#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 131

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 9:20 PM

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In armour yes only I never said anything about gun idk why you keep saying that.... as you said “tiger p armour is good” right here

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:20 PM

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so, what's your damned point, one time and for ever? .

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 9:21 PM

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That one is my point both got good armour from front that was it.

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And that’s why they in same line....

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:22 PM

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again, tiger P's front armor is good but is anyway nothing closely comparable to vk100p's front armor, since anything with gold can go trough tiger p like butter while in vk100p's armor profile changes nothing, still just small cheecks, cupola and lower plate penetrable. LMAO tanks in same line have same playstyle? talk about su122-54 and obj263 so, or panther II and e50, or Tiger I and tiger II.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 9:24 PM

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That is true I never said tiger p armour would never be good as vk 100 ones a tier 8 facing tier 9 and other is facing tier 6-8

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:24 PM

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not every tank in the same tech tree is supposed to have same playstyle. tiger P is totally different from vk100p, they're used in a TOTALLY different way. the fact that tiger P can sometime bounce some low credits tier 7 players doesnt mean it has similar front armor of vk100, plus tiger P is closely 2 times faster than vk100, with half alpha, with more than 2 times faster reload time and 2 times better accuracy.

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 9:24 PM

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They do play SU-122-54 like a yolowagon : P

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Tortoise to death star would be a prime example tho

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:26 PM

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the difference between tiger P and vk100p is the same as the difference between Panther I and Tiger II. how the hell can you say they have something in common? well at least panther I and tiger II have in common the laser accuracy.

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 9:26 PM

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A troll turret

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Now let’s talk about Löwe if we talkin accuracy 😉

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:30 PM

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it has same accuracy as tiger II )or tiger II slightly better idk)

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 9:30 PM

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It does? Huh...

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:30 PM

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yeah i prefer tiger II over lowe btw

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Lowe is slightly more accurate and has better gun stats but Tiger has maneuverability

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:32 PM

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yeah lowe has slightlky better accuracy, btw is not that noticeble, the problem is that lowe has way better pen and dpm

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Lel, and the armor is more reliable, seems it’s a bit OP for a Tiger II

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:33 PM

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idk i prefer tiger II, difference in speed makes tiger II more versatile by a lot , even if they have both 38 top speed, tiger II is always at 37-38 accelerating slower than is3, while lowe is way back at 30km(accelerating even slower, )

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 9:33 PM

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I prefer Löwe : P even without that great credit boost

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:34 PM

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btw i have a theory over accuracy on the move values.

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 9:34 PM

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I’m more of a heavy player anyways, I play heavies constantly

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:35 PM

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you know that if you go just forward, you'll have summed that value of on the move accuracy for moving the tank, but it's not always the same, if you go at 100km your dispersion on the move will be worse even if the tank is the same, so im thinking that the on the move accuracy shown in blitz hangar is a value based on the accuracy on the move of the average tank's speed

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 9:35 PM

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Yes...?

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:36 PM

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lowe is slightly slower than tiger II, the gun is the same, so lowe is slightly better accurate.

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Yeh

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Dispersion is 1 centimeter less at base anyways

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:39 PM

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but idk, i still dont know how that value works, but a thing is 100% sure, accuracy on the move depends also on the tank's speed, the faster you go the worse your accuracy will be, so the values in blitzhangar should be made over average tank's speed or just over a fixed km/h value for all tanks, for testing this out is7 and e100 are needed, if my theory is correct, is7 going full speed will have same accuracy on the move as e100 going also full speed, if these values are based on fixed km/h speed, is7 will have worse accuracy than e100.

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 9:40 PM

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It should but suspension I’m pretty sure increases accuracy, that would be realistic

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:40 PM

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the problem is how would you check that in game, maybe making screenshots of both tanks' reticles played on the sam device, and then overlaying them

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Speed should indirectly affect a tank’s accuracy, agreed. 👍

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:41 PM

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it does, because accuracy doesnt instatly goes up once you go forward at 1km/h from 0, but im about sure that these are values based on fixed accuracy, in fact the super slow vk100 with his super bad accuracy comparable with is5, at max speed has way smaller reticle than is5 going also full speed, this is noticeable even by eye

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 9:42 PM

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Because movement delay? .-.

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:43 PM

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no, it goes gradually, if you go at 1km/h instead of staying still, your accuracy wont change that much, cant even notice. the same speech works for turret traverse accuracy and tank traverse accuracy, for these 2 the accuracy on the move gets added instantly, since you're instantly at your max traverse speed.

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 9:44 PM

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I thought you mean instantly going up, not going as bad as if you were going max instantly : P

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:45 PM

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this should be the reason why e100 feels more accurate than is7, even if they have all same values except turret traverse.

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also means that for super slow tanks vertical stab is less effective, because on the move values are added in a minor value, while the other equipment works always

drowsy plaza May 21, 2019, 10:18 PM

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@wooden gazelle reticle discussion

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@grave bear Dan did a chart on this on the NA Forum. He may have some data easily posted here but yes you are correct

wooden gazelle May 21, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Can you give me a TL;DR of the discussion?

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Or like a starting point of the discussion? @drowsy plaza

grave bear May 21, 2019, 10:37 PM

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@wooden gazelle started exactly 50 minutes before your msg, if you meant one in this discord

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 10:40 PM

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Dang

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Still on the tiger p

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And vk

wooden gazelle May 21, 2019, 10:53 PM

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So the way I understand accuracy is that the total dispersion increases on an equation that is something similar to

Total D = Base D + [(Turret Bloom x Turret Speed + Movement Bloom x Movement Speed + Traverse Bloom x Traverse Speed) / (Aimtime x Time)]

Because your gun is always "aiming in", while your bloom is increasing at a rate relative to speed, it's also decreasing at a rate relative to time. Therefore your total bloom's going to increase at a much slower rate if the tank is accelerating slowly compared to throttle-down.

As for the aiming reticle and aiming circle, the aiming circle in-game seems to be just an animation that is an approximation of your dispersion, with an absolute maximum size that may be smaller than your actual maximum dispersion. This is probably due to technical limitations with the game app.

Any questions @grave bear ?

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Now, that's the best fit for what I've seen in-game, I don't have confirmation from developers or anything like that, so take this information with a grain or two of salt.

grave bear May 21, 2019, 10:58 PM

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yeah thx
in big lines seems to work like that

indigo knot May 21, 2019, 11:03 PM

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Is6 needs a buff.....

grave bear May 21, 2019, 11:04 PM

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it's going to get a turret cupolas buff in 6.0

indigo knot May 21, 2019, 11:04 PM

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It has worst armour ....worst dpm and worst pen ....and with 252u incoming its useless to have it in garage

lunar niche May 21, 2019, 11:05 PM

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So, is Refined Gun better for slow heavies like Maus, VK100? I usually go with VStab on evrything except Tds.

grave bear May 21, 2019, 11:05 PM

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@indigo knot ikr tell that to wg, it has also same speed as 252u

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@lunar niche Maus is an exception, due to his playstyle in close range you're forced to always shoot enemies whithout stopping turning your turret otherwise they will ez pen you, so it's better V Stab, but in e100 i use refined gun

drowsy plaza May 22, 2019, 12:27 AM

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@grave bear interesting. Do you leave the turret offset and just traverse the hull - or due to long reload just let it sit a bit. I constantly wobble my E100 turret so I couldn’t ever use Ref Gun.

nimble zodiac May 22, 2019, 12:48 AM

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The Maus gun is pretty stable when trying to angle the turret then trying to fire back

grave bear May 22, 2019, 12:59 AM

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yes maus has bad accuracy when moving hull, but traverse turret is pretty okay, with v stab u can shoot while moving turret without problems

fathom glacier May 22, 2019, 5:26 AM

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Ok

dense cove May 22, 2019, 7:22 AM

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hi all i am new

cobalt spade May 22, 2019, 8:15 AM

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Hi new. I’m Rusk

humble spear May 22, 2019, 11:49 AM

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microsoft store

cloud dome May 22, 2019, 11:58 AM

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@unique scaffold you can’t if you on a mac but if you on window use that ☝️

drowsy plaza May 22, 2019, 12:05 PM

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You can get it via the App Store on Mac. I have it on mine (I just use it for replay watching on the big screen)

cloud dome May 22, 2019, 12:09 PM

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I mean for Mac laptop/ desktop. I could not find it there but I could also be semi blind.

zenith steppe May 22, 2019, 12:20 PM

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Tog is awesome

fringe summit May 22, 2019, 12:33 PM

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Get balanced! But why did I got 1101 dmg instead of 1100? I didnt do any ramming

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crystal spoke May 22, 2019, 12:51 PM

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It says 1100 in the screenshot

Also #screenshots

cunning vapor May 22, 2019, 1:00 PM

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He means the counter in the left side

modest grove May 22, 2019, 1:39 PM

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If u used He you could have done splash damage to another tank but seeing that u used AP I have no idea.🤔

quick lichen May 22, 2019, 1:41 PM

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He wouldn’t have penetrated to damage the ammo rack...

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They would have done ~150 damage and that’s it

drowsy plaza May 22, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Splash damage to another red from the ammo rack explosion

cunning vapor May 22, 2019, 3:13 PM

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But all nearby reds have full health. I think its a display bug.

nimble zodiac May 22, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Maybe you killed a rock you ran over

unique scaffold May 22, 2019, 3:34 PM

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Lol.

lost island May 22, 2019, 4:27 PM

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@cloud dome i play on macbook

cloud dome May 22, 2019, 4:27 PM

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@lost island I also do but it’s threw steam

rancid drift May 22, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Just saw a t-49 insta-Jill 3 people with ammo rack hits. Does it get an extra bonus towards that

distant river May 22, 2019, 5:25 PM

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T49 has high module damage yes

lost island May 22, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Yes

jagged helm May 22, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Hyy just a question

Since last update, there is no more spécial mm for -5000battles accounts ?

undone isle May 22, 2019, 6:04 PM

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3lo pl

wet quail May 22, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Why was smasher even introduced? I can’t think of anything more idiotic than giving a tier 7 armour, 152mm gun that’s accurate and mobility with the ability to snipe. WG do you ever test drive these tanks or think once about game balance? It’s so dam irritating I want to explode

dim field May 22, 2019, 7:31 PM

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It's a mad game edition of a kv-2 but thrown into tier 8 games. Cool looking tank they knew would sell well.

lost island May 22, 2019, 7:31 PM

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yes

gloomy dragon May 22, 2019, 7:31 PM

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More or less a blatant cash grab.

unique scaffold May 22, 2019, 7:33 PM

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$$$

wispy fog May 22, 2019, 7:45 PM

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@WG @MOD @SUPPORT I need help

compact sundial May 22, 2019, 7:46 PM

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What is your problem?

unique scaffold May 22, 2019, 7:48 PM

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@wispy fog. This isn't the place for that. Go to #general-blitz-discussion and let's chat

wispy fog May 22, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Ok

dull ermine May 22, 2019, 8:38 PM

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has anybody else had to experience the frustration that is the vk 28.01

distant river May 22, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Vk28.01 is a nice tank

dull ermine May 22, 2019, 8:39 PM

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it's guns just feel so weak

unique scaffold May 22, 2019, 8:39 PM

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@dull ermine the VK.28 is one of the best lights at tier VI.

median gust May 22, 2019, 8:39 PM

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True

dull ermine May 22, 2019, 8:40 PM

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really?

distant river May 22, 2019, 8:40 PM

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You think its bad try playing the type 64

dull ermine May 22, 2019, 8:40 PM

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jeez, I must be pretty bad then

distant river May 22, 2019, 8:41 PM

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It takes a bit of getting used to using your speed all the time

unique scaffold May 22, 2019, 8:42 PM

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The Type 64 should be so much better than it is.

dull ermine May 22, 2019, 8:42 PM

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maybe I should just treat it like a faster tog with a slower firerate

unique scaffold May 22, 2019, 8:43 PM

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I think a smidge more gun depression and a higher top end speed would do the trick.

@dull ermine this would be easier to discuss in #vehicles-discussion

distant river May 22, 2019, 8:44 PM

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More speed would definitely make it unique and gd is always helpful and would make for the restbof its shortfalls

ivory fractal May 22, 2019, 8:44 PM

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@wet quail I don’t know maybe just MAYBE WG wanted to make some money

dull ermine May 22, 2019, 8:46 PM

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@unique scaffold I actually wanted to talk about how it's strongest gun is a tier v gun with a max pen of like 80 using gold

unique scaffold May 22, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Don't use that gun.

dull ermine May 22, 2019, 8:47 PM

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sounds like a plan

charred bobcat May 22, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Just dont drive into the enemy team at the beginning of the battle

unique scaffold May 22, 2019, 8:49 PM

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@dull ermineuse the 7.5 / 5.5 waffe

twilit crystal May 22, 2019, 9:16 PM

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the top end speed is fine onthe type 64. Its the accelearation

flat zephyr May 22, 2019, 9:25 PM

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And type64's gun is bad. Really bad

wet quail May 22, 2019, 9:27 PM

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@ivory fractal haven’t they got enough of that stuff?! About 1 billion too much?

clever void May 22, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Only 80% wr in vk28.01. Yes definitely buff it

unique scaffold May 22, 2019, 10:05 PM

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@twilit crystal more speed never hurt. The Duster chassis was pretty quick. But I'd settle for another degree or three of gun depression and better acceleration.

drowsy plaza May 22, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Wait someone complained about the Vk 28.01 ?

lost island May 22, 2019, 11:30 PM

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yes

shrewd kiln May 23, 2019, 12:28 AM

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Lmao.

clever void May 23, 2019, 12:31 AM

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They nerfed the dpm in last update by just a lil bit. But the tank is still fantastic

shrewd kiln May 23, 2019, 12:32 AM

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It truly is. I felt it to be ~~kinda~~ OP but not anymore for some reason. But that's just my playstyle, I'm doing some minor things worse with it than a month ago.

clever void May 23, 2019, 12:33 AM

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The biggest problem I have in light tanks is lag. Since last update I’ve avoided playing fast tanks

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But check out this account. It’s my reroll. BoogyWoogy765. I’ve got better stats at tier 8 in ru then most guys at tier 10

shrewd kiln May 23, 2019, 12:35 AM

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I've got lags since two days. Not always but they do occur and yeah, when you drive something fast with little armor that's annoying as hell.

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But at the moment I'm mainly driving my newly bought Löwe, just save up a bunch of credits for buying T57 Heavy and IS-7. I'll maybe also buy VK 72 or Mäuschen if I feel like it. [When I have the Mäuschen researched I have all german heavies researched]

clever void May 23, 2019, 12:38 AM

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Nice. That’s some commitment. I’m 200k from STB1 then imma wait for the FV line

shrewd kiln May 23, 2019, 12:48 AM

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I'm also doing the japanese line and will probably do the new FV line. I have the Chi-Ri fully upgraded und the Firefly researched but not yet bought. I'm not quiete sure which will be my first Tier 10 med but probably the STB-1. Other ones I'm working on are E50 M and FV4202.
If we wanna keep chatting about that we should perhaps change the channel. xD

lost island May 23, 2019, 2:16 AM

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thats like a 3 months of grind...

teal olive May 23, 2019, 2:51 AM

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#general-blitz-discussion

crystal spoke May 23, 2019, 3:37 AM

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#502019319417405441 and wait isn't it against the eula to play if your under 13?

paper sparrow May 23, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Ur dumb @keen dagger

crystal spoke May 23, 2019, 3:48 AM

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I wouldn't advertise theta your actively breaking the eula on the official discord of the game

paper sparrow May 23, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Imagine asking for a platoon thinking someone’s gonna say yes

crystal spoke May 23, 2019, 3:49 AM

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It happens just almst never when it's out of its designated spot #502019319417405441

paper sparrow May 23, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Too many channels fam

crystal spoke May 23, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Not really it keeps everything nice and organized

paper sparrow May 23, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Ic

crystal spoke May 23, 2019, 3:52 AM

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Which can help in moderation but really we should move to #off-topic-discussion

paper sparrow May 23, 2019, 3:52 AM

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K

quiet forum May 23, 2019, 5:32 AM

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Yeet

harsh ravine May 23, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Conqueror is such an inconvenient tank

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turret is absolutely useless with the 7 degrees of gun depression. It needs a turret buff. I wouldn’t care if I have to sacrifice DPM, as long it gets a turret buff.

unique scaffold May 23, 2019, 7:42 AM

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You're not playing it how it's supposed to then

deft owl May 23, 2019, 9:29 AM

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Type 64 needs better gun depression and better terrain resistances at medium and soft terrain.

unique scaffold May 23, 2019, 9:41 AM

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Matchmaker should consider stock tanks. 4 stock tanks vs 5 maxed out in one battle is not a balance. Crew development is killing fun.

empty ice May 23, 2019, 9:46 AM

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^

flat zephyr May 23, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Type64 needs better gun(dpm, aim)

unique scaffold May 23, 2019, 9:55 AM

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There gun on the 64 is workable. I'd much rather have more depression and better mobility.

icy eagle May 23, 2019, 10:56 AM

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I wish the is had more hull armor

indigo knot May 23, 2019, 12:57 PM

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I would love to see most of the tier 8 buffed up..... with the new premiums incoming the tech tree and old premiums are getting power creeped.....they only sometimes get higher win rate when veterans play them.....

unique scaffold May 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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And that would get you where? Try to play tier 7 if every tier 8 gets buffed

odd plinth May 23, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Balance the reporting system.

cunning kindle May 23, 2019, 2:36 PM

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I think at this point even wg realises tier 8 is almost impossible to balance, coz if they balance tier 8, the only thing they can do is buff the tech tree tanks as they cannot nerf prems
But when they do that, tier 7s will start underperforming and then they have to do same with tier 7 and then same with tier 6 and so on

wet quail May 23, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Exactly

rugged trail May 23, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Cough cough WZ-120-1 ft cough

cobalt crane May 23, 2019, 3:21 PM

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the type 64 is a tank that should be op but isnt

zenith sand May 23, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Yeppp... He is a tank with gasoline on he's side... everytime I show my left side... BOOM fire

lost island May 23, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Tog needs more armor

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With all the new tanks its become almost useless

distant river May 23, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Tog is fine how it is

lucid wraith May 23, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Dude i hate that wargaming didnt listen to the old players and they just heard the new players and they complain about the tanks to nerf them the game in my opinion was better in the last two years than now

lost island May 23, 2019, 4:07 PM

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Yes

lucid wraith May 23, 2019, 4:07 PM

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Like Game suck but i keep playing u know hahaha

patent light May 23, 2019, 4:18 PM

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wish the Krupp 38 wasn't a tier 5, i was expecting a tier 7 light tank, it's ashame to, they did such a great job on it's model

soft spindle May 23, 2019, 4:27 PM

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And it Broken

flat zephyr May 23, 2019, 4:27 PM

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@unique scaffold if the gun wasn't workable, the tank would be underperforming but type64 isn't a bad tank. Just it's not good though. Acceleration would be good, but gun depression will make it awesome so they won't give it. I think a 0.3 or 0.4 second reload decrease would make the tank a good one

quick lichen May 23, 2019, 4:49 PM

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@lucid wraith what does that have to do with #tank-balance-discussion ?

lucid wraith May 23, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Just saying my opinion srry 🤣

high lantern May 23, 2019, 5:20 PM

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1 vs 4 situation and nice no ace......

unique scaffold May 23, 2019, 5:21 PM

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@high lantern screenshots

high lantern May 23, 2019, 5:26 PM

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here is most active

unique scaffold May 23, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Irrelevant

rugged trail May 23, 2019, 6:21 PM

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The mm needs to be balanced

unique scaffold May 23, 2019, 6:22 PM

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@rugged trail
A. It is balanced. There almost always the same amount of tanks on the red and green team.
B. Read the pinned messages.

rugged trail May 23, 2019, 6:27 PM

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But anyway the Pershing seems “eh” I’ve had some good games in it but it feels a little lacking

clever void May 23, 2019, 6:28 PM

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I skipped it but regret it. I love the entire line with the m46 being my favorite

unique scaffold May 23, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Tier VIII mediums in general seem lacking.

rugged trail May 23, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Super Pershing is okay obviously a little slow

unique scaffold May 23, 2019, 6:36 PM

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I wouldn't say they are bad... Just that the jump from VII to VIII seems lackluster.

golden roost May 23, 2019, 8:45 PM

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Does anyone know if the hybrid nation tanks will once again become available to buy?

distant river May 23, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Most of them come up for sale every now and then

golden roost May 23, 2019, 8:47 PM

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I'm anticipating two tanks in particular: The Hafen and The Edelweiss

distant river May 23, 2019, 8:49 PM

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They probably arent coming back, at least not anytime soon. WG will probably need to do some more deals for licensing to sell them which is too muh effort

golden roost May 23, 2019, 8:50 PM

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So basically... I'm SOL?

distant river May 23, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Looks like it

golden roost May 23, 2019, 8:52 PM

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Drat...

empty hawk May 23, 2019, 10:27 PM

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What if they added a mode where there were 10 Tier 10 tanks vs one P1000 Die Ratte.

unique scaffold May 23, 2019, 10:43 PM

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@keen dagger consequences

tame plume May 23, 2019, 11:19 PM

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@empty hawk rip the phones of many people

grave bear May 23, 2019, 11:31 PM

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P1000 ratte would die in 10 seconds since even in blueprints it was just 5 times Maus' weight, while being x10 times bigger and just its turret weights like 1.5 maus.
}}= it would've had something like 50mm of armor and some strong structure barrels, maybe 10k HP but still paper armored

unique scaffold May 23, 2019, 11:32 PM

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should I sell my Cromwell B to get the M41 walker bulldog?

grave bear May 23, 2019, 11:33 PM

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@unique scaffold u mean bromwell? prem one?
obviusly not, it's super good, i would never sell a tier 6+ prem tank, credits made with it in 2 hours of playing are worth the selling price

unique scaffold May 23, 2019, 11:33 PM

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yeah the premium one

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@grave bear k

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@unique scaffold absolutely not

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Earning credits isn't hard. Use the Bromwell to grind out what you need.

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I grind credits in my T34

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the premium tank I want is the T49 A

quartz crown May 24, 2019, 12:30 AM

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@unique scaffold just sell the Cromwell it’s not that good anyways

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 1:13 AM

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That is bad advice. Don't listen to it.

supple thistle May 24, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Please God, don't bring back the T49A. That was pure cancer

cobalt crane May 24, 2019, 2:01 AM

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@quartz crown just stop

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Bromwell is one of the best tier 6 tanks

quartz crown May 24, 2019, 2:02 AM

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@cobalt crane it is my opinion that the Cromwell b is bad and I recommend u play the KV-2 and KV-1s for a quality tier 6 option

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Having the alpha and the big damage is very important and the Cromwell has very bad armor and the gun is not good

cobalt crane May 24, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Lmao, I bet @unique scaffold would disagree, it is not Important, bromwell have a fast reload, insane mobility, I could beat any tier 6 tank in it

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 2:06 AM

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not a KV-2 it would 1 shot u

quartz crown May 24, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Why should I care about the opinion of some player on the na server?

Fast reload does not matter when u can’t do more than 160 off peeks and the pen is a problem so it’s unreliable

iron lynx May 24, 2019, 2:07 AM

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KV-2 is not a quality tier 6 lol

warped anchor May 24, 2019, 2:38 AM

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Umm im pretty sure every single medium has similar pen numbers or worse for its tier.

dim field May 24, 2019, 2:45 AM

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Comparing a kv-2/kv-1s to a bromwell seems like an odd choice

indigo knot May 24, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Pz4Schmalturm is best tier 6

shrewd kiln May 24, 2019, 2:49 AM

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TOG is best Tier 6.

quick lichen May 24, 2019, 2:49 AM

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Button isn’t being serious

iron lynx May 24, 2019, 2:49 AM

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KV-1S is best tier 6.

shrewd kiln May 24, 2019, 2:49 AM

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Jagdpanzer IV is balanced.

visual nimbus May 24, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Easy 8 best tier 6 :>

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.....

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 3:05 AM

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Literal god

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Ping Doomy 5 more times no balls. Also rip you

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This is like when the LTTB Got a nerf because, you see, it basically ruined the tank and LTTB meta itself and made that particularly line less fun to play and was harder to enjoy as a big part of that link took a hard nerf which very much indeed made many LTTB mainers sad, but on the contrast, encouraged them to pay other tanks as the LTTB was not the only one.

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But did the LTTB ever wait 1 minute to attack? Nope, LTTB players rushed right in 😎 After choosing their targets, of course

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Maybe

visual nimbus May 24, 2019, 3:11 AM

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There are literally hundreds of conversations held here. @keen dagger

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 3:12 AM

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@visual nimbus Just like the hundreds of tanks in the game currently! World of Tanks Blitz, free to play. Play now on any platform!

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But one of the tanks currently ruling over the RU 251. Goes zoom zoom too fast and that HE pen has pretty much 251 mils of pen. Very uncool to others but very cool to the driver.

visual nimbus May 24, 2019, 3:14 AM

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I can swipe up 20 times and only just now see yesterday’s convos....anyway best not to complain and keep the section #tank-balance-discussion only.

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 3:15 AM

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Yes, we must discuss the RU 251’s role in blitz and it’s position of power currently it has over tier 8 tanks and players and how it needs to be nerfed to stop it

visual nimbus May 24, 2019, 3:16 AM

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RU 251 is a great tank but nowhere near OP

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 3:18 AM

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That’s where I beg to differ, you see, the RU 251 is very much OP.

It’s extremely mobile and fast
it’s HE pen is above average meaning it can pump out 300-450 damage shots every few seconds
It’s German so it automatically has a cool factor many tanks don’t get the honor of having

visual nimbus May 24, 2019, 3:26 AM

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Sure it has some very decent traits...but it doesn’t have armor and any tank can effectively HE them. So while your pumping out 300+ damage shots everyone else bigger than a 90mm is hitting you with high alpha shots. Also HE has a lot of weaknesses and RU only has 1300 hp...

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Basically the same thing with the M41 90mm. Don’t get me wrong they are beautiful tanks but I wouldn’t call them OP

teal olive May 24, 2019, 3:44 AM

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Stop trying to get tech tree tanks nerfed. It is NOT op.

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And @visual nimbus @unique scaffold are you stupid?? It’s HE rounds usually just hit for 220-50

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Wait actually

visual nimbus May 24, 2019, 3:47 AM

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I usually hit 300+ with HE 🤔

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 3:48 AM

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You win again this time. But one day the RU 251 shall be nerfed! Mark my words!!

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visual nimbus May 24, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Lol

harsh ravine May 24, 2019, 4:53 AM

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hope u guys realize he’s always being sarcastic

jade cargoBOT May 24, 2019, 4:56 AM

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dynoSuccess quin the pretzel#2169 was banned

iron harbor May 24, 2019, 6:45 AM

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They planning to buff panther 2 anytime in the near future or nah?

smoky yoke May 24, 2019, 6:56 AM

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Ru too much of an HE magnet to be nerfed

kind swallow May 24, 2019, 7:20 AM

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Idk about panther, it is a good tank

gilded pivot May 24, 2019, 7:39 AM

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Stock it's a bit meh

lost island May 24, 2019, 7:47 AM

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fix Hellcat needs higher top speed like irl

kind swallow May 24, 2019, 8:03 AM

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I didnt play stock panther 2, but top have nice turret and good gun depression

iron lynx May 24, 2019, 8:17 AM

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Fix Hellcat cannot reverse irl

lost island May 24, 2019, 8:21 AM

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you sure..?

iron lynx May 24, 2019, 8:25 AM

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Hmm
Nope

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 9:50 AM

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Then t 7 would need buff as well

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T8 medium tank problem is that it have to met t 9 medium tanks

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And I'm pretty sure that someone have said that before right here

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 10:12 AM

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Just op tank needs nerf, like smasher, wz..buff no need for other, its ok. And in mm need to fix that only 2 TD can be in one team.

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Team can have max 3 tanks of same type , then it can't have only 2tds ,and I agree about nerf

raw oar May 24, 2019, 10:57 AM

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That would also require to balance the price of the premium tanks recently introduced.

iron hearth May 24, 2019, 12:30 PM

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wz 112-2 definetely needs a nerf the armor its so good

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 12:42 PM

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No cuz only thing that cost them while adding the tank is tank designe , and even then , they got all of it from wot pc

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Should I get supercharge on my T34 (1776)?

quick lichen May 24, 2019, 1:03 PM

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No need

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Gld all day long on mine

cerulean tulip May 24, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Gld is better

dusky oxide May 24, 2019, 1:10 PM

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@unique scaffold Tank classes other than TDs and HTs arent as popular in higher tiers and having 5-6 TDs affects matches in a way worse way than having that amount of any other class in their place. The most usual way high alpha TDs are used is for passive gameplay and it requires half a team to counter them effectively. Notice how theyre always the last ones alive but not because theyre driven by skilled players? To make it worse there's just not enough med players, let alone competent ones.

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Im fine with TDs supporting allies from a safe range but when theres 3 bunched up in a corner they arent as vulnerable as they should be, especially when its never guaranteed that theres tanks on the enemy team that are designed to flank and even spot them. The maps and team sizes are too small for 3 per team.

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 1:16 PM

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That's exactly the reason why we got mm than don't let more than 3 tanks of same type in battle , and with all other things I do agree with you
@dusky oxide

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Ye that's true , I hate to see jgpz e100 players that aren't using their tanks as front line fighters

drowsy plaza May 24, 2019, 1:18 PM

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@unique scaffold only when server pop is high enough. In NA that is basically never l. I had a game yesterday with 8 TD’s in 9/10. Not very Blitz at all. The red E3 and E4 camped spawn so it was a pretty easy win

dusky oxide May 24, 2019, 1:19 PM

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@unique scaffold you do realize that 3+3=6 right? The limit is per team.

drowsy plaza May 24, 2019, 1:25 PM

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TD limit needs to be 2/team max.

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 1:57 PM

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I did a glitch with my chaffee and now I can’t use my chaffee it says it’s still in battle...

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@unique scaffold. Reboot and be patient. If it doesn't come out of battle in 10 minutes or so submit a ticket through support.

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@drowsy plaza oh my i didn't know it is so bad on NA . @dusky oxide ye my fault I mean per team , thx for pointing it out

tranquil wadi May 24, 2019, 3:09 PM

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@unique scaffold ur bAD

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German bulldog is better than ru

mortal flower May 24, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Take look at this

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This what Blitz is coming to

left bloom May 24, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Buff WZ-121

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It kept getting outclassed and murdered by other medium at the same tier, the alpha is nice but the DPM its just too low, you can either increase the alpha or increase the ROF

safe canopy May 24, 2019, 3:52 PM

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nothing wrong with 121 its just requires more skill tbh

craggy prawn May 24, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Hey

minor sky May 24, 2019, 4:01 PM

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imo all tier x are pretty balanced atm

distant river May 24, 2019, 4:01 PM

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IS4...

craggy dust May 24, 2019, 4:14 PM

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Grille...

indigo knot May 24, 2019, 4:22 PM

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Most of German tier 10s are underwhelming

drowsy plaza May 24, 2019, 4:22 PM

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E50M says no

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Tier 9 and 10 have the best balanced tanks in game. Yes there are some underperforming ones and a few over performing but by and large it is exceptionally balanced

indigo knot May 24, 2019, 4:25 PM

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Thats where most comes into play.....
So says the Maus

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Tier 8 is the most unbalanced tier in the game

drowsy plaza May 24, 2019, 4:26 PM

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Oh the MAUS, the tank with the globally highest WR tier X of all time

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Tier 7/8 have had issues for ever.

indigo knot May 24, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Most players can't pen E3 and Maus in pub battles..... rather they fight frontly instead of flanking so they have high WR

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Tier X must be balanced bcs tournaments. But i dont know about t22 medium..its too good.

indigo knot May 24, 2019, 4:44 PM

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After there no is increased they might nerf T22...but Is4 is not balanced

flat zephyr May 24, 2019, 4:49 PM

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I would say tier7 is the most unbalanced tier

craggy dust May 24, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Lol IS7 is garbage

dusky oxide May 24, 2019, 4:57 PM

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No its not. People just don't just appreciate it as much with the IS-4 being so op.

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Ok maybe its damage is on the low side but yu cant call it garbage and it sure isnt getting a buff

quick lichen May 24, 2019, 4:58 PM

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@craggy dust what equipment are you using?

flat zephyr May 24, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Nope is7 is a bit underperforming but not garbage

quick lichen May 24, 2019, 4:58 PM

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I switched to ru equipment and I all of a sudden love it now

craggy dust May 24, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Its literally garbage though

dusky oxide May 24, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Nice reasoning behind your argument

craggy dust May 24, 2019, 5:01 PM

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I mean I thought it would be better

dusky oxide May 24, 2019, 5:02 PM

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So you just got it and came here to complain abou it? @craggy dust

quick lichen May 24, 2019, 5:02 PM

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@craggy dust right but like, what’s your equipment loadout?

flat zephyr May 24, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Is7 needs the turret traverse speed and hull Traverse speed buffed now that it has less armor

craggy dust May 24, 2019, 5:03 PM

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@dusky oxide no lmao its powercreeped like hell

indigo knot May 24, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Nerf Is4 ....Is7 will be back

flat zephyr May 24, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Is7 won't be back even by removing is4

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There is 113. It's a bit less armored but much more effective tank.
Buffing is7 a bit, on traverse or turret frontal armor make it good

indigo knot May 24, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Is7 is well balanced tank....it doesn't need any buff....

flat zephyr May 24, 2019, 5:06 PM

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It definitely does need a small buff. L

quick lichen May 24, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Not if you nerf the is4

flat zephyr May 24, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Look at is7's turret. Ez pen at cheeks in my Leo

quick lichen May 24, 2019, 5:09 PM

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With heat and calibrated maybe

dusky oxide May 24, 2019, 5:09 PM

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@craggy dust that doesnt make it garbage. Theres loads of powercrept tanks in the game and theyre still playable. Loads of overperforming heavies though.

flat zephyr May 24, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Yes with heat and calibrated shells but still, it's annoying

craggy dust May 24, 2019, 5:09 PM

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@dusky oxide why are you still pinging me

dusky oxide May 24, 2019, 5:10 PM

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@craggy dust to reply to a reply youve made to mine. Want to do it again?

craggy dust May 24, 2019, 5:11 PM

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@dusky oxide no IS7 is not the same

dusky oxide May 24, 2019, 5:12 PM

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How is it different from other old tanks that have been powercrept?

flat zephyr May 24, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Sorry but what does power creep mean😐

tranquil wadi May 24, 2019, 5:14 PM

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@craggy dust u dumb dumb is7 is an incredibly strong tank

flat zephyr May 24, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Well it's not "incredibly strong" tank

tranquil wadi May 24, 2019, 5:15 PM

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almost impenetrable turret, amazing hull, great speed and a solid gun. U have to put it in the correct positions to make it "strong"

jade cargoBOT May 24, 2019, 5:16 PM

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dynoSuccess boss#3507 was muted

flat zephyr May 24, 2019, 5:16 PM

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The thing is, it does not have impenetrable turret

quick lichen May 24, 2019, 5:16 PM

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@craggy dust change your pfp while you’re at it

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Or you’ll be banned instead of muted

tranquil wadi May 24, 2019, 5:17 PM

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its not impenetrable, but one of the strongest turrets

flat zephyr May 24, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Like I said before, anything with 320+ pen will go through cheeks easily

tranquil wadi May 24, 2019, 5:18 PM

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....if at point blank not wiggling or anything

flat zephyr May 24, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Comparing to is4 which penning its turret frontally needs total luck
Or e5 or any heavily armored turrets

tranquil wadi May 24, 2019, 5:19 PM

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that's true, but its still a crazy strong turret. Like on mines, go up take a shot and pull back down...no one is gonna have the time to aim for that

flat zephyr May 24, 2019, 5:20 PM

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You won't be able to wiggle against Tds and heavies since heavies are up close and if they are not blind ,they can shoot ez and tds have much more pen so they can pen the whole turret unless it hits gun mantlet

lost island May 24, 2019, 5:38 PM

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E 100 needs frontal turret buff

deft owl May 24, 2019, 5:50 PM

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@lost island No.

lost island May 24, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Well, i guess i could just mount the armor increaser thing

teal olive May 24, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Tbh the E100 seems a bit underperforming compared to the other tier ten heavies. However there are a LOT of very good heavies so maybe it’s just that.

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 6:10 PM

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@tranquil wadi but blackdog is basically German-American so it shares many traits of the Bulldog and RU, however the RU only has traits of an RU 251. This is unbalanced because the black dog regulates what it can and can’t do with the traits of 2 tanks, the RU can do anything as it is not a hybrid tank and has no other tank to regulate itself to.

rancid drift May 24, 2019, 6:10 PM

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I’m starting to get angry that in my t28 tank destroyer despite having an average of 1500 damage per game 1.5 average kills and 80% hit ratio and still have a 28% win rate

lost island May 24, 2019, 6:12 PM

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It is called the T28

rancid drift May 24, 2019, 6:16 PM

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I wanted to distinguish which t28 I was talking about

visual nimbus May 24, 2019, 6:24 PM

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How many games?

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 6:30 PM

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@teal olive tbh I think e100 is perfectly balanced , I think the problem is with Foch 155 and fv4202

teal olive May 24, 2019, 6:32 PM

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The E100 is balanced, but it’s no good in comparison to tanks like the IS4, Maus, and E5. And the Foch is good, it’s a medium killer, and the fv could def use a rework

kindred smelt May 24, 2019, 6:33 PM

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fv4202?...

orchid grove May 24, 2019, 6:35 PM

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E-100 is definitely better than E5

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 6:36 PM

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@kindred smelt ye , that British medium tank, I have few games on other acc on it ,and I met it often in battles , and it does not act like tank that is performing well

kindred smelt May 24, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Probably because the turret is kinda trash as long as you hit it in the right spot it pens every time

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 6:37 PM

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@teal olive Foch would be better without some of weak spots

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Ye , i have no idea why have anyone thought it should be top tech tree tank after centurions

kindred smelt May 24, 2019, 6:38 PM

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I love the cent 7/1 and i use it a lot and have plenty of XP to get the fv but I just don’t want it.

tame beacon May 24, 2019, 6:39 PM

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maybe buff tiger 2 turret armor up to 200 or 220 mm and the rooftop up to 50

kindred smelt May 24, 2019, 6:39 PM

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It’s not that good in my opinion

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 6:40 PM

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@tame beacon it would help , but there is no hope for toger 2 buff

tame beacon May 24, 2019, 6:40 PM

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yup, true but sad

unique scaffold May 24, 2019, 6:41 PM

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@kindred smelt myb it's not bad , as many ppl are enjoying it , but it's not competitive against other t10 meds

kindred smelt May 24, 2019, 6:41 PM

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I have used it before and I prefer the M48 and the Leopard 1

drowsy plaza May 24, 2019, 6:42 PM

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@rancid drift a TD needs to be doing at least 200g/tier to be not awful. Frankly in tier 8, 1,800 dmg is treading water.

fringe summit May 24, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Some tanks are like forgotten. Why don’t they buff VK 30.02 D for example.

grave bear May 24, 2019, 7:30 PM

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i like tiger II

rancid drift May 24, 2019, 8:02 PM

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In that particular vehicle I’m not expecting to do toooo well. It’s damage is okay and reload is nice, but it’s horribly slow so by the time I get to the battle in the first place everyone’s in cover and at high tiers everyone can pen my front all the time. And that average is definitely brought down by the 1 in 10 games where I’m spotted about 20 seconds from spawn and get one shotted by a rhm or t49

drowsy plaza May 24, 2019, 9:09 PM

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Or Pref MM -1/0 😉

lost island May 24, 2019, 9:49 PM

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The improved assembly and enhaced armor equipment needs to have the percantages increased.

dusky oxide May 24, 2019, 11:18 PM

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No it doesnt. Heavily armored tanks already get the most out of the equipment system.

acoustic shard May 25, 2019, 12:13 AM

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I think the Glacial 112 needs a rate of Fire buff or an armor and module's buff. Nearly every time someone shoots you some crew member will die or you will get ammo rack damage, even frequent engine fire's. It's also difficult to side scrape Because your side's are week and it's lower plate is so big and east to hit. And people can easily just shoot your tracks for full damage if you wiggle from side to side. I think It needs some kind of buff so it can be more competitive.

grave bear May 25, 2019, 12:18 AM

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it has super strong turret, same for upper plate, and is faster than tiger II
if glacial needs buff, so does many other tier 8 heavies.
tiger II can only sidescrape and is slower than glacial, glacial can do everything else and also sidescrsoe if u're not that bad, why would even need a buff?

indigo knot May 25, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Most of the tier 8 tech tree needs buff

deft owl May 25, 2019, 12:42 AM

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Glacial 112 can only use lower plate buff. 80mm is pathetic.

grave bear May 25, 2019, 12:55 AM

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and no, it's okay. tiger II it's slower and can be penned with ap everywhere even upper plate, and the turret vs 280+ heat is full paper, anyway it's still an okay tank

fiery flame May 25, 2019, 12:56 AM

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Glacial needs no buffs

grave bear May 25, 2019, 1:23 AM

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chieftain with 152 mm side armor in 6.0? are u crazy?

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nimble zodiac May 25, 2019, 1:33 AM

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Just hit the drive wheel, ez (or the upper part of the side)

grave bear May 25, 2019, 1:55 AM

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well not "ez" , now it's much better, even the cupola is way thicker
while the turret is totally unpenetrable, even from mid side

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it's like if you buff t44-100 side skirts from 10 to 100

indigo knot May 25, 2019, 2:31 AM

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Only if WG use that much time balancing the tech tree tanks instead of just buffing premiums

thick rover May 25, 2019, 2:37 AM

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How would you know that their time is spent on just premiums?

placid carbon May 25, 2019, 2:38 AM

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So they can make money XD

drowsy plaza May 25, 2019, 3:40 AM

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It’s underperform. Keep in mind Balance work is based on 55-65% players playing tanks that are over 1% of games. Some of the 💩 tanks don’t get played much and don’t thus get a lot of love from update to update.

thick rover May 25, 2019, 3:42 AM

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@teal olive Sorry just curious about the reason for rework and possibly what it could be xdxd

lost island May 25, 2019, 4:11 AM

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AT 2 OP

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just, people always run away

crystal spoke May 25, 2019, 4:18 AM

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It's not really op its easily coded or taken out

subtle egret May 25, 2019, 5:24 AM

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i think lttb max speed should be 72km/h instead of 68

lost island May 25, 2019, 6:27 AM

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CDCs max speed should be 70ish

iron lynx May 25, 2019, 7:21 AM

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LTTB max speed should be 120km/h

rigid wigeon May 25, 2019, 7:24 AM

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Give the 183 a Maus’s armor, a grille’s accuracy, a helsing’s auto loader, an elc’s power to weight, a jag’s heat pen on its hesh and make it go 120km/h

iron lynx May 25, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Then make it an event tank in a special game mode for everyone

rigid wigeon May 25, 2019, 7:27 AM

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Give it out as a reward for LoYaLtY

dim field May 25, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Instead of hellsing autoloader give it the Gravediggers

noble siren May 25, 2019, 8:16 AM

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Why they nurfed Maus' lower plate?

fringe summit May 25, 2019, 8:32 AM

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The did not, people spam more gold ammo these days

uncut raptor May 25, 2019, 9:31 AM

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New Defenders unbalanced af

unique scaffold May 25, 2019, 9:34 AM

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@uncut raptor. All we've seen is a photo. How in the world can you know they are unbalanced?

uncut raptor May 25, 2019, 9:38 AM

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Because they are defenders, you will see they will be as unbalanced as is3 defender

iron lynx May 25, 2019, 9:45 AM

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The IS-3 Defender is actually one of the more balanced premiums

distant river May 25, 2019, 9:46 AM

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It isnt too unbalanced but it is blatantly a better IS3

urban sleet May 25, 2019, 10:38 AM

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i just wish wz-121 gets more buff at least to be decent

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i dont even see it in randoms,almost no one plays it,that says a lot about it

flat zephyr May 25, 2019, 10:40 AM

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121 is well balanced now. It's not popular but it's balanced

drowsy plaza May 25, 2019, 10:46 AM

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121B > 121

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The problem with the 121 is the hard turret low DPM Med doesn’t always work in Blitz

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It needs a team

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The low DPM means most (all) other Meds can yolo it and burn it down if it’s isolated

flat zephyr May 25, 2019, 10:54 AM

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30b has low dpm also but it's almost balanced

fickle ember May 25, 2019, 11:03 AM

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i feel like if they can they will make it a tech tree tank like the WOTPC due to it being a "Collector Tank"

unique scaffold May 25, 2019, 11:15 AM

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Wargaming:. Hey guys look at this picture of 3 new tanks.

A portion of the playerbase: Arghhh! They are OP pay to win tanks!

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Me: Seriously? All you've seen is a photo.

dusky oxide May 25, 2019, 11:21 AM

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I wont grind for such ugly tanks if theyre not even slightly op :D

urban sleet May 25, 2019, 11:29 AM

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@flat zephyr its kinda not balanced,it cant beat any med 1v1,dpm is key of all meds,so thats a minus,its too long so it cant circle effectively around enemy heavy or td,turret is placed almost in middle of chasis so it cant give snapshots without overexposing side,depression is so bad that i wont even say anything about it how bad it is,so i would like to hear some good points about it if u have?
just dont say alpha coz its useless with that dpm its a med not a heavy

clever void May 25, 2019, 12:16 PM

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It might be how they bring in auto reloaders

unique scaffold May 25, 2019, 1:49 PM

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@unique scaffold the reason why many community members thinks so is the hellsing , Dracula ,or gravedigger , and these tanks are just pay2win

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They really aren't and did you really need to ping me for that?

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@unique scaffold oh damn you got promoted lol *sry for ping

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Well they are , I was getting chance of getting you to read what I have responded to your msg lol

flat zephyr May 25, 2019, 2:31 PM

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@urban sleet good points of 30b are first of all the speed and gun depression, also it can easily circle tanks due to the speed and acceleration.
The second thing is it's turret. Quite strong. It will get penned sometimes and sometimes the cupola but overall it is almost reliable.
I don't see any other good points to mention. The gun is a bit disappointing, bad aim and normal pen, there is almost no hull armor and the concealment is normal

urban sleet May 25, 2019, 2:31 PM

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im not talking about 30 b xD

flat zephyr May 25, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Ooh you mean 121?

urban sleet May 25, 2019, 2:32 PM

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yup

flat zephyr May 25, 2019, 2:36 PM

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121 is imo the best armored medium, both hull and turret are reliable. Low pen, normal mobility, but an accurate gun. You must stop just for a moment to aim but that would make your gun to almost get the full aim. Alpha is sometimes important but it's not a good point nor bad.
I did get 121 at very beginning of the introduction, it was quite underperforming then but now it's ok.

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Also it can beat 30b and bc in 1v1😂

hollow meteor May 25, 2019, 2:48 PM

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I think Fv 215b 183 ‘s earning should be buffed a bit. I make a 4-5k dmg battle and -20k

cunning vapor May 25, 2019, 2:51 PM

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You arent supposed to make coins with it

hollow meteor May 25, 2019, 2:52 PM

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I know But I losing So much credit s

cerulean tulip May 25, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Yes buff 183 credit coefficient to 180%

unique scaffold May 25, 2019, 2:53 PM

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183%

hollow meteor May 25, 2019, 2:53 PM

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I dont want to farm with it But I dont want to Lose 100k in 5 battles

unique scaffold May 25, 2019, 2:53 PM

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It should have a 0% credit coefficient.

cunning vapor May 25, 2019, 2:54 PM

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😑

molten trench May 25, 2019, 3:00 PM

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😂 makes no credits

urban sleet May 25, 2019, 5:14 PM

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wz cant beat any med 1v1 and is just bad

modest lotus May 25, 2019, 5:26 PM

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E25 should get a discount on camos due to it size

nimble zodiac May 25, 2019, 6:16 PM

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But the larger effect it has on an already sneaky tank should be priced well 😏

unique scaffold May 25, 2019, 6:39 PM

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then UE 57 camo should cost ∞ gold because it's the sneakiest tank in game

gaunt heart May 25, 2019, 8:20 PM

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183 should have a -100% credit coefficient

unique scaffold May 25, 2019, 8:32 PM

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T22 M needs a buff

iron hearth May 25, 2019, 8:57 PM

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nice joke buddy 😂

lavish trench May 25, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Hi

cloud dome May 25, 2019, 10:47 PM

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@flat zephyr wait the 121 has more armour than the e 50 m?

wet nymph May 25, 2019, 10:59 PM

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i played the game like a couple years ago with a different account but now i noticed a bunch of tanks are missing like the m3 lee, d.w.2, t-28, and some others

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why they gone

uncut hinge May 25, 2019, 11:02 PM

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They aren`t gone, they are just collector vehicles now

wet nymph May 25, 2019, 11:03 PM

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but how come you cant get them anymore

uncut hinge May 25, 2019, 11:04 PM

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You can get them, but they are rarer because of their collector status

wet nymph May 25, 2019, 11:04 PM

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how do you get them?

uncut hinge May 25, 2019, 11:05 PM

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A few from events, most of them are purchaseable for 3-10 pound in the shop as well. Others I think are just given to every player every so often during "big" events

wet nymph May 25, 2019, 11:06 PM

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any idea why they are a collectible now?

uncut hinge May 25, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Just general revampment of tech trees and tanks, some of course didn`t fit in and were then moved to collector status to still be available to play

grave bear May 25, 2019, 11:07 PM

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@wet nymph because they were too op and there were players with 5k battles in them

wet nymph May 25, 2019, 11:08 PM

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so balance issues and tech tree stuff

crystal spoke May 25, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Yup

wet nymph May 25, 2019, 11:09 PM

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but the m3 lee come on? i remember it being a pain to play trying to get the t1 heavy or m4

crystal spoke May 25, 2019, 11:19 PM

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Its a really good tank but doesnt fir with the line as much as the m7 even thought the m3 saw combat

nimble zodiac May 25, 2019, 11:51 PM

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They simply wanted to narrow the low tier lines so new players don’t have to play so many tanks to be confused in. You can file a ticket if you really want a collector tank but you can only get one back per year

humble oasis May 25, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Gotta love that camo

📎 Screenshot_20190525-195416.png

charred bobcat May 26, 2019, 12:11 AM

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Not like everyone hasn't seen that same screenshot 1000 times or anything

deft owl May 26, 2019, 1:31 AM

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@flat zephyr 121 best armored medium? Have you ever seen an E50m or t22 medium?

urban sleet May 26, 2019, 4:20 AM

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tbh i never expirienced that 121 bounces my shot hahah mybe sometimes with turret,wich is not hard to pen also

cloud dome May 26, 2019, 4:27 AM

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I seen E50m and t22 bounce a lot more.

flat zephyr May 26, 2019, 5:00 AM

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T22 is not researchable and it got troll armor, e50m though, it's turret it weak

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121 going full gun depression, mediums can't scratch it, side armor is as good as e50m but also tracks covering most of it

autumn zodiac May 26, 2019, 5:12 AM

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121 also doesn't fire fast and can't really fire on the move

noble siren May 26, 2019, 6:38 AM

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t110e3 needs weak spot on the top because its unbalanced. CHANGE MY MIND

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 7:06 AM

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Just check what they did to t95 , weaker armor on cupola would break E3 in same way

noble siren May 26, 2019, 7:10 AM

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WHat are you talking about. You cant en e3 even with gold ammo on the cupola

charred bobcat May 26, 2019, 7:10 AM

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Yes you can; there are 2 weakpoints on the top of E3

humble spear May 26, 2019, 7:11 AM

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That'd make the T110E3 a weaker T110E4 because it can be penetrated frontally via the big commander's cupola, which is the case on the T110E4

charred bobcat May 26, 2019, 7:12 AM

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In fact, tanks with high pen HE can pen with full damage when they hit the right spot on top.

noble siren May 26, 2019, 7:12 AM

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thats the point i cant pen him anywhere else down hull armor

charred bobcat May 26, 2019, 7:13 AM

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Aim better then. E3 is balanced.

humble spear May 26, 2019, 7:13 AM

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Well, that's the point. The T110E3 would be garbage if people could pen it from the front like a piece of cake

noble siren May 26, 2019, 7:13 AM

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cant pen with leo's HEAT from 10meters BALANCE

charred bobcat May 26, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Why would you be up front in a leo again?

humble spear May 26, 2019, 7:14 AM

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why are you shooting at a T110E3 from the front in a leopard 1?

noble siren May 26, 2019, 7:14 AM

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i cant go behind the map lol

humble spear May 26, 2019, 7:15 AM

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side armour exists~

charred bobcat May 26, 2019, 7:15 AM

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Actually side armor doesn't exist on an E3

noble siren May 26, 2019, 7:15 AM

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his teammates exist too

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 7:15 AM

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You can pen it on lowest point of cupola, it's about 220 mm if Im not wrong , top part of cupola is 330 or smth

noble siren May 26, 2019, 7:16 AM

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with fv183 maybe

charred bobcat May 26, 2019, 7:16 AM

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Lol now you're saying the most inaccurate gun will penetrate that spot?

noble siren May 26, 2019, 7:17 AM

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Grille: Hold mein Beer

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 7:17 AM

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@charred bobcat good point , why should you bother with flanking in medium tank,when you can just sit in front of heavy tank and spam heat

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183 Is using hesh, which is just higher pen HE , then splash dmg even near weaker part of cupola should do lost of dmg

noble siren May 26, 2019, 7:18 AM

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@unique scaffold i cant flank something where his whole team is

charred bobcat May 26, 2019, 7:18 AM

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Then pick better positions

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 7:19 AM

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Then you are playing medium tanks in wrong way @noble siren ,there is always chance to flank enemy

noble siren May 26, 2019, 7:19 AM

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sure

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 7:20 AM

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Well I do play BC 25 t , and I don't think it's hard to flank on everysingle map lol ,cuz if you are medium tank, then you aren't supposed to sit with heavy tanks

noble siren May 26, 2019, 7:26 AM

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then what is the weakness of t110e3?

humble spear May 26, 2019, 7:28 AM

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the non-existent rear armour
the horrendous mobility
weak side armour
cupola which is susceptible to HE spam
a really small forehead on the top of the superstructure which is weakly armoured

noble siren May 26, 2019, 7:32 AM

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lol its not the only non-existent armor, the mobility is fine, cupola is OP for the other things yes

charred bobcat May 26, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Are we gonna go in circles explaining the same things over and over?

humble spear May 26, 2019, 7:34 AM

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the mobility is fine, eh?
what

noble siren May 26, 2019, 7:35 AM

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its just ridiculous how the nerfs for German tanks come without asking for example Mauschen and Vk100P

humble spear May 26, 2019, 7:35 AM

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Note the hp/t ratio, of all 34 tier X tanks it sits at 33rd place. For traverse speeds somewhere around 27

thick rover May 26, 2019, 8:54 AM

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Mediums should be flanking a TD/HT blablabla, these are all ideal situations which are on the book, nothing practical. I won't believe someone telling me he is always capable of flanking a tank and has never found hismelf in an awkward position facing tanks like the E3 infront/after spotting it round a corner and ending up Int front of the gun, but there are moments people want to use prammo to ensure a finishing kill and the lack of a realistic weakspot even for prammo is kinda unfair, IMO

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Besides his point was that even with penetration of leo HEAT round and gun handlig it's hard to penetrate

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Not asking for a nerf but perhaps they could make it seem less of a weakspot in armour highlighting what's the point of the grey area when it can't be penetrated anyways

humble spear May 26, 2019, 8:57 AM

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It's never all the time you get to flank a TD/HT, and that's obvious. So put yourself in a position where you can. If you can't, don't engage in the first place. Either relocate or shoot something else.

somber forum May 26, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Pz IV S pretty op if you ask me

indigo knot May 26, 2019, 9:37 AM

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E3 can be OP in pub battle but so can be the Maus where many players are unable to shoot weak points and try engaging them frontally and then call them OP

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The only unbalanced tier 10 is IS4 ....needs a bit of armour nerf .....it gets bounce which it should never get....does role Maus and Is7 at the same time with high pen heat rounds

grave bear May 26, 2019, 9:53 AM

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and better speed/dpm

thick rover May 26, 2019, 9:55 AM

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Well this may come as a surprise, but there ARE scenarios where you have to engage such as when when timing is key and your team Is dependent on you, or it could be the E3 going on a reload when your team is dying and you have no choice but to engage..

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What do you mean by bounces it should never get? Maus still has better armour and is-7 is faster it's just something in the middle if you want to look at it that way

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 10:04 AM

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IS4 is most definitely OP. When a tank can bounce almost everything not shooting premium while its angled out in the open, that's OP. Not to mention it also gets high pen heat rounds as 2pac said

lunar niche May 26, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Against good players using 370+ HEAT heavies, you can only sidescrape in Maus. The whole front becomes grey and you'll be lucky to bounce from the side turret while angling.

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 10:08 AM

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@charred comet @abstract marsh How to build dava engine
Pls

indigo knot May 26, 2019, 10:10 AM

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Is4 has mobility to take its armour where its required you may say it has less armour than maus and mobility than is7 but it can sidescrape and go hull down effectively with it mobility unlike Maus and armour is considerably better than Is7 and so is the gun better than both...the only advantage maus has is its HP pool other wise Is4 is better in almost every way.....sidehugging Is4 is difficult as it is low slung while maus gets sidehugged easy as the sides are flat

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 10:11 AM

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^

indigo knot May 26, 2019, 10:12 AM

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The traverse in Is4 is better than Is7

grave bear May 26, 2019, 10:45 AM

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yes

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 11:03 AM

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@noble siren oh myb cuz vk p was op? It was in every single tournament ,ranked battle , and random battle , with badly made weakspots and high alpha gun

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I would even say it was much better tier for its tier than Maus , cuz why should you bother to grind when you got same alpha gun , and more reliable weakspots

noble siren May 26, 2019, 11:07 AM

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It can easily get flanked, yeah nerfing the gun was good but why nerfing the cupola then. Now it's worse than every tank: low speed, huge weakspot (cupola), long reload time, inaccurate gun .

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 11:10 AM

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You got 460 alpha gun on t 8 then you will get bad stats on it , tank is balanced , you was just playing the op version of it , and comparison both version gives you fault idea of underperforming

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@noble siren lay off the insults please.

noble siren May 26, 2019, 11:18 AM

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Ok simply said. You can't win 1v1 against vk and you don't it to be what is supposed to be...

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 11:19 AM

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I have no idea what you mean

noble siren May 26, 2019, 11:20 AM

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Vk's armor was fine but people who don't know how to spam gold ammo complained and WG destroyed a wonderful tank

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 11:21 AM

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I think I understand what you mean , but tbh you are telling me that vk p was broken cuz same tier heavy tanks didn't stand a chance , which shows that don't care about balanc z but only about having fun in op tanks

cobalt crane May 26, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Dym u can't win against vk 1v1 I can

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 11:23 AM

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In my opinion the nerf was a bit heavy handed. Personally I'd have just nerfed the traverse and turret rotation. That being said the armor profile is still workable. Especially if you hide the lower plate and angle.

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Tbh I think the idea of giving cupola to tanks in Maus line isnt too good , it would be better to give them Maus like weakspots

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@cobalt crane I don't talk about stats , I'm telling that vk p was better than Same tier heavy tanks

noble siren May 26, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Obj252U is OP too but hey. It's Russian

cobalt crane May 26, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Meh

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 11:28 AM

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I don't met 252 too often so I can't tell to much about it , but it got huge weak lower plate

fringe apex May 26, 2019, 11:47 AM

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Guys who want nerf the e3 never played it
If you gave week spot to the e3, the tank will become useless because of its lake of mobility and its lake of side/rear amor !

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 11:50 AM

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It has good mobility now

flat zephyr May 26, 2019, 11:53 AM

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Its not good. It's just not bad

dapper thorn May 26, 2019, 12:12 PM

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@fringe apex wts e3

meager spruce May 26, 2019, 12:13 PM

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T110E3 for short - e3

dapper thorn May 26, 2019, 12:13 PM

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Oh thx

fringe summit May 26, 2019, 12:25 PM

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Why would you play e3 if you can play jge100

fringe apex May 26, 2019, 12:26 PM

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@fringe summit for fun dépression

fringe summit May 26, 2019, 12:27 PM

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Jg cam hull down to

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Jg is meh , gun is completely unreliable, got huge "weak" cheeks , and bad tank traverse

cloud dome May 26, 2019, 3:33 PM

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252u is decent tank I would say it is balanced for the most part. And jg is not that bad just go with heavys you can side scrape and hull down is semi troll because of big manlet.

teal olive May 26, 2019, 3:52 PM

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@fringe summit jag is much worse than E3. Stupidly unreliable and bad armor for its mobility

fringe summit May 26, 2019, 3:54 PM

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I have jg and e3. I prefer jg because stronger gun and armor

visual nimbus May 26, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Think the E3 has more reliable armor. Frontally at least.

cloud dome May 26, 2019, 4:27 PM

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I mean both tanks are balanced and both have own roles I would never take e3 into a town map I would rather bring jg. But if you can hide lower plate e3 is normally better because it’s tiny weak points

teal olive May 26, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Lmao I’d take an E3 in town before the jag. The jag may have the bigger gun but it’s unreliable, its lower plate is huge and its armor is much weaker than the E3s.

unique scaffold May 26, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Jg gun loves to hit for 0 dmg without any reason

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It's just stupid how many times I had 0 dmg shoots into tracks

noble siren May 26, 2019, 5:30 PM

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yup jg is so inaccurate

lunar niche May 26, 2019, 5:36 PM

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I'd say .317 dispersion is pretty accurate for a 170mm gun. Dispersion on hull movement and aimtime is terrible though.

cloud dome May 26, 2019, 8:00 PM

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I have the other problem I can side scrape in town better with jg than I can hide lower plate with e3. And my jg normally pens even if I don’t use heat if you use heat you have 380mm of pen. And with cal you get 418mm so you can pen most of e3 with calibrated jg heat shells. And I just like how jg can bounce most when hiding behind a building if you shoot side of jg it’s a auto bounce if you angle.

charred bobcat May 26, 2019, 8:01 PM

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In most cases going town isn't ideal anyways 🤷

fringe summit May 26, 2019, 8:14 PM

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~The more alpha, the more fun

median gust May 26, 2019, 8:20 PM

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adds 100 dmg per shot with 2 sec reload

tranquil nova May 26, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Jg with it’s gun rotation of 24 degrees allows it to shoot while side scraping around the corners in city-simulated maps

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Doing so makes it safe to say the armor is just as trollish/effective as the e3’s armor

grave bear May 26, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Meh jgpze100 has way less armor than te3

inland cargo May 26, 2019, 10:52 PM

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Hi

frozen compass May 26, 2019, 11:29 PM

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IS-7 isn’t what it used to be

charred bobcat May 26, 2019, 11:30 PM

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IS-7 doesn't need to be what it used to be but it does need a buff.

charred bobcat May 26, 2019, 11:57 PM

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A tank's need for a buff isn't dependent on whether or not a FV 183 can HESH pen it or not.

drowsy plaza May 26, 2019, 11:59 PM

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IS-7 doesn’t need a buff.

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I’d see every tier X med buffed before the IS-7. Turret is still super solid - and it’s got great mobility for the armor levels it has.

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One thing I could get behind is swapping that IS-4 and IS-7 gun depression

charred bobcat May 27, 2019, 12:09 AM

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IS-4 outshines the IS-7 in almost every aspect except mobility. WZ-113 has just as good mobility as IS-7 and has 3k dpm.
Most tier 10 mediums are in a fine position right now. I would even argue that tanks like E 50M and Obj. 140 are exceedingly good.
IS-4 and IS-7 both have 6 degrees.

grave bear May 27, 2019, 1:18 AM

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well, if is4 in hulldown is super strong so is the is7.

orchid grove May 27, 2019, 1:18 AM

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IS-7 can be penned in the turret cheeks though. IMO, IS-7 should get the turret cheeks buffed up like they are on PC so that people can't just load gold and lolpen them

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The most recent balance chart (albeit still slightly old) shows IS-7 as having the worst average damage at tier X, but the winrate isn't really high enough to compensate

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I think that a turret cheek buff would be enough to make IS-7 better balanced. But also I think that IS-4 needs to be tuned down a tad; probably by reintroducing the 30mm roof weakspot, or by slowing the tank down in exchange for the amount of hull armor that it has

deft owl May 27, 2019, 1:40 AM

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@orchid grove Is7 should have the worst overall damage since its suppose to have worst gun in tier x heavies. No buff needed.

orchid grove May 27, 2019, 1:48 AM

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@deft owl Maus is suppposed to have the worst tier X gun, but even if IS-7 has bad average damage, it should at least compensate for that with higher winrate. Tanks with low winrate and low damage are bad tanks that need buffs

deft owl May 27, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Actually maus has better dispersion. When it comes to penetration Maus beats is7 every single day with its apcr rounds.

nimble zodiac May 27, 2019, 2:20 AM

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IS-7 doesn’t have as good of an ability to use the armor tho since Maus can angle

teal olive May 27, 2019, 2:35 AM

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I think I agree with @orchid grove however: only the most frontal parts of the turret should be buffed. I hate it when TD AP and medium HEAT bounces of the side of its turret. So trollish

gaunt heart May 27, 2019, 2:47 AM

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balance the servers wg

orchid grove May 27, 2019, 2:47 AM

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@deft owl 311 APCR is still horrific, and the AP is literally worse than mediums. On top of that, the gun handling is worse than IS-7, which compensates for the slightly better dispersion. Moreover, the DPM is still worse

deft owl May 27, 2019, 2:52 AM

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@vestal dove Im not trying to persuade them because i dont need to. Devs already know is-7 doesnt need any buff.

teal olive May 27, 2019, 2:53 AM

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A tiny buff is all I’d want it to get. And @vestal dove we’re not discussing this just for you, alright? So include actual discussion and not begging please

deft owl May 27, 2019, 2:54 AM

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@teal olive Sorry no buff for is-7.

teal olive May 27, 2019, 2:56 AM

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I’m for either tbh. I think it’s still an incredibly strong tank and it probably needs NO major changes

deft owl May 27, 2019, 2:58 AM

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People want buff for is-7 because is-4 overshadows it. Thing should done is nerf is-4 not buff is-7.

teal olive May 27, 2019, 3:06 AM

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True @deft owl IS4 is pretty unbalanced and deserves a nerf. It has maus levels of armor but has a better gun, and better mobility, low profile/ better camo, I could go on

raw dagger May 27, 2019, 3:07 AM

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This is kind of random, but for one day next April Fools' Day WG should buff the TOG. Double its DPM and make it go 80 km/h.

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 3:40 AM

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@deft owl so you think if the is4 gets nerfed the is7 will just stop underperforming

nimble zodiac May 27, 2019, 4:41 AM

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@unique scaffold technically yes, a tank doesn’t underperform if all the others are far worse than it 😈

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Is7 is better to get some slight frontal turret buff. Like increase front cheeks for 30mm it would be enough I guess

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:31 AM

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@flat zephyr lol, sure,let's buff the tank that got almost impenetrable turret , without any weakspots when in hulldown, cuz it get penned by td gold ammo

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:33 AM

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Its not penned by td gold, you can pen it easily with mediums running caliberated shells

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:35 AM

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Leo on calibrated shells with gold got 330 pen , and if is7 would get buff cuz cheeks for penned with gold , then e 100 and Maus like need buff as well

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Cuz angling isn't going to defend against calibrated shells+ heat

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:35 AM

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They can angle, they are meant to be angled. Is7 can't

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:36 AM

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Angling won't defend you against 330 pen , ik it cuz I play e 100 a lot ,and against e 100

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:37 AM

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They nerfed traverse, turret traverse, side armor. You want more nerfs?ok decrease the turret armor by 100 I dont give a .....

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:37 AM

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And if you wish to buff is 7 turret , then give it cupola

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:38 AM

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Also 330 can't pen a well angled e100 nor maus

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:38 AM

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Well it can

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:39 AM

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It can't

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:40 AM

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shy wren May 27, 2019, 9:40 AM

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Wiggling Maus and E 100 turrets makes hitting their cheeks hilariously hard

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:41 AM

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Well it can ,and if you will angle it a bit more then side armor will get penned

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:41 AM

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unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:41 AM

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@shy wren cuz is 7 is supposed to sit in one place and wait for enemy tanks too shoot , especially with it medium like mobility

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 9:42 AM

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Funny how some op heavies have become the norm so people start to compare them to a still reasonably balancanced tank like the IS-7 and require for it to be buffed not only because its dmg is a bit low but because they want it to have things that the WZ-113 and IS-4 have. I don't see anyone asking for a bc25t buff even though it sits at the same level in terms of the chart.

With the way we've seen how the dev team handles buffing powercrept tanks it's best they dont touch the IS-7.

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:42 AM

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So ez pen on e100 huh? Still without the enhanced armor

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:44 AM

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@flat zephyr I can't re create it then I can't agree

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:44 AM

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@dusky oxide then see the op is7 in act just now

📎 VID_20190527_135757_881.mp4

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@unique scaffold I don't care you can't create it or no but you can obviously see the creation

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Yet its still without enhanced armor

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:46 AM

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@flat zephyr well no ,I don't know is it on flat terrain , or is it using gun depression , also it could be just take , that's exactly why I think this point is useless

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:47 AM

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@unique scaffold using gun depression in e100, you can't pen it with mediums at all but in you can re create if you have the correct angles

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:47 AM

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All I see is is7 bouncing shoots

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 9:47 AM

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@flat zephyr you got bad rng a couple times when shooting at long range targets while rocking back and forth in your heavy tank and didnt pen moving tanks? That must be fixed.

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:48 AM

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@flat zephyr and once again, are you rly supposed to pen e100 frontaly in medium tanks? What's the point of playing heavy tanks?

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:48 AM

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Yeah it's complete Russian bias none of my shots should have even hit

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:48 AM

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@flat zephyr you was moving all the time , with tank that for its armor and mobility got bad gun stats , that's how balanc works

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:49 AM

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@unique scaffold now you are saying something opposite to what you said. Mediums can pen is7 frontally ez but they shouldn't fight e100 head to head. Nice logic

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:49 AM

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@flat zephyr well as you have shown us , they can't

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:50 AM

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Because I'm a f.... 71% winrate and know how to bounce at distance

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:51 AM

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Unless the e100 can angle turret and move , but is 7 is supposed to sit in flat terrain and wait for enemy shoots

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:51 AM

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Also this is e100 using gun depression

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unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:52 AM

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You could be even JC that have come once again unto our cursed world , all I see is some player crying that is 7 is underperforming cuz he have to aim , and that is 7 isn't broken

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:54 AM

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So you are definitely saying is7 is op, needs nerf and is over performing. Well done wg your nerfs were not enough. Let's remove this damn broken tank from the game

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:54 AM

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So once again your problem is that is 7 have to move or smth? Cuz 343 is pretty bad tbh , check e 5

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:55 AM

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If it was 343 meds would never pen it

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:55 AM

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I could even agree that is 7 is underperforming in comparison to is4 , but for sure not to e100

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Med isn't supposed to pen super heavy in turret armor , when super heavy is angling , and is7 isn't supper heavy

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 9:56 AM

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@flat zephyr most of those shots shouldn't have penned considering where they landed. You hit turret edges 2 times and the obj 268 tracks behind cover. The only shot that is weird was the one hitting e50m's rear hull. You shouldnt have a tank that sits casually hull down and can still get off shots with ease.

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 9:56 AM

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So let's check
Hmm, is7 is over performing comparing to e100 wow

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@dusky oxide then e5 is op, 215 is op, and many more with your conclusion

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 9:58 AM

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Or cuz every single person is telling new players to go for is 7 ? Cuz it is newbie friendly line? But thinking about it would just show how stupid is that point

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And which is even funnier is 7 was my first t10

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 10:00 AM

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@flat zephyr they cant do it comfortably. They have weakpoints and butter soft sides even in the best position possible. They arent op, the is4 is.

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 10:00 AM

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@flat zephyr e 5 is all about hulldown , it's like crying that t29 is op cuz it got only turret armor

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 10:00 AM

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@unique scaffold go and compare is7 with "any" tier 10 heavy tank and just bring one case that is7 is performing better than it

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 10:01 AM

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@flat zephyr I have just told you why ppl on is 7 got bad stats , then read it again , and try to understand it

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 10:01 AM

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Seriously wtf😂😂😂
So it is meant to be under performing 😂😂

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 10:02 AM

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It's no underperforming ,the players that play it are just bad , can you understand ? Or should I tell it in simpler way?

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 10:03 AM

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5000 bad players just playing is7 and all the good players play with other heavies👌😂 nice conclusion

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 10:03 AM

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I'm making the case that it performs as well as a lot of tanks that people arent complaining to get buffed. If the is7 is buffed, other tanks should be buffed as well. And before its buffed the is4 should be nerfed.

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 10:03 AM

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Well I suppose you should know how does AVG works , then I shouldn't have to tell you how exactly 1000 players can influence 5000 players stats

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 10:04 AM

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Nice mind GG. Go to Harvard
You are wasted in blitz

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 10:04 AM

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@dusky oxide nah , dude is crying just cuz he had few bad games

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@flat zephyr it is pretty basic math m8 XD it's like 12 years old kids learn about it tbh XD

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 10:05 AM

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@dusky oxide name another tank that if is7 gets a buff, then it definitely needs a buff too

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Only bad player playing the is7 is far-fetcged but it's definitely fallen out of favor. Look at the t62A. How can it be the worst med on the chart but still have good potential?

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 10:06 AM

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@flat zephyr e 100 Maus , new wz113 cuz it got cupolas , most of other tanks pen so they could fight against them

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It's not so hard to see that t10 balanc is pretty good, and only foch155 needs to get remaked and is4 needs nerf

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 10:07 AM

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@flat zephyr t62a, grille. Why not even the bc25t since it sits at the same level as the is7 on the charts

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 10:07 AM

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E100: splash is7 to death, maus: not about the gun, 113: still gets penned in the cheeka because its not armored

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 10:08 AM

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@flat zephyr every single tank that does have HE and 120 mm gun could splash i7 to death

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 10:08 AM

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@dusky oxide go and just compare bc with is7

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 10:08 AM

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This point is as bad as point about armor could get , what's next? Is 7 doesn't have 150 gun so he needs buff?

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 10:09 AM

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@unique scaffold no they can't. Is7 has a tough tuuret shooting HE at it

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 10:09 AM

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Well nope it will be like 200 dmg , but it will be still worth it with your logic

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 10:10 AM

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Go hit is7's turret frontally with e5
You won't do any damage 9 times out of 10

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 10:10 AM

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Are you trying to show that my point is bad, or yours? Cuz right now you are showing me that is7 is well armored XD

indigo knot May 27, 2019, 10:11 AM

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Is7 turret can only be penned in face hug

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 10:11 AM

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@unique scaffold your point that any 120mm gun can splash is7 to death, they can't. Also why would they because they have 340 heat, ez pen cheeks

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 10:12 AM

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@indigo knot I think only is4 turret armor is made out for facehug , most of other tanks got cupola (wz113) or huge cheeks

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@flat zephyr it was stupid response for stupid point that e 100 can actually use HE

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 10:13 AM

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@unique scaffold e100 can't aim well with 155 mm gun, 120mm guns can aim much better

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 10:13 AM

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When ignoring that even Maus armor doesn't defend against it

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What are you trying to show me here?

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And well I need to take my dog on the walk ,I won't be active for like 20 min , so could you write , your all Reasons why is7 should get buffed in points so it would get easier to respond? Cuz I'm actually interested in reasons why you think that , I would be rly glad if you would do so

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 10:16 AM

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The thing that without buffing the turret, everything would pen it. Everything can pen a turret that is meant to be impenetratable

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 10:17 AM

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None turret is meant to be impenetrable , every single have to got weakspot of some sort , like cupola or cheeks , so it won't be completely broken in hulldown , even e 5 got cupola

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 10:29 AM

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@flat zephyr yeah. If the batchat really was as flexible as it should be, im sure its win rate would be higher than the is7s that you want buffed so badly.

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 11:04 AM

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Isu-152 is soo OP

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 12:07 PM

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@unique scaffold Good combination of alpha and penetration, but with low health points and easy to flank maneuverability i think it's balanced

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Yes but it sometimes ding

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@unique scaffold because of the ISU gun mantlet design, even ISU-122S and 130 variants can bounce every now and then, it's the only defense mechanism of a big chassis which carries a big good engine and the gun

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 12:41 PM

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ISU is a nice tank. Very deadly

cloud dome May 27, 2019, 1:21 PM

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@unique scaffold it’s not worth arguing with the_sab he thinks 121 has more armour than E50m....

hasty glen May 27, 2019, 1:21 PM

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The SG_02 is lagging so hard.

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 2:49 PM

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So when is SU 122 54 getting a dpm nerf

indigo knot May 27, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Never

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 2:57 PM

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@cloud dome lol

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 2:58 PM

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@unique scaffold why does it need one?

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Because I'm averaging 3100 dmg aftet 104 games, which is extremely dumb for a T9

iron lynx May 27, 2019, 3:01 PM

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Well
I'm pretty sure the SU 122 54 will be a very mediocre tank without the legendary DPM

median gust May 27, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Cause you're in gold

short ridge May 27, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Oof

clever void May 27, 2019, 3:27 PM

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@unique scaffold Obviously you are playing it very skillfully. Few players will manage to do as well in it. I feel it never needed a buff as it was one of my favorite tanks even before

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 3:28 PM

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I'm not skillful, I just press the shoot button

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 3:29 PM

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@unique scaffold you want the tank 'balanced' becuase of your personal experience playing it? Have you even looked at it on the charts?

clever void May 27, 2019, 3:29 PM

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The tank has a low HP pool and dies very fast. You are obviously positioning better then most could

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But a 60% player should be able to do 3k average in it. This is however still very high

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 3:31 PM

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It's hp pool is more than most tier9 tds😐

clever void May 27, 2019, 3:31 PM

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But to advocate for a nerf to one of your best tanks is blasphemy

flat zephyr May 27, 2019, 3:31 PM

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More than t30, 704, foch, same as wt and t95

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 3:31 PM

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Additionally its not that flexible even with its good mobility. The gun arc and gd weigh it down. The amount of dpm a tank has is not the same amount its able to put into use effectively all the time.

clever void May 27, 2019, 3:33 PM

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The balancing factor is its gun depression. But I find this isn’t a problem once you understand that you must flank and spank in it

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 3:33 PM

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Ah yes, flank and spank

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 3:33 PM

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Even on the higher stat chart, i dont see why it needs to be nerfed

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clever void May 27, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Alais. This is correct. The WT will obviously out perform it

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Its literally middle of the pack. The dpm is the thing that distinguishes it from another TD like the foch that is also mobile and low alpha compared to the rest/most popular high tier TDs.

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Alright then, I'll keep on happily spank everyone

clever void May 27, 2019, 3:35 PM

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The wz is a surprise tho

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 3:36 PM

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I wish they were more careful with adding high alpha TDs...

clever void May 27, 2019, 3:37 PM

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I rather play 704 over WZ

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 3:39 PM

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That has nothing to do with balance @unique scaffold

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Ok sorry, wrong channel

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 5:05 PM

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How do u report someone there bullying me

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I have proof

shell mirage May 27, 2019, 5:16 PM

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dont be a snowflake

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im gonna start playing war thunder

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you guys softened up my bought tanks with that last update I paid good money for em and a preium member hsip also that how you guys do business

meager spruce May 27, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Wdym? From 5.9 to 5.10 90% of the changes were buffs

wet nymph May 27, 2019, 5:42 PM

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tiger p or tiger 1

shell mirage May 27, 2019, 5:42 PM

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well I cant hardly cause any damage any more with my smasher or my lowe and If I do its usually with my expensive #2 shells I spent all day yesterday pissed off cuz its not fun when you hit someone and more often than not dont cause anmy damage to enemy tank I been playing for 2 months spent significant money (ie credit card ) and now my tanks dont do damage any hardly anymore so I think you guys "nerfed" em so Ill go spend more cash cuz the lesson I learned yesterdya or the lesson you guys want me to learn is futility go buy another tank but instead Ill just go find another game and Im downloading it right now called war thunder Not a good business model if you ask me so Im going elsewhere I had fun but you guys do some stupid things

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 5:47 PM

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lmao speech 100

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Instead of periods he uses 3 spaces. I love the opening sentence though. Its a good start to a unreadable string of words on why he thinks his op tank is broken because someone nerfed it in secret. Personally I think it should get pinned as I've never seen someone complain about not being able to play their smasher.

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 5:53 PM

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complete destruction

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 5:54 PM

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On our side yes, I mean wg just lost a valuable customer.

twilit crystal May 27, 2019, 6:15 PM

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i cant do 3k dmg in the su 122 54. Im way too agressive and seek the end the enemy team too fast

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 6:15 PM

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So if I understood correctly,this guy is struggling to do dmg in Smasher ?

grizzled sleet May 27, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Ikr

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Fix in mm that you can get in one team minimun 2 meds, or 1 med and 1 light.

charred bobcat May 27, 2019, 7:03 PM

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He said minimum, not maximum lol

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Oh sorry then I'm blind

clever void May 27, 2019, 7:11 PM

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@twilit crystal ya the guy must be one patient dude. I can put up 2500 average but not 3k

drowsy plaza May 27, 2019, 7:19 PM

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@shell mirage yesterday I averaged over 2k dmg in my Smasher. It is a you issue.

grizzled sleet May 27, 2019, 7:24 PM

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^

indigo knot May 27, 2019, 7:31 PM

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@shell mirage play for fun at the end of the day its a game

iron lynx May 27, 2019, 7:58 PM

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You can hardly deal damage in a turreted SU-152?
Lol

drowsy plaza May 27, 2019, 8:40 PM

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He’s upset at the HE dmg reductions to tier 6 tanks apparently- and has issues with ammunition selection. @shell mirage download Armor Inspector and Map Inspector

median gust May 27, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Oh no! He can't hear us! He's playing War Thunder

shell mirage May 27, 2019, 9:40 PM

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yah im so over it talk smack all you guys want Im done with WOTB

ebon swift May 27, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Plz no silver loss, even after being top 3 in every match I lost 700k in 4-5hours in t110e3

shy wren May 27, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Well, you are playing in a tier X tank, it’s expected to lose money at the highest of tiers.

tough temple May 27, 2019, 10:22 PM

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So... i tried to show a video about a wot mod, that mod let you move some parts of the tank and "use" some machine guns, was only visual but i thinked, it will be really cool and better for some tanks use machine guns

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A low dmg but fast, i thinked in 50 dmg per second in tier 7 or 8

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Turretless TD's can have a better protection when a med or light try to circle it, very high reloads can use MG's for make dmg until reloads

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Think in M3 lee, tier 4 and 6 french TD's, the MG in almost every german heavy tank

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MG's are a good idea, change my mind

distant river May 27, 2019, 10:44 PM

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How would you control them, how would they be even vaguely realistic by ignoring all armour etc, and why would you want them? @tough temple

tough temple May 27, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Control like the cannon, machine guns don't have a real big armor, in real life it's used for destroy infantry and some light/meds tanks, u can shoot in weak spots or in high tiers a better pen

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I want then because in the game they are ~~weak spots~~ useless, sometimes the thank have a cupola or a turret for give a MG, but nope, it can't be useful

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An extra protection for turrerless TD's and extra dmg for auto loaders and light tanks
So why not?

distant river May 27, 2019, 10:51 PM

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So the hitskins would be what? The same as normal guns or just non existent? You would need a separate firing button which starts getting awkward very quickly. Also in tank on tank battles MGs are useless, so what would they be used for in game? TDs and lights and meds dont need protection anyway

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 10:52 PM

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TDs dont need any more protection from tanks meant to be better than them in a close sitiation when theres 3 of them sitting together at the back in most high tier games. Furthermore the equipment system already allows them to be way less vulnerable. I'd get the mgs if the game resembled wt but its arcade.

tough temple May 27, 2019, 10:54 PM

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@distant river spacebar! The button for use machine gun!
@dusky oxide say it for a jadgpanther without help!

distant river May 27, 2019, 10:55 PM

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@tough temple the game is made for mobile users 🤦

tough temple May 27, 2019, 10:55 PM

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@distant river more one button or only in wot

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 10:56 PM

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@tough temple say what? A tank destroyer is supposed to have limited combat performance in that situation. Thats the trade you make when you play a TD, in turn you get a really good gun and concealment.

distant river May 27, 2019, 10:56 PM

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One more button to press, so you cant shoot main gun and machine gun at same time, crowding the screen even more, whats wring with that 🤦

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 10:57 PM

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One more button is a lot. Especially when it would literally only have one use and even that would be only for one type of tanks.

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We should probably continue this in #general-blitz-discussion because it doesnt seem to have anything to do with balance

tough temple May 27, 2019, 10:58 PM

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@dusky oxide a guy said i need to talk about it here

Nope

dusky oxide May 27, 2019, 10:59 PM

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A mod? @tough temple

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Yeah, then you should definitely continue elsewhere

twilit crystal May 27, 2019, 11:22 PM

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SU 122 54 really does get raged at and its hillarious

obtuse rover May 27, 2019, 11:35 PM

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Plz add 90 mm to amx elc

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 11:36 PM

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@tough temple well tank that would use machine gun on t 8 would be able to fight only light tanks , and even then only the rear armor

tough temple May 27, 2019, 11:38 PM

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I said about it in other chat, when the tier is higher the pen can be higher too

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70mm in high tiers? But i think they already tried something like this, if it's not here now it's because better don't exist

unique scaffold May 27, 2019, 11:42 PM

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Well it would be still useless against most of tanks on t 7-8 , it's better to give tank small gun with big rof and fine penetration smth like 75 mm gun

fiery turtle May 27, 2019, 11:53 PM

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@obtuse rover : Yes, agree, add the 90 mm gun to the AMX ELC please!

But first, make sure it is nerfed to have a REALLY slow rate of fire - like, 3.2 shells per minute (without provisions or gun rammer.) That's less than half the rate of fire of the 90 mm gun on the S35 CA tank destroyer. The penetration figures should also be nerfed, to make them the same as the 90 mm gun on the S35 CA.

obtuse rover May 27, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Add 90 on AMX ELC we beg u wargaming please

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 12:25 AM

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And then cry that you are getting stat padded by 70 wr players in elc

drowsy plaza May 28, 2019, 12:38 AM

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ELC won’t get the 90mm as we have +/-1 in Blitz.

cloud dome May 28, 2019, 12:44 AM

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Can the maus get it’s second gun in blitz or would that be 2 hard. Like the 12.8 cm and the 75mm

grizzled sleet May 28, 2019, 12:47 AM

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I feel like that would be easy to do but difficult to get right

deft owl May 28, 2019, 12:55 AM

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@drowsy plaza Thats not the main reason why elc wont get 90mm.

twilit crystal May 28, 2019, 1:29 AM

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ELC is also much faster in blitz than pc

stoic pebble May 28, 2019, 1:37 AM

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rip pc elc got neutered

twilit crystal May 28, 2019, 1:38 AM

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yeah its now like a fast med

inner locust May 28, 2019, 2:39 AM

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the sad part is that the blitz version is nerfed from real life

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it went 80 kph in real life

quick lichen May 28, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Wait. Are you saying blitz isn’t realistic? Do you mean that the Helsing wasn’t a real tank?!

dim field May 28, 2019, 3:33 AM

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We've been bamboozled

nimble zodiac May 28, 2019, 5:57 AM

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You’re telling me that these nuclear electric engines don’t exist? 😢

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Mind blowing

obtuse rover May 28, 2019, 6:45 AM

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Put 90 mm on elc

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Wargaming are u gonna do it? Add 90 mm on Elc

upper socket May 28, 2019, 7:43 AM

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The 90mm is in the files and all they need to do is change a couple 0s to 1s, but it will not happen as elc is balanced to have a 75

gilded pivot May 28, 2019, 8:21 AM

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ELC doesn't need the 90mm

drowsy plaza May 28, 2019, 11:16 AM

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@deft owl why do you think it won’t get done

quick lichen May 28, 2019, 11:18 AM

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It’s tricky. Wg revamping tier 1-5 saw a lot of tanks lose high alpha derp guns

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Pz4, m4, Hetzer etc

gilded pivot May 28, 2019, 11:20 AM

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So would WG add the ikv72 and ikv 103 with the 105mm?

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 11:28 AM

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Tier 5 vs tier 6, you cant play. Its so broken..over 300hp tier 6 have more hp than tier 5. But wg dont care.

crystal spoke May 28, 2019, 11:31 AM

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You can fight tier 6 in tier 5s it's just difficult and you have to alter your play style

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 11:50 AM

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Pls nerf premium tank

lilac sedge May 28, 2019, 11:56 AM

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B-balance

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unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 12:20 PM

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@unique scaffold no

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@gilded pivot doubt they would add that line for blitz

crystal spoke May 28, 2019, 12:26 PM

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@unique scaffold which one how so?

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 12:39 PM

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@crystal spoke smasher dracula helsing is6 lowe t34 t22 medium and many more

crystal spoke May 28, 2019, 12:41 PM

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The is6 is under preforming the lowe and t34 are fine idk about the t22 but I cant think of more then 3 op tanks

flat zephyr May 28, 2019, 12:41 PM

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Lol
You are the first person I see that wants is6 nerfed

crystal spoke May 28, 2019, 12:42 PM

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I'd appreciate a bit of a buff to it

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 12:42 PM

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ya des francais?

flat zephyr May 28, 2019, 12:42 PM

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Also t34. They are both at such a balance that they don't need any nerfs, is6 might even need some buff

crystal spoke May 28, 2019, 12:43 PM

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No English only @unique scaffold

Yeah I'm thinking maybe an accuracy buff

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 12:43 PM

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ho okey sorry

flat zephyr May 28, 2019, 12:44 PM

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Accuracy is useless for a Russian tank😂
Armor buff though makes it op, so maybe speed and traverse?🤔

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Make it medium😂

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Lowe is op in comparison to toger 2

meager spruce May 28, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Wtf is a toger 2 @unique scaffold ? Mix between Tiger2 and Tog 2? XD

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 1:40 PM

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That could be actually good XD

pastel elk May 28, 2019, 1:42 PM

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xd

rose lynx May 28, 2019, 1:42 PM

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lol

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 1:43 PM

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@rose lynx

rose lynx May 28, 2019, 1:43 PM

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hello

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Hi

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Are you English?

rose lynx May 28, 2019, 1:45 PM

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i can speak english

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Are you Poland?

rose lynx May 28, 2019, 1:46 PM

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i live in asia

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 1:46 PM

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👍

pastel elk May 28, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Are you Polish? @unique scaffold

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Yes

pastel elk May 28, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Cool

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 1:59 PM

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@pastel elk dodasz do znajomych?

pastel elk May 28, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Sure

cloud dome May 28, 2019, 3:28 PM

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We need a tog with a tiger 2 gun and that’s how we get a toger 2

fringe summit May 28, 2019, 4:39 PM

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One day, players won’t play tech tree vehicles anymore

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crystal spoke May 28, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Good means there will be no end in funds for wg to continue development of blitz

twilit crystal May 28, 2019, 4:45 PM

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tbf only 3/7 of those tanks are OP

crystal spoke May 28, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Which is the third?

twilit crystal May 28, 2019, 4:48 PM

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3/7. Two Smashers

crystal spoke May 28, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Ohh I thought you ment there were 3 different op tanks not two of the same

torn cliff May 28, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Wz-120-1 FT is third

crystal spoke May 28, 2019, 4:55 PM

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Yeah I thought he ment the wz-120-1ft the smashers (counting as one tank ) and there was another but now I know what he means

quick violet May 28, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Lowe kinda OP not gonna lie could easily count that

crystal spoke May 28, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Ehh its really good but I wouldn't say op

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I wouldn't use a disease to describe anything its frowned upon by the mods

ivory fractal May 28, 2019, 6:23 PM

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You could choose better words @grizzled sleet

grizzled sleet May 28, 2019, 6:24 PM

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There it is knew it was coming

molten copper May 28, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Common devs just add auto loaders for Amx Foch tech tree😔 ive spend so much time grinding: got a worthless tank. No ammor even a tier 3 can pen foch from front. Pls change

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On normal wot the amx has auto loader from tier 8

dusky oxide May 28, 2019, 6:38 PM

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The 'ammor' is good enough on the t9 and 10. The tank wont be getting an autoloader because it would require changing a lot of its current features which are balanced for the current version. Just cause the heshbarn will have one doesnt mean the foch should. The foch is far too mobile and low profile/has good concealment for such a thing.

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 7:13 PM

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You can tell he doesn't know what he's talking about, "tier 3 can pen foch"

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But actually Foch 155 is in need of some love

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Just look how bad it looks in comparison to 268

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compact sundial May 28, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Because one is a Frenchie, and the other is the new YOLOwagon

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Well bias was always good reason to underpower tanks

nimble zodiac May 28, 2019, 7:26 PM

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I’d say the Foch has a better armor profile than the 268

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Well it don't , flat armor under nice angle but with huge cupolas , and soft side armor that can get heshed

nimble zodiac May 28, 2019, 7:30 PM

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Hesh gets the 268 too, also for the speed it’s pretty good

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One of the cupolas have troll armor and it can grab shots from new Xs

dusky oxide May 28, 2019, 7:47 PM

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"foch 155 is in need of love"

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lament vessel May 28, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Hm, look dmg...

visual nimbus May 28, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Hmmm

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Hmmmm, dmg boi

harsh oriole May 28, 2019, 9:11 PM

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tier 9 foch is scarier than tier 10

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 9:12 PM

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@dusky oxide let's ignore the fact that only very good players play it

dusky oxide May 28, 2019, 9:17 PM

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@unique scaffold why would a tech tree tank be only driven by very good players? I dont see the batchat having as high stats but its known to be favored by people who have a better understanding of the game and are more aware. Furthermore, like is said on the first chart, the stats have been gathered only from good players so every other tank is played by a player of the same caliber.

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Thats a very bad argument considering you dont have any kind of info to prove it.

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Same goes for ob263 , you may met 50 wr player or below on it but it's rare 2. BC isnt favored by good players

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But it would be interesting to have some kind of grafs and info from wg which would show stats of players that are playing these tanks , cuz without it ,it will be just my word against yours

grizzled sleet May 28, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Lol the grille is what needs some love

dusky oxide May 28, 2019, 9:22 PM

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@lament vessel @visual nimbus @unique scaffold how is there anything wrong with the avg dmg of the foch? Its literally middle of the pack on both charts?

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 9:22 PM

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@grizzled sleet nah , it's completely balanced

grizzled sleet May 28, 2019, 9:23 PM

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No it's complete trash

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Can't camp cuz you don't have a camo worth anything, can't Frontline cuz it doesn't have armour, can't play with meds cuz you get tunneled and have a horrible traverse

quick lichen May 28, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Eh

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What

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Foch has very strong armor for the mobility lol

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The ONLY thing that’s bad is the accuracy and dpm

dusky oxide May 28, 2019, 9:27 PM

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@unique scaffold it wont be your word against mine because its in fact your word against my word and the stats used for balancing to back it up, so also wgs word. The info gathered only from skilled players exist so all the tanks are measured with similar players playing them. You really cant form any sort of accurate representation just by looking at the stats of players you meet playing the tank youre talking about. You saying foch is not balanced but appears to have good stats because its played by very good players is only only a notion you have.

clever void May 28, 2019, 9:29 PM

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I would love a grille buff... but the only thing it needs is traverse

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or maybe a 45% gun traverse would work

grizzled sleet May 28, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Lol your kidding right? It has the 3rd worst camo of all tier 10 TDs

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Just because wg isn't buffing the tank doesn't mean it don't need it , for how long did we had exactly wait for buff of bp , then unless you would shown the stats of players that are playing it ,cuz right now I just can't agree with you

dusky oxide May 28, 2019, 9:32 PM

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I bet grille is one of those tanks wg is very careful with in terms of balancing because it would have such good potential for experienced players if it was more sneaky.

quick lichen May 28, 2019, 9:32 PM

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I agree with him

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Grille gets traverse and that should be enough

nimble zodiac May 28, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Glass cannon anyways

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 9:33 PM

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@grizzled sleet it's not td made up for camping , it's more like 263

grizzled sleet May 28, 2019, 9:33 PM

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So your telling me to Frontline the meds?

nimble zodiac May 28, 2019, 9:33 PM

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#spotting

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 9:34 PM

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@grizzled sleet support the meds and help them push , sometimes frontline but not alone when you could get flanked

dusky oxide May 28, 2019, 9:34 PM

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@unique scaffold Of course it doesnt mean that. But they only buff tanks when theyre underperforming, and the foch sure isnt :D So far you havent been able to tell us why the foch is doing well but it 'needs a buff' as you say.

nimble zodiac May 28, 2019, 9:35 PM

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I’m honestly scared of Foch

dusky oxide May 28, 2019, 9:36 PM

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I wouldnt take advice from a guy that thinks the TD with the second lowest wr doesnt need rebalancing but wants the TD with the second best wr to get a buff...

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 9:36 PM

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@dusky oxide well I think the Foch needs the buff cuz it isn't often seen in battlefield nor on the tournaments or ranked battles

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I actually think that the grille low wr may be made up by new players grinding that line

grizzled sleet May 28, 2019, 9:37 PM

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Lol

dusky oxide May 28, 2019, 9:38 PM

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@unique scaffold so you want to buff a tank to make it popular? Your reasoning keeps getting worse. Thats part of why we have op IS4s dominating pubs and filling team rosters in clan wars.

grizzled sleet May 28, 2019, 9:38 PM

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If you can, pull up the stats for both the grille and the waffle, tell me what you see

dusky oxide May 28, 2019, 9:39 PM

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@unique scaffold yes, must be lots of new players with 55-56% around lmao

grizzled sleet May 28, 2019, 9:40 PM

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Seriously waffle needs a nerf, idk how but it does because if you gave it like 100-200 more HP it could be called a tier 10

nimble zodiac May 28, 2019, 9:41 PM

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But penetration

grizzled sleet May 28, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Waffle is very campy but it can also be extraordinary great at brawling

nimble zodiac May 28, 2019, 9:42 PM

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Yes, with a cleanup crew situation

grizzled sleet May 28, 2019, 9:42 PM

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@nimble zodiac on what the waffle? (About the pen)

nimble zodiac May 28, 2019, 9:43 PM

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Wasn’t it 255? I might have forgotten

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 9:44 PM

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@dusky oxide hmm it's hard to disagree with your point , but could you tell me where did you get AVG wr of playerbase that got foch155?

grizzled sleet May 28, 2019, 9:44 PM

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@nimble zodiac yes it was but the HEAT is the same as the grilles so it won't have a problem with heavies

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 9:44 PM

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For me wt got lower profile and better gun depression which makes it just better as second line support

nimble zodiac May 28, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Oh but I have a Löwe

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Every time in Normandy I’m expecting a WT to be in those bushes on northside bunker

grizzled sleet May 28, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Really? I Frontline my waffle on Normandy, as long as I have someone to hid behind

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Autoloaders love to hide there too XD

dusky oxide May 28, 2019, 9:49 PM

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@unique scaffold in school they taught us to always look for what is studied on a graph and by which indicators before looking at the graphs contents. I guess we didnt go through the same education system though. The stats on tanks in #devs-answers are gathered from people with similar career stats. That means that the same skill group of people play each tank.

I only told you this three times

unique scaffold May 28, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Well I'm blind , I didn't saw that it is just 55 -65 wr players stats

coral elm May 28, 2019, 10:35 PM

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お

drowsy plaza May 28, 2019, 10:47 PM

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@unique scaffold it’s been on every graph since WG started publication of them. Additionally several folks gave you that info over and over and over again.

indigo knot May 29, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Truth be told waffle is tier 10 already

teal olive May 29, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Ahhhh not exactly

unique scaffold May 29, 2019, 2:40 AM

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weaken the tank WZ-120-FT his armor is too strong even with golden ammunition, the tank reflects the bullets!! for the future, add weak tanks and only then correct them WG !!

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you have overreacted with this tank WG!!

mortal granite May 29, 2019, 2:51 AM

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@unique scaffoldlike the Blaze

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Ive penned the thing with a Blaze(not sure how cuz lower plate is super tiny even with fast aim)

dim field May 29, 2019, 3:36 AM

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Blaze is a fun tank, especially after the buff

flat bane May 29, 2019, 3:37 AM

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Please give m103 10mm of more side armor 👏

unique scaffold May 29, 2019, 3:44 AM

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@unique scaffold i need gold and apcr cost to much silver lel

unique scaffold May 29, 2019, 5:17 AM

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the truth is that even gold ammunition does not pierce the tank, it reflects the shells like crazy WZ-120-FT he is fast and agile and in addition, it reflects 7/10 missiles I fought with this tank many times and the player with this tank did what he wanted with me just because the creators gave him too much armor I shot at him from AP (bottom plate) he reflected the bullets I fired bullets (APCR) he reflected the balls 5 shots 2 penetrations were only anyone who thinks that the tank is well made is seriously mistaken and from today I will start to record the actions I have with this tank and how it gets from him !!

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I agree the tank should be tough but with gold ammunition it should be possible to break it, and not that the tank with gold bullets would reflect

rigid wigeon May 29, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Just aim

tranquil wadi May 29, 2019, 6:45 AM

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Aiming isn’t hard

twin egret May 29, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Aiming takes less time to blink

unique scaffold May 29, 2019, 6:48 AM

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Aiming decreases dpm

upper socket May 29, 2019, 6:53 AM

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Not if you aim while still reloading, poke like 1 second before you are loaded and start aiming

dim field May 29, 2019, 6:54 AM

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Pretty sure they were joking.

main tundra May 29, 2019, 7:14 AM

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WZ would need a nerf, but WG won't do it, because it's Premium tank.

nimble zodiac May 29, 2019, 7:24 AM

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I mean what tank were you using?

obtuse rover May 29, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Add 90 mm on AMX ELC bis

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But to balance make the damage 185 and 11 second reload

nimble zodiac May 29, 2019, 7:28 AM

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Scavenger will eat up that low of DPM, I’d rather keep 160 like the average it is

rose lynx May 29, 2019, 8:50 AM

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add the 90mm as a alternate gun choice and make the rof lower

distant river May 29, 2019, 9:29 AM

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Why does everyone want a 90mm on the elc all of a sudden?

upper socket May 29, 2019, 10:26 AM

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People always wanted it 🤷

idle night May 29, 2019, 12:36 PM

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Why can ipad players watch Ad ang get gold and not computer players?

unique scaffold May 29, 2019, 1:26 PM

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how much gold do you get for watching ads?

void pewter May 29, 2019, 1:26 PM

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10

unique scaffold May 29, 2019, 1:28 PM

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how many ads can you watch aa day? @void pewter

jade cargoBOT May 29, 2019, 1:33 PM

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dynoSuccess Haz | 那之米#2910 has been warned.

unique scaffold May 29, 2019, 1:45 PM

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5

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 1:47 PM

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how did the maus still get much better avg winrate when it's literally a free boxy target?

deep pewter May 29, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Buff T32 gun plssssssss

tranquil wadi May 29, 2019, 1:48 PM

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It’s fine how it is

twilit crystal May 29, 2019, 1:48 PM

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t9s balance charts are so nice. So flat

deep pewter May 29, 2019, 1:48 PM

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no it not fine

obtuse sparrow May 29, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Tier 9 is the awkward tier, everything is too normal

deep pewter May 29, 2019, 1:49 PM

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fu cking chiese tank make the gun look stupit

twilit crystal May 29, 2019, 1:49 PM

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t9 is the best tier for tournaments but it is never used

obtuse sparrow May 29, 2019, 1:50 PM

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imo tier eight is how I do my tourneys

tranquil wadi May 29, 2019, 1:50 PM

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@deep pewter no it doesn’t and I’d be careful if your language

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 1:50 PM

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tier 8 is weighted on defender and chinese 122 meta

river portal May 29, 2019, 1:50 PM

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183 worst tank now

tranquil wadi May 29, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Good

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 1:51 PM

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why not just remove 183? and give us badger?

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everyone is gonna be mad if it's get slight buff. but, nowaday the player who using it is really suffering

deep pewter May 29, 2019, 1:52 PM

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because the Badger would be too same with AT line lol

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 1:52 PM

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and it's also more consistency on research tree
that is the point duh

deep pewter May 29, 2019, 1:53 PM

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WG think that

twilit crystal May 29, 2019, 1:54 PM

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t8 is garbage lo.. ITs literally IS spam + wz 120

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@sleek vault good anyone who uses the 183 should suffer. Im nutting every time I see 183s on the enemy team

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 1:56 PM

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that why just remove it lmao im not using it either
anyway there is no WZ-120 T8 in the chart

quick lichen May 29, 2019, 1:57 PM

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@sleek vault not enough people have it

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 1:58 PM

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lul 😂

quick lichen May 29, 2019, 1:58 PM

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It has to be 1% of all games played in that tier to be classified I think

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 1:59 PM

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if i had spare money i would like to pick it up tho

clever void May 29, 2019, 1:59 PM

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I can’t wait for the buff into oblivion of the E50m

teal frigate May 29, 2019, 1:59 PM

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so type61, t57 and 183 need a buff?

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 1:59 PM

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183 need to be changed with badger instead releasing badger as premium

teal frigate May 29, 2019, 2:00 PM

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and e50m nerf cuz its overperforming
and why is waiting time 30s now?

deep pewter May 29, 2019, 2:00 PM

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183 dont need bufff

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 2:00 PM

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see? everyone is mad when 183 literally get buffed by 0.000001

clever void May 29, 2019, 2:02 PM

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They might. I can see them surprising us like that. They just don’t want everyone to get 183 so everyone gets it

slim jewel May 29, 2019, 2:02 PM

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I'm surprised Obj 252U has less than 1% of games played

quick lichen May 29, 2019, 2:03 PM

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I might be wrong as to how things end up there

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 2:03 PM

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that you remind me that 252U too

deep pewter May 29, 2019, 2:03 PM

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i kill 252u first every battle i meet it

clever void May 29, 2019, 2:03 PM

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But the badger replacement of 183 is so logical that I really don’t think their is a way around this

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 2:04 PM

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but because it's logical it's need to be implemented
remember when they literally snapped out tier 7 research tree and below? because they think it's need more consistency in the research tree

unique scaffold May 29, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Wondering why didn't they add T22 Med to the charts?

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 2:05 PM

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same reason as 252U and WZ 120

clever void May 29, 2019, 2:05 PM

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I hopeful. I’ll just sit and wait. I love the 183 even tho it’s shit I still prefer to not loss it

deep pewter May 29, 2019, 2:06 PM

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why WT tanks have more pen than WoT tanks ?

drowsy plaza May 29, 2019, 2:07 PM

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@unique scaffold Very few games played in those tanks relative to the rest

crystal spoke May 29, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Wt uses different types of shells and is balanced differently in response

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 2:07 PM

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comparing other game that different genre
he should be muted already

unique scaffold May 29, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Eh 183 nerf was soo bad. They made the tank trash but they didn't solve the problem. That tank cannot be balanced

deep pewter May 29, 2019, 2:07 PM

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nah i played both

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183 is more belance than u thought

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 2:09 PM

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told ya change the 183 already
everyone is mad when it's get very very slightly buff but the player is suffering when they play it

unique scaffold May 29, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Nah it's a trash tank

deep pewter May 29, 2019, 2:10 PM

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1000 dam per shoot is trash ?

unique scaffold May 29, 2019, 2:10 PM

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You don't see the point but whatever

deep pewter May 29, 2019, 2:10 PM

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or u played it wrong way

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 2:12 PM

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nah just don't mind him... he should be muted already since he not contributed to the discussion

unique scaffold May 29, 2019, 2:12 PM

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?? I don't even play it...

Just look at the charts if you don't belive it's a trash tank

The nerf made it a useless tank but didn't solve the problem of bots camping in spawn doing massive damage

Tank is broken and cannot be balanced

All I'm trying to say is that the nerf was unecessary and dumb

slim rivet May 29, 2019, 2:13 PM

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I couldn’t say it better^^

iron hearth May 29, 2019, 2:14 PM

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removing it would have been the best and replace it with something else idk

slim rivet May 29, 2019, 2:14 PM

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I might be wrong but I believe some1 from WG said it’s not gonna happen

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 2:14 PM

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there is THE REPLACEMENT oh god :(
replace it with badger already :(

unique scaffold May 29, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Nah badger will be a collector tank

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 2:15 PM

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since it's not officially released yet it's prior to change
it's still in the name on the paper
there is still a time to change 183 with badger so come on :(

slim rivet May 29, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Also we don’t know the characteristics of badger if it’s released. 100% sure they ll defer from the ones during tests

ivory fractal May 29, 2019, 2:18 PM

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sleek vault May 29, 2019, 2:19 PM

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hmm i see they indeed need buff

quick lichen May 29, 2019, 2:19 PM

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I’m really interested in this

sullen vault May 29, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Oh,i hope the 50b gets a traverse buff.i dont think it really needs anything else methinks

quick lichen May 29, 2019, 2:19 PM

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lower inter clip reload on both by .5 seconds

sleek vault May 29, 2019, 2:19 PM

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wait tier 8-10 autoloader? this going to be cool, gonna grind those autoloader

final root May 29, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Custom Jackie pfp revealed @sullen vault

sullen vault May 29, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Yes B @final root

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The tortiose and T28 are heavily underperforming meanwhile the gap between the avg dmg and wr of the 183 is hilarious