or another weak spot armour is way too troll.
B1 needs a small pen nerf.
Theres my list.
flat bane
Ok if you're going to nerf jgs dispersion give it more HE pen first.
thick rover
Aahahahah you're kinda cute😀
Grille could do with gun depression or HE pen buff
shy wren
@karmic tusk B1 needing a pen nerf? That tank has one of the worst pen numbers at tier IV
flat bane
Cute what
elfin marlin
Buffing/nerfing..... Stop complaning. We play WOT Blitz not WOT Adaptable tanks
meager spruce
Uuum wether you like it or not this is #tank-balance-discussion and they are talking about balance so technically they are not complaining but having a civilized text conversation
nimble zodiac
B1 DOES NOT need a penetration nerf, it’s terrible
frail thorn
Grille needs a camo buff and I'm good with just that.
teal olive
@karmic tusk lol trust me dude. JG most definitely does NOT need a dispersion nerf. The gun is unreliable enough as is
flat bane
It needs a HE buff tho; 85mm for a 170? XDDDD
unique scaffold
they always nerf the german tanks
fringe summit
Yeah even the grille has only 75mm he pen
white vessel
Rhm is pure garbage
teal olive
Only above average high tier Germans (tech tree) are E50M, maus, jpanther 2, and WT
neat crescent
Smasher indeed needs nerf
British tds idea is good
Jp e100 is good as it is
Fv 183 does not need any more buffs,its good as it is and we dont need more nuub carrier tanks in tier X
Gravedigger is rarely used these days
And its already balanced,the cheeks and the lower plate are very easy to hit spots and with good pen the frontal plate is able to be penned, black prince has only good armor and the dpm is a med going for it,i dont think it needs any nerfs since it is so slow and lacks other heavys strenghts at its tier
Grille 15 might need just a bit of hp when compared to other tanks but thats what makes it fun to play
Vk 72.01 is ok,if its armor were to be huffed tiers IX would suffer severly and tiers X would have a harder time aiming/penning it with pramo even
Is4 is the tank everyone talked about ever since a few youtubers complained but before no one said anything? Hmm weird
B1 needs a buff lmao that thing struggles even with tier 4s
harsh ravine
Charioteer is the only one that’s broken, rest are fine. Yes, somehow the FV4005 is broken or Conway. In short, the Charioteer is only one that is broken. How is the FV4005 broken in anyway possible? The Conway is fine, it makes the Tortoise even more irrelevant anyways
unique scaffold
best tank at tier V is kv 1 ???
delicate crypt
nu
zenith sand
@white vessel Nope rhm is still good
white vessel
Bad accuracy bad armor bad dpm bad mobility center mounted gun. Only thing why i would play it over isu/scorpion is the camo values are good. @zenith sand
zenith sand
Uh..actually yes...
unique scaffold
@white vessel to think WZ 120 TD has even more camo than borsig is inconceivable, that thing has got all the parameters ultra OP. Someone at WG was sleeping when introducing it. And it cannot be nerfed, that's what makes me upset
crystal spoke
Yeah it can it just hasn't been
dreamy crest
@unique scaffold they can make it to a collector tank and nerf it after
crystal spoke
Or they could just nerf it straight up since they even reserve the right to do so eula
unique scaffold
^
crystal spoke
I can only think of maybe 3 tanks that could be considered p2w the devs are doing pretty good imo
grave bear
i can consider only 2, Keni otsu and wz 120 ft. since Keni otsu who cares cuz is super low tier, i would say only 1.
unique scaffold
ke ni otsu costs only 5€
indigo knot
I think Wz120ft 252u and Wz112-2(some might not agree on this choice though) are too good for their tiers ...
wet quail
Yeah the wz112-2 is very good. Wish I had it although I have the 120ft already and is5
harsh mason
Do you speak Frensh
jade cargoBOT
👑fistylandaufonddufun 👑#8376 has been warned.
grave bear
obj252U meh i dont like it
thick rover
Cool
kind swallow
Well, for me mostly wz120 ft is really overperforming
Wz112-2 if you use gold on it in some cases (tanks) u can pen upper plate
252U have so big downplate
Wz120ft - for me they should nerf reload a little bit and turning speed a lot
untold schooner
@unique scaffold i libe ke ni otsu where i can buy it
austere bone
I think lttb and type 62 and most light tier 7 need a major pen buff going into tier 8 going against a obj 75u with 145 pen in lttb case the apcr pen isn't good so you can't even pen a is 5 with apcr frontaly and can't pen there side with ap
distant river
Why are you comparing a tier 7 with average pen to tier 8s? @austere bone
Its not hard to work out that pretty much everything will struggle when uptiered so why does everyone seem to complain about pen on meds while comparing them to heavies a tier higher?
deft owl
@kind swallow Good luck at nerfing a tier 8 premium.
stoic light
Even though they have the right to nerf any premium, I’m 99% sure they aren’t going to because it will anger everyone who bought the tank lol. They care way more about the people who buy the tanks than those who didn’t buy it and complain about it
kind swallow
@deft owl I know its impossible
austere bone
Because tier 7 plays with tier 8??..
distant river
Tier 7 can also play against tier 9, so why arent you complaining that the helsing cant beat a mauschen, so it must clearly need a buff?
My point is that tank should be balenced around their tier, they should not be balenced compared to tanks of a different tier because they are definitely going to meet tanks of their own tier @austere bone
hollow shell
yo is there ever gonna be another T49 ATM event, cause i really want there to be
austere bone
Yea but that is a ereagular game if you are in a tier 7 expect to go up against tier 8 and 6 if you have less pen then most tier 6 then what makes you think your ready for tier 8 I'm just saying buffing the pen to like 160 wouldn't make op because it's just gonna be able to pen thosw tier 8 t 54 ltwt and t 54 mod 1 and even is 2. 1954s @distant river
distant river
Tier 7s arent supposed to do well against tier 8s. Tier 7s are supposed to do average against tier 7s and well against tier 6s. If you buff it it just becomes unbalanced. Lttb atm is a great tank, it does not need a buff
clever musk
Help me understand something - why every tank on tier 3 has something between 500-600 dpm (excluding Ke Ni Otsu) and M5 Stuart has friggin 817 dpm? This is that helping newbs? It's broken with its fast reload as A-20 was with its HE pen. This tank reminds me of T-46 from pre-5.5 era. No tank have chance to win against it... Maybe only when someone with 20% wr play it.
torpid stag
WG buff obj 252 U and fv4005
median gust
joke right
hollow shell
i hope lol
quartz steeple
Buff t 95/chieftan?? Its seems to be an easy target even with buff .... it feels like a weak tank ... buff by removing (edited) cupola or reduce its size
crystal spoke
The t95 isnt that bad just use your gd and dont stay in one spot for longer then absolutely necessary
Also I dont recommend using cancer in that way its fround upon by the mods since it's a disease and not an adjective
kind swallow
Sorry, but if Type62 needs buff to anything, that means that u r ... oh man
It have got 250 MM HEAT pen
Op reload
Op speed
And u r playing against for example Löwe
Is ut a problem to pen it?
No
grave bear
lmao 250 pen is enough for a tier 9 light tank, and u want it to be buffed in a tier 7 one 🤦 @austere bone
indigo knot
Well he might not be firing gold ammo unlike us so he might have said that but still it doesn't need buff.... flank and use mobility
wet quail
It’s not that they care about angering the playerbase it’s that those tanks sell for a lot and a lot will sell also. So why would they nerf a cash cow like the wz or smasher? Just ain’t happening
forest drum
Hey Devs I just wanna say... There is part of the game that is dated and been in blitz for a very long time. Ill post an image
Its a small change but it might make a good addition to the new UI update!
Here
Im sure this could get a refresh
dreamy crest
The timer?
jade cargoBOT
WoT is trash af#7379 was muted
austere bone
No I want ap buffed 145 pen.. And type 62 isn't anymore trust me I have 700k battles in it and a 59% wr in it
blissful pivot
Hello
round ocean
M6A2E1 and EXP too Op
fresh comet
Not sure if this is the right channel to ask on but... I still have 4 birthday cakes from year 4's birthday contest. I didn't cash them in right away because I was a new player and already running a 30 day premium so I figured I'd wait it out. How do I get them to jst go away?
distant river
@austere bone You have 700,000 battles in 1 tank 🤔
nimble zodiac
@austere bone those light tanks are meant to spot though. They are not supposed to do much damage. Other tank types are meant to take down enemies, and you as a light must help, you can flank if you will.
unique scaffold
The Type 62 is fine. It seriously does not need a buff....
Now the Type 64 on the other hand...
crystal spoke
I'm not sure what the type 64 doesn't need a buff in aside from mobility and reload ( granted I dont often play lights)
dim field
The Exp is balanced. It's huge and only really has armor in the front. It's gun does some nice dmg but it does have a long reload so it's definitely not OP
unique scaffold
@crystal spoke. I'd give the 64 slightly better acceleration and a degree or three more gun depression
kind swallow
Me too
Cos Y5 Firefly is far better
Better depression, better dpm, only a little bit worse mobility
crystal spoke
With that I think I might actually play it some like a fast hill runner
white vessel
Lol who the f just spots in blitz
deft owl
Buff fv215b 183
golden kraken
Wargamings I don't know if you realized the charioteer needs a buff please
warped anchor
^^^ thats a meme
indigo knot
Does anyone think that Vk7201k needs a buff....???
Opinions
thick rover
Well not me at least idk bout the rest
flat bane
Vk needs s buff? Lol the only thing it needs is a faster reloud.
wanton beacon
@indigo knot ,🇳 🇴
flat maple
type 59 needs a buff, its pretty powercreeped
echo ridge
😄
versed meadow
buff t28 concept pls
thick rover
Wat
flat bane
Buff all the Chinese tanks lol
visual nimbus
Concept is very good
polar bone
Plz buff the At-8 and the At-7 plz and thx
unique scaffold
Buff the T-44
distant river
What about it needs a buff?
@thorn skiff that is literally their only strong point, its not hard to use prammo or go at a slight angle and hit their sides. They are both alright tanks, but definitely not in need of a nerf
thorn skiff
Nerf for front armour of M6A2E1 (especially EXP version) would be cool
unique scaffold
Turret Armour and reload needs buff on T-44
distant river
You shouldn't be relying on your turret armour, and its dpm is bad considering it had decent alpha for a med, mobility and it can bounce if you play it right.
unique scaffold
Kpfpz 70 reload and HE buff, I am sick of hitting perfectly blank zones and doing always 200 or 300 damage. When penetrating (rarely), RNG makes the HE similar to the APCR doing 400 or 500 dmg, not more, even if I hit point blank a Japanese Type 61 in the rear. It's intolerable, since many other tanks have more effective HE, even the 128 mm guns do better
nimble zodiac
Then use not HE shells?
unique scaffold
@nimble zodiac in fact I use the APCR and HEAT shells, but I'd be happy if at least those HE shells could be more usable, it's about the principle. It's a 152 mm anti bunker gun (or missile launcher). At least the HE should be good, more than inferior calibers for sure
cyan frost
thw jagdtiger is weak because when i get hit alot of time either my engine is damaged or ammo rack and that happens like 3 times in a row
thorn skiff
Buff FCM 50t, it's so big and its armour doesn't compensate for that
Yes, it is agile, but it's easy target due to the size and thin armour
wet quail
Yeah all Chinese tanks need a buff including wz120ft
west aspen
Nerf the HESH charioteer
Tf is that pen
Can easily pen IS-3 IS-8 front and Vk 100 small cupola also
nimble zodiac
Just show your side and hope it hits the tracks 👀
unique scaffold
I agree with people saying vk72 need a buff. The turret should not be able to be penned frontally. Or buff reload, but I would say making it stronger in the front would increase the difference between tanks in-game.
fiery turtle
I think Blitz needs more light tanks at Tier IX (but not Tier X).
WG should bring in the Rheinmetall Panzerwagen at Tier IX (very fast, 105 mm gun, great penetration, great gun depression, but slow rate of fire and low ammo capacity.)
Personally I think WG should also bring in the M551 Sheridan at Tier IX.
It should fire HE shells like the T49, but with penetration buffed to 85 mm and alpha damage buffed to 910. For prammo, it should fire ATM homing missiles with a HEAT warhead with 165 mm of penetration and 640 alpha damage. Rate of fire, 4 rounds per minute.
Basically a souped-up T49 ATM, but with conventional HE shells, and 2 tiers higher.
Oh, and the missiles should be ridiculously expensive - like 3 times the cost of 183 prammo.
wet quail
Yeah and then completely break the game, I’ll pass
lethal token
VK 72 does not need a buff. It's already good.
acoustic shard
the t9 wz 120 needs more pen on ap and Heat. And 1 ore 2 more degrease of gun depression. But most defiantly needs more pen.
distant river
You pay with pen and depression to get the alpha on a med
acoustic shard
no you have roughly around the same pen as all the other avrage meds. and the bad depression make's it so you get less shots off. so when you do get shots off you should be able to easly pen them
teal olive
@flat maple AHAHhahahahahahaha good one
flat maple
lol
indigo knot
But 3deg of gun dep is way to much atleast give it 5
fiery flame
I miss the old armour of the LTTB
unique scaffold
^ Imo it received too many nerfs
distant river
Yeah it works well enough now but i would trade its dpm for its old armour
unique scaffold
You're on the worng place to complain about mm
In fact, you're on a wrong server
This isn't the place for mm complaints
They should have left the armor of the LTTB alone and they should not have given it a DPM buff in this last update.
unique scaffold
You know what some buffs thatd be a welcome thing to see.
STA-1 and Type 61 getting useable moutnlets
Or maybe a proper buff to the SP I C autoloader, the nerd it got way back was way too much and now it just feels bad compared to the other lights
quartz steeple
I agree spic is very very bad compared to other tanks rather even light tanks of its tier
fiery turtle
@distant river at 20:13
"Yeah it works well enough now but i would trade its dpm for its old armour"
Buff the LTTB's turret front back up to 90 mm - and take away its top gun (the long barrelled 85 mm D-10-85).
The next gun down, (the 85 mm DST-85BM) has 9 shots per minute instead of 10. But it has only 6 mm less penetration, has a quicker aiming time, and has an amazing -8 degrees of gun depression instead of only -5 degrees. And it still has 300 more DPM than the T-34-85 (it's the top gun on that tank).
distant river
Yeah that would work well, a hull buff would be nice too but not necessary
deft owl
Buff fv215b 183
stable flint
@flat maple if the type 59 needs a buff I suggest a mobility buff
kind swallow
@stable flint its the best med by stats as I remember
flat maple
@stable flint nah, more like a pen buff. These heavy tanks are getting more and more thiccccc
grave bear
Type59 is the best tier 8 med lmao .m.
stable flint
@flat maple the pen on that 100mm is actually better than the pen on the t44's 100mm, I can make it work (albeit with prammo) but imo the type 59 has slow acceleration
flat maple
do u max out the provistions?
and use engine accelerator as a equipment?
stable flint
I don't use engine accelerator and yes I've maxed out the provisions, I've watched sk8xtrm's video and I've used the same load out as his
grave bear
it has pretty solid hull and amazing turret tho, not a problem is if slower than t44
dreamy crest
The gun is trolling often
stable flint
Yup the gun does trolls at times. Not so sure about the hull armor but the turret armor is silly
grave bear
well the hull is just a bit more reliable than t44's one
clever void
It’s as close as you can get to the t54 at tier 8. It has low dpm and low accel in exchange for good armour. The gun really does suck. But it gets er done
flat bane
W0ah yeah the T9 Chinese TD needs a reloud buff to it's 152mm
teal olive
@flat bane it definitely doesn’t need a reload buff
flat bane
@teal olive 17 sec round is ok for a 150mm? Lol
unique scaffold
It's pretty balanced out with its armor and insanely high pen
290 AP and 375 HEAT
flat bane
That doesn't justify the high reloud, the jg pz E100 also has armor,pen, and a 170mm cannon but has a 14-15 sec reloud.
thick rover
Tier X I guess
flat bane
Still, the reloud with 100% crew is 15 or 16? Atleast take 1 or 0.5 sec off.
flat jay
We all know charioteer is getting a nerf to its reload and mobility.
drowsy void
Maybe they'll buff the t95e2
wanton oyster
CAN YOU GUYS PLEASE BUFF THE CAERNARVON. It needs more side armor and the 32pndr like the PC version does. PLS. this 190 alpha is pathetic. good dpm but u cant trade off corners with other tanks well. PLS
loud heron
They should limit the amount of derp guns in lower tier. 2 per team. To many in each battle. Kv2, smasher, 100Y, 152 all in 1 team or 2 smashers a kv2 and a 152.
zenith sluice
Buff the 183 :c that poor thing turned into trash
wanton oyster
Bruh the caernarvon really needs a buff in alpha and side armor so it can sidescrape a little
errant badge
They should really do something for the Kv1s... Can Barely pin any thing unless you have the big gun but then you stuck with 21sec of reloading... One shot and you give yourself away... I had to use gold for exp just to get upgraded... :(
dim field
The big gun is the gun you're supposed to use. Pull up, shoot, go back behind cover and move position
unique scaffold
Hi
gaunt coyote
@wanton oyster it is a hulldown tank what on Earth are you doing with it in an urban environment🤦 🤦
jagged helm
Put a clipper to the foch155.
-2 shots per clip
-3.5s between shells
-20s to reload (when it’s maxed)
If u calcul, it gives a similar DPM to 50b and t57
wet quail
No
tiny solstice
Foch155 in blitz must become like FochB in WOT Pc ... no i changed my mind it is ok xD
unique scaffold
It's fine as it is
If something is not broken, don't try to fix it
wet quail
Wargaming intensifies
jagged helm
No, Foch b is useless, rather play 50b or t57h, but foch155 needs a real clip of 155mm, this one would be just correctly balanced
Actually Foch isn’t played a lot, because it doesn’t have the specify he deserves, basically 268 is same tank but in better
@unique scaffold then why put different tanks, let’s just put 1 tank in each tier, so it’s not broken and no need to do anything like wth..
The goal is to make the game diversified and enjoyable, if it’s only a broken tank question, then yeah let’s put to all tanks same specs
unique scaffold
Well it looks like the WZ-120-Ft shall remain king. The Charioteer is getting a pretty harsh nerf in 6.1. Reload, HESH pen, and aim time are all taking a hit.
Personally I probably would have just done HESH pen but whatever.
orchid grove
@narrow peak That’s for the stock 90mm, which will still have less clip potential than the top 105
wet quail
@unique scaffold wouldn’t want to reduce wz sales would we now lol. When it’s sold that is which isn’t often, if you had a better alternative at tier 8 for free would you buy the wz? No
quick lichen
Hard to reduce sales when it’s not being sold
west aspen
Wz a pay to win tank gonna take over the victory this season
unique scaffold
Don't you guys think T26E4 was silent buffed in engine in occasion of this new bundle in shop? Mine seems faster, someway, and I have it for a long time
clever void
Tier 8 rateings will basically be a spam of WZ-120-FTs and 252u. I can’t really think of any tech tree tanks that effectively counter these except for some tds like ISU, Jpanther 2 and the new tier 8 Chinese td which may be the best of them
jade cargoBOT
The_Real_Slim_Shady_[R-2-K]#3628 has been warned.
olive hawk
The frontal armor is not good enough, lower plate is easy pen
visual nimbus
On IS-4?
teal olive
The IS4 needs quite the opposite
indigo knot
After seeing Charioteer nerfed to ground ....good thing I completed my grind today
unique scaffold
I sold it today🤣
jade cargoBOT
The_Real_Slim_Shady_[R-2-K]#3628 has been warned.
wanton oyster
@gaunt coyote ik but on some maps u need to sidescrape. the PC version can, and has the 32 pndr. the low alpha is good overall for dpm but in the long run sucks because u cant trade with another heavy properly
wanton oyster
its an overall standard vehicle, even with a hatch, the chieftain does everything better
vapid marsh
When are the 6.0 tank stats going to be released in #devs-answers ?
muted ridge
RIP Charioteer... it was fun, for a week or two, but now you’ll just be less than ordinary! Not sure why it’s getting nerfed so hard when compared to the seriously broken Chinese TDs - anyone like to enlighten me? From my 200ish games in Charioteer, it can certainly put out the damage, but is frighteningly fragile once spotted! Seems like a hard hit tbh...
vapid marsh
Char still maintains its small profile, its amazing camo rating, great mobility, and very good gun depression
All of that was overshadowed by the OP gun though
clever void
I think we will still see frequent 5k dmg games from it but I will miss heshing the IS spam frontally
glad saffron
https://blitzhangar.com/en/update/6-1-preview i dont see any charioteer nerf?
distant river
Charioteer will still have just over 1000 hp so it is an easy kill for most tanks, and it now doesnt have the dpm or HESH pen to scare off anyone who thinks about rushing it. It will now be an easy kill for any tank @vapid marsh
gaunt coyote
@wanton oyster example of a map that does not have a hulldown position?
distant river
Himmelsdorf is pretty much the only map hull down tanks struggle on, but there are places where they can be effective but it relies on the reds being in the right place.
wanton oyster
bruh, I’m saying sometimes tanks need to side scrape in some situations
distant river
And if you need to be in those situations then you have dont something wrong.
jade cargoBOT
{AR}CrusaderKnight#5100 has been warned.
unique scaffold
Why do i have to repair my tank every battle and why do i have to wait a long time after battle is finished to go back to garage
crystal spoke
Because you wouldn't want to fight in a damaged tank would you? and its because you have to load the resources
zenith steppe
No it's a bug
wet quail
Yep
fathom hatch
hi
vagrant rampart
Hello guys
unique scaffold
Wg can't balance tanks
(That's actually a fact)
stable flint
Sad
fathom hatch
hi
stable light
@hybrid spoke what do you think of repairs in blitz
clever void
SP I C was buff a couple updates ago
trail ore
Hello
verbal sonnet
There goes the Charioteer, from OP to trash
wet quail
Buff Chinese is2
smoky yoke
Charioteer getting nerf?
flat jay
I agree. Kv1s oit of date, 17 sec reload when maxed including equipment, not suitable with everything youll face in tier 6 and 7, maybe change reload to 14 seconds, just not as competitive as it use to be. Unless they split that tank up in the kv-85 like pc.
slim rivet
u said it, it’s not as competitive as it used to be. Doesn’t mean it’s not fine. It’s just not OP anymore
flat jay
I feel it's not competitive at all, as stated above once you fored amd gave position away enemy knows they can fully move in on you, and most tanks at 6 and 7 have way better dpm and reloads then you so typically your only.gettimg 3-4 shots off a game if your lucky.
wet quail
@smoky yoke yeah nasty one
trail ore
I'm having trouble playing being that I had a premium account and a few hours without spending the same hours as I do. I'm Brazilian, may I help you call in private please
unique scaffold
KV-1S does not need any kind of reload buff, its ability to two shot almost any tank it sees is a huge thing to have, combine that with its insanely good mobility for a heavy and you have a powerful tank. It's just about positioning and using the tank's strengths of mobility and side scraping ability.
Plus it does the job of introducing the playstyle of the rest of the line
winged barn
It even actually has gun depression to work with
8 degrees isn't enough? @wet quail
wet quail
Nah it doesn’t
lilac lance
Anyone know why the auto resupply is not working and why the game takes so long to end ????
finite glade
It's probably ur device Also how's the charioteer going to get nerfed
sly vessel
JRC46, no clue. Its happening to everyone in our clan right now as well
hushed holly
I am waiting tooooo!!!! PLS
fathom hatch
hi
nimble zodiac
If you’re gonna do a lot of damage you’re gonna have to wait a while to load your gun, VIII does 400 in like 12 seconds, VIII wouldn’t be such a jump if the VI was a couple seconds behind
bleak vault
Id like to add that the tiers are off compared to Xbox and pc
rigid wigeon
All tier 9 tanks are bad when they’re stock. Use free XP or just grind it out @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
@rigid wigeon
waffel traktor
t54
Bias series
are very easy
somber forum
kv 4 needs pen and aim time buff
unique scaffold
Has anyone used the VK 100.01 (P) ans ld noticed just how little armor the lower glaceous has? Even at a 60° angle most tanks that I face go straight through with ease, and it take up about 40% of the front hull, less armor than the side for crying out loud, and I get the balancing, but you are already slow enough lacking the DPM to win most battles, that's why I find myself hugging a building and backing out at an angle, then they shoot my commander in the face. Plz armor lower glaceous by at least 50 mm more, cause right now, it feels like 70 mm. Also, 105 mm Canon need a faster reload with a 150 damage difference and 2 seconds, leading to a 30% increase in DPM. Its already slow enough from its armor, at least armor the lower plate on it to be more effective in battle like the kpz 70
shy wren
If you know how to hide your lower plate, you’re set for life in the Vk 100.01 P and the rest of the Maus line. Stock gun is atrocious tho, could use a bit of love
frigid sky
The kpz70 is tier 9 so it should be better than the vid not similar.
latent snow
The vk 100 just needs its cupola armor back
compact trout
I think the cupola nerf was needed, even with it I’m still wrecking teams, it’s sooo broken lol
unique scaffold
Im finding the cupola still hard to pen with my black prince, but its a breeze with APCR
verbal sonnet
The Charioteer was nerfed
mental flower
The Charioteer is totally useless now. Shame WG!
grave bear
lol, charioteer is a tier 8 now. probably you played only charioteer obj252u wz120ft and wz 112 as tiers 8
obtuse rover
Plz buff kpfpz 70 and move it up to tier 10 because its suppose to be better or as good as the maus in real life
unique scaffold
I just played the Charioteer and put down 2900 dmg. To be clear I suck in the Charioteer. If I can do that in it then the tank is fine.
grave bear
@obtuse rover "as good as the maus" my dude maus irl is so useless u cant even imagine, cant even do 3 meters without destroying itself
plus, wg cant give away to people a free tier X tank after having sold it as tier IX 🤦
jade cargoBOT
47#0049 has been warned.
torn cliff
Everything wrong with this picture
shy wren
Lol
delicate moth
The only thing wrong about that is a misspelling of ‘losing’.
unique scaffold
🤣
trim canopy
🇭 🇲 🇲 🇲 ... first there is a tier X tank, but it is not in the inbattle tank tab.
torn cliff
Nobody noticed that panda minimap?
clear beacon
Is there a bug with tank repairs? my tanks arent getting auto repaired even tho i have the credits
trim canopy
Lol somebody has to make a meme about that image.
deft owl
Wg thanks for nerfing charioteer now there is no way to counter wz-120-1g Ft and other op premium tanks. Well done.
meager spruce
@deft owl there is a way. Play in the WZ yourself
distant river
Yeah that isnt good for the game
jade basin
@delicate moth
weak skiff
why shoot team? haha
deft owl
@weak skiff Why shoot to sky actually.
violet sonnet
lol mini map is of Dynasty Perl, gravedigger cant use adrenaline, the whole UI is of different than that they doing in Training Room
distant river
Team list is tier 7 and 8 but there is a leo
Its WG we are talking about here... @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
This was done on purpose. There's no way someone would mix things up so badly
What does any of that have to do with #tank-balance-discussion ?
torn cliff
Coz nothing is balanced in that picture
violet sonnet
Intellectually not balanced
To get on topic.
How does t54e1 feel now? Only tech tree clipper to have top gun with 4 shells at that level.
unique scaffold
Actually the stock gun got 4 shells
Top gun is still 3
left oar
KV1s was a good fighter...this kind of nerf makes this game less and less playable.
tribal summit
What nerf to kv1s?
willow hawk
Reload was increased many updates ago...it used to be one of the best Tier 6s back in the day
unique scaffold
@covert harbor refer to the pinned messages please
fathom hatch
hi
covert harbor
@unique scaffold where would I find that?
unique scaffold
Top right corner
uncut obsidian
Oh lord when did sparty get mod
crystal spoke
Several weeks ago
unique scaffold
@uncut obsidian about a month ago
jade cargoBOT
TomPL#2885 has been warned.
twilit crystal
oh lord if testers get to use the progettoers they gonna be very lucky @unique scaffold ban the spammer below plz
jade cargoBOT
Noel_Abhilash12#4555 was banned
wanton oyster
the Vk didnt need the lower plate nerf tbh. just the cupola. and chariot didnt need pen nerf
quartz steeple
Ikr ... they over nerf the tanks that is supposed to be decent .... now they r both very challenging to play as compared to their original play style when released ....
white pebble
@quartz steeple which vk are you two talking about exactly? There are so many VK tanks (vk 100.01 P, vk 16.02 leopard)
quartz steeple
the vk 100.01 P
white pebble
I find that the vk 100.01 P is still a decent tank. Although it is in no way to be considered top of its tier, I'd still rank it at about halfway the list. If you know how to play the tank (sidescraping and wiggling so they can't hit the lower plate reliably) then it can block quite a lot of the incoming attacks. It's maneuverability is pretty good for a tank as armored as the vk 100.01 P and especially the turn rate is worth a lot. The cupola can be defended most of the time by either, as said above, side scraping or by keeping on the move whilst snaking, since the rest of the armor is really strong and on that tier, near impenetrable.
The dpm is where it falls a bit behind most other tanks at that tier, but the pretty high single shot damage allows you to position for most shots nicely, and even allowing some damage to be taken for a good shot because of the nice HP, but a lot of the fire will be blocked by good armor usage. The precision of the gun isn't bad either.
This is why I would still rate the VK 100.01 P as a medium to slightly above medium tank.
Please note: This are my findings afyer playing many matches with this tank, and just having maxed out the crew and having played with the top modules installed. The grind to get this can be somewhat punishing though as without the top modules it's capabilities are severely held back.
lost island
You know whats stupid? There are slow heavily armored mediums, and 50 kmh(ish) heavies with no armor
unique scaffold
Real quick to clarify on the KV-1S
The last time the tank was directly touched by any update, be it buff or nerf, was all the way back in update 1.3...
And they nerfed the turret traverse
The tank has remained the same ever since
Seeing how its able to go by 20+ updates, major equipment and tier reworks. I have a strange feeling its sitting where it should be balance wise
uncut coral
Hello
tribal summit
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olive hawk
🤯
untold hill
Opa
open walrus
Guys, with this new release you have taken all the fun out or running a KV2. Now it is nearly impossible to do more than 400dmg with HE. Now it is one more slow, heavy and under armored tank than can barely do any damage during battle ... sad
finite notch
I feel like the Conway needs a nerf, back when I played is8 the worst thing that happen the Conway sniping in a corner killing the entire team doing 600 dmg a shot in a quick succession
unique scaffold
That just sounds like someone knows how to play a TD against a team that had poor awareness
Conway with that 5.5 in gun is just a worse WT Pz IV
nimble zodiac
ISU does better
twilit crystal
The Conway 5.5 sucks
wraith hornet
Its hard for the average player, super strong in the right hands with that dpm gun
ivory flint
Sooooooooo, I watched a YouTube video at 0.25X speed because I was interested in how the Progetto M40 Mod.65's autoREloading gun works, but because they don't show the tank reloading more than the last shell from an empty magizene, I was left with a few questions about how exactly it works. Obviously I can't just rip the "autoreloader rule book" from PC because PC plays out at a speed that actually lets the Progetto get away with having awefull base reloading times. However, Blitz plays out too quickly for the Progetto to play by the exact same rules. So I imagine that it plays similarly but not quite the same. Thankfully the math/theory crafting I've done seems to line up with that.
Regardless my questions are as follows:
(1)Does the tank begin reloading immediately after a shell has been fired, or does it begin reloading only after the gun has had time to cycles to its next shell?
(2)If the gun is fired while the tank is reloading a previously spent shell, is the loading process reset completely, or is it paused and subsequently resumed?
(3)Since the third and final shell in the magizene has no Intra-shell reload, (because there are subsequent shells to cycle through) it begins reloading immediately after it is expended. Does this mean that the first two shells reload with out being forced to wait for the gun to cycle through it's intra-shell reload if they are reloaded with out interruption after the third shell is loaded from an empty magizene regardless of weather or not they are normally penalized by the guns intra-shell when they are loaded individually from a partially full magizene?
Even though these questions can be answered with a simple yes or no, they actually effect the tank (and by extension its playstyle and over all balance) alot so I'm curious about what others think bout the rules that this tank may or may not play by.
proud yew
#1 is reloads immediately.
#2 is believe it resets.
#3 idk yet
distant river
@amber pivot this channel is about #tank-balance-discussion , you comment is not
You will find out at the same time as everyone else, and that time is not now. Stop talking about it and just use a bit of patience. @amber pivot
unique scaffold
Is it just me or does the Challenger feel a bit underpowered? The top gun feels worse to use than the stock gun, and even with the stock gun, the tank is still pretty lackluster. The high pen and damage of the top gun means nothing when the accuracy feels like a Russian 122mm on a TD that can't get close to the enemy without being penetrated from all sides. Though, I could just be thinking this due to recent poor teams and a general dislike for how easy it is for teams to completely collaspe if you're not leading them and sitting in the back like a TD with poor armor
It's a bad tank
vital jungle
Hellow I am new
drifting depot
Most russian tanks should get a buff, I feel like they're all really underpowered except for the kv2, kv1 kv3 and kv4 can be penetrated from all sides, even from the front by even lower tier tanks and while kv1 does decently enough for damage, kv3 and kv4 don't, why does a cannon that should have like 7 or 8 reload seconds goes all the way to 11 seconds, I mean, WHAT the 107 mm cannon on kv2 takes 8.5 seconds to reload while exactly the same cannon on kv3 is around 12-13 seconds
quick lichen
Imagine a kv3 with 400 alpha and a 7 second reload
twilit crystal
@quick lichen I believe he is talking about the 320 alpha gun. Yeah not gonna deny it's not OP but atleast it's the 320 alpha gun
quick lichen
Even still. 2740 dpm
grave bear
The dpm is closely the same, kv2 8.2 seconds and kv3 8.8 seconds, both mounting same 107mm gun, no idea of what 12-13 sc gun he's talking about, maybe he's using 122mm thinking its 107
grave bear
excuse me wtf?
unique scaffold
I hate how I almost have the clan tier x crate but I don't have enough gold for the i-s5
shy wren
Just play 5 ads every day for 30 days to collect enough gold for the IS-5 @unique scaffold
drifting depot
I'm talking about these 2 guns and the comparison between kv2's 107 mm gun and kv3's 107 mm gun reload times
unique scaffold
The problem here is that you aren't using provisions or equipment (judging by ur low amount of credits)
drifting depot
I am, I just sold them to show the default stats also do keep in mind that the credit gain on Russian heavy tanks is one of the lowest
Alright I just finished a match and there was a guy wich dealt pretty much the same damage but had like 3 or 4 reload seconds, WHAT THE HELL
grave bear
@drifting depot thats bias 🤦 kv3 reloads in 8.7 seconds with everything up while kv2 has 8.2 seconds... use everything 🤦
@drifting depot plus, there is NO tank in the whole game at any tier doing 280 damage every 3-4 seconds
there is T-43 doing 220 damage every 4.8 seconds, and dont expect an heavy tank having same dpm as meds 🤦 🤦 🤦
@drifting depot well i can , there is no russian tank needing buff, except KV4's aiming time on the top gun, and is4 needing a nerf
@drifting depot pinging you becauae these are different messages, im editing cuz 10 mins of cool down
Kv4 can bounxe only when facing enemies ?? do you know something about sidescraping with the thickest side armor at tisr 8?? or angling?
drifting depot
Russian heavy tanks still need a buff and you can't deny that; you know the only decent way to block damage on a kv1-3-4 is by facing your enemy right? And it isn't even that efficient, one of your weakest points is at the front of the tank
||Note: why pinging me 3 times||
zenith sand
Lmoa
unique scaffold
Lol @ "Russian tanks still need a buff".
drifting depot
Tbh the only things that need an actual buff are the armor and reload times, aiming time is already ok
quick lichen
More armor and dpm for russian tanks that already dominate the game
drifting depot
Hmmm, yuh tbh they dominate already but WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY is about the lower caliber cannons, there are some perfect for peeking wich are the 122mm ones on tier 7 for the kv3 and kv2's 151 mm cannon but 107 mm and 100 mm cannons on kv3 and their equivalent on other Russian heavy tanks should receive that reload time buff, and about the armor I have nothing else to say, is just as it is, other tanks can penetrate their amor from pretty much everywhere except for the turret's front; I don't get to the kv4 yet but my friends have it and they seem to have the same problems I have with kv3
grave bear
Kv4: pls buff my armor, my aiming time is oKaY
(worst aim time out of all guns ever mounted in a tier 8 heavy tank)
warped onyx
Where have the clans gone?????
unique scaffold
" Server problem" on Wot. - Blitz - ???
wet quail
Stop telling us something we all already know in the wrong place
olive hawk
clans are for noobs
fast goblet
Can't kick people out of my clan
Is that a bug?
olive hawk
probably but you can always just delete the clan
unique scaffold
True
strong comet
Clans are for good players
tame wharf
^^ that statement is quite....
uneven surge
le ebic
coarse harness
Waiting for 6.0 charts😇
wraith hornet
Hi, can any moderators pass on the word that after inciter said the logging on problem is fixed, I immediately had problems logging in on my iPad and Mac
cold ledge
Why do blitz have a balance discussion channel, lol
nimble zodiac
Because people refuse to choose the right channel. Now the Charioteer’s reload doesn’t have to be thaaat long
smoky yoke
8 seconds now right. That's good enough for 350-400 dmg with ap
oak hamlet
hi,conexion no solved pls. je n'arrive pas a me connecter sur le jeux
quick lichen
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grave bear
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unique scaffold
Hello
distant river
@red sphinx read what iraik just said, its not hard
quick lichen
Nah
fickle moon
I think the vk 100 P needs a small small buff
quick lichen
I agree completely
timid latch
Vk 100 P is good he have anothe targets
unique scaffold
they shouldn't have nerfed the armor on it at all
whole nebula
Is the muting really that necessary? But looking above there’s a comment about russian tanks being most effective if you face the enemy. Does that mean my new “goose” is an American russian game style? I’m not thinking so. Since most tanks have their armour at the front. Not sure what makes a russian tank better in some areas really, the long term balancing of this game seems to have ironedout the extreme advantage differences between most tanks in a number of ways. But can I get a vote to buff the lupus gun elevation? Lol I haven’t driven it in a long time,
unique scaffold
If 1v1
quick lichen
@whole nebula muted are for off topic comments
warped onyx
I think that the Charioteer needed a nerf but suspect that a +2 seconds on the reload and a HESH nerf was probably a little to harsh.
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floral rune
I can’t believe they nerfed the Charioteer but left the Challenger untouched. It’s the worst TD between tiers 6-10!
long goblet
Why are users being muted?
quick lichen
@long goblet off topic comments
tranquil nova
Charioteer’s nerf is a bit too much, I don’t think the tank is playable now or fun to play.
rose grove
Hey at least it's not braking the game
manic sundial
It still is playable very well
wet quail
Not for the majority of the playerbase it isn’t
remote pumice
You play charioteer?
tranquil nova
I used to the 6.5 reload time, trust me the feeling u get after such a HUGE nerf makes u hate the tank, now I prefer Conway all day.
rose grove
That happens every time something gets nerfed.
whole nebula
Yes, buff my lupus, need 2 degrees elevation lol
restive edge
Hi
crystal basin
Any1 Else feels like Kv5 would need some serious Love from wg?
lavish yew
or kv3
unique scaffold
KV-5 already got a ton of love seeing how R2D2 is now stupid strong for a "weak point"
KV-3 is still overbuffed from the whole buff tier 7 heavy cause muh Dracula
fathom urchin
@shell gyro ahahhaha
crystal basin
Yeah, It got ton of Love after r2d2. Now it cant pe penned by everything. Still, its weak on front, got huge points where To shoot. And wait, horrid gun in all aspects
meager spruce
I am going to be one of the nice people and I will say that I believe in you WG.
fiery flame
@last hazel English only please
grand knot
did someone say the charioteer nerf was too much?
unique scaffold
It was
grand knot
no it wasn't 😂😂 it had more or less an equivalent gun and dpm to the 4202 at tier 8
distant river
So you think its balenced how it is now?
unique scaffold
What would even be proposed to actually buff the KV-5?
Cause its amor profile, while still having weak spots, has the third best nominal thickness frontally, and the best side and rear armor of all tier 8 heavies. So that means it can play just like every other Soviet heavy ever, frontally yeah you can get bounces, but its uncompareable in a sodescraping position, and reverse sidescraping it's near almost OP. Unless you want just a wall of steel that just cant be penned or less weakspots, there are other tanks that are designed or build around doing that
Gun wise. It was one of the premium tier 8s period, just like the IS-6 it came with a low pen AP, Good APCR and higher DPM than a majority of other heavies. WG gave both those tanks a bit of a better chance thanks to the -1/+1 MM so they got higher pen guns, but in trade for having really good pen, it kicked their DPM to the curb to balance it. I personally still use and hold to the DPM guns of the tanks as that was part of their gimmick and provides something different from the tech tree and other premiums. The KV-5 DPM gun has the worst AP pen, yes no denying that. 162 mm of pen is anaemic for tier 8. Its APCR has an insane boost to 219 mm of pen, and that, even with the alpha reduction, keeps its DPM relatively high. And speaking of DPM, the KV-5 has the second best of the tier's heavies only beaten by the Caernarvon. 2169 base DPM even forces most mediums and TDs to choose their fights with a KV-5 much more carefully.
Mobility wise however, is totally not in its favor, it only has its top speed going for it, and well there are hundreds of videos of KV-5 ramming memes.
grand knot
If you insist on playing the charioteer then find a way to play with the nerfs. I didn't bother even getting it cuz I just knew a tier 8 like it was gonna get hardcore nerfed
distant river
Do you think it is balenced how it is now? @grand knot
lusty condor
Honestly challenger was as insane as the charioteer for its tier
grand knot
in terms of the skill level required to play it, it honestly isn't. But I could still work with it myself if I wanted to play it.
fathom hatch
hey
unique scaffold
I think Jg.Pz E100 is small l hope JP to be big then now
crystal basin
@unique scaffold just nothing Else than either few clicks Off from reload or seriously buff the Pen. 10s reload on that top gun in a sluggish heavy is way 2 much. And yes, only thing that is more than good is getting urself down the hill and look what ramming damage u done To some pray that (miracly) didnt see u coming 🤣Is6 has a horrid dpm, but armor is actually working better than Kv5, and that 400 alpha makes u a good punch. And u can actually hulldown with it 🤣 There are just more downsides than any other heavy in game At tier 7-9
crystal basin
It just dont make sence, how u can have gun from a medium, in a heavy and still having worse loading time. Even chinese tier 10s got it right, medium 8s and heavy 7.3
prime ermine
🤔
vapid bolt
Vk100 does need tender love - but gently. It's now like the fat kid on the block..
The R2D2/cupola and lower plate now make the fat boy just stand there and take a hit, hands on the sides like a monkey - after he's swinged his fist, slowly, in the general direction of the opponent.. He can punch with some bite in it (a fat boy can hit hard if he can hit with he's body's weight swinging behind he's fist.. Weight has it's strengths; but more often the downsides matter more.
The weaknesses now make it impossible to angle or hide the soft spots in any way but just pure luck. The only thing you really can do after moving the elephant/dinosaur to the front line and firing is to wait there for a quarter of a minute while on reload.. and need I say that you really can't peek-a-boom (the cupola is a slowly moving Eiffel tower) in a giant turtle, especially one that has a Coke can/oil barrel on it's back like a light house blinking 'shoot me' - alas very hard to really hide it in most places.. Others with such problems are justified add they tend to have an autoloader doing 460+460+460 DMG all fired in 4.2 seconds (yes, 2 tiers higher) As it isn't a Maus that depends more on the driver wether it can block damage the VK100 depends on the reds being noob/newbie/bad players that don't know (and are blind to the UI) where to shoot you to pen... Yes you can try to wiggle your gun pointing to the sky (like baseball ⚾ the reds shoot at you and you hit it with the gun barrel;)
Sorry for the rant - didn't mean to, just hoped to make point about it..
Challenger. I won't even start for now. Don't know many that like it, but most actually dislike.. it was worth it to grind, because you had the Charioteer to look forward for.. Was it really necessary to nerf it SO much that there's nothing.. Nothing to make the line more than a Chinese heavy line grind...
unique scaffold
So three things
One, notch the IS-6 and KV-5 have two guns, one no better than the other, both have either good DPM or Good pen, can’t have both
Two, IS-6 with the DPM gun has 2075 DPM... the third highest of the heavies
Three, the 107 is only mounted on heavies... so that’s a heavy gun. Plus the KV-5 has more DPM than the other mediums with close to the same caliber guns (ie 100 mm, 105 mm, and 122s)
quick lichen
That’s because the is6 is bad with either gun. Change my mind
prime ermine
Is6 is a good tank with the good gun
quick lichen
In comparison to what?
An is?
An is2?
Surely you don’t mean to say it’s better than the is5, is-3D, obj 252u
prime ermine
No no no lol ofc its better than is3 i think
wet quail
Who said it’s better?
thorn dagger
Yeah i disagree to that too. The is3 is WAY better than the is6. Flat and poor armor the best thing it has going for it is the gun and the gun alone. Its like a leo at tier 8 but WAY slower.
prime ermine
Me because if u are a gud player like me (i have 63%) lol u can ez win 1v1 an is3 with is6
grave bear
imo is6 is good, awful turret roof is not a problem since gets totally covered with a few degrees of depression, mobility is between tiger 2 and is3, still very agile. accuracy on the move is better than every other tier 8 IS, while in min accuracy is beaten by is3 .
DPM? there is basically no difference, 70% of tier 8 tanks have awful dpm compared to tiers 7, their advantage is alpha damage.
armor? works amazing vs med tanks since has strong lower plate and its also small, unlike the op 252u. sides are super super strong, i Just play it like a kuromm, enemies aim my side and i angle it = ez bounce, plus can also do an unpenetrable reverse sidescrape and decent sidescrape, really have no idea why ppl say its useless.
in comparison, there is a faster is5 with better but also no turret (with paper roof as well, but smaller and u have no way to cover it since is not flat), good sides? yeah but they're useless for sidescrape or anything else because you have paper armor behind tracks, then pike nose, which is actually as effective as IS-6 frontal armor, just a bit more trollish, then... the gun, worst bloom at tier 8 probably, i cant even keep is5 in my garage.
crystal basin
Yeah Kv5 has 107,meds got 100.and still the 100 is better in every aspect. 280 vs 310 alpha. Feels like nothing and Is6 is just fine as it is.
While driving is 5/6 People actually thinks and looks out for you. But driving Kv5, all just laughs At u, cos they know that u just drive huge metal Block that cant actually Hurt them, unless u drop over them. Some compares it To a tog, but even tog is stronger than Kv5 compared on +-1 tier. (ok Kv5 is godly armor if u are only 8 and no tds on enemy, what never happens)
Just waiting mad games for ramming fun, there is No other idea why Kv5 exists. 3 days ago I turned enemy Kv5 in swiss cheese in my predator?
clever void
In case it hasnt been said.. The +/- 5 RNG pene change was brilliant
grave bear
i never thought about kv5 has a good tank lol, just fat meme awful tank
young bridge
I want my t-44-100 buffed
queen mason
@young bridge the T-44-100 along with the T-44 would be nice
unique scaffold
STA-1? It's been power creeped pretty bad, it has 10 degrees of gun depression but no armour on the turret at all and a huge hatch on top, would be nice if it atleast had a gun mantlet like the Comet's
unique scaffold
Are there any dev's to chat with?
queen stag
I feel like the Foch 155 needs an accuracy buff even though i played it in close range. Change my mind.
violet sonnet
If ur gun isn’t touching reds, ur not close enough.
fathom hatch
HELLO
teal olive
@quick lichen the IS6 is a good tank. Always has been. You’re comparing it to something like a 252U. The stake you’ve risen for a good tank are too high. You’re comparing the good ol IS6 to broken tanks.
winged barn
The is6 is hard to beat as a dedicated tier 7 clubber. I dont think I have found a better tank for annihilating tier 7s