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#tank-balance-discussion
fast meteor
whole nebula
Kpfpz doesn’t have the dpm for tier 10, armouris only in the turret. It’s not out of balance by specs
Actually one of the worst dpm in the tier, batchat needs an acceleration nerf first lol
fast meteor
For batchat it has a dmp that compensates for the whole tank
white vessel
You know that parameters can be changed?
whole nebula
So in the mass of fellow nubs out there I must be finding pro batchat players, fair enough... and whoever nerfed the vk100.01 needs a good old back alley beating. Can’t do much in that tank now
unique scaffold
@clever void this "nub" single handedly beat every top clan in a 1v7
fast meteor
🤔 hacker...maybe hopefully am not stupid
twilit crystal
http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/88850-upcoming-balance-adjustments/page__st__1100__p__1611497#entry1611497 can anyone tell me what the youtube video ribble posted says? Is it a meme NO
whole nebula
Kpfpz is just fine as it is, see it loses, might do top damage in all of these games, might not. Lol
rugged trail
Idk what everyone means that the nerf for the vk was too much, I still did 4K dmg and bounced shells easily
little canyon
Anyone know how much they might buff t 150s hp?
twilit crystal
prob like what it had originally before +1-1 mm
tulip forum
maus not only thick, but op https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLYg7-gVzKU&t=84s
deft owl
@little canyon Blitzhangar says 50 hp.
@fossil crag Nerf Is-4 but i dont see a reason to buff is-7 when t57 heavy and amx 50 b has way worse overall winrate. Yes Is-7 has worse overall damage but when is-7 suppose to be a damage dealer? Its suppose to have a crappy gun because a tank cannot boasts a good gun when it has already have good mobility and armor profile.
brisk lily
I've carried in autoloaders before
gloomy dragon
Yes, but carrying in an autoloader typically requires a team to feed off of. Unless you can consistently retreat, reload, and dole out your burst damage, an autoloader is easy pickings once the clip is spent.
unique scaffold
If you're lucky, the enemy team wont take the opportunity to get after you
raw flame
the thing about autoloaders, is you can dump a perfect 1200 clip in but then you have to watch your team bleed 3000 over the course of your 24 second reload while not being able to do anything
and unlike other heavies autoloaders dont have good armour so you cant really be in the fight all the time and if you're team wants to get massacred during your reload there's not much you can do about it. the only auoloader in the game with good winrate is the is3 defender becuase it can actually take hits and bounce shells during its reload
quick lichen
“What about the kranvagn? That has armor”
floral zodiac
Game won't load is there an update I'm not aware of
quick lichen
@floral zodiac what does that have to do with #tank-balance-discussion ?
floral zodiac
Pardon me for posting in the wrong spot princess
meager spruce
@floral zodiac and you are about to get muted or warned by the "princess"
deft owl
@quick lichen Kranvagn armor is balanced by crappy pen values and long intra-clip times.
twilit crystal
t57 needs a buff. Amx can solo carry atleast with good players. Its mobility + great pen+autoloader makes it very useful in many situations
quick lichen
@floral zodiac queen or khaleesi thank you
Very rarely can a clipper solo carry against anything more than one shots
floral zodiac
@meager spruce why forgiving her a compliment
dusky oxide
Its lonely and risky to be one of the only meds on a team because not many players have enough awareness to know how and when to flank an enemy. I wish meds were more popular and served the average playerbase better. At least on tier 10
clever void
I won’t flank aggressively in that situation unless enemy has a weaker med. I’ll instead passively spot flank until I get a better idea of enemy plan before I push it
twilit crystal
id rather be the only med bottom tier than be in a med heavy match up as top tier
clever void
Well yes. You just need to stay alive to bring home The cookies
lament vessel
@quick lichen my Queen 😍
quick lichen
@lament vessel 🔥
dusky oxide
@clever void thats whats so limiting about it. Half a map becomes unused for a long period because a class that benefits from it the most is unpopular.
clever void
One thing I’m slowly getting better at is when you sense a weakness on flank how aggressively to exploit it. Don’t see the 183 all the time
dusky oxide
@twilit crystal I like being the underdog in that occasion as well but med heavy matchups are rare in t10. In lights I prefer the bc ap over the 25t just for feeling that that tier x matchups have become very invariable.
@clever void true, analyzing whats around you and reacting to it is the most influential way to improve performance. Ive realized that its not such a big deal if you dont have lighning fast reflexes as long as you account for it with planning.
torpid charm
Buff the Tankenstein's DPM or armor/mobility. Thanks.
frozen nymph
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quick lichen
Module damage*
unique scaffold
Van magyar
calm ruin
How can we reduce the loss %
junior tulip
@calm ruin play good
calm ruin
That change nothing
unique scaffold
Play better. Win more
junior tulip
^
calm ruin
Thks
tepid crest
Siema
orchid grove
Do more damage
tranquil knot
pls buff my BT-sv why you nerfed it i dont know but you have destroyed it
iron lynx
Is tier 3 so
who cares anyway
spark badge
I remember back in the day where meds ruled the t ten meta but once the heavys got their buffs it went to the tds and so now the is4 is op compare to any other heavy
spark badge
Hull dow, the is4 can even bounce 183 shots !!
dim field
I think they meant the packet loss.
shrewd kiln
Every Tier 10 Heavy can bounce 183 shots.
twilit crystal
actually im pretty sure the 183 is like the only tank in the game that can pen the is4 turret
frozen nymph
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deft owl
Is4 turret cheek is penable with gold rounds however you need to pray to rng to hit there.
shy wren
It’s super small, but pennable
deft owl
@iron lynx Just because you dont doesnt mean others dont do too. Some people payed real money to buy those low tier premiums. Saying "its only tier 3 who cares" doesnt make the situtation any better.
main tulip
Off topic but I'm trying to learn russian so wg may favour me more
twilit crystal
the 183 doesnt need that. Its the only tank that can overmatch is4 roof
soft egret
i do hope all of you relize the deathstar can pen any tank with hesh
for those of you that say it cant or can pen certain tanks over others
lunar niche
soft egret
now do hesh
lunar niche
That roof is at 520-30mm effective.
@soft egret In paper, 183 can HESH IS4's LFP but it doesn't happen while in battle due to angles/movements. That troll LFP bounces 258 AP pen.
soft egret
eh i dont think you get what im saying @lunar niche im saying that the deathstar's hesh pens any tank anywhere no matter how they angle
lunar niche
U mean splash damage?
soft egret
do you know what hesh's actually purpose was on the battlefield
shy wren
@twilit crystal 75mm of armor isn’t overmatchable by a 183mm gun
ashen plank
It really made me sad when the nerfed the T1E6. They should bring back the bigger magazine.
ashen niche
Devs this is still popping up and i can't login , been trying this all day. Did all the things i could like uninstalling and installing the game in steam and still no luck.
toxic current
Wait for tomorrow
indigo knot
I hope Is4 is nerfed after the mobile masters
warm oasis
Nah, I think IS-4 is fine
prime mist
I just think for tanks with 150mm+ caliber get nerfed
keen lynx
WZ 120 1 FT need to get nerc Lol
That tank can pen all the tanks easily... i saw two of our team8s died in 1 shot they got ammorack and if that wz start dancing it will be hard to destroy that tank or pen
But i love i
brisk lily
Premium tanks don’t get nerfed
Unless you make it a collector tank
dim field
They don't need to make it a collector to nerf and i don't think they'd nerf it even if they did make it a collector. It's basically the closest to op premium (aside from maybe the keni) and it'd sell for a high price if it ever showed up for sale again. I don't see wg nerfing what could be a huge money maker.
unique scaffold
@brisk lily. Any tank can be nerfed or buffed. This includes premiums. Read the EULA
deft owl
And hopefully they will nerf helsing and dracula just because EULA says so.
dim field
I don't think the helsing needs a nerf.
Drac could maybe reduce that nasty pushing/ram power it has. I've seen it ram heavies for 400+ dmg (without even shooting) while it only took 100 dmg.
unique scaffold
Dracula doesn't need a Nerf. For that matter neither does the Helsing.
Drac has mediocre DPM and is easily killed by other same tier mediums. Helsing is good if you can connect the second shot but that can be hard to do at times.
spark badge
Drac is fine !!!! It’s only op when there is toon cause two of those, a problem and helsing it’s good but with a glitch and that’s if u can connect both shots which most of the time u won’t
compact sundial
Two Dracs isn't truely a problem, it's when you have a team of low mental capacity versus two unicums in the Drac's they become a problem...
spark badge
I do agreed that tier 8 is by far the worst right now but u don’t have to be a unicum to drive a drac for sure
orchid grove
I kinda hate that everyone just assumes that a tank with no armor “takes skill to do well in” or “can’t be OP because I can kill it easily”
cyan summit
drac is good against heavies and tds in open maps, but cause of it's lake of dpm, a comet or a t43 will ealisy rekt it
spark briar
BR?
tight wren
quick lichen
@subtle niche what does that have to do with #tank-balance-discussion ?
unique scaffold
@quick lichen ^^^^
quick lichen
@subtle niche well, the short answer is yes. You can recover one of them. Submit a ticket to wg about it. For the other four, this is what you get for mistreating your girlfriend, numb nuts
bold dagger
dusky oxide
Hmm, good point balance-wise and I'm definitely in favor of a nerf.
wispy tiger
Hi
unique scaffold
@quick lichen why are you so mean to them
quick lichen
...
crystal spoke
They had it coming tbh
brisk lily
^^
teal olive
@unique scaffold lol helsing is preeeettyyyy broken m8. It doesn’t have a whole lot of disadvantages.
dim field
Slow turret traverse and the split gun are some things to take advantage of. Getting both rounds to land is not always reliable.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good tank. Wouldn't say it's broken though.
gilded pivot
I gotta say... hope people don't complain when they have people spam gold at their IS4
indigo knot
Helsing rips apart tier 6 and 7 .... especially meds and lights .....Drac is only broken when in platoons or in the hands of good player
dim field
Helsing rips apart tier 7 because people often fight it at it's strongest.
It does really good against tier 6 but it can just as easily get it's teeth kicked in by tier 8.
It's turret turns really slow which can put it in danger of being circled. It can bypass this by turning its body, however doing so exposed the entire side of the tank. It also has a fragile turret ring iirc. A kv-2 can also frontally oneshot a helsing (not an easy shot though)
gloomy dragon
Do people even try to counter a helsing by flanking, closing in, then ramming and shooting them to death? As long as you dont sit in front of the gun and keep them from aiming properly, you can effectively ruin their shots and take them out.
meager spruce
No. The best counter for helsing is relying on the second shot to miss due to the despersion. Other way is to take a M6A2E1 is battle
stiff rain
my toon mate and I run helsings alot they are good tanks and good money makers that is why we run them so much, everyone says they are over powered but really they aren't, they have alot of weak spots just like other premium tanks
meager spruce
Whispers: "WZ120 G FT does not have a lot of weakpoints"
twin egret
As the game progresses, you start to realize WZ-120-1G FT isn't really that over powered
meager spruce
Hahahaha. each game in rating has two of them on both teams. sometimes 3 and even 4
twin egret
The WZ 120-1G FT is a tank that bullies tanks with bad penetration power and players with no brain
stiff rain
every tank has a weakness yeah some are better than others but mostly it comes down the the person running the tank. Some are good with heavies and some are good with lights ( not me)
meager spruce
lets look at its pros and cons. Pros: excellent armor, excellent mobility, amazing gun (pen and damage) and low profile. Cons: no turret (which does not matter as you can hardly flank it as the traverse speed is absolutely astounding)
twin egret
bruh i'd be flanking that in AMX CDC with ease
meager spruce
yeah, By the time you reach it you have lost about 800 hp as WZ120 g ft's sit in the back and will out spot you as it is stationary and in a bash. Then the tank just uses it's exceptionally good traverse speed and you do not manage to flank it. And you were very useful that battle doing only about 400 damage to it
twin egret
uhh, you realize that's not how I Brawl TD's in a AMX CDC from a distance @meager spruce
meager spruce
@twin egret TDs camp at the back. In order to get to that back and spot the TD you have to expose yourself. Yeah, there is no other way unless in TD is stupid an just drives out in front
twin egret
@meager spruce That's sad you don't understand how I fight TDs on maps
meager spruce
I go to the light house on Mines. Spotting and outflanking the enemies is a piece of cake on that map
twin egret
you don't go to light house, you'll get spotted
meager spruce
tell that to bat chat and leo 1. See what they think about it
twin egret
you can't go mid, but you can go full right, house obstruct the view and the rocks too
meager spruce
and then when you get around the corner on the on the right you get slapped by TDs. Great idea
twin egret
you won't get spotted through there
🤦
meager spruce
It is called proxy spotting from the hill
twin egret
yes the TD's won't have enough time to react because of the high speed u r going
meager spruce
Also which side of Mines are we talking about. Which spawn is the tank coming from.
twin egret
any side
meager spruce
if the tank is coming from the east you have more cover that from the north
twin egret
but the TD is gonna be at one spot
meager spruce
Ok. @twin egret I will send a message to you just so that I can remember once I get home to send some screenshots of what I mean. For now I am closing this because I need to get back to work. It should be max 4-5 hours until i send the screenshots. If I do not please ping me and I will get back to you. I send the friend request.
gilded pivot
WZ 120 1 FT? I blind shot one
dim field
Yeah on mines you can sorta blind shot TDs since usually they're in the same couple spots.
unique scaffold
I am going to get the M4A1 Revalorisé, and I am noticing its 105 mm (shortened version of the AMX 30 gun) has the same alpha as the 100 mm SA47 gun... So pros and cons of not getting the AMX M4 49 and opting for the Rev.?
gilded pivot
Armour and probably HP as a loss
dim field
That's a tough one
I have em both and I love my M4 49 but haven't used the Rev yet. The folks in my clan who do have it love the rev
unique scaffold
Watching some videos I noticed mobility is nearly the same, essentially is the turret traverse good on the Rev., I am a fan of the M4 series but I really need to compare those two
dim field
dark pike
oh 310 alpha is bad
dim field
Not for the M4 49.
It's alpha plus reload is pretty decent combo
dark pike
for the rev, i was expecting 350 alpha
unique scaffold
I own the Lowe, even it has 310 alpha, but it's strange a 100 mm has that alpha, since the Russian 100 mm have 280
gilded pivot
They have 310 some do anyway
dim field
8 second reload for a heavy that does 310 is pretty decent given tanks like the exp (which plays similar in a way) has a 12 second reload.
unique scaffold
Check the 100 mm on Tier 8, such as the LB-1 or the Chinese ones, only the T-54 latest guns have 310 alpha
Hi
dim field
I feel like this should move to #vehicles-discussion
unique scaffold
I feel WG should clear a bit of things on those alpha discrepancies
dark pike
at15 needs a dpm buff
dim field
I think the dpm is fine
dark pike
i would prefer the reload to be reduced to black prince levels so its a genuine threat
dense raven
quien pa jugar
proven widget
The at15 is plenty of a threat with the dpm it has at this moment, as it has exceptional pen and with its 190 alpha over the 160 of the black prince makes it a terror to any tank that tries to out dpm it.
Also, although the rev has a lacking amount of dpm and armor compared to the m4 49, I would take it over the m4 49 any day as it has nearly the same hp, coupled with much better gun handling and much better mobility, not to mention its view range that can easily spot the entire battlefield on most maps.
coral sage
KV-2 needs to deal more damage
teal olive
Good one
grave bear
true
ornate iron
Hello
unique scaffold
Can we modify sc2file with dava engine?
unique scaffold
@coral sage or smaller reload
coral sage
Or to have a magazine
fringe sapphire
How are you able or willing to nerf a premium tank for update 5.10, aren't you afraid people will stop spending actual money for a product if you can just change it when ever you feel?
supple jolt
Clearly that hasn't happened because people are still buying smasher even though they know it'll probably be nerfed
Also update 5.5 hasn't made people stop buying premiums either
crystal spoke
They've always been able to nerf what ever they want
quick ravine
Are we ever going to see Arty in Blitz?
torn cliff
Oof
fossil anchor
How come a KV-2 did about 800 damage to my Tiger....
twilit crystal
coz WG gave HE shells 10% bonus to calibrated shells
scenic portal
@fossil anchor because its a Russian tank and that's enough reason lmao, There are soft spots to pen tiger with HE
void flint
is it just me or has the jagtiger been power creeped
armour wise ,it makes the front of the case mate useless and has no gun depression it needs to be compinsated with either mobility or some armour on the hull
twilit crystal
id say give it another degree of depression to 8.
void flint
i was going to say give it 15 to 20 mm more frontal armour
frigid pond
I think moto moto likes you
unique scaffold
bad meme
fresh kettle
teal olive
Code? @fresh kettle
meager spruce
Bonus codes are given on rare occasions. The latest bonus code given was on april fools
lucid jewel
Buff 30b gun
sour fox
Am i the only 1 thinks t49 need more pen on its HEAT so atleast it can pen some tanks front?
clever void
yes pls.. ill take a t49 buff
stark mica
T-49 does need a pen buff for the HEAT.
humble spear
I don't think a light tank with a 152mm gun should be able to pen another tank's front so easily
ebon compass
Give T49 it’s old module damage back
past cape
TOG II needs buff
sour fox
@humble spear i dont want it to pen easily but sometimes in some situation ur stuck in your enemy front and t-49 cant pen , it can bounce on t-44 front and t-44 lower plate is hard to hit with t-49 aim time like that just sad
Just hopes wargaming do solve t49 pen
deft owl
@sour fox T44 upper plate isnt suppose to be insta pen against a t-44. Get over it.
@lucid jewel How about no?
lucid jewel
@deft owl why not? There's not a single good thing about the gun. Bad penetration, bad aim time, bad dispersion
At least give it something to work with. It's above average speed and near useless mantlet armor don't make up for it's absolutely atrocious weapon
deft owl
Only bad thing about the gun is aim time. Bloom and base accuracy stats are above average.
lucid jewel
Uhhh no lol. Its dispersion is only .03 better than the 121, its aim time is over 3 seconds and the pen is horrible as its main round is APCR. It's quite often you'll find yourself bouncing off of Gray penzones. It is statistically the worst gun on a medium tank at tier 10. That least the 121 has the alpha and lightning fast aim time.
It may not be THE worst in the categories but when added all it theres not a single good thing about it.
Hitting weak spots is never a guarantee, you have to come up to aim for a sizable amount of time since both your aim time and dispersion are terrible. Most of the time you're going to get shot while aiming or you have to rely on RNG to snapshot. When you combine bad accuracy, a slow aim time, and unreliable pen you get a nightmare of a gun to use. all I think it needs is a small buff to either the aim time or dispersion for it to be perfect
deft owl
Nearly all meds get apcr for their main rounds. 250 pen is decent and only medium gets better pen is leo 1 and fv4202. Base accuracy is 0.326 which is average. Bloom is 0.11 and leo 1 has 0.10 and fv4202 has 0.12.
The thing is 30b nearly has same p/w ratio with leopard 1 and gets -10 gun depression with a suprisingly bouncy gun mantlet. You cant get everything on a tank.
If you buff 30b gun leopard1 will became obselete.
lucid jewel
Have you even used it? The gun is noticeably horrible. 3.4 seconds game time is an eternity when all the enemy has to do is make a quick flick into your giant cupola. And that's really what makes the difference. Pretty much every other medium practically aims a full second faster if not a insignificant amount less. That means dispersion affects your gun a whole lot more since like I said you cannot afford to wait that time to aim.
median gust
I bet @deft owl Doesn't have the tank
lucid jewel
Every other tank that has a aim time above 3 seconds either has a very solid turret (patton), very good rounds (t22) , or good dispersion(FV)
The 30b does nothing well in terms of gun.
median gust
121 be like
round stirrup
Amx ELC bis needs a nerf. Too much damage for a light
median gust
Has no armor, just ram the thing or HE it
lucid jewel
121 has 2.2 seconds of aim time and Alpha. I love my 121 because of the gun feels so consistent
It doesn't feel like the dispersion shows because you're practically always shooting fully aimed. With the 30b you're never shooting fully aimed unless you're shooting at something that's not looking at you. And even then you might still miss or bounce lol
median gust
@lucid jewel You should write reviews on tanks, this is some decent material
lucid jewel
Maybe lol. I do mini first impression reviews on the forum every now and then but nobody looks at them
And look, I don't hate the 30b. It's been the only thing I've been playing for the past four or five days. It makes good credits, it does pretty well in random battles against people who don't know how to aim, and it looks amazing. Doesn't change the fact that the gun is without a doubt the worst gun on a medium tank at tier 10 I've ever played
deft owl
@lucid jewel 121 has garbage bloom stats which makes it impossible to snapshot. Also worse base accuracy. Only goods thing about it is aim time. Also I dont see how t22 has "good rounds" when t22 medium has the worst apcr pen.
30b isnt suppose to do well in terms of gun. It has a nearly impenetrable gun mantlet with - 10 gun depression. As I just said not all tanks have everything. Amx30b needs a weakness and its the gun.
If you want a good gun then play Leopard 1. Amx 30b isnt for you.
lucid jewel
T22 has 330 heat, butters anything it cant pen with APCR. 121s aim time lets you sit for a second, be half aimed, and fire likely before the enemy is even 1/3rd aimed. Like I said alpha also makes up for it since your bits mean a lot more than a normal medium like a 140. The gun mantlet doesn't mean Jack on the 30b when you have a giant Cuppola, weak cheeks, and weak under mantlet. Go against good players and you'll feel about as vulnerable as a leopard but with all the downsides of the worst gun on a medium tank at tier 10. While it's functionable in a normal game because the average player doesn't know how to aim it is nowhere near reliable. The speed is only good when you actually reach top speed. It's acceleration is worse than both the batchat and the leopard and it's only slightly faster than a Leo. If you want to tell me those two things make up for that travesty of a gun I'll tell you you're delusion.
deft owl
@lucid jewelBs.T22 has 300 heat like others.
lucid jewel
Comparing it to its counterparts, the patton and stb, it has both worse gun and worse turret armor. For instance if you get mines in the 30b you're screwed. You cannot use your gun depression on the hill because you will be penned every time at that range
O rlly?
grave bear
closely every tier X medium csn get 330 heat with cs
deft owl
Calibrated shells lmao.
grave bear
121b also has smt like 2.0 aimtime not 3.2
lucid jewel
121b is 2.5
121 standard is 2.2
Also, all the other guns that can reach 330 Heat are some of the 105s amd they lose too much DPM gor that to be really viable. T22 still keeps a solid DPM number. There's really no reason to play the 30b over an stb or M48.
deft owl
If you guys are looking aim stats from in game then you guys are doing wrong. The aim time from the game is practically an average value when tank goes at full speed and how much time it takes when it reachs maxium accuracy after it stops.
Base aim value is the actual value it matters. https://blitzhangar.com Says all the base aim times of tanks.
@lucid jewel 30b has much better mobility then m48 and stb-1.
thin ermine
30b is a Leo 1 without the dpm
lucid jewel
Not much. Better yes but that doesnt matter all too much since the maps are smaller. I would happily trade a few kilometers an hour if it meant a reliable turret and a good gun
thin ermine
30b has a terrible gun, a huge tumor, and terrible dpm, all of which I wouldn’t want on my team.
deft owl
@thin ermine Have you ever checked out m48 gun?
lucid jewel
All right, so I just did a test and fully kitted out from the momemt I let go of the movement stick to the moment the gun is fully aimed its a time of 3.3 seconds lol.
m48 has better aim time and dispersion though?
deft owl
M48 has worse dispersion. Has better aim time but with only 0.09sec.
lucid jewel
Yeah I.meamt only aim time. BUT its not all paper stats is it? You can afford to sit out longer to aim with the Patton. Therefore more accurate shooting. With 30b you come up, maybe take half a second to aim and then shoot and pray nobody slams your giant hat on the way back in the cover
deft owl
Not everything is all about hulldown fight. 30b is a better flanker due to its way better mobility.
lucid jewel
So you flank, take a shot, have half the enemy team turn around and rush you. Ggs
deft owl
If you let them catch you in a 30b its your fault not the tank.
lucid jewel
Every other medium out DPMS you Cept for 121 and they know it. You have to struggle to pen pretty much any heavy tank since aiming for weak spots is a no go with the gun. And I don't know about you, but I'm not a fan of flanking around the entire map just to get one shot off then run away. And even if you do start running immediately you're still going to be chased and you're probably going to take a shot in the back while trying to run away. That's not lucrative for you or your team.
clever void
Still the fact that you can pop ridges and snapshot knowing half the shots coming ur way will bounce. I feel like it deserves a bad gun when Leo 1 is it’s comparison
lucid jewel
You want to tell me you'd willingly poke a ridge ridge knowing you only have a 50/50 chance of bouncing the enemy shot at best? Thats a big no thanks. You will have plenty of games where you won't bounce a single shot, is7s on the move snapping your turret, any medium driver above 50% will nail your cupola or cheeks, it gets really frustrating.
fossil crag
30B is a balanced tank, it just has a high skill cap, much like the Leopard 1 if not more.
thin ermine
Leopard 1 > 30b
lucid jewel
Its underpowered. It has no standout quality other than its top speed. There's literally no other reason to play it over any other hull down medium tank. I think the fact that the majority of people say that the leopard is better than it is a testament to how extremely mediocre it is.
deft owl
Im feeling like "I dropped 300 dollars to crates my tank deserves to be better then them" İdeology. Im out good bye all.
lucid jewel
It can't compete on a ridge as well as the other hull down tanks, it can't flank as well as a Leo, god knows it can't brawl. Like I said before, all it needs is an aimtime buff to be perfect.
thin ermine
and maybe a slight pen or dpm buff would be nice
lucid jewel
I spent 100$, got the tank and 410k free exp so it was well worth the value. If I wanted to drive a curb-stomping crate tank I'd play my t22 or mk6. I'm sorry that I want the tank to be balanced I guess.
deep robin
it has it's strengths and draw backs
lucid jewel
But do its strengths make up for its drawbacks
fossil crag
It's not underpowered. No offense, but you're probably just not suited to play the tank to perfection and that's the reason you're not enjoying the tank and think it's underpowered. It's one of the best balanced vehicles that WG has released in a while. It's not a direct replacement for anything. If you want to have laser accuracy, good penetration and high DPM, you'll play the Leo 1. If you want to have better turret armor and hull armor, you sacrifice the amazing gun stats that come with the Leo 1. Buffing the 30B will potentially replace the Leopard 1, and we'll just have an IS-4 situation where the tank becomes a do-it-all and make other tanks obsolete.
deep robin
if i think anything needs buffed, it would be slightly more useful hull armor, the 30 b is that solid in between to an stb and leo 1, and really i have not many complaints about it, probably one of my more favorite meds
lucid jewel
In my opinion, no. And don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying the tank. I wouldn't have played it for over two hundred battles in a row if I didn't. I just wish the gun was better so it was more in line with the other mediums
deep robin
I think it is decently balanced, it has decent gun handling without power creeping the leo 1 and the 62a, which are some of the more accurate meds, its pen is average as well, the only significant draw back is it's 6.9 - 7.1 sec reload, but that means you have to be a little more careful when using it
fossil crag
Try aiming in more instead of snap shotting. It's definitely different from other mediums and you'll need to adjust your play style a little due to that. Try using supercharge, I've seen a lot of super unicums using supercharge over GLD. I tried it myself and like it better than GLD.
lucid jewel
I'll agree that it's the most balanced premium tank they've released in a long time, but that doesn't mean it's 100% balanced. It's so close though! It'll never replace the Leo because of the Leos laser gun, speed, and DPM. give it like a quarter second Les same time so it's not overpowered but it's not a hundred percent RNG Reliant
I use super charge, swapped it out early. And you can't really afford to aim most of the time because you're going to get hit back
fossil crag
I'm not against a buff, never will be because 30B is my favorite medium tank at the moment, I just fear that if they buff it and it becomes too good, they will nerf it harder and it will be worse than released form.
lucid jewel
Yeah knowing the wargaming balancing team lol
fossil crag
We'll see what happens, people on RU have been doing very well in the 30B.
lucid jewel
Yeah the Ace Bar exploded on Monday
fossil crag
Yeah, it was around 1.2k and then spiked to 1.6k. I got 1,589 base XP one game and got a 1st class. Actually insane, I don't remember last time a tanks ace bar was so high. 😄
lucid jewel
Like I was acing at at 2.7 K damage Sunday night and suddenly Monday morning comes around and 5K damage in 5 kills was only a first class
It was hella sus
I'm about to upload a 20-plus minute video of 30b 5k damage games
All but 1 hearbreaks lmaooo
My noob self hasn't broken 6K damage yet :((
twilit crystal
channel isnt for mm
clever void
I seen something that mentioned a possible nerf to su122-54. I’ll be very 😢. I felt the tank was great before they buffed dpm but the potential nerf income shows them making it worse then before buff. I’ll agree it’s a bit OP. But it fits the conversation that they overbuff then nerf harder
twilit crystal
see amx 50 100
indigo knot
They should have given a bit of gun depression and dispersion buff to the tank but instead the buffed its dpm and made it hilarious especially against tier 8s ......I even once yoloed full hp Is4 and destroyed it
neon grail
Balanced premiums are boring premiums
shy wren
You sure?
clever void
@indigo knot I’d be happy with pre buff dpm but more depression and much quicker aim time. It does hit fairly well once sighted in but has those occasional holy shit where did that go Russian shots
neon grail
I mean that playing a good premium is obviously more fun than playing an meh premium
clever void
Derp-a-de-do-da
dark pike
su 101 might need a buff
brisk lily
What if your internet needs a buff?
placid fjord
Did one of you guys have insane luck
placid fjord
Getting the 30b with 2 or 1 chest
lucid jewel
30b GuN iS fInE iTs YoU nOt ThE tAnK
shy wren
Oof, tough luck there
lucid jewel
Gun needs a buff. It’s the worst
rain ivy
I'm looking forward to getting one when I can actually pick it up for gold.
modest lotus
Lowe cud use an engine hp buff
lucid jewel
Lowe is already op
modest lotus
Ya. With all the power creepin’ at t8, it could be alittle faster
thick rover
Platoon channel
indigo knot
Lowe is a bit Op
elfin marlin
Nope it is fine the way it is
undone thistle
Balance discussion more like witch tank is gonna get nerfed discussion
gilded pivot
Lol... No don't nerf 263... I want to try it before the nerf...
undone thistle
Yeah just nerd every good tier 10
high shale
Nerf obj 263 pls
Its TOO OP Perfect pen Perfect Armor Perfect reload Medium Damage Perfect Speed...
undone thistle
Did u maybe try shooting in the gun
gilded pivot
Nah it's fine... U just don't know how to play against it
high shale
YES with Tanks like E100 its totaly unstopable Without spamming gold ammo
undone thistle
And now it's gonna get nerfed just like a 183 cuz noobs didn't know how to deal it with it
high shale
They nerfed so HARD FV 4 shots 3 missed
gilded pivot
Well is the is4 op? In your opinion? @high shale
high shale
No because is like IS7 you can pen it on lower plate and in the very small commander cupola but IS7 is more power
gilded pivot
Yep confirmed... U don't know what ur talking about
high shale
Have you ever got tanks like E100. e100 vs Obj 263 Face to face no from far away hiding the lower place no
elfin marlin
Lets nerf all tanks to tier 1 then the problem is solved.. Learn to play the tanks and learn to fight the tanks. Stop complaining
high shale
The problem is on all Tier 10 or only on obj 263?
gilded pivot
... the 268 is also OP coz I bounced once... Moan moan... Just saying that's what u sound like
elfin marlin
FV 183 is ruined now you all want to nerf is-4 then the 263 ... What's next...? The maus? The e100?
gilded pivot
Exactly
elfin marlin
263 has a very weak side and rear. Even the bottom front plate is penetrable
high shale
No its not i has got a big commander cupola a big lower plate you can pen it even in the gun
gilded pivot
Nah fv4005 is getting nerfed next...
high shale
@elfin marlin Maus is OP E100 is OP?
elfin marlin
Read better
gilded pivot
We're just acting like u @high shale
grave bear
the only is4 that needs nerf is is4 turret roof
elfin marlin
Is 4 and the rest in that sentence are not OP
All tanks are fine as they are. Just learn to deal with them or to play them
All the changes come from the noobs crying about they can't avoid to get wrecked or how to pen a tank
high shale
Because you disagree with my opinion now you are kidding me right? Im not gonna discuss this anymore i said OBJ 263 is OP if someone agree GOOD if NO
Im trying to show on the person who disagree why is OP if i can't change his opinion then why am i keep writing
gilded pivot
Well stop writing it would be a lot easier... And u should try to get around the obj263... It's sides are like butter
elfin marlin
Here is your prove that 263 is not OP. Like HESH said
gilded pivot
Or use HE to go "through" the roof
elfin marlin
And if you are not able to get around or pen it just flee to another target
high shale
In tier 10 100armor and 0 armor aren't the same? In tier 10
@gilded pivotthrough the roof its impossible because it's fake i tested than with a friend
gilded pivot
Well some times it works...
somber burrow
is chieftain here?
iron lynx
The Obj 263 is good, but not OP.
thick rover
^
indigo knot
E100 can hit its roof......263 can win 1v1 against most tanks but 4deg of gun depression is difficult to use .....I find it troll but not OP
thick rover
@outer ridge Is 183 underpowered?
undone thistle
Cuz nerf of the gun
balmy cipher
will Pz V/IV get a turret armor buff Pz IV G has the same turret and has more armor how is that even possible @abstract marsh @magic phoenix @lean forge @charred comet @unique scaffold @snow rock @still ivy
median gust
Why would you ping them all...
balmy cipher
just so they see it
thick rover
Rip something incoming maybe
balmy cipher
it has turret armor of leopard (tier V) the only thing protecting the turret is the spaced armor 🤣
meager spruce
@balmy cipher this may get you a mute. Just tag one - either Knopka or Rexy they are the most active
iron lynx
If you didn't notice, the Pz V/IV is also a tier 5.
It shouldn't be more powerful than contemporary tier 5 tanks like the Pz IV G or Leopard. @balmy cipher
The Pz V/IV already has a well-armored Panther hull that rams like a truck.
Of course it should have a weak turret to offset it.
abstract trail
Sorry if it's not the right topic but I have to ask, is everyone have this boring low tier battles ratio of 2/3 to 3/4? Because I think that we lose the fun in the game playing that often in low tier...
tender ember
Hi
west aspen
The weirdest tier X tank is the Grille 15
unique scaffold
I think it could use a camouflage buff
It’s really easily spotted for a supposed sniper tank
west aspen
No no not about camo-rating
When u turn to critical side angle it gets extra Depression
And when u turn to center the Depression is not the same
Wat is that
No any tanks have such kind of getting extra depression when going to side angles
unique scaffold
Ru 251 has a similar feature. It has 6 degrees of gun depression frontally but when it turns its turret to the sides it gets 10 degrees, and when it turns its turret to the rear it has something really low like 3 or 4 degrees
west aspen
Oh yea same goes to Waffle tier IX
solemn aurora
Also for the PZ V/IV. The Amx 13 90. Amx 12t. Leo 1 for its rear. Cromwell B.
It’s not that unique.
humble spear
@west aspen The Pz V/IV has more gun depression if the gun is pointed to the side. The STA-1 has negative gun depression when the turret is turned to the rear due to the elevated engine deck
west aspen
Oooo😯
unique scaffold
God I despise elevated engine decks
Makes shooting while running away a lot harder
west aspen
I heard that E50M is creating problems to some players
Because E50M plats wipe them out very quickly
They ram so hard BC got rekt within two Rams😂
unique scaffold
Well it’s a great all rounder and BC is a light tank if it gets rammed that’s because the driver made a mistake I think
west aspen
And ya its got weight also and speed is exactly like STB
Geez it hurts a lot when they ram at a speed of 60kms 😖
humble spear
60 kilometers a second
west aspen
Yah when going through a downslope
unique scaffold
No that’s 5 times the speed needed to get out of Earth’s attraction
west aspen
To a normal Jageroo it did 650 dmg taking 900+ dmg when ramming in max speed
Then... if it rams Borsig it wont even get a chance to shoot
humble spear
an E50M should never see a borsig outside of fail platoons
west aspen
I saw once in a broken platoon
In the end of the game E50 rammed borsig without even letting it shoot
Lmao😆
safe quest
Lmao tiger p has over 1500 potential hp
Honestly i love the thing but I feel like it could stand having less health to make the transfer from the tiger p to the vk100.01p a little bit more worth while. In my opinion it’s a great tank and most of the time I don’t need all 1500+ hp do work against my enemies effectively in tier 7/8 battles. Gun is great and the armor, if used correctly, can be very strong. So it’s just something ide like to see
small flame
the kpfz 70 is overpowered change my mind
clever void
?
rancid flame
It’s not even close
clever void
Great power over ur wallet 😂
indigo knot
Nope
vernal temple
bonsoir , j'ai une question (car je viens de commencer) , peut on jouer a plus de 2 joueurs (car je ne vois que le mode peloton) sur le jeu ?
@orchid grove
@covert harness
orchid grove
@vernal temple Vous ne pouvez généralement pas jouer avec plus de 2 joueurs dans des batailles aléatoires. Si vous souhaitez jouer avec plus d'un joueur, vous pouvez vous coordonner avec vos amis pour appuyer simultanément sur le bouton bataille et espérer que vous jouez le même match. Cependant, vous pouvez jouer avec 6 de vos amis dans des batailles de tournoi où vous pouvez sélectionner vos coéquipiers.
*Pardon le mauvais français, j'utilise google traduction
clever void
😡
vernal temple
ah d'accord pas de problème et bien google traduction est correct en français e ce que je vois !
orchid grove
J'ai dit que j'utilisais Google Translate 😉
vernal temple
oui mais il n'a pas fait une seul faute 😂
white vessel
Its nice they are selling the kpfpz70, cuz now that noobs get it, its averages will go down a bit and it will prolly receive some buffs. 😁
orchid grove
@white vessel Specifically what it needs to get buffed is a bunch of 55 and 56% winrate players on CIS to get it; since WG only looks at 55-65% WR players on CIS for balance
whole trail
Noobs LEarn to Play
twilit crystal
Yup thats what needs the Kpf needs to get buffed. The entire 55% to 65% is completely garbage with the worst example being the kpf
static sierra
@orchid grove hey use deepl its an better traductor than google transmate try it to speak french i will test Deepl (i am french)
late comet
hi
dim field
Hello
spark star
Kpfz is a moving pile of junk
the only thing going for it is that its
||its sexy||
I love the looks but thats about it
glass sandal
fast meteor
Well wr dosent even matters damage does(fro me)
placid fjord
Should i try my luck getting 2 amx 30b containers?
hollow mason
Yes that will help WG increase the game quality or else
tawny sail
gold is better money value
placid fjord
Yeet
mighty spear
Do you guys think wr is a determiner of skill?
iron lynx
Nope
But I do think skill is a determiner of WR.
mighty spear
True
I have 60% and I feel as though I did not get lucky with teams and all because I have 1.5k average dng also.
hollow mason
Well that WR and Ave damage is already good
mighty spear
Ik
sudden forum
thx devs for making VK (P) even worse
placid fjord
hoary vortex
whatd they do to vk100? @sudden forum
gilded pivot
Nerfed the lower plate and cupola
unique scaffold
@placid fjord. You need a different profile pic.
placid fjord
Why?
hoary vortex
stalin profile pic
"why?"
gilded pivot
Because politics... It's against the rules @placid fjord
unique scaffold
That one is not allowed.
placid fjord
Wasnt stalin not about politics?
unique scaffold
This isn't a recommendation. The pic will get you muted or banned once a mod sees it.
gilded pivot
Yeah that's ok @placid fjord
unique scaffold
That seems fine.
slim rivet
U got the 30b with the 2 containers offer @placid fjord ?
placid fjord
Pretty much yes
dusky oxide
And what does that have to do with balance?
indigo knot
Give 6deg gun dep to 62a
gilded pivot
Why?
unique scaffold
That would make the 140 practically obsolete. No thanks.
fast meteor
Yeah 6d gun depression or a buff in speed
lethal saddle
62a already has a massive pw ratio
bold wigeon
62A already better than 140
median gust
Clearly the Grille 15 needs a camo or traverse buff... But because of spring season the tank will stay pretty bad. The camo is on par (or close) to Jageroo
meager spruce
@bold wigeon if 62A is better why are people having better results in 140. Also you have neither of the two tanks so who are you to judge which is better
@neon peak he is not saying that though. He is just saying that T62 A is a superior vehicle.
orchid grove
140 is a little easier to play because the hull armor can troll bounces and the one degree extra gun depression makes it a tad more comfortable. With 62, you have to be much more careful on your positioning
While I think a well played 62 is just as good, if not better than a 140 due to the superior turret and gun, I think 62 could probably do well if it received something to differentiate it from the 140. NGL, I kinda like the idea of giving it a 115mm gun like it had historically with maybe ~370 alpha and about the same pen and DPM as E-50M
bold wigeon
bait successful
rich tendon
Platoon 8 russian language
unique scaffold
@rich tendon
unique scaffold
when nerf wargaming WZ 120 ft ? The Smasher is Silent Nerf with everytime Lowtier ..Nerf the Sick WZ Td and T49 and Su152 and isu 152 and Skorpion G NOW ! all Tanks dpm OP! The Smasher Nerf is Scam!
crystal spoke
How would you nerf it
haughty narwhal
Silent nerfs are usually rng based. Low rolls everything.
surreal mirage
WOOOH
unique scaffold
40 Rounds with the Smasher 38 Rounds Lowtier is a Nerf ..called silent nerf
surreal mirage
I just pulled the AMX 30 B in the $5 for 2 bundle
unique scaffold
Amx 30 b is the next scam Tank .
surreal mirage
Idc what it is, I'm happy I got it.
unique scaffold
yes for low buget its ok ..but people buy it for much money was scamt
crystal spoke
Not really a scam since they tell you the odds
surreal mirage
Thats why I'm a lot more excited than I should be. It has a 2.5% and I got it.
unique scaffold
The Amx proto 100% better Tank than Amx30b
crystal spoke
Yeah and the other prizes isnt that bad
unique scaffold
the Amx 30 b is a Bad joke from WG ..don't believe the hype
crystal spoke
There not even the same teir
bold dagger
so uh, who am I muting?
watch your language or the mutes comes out
and don't refer to people as "stupid", that's in no way productive or nice
surreal mirage
I didn't call anybody stupid. If you read my messages you would know the situation.
unique scaffold
its ok ..good night😂
surreal mirage
I pulled the AMX 30 B and I'm really excited about it and he goes off being negative about it saying other tanks are better, that's not a cool move.
quick lichen
@unique scaffold change your name
fast meteor
@orchid grove as per the dpm part to 62, If it will be given the dpm of an E50M the tank will be completely meaningless more than that with its 5 d of gun depression u have to expose that weak hull so in order to compensate it just should be given a speed buff or 6d of gun depression angle
orchid grove
If it gets a speed buff or GD buff it would be too similar to the 140. I think T-62A needs to be better differentiated from the 140; which is why I would prefer 62 get a higher alpha, higher pen, lower DPM gun. T62A is still mobile and still has a decent turret; and 5 degrees of gun depression shouldn't be that big of an issue considering other tanks that rely on hulldown like IS-3 can still make 5 degrees work, especially considering the low profile
deft owl
T62a needs base accuracy nerf imho. 0.288 accuracy on a russian med is just plain stupid.
@unique scaffold I dont think they will nerf wz-120 anytime soon.
thick rover
Well the stats could be inaccurate because noobs in question will go for the line thinking it's "op", thus influencing the stats
shy wren
A 115mm gun would be interesting for the T-62A
thick rover
Wg looks at tank usage and other statistics not just that chart, you were argueing about T62-A not needing a nerf, and that was my answer to your view, the charts certainly do not tell the full story, I am assuming that my reasoning has a huge impact on 62A cause it is seen by many as OP russian
solemn aurora
Neither needs a buff or nerf, one of them just needs different characteristic.
Only their driving styles are different. the gun profiles, aiming profiles, and uses are too similar.
dusky oxide
If you buffed the t62s alpha in order to differentiate it from the 140 you'd end up making it too similar to a 121B.
errant warren
I guess i should grind The 121b Then
deft owl
@errant warren 121b is not a grindable tank. Is there a chance you meant wz-121?
slim rivet
Let my t62-boi as it is please 😡
errant warren
Oof you didn't get it was a kind of a joke
slim rivet
I prefer to proactively protect it 😅
deft owl
lol😁
thick rover
@wolf Nope I didn't say that, just questioning your justification based on the charts given alone, but Im fine with all tier x tanks as of now except maybe T-22?
dusky oxide
Thats one more reason they'd never give t62a more alpha; less people would buy a 121b
lucid sky
Hi
ebon obsidian
Whay T-49 have only premium he rounds
orchid grove
@thick rover The chart controls for noobs; since it doesn’t even count the stats of players <55% WR
thick rover
Well you could always have 55 winrate players messing up and not understanding the play style of the tank if its new to them it's kinda relative really. Ain't any bold line to distinguish clearly a target audience that knows their stuff, you can only minimise it
wispy tiger
🦉🦊🌧🌏☁🌖
cobalt crane
@unique scaffold lmao if anything the t49 needs a buff
unique scaffold
Just a bit of pen buff on the standard HEAT ammo, the other things are good imo
zenith sand
@cobalt crane yup
knotty cave
The game needs a better extensive tutorial. Something to teach players how to correctly use tds with armor, tds with no armor, light tanks not running up and yoloing, meds not thinking they are heavies. Meds thinking they can fight 7 enemy meds. Heavies to not flank around. The game need to actucally teach people how to play. Not some basic spotting mechanics system and then mock battles vs tier 1 bots
cunning kindle
How about start by telling newer players they can manually reload autoloaders
And also tell them the difference between an autoloader and a singleshot cannon
knotty cave
That would also be covered in the extensive tutorial
Heck. They could make the tutorial 2 gb like the game, and upon completion it uninstall and downloads the multiplayer.
cunning kindle
2gb worth of training, thats a no no
knotty cave
Trust me. People need it. And besides the game currently is about 3gb
cunning kindle
But i get ur point and i agree with better tutorial
hardy heron
Wz120ft needs a nerf, maneuverability and dispersion maybe
cunning kindle
Stop asking for a nerf, it wont get nerfed
Its op but no matter how much u ask, it wont get nerfed
hardy heron
It can reverse and turn faster than most meds cn circle it so..
knotty cave
If you ask enough it will probably be buffed
clever void
Lmao. Everyone knows t-54 is most OP tank in game. I wonder why they don’t want that nerfed
meager spruce
Uuum you clearly have not played the game enough @clever void
clever void
Close to 1k games in t54 63% wr says different
meager spruce
I have 16.5K games. Here is a list- Ke ni otsu, WZ120 g ft, Scorpion G, Lupus etc.
clever void
Sure. Those are accepted OP tanks behind a paywall. I’m talking tech tree. WZ-120 is nowhere close to t-54 on power ranking
meager spruce
you did not make that clear. Also the most OP tech tree tank is maybe WT auf PZ4
clever void
Well. We agree on that🤓
Su122-54 as well. I heard rumors of a dpm nerf for it but hope they leave it alone
meager spruce
SU122-54 nerf? I do not think that will happen. It is perfectly fine is it is atm
clever void
🤞
orchid grove
@knotty cave Be honest. When's the last time in ANY game where you actually paid attention to a tutorial?
knotty cave
You aren’t wrong, but I believe at least something would stick into peoples brains if they are forced to go through a 30min tutorial to learn the basics.
unique scaffold
The players who retain things from tutorials aren't the problem. Players who learn from tutorials are the same players who watch YouTube, study tank stats, and seek out knowledge from better players.
The players who need better tutorials, training, and help are the same players who think they are great and that their game is perfect.... It's just that the game is rigged against them.
dim field
Dunning kruger effect
potent knot
Hey
tranquil knot
@lusty silo pls buff t 44 100 and kpfpz 70 and give t49 a legendary camo pls
dim field
What buffs do you have in mind for 44 100 and kp?
minor cobalt
dusky oxide
Spartacus is sadly right. And the playerbase being young, theres a high chance to meet this kind of typesm
visual nimbus
T49 could use a legendary camouflage:^
flat zephyr
Buff AMX 30B 😐
teal olive
What buff would you give it @flat zephyr
flat zephyr
A bit traverse speed, and at least get it's hull like the 30 1er
The least things that I would buff about it
wet wharf
For the T-49, I think the HE rounds should be made non premium (Therefore T-49 will not have premium rounds) and that the standard HEAT should be slightly buffed. If WG does not buff the heat, than just make dispersion better.
wet wharf
Yeah, T-49 gets chewed up by any medium or even light which can resist its HE (Eg. T-54 lightweight)
dim field
If you wanna buff those, nerf somthing else please
wet wharf
At least reduce the cost of the HE round for T-49 from being Premium cost to Standard cost
dim field
Yeah, dispersion buff and shell velocity buff would possibly be an over buff. T49 is usually best used as an ambusher. You're supposed to run around and hit wnemy tanks from the side and run back into cover.
Speedy tank with a nuke, don't want it being used as a sniper
If you wanna buff the velocity and dispersion, decrease the dmg or pen or something. I think the t49 is fine as is.
orchid grove
I think the 49 as is, but honestly, the HE rounds shouldn't be premium shells
visual nimbus
Fun comes at a cost with that tank...
leaden onyx
Watch out wargaming, i got a new tank game in the works that may or may not be better than your game
why is the slowmode like 1 minute? good lord. oh nvm i just realised im in balance discussion
teal olive
@orchid grove I love the 49 for a meme tank when I want to have fun. But I raged so much in it, not because I missed but because of how much money I knew I spent by missing. No reason why that tank should murder people’s credits like it does.
ebon compass
Give 49 it’s original module damage back, I miss getting 2-3 ammoracks per game
twilit crystal
t49 should get a 960 dmg 1 penetration HE shell
indigo knot
I wish kpf70 HE shell could be buffed for 700 alpha same as t49......
gilded lake
Plz buff the KV 1S reload, had the tank from beginning and was heaps fun to drive now I get one shot in and have to duck and weave
slim rivet
The amount of s h it we can read here is beyond imagination
unique scaffold
@slim rivet language man, in this server there are some kids after all
@ebon compass maybe not the original value but sure the nerf brought it to the ground, yes, T49 was nerfed too much... And Kpfpz 70 HE could be better yes @indigo knot
deft owl
@gilded lake No.
wet wharf
T-49 He should not be premium. Seriously ,this tank aint op and it shouldn't have to be so expensive to run
gilded lake
Alrighty then
wet wharf
T-49 cant even one shot RHM Borsigs anymore (Unless lucky ammorack)
unique scaffold
Spor
🔛🔙🔜
How much many do you need expiriance for KV13?
A61K
B5?K
C*bigK
What?
warm tide
@unique scaffold its different for each tank, kv2 and kv 1s
unique scaffold
@warm tide ...C?
warm tide
yea. just use kv2
deft owl
@wet wharf T-49 he rounds counts as premium he because its splash damage is insane compared to regular 150mm guns.
gentle sand
Is it worth to buy one of the dragon tanks?
jovial lodge
I don't think so it is very similar to( is) family if you have is6-5 you will find it same in the battle
unique scaffold
I honestly prefer the 112 over the is5-- hide the lower plate, keep moving so enemies cant hit the cupolas and its good
jovial lodge
Ya sure you can't compare sheep tank like is5 to 112 but it's more similar to is6 in my opinion
twilit crystal
Another really example of balance from WG with the 55 to 65% was the french lights nerf. Nobody ever said the french lights besides the 13 75 were OP. Infact people thought the original 13 90 was balanced or acutally slightly UP. Yet WG nerfed it pretty badly
knotty cave
The 112 is a solid tier 8 heavy. Just pretty bad accuracy
And type 62 is a given good tank.
We don’t talk about the third one
twilit crystal
the blaze is actually pretty decent after the buff. The aim time is really good
safe canopy
blaze is practically a tier 7 grille imo plays really similair i really like it
twilit crystal
^
flat zephyr
@twilit crystalblaze could have some more buffs ,but it is now more balanced. It was no where near balance before and it's actually second buff for blaze
twilit crystal
lol the original blaze was garbage. It was still quite garbage after but the 2nd buff gives it a niche
flat zephyr
The original blaze had reload of a 152 with aim of a 152 but a 122 gun😐. Also it wouldn't traverse it's hull
twilit crystal
id say now I just play it like a medium
unique scaffold
Only tank in the bunch that of want is the Type 62.... But I've already got it and even if I didn't I wouldn't buy those other two tanks just to get it.
dusky oxide
It was sold during winter holidays for 7500 gold
humble olive
I'd love to get type 62 for 6000 gold now... If it didn't came in a bundle....
visual nimbus
Same
dim field
I bought the Glacial.
Now the collection is complete
visual nimbus
limpid ivy
I'm wondering if all guns that can one-shot, be nerfed so they can't get close to one hitting
gilded pivot
No that's how some people like it... And sometimes they don't always do one shots... Coz it's mainly HE that does the one shot
limpid ivy
but saying, remove the chance of one shotting
dim field
You balance oneshots by how easy it is for them to oneshot, and how rasy it is for them to be oneshot (or taken out while reloading)
limpid ivy
KV-2 and 183 disprove that
crystal spoke
Another balancing point is accuracy and reload time
unique scaffold
Kv-2 got a bit of a nerf but I see smashers as the biggest problem lol
fleet sorrel
smashers need a nerf as soon as possible
crystal spoke
Personally I have more of an issue fighting su152s then smashers
dim field
Kv-2 and 183 do not disprove it as you can use what i said as a possible argument that they aren't balanced.
limpid ivy
they're still an issue
earlier today there was a huge argument that KV-2 needs HE and camouflage nerfed
crystal spoke
The only time I've died to a smasher was when I had 200hp left after fighting a tiger p and he finished me off
brisk lily
KV-2 needs it camo nerfed?
🤣 It's camo is worse than a building sitting on a flat surface in the middle of nowhere
limpid ivy
apparently many users in this server find that it can pop in around the corner out of being hidden
brisk lily
That would be something I wish would happen to my Grille :c
unique scaffold
It should have been removed
crystal spoke
^
dim field
I'm not disagreeing that there is a problem with the kv-2/183.
limpid ivy
I think all cannons that can one hit, should get the alpha and splash nerfed so they can't one-hit anymore
ripe oasis
The Emil needs buffs, change my mind
iron lynx
Eh
Maybe.
brisk lily
Make the Emil more depressing if you know what I mean
ripe oasis
I don't think it can get any worse
But on a serious note. I don't even think it should exist it wot B, the maps are too small for the poor thing. It's slow, too unarmored, and easy to be demolished. It should either get a speed buff, or much more camo rating. That's just my judgement, or hell, even remove the unnecessary 105mm
brisk lily
gives 150mm for top gun
main tulip
They should give it the Skorpion’s gun with a 10.5 second reload, and buff the top speed to 35, and engine power by 100 HP
Also perhaps a small buff to the gun arc
ripe oasis
Higher alpha damage 🤔
limpid ivy
high alpha is the reason many don't like this game
gilded pivot
Meh I do like it coz of high alpha... Most people like high alpha... And if you remove one shot tanks/nerf them WG would lose a lot of players
limpid ivy
as sad as it is, WG is dependent on them
austere swift
teal raptor
elfin marlin
KV-2 is fine as it is. It Has a long reload, bad accuracy, slow traverse and turret traverse ans a slow speed and a long aiming time. If you get shot by the IV-2 it will be your own fault that you aren't aware where he is on the map so you could hide from him. The 183 camo nerf was a bit to far.
meager spruce
No. The cammo nerf was needed. Prove me wrong
dusky oxide
How aware do you think the avg tier 6 player is?
digital fiber
for how much gold you can sell Sentinel?
meager spruce
@digital fiber are you talking about AC1 Sentinel or AC4 Sentinel
digital fiber
AC4
meager spruce
@digital fiber AC 4 sentinel can not be sold for gold as it is a collector tank and is a premium tank<
On the other hand AC1 Sentinel can be sold for gold
digital fiber
Ahh, there was an idea in my mind to sell all low tier premium tanks that I for sure woudn't use and buy some bundle. From all low tier premium tanks I would have 5550 Gold. With Sentinel I could've buy Tier 8 Tank
For now I can buy 135G FT Blaze
unique scaffold
If I already have the SU-122-44, it is worth the WZ Blaze to have? Both Tier 7 122 mm and the SU has a much better credit coefficient and reload
misty quest
You cant have 2 183s in a battebthey are too op together, #fixMatchmaking
unique scaffold
#RemoveThe183
Doesnt fit the line
Goes from armored tanks with high rates of fire to a tank with no armor and a low rate of fire
indigo knot
I have had battle with 6 183s in both teams........that game was most boring I had played till date.....i mean total 6
twilit crystal
atleast the camo nerf on the 183 speeds up the game
robust plaza
O
cobalt crane
@misty quest 183 is bad you just have to play better
twilit crystal
`I cry when I see 2 death stars on my team. Its almost a certain loss
stoic light
If you play smart you should not have to worry about a 183.
twilit crystal
I agree with the camo nerf unless you got a stock crew you should be good
misty quest
-_-boi
cunning compass
This game so stupid 5.10 testers said that BL 10 will get Removed from ISU 152. Just because crybabies gets rekt of it. Nerfing Pen and rate of fire with new gun. Insane
violet burrow
But I like that replacement as an ISU player myself
dim field
Wait what....are they actually removing the ISU gun?
crystal spoke
I doubt it but I'd watch #game-news
cunning compass
BL 10removed from ISU152 + getting rate of fire nerf. And at the same time they gonna give Jagdtiger 560 alpha/ shot and rate of fire nerf.
twilit crystal
uh fake nooz.
cunning compass
Shcwalbes server. Some people got information.. lemme show u.
dim field
Hopefully it's fake
crystal spoke
Yeah I'd just watch #game-news I have my doubts about this
cunning compass
twilit crystal
yeah ik all that info im assuming its fake.
FYI its not even confirmed by those people. Only confirmed information is on wotb post about the 5.10 open test which is confirmed basically as a legitimate proposal and is likely but not 100% confirmed to enter game
unique scaffold
DON'T TOUCH MY EXP DAMNIT, i have Lowe and M4A1 Revalorisé, I don't need another 105 mm, and I don't want to buy the T34 to get the American 120 mm gun. If they are going to touch premium tanks, then I demand they nerf some like the troll WZ-120-1G FT. To think they even sold the two M6A2E1 variants not much time ago. If they want to do such changes for real, then they better think before selling a tank they want to remove and one they want to castrate (yes, castrate, because the 120 mm gun has 248 mm pen, and the 105 mm gun from T32 just 198 mm). No, I paid for that tank with money for its original characteristics, and I will not stand for this, if the news are correct.
clever void
You tell em bozz
unique scaffold
You can bet, if this is the policy about also the premium tanks my wallet and some others will be closed permanently, they can't be trusted if you pay and then they want to change the characteristics of the tank you paid money for, for the worst. The main force of the EXP is the frontal armor coupled with the punching T53A1 120 mm gun. Remove it, and the EXP becomes simply another Lowe, more expensive and with way less credit coefficient. To do this is a suicide for them, because they lose the trust of many paying customers.
stoic light
Yea the 120 is much more of a problem than any other t8 premium
hushed fox
I call BS, no way they will give the batchats a 4th round
unique scaffold
That would make my day if it was true...sadly I don't think it is.
hushed fox
Yea would be strong for light tank guys with skills right? 😃
unique scaffold
I just want the BC 25T to have 350 alpha.
clever mauve
Don’t listen to nubs with fake news ^^^^^^
hushed fox
That would totally de-nut the M6 too, ruin it. Would be no reason to ever use it again, Lowe or M4 mle.49 would be a much better choice
clever mauve
Someone said Lowe was next to get a nerf after the ram 2 ...
unique scaffold
Don't believe anything you read until it is officially posted by Wargaming
i want to know how to join the beta test ?
@unique scaffold. You are disqualified if you post in the wrong area.
Seriously. If you play on NA you are not eligible. The test server is only open to RU players with over a certain number of games. It may also be available to EU players but I don't know the details.
I have a RU account and NA account
im sorry
Is that legal?
i was trying to get help @unique scaffold but thanks for helping and i play on EU main Na sometimes
This is #tank-balance-discussion . It is not #opentest-discussion.
oh wait im sorry i miss clicked the channels since its modify discord ill leave to another place but where though ? @unique scaffold
hearty viper
Hola
gilded pivot
Don't name and shame... Just make a ticket and u put it in the wrong channel
flat zephyr
So why did you send it here?
crystal spoke
No naming and shaming (I'd send a ticket with evedance proving it)
vital bolt
I sent it here to prevent others players
crystal spoke
Its naming and shaming and isnt aloud here
flat zephyr
You mean allowed?
gilded pivot
Same thing
crystal spoke
...yeah
vital bolt
Sorry... I thought I would do well
flat zephyr
Just report it in a ticket and we are all fine
vital bolt
Yes, I did it, but I though sent that would be good to warn others players
flat zephyr
👌
soft egret
if they Nerf the isu they will officially be considered a non wot game if they remove the m6 prem tanks they are saying goodbye to money from new players and saying goodbye to og wotb players (including me) im not happy with these changes if all are passed and approved i will go back to world of tanks mercenaries. If these come to pass, I came to blitz to get away from all the strategy and artillery tanks and tier 8 tanks going against tier 10 tanks. i didn't put almost 1000$ dollars into my blitz account to have certain tanks im collecting in the future removed or modified/nerfed entirely leaving said tanks as weak former ghost of themselves im especially shocked to hear this when im coming up on a big raise at my job where'as i was preparing to pay alot more for tanks in this game.
native harness
Amen brother
faint pewter
Yea. The removal of the geese are the most dumbest decision ever. I paid good money for them. And its seems like Wg is getting lazy. If a premium tanks needs a nerf its turned to a collector tank because nerfing prems is a no no. The player base and Wg have a non official agreement. We the players buy premium tanks. Wg keeps making more tanks. The players keep buying. If tank is broke then Wg can't nerf and only buff a bit or make other tanks better to go against said broke tank
gilded pivot
That's fake news
faint pewter
I thought the nerf of the ram was fake @gilded pivot
gilded pivot
I was meaning the removal of the geese
faint pewter
If the ram is getting nerfed then the geese getting removed is really believable. Especially after the tech tree stunt they pulled
gilded pivot
No... There was a clan that made up a while lot of BS and the geese removal was part of it... Nothing about the Ram
faint pewter
Why the ram tho? Is it because not many people have it and Wg wants to see what happens when they nerf a premium tank
gilded pivot
IDK
faint pewter
Rip ram
clever void
Tbh you would expect them to at least give back what the player paid for them
faint pewter
Hmm
shut finch
hello
stone frigate
ah f*** this game lol
faint pewter
F in the chat for Ram ii
stone frigate
i havent played this game for months ever since the update where they removed t1 ands other tanks
faint pewter
Rip
stone frigate
now i come back and the t46 got boned so hard. it used to be so OP and now its not even balanced its just a horrible tank now
same with the pz s35 that tank used to be so good and now its slower penetration sucks and aim time is not what it used to be
soft egret
tbh guys just look at the tech tree and compare it to any other version of world of tanks its in shambles ever since they removed the original tier 1s and like more then half of the tier 5 and 6 tier positions the game feels empty i really miss the nostalga of it once being a direct copy of world of tanks (pc) and world of tanks (mercenaries) now to play said tiers i have to get on the pc version or console version
stone frigate
ms1 was super op t46 was super op pz s35 was super op and obviously a lot more
i get that but cmon u didnt have to straight up remove them or make them bad tanks
meager spruce
Where are we even talking about mod1?
deft owl
@drowsy rivet Tier 1-4 premiums nerfed.
unique scaffold
@drowsy rivet. Language.
This is all rumor until you get official confirmation from Wagaming. Stop getting all worked up over it.
For the record Wargaming has always been able to adjust premium s. Read the terms of the EULA that you agreed to when you started playing this game. The fact that they have rarely done something does not mean but they cannot do it.
drowsy rivet
Well there are also rumours of the geese being removed
And WG thinks it all g to nerf premiums which I thought was a big no no...
drowsy plaza
WG has always had the right to modify ANY tank for balance etc.
@faint pewter buffing around broken Premiums just throws balance out the window. You get a ripple effect through all tiers instead of fixing a few broken tanks. I’m a significantly large Wallet Warrior and I support nerf’s to Premiums when needed. It is simply better for the game as a whole.
unique scaffold
M6 EXP is NOT unbalanced in any way, possibly is one of the more balanced tanks I have ever used, it takes skill to use its main advantages and to hide the weak points or to try to stop others from flanking. If there's a premium to be nerfed, NECESSARILY, is the WZ troll TD, not EXP.
twilit crystal
very few tiers 6 and and only a few tier 5s were touched
unique scaffold
What about the rumor of changing the 75 mm alpha from 160 to 120 also on Tier 5 and 6? Vehicles like Strv 74A2, T-25, T14 and such, will be subjected to this treatment?
drowsy plaza
Why not study to facts not rumors.
crystal spoke
Unless wg makes a post about it I'd take everything with a grain of salt
flat zephyr
@drowsy plaza well you don't seem to be a significant waller warrior
quick lichen
Oh that’s funny
jade cargoBOT
Benmark#8911 was muted
drowsy plaza
@flat zephyr yes cause missing one premium makes me a peasant I suppose.
minor pollen
@drowsy plaza i don.t use premium does that make me a peasant?
flat zephyr
Well then might be the same about that one, but just supporting premium nerf isn't logical for me
crystal spoke
Does getting someone else to buy your premiums make me a peasant?
quick lichen
What’s not logical?
minor pollen
no
quick lichen
Wg can outright nerf or buff whatever they want
drowsy plaza
The health of the game in general requires tank balance. So needed nerf’s to Premiums needs to occur at times
quick lichen
Or make it a collector and then buff/nerf it
drowsy plaza
That is shady AF in my opinion
quick lichen
This comes with community backlash however. So they weigh game quality against community outrage
flat zephyr
@quick lichen I Know they can but they haven't done it till now.
And the part that isn't logical for me is that I'm spending real money. At least I get something that I'm sure it won't change. Else it is risking your money
quick lichen
If it’s a collector first, then they haven’t nerfed a premium 😉
flat zephyr
I heard they nerfed type59 in wot pc and the outrage was more than expected
quick lichen
If they nerf a premium, owners should get an amount of gold as compensation
crystal spoke
It's no different then preordering a game they can and will almost always change the game
unique scaffold
@flat zephyr My point. WG wants balance? There's no reason to nerf M6 EXP, bu WZ 120 TD yes
flat zephyr
@quick lichen I don't have any problem at nerfing collectors. But premims, were bought as premiums
unique scaffold
@flat zephyr Exactly
quick lichen
That’s the wg loophole
Make a premium into a collector
Then nerf
Don’t like it?
Sell for gold
That’s the simple version
flat zephyr
Well we haven't seen that in tier 6 and higher🤔
quick lichen
Where exactly does it say that the m6 exp is getting nerfed?
flat zephyr
Predetor and vindi were told that they can be nerfed in their event so not much premium actually
@quick lichen I have no idea I woke up this morning and saw this argument here.
quick lichen
The funny thing is when premiums get buffed. I didn’t see anyone get mad when they buffed the t34. Wg didn’t make you give them more money to keep the same but now better tank
flat zephyr
Buffing them is to get them to the balance needed. No one will get mad to see the expenses they made are becoming to a more use one
quick lichen
It’s hypocritical to get mad about a nerf but not a buff if people use the “I bought the tank as listed and you changed it” line
This should be a double edged sword
That’s my point
flat zephyr
Nerfing is to get the balance too, but no one will be happy to see their money is now worth less
quick lichen
Wz 120 td owners know that they are living in a perfect world
They’ve been allowed to abuse that tank for months
They’ve gotten their money’s worth out of it
flat zephyr
I have the wz120 ft, not even 50 battles in it. I know it is op, I know I can play pretty well, so I'm not going to use it
quick lichen
Any tier 8 premium that people are 3king is pretty suspicious
flat zephyr
Nerf that to hell I don't care about one single to be nerfed, but if nerfing one is a green mark to be able to nerf all, then no thanks
@quick lichen well I did 3k with ltwt, with jg.8.8, with jpanter2, with isu, so they need a nerf then
quick lichen
Isu ltwt and jp2 aren’t surprises to me
unique scaffold
I have one more idea, make M6 EXP a collector, they give 10k gold plus other gold from selling it. That's the only way I could be satisfied
flat zephyr
Even the rhm I did 3k
shut finch
Hello Pros's
quick lichen
Be realistic
unique scaffold
@quick lichen The rumors said the M6 EXP would be nerfed and given 10k gold for that
flat zephyr
@quick lichen 2500 is tier 7, maybe 4000 ?
shut finch
FacePalm
quick lichen
Kv-13 was 1500
unique scaffold
T22 is a collector, not a straight premium tank like EXP is @quick lichen
flat zephyr
Predetor and vindi are 2500 I think and smasher is 5000
quick lichen
And premiums don’t sell for gold @unique scaffold
shut finch
only i have is tier 6 ._.
unique scaffold
Then they can't change the EXP gun "just because". I paid for a 120 mm, not a 105 mm.
flat zephyr
@quick lichen t22 is 7500? I think 30B is 7500 too let me check
shut finch
rip
quick lichen
You paid for some files in an app
shut finch
can anyone should help me?
unique scaffold
And rest assured, i will not pay a single cent any more if they nerf a premium
quick lichen
This hasn’t even been confirmed yet
flat zephyr
@quick lichen so let us have that files at least🤦🏻♂️
And a question: t22 was at 15000 when it first came?
shut finch
Balalalalala
flat zephyr
M6 exp getting its pc version stats isn't a nerf, it's a change but not a nerf. It all depends to the thing that players will be happy about the change or not
unique scaffold
@flat zephyr I would not change a 248 mm pen 120 mm gun with a 105 mm with 198 mm pen, wouldn't i
flat zephyr
It doesn't have 198 pen its 240 I guess
unique scaffold
It's from T32, it should be 198 pen
flat zephyr
But I would gladly change it if it has more dpm as it needs to be out there, get shots
And it's not from t32. The Chrysler is from t32 but m6 isn't
unique scaffold
You paid for entertainment value. At its core it is really no different than buying a movie ticket, only that the entertainment value you get from this purchase lasts much longer than your movie ticket. Nothing that you bought in this game is actually yours. You are renting the ability to play a unique product for an undisclosed amount of time. That product can be changed if the owners of said product decide to change it.
I hate to break it to you but if Blitz closes up shop tomorrow they aren't going to mail everybody shiny little models of all the tanks they've bought. That money and those tanks are just gone.
flat zephyr
@unique scaffold you could use that entertainment without paying also, you could go home and watch movie there
And even if you compare it with movie tickets, it they change the movie you can have your money back
The thing you say are true but
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold good argument, but if they are going to let unbalanced tanks like the WZ TD be in game unchanged, because of premium status, I buy premiums because of the same principle. They nerf a good and balanced premium? They will not see any more money from me and possibly all the EXP owners, not to mention many others who cannot trust WG any more after this episode
Both comments are irrelevant. Watching a movie at home is not relevant. The movie being changed after you pay to watch in the theater is also irrelevant.
crystal spoke
You can just play tech tree
unique scaffold
When you buy a product in this game you are purchasing entertainment value for an undisclosed amount of time.
flat zephyr
If they nerf premium tanks, simply I would go for the charge back and never return to any of Wg's products. EZ like that
Since this game is already dead for most loyal players and pro veterans
unique scaffold
It really isn't but whatever.
The amount of tears being shed for unsubstantiated rumors over digital product that you never actually owned blows my mind.
flat zephyr
Well it's dead to me, my whole team, my whole former clanmates, and beside , even the champions left the game(LGN) 😐
strong condor
People said this game is dead 4 years ago, still going
flat zephyr
How it was dead 4 years ago since it exists about 5 years🤔? Dead from beginning?🤔
I played this game for more than 4 years, had fun for almost 3 years of it. Then nope the game was not fun at all
unique scaffold
Exactly. There are forum posts about how the game is dying six months after it was released. Players come and players go. That is normal in the lifespan of most games.
flat zephyr
But I can swear this game was more fun to play at beginning than now
strong condor
If you and your friends stop playing and dont enjoy it anymore, it doesnt mean game is dead or dying
crystal spoke
Why play a game you don't enjoy
flat zephyr
So you want to say the game is on the rise? It is getting better but no it's not as good as it used to be
@crystal spoke because this game showed it can be fun and enjoyable, I continued with the hope to see those days again
crystal spoke
I guess that makes sense
flat zephyr
@strong condor BTW blitz has lost so many of it's old players you can't deny that. If a game is doing well, it shouldn't lose so many players. It did some things wrong that made that happen
strong condor
Im not saying it is doing well, just saying its not dead or dying. People said same thing over 3 years ago "old players quitting". Op premium tanks doesnt help even tho veterans mostly dont care lower tiers. But its annoying it takes sooooo long to nerf tech tree tank that is clearly op
unique scaffold
Every game has turnover. It is expected. Turnover ≠ the game dying
flat zephyr
I think first half if 2018 was the worst part for blitz. It is now much better than those days, but since they showed they can do much better than this, I'm not satisfied yet.
And the thing that they understand to fix something takes so long is their biggest weakness I guess
😐 why did I delete that
I said it was more like a free fall to me than a turnover
twilit crystal
anyway I dont believe WG would actually remove the m6 exp before the wz 120
flat zephyr
There is no reason to remove
twilit crystal
anyway there was a serious decline in game balance after tournaments came to the game. Thats when they got mad the twister cup was all mediums but actual t10 was more diverse but they balanced the entire game over 1% of the players
unique scaffold
I concur. Balancing tanks around the the incredibly small pool of best players in the game seems like a mistake to me. @twilit crystal
tame rover
Oof
dusky oxide
Consequently tourneys are now full of is4s and tier 10 is filled with heavies and at least 5 TDs in most matches. Mediums became the unpopular class of t10 and passive playstyles took over.
distant river
Now at tier 7 thr meta is full of mediums and it is the most fun ive had in ages, would love to see this back in higher tiers
dusky oxide
Though past things always seem better than what they actually were, I dont see how theyve managed to make tier x less diverse when theyve added many lines in the meantime. Every match feels the same.
strong condor
Make clan wars great again and nerf is4
twilit crystal
anyway about the next mad games I hope they buff thenearly useless sabotuer perk(useless compared to healing or super ram or take like20% dmg) by cancelling 50 meters proxy spotting if you have it
vivid citrus
nerf is4
hearty viper
Hi
atomic marten
Nerf the Batchat it has too much armor
twilit crystal
lol the armor is really troll af tho
jade cargoBOT
Wannabeunicum#7220 has been warned.
cobalt crane
?
flat zephyr
Well I guess he said before tagging
dull saddle
Well he tagged me twice but removed one of the tags, lol
jagged helm
Idk someone deleted my message or else
I needed to tag to enter in private discussion sorry lol
indigo knot
Is it just me or Waffle tractor in good hands is OP
brisk lily
Yes
indigo knot
I mean a player who just knows basics of the game can easily make it work
pale pike
Is KV-2 meant to one shot any VI US tanks?
crystal spoke
It can
pale pike
Shoot.
crystal spoke
Kv2 can one shot most t6 tanks
willow hornet
latent sail
It can one shot all tier 6 tanks
brisk lily
For some tanks it needs to achieve a slight high roll
And it can’t one shot TOG II
unless a fire or ammorack
subtle moat
Buff the kv4 please
I'm tired of getting pen by every tank. In battles everyone aims for me, they can have a tiger2 or ru251 in front of me in the open with low hp and they will aim after me and pn me like if I'm a light tank. When I side scrape I get pen by mostly all tier 8s. Please give it a little more armor and keep the tier 9 gun because the gun is even
nimble zodiac
The turret cheeks are weak, side armor needs quite the angle too. I don’t see KV-4 as a threat unless supported by a team
nimble zodiac
It may be the side of your turret, how hard are you angling it?
subtle moat
I angle it in many ways like I have my tank flush against the wall, I have my tank a little in from the wall and I sometimes have my but stick out in an angel that it will bounce anything
And my type 62 and 121B needs some help with bottom armor. Yes I understand 121B has amazing turret armor but come on at least give the hull some armor and thpe 62 that tank just needs at least like 3 or 10 + more mm
nimble zodiac
Mediums are not too intended to be armored, even heavies are weak on their lower glacis
subtle moat
So explain the superpershing
clever void
It’s very slow.
nimble zodiac
Also that T26E4’s lower glacis is weak, if angled, the front wheel can be shot, let’s take it to #vehicles-discussion
subtle moat
It's still a mid and in mobile u cant pn front for nothing
And a lot of people dont know that soooooo I'm still asking for like couple mms of armor on type 62 and 121B
And t62-A that tank is loaded with armor and its tier 10 just likethe 121B
indigo knot
I would really be pleased if WG buffed 121b module damage
Its gets on fire whenever you get hit by 120+ caliber gun....I even use protective kit
subtle moat
Ikr
nimble zodiac
Larger calibers seem to damage more modules, probably because the shell is larger and will fragmentize more
subtle moat
But explain the t62a
nimble zodiac
It’s a little more purposed to be a med, let’s take it back to vehicles. Gotta go tho, ttyl, good night
river escarp
What is the problema for you server ?
zinc sky
wargaming you serious nerfed mauschen
flat zephyr
No they joked about it😐
faint pewter
Oh. That's supposed to go to the me mes
quick lichen
It’s not a meme
jade cargoBOT
Zante197 [CZPRE]#3578 was muted
velvet star
Ferdinand (VIII) isn't balanced. Jpanther II maybe is?
balmy juniper
@velvet star JPanther 2 is feed needs tweaking
visual ivy
what do you mean chaiotic? buff or nerf? i think its super strong as is
gray nexus
Jp 2 needs gun arc buff or hull/side armour buff
grave bear
true lol, if u do bas in jp II means that u re a bit the problem, not the tank
twilit crystal
JP2 is still useles next to WZ
unique scaffold
WZ deserves a Nerf
indigo knot
Wz is tier 9 or 8.75 tank at tier 8
unique scaffold
@fast ravine. That isn't balance related at all.
frank belfry
Pls buff the 183 camo back...
meager spruce
NO, GOD NO!!! If you want to deal 1200 per shot you will have to sacrifice something to the other player and that sacrifice is cammo
clever void
I want to deal 1500 per shot...
frank belfry
Rebuff the camo back, we need it. Too much pain.
unique scaffold
@frank belfry. Play a real tank.
clever void
I have a hunch that the 183 will stay nerfed until all the nubs move into jageroo. Then when nobody thinks about it anymore they will buff it into usefulness again
neon grail
jgpz e 100 is relevant, but is 183 still better?
clever void
No. Jageroo is now a much more effective tank
sharp hinge
!rank
worn sierra
wrong server
paper jacinth
Personally I think the smasher should be buffed a little and made into a tier 8
nimble zodiac
Agreed. Smasher is evil in tier 7
paper jacinth
I love my smasher to death, but it would be so much nicer to have it as an 8 you know
Maybe increase he penetration, buff the armor a bit and the health and it would be perfect
grave bear
even without buffs smasher is okay at tier 8.
i mean, its global stats can be compared with tiers 9 and 10.
@paper jacinth LMAO increase he penetration??? do you know that 95 he pen is already op even in tier x?
you basically want your op tier 7 to be an op tier 8
paper jacinth
Yes, but that's the whole point of the kv2 and the smasher, they have a high chance to penetrate he shells with massive damage
quick lichen
I don’t think you know how derp guns work
grave bear
You're a bit wrong. 150mm guns should have all the same he pen, at all tiers
so, su152 has 95 he pen, obj268 should have smt like 150, just because su152 can pen more with HE than 268????
lmao he want a turretted tier 8 with relatively good armor , with 270 gold pen capable of penning tiers 8 with HE as easy as kv2 can
nimble zodiac
I feel left out because I use gun rammer for my derp 😛
grave bear
smasher has basically same reload as e100
with a better tier x tier Gold pen
paper jacinth
For 1, kv2 can't penetrate he shells very well. Even if it remotely has armor on it you have to get a specific angle to pen. Secondly, a smasher on tier 8 would be less op then a smasher on tier 7 because of the armor difference in 8s
grave bear
tier 7 or 8, smasher can pen every frontal armor with heat and every side armor with ap
also you can random spam HE to enemy tanks and do 350-450 dmg
nimble zodiac
Once you hit tier VIII, the game almost relies on if people pen each other
grave bear
smasher needs reload and accuracy nerf, that's it.
paper jacinth
Granted, the heats penetrate very well, all the more reason it should be a tier 8, but increasing penetration on he shells to like 110 would not be nearly as op as you say it will
grave bear
270 gold pen is enough to pen frontally 90% of tier 8 tanks without aiming
@paper jacinth 110 he pen? why the hell? 640 isnt enough and you want 1000?
Smasher cant be compared with kv2, they're 2 totally different tanks.
they have just same shape
and no, 150mm gun with 110 HE pen has no sense
buff e100 HE pen to 140 so
paper jacinth
... the smasher concept was literally derived from the kv2 dude
grave bear
@paper jacinth you dude cant understand well how game works
kv2 and smasher shares only the shape of the tank.
one is paper armored, the other has a very reliably armor.
one has horrible ap/ _ap / pen and relies on HE,
the other has broke gold pen.
nimble zodiac
Literally he said that they had similar shapes
Maybe increase tog speed to 18 km/h :3
quick lichen
I think we should stop here
paper jacinth
The penetration is op on heats, raising the smasher to 8 would make it less op
quick lichen
This isn’t productive in the first place
grave bear
buffing HE pen on smasher to make it looking same to kv2 tier for tier, makes it broke as hell
because kv2 has paper armor and no ap pen
smasher has armor and op gold pen
nimble zodiac
Okie Riakkonen, #vehicles-discussion perhaps?
paper jacinth
I just joined, i didn't know there was a channel for that lol. Meet you there @grave bear
grave bear
im sure that this is the right channel
odd hornet
hello
quick lichen
The channel isn’t the issue
This issue is arguing for no reason
Let’s just move on
paper jacinth
He's right, that got a little heated
clever void
@rigid wigeon
rigid wigeon
What
clever void
just wanted to say hi
rigid wigeon
#off-topic-discussion @clever void
clever void
😄
brave thorn
Rly good balance matchmaking👌
indigo knot
German high tier tanks need a bit of love
E100 Grille15cm Kpf70.....need a bit of tweaking .....so does fv4202 and fv215b......
indigo knot
@brave thorn this is not the right channel #off-topic-discussion
brave thorn
WG Are total imbecil
unique scaffold
“My wr is die”
clever void
Some grammer nazi was bound to step in to correct this horrendous error
nimble zodiac
Nah
They seem balanced enough
@indigo knot you forgot to request it for VK 72.01 K, that thing has 4 weakspots
unique scaffold
Lol
unique scaffold
my wr is die😤 😤 😤 rEeEe
indigo knot
I haven't played that so I don't know much but I heard that its awful to play @nimble zodiac
unique scaffold
@brave thorn says the guy who just lost the majority of his matches 🤣
@unique scaffold stop
small flame
yeah well spartacus my stats in the vk 72 are pretty decent and i still say its garbage
unique scaffold
I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying that losing 24 out of 41 fights, posting to the wrong section, and then calling WG imbeciles is somewhat ironic.
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold you essentially just cyber bullied him without any constructive feedback, instead you made fun of him plus a extra emoji to make it worse. Good job. “Community Helper”
I don't recall him asking for help. Ranting and then insulting the developers is not the way to ask for help. If he wants a different response he should try a different approach.
In that case you should’ve not even responded. You’re a community helper for a reason. He surely didn’t ask for a response from you. You’re also not the WG spokesperson.
@unique scaffold really isn't any of your concern on how I choose to respond. At this point I'm done. This is not the matchmaking discussion channel. It is #tank-balance-discussion
Moving on.
There is no “matchmaking discussion” channel and he was complain about teams being unfair, in other words balance. So he did choose the right channel to rightly so complain about unfairness and balance.
dim field
unique scaffold
Where else can you discuss matchmaking? No where else. That’s a member not a WG staff or employee, doesn’t determine what you can say or can’t say. Balance is a general term.
@unique scaffold. It was pinned there by a mod for a reason. If you want to complain about matchmaking take it to #general-blitz-discussion . This is not the place for it. Move on please.
visual nimbus
How about we don’t discuss matchmaking at all? I mean the majority of the time it’s just ranting and spitting on WG. nothing positive comes out of that...
unique scaffold
I'm sold. Hopefully it won't be brought up again.
It wouldn’t matter, he should still be able to bring it up if he wishes. Pinned messages don’t show who done it so... And also, what positive comes out of discussing balance issues, they still spit/rant either way. They complain about Chrysler K through spitting and ranting. There’s no difference.
visual nimbus
Hmmmm
dim field
Only mods and wg can pin.
Complaining about things and spitting isn't discussion. It's midless ranting. If you want to complain and bring up actual changes thats one thing, but to just complain and spit is useless and thus not usually welcome.
visual nimbus
^
unique scaffold
Mines should be taken from high tiers, it's so small for a tier X battle
rare dome
Qui est francais