#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 133

summer mortar Jun 4, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Will the A-20 be receiving a penetration nerf?

obtuse sparrow Jun 4, 2019, 1:17 AM

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I prefer T57 Heavy because you can HE pen the side of an AMX 50 B pretty easily with a TD

unique scaffold Jun 4, 2019, 1:20 AM

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@summer mortar. Yes

twilit crystal Jun 4, 2019, 1:26 AM

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t57 heavy is just a glorified 183.

little crest Jun 4, 2019, 2:06 AM

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indeed. it is the 183 of heavies in tier X

supple jolt Jun 4, 2019, 2:16 AM

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but it needs 5 seconds or longer depending on if you need to aim to dump out all it's damage while the 183 only needs a few seconds to aim

unique scaffold Jun 4, 2019, 4:21 AM

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@summer mortar down to 50 iirc

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Lol

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Will the kv1S get a better reload time

indigo knot Jun 4, 2019, 4:44 AM

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Nope...its good enough as it is currently

grizzled sleet Jun 4, 2019, 5:04 AM

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God I hope not

violet sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 5:04 AM

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@unique scaffold Singh Sab russians nu ta randavo

unique scaffold Jun 4, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Is there any chance that Calvary's getting an HE buff?

dense glade Jun 4, 2019, 6:22 AM

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@unique scaffold wait for the mad games.where the kv1s gets the battle coordinator ability where you can significantly reduce the reload time,and its the best time to harvest exp for the IS.

gilded pivot Jun 4, 2019, 6:48 AM

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IDK where to put this so it'll go here... WG Devs could u add the shell velocity stats to the garage? Cheers

iron lynx Jun 4, 2019, 6:50 AM

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Invisible KV-1S with a 122mm nuke launcher is best tank in mad games lol

jagged helm Jun 4, 2019, 7:36 AM

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wg please rework ffa game duration. We never have time to finish a game when the situation is close like in 1v3

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7mins is really really not enough

deft willow Jun 4, 2019, 7:57 AM

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Wargaming has ruined the game. Rlly putting the udes and pantera in premium tanks. Money hoarders

humble spear Jun 4, 2019, 7:58 AM

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@deft willow You sure about that?

jagged helm Jun 4, 2019, 8:08 AM

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many times im in 1v3 1v4

Its everytime winnable, i kill 2 guys, but not time to kill the last one. Even for an afk

crisp moss Jun 4, 2019, 8:09 AM

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Hi I need tier 6 platoon mate

unique scaffold Jun 4, 2019, 8:13 AM

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@crisp moss #502019319417405441

coarse harness Jun 4, 2019, 8:57 AM

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The 12 km/h reverse speed on the T57 is painful

empty ice Jun 4, 2019, 9:35 AM

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@jagged helm you should play world of warships blitz. It is rare for everyone to die

carmine pawn Jun 4, 2019, 9:43 AM

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But the game is slow

arctic sluice Jun 4, 2019, 10:20 AM

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@supple thistle but t44 have more armor on turret? Is it?

supple thistle Jun 4, 2019, 10:22 AM

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The T44 has the worst turret of the three, the only thing it has that the other 2 don't is more gun depression

deft willow Jun 4, 2019, 10:26 AM

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@humble spear yep. The autoreloading mechanic will break the game

humble spear Jun 4, 2019, 10:29 AM

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no no no, I mean the UDES and Pantera being premium tanks.

unique scaffold Jun 4, 2019, 11:17 AM

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+cat

deft willow Jun 4, 2019, 1:02 PM

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@humble spear yep their corresponding tech tree tanks will be added aswell. Just like the 30 B

humble spear Jun 4, 2019, 1:25 PM

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I seriously doubt Wargaming will put both the progetto mod 46 and P44 pantera as premium tanks, same case for the UDES and Strv S1.

sullen vault Jun 4, 2019, 1:28 PM

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I highly doubt that too because the solution they can create by making those premuims is have them be from the wg nation like dracula.however if we actually put it into thought.Making whole new provisions,camos,and mechanic for just making them premuim is pretty dumb

dusky oxide Jun 4, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Type 59 was the only chinese tank for a long time and it had its own nation, just no filter for it in garage. Then the same for type 62. Im surprised the strv 7-something wasnt made swedish.

sullen vault Jun 4, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Tanks like progetto and strv s1 maybe,but not the other two

empty copper Jun 4, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Just putting it out there - the presence of multiple WZ-120-1 G FT in about half of games is really spoiling enjoyment. When there's one or more on both sides it renders the other 8-10 tanks almost irrelevant as most of the damage and kills will end up with the WZs and tree other tanks are just there to feed them.

summer mortar Jun 4, 2019, 3:03 PM

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WarGaming Can't Nerf Premiums, they could get sued for it so they dont!

quick lichen Jun 4, 2019, 3:06 PM

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They 100% can nerf premiums

twilit crystal Jun 4, 2019, 3:07 PM

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thats what they say in their contract but EU legal law overrides that

gaunt coyote Jun 4, 2019, 3:10 PM

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It is strange that 121B is on the bottom when it comes to WR🤔. I mean like the tank feels better than the regular 121 IMO. 🤷

quick lichen Jun 4, 2019, 3:10 PM

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What happens if blitz stops?

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Do I get a virtual copy of a premium tank?

summer mortar Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 PM

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@quick lichen they cant, when they nerfed the type 59 it didn't end well. If they could nerf premiums, they would because an overwhelming amount of people call for nerfs on prems nowadays, but nothing happens, but when a few people call for a nerf on a tech tree tank, WG dosent even hesitate.

quick lichen Jun 4, 2019, 3:15 PM

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They have the ability to do so

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They choose not to

atomic hound Jun 4, 2019, 3:19 PM

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The day wg nerfs premiums will be the day their sales plummet. If they ever want to re-balance the game, they'll just have to buff everything up to the level of the most powerful premium at that tier... The issue is that this in of itself would break the game, so it's never gonna happen.

quick lichen Jun 4, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Premium -> collector tank

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Nerf the collector tank

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200 iq

summer mortar Jun 4, 2019, 3:29 PM

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i miss old wot but its not coming back, but it sickens me that so many people have accepted the game for what it is.

wet quail Jun 4, 2019, 4:00 PM

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I don’t know why, what else can you do?

atomic hound Jun 4, 2019, 4:25 PM

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@quick lichen or so we thought. If wg was planning to do that to premiums to rebalance their game, they'd have done it already. Instead, they just sold their most overpowered tank again.

True, but look at the outrage that sparked from that tiny change to the t34. Nobody's calling that tank crazy overpowered.

quick lichen Jun 4, 2019, 4:26 PM

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Clearly it’s a balance

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They pick the wrong tank and it’s an outrage

deft owl Jun 4, 2019, 4:31 PM

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no need to nerf premiums. Buff tech tree tanks.

quick lichen Jun 4, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Way more work

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Wayyyyyy more work

atomic hound Jun 4, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Wouldn't work, just think about it. For example, the wz 120 1g ft does literally everything you ask of it. Buffing everything up to that level would ruin the variety completely.

orchid grove Jun 4, 2019, 4:36 PM

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They already tried that approach with tier VII. And tier VII is still a balance cesspool @deft owl

deft owl Jun 4, 2019, 4:41 PM

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@orchid grove That happened because they only tried to buff only tier 7. Op premiums are not only in tier 7.

violet sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 4:58 PM

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well tier6 thru 8 are affected by the problem of OP tier7

sullen vault Jun 4, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Especially t6

shut depot Jun 4, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Wz120 ft is way too op armour is troll as heck way too much camo and excellent gun it's impossible to win against it 1 vs 1 I really playing tier 8 now there is like wz 120 platoons and it ends up with the platoon doing 6k damage completely destroying the opponent team tier 7 tanks are useless against it is completely broken and they just decided to sell it again 😑😕

wet quail Jun 4, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Too bad

dusky oxide Jun 4, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Nothing new, nothing surprising

indigo knot Jun 4, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Well most the new premium tanks like wz120ft scorpion g wz112-2 252u....all of them are way better than the tech tree as well as better than the previous premiums ....so simply play Isu152 ....blast them with bl10....or Lowe ....its also Op....can go up against those new hts....bar wzft td.....it is tier 9 tank

violet sonnet Jun 4, 2019, 5:24 PM

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take durp guns for example ... starts with kv2 at tier6 affects tier 5 to 7. ... smasher then takes the baton and then affects to tier6-8
and tier7 gets both of these durp tanks that are then combined with SU-152 ..to make paper tanks like t20 which doesnt really have speed to run away. mediums like this (panther 1 from bushkas video) and couple more like these are pain to get thru for a climbing player

deft owl Jun 4, 2019, 5:28 PM

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Still however by nerfing op premiums balance can be done better. Since nerfing premium is not an possible option buffing tech tree is the only way.

shut depot Jun 4, 2019, 5:33 PM

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@indigo knot I could use them but I was talking about grinding through tier 7 to 9 those tanks don't stand a chance

grave bear Jun 4, 2019, 5:44 PM

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so that's the real armor highlight for is4, totally unpenetrable except 1 super small 50mm plate in the lower side, gg nice balance

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deft owl Jun 4, 2019, 5:56 PM

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lol

sullen vault Jun 4, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Looks like a leopard one looking at it with Ap

wet quail Jun 4, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Lucky I’ve got it then, wonder how wz 120ft will look

fringe summit Jun 4, 2019, 6:43 PM

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@wet quail Full red on the front I guess. And so does the SuperPershing

charred bobcat Jun 4, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Leo 1 AP shell using rammer facing the front of an angled is4. Nothing wrong about that.

unique scaffold Jun 4, 2019, 7:08 PM

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the FV4005 isint the only AT class tank that has a auloader gun!!!! check the AT7 tier 7 brithis td that has a autoloader WG is lying by saying that is the only at with a autoloader (fv4005 for is class)

deft owl Jun 4, 2019, 7:21 PM

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@charred bobcat Nothing wrong? So are you telling me angling in is-4 that makes you impenetrable which is okay? Is spamming prammo is okay?

ivory fractal Jun 4, 2019, 7:24 PM

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@unique scaffold English only here

charred bobcat Jun 4, 2019, 7:26 PM

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I never said that. You're implying that mediums should be able to butter angled heavy tanks FRONTALLY with AP rounds at leveled ground (town). Is the Leo using any of it's strengths to fight the IS4? No, it's not. There's nothiing wrong with that armor highlight. @deft owl
Also, I don't care if people spam premium ammo. They can choose to have damage drop off for some extra pen. Credits aren't an issue for me and all I play is tier 10. 🤷

deft owl Jun 4, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Is4 isnt suppose to bounce just by angling. Maus is.

wet quail Jun 4, 2019, 7:42 PM

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No one?

charred bobcat Jun 4, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Given the conditions that the Leo 1 is in town facing an angled IS4 head on, then yes it is. And for the record, I don't care that the IS4 has armor, but in my opinion, it should get a bit of a mobility nerf.

grizzled sleet Jun 4, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Needs a armour nerf on top plate, about 10-15mm nerf

fluid light Jun 4, 2019, 8:14 PM

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I think the only tank that can pen .the 252U is the JG Tier X with pramo...from what I heard

quick lichen Jun 4, 2019, 8:15 PM

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You shouldn’t be shooting the upper plate

grizzled sleet Jun 4, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Oh I see this ending in a RIP

jade cargoBOT Jun 4, 2019, 8:27 PM

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dynoSuccess JhonDoe111#1326 has been warned.

wet quail Jun 4, 2019, 8:31 PM

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You don’t pen the upper plate with literally any tank with any ammo lol

zenith holly Jun 4, 2019, 8:35 PM

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XD

deft owl Jun 4, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Obj 252u upper plate is stronger then is7. nominal armor thickness is 20mm less but efective armor is more due to better angle.

nimble zodiac Jun 4, 2019, 9:18 PM

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The only way the IS-7 can beat the 252U in a hug is by shooting cupola

quick lichen Jun 4, 2019, 9:20 PM

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But they’ll never meet each other 🤦🏼‍♂️

elfin heath Jun 4, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Don't hug the 252U. It had a rough childhood and may shank you. When will people figure out that there is more than one place to shoot a tank? The sides, rear, and the lower front plate are all vulnerable on the 252U. Don't rush head long at it.

safe canopy Jun 4, 2019, 9:39 PM

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well failtooning exists

crystal spoke Jun 4, 2019, 9:40 PM

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He probably ment in a natural match

wet quail Jun 4, 2019, 9:48 PM

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How? It’s no different to the normal pz 4

crystal spoke Jun 4, 2019, 9:51 PM

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A few stats are even better

📎 Screenshot_20190327-154002_Samsung_Internet.jpg

deft owl Jun 4, 2019, 10:31 PM

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@crystal spoke Pz 4 g has better armor.

crystal spoke Jun 4, 2019, 10:32 PM

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Yeah that's why I said a few stats

harsh smelt Jun 4, 2019, 11:08 PM

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The panther and panther 2 sucks

arctic sluice Jun 4, 2019, 11:17 PM

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@harsh smelt i think not

deft owl Jun 4, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Panther 2 needs buff

unique scaffold Jun 4, 2019, 11:33 PM

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hi

grizzled sleet Jun 5, 2019, 12:36 AM

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It's not that tall, and it has a worse camo on firing than the jageroo (just edit your message @runic timber)

runic timber Jun 5, 2019, 12:36 AM

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My jageroo doesn’t get as spotted as easily

elder mountain Jun 5, 2019, 12:42 AM

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Are we in maintenance cause it keeps on asking to update it but it already is

elder mountain Jun 5, 2019, 1:00 AM

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Updates out

covert fjord Jun 5, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Hello

orchid grove Jun 5, 2019, 1:53 AM

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Going live with day 1 gameplay of British TDs! Link here: https://youtu.be/0PuBuHw_XuQ

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New British TDs Day 1 gameplay!

▶ Play video

grizzled sleet Jun 5, 2019, 1:56 AM

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Bruh

gleaming cape Jun 5, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Rip wotb

wet remnant Jun 5, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Any devs here?
I need help.

lost sinew Jun 5, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Dear game devs, is there anything you can do right? So much testing just to be releasing an update that will crash a game?

dull vortex Jun 5, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Whem my turret explose, my game crash, is normal?

deft owl Jun 5, 2019, 2:15 AM

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Good news to everyone. Cheiftain t/95 armor didnt changed.

twilit crystal Jun 5, 2019, 2:20 AM

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@orchid grove wow charioteer BROKE

graceful copper Jun 5, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Gravedigger pretty balance :/

pseudo patrol Jun 5, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Moo

normal verge Jun 5, 2019, 4:01 AM

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Gravedigger isn't that op

tiny delta Jun 5, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Add the derp gun to FV4005

twilit crystal Jun 5, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Bushka says panther power creepd and he wants 250 alpha panther. Thats called the t-34-1

graceful copper Jun 5, 2019, 4:33 AM

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gravedigger for some light tank 100damage or higher per shot

old flower Jun 5, 2019, 4:43 AM

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If he wants a 250 dmg gun, use the 88 on it.

teal olive Jun 5, 2019, 4:49 AM

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Or use a tank that isn’t total crap. Bushka is right though. It’s pretty embarrassing when all of these real life tanks that brought people into the game are just demolished by fantasy tanks like helsings, Dracula’s, and smashers. It’s downright ridiculous and wargaming will never stop this nonsense. I realize that they need to make money, I really do understand. However, there must be a way to make a good profit without killing your game. They’ll stop making a profit in the long term if they don’t fix some things.

unique scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 4:53 AM

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This isn't war thunder. You want realism, you go play that game

nimble zodiac Jun 5, 2019, 5:11 AM

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@graceful copper avg dmg for Grave is 90

twilit rain Jun 5, 2019, 5:54 AM

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The game description says WW2 tanks with a modern twist

teal olive Jun 5, 2019, 5:54 AM

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I don’t want realism! But I don’t want tons of pay to win tanks power creeping the heck out of every other tech tree tank. It’s sad and embarrassing

wheat ferry Jun 5, 2019, 6:00 AM

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Buff centurion action x please

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and nerf the grille 15 damage when it hits an ammo rack

indigo knot Jun 5, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Charioteer needs nerf
It has better rate of fire than Fv4202 and tier for tier better pen same as rhm Ap pen on hesh

unique scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 6:47 AM

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?? It just came out

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Quick question will the t25 ever be an auto loader because it is a auto loader in the pc edition im just curious plz dont bite my head off im seriously just curious

lunar ruin Jun 5, 2019, 7:30 AM

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So did they touch the T34 or not?! Can’t find any info about that anywhere

mild kindle Jun 5, 2019, 8:04 AM

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@wheat ferry >wanting to nerf grille 15
also you do realize other 15cm guns also do the same ammo rack damage (if not more) as the grille 15? why do you want to even nerf it in the first place. the grille is sad enough already
and also cent action x isnt even in the game yet so i have no clue what are you talking about

Talking about the grille, one thing i want to know is why the 75mm HE pen. Every single other 15cm gun gets better HE pen. KV2 with 86, waffle with 85, borsig with 85, Foch, 268, e3,e4 90mm of HE pen. the 263 with a 130mm gets 75mm of HE pen too. dont WG think that its a little sad that grille HE pen is so little? (#buffgrille)

lunar ruin Jun 5, 2019, 8:15 AM

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agreed

thick rover Jun 5, 2019, 9:03 AM

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One doesn't need to play war thunder to get realistic gameplay there is nothing wrong with asking a little more realism in this game
Yea grille HE pen buff is an interesting perspective I've never seen anyone justify a buff in that way XD but your argument makes sense

gilded lake Jun 5, 2019, 10:12 AM

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Can we get a retreat in game chat button?

drowsy sable Jun 5, 2019, 11:14 AM

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please provide additional time 5 days for the 121B premium tank, I don't have money to buy gold
Pls dev read the text

tranquil mountain Jun 5, 2019, 11:14 AM

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Why is the Sherman firefly still an elite vehicle when there is other tanks to collect you guys did that with the Chinese tank destroyers

proud cape Jun 5, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Matchmaking should be fixed tho. Balance the teams out on the basis of their stats. Then it all depends on who's more skilled

unique scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 11:29 AM

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@proud cape. That is already how it is. The most skilled players win. If you ain't winning, it isn't because of the matchmakers

shy wren Jun 5, 2019, 11:30 AM

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Also, this channel isn’t meant for discussing matchmaker balance (It’s pretty solid), rather it’s more to do with tanks.
Read the pinned messages in this channel

unique scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 11:32 AM

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And what he said ☝️

civic halo Jun 5, 2019, 11:55 AM

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Please buff the IS3 defender’s accuracy. It’s absolutely abominable. Front armor has some serious gaps , too.

queen mason Jun 5, 2019, 12:00 PM

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Dude the IS-3D doesn’t need a buff.. I don’t think you’re playing it right..

fiery flame Jun 5, 2019, 12:06 PM

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Does anyone think that the STB1 deserves a buff of some kind. I played a few games in it and I think it’s mediocre in every aspect.

Buff the armour of the turret or maybe the mobility or the gun, I really don’t know. Just seems somewhat underpowered in its current state.

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 12:15 PM

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The T62a needs another buff? Buff number 4? 5? 😂

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I’d like to see the STB get a little turret buff

atomic hound Jun 5, 2019, 12:17 PM

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STB could maybe (?) Use a little touch just to put it on par with the patton (or give the Patton a tiny nerf?)
The fv and Leo are both fine
I'd like to see the STB with the best view range, rather than joint best with the patton tbh. The Patton already has the turret, I don't see why it should have top view range too

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 12:17 PM

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Make it more reliable without being completely broken

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Honestly the leopard 1 turret can troll harder than the stb at times

unique scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 12:20 PM

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I wouldn't mind a 4202 buff

indigo knot Jun 5, 2019, 12:22 PM

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I would love to see Leo1 buffed

atomic hound Jun 5, 2019, 12:28 PM

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Only tier 10 that truly needs a buff rn is the grille 15.

civic halo Jun 5, 2019, 12:52 PM

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@queen mason always possible, lol, but the gun handling is just atrocious in IS3D. I give plenty of aim time etc, but way more than other ISs with 122mm it goes errant.

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 12:55 PM

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I don’t usually aim in my is tanks and they work just fine that way

quick crown Jun 5, 2019, 12:55 PM

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@fiery flame Basically every Jap tank in the blitz tech tree

atomic hound Jun 5, 2019, 12:55 PM

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The frontal armour is flat out better than the is3, for some reason it gets 7° of gun depression to better allow it to hide the hull anyway, and you're asking for a buff to it?

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 12:55 PM

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As ridiculous as that sounds, you want to be 150m away max

weary cove Jun 5, 2019, 12:57 PM

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@quick lichen i think i find a bug/clitch every time if i kill a M7 with my leopard his turret fly in the air when i haven't ammorekt him

slender wedge Jun 5, 2019, 12:59 PM

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Its because you have many rounds to shoot, so the last shot will be within the last 3 % of tank HP

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 12:59 PM

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It’s not a bug

noble chasm Jun 5, 2019, 12:59 PM

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Where is bugs report?

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 12:59 PM

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And __SC0RP1ON🇳🇱🔥[-ST1NG/ESA<3-] is correct

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What server are you on

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@noble chasm

queen mason Jun 5, 2019, 1:00 PM

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@civic halo The IS-3D isn’t meant for long range really. It’s a russian heavy tank with an autoloading gun so it’s obvious the aim wouldn’t be as good but if you were to buff it’s aim, that would completely unbalance the tank as it would have good decent or mid accuracy and good armor, also the armor on the is-3d is supposed to be like that so you can’t do anything about it unless wg does something.

civic halo Jun 5, 2019, 1:16 PM

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@queen mason hmmm. When’s last time you played it? Not asking for it to be buffed till broken. Looking for some parity. By slightly reducing dispersion, aim or load time — any of those, not all. Seriously there are some truly baffling misses and bounces. Anyway we’re in the realm of differing opinions, and I appreciate your thoughts. I’d like WG to take a look at its gun handling and front armor config.

queen mason Jun 5, 2019, 1:19 PM

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@civic halo I’ve never played the IS-3D but I can imagine in my head if I play it with a play style of passive, aggressive and a heavy. I can do some really good work in it, i’ve the IS-3 for example and it has no autoloader but shares the same traits and I can say it’s a little power creeped in terms of the gun but if you know how to play heavy tanks like me. I found it easy to play the IS-3D even without a real game in it.

slender wedge Jun 5, 2019, 1:19 PM

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Actually its just russion troll gun.. its perfectly balanced. No need to buff. (I have it and know what im talking about)

clever void Jun 5, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Let us pray that WGing leaves Charioteer alone as it is. Everyone bow their heads now and think of Stalin

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 1:22 PM

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@civic halo I have it. If you’re aiming for a long time, you’re too far away

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@gilded lake that has nothing to do with tank balance

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IS-3D is supposed to get up close and personal

civic halo Jun 5, 2019, 1:29 PM

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@quick lichen practical advice. Thank you. I’ve got 400+ games and 56%+ wr in it. Penjamin— thanks, but I’m comparing it to other IS’s and you haven’t driven it. So???

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 1:30 PM

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273 games and 76%

queen mason Jun 5, 2019, 1:31 PM

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@civic halo can we discuss this later? I have to fix a bad pipe.

civic halo Jun 5, 2019, 1:55 PM

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@queen mason I’m good. Good luck with that pipe. The IS3-D has a bad pipe too. It’s about 122mm diameter and you can find it in front of the turret.

unique scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Hey I have the leopard pro in stock what should I research firts? The barrel the engine or the turret

clever void Jun 5, 2019, 2:19 PM

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It’s a hard choice. Both aspects of it are very hard to deal with

tacit mulch Jun 5, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Anything happen to the T-150?

quartz steeple Jun 5, 2019, 2:26 PM

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@unique scaffold gun as at least it ll increase dmg done to enemies

buoyant sparrow Jun 5, 2019, 2:47 PM

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<@&481447501690568709> why I cant join a game and the ping point is red

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 2:48 PM

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A few things

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We don’t work for WG

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There have been hundreds of bug reports so far

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And this channel is for tank balance discussion

queen stag Jun 5, 2019, 2:48 PM

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emm i just wanted to mention that the new Speed boost consumable for the new Brits TD is kinda unbalanced

atomic hound Jun 5, 2019, 2:51 PM

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The other 2 are just as bad. Wg knew this and did it anyway though, saying that they'll do it for the other nations eventually too. Nobody wanted this.

unique scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 2:52 PM

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I disagree

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I think the speed boost is fine

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 2:54 PM

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It’s unfair to give it only to one line of tanks

unique scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Reticle calibration looks more useful on paper than it actually is. It’s definitely risky going down to 1 repair kit in exchange for two consumables

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Make it available for ever tank and then it’s fine

unique scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 2:55 PM

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That’s fair. But I don’t see them making a game breaking difference in favor of the Brit TDs

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 2:55 PM

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There’s no reason the give the new Brit tds custom consumables while no other tans get them

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That’s garbage

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If every tank 7-10 had their own version then fine

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Like mad games

unique scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 2:55 PM

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I know why they did it

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Wanted people to grind the line

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Or better yet Free XP the line

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Kappa

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 2:56 PM

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People were always going to grind it

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This is just a cash grab on top of it

unique scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 2:56 PM

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Eh but I think the new consumables add an extra incentive

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Not saying it’s right

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 2:56 PM

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It’s not right

unique scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 2:56 PM

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But WG are masters of marketing

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 2:57 PM

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The he provision alone would have been fine for just the fv line

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OR better yet. What if that was an equipment that replaced the +4% armor

fringe summit Jun 5, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Wow thats actually very cool, a leopard always blows of a turret from a tier 4 tank

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Way more logical place for it

atomic hound Jun 5, 2019, 3:01 PM

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Very true that @quick lichen

These consumables should never have existed has been my position since I first heard about it months ago.
Edit:
I'd kinda agree and disagree with that, the autoloader one is op. I guarantee you'll agree next time you in a Russian med fluff a shot against an fv and get hit 3 times for 1380 before you reload, even with adrenaline.

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 3:02 PM

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The consumables might not be op by themselves, but it’s the fact that only one line gets them that makes them advantageous

mellow cape Jun 5, 2019, 3:03 PM

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yeah the consumables are just incredibly biased

severe heron Jun 5, 2019, 3:46 PM

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remove FV 183 form this game and replace it with something because it just makes random battles feel slow and boring and ofc that gun that you soo called nerfed is soo dam bull $h!t or if not removeing it just nerf it soo much that all that crapy 183 players cry cuz you made their "noob" tank bad; btw you litle $h!t that is going to coplain stfu ˇˇˇˇˇ

torn cliff Jun 5, 2019, 3:55 PM

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They actually added mad games equipments xddd
+50% speed boost ??

What's next -
New equipment for other nations ??
+50% dmg
xddd

unique scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Always beta wotb

cyan summit Jun 5, 2019, 4:12 PM

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i don't know where to write that, but do you plan to introduce mark of excellence?

white vessel Jun 5, 2019, 4:13 PM

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Pure balance

📎 Screenshot_20190605-175511.jpg

mystic gorge Jun 5, 2019, 4:45 PM

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Charioteer just by looking at its statistics is hella busted

shut depot Jun 5, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Paper armour as heck everybody can He it frontally bad concealment and very bad credit maker especially with hesh

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 4:52 PM

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@unique scaffold why tag us all

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This 1: has nothing to do with this channel

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2: moderators don’t work for wg

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3: they can’t do anything over discord lol

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4: submit a ticket like a normal person

pseudo patrol Jun 5, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Lolol

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 4:53 PM

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If you haven’t noticed, there are hundreds of bug reports currently

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You’re not the only one

torn cliff Jun 5, 2019, 4:54 PM

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Submit a ticket like a normal person lol

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 4:54 PM

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Just look around this discord

fringe summit Jun 5, 2019, 4:58 PM

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The fv4005 has 3000 avg dmg and 61% wr...

📎 Screenshot_20190605-185727_Samsung_Internet.jpg

mystic gorge Jun 5, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Yes cuz all the people that have it rn r above average players and/or unicums. Of course it has high stats rn

echo solar Jun 5, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Well you

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 5:07 PM

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@unique scaffold once again. Go to the correct channel

unique scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 5:11 PM

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and what is the right channel ? @quick lichen

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 5:12 PM

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What server are you on

echo solar Jun 5, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Can wargaming buff the Fv4005 like please please like it has bad pen for it HE at t10 and has crap armor

meager spruce Jun 5, 2019, 5:17 PM

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And yet it will be one of the meta platoon tier 10 tanks imo

pseudo patrol Jun 5, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Lol true

supple thistle Jun 5, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Good HE pen on an autoloader seems like a bad idea and bad armor is just a given for autoloaders

olive hawk Jun 5, 2019, 5:27 PM

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@fringe summit I think a lot of that is from testers who should be super unicums

fringe summit Jun 5, 2019, 5:33 PM

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I have already seen some of them in battle... @olive hawk

charred bobcat Jun 5, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Those stats are due to top clans receiving 4005 for testing lol

haughty narwhal Jun 5, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Balanced

📎 Screenshot_20190605-135251_YouTube_Vanced.jpg

charred bobcat Jun 5, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Nickace is known to be one of the best players in the game. If you want to show how unbalanced a tank is, show it from the perspective of an average unicum as compared to their other tier 8 stats, not from a player who can do well in every tank and can use the strengths of a tank that an average unicum can't.

cyan summit Jun 5, 2019, 6:57 PM

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that's still a t8 with a better gun than the fv4202

clever void Jun 5, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Ya. He has those numbers in other tanks as well. This pic has no real point

wispy fog Jun 5, 2019, 7:14 PM

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Hey <@&481447501690568709> @WG @Supporters

quick lichen Jun 5, 2019, 7:17 PM

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@wispy fog yes?

teal olive Jun 5, 2019, 7:42 PM

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@haughty narwhal lmao the same guy has neaely 3K average damage in the crappy version of T44... of course he’ll have great stats in charioteer.

queen hemlock Jun 5, 2019, 7:42 PM

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@fringe summit it's only been out for less than a day. You can't balance of one day of games

deft owl Jun 5, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Charioteer has crappy camo ratings.

haughty narwhal Jun 5, 2019, 7:55 PM

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@charred bobcat actually, that's not entirely true. If you looked at his stats in tier 8, even in the broken/OP Chinese TD (wz120), he only have 3k avg dmg. Then if you dive deeper and look around some more, you will notice that no other tank has a WR as close to that tank (98%). Closest one is (88% with 2.3k avg dmg) on Panther 2. So I just proved it from a "best player" comparing these stats to the rest of his tier 8s. Now if you watched the stream (and understand Russian), you would hear how much joy he gets from the OPness of the tank and he admits, "it's not broken /s"

So the picture actually has a point @clever void, but you fail you see it.

@teal olive Last time he played "crappy" T44 was in 2017... things were a bit different. But that still doesn't discredit how "great" of a tank that is.

And finally, don't get me wrong... I'm loving this new tier 8 machine. At least it gives me some satisfaction spanking all the pay to win WZ120 nubs and other tier 8/7 premium juke. It increased their butthurt that their $50 smasher or WZ is having difficulty keeping up with my free tank. So my verdict, leave it to keep the other OP trash in line. As more nubs figure out how to play against this tank, stats will even out. But no doubt the nerf hammer is brewing.

charred bobcat Jun 5, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Blaze WZ op too with his 98% win rate? I'm not saying Charioteer isn't OP, but your argument just isn't valid.

clever void Jun 5, 2019, 8:01 PM

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I fully agree with ur last point. I’m worried that they will nerf it by next update

haughty narwhal Jun 5, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Blaze WZ with 2.3k (slightly higher than avg unicum). If it was 98% WR with 2.9k dmg, then yeah it would be op. WR isn't too difficult to maintain at tier 7, esp with a toon.

Him, soloing tier 8 tank with highest wr and dmg for his tier 8s. Not sure what you're arguing then @charred bobcat

charred bobcat Jun 5, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Ufpnjh can 4k average in the AMX 30 B, is that tank OP? No it's not. He just knows how to exploit the tank in a way that regular unicums can't. You can't use the highest tier player to determine if a tank is "OP". That is why WG uses data from 55-65% players, not the 70%+ players.

grave bear Jun 5, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Tortoise got an hidden armor buff.

clever void Jun 5, 2019, 8:12 PM

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really!? ARe u sure ur not just seeing the -+ 5 change now? With this in mind Im finding that The IS-5 has much better armour on its front upper plate then usual

haughty narwhal Jun 5, 2019, 8:18 PM

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Sure I can. Ufpnjh, or Ivan, averages 4k in many tier X tanks, even higher in some. So the fact that he has 4k in the 30B means that that tank is on par for the tier. If he avg 4.5k with stupid high WR, I would say it's broken. But when Nickace, can't avg 3.5k with 98% in any other tank in tier 8, esp the WZ120, that just goes to show how OP it is.

Compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges. Then you'll catch the point my friend.

charred bobcat Jun 5, 2019, 8:27 PM

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I don't think you understand my point. Ufpnjh can do 4k in the AMX 30 B, but a regular unicum could hardly get 2.8k in it. A regular unicum can do 3.2k in an Obj.268 while Ufpnjh can do 4k in it. You're using the top 0.0001% of the playerbase to determine if a tank is "balanced" or not.

unique scaffold Jun 5, 2019, 8:46 PM

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The Charioteer is madly Overpowered. The gun is just taken from a T10 derp tank, it can have .12 accuracy the DPM is 3.2k with APCR which is damn fast, teh HESH is brutal, over 3.8k dpm, you can be protected vs HE in a lightly armored tank, its fairly mobile, it has 70% camo value... in the few games i have played, i got two masterys and im over 3.5k avg. i would normally have that on t9s or T10s.

clever void Jun 5, 2019, 8:56 PM

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SInce more competent players are logging on im haveing real trouble staying alive in it. It dies really fast ... We will have to let the numbers even out until we decide

white vessel Jun 5, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Charioteer is stupidly overpowered

wet quail Jun 5, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Doesn’t seem hard to beat as far as I’m concerned

orchid grove Jun 5, 2019, 9:28 PM

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@fringe summit That's because those are the stats of the testers; so the only people that had it until yesterday were only players from top clans

violet sonnet Jun 5, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Well would u let it be pls.. leave 1 good paper tank out there will ya.

indigo knot Jun 5, 2019, 9:42 PM

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I guess only pre nerfed Rhm borsig was such high ceiling tank ...though it had less dpm

reef dune Jun 5, 2019, 11:12 PM

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andybrachydios13[-MM]Today at 5:51 PM
I have my rus acc

twilit crystal Jun 5, 2019, 11:19 PM

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Although the rhm borsig took place before every heavy tank used optics

orchid grove Jun 6, 2019, 12:00 AM

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@twilit crystal Yah, it was a perfect storm for the Borsig; broken spawn climbs, binocs, heavy tanks not using optics, etc....

twilit crystal Jun 6, 2019, 12:02 AM

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I think charioteer would be more OP with RAmmer,binocs,Camo net than RHM in the old meta

wet remnant Jun 6, 2019, 12:50 AM

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I mostly play with Russian tanks like kv-1,
But I like the Japanese heavy ones,
And I wanted to get them,
Till I found they were not there.

Does it add on other GB to the game if they add Japanese heavies?

twilit crystal Jun 6, 2019, 12:56 AM

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i wouldnt mind japanese heavies without derp. Probably wouldnt grind em but give the nubs something. I don't see em coming either but wouldn't care as long as no derp

quick lichen Jun 6, 2019, 12:58 AM

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I just don’t see them coming here ever

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Maybe others do

crystal spoke Jun 6, 2019, 1:01 AM

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What about armoured cars? In the distant future? Do you think they could be balance ablem

Theres a few things theve added that weren't created

Let's go to #general-blitz-discussion
@wet remnant

wet remnant Jun 6, 2019, 1:01 AM

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Lol, that'd be interesting to see.
I wonder if they could add some small tanks that are not created.
I'd like to see what they create.

fringe wind Jun 6, 2019, 1:16 AM

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Hello

echo solar Jun 6, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Wargaming if your reading this, please buff and I mean BUFF the Fv4005 because it has bad armor, and bad 65 pen for it HE rounds, and I’m no satisfied with it but I wish I was satisfied but I’m not.

twilit crystal Jun 6, 2019, 2:05 AM

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yeah I fully concur charioteer is broke. But keep it broke against IS spam

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tbh im debating if the chariotere is more OP in the hands of a good player than a wz 120

clever mauve Jun 6, 2019, 2:22 AM

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Possibly

clever void Jun 6, 2019, 2:24 AM

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I would say it is. But the WZ is much more forgiving of mistakes to newer players. Lots of new players really suck in WZ120. It also needs some experience to operate

orchid grove Jun 6, 2019, 2:25 AM

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@echo solar Uh, have you even played the 4005? It's broken OP

twilit crystal Jun 6, 2019, 2:35 AM

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The Charioteers gun handling is so NICE. Yeah challenger is quite bad. It has the worst td dpm with bad alpha dmg and AWFUL gun handling. Has like highest dpm by 1.2k dmg when USING HESH in tier 8

deft owl Jun 6, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Is challenger is quite weak? Dpm is really lacking in this thing.

twilit crystal Jun 6, 2019, 2:46 AM

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I expect a nerf in 2 months for the charioter because skill players rekt pubbies despite the fact pubbies will utterly fail in it so its overall balanced

thorn dagger Jun 6, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Uhhh did you see the dmg record in that thing? 7.4k in a tier 8. Yeah i expect it to go from Hesh to heat in about a month.

twilit crystal Jun 6, 2019, 2:58 AM

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so what thats overall good players. Its still balanced overall because scrubs can't use it. Scrubs can't use HESH so dpm is limtied to 3k and it has no armor and mediocreish alpha with APCR so if they snipe they have to relocate which scrubs wont do.

gilded lake Jun 6, 2019, 4:38 AM

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Gonna Chuck this in here, the panther line needs a buff, (agreeing with Bushka)

harsh ravine Jun 6, 2019, 5:27 AM

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wtf, the Panthers are fine. The only change it needs is a small E50 buff and an E50m nerf

muted wing Jun 6, 2019, 6:00 AM

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Can someone tell my why the FV4005 has an autoloader and not a single shot high damage gun like the FV215(183)

meager spruce Jun 6, 2019, 6:00 AM

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Because no one wants another 183mm gun

twilit crystal Jun 6, 2019, 6:06 AM

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because we wanted something new

indigo knot Jun 6, 2019, 6:09 AM

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I would rather have loved if 183 was removed....its something that cannot be balanced

ancient zinc Jun 6, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Too much lags and bugs...

twin egret Jun 6, 2019, 7:04 AM

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182 is balanced... just don't go out in the open or you'll get shot, the 183 is there to teach you to be more careful

flat bane Jun 6, 2019, 7:05 AM

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JG PZ E100 should have a HE pen increase [by 5 -10mm] it has a 170mm cannon, so it doesn't make sense to have less HE pen then 150mm's

nimble zodiac Jun 6, 2019, 7:29 AM

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Or does it? It already does more damage anyways

modern fern Jun 6, 2019, 7:41 AM

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。。。。。

fringe summit Jun 6, 2019, 7:45 AM

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Yeah they should also give mad games consumables to jg pz e100

modern fern Jun 6, 2019, 7:56 AM

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I would love a consumable that removes the speed limit for an amount of time

fringe summit Jun 6, 2019, 7:57 AM

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That can be really good for LTTB, but some tanks almost never reach their top speed lol

austere plank Jun 6, 2019, 8:07 AM

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@modern fern that consumable will make Dracula completely broken

modern fern Jun 6, 2019, 8:08 AM

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Broken for 20 seconds maybe
But yes still broken

unique scaffold Jun 6, 2019, 8:37 AM

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📎 Screenshot_-.png

full willow Jun 6, 2019, 8:44 AM

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Wg can you fix this game fast pls,

flat bane Jun 6, 2019, 9:35 AM

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@nimble zodiac, the JGs pen is 85mm, on a 170mm cannon. That's 5mm less then most other 150mm. Atleast make it 90-95mm lol

unique scaffold Jun 6, 2019, 10:41 AM

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@lapis basin read the pinned messages. This isn't the place to complain about match making.

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Anyone saying charioteer isn’t op is brain dead try and do the damage numbers as consistently in a diffrent tier 8 td that isn’t the wz-120

mystic gorge Jun 6, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Well it is OP. It will get a nerf. But I’m more worried about this +5/-5 RNG calculator. It’s screwed me over quite a few times yesterday. Maybe the servers were bad but some of my shots were usually shots I’ve hit in the past but idk

fringe summit Jun 6, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Charioteer is even more crazy than wz lol

unique scaffold Jun 6, 2019, 10:52 AM

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Leave the Charioteer be. It balances out all of the WZ and IS spam.

twilit crystal Jun 6, 2019, 11:56 AM

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@unique scaffold normally id say yes. But I think it balances the wz and IS spam a bit too much. Ik its a small sample but 2.9k dmg per game is insane

white vessel Jun 6, 2019, 12:45 PM

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Charioteer powercreeps all meds and rivals everything else

boreal crag Jun 6, 2019, 1:03 PM

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Is 5 needs fix.... Just went on a battle.... I tried all weak spots of the enemy... 0 dmg..... Is 5 needs pen fixed....... Tired of losing credits with it so please buff is 5 penentration.... I shot at a T 34 3.... Bounced on front "ez pen" plate... Please fix this

silver lodge Jun 6, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Hello can anyone here fix my world of tanks blitz problem

olive hawk Jun 6, 2019, 1:12 PM

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@boreal crag use sniper mode 🐒

twilit crystal Jun 6, 2019, 1:19 PM

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no it doesn't. The charioteer has a very high skill ceiling. I do agree a very good player is probably doing insanely good in it tho. Charioteer has very good camo. You can get around 70% when maxed

iron lynx Jun 6, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Does the Charioteer have relatively good camo?
Or Grille-level of uselessness

clever void Jun 6, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Good

mystic gorge Jun 6, 2019, 1:25 PM

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@twilit crystal yeah the thing counters everything. It makes all other tier 8 tds irrelevant. The whole idea with these British turreted tds is that they have HE pennable armor: the spall liner just counters HE which makes them extremely hard to counter effectively. @iron lynx apparently it has bad camo but it is just too good. Unlike the grille, it can take HE shells better with the spall liner and has a 360 degree turret

quick lichen Jun 6, 2019, 1:25 PM

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Doesn’t pertain to this channel @silver lodge

clever void Jun 6, 2019, 1:34 PM

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The only real cons of Charioteer are hull and turret traverse and no armor. You could say it’s slow. But with the consumable and that gun. Heck no.

reef kiln Jun 6, 2019, 1:37 PM

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hello peeps

twilit crystal Jun 6, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Still the charioteer can reward skilled smart cautious but relocating play very well but stupid yolo plays along with excessive camping is punished easily.

wispy tiger Jun 6, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Hi

acoustic shard Jun 6, 2019, 2:48 PM

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What in the World.. WHy is the charioteer so Broke. Not only does it have powers That give It a Literal advantage over other Tanks. But on top of all that it's got a crazy HE pen, rate of Fire, and traverse speed, that you can't circle it. It's more like a medium tank than a turreted Td. And with The mad game's level powers it has it's more op that anything. I think it should be Modeled more of the t-25/2, it's quick but it's turret traverse is.'t to good. A much lower rate of fire and Decreased HE pen Should be the way to go. There shouldn't be a tank that can pen Heavies Frontally with HE, with that rate of fire, It's just Ridicules.

twilit crystal Jun 6, 2019, 2:52 PM

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meanwhile RASYA heavy tank spam. Id much rather be faced with spammed charioteers which nubs can't play than face 7 russian heavies which nubs can play coz its brain dead

nimble zodiac Jun 6, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Is it HE? Pretty sure it’s HESH

white vessel Jun 6, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Lol i yolo with charioteer and still have ok dmges

desert vortex Jun 6, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Well to be fair you give up Repair kits etc if you run all new consumables anyway

twilit crystal Jun 6, 2019, 3:49 PM

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for charioteer you should run multi,adrenaline,super engine boost. You dont need 2 repair kits for a tank with only 1.1k hp By the time you need 2 repair kits you probably were dead anyway

atomic hound Jun 6, 2019, 4:23 PM

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You don't need 2 repair kits on anything really, except some Chinese tanks that lose a module every other hit (like the t34-3)
If you're giving your drive wheels to the enemy you're doing it wrong, so playing with only the multi improves your gameplay (or so I found)

fringe summit Jun 6, 2019, 5:34 PM

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I always use 2 repair kits and fire extinghuiser. Because I don’t have credits for adrealine :/

small peak Jun 6, 2019, 5:57 PM

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can i have a question ?

boreal crag Jun 6, 2019, 6:00 PM

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@olive hawk I did use sniper mode.i used everything I could. Rng h8s me that's what

mystic gorge Jun 6, 2019, 6:11 PM

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I always use multi-repair, repair kit, and adrenaline. No reason to use anything else really

shut depot Jun 6, 2019, 6:13 PM

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@mystic gorge same here lol

thin fable Jun 6, 2019, 6:24 PM

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@small peak no

teal olive Jun 6, 2019, 6:30 PM

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I use the new dispersion consumable, not because it’s as good as adrenaline but because it’s new and cool. I’ll likely switch to adrenaline later on.

grave bear Jun 6, 2019, 7:34 PM

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lmao they're 1k times better than adrenaline unless you're using tier X meds

fiery dagger Jun 6, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Hi. Is it a bug that the conway's tracks decrease the traverse speed by -6? Why it is? Then what's the point of the track?

deft owl Jun 6, 2019, 8:17 PM

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Charioteer is balanced.

unique scaffold Jun 6, 2019, 8:36 PM

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I agree

nimble zodiac Jun 6, 2019, 8:55 PM

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“Decrease the traverse speed by -6” so +6? Also are there other attributions that make it better than the other? After seeing that it increases terrain resistance, reduces aiming time, they just seem to be design related for better speed and stability but worse traverse

charred bobcat Jun 6, 2019, 9:48 PM

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@unique scaffold Charioteer shreds mediums with its 210 hesh pen, not the WZ and IS tanks. The only thing about it that counters those tanks are its insane camo.

fiery turtle Jun 6, 2019, 10:57 PM

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I suggest the Panther I should receive the following changes:

Aim time:
Buff to 2.01 seconds, same as the Sherman Firefly

Gun depression:
Buff to -8 degrees, same as the Panther II with the same gun and very similar stock turret

Terrain resistance:
Buff to 0.9 / 1.2 / 1.5, same as the Panther mit 8,8 cm L/71

Hull traverse:
Buff to 45 degrees / second

(Note: All values are without any provisions.)

This would solve the Panther I's problems, IMO. More gun depression is a big improvement.

ebon compass Jun 6, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Panther is pretty balanced in its current state imo, has really good rof and pen

sweet timber Jun 6, 2019, 11:04 PM

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I haven't played blitz in a few years so is the the E100 still a very good tank or did it get nerfed

fiery turtle Jun 6, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Cambone01Yesterday at 23:59 said:

"Panther is pretty balanced in its current state imo"

Not according to Bushka it isn't. Watch his video on powercreeped Panther here:
https://youtu.be/9UowrPxNNMU

YouTube

Bushka On Blitz

Panther | Problems with Powercreep | World of Tanks Blitz

Panther | Problems with Powercreep | World of Tanks Blitz This is nearly a perfect example of a tank line that could literally put someone off playing the ga...

▶ Play video

unique scaffold Jun 7, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Charioteer needs nerf, should be slower, less penetration on hesh, lower traverse speed. Conway hesh to 550 dmg, is shooting too fast. Consumables makes them op.

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T 54 needs to have some more hp. Armor is fine, but it definitely needs more hp to withstand the stronger destroyers, such as grille 15, the obj s, and even lower tier tds woth monster guns.

wild loom Jun 7, 2019, 1:00 AM

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The t54 was heavily nerfed...with new coming premium tanks. And we don't need balances for now... we need bug fixes.

unique scaffold Jun 7, 2019, 1:08 AM

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Ok sorry, im also still experiencing the weird “ghost shell” glitch after the “fix”. They clearly hit the enemy then just dissapear, doing nothing.

median gust Jun 7, 2019, 1:22 AM

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Bushka is okay though, it's just the majority of pro's aren't Youtubers too

obsidian osprey Jun 7, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Panther just doesn’t fit the meta- armor isn’t reliable, gun dep isn’t superb, and alpha is too low. The pen is better than most tier 8 mediums and the APCR is tier X med level AP/APCR so no issue there. DPM is pretty solid and outpaces tier 8 meds again (though not hard to do). We just need bigger maps where its dispersion could be a real advantage. 🤷‍♂️ It chafes me a bit that it has to have the silly L/100 vaulting pole for a gun too, but obviously cosmetic

gilded lake Jun 7, 2019, 1:32 AM

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@fiery turtle totally agree!

ebon swift Jun 7, 2019, 1:37 AM

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they leave t95 all alone

median gust Jun 7, 2019, 1:48 AM

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@unique scaffold bro it's so OP

mild kindle Jun 7, 2019, 3:01 AM

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After this channel has stopped ranting about charioteer being op(which honestly, it is), can we also agree that grille 15 needs some love? Like literally supposedly the most campy tank has crap camo for TDs to begin with, worst AP pen for tier X TDs, and a holyshititsbad 75mm of HE pen. Like why. Every single other 15cm gun gets better HE pen. KV2 with 86, waffle with 85, borsig with 85, Foch, 268, e3,e4 90mm of HE pen. the 263 with a 130mm gets 75mm of HE pen too. dont WG think that its a little sad that grille HE pen is so little?

desert vortex Jun 7, 2019, 3:06 AM

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Grille has the precision not many other tds have though

sullen vault Jun 7, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Most tds dont need that high of precision though.

gilded lake Jun 7, 2019, 4:43 AM

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@mild kindle maybe a Cano buff, but it's fine

mild kindle Jun 7, 2019, 4:45 AM

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what about HE pen? just give it 85mm of HE pen. all other 15cm guns get higher pen. plus the precision is only to make you feel better about that 279 pen of yours, which is bad

iron tartan Jun 7, 2019, 4:55 AM

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Charioteer is really broken at the moment ,no doubt,
Nerfing the turret traverse , accuracy and dpm ? Maybe ?
Or the hesh penn which is unlikely.

teal olive Jun 7, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Turret traverse and accuracy? Lmao no. Just slightly reduce reload and HESH pen

hasty glen Jun 7, 2019, 5:25 AM

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The ping got fixed. But in some moments, game froze in 0.5 second and normal again. It's some kind of lag unconsiously. For specific, game need to synchronize.

indigo knot Jun 7, 2019, 7:30 AM

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The charioteer hesh pen should have been around 185-190mm while the ap pen should have been around 260mm.....many tier 8 lights and meds have around 180-190 pen on there standard rounds.....and dpm should be nerfed to around 3150 while keeping the same mobility accuracy and camo rating.....the problem with the WG is they over do the nerfs on tanks and the tank becomes trash

errant warren Jun 7, 2019, 7:30 AM

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Maybe change The premium ammo of charioteer into heat that could solve the problem

drifting loom Jun 7, 2019, 7:48 AM

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I feel like the HE/HESH on the Conway is messed up. Why not give it full HESH with the full HE alpha strike? It’s got literally 0 armour anyway so what’s the harm lol

kind swallow Jun 7, 2019, 7:50 AM

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Or just 2x apcr
This thing is too good at all
440 dmg 6.4sec reload is omg
It destroys everything with hesh, even HT of tier 8
Is3 ~ 12.3(?) Reload
Charioteer 6.4 440
I know that this is td
But really

fringe summit Jun 7, 2019, 9:14 AM

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Just remove the hesh from charioteer, nerf the reload to 8s. Lower the alpha to 250 and it will be fine

humble spear Jun 7, 2019, 9:16 AM

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250? What?

unique scaffold Jun 7, 2019, 9:16 AM

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From op to trash... you're worse than wg

grave bear Jun 7, 2019, 9:17 AM

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it's just what they did with vk100p

spark star Jun 7, 2019, 9:53 AM

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good god the charioteer is broken op

indigo knot Jun 7, 2019, 9:53 AM

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Yaa Vk100.01p only needed mobility and gun dispersion nerf ...they overdid it

deft owl Jun 7, 2019, 10:39 AM

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@fringe summit 105mm gun doing 250 damage? Lmao nice troll.

spark scroll Jun 7, 2019, 10:43 AM

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Salut

mystic gorge Jun 7, 2019, 10:47 AM

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Guys calm down about the charioteer. It will get nerfed. They can’t keep a tank like that in the game for too long. It will get nerfed so stop complaining about it.

jade cargoBOT Jun 7, 2019, 10:48 AM

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dynoSuccess _Jesse99_#0340 has been warned.

sweet remnant Jun 7, 2019, 10:49 AM

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I think it's balanced just fine. It's not OP... it's really good. Turret trav. is slow. Every med can run around you and kill you no problem. You're 2 shot from most of T8 heavy or TDs. I think it's fine as is.

white vessel Jun 7, 2019, 11:14 AM

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Yeah if med gets that close when you destroy most meds in 18s

atomic hound Jun 7, 2019, 11:35 AM

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@sweet remnant you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. No good player would ever let themself be circled by a med, especially in a turreted tank.

sweet remnant Jun 7, 2019, 11:49 AM

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But that stuff happens a lot... good player or not... It also depends on your team. If you just go for it and jump on Charioteer you can kill it easily. That was my point... And I will happily focus your Charioteer even if it's across whole map

unique scaffold Jun 7, 2019, 12:53 PM

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@sweet remnant u will focus one guy to die without doing any dmg

little quarry Jun 7, 2019, 1:26 PM

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I guess i can only say that the first 2 tanks of Brits Turreted TD line are medium tanks irl...

median gust Jun 7, 2019, 1:27 PM

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@atomic hound LAughs in dracula and cdc

west umbra Jun 7, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Never be without another medium when your playing the charioteer. Yes, play it like a support medium. If you play it like a td you’re doing it wrong

sweet remnant Jun 7, 2019, 1:34 PM

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@unique scaffold happily... and I will not die doing that

atomic hound Jun 7, 2019, 1:36 PM

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@median gust it isn't hard to avoid being circled, drac or not. If you're circling stuff in those tanks, it's less experienced players.

little quarry Jun 7, 2019, 1:36 PM

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I mean like, the playstyle is just so different than the most of turreted TD's, i think imo its just better than Hellcat (or maybe Helsing, but who knows). Only obvious minuses are just armor (thin=HE magnet) and slow hull/turret traverse (means hit & run when brawling, not circling a target)

unique scaffold Jun 7, 2019, 1:40 PM

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QB loves it

little quarry Jun 7, 2019, 1:47 PM

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Also the hull armor values on Challenger is better than Charioteer, its downgraded a lot, knowing that it was based on Cromwell chassis.. (Challenger is from lengthened Comet chassis)... its better playing these tanks at safe distance or second line support for brawling/wolf-packing with lights/mediums

white vessel Jun 7, 2019, 1:50 PM

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He is not worth to shoot at charioteer due to the -20%dmg by he and he is always riskier to shoot

unique scaffold Jun 7, 2019, 2:03 PM

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!warn

atomic hound Jun 7, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Wg overdid the spall liner on everything but the tier 10 (which I can somewhat accept because it's so huge).
The German turreted TDs are even more paper than the British ones, but no spall liner for them, and nor should they have one, otherwise what's the point in having no armour at all as a weakness?

young vault Jun 7, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Didnt they say that the new consumables might be added to other tanks later on?

twilit crystal Jun 7, 2019, 2:15 PM

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i mean i dont really shoot HE at the grille except at close. Without spall lienr you could snapshot 4005

atomic hound Jun 7, 2019, 2:23 PM

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The spall liner is a provision, not a consumable, and these new consumables are an utterly stupid idea that wg should never have implemented. Why not give the most experienced players (with more credits) an even bigger advantage (like myself, but I see the issue). Great idea.
It also means that every 75s you can tip any 1v1 encounter massively in your favour just by pressing a button, e.g. the charioteer out-accelerates the German bulldog when it uses its speed boost, or the fv4005 can unload 1380 alpha in 4.2s, quick enough that any non-autoloader can't even reload in time for a second shot, even with adrenaline. I fail to see how this makes the fv4005 much different to the 183 that wg deliberately tried to avoid by not giving it a 183mm gun, but it actually unloads more in a single clip than the average HESH shell, so if one of these things rushes you (with that stupid speed boost, good luck escaping) you take more than if a 183 had rushed you (and the 183 is slow enough to easily avoid)
If wg has to 'balance' these tanks without additional stupid advantages that it gives them (the charioteer would be broken anyway though) then they aren't doing their job right.

If they're making these consumables, limit them to mad games, where they belong, and where nobody cares about winning or losing. Get rid of the spall liner entirely on all but the fv4005, or even better, nerf it to 10% HE reduction, and replace the extra armour equipment option with it on all tanks that have no armour at all.

twilit crystal Jun 7, 2019, 2:34 PM

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whats wrong with an autoloader dumping dmg faster than a non autoloader?. The autoloader adrenaline is perfectly fine.Again I fail to see why regular tanks get adrenaline but autoloaders cant have their own version. My only problem is t57 and amx not getting it. The Top speed consumable is pretty op I admit. I dont mind the accuracy consumable tho. I also have a massive problem with the spall liner which is p2w

hollow horizon Jun 7, 2019, 2:40 PM

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😂 so i take it some of u dont like the new tds

atomic hound Jun 7, 2019, 2:40 PM

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How about the fact that it can also move like a medium when you press a button. Wg designed this tank to have a 3s interclip time so as not to unload too quickly, this was a balance point if I remember correctly. Then they ruined it with an idiot consumable. @twilit crystal

Autoloaders already have very high damage over a short period of time, they don't need the adrenaline. A consumable to reduce the clip reload I could accept. Not something that makes a tank deal 1380 damage before an adrenalined t62a can fire twice.

@sweet remnant don't talk about irl when discussing wot. If you wanna think about that, tell me how autoloader adrenaline makes any sense at all.

The dispersion consumable is the least objectionable of the 3 new ones, but still seems somewhat overcooked on the fv4005 due to it recieving the boost over all 3 shells, compared to over one or two on the others.

sweet remnant Jun 7, 2019, 2:42 PM

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@atomic hound don't get me wrong, but Borsig is not tank where you'll install spall liner irl. It makes sense for closed up tanks where crew is not exposed. However, I will accept new modifications if are for all tanks, not just one branch. If you have reload boost, give it to all autoloaders. Same with dispersion boost. Give it to all TDs, some of them are bad for long distances and it will make them much better and worthy.

Either give it to all tanks or non of them. That IMHO will be fair... apart of being in consumable which doesn't make sense.

charred bobcat Jun 7, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Disperion boost consumble to all tds? Lol what? Yeah why not have tds that can snapshot right?

atomic hound Jun 7, 2019, 2:53 PM

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The fact that it isn't on any huge alpha TDs is the only reason it isn't utterly broken at the moment (I'm looking at you 183). Luckily nobody bothers with it on most things because the speed boost is so ridiculous.

sweet remnant Jun 7, 2019, 2:57 PM

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@charred bobcat correct... so rather don't put it in game at all...

If you look at normal consumables and modifications they seems like a little boost to something... the new ones are just like too good to be true... actually they feel like something straight out of Mad Games

twilit crystal Jun 7, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Id nerf dispersion to 20%. REmove speed boost but autoloader adrenaline is fine. Autoloaders are generally weaker anyway than most normal tanks. See t57 heavy

charred bobcat Jun 7, 2019, 3:02 PM

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I assume they only added the consumables to the next Brit tds because they're huge and have no armor (the tier 9 and 10). They want to even the playing field by adding the consumables but not making it last the duration of the battle. I think they need to make it not cost anything and tone down the buffs of the consumables.

atomic hound Jun 7, 2019, 3:03 PM

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They're buffing the t57 and 50b, and preceding tanks. They don't need the adrenaline in that form. Make it reduce clip reload time if you need it at all. Autoloaders deal damage fast enough already, any faster is ridiculous. Hell, the fv4005 can unload faster than a lot of tanks can aim at it (and it's huge)

@charred bobcat I agree. (Charioteer needs an urgent nerf though)

void mortar Jun 7, 2019, 3:07 PM

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https://youtu.be/d_4vTcw-fbY I dont know if this is right place for this. E100 turret explodes and lands on my maus. Im taking no dmg but when i drop it to enemy is4 hes taking dmg. Is it supposed to work like this? @still ivy @snow rock

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ivory fractal Jun 7, 2019, 3:10 PM

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@void mortar nothing to do with balance 🤔 hmm true patchnotes state: edit
The blown-off turret can deal damage both to enemy and allied vehicles. The damage will be attributed to neither side. If a blown-off turret finishes off a tank, the battle results will display the Crashed destruction status.

void mortar Jun 7, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Well i should be taking dmg from that turret 🤔

sweet remnant Jun 7, 2019, 3:21 PM

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IMHO everyone should 😃 ... So let's balance that mechanics. But I think they should work on this as well. Take dmg when you get hit by something but if it's on top it should depend on your load limit. If you can support that weight, you shouldn't get any dmg...

dusky oxide Jun 7, 2019, 3:31 PM

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I dont know which i dislike the most; one line of tanks having ridiculous consumables/provisions or every tank having them so it becomes mad games and wg dev team can have an even bigger problem in balancing the game.

sweet remnant Jun 7, 2019, 3:31 PM

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@dusky oxide I see clearly a solution... remove them 😃

dusky oxide Jun 7, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Probably the second one. I dont think "dynamic" aspects should be forced into the game like that. They should come from map desings and tech trees that allow players to experiment with stuff. Most importantly for something to be dynamic it needs to be fair and not make a tank that is supposed to be situational less vulnerable when it should be vulnerable.
The simpler the core gameplay elements of a game are, the more fluently strategy and skill translate to results and noticeable improvement of a player.
This just feels glued/taped on and a team thought it would be a good idea because of the popularity of mad games.

near juniper Jun 7, 2019, 3:48 PM

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someone want a peloton??

crystal spoke Jun 7, 2019, 4:01 PM

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#502019319417405441

dusty delta Jun 7, 2019, 4:58 PM

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I think the T9 Conway need Lil Love. On its HE

wet nymph Jun 7, 2019, 5:24 PM

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is the tiger p good

humble spear Jun 7, 2019, 5:24 PM

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yes, very good in fact

mystic gorge Jun 7, 2019, 6:11 PM

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I just don’t get how they gave these new tds spall liner without thinking of the grille. The grille is almost just as big height wise as the fv4005. Idk it seems like it’s making the other auto loaders irrelevant in the sense that if u want unload time, clip reload, and alpha then u would just drive the fv4005. It makes the other auto loaders just not as good. Which is probably y they r buffing those lines tiers 8-10

unique scaffold Jun 7, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Indeed, I REALLY hope they give the spall liner and the other new consumables to the other tanks in the game

distant river Jun 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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^ especially the WT, it needs any buff it can get 🤣

nimble zodiac Jun 7, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Charioteer, if you can’t beat em, join em. It’s not a premium you have to pay for 😏

twilit crystal Jun 7, 2019, 6:39 PM

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you still paying in credits due to HESH MEMES

wet quail Jun 7, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Charioteer is so broken

atomic hound Jun 7, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Even on paper it was clearly obscenely broken just looking at the gun stats. The mobility is just the final nail in the coffin. Well done wg on proving that you can't balance tanks.

rancid drift Jun 7, 2019, 6:57 PM

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I tried to post this in technical issues but for some reason it won’t let me post for an hour so I’ll put it here for now.

Why does this consistently happen to me when hitting my shots is the difference between a win or a loss.

📎 video.mov

grave bear Jun 7, 2019, 7:29 PM

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guys the buff to chieftain t95 was too huge imo.
150mm side skirts covering the whole side... it's ridicolous op now

unique scaffold Jun 7, 2019, 7:35 PM

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ya even FV215b 183 can't punch it

neon grail Jun 7, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Isn't the tumor still gigantic?

grizzled sleet Jun 7, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Lol, what you mean to say is now the cheiftain isn't a burdon to it's team

meager spruce Jun 7, 2019, 8:27 PM

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@unique scaffold we are not talking about the chieftan mark 6

grizzled sleet Jun 7, 2019, 8:29 PM

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@twilit crystal lol I spammed HESH in the char and actually made credits

summer mist Jun 7, 2019, 9:05 PM

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does anybody realise that WG forgot that the T28 is the most UNBALANCED tank in Tier VIII ? This tank will never be BUFF clearly

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visual nimbus Jun 7, 2019, 9:18 PM

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has a nice gun at least. 🤷

fiery turtle Jun 7, 2019, 9:19 PM

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WG loves the Death Star but hates the T95. Go figure! (facepalm)

summer mist Jun 7, 2019, 10:24 PM

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@visual nimbus believe me, T28 is ineffective vs tier VII, VIII and IX : no armor, no HP, no, durability, no accuracy, can be put on fire easely, the engine can be destroy in one shot, very slow, BIG weakspots and especially... This tank is literally CURSED by the RNG

drowsy plaza Jun 7, 2019, 11:00 PM

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@summer mist it’s in need of a buff to be relevant I’d agree. Front armor is not bad. But sides and back are nonexistent along with the nonexistent mobility means its generally an entirely irrelevant tank to the battle.

nimble zodiac Jun 7, 2019, 11:05 PM

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So we ain’t gonna talk about the tog

summer mist Jun 7, 2019, 11:48 PM

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@drowsy plaza i'm glad that i'm not the only one to think this

flat maple Jun 7, 2019, 11:58 PM

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Buff the type 59, its powercreeped af

unique scaffold Jun 8, 2019, 12:23 AM

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the Kpfpz 70 should get a buff

crystal spoke Jun 8, 2019, 12:24 AM

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@flat maple what do you suggest as a buff

flat zephyr Jun 8, 2019, 12:25 AM

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T28 is a decent sniper. Good accuracy, great DPM and quite well armored and tough to pen at long ranges but the tank overall might be underpowered

dusky oxide Jun 8, 2019, 12:31 AM

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Type needs better gun stats to be the perfect blend of medium. Too bad its already at the top of the charts in terms of t8 meds.

flat maple Jun 8, 2019, 12:59 AM

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all it need is a dpm and desperation buff

summer mist Jun 8, 2019, 1:05 AM

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@flat zephyr, i'm sorry, but NO.
the T28 has absolutly no accuracy, and i know what i'm saying : 50m, 100m, 200m + full aim = touched nothing
And the armor is useless for tier VIII, the Löwe can penetrate without gold and all TDs too and they dont need to aim.
This is a real pain to play it.
The only factor that can be counted as an advantage is LUCK and nothing else.
To be more clear, WG should take exemple on the T28 in WoT PC because it's very more efficient than the Blitz version

nimble zodiac Jun 8, 2019, 1:15 AM

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T28 is good, T28 Proto is good if you use cover and dance a bit. You don’t have to spend time sitting there aiming if you don’t wanna be hit, just try and make players miss your weak spot. Löwe also has high-end penetration at 234mm and a very accurate gun, which makes it one of the worst head-on threats to armored TDs

frail pier Jun 8, 2019, 1:26 AM

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I’ve played for 4 yrs 9000 games. Today I found my first live chat. Today I learned tank shadows aren’t shadows, they show weak spots. I finally found the right YouTube videos to watch. Suggestion: I’m sure others are experiencing the lonely grind I have. Lots of money in the game. About $2,000. Keep finding ways to easily show people how to find resources to help them, and people to ask questions with. I assume this chat is brand new. I would have done anything to know this stuff. Really, tanks highlight weak spots ? Who would have known. I’ve offered several players real money over the years to teach me. I’d have paid hundreds! Nobody believed me I guess. So, one question? Can you actually talk to anyone about this game? Not text, but talk? I’d love to help those people who don’t know this stuff!

flat maple Jun 8, 2019, 1:27 AM

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pfff only 9k?

feral vine Jun 8, 2019, 2:27 AM

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eeeeee xd

olive hawk Jun 8, 2019, 2:47 AM

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@frail pier so you want to share your newfound knowledge of hitskins after 9 thousand battles

frail pier Jun 8, 2019, 2:50 AM

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@olive hawk ya I’d like to help people. I just learned what kind of arrogant kids are on chatrooms, but you learn something from everyone. You teach me to be kind to people. Maybe I know some things you don’t.

flat zephyr Jun 8, 2019, 2:54 AM

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@summer mist that's because of Lowe not the t28, as some medium's prem ammo has the AP pen of Lowe.
Also it is accurate enough

olive hawk Jun 8, 2019, 3:01 AM

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@frail pier displaying kindness requires intelligence 😦 dont think youll pick anything up

frail pier Jun 8, 2019, 3:07 AM

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I’m learning as I go. Glad to see you know it all already:)

modern fern Jun 8, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Learn a bit faster maybe

charred bobcat Jun 8, 2019, 4:43 AM

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@frail pier You, sir, are a genius.

deft owl Jun 8, 2019, 5:39 AM

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T28 is trash. Armor is not enough bloom is insane on that thing.

harsh ravine Jun 8, 2019, 6:10 AM

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T28 desperately needs the same buff as in PC

vapid oar Jun 8, 2019, 6:18 AM

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Hi all !!!!!

orchid grove Jun 8, 2019, 6:29 AM

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@frail pier Unfortunately, you can't really force people to get into a voice chat so you can teach them to get better at the game; but you can always offer to hop into a voice chat with someone on discord, and platoon some games with them while you talk. Alternatively, something I've taken to doing is making a youtube channel which also gives you the chance to teach people to play the game better. (and also you should totally watch my crap) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwz4imZe12k9TOIFfTsOKsQ

YouTube

Posit1ve_

unique scaffold Jun 8, 2019, 7:12 AM

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Crative way of self-advertising 🤔 🤣

hushed fox Jun 8, 2019, 7:20 AM

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I recommend Positive_ highly, he knows his stuff.

fringe summit Jun 8, 2019, 8:18 AM

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My T30 shot 643 HE pen on charioteer. I could have done 1200 (one shot) in a max roll but that stupid HE absorbing stuff let him alive and win the battle

nimble zodiac Jun 8, 2019, 8:30 AM

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Do we’re ignoring the V-VI protected mods+?

fringe summit Jun 8, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Yes we do

unique scaffold Jun 8, 2019, 9:13 AM

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Salut

vapid oar Jun 8, 2019, 9:37 AM

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@unique scaffold t'es français

bleak mason Jun 8, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Will the chieftain T95 ever get a buff to that HUGE cupola on top? It is autopen for even HE, and kind of negates rhe whole point of the tank, which is playing hull down... It is too reliable right now IMHO. At least it would do better with a cupola that was easier to pen on flat terrain but stronger or hidden when hull down. Like, a cupola the size of the one on the Tiger P would be more balanced. With it being so huge, today I snapshot it 2 times in a row even driving the Obj252u, which has horrible gun handling, and T49s can pen it with HE across the map lol 😂

fiery flame Jun 8, 2019, 10:07 AM

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@bleak mason it would become very unbalanced if they did that

atomic hound Jun 8, 2019, 10:42 AM

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@bleak mason they just buffed it, although I can confirm that my wt auf pz 4 can HE pen the hatch, and the side of the turret.

wheat dagger Jun 8, 2019, 11:19 AM

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Nerf matilda armour in tier 4 if you face t3s it is too unfair and same goes for many t4s

distant river Jun 8, 2019, 11:22 AM

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You can't balence tanks based on other tanks a tier higher or lower...

wheat dagger Jun 8, 2019, 11:31 AM

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@distant river even tier 4s have problems penetrating

distant river Jun 8, 2019, 11:33 AM

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The matilda is slow, has a weak gun and is basically only good on the front line which it cant reach because of its speed

lucid jetty Jun 8, 2019, 11:43 AM

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What is the point of having a top track that has 7 deg worse traverse speed than the stock track on Conway? That is a lot.

indigo knot Jun 8, 2019, 12:43 PM

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About time Is3A is brought in the game....most Op tanks at tier 8 are not Russian

bleak mason Jun 8, 2019, 12:47 PM

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@atomic hound Well, frontally HE penning the Chieftain T95 is possible... and it is supposed to be a "heavy" tank 😬 (plz dont say that "hon hon amx50100 is also heavy but paper" cuz we know its not actually a heavy)

low path Jun 8, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Any guess when the first 10k dmg Charioteer game will show up?

twilit crystal Jun 8, 2019, 3:07 PM

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lol

odd jetty Jun 8, 2019, 3:11 PM

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pretty soon I guess

teal olive Jun 8, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Isn’t there around 11K HP per tier eight team? 😂

grizzled sleet Jun 8, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Um, yeah each tank about 1.2k to 1.5k HP

deft owl Jun 8, 2019, 3:41 PM

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never. Not even tier 10s can reach it. Only deathstar reached that cap. @low path

fiery flame Jun 8, 2019, 3:44 PM

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@atomic hound what did they buff on the chieftain???

visual nimbus Jun 8, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Yep

median gust Jun 8, 2019, 4:28 PM

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@fiery flame For the Chief/T95, it was the coupling's armor

fiery flame Jun 8, 2019, 4:31 PM

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@median gust ok thank, I’ll go do some testing on it

kind swallow Jun 8, 2019, 4:33 PM

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Buffed... u cant pen it with HE now with 155mm guns

grizzled sleet Jun 8, 2019, 4:37 PM

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No but you can with the char

frail pier Jun 8, 2019, 4:50 PM

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@orchid grove Force people to voice chat? What in the world? There isn’t a@voice chat that works here, and I have no clue what you’re talking about. Does the green plus mean you’re a developer?

grizzled sleet Jun 8, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Yeah

atomic hound Jun 8, 2019, 5:21 PM

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@kind swallow yes you can, I tested it this morning. My wt auf pz 4 penned it with HE.

deft owl Jun 8, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Cheiftain cuppola didnt buffed. Where the heck did you get that info?

unique scaffold Jun 8, 2019, 5:24 PM

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@deft owl. The armor was remodeled in 6.0

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Supposedly

deft owl Jun 8, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Offical patch notes didnt had any info about cheiftain remodel. Also in armor inspector armor is still the same.

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unique scaffold Jun 8, 2019, 5:40 PM

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Shows a change in blitz hanger

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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That's why I used the word "supposedly".

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Sometimes these changes are clear as mud and covered in fog.

shut depot Jun 8, 2019, 5:44 PM

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When is wotb birthday 5 ? Are the birthday day tanks defenders ? Are they low tier if so which tier ?

deft owl Jun 8, 2019, 5:46 PM

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That change was in open beta not in the final release. They didnt touched cheiftain.

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frosty raft Jun 8, 2019, 5:53 PM

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But i think Chief/T95 really need buff for some pen and moblity

distant river Jun 8, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Love how everyone who bought the new tank is now complaining despite being completely able to see the disadvantages it has before buying it 🤣

grizzled sleet Jun 8, 2019, 5:56 PM

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What tank?

rigid chasm Jun 8, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Chieftain/T95.

grand crow Jun 8, 2019, 6:05 PM

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this game suckkk , all time in lowest tier , why ?

frosty raft Jun 8, 2019, 6:05 PM

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I got one in event =( i play it so long until than tank came... i mean that two....

VK.100.01PAnd 252u @distant river

bleak ivy Jun 8, 2019, 6:15 PM

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oh my goodness I still can’t play the game since the updates. The latest updates are errors

safe canopy Jun 8, 2019, 7:27 PM

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I think the charioteer needs a buff, due to it being so OP with hesh u don't make credits. Premium coëfficient would do the job.

wet quail Jun 8, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Yeah about that

digital veldt Jun 8, 2019, 7:38 PM

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I would rather say that it needs an armor buff. You get penned with HE all the time and that's not nice @safe canopy

safe canopy Jun 8, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Agreed.

drowsy plaza Jun 8, 2019, 8:03 PM

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@distant river I had the Chieftain T95 for a while (first non crate sale) it’s not awesome but it’s a pretty easy tank to be over 60% in at 8.

distant river Jun 8, 2019, 8:10 PM

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To me it looks like a well balanced tank. Good players can do well but bad struggle

fringe summit Jun 8, 2019, 8:30 PM

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About that 10K, Obj 268 did a 10K+ game as well @deft owl

deft owl Jun 8, 2019, 8:31 PM

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true forgot that. Still you guys get the point.

acoustic shard Jun 9, 2019, 2:16 AM

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The Side armor is hella buff now Right? 150 or something, It the tank that bad

frosty raft Jun 9, 2019, 3:08 AM

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@drowsy plaza
I got 51.3% wr8 1250 damage and 805 time battle in that tank

summer mortar Jun 9, 2019, 5:19 AM

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how come PC and Console got the PZ VII but on blitz we got this rip off called the vk 72? It has no side armor...is it gonna get buffed?

humble spear Jun 9, 2019, 5:38 AM

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@summer mortar the Pz VII is just the VK with a 128mm gun

unique scaffold Jun 9, 2019, 5:42 AM

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PC has it as a clan reward and you quite clearly don't know how to play it

grizzled sleet Jun 9, 2019, 7:16 AM

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Nah man the VK is way too easy to pen, I've never even driven it i just know by shooting at it, I don't even have a problem in my 30 1er proto

summer mortar Jun 9, 2019, 7:43 AM

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@humble spear Ik that was a mess up on my part but The VK on pc still has a much better side than on blitz (strengthened turret base)

bleak mason Jun 9, 2019, 10:27 AM

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The problem is not the turret side lol
Nobody shoots there when they can just load HEAT and shoot anywhere besides the upper plate... turret cheeks, middle hull, lower hull all easy pen.. and the tank has the worst DPM of tier 10

grave bear Jun 9, 2019, 11:10 AM

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charioteer has Fv4 gun but with better dpm

bleak mason Jun 9, 2019, 11:31 AM

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Do y'all reckon that there's a chance of the Chieftain/T95 getting a buff to the paper thin and huge cupola on top, like how the M48 and E5 got a buff?

grave bear Jun 9, 2019, 11:47 AM

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no
chieftain t95 will never have same turret cupola as m48 and e5 simply because except turret cupola chieftain t95 has the best turret in the whole game

rigid chasm Jun 9, 2019, 11:47 AM

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The 121B needs a credit-making buff

cobalt crane Jun 9, 2019, 12:42 PM

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Hello bros I would like to request charioteer buff it losses way too many credit sometimes over 50 in one battle!
so pls buff chariot credit thank you bros ☺

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fringe summit Jun 9, 2019, 12:44 PM

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@cobalt crane maybe you shouldn’t go full HESH? XD

unique scaffold Jun 9, 2019, 12:56 PM

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Premium account exists for a reason

thorn dagger Jun 9, 2019, 1:02 PM

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4005 needs a dispersion buff. Only a small buff. The dispersion is at roughly 0.287. Making it .270 which is just slightly behind the 268 would be substansial.

torn cliff Jun 9, 2019, 1:04 PM

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@unique scaffold Not everyone can afford premium time, their are some f2p players as well

Yeah and if you're saying don't use premium ammo, here comes tanks like 252U. Good luck 👌 👍

unique scaffold Jun 9, 2019, 1:04 PM

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All tanks buff..

clever void Jun 9, 2019, 1:06 PM

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Lmao. Well. This may be one of the factors that doesn’t get the Charioteer a full on nerf soon

unique scaffold Jun 9, 2019, 1:06 PM

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Then don't use premium ammunition 🤦 @torn cliff

wet quail Jun 9, 2019, 1:07 PM

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F2P players face the consequences of not helping the game

cobalt crane Jun 9, 2019, 1:10 PM

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No all I do is play one battle in charioteer then change to T25 and play 2 battles in it then i will have enough credits for one more battle in charioteer

dusky oxide Jun 9, 2019, 1:12 PM

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He came here to ask for a charioteer buff PepeLaugh

atomic hound Jun 9, 2019, 1:42 PM

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The challenger is so terrible, desperately needs a buff. Make the gun dangerous, at the moment the stock gun is better, and even then it's terrible.

gaunt coyote Jun 9, 2019, 2:02 PM

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@atomic hound I actually quite liked that thing, but I am a wierdo 😅

fringe summit Jun 9, 2019, 2:05 PM

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The 'premium consumables/provision' makes it actually a very deadly tank.

crystal spoke Jun 9, 2019, 2:09 PM

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I would be good in it if I stopped over extending in it/using it like a med

atomic hound Jun 9, 2019, 2:15 PM

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No it wouldn't. You choose between the top gun with terrible DPM and gun handling Vs the stock gun, which is better, with still poor dpm and bad pen (at least it's accurate).
The tank itself is huge and has zero armour, so the question of why you'd ever play the challenger over a comet springs to mind, since the comet is better in every way that matters.

mystic gorge Jun 9, 2019, 2:24 PM

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Can we all just say that grille needs camo buff

fringe summit Jun 9, 2019, 2:27 PM

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But the comet doesn't have mad games speed boost and also no anti HE shield and accuracy booster

crystal spoke Jun 9, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Also cant get the charioter through the comet well not efficiently

unique scaffold Jun 9, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Why on the game the aim time of the T-34-2 and T-34-3 is not 1 like it is said on Blitz hangar but is like, 2.3, even with all the dedicated provisions? If I am not mistaken, those tanks for WG boasted unique and shortest aim time of their peers, caliber-wise. Well, where is that 1 aim time?

safe canopy Jun 9, 2019, 3:48 PM

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they do its just not shown

stoic pebble Jun 9, 2019, 3:50 PM

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i think its the worst possible scenario that the in game stats are showing

cobalt crane Jun 9, 2019, 3:55 PM

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@atomic hound to grind the tank 😹

unique scaffold Jun 9, 2019, 3:56 PM

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In the game the aim time parameter is shown, but the value is, with all the provisions and equipments I put, 2.3. Can someone report this to be fixed? I picked the T-34-3 because I tried it on a friend's account and it's very fun after all, but I expected the aim time circle to be much smaller if the value was 1. Turns out it isn't, and that is the characteristics WG claimed to be so good in that tank, since it sports a 122 mm gun, and the reason i picked it, since I watched it's characteristics on several sites. So, WG will acknowledge this and fix it?

humble spear Jun 9, 2019, 4:02 PM

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the aim time of the T-34-3 is already excellent

unique scaffold Jun 9, 2019, 4:06 PM

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But every site reports the value to be one not corresponding. So, either every site corrects this mistake or WG has to fix the tank aim time to that value, because it's misinformation, and aim time it's a selling point for that tank. It's not even balance, just misinformation, to be fixed from one or the other side

hearty hawk Jun 9, 2019, 4:51 PM

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jade cargoBOT Jun 9, 2019, 4:51 PM

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quick lichen Jun 9, 2019, 4:51 PM

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west torrent Jun 9, 2019, 4:51 PM

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quick lichen Jun 9, 2019, 4:51 PM

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rustic fossil Jun 9, 2019, 4:57 PM

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@rigid chasm Possibly. I would like to see WG give premiums extra perks like high credit coefficients or better XP and/or free CP multiplier than make the, OP.

hardy heron Jun 9, 2019, 4:58 PM

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121b Chinese med needs a HE buff. In WoT it has HEP 110 penetration due to having the British gun. In blitz it has HEP shells with only 60 pen and worse Alpha than the 100mm T62a line. The HEP pen should be 80-100mm pen and the alpha 440

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rigid chasm Jun 9, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Yeah, currently the credit coefficient is 90%. It's just painful to go in a battle...I constantly lose 10.000 to 26.000 credits. It's kind of frustrating, but eh. 121B is fun nonetheless, and it's one good tank if you know how to use it.

And, yes, the gun is kinda weak

vague pine Jun 9, 2019, 5:01 PM

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@hardy heron this tank is well balanced so why you are complaining

hearty hawk Jun 9, 2019, 5:01 PM

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I think they need just a little faster fire rate

humble spear Jun 9, 2019, 5:03 PM

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The 121b has a good turret and pretty decent hull protection. Aim time is also really short, so exposure when attempting to peek to take a shot is really low. It shouldn't get a HE buff and basically toss the 4202 into the garbage bin

hardy heron Jun 9, 2019, 5:10 PM

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@vague pine because the t62a HE has higher alpha? The whole point of the 121b is the l7c British gun known for HEP and Hesh so if it has lower alpha and only 53pen then its HE isn't right. Look at the l7b gun on the fv4202 why does it have 440 / 105 mm. @humble spear why should the HE alpha be lower than the t62a? Remember the 121b has a 105mm gun.

vague pine Jun 9, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Ok maybe it’s credit coefficient needs a buff because it’s a premium. Now to you@hardy heron look at the leopard 1 gun it’s the improved version of the British royal ordnance l7 gun but it has 400 alpha and also 53 HE pen exactly like the 121b and both tanks are very good and competitive tanks which I definitely recommend so don’t cry just because you can’t play tanks

humble spear Jun 9, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Because it's a balancing factor? I already told you why the 121b is already good as it is. It shouldn't just be buffed for absolutely no reason other than an inconsistency in gun calibers. Doing so will literally just make the FV4202 less competitive than it already is, since it is the only Tier X MT with 105 basic HESH pen. Even tanks like the M48, M60, Leopard 1, and even the STB-1 have 400 HE dmg and 53 pen. They all used licensed versions of the 105mm Royal Ordnance gun.

vague pine Jun 9, 2019, 5:23 PM

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@humble spear just my words yo don’t copy me 😁 but the FV 4202 isn’t less competitive too other mediums in fact it is a great tank which marks a very unique playstyle with its hesh ammo under the medium tanks

humble spear Jun 9, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Eh copy? What?
The reason why the leo 1 has more dpm is because it has no armour to speak of, and the aimtime is still less than the amazing 1.36s of the 121b

hardy heron Jun 9, 2019, 5:27 PM

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The difference between the Leo1 and the 121b gun is that the leo1 pumps out an extra 0.68 rounds per minute so does an extra 230dpm.

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wet quail Jun 9, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Buff the dam panther 2 it’s a pathetic excuse for a tier 8

vague pine Jun 9, 2019, 5:40 PM

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@hardy heron yeah and does the Leo 1 has armor in comparison to 121b ??? With 121b you can get out so much more shots Because of your great armor

unique scaffold Jun 9, 2019, 6:08 PM

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How I can tell WG about the T-34-3 aim time question?

slim rivet Jun 9, 2019, 6:26 PM

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I don’t think WG is interesting about it. Would u have a question relating to how make tds more present in game maybe @unique scaffold ?

drowsy plaza Jun 9, 2019, 8:03 PM

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@unique scaffold perhaps use the #vehicles-discussion area.

twilit crystal Jun 9, 2019, 8:17 PM

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whats everyone opinion of the new british tds overall? Use the up or down thumbs? I generally think its a good thing. They aren't too campy overall

distant river Jun 9, 2019, 8:20 PM

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Yeah overall they seem to be pretty good. Turrets make them less campy but i would still advise WG to not make the next new line TDs. They mostly seem balenced (we all know the exception) but still interesting to play so i think WG did a very good job.

unique scaffold Jun 9, 2019, 8:23 PM

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what's the point of capola's?

dreamy crest Jun 9, 2019, 8:24 PM

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@unique scaffold to spot tanks

cloud dome Jun 9, 2019, 8:24 PM

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Can we make e5 make a little more credits I never earn any even when I do 3k and in any other tier 10 with premium account I would make a profit and I only used ap.

dusky oxide Jun 9, 2019, 8:43 PM

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The TDs, okay. The consumables that came with them? Not so good. I feel like you have to count them as a part of the tech tree since theyre inclusive.

slim rivet Jun 9, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Problem with new tds is that their are tds lmao. He had jap tds, badger is coming, I mean seriously, we already have to suffer 3 tds per team, it would be good to see some new meds, lights or heavies rather than those campy thingies

grizzled sleet Jun 9, 2019, 10:35 PM

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Well the new TDs play more like meds (exception being the 4005) so when you see one just think of it as a med

slim rivet Jun 9, 2019, 11:01 PM

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See this maus? Imagine it’s a BC and go ram it 😹 @grizzled sleet

unique scaffold Jun 9, 2019, 11:21 PM

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350 alpha gun for Panther II. Historically Panther II should be OP. More powerful engine, less terrain resistance will be good.

smoky yoke Jun 9, 2019, 11:37 PM

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Pop a blue credit booster and a 9 hour premium time , you will not see anything less than 0 credits on any match xD

grizzled sleet Jun 9, 2019, 11:38 PM

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Yeah even on a loss you'll be fine

dusky oxide Jun 9, 2019, 11:55 PM

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@grizzled sleet the downside is that they run into meds a lot and can counter them quite effectively. So another L for the meds book.

grizzled sleet Jun 10, 2019, 12:10 AM

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Oh yes very true, but same can be said for the WZ

dusky oxide Jun 10, 2019, 12:14 AM

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The wz1201ft? Its so op it cant even be used as a reference point :D

smoky yoke Jun 10, 2019, 12:32 AM

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Did charioteer get a silent camo nerf, someone in game said that , I have not seen anyone speak of it as yet?

grizzled sleet Jun 10, 2019, 12:37 AM

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@smoky yoke looks like it did, used to have 70 now I'm at 64

smoky yoke Jun 10, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Mhhhmmm, didnt even notice that, played over 30 games in that tank today

teal olive Jun 10, 2019, 2:13 AM

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70 was pretty crazy tbh

smoky yoke Jun 10, 2019, 2:42 AM

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e25 has 84 I think xD but 60-80 is the normal range for tds?

hollow mason Jun 10, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Small profile Tds

smoky cosmos Jun 10, 2019, 3:03 AM

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Amx 50 B

smoky yoke Jun 10, 2019, 3:08 AM

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camo ratings of tanks in my garage= churchhill has 66, su-122 has 77 , wz-111 has 68, well I see what you mean thou , turreted tds dont share those camo values they range from 30-50 points

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But does anyone have any pics to see if the nerf was true

clever void Jun 10, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Ya curious now. TBH. I’m 4600 in rateing with Charioteer. At this point the good players have figured out how to fight you. You don’t get much dmg in most of the time

teal olive Jun 10, 2019, 3:27 AM

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@smoky yoke my e25 has 77

smoky yoke Jun 10, 2019, 3:28 AM

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But I have the concealment perk on and thats about 14 points added

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echo solar Jun 10, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Buff fv4005 he pen please it only has a 65 pen wich is bad for a tier 10 tank destroyer

junior canopy Jun 10, 2019, 5:45 AM

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New British tank destroyer really ?

violet sonnet Jun 10, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Really are good? Well yes maybe so

deft owl Jun 10, 2019, 6:41 AM

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Charioteer still has 70 standing camo on me.

nimble zodiac Jun 10, 2019, 6:42 AM

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Maybe it’s cause of provisions, I don’t know xD

twin egret Jun 10, 2019, 7:03 AM

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I love it when the "Plz nerf, Charioteer OP" drama calmed down and now mostly everyone is saying it needs buff...it's about time that everyone really understood it's not broken at all...

clever void Jun 10, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Wtf. Who says a it needs a buff? 🤣

smoky yoke Jun 10, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Check wot blitz forum , charioteer , ppl are complaining that the skorpion way better statistically on the tank side to the charioteer and the gun needs better statistics since the skorpion has a bigger gun and better handling or something like that I didnt read the whole thing since I really didnt care about it. I played my 100 battles so its time to sell it lolz 😛 @clever void

fringe summit Jun 10, 2019, 7:20 AM

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I am at the Crusader, but it doesn't feel what it used to be anymore. I think it needs like +20% dmg per shot and maybe 0,3s longer reload time

dusky oxide Jun 10, 2019, 8:17 AM

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People arent suddenly saying the charioteer needs a buff. The good thing about the forum is that threads like that get 5 comments telling the op he's wrong and then they drop to the bottom.

atomic hound Jun 10, 2019, 8:17 AM

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Needs to go faster than 42kph, it's a light tank... (Crusader)

Charioteer is broken lmao, why would it need a buff (got mine yesterday, can confirm its hilariously overpowered)

indigo knot Jun 10, 2019, 8:51 AM

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I personally would never like Charioteer to get camo nerf though hesh pen nerf to around 180mm and rate of fire nerf (dpm almost on equal levels to scorpion with AP rounds) is needed ....while its standard AP pen should be buffed to 260 afterall many will be using calibrated shells to buff its hesh pen and these will not create any pen problems at tier 9 as most tds have there premium rounds....turreted tds in blitz always have had less dpm than the non turreted ones

fringe summit Jun 10, 2019, 9:55 AM

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Why does the AMX 50B have much worse camo value than the AMX 50 120? They are almost the same looking🤔

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fiery flame Jun 10, 2019, 9:57 AM

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Who knows, who cares. The AMX 50B is a perfectly balanced tank

orchid grove Jun 10, 2019, 10:04 AM

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@echo solar let me guess, you watched the Bushka video...

fringe summit Jun 10, 2019, 10:05 AM

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@orchid grove Lol yes, that was exactly what Bushka said XD

deft owl Jun 10, 2019, 10:20 AM

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Charioteer is balanced. Its not a td that everyone can make it work.

grizzled sleet Jun 10, 2019, 10:22 AM

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Lol, just because everyone can't be godly in it doesn't mean it isn't OP, something I can consistently do 3-4-5k games in that isn't a tier 10 is kind of broken

indigo knot Jun 10, 2019, 10:53 AM

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Waffle tractor is OP too....and not everyone can make it work....but in case of charioteer imagine facing tier 7 you can hesh all tanks frontally and even all tier8s if you use calibrated shells

grave bear Jun 10, 2019, 10:55 AM

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@fiery flame the horrible camo in 50b is super visible, i remember my first battles in 50b, being killed in 1 second because spotted from everywhere, and i was like wtf, im just using same amx 120's spots where i eat also tiers X...

indigo knot Jun 10, 2019, 11:19 AM

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@fiery flame the tier 10 auto loaders will be getting buffed this patch or the next.....thats what Ribble said

fiery flame Jun 10, 2019, 11:31 AM

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Omg why... they should just leave them alone, I have both the T57 and 50B, in my humble opinion they don’t need any buffs

grizzled sleet Jun 10, 2019, 11:33 AM

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Lol, have you seen them they're at the bottom of the list for WR in the WG charts

thick rover Jun 10, 2019, 12:45 PM

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Um what happened to those people complaining about the IS-4 being OP 🤔 After the changes to armour hitskin suddenly not many is complaining about IS-4 having bounces it should not get. So the problem is with a fair red or dark red hitskin?

humble spear Jun 10, 2019, 12:48 PM

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Everyone's busy talking about the charioteer

grizzled sleet Jun 10, 2019, 12:54 PM

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^

thick rover Jun 10, 2019, 1:12 PM

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😯

rustic zinc Jun 10, 2019, 1:14 PM

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Hi

cedar violet Jun 10, 2019, 1:16 PM

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Hello

clever void Jun 10, 2019, 1:27 PM

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@fiery flame I don’t think the tier 10 variants will be buffed much unless they add special consumables. The tier 8-9 could use buffs. Especially the 8s.

fiery flame Jun 10, 2019, 1:33 PM

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@clever void I hope they don’t touch the 10s, I agree with you and think that the American autoloaders 8&9 do need buffs. For me the french ones are balanced as they are now but the Americans need some love

drowsy plaza Jun 10, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Honestly the tier 8/9 US Autoloaders are fine. The T54E1 could use an HE shell though. Any real buff to those will make them OP

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The darn Challenger needs a buff. It’s just slightly better than a T20 currently.

atomic hound Jun 10, 2019, 1:59 PM

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It's worse than T20 lol. At least T20 isn't absolutely massive

fiery flame Jun 10, 2019, 2:01 PM

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I honestly think the the T54E1 needs more ammo capacity and some HE, that’s all @drowsy plaza

crimson cosmos Jun 10, 2019, 2:37 PM

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When I actually see another T69 in the game I’ll believe it shouldn’t get a little love. 😄 The darn thing may as well only be given to members of WG’s Board of Directors for as often as they appear in game.

indigo knot Jun 10, 2019, 2:38 PM

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I personally think they will be given T57 highest dpm in tier 10 hts just like Wotpc

iron lynx Jun 10, 2019, 2:49 PM

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1sec intershell reload
15 sec clip reload

meager spruce Jun 10, 2019, 3:03 PM

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@indigo knot uuum I think you got your facts mixed up. I am 100% sure OBJ430B has the highest DPM in WoT PC

humble spear Jun 10, 2019, 3:06 PM

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@meager spruce Tier 10 HTs. And the Object 430 B? What's that (oh that removed tank)

meager spruce Jun 10, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Medium tier 10. I believe it is in testing atm but the stats show it has the best DPM. Also if we continue the conversation can we move to DMs?

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indigo knot Jun 10, 2019, 3:26 PM

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@meager spruce I said highest dpm in tier 10 heavys.....

meager spruce Jun 10, 2019, 3:26 PM

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@indigo knot oops, my bad

red trench Jun 10, 2019, 3:54 PM

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@meager spruce(M4A1 rev.) But the pen isn't good for a tier VIII, the only great things about this tank it's the gun but the pen bruh, I can't even pen an e75 on the front with gold :/

meager spruce Jun 10, 2019, 3:57 PM

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@red trench then why play the tank? Also take it to PMs/DMs. No slowmode there

clever void Jun 10, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Regarding M4A1 Rev. I propose it receive a buff to aim time and dpm. Even 15% to either would make this tank much better

wet quail Jun 10, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Oh god another Russian med..

thin ermine Jun 10, 2019, 4:11 PM

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The new td line is broken op. Every single game I play in 7s and 8s and 9s and 10s I see the new tds doing top damage effortlessly! The camo rating on them is rediculous. Ive lost so much wn8 because of them i wanna kms

humble spear Jun 10, 2019, 4:13 PM

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Because all those players are probably 60%ers

clever void Jun 10, 2019, 4:13 PM

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The only one that is obviously OP is the tier 8. The rest you are likely running into seasoned players if they already have Conway

dreamy crest Jun 10, 2019, 4:15 PM

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@thick rover this tank had too many fake gray zones

drowsy plaza Jun 10, 2019, 4:19 PM

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@meager delta not really a Balance issue

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@thin ermine have you played the Challenger? The Charioteer is simply a reward for the pain.

thin ermine Jun 10, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Buff challenger, nerf charioteer.

twilit crystal Jun 10, 2019, 4:27 PM

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challenger is awful due to the gun handling. Id give it a slight dpm buff and a massive gun handling buff to .17 .17 and it should be good

meager delta Jun 10, 2019, 4:27 PM

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@drowsy plaza what you mean by that ?

unique scaffold Jun 10, 2019, 5:18 PM

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@thin ermine i get ez win against all new line of td. Only you must konw how to play.

minor grove Jun 10, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Buff the obj-140, is7, grille 15 —— neuf the obj252, smasher , the Chinese premium T8 TD , T22 medium, Krupp D for sure upper plate is so ridiculous I can’t Evan pen it Evan looking down on it with APCR, and yeah just my opinion this is coming from a GNEIS player so I’m serious about these it’s not fair game play and makes it rigged, say if there’s a platoon of smashers, T22s it’s just so hard to take them out.

lament vessel Jun 10, 2019, 5:54 PM

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WG wont nerf premiums...
mybe collectors idk

unique scaffold Jun 10, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Buff Grille 15 traverse and T49 pen and module damage, not as good as before, but the nerf was really aggressive

final root Jun 10, 2019, 6:14 PM

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That's the way they get around to nerfing premiums is to just change them to collector vehicles

tame wharf Jun 10, 2019, 6:19 PM

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what's with everyone saying they won't nerf premiums, it doesn't mean they can't "balance" (nerf) it

fast cave Jun 10, 2019, 6:25 PM

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No they can’t nerf. They can only balance positively (buff)

wet quail Jun 10, 2019, 6:32 PM

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@minor grove buff the Wz120ft it sucks

minor grove Jun 10, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Not really

unique scaffold Jun 10, 2019, 6:51 PM

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They can nerf or buff any tank they want. There is no rule against nerfing premium tanks. Read the EULA

twilit crystal Jun 10, 2019, 6:53 PM

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again Fair use agreement with the EU >EULA. However they could possibly reverse a buff legally. In reality thats what WG should do with buffed prems.

grizzled sleet Jun 10, 2019, 6:55 PM

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And then rebuff them but not as much

quick lichen Jun 10, 2019, 7:24 PM

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So what happens if WG buffs a premium? Do you suddenly have to pay more money for it?

wet quail Jun 10, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Yeah

haughty narwhal Jun 10, 2019, 7:25 PM

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They can always do silence nerf. Like rng for dmg and pen. That's what happened with is3d.. cheiftan, and even some tech tree tanks that always low roll below their average dmg (183, grille, e5, 113)

twilit crystal Jun 10, 2019, 7:25 PM

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again EU law> some medium sized company EULA. Eu consumer protection rights are stronk

quick lichen Jun 10, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Even if you bought a smasher, drac, Helsing, Keni Otsu etc, you have gotten plenty of value out of your purchase if you use them regularly. You paid for an op af tank and you got exactly that. At some point, WG has to think about game balance

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They could come out with a policy for premiums to be converted into collector tanks one year after their initial launch

tropic bridge Jun 10, 2019, 7:59 PM

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Well with the outcome of this new realistic battle I think they could have came out with something a lot better concept. My grandmother could have made a better concept in this but know what are we got a concept that came from a two year old that doesn't even know how to play the game great work work even more boring to add to this game well this is either going to bring you weigh down or keep you in the middle.

fluid heart Jun 10, 2019, 8:50 PM

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why are SPG's always put in maps with so many buildings it renders them useless?

drowsy plaza Jun 10, 2019, 9:07 PM

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@fluid heart don’t go to town. Problem solved

quick lichen Jun 10, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Why are you talking about spgs in blitz? @fluid heart

fluid heart Jun 10, 2019, 9:11 PM

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eh idk @quick lichen lol went for official wot discord, took me here

quick lichen Jun 10, 2019, 9:12 PM

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@fluid heart so why are you talking about something not blitz related on a blitz discord server?

lucid jetty Jun 10, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Please buff the top gun's reload on Challenger to 5.8 seconds.

wary heath Jun 10, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Well Charrioter is 6.0 reload and make 300up dmg with hesh

thick rover Jun 11, 2019, 1:33 AM

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@dreamy crest Yea my point exactly the problem was with hitskin highlighting

indigo sorrel Jun 11, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Give mk6 like on paper the 350mm turret and Not 250mm or something like geezus

void pewter Jun 11, 2019, 3:57 AM

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The tank is pretty strong as it is and I think you can be save from turret penning if you use your depression fully

violet sonnet Jun 11, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Mk6 needs to be tech tree (yes I have it, but still) will bring back whole lot of ppl to blitz

void pewter Jun 11, 2019, 5:58 AM

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I do not support the concept of premium tier 10s

fringe summit Jun 11, 2019, 6:19 AM

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I agree on that, a player should not be allowed to skip tier 2-9 for some gold

loud parcel Jun 11, 2019, 6:31 AM

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are there any Turkish people

merry olive Jun 11, 2019, 7:14 AM

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WG already nerfed premium tank Ram II. And nobody said a word

unique scaffold Jun 11, 2019, 7:49 AM

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Charioteer is rediculously broken.

dapper thorn Jun 11, 2019, 8:25 AM

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I feel wg doesn't take its old or earnest members into consideration

median lichen Jun 11, 2019, 8:25 AM

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You can add Romanian tank? Of course, just premium🤔 we have a lot of history tanks.

void pewter Jun 11, 2019, 8:34 AM

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@unique portal you shoot and relocate shoot again

tropic radish Jun 11, 2019, 10:04 AM

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Hi guys. I have one problem, and I would like to hear some developers or just to hear some different thoughts. So, it's mostly about tier 8. Right now it's slightly out of balance. Problem is, after introduction of new tanks, older premium tanks become obsolete. Mainly is5, is6. Don't trust me? Jump in is6 and try to carry your team. Hidden stats for gun is just bad (compared to 252u for example) not to mention armor. So, my question is, will we see some rebalance in tier 8? Or this is just a new way for wg to force us to buy new tanks. Also about Chatioteer, I got it, it's done with purpose, so people will trow money at game just to get this tank as fast as possible. But don't you think that this is... A little bit too much?

grizzled sleet Jun 11, 2019, 10:11 AM

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Lol I didn't throw money and anyone with braincells didn't either, you had a solid month to prepare for this tank, everyone knew it was OP

slim rivet Jun 11, 2019, 10:21 AM

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Play tier 9 or 10, problem fixed @tropic radish tho I agree that t8 is broken by so many op tds

cerulean tulip Jun 11, 2019, 10:22 AM

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How is the problem fixed when all you're doing is avoiding it

tropic radish Jun 11, 2019, 10:39 AM

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And I do, but what to do when I need credits?

jade cargoBOT Jun 11, 2019, 10:43 AM

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dynoSuccess kintec [SKUX]#0381 was muted

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dynoSuccess kintec [SKUX]#0381 was unmuted

drowsy plaza Jun 11, 2019, 10:44 AM

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Wrong person

jade cargoBOT Jun 11, 2019, 10:44 AM

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dynoSuccess JoeHoe#8168 was banned

minor sky Jun 11, 2019, 10:46 AM

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lol

drowsy plaza Jun 11, 2019, 10:46 AM

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Hadn’t had coffee yet

somber mauve Jun 11, 2019, 10:49 AM

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*cough* tier 8 *cough* Charioteer *cough*

drowsy plaza Jun 11, 2019, 10:50 AM

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@tropic radish I dragged my IS-6 out during the VK 100.01(P) heyday- I use the DPM gun, I didn’t have a problem winning with over 2k AVG Damage in it - it is a fantastic tank if you play it’s strengths.

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@somber mauve right now Blitzstars only has 604 players listed for the Charioteer. Sure Unicums are going to dominate in it - not much difference than any tank - but since it is paper it’s going to get plastered when mistakes are made. Also If you don’t know how to use HESH it’s not a very good tank. Plus personally I like the fact it can wail on WZ-120-1G-FT’s so from that perspective alone I don’t want it nerfed.

grizzled sleet Jun 11, 2019, 11:06 AM

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*when to spam HESH

indigo knot Jun 11, 2019, 11:17 AM

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Tier 8 is kind of broken at the moment ....tech tree tanks and old premiums have become obselete

astral lava Jun 11, 2019, 11:17 AM

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@tropic radish Yeah you're right especially WZ-120-1GFT is seriously OP causing wreck to balance in tier8! Even 45-50% WR players are having around 2k Average damage and above 60% WR in that thing! WZ once, bounced my Obj-704 APCR on his freaking side just 5meters away....which is insane!

gaunt coyote Jun 11, 2019, 11:19 AM

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Though WZ-120-1G FT gets annihilated by the Charioteer so I guess Charioteer is here to balance WZ-120-1G FT😂

grizzled sleet Jun 11, 2019, 11:19 AM

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Why even have APCR, it's absolutely useless pens almost nothing more than AP

unique scaffold Jun 11, 2019, 11:21 AM

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I'd like to see a 45% er doing 2k avr in wz 120 @astral lava

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WZ 120 TD tank is like Ke Ni Otsu, never nerfed even being so troll. I don't like this WG policy. I agree on balance the tanks in the game, some are better and some are meh, but when a tank is so blatantly OP it deserves a rebalance

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I hate you wargaming. For nerfing the Luchs like taking my little baby tank of the tree wasn't good enough. They even nerfed the traverse worse than it was already

indigo knot Jun 11, 2019, 11:27 AM

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@unique scaffold I don't know about 2k dmg but I have seen many who are 40%er but have 55-60% WR in it and have over 1000 games in it

Charioteer is a high ceiling tank not a noob proof tank like wzft or 252u .....I have played both Charioteer and wzft and I would still say wzft is more OP than it

unique scaffold Jun 11, 2019, 11:33 AM

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That demonstrates two things: WZ is OP indeed, noobproof to the extreme, so troll bouncing, impossible to flank even with lights and meds, and that judging players for wr is not always correct. I am almost 47% but because I lost many battles 3 years ago when I had 40% and no clue of how to play properly. Now I can define myself a good player but the victories I get can only balance my previous defeats, even having some skill. On the other hand I see often total monkeys having 50 or 60% wr

grizzled sleet Jun 11, 2019, 11:43 AM

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If you see a 60%er being stupid it's either they seal clubbed hard or just had a crappy game

hearty stirrup Jun 11, 2019, 12:22 PM

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@unique scaffold I agree with you. It’s insanely op and broken. Wargaming needs to nerf it

unique scaffold Jun 11, 2019, 12:50 PM

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Avatars have nothing to do with vehicle balance @lean shard

lean shard Jun 11, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Ur right. I already posted to the right thread.
Regarding the vehicle balance I have to note that the T15 (tier 3) needs to be buffed. Pen and damage. It has the lowest pen in its tier. Moreover, if you need apcr the damage is 20hp per shot while all other vehicles have at least 30. Try to face 2 Matilda’s and one M7 in a battle

grizzled sleet Jun 11, 2019, 1:18 PM

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20HP? A shot? That is absolutely worthless

drowsy plaza Jun 11, 2019, 1:18 PM

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It’s an auto loader

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In tier 3...

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@lean shard you won’t find a lot of sympathy from many of us here about folks complaining about low tier issues. The goal isn’t to make OP tanks at low tier so new players can be repeatedly Clubbed by experienced players stat padding by Seal Clubbing

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The T-15 APCR is 74 Pen. At tier 3...

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The 2J has 45mm of Pen on APCR for 7 dmg.

tropic radish Jun 11, 2019, 1:31 PM

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I just want to say: thank, you WG for charioteer as it is right now, playing in platoon, 2x charioteer is sooo fun. Burning enemy tanks down in 10 seconds. So funny

lean shard Jun 11, 2019, 1:31 PM

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A) It is not an auto loader B) AP 42 pen for 40hp APCR 74 pen for 20hp C) you cannot seal club with t-15 German tier 3 light D) seal clubbers are using M5 Suart E) it’s about fairness

lean shard Jun 11, 2019, 1:50 PM

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It’s like telling me that you seal club in T7 car ;p

cobalt crane Jun 11, 2019, 2:01 PM

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pls buff chariot its noob tank

uneven surge Jun 11, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Does WG lack data on balancing Tier X auto loader TDs so they made an FV4005 with auto loader ?

gaunt coyote Jun 11, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Yep, legit accurate 😂
(did not use the consumable)

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unique scaffold Jun 11, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Lol

quaint raptor Jun 11, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Type61 needs some buff(ammo count)

clever void Jun 11, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Ammo count?? Dpm is so low I’ve never had to worry about ammo. But I would love a buff. Speed or rof pls

stone rapids Jun 11, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Hi,
I have a complaint/a bug report..

If i change the auto-aim to anything other than the default (right click) in windows virsion, I LOOSE THE ABILITY TO USE THE FREE CAMERA..

if anyone would report this for me, i would really appreciate it..
I already did once long ago and they said that they won't fix it for the time being..

unique scaffold Jun 11, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Does anyone find the maps are getting stale? I’d like to see a shakeup of the bases. Make in encounter the base closer to one team. In supremacy move around the a b c (d) bases. Would this make the teams more aggressive more defensive. Different tactics or just some more down right craziness 🤪

grizzled sleet Jun 11, 2019, 6:34 PM

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@stone rapids try to press and hold the button that you set to autoaim

charred bobcat Jun 11, 2019, 9:03 PM

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@unique scaffold I fail to understand how giving a random team the cap edge will make the game more balanced.

grizzled sleet Jun 11, 2019, 9:11 PM

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Id like to see actual bases instead of encounter

daring geyser Jun 11, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Something i would very much like to see added (not really a balance thing but a suggestion) would be the ability to see the directional arrows of ally tanks.

There have been alot of cases where people seem to get clogged up and then proceed to just repeatedly run into each other as their intents arent clear.

All of the necessary textures are in game so i dont think it would be TOO difficult to add and while it is a minor thing i think it could make a MASSIVE difference.

fiery turtle Jun 11, 2019, 9:54 PM

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RE: Balancing of German tanks - Suggestion for WG

Several German tanks in Blitz have had their gun depression ‘nerfed’ compared to their PC WoT counterparts.

Gun Depression:

Panther I : WoT -8 / Blitz -6
VK 45.02 A : WoT -8 / Blitz -6
Tiger II : WoT -8 / Blitz -7
Lowe : WoT -10 / Blitz -8
Leopard PTA : WoT -8 / Blitz -6

(This issue does not affect any Russian tanks, of course.)

In Blitz:
the Kuro Mori Mini is the closest thing to the historical Tiger I
the VK 30.02 (M) is the closest thing to the historical Panther
the VK 45.03 is the closest thing to the historical Tiger II

I would like to see:

the VK 30.02 (M) get the Panther I's hull armour - but also get the Panther I's stock engine, and 3 tons more weight
the VK 45.03 get the Tiger II's hull armour - but also get the Tiger II's stock engine, and 3 tons more weight
the above gun depression inconsistencies fixed

drowsy plaza Jun 11, 2019, 11:43 PM

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@clever void @quaint raptor You will be happy soon.

stone rapids Jun 12, 2019, 1:02 AM

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@grizzled sleet
It doesn't work..

unique scaffold Jun 12, 2019, 1:44 AM

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No is good the New World of tanks blitz

dim field Jun 12, 2019, 1:45 AM

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I'm not sure what you mean.

median gust Jun 12, 2019, 2:12 AM

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WZ120Gft can't even be circled... best anti-medium at tier 8

nimble zodiac Jun 12, 2019, 6:21 AM

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Neither can TOG, maybe it needs a turret traverse nerf xd

summer mortar Jun 12, 2019, 6:21 AM

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buff the object 252 U it needs a stronger lowerplate

violet sonnet Jun 12, 2019, 6:27 AM

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Give it 2 guns and call it balanced

lean shard Jun 12, 2019, 6:32 AM

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WG please Balance the ability of players with less than 1.000 battles to buy a premium tank

twin egret Jun 12, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Charioteer is balanced...does everyone forget how much ammo it carries?

flat bane Jun 12, 2019, 6:50 AM

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Buff jg pz E100s HE pen to 95 atleast 👏, 85mm of HE pen on 170mm is why.

summer mortar Jun 12, 2019, 7:23 AM

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@twin egret how much?

kind swallow Jun 12, 2019, 7:44 AM

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Man, after they buffed gun arcs from 8° to 12° its really well balanced
Rather great
It dont need buff to anything

quartz steeple Jun 12, 2019, 9:17 AM

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@kind swallow what's the point of 170mm gun if it can't Pen 90mm with HE .... it can't pen Conway with HE frontally

kind swallow Jun 12, 2019, 9:19 AM

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But I can do well sidescrap in this
Really, its well belanced

unique scaffold Jun 12, 2019, 9:23 AM

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I think Jgpz E100 is already balanced as it is. If you need the HE buff so much then your only choice is to run calibrated shells. It will give you 94 HE pen but this of course will sacrifice your reload time.

quartz steeple Jun 12, 2019, 9:32 AM

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So basically u guys are saying its logical to give 15cm equal HE pent to 17cm ..... it's a bit off for me and personally HE buff wudnt impact a lot ... just easier to use gun and more logical shots as big caliber = greater pen ..... it wudnt hv been a big buff but ofc some players wud complain but #opinions so..... this is mine ......
E100 = HE =85mm (15cm)
Jg.pze100= HE= 85mm (17CM)

kind swallow Jun 12, 2019, 9:37 AM

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M41 90mm = HE = 102mm (9cm)

smoky iris Jun 12, 2019, 9:39 AM

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son of a gun

unique scaffold Jun 12, 2019, 9:41 AM

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@kind swallow The German M41,RU 251,FV404,FV215B 183,Cent 7/1 has a Hesh gun. It has nothing to do about the size of the tank gun.

thorny geode Jun 12, 2019, 9:45 AM

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type t34 needs a hitpoint buff

quartz steeple Jun 12, 2019, 9:46 AM

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It had HESH

gilded pivot Jun 12, 2019, 9:52 AM

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@unique scaffold and FV4101 Charioteer

tropic radish Jun 12, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Guys, I suggest you to get charioteer as fast as possible. My avg dmg in this tank is around 2500 dmg. That's in range of tier 10. Lol. So funny. And I played 90 battles so far

eternal dust Jun 12, 2019, 10:38 AM

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Ye

jaunty fable Jun 12, 2019, 10:44 AM

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E

median gust Jun 12, 2019, 10:47 AM

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@unique scaffold technically it's HEP 😵

noble siren Jun 12, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Charioteer is OP change my mind

kind swallow Jun 12, 2019, 10:51 AM

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If I will get in this thing more than in tier 9
I will say that this thing balanced

verbal sonnet Jun 12, 2019, 10:58 AM

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If you nurf the charioteer wont it be like the challenger so many complain about? If they make it meh then who wants to go up that line?

thin ginkgo Jun 12, 2019, 11:19 AM

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People who want to grind the FV4005 would ¯_(ツ)_/¯

verbal sonnet Jun 12, 2019, 11:26 AM

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@thin ginkgo true, but going though several meh tanks wont keep the masses. I think WG will just continue to put out OP T8 premiums that will make the charioteer less and less strong. Give it a month and see.

unique scaffold Jun 12, 2019, 11:26 AM

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No need to neft su100y , Su100y it perfect no need neft👌

hasty glen Jun 12, 2019, 11:31 AM

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At last, they gonna fix the freeze screen when 0.5 second. Cuz it's annoyed when playing.

thin ginkgo Jun 12, 2019, 11:39 AM

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Thats true but there's a difference between paying for an op tank and playing an op tech tree tank

thick rover Jun 12, 2019, 11:41 AM

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Does Grille need HE pen buff?

verbal sonnet Jun 12, 2019, 11:41 AM

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People said the Black Prince was too OP when they buffed it last time. They said WG must nurf it, well they didnt and it didnt break the game any more than other tanks. These OP premiums are doing more to breaking the game than anything else. Brand new player can buy an OP T8 tank and you have inexperienced players all over T8.

rain relic Jun 12, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Remember when hetzer was op

unique scaffold Jun 12, 2019, 12:51 PM

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No

indigo knot Jun 12, 2019, 1:03 PM

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With that 105mm gun
I liked M2 med with that derp gun and pz4 with that 105 ....

unique scaffold Jun 12, 2019, 1:04 PM

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It was fun

flint token Jun 12, 2019, 1:04 PM

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The t82 had a 105 at t3. One-shots everywhere

wooden spindle Jun 12, 2019, 1:43 PM

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I can't play in high graphics after this update.

twin egret Jun 12, 2019, 2:05 PM

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I see no Problem

unique scaffold Jun 12, 2019, 2:18 PM

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Hi

jade cargoBOT Jun 12, 2019, 2:24 PM

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dynoSuccess II-DEMOLICHEN-II#8651 has been warned.

winter pagoda Jun 12, 2019, 3:14 PM

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F

quick violet Jun 12, 2019, 3:36 PM

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@unique scaffold German tanks actually dont have hesh it's just very good HE on tanks like RU 251

atomic hound Jun 12, 2019, 3:38 PM

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It's HEP - high explosive plastic

clever mauve Jun 12, 2019, 4:07 PM

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Ya

grave bear Jun 12, 2019, 4:53 PM

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HEP = hesh with another name

honest dagger Jun 12, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Nien....
Hesh = High Explosive SQUASH HEAD... HEP = High Explosive PLASTIC. They are not the same

unique scaffold Jun 12, 2019, 5:27 PM

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It's not possible I have calibrated shells on Kpfpz 70, so the HE penetration goes up to 99, I should pulverize anything, but then I literally shoot a Conway on rear turret doing only 200 DMG?! How is that even possible. HE on Kpfpz should be fixed, I am surely not a newbie

wet quail Jun 12, 2019, 5:33 PM

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It’s because of the spall liner... and the new consumables that only the new British TDS get

unique scaffold Jun 12, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Nerf the SU100

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@wet quail ok but it seems a bit much, my HE should at least do 400 dmg with that thing included

clever void Jun 12, 2019, 6:07 PM

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Spall liner is only 20%. U didn’t penetrate apparently

deft owl Jun 12, 2019, 6:33 PM

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@unique scaffold Because?

unique scaffold Jun 12, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Give the Grille a buff.

For example, give it the spall liner of the new british line

cobalt crane Jun 12, 2019, 6:43 PM

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is4 need faster reload and speed buff so it can go as fast and speed up as fast as is7 so it can replace is7 in tournaments completely @dreamy crest yes but is7 has 460 alpha

deft owl Jun 12, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Is4 needs mobility and armor buff so it can replace both maus and is7.

cobalt crane Jun 12, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Is4 won't be able to replace maus but is4 could use an armor buff to act as a replacement for a less armored more mobile maus with a better gun, that is a good idea

dreamy crest Jun 12, 2019, 6:58 PM

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And maybe better accuracy

teal olive Jun 12, 2019, 7:01 PM

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It needs a 152mm autoloader

cobalt crane Jun 12, 2019, 7:05 PM

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I'm not that is necessary that would most likely make it over powered, however I could see an is4 defender version of an is4 with a 152mm autoloader, it would probably have slightly worse characteristics than the original is4 to make it not op of course. Nice idea.

grizzled sleet Jun 12, 2019, 7:10 PM

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@cobalt crane I'm legitimately posting you in #blitz-memes

visual nimbus Jun 12, 2019, 7:18 PM

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Give T95 Improved engine power boost consumable 🙈

cobalt crane Jun 12, 2019, 7:21 PM

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This relates to memes how, memes are for fun balancing is for serious

teal olive Jun 12, 2019, 7:21 PM

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@grizzled sleet I’m waiting 😂

grizzled sleet Jun 12, 2019, 7:22 PM

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I actually did but it got denied

wary heath Jun 12, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Hi

winter lagoon Jun 12, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Challenger needs a DPM buff for its top gun and maybe is accuracy a bit because as of now, I really REALLY prefer any other tier 7 TD compared to it

spring river Jun 12, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Saying anything needs a buff in the new TD line is a false statement

cobalt crane Jun 12, 2019, 7:37 PM

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@spring river the charioteer is the only tank in that line that is more than usable, the challenger is the worst, it either needs a super buff, or to be removed and replaced by the comet

deft owl Jun 12, 2019, 7:38 PM

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@spring river Challenger is literally garbage. Paper armor, Horrible dpm, Mediocre camo rating. It deserves buff.

unique scaffold Jun 12, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Sure glad I skipped the Challenger 🤣

clever void Jun 12, 2019, 8:14 PM

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It truly is junk. Im not sure what WGing was thinking

unique scaffold Jun 12, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Howdy

median gust Jun 12, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Grille needs the spall liner from brits

meager spruce Jun 12, 2019, 8:32 PM

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no, it has a the best armor in the game - a giant broomstick

visual nimbus Jun 12, 2019, 8:35 PM

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^

flat bane Jun 12, 2019, 8:41 PM

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Yes

unique scaffold Jun 12, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Cc

kind swallow Jun 12, 2019, 9:02 PM

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Well, i passed 100k on chellenger with premium, and I can say that aiming time is too long
Dpm is maybe low, but I had like 1900 avg, and it is not bad (idk about stats, i was playing it in realistic)

fringe summit Jun 12, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Its balanced, as all things should be

supple thistle Jun 12, 2019, 10:32 PM

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Yeah I got te challenger and it's kind of.... not good. Why is the DPM so abysmal? It's good penetration, sure, but that reload is the longest of any TD with equivalent alpha.

fiery flame Jun 12, 2019, 11:21 PM

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I don’t understand why people hate the challenger so much... I mean I’m only 40 battles in but I’m enjoying the tank

visual nimbus Jun 13, 2019, 12:00 AM

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I enjoy it for the most part but it really lacks a lot of things and is in need of a buff...

silent drum Jun 13, 2019, 2:07 AM

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It has very weak guns for the armor profile

tough shell Jun 13, 2019, 2:27 AM

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Personally I enjoyed playing the challenger and I dont think a buff is necessary

flat bane Jun 13, 2019, 3:13 AM

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183 should get a cammo,mobility,and reloud buff. Also,give it more turret armor. This will make the tank even more "balance". ||if you can't see the sarcasm,.....||

smoky yoke Jun 13, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Any tank that has to show turret and that turret is heshable would be penned before they can shot

honest urchin Jun 13, 2019, 4:11 AM

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thats a cool idea

torn cliff Jun 13, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Need this tank to balance everything pls

📎 images_4.jpg

wooden spindle Jun 13, 2019, 4:27 AM

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My game crashes when i play in high graphics. It all started after this update

flat bane Jun 13, 2019, 5:09 AM

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What is that

smoky yoke Jun 13, 2019, 5:16 AM

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📎 Screenshot_152.png

flat bane Jun 13, 2019, 5:38 AM

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Thanks

indigo knot Jun 13, 2019, 7:23 AM

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The new clan war rewards Chieftain on Pc is almost as OP as 279e

kind swallow Jun 13, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Well, cheftain on tier X is better, bc it have APCR on gold shells, faster, and better on full tier X
U cant pen its turret and it is better in hands of uniqum
Early is easly pennable with gold shells
340 pen with object 277 or wz111 5a

bleak mason Jun 13, 2019, 8:38 AM

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When is chieftain Mk6 coming back to store? Any rumors or intel?

iron hearth Jun 13, 2019, 9:04 AM

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I prefer amd

bleak mason Jun 13, 2019, 9:05 AM

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The new Navi cards are gonna be epic I heard 😂 🤦 @iron hearth

modern fern Jun 13, 2019, 9:23 AM

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(Intel launches gpu that’s also a cpu)

unique scaffold Jun 13, 2019, 10:35 AM

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Ok whatever but this discussion is about balance of tanks, not the balance of graphic cards lol. Back on topic

noble siren Jun 13, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Who's that "genius" idea to buff is4. It's already a tank for noobs if you can't play it git gud...

slim rivet Jun 13, 2019, 12:13 PM

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We don’t want a huge buff. Maybe a little more armor, mobility, ROF and alpha 👀 @noble siren

noble siren Jun 13, 2019, 12:32 PM

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Then give Maus a little more armor because everyone spam on it gold ammo and they pen it without any problems. It's useless to have only one thing (armor) and everyone can pen it.(and don't tell me how to play it because i know ho yo play it)

humble spear Jun 13, 2019, 12:33 PM

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the maus requires good knowledge of armour angling to pull of correctly, and it will become very effective as such

queen stag Jun 13, 2019, 12:51 PM

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Buff Obj 263 Gun mantlet plz

noble siren Jun 13, 2019, 1:10 PM

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@humble spear I know how to angle it but Jagtiger's Apcr can pen it anywhere(tested this theory with friend)

indigo knot Jun 13, 2019, 1:57 PM

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@noble siren No it can't pen front hull if angled....you can pen the front reliably when you use calibrated shells on Jage100 or obj268 with heat.....heat pens the front more reliably than Apcr due to its normalisation.....heat above 360mm can pen easily if unangled and can bounce other premium rounds if angled properly unless it is not fired by Jage100 or 268 using CS....
I wish Rh131(pramo) was there he could have explained more about Maus

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@fiery flame in 6.1 test the tier 10 autoloaders 2sec buff on the magazine reload and tier 8 and 9 got either dispersion aim time and magazine reload buff as of now

fiery flame Jun 13, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Well it not like I’m complaining but I still don’t understand why they feel the need to buff them, on my account my autoloaders have some of best stats for me. @indigo knot thx for the info btw

indigo knot Jun 13, 2019, 2:26 PM

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I wish Rhm borsig and Grille get a bit of love
Rhm should have a more agility and high dpm on the 128mm almost similar to Scorpion g or wz120gft and a bit of gun handling buff on 152mm...Bl10 is way better in every way except for premium rounds ....its got way more Dpm accuracy and monstrous pen nos.

Grille is way bad now ...some good players can make it work but the tank is big has no armour traverse is bad and if you make a bad play even a little you get harshly punished for it ....though the gun is one of the best but why play Grille when you can snipe better with Obj268 which has 25mm better pen on AP and around 50mm on heat with best camo value at tier 10 and has troll armour with gun dep and is versatile and .299 are not bad dispersion nos when fully equipped....(even E3 has better camo rating than Grille)....the turret turning and traverse bloom is way big in grille (many times one need to snapshot in it)
The grille line has actually become a joke except for tier 9 Wt

thin ermine Jun 13, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Congrats wargaming! You have made the Grille line a complete joke! The british TDs are better performing in every single stat from the grille line same tier counterpart. Grille needs a big buff, because you have nerfed it until it fell into the toilet.

teal olive Jun 13, 2019, 2:48 PM

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@lusty silo I don’t like pinging people on this server and especially don’t want to bother you. However, I believe bringing more consumables such as the ones you recently implemented could be a big mistake, not just from a gameplay standpoint but from a balancing standpoint. Blitz standard battles wouldn’t just start to play like a second mad games mode, these consumables would also be difficult to deal with from a balancing perspective. Each nation and line would likely have their own consumables in time, and they’d all have to be balanced accordingly. I understand that these consumables and the new provision were brought in to give these new TDs an edge in battle, but what happens when every single tank/line has a different consumable(s) in the game? It’d be chaotic, not just for us players in battle. But it’d be chaotic and messy to balance out.

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uneven surge Jun 13, 2019, 3:07 PM

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In order to balance against the FV we need WT E100 and Foch autoloader

unique scaffold Jun 13, 2019, 3:46 PM

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@teal olive 👍

steel kayak Jun 13, 2019, 3:47 PM

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instead of releasing new tanks,why you are not improving the matchmaking?

uneven surge Jun 13, 2019, 3:56 PM

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The true issue of matchmaking isn't to improve or not,it's how to improve

torn cliff Jun 13, 2019, 3:59 PM

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@teal olive 👍

unique scaffold Jun 13, 2019, 3:59 PM

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@steel kayak
A. Matchmaking is fine
B. This channel is not intended as place to discuss matchmaking.

dusky oxide Jun 13, 2019, 4:42 PM

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I dont understand why wacky consumables cant be kept in mad games mode where they belong. Why risk the integrity of the most played mode when you can have access to the chaotic but fun environment once in a while.

I agree with @teal olive but I also think that the new consumables dont bring much in terms of variety to the game, they just allow a situational tank to be less vulnerable and more effective in situations where it shouldnt be those things.
Furthermore the game seems to be complicated enough when half the players i see dont even know what role their tank should fulfill. Keep the core game mechanics as they are since they need to be simple. Simple enough for player skill to translate to effective results and fun gameplay and simple enough to be easy to balance. If a wider range of the new consumables become the new norm it will be a nightmare to balance.

Or is the point to push things so far that the game is so chaotic that balancing wont be something to worry about?

To me, the new consumables dont add anything dynamic either. They seem forced and superglued on. They skew the line between knowing how hard to push your tank near the line where it almost falls apart and you die and just having a pre-installed advantage for certain situations.

The thing I'd most dislike would be for these kind of arcade elements to be available for other lines as well. Just because Mad games are popular doesnt mean these things would work as an addition in the main random battle mode. There's a reason stats arent affected by mad games.

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I do appreciate making a survey about it very much though. As long as the fact that what players see as interesting might not be the smartest thing to add is kept in mind. For example the request to add japanese heavies remains a popular comment in most WotB social media posts but we all know they dont fit in the game.

indigo knot Jun 13, 2019, 5:52 PM

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I kind of agree with you but I would still like if spaw liner was added as a provision.....would help low armoured tanks like Sp1c rhm Grille WtPz4 Ru

noble siren Jun 13, 2019, 5:54 PM

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New british td line is OP because of these consumables. The only way to balance this line is to give these special consumables to tanks like Grille Wt auf Pz IV rhm ru and etc, or remove these consumables. Fv can literally carry the game on its own without team help.

unique scaffold Jun 13, 2019, 5:54 PM

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I wait 7 days for a huge container and I get these useless rewards, What a joke.

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charred bobcat Jun 13, 2019, 6:09 PM

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It's free; WG didn't have to give free containers so be grateful. This isn't even the right channel for that anyways.

teal olive Jun 13, 2019, 6:13 PM

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@noble siren then HE may aswell not exist, lol. But I think it is fair for something like the new FV, considering it has grille armor with less mobility and a muuuuuch larger profile... and I definitely don’t think it should be included for fast little light tanks.

hearty cliff Jun 13, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Would it be reasonable to expect a Chieftain/T95 buff in the near future? The big weak spot on the turret makes hulldown tactics impossible, the low alpha+low pen combo isn't great either

noble siren Jun 13, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Instead to make 1300 damage with jgE100 i make 800 what's the point of the HE. Then give it to Grille too.

dusky oxide Jun 13, 2019, 6:29 PM

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@indigo knot I get the sp1c but I think thats the last thing the WTPz4 needs. That tank can and is played so statically that when it gets caught out it should get punished. Also I think a high alpha tank should either be very slow or have no armor just because high alpha allows for less time exposing. There shouldnt be a consumable to change those vulnerabilities when TDs already benefit so much from equipment and the high amount of them in teams.

kind swallow Jun 13, 2019, 7:05 PM

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@hearty cliff in blitz hangar that was change to this weakspot
But I dont see change in game to this

rapid vault Jun 13, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Can i suggest a nerf of the wz-111G FT with my obj 704 i can pen its upper plate until i use gold

twilit crystal Jun 13, 2019, 7:50 PM

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no because the 111g gets worse camo and rof

kind swallow Jun 13, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Can I suggest a nerf to wz 120 ft cos everything

indigo knot Jun 13, 2019, 8:20 PM

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@dusky oxide I don't agree with you on this high alpha also means low rate of fire and can be punished when on reload ....most of them are Tds and can be circled easily....most of the tanks in Grille lines and a few in Leo1 line are made to be bullied if the provision line spawliner is added to just increase that little bit of HE resistance then it is not that wrong to be added...after all it is not the case that they will bounce but just they are not punished massively by the HE shells ....while I am talking about the tank lines not just a single tank and I know WtPz4 is OP but rest of the line bad compared to its counterparts and if you are giving spawliner to others in line you can't not do like let not give Wtpz4 spawliner coz it is OP

dusky oxide Jun 13, 2019, 8:35 PM

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@indigo knot Well is 183 balanced because of its low rof? Tanks dont just stare at each other on flat ground like on armor inspector. They hide during reloads and stay at a distance in a real game environment.

And just because one tank gets an advantage that in this case makes the better than their counterparts doesnt mean some certain tanks should also get it. Imagine if is7 was buffed to match the is4 just because the other was better. Is it fair for a more armored med that doesnt benefit from the HE resistence perk to do less HE dmg to a TD like the WTpz4?

Even if a tank is easily circled doesnt it mean it gets countered easily. Theres many TDs that can be circled easily but not many meds/lights can get close enough in real battles when theres 3 high alpha TDs sitting in cover together. A lot of high tier med players dont even realize to flank in their meds/lights.

dreamy crest Jun 13, 2019, 8:38 PM

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We need only a is 4 buff guys

indigo knot Jun 13, 2019, 8:42 PM

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I give up
Plz don't tag me

dusky oxide Jun 13, 2019, 8:45 PM

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Dont give up, you havent lost anything. its just that youre proving a point of how if added to other tank lines the wacky new consumables can complicate balancing a lot.

dreamy crest Jun 13, 2019, 8:50 PM

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@indigo knot ok, i will not Tag you.

jade cargoBOT Jun 13, 2019, 8:53 PM

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dynoSuccess Gillette36 [-R2SK-]#4836 has been warned.

wet quail Jun 13, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Lmao

cobalt crane Jun 13, 2019, 9:59 PM

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charioteer needs buff to turret traverse it should be as fast as light tank

honest dagger Jun 13, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Lol I sure hope that is sarcasm

near wing Jun 13, 2019, 10:42 PM

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@cobalt crane that when your wrong kiddo the charioteer's turret if I'm correct was hand ceabked until later model, where even then it wasnt very fast becuase of the size and weight of the gun it may be based of a medium tank but that doesnt mean it would have the same traverse speed

dusky oxide Jun 13, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Its sarcasm, cant you tell? A surefire Kappa. Its just with the couple messages above it you wouldnt expect much.

honest dagger Jun 13, 2019, 10:52 PM

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@dusky oxide I’m sorry I didn’t scroll up before I posted that message... no need to get salty

dusky oxide Jun 13, 2019, 11:12 PM

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@honest dagger i didnt mean to appear salty. And i wasnt replying just to you. It seemed like both of you were pondering the possibility :D

It usually takes me a while to decipher some peoples messages here too since you really see all kinds of things posted. I usually check what theyve said before on the server to determine whats behind the message.

gaunt coyote Jun 13, 2019, 11:14 PM

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How exactly is the Conway's 120mm gun balanced? Or the whole tank in general?

For me it is just a bit more sluggish Charioteer but it has 515 alfa HESH and 400 alfa AP. Oh and it reloads 6.7 seconds👀. It is extremely accurate with great pen which are the two things I most adore this thing for. It feels crazy good but I don't mean to appear that I'd moan about it, I just question the balancing for this line.

Loved each and everyone of these tanks so far and I hope that the T10 won't be an exception.

smoky yoke Jun 14, 2019, 12:30 AM

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Conway isn't really that op turret is paper to most ap shells can pen. Where if a conways vs a conway you can hesh each other

olive hawk Jun 14, 2019, 12:37 AM

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visual nimbus Jun 14, 2019, 12:46 AM

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It’s a worse T30 in a way?

teal olive Jun 14, 2019, 12:50 AM

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The things is a bad T30 when it has 5.5. And in my opinion, it’s very much balanced with the 120mm.

twilit dove Jun 14, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Hola mi gente

vagrant stirrup Jun 14, 2019, 1:43 AM

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The T-44 is super hard to win with its stock 85mm gun

nimble zodiac Jun 14, 2019, 1:45 AM

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Stock tanks are kinda supposed to be bad

twilit crystal Jun 14, 2019, 2:05 AM

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@gaunt coyote how do u like the challenger

twilit crystal Jun 14, 2019, 2:48 AM

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As I asked for. ISU 130 pen buff.

clever void Jun 14, 2019, 2:51 AM

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Ya. I’ll just stick with the bl-10

fiery flame Jun 14, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Buff BL-10 pen???

dark pike Jun 14, 2019, 3:38 AM

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why? its already good enough

flat bane Jun 14, 2019, 4:08 AM

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BL 10 has already good pen wym

dark pike Jun 14, 2019, 4:09 AM

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if you're having problem penning, you can't aim with the BL-10

indigo ice Jun 14, 2019, 4:18 AM

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I believe there should be a turret buff for the AMX-50 B (Obviously not like E3 impenetrable). Most of the turret front is around 85-90mm so maybe a buff to make it around 120mm would be nice.

quick violet Jun 14, 2019, 4:32 AM

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That wouldn't make a difference its already 150 mm thick. It does get some troll bounces the way it is now too. Plus it would be really OP if it had a reliable turret with 10° gun depression and an autoloader.

indigo ice Jun 14, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Ah I was expecting someone to mention about that "150mm." Please check on armor inspector, that the top part (20ish% of turret front) of the armor is 150mm, it's an extremely small part of the front, below that though is around 85-95mm, which can be HE penned in some cases. And like I said before, I don't want "E3 hull impenetrable" turret armor, or something like the chieftan mk. 6. I just want all the turret armor, to actually have a somewhat near amount of the stated turret armor values (says 150mm but really means 90mm)And no, it will not be OP, I'd say effective armor of turret with full 10 degrees of gun dep. should be 200-220mm (tier 9-10 pen will still most likely go through) I'm not asking for a kranvanh (or whatever the tier 9-10 swedish heavies on PC), just armor good enough to not get HE penned from the front. And maybe some more bounces. (Also "troll bounces" argument can literally be used on every tank unless RHM-Grille15, that would be absorption from track/gun)

nimble zodiac Jun 14, 2019, 7:05 AM

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What about T57 Heavy tho

orchid grove Jun 14, 2019, 7:05 AM

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@indigo ice not everything needs to have armor. A 50 B shouldn’t need to have armor, and actually, the 50 B on Blitz has decent enough armor already, enough to troll a couple bounces with the mantlet. What 50 B really needs is more mobility to properly differentiate itself.

Also, I’ve never been frontally HE penned in the 50 B, except by premium HESH shells

thick rover Jun 14, 2019, 8:51 AM

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Well I think 57 heavy and 50B are differentiated by speed and armour, one has more speed for less armour one has less speed but sort of good turert armour?

unique scaffold Jun 14, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Both t57 and 50b have their reloading time decreased by 2 seconds on 6.1 test server

gaunt coyote Jun 14, 2019, 9:27 AM

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@twilit crystal
I thought that the Challenger was amazing. So far I have played every tank on the line as a medium tank and been doing great at it.

dim field Jun 14, 2019, 10:00 AM

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I think they were saying the Isu-130 needs a pen buff not the Bl-10 on the Isu-152.
The isu-130 has 230/195/65
The Bl-10 has 286/329/90

fiery flame Jun 14, 2019, 10:18 AM

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Exactly BL-10 needs pen buff

grizzled sleet Jun 14, 2019, 10:21 AM

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Lol is it just me or does anyone a actually carry apcr on the 152

wet quail Jun 14, 2019, 10:27 AM

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It’ll always come in crates first. So quit whining

unique scaffold Jun 14, 2019, 10:31 AM

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@obtuse rover the badger being sold in crates has zero to do with #tank-balance-discussion

indigo knot Jun 14, 2019, 10:44 AM

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I carry 2 apcr in case of e75 or St1 @grizzled sleet

grizzled sleet Jun 14, 2019, 10:44 AM

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Lol, St doesn't need apcr, but E75 I could see

wet quail Jun 14, 2019, 11:33 AM

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Because that’s totally about balance

drowsy plaza Jun 14, 2019, 12:08 PM

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Stick to balance discussion

dense walrus Jun 14, 2019, 1:36 PM

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@drowsy plaza hey, what are your thoughts on Badger? is it balanced?

grave bear Jun 14, 2019, 1:37 PM

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Lmao unbelievable, WG nerfed probably the worst new british tank conway, and didnt touch the super op charioteer, no words
6.1 preview

twilit crystal Jun 14, 2019, 1:44 PM

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@grave bear thats coz it was just a bug mostly like BDR or a-20 was never the intended stats WG wanted

drowsy plaza Jun 14, 2019, 1:49 PM

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@dense walrus caveat 1) I don’t have it. 2) Everyone I saw play it was a fantastic player already. It’s got no turret - so it’s going to be limited to your team to a point - even though it’s a monster when hulldown - it’s pretty soft if flanked.

dense walrus Jun 14, 2019, 1:49 PM

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interesting does the 460 gun cut it at tier 10

candid pasture Jun 14, 2019, 1:49 PM

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i got the badger and i have to say thats its pretty ok, armour's good but if you are flanked even with equipment you can still die fast. your turn speed is slow as hell

gilded pivot Jun 14, 2019, 2:01 PM

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<@&481447501690568709> is this allowed?^ it's off topic as well

jade cargoBOT Jun 14, 2019, 2:03 PM

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dynoSuccess FÅrHáÑ__#2462 has been warned.

grave bear Jun 14, 2019, 2:38 PM

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@twilit crystal LMAO so wg was intended to put these stats on Charioteer 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 👌

twilit crystal Jun 14, 2019, 2:40 PM

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yes lol. Fortunately not all super tests are unicums

twilit crystal Jun 14, 2019, 2:58 PM

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wow the type 61 is now gonna be a patton with no armor at all instead of troll but better pen

visual nimbus Jun 14, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Badger definitely looks balanced

grave bear Jun 14, 2019, 3:06 PM

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imo leo1 deserves a buff, its the least armored tier X except grille, even batchat has better armor.
leo1 is not even that fast compared to 140

unique scaffold Jun 14, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Quoi

dusky oxide Jun 14, 2019, 3:22 PM

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U mean a buff. I agree, and having great gun stats and dpm isnt the whole story when you actually need to expose a lot to get shots off in real gameplay. Its another tank that suffers from being balanced for unicums.

spark badge Jun 14, 2019, 3:24 PM

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So the badger is out bois gl penetrating frontal and the thing is op as heck!!!! But a good tank to push flank with meds like a foch

grave bear Jun 14, 2019, 3:25 PM

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@dusky oxide yeah lol lmfao thx
b @spark badge badger got nerfed a lot since pre release, now is not unpenetrable.

spark badge Jun 14, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Yes lower plate but try to pen the whole front plates can u say 🍅 and it did great but have u face one in battle already ? Not a tank u want to be looking at lol

visual nimbus Jun 14, 2019, 3:46 PM

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150mm if side armor too....

hushed fox Jun 14, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Did you just say the Badger can push a flank with meds like a Foch?? When the Foch can go 50 klm and the Badger only 30? 🙄

twilit crystal Jun 14, 2019, 4:05 PM

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yeah badger is definetely better against heavies. Toirtoise can't even be compared besides ROF. Toirtoise has garbage armor and no mobility at all

fiery flame Jun 14, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Not all that relating to balance but after playing the badger it is evident to me it performs like a better tortoise and WG really should have made it a tech tree tank to replace the 183 or at least sit alongside it.

Only thing which I don’t like about the badger is the slow traverse, a buff to that would be nice but it would probably make the tank unbalanced.

dreamy crest Jun 14, 2019, 4:17 PM

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@fiery flame in the pc Version the badger is the Tier 10 tank from tortoise

fringe summit Jun 14, 2019, 4:24 PM

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I have 4300 avg dmg in AMX 50B, and it get buffed next patch😏

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safe canopy Jun 14, 2019, 4:25 PM

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1 battle...

meager spruce Jun 14, 2019, 4:29 PM

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it is still 4200 av damage.

indigo knot Jun 14, 2019, 4:47 PM

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@fiery flame what are your thoughts about Badger.... better E3 and OP or a well balanced ....you have played it so wanted to ask you
I have heard mixed opinion about this tank but personally I feel in pub battles it is gonna be OP as many don't know how to aim

fiery flame Jun 14, 2019, 5:14 PM

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@indigo knot The armour is pretty much impenetrable if you are using gun depression and hiding the lower plate, but the armour is quite easy to pen on flat ground.

The gun is very nice, 8 sec reload for 460 alpha with decent pen, 10 degrees of gun depression and also very accurate, no complaints here.

The speed is what ultimately balances the tank, the traverse is awful, less than tortoise I think, and the top speed is only 30. If mediums or heavies or anything which isn’t a T95 decided to circle you u dead.

I think it’s a very nice tank and when comparing it to the E3 I wouldn’t say it’s much better, I have played both and they are both just as strong.

My best game in it so far was a 1 vs 3 (IS7, Waffle and JgE100) I was hull down and there was nothing they could do to me while I shredded them with the dpm on this thing

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viscid elk Jun 14, 2019, 5:32 PM

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how did u get that

teal olive Jun 14, 2019, 5:34 PM

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I believe the badger will entirely replace the T110E3 in terms of competitiveness... it is so much better in just about every way. And I have no problem with tier ten premiums because I figured WG would sell them at one point, but I feel like the badger is just too good compared to the others. This tank could be a gateway for pay to win meta from tier eight entering tier ten.

violet sonnet Jun 14, 2019, 5:55 PM

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121b > 121 in its usefulness now im hearing Badger > e3 we can argue Chieftain is more useful than Fv-215b all these tanks are "enriched" so fear of balance is out there. Honestly things might get silent (soft stats nerf) but all in all no hard number adjustments will be made to a tank that you BUY

no complaining here, just noting what I see. obv. not a 100% truth .... would be much much better for the game if these pay-to-play tanks did NOT compete directly with the roles of tech tree variants.

fiery flame Jun 14, 2019, 5:56 PM

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@teal olive I think you’re overestimating the Badger

quick lichen Jun 14, 2019, 6:02 PM

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@violet sonnet T-22 is situationally better as well

vapid isle Jun 14, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Does anybody know what the 5 in the loading symbol is

marble nexus Jun 14, 2019, 7:08 PM

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My KpfPz70 bounced a few shots from the badger,some from above on the Normandy map & 1 or 2 at point blank range 😎

placid fjord Jun 14, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Balance the crates

grizzled sleet Jun 14, 2019, 7:51 PM

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I would like to see nerfs happen to collectors you buy, but I'd still like to see them better than most tech trees, cuz I paid for it. Also I'm gonna be reasonable here and say I'm fine with crates, but and I can't stress this enough ONLY for tier 10s and only for their debut

sullen vault Jun 14, 2019, 7:55 PM

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@vapid isle this is not the place to ask but to answer your question.It represents the 5th anniversary of blitz

orchid grove Jun 14, 2019, 8:13 PM

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E3 is definitely better than the Badger, E3 has much better alpha, pen, gun handling, armor, and more mobility. All Badger has is more DPM and gun depression. Honestly, even the test version of Badger was worse than E3, let alone the severely nerfed release version

safe canopy Jun 14, 2019, 8:42 PM

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e3 doesnt have more mobility, badger has the better gun handling and e3 has the hatch on top which gets penned by Heavy and td gold

fringe summit Jun 14, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Dude, Even HEAT from jageroo cant go trough an unangled badger

kind swallow Jun 14, 2019, 8:47 PM

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@unique scaffold
Well
Idk of its credit coeficient
But if u r not a collector it s probably not worth it

orchid grove Jun 14, 2019, 8:59 PM

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@safe canopy Badger has a speed limit of 30 compared to E3’s 35, has worse traverse, and does not nearly have enough p/w ratio to compensate. Also, Badger has .26/.26 gun handling compared with E3’s .2/.2. .26/.26 is HORRIFIC. That’s literally IS-5 levels of gun handling. Only KV-2 and Grille have worse. Also, @fringe summit the Badger only has up to 370mm effective armor, down to ~340 in the cheeks. It doesn’t matter that the E3 has a hatch that can be penned by heavy/TD gold when the entire front of the Badger can be penned by the same shells. On top of this, Badger’s upper hull can be spammed with HE which will splash into the thin roof armor causing significant damage. Moreover, the Badger’s gun sits really low, barely above its lower plate weakspot. This makes hiding the lower plate difficult, since the slightest mistake will expose the lower plate to the enemy, whereas E3’s gun sits comfortably higher making going hulldown much easier

safe canopy Jun 14, 2019, 9:01 PM

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facts. E3 doesnt reach it top speed, while badger may have way worse dispersion on the move it still has the better overall dispersion and aim time and as u see better hp/t and just 1 degree less traverse while having way way better armor in the sides (101mm) behind the tracks which is so much more comfortable than the e3's 44mm, Im just glad its not a flat out replacement for the e3 they both have their usage

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indigo knot Jun 14, 2019, 9:01 PM

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I snapped a shot in 268 with heat on badger ... though I use calibrated shells on 268

grave bear Jun 14, 2019, 9:07 PM

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imo e3 is better than badger. e3 has more armor, badger can still be penned if not in depression, plus if someone is above you can go trough ezly, E3 is closely totally HE proof in hulldown, badger is not.
@grizzled sleet lmao that cupola which no one will actually ever hit except obj263 or some other meds sitting in front of it, plus in depression is totally covered

grizzled sleet Jun 14, 2019, 9:12 PM

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E3 has a 76mm cupola

safe canopy Jun 14, 2019, 9:12 PM

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I also still think the e3 is better, but that doesnt make the badger horrible, It has other strenghts like the 140/62a its just personal preference, but the unnerfed badger was definently better than the e3.

fringe summit Jun 14, 2019, 9:14 PM

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I have E3 and I can say that Badger is much better

twilit crystal Jun 14, 2019, 9:14 PM

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im just happy th ebadger was nerfed from test. We didn't need a niche tank required for some maps in t10 tourneys

orchid grove Jun 14, 2019, 9:15 PM

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Having played the Badger. I can tell you that the dispersion and aim time don’t mean squat because Badger needs to constantly take shots after moving. Poor gun arc means you have to traverse a lot, and low speed/low alpha means you need to constantly move into new positions to take shots. Also, the 30km/h speed limit is incredibly limiting, whereas E3 can and will hit its top speed on flat ground and downhill. And the armor just doesn’t work as well as E3’s armor. Hiding the lower plate is much harder, and Badger can be penned even when hull down; also the lower plate won’t get the same kind of bounces E3’s will. I won’t deny Badger is a good tank, but it’s just not as good as E3 in the slow fortress TD role

@grave bear the Badger’s armor wasn’t touched at all; they just nerfed the DPM by like 400, the p/w, and the gun handling

grave bear Jun 14, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Pre nerf badger was horribly OP, badger in -10 degrees now has same armor values as Badger pre nerf in flat ground, but badger pre nerf also had 300mm lower plate and better bloom
pretty sure badger will be totally useless in tours, Just put IS-4 in his stead... done.... if you want better gun depression take e3 and you also have more alpha.,

quick lichen Jun 14, 2019, 9:17 PM

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But they did nerf the badger

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Hard

indigo knot Jun 14, 2019, 9:20 PM

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@quick lichen Which one do you prefer more E3 or Badger...and will it be replacing E3 in tournaments

quick lichen Jun 14, 2019, 9:20 PM

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I don’t like playing either honestly. Boring gameplay