#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 130

quick lichen May 17, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Define “much better”

twilit crystal May 17, 2019, 9:37 PM

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i consider the arl better tho. Didnt really like the kuro.

empty ice May 17, 2019, 10:20 PM

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Better than it previously was

harsh oriole May 17, 2019, 10:20 PM

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why is the tog there

unique scaffold May 17, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Hey guys were can I live chat with a wotb employee or worker? It says my account is banned please contact billing support(I never refunded or anything)

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😂 😂

empty ice May 17, 2019, 10:34 PM

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...

pastel nimbus May 17, 2019, 10:35 PM

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A20 HE Pen 🤔

indigo knot May 17, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Kv2 is still the best

pastel nimbus May 17, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Yeah, but the A20 is also mobile. . .it doesn't deal enough damage for a full HP oneshot, but you most likely go through the armor

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I mean, if you don't have a Matilda or B1 as enemy, it makes no Sense for you to take HEAT or AP

twilit crystal May 17, 2019, 11:11 PM

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uh AP makes sense lol Tracks+destructible objects

pastel nimbus May 17, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Why should you shoot near the tracks if you can pen like everything with HE? And the objects are easy to move around. . .

gloomy dragon May 18, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Cuz lazy. You shoot ap to break the objects and more often than not, theyre still sitting there waiting for a round of HE by the time you reload.

nimble zodiac May 18, 2019, 1:45 AM

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Tog is a good tier VI

hot snow May 18, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Why does the Luchs a light tank have the same hull traverse... as a tier 5 heavy?

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Actually its worse than a unbuffed (no consumables/equipment) t1 heavy.

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its slightly worse than a bdr hull traverse for petes sake

nimble zodiac May 18, 2019, 2:37 AM

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It makes no sense how it has all V modules : P

hot snow May 18, 2019, 2:40 AM

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hull traverse is 28.8 degress with fuel and the traverse upgrade its upto 32 degrees

iron lynx May 18, 2019, 3:13 AM

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Wow
The LTTB has more than double the hull traverse speed

drowsy plaza May 18, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Luch was nerfed to stop Seal clubbers

hot snow May 18, 2019, 4:09 AM

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Theres nerfing... and then theres going overboard and nerfing stomping something into oblivion.... the later is what happened to the luchs.

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a light tank should not have mobility stats than a heavy tank.

humble spear May 18, 2019, 4:12 AM

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You're telling me 60 km/h forwards, and a 25 hp/t ratio on hard terrain is that of a heavy? The Luchs was the seal clubbing tank, and if wargaming wanted the clubbing of seals to decrease, this tank would be among those that'd be hit the hardest.

hot snow May 18, 2019, 4:14 AM

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it still has a 30 ph/t ratio now.

humble spear May 18, 2019, 4:16 AM

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The speed was one of the factors as to why it was so good, but the main thing was the gun, and that's been nerfed heavily. Same for the VK 16.02 Leopard

hot snow May 18, 2019, 4:17 AM

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yeah explains why ive had to load apcr to pen m3 lees..

humble spear May 18, 2019, 4:18 AM

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the penetration's never been touched, it's always been around 80 iirc

hot snow May 18, 2019, 4:18 AM

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not its ben nerfed as well.. cant pen m7 frontal... trouble penning a pz 3 with a flat side.

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Tried to CoD a churchill... who was able to keep their gun on me the entire time and i barely pened its rear with apcr

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Im not saying it shouldnt have been nerfed when it got turned into a collector tank... im saying they went too far... as usual when nerfing things

nimble zodiac May 18, 2019, 4:49 AM

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I’m pretty sure M7 got an armor buff so it was competent for once

obsidian laurel May 18, 2019, 6:24 AM

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I don’t like to play lower tiers however 5.5 was toxic for the game

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It’s like killing pests infesting a city with a nuke, rather counterproductive

dapper thorn May 18, 2019, 10:31 AM

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I say nerf travese speed should be increased

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I meant grille, sorry auto correct

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 12:15 PM

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@obsidian laurel 5.5 was absolutely great for the game. It ended the reign of low tier clubbers, created a better learning environment for new players, and paid veterans thousands of gold to trade their collector tanks in. I netted a AMX 30 1er from 5.5. Best update ever.

formal kernel May 18, 2019, 12:22 PM

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guys what do u think about FV tank destroyer, it’s unnormal when fv has 950-1500 dmg one shot and jg.pz.e100 600-800.

fiery flame May 18, 2019, 12:27 PM

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Very good observation, needs nerf

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 12:29 PM

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yeah pretty strange

clever void May 18, 2019, 12:36 PM

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🥴

cerulean tulip May 18, 2019, 12:51 PM

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It's actually very normal but yeah Fv should get an alpha buff

fringe apex May 18, 2019, 2:12 PM

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An alpha buff, did i read corectly ?

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Yea

soft spindle May 18, 2019, 2:37 PM

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M5 Stuart is the new luchs

fringe apex May 18, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Lol, lets give a 4k alpha with 3s of reload and 999 mm of Pen

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No fv is not good for the t10 gameplay it dont deserve a buff especially an alpha buff

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 3:21 PM

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@unique scaffold first of all, the nerfs did the rebalance not the removal of tanks. If there were only nerfs, why would some players disagree the changes?
Second of all, the amount of gold was enough to just compensate about 80% of tanks costs, not all of it and also thinking about players that had gold camos on these tanks, it would even compensate less so why would I be happy about it? I bought them all to play with all, have an all round account, now I can't even play tier 5 thanks to the changes that made lower tiers unbearable

cerulean tulip May 18, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Rip Pz3/4

quick lichen May 18, 2019, 3:37 PM

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@flat zephyr why should wg compensate you 100%?

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If you could sell a tank for 100% of what you bought it for, you essentially borrowed it

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 3:38 PM

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@quick lichen I would like the 80% though, but it just I have gold camo on all of them, even several camos on one tank. It drops to less than 50%

quick lichen May 18, 2019, 3:38 PM

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I thought the gold was rather generous and it paid for my k-91

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Idk why you’d ever buy a gold camo below tier 7 tbh

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Although @quick lichen I bought many of them with money not gold. And then spend more money to buy camos. If I get 25k gold from them, i have spent more than 50k for them so why would I be happy?

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The value of them has dropped to half and I can't even play them anymore.
The other thing is they are nerfing premiums, changing them to collectables. So I'm not actually getting what they did say to give so they must compensate most of it

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@quick lichen why wouldn't I when I used to play with them? I have no tank that I don't want to play with so I have at least one gold camo on all of my tanks

quick lichen May 18, 2019, 3:43 PM

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You could still play them

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But ok

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 3:43 PM

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But now they are butchered, you can't play many of them as they are unbalanced as hell and many more

quick lichen May 18, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Basically all of the low tier tanks were nerfed to be more beginner friendly

drowsy plaza May 18, 2019, 3:55 PM

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I played several of the low tier collectors after 5.5. Boring - but in the face of blanket nerfs to everything (but Kenny OP, which I own and don’t play anymore - it does deserve a nerf too) most tanks where still competitive. WG has also buffed a few since when they realized the knife went too deep into a few of them

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:02 PM

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@quick lichen the game speed is completely unbearable. There were plenty of methods to get lower tiers more beginner friendly instead of butchering it for older players who didn't cared about profile or damage things

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Like the thing they done to separate players with less than 5k battles was quite well IMO, but then the rest is arguable

quick lichen May 18, 2019, 4:04 PM

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You have 25,000+ battles (veteran role) and you’re complaining about tier v and below. I’m glad there are separate queues for people like you

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We have very different things we care about within the game

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:06 PM

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@quick lichen I have 40k+ battles and since I am not interested in professional playing anymore, I would have fun tier 5 and 6 rather than getting mad at tier 10

nimble zodiac May 18, 2019, 4:06 PM

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Then make the choice to be mad at tier X or V

quick lichen May 18, 2019, 4:07 PM

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You don’t have to ping me every single time. I’m smart enough to understand when you’re directing something at me

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:07 PM

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You can't be mad at tier 5 players since it isn't competitive enough
And ok I won't

quick lichen May 18, 2019, 4:07 PM

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Often people get mad at high tiers because they’re not good enough to play them. So they resort to low tiers in order to win games

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Well you can check that one out to find out about it. Best to check it from blitz assistant than blitzstars since it has some problems with transferred accounts

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:09 PM

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I dont see a point in playing low tiers. High tiers is what creates the challenge aspect of the game, not just taking easy wins lol

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Also you can check 30d total in blitzstars, it is somehow accurate enough to show some skill level

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Unless youre grinding a line then there really isnt a reason to linger

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:10 PM

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I have all tanks so there is no grinding
Also you might want to take a brake from tier 8 and higher tiers.
The other thing is you can always learn thing from lower tiers

nimble zodiac May 18, 2019, 4:11 PM

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I’d figure you’d know everything then :3

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Learn how to club new players? If you have all tanks then theres no point in playing low tiers.

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Or you just can go to noob mode, do whatever you want like the "ram only" challenge but in randoms

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There is no point in playing randoms when you have all tanks

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:13 PM

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Dont play then lol

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 4:13 PM

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This is a video game and the main point is to have fun. If he wants to play low tiers, then what's your problem?

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:14 PM

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I'm not the one complaining about low tier nerfs and whatnot

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:14 PM

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But you are defending it

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 4:14 PM

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The lower tiers should be boring for a veteran player. They aren't meant for veterans. They are meant to be a learning ground for new players.

quick lichen May 18, 2019, 4:14 PM

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That’s why it’s so stream lined

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:15 PM

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That's why it's boring nowadays
Also who said they aren't meant for veterans? Don't veterans need a break from higher tiers? From competitive play style into some fun mode?

median gust May 18, 2019, 4:15 PM

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then go a20

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Not really, veterans dont need to play low tiers to club less expereince players

quick lichen May 18, 2019, 4:16 PM

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My break from high tiers is playing tier 8 or a different game

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:16 PM

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I'm not clubber, I use well balanced tanks
Also my other game needs much more effort than blitz so that wouldn't be a break

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 4:16 PM

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@charred bobcat says who?

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Says everyone who has half the decency to do so and those who are at least decent at the game

nimble zodiac May 18, 2019, 4:17 PM

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There’s this thing called training rooms

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:18 PM

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IDK you have checked the stats but maybe by changing point of view a bit, I'm not talking nonsense. Maybe I am but haven't considered yet

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 4:18 PM

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There's also a thing called playing this game for fun. If @flat zephyr is having fun playing low tiers, then let him be

nimble zodiac May 18, 2019, 4:19 PM

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He is being mad about nerfs tho...?

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 4:19 PM

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And since low tiers are balanced, he has no advantages over the 'newbies'. Equipment is also cheap

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:20 PM

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Have fun clubbing those who just started. Yeah real fun.

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:20 PM

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The "how boring and unbalanced lower tiers are nowadays" thing not much about nerfs

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@charred bobcat what's your IGN and server?

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:21 PM

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Loadthegoid on NA

nimble zodiac May 18, 2019, 4:21 PM

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Oof u gonna stats him?

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:21 PM

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Well that's your reroll. I want the real one

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 4:21 PM

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@charred bobcat you were also a starter at some point. And you've probably learned some aspects of this game from so called clubbers

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:22 PM

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Lol i dont play low tiers and thats all there is.

nimble zodiac May 18, 2019, 4:22 PM

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The slow pace helps new players react and learn in a longer time period. This keeps them from feeling too rushed in a game

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:22 PM

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@nimble zodiac so let new players have that system not all the players

clever void May 18, 2019, 4:22 PM

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Lmao

nimble zodiac May 18, 2019, 4:23 PM

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I suppose, but it seems to bore veterans so it’s like an automatic filter for some

cobalt canopy May 18, 2019, 4:24 PM

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@clever void @clever void @clever void

clever void May 18, 2019, 4:24 PM

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🤬

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:24 PM

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Yes the new system will bore veterans but thinking about older one, I didn't

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:24 PM

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@unique scaffold I didnt learn anything from low tier clubbers. I got out of low tiers and stayed out of it.

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 4:24 PM

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Then it's your problem

cobalt canopy May 18, 2019, 4:25 PM

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@unique scaffold @unique scaffold

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:25 PM

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That's not a problem for me lol.

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:25 PM

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@charred bobcat I'm still waiting for your (not reroll) id
I can send my reroll also but that's not important at all
Also if you don't care about lower tiers, stay away from the discussion

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 4:25 PM

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@cobalt canopy no, I don't have vodka. Go away now

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:26 PM

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I dont need to give it because i dont play that account anymore. All i play is tier 10

clever void May 18, 2019, 4:26 PM

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@flat zephyr Trust me. He is a 40% er 🤣

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:27 PM

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The reroll he send is well played, but not as well as mine. That's not a matter, I would like to know the actual average play stats

nimble zodiac May 18, 2019, 4:27 PM

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I basically have seal clubbed before but not for stats. The Luchs toon I make were hilarious like pirañas shredding enemies that fall behind

cobalt canopy May 18, 2019, 4:28 PM

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hay

clever void May 18, 2019, 4:28 PM

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Is for horses

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:29 PM

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If you would call a t82 with 100 battles and 48 winrate in an account with 65 winrate clubbing, then IDK what to say

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:30 PM

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That's not clubbing that's the player when they were still learning and bad at the game

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:30 PM

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That's the clubbing. I skipped t82 and then returned to it much later

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:31 PM

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If you returned to it later and you were still bad in it then you're just bad, not clubbing

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:32 PM

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I'm not bad in it, I just don't care about it so you can let it go, play on move, play at bus with weak connection, play at university, anywhere else

drowsy plaza May 18, 2019, 4:33 PM

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After 3.8 Equipment the Clubbing got ridiculous as WG has never put a single ounce of thought into what it would do to tanks down there. You don’t learn from Seal Clubbers - what’s to be learned about roaring around being an Army of One in a Cruiser or T-46 etc,? Nothing other than how to Club. 99.99% of those clubbers sucked past tier 7

nimble zodiac May 18, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Then I suppose we’re good now since the low tiers are balanced... A-20 is gonna need a punch tho

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Being portable is the concept of this game and also a game means you must have fun
Also you would learn many things if you want to.
Many things I learnt from lower tiers than tier 10

nimble zodiac May 18, 2019, 4:35 PM

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Probably cause you start low : P

charred bobcat May 18, 2019, 4:35 PM

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You obviously dont need to learn anything from low tiers anymore

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:36 PM

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I obviously don't need to learn anything at lower tiers, but the fun is lacking in tier 10

nimble zodiac May 18, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Is it because of bad players in high tiers?

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:37 PM

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It's because I have almost maxed out my level

clever void May 18, 2019, 4:37 PM

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Tier 9 is most fun

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:38 PM

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So I must play competitive and playing serious lacks fun

quick lichen May 18, 2019, 4:40 PM

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Have you tried the T49?

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Hardly serious and definitely fun

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:40 PM

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Yep. I have it on my other account. It's fun though
Stats are not a matter in it and has all parameters of a fun tank

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 4:58 PM

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This is like a grown man complaining that the rules and competition in a little league match are too boring.

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 4:59 PM

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I'm complaining about the thing that they were not boring and they made it boring
When you don't have something from the beginning, it's not a problem, but taking back something that people had, makes them unhappy

nimble zodiac May 18, 2019, 5:03 PM

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T49 A

summer mortar May 18, 2019, 5:53 PM

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The most you can have in a useless machine is the t 34 3

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Horrible tank, garbage everything, and unreliable turret. But an obj 252 U gun....its hilarious and satisfying to play

median gust May 18, 2019, 6:55 PM

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The gun is bad on 252U

obsidian laurel May 18, 2019, 9:38 PM

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@unique scaffold what he said @flat zephyr

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 9:40 PM

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@obsidian laurel what I said or what he said?

obsidian laurel May 18, 2019, 9:40 PM

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It’s like playing a game that has only 10 levels but the first 5 levels are stale as sh it, I wouldn’t hang around and wait to see how level 10 plays like if the first 5 progression levels suck, seal club era

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Is gone and that’s good but at the cost of what? They should have addressed that problem in another way I agree with you seal clubbing is harmful

flat zephyr May 18, 2019, 9:43 PM

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They should have rebalanced the one man army tanks at lower tiers not to nerf all so the whole lower tiers get rekt

quick lichen May 18, 2019, 9:50 PM

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@obsidian laurel using a space doesn’t mean it’s not a swear word

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 9:50 PM

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I don't see the big deal, nor do I care what happens in the lower tiers. I look at the lower tiers the same way I look at a play ground. I want it to be safe for the kids to play in but I have no interest in playing there myself.

glossy bobcat May 18, 2019, 9:52 PM

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What’s clubbing

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 9:53 PM

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When a good experienced player goes into lower tiers to feed on new players @glossy bobcat

glossy bobcat May 18, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Ty

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I guess I’m a clubbier sometimes

hot snow May 18, 2019, 10:10 PM

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Im guilty of going into the low tiers to play a game or two. Though with the fact i tend to play long enough to do most of my x2's every day i pick a random tank to play and play it till i win. now the low tier tanks i had cant even play because they went overboard. A slight nerf to the tanks that were used to seal club was warranted. enough to discourage the clubbing. But not nerfing them to crap. There is too big a difference between the tier 4 and the tier 5 tanks now. Like going from slogging through a river of molasses in one level and the next is suddenly flying a jet fighter. Glad WG isnt a gardener. you wouldnt have any plants after one visit.

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 10:21 PM

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The low tiers aren't meant for you. They are meant for a new player to get acclimated to the game. The new player will never know what the low tiers were like prior to 5.5. They also won't know the pain of going against the players with 15 thousand games in a A-20 or a Leopard.

hot snow May 18, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Still doesnt change the fact they could stand to take some tips from Thanos

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Never Forget.

📎 PicsArt_11-07-04.33.38.png

hot snow May 18, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Doesnt change the fact that a light tank has worse mobilty stats then the matilda.

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 10:24 PM

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So don't play it

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Look the tech tree is streamlined. There is absolutely no reason a experienced player should be playing much in the low tiers. Even if you are grinding a new line you should be able to move up to tier V in less than a 100 games.

I'm sorry that McDonald's changed their Play Place around and that adults can no longer comfortably play in it but you are just going to have to deal with it.
https://media.tenor.com/images/ae1587e12ce3ce24c83477dd7f7b4487/tenor.gif

plush trellis May 18, 2019, 10:32 PM

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I agree with Spartacus. My dad was new in the game and was suffering againts disgusting cruiser or Dw2 platoons. When I check their stats they all had around 600-10k+ thousands of battles in them. I'm glad they are nerf.

hot snow May 18, 2019, 10:33 PM

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The collector tanks will sit in my garage until they day they are returned to some semblence of normalcy.

plush trellis May 18, 2019, 10:33 PM

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Doubt they will. Its better to sell them for gold and buy yourself a good prem tank

obsidian laurel May 18, 2019, 10:34 PM

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@hot snow don’t be dumb that will never happen sell them and buy a decent tank

hot snow May 18, 2019, 10:35 PM

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Have all the prems i want anyway.

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well.. ones theyve put out on blitz at least

plush trellis May 18, 2019, 10:36 PM

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There will be newer ones you might want in the future. But if you want keep your collectives as little dumb memories and use them for fun in training rooms like me. Then go for it.

grave reef May 18, 2019, 10:40 PM

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Guys

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There are cheaters on WOT blitz

summer mortar May 18, 2019, 10:45 PM

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I was arguing with some guy named "D4kest_Savage"

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He got mad at me

plush trellis May 18, 2019, 10:49 PM

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Lol "cheaters"

summer mortar May 18, 2019, 10:51 PM

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yeah people were shooting me thru building today

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 10:58 PM

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@summer mortar @grave reef. What does any of that have to do with #tank-balance-discussion ?

summer mortar May 18, 2019, 10:59 PM

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my bad

stark sinew May 18, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Vk 100 or t28 prot?

crystal spoke May 18, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Both are fairly balanced

stark sinew May 18, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Ikr. The prot has more dpm. Vk has more armor.

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 11:01 PM

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VK if armored correctly bounces off a lot of shots

summer mortar May 18, 2019, 11:01 PM

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hide the coupola and angle well

crystal spoke May 18, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Yeah not much to debate about I mean I dont have the vk but the nerf it had gotten was unnecessary

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 11:02 PM

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I have the VK and it is still uselful Not like tiers I to IV

summer mortar May 18, 2019, 11:02 PM

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@crystal spoke You had the vk didnt you? It had the highest winrate of any tier 8 tank ever apparently

crystal spoke May 18, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Nope

stark sinew May 18, 2019, 11:03 PM

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So vk?

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 11:03 PM

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Get the VK if you can

crystal spoke May 18, 2019, 11:03 PM

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Not even finished researching the prior one

stark sinew May 18, 2019, 11:04 PM

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I am close to the vk but not the prot.

summer mortar May 18, 2019, 11:04 PM

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The nerf was much needed, tier 9 TD's had trouble penning it. The armor profile was origionally identical to PC, but on pc 80% of the time you get matched up with tanks 2 tiers higher, and when a jagderoo was shooting you, there wasnt much balancing needed

crystal spoke May 18, 2019, 11:04 PM

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I have no interest in it

And I could easily deal with it in t7s

stark sinew May 18, 2019, 11:04 PM

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Ok thanks guys.

dim field May 18, 2019, 11:05 PM

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Vk wasn't that hard to pen.
Either go around and hit from the side, hit the lower plate, or hit the cupola.

summer mortar May 18, 2019, 11:05 PM

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Visible doubt

crystal spoke May 18, 2019, 11:05 PM

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Just dont head on it

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Or track it and go around and if you arnt fast enough load pramo

summer mortar May 18, 2019, 11:06 PM

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In all honesty everything is ez to pen, but when you can sit out in the open and just play maus at tier 8, there is obviosly a problem

dim field May 18, 2019, 11:06 PM

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If you're fighting a hulldown super heavy frontally, you're doing it wrong.

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The vk could do that beacuse so many people let them do that. The problem was players refusing to learn

crystal spoke May 18, 2019, 11:07 PM

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^

summer mortar May 18, 2019, 11:07 PM

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According to this guy, going out into the open, to get into the enimes line of fire was what it took to kill the VK 100 origionally

dim field May 18, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Where did they say that?

summer mortar May 18, 2019, 11:09 PM

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you didnt I interpretted it that way though. When the VK is on top of the windmill hill on Abbey, or whatever the maps called, how the hell are you supposed to "get around the side" without getting yeeted into oblivion?

dim field May 18, 2019, 11:10 PM

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There was no interpretation needed. If we are refering to the same person they said could deal with it in a tier 7

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 11:11 PM

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@stark sinew #vehicles-discussion

dim field May 18, 2019, 11:11 PM

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I'm guessing the map you are refering to is the summer town that starts with an A and has a town in the center?Not castilla but the other one

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 11:12 PM

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Guys this is #tank-balance-discussion

Let's get on topic please.

summer mortar May 18, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Anyone can deal with a lone tier 8 heavy, it dosent take much skill. What I'm saying is, that the amount of time it took to get around the side of the vk (EG, killing enemy TDs, getting lucky with one which yoloed, etc was way to hard to do. @unique scaffold Hes not off-topic, we are talking about how broken the origionaly VK 100 was

crystal spoke May 18, 2019, 11:13 PM

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We were discussing if the vk100 was balanced prenerf

summer mortar May 18, 2019, 11:14 PM

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@dim field Yeah I was talking about castilla, not the newer map

dim field May 18, 2019, 11:15 PM

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One of these things will usually work against a vk even pre-nerf

Aim for the lower plate or cupola
Become friends with a TD
3)Play as a td in future matches if it's too big of a problem
Go around it
Side hug it.
Talk to a teammate and double team it
Attack from a different elevation
Avoid the Vk for the time being and focus other targets.

crystal spoke May 18, 2019, 11:16 PM

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Ohh ok that's the map you ment I would just go town and hit it from the side

summer mortar May 18, 2019, 11:16 PM

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You say these things like random battle teammates listen to each other

dim field May 18, 2019, 11:17 PM

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If a Vk is on hill by the windmill, you can go to the upper town and fire from their or one of the side mountains. If you have teammates remember a vk cannot always just worry about you. Avoid it if you have too much trouble and focus other enemy tanks and then come back to it.

crystal spoke May 18, 2019, 11:17 PM

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That works too

dim field May 18, 2019, 11:19 PM

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Teammates dont always listen, but remember it goes both ways and you can manipulate your own teammates if you need to. You can use them as bait, or pull the vk towards them. For your Castilla example, kill the enemy tanks avoid the vk since they are sitting in one spot. You can save them for last and pluck away or just cap the base, the vk will either move or lose.

unique scaffold May 18, 2019, 11:23 PM

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I didn't think it was OP before the nerf

summer mortar May 18, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Im not a unicum, so I didnt play likie one

dim field May 18, 2019, 11:30 PM

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I'm not a unicum either, maybe eventually. Pick up stuff and learn as you go, watch videos, try some stuff out on your own, chat with people. Maybe we'll both get there one day

twilit crystal May 19, 2019, 12:06 AM

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the vk is literally now an inferior 252u in everyway but alpha dmg

crystal spoke May 19, 2019, 12:11 AM

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Ya know I never thought of that

obsidian laurel May 19, 2019, 12:27 AM

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Has anyone experienced crappy Wg servers today? Last match nobody could shoot and move turret and it was a ram fest

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People in both teams said something along the lines of “again I can’t move my turret guess i have to ram” which leads me to suggest it’s been a frequent finding today

iron lynx May 19, 2019, 12:47 AM

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NA servers went down a while ago

lost island May 19, 2019, 12:55 AM

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Luchs turns slower than grille rn. Needs to be buffed

grave reef May 19, 2019, 1:12 AM

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@unique scaffold it was to warn you and the community

grave bear May 19, 2019, 1:40 AM

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fun fact: vk100 never was unbalanced and op. it needed just a slightly traverse nerf (to make it even slower (anyway slowest tier 8 tank)and min accuracy nerf. it always had an huge cupola of 200mm, penetrable ezly by any accurate tier 8 heavy tank, and a super weak lower plate of 120mm(now even weaker, 100mm, my t43 can pen that with ap without many problems) people complaining because werent able to pen vk100 frontally everywhere like they do against any german tank, and had to aim weakspots? it's a 20km tank guys, open your eyes.
IS3 & co dont even have weakspots, with x2 times the speed, but no one is complaining. people comparing vk100 to kv4 are just .... noobs? kv4 has 35km and better overall moblity by an huge amount, why would it be compared with vk100??

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Dude 200 mm cupola isn't weakspots for many t 8 tanks

grave bear May 19, 2019, 1:42 AM

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@unique scaffold i said Tier 8 heavies. plus, every tier 8 tank except t49 can pen that cupola at least with gold, plus it's super big and was not even supposed to be here .
is3 defender has same vk100 gun depression, unpenetrable turret, no weakspots and x2 its top speed. gg

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 1:43 AM

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And what are you supposed to do in another slow heavy tanks when you met vk p in hulldown? Run away and hope that you will meet someone else? And is 3 frontal armor is weak spot for almost all t 7-9 tanks

grave bear May 19, 2019, 1:43 AM

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@unique scaffold IS3 frontally is way harder hit than vk100, is3 has 200mm everywhere frontally, vk100 had 140 effective lower plate
try to pen is3defender in hulldown

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 1:44 AM

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"accurate t8" tell this to is3 or most of Russian 122 guns

grave bear May 19, 2019, 1:44 AM

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@unique scaffold if you play only soviet heavies is not my fault, plus it's the biggest cupola of tier 8 tanks.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 1:44 AM

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What? Don't have even slight problem in penning is3 armor from front . I don't play soviet heavys , your point is just dumm

grave bear May 19, 2019, 1:45 AM

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@unique scaffold are you reading or not? i said HULLDOWN as you did.
is3defender in hulldown is penetrable only if you're Su101/su100m1 /ISU-152 using prammo.
while vk100 now is penetrable by any tier 8 tank and most tier 7 tanks with at least pramo. but has 0.5 the speed
what a balance

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 1:46 AM

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It's not frontal armor ,but turret armor omg

grave bear May 19, 2019, 1:46 AM

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@unique scaffold it's frontal armor, frontal turret, obviusly speaking about turret if i said HULLDOWN
otherwise i would've said frontal hull.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 1:47 AM

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No, no it's not , tell what do you mean cuz I'm not going to guess , and is 3 don't got to many chance of going hulldown when it's low profile tanks with 5 degrees of depression

grave bear May 19, 2019, 1:48 AM

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anyway, vk100's hull is godlike as it's supposed to be only in sidescrape. it had one of the weakest lower plates of all tier 8 heavies, even at best angle.
@unique scaffold Again, read again.
i NEVER said is3
i said IS3 DEFENDER in hulldown. it has 8 degrees.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Give me a sec I'm going to check it

lost island May 19, 2019, 1:56 AM

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A T49 ammo racked my Vk 100 from across rockfield on the side

grave bear May 19, 2019, 1:56 AM

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A t49 is able to pen my lower plate frontally with ap
i need to angle and to care of t49s penning my slowest superheavy tier 8 20km tank frontally lmao?

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 1:56 AM

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A that's the biggest point ,without even starting with t8 chieftain ,cavernon ,Chinese heavy tanks

grave bear May 19, 2019, 1:57 AM

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obj252u has also better upper plate and turrer, with 1/6 size cupolas Obj252U is known to have weak lower plate, still better by far than vk100. l

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 1:58 AM

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And got moon sized lower plate while having cupolas that can get penned by anyone without having to spam gold

grave bear May 19, 2019, 1:58 AM

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many tier 8 heavies have usually 190+ lower plate.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 1:59 AM

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Well no , I just told you that after checking it on blitz hangar

twilit crystal May 19, 2019, 1:59 AM

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the cupolas are tiny in the 252u. vk 100 is just a buffed chieftan

grave bear May 19, 2019, 1:59 AM

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@unique scaffold lmao please go away

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Tiger II literally has 185mm lower plate without even angling, ALL IS tanks tier 8 except Is2sh have 190+ also

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:00 AM

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Then why do I have to play chief like med lol @twilit crystal oh fine ,then but still not close to it

twilit crystal May 19, 2019, 2:00 AM

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im saying the cupola

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:01 AM

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also t54 mod 1 has better lowrr plate than vk100.

twilit crystal May 19, 2019, 2:01 AM

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^ this is absurd. People said they couldnt pen a super heavy. I agree the vk100p had some other problems like the traverse being really good and the accuracy but that was about it

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:02 AM

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now vk100 has trash accuracy, horrible lower plate, no mobility except traverse which is average and horrible turret. gg.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:02 AM

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@grave bear vk 100 p lower plate is poorly angled which is normal for tanks that toll (e100) , that's also how they got balanced , toger 2 got well angled and small lower plate , but don't have upper plate nor good turret , then comparing them isn't good idea . I'm sorry it's late and I'm a bit exhausted

lost island May 19, 2019, 2:02 AM

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This is better than a movie

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:03 AM

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@unique scaffold what you just said, cant understand a word.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:08 AM

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@grave bear I think you should be able to understand now

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:09 AM

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comparing them has sense since it has literally HALF the speed, for having even bigger and weaker weakspots.
the problem isnt the poorly angling. it's just 100mm thick. it was already weak enough, 120mm before the nerf, was stll weak but balanced. now is too weak, if you add also all the other nerfs it got.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:10 AM

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@grave bear you are ignoring upper plate turret armor gun side armor etc

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:11 AM

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@unique scaffold if you know how to aim, huge lp and cupola are enough.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:11 AM

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It's like telling that troll gun was the best gun on m48 cuz it had best dpm

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Obvously im not saying tiger II has better armor than vk100. but vk100 should have a bit better frontal armor, Just like it was before the nerf, because it's BY HUGE FAR the slowest tier 8 tank.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Knowing how to aim doesn't mean that rng and gun statistics will let you hit

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:13 AM

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with vk100 you can bouncs only useless russian heavies newbies, you cant rely more in nothing, just sidescrape from the side without cupola.

lost island May 19, 2019, 2:13 AM

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I feel dumb asking, but whats rng?

dim field May 19, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Random numbers generator.
Basically luck

lost island May 19, 2019, 2:14 AM

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Ok

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:14 AM

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if vk100 cant get in positions where it's totally unpenetrable at least against mediums and heavies standard ammos, WHAT'S the point of having an HALF the speed of any tier 8 heavy?

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:17 AM

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@grave bear it is supposed to side scrap with that side armor , and it isn't slowest at 15 t28 got same speed and it weighs 120 tons while e 100 Weight is 129 tons , do you think vk should move around 60 km per h and ram everyone

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:18 AM

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@unique scaffold vk100 is slower than at15 and T28.
dont put in my mouth words i never said.
i NEVER said make vk100 faster. i said its weakspots were already enough weak and huge. gun accuracy nerf was enough.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:18 AM

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Check the facts , it isn't , that's exactly why I do check what I am talking about , and you said that vk is slowest t8

indigo knot May 19, 2019, 2:19 AM

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Vk100.01p only needed traverse nerf and a gun dispersion nerf.....

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:19 AM

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Plus ram damage is not only counted by tons. vk100 rams way less than e100.
and with 20km you cant ram litrally nothing
plus read what i say. i said it can only do sidescrape with the side without big cupola. anything esle is powercreeped by IS tanks.

indigo knot May 19, 2019, 2:20 AM

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The ones with the Russian tanks couldn't aim at weak spot and complained about it being OP

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:20 AM

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@grave bear I told you how much both tanks exactly weight , why are you trying to act like facts don't exist

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:21 AM

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@unique scaffold I told you Weight is totally useless if you speak about ram damage, developers can put any amount they want of ram damage as they did with vk100, which does way less than e100, plus with 20km any tank can go away from you even in backward.

indigo knot May 19, 2019, 2:22 AM

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In general WG and many players can't see any other tank other than Russian tanks doing well in battles so nerf them .....as in wz120ft rules tier 8....add 252u

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:23 AM

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@grave bear well nope , it is pretty crucial , frontall armor speed and weight are 3 important things about raming ,dont believe me ? Get rammed by jgpz e100

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:23 AM

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the fact that is triggering me is that people want vk100 to be balanced when there are some totally unpenetrable 35+km tanks going around.
@unique scaffoldlmao do you know english?

indigo knot May 19, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Vk100p can't ram coz of top speed ....only fools who don't know how to drive get rammed to death

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:23 AM

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usually more weight means better ram damage, but isnt like that always.
cause developers can put any amount they want of ram damage to balance the tank, #4425th time i write that again. gg @unique scaffold

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i think i know a bit more about this game compared to you, dont i?

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:25 AM

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@grave bear it's almost 5 am in place where I do live , I got back from work where i had to be for 10 h , then myb get show me some facts and stop throwing ideas at me

indigo knot May 19, 2019, 2:25 AM

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50b and e50m are good rammers due to mobility
Armour in contact when ramming and speed and weight all come in consideration

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:26 AM

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not for put stats here and shaming ppl, but i have 6k wn8 and 75wr with tier 7 avg and 2250 avg dmg, i know what i am talking about

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:26 AM

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@grave bear well you have just to!d that weight doesn't matter when ramming , and you had to change whay you have said cuz I told you that you are wrong , they I think you don't know more than me

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:27 AM

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I never changed the way i said it, i literally copy pasted the messae ROTFL

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do you think ramming amx 50b's side with another frontal amx 50b does same damage because they have same weight, Mr. super smart dude @unique scaffold?

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:29 AM

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Dude stop spamming or get it into one block of words, I have to check the facts, and you don't , then don't make it harder for me than it has to be

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:29 AM

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Vk100 without counting its super slow speed, totally useless and able to ram only tracked tanks, has way less ram damage than e100, even if the weight is the same.

and we're at 5592015th time i tell you that, 👌 🤝 👏 👏 👏

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@unique scaffold is not my fault if you have 20 battles and need to check everything, just understand and accept what better players tells to you.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:31 AM

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And I was joking about vk 100 p going 70 km per h and ramming everyone , and dude I though we are trying to talk like civilized players , then don't try to insult me cuz it's just sad

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:31 AM

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well yes, if you never noticed that ramming the side or rear of a tank deals more damage than ramming its front, means that you have 20 battles.
mhh never insulted you, im sure about that.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:32 AM

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Okay I'm done with it , believe in whatever you wish and spam even more cuz I'm not going to deal with this thing

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:32 AM

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lol idc, i dont need to understand things, you should say thx to me trying to explain stuff.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:33 AM

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It's just to dull , and pointless for me , you may act like you win , I just don't care tbh

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:33 AM

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win? was that a battle? i was just writeing how the game mechanics works.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:34 AM

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Well you wasn't , you was talking all the time how stupid it is that weakspots are actually weak in compare to rest of tanks

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:35 AM

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i was speaking about how stupid is that a 20km tank having bigger and weaker weakspots than 40km tanks(that sometime have NO weakspots) got nerfed and now has even weaker ones.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:35 AM

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No you wasn't , and every argue is small usually even interesting battle that makes us all better

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:36 AM

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lmao, i wasnt? what the hell? you cant even understand what i write or what?

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:36 AM

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Okay let me show it to you in is3 , is 3 frontall armor is useless , and also is 3 don't Weight 120 tons , I think you should get my points right now

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:37 AM

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it's stupid to nerf an already weak and huge cupola of a tank, when there is another with x2 speed, stronger turret and totally no weakspots.

twilit crystal May 19, 2019, 2:38 AM

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I dont get why people complain they cant pen a vk 100 when you cant pen an is3 from the front using a tier 7 med

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:38 AM

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@unique scaffold IS3 frontal armor is "useless" as it should be, since has HALF speed of vk100, but fun fact, every tank with less than 195mm needs gold to pen is3 frontally, while for vk100 you need 170 pen.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:38 AM

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@twilit crystal I'm pretty sure that t43 can do it on gold

twilit crystal May 19, 2019, 2:38 AM

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so? you can pen a vk 100 with gold too even the old one

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:39 AM

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@unique scaffold t43 can pen vk100 frontally with ap now. howbalanced

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:42 AM

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@grave bear I did play t34-1 long time ago but it can pen it from front , vk 100 p Weight is still 120 tons , and that's the way how does weakspots work sunshine

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:42 AM

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vk100 has just 165mm lower plate excluding the perfect angling where you have 172mm lp and 165mm weakpoint behind tracks, but it's super easy to just do 1 meter forward and see that lower plate angled at 150mm.
i dont get the point why would i care of his 120 tons
@unique scaffoldyeah "long" ago vk100 had 120mm lower plate instead of 100mm, so that at least tier 7 meds needed to load gold for lower plate.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:43 AM

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XD

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Let's put 170 mm lower plate and 300 mm cupola so you could defend it and say it isn't op

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:47 AM

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i said before the nerf its armor was okay, needed traverse and min accuracy nerf only
stop being salty and saying useless things that i never ever Even tried to think

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:48 AM

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I think if even wg that struggles with balancing tanks got to know that vk p is too good then you should too ,you like that tank ,fine , I'm sure you had lots of good games in it , but it's like me crying here for 1 h and repeating myself that Ferdinand the one and only god like t 8 should have 500 mm of frontal armor cuz I have to hull down and think when I play it

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:48 AM

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another useless thing above here ↑↑

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Wargaming please, Caernarvon and Conqueror needs an armor buff! I cant do sidescreaping!

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@unique scaffold exactly

lost island May 19, 2019, 2:49 AM

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@grave bear Vk can pen IS 3 easier because its taller and can aim down on angled frontal

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:49 AM

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@unique scaffold i think you totally lost all your arguments, never said give to vk100 5000mm. i said 20mm. and it was already weak.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:49 AM

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Is good to sell it for the KV4?@unique scaffold

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@grave bear you don't know what sarcasm is ?

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:50 AM

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@lost island is3's hull armor is paper for any tier 8 heavy tank with 220+ pen anyway, but is3's strongess its his amazing turret and mobility, plus super trollish side.
Caernarvon and Conqueror are very good tanks. they have both amazing laser guns, amazing traverse and average + mobility, with plus super trollish turrets and op gun depression, they're not meant for sidescrape, caernarvon hull sometime can do some bounces at tier 8.

lost island May 19, 2019, 2:50 AM

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yes, true

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:50 AM

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Ferdi? @unique scaffold I doubt you would like it , its child that I never had , and I doubt that anyone else could even like it

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@unique scaffold i want the KV4 and the FV215b, and it can my first tier x tank

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Ferdinand needs a buff, it's a nerfed jpanther II in every aspect.

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the slightly better frontal hull armor you get compared to jp2 is useless if you count that jp2 has way better mobility and Camo rate, way better superstructure armor and slightly better gun overall.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:53 AM

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@grave bear no it's like comparing rhm and at 15 , these tanks got their roles in battle and we shouldn't compare each to other

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:54 AM

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@unique scaffold LMAO rhm and at15 are totally different tanks, ferdi is just powercreeped by jp2 in every aspect since they have same alpha damage but jp2 had better gun and every other thing else better.
please stop saying pointless stuff now

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:55 AM

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@grave bear Matilda has more side armor than Caernarvon and Conqueror, and now my Conqueror can’t pen even a med tank, an E75 is It's just a tomato, I can not penetrate almost anywhere, just the bottom part

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:55 AM

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Ferdi has no role in battle because is useless, anything that ferdi can do, JP2 can also, but 2k times better.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:56 AM

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Idc tbh

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:56 AM

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@unique scaffold lol your conqueror needs the top gun and turret, plus engine.
they're not tanks meant to have hull armor.
fv215b also has trash hull and cant sidescrape, you need to use hulldown and your op dpm.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:57 AM

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As I told I am propably only person that even like that tank @grave bear and I think @unique scaffold was sarcastic

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:57 AM

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@unique scaffold i dont think everyone is sarcastic

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:57 AM

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@grave bear I have the top gun and it’s in 100% tripulation with aevery armor upgrade

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I think is 4 is more player friendly than fv215b

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:58 AM

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@unique scaffold so how can u cant pen med tanks with the best heavy tank gun tier IX-X ? it has the best accuracy, best shell speed, best dpm and best gun depression

quick lichen May 19, 2019, 2:59 AM

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When’s the wedding @grave bear @unique scaffold ?

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:59 AM

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@grave bear m8 he is comparing T4 tank to t 9 XDDDD

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@grave bear IDK, i always use AP, is that?

grave bear May 19, 2019, 2:59 AM

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oh he was saying he cant pen tier 9 med tanks with his matilda so

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 2:59 AM

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@quick lichen I hope soon cuz I'm starting to feel something to this mad lad

grave bear May 19, 2019, 3:00 AM

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because it's impossible u cant pen med tanks with conqueror's top gun, there is literally no better heavy tank gun at tier 9.

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 3:04 AM

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@grave bear Do you have Conqueror?

eager pelican May 19, 2019, 3:45 AM

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Buff m41 Walker Bulldog stock gun damage

humble spear May 19, 2019, 3:45 AM

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lmao no, it has the best tier 7 LT dpm

eager pelican May 19, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Still doodoo

iron lynx May 19, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Dude
The gun fires almost as fast as an autoloader
But without a clip

eager pelican May 19, 2019, 3:50 AM

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5.9 reload at 75% mastery

shrewd kiln May 19, 2019, 3:51 AM

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He is talking about the stock gun, yeet.

eager pelican May 19, 2019, 3:51 AM

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160 damage doodoo

shrewd kiln May 19, 2019, 3:53 AM

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Well.... That's the same for the topgun.

iron lynx May 19, 2019, 3:54 AM

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Oh
You're gonna get the better guns quite fast, no point buffing the stock gun

eager pelican May 19, 2019, 3:55 AM

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i get 100 exp per game it is that sh it

shrewd kiln May 19, 2019, 3:56 AM

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Oof.

iron lynx May 19, 2019, 3:56 AM

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And it isn't that bad compared to some other stock guns
Cough ST-1 cough Leopard PTA cough

eager pelican May 19, 2019, 3:57 AM

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it costs 30k exp to get the top gun

iron lynx May 19, 2019, 3:59 AM

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30k is actually considered cheap, some top guns is more than double that.

eager pelican May 19, 2019, 4:01 AM

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For tier 7?

iron lynx May 19, 2019, 4:03 AM

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And you don't need to get the top gun right away, the second gun gets the reload down to around 4 secs

eager pelican May 19, 2019, 4:07 AM

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2nd gun is 3 clip

hearty steeple May 19, 2019, 4:08 AM

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No lol. Its second gun is single shot

iron lynx May 19, 2019, 4:09 AM

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It has four guns.
The second gun is a single-shot.
I don't recommend the clip gun because it weighs it down.

hearty steeple May 19, 2019, 4:14 AM

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The stock gun is fine. It's not supposed to be great, just something to get you to your next gun. Even at 75% crew bulldog is relatively mobile. Just learn to use that. I got the second gun relatively quickly and it was an easy grind from there on.

iron lynx May 19, 2019, 4:14 AM

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The clip gun actually cuts 3.5 degrees of traverse, compared to the top single-shot gun lol.

summer mortar May 19, 2019, 6:03 AM

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People who complain about prem ammo are usually pretty bad....or they are mocking you....

whole nebula May 19, 2019, 6:51 AM

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Where or who do we say that the a20 doesn’t need nerfing lol the potential to hit from 20-200 is part of the fun

grave bear May 19, 2019, 8:36 AM

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@unique scaffold i obviusly have it and i love it
at tier 9 the highest heavy tank pen in ap is 258, and conq is plus the most accurate and the one with best dpm. i really dont know how can u say it:s a bad gun, probably you never played other tier 9 tanks.

thick rover May 19, 2019, 8:50 AM

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It's not a bad gun but he may think it's insufficient to make up for it's shortcomings - Lack of significantly good dpm, bad turret, bad armour etc

grave bear May 19, 2019, 8:52 AM

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@thick rover conq gun has no cons literally. he said he have problems penning med tanks...

thick rover May 19, 2019, 10:11 AM

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Exactly he wants the gun to be better to mitigate the occasional non penetration to compensate for the drawbacks, even though it's good yep

olive vault May 19, 2019, 10:49 AM

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can u put obj.430u back in

meager spruce May 19, 2019, 10:55 AM

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1st) Wdym back in?
2nd) no, I do not want a broken tank in the game

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Will there ever be Chinese lights (I mean tier 6-8 and possibly tier 10 lights)

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@thick rover Yeah, it's not a bad gun, but the tank it self has everything bad, specially the armor. and i said i cant pen some meds, because i always use AP and HE, and i had the equipment to reduce the recharge time, and not the one for more penetration, so... i tried to put the equipment in penetration and use APCR, and well, now it's good, and one of my friends tried my Conqueror and he realized that the penetration had something weird, he couldn't pen a Jagdtiger, and he has FV215b

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Well, i'll try to get IS4

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I hate when a FV183 hits me in the front and does to me 1300 of damage, or a JgpzE100

thick rover May 19, 2019, 1:42 PM

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Good choice xd

grave bear May 19, 2019, 1:45 PM

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258 pen is enough to pen any existing med in any tier.... @unique scaffold

shrewd kiln May 19, 2019, 1:57 PM

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It is.

west aspen May 19, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Wowowoo what is this Devs?
In other games CANCEL Button is Green
In Blitz the Quit button is Green🙀

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 4:20 PM

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😲 wrong chat maybe

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 4:39 PM

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i want my T49 ATM back

crystal spoke May 19, 2019, 4:46 PM

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what does that have to do with #tank-balance-discussion ?

tidal inlet May 19, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Lekpz b

stoic light May 19, 2019, 5:50 PM

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What about it?

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 8:04 PM

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<@&481447501690568709> ^

jade cargoBOT May 19, 2019, 8:06 PM

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dynoSuccess _Dr4gOz_iS_YouR_R1PpeR_#2462 was muted

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 8:07 PM

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KannaKun

brisk lily May 19, 2019, 8:12 PM

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:/

humble olive May 19, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Pls buff t49

unique scaffold May 19, 2019, 9:04 PM

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@wispy tiger why is that picture of you in #tank-balance-discussion ?

wispy tiger May 19, 2019, 9:05 PM

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Because

jade cargoBOT May 19, 2019, 9:23 PM

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dynoSuccess Kael#1380 was muted

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dynoSuccess A_Potato#4566 was muted

brisk lily May 19, 2019, 10:10 PM

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F

summer mortar May 19, 2019, 10:11 PM

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lmao what just happened in this chat? Just scroll down to #general-blitz-discussion if you wanna talk about non-balance related things

teal olive May 19, 2019, 10:39 PM

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Buff the jagdpanzer e100.

drowsy plaza May 19, 2019, 11:43 PM

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Obj 252U probably needs a nerf. 🤫

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 12:34 AM

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252 overpriced and i just see nubs play it easy to take out with RU , armor vs mobility

drowsy plaza May 20, 2019, 12:35 AM

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Do you have an 81% WR in the Ru? I don’t.

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 12:38 AM

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i have 70% tho ;)

drowsy plaza May 20, 2019, 12:39 AM

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I have an 81% WR in the 252...

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 12:39 AM

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I applaud you for my water bill on a tank lol

teal olive May 20, 2019, 12:39 AM

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What?

drowsy plaza May 20, 2019, 12:40 AM

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I’m on a well - no water bill ;).

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 12:40 AM

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Lol

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F

twilit crystal May 20, 2019, 12:44 AM

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can anyone explain how the vk 100 was op but not the 252u?

crystal spoke May 20, 2019, 12:45 AM

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I cant

teal olive May 20, 2019, 12:59 AM

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Nobody can. It’s how premiums work. As soon as there’s a tech tree tank that is a threat to people’s premiums they scream and cryyyyyy OP until it’s nerfed to the ground. It’s how it’s always been. The VK 100.01 P was better than most mediocre tech tree tanks and now it’s horrible... the same will happen to future lines.

quick lichen May 20, 2019, 1:03 AM

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The 252u doesn’t feel “op” because it’s just a little better than the already op is style category of blitz

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The VK 100.01 P was more obvious because it broke the “mold” of is spam

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It was a unique Goliath compared to the cookie cutter low fast and angled Soviet/Chinese options

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You could also angle it way more effectively than you could ever angle a pike nose is tank

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(Is-3, is-3D, is-5, obj 252u, wz 110, wz 111)

gloomy dragon May 20, 2019, 1:13 AM

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also, people who bought it have a vested interest in making sure they dont lose their investment

drowsy plaza May 20, 2019, 2:41 AM

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IMHO the Vk 100.01(P) never should have been nerfed. Was it a good tank - yeah in the right hands. But it was still a fairly easy kill. I Clubbed a lot of them in my IS-6 with DPM gun before their nerf. My Pz58 stats are higher 76% WR vice 73% and I don’t see anyone screaming that the Pz58 is OPAF

deft owl May 20, 2019, 2:49 AM

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@twilit crystal Balance only exist when russians are better then germans comrade.

twilit crystal May 20, 2019, 2:50 AM

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The only real strength of the vk100 and the reason why it won so much is because it was perfect to counter IS tanks. their innacurate guns would miss while the vks tall height would rekt the armor of the IS tanks

deft owl May 20, 2019, 2:54 AM

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German tanks doing great=nerf immidiately
Russian tanks doing great=balanced

Vk100 was nowhere close to being op. Nerf made it total useless. Cuppola and lower plate can pennable so easily for a 20 kph tank.

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Wg nerfed it just by looking its winrate. Problem is they totally forget maus style tanks always have better winrates then the rest. Vk100 was balanced and nerf should be reverted.

twilit crystal May 20, 2019, 2:58 AM

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id argue it was a touch OP. but not game breakingly

brisk lily May 20, 2019, 3:00 AM

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252u isn't as broken as everyone(that doesn't have it) think it is
that lower plate is so big and weak that it's very easy to pen
also the slow traverse makes it easy to circle
and the inaccurate gun and long reload counters any real luck shots

quick lichen May 20, 2019, 3:00 AM

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It’s as bushka says, just a little bit better than all the other is tanks

spark star May 20, 2019, 3:04 AM

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by the way, if you want an overpowered tier 8, its the 120 GoldNoob Fake Tank
stupidly troll armor at the front, stupid mobility, stupid DPM with a stupidly good gun
its basically Mao's wet dream turned into a tank, tier 7s have at least a chance to pen the 252u on the front at the lower plate, this thing?

heh good luck on that

twilit crystal May 20, 2019, 3:07 AM

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the 120 is another tier of OP that cant be debated

quick lichen May 20, 2019, 3:07 AM

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That has nothing to do with the vk 100 discussion

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But ok

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Thanks for that

teal olive May 20, 2019, 3:07 AM

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Was a touch OP. Nothing broken like 252 or WZ 120 GFT though. And god forbid we have any tech tree tanks coming close to our premiums

deft owl May 20, 2019, 3:30 AM

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252u is only better then other is tanks only when it can hide its huge lower plate. When it cant its the worst since those amazing upper plate armor became totally useless.

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Which means obj 252u will be widely used in tournaments. Unlike is3 and is-5 its pike nose is extremely reliable.

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Vk100 shouldn't have had got armor nerf. Traverse speed and gun accuracy was enough I guess.
Also 252u isn't op and it cannot be compared to the VK at it's op times. The more you face a 252 the more you understand how to pen it easily but VK could only had one weak spot facing tier7 and that was that small lower plate.

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 4:47 AM

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Isu152 can pen the 252u's armor

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 4:48 AM

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It can't pen VK 100 either

urban sleet May 20, 2019, 4:52 AM

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buff wz 121

quiet forum May 20, 2019, 5:56 AM

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I need gold please

gloomy dragon May 20, 2019, 6:09 AM

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@fringe jolt that's the support staff's job. Not devs. Plus, i doubt that any staff would publicize their methods in the first place since handlings of these matters is more often behind closed doors. Best you can do is to respond to the support ticket or open a new one, probably.

cosmic hearth May 20, 2019, 6:21 AM

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cosmic hearth May 20, 2019, 6:44 AM

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any devs able to help me with this, been trying to send a ticket via the official website about losing second authenticator factor for a month now, tried on multiple devices and this message always pops up.

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i am unable to access the website, only the world of tanks blitz app because of this, please 😭

cosmic hearth May 20, 2019, 7:23 AM

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@lusty silo @unique scaffold

fiery flame May 20, 2019, 10:08 AM

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@cosmic hearth wrong channel. To solve this you’re best bet would be to create a new account and send a ticket to support explaining you’re situation.

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Don’t pester the people on discord, it’s not their job to deal with issues like this.

humble spear May 20, 2019, 12:11 PM

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@unique scaffold Have you read the EULA yet

warm meadow May 20, 2019, 12:12 PM

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gets deleted

drowsy plaza May 20, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Lol you think.

safe canopy May 20, 2019, 12:17 PM

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@unique scaffold i could pm you for the nick, and be a holy sausage and contact support with this tbh

cobalt crane May 20, 2019, 12:21 PM

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@unique scaffold they track ur ip ez

iron hearth May 20, 2019, 12:23 PM

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use a vpn ez 😎

meager spruce May 20, 2019, 12:23 PM

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@safe canopy you are a smart boy. Who is a good boy? You are a good boy.

deft owl May 20, 2019, 12:23 PM

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Bruh guys. Wg wont take action unless its proven. Any idiot on this server can say Im selling my account. Wg cant ban them just because they say so.

iron hearth May 20, 2019, 12:24 PM

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i wouldnt a buy an account with only 2 tier x btw 😂

jade cargoBOT May 20, 2019, 12:26 PM

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dynoSuccess _BOT_1950_#0255 was banned

humble spear May 20, 2019, 12:26 PM

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lol

empty ice May 20, 2019, 12:26 PM

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Oof

worthy basin May 20, 2019, 12:26 PM

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🤷‍♀️

meager spruce May 20, 2019, 12:27 PM

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Well that escalated quickly

empty ice May 20, 2019, 12:27 PM

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Why do people keep on using the male and female symbol emojis?

worthy basin May 20, 2019, 12:28 PM

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@cosmic hearth maybe try pm'ing one of the staff members here might help. My advice is RibbleStripe. He's awesome

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Staff is very busy though, so it can take a while before you hear back

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@empty ice discord does it automatically

meager spruce May 20, 2019, 12:28 PM

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femalea are we making up words now @empty ice

worthy basin May 20, 2019, 12:28 PM

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I just use the emoji itself and discord pastes the gender symbol with it as I post it

warm meadow May 20, 2019, 12:39 PM

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kv2 is perfectly balanced, change my mind

spring pelican May 20, 2019, 12:40 PM

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SMASHER slams the door

warm meadow May 20, 2019, 12:45 PM

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Convincing argument

compact lily May 20, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Is there anyone here who can explain why I am on the receiving end of the worst rng?

warm meadow May 20, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Bad luck

compact lily May 20, 2019, 12:50 PM

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25 games straight my teams have done 1k comined in each game (even in tier 9)

warm meadow May 20, 2019, 12:50 PM

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Try playing the kv2

compact lily May 20, 2019, 12:51 PM

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I did as well as tier 8 premium heavies

meager spruce May 20, 2019, 12:51 PM

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Try sealclubbing

compact lily May 20, 2019, 12:52 PM

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I played the a-20 4 times and never even got close

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This game is garbage there's no other way to put it

warm meadow May 20, 2019, 12:55 PM

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Shot gun in kv2

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 12:59 PM

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unpopular opinion: 183 is underpowered

why: There was so much hype and outrage about this "OP" tank, I finally got it not that long ago and was disappointed. Extremely poor gun handling, no armor at all, poor mobility and awful camo, nothing really OP about it all. Sure it's gun does big damage but as soon as you shoot it you are dead or you are so far you don't get spotted but can't hit anything.

warm meadow May 20, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Yeah its "OP" like the vk 100.1 (p)

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 1:03 PM

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To me the 183 feels like a very bad jgpze100, the jgpze100 can frontline with its armor and has like 200 less alpha on rounds than the 183.

teal olive May 20, 2019, 1:04 PM

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@unique scaffold of course it’s not OP, in fact it’s horrible. But it’s still a game breaking tank b3cause of that big pen GIANT alpha gun... the one tank, it’s strengths, and how people play it ruin games at tier ten and how they should be played. Instead of dynamic games you get morons camping in the back, firing one shot, 1 shooting a tank, and then dying in their own spawn.

deft owl May 20, 2019, 1:06 PM

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@unique scaffold Its not unpopular opinion. Check the devs answer section. 183 has the worst overall winrates by a large margin.

teal olive May 20, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Honestly the tank just needs to be completely removed.... I’d say the badger would replace it but why would the devs just give us a new tier ten when they can sell it in crates, right?

drowsy plaza May 20, 2019, 1:13 PM

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183 cannot be well balanced for Blitz due to the alpha and pen. Frankly I think most of us agree it would have been better never to add to Blitz.

crystal spoke May 20, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Honestly I'd rather them give it unreasonable stats then removing it for example make its stats closer to that of a tX 152mm gun then where it is now

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Well it should not be outright removed, I think its camo should be buffed and it taken out of the techtree and made a collectors tank like the lower tiered tanks that got removed, and make it worth like 4000-5000 gold.

quick lichen May 20, 2019, 1:20 PM

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I think that’s the best course of action

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The badger should take its place

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But the badger will be a crate to because lol $$$

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 1:45 PM

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I like how nobody talks about how broken SU 122 54

humble spear May 20, 2019, 1:48 PM

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because it isn't broken

quick lichen May 20, 2019, 1:49 PM

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The dpm is broken

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If one turns on you and yolos you 1v1 you feel quite helpless

humble spear May 20, 2019, 1:50 PM

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yeah true

twilit crystal May 20, 2019, 1:55 PM

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lol its fun.

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oh yeah lol the 183 is the worst tank in tier X and I cringe when I have 2 183s on my team.

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 2:08 PM

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It don't have armor , nor gun depression , su101 is better

teal olive May 20, 2019, 2:08 PM

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Honestly I think the Jag is pretty freakin bad, too. But jag drivers tend to be more helpful in battle than a couple 183s.

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Su 101 doesn't have any of that either 🤦 @unique scaffold

twilit crystal May 20, 2019, 2:18 PM

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su101 is garbage lol

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It has only like 350 more DPm than an IS tank of that tier. It cant play a td role at all. And the 122 54 has broken camo levels that is actually useful

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Well it does , it got good dpm , gun mantle is huge , it is fast , and it can sidescrap

twilit crystal May 20, 2019, 2:25 PM

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the dpm is garbage lol

teal olive May 20, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Best TD at tier nine? Opinions?

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 2:27 PM

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T30/WT

humble spear May 20, 2019, 2:27 PM

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704 intensifies

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 2:27 PM

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704 is bad in comparison to t30

teal olive May 20, 2019, 2:27 PM

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I think the 122 54 has risen above the competition a bit. But honestly there’s quite a few good ones such as T30, WT, 704, and the newer(ish) Chinese one.

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 2:28 PM

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Why do you ask if you just want to talk again about su122, just tell that it is broken or smth

teal olive May 20, 2019, 2:28 PM

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But stuff like the jag, T95, and Tortoise fall behind... all the big bulky slow guys. Just aren’t any good IMO

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I just wanna have a discussion, dude. I think the 122 54 is like an E25 with big alpha at tier nine but can get easily rekt if people aren’t careful.

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 2:30 PM

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Tbh I comparing e25 and su122 54 is accurate , but seems like blitz meta don't let this kind of tank to be fully broken

teal olive May 20, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Thats because it relies on sitting in front of targets for longer periods of time to burn them down instead of putting out big alpha shots with good DPM. The Su can kind of do that but its just too fragile and there’s too many big guns a the tier.

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To me, it feels insanely broken when it just waltzes up to me or a teammate and shreds them apart before it can be killed. So any half-competent player can usually focus one guy and remove all their HP before being rekt.

twilit crystal May 20, 2019, 2:38 PM

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lol. Its hillarious to just load up adrenaline for 20 seconds get 5k dpm and kill a tank in 4 shots or about 15 seconds

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 2:40 PM

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It's just Russian bias things ,just like ob268

twilit crystal May 20, 2019, 2:49 PM

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meanwhile jadtiger gets less dpm and less mobility to use it with not enough armor

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 2:51 PM

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And have you seen what they did to my boi t 95?

clever void May 20, 2019, 3:23 PM

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😃. I love when you discuss my babe. The su122-54 is god among tds. It takes a controlled manic to make this thing shine. It does give you many troll bounces especially when face hugging if you watch the enemy gun and put the mantle in its way with quick movements

rancid drift May 20, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Just got the st1 and it can’t pen anything at tier 10. Even the backs of tds. Someone started trash talking me in chat and even though I didn’t respond I still got chat banned for 3 days

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Because of that and bad teams I’ve lose 9 games in a row with it

humble spear May 20, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Only have 3 tier 9 tanks, guess which one's the ST-I that I had to play stock and sold after an odd 20 battles

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rancid drift May 20, 2019, 3:38 PM

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It just seems like one of those that is great in theory but in practice everyone can pen it, it can’t pen anyone. And it does half the damage others do with twice the reload

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I sold it. After losing another 3 games in which I couldn’t even stand a chance against tier 8s I knew it wasn’t worth suffering 60k xp just for a better gun. And the better engine doesn’t do anything

clever void May 20, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Um. The point is the IS-4

supple jolt May 20, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Thanks like these are why i have over 1000 free xp boosters saved

fiery flame May 20, 2019, 5:27 PM

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STI is one of the best, if not the best tier 9 heavies... wtf people

charred bobcat May 20, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Most tanks stock arent good lol, sti is a great tank

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Ye ye right until you start quickscoping that cupola

charred bobcat May 20, 2019, 5:32 PM

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If you think that sti's cupola is bad then you clearly havent seen all the other tier 9 heavies

nimble zodiac May 20, 2019, 6:07 PM

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E 75 intensifies

visual nimbus May 20, 2019, 6:19 PM

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M103

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Conq > ST1

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Is8>all tier 9s😐

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Literally all other tier 9 heavies > Conq

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Conq requires skill

twilit crystal May 20, 2019, 7:27 PM

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i dont see the point in the conq really. Garbage hull+pretty bad turret. Sure people rave about the gun but its only the handling thats good. The ROF isn't incredible

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 7:28 PM

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It's all about the gun

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 7:29 PM

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The gun is good, but it's not nearly good enough to compensate for how bad everything else is

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Don't play it as a heavy

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 7:33 PM

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The thing is, why would you play Conq when other tanks do the job so much better? 50 120 is a better support heavy because of the better mobility and autoloader, and M103 has about 90% of the Conq's gun performance with actual turret armor and gun depression.

The real nail in the coffin is the fact that all the meds have more DPM and accuracy, and more mobility, without sacrificing much armor

rancid drift May 20, 2019, 7:35 PM

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Idk, I feel like I consistently get the same damage as my IS series team mates with a longer reload and less pen. This makes playing alongside others who have more damage armor speed and a better reload difficult. And the huge turret with weak side armor makes me a big target from far away and I also am on the lower end of health

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Fully upgraded it can pull it’s weight in t8-9 games but can’t do anything useful in t9-10

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 7:36 PM

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For how bad the mobility and armor on the Conq are, the gun just isn't nearly good enough to compensate. Especially without good alpha, or an autoloader, accuracy alone cannot justify making it a good gun

rancid drift May 20, 2019, 7:36 PM

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I sold it after about 50 games with 4 kills total and about a 10% win rate. (Im still talking about my st1 btw)

cerulean tulip May 20, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Was it stock ?

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 7:56 PM

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@orchid grove first of all conq has the hesh, which 103 doesn't. It has the best DPM among tier 9 heavies and the best gun handling.
Also 103's turret is not well armored, it can do against tier 8 but easily penned with gold at tier 9 and 10.
And then, conq is a heavium as you would know and the armor and mobility aren't so bad like it's better than 103
Actually I would prefer conq over 103 in terms of everything

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 8:10 PM

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The HESH doesn't pen that many more things than a standard HE shell, and overall is still very much just a roll of the dice (and just failing one in 4 HESH shells means you were better off with AP)
While the DPM is better than the heavies, it's still weaker than TDs and meds, so it's merely average for the tier, being 15th out of a total of 31 different tier IXs.
M103 turret can be penned in the cheeks sure, but for pubbies, it's a difficult shot; and since the armor is based on the angling, not the thickness, loading gold actually does very little to change the armor profile. However, the Conq's turret can be penned literally anywhere, even the mantlet. Only the edges of the mantlet can bounce shots. Even the 50 B has a more trustworthy turret
If Conq fits your definition of a "heavium", you probably get motion sickness easily. While the p/w ratio is ok, the speed limit of 34 is horrific. There are literally 4 tanks with a lower speed limit in the tier; and they are the Tortoise, T95, VK 45, and Mauschen. The p/w ratio doesn't matter when the speed limit is so ridiculously low, that you can't rotate anyway. Admittedly the M103 has the same garbage mobility, but at least the M103 has the turret armor and gun depression to back it up (on top of getting HEAT ammo). If you want to talk "heavium", the only real contenders are the 50 120, and IS-8 which are still a good bit slower than the slowest med.

obsidian osprey May 20, 2019, 8:20 PM

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What would be the best way for WG to fix the conqueror? Mobility buff? Turret armor buff? DPM?

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 8:20 PM

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50-120 is more likely to be a lightium😂. Also a heavium is not necessarily called to a heavy tank that is fast. And comparing to 103, it's more mobile considering traverse speeds and it only lacks -1 gun depression
Also about the hesh thing, the gun handling is good enough that in good hands, you would never miss unless some RN jesus happen.
About the Dpm thing, it's the concept of a medium or TD to have more DPM than heavies. Else heavies would be all rounders and there would not be any balance.
Also m103 was one of the most painful grinds of tier9 to me and conq was one of the most joyful ones. You can check the average performance in both tanks that might help a bit.
And BTW, you can't pen the mantlet of conq. I lost count how many 183 ap shots it did bounce.

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Also conq has more dpm than t30 or wz111-1 gft

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 8:25 PM

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@obsidian osprey That's honestly a good question. I think Conq would be amazing if it got a turret armor buff like it did on PC, but I think that would make it OP unless they nerfed down the gun (but that would just make it an M103 clone). If you ask me, I think the most reasonable thing would be to make it better at the support heavy role, primarily by giving it a 40km/h speed limit to almost keep pace with the meds it's supposed to support.

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 8:27 PM

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And also not all meds have more dpm than conq
E.g. type61 and wz120
Some others have very slight dpm advantage (below 100 dpm) like t54e1 and 30 1er

obsidian osprey May 20, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Hmm yeah I like the idea of the mobility buff the most too. Didn’t they buff the Centurion and/or FV4202 top speed at some point with decent results?

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 8:31 PM

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They buffed fv4202's top speed many years ago

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 8:31 PM

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@flat zephyr The mobility on 103 and Conq are functionally identical. Me and a friend raced them across the road on black goldville; there wasn't any noticeable difference. And traverse is not really an advantage since neither have any traverse issues.

@obsidian osprey Yah, 4202 and Cent used to only 40km/h

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 8:32 PM

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103 lacks turret traverse speed bad

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 8:32 PM

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Also, the advantage of 8 degrees gun depression vs. 7 is pretty substantial. 8 is the bare minimum for a lot of hull down spots, so 7 functionally plays like 6 a lot of the time

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BTW, you know you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel when you need to argue turret traverse 😂
Turret traverse buffs are basically a meme 😂

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Then the nerf to is7's turret traverse was pointless and they should give it back😐

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 8:35 PM

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The IS-7 nerf didn't really do anything

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They only nerfed the spaced armor screen by 10mm; which doesn't affect anything. AP/APCR shells go straight through the old 15mm screens anyway, they just bounce off the super angled primary armor underneath (which is still there), and HEAT shells still get absorbed by the spacing

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 8:36 PM

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Not much but they butchered nerf after nerf

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 8:37 PM

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The spaced armor nerf is the only nerf I can remember them ever hitting the IS-7 with, and overall, it was pretty inconsequential

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 8:37 PM

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The hull and turret traverse speed nerf just butchered the mobility. I don't care armor nerf but the nerf to it's mobility killed the tank

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Then you must have been missing some nerfs

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You think is7s nerf had almost no effect then?😐

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Well, IS-7 was never really good at traverse anyway. As long as it has the straight line mobility, it's still good
I actually really like my IS-7. It's still a beast for aggressive play

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If I were to change anything about IS-7, I'd just buff up the turret cheeks to 390mm like they are on PC, so people can't HEAT pen them anymore

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 8:40 PM

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Believe me you are missing big part of is7's history in blitz. No one could circle that beast

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 8:41 PM

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@flat zephyr I remember always being able to circle IS-7's, and I've been here since the beginning, but I think I do remember them nerfing the traverse now; although I remember it being a very minor nerf to the traverse

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 8:42 PM

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It was major nerf to turret travers speed and not much minor to hull traverse speed

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Well, I found the notes for the traverse nerf; it was a nerf from 25 down to 23... which is honestly kind of negligible

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Back to topic, conq is one of the best heavies in it's tier in the game

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 8:46 PM

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@flat zephyr That's a tough case to make when tier 9 has some of the best heavies tier for tier. Conq can't really compete against the likes of 50 120, E-75, STI, and IS-8

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 8:46 PM

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50 120 is trash, also is8, but e75 and st1 would beat conq

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Oh no.

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 8:49 PM

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50 120 is amazing. Excellent mobility, and it's difficult to argue with 1200 clip potential. Also IS-8 gets overlooked a lot. The mobility is also excellent, the turret is reliable against pubbies, it gets 420 alpha, the 2nd best DPM of tier 9 heavies and nice HEAT shells, and on top of all this, the gun handling is actually better than Conq (albeit with worse aim time and dispersion). Other than weak gun depression, and a weak frontal hull, it's hard to knock the IS-8

nimble fern May 20, 2019, 8:50 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/544977885413376000輪たな/580068341507555335/わやはかわかーかまあやかわわやらなやimage0.jpgタワーわわやかわ

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 8:50 PM

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I am a fan of both 120 and is8, but it doesn't mean they are not trash

unique scaffold May 20, 2019, 8:50 PM

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@flat zephyr agree

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 8:52 PM

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If you were to ask me to rank the tier 9 heavies, it would go like this (best to worst): E-75, IS-8, AMX 50 120, STI, M103, WZ-111-14, Kpfz 70, Conq, Mauschen, VK 45 B

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 8:53 PM

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I would go with: e75- st1- conq-mauschen- vk45- wz111- kpfpz- 103- 50 120

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Oh god... how the heck did VK 45 make it so high up that list...

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Because it's good enough to be on top

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 8:57 PM

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That thing is a tragedy on tracks... Rear mounted turret, turret is vulnerable to gold, fairly weak sides, awful mobility, awful DPM, trash gun handling, the list goes on...

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Honestly, the only thing it has going for it is good alpha, and a decent upper plate

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 8:58 PM

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All of them single handedly are not the case the overall tank is the case.
For example take the m46 Patton. You can count hell a lot of downsides, still it's in the top3 tier9 mediums

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 9:04 PM

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M46 doesn't really have many actual downsides besides weak pen. Everything else is at least decent, but it has some standout strengths like gun depression, DPM, and gun handling. Nothing on it is really actually bad. But the VK 45 is actively bad. Like, it shines out in negative ways, like the 3rd worst DPM in tier IX, the 3rd lowest speed limit in the tier, the overall least accurate gun on a heavy, the rear mounted turret, the 2nd worst prammo pen on a heavy etc...; and the only strengths it actually has are not nearly amazing enough to compensate for how awful everything else is (kind of like Conq)

flat zephyr May 20, 2019, 9:09 PM

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M46 as lots of downsides. Paper armor, no pen at all, not the best aim and gund handeling, 2nd least top speed among mediums and it's a big tank.
Vk though it suffers mobility, the gun is quite the same as e75 but the aim on move, and it's much much better than st1. The armor is quite well and being rear mounted turret isn't a weakspot. It has ups and downs it cant be called a weakspot

orchid grove May 20, 2019, 9:16 PM

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M46 is fairly paper sure, but it's HE resistant (unlike the Leopard and Bat), and the funky turret angles, as well as the mantlet can bounce the occasional shot; which makes it about par for the course, and while the fully aimed dispersion isn't good for a med, it's still decent on the whole, but the godlike gun handling means that M46 pretty much doesn't need to stop and aim. Moreover, 48km/h is only a little less than average, being better than the 54E1, Cent, and tied with the Type 61, but the p/w ratio is also decent

And the VK's armor profile sucks. The turret is easily penned by prammo, and the rear mounted turret makes playing hull down next to impossible (not that you could even with the weak turret). On top of this, the rear mounted turret means you HAVE to sidescrape around corners, which the VK sucks at due to the sides being completely flat, and only 100mm with no spaced armor either. If this weren't bad enough, the lower plate is still a fairly easy pen, and just to rub salt in the wound, HEAT shells can pen the upper plate too.
Rear mounted turret is absolutely a disadvantage since you can always reverse sidescrape in a front mounted/center mounted turret, but you can't reverse angle-peek in a rear mounted turret, nor can you hull down well

rustic remnant May 20, 2019, 9:43 PM

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^what he said

twilit crystal May 20, 2019, 10:16 PM

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@orchid grove the conq couldget a gun depressionbuff like PC to 10

harsh ravine May 20, 2019, 11:33 PM

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the turret will still be useless

deft owl May 21, 2019, 1:54 AM

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Vk is definetely not the worst tier ix imho. Tortoise is the worst tier ix.

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Also you guys forgot k-91. That thing is great too.

stoic light May 21, 2019, 2:11 AM

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um tort is not bad

clever void May 21, 2019, 2:15 AM

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K-91 is ok. But in tier 10 matches everything can pene u

grave bear May 21, 2019, 2:45 AM

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@orchid grove
citation:
That thing is a tragedy on tracks... Rear mounted turret, turret is vulnerable to gold, fairly weak sides, awful mobility, awful DPM, trash gun handling, the list goes on...
speaking about vk45b... fun fact is that vk45b has same e75's turret, same gun handling, same dpm.(the gun is godly accurate on both tanks)
plus, rear mounted turret is amazingly useful for sidescrape, counting also that vk45b has better frontal armor than e75, it has same effectiveness but thicker base armor, so suffers less changes of tank angling like going downhill, plus lower plate is super small
all that is not enough for vk45b to be in pair with the op e75, but it's still a very very good tank,
take e75, make it a bit slower (it has just 5km less top speed, everything else is literally equal except 2-3 degrees of traverse) and way more driver's skill demanding: vk45b

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worst tier 9 heavies: (random order)
m103 (it's just a slower conqueror 10 times bigger with maybe better hull and way worse gun by huge far)
IS-8 (no words for it, fun to play but meh)
wz 111 (same for is8)
Mauschen (it's just a 1k times slower e75 with bigger cheecks and cupola, and weaker lower plate, but thicker overall armor, still not that amazing tank)
KPF 70 (this tank has just turret armor, okaysh mobility but gun is too meh excluding alpha, i would still prefer any other tier 9 heavy gun instead of that)
amx 50 120 (i love playing this tank, same for 50 100, but this tank is surely not on the top ht tier 9 for 2 simple reasons: accuracy and gun elevation/depression, both too bad for a paper big tank and combined kills any kind of tank's versatility.)

deft owl May 21, 2019, 2:54 AM

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@grave bear Vk doesnt have the gun handling of e75. Vk has worse bloom values.

0.18 vs 0.21

grave bear May 21, 2019, 2:56 AM

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wow anothee fun fact, e75 has worse dpm than vk45b
he basically said e75 has horrible gun

deft owl May 21, 2019, 2:57 AM

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E75 only has 1 worse dpm then vk. Not worth mentioning it.

grave bear May 21, 2019, 2:57 AM

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yes he said vk45b has horrible dpm, 10 secs before said e75 is the best tier 9 tank
just for coerence, anyway i dont even care of dpm in a super heavy tank meant to bounce the hell over it.

deft owl May 21, 2019, 2:58 AM

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I disagree vk being horrible but e75 is much more allrounder due to its turret placement and 20 mm more side armor.

grave bear May 21, 2019, 2:58 AM

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@deft owl i also disagree vk45b being horrible

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anyway, saying is8 is good because has 2nd highest dpm is stupid, that tank really has just the gun, everything else is horrible, the gun is not good enough to justify its trash armor
it obviusly has high dpm, without it would be totally useless.

deft owl May 21, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Is-8 only relies on its turret armor. Hull armor is mediocre for a heavy.

grave bear May 21, 2019, 3:02 AM

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btw it's still useless speaking about dpm since every tier 9 heavy is around 2250-2500 dpm except the OP conqueror with 2700 dpm, you wouldnt even notice the dpm difference in these tanks if you play conqueror.

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amyway, conqueror has the most accurate tier 9 gun in any aspect, is8 has slightly better on the move dispersion, which becames worse that conq's one combined with is8's min dispersion.

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3 combined values of on the move dispersion of is8 are
0.051 less than conq, but conq has 0.045 better min dispersion, basically they have same on the move dispersion only if turning turret, moving forward + traverse tank, if you remove 1 of these actions, conqueror will have noticeable better on the move disp. than is8.

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Is-8 is under rated

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I hated mine when I first started it

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Love it now

grave bear May 21, 2019, 3:09 AM

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yeah i like playing it but still conqueror has better accuracy than is8 in all aspects, someone above here was saying not
i still would play conqueror over is8/m103/wz111
you lose even more hull armor and top speed, but you have amazing laser gun, still strong turret, gun depression and op traverse

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ST-1 to me is a good tank but never liked it, it's so boring to play, awful horrible accuracy on the move (0.212-0.212-0.136 vs 180-180-160 of e75) play e75 over st-1 all the time, st-1 has same traverse speed as mauschen, same gun depression as e75 but worse accuracy, better turret but anything else is worse compared to e75, there is no space at tier 9 for st-1 imo, it can only hulldown, at least all other heavies except mauschen and vk45b have different playstyles than e75, so they dont get powercreeped by it and are still fun to play, like is8 and 120, even if st-1 is better than them.

hushed delta May 21, 2019, 4:31 AM

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FV4202 needs to have its armor reworked. Especially the turret.

teal olive May 21, 2019, 4:44 AM

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It has the best upper plate of the tier ten meds... if it had a better turret it’d be OP.

small flame May 21, 2019, 4:48 AM

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the e50m has the best upper plate

twin egret May 21, 2019, 4:49 AM

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Everything is Balanced End of Discussion

small flame May 21, 2019, 4:50 AM

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well thats fairly delusional but okay

supple jolt May 21, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Churchill Garbage Can: am i a joke to you?

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Ok but why did they NERF the churchill gc traverse on update 5.5 though, i haven't played it in a while and noticed that the traverse was slower than it used to be so i went and checked all the balance patch notes

small flame May 21, 2019, 4:58 AM

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because its too good

summer mortar May 21, 2019, 4:59 AM

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The GC is the best vehicle in game wdym

supple jolt May 21, 2019, 5:00 AM

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I agree 47.8% win rate is great especially for a rare tank so most people who still play it are veterans meaning that it should have a higher win rate

haughty harness May 21, 2019, 5:30 AM

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i cant Pen Lowe Frontal with stock is 3 even with APCR

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Nerf Lowe Frontal armor Coz Lowe will gave a hard time for new tier 8 players

gilded pivot May 21, 2019, 5:34 AM

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No

summer mortar May 21, 2019, 5:34 AM

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@haughty harness they cant nerf prems

gilded pivot May 21, 2019, 5:35 AM

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The side armour is garbage...

summer mortar May 21, 2019, 5:37 AM

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Long ago like pre-2016 prems were used exclusivley for making credits.....then they released the defender 252 U.......

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War gaming....never change

crystal spoke May 21, 2019, 5:50 AM

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They can and have nerfed premis

gilded pivot May 21, 2019, 5:51 AM

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What ones? @crystal spoke

crystal spoke May 21, 2019, 5:59 AM

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The ram, T34 a few others and it even states in the eulia that they reserve the right to do so they can also turn them to collectors and nerf em if they felt necessary

gilded pivot May 21, 2019, 6:00 AM

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Ram didn't get nerfed

small flame May 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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a very long time ago it did

crystal spoke May 21, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Yeah tho tbh I cant remember the update

gilded pivot May 21, 2019, 6:03 AM

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Long time ago... Probably before WG said they wouldn't nerf any more prems

crystal spoke May 21, 2019, 6:03 AM

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When did they say that?

gilded pivot May 21, 2019, 7:05 AM

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Can't remember but I know Jingles said it in one of his vids so that's when I remember it as

crystal spoke May 21, 2019, 7:08 AM

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In the eulia it still says they can and will balance as needed

gilded pivot May 21, 2019, 7:08 AM

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EULA

crystal spoke May 21, 2019, 7:11 AM

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Lol stupid auto correct

humble spear May 21, 2019, 7:49 AM

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wrong server, wrong channel as well

leaden flare May 21, 2019, 7:52 AM

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Balance?

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 8:14 AM

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@solid oracle but still funny

deft owl May 21, 2019, 8:42 AM

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Ram 2 never nerfed.

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 9:20 AM

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Yes it was

jade cargoBOT May 21, 2019, 9:39 AM

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dynoSuccess crippling depression#7629 was muted

deft owl May 21, 2019, 11:11 AM

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@unique scaffold It would be nice to show us some proof.

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 11:14 AM

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It was just nerfed either this patch or last

deft owl May 21, 2019, 11:14 AM

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Proof. Where is your proof? According to blitz hangar and wargaming patch notes ram 2 didnt get any nerf.

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 11:30 AM

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Hey

golden kraken May 21, 2019, 12:20 PM

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I must say that the Object 252 U is quite a bit too strong tank to be matched up with tier 7s. When I see one I can barely pen him, and when I try to cod it, it always have enough traverse speed to keep up. Only chance to pen him as a tier 7 is either be above him or be behind him. Forget apcr

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What do I know though

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 12:27 PM

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Go for the cupolas

teal olive May 21, 2019, 12:58 PM

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Cupolas are impossible to hit unless you’re up close and taller than the tank

late plover May 21, 2019, 1:03 PM

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lel

clever void May 21, 2019, 1:04 PM

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It really depends who plays it. If it over extends it’s a easy kill

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 1:39 PM

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The T22 is too strong

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It’s got better armor than an is8 and when angled there’s only one side of the upper plate that’s pennable

twilit crystal May 21, 2019, 2:08 PM

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252u is just a meme that people say is balanced yet its literally better than the old vk 100p with about 50% more mobility,same armor,better turret armor and a lower profile

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Gun I agree is SLIGHTLY worse but its really just alpha

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 2:58 PM

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I like how people like @twilit crystal complain about a tank being unbalanced when they haven't played it. It's just sad

twilit crystal May 21, 2019, 3:31 PM

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either the vk was not OP or the 252u is more OP lol

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Based on what?

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 3:40 PM

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So now you have to play with a tank to know if it's balanced or not? If I said the 183 was unbalanced because it can do 1200 average damage and make any kind of push a losing game for any tank because no one wants more than 2 thirds of their health shaved off in 1 shot, I don't know what I'm talking about because I didn't pull the trigger?

grave bear May 21, 2019, 3:44 PM

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usually tanks played by other drivers seems worse than what they are since i usually can play it way better than random players noobs, but hey 252U looks very good even in their hands, cant imagine what i can do in it.
(i think amx m49 is super strong tank,(i own it, but thought that also before i bought it) yet in battles i see many of them doing horrible performances like if it's a vk45a

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really if old vk100 was so op to need a nerf, obj252U just needs to get 1 tier higher.

clever mauve May 21, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Ram 2 actually got a secret buff last update ~ Churchill GC is op!!! So is toaster

ivory fractal May 21, 2019, 3:55 PM

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@supple thistle well playing the devils advocate here you must remember WG balance tanks based on stats of a certain player group.

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Yeah, but that's only 1 factor in what balances a tank, and if they used every player's stats the variance would be way too high to make any significant changes on.
Even then, it isn't about who plays and doesn't play the tank, it's about what you can do with the tank and how easily or difficult it is to do. The Obj263 for instance was OP before they nerfed the gun mantle because you could just drive forward at near invincibility and melt anything with that insane DPM. Now that it's nerfed, you can still do that, but you have to work a lot harder for it and it doesn't always work.

twilit crystal May 21, 2019, 4:11 PM

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how would increasing sample size increase variance lol?

humble spear May 21, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Well the more the data the more different/similar results you're gonna get

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 4:50 PM

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The average stats of all the players who play this game combined is 45% win rate. They assume it's 50% wins and 50% losses with the 5% being taken out of the whole because some matches draw. In reality, there's a couple hundred super unicums who almost never lose, or when they lose they do it with 3000+ damage, and 30% of the players who jump in, drive forward, fire 2 or 3 shots then die doing no or very little damage.

Rather than play a gigantic game of who's who, they find the median and mode of the 2 groups, remove the back end of people who are just crap and compare what looks like the middle to what looks like the top. You can then plot a chart to give you an idea of who's doing what. After you find that variance, you can bring in other stats to see if it's consistent with the balance of the game or not. If you included all the players, the plot would be heavily skewed back to 45% because most players just aren't that good in the game.

This is an extremely simplified version of what happens, but it should illustrate how using literally everybody who plays a tank wouldn't be very helpful.

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 5:00 PM

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I again would argue that half the reason why the vk 100 was because people didn’t know how to play against them

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I had dozens of tier 7 light and medium tanks shooting me from the front while stationary

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You can’t blame a tank for its opponents being incompetent

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 5:39 PM

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It turned too quickly, the cupola on top was anything but a weak spot and the snap shot capabilities were insane for its alpha

dim field May 21, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Cupola was fine. I can understand the gripe about the turn speed and gun acc though.

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 5:46 PM

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It could have used a few degrees off the turret and hull

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Now ap rounds pen the cupola

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Now standard rounds can penetrate the weak point

drowsy plaza May 21, 2019, 6:08 PM

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@supple thistle you can’t balance tanks based on the 48.3% median player. Meds and Lights would be OPAF in the hands of decent players. Not to mentioned SU’s

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:10 PM

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That's the exact opposite of what I said happen

drowsy plaza May 21, 2019, 6:10 PM

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The balance is based of 55-65% players on the Ru Server - with some small considerations to other regions.

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:11 PM

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@drowsy plaza
That what I just said

drowsy plaza May 21, 2019, 6:12 PM

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You said it in a million words 😏. But they don’t do any sort of regression to find certain ranges. Frankly I think it would be better if it was balanced by 55-65% players in that tier - but then that may get a little too restrictive

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:21 PM

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@quick lichen
No, the VK100.01P was (and still may be) overpowered. I don't understand why people think 175mm on a weak spot is so bad when there's, like, 4 mediums with th much pen on the standard rounds. As if ring penetrated from the front with standard rounds is something that isn't supposed to happen.

You are completely invincible from the front to most of the mediums you will come across. Your lower plate is the smallest at the tier and surrounded by tracks. Your cupola can still be angled and isn't that big. Your side armor is still not easy to pen. Your gun has the highest alpha for any heavy at the tier. It's gun handling is better than most other heavies as well. The UFP is still invincible. You have more effective armor on the cupola than other heavy tanks have at all. And for all that, you are still more mobile than all the "heavy" heavy tanks besides the IS clones.

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:24 PM

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@supple thistle I agree with you , but vk 100 p goes on about 20 km per h

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:24 PM

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I guess the 252u doesn’t have more effective armor than 220 mm

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But ok

dim field May 21, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Meds and lights shouldn't be able to frontally pen a hulldown super heavy.

gloomy dragon May 21, 2019, 6:26 PM

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If youre fighting a heavy in a med/light frontally, you're doing it wrong

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:26 PM

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@quick lichen its like ppl in medium tanks are able to do any simple task anyway

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:26 PM

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What you just wrong makes absolutely no sense

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:26 PM

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@dim field what about low pen heavy tanks ?

dim field May 21, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Like who?

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Masel

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It’s not hard to play a medium

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:28 PM

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Tell this to most of medium tank players I met in battle , @dim field t32 , chieftain

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:28 PM

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It’s not hard to just ignore a vk 100 until it’s isolated

grave bear May 21, 2019, 6:29 PM

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LMFAO im dying, vk100 has small cupola and small lowrr plate 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:29 PM

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Or flank it with two people

gloomy dragon May 21, 2019, 6:29 PM

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Its not like a vk100 can chase any decently mobile tank

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:29 PM

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@dim field t 32? Not even a bit chief goes about 40 km per h , and got cupola made out of cheese

dim field May 21, 2019, 6:29 PM

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I don't have experience in those tanks. Aren't they faster?

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:29 PM

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Firstly, why should a medium not be able to pen a hull down super heavy at tier 8? Secondly, why do you think that sniping that cupola is easy in a medium or light? Third, exactly which meds outside of the ones known for high pen can do this? Finally, why don't you just shoot them?

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:30 PM

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“Firstly, why should a medium not be able to pen a hull down super heavy at tier 8?”

grave bear May 21, 2019, 6:30 PM

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People expecting to pen 20km tanks super heavy frontally everywhere with ap no aiming in their WORSTmed tank pen tanks are so funny @supple thistle

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:30 PM

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I’m dead

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😂😂😂

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You must not understand what “super heavy” means

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Have you seen Maus? XD or e100?

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Is4

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Is7

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Etc

grave bear May 21, 2019, 6:31 PM

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if T44 can ezly pen vk100 with ap means that every tier 8 HT needs literally no aiming .
@unique scaffold Lmao are u trying to speak us about tanks?

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Just hilarious

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:31 PM

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It's harder to pen is7 frontaly than them ...

dim field May 21, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Super heavies sacrifice all their speed and sometimes gun for their armor. If meds and lights are able to frontally pen a super heavy while at its strongest then it's armor and speed sacrifice were essentially useless.

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:32 PM

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You must not understand what game balance means then
Also, it's kind of weird you started listing tier 10 tanks when we're talking about tier 8,no?

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Why play a heavy if you get penned frontally while hull down

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And you sacrifice going over 20 kph

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Bad dpm

grave bear May 21, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Super heavy tank: tank with horrible top speed meant to have super strong frontal armor, which can OBVIUSLY AT LEAST be unpenetrable frontally by med tanks Aap.

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:32 PM

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I don't think I should be the one who have to tell about sidescraping ,moving , and angling , right?

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Okay, I.know how to get though here.
Name. 3.tier 8 heavy tanks that are invincible hull down that aren't IS3 clones

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:33 PM

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That has nothing to do with what we are discussing

grave bear May 21, 2019, 6:33 PM

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tell me a thing, @unique scaffold you pen hulldown e100s with AP in your med tank, right?

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:33 PM

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T34, t32, m6 exp

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Now what?

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175 mm ap isn’t going through

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:34 PM

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It does lol , e100 is super heavy with "weak* cheek's , angling , gives you better chance to get bounc

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They have fat side armour, easily penetrable

grave bear May 21, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Wow Worst tier 8 standard pen cant go trough the frontal armor of super super heavy, what'd wrong?? @unique scaffold

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:34 PM

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You don’t angle the vk 100 turret really but ok

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:35 PM

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The T34 has a ridge on its cupola you can shoot, the T32 is garbage, and idk where ou ggot the Idea the M6A2E1 is invincible hull down because I shoot through it all the time

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:35 PM

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T34 got 240 pen lol it could pen vk turret from front. @grave bear did they need frontal armor , or cupola?

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:35 PM

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No you don’t

grave bear May 21, 2019, 6:35 PM

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fun fact: you cant pen e100 turret with med tanks ap, not even if isnt angled, but yeah, keep saying true facts @unique scaffold

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:35 PM

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You’re just lying

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Are we rly talking about ap? So I am supposed to believe that no one here use gold?

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:36 PM

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📎 image0.png 📎 image1.png

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“T32 is garbage” “I pen m6 frontally no problem”

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Ok man

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:36 PM

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The T34 has extremely high pen for its tier though, and why are we talking about tier 10 tanks when it's a tier 8 tank?

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Clearly you know what’s best here

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Laughable

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:37 PM

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You cannot honestly believe the T32 is a good tank with that top gun

grave bear May 21, 2019, 6:38 PM

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omg...
i give up, i dont even know what's the point of talking with super smart and skilled dudes like these @quick lichen

wet crown May 21, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Tbh who thinks the IS tanks are to OP?

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:38 PM

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I said it was impossible to pen while hull down

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You asked for three op tanks hull down

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I gave you them

violet burrow May 21, 2019, 6:38 PM

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298mm of frontal turret armor on T32

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Okay right now I have no idea about what exactly we are talking about

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Now you say they’re bad tanks for reasons beyond what you asked for

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And say I don’t know what balance is

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Lol

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Gg man

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You’re clueless and I’m done here

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Everyone is talking about different thing tbh

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Only you masel

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@grave bear and I are on the same train

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I think he’s sitting next to me

meager spruce May 21, 2019, 6:40 PM

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@quick lichen can you free the bot from the music channel prison

grave bear May 21, 2019, 6:40 PM

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we're talking about vk100 not being op if obj252U is here without any in coming nerf

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:40 PM

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@meager spruce nope

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Let's choose what we are talking about , @quick lichen doubt ...

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Don’t @ me

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:40 PM

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"Now you say they’re bad tanks for reasons beyond what you asked for"
You just showed yu have literally no idea wa yure talking out
I asked you for 3 tanks that are invincible wen hull down, an I just old you how to get through them from the front
You can even see where to pen them in the picture you posted

meager spruce May 21, 2019, 6:40 PM

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;-; stop bot abuse

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Lol

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:41 PM

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The pictures are on flat ground...

grave bear May 21, 2019, 6:41 PM

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@supple thistle LMAO because it's easy to pen t32 front turret, right?
then wtf? vk100 was unpenetrable in hulldown and got neefed? NO,! NOT EVEN CLOSE

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Want gun depression pics?

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No problem

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:41 PM

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I didn't say it was easy, I said you could do it

hollow meteor May 21, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Hi

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Good luck

grave bear May 21, 2019, 6:42 PM

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lol!! they're easy pen for me raik! u nab¡¡!!

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:42 PM

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Where are you penning the m6 with ap while it’s moving?

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Honestly

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:42 PM

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So is it in hulldown or move

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:43 PM

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I don't know why you think it's somehow easier on a VK but whatever
Oh, So now it's moving?

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:43 PM

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As you can see, obj 252u is extremely op

📎 Screenshot_20190521-214240_Armor_Inspector.jpg

hollow meteor May 21, 2019, 6:43 PM

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What do you guys think should I grind the FV 215B 183?

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Why would I ever stand in front of you and give you an easy target?

clever void May 21, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Brain cell loss detected. Stop all movements

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:43 PM

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🤦🏼‍♂️

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:43 PM

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@hollow meteor if you like kv 2 then sure

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Why then, don't you apply that same logic to the VK100?

hollow meteor May 21, 2019, 6:44 PM

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I like it 😛

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:44 PM

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I didn’t sit still in my vk either

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You move for a reason

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:44 PM

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This is just painful to watch.

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 6:44 PM

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^^^

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:44 PM

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I can’t teach you game mechanics over discord text

unique scaffold May 21, 2019, 6:44 PM

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To aim? Unless you trust in M6 accuracy

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:46 PM

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Yes, I know you move for a reason. What the question is now is how is the VK different in the hull down regard than these tanks (which by the way, specialize in being hull down) when they are both difficult to pen when hull down and moving?

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What I'm trying to point out to you here is that you want it to be as good hull down as a T34, as good sidescraping as the KV4, more mobile than other heavy tanks that are good at only 1 of those, have more alpha than all of them and no frontal weak spots for meds all at the same time, and you think this is balanced.

dim field May 21, 2019, 6:50 PM

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One of these things will usually work against a vk even pre-nerf

Aim for the lower plate or cupola
Become friends with a TD
3)Play as a td in future matches if it's too big of a problem
Go around it
Side hug it.
Talk to a teammate and double team it
Attack from a different elevation
Avoid the Vk for the time being and focus other targets.

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:51 PM

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The T32 has a terrible gun, the T34 has a terrible hull, the KV4 has a bigger weak spot and more pen zones and is just as slow with less alpha, and the VK100 gets all of them? Why?

grave bear May 21, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Kv4 as slow as vk100??? lmao?? where??
35km vs 20km
kv4 is just a bit slower than is3 with less traverse

dim field May 21, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Is it the kv-4 or kv-5 that goes really fast forwards?

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:52 PM

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When do you ever hit 35km in the KV4? Maybe going downhill

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 6:53 PM

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The vk is the slowest tier 8 heavy with the biggest profile,the tank legit depends on the map,if its a open map good luck not getting penned with that fat side.

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Let's be real here, the KV4 isn't going to be breaking any land speed records or helping the medium flank anytime soon

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 6:54 PM

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The armor is strong on the fromt because thats the purpose of a super heavy,and first of all why are you going at a vk by the front? In a medium?

grave bear May 21, 2019, 6:54 PM

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fun fact: kv4 is faster than lowe except traverse

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 6:54 PM

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It's not what I do, but that's the complaint here, that the hatch can be penned from the front by mediums

fiery flame May 21, 2019, 6:54 PM

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Here’s the main thing:

Vk is good because armour

people can’t aim

Vk is bad because it’s slow

grave bear May 21, 2019, 6:55 PM

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i usually eat vk100s with tiger II because thwy're Easy pen

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 6:57 PM

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The purpose of a medium is to flank and be on the mid range not go up front to super heavies thats just common sense.

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Idk why you’re obsessed with the idea of a hull down vk 100

dim field May 21, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Most ofthe time when i play mediums. I just go around the vk. When I'm a Td or a heavy i go for the cupola or lower plate. If the vk for some reason gets into a really good hulldown point and I legitimately cannot pen them. I leave and focus on other tanks come back to the vk when it's out of position or it's the last alive.

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:58 PM

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I played 100 battles at 87% wr in mine. I didn’t go hull down all that much because that’s not how you usually play German heavies

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You angle and wiggle

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 6:58 PM

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^^^fact

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 6:59 PM

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If you’re hull down in the vk 100, a smart team would turn your mobility against you and run

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But what do I know lol

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Is the vk 100 supposed to go hull down?

supple thistle May 21, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Not really, but I guess you could if you wanted to

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Last time I played maus mauschen and vk 100 I never went hull down I would rather side scrape or hide the weak points in tip

compact sundial May 21, 2019, 7:02 PM

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The only time a VK 100 should hulldown is if it is your LAST CHANCE to cary a team...

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:02 PM

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^^^^

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Even then side scrape or facehug it’s like tiger p also hide weakpoints on top and you do amazing

gloomy dragon May 21, 2019, 7:03 PM

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If you have a small hill or wall to hide your front plate behind, you should amost always be angling in the vk

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:04 PM

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The vk is not like the tiger p,two different playstyles.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Not really I can play both the same way

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:05 PM

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One is a dpm machine the other is not.even then dont compare tier 7 to 8.

compact sundial May 21, 2019, 7:05 PM

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The Tiger (P) playstyle is one of the few things I could never get a hang of...

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:05 PM

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I mean both have amazing fronts you hide weak points that line is hide weak point on top and lower then you fine

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:06 PM

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The vk can sidescrappe but not the tiger p

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Armour works the same way from front

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:07 PM

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Plus the manlet on the tiger p is really weak,not the best.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:07 PM

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And vk100 turret face is same way

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:08 PM

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No, Unless u have anything above 245+ pen.tiger p u can pen it with 150+mm on the manlet.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:08 PM

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You can Pen the sides of gun or go for top commanders port

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Yes you also said tier 7 vs 8 how many tanks have guns with 245+ at 6 and 7?

compact sundial May 21, 2019, 7:10 PM

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The Nash?

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Thats the for the vk.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:11 PM

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I am done talking now yes that’s why you don’t need it at 7 to have a buffed mantle both tanks are fine as is

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Im just saying both have very different play styles but ok.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:12 PM

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I am saying both have same armour

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 7:12 PM

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That’s not true

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Whats not true?

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Vk has way more side and rear armor tier for tier

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:12 PM

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tiger P same armor as vk100 ok, cya im done

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Tiger p is only frontally strong

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@grave bear this is rough

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Yes I was trying to say from front same side no

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Vk is still strong from the side 🤦🏼‍♂️

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:14 PM

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Am I wrong at saying from front vk and tigerp have same weak points aling with mauschen?

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:14 PM

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90% of tanks have cupola and lp as weakspot

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:15 PM

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All got strong upper weak lower and a cupola that you can pen

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:15 PM

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it's like saying they have same gun because both can shoot

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vk100 has tier x tier way better front turret and upper plate, being super slow. tiger P has way different playstyle, not onlt because of his no side armor.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Yes when did I say play style???

twilit crystal May 21, 2019, 7:17 PM

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its hillarious how the vk45a gets less dpm than the tiger P

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Even then if you are talking about armor you are still wrong.

compact sundial May 21, 2019, 7:17 PM

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The VK 45a is hilarious in general

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:17 PM

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@cloud domewhat's the point of saying "they have same front armor¡!¡!" this is totally useless

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 7:17 PM

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It’s more hilarious that the Chrysler K is a better vk 45.02 a

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Well

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They both have guns and turrets too

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So they must be similar

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:18 PM

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they can both shoot

quick lichen May 21, 2019, 7:18 PM

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They can even drive in reverse!

compact sundial May 21, 2019, 7:19 PM

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They can both be shot, so they aren't OP either >_<

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:19 PM

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@grave bear I mean from front they have similar weakpoints it goes threw that line play styles very.

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:19 PM

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IS3 and obj252u have same frontal armor, both can be penned in lower plate, plus both have pike nose! literslly same armor

safe canopy May 21, 2019, 7:19 PM

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funny when you compare smasher to vindicator tbh

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Vindicator is a meme.

compact sundial May 21, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Much like this chat ATM

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:20 PM

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@cloud dome so sad that tiger P gets penned everywhere frontally by anything heavy tier 8+ while vk100 has still unpenetrable upper plate vs tier X ap
literally same armor yeah

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then again, 90% of tanks have cupola and lp as weakspots.
now cya, im wasting too many brain cells

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:21 PM

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@grave bear never said same armour I said same weak points if you want to argue that more sure we can in pm. You saying shoot the vk 100 upper is like saying shoot t28 manlet...

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Yea im done here just wasted a couple of braincells.

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:22 PM

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@cloud dome i was speaking abt vk100 upper plate and yes, tiers X cant pen that with ap (not even close to do it)
it's as strong as maus' upper.plate

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:23 PM

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@grave bear I am just saying weak points on that line run from 7-9 true or false?

twilit crystal May 21, 2019, 7:23 PM

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and people cant pen a 252u upper plate or its TURRET

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:23 PM

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@cloud dome none of them, just USELESS
wow, their weakspots are lower plate and cupola!! thx for thst! didnt know! E3 is the only tank with strong cupola

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:24 PM

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So maushchen and vk 100 don’t have same weakpoints?

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:24 PM

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@cloud dome im saying that it's useless to mention it since 90% of the tanks have these weakspots

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Wow! your leo1 can go forward faster than backward! it's literally the same as my Is4¡!!! so similar tanks¡!!
this is what you're actually looking like

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:26 PM

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@grave bear I mean if you think sure. You do you.

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:26 PM

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this is not my think, this just the reality

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:28 PM

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@grave bear so you say reality is that Leo 1 is is 4 besides they got diffrent armour and speed? Along with diffrent line and country?

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:29 PM

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Hes not saying that its true,hes just poiting out your failed logic.

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:30 PM

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lmao you cant even understand irony and examples, my phrase was referring to your smart point of tiger P being similar to mauschen and vk100 because both can be penned in their weakspots, shared with 90% of tanks in wotb
i also wrote - this is what you're looking like-
how did you not understand lmfao

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:30 PM

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I am saying they in same line and have same frontal weak points my logic is true because it is known as a fact. Tier 7-9 of that line have same weak points. And that is not true or is it true within that line. No I am not talking about other lines

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Oh lord......

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:32 PM

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@cloud dome ok, who cares? Amx 50 100, amx m45 and amx 50 120 have both better forward speed than backward speed, they save that characteristic from tier 7 to 9!

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another example of your amazing logic:
IS, IS-3 and IS-8 keep having a turret on all of them!
SPIC ru251 and leo pt a keep being able to fire with their guns!
At8 at7 and at15 can be penetrated in their weakspots!
MT-25 LTTB and t54 lwt are fast tanks!
should i continue for the ethernity or you understood the uselessness of your logic?

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:34 PM

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@grave bear I mean is-3 is 8 and is 7 play mostly alike

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Never mind you kinda getting point different lines have diffrent play styles that’s why you don’t try to go hull down in the tiger p line

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Or did you miss why o brought that shit up in the first place? Who wants to try to go hull down in a thing that has a weak point your can hit on its head easily and is called a super heavy?

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Chieftain t95 has a massive cupola, it's still an hulldown tank, same for amx m49. nice one again 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

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now bye, i lost 99% of my brain cells

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:38 PM

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K and all those tanks you brought up are not “super heavys” try another time @grave bear

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Who said they were? Nobody.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:39 PM

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@warped anchor read my question about going hull down in one. Some one said you can go hull down in vk100

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:39 PM

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@cloud dome wow so funny you still didnt get the point of what i was meaning, just examples of the obviusity of your smart "tiger P has similar front armor to vk100 cause they have both weakspots"

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:40 PM

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@grave bear you still lost why I brought that up?

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:40 PM

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@cloud dome yes you can go hulldown in vk100, also in leo1, stb-1, and any other tank with more than 1 degree of gun depression able to hide its hull
since this is what hulldown means

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no one ever said vk100 has better armor in hulldown than t32

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Yes but you still take damage from the top so is it worth it? I would rather hide the weak points. And side scrape or poke out around corner

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:41 PM

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@cloud dome and if you're on open field or sidescrape what changes? your cupola magically goes away? so smart you are
really you're killing my brain, bye

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Use a rock then @grave bear there is always one on the field

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grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:42 PM

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OMG he has white discord, no more to discuss.
@cloud dome use a rock to do what? Hide your hull and basically going HULLDOWN ? ....

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Lol 🤷‍♂️

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:43 PM

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Umm ok thanks for pointing out the things we already know.captain obvious.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:43 PM

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@grave bear the rocks always bigger to hide your top of the tank on most maps in blitz

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:44 PM

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LMAO tiger P can sidescrape like vk100 xD
sorry @cloud dome i never saw flying rocks able to hide my cupola only

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cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:45 PM

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I did not know you could be that dumb and refer that I was talking about both tanks when I said side scrape? And how the rocks fly thought they where always gaint in game in hide@most of your tank

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:45 PM

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lmao you really called me dumb?

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:45 PM

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🍿 🍿

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:46 PM

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@cloud dome what's the difference between a rock and just a normal sidescrape spot? literally nothing? yes, unless the rock is flying and covers only your top turret.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:46 PM

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From what your trying to say and what I am we all on same page and you just trying to be picky at wording

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:47 PM

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@cloud dome i never insulted you, read everything again.

wary dirge May 21, 2019, 7:47 PM

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hello can i ask something, I just came back from playing wot blitz for some reason some of the tanks are removed and also how can you purchase them if possible

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Wrong channel.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:48 PM

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@grave bear no you just trying to be picky at what my wording but we in same page st how to play the tiger p and vk100

spice halo May 21, 2019, 7:48 PM

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This game gets worse

wary dirge May 21, 2019, 7:48 PM

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oh them which channel am i asking this questions

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:48 PM

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@cloud dome fun fact: im the first worldwide in tiger P by wn8 and avg dmg, but yeah teach me how to play it

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:49 PM

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@grave bear nice I never said you where not and was not trying to teach you anything but from what we both saying we just saying same stuff.

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Oh lord this is just too painful.

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:50 PM

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i just said that mentioning tiger P and vk100 having both weak lower plate and weak cupola Just like 99%of the tanks with cupola except t110e3 is as useless and already known as saying tiger P and vk100 goes both forward if you press "W"

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:51 PM

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They we can agree with. Like I said we just saying same things over and over.

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:52 PM

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the problem is that you said tiger P and vk100 have that in common, which is wrong
because every tank of the game has that in common, not only vk100 and tiger P.

spice halo May 21, 2019, 7:52 PM

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The calibre of the players tonight is absolutely garbage

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 7:52 PM

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Wrong channel

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:53 PM

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@grave bear that’s semi true and not really it depends on what you mean by same front armour

grave bear May 21, 2019, 7:53 PM

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in a world where every tank can shoot, it's wrong mentioning only a certain amount of them and saying they're similar because they can shoot, because in this way you're saying other tanks are different and cant shoot. @cloud dome

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 7:55 PM

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@grave bear I mean my view is form what I noticed. Like I said pm me if you want me to explain here so we don’t spam this anymore I am done saying the same thing as you. Have a nice day.

cobalt crane May 21, 2019, 7:56 PM

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@cloud dome its better not to go hulldown in vk100 because of its turret cheeks weekspots and copula, but it can be done, it is better to sidescrape with your copula side behind cover

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when you are not ready to fire point your turret toward whatever you are sidescraping off of at an angle so the enemy can't see your cheeks and pen them

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If you master the vk100 and maushen the playstyle is exactly the same for the maus minus it does not have a copula

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 8:01 PM

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@cobalt crane that’s what I am trying to say from start.... ty for getting it

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 8:01 PM

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Umm ok captain obvious number 2.

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U should of read above first.nobody was disputing that but ok.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 8:02 PM

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@warped anchor so you want to argue what we are not on same page. Tiger p also has same problem as a hull down vk 100... that’s all I was trying to say.

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Oh my god,dude its not about the weakpoints,this was all pointing out flawed logic of yours he already pointed it out multiple times,WHICH is USELESS FACTS. That we already KNOW,BECAUSE 99.99% Tanks on blitz Share the same weakpoints.just BECAUSE it has the SAME weakpoint that doesnt mean their Playstyles must be the same.

cobalt crane May 21, 2019, 8:07 PM

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please explain, the t32 t34 and t30 as well as dozens of other tanks that are good for hulldown, if they shared the same weakspots as the tiger p and vk100 they wouldnt be good for hulldown

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Quote from you again "Both have same armor" THATS what WE were disputing.

cobalt crane May 21, 2019, 8:10 PM

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i didnt see that

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 8:10 PM

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@cobalt crane it’s not worth it they don’t see what I was trying to say from front to me they do have same armour...

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Im so done with this.

cobalt crane May 21, 2019, 8:11 PM

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@cloud dome how so

warped anchor May 21, 2019, 8:11 PM

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@zuke dont even try you are going to waste your time

cobalt crane May 21, 2019, 8:12 PM

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i just thought he needed help on how to play vk100 i guess i shouldve read more lol

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 8:16 PM

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I guess some of us didn’t account about the size of the weakspots?

drowsy plaza May 21, 2019, 8:31 PM

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My brain died from reading @cloud dome ‘s posts.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 8:42 PM

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@drowsy plaza from what I seen I don’t think anyone here understood it even if your 60% that don’t mean anything to me.

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 8:42 PM

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You did say sidescrape like the Tiger (P)

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 8:44 PM

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From front upper plate is strong for the tier and lower plate is weak along with a copula same thing happens with mauschen. And to be clean I ment face hug in tiger p and vk100 can facehug or side scrape

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nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 8:44 PM

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K

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 8:45 PM

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That’s what I wanted to say but people wanted to bring up other tanks when I was talking only about that line....

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 8:46 PM

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They don’t threaten me much until Mauschen when they get you in a hug as a shorty IS-8

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Yep I feel maus is scary and is a under rated heavy. I liked when vk 45 b lead up because it thought you side scraping more.

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Mainly because people ignore angling like it’s armored enough to bounce shells anyways

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Yep that is very true

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@nimble zodiac can I pm you some things?

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Sure

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:09 PM

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LMAO @cloud dome what a fake screen, tiger P seen from same tank's height point of view, and vk100 seen by 100 meters above just to prove your stupid fake point that they have similar armor... vk100p's upper plate is UNPENETRABLE by any AP shell of any existing tank in the game ,except if you're above that plate, while tiger P's front armor is just totally garbage vs tiers 8 and still paper vs tier 7 gold shells.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Look you will always stick to your views

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:10 PM

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tiger P and vk100 DONT* have same playstyle, not even close, same for armor profile. BUT OFC vk100 mauschen and maus have same playstyle. never said it's not true, the only difference is the cupola and the fact that you cant angle vk100p and mauschen's turrets due to rounded side plates.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Maus is more forgiving with its armour massively and don’t have a weak point on the top of the turret so your point there is not true

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:12 PM

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really tiger P and vk100p are so much different.. no idea how someone can say they're similar just because they're in the same tech tree. LMAO CAN YOU READ; I LITERALLY SAID THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT MAUS HAS NO CUPOLA AND CAN BE ANGLED

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 9:13 PM

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^ extensively of course

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:14 PM

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oof just keeping waste my time, cya

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 9:15 PM

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I am done you tagged me to prove nothing. You keep missing my point.

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:15 PM

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i tagged you to prove you're justs lying and saying false stuff, im missing your point because you have none, or it 's just so obvius that is not even needed mentioning it.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 9:16 PM

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So you saying tiger p armour from front is easy to pen the upper plate with a tier 7?

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:16 PM

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with gold yes, it's easy. as i just said, easy pen for tiers 8 HT ap and also easy for tier 7 gold shells.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 9:17 PM

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So that’s why I bounce is 3 and other tier 8 heavys off front?

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:17 PM

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that's because they're noobs and dont know how to aim and they have bad accuracy so they bounce on mid plate or just cant aim your ez pen side, you'll never bounce a lowe or tiger II

nimble zodiac May 21, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Sometimes RNG takes the pen too low but most cases yeah, nubs

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:18 PM

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if you do, it's because they're sleeping , anyway, tiger P has good frontal armor, but nothing even comparable tier x tier to vk100's one, plus vk100 has also super stron sides and frontal turret which helps even more to make it a totally different tank, without counting the super high alpha bad accurate low dpm gun, literally the opposite of tiger P gun.

cloud dome May 21, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Okay that’s all I wanted to point out...

grave bear May 21, 2019, 9:19 PM

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but yeak keep saying tiger P is similar to vk100p, idc