t23 = 10 degrees
#tank-balance-discussion
twilit crystal
unique scaffold
The “MBT 70” (that’s not what it’s called in game) should be buffed. It’s not realistic at all. The engine should make speeds of 60km
@twilit crystal thx
wet quail
@subtle egret you need to grind 1,200,000 exp to get to the is5 and have clan supply access 10 lol
@uncut raptor ur mum
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold still don't get it? This game is not realistic
deft owl
@unique scaffold You want realism?Mbt70 should be in tier 11 then. So please stop wanting stuff just because its like in real life. There is a thing called balance. Mbt70 would be obviously overpowered if it goes at 60 kph.
leaden flare
Let's make it realistic so your tiger 2 moves super slow because it's engine dies pretty fast or Ferdinand same there pretty much couldn't move at all if you want realism play Warthunder and get oneshottet all day long
narrow terrace
Sycoraxis no plan of game 40%wr 100avg dmg not good :PPP
raw oar
@unique scaffold to me it plays like a comet, slightly sluggish to take off.
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold @deft owl Yeah I understand.
clever mauve
I hope t3485 victory stays exclusive I rly like mine and it’s somewhat rare
distant river
Its on sale through crates now 🤦♂️
pine charm
Congratulations WG
unique scaffold
Finaly something good
void pewter
why are you posting this in #tank-balance-discussion
pine charm
Game full of lags
cyan summit
is it 5.5% to get a random tank or 5.5 per tank so 27.5% to get a tank?
per crate
stoic light
5.5 to get a random tank
jade cargoBOT
H4RR1S0N#6257 was unmuted
eager pelican
thank you 😄
balmy juniper
<@&481447501690568709> explain this
brisk lily
big F
balmy juniper
Check end game results I got credits/exp so I have proof that this is random battles
humble spear
you might wanna ask those with the wargaming tag maybe
west torrent
@balmy juniper explain how this is discord related
@humble spear there isnt an @ mentionable WG tag
He needs to submit a ticket
balmy juniper
oh ok
humble spear
eh fair enough
balmy juniper
can u pls explainhow to do ticket I wnt the mm to be fair since I am starting new acc I noticed and I needed to know why this happened so I don't how to get a ticked ls explain
an someone pls tell me how to get a ticket its discord relatede cuz I feel like I need to let others know that mm is got this unfair game if its a bug or lack of same tier players
bold dagger
@balmy juniper you on NA?
balmy juniper
Asiaian server
unique scaffold
@balmy juniper
First of all, the support will ignore it since matchmaking related stuff is out of the hands of the support, second, matchmaking being unfair is subjective - you think it was unfair, but was it really or did you just played bad(in a way that the team didnt work)? The support heard it 29'482'919'483 times, just as much as everyone else: matchmaking is constantly "improved" and lost a ton of its original flair and excitement. In relation with what millions of players played before you, your whine is pretty laughable(not that it can be sometimes exhausting, but unfair?)
Reread some Blitz history, read about the matchmaking changes and then think again how badly "UnFaiR" the matchmaker is today...
balmy juniper
I undertand but @unique scaffold and yes I do know about +2-2 mm but it has evolved and supposed tto be equal in tiers and this has never happened to me so I feel like I should ask if this was a bug or something else I don't mind if I am bottom tier but this was very peculiar and I really wanted to know if I can do anything about this tanks for lwtting me though I really appreciate it
unique scaffold
THAT is bad matchmaking, what you complain is mostly playable with some better team efficiency(strats, pinging, focusing, calling for support)
balmy juniper
I already know I wanted to know if this ws intention or glitch or coincidenc @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
the asian server is notoriously undermanned - rating is almost impossible since the server has such low activity sadly, it was once a great server but its lacking behind now. Trouble is that it often falls under the 8000 online mark that is needed for the accurate matchmaking to work. If its under 8000 it will try to match you equally but there is no guarantee its same class tanks then
balmy juniper
Thanks for letting e know ill take into acc I don't mind lower tier cause it grants more exp
unique scaffold
that is btw due to wargaming trying to prevent way too long waiting queues like 4min for a 7min game
balmy juniper
oh lel I ahd to wait 6 min in mad games once which sucks cuz I had prmium on
brisk lily
well you can't put bots or tier 10s in a lets say tier 8 matchup
unique scaffold
the bots arent that great, they can be okay for lowtier but since you cant "control" them like for example in CS 1.6 with teamcommands like "enemy spotted" "need backup" "follow me" "you take the point" etc. they would be more in the way than actually helpful i guess. They would participate, yes, but not effectively bc they would fight their own little battle and not the war your team wants to win.
rain salmon
The Churchill tier V needs better turret armour and its gun deppresion needs a buff
cyan summit
I liked the +2-2 mm :/
That was funny to gold t10 with t8 and farm exp at an alarmant rate, or to destroy low tier noobs with e75...
meager spruce
@lusty silo can we expect 5.9 charts soon in #devs-answers or are they still not ready?
fringe summit
Back in 2014 MM wasn’t a problem at all. No one was crying about “unfair mm”. Everyone was just playing for fun and nobody was really good at the game back then.
twilit crystal
Fun guns = dumb guns which you used to seal club
humble spear
^^^^^
Also I don't see high tier grinds being nerfed at all. They are still painful as all hell, especially tier 9. 5.5 removed many sealclubbers that were kinda ruining the experience for new players. Sure you enjoyed it and it was fun, but the new player ain't gonna like it
it IS a problem in PC. A gigantic one. Wargaming "solved" it by creating missions for new players where they can literally get any tier 6 tech tree tank after the missions are done.
crystal spoke
Seal clubbers make the game unenjoyable for new players who wont want to keep playing if they aren't enjoying the game
humble spear
You said "no more hard grinds", so if you want one, try grinding through a stock ST-I.
twilit crystal
im sure playing with a stock 75% crew with stock modules and like no crew skills and maybe a rammer and optics is so much fun against a fully equipped seal clubber with max camo skills and years of knowledge
humble spear
if you wanna sealclub at tier 3, so be it. But what wargaming did by nerfing the tanks severely hindered players, especially unicorn statpadders looking to club baby seals. Provisions were also removed to remove the paid advantage
crystal spoke
Its random everyone has the same mm
humble spear
If you can't carry your team hard enough, well. Carry harder.
unique scaffold
😒
fringe summit
@normal sky Thank you for supporting my opinion. Waayyyy back in the day where dinosaurs ruled the world, the Hetzer was really good. Nobody shot gold ammo as well. Now we have only 500 dpm tanks in low tier. Everything goes slow there. You need to take a minute to kill someone while in high tier you can be dead in 20s
crystal spoke
If they arnt random and is calculated to people only vs the people with the same wr% everyone will be brought to 50%
If a 60%er only fights 60%ers there wr will be brought down to 50% because if the other team is always the same skill as you you will only win half the time which is a 50% wr
I'd watch your language
unique scaffold
@normal sky. Calm yourself
crystal spoke
So if someone with the exact same amount of skill as you is more likely to win against you? This is basically what your saying
unique scaffold
Random MM is fine.
Also this is not the area for this discussion. Take it to #general-blitz-discussion please.
@normal sky @crystal spoke
@normal sky bro chill...
crystal spoke
We were discussing mm which isn't tank balance
Also if you looked at the pinned messages you would notice this isnt the place
unique scaffold
@normal sky. That is exactly what I'm telling you. Read the pinned messages
shy wren
facepalm
It’s still off-topic to the original intention of the channel.
unique scaffold
This
Isn't
The
Place.
unique scaffold
I like the console background
crude kite
torn cliff
Yeah balance discussion
quick lichen
@normal sky are you lost?
You seem lost
And you’re being rude to a ch
Not ok
@normal sky I suggest fixing your behavior
Like an hour ago?
I’m sorry your behavior is inconvenient to you, as it’s inconvenient to me because you can’t read channel descriptions and follow the rules
deft owl
https://blitzhangar.com/en/tank/charioteer
Am I the only one think that tank will be awesome?
quick lichen
I’m excited
unique scaffold
I'm eagerly looking forward to this line.
quick lichen
The consumables are playing with Fire
deft owl
210 pen hesh at tier 8 will be devastating.
unique scaffold
I agree. The consumables concern me. I'm reserving judgement until I see them used but...
quick lichen
I’d be fine if they replaced an equipment spot like the do for autoloaders vs single shot guns
Instead enhanced armor, why not have the spall liner?
Keep the improved assembly for people wanting more hp
unique scaffold
TBH I feel like these new consumables are yet another band aid attempt to fix the damage caused by 3.8.
twilit crystal
Its the stupid DPM on the charioteer with really good accuracy soft stats and medium tank level mobility(infact its better than most medium tanks with regard to hp/ton effective)
unique warren
it will probably be OP
rain ivy
still waiting for Foch 155 to get an autoloader
twilit crystal
I mean I could absolutely u nderstand pre 3.8 if the spall liner was an equipment choice for 20% less HE dmg even for penetrating hits(pre 3.8 Spall liner only worked on non pen hits). It would def be a worthwhile choice but it required the sacrifice of a camo net or binocs or GLD or optis
deft owl
@twilit crystal Dont worry. Due to having no armor it will have trash overall winrate. You will have enough time to abuse it untill wg realises its op.
twilit crystal
unfortunately no because WG has this absurdly stupid balance that prevents any high skill ceiling tanks
fringe summit
Charioteer has over 4000 dpm with full HESH rounds.
Error 404 - Balance not found
void pewter
erm but are you gonna pen all of those hesh rounds that's the question, and also how long will it take for you to aim those shots
unique scaffold
i think AMX 30 b is too much balance... French tanks are not bias
deft owl
@fringe summit Who cares. I will have have pleasure when sending hesh to those stupid russian heavies in that thing.
twilit crystal
it has the same dpm as the at15 with the 20 pdr
flat zephyr
@unique scaffold you mean amx 30B is over performing?
unique scaffold
i want buff to Su-152 derp gun, hope i am not only one who wants that.
fringe summit
30B has 58% and 2200 avg dmg
distant river
@unique scaffold what particularly would you want to buff?
fringe summit
Give it hesh rounds😏 @distant river
unique scaffold
MORE DMG
distant river
Now that could be interesting /stupidly op 😋
unique scaffold
Like max dmg with HE 1275
distant river
It already has the 3rd biggest alpha in the game
unique scaffold
thats not enough... Why SU-152 is not british, fuu
flat zephyr
@fringe summit because not enough players have it and fair amount of players that have it, are decent players
Also it is actually performing like e50m but with much fewer players
rigid onyx
scuse me(Im a veteran(Been playing since like 2015)
oh the days of the T-150 and sp+are parts are far gone
spare*
And the Medium l Medium ll and Medium lll, cruiser l, Ms-l Loltraktor, luchs and many more
unique scaffold
I have played since like 2015 too?
timid galleon
i have been playing since 2015 as well
knotty tiger
hey this is snowstorm_2001 user i confused what not going happen to the tier 9 and 10 on the British tank destroy tree as i notice the tortoise has the same Armor as the at 15 making it not every good tier 9 but then going into a half turning turret that doesn't turn all the way but is a turning turret i though it was going be replaced by the honey badger as the tier that the fv215b 183 would be more of a fast firing armoured tank destroys instead of fast firing then high damage and weak Armor while the honey badger as those idea of a tier 10 for the next tank after the tortoise as it would be difficult get to the honey badger as it has the bad tortoise before with not to good Armor making it a difficult but good tree at the same time.
just wondering as i being grinding up the British tiers of tank destory a felt that the teir 9 was difficult to play as it had no armor on the front as most guns can pen it easy without having a huge weak spot on top what tower what fine if it had good armor also it really confused my gameplay of when i change to a turning turret fv215 183 as i was used to playing a not turret tank like AT 15 and tortoise tank destorys
deft owl
@knotty tiger Tortoise needs buff. No doubt about it. Also its fv217 badger. Not honey badger.
knotty tiger
I know i just call it honey badger as it got good aim time and can hit good weak spots
i like real life honey badger it target weak points slowly but surly kill them
Pururut [1RTR_] (EU) but i think it should replace the fv215 183 with the fv217 badger as it seems more of that type of tree tank instead of just chaning at end to a turret tank confusing the players as it doesn't have same play style as the over tank destorys in it's team
deft owl
Yes it should be replaced with fv 215b 183 but wg is more likely to do whatever they want instead of listening us. 99% chance it will be a collector tank.
fallen nova
nah i disagree
knotty tiger
okay why do you disagree pigeon007. rather than saying disagree as that doesn't show you put really
smoky yoke
I am a lover of all fv 183's 😍 💦 Stab through the heart if it leaves the game 😭 💘
knotty tiger
Yeah that why I think it should be a special tank as it then will be still in game and if we got the badger then fill the role of what it should be in
low talon
Chieftain mk.6 needs buff
winged barn
... lol
dense glade
AMX 13 75 needs a buff
modern fern
T6 drac needs a buff
brisk lily
spits entire content of cup
u say what now?
dense glade
Haha,but the French light line seriously needs a buff
iron lynx
One more shell
teal olive
@twilit crystal WG doesn’t do that too much... do they? The waffle is a pretty eh tank in the average player’s hands... but a Unicum can work wonders in it. I see so many super Unis getting 3.5K avg in the thing.
twilit crystal
Uh yeah they do. 55-65% is basically a limit on high skill ceiling tanks because rASYA
teal olive
I feel like if the charioteer is nerfed. It will have its reload and alpha both slightly nerfed. I hope it isn’t though. It think it’ll be pretty unique and usually when a tank is unique in blitz it’s either a broken prem or crap tech tree 😂 so the charioteer should be a nice change
unique scaffold
i think we should have a system where only players with a certain number of battles can get a t8 t9 or t10 prem
smoky yoke
Imagine if they balanced it to 50%ers , superunicums gonna have a field day. I love a comet with 4k dpm ^^ or heavy tanks with better aim-time.. or auto-loaders with shorter reload time due to players dying during reload. T57 Heavy good example would love a shorter time on it ^^
cyan summit
well if u buff the tortoise, everybody will rush the 183
knotty tiger
no they won't if you buff one tank that tree plus 183 is really isn't best tank go up unless you play with the germans or american tank destoryers as they are much easy to partice with before 183 so no people won't rush that tank if one tank in the tree is buff
dusky oxide
@smoky yoke they could at least take into account how the avg player plays. Not just blindly balance everything around unis.
unique scaffold
55%-65% players are taken into account when balancing
unique scaffold
Gold was nerfed for all tanks, not just meds... Also it was nerfed for game balance
cyan summit
pen nerf for t10 meds
also, who uses the most gold, unicorns or tomatoes?
unique scaffold
Idk I use gold when I can't pen
cyan summit
while a tomato will bounce and deal no damage, so gold alpha nerf was a direct attack to purple people @dusky oxide, and mediums gold pen nerf was also, cause noobs rush most of the time heavies while meds are harder to play so not for them
dusky oxide
Its laughable how easy it is for a 45%er to just farm dmg in a TD or rush in a heavy and still end up with a decent score. They get every advantage. Even view range doesnt make a big difference between classes.
twilit crystal
balancing around unicums means it hurts unicums.
tbf gold nerf was a good idea(atleast the overall thing).
humble spear
:(((( I can't become the HEAT-54 without losing dpm
grave bear
@dusky oxide what??? view range doesnt make a big difference? are u kidding me lol¿???
rain bough
Arl44 nerf?
iron lynx
The T95 is actually supposed to be slow.
unique scaffold
16km/h i Walk this
iron lynx
And you somehow forgot 300mm of armor?
And also a 155mm cannon.
grave bear
it has so weak lower plate
quick lichen
Why are there screenshots in balance discussion @unique scaffold ?
@sage tapir read pinned messages 😃
unique scaffold
All ready i delete it and the Game too ..bye bye
quick lichen
Lol ok
quick lichen
Most of the game is balanced with a few outliers
sage tapir
Yeaaa,My grille has absolutely killed me since this update was released
But again WG doesn’t really care huh lol
unique scaffold
@quick lichen The Matchmaker is Not balanced..Last change was ahead 2 -3 years
quick lichen
@unique scaffold this is about tank balance. There’s nothing wrong with mm
iron lynx
Aieeee
Grille is fun
Maybe not as competitive, but fun
quick lichen
If you have problems, change your playstyle
unique scaffold
Goodbye
quick lichen
👋🏼
onyx fiber
the AMX 13 57 is one of the smallest lights on Tier 7 but has the worst camo rating
dusky oxide
@grave bear no, im not. Concealment has a way bigger impact. The differences in vr between classes should be a bit bigger or tds and heavies shouldnt be able to mount optics.
desert star
grille 15 has 230 frontal armor(jk)
indigo knot
I am in it with raik .... Grille needs some buff
unique scaffold
Traverse or camo 🤔
cunning kindle
Traverse
charred bobcat
A bit of frontal gun depression and better camo
grave bear
@dusky oxide ok, 310 meters vs 280 is a small difference
woven fern
dusky oxide
Theres tier x meds that only have 10m more vr than tds and only 5m than some heavies @grave bear
@spare mesa rating doesnt really work anyway when there isnt enough people playing it since the rewards arent attractive.
smoky yoke
I am not against balancing on 50-60% , since i myself is not even in the list for how tanks are balanced due to my winrate is more than the winrate required so i have no affect on the current stats and balancing😬
dusky oxide
I think that it makes a game a bit boring if it doesnt have some high skill ceilings which when you reach you get awarded accordingly. Wg was pjssyfooting around with batchats but now when it comes to adding TDs for the commoner to farm in, caution is thrown to the wind and we're teased with gamebreaking consumables.
smoky yoke
The consumables woukd be fun thou. I like to see how that would change gameplay for this game to be an actual mobile game like world of warships which is completely different from the pc version
dusky oxide
I disagree. Imo they add nothing but complexity to gameplay and are yet another thing the dev team can fail at in balancing. They could be more creative in tank desing, not consumables, which not suprisingly, you also need to pay extra for.
cobalt crane
How will you balance the robot coming hmm
dusky oxide
@smoky yoke what do you like about wowb thats not in blitz?
smoky yoke
No i meant that wotblitz should have something that can differentiate itself from the pc version that has way bigger maps tds actually being tds and meds actually being able to spot without problems , our maps are smaller so we need something that make game unique to pc version i don't mind arcade stuff coming here if it makes every match unique, the most satisfied players are the ones that play mad games and are happy about it. That's really rare in blitz commmunity
dusky oxide
Thats true mad games are popular i didnt even realize that connection between mad games perks and the new consumables. I just personally cant enjoy that being the norm all the time, even dilutedly. If you add even more consumables with big effects like the ones teased the game strays away from gameplay where your position and awareness is more important than what ability your tank has. Thats more of an mmo direction. Half the playerbase is already having a hard time understanding where they should go and what their tank type should do.
hazy lichen
I just wish mad games was a weekend mode
dusky oxide
Clearly there is a problem of not enough players to create different cueues. One for regular, one for mad games at all times. Even reg + ratings cant be maintained. So i'd see why theyd try to fuse elements from mg that add intense and 'dynamic' gameplay. I think it will cause the playerbase to shrink even more judging from the dislikes and the idea itself. A good multiplayer to me is something that is simple yet addictive and versatile, has a meta that doesnt shift too much but has the ability to do so from to time and is easy to balance and maintain. And of course has a playerbase that is effectively moderated so you dont run into toxic types.
As time goes by blitz seems to tick less of those boxes.
cyan summit
don't understand what you mean by simple, new mission system or events as christmas one are very simple!
flat zephyr
I agree with the meta thing
rain bough
Yes
lunar ruin
Question. Why did the MM revert back to 4 heavies in battles??? They dropped it to 3 maximum, but after an update way back, it reverted back to 4.
There was a big whiner fest several months ago about heavies flooding the battles, so they dropped the cap, then gets reverted back... I don’t get it
distant river
The caps only come into effect if enough people are online i believe
dusky oxide
What i mean by simple is creating a distinct platform and only adding content and changing core mechanics to improve the gameplay. Instead of adding useless bells and whistles to attract customers like avatars and christmas events where you need to spend 50€ to gain something because its horribly untransparent figure out long term improvements. Why waste resources on something the current community dislikes to get the attention of new players? The old blitz fair was much better and actually brought the community together. Constantly monitor how tanks and maps are used and add tech trees based on that. Not a td tech tree one after another so one class rules matchmaking queue. Whats the point of cannibalizing low tiers because there isnt a working turorial system if you cause another outrage?
quick lichen
@spare mesa pinned messages
spare mesa
@quick lichen and by that you mean?
spare mesa
Lol, a sentence would be great
quick lichen
Read the picture
twilit crystal
because nothing's wrong with 4 heavies. 4 heavies form a good base for a frontline
distant river
Then having 3 TDs is where it goes wrong
indigo knot
This year auction was good though and lucky ticket was given in the event where most players could get amazing awards(even f2p players could get amazing rewards) and pz4s was given which is one of the best tier 6 ....the chirstmas event was good this time ......though I have only been playing since 2017 so might be know better than me @dusky oxide
dusky oxide
Same with heavies, they just happen to fit to tother roles as well. When one or some class(es) become less popular youre bound to have problems
quick lichen
@spare mesa you realize I can see what you said right?
Really not my fault you can’t follow rules
spare mesa
That was the whole point, now kick me
quick lichen
I don’t do orders
indigo knot
I really wish that in ratings and tournaments they should remove the hit skins to make it more competitive...though i might be wrong
flat zephyr
I don't like hitskins at all
flat zephyr
The reason I'm playing blitz is I don't have a pc RN.
Also it might be cool to at least we could turn it off in training rooms
dusky oxide
@indigo knot how was it good compared to being able to get a real t8 prem with just simple tickets bought with free xp? The grind to get the lucky spin was very tough and not only for the avg player. To top it off, everything was behind different stages that you moved through by decorating a christmas tree. You really didnt have a very big idea of how much resources you needed to spend to get what you want.
flat zephyr
Buff at15a
The aim on movement is too bad. It goes 20 and its aim goes like a full speed kv2 while turning the turret
indigo knot
They grind was kind of mediocre for the rewards that were there ......only tankenstien and gravedigger were not worth but for f2p players it was worth the grind .....
dusky oxide
The auction was completely overpriced and tanks still sold out at list prices. Trust me, you missed out if you didnt participate in the first blitz fair because there will never be one like it. The only thing that was worthwhile last xmas was filling a box with 20k gold and being able to buy it for a pocket sum and then buying a t10 prem with it.
twilit crystal
yeah the at15a probably needs a gun dispersion buff and its good
twin egret
<@&481447501690568709> Breaks rules, English Only, Plus it's not related to the balance discussion as well as possible Spam
quick lichen
That’s a whole mess of things
twin egret
okay back to discussion what are these values? 😂
clever void
Basically. If ur on Mars. You will see this tank
unique scaffold
Could people stop spamming that already??
red condor
T54 is easily the worst tier 9 tank I’ve ever played....
unique scaffold
You obviously didn't play the type 61 or a t95
red condor
Won 1 out of my 10 last games in this garbage thing..
unique scaffold
T54 was never garbage
drifting heath
T54 garbage 😂
red condor
30 games and 17% wr in it... not liking that thing...
indigo knot
If it is stock then it is garbage but when upgraded it is beast
drifting heath
Farm t10s
jade cargoBOT
technoboy#1823 was muted
clever void
Lmao. T54 garbage. All the nubs are out 😅
red condor
32 and 16%....
I wonder if I could get it to 0%?
shy wren
Nope, it’s only gonna get better the more you grind that T-54
red condor
I can’t buy a win in it...
shy wren
You don’t buy wins, you have to earn it
rigid wigeon
@red condor is your t54 fully upgraded?
autumn ridge
T54 is a very aggressive thing, stock is shit but fully upgraded is Stalin's son
prime viper
i still say we give the 105 back to the t82 or atleast give the gun it has rn AP
twilit crystal
how about not giving it a stupid seal clubbing weapon that one shots tier 3s just so u can have fun and ruin new players
deft owl
@twilit crystal Kv-2 can do the same at tier 6. And it has a turret.
So why you dont complain about kv-2 but you do about t82?
clever void
U must admit. The kv2 gun is a real pos
teal olive
People have more experience at tier 6 and know not to sit in front of massive guns... like really? People at tier three are literally just starting the game.
orchid grove
@deft owl That's a strawman. wannbeunicum also complains about the KV-2, but it wasn't even brought up, so there was no reason for him to mention it.
fringe geyser
What tank should I get in the event, I think at15a would be best as su doesn't have an amazing dpm
unique scaffold
@orchid grove wannabeunicum always has something to complain about
twilit crystal
The kv2 gun isn't a real POS. It gets the dpm of medium tanks with 4 times the alpha and then the HE is a whole another thing
clever void
It can in certain games do amazing things. This usually requires the enemy to be nubs. I have a fantastic wr in it. But it’s obviously seal clubbing. I’m 80%+ in 60 games. If the enemy team had my experience you would not get those HE shots at all
twilit crystal
also the t82 was stupidly sad to use. It was exceptionally brutal on the poor seals. Incredible camo+ mobility = dead seals
fallen elbow
T82 was amazing, until the gods of wargaming came
humble spear
It's a dirty sealclubber tank
unique scaffold
It was also amazing getting one shotted on your 20th battle
fallen elbow
was a dirty sealclubbing tank
humble spear
and I'd say the gods of wargaming did a good thing for once
unique scaffold
^^
low path
"Keni Otsu is no problem because so few people own it" "We want to make game more enjoyable for new players."
and that is just a regular bad player sealclubbing
white vessel
62 with keni 😂
low path
that is the joke within the joke, yeah 😛
spark star
IS-4 needs a nerf
astral lava
SP 1C Needs 2- 2.5 sec BUFF on intra clip reload on its autoloader gun.I loved that tank alot and i still miss it :/ It's looks so bad that peoples watch SP 1C and forget other tanks on the battle field to rush and Smash it with ramming and spamming HE :/
white vessel
Play so that you cant be yoloed if thats the case
unique scaffold
Csá
twilit crystal
it was brutal. You have a player with level 7 camo crew skills and maxed equipment with complete game knowledge of the maps they are in against a player with a 75% crew or something and little game knowledge. I fail to see how one shots really teach players compared to reguar shots
meager spruce
and then A20, BT7 ART, PZ2 J and SU 76I enter
clever mauve
^
twilit crystal
yeah i dont get how it "teaches" players anything but that some tanks are stupidly op
meager spruce
@twilit crystal it teaches them not to play the game. When I started I got myself a hetzer and just wrecked those bastard. If you can't beat them, join them ¯_(ツ)_/¯
quick lichen
I’d love to know how wg reads this and comes to the conclusion “let’s nerf the T34”
And ironically buff the Chieftain/T95
crystal spoke
How is the cheiftan? Is it balanced and worth getting?
sullen vault
YAS
However i would've liked a gun buff more than armor
Its gun is what makes it lack,and with the dum vk and is spam,it would make it more competitive.
latent snow
The armor change on the chieftain mean that it’s FRONT hull will be susceptible to HE shell ( from big calibers ) and it won’t be able to side scrape at all because it’s thin side would be over matched by everything it meets
crystal spoke
Welp it's a good thing I cant get it rn maybe the buff will do it well
quick lichen
The upper hull strip is confusing to me
Big difference in armor thickness in a necessary spot
Who cares how thick the turret is if you can shoot just below it easily
flat zephyr
I would prefer chieftain not to change
This is not good in my opinion at all. It's not a good tank right now, it would be worse
It's mostly like armor nerf than armor buff
deft owl
Raik Im sure those changes will not implemented to cheiftain. Its glitched as hell.
cloud tiger
Will 183 get some buff? It's the worst tier 10 in the game.
deft owl
@cloud tiger For now it wont. But yeah deserves some buff.
small flame
why in the bloody hell should the 183 get buffed
twilit crystal
FYI my marder raisin isn't seal clubbing. I was a seal back then
quick lichen
@deft owl I guess we will find out
low talon
tbh at15a rly needs some buff, especially the gun handling
twilit crystal
only buff it needs is a gun handling buff. Problem is reload is so fast but you need to wiggle but you cant due to gun handling
low talon
yep at15a actually has the worst dispersion factor on movement or rotation in tier 7
glossy estuary
Is the t34 being nerfed?
unique scaffold
nerf laggs pls
proven helm
Honestly the japanese line needs a new breath of life
deft owl
@small flame 183 currently worst performing tier X tank in game. It has terrible overall winrate.
flat zephyr
It always had the worst winrate
deft owl
It wasnt that bad before the nerf. Now its awfull.
flat zephyr
It was always the worst winrate in tier 10 but it had decent damage numbers
deft owl
No it had insanely good average damage before. Thats why they nerfed it.
void pewter
ofc it would have bad wr and good dmg numbers the thing is a td which isn't so reliable and is dependent on camping
flat zephyr
The reason they said 183's winrate was so low was that they faced each other much in battles, both teams can't win right, so the Winrate was low but damage was higher than most
deft owl
Now average damage is average too. It deserves a slight buff.
void pewter
they have lower winrate cuz people suck at the game
flat zephyr
@void pewter paper tanks have lower winrate also
The only tank that needs buff is jg.e100😐.
It needs his 420mm pen back
deft owl
@void pewter Fv having bad winrate is not about the players. Its the tank itself.
magic jasper
platoon? eu server
void pewter
the tank is unreliable but it's still a tank that can kill a unicum in 1 lucky shot, it needs no buffs
flat zephyr
@magic jasper go to #502019319417405441
deft owl
@void pewter You can kill every tank in game with one shot if you are lucky. Its not special to fv.
magic jasper
platoon search is empty
void pewter
that's a silly statement, you are more likely to hit a shot than to ammo rack a tank
flat zephyr
Nope. You can't
But in 183 you can delete anyone
deft owl
Fv cannot one shot unless it high rolls and with an engine fire. Which doesnt happens most of the time.
magic jasper
with ammorack you can
void pewter
even if you don't killed in one shot it cripples your further game
flat zephyr
1400 hp, gg go hide in your nest
void pewter
heavies,mediums,lights,TDs all get dikked by some plebian in a 183 and now they gonna have a fun game
flat zephyr
I never forget the doomed day that 183 entered the game.
It ruined my jg.e100
deft owl
Also not to forget fv has awfull gun handlings after the nerf. Its impossible to hit a thing more then 400 meters.
flat zephyr
You can't hit thing in 300 meters with jg😐
deft owl
Bruh.
void pewter
oh yeah so you want to camp at 400m and dik people, really sounds like fun gameplay for people on the other side
flat zephyr
Do you have the jg?
deft owl
@void pewter Stop that salty altitude. Im talking about numbers here. Im not talking about my preferences like you.
flat zephyr
It's not his preferences. It's most of player's preferences
You like to receive 1500 damage in one hit from 400m away😐
deft owl
People wants to nerf everything they dont like. Wg does not nerfs tanks just because of your preferences.
deft owl
Speaking honestly 1500 damage from 400 meters is near impossible. First you have to hit your target and secondly hesh needs to pen it. Believe me you will stuck at first phase.
flat zephyr
It must be strange to you but I got heshed from 400 meters more than you can count
deft owl
That can be before the nerf. That hits doesnt happen anymore.
flat zephyr
So the nerf was fair, then lal ol😐.
Stop your 183 thing
deft owl
Nerf wasnt fair. It has bloody awfull winrate and meh overall damage. Deserves buff.
flat zephyr
183 won't get buffed. Not until others get buffed first
In tier 10 , almost all of tanks are balanced now
supple jolt
Badger noises*
void pewter
tier 10 most balanced tier except for the existence of 183
flat zephyr
But jg needs its 420 back. That's all
deft owl
Especially that camo nerf make it hot garbage. The thing I want it actually not to buff it. Replace the tank with Fv 217 badger.
void pewter
i don't mind the replacement of 183 with a badger, but there's still gonna be a big chunk of 183 players so rip
void pewter
oh you know what else I love, WTs and Grille's blocking my e100 HE shells with their gun and their gun only gets slight damage, the fckin shell would rip that barrel apart but hey you only made it aim worse, oh well
visual nimbus
Whoa cowboy
ebon swift
@void pewter premium AMX is not balanced
median gust
@void pewter Have you ever played grille? HE'd constantly & tunneled by every fat heavy
lucid jewel
How come the Lorraine has less armor than the AMX 13 90
zealous oriole
Because it has a better gun
indigo knot
Doesn't that have same armour as CDC...not sure though
lucid jewel
All I know is that it's a easy t49 he pen which is ridiculous from medium to be penned frontal e. It already has a really hard time putting out damage due to its really long reloads
indigo knot
Don't know about that though I haven't got Lorraine coz its hard to play and I didn't like the amx tier 7 and 8 as well ....but from what I remember t49 can pen cdc and Lorraine easily with he anywhere except to tracks for full rolls though Lorraine is more easy to pen coz it is flat from front and CDC is bit angled....most t49 drivers use calibrated shells too
teal olive
@lucid jewel better for ramming ; ) But yeah Lorraine has pretty bad armor and camo value for a med. I personally love my Lorraine but totally understand your complaint and experience that stuff when playing it. I feel like I could pump at damage a lot more effectively in other tanks
indigo knot
Are you the same jack from crazy tactics???
teal olive
@deft owl and the FV183 is totally broken. It’s a bad tank, yes. But overall breaks gameplay at tier ten. In my opinion I think it should be removed. It’s just not good for balance.
Yes @indigo knot Yes
indigo knot
I miss your videos #off-topic-discussion
teal olive
(Sike I’m not) yeah I wasn’t a fan of his vids but I noticed they haven’t posted in awhile
fallen elbow
The 182mm HESH is what made it op
indigo knot
Oh nvm
fallen elbow
Like the FV (183) has 220mm on its HESH rounds that do 1300 dmg. Pretty much pay 2 win if you ask me.
teal olive
Anyway. FV183. Shouldn’t be in the game, period. Things like the Jageroo are balanced. They have no turret and no crazy pen HESH. And no mobility so any average player in a med can usually outplay it even if they have to take a shot. But the FV can almost always HESH them and in terms of before the nerf, just sit in a bush and stay unspotted while doing it. It broke gameplay and tier ten gameplay overall wasn’t dynamic. It sucked
fallen elbow
Its normal AP and HE are balanced tbh. AP has high pen but low Alpha and the HE has low pen but high alpha
Its just the HESH that made it broken. in my opinion at least
Hmm... Looking at the stats, I wonder if the 183mm is just annoying to play against. The tank has a below 50% win rate
Frustrating would be better with its ability to one shot
violet forum
@teal olive 183 is very easy to counter.
teal olive
You and I counter them easily. But it’s not fun for normal players to constantly get blasted by HESH and for other players to always be afraid of making a move because they know the idiot on the other side of the map is sitting in his 183 waiting for them to do something
glossy estuary
T34. Is it being nerfed. Yes or no?
dim field
Wouldn't be in favor of removing it. re-balance it or nerf it into the ground but don't remove it. Removing tanks is almost always a bad idea.
deft owl
@teal olive Sure replace it with fv217 badger. Easy fix.
@glossy estuary Model rework isnt really a nerf at all. Actually it seems turret cheeks are now a bit more strong.
indigo knot
T34 checks were easy pen with gold rounds
winged barn
You guys are making me want to rebuy my 183
twilit crystal
the 183 is the worst tank in tier ten lol
. It now has the worst hp/ton at tier X,like legimately the worst camo in the game,worst accuracy(although the gun handling is pretty good on the move) and probably one of the easiest targets at tie x with no armor.
quick crown
Have anyone noticed that german tank's guns had accuracy nerfs and some soviet tanks have added cupolas while wargaming doesn't tell us that?
misty quest
#Fix Ping (#FP)
teal olive
@quick crown Wait What? What tanks are they nerfing?? The Germans?
native sky
@Wyoming06 tell us more
quick crown
example u look at the bigger aim curcle of the Panzer 4 G and now the A20 has the cupola
*circle
unique scaffold
hello
rain bough
Hi
mild kindle
Okay I am a little out of date here, but is it true that the tier VIII premium american heavy tank T-34 is getting a mantlet nerf?
flat zephyr
Not a mantlet nerf, it's cupola's nerf
mild kindle
is there anywhere where it was said?
flat zephyr
Not yet but you can see the changes in blitzhanger
mild kindle
wew
wet quail
@sonic summit dont put your email on a public server, just a tip
cyan summit
premium nerf, and it's the t34 lmao
unique scaffold
@sonic summit maybe send a ticket asking why you've been banned?
unique scaffold
<@&481447501690568709> will one of you please delete that account page picture. Pretty please.
worthy basin
@sonic summit be careful with sharing screens like that - it reveals your email address
@unique scaffold 👌
unique scaffold
Thank you.
worthy basin
Thank you for keeping an eye out for stuff like that =)
unique scaffold
Beats sleeping ¯_(ツ)_/¯
sonic summit
ya ik but u cant see the pass
heavy dagger
still, for safety reasons
unique scaffold
@sonic summit
- You being banned has nothing to do with #tank-balance-discussion
- Posting your email address is a horrible idea.
- Nobody here can help you. You need to submit a ticket through the Wargaming support site to get the answers you seek.
teal olive
Of all the broken tier eight premiums... they nerf the T34... the tank was completely balanced and doesn’t deserve the nerf... I mean really. Just another dumb lazy way of balancing tanks... hatches. Total BS
cobalt crane
It was an armor remodel not a nerf 🤔
teal olive
@cobalt crane seems to me like they’re decreasing overall armor effectiveness on the Hatch... however I wouldn’t be opposed to a bit of an “Armor Remodel” on the WZ 120 GFT
kind swallow
Wz need a traverse speed nerf
sonic summit
idek what balance discussion is
humble spear
the discussion of the current state of this game's balance?
sonic summit
well i wouldnt know that because idk the current state cuz im banned
whole dock
I wish they removed the thic part of the wz120gft right under the gun
theres 140mm area under the gun!
I really think this tank is the most op in the game
strong condor
What balance?
jade cargoBOT
archieb21#7363 was muted
quick lichen
@sonic summit so why are you talking here?
lofty nova
the T34 is relatively balanced but hey WG are changing it anyway, either because they clearly dont like the idea of a tank that encourages gameplay other than camping - or its because its the T34
by that i mean its one of the most well known premiums that has been unchanged for eons, changing it opens the doorway for WG to change all premiums without making them collectables first, and so they chose the classic T34 to show the community that they dont care about original promises they made when thousands of people invested in their game
this "balance" to the T34 (and tankenstein) is probably just to set them up to "balance" more and more premiums
cerulean tulip
Why balance tankenstein? It has been powercrept enough already
lofty nova
exactly, although its only really minor changes but the significance or WG changing premiums is the main concern
distant river
I have a theory that this rebalancing of the T34 won't actually happen like the ram II nerf. I think WG might be looking at the communities reaction froms nerfing premiums to see what backlash they will get when they nerf a premium that needs nerfing.
lofty nova
that makes sense, but honestly they should be getting so much more backlash
fingers crossed thats actually whats happening
glossy estuary
Thanks for the info on the T34 guys
dim field
T34 is fairly camp heavy. Usually i see them find a hulldown spot and stay there until somebody goes to them to dig them out or until enough enemies are dead and leave on their own.
distant river
Most hulldown spots are relatively near the front so they are slightly useful opposed to most campers who just sit at the back
sudden pier
T34 is a great tank, personally I think it's the most balanced tank tier for tier
lofty nova
but WG dont 😉
distant river
I probably wouldnt go that far but it is a balanced tank that brings something unique to that tier
sudden pier
So they changed the armour model or something?
lofty nova
reducing armour of its hatch aparently
sudden pier
But y tho
lofty nova
exactly! probably to set the bar and show people that they no longer care about premiums being un-nerfable
T34 is the best place to start if that's their goal
unique scaffold
No, cuz that tank wasn't broken , good start would be t8 TD wz, or hellsing
sudden pier
The WZ-120-1 FT is tOtAlLy balanced
lofty nova
nah i think people look at the wrong side of the coin there
the proportion of people playing the "unbalanced" top rated tanks to the number of people playing the actually unbalanced lower rated tanks is insane (see #screenshots )
unique scaffold
@sudden pier wz 120 1ft is premium?
lofty nova
these top tanks are all balanced and each and every tank in the game has its unique selling points, however as these top tanks are premiums WG have given them more obvious and utilisable selling points that are more obvious to the general player
tanks like the ISU could easily 1v1 a WZ for example, and then other tanks could easily 1v1 the ISU
sudden pier
@unique scaffold
Yeah Chinese premium tier 8 TD
lofty nova
take the RU german light, many people consider that underpowered but in a wide range 1v1 it could out compete tanks like the WZ because of its optics etc, each tank has its own advantages but the advantages in premiums are just more commonly known about and useable so that they sell better
sudden pier
@lofty nova
Ok I get your point
But the WZ-120 is literally broken
lofty nova
yeah i can see why it has an advantage against players who are less familiar with the game, however as a T8 it should be assumed that players in the same tier at least have an idea of how to play (however in practice this isnt the case as there are too many t8 premiums)
even basic and common tech tree tanks like the RHM and ISU could take out a WZ regardless of the skill of the player handling them
The WZ struggles against high pen - or high alpha tanks like those ^ and also tanks like the T34
sudden pier
Yeah but it out performs WAY to many other tanks at it's tier
It straight up counter's most tier 8 heavies and meds
raw oar
Why not nerf the *** tier 7 fantasy tanks ? (I put the * myself so mods Don t need to do it).
dim field
Some premiums (and tanks in general) appear to be rated so highly because players don't want to learn to fight them properly.
Take the Vk 100 for example. People flipped out because they couldn't frontally pen a hulldown Vk with their lights and meds.
raw oar
Vk100P has his role and it is slow.
dim field
Yes, but people refused to learn and just countinued to use their lights and meds in an attempt to fight a hulldown vk from the front. So the Vk got an inflated win rate.
sand plank
i can fight them in a walker bulldog given the situation, its just about tactics and smart thinking.
unique scaffold
@sand plank. Tactics and smart thinking are rare in this game. Sadly they don't sell that bundle in the store.
sand plank
hahahaha great one xD
sudden pier
Lol
gaunt coyote
@lusty silo 5.9 charts coming up soon?
meager spruce
@gaunt coyote asked the same a few days ago, no answer
gaunt coyote
😞
small flame
they seriously need to nerf the vk 72
unique scaffold
What? If anything it's the most balanced t10
grave bear
underpowered*
small flame
you think the vk 72 is balanced?
unique scaffold
It's either balanced or underpowered, idk I haven't played it yet, but there is no way it's op
small flame
its op man it needs nerf
small flame
so then you guys think its balanced or needs a buff?
meager spruce
balanced
small flame
have you played it?
meager spruce
I have went up a lot against it with mediums (Leo1, obj140) and Bat Chat. If you get that juicy side the tank is pretty much dead
it is like an M6A2E1 at tier 10
humble spear
very good frontal armour with weak sides
hidden solstice
The t49 needs AP or it's HEAT fixed
small flame
you dont need to get the sides of the vk 72 thats the thing
unique scaffold
72 has a very weak turret
cunning kindle
^this is fake news
small flame
looking at it from the front, most meds can pen without Heat, and can easily if they load HEAT. none of its armor can be angled. in addition to a garbage gun
humble spear
it resembles a lowe turret but the places where the armour is poorly angled are rare and in between
cunning kindle
Whatever u say m lord
unique scaffold
Wait are you trying to say the tank is too good or too bad?
cunning kindle
Its perfectly balanced
small flame
well i started out by saying it needs a nerf, because starting a chat with "waaaa buff my fave tank" rarely gets the reaction desired
unique scaffold
...
cunning kindle
Tanks that need a buff at t10 in my opinion
Grille (some traverse)
121 (shell velocity)
E4 (idk what buff but that thing has been forgotten since e3 buff)
small flame
and why pray tell do you think the vk 72 is fine as is
cunning kindle
Coz its balanced ._.
In my opinion
small flame
and you have no reasons or logic at all behind that?
cunning kindle
I see nothing underpowered about the tank, its just as good/bad as the e100
Vk trades monster front armor for lesser side armor
Same gun (almost, ik about dpm difference but its negligible)
Same speed (?)
When a vk facehugs something, it's armor is (i daresay) better than a maus or an e100
small flame
the vk does indeed have better frontal armor, but most tanks dont even need pramo to cut through, and using it makes the vk the consistency of butter
the gun is almost the exact same, just bad dpm
the speed is actually worse
when it face hugs yes, it is very good assuming they cant see the huge frontal weakpoint, which a decent number of vehicles can.
my primary issue with the thing is that it is easily penned in huge weakpoints from the front, which is standard, but you cant angle the armor at all
cunning kindle
If ur in a ht or an mt at t10 and a vk is directly facing u, then u need rngesus to pen without Pramo
Cud u show me the weakspots ur talking abt during a facehug?
small flame
during a face hug, its simply that flat bar, but getting there is achallenge due to the speed. I will say, for one on one duels, the vk is straight up insane. but blitz is a team game with 7vs 7, and the armor barely works in one direction. The farther the vk is away from you, the easier it become to pen due to the large triangles on the side under the turret
cunning kindle
Fair enuf den :/
small flame
i mean im not looking to prove a point so much as i am looking for some discourse
meager spruce
@small flame this message is regarding your post its penetrable in the front how is that balanced. Every tank can be penned in the front, so what is your point? If you don't want to get penned so easily get a Maus
small flame
yes, if you read the conversation thats been going on, my issue is that you cant angle any of the armor
meager spruce
as I will say once again, it is like a M6A2E1 at tier 10 @small flame
small flame
stop pinging me, and yeah minus the fact that the vk can be penned in the front, the M6really cant. and the vk is a rear turreted tank, making a poke even more diifficult
meager spruce
M6A2E1 can be penned in the turret ring and cheeks
small flame
yeah and it at least gets gun depression
meager spruce
also there is a small line which can be penned. Gun depression does not matter as the tank is really tall and can peek almost impossible positions
low talon
buff at15a plz, it shouldnt has the worst dispersion factor in game
small flame
theres how many higher tier premiums in the game, and the at15a, the tank we all just recieved for free, is the one you want buffed?
meager spruce
@low talon that is a lie, it does not have the worst dispersion so please get that crap about a buff out of here
humble spear
it has insane bloom, and by insane I mean horrendous
meager spruce
but it is not the worst
low talon
@meager spruce ik the gun dispersion is fine, however it is the worst one on movement or rotation in game
deft owl
@meager spruce At15a has the worst bloom values in game with a 0.36.
small flame
get pinged hard dude
meager spruce
@deft owl he was talking about dispersion first.
i don't really care bout them ¯_(ツ)_/¯
low talon
okay my mistake, can we back to at15a? @meager spruce
meager spruce
Yes.
low talon
thx, i just wanna say it shouldnt be 0.36, kv2 is better than that
small flame
but it has good aim time RoF and dispersion, meaning you can just start shooting
nimble portal
Только по английскому языку тут говорят
low talon
at15a is a front-line tank it need to keep wiggling and shot but it cant due to gun handling
small flame
english server @nimble portal
nimble portal
@small flame и что из этого что English server русских тут полно 😉
small flame
it can @low talon just keep shooting
unique scaffold
Everyone knows every AT tank is bad and you still went for it? Stop complaining now
small flame
i mean, yeah
meager spruce
@nimble portal English please.
unique scaffold
The Garvedigger and the AT They are very strong and hard to hit
deft owl
@unique scaffold Wow thats entirely not correct. At15, At15a and At2 are not bad.
lunar arrow
fallen elbow
I find the Tier VI, VII ATs and the Tortoise to be quite bad. Only exceptions are the AT2 and AT15's
While they have the flexibility and damage potential to hold, their week points are just horrible and can be penetrated by everyone
dusky oxide
The thing about team dependent support oriented tanks is that you should never trust your teammates ever.
late plover
sudden pier
@dusky oxidetrue
Platoons are like the only time they even kinda work
rain salmon
When a VK is getting face hugged ppl can easiky pen its hatch
lunar arrow
@dusky oxide any tanks, not just team dependent ones.
dusky oxide
At least in a fast one you can disengage and still get something done before an inevitable loss, the AT just sits there helpless.
lunar arrow
There is that.
sudden pier
Mhm
tulip harness
How do we put moi?
unique scaffold
KV-2?
lucid robin
Hey, can someone help me because I do not know how to upload mods to skins... Below gives a link to mods https://madwotbmod.wordpress.com/modding-corner/anime-itasensha/
unique scaffold
@lucid robin. What does modding skins have to do with #tank-balance-discussion ?
lucid robin
I did not know where to send so I sent where a lot of people write:/
dusky oxide
Even if i knew how to and this was the right channel i still wouldnt tell you how to import that abomination 😄
sudden pier
Oof
harsh oriole
worst dispersion factor in game? laughs in t25 AT
rain bough
T25 at is good
clever void
I see the nubs want the AT15a buffed now. Where do I insert “told you so”. As I Cruze around and lay hate in my SU-122-44
twin reef
@fallen elbow the tortoise isnt a bad tank in the right hands, i would consistantly get the most damage on both teams in it at about 3,000-4,000 damage a round.
fallen elbow
Every tank is good in the right hands
clever void
AT15a and all it’s brothers are team dependent and situational. I have no sympathy for those that chose it
unique scaffold
Good
distant river
@fallen elbow not really, take a look at the vk30.01d
cyan summit
@lucid robin they changed the file format of the tank skins, so you can't use them... (and wg said taht it's illegal but I used skins for years without a prob x), I didn't find a file converter for the new format so mods are dead for me...
lucid robin
@cyan summit So in short... I can no longer use these skins or do I need to do something to use them???
unique scaffold
Cc🇨🇿 🇨🇿 🇨🇿
cyan summit
let me try a thing
lucid robin
And I found an error in the British tree at all
dusky oxide
Good thing you posted it on the balance channel once again.
teal olive
Is it the damage and pen numbers? Looks like same damage on premium and HE
unique scaffold
@lucid robin. This is #tank-balance-discussion . What you are posting has absolutely zero to do with #tank-balance-discussion . You do understand what the titles of each channel mean... Don't you?
drowsy plaza
<@&481447501690568709> clean up in aisle 7
jade cargoBOT
★ѕєиραι σ ω c α ★#1285 has been warned.
unique scaffold
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flat bane
I still believe m103 and E5 needs an extra 10-20mm of more side armor. 50mm of side armor at t9 and 70 at t10 is a no 😂 😂
teal olive
Lmao you won’t usually get HEd in the E5... and the armor is getting buffed. The thing’s already a beast. Great fun with huge pen and an impenetrable turret with gun depression. And great speed for a heavy... on the other hand... the M103 is just obsolete. Good gun for a heavy and that’s about it.
unique scaffold
When will you sell this deliberately unbalanced and toxic company to a serious one that wants to satisfy customers?
Dont sell it to EA
rigid wigeon
Ea would be better
flat bane
@teal olive I hope what you're exclaiming so adamantly is true. People here said the E5 is obsolete and is not interesting to play.
teal olive
Lol it’s pretty good right now actually. It’s Hull is nothing special but that’s not what the tank is about, not about sidescraping either really. It’s all about using your decent mobility as a heavy to get into power positions and abuse that great turret and gun depression. It’s great on maps like mines or parts of dynasty’s pearl.
cerulean tulip
Somehow the two map examples you give are in my opinion bad maps
flat bane
Lol alright thx
jaunty elbow
No more RNG
rigid wigeon
“But bouncing gray armor is fun” - said no body ever
flat zephyr
I say
unique scaffold
In agreeing with Jack it can be a very dominant tank on the medium flank on port bay if you know how to use gun depression
lunar dirge
Anyone want to play?
indigo knot
Waffle is a tier 10 td
magic burrow
hello
teal olive
@cerulean tulip they just popped into mind. They were the last two maps that I remembered getting rekt by an E5 on. As soon as one of those things gets the high ground on you as a heavy tank, you’re as good as dead
@unique scaffold that map came to mind aswell. Heavy side on the ridge or even med side. It can do both
thick lion
Hi people)
distant river
@indigo knot indeed it is
steep crown
Just got the M 26 pershing and find it very underwhelming and compared against every t8 med I've played it is no match! thoughts?
meager spruce
@steep crown you literally said what is on everyones' mind "underwhelming". The tank is only good against new players and in Mad Games
steep crown
I'm lucky it's 5x xp
crystal spoke
I really enjoyed the m26
unique scaffold
Play the Pershing like you played the T20. Flank and work ridge lines. It is a decent tank but you've got to play it smart.
fringe apex
Im sry, i know this isnt the good Chanel but there is no chanel for what i want to Say
Pls Wg, rewiew the matchmaking ! Their are to munch batle in witch im am the only player with more than 50%
This isn't fun at all, just lose because of my teams all the time, pls do a matchmaking by players level not only tanks !
distant river
Average WR is 47% so you shouldnt expect everyone to have over 50%
marble nexus
I had the pershing ages ago then sold it,it’s too weak & gets penned far too easily by better tanks & it’s not fast enough to escape...or didn’t used to be anyway...I never progressed any further up that tree although the tier 9 is researched...
flat zephyr
Pershing has quite good turret armor. It suffers AP pen but the apcr compensates that one
fringe apex
@distant river but at t8-10 I can expect a team in witch everyone is not camping behind an rhm
dusky oxide
Ypu can but you'll be let down once in a while
distant river
@fringe apex over 50% people camp a lot of the time too 🤷
fringe apex
And I just told that whan the average wr of my team is 45% it is unfair that the average wr of the other team is 52-3%
dusky oxide
No its not if its random. Furthermore, its not a subject for this channel
fringe apex
One time is ok, but it became every batle, it is really disgusting
dusky oxide
Most not-that-good players fail because they dont know what their tanks role is and they lack awareness. I believe this is why we have so many TD players. Both of those things are way easier to do in a TD.
unique scaffold
@fringe apex. The only way to guarantee there is a 60% wr player on your team is to become that 60%wr player. Other players have done this despite the MM and you can as well.
Also #general-blitz-discussion is where you want to talk about this
dusky oxide
@fringe apex your problem isnt caused by matchmaking, its caused by a playerbase that just isnt as good as you want it to be. Its a mobile game and has no effective tutorials or enough incentives to get better. Its all balanced and designed to compensate for the avg players lack of experience. Have you ever considered that if the avg player would be better it would make you worse?
lament vessel
@fringe apex rating has a well balanced mm tho...
unique scaffold
I have a question
small flame
7
frank belfry
Pls do buff T49 pen from 167 to 175mm at least along with calibrated shell maybe 195mm.
unique scaffold
Yes i do think a slight buff in penetration and module damage is in order, they nerfed rightfully the T49, but they nerfed it too much.
rigid wigeon
^
clever void
🙄
sudden pier
The M103 is definitely obsolete
scenic plinth
M103 needs a buff along with the t28s
flat bane
Yes, the 103 needs a armor buff
visual nimbus
Don’t think M103 is needs any buff.
It’s solid all around
teal olive
Obsolete
visual nimbus
You have to remember tier 9s go up against tier 8s buffing M103 would make it even harder than it already is to deal with. It holds up against tier 10 fairly well actually just hull down and keep the turret moving.
hollow mason
And what the connection with the game balance?
rare basalt
Pushhhh
silver pawn
#tank-balance-discussion t-34-1 and t-34-2 buff for the 122mm. Dpm increase at 2000? Not for the other canons.
T37 have a good dpm but it's too slow for a Light. Kv13 have a super dpm ! But à lack of depression.
Don't strenghed the cuppola of kv1s please it's enough trool like that.
Sorry for m'y bad english
solid forge
How can M103 be underpowered, it is very good to play even on the 2nd gun.
If it is made to HULLdown, you should hide the HULL.
white vessel
Its turret is garbage
grave bear
it has horrible huge turret, no hull and no sides, it has just okay mobility. m103 is useless to play when you have is8, st-1 or conqueror
cerulean tulip
M103 has an unreliable turret
rare basalt
🤗
empty ice
I have the mauchen and sti at the moment, once I get the Maus and is4 I have all the tanks I need / want (except the fv4005)
weary spindle
orchid grove
latent snow
Oh no it’s here
formal marten
soon every match will be filled with tanks that have 122mm guns
torn cliff
Balance discussion ,, Defender : hello
tropic sorrel
You guys think the Obj 252 is worth it?
indigo knot
I think not
tropic sorrel
@indigo knot doesn't it have the same broken armor profile as the IS-7?
cerulean tulip
Is7 broken armor profile? Is7 armor isn't broken
tropic sorrel
You know what I mean. russian bias profile
cerulean tulip
Far from broken is4 has a better armor profile
tropic sorrel
how? that thing is so easily penned
unique scaffold
Nice the new heavy tank 👌
pastel nimbus
It's just another premium soviet heavy
elfin cobalt
Idk, seems like an IS5 with better armour
pastel nimbus
Like the A-20 HE shell: WHY
grave bear
obj252u is not is5 with better armor, obj252u is IS7 with better armor, except lower plate.
it has 465 mm effective pike nose, is7 has around 340.
pastel nimbus
cough Pay2Win cough
terse drum
....... Wotb is now dead
terse drum
@rugged patio defender ?
rugged patio
Nope, the regular one
elfin cobalt
Yeah that's some solid armour
jade cargoBOT
Hans Grüber#3918 has been warned.
terse drum
Standard is 3 not good, is 5 is Better and defender
jade cargoBOT
MDLeadeR_без_Титулов[🇺🇦TuLuLu]#6659 has been warned.
foggy pecan
lmao
river portal
Do you guys know that defender got stronger upper plate than is4 and is7?
river portal
When face hugging its op
elfin cobalt
It has a fat lower glacis
unique scaffold
Don't let it face hug you ¯_(ツ)_/¯
this hatch lets anyone in - gotta buy ivan as a bouncer
elfin cobalt
Oh yea, you can pen the hatch
grave bear
You cant pen the hatch. it's 55mm
you pen the cupolas, 150mm and 1/5 the size of vk100's one, which is just 175mm. lower plate is weak, but still better than angled vk100's lower plate. the turret is just thr best one at tier 8. T32 has easier cupola hits. his upper plate is the strongest in the whole game. nothing has 465mm upper plate.
you all complained about vk100 and get it netfed, now do the same with obj252U which is 1k times more broken, or you all that complained against vk100 are just fake hypicrites
indigo knot
How about e100 front upper hull....it is the strongest
grave bear
@indigo knot e100's one is 420mm effective.
obj263's one is 460
grave bear
yeah, 465mm upprr plate at tier 8, put +4% armor and you'll bounce with this pike nose at any angle
slow tiger
+4% = 484mm
grave bear
the highest heat pen at tier 7-8 can just reach 363mm of pen. this tank with 465mm of upper plate has just no reason of exist
Just fot comparison, the slowest biggst super heavy tier 8, has 368 upper plate at best angle
dusky oxide
At least they didnt give the obj252U 440 alpha. I can still imagine how easy it is to get decent results in it even if you suck. They gave it very good pen though...
slow tiger
wait, are you talking abt the vk100p now or the new tank?
grave bear
@dusky oxide but they gave to it the highest module damage at tier 8 heavy tank, the same as vk100
dusky oxide
Thats not very wise :D
slow tiger
wished the obj 252u could have been tier 9
grave bear
at the BEST angle, vk100 can reach Just 173 mm of lower plate.
west torrent
@unique scaffold thats the angle you have to be to start penning the front hatch
grave bear
Obj252U has a pike nose but since it's unpentrable can anyway do sidescrape like vk100, but with a better turret
@west torrent basically never in a normal battle lol, unless he's going downhill and you're camping in the highest sniper spot
west torrent
A Higher pen tank (some heavies and TDs) can pen the flat surface right under the turret with pramo
grave bear
@west torrent the only weakspot is the turret base, super small but its 30mm (i mean the engine deck , but therr is no engine so idk how to call it
noble siren
So they neefed German tank which was well balanced but they added Russian Overpowered tank which can deal like 1vs4 and win? Just great...
grave bear
@noble siren this tank can deal vs tiers X. e100 for a time had THE SAME ap pen as this tsnk. and they also wrote it in thr tank's description.
grave bear
i hope this tank has a special matchmaker which doesnt allow it to match tiers 7.
west torrent
The top pick is the plate I was talking about, right below gun @grave bear
grave bear
@west torrent try to angle it like a german heavy, it can still do the job
dusky oxide
Do you think it can reach wz1201ft levels?
grave bear
tell me why this tank has the same crew damage as 128mm guns
@dusky oxide LMAO wz120ft is a joke compared to this
after this tank, Wz110's armor profile and the tank itself becames TOTALLY useless
and probably also other tanks are totally useless because this thing exists
carmine spear
IS6 is useless now
dusky oxide
@grave bear just by how much easier it is to do well or do you think it has more potential in a match. I'd still rather buy the wz since i like all-rounder TD characteristics more than HT characteristics. The obj can still control an engagement with its armor even with its low dpm but it will not work as well against skilled opponents. Skilled players are rare though.
grave bear
@dusky oxide i think i would crash everyone in obj252U as i do in tiger P
dusky oxide
@grave bear gonna buy it?
grave bear
obv not, 43€ for a mobile f2p game is too much for my mind
im going to buy TeS VI or some other real game soon
sudden pier
Oof
autumn geyser
Well done wg for obj 252u now
You gonna lose your players on this game too
Time for mission marathons on this game.
unique scaffold
So much for angling making a pike nose ineffective
teal olive
Push the tank up to tier nine. It’d still do good tbh. I’m not even going to discuss all the reasons why its broken. Anyone with half a brain knows how powerful it is and that it’s simply not fair.
crystal spoke
Careful they might complain about you saying that
unique scaffold
Then I'm gonna complain that there complaining about me
Tier 8 Su-101 can pen it easily. It has 258 ap pen and 340 HEAT. I dont see the problem
iron hearth
people just like to complain like they did with the krysler i mean even tier 6 can pen 150/160 mm lower plate 😂
orchid grove
@unique scaffold this is the problem: 418mm of HEAT pen not being enough to pen the upper plate
teal olive
No no no it’s okay the tank is balanced
unique scaffold
@orchid grove yeah I see the problem but still you can flank it with faster tanks so it's not a problem in my eyers
teal olive
It’s fine if the highest pen in the game still has a good chance of bouncing it even if it’s two tiers up. Oh also @unique scaffold have you heard of spaced armor, buddy? Yeah well this tank has TONS of it and it doesn’t care if it gets flanked by some puny light
orchid grove
@teal olive there’s actually close to 0 spaced armor on it; just tons of heavily angled armor
noble siren
Imagine the situation:
Your are playing tournament on tier 8 and bunch of P2W players use 7 obj 252U against your team
prime viper
Ill use a t28 def problem=solution
Ill just have my p2w team use all there good tier 8 prems
coarse harness
That's why T8 tour is trash
leaden flare
you dont need a prem to beat that tank ... yes its really strong but less then 200mm are needed for the lower plate so go for that or flank
humble spear
can deal with it just fine in the T-44
unique scaffold
Can I get free tanks
meager spruce
yes, it is called a tech tree
unique scaffold
HE in ru 251 is so op
hushed patrol
If you get one of them, which one you choose? T34 vs Lowe (tier8)
charred bobcat
Those armor values dont really say much
hushed patrol
i know, but if you had for free which one you would choose?
indigo knot
Lowe
hushed patrol
i hope many players says their opinion.
raw flame
This is balanced. Very balanced
Thanos would like this, its balanced as all thing should be
unique scaffold
💦
magic burrow
hello
grave bear
Why did they buff the arl44???
No one:
Wg: let's buff arl44!
it was already good, bad sides and rear with average turret and very strong frontal hull, good mobility and Amazing pen
unique scaffold
If I rember well then they have buffed turret side armor , which is still useless , now you just cant get penned by HE from another arl44
small flame
its always been very popular
indigo knot
Wz120ft vs 252udef which is more OP
meager spruce
WZ120ft
small flame
agreed
unique scaffold
wait arl was buff?
silver pawn
What ?
charred narwhal
It was tier 6 tanks that were buffed (I think)
unique scaffold
im gonna chek
distant river
All tier 6 heavies were buffed
empty ice
arls not even that good
deft owl
Obj 252u needs buff (!).
cobalt crane
all u guy crying about the 252u and its not even good
unique scaffold
obj 252 U I will talk about this topic in my opinion, the tank is not very good or too weak has its advantages and disadvantages he was a challenge for me and in the fight 1 vs 1 this tank won only because the penetration failed I shot at his weaknesses but the bullets did not all enter even though I was aiming for the bottom plate the tank was able to deflect the bullet I hope that as the penetration will finally be improved, such situations will be the least
this tank performs a good job in experienced hands but it can also be easily sent to the garage often penetration fails
covert stump
I want that tank but it’s like 48 bucks after tax
unique scaffold
RNG it can be malicious in some situations
covert stump
My t28 couldn’t pen it. Not even the t34 with gold rounds pierce its upper plate
unique scaffold
the premium vehicle can not be weakened you can only improve it to make it better this is a new tank and you have to learn to fight it If you gain experience in fighting this vehicle, it will not be a challenge for you @deft owl
brisk lily
the 252u's lower plate is very weak every tier 8 can go though it
also dpm isn't the greatest
unique scaffold
creators know what they are doing In most cases and sometimes spoil something that is good
due to statistics
covert stump
Not even the bagger can pierce
I think it’s cus if the angle the armor is. It will always bounce the shot no matter the caliber
unique scaffold
the penetration is soon to be improved, we will see how I will be after the changes in the 6.0 update
brisk lily
well we're talking about the upper plate which is angles at ridiculous angles with thick armour
kinda not surprised that many tanks at even tier 10 wouldn't pen
If the 252u didn't have that insane upper piked nose it would just become another 122mm russian heavy tank
which would not sell the 252u at all
unique scaffold
if you have problems with penetration, send videos thanks to them, there is a chance that the creators will be able to fix problems
covert stump
I want the tank but it’s 48 dollars after tax
brisk lily
Well the 252u is legendary in World of Tanks for being very OP so of course they would sell it for a high price
although it should of been sold for gold
rustic fossil
@hushed patrol Lowe
sudden pier
O
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold they were just remaking few models of heavy tanks , like weaker armor on tankestein viewfinders
fluid heart
Can I ask a legitimate question
clever void
No such thing allowed here
ripe prawn
Obj. 252U is not too OP, i think
wet wharf
how much would it cost?
sudden pier
O
unique scaffold
It would be perfectly balanced for me if they would buff toger 2
Cuz it is just mem for both pc and blitz
rare basalt
💤
unique scaffold
this channel kinda dead
iron lynx
Nah, it's just that most of NA is asleep
hexed latch
Selling 252U is big mistake i think
iron lynx
I don't know, its lower plate seems kinda big
mellow cape
252U is insanely OP. It's basically an IS-4 in terms of the upper front plate (stronger actually, often goes to 400mm+) and the turret is also insanely OP with small and hard to hit weak spots. Not enough? Don't worry it also comes with 420 alpha for some reason rather than the 400 on other 122mm guns.
humble spear
It seriously isn't. Face it in battle first and you'll see 1) It's huge lower plate. You can't hide this on every map, sidescraping won't help as you'll overangle your side. Speaking of your side, 2) It's huge, flat and a 100mm thick. 3) Horrible gun stats except for pen and alpha. Probably worse than the IS-5 and garbage dpm the tank can not defend itself when circled by a medium/light.
unique scaffold
Y’all should add a new mode where u can train with a variety of different level bots.
cunning kindle
That already exists, play randoms for low lvl bots, ratings for high lvl bots
mellow cape
@humble spear I have faced it in battle and even when playing a ST-I the entire upper plate and turret is pretty much a bounce, even with HEAT (374mm heat pen mind you). The lower glacis being huge isn't a concern when you are hull down and the hatches are very hard to hit. I did defeat it since the guy playing it wasn't very good at playing it but in the hands of an experienced player, this thing will destroy pretty much anything it faces. I have an IS-5 myself and just looking at how noobs handle the tank, I can safely say that this is much much better than any other IS-3 clone before it.
iron lynx
Upper plate a bounce of course.
You'd need more than 400 pen to go through it head on.
mellow cape
The DPM is close enough to that of the IS-5 and as for mobility it's not too far behind either.
Hull + turret traverse takes it upto 60 degrees/s on hard terrain, well enough to deal with pretty much any circling tank.
This tank needs to be nerfed, it's on par with the WZ 120-1 FT in terms of how OP it is
unique scaffold
This tank needs to be nerfed, it's on par with the WZ 120-1 FT in terms of how OP it is
iron hearth
For me the thing that balances out the tank is the trash gun and the gigantic lower plate to me its balanced enough at least when you are facing tier 8 tanks
magic burrow
hello
dusky oxide
Youre using a borsig at an elevated level for reference of t8 tanks pen? The gun isnt even that bad as it get the best pen and alpha out of the other 122 soviet heavies and does a lot more module dmg. Just because the gun is inaccurate doesnt mean the tank will be weighed back by it in every situation. @iron hearth
dusky oxide
This should worry you as a td player
dusky oxide
The common t8 heavy is 10 meters tall and always has 250mm pen? @iron hearth
iron hearth
You know the t34 uses gun depression right ?
dusky oxide
Theres tier x td guns that cant pen that upper plate.
iron hearth
And yes 230/40 is very common at tier 8
dusky oxide
@iron hearth thats another thing the 'common tier 8 heavy' just doesnt have
215-235 is common, 248 isnt @iron hearth
distant river
@iron hearth that tank is known for its great pen, the 252u is angled and the T34 is floating in the sky sonewhere
iron hearth
Tier 6 medium 300m away no premiun ammo
distant river
T6 medium known for its amazing pen*
dusky oxide
@iron hearth look. When you pose a tank in armor inspector your supposed to put the tank youre shooting and the shooter on flaft ground. Youre supposed to angle tank at its hardest to pen angle because thats where it would be when youre facing it in a battle. You dont put the shooter 15 meters higher than the tank getting shot.
Like this
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide can you give me the link of that
iron hearth
You can do basically the same thing with a 1500 gold tank yhat has a better gun and better mobility
unique scaffold
@iron hearth give me link for that
iron hearth
Im on my phone rn search on google armor inspector wot
distant river
@iron hearth is5 has half the effective thickness of the upper plate and same thickness of the lower plate
meager spear
distant river
@meager spear read the pinned messages
dusky oxide
@iron hearth the drivers hatch on the obj isnt even a weakspot
@unique scaffold armor inspector? Its an app. Though if you want to inspect premium models i think u need to pay. But a very good app nonetheless.
iron hearth
Call me crazy but i would rather sacrifice 20% of armor and have good mobility better gun and a small lower plate and pay only 1500 gold than having a 252u btw i own a 252u and believe me half of the shots miss when with the is5 8/10 go in
dusky oxide
@iron hearth then why did you waste 40€ on it? 😂 😂 You can keep telling us how a you think the tank is balanced because its effectivesess is limited in situations a heavy tank doesnt fit as well in but thats the case for all similar tanks. This tank just outperforms any other t8 heavy in a close range situation and has enough mobility and more camo to not get caught out in unfavorable situations. And the tank does way better than others in the hands of someone that is inexperienced. Any 45%er can get decent results because that armor profile will save them countless times and the guns amazing pen and high alpha means that getting dmg is ridiculously easy.
distant river
When the next performance charts come out noone will be able to argue
dusky oxide
I dont think it will be included. The wz is hidden from new ones because they dont make up at least 1% of the tanks in matches.
distant river
@dusky oxide im seing it every 3 or 4 battles so it should be included
dusky oxide
But youre not incorrect. Time will tell.
iron hearth
Take in mind the charts show the performance of people that are above 56% so the fact that noobs will do decent on it doesnt mean the tank is op
dusky oxide
@distant river i see then often too :D I mean, if i had one id play it religiously too
@iron hearth yes it definitely does :D why do you think the kv220t has such impressive stats
distant river
^^^
iron hearth
And btw i bought the tank not because i wanted an op tier 8 premium but just to campare the performance with my other tier 8 tanks and so far i have the lowest damage of all my tier 8 heavies on it
dusky oxide
The obj is so good on wot pc because it allows an inexperienced player to rush in, bounce shots easily and not have to expose a lot because the alpha on it is 440. Its basically the most noob friendly tank. And the same traits are present here as well.
@iron hearth im not judguing you for ehat you spend on the game. Its your money. And its good to hear from someone that actually has played the tank and has reference of other similar tanks.
iron hearth
The point is that for the majority of the players penning this tank will be hard but a experienced one will have no problem dealing with it
dusky oxide
And how big a part of the playerbase do you find 'experienced' lol
distant river
@iron hearth thats literally what makes a tank OP, most of the playerbase are 45% people who just shoot at a silhouette
iron hearth
Then most tier 8 heavies are op vk 1000 p, wz 112-2 amx m4 49 by this logic
distant river
People have actually learnt how to deal with a vk100 which is really surprising, 112 2 is easy to pen and is rarely seen and m4 49 is a great tank thats close to being OP but you still dont see many of them
dusky oxide
Just because you and me know how to counter it doesnt mean the rest if the team or even playerbase does @iron hearth
Well have you seen m4 49s and vks performance charts?
iron hearth
i did and they have pretty good performances but i have never seen someone complain about the m4 49 but people going nuts for the obj only bacuese on the pc version is crazy op
in my opinion wg did a good job balancing such an op tank
dusky oxide
M4 49 is not extremely easy to play and the armor profile is weighed back by the tall silhouette. The defender pc version is similar to the blitz version. It still too easy to do well in. Armor, pen, alpha and just some extra camo to compensate for lack of skill and knowledge.
iron hearth
having camo in this tank is pretty useless if you have this kind of accuracy
distant river
@iron hearth doesnt stop a lot of people camping in it
iron hearth
45% players who bought the tank dont even know what camo means and how it works they would camp with every tank
dusky oxide
They still benefit from it in normal gameplay by getting spotted less. The other is tanks dont even get such benefit.
I just realized what a nightmare this tank will be for me. (@260m)
Its a good thing t34-3 has good heat but that thing has a million angles
At least im not a T49 player PepeLaugh
iron hearth
when you have the same dpm of a 460 alpha gun and worse gun handling
both armor are crazy good against 45 % players
dusky oxide
The vk is not a tank you can travel around the map with. It has none of thr versatility the obj offers. Its only good in a corridor battle.
The obj even has 6° gd which makes hiding the lower plate easier. You cant compare it to a vk and exoect them to be of the same level in charasteristics.
iron hearth
yeah but thats the problem the obj doesnt excell in any aspect worse gun at tier 8 , mediocre mobility if compared to other is tanks, good armor but with weakspots, gigantic lower plate and 2 copolas in the turret take in mind most russian heavies dont have weakspots in the turret
hazy lichen
Which means they did a good job balancing it
iron hearth
that is what i was saying its not a bad tank but its not crazy op either
void pewter
most russian heavies do have weakpoints in the turret uwu, just shoot near the gun on both sides usually does the trick
dusky oxide
@iron hearth All russian t8s have a roof weakpoint. What they dont have is a frontally inpenetrable UFP. Do you realize how easy it is to hide a lower plate? You cant call the gun the worst as it has 225 pen and the second best alpha. Theres not many tanks that have amazing armor and a gun with good pen and alpha at the same time while still retaining very useable mobility and a 20/15% camo value and only 2% less dpm than an is3. Its the killer combo, every core aspect of this tank is easy to use by any kind of player.
acoustic burrow
Is 3 turret it s very hard to hit it , maybe crazy rng to hit hatch
dusky oxide
@acoustic burrow it doesnt need that prominent of a turret weakspot because the hull isnt as tough compared to other is models.
acoustic burrow
Yeah , i mean this obj is a really balanced tank , not like wz and scorpion g
dusky oxide
Whats wrong with the skorp?
Its thinly armored so noobs who dont understand the playstyle will always fail. They will camp ineffectively though.
acoustic burrow
I mean the dpm it s little to much
dusky oxide
Yeah but its about how easy it is to use that dpm. Look at the camo values it has. And its thin as paper.
Yeah... The obj has similar camo vales to a td
acoustic burrow
Even maus have more camo than that lol
dusky oxide
The wz has like 40 stationary :D
lament vessel
@weak burrow they wont nerf a expensive premium...
jagged dawn
They need to balance the Jackson
crystal spoke
@jagged dawn how do you propose they do that?
lament vessel
@weak burrow lmao, they wont nerf it.
Or you buy obj, or play another tier...
@jagged dawn WG nerf/buff tanks according to their graphics .If the tank is underperforming in 55wr- 65wr players hands, it will be buffed...
crystal spoke
@weak burrow then just continue to play for free
lament vessel
@weak burrow You can pick tier 8 VK for free... it is op lol
crystal spoke
Yeah or if you hate the game that much just dont play it nobody is forcing you
jagged dawn
Oh ok
lament vessel
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modern rapids
Actually
quick lichen
Do it
jade cargoBOT
YoPantoufleeeNicoHere#4698 was banned
jagged dawn
Owo
modern rapids
I had enough of scrolling and seeing F every message
heavy dagger
oh wow
lament vessel
👌
crystal spoke
Lol anyway how would you suggest they balance it? @jagged dawn
jagged dawn
More armor
acoustic burrow
Obj @crystal spoke?
crystal spoke
No he suggested that wg needed to balance the m36
jagged dawn
It can get one tier by any thing
crystal spoke
One tier?
jagged dawn
*Destoryed by anything"
crystal spoke
Ah and yeah it's not supposed to be an upfront brawler
jagged dawn
Yea but if I stay back, everyone "on my team" wants to ban me.
crystal spoke
Just second line it but dont snipe it can manage to bounce some rounds but not much
jagged dawn
Yea
crystal spoke
It works well for me that way
quick lichen
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unique scaffold
I don't think the M36 is unbalanced
drowsy plaza
It’s OPAF
unique scaffold
Hellcat = more manouverability
Jackson = more DPM
I don't see unbalance
drowsy plaza
If anything it could use a nerf. It’s a broken Seal Clubber.
crystal spoke
He was meaning that the m36 wasnt as good
But I think that was mostly how he was using it
unique scaffold
Jackson is the reason I don't use the ARL 44, I prefer its DPM to the heavy chassis
crystal spoke
I play both since I'm grinding the 44
deft owl
Jackson isnt really op. It was underpowered before the buff. Now its fine.
runic estuary
Well there's a choice between the Cat and Jackson....Same gun,but one is slow but decent armor(comparable to M6)
Other has no armor,but crazy fast
shell mirage
been playing for 2 months and already bored of the maps so add some more
near wing
252 side armor is broken the tracks increases the side armor up to 330
west aspen
Yah even from a BL-10 side armour and HEAT of T49 at its A$$ bounces off
Too thick armour on 252U
runic schooner
Rip IS3
It's once dominant career being a Tier VIII tank was ruined by VK 100 and Obj 252U
mellow cape
this tank is OP, I don't see any arguments against that
west aspen
Yes its OP
runic schooner
Need to nerf Vk 100 and Obj 252U :p
west aspen
But players are suffering to Pen it
Often in global chat they speak about the high armours on 252U
runic schooner
Yea, Even tier 9's have trouble
west aspen
Forget tier 9
Even ISU top gun having penetration of Tier X cant pen its sides
The frontal turret is thick whereas back one is too weak😆
mellow cape
Vk 100 is fine tbh, this thing is much stronger than the VK
VK 100 has quite an easy to hit and pen hatch for t8 heavies and lacks the mobility this thing has, and is also much taller and has worse traverse
coarse harness
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pliant basin
Hi
unique scaffold
Jo
pliant basin
@unique scaffold whats up your mama
cobalt crane
@shell mirage there is more maps once you progress to higher tiers
unique scaffold
Hi
noble siren
Vk100 is our last hope to fight against the unbalanced russian tanks.
distant river
- JPII has joined the fight *
noble siren
Vk100 was fine before the nerf but kiddos playing russian tanks cried about it and ot got nerfed
noble siren
Because its OP?
unique scaffold
Yes
noble siren
Thank you that you admit it
unique scaffold
Np
dusky oxide
The only reason is4 is op is because it wouldnt be as popular as the legendary is7 otherwise.
deep robin
Yes you are right, however do you think the IS4 will end up getting a nerf any time soon. Like the IS7? As it is OP currently tbh.