@unique scaffold I don't think wargaming cares about how a tank was in real life, but IS-4 does not have a 150mm gun and monster sideskirts. E100 traded those for a giant lower glacis. By your logic should the IS-7 get nerfed too it has a far small weakspot and a much better turret/sides and it too isn't a super heavy..
#tank-balance-discussion
thick rover
@teal olive Sorry just to clarify do you mean turret weakspot as in the metal plate on the forehead of the turret?
thick rover
But are tier x frontline heavies not supposed to have impenetrable turrets such as is7 and t110e5 with the exclusion of the conventional weakspots
thick rover
It has a higher skill cap for unicums? Being better than other tanks is different from being overpowered and needing a nerf. Accuracy and DPM is not surprising with that kind of calibre, I don't remember "true" heavies having the main role of dealing damage.
Then should obj 268 and T62A/Obj 140 be nerfed since they are most common in tournaments?
fossil crag
Armor in general needs a rebalance (in my opinion). With the introduction of calibrated shells, armor has lost it's value. Exception is maybe the Maus, but even then the upper hull of the Maus, when face hugging and angling, it becomes butter when tanks load calibrated HEAT.
meager spruce
😂
thick rover
Well they are still prevalent in the competitive scene so I don't know what else to say bout that
Indeed
That, I can agree with
amber monolith
Well, I think the super Sherman needs an alpha damage buff
wraith solar
T44 needs 10mm more pen
summer hornet
oof
unique scaffold
Yes!
tough jetty
So they’re buffing a tank they removed?
split pine
121 should go 60km/hr
hard cave
What's the point of weak-spots if you're going to strengthen them?
unique scaffold
Cupola
plain valve
depends on what weak points get strengthend, some are just needed a buff
silent patio
OMG! what a bots playing t34-2. he need not a buff
iron hearth
didnt they say we wont buff t34-3 rate of fire ...
honest fiber
Haha and now they will
urban solar
Churchill crocodile when
honest fiber
Can’t wait for the 34 2 buff tho!!
unique scaffold
Do what you need to do to make this game a better place and a better game 👌 nerf vk 100
modern rapids
Yay T-34-3 getting buffed
slim rivet
Agreed @unique scaffold and it doesn’t need that much work. Just remove all tds 😹
unique scaffold
Dont remove any tds but 183
woven grove
183 is awesome 😄
slim rivet
Unfortunately WG is taking another way by adding new tds lines 😱
unique scaffold
😂 yea 183 can be awesome in some way
halcyon matrix
T-34-2 is getting a buff... Nani? That tank is already one of the best tier 8 tanks in my opinion
unique scaffold
Logic
dark pike
that opinion is wrong
slim rivet
^^
dark pike
400 alpha on a medium tank is nothing special and the fire rate just hurts the tank even more
shy wren
It’s played more of a support/peek-a-boomer.
It’s not going tooth and nail against the other MTs such as the Russian Meds anyways. We’ll see what the buffs will bring to the table
slim rivet
According to the stats it’s the worst tier 8 med by far. Both in term of wr and damages @halcyon matrix @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
@slim rivet td is support tank if team are noob then td cant carry NOT FAULT OF TD only noob mediums and heavies are bad and need be banned
But really though tds are like a mutation that rapidly affect cell grow
slim rivet
I don’t know you but I ll assume it’s irony lol. Good one @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
Yes I’m joking I hate having campers with 640-900 alpha sitting at the back and deleting anyone who want to push
Anyone know what the new dpm will be for the t-34-3?
quick lichen
More than it is now
unique scaffold
Ah ok
exotic pelican
T-34-3 buff, nice, I really like the tank
lament vessel
Hm, i think reload will be 12s with all equips...
teal olive
@thick rover the 268 is the best TD at tier ten, but I don’t want it to be nerfed. Of all the TDs at the tier, I see obj 268 drivers actually using the tank correctly. Not yoloing like 263 drivers but not camping their butts off in spawn
shy wren
The 263 is meant to be very aggressive, highest DPM to boot and quite troll armor. As it possesses the lowest alpha at the tier in terms of TDs, it has to output the damage one way or another
exotic pelican
For the T-34-2 and 3 the only things they'd buff would probably be the 122mm guns because they have really bad DPM
I tend to use calibrated shells on my T-34-3 because it needs the pen and 297mm of average HEAT pen is really good
dusky oxide
Huh? Are they buffing it for real? Where'd you read?
kindred smelt
unique scaffold
Any ideas why the WZ-120-1GFT (the tier 8 premium Chinese TD) isn’t on the balance charts?
@lusty silo
quick lichen
Because it’s off the charts 😂
lusty silo
@unique scaffold
not popular enough, less than 1%
quick lichen
Skorpion g as well
exotic pelican
Gotta admit, that was a good joke
quick lichen
Both are insanely strong
lusty silo
@unique scaffold
it was in 5.4 charts - nothing changed in it stats
modern rapids
Guess it's time to bring it back for sale 👀
modern rapids
Lol
quick lichen
I bet the stats aren’t dissimilar to the vk 100
unique scaffold
I think they’re higher
quick lichen
Higher damage
unique scaffold
Way higher for sure
quick lichen
Wr idk
unique scaffold
The fact that I know several people who 3ked the thing is ridiculous
modern rapids
They may as well bring wz TD and T22 for sale together
unique scaffold
No!
modern rapids
You no
exotic pelican
T-34-2 and T-34-3: Bottom of the chart for damage and winrate
quick lichen
I think it’s funny that my wr just high enough to not be counted
unique scaffold
Is from Russia server anyway @quick lichen
They don’t collect stats from other server AFAIK
exotic pelican
I know the T-34-3 not on that chart because not enough battles in it but it's probably in the same situation as the T-34-2
unique scaffold
Yea most likely
exotic pelican
Bad DPM and bad Penetration, but high alpha and very nice HEAT, T-34-2 and 3 some of my favorites
unique scaffold
The higher penetration of the T-34-3 is what makes it very interesting
But I’d already had the T-34-2 when the 34-3 was for sale and they’re too similar that I decided not to buy
If the 34-3 gets a substantial buff though, might consider buying it
exotic pelican
T-34-3 has better armor but sides only go up by 5mm, for some reason the T-34-3 rear turret armor is 150mm which is probably where all the rest of the hull armor went, T-34-3 is also slower and more dispersion on the move but the additional hull armor is very useful
Oh, and the T-34-3 has a crazy ammo cap of 90 shells
lunar niche
Do you guys think T110E3 is overperforming both in terms of WR and dmg?
quartz crown
Super Unicums Hate this one Easy Trick
T-22 medium on sale
sullen vault
Super unicums hate this one simple trick
Buff the 183's alpha and camo rating
dusky oxide
T-34-3 feels so sluggish if youre used to the type 59's mobility
Why is t62a the be the worst performing med on the chart???
I understand why leo and 121b are at the back but the t62a? I always thought it was versatile enough to be a good tank. It even excels in gun handling and only trades gd and some alpha for it.
lunar niche
I atleast expected the avg dmg of T62a to be higher than most meds. Next buff incoming lol.
mellow cape
T-34-2 is nearly identical to T-34-3 so yeah most likely, but then again very few players bought it which could push the winrate up.
slim rivet
T62 is a bit harder to play cause of depression. I love him tho @dusky oxide
dusky oxide
Yeah but it still has armor, which is the most effective aspect to compensate for skill. How can it be harder to play than a leo?
Theyve buffed it on many occasions, how is it still performing badly?
slim rivet
Dunno it’s already good. Maybe the sample taken to compute stat is not good
dusky oxide
I guess the line is favoured by a lot of new players but the charts still only include 55-65%ers.
slim rivet
I mean, 55 to 65 is not that good, especially if u consider seal clubbers in it
dusky oxide
The point is that the performance of similar players on different tanks is measured. 55% is still high considering the avg is 48%
Ironically, the leo 1 is also a tank new players favor
slim rivet
True lol. I have no explanations save that t62 is a bit harder to play imo
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide the T62A isn’t that great of a tank
It’s the slowest medium at tier 10, has the worst gun depression, and while the turret is well armored, the rest of the hull is paper
Only redeeming aspects of the tank is it’s DPM, gun handling, and turret
dusky oxide
I dont think buffing its gun is gonna help but giving it something to make gameplay more fluid like more gun depression would yield a too influential outcome. Eg the e50m bacame better on so many new positions when they gave it 7°.
unique scaffold
^
The t62A is hard to balance IMO because if they do something like make it faster or give it more gun depression it will become better than the 140
dusky oxide
Youre right about that. I was just thinking it.
unique scaffold
I’d personally like to see the upper plate get buffed a bit more, it’s so easy to pen rn
dusky oxide
And theyve worked towards making the two different a couple times before. There wouldnt have been a change to the 140s gun if it wasnt for the 62a
unique scaffold
330mm base heat pen back?
You must be joking...
That would make the tank so overpowered it wouldn’t be funny
dusky oxide
2015 med meta ^^
unique scaffold
The game was completely different back then
A medium with 330 base heat pen in this current meta would be stupidly broken
dusky oxide
Im so sad i didnt drive a high tier med then :/
dusky oxide
I'd still rather be outplayed by a ultra high pen med than blasted by 3 camping high alpha TDs. Though the meds were camping in 2015 too, because they could just do that.
dusky oxide
I use calibrated shells on all my t10 meds, it feels failsafe
unique scaffold
I use CS on everything but the 140 and the 121
dusky oxide
I find 7-8seconds to be the most versatile reload time for a med and if you play a tank that can just sit hull down, you have the option to maintain control of the engagement in a lot of cases.
safe canopy
i only use CS on 140 lol
unique scaffold
there’s no point
safe canopy
oh and on leo 1
hearty cliff
Why there's no info on Chieftain/T95 and Wz120G FT?
unique scaffold
The HEAT pen doesn’t go to 330 with cs so it’s useless IMO
@hearty cliff seems they aren’t played enough to make it into the chart data
I asked the same question earlier
¯_(ツ)_/¯
140 has much better gun handling
And is faster
safe canopy
we all know wz-120G FT would be on top
unique scaffold
Also better DPM than the T-22
hearty cliff
Chieftain (T8) could use a buff tbh, WZ seems very decent
safe canopy
Decent? its way too OP imo ; speed, dpm, troll armor, mobility, camo rating
hearty cliff
Ye ok is OP af, but Chieftain isnt even worth playing, getting dinked for 1k from 150mm HE is demoralising to say the least
safe canopy
same with 59 patton and t95e2, they are basically the same tank
hearty cliff
Yup, there's nothing that makes them attractive
indigo knot
Grille needs buff.....buff the camo to 263 levels or traverse and gun bloom
safe canopy
grille is pretty good
coral nova
Grille traverse is so painful to play with tbh
Grille is great when u have team that knows what it's doing but when u have a team that doesn't it's awful
jovial kernel
Oh sweet they're gonna buff my dear KV-13 potentially
indigo knot
Yup thats what I feel too..... currently I find Wtpz4 better than grille in almost every aspect
dusky oxide
I hear the same often. Its a shame because the grille is a novel concept for the dynamic battlefield
atomic hound
Hallelujah the t34-3 is getting buffed!
It's gotta be my favourite tier 8 premium already, the this RoF buff has been a long time coming, but thank god it's happening. Reckon it'll be 5.9, or the update after?
safe canopy
@coral nova and yet grille has better traverse than 113
and if they buff the grille's traverse it'll be the same grille that they nerfed
atomic hound
Grille is not at all suited to the maps, the gun is amazing, sure, but the combo of no camo, terrible traverse that stops you getting into positions quickly, and garbage gun depression leave you screwed on plenty of maps, especially the smallest ones like dynasty's pearl...
safe canopy
dynasty pearl is indeed a stinker for the grille but you can get the gun depression better if you know how to position it
atomic hound
It has more at each side of the gun arc, sure, but it still sucks. Why you should give up all of the flexibility of the wt auf. pz. 4, with its amazing gun depression, camo, traverse speeds, and fully rotating gun, and some view range and bloom, only for a better gun I have no clue. The grille is another tank like the 183 that doesn't fit the line at all, though it hides it better than the 183 does. The lack of camo forces you into a completely different playstyle.
Doesn't help that tier 10 is saturated with guns that'll 2 shot you, either.
distant river
Sounds like you have been camping in the WT 🤔
atomic hound
No, not predominantly. I used the mobility and gun depression to relocate and get shots from odd positions regularly. Good luck doing that in a grille when you'll be spotted from 300m by a med.
Wt is my fav tier 9
distant river
Sounds like you are camping in a WT 🤔
autumn zodiac
Yes, a buff for KV-13, T-150, and T-34-3
atomic hound
If you're fighting right from the front you're doing it wrong mate, no? It works well in a support role, hidden
Not sat in the corner for the whole game while your team dies
Which I don't do.
empty ice
Wt should be leading the charge
distant river
WT works great when covered on the front line (if you trust your team) and good 2nd line as a leach. It works alright as a sniper but there are better tanks for sniping
dusky oxide
How does that sound like hes been playing it wrong? Stop making assumptions like that
atomic hound
@distant river dude... 'if you trust your team' ... Are we playing the same game? And you clearly don't understand the meaning of front line. If you get close to a 4X.Y% player in a wt he will spot an opportunity to HE you, or ram you, and regardless of whether that player ends up dead (and they probably will) you're gonna suffer. There is also no tank that sits at the back better than the wt at tier 9, even if I personally don't usually play it like that (I get bored, and the team gets minced, damaging my wr), the gun arc, camo, and mobility in combination make it better than the 704, especially since driving it backwards to get the shot allows you to move away much faster if you're spotted than the 704
More accurate too, plus 367 heat pen with cs to pen almost anything, better than 704.
distant river
When i say front line i mean go right to the front, and get some cover. You can then just pound out the damage with snapshots and take almost nothing in return. The 40%ers dont dare charge you becuase you intimate them so much. In the rare chance they do charge you you take 1 hit. This works best with tier 8 and 9. With tier 10 its better to stay further back and let the heavies take the hits and snapshot in return
dusky oxide
You think 40%ers get intimidated? Go try the ru server
compact sundial
Well that is the Russians. They don't count XD
unique scaffold
rammer on everything except bc XDDD
distant river
@unique scaffold use blitzstars to look at lots of different stats and also platooning with recruits is a good idea
quick lichen
@unique scaffold what’s the account name
violet sonnet
Tier7 charts pls
Ik there are alot of adjustments hinted in upcoming update. But why bother touching collectable kv-13???
Assuming it's hitting the shops soon after it gets buffed lol.
compact sundial
Cause a ton of people kept it, as it is a halfway decent tank in my opinion...
tidal schooner
T-44 is so dominant compared to T-34-2, the latter deserved a buff, which is natural as it's the worst performing tier 8 tank according to the chart
Top gun is kind of the same than T-34-1's top and that is... not amazing. IS-2's top is a better gun with Calibrated shells imo
And oh god how the Deathstar is performing in tier 10!!!
junior prairie
Is it true that tier 9 foch, going to get nerfed?
neon peak
Yep it’s true
noble shale
@unique scaffold its funny cuz everyone says the t22 is op and all of that but if you just shoot the front plates then its an easy pen.
tulip forum
ppl say the waffle is better bc of the fully traversing turret
sterile drift
people consider it Op because i has all the advantages of a russian medium but with less downsides for example is troll side armor
teal olive
No downsides at all besides gun depression..... that’s literally it
unique scaffold
@noble shale it’s broken bro
slim rivet
^^ Russian heavy armor + Russian med gun. Only downside I see is decreased mobility
visual nimbus
Eh, T22 isn’t that op
twilit crystal
i wouldnt call it like game breaking
tidal schooner
I would like though if the armor buff only apply to M6 and vk36
KV-2 doesn't need it at all
shy wren
KV-2 is meant to be a glass cannon imo
honest bramble
They need to make KV-4 extra top turret unpennable it is annoying
iron lynx
Why drive that when you have a VK100.01P
short crest
To get the is4
shy wren
I liked my KV-4. It’s not trash imo. It’s just a bit tougher to play right
thick rover
@honest bramble I guess it's there to balance the extremely troll sides and front armour. But yeah it could do with a little buff on armour
hidden frigate
Remove the T49 from this game. Seriously. It isn’t OP, it’s just game-breaking. The fact that any other lightly-armored tank doesn’t stand a chance against a non-braindead t49 driver, no matter what tier they happen to be at is ridiculous. Not as in, the t49
will even win every 1v1, but it will do a ridiculous amount of damage to you, and the deciding factor in it is rng. It has ruined light tanking anywhere near t8 simply because it completely invalidates any enemy light tank. You cannot play the way a light tank should if there’s an enemy t49. That’s bad for the game.
brisk lily
T49 is only good when you know how to play it, that's kinda of the point
against anything else with the word "armour" will make it hard for it since it 152mm of pen isn't suited to fight tanks such as the IS-5
also the High Explosives are counted as premium ammo, so you make little to no credits using the 152
also it doesn't have the same alpha as a regular 152
It doesn't always win a 1v1, because of its relatively low penetration & long reload
If there is a T49 why would u be rushing right into it, even if you are a light
Also if the person knows how to play the T49, well good on them, they are well experienced
Don't call the T49 game breaking just because someone knows how to play it to its advantages.
twilit crystal
both of you raise legit points. I can play other light tanks but when a t49 is in the game the CDC is completely useless. You are a huge target with no armor. I dont mind being an ru251 with HESH or a amx 13 90 with the autoloader or the t54 ltwt which has armor but the cdc cant use any of its mobility to flank if a t49 exists
brisk lily
I agree
the CDC facing a T49 is kinda a death sentence if it lands a perfect HE shot,
But the T49 doesn't win every 1v1 due to the fact that its HEAT pen is quite weak and it has a long reload, as well as no armour
magic topaz
why buff tier 6 tanks? no ones play tier 6... care about tier 9/10 tanks. and what about that *** broken t22 prem tank... over powered armor and dpm
visual nimbus
CDCs can catch T49s on reloads and pulling off solid HE shots can deal with them pretty quickly. It’s kinda goes whoever screws up first.
And T22 is not broken... once you learn how to counter them it’s actually easy.
teal olive
It’s not game breaking but it’s still overpowered. I hate how everyone on this server has gone from “it’s overpowered, please change it” to “WELLLLLL AT LEAST ITS NOT GAME BREAKING 🤷♂️😄”. An overpowered tank is an overpowered tank and it sucks how everyone especially at tier eight has just gotten used to it and accepted the fact that no tech tree tank (save the 100P) will be competitive at the tier. Do I make a point?
ebon flame
Ahh T-34-3 getting a RoF buff.. i really needed that
little quarry
T49 broken? Don't remove it, it's a challenging opponent in Tier VII-IX sometimes (although i never actually played that tank before...)
weary spindle
@ebon flame i dont think it needs buff.
I played t 34-2 and it is great tank. You just need to stay with other tanks and you are fine.
I would like it more if it gets more power and little better top speed. It would be more interesting.
twilit crystal
it needs a buff. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the t-34-2 but it was definetely weak
ebon flame
the 13.5s reload of the T-34-3 is rather sluggish, 12 or 11.5 is decent, it'll probably go to 12.5
shy wren
Just under 2k DPM, pretty neat
noble chasm
Nerf vk100.01P thanks
shy wren
It’s getting one, accuracy and gun handling nerf first @noble chasm
unique scaffold
The T49 isn't broken or over powered 🤣
The tank packs a mean punch, that is undeniable. However it has poor accuracy and is somewhat sluggish to accelerate. It is easy pickings for most lights and mediums.
unique scaffold
Do Not but he KV2 smasher, the tank is classified as a collectors tank so Wargaming can Nerf it with no problem
@unique scaffold. Wargaming can nerf any tank in the game with no problem. Try again.
Bro you living under a rock? They don't Nerf "Premiums" they said it themselves than they can and might Nerf "Collectors" which the Smasher is
sullen vault
They don't nerf them because of obvious reasons but they can easily do so.
unique scaffold
☝️
The terms of the EULA allow them to adjust any aspect of the game as they see fit. This includes premiums. The fact that they have rarely done this does not mean that it can't be done.
midnight linden
wait the foch is going to get nerfed? rip my tier 9 foch 😭
twilit crystal
its a minor nerf
shy wren
Just gun handling, minor tweaks and knocking off 50hp to round it off to 1500hp
teal olive
Shouldn’t affect it too much. People tend to get up close and bully equal or lower tiered mediums squishy tanks. If you play it aggressively and aren’t sniping in the back all the time then the nerf wont affect you in any way
vale imp
Now The new British Auto-loader TD is coming I think they should make the Foch one.
twilit crystal
can someone explain why the smasher has the same reload as the kpf with a better alpha? 2 tiers lower lmao. It isn't even a derp lol
unique scaffold
@twilit crystal I ask myself the same question, but for sure I will not waste 30+€ on this thing
twilit crystal
WG KPF is clearly balanced according to our wonderful charts
Anyone with even a slight knowledge of stats know the KPF stats are highly skewed to the left side of the bell curve of 55% with the vast majority of players being close to 65% than even 60% tbh. Its probably worse with the RU stats
magic topaz
i only know that i had to use caliber gun on the kpf70 cuz isnt funny when you bounce is5 or is8 sides... worst gun ever
hearty cliff
I mean, 240mm pen is in line with T10 meds sooooooooo
unique scaffold
Test patch ? Web? Thx
proven helm
That is why kpf is becoming a collector tank lol
coral bobcat
Well based in the charts the 183 need a buff urgently😎
twilit crystal
NO its the price you should pay for going around ruining tier X meta
coral bobcat
I still do not understand why they cry for that, the 183 is almost the same as a KV2 in tier 6, this can erase you from a single shot the 183 no, it is assumed that in Tier X there are better players who should know WHERE the 183 and avoid them ...
lament vessel
183 is useless now imo
distant river
The 183 is useless against good players who have map awaerness, but it is death for bad players or players who struggle with tunneling or positioning
twilit crystal
I complain about the kv2 too but tier X is really supposed to be different than tier six.
coral bobcat
those are many claims I think ... 😂
slim rivet
183 deserves to stay in hell. Nuff said
smoky yoke
They more people hate on a tank the more it makes me want to play it for some strange reason. But my premium time done so Sadly my credits would not allow it >.<
THat's a nice allegory. Course just like 183, it will always be behind you if you mess up to destroy your enemy. 😛
jade cargoBOT
Jacky#0296 was muted
slim rivet
Karma @smoky yoke
smoky yoke
What happened 🤔 👀 , did I make someone rage
Perfectly balanced like all things :P , gotta love the reload of this tank.
Did anyone screen shot what happened above with Jacky I am really curious, dam wrong time to go take a jog, please pm what that person said so it wouldn't get removed. Goin to be afk again.
bleak dagger
About time they buff the Chinese T8 mediums, esp. T-34-3. Wonder what took the dev team this long.
indigo tinsel
Why did I buy this tank.. Just got smashed by the smashers..
bought it just before the smasher came out... smasher costs the same too..
humble spear
I'm still able to do fine in my type62 against smashers though
teal olive
Man, tier seven sucks. It’s almost worse than tier eight. Heavy spam switched to broken OP fantasy tank spam. Hate it
main tulip
Smasher is a terribad tank
unique scaffold
amx 50-120 9 tier to improve depression
stoic pebble
50 120 is fine - it already has absurd clip damage for T9
unique scaffold
Nonsense has a weak depression I think that when this tank appeared in the game, it was better to leave the cannon than today at least that's the impression that earlier this tank was better
that's my opinion
stoic light
amx 50 120 is fine
jolly shadow
Su 122 44 need slight allround buff considering the chinese non prem t 34 2g ft
cunning kindle
Wg, u just removed all the derp from tier 1-5 coz u realised it hindered the gameplay and yet u bring out a much more accurate kv2 than can pen t8 tanks easily and can HE tier 6 and 7, its not about comparing it to the kpf, but by ur own logic ur ruining tier 7 (not like it wasnt ruined)
thick rover
@cunning kindle Oustanding analysis I like it
cunning kindle
Idk, i dont care about lower tiers :/
And i m talking about them removing the derp guns lel not the tanks that have derp guns
Like ik for a fact they removed all derp guns and also removed HE from some tanks just to get rid of the one shot factor at lower riers
But i never really cared about the exact changes so eh :/
thick rover
@north marten how do u know what is it's armour
north marten
well ermm
it says that its weakly armored
cunning kindle
its good that ur not part of the balancing team
thick rover
@north marten I mean it's a reasonable price to pay for that kind of alpha
Sorry forgot about the change of gun nevermind
But still the burst damage and mobility....maybe?
indigo knot
This tank won't even be balanced later on ...
dim field
For the Smasher vs Kpf
You're comparing the smasher with premium ammo along with calibrated shells and pitting it against the Kpf without premium rounds and using rammer.
thick rover
Exposed
unique scaffold
Since Smasher is fortunately a collector, will it be rebalanced or slightly nerfed in next updates? I hope so
meager spruce
@unique scaffold it is highly possible
cunning kindle
No its not highly possible lel
Ppl paid for it, it wont just get nerfed
shy wren
Remember the EULA. WG can change the stats of any tank, even the premiums
unique scaffold
@cunning kindle Collector tanks can be nerfed, more than premiums, which can be nerfed, but very rarely
This Smasher is bad as (maybe more than) VK100.01 P, so i really hope it gets nerfed, for the damage it inflicts it's unsustainable this way.
cunning kindle
Thank u, thank u for that peice of information
But thats not how wg wud want to treat their customers
As in > introduce op tank
Ppl buy it for money
Nerf op tank
If u think this will happen, i m afraid ur gonna be disappointed
Maybe after a few patches it may happen but i wudnt count on it
@shy wren and as for premiums, wz hasnt been changed so there goes ur statement of nerfing prems 🙄
Altho yes they can nerf prems but again thats nothow they treat their customers
unique scaffold
Really? Then WG made a premium tank a collector, the Kpfpz 70, WG can do anything they please
cunning kindle
Kayyy keep hoping for nerfs then 🙄
indigo knot
WG would be saying that there has been less that 1% games in the tank so it can't be nerfed as they couldn't get enough data
cunning kindle
Ikr
dusky oxide
Wg isnt making the kpz a collector to nerf it though, theyre making it a collector to have the possibility of doing it without upsetting a larger number of people
Theyre buffing it once it becomes acollector if the leak is corrdct
unique scaffold
I am not complaining about the (very tiny) aim time buff of the Kpfpz, and as long it maintains the enriched status I am fine with it (moreover to have the courage to nerf that tank would be almost a sacrilege, since it's not OP at all).
I am saying, Smasher right now is a wet dream tank, too much powerful to make the game balanced, at least they should make its reload 1 or 2 seconds longer. Not even Tankenstein and SU-100Y can compete with a 130 mm gold AP having 530 alpha, a minor caliber anyway compared to a 152 mm derp
thick rover
@cunning kindle Agree with you, the EULA is for legal protection, but yeah don't think Wargaming would actively nerf premiums since many are bought using money, very unlikely indeed.
distant river
It is very unlikely but it is still possible
thick rover
Unlikely=Still possible yes
slim rivet
From a legal perspective, WG owns the accounts. Paid or not, it can do whatever he likes with the tanks. From a commercial perspective, nerfing a paid tank wouldn’t be a smart move tho. Question of trust.
thick rover
^
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold i dont think they could just nerf the tank after selling it in its current state for 30€. Im not saying they shouldnt. But wg cant do anything. The reason they sell tanks like this is because they are marketed for the 'lower' part of the playerbase, the 45-50%ers. Thats the majority of the playerbase and its also not a part of the community that thinks twice about game balance or meta. Id bet the majority of this discord and forumers belong to a smaller portion of the playerbase. In reality our voices aren't heard because our needs are very different to that of the rest of the community that just mindlessly play the game. Thats at least how i see it, we are only in the way of wg making a bigger profit.
shy wren
@cunning kindle I was just stating that they have the power to do so
dusky oxide
Clearly we arent the ideal customer and that is why wg spams in TD lines to attract the people who just like to sit and shoot, y'know, the simpler kind.
balmy cipher
friend: tell me a joke me: smasher friend: i dont get it ? me: exactly
thick rover
Outstanding Move
Friend: Tell me a joke
Me: Balanced tanks
Friend: I don't get it?
Me: Exactly
@balmy cipher XD
meager spruce
nice spam of XD emotes would be a shame if someone pinged the Moderators.
wary holly
<@&481447501690568709> remove unrelated content
@meager spruce lol
meager spruce
@wary holly thanks for doing it for me. Would have been my next message
unique scaffold
What’s the issue?
wary holly
unrelated content
jade cargoBOT
anonymous#8439 was muted
unique scaffold
Thanks
dull gate
So if you buy the Smasher, how much Gold can you sell it for?
wary holly
we dont know cuz we poor
median gust
unique scaffold
5000 @dull gate
median gust
o oops
unique scaffold
coarse yacht
So y’all are buffing tanks that were took in out of the game but won’t buff the t34-85 *
no hate*
deft owl
@coarse yacht When t34-85 deserved a buff? Its fine as it is.
wintry hound
On my "free to play" (i did not buy amn gold or premium day for real cash) account I have a 100% winrate after 15 battles; 1443 average damage; 734 average xp and 2 aces
lone warren
Weird flex but ok
neon peak
Ikr
wintry hound
I gave a reason why WG should not do anything with the T 34-85
Its a stronk tank already
slim rivet
What’s the most op tier 5?
visual nimbus
KV-220 T?
slim rivet
Don’t know. I need an op tier 5 and another super unicums so I can bully noobs. I m fed up by the broken gameplay of tier 10 with 6 tds per game
distant river
KV-1 works great for bullying
slim rivet
I have scavenger and it’s good tank. So scavenger it will be
I could work a 50 pages thesis on how 183 is toxic for the game omg
tranquil wadi
Like I’ve said before, the 183 isn’t op, it’s just incredibly annoying when there’s 2 on every team
unique scaffold
@slim rivet. Angry Connor gun is broken OP. As a added bonus credit earning is also broken OP.
twilit crystal
yeah its pretty op after the leo nerf. Leos were the bane of the connor as there was nothing you could do against a leo driver with a brain cell
proud yew
ever have two WT's and one Jagd E100 on the red teams?
dim field
SD, is the Connor pretty much the only Turretless Td you like?
smoky yoke
lets just say anything below tier 5 is tier X ridiculous in red zones
crystal spoke
I'd say the connor is probably the best and if not second best td in t5
rigid gate
Are we not gonna talk about how OP the smasher is ?
shy wren
Reloads faster than a KV-2, KV-3 levels of armor?
I think it’s OP.
Nerf reload, make the HEAT 220mm of pen
smoky yoke
I keep killing it thou
twilit crystal
I also keep killing wz 120 . OP ness cant always beat skill
thick rover
@twilit crystal Weird flex but ok.
Just kidding.
small sorrel
amx50b maybe nid a buff?
thick rover
In which aspect? Just curious no harm
twin egret
Every tank is balanced, end of discussion
dark pike
smasher isnt balanced, same with wz 120 ft
unique scaffold
@dark pike Agreed
thick rover
@twin egret Joking?
narrow terrace
yess buff t34 3
meager spruce
@elfin marlin They MAY. It is not sure so do not give false information.
elfin marlin
T-150 gets a HP buff And tier 6 heavies a front armor buff
meager spruce
IT IS NOT SURE. It is false information that they are buffing it For Sure
elfin marlin
It’s what wg said
meager spruce
@elfin marlin They said they plan that does not mean it is 100% sure, my god
elfin marlin
They are working on it
meager spruce
Plan. They are working on it so that means they may do something else to the tank for a buff. It is again not sure. It is not 100%
unique scaffold
Nothing is confirmed until you see it in the patch notes.
meager spruce
Exactly
elfin marlin
Fine then, don’t get over excited try some zen
unique scaffold
I am sure they will buff the Smasher
twilit crystal
lol
unique scaffold
That damn thing is an anti-everything, even anti-KV-2, almost impossible to pen without gold or HE splash damage. KV-2 from bully now gets bullied
quiet badge
Why u make better kv2 wargaming now nobody use kv2
elfin marlin
@unique scaffold i disagree, it is easy to pen with the pz4s shooting ap at all sides of the smasher
stone arch
And then it gets a lucky snapshot into you and instakills you.
unique scaffold
I heard that vk 100.01 (P) is to be aggravated I will say that this tank has its moods and gets whips from other players and his weapon once shoots accurately and once not I hope you will not weaken him too much WG because the tank is good only in experienced hands it is not too good or too weak so in between
dusky oxide
Thats one phenomenal google translator story
@unique scaffold how is the vk good only in experienced hands? Even a 40%er know how to use armor because its a relatively passive aspect that you can use to your advantage.
And its clearly not "not too good or too weak so inbetween". Just go look at charts in #devs-answers
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide you probably belong to a group of players who can not cope with this tank this tank is good but players also have no problem to destroy it so I hope that the creators will not weaken it too much the tank is good in good hands and I do not want the tank to be weakened, and later it had accuracy is5 where you aim at the tank and the bullet flies past the vehicle -,-
I ask creators not to overdo it with its deterioration 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold I knew youd have nothing else to come up with than the age old slogan of "you just dont know how to counter it". I dont play in tier 8 anymore but I have no trouble countering this tank as i usually play fast meds and lights. The problem with the tank is that the majority of the playerbase doesnt know how to counter it. Thats the reason its op. Youre trying to tell us that the tank that surpasses every other t8 heavy is not op. Good one.
You can beg all you want but the fact remains that wg doesnt look for reasons to rebalance tanks from people like you. The only thing they look at is the charts. And im glad thats the case.
unique scaffold
so let all the heavy tanks lose their armor and they will be paper by players like you, good tanks have lost their potential and you have to hide in order to make a good result you are happy I am not happy, on the contrary, I am worried 😡
dusky oxide
So you need a vk100.01p to do well in a game? Youre not the first guy to come here and worry about his statpad tank getting nerfed. The result of the argument has always been the same. The vk is op, will get nerfed so you better find something else op to play if you need an advantage to enjoy or do well in the game.
unique scaffold
tank Maus it also sweeps at its own level and yet he still stands as if he has not been disturbed it's still strong I hope 8th level will remain as well
dusky oxide
Nerfing the vk100.01p would actually make other heavies better since the vk is their counter.
@unique scaffold what?
cunning kindle
Lel i dint think anyone believed that vk 100 isnt op, yet here we are
distant river
The VK100 isnt OP its just a good tank that can easily take out people who can't aim or who tunnel the VK100
dusky oxide
So the majority of the playerbase?
unique scaffold
is not OP it's well made has weak points it is often destroyed by medium tanks I am against his weakening
dusky oxide
I guess my kv220t is balanced as well as people just dont know how to take it out and tunnel me
unique scaffold
@distant river 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 I agree with you
main tulip
Bruh is no one gonna talk about the “WZ-121” which is actually the 121?
distant river
@unique scaffold At least there are some people on this server with a braincell
dusky oxide
The vk is op because it has too much traverse for the amount of armor and the size of weakpoints it has. The gun is also very effective. Its not smart to presume that it will be taken out with ease if you require a team effort to do it.
unique scaffold
@distant river Unfortunately, we are too few
dusky oxide
@distant river slow ya roll. We are talking about a mobile tank game here einstein.
distant river
The VK can take out some people with ease and often without taking a hit but a good player can take it out with ease often without taking a hit too
dusky oxide
@distant river so you think the majority of the plauerbase are good players?
cunning kindle
K i m not even gonna argue coz chances r that u two r vk spammers
Ps: a tank is definitely not op even if u need pramo to pen its supposedly weak cupola
distant river
No and they should be punished and forced to learn @dusky oxide
dusky oxide
So the 183 should be buffed while we are at it. To make it worse, its such an easy tank to play. @distant river
distant river
@cunning kindle i dont own the vk and i have no plans to get it
The 183 does not need a buff but it would probably be nice if it did. It stuggles to get more that 1 shot in
cunning kindle
i believe u
dusky oxide
You think vk is a good teaching system? XD
cunning kindle
Ikr and he talked about braincells xd @dusky oxide
distant river
The VK forces players to learn to aim or flank or not tunnel it or to just die
dusky oxide
Your argument is that its not op because a good player can take it out easily. A good player can take out anything effectively. Theres not enough good players to take this one out easily. Whats my proof? The chart clearly shows you that the tank is overperforming. Its undeniable.
cunning kindle
^^^^
So does an is5 but atleast its a bit easier against is5
Wats ur point?
dusky oxide
@distant river it looks like they are just dying so what to do now? 🤔
distant river
@dusky oxide carry them and let them watch in awe as you easily take out the VKs (assuming you can aim)
dusky oxide
Looks like the playerbase isnt the same thing as you as a player. Who wouldve known.
@distant river just because i know how to take out a vk doesnt make it not op :D
Did you guys really think there should be a tank thats more powerful than the is3d? Even easier to play
unique scaffold
@distant river -----> @dusky oxide is a player who did not cope with this tank in the opposite team, that's why he criticizes this tank
@dusky oxide You are wrong about this tank
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold i dont play in tier 8 my guy :D. How i, a single unicum, do against the tank doesnt have anything to do with how powerful it is or isnt. Do you not know how representative samples work?
@unique scaffold good argument. You really got me with that one. Maybe add some exclamation marks to make it even more convincing
Im gonna go play my kv220t which btw is balanced since anybody can take it out if theyre a good player and dont tunnel it. Any leo that cant kill me in a 1v1 is an outright scrub!
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide if you do not play on 8 levels, why are you talking about it? instead of saying nonsense that the tank is OP because is not maybe leave this channel for players who know what they're talking about because it happens that I play on 8 levels and I can easily talk about vehicles which I play
cunning kindle
Do u also happen to drive the vk a lot
mind sharing ur ign?
Lmao not statshaming or anything, but u have 149 battles in 30 days in the vk, no wonder u dont want it to get nerfed lol
unique scaffold
vk is one of the normal tanks which works fine on 9 levels and how it will work worse it will stop being good at higher levels Worth remembering 8 levels often cope with stronger vehicles every day
cunning kindle
So ur defense is tier 8 sees tier 9
So by that logic a t23e3 with its measly pen faces an op af superheavy and thats absolutely (even tho the t23e3 cannot pen the sides unless its firing exactly normal to it)
Op logic
unique scaffold
I do not want him to get too much because I enjoy playing it even if other players destroy me it's this tank despite the speed is good
cunning kindle
Dont worry, as i see it its still going to be as op as it is now, just coz they r nerfing gun and not the armor for idk wat reason :/
Its not like the gun was overperforming
unique scaffold
there are a lot of armored vehicles with which only vk can handle it and after deterioration, this tank will not be pleasant anymore
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold I can comment on the vk because i play on t7 and I use factual data to back up my argument. All youre doing here is begging and saying its not op because you like playing it.
red condor
Either give this vk100 thingy a nerf or give every teir 7 and 8 tank a pen buff...
Charts are clear, it’s due for something...
dusky oxide
How do you expect tier 8 players to effectively counter a vk with their powercrept pos'.
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide do you have this tank?
dusky oxide
Charts are the main thing we should be discussing, not any random 4 peoples thoughts on how easy they found the tank to take out.
@unique scaffold Of course not. Does that mean i cant say that it is op because it performs even better than an is3d?
wraith lance
VK 100 is totally overperforming and should get nerfed on 5.9
distant river
The charts show that the VK can be played well by good players, and bad players can play it as well. The problem is that people do not know how to counter it and so its stats are inflated. Yes it is a good tank and tbh im not really complaing about the nerf but it doesnt deserve it.
dusky oxide
Even if i had it i wouldnt come here and cry about it getting nerfed soon. Only premium tanks stay op for a long time.
@distant river you just described what makes a tank op; easy to play by anyone, not known how to be countered effectively.
wraith lance
unique scaffold
the creators created this channel for experienced players to say what they think and if you are not the owner of this vehicle in the garage, you do not need to comment
distant river
@dusky oxide the WZ 120 is OP because it has no counter, not just because people dont know what the counter is
wraith lance
That's like saying the WZ 120 G FT can't be OP because I don't have it @unique scaffold
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold you sound like every single guy thats ever stepped foot here and complained about an op tank getting nerfed. I dont need to own a tank to know what its capable of doing. And this is a bery simple tank we're talning about here.
@distant river well, the vk doesnt have enough counters either. How many times do you play in a team that knows not to focus the vk?
distant river
Also why is noone complaining about the WZ 111 being too OP? It does more damage and has about the same WR
unique scaffold
@dusky oxide if you had it in your garage, you would know why I am here and say loudly what I think
distant river
@dusky oxide it doesnt have manh counters but it struggles to do much damage-wise and so it doesnt need as many counters
wraith lance
The TD? It just got added so a lot of unicums are playing it, it could get nerfed too depending on how it performs later @distant river
unique scaffold
@distant river exactly
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold the creators wont come here and use our input to use for balancing purposes. If you thought you could come here and tell us that picture above is incorrect its just too bad.
distant river
@wraith lance but a lot of noobs are playing it too, and i have seen noone say it is OP
gloomy dragon
Just gonna say it, haven't maxed crew yet, but the thing is a beast. The vk100.01p I mean. Problem is teams and the fact that it's a slug. I personally dont like its playstyle but its effective at what it does. A bit too effective given our playerbase, hence the impending nerf.
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold im glad i dont have it in my garage my man, i dont need a tank like that to do well. If i had it in my garage i would still be saying its op.
unique scaffold
it's worth trying because I care about the good of this game !
wraith lance
Honestly the whole 'if you don't have the tank u can't talk about it' argument is pretty silly, we know the Smasher is OP and we don't need to have it on the garage to know it
distant river
^
dusky oxide
@distant river thats beside the point because its a heavy tank, it doesnt rely on dealing damage but rather absorbing it. And that it does a little too well with its traverse coupled with that armor profile.
distant river
@dusky oxide So the simple counter is to just ignore it. It doesnt need many weakpoints in the actual tank as its speed and gun limits its effectiveness
wraith lance
@distant river We shall see how it performs in the future
dusky oxide
@unique scaffold if you cared about the good of the game you wouldnt prefer having a heavy tank have stats that good. Youd want a balanced game.
@distant river how do you translate that to balance? Do you add a sing to the side of the tank that tells 48%ers to ignore it?
lunar niche
People still having trouble with Vk100? Lol
dusky oxide
You have to remember that tanks are balanced according to their role in a full matchup. The rest of the matchup clearly cant cope with the vk.
You cant buff teams, i wish they could.
distant river
@dusky oxide The 48%ers will still focus on on anything with HP, it is your job to encourage them to not to focus on the VK, either that or to take it out quickly
unique scaffold
@distant river It's good that you are here
dusky oxide
@distant river yeah, when you need to hold your teammates hand in order to take out a tank it may not fit in the game in its current state. What youre saying doesnt really work. Sure you can influence what your team does by spotting enemies and leading by example but thats about it.
unique scaffold
I do not mind weakening but I know that the creators sometimes overdo it they will weaken too much then later months pass to correct mistakes
distant river
If you see a camping TD then you tell your teammates to focus on it, right?
unique scaffold
always when I see that a good tank will be weakened, then a red lamp above my head lights up
gloomy dragon
WG's recent nerfs/buffs (past 6-ish months) have been fairly reasonable from what i've seen. A year and a half ago, however was a tossup. Poor SP and its neutered gun. Still dont like it much and I don't run the autoloader if i ever do play it.
dusky oxide
When the vk gets hit by the nerfbat I dont think it will be a big hit. Wg hopefully understands what people fail at when taking it out and what makes it just that bit too good. What i'd personally nerf about it is the traverse. I would only nerf its gun or the main armor if the nerf to traverse isnt enough. Its a heavy tank, it shouldnt have that much traverse because it needs to have situations where its vulberable too.
distant river
Anyway the nerf seems pretty reasonable as it is just gun handling i believe. This means its effectiveness is limited even more. Its nerf will not effect most of the playerbase as they will still not be able to aim or flank. It will jist mean that the better players can takenit out easier
dusky oxide
@distant river ofc, but its another discussion wether they do. You dont trust teams blindly do you?
@unique scaffold you just told us you become uncomfortable when a tank gets nerfed. Are you sure you should be on this channel?
distant river
More than i should but they can still do their job and do it effectively most of the time, they just tend to die a bit earlier
unique scaffold
BC should be nerfed
dusky oxide
Idk about t8 teams, i see them as haphazard. Hit or miss. Even when your team is very good, you wont know theyre good from the beginning.
distant river
Well thanks you for the intelligent discussion @dusky oxide but im off for now. Have fun arguing everyone
dusky oxide
@distant river see you around. I hope you didnt get upset? Judging from the last sentence.
You do realize we're talking about a mobile game right? And the conclusions we arrive to dont have any real impact in anything other than our opinions.
slim rivet
Lol this discussion....
dusky oxide
What bout it?
slim rivet
I share ur analysis my dude @dusky oxide but y u care so much about vk? WG already killed tier 6 (kv2), 7 (drac, hellsing and smasher), 9 (70% low tier) and 10 (3 tds per team thanks to 183). It was a matter of time before 8 becomes unplayable
dusky oxide
T8 always was a bit unpleasant for me because of the low dpm cap on meds and heavy tank spam. Its not like vk is the pinnacle of op tanks but its surprising to see a tech tree tank be op for such a long time. There usually was a premium ruling tier 8 as far as performance goes. I still think wz1201gft holds the crown and if it was on that chart it would make the vk look laughable. @slim rivet
Tier 8 was always a cesspool, its the other tiers that have caught up to it.
slim rivet
Jaja, what I mean is that discussing which tank is a bit too op is pointless since the game is ruined for some other reasons
dusky oxide
Isnt one op tank less better? I think we were discussing what are the things that show us its op. I think what has happened in tier 8 is that tanks that used to be considered highly op have now been powercrept. Like the is3d. @slim rivet
Diacussing... arguing... Whatever you wanna call it :D
acoustic shard
Am I ever going to get A Tankinstien Fire rate buff??
deft owl
Vk100 isnt really that op. There are some tanks still surpass its overall stats but for some reason they are not in chart.
neon peak
Like which tanks? @deft owl
shy wren
Wz
neon peak
Like the new tier 8 Chinese td?
jolly panther
I won't comment a lot on the new smasher tank, but it deals more dpm than the KpfPz70... Are devs ever gonna make Kpf's gun an actuall 150mm? With it's full damage? The smasher literally deals about 1300 more HE dpm than the KpfPz which is 2 tiers above and I think that's a huge problem.
jolly panther
Another solution would be to just say "f it, let's officially rename Kpf's gun a 130mm and give it a 2 sec reload buff"
I actually just went to compare smasher's HE with some tier 10 150mm and similar stuff and I am left speechless
finite notch
Dayum
iron lynx
Believe me, they'll nerf the Smasher in about two months
deft owl
@neon peak M6a2e1 exp, wz-112-2 and Wz-120-1g ft.
indigo knot
Is wz112-2 really that good
meager spruce
no
deft owl
Its pretty strong.
unique scaffold
Compare it to the kv2
The new balance improvements all seem pretty justified. Minus the weakening of the hetzer's lower glacis. They already took away one of the better guns for it. At this point they're kicking a already dead horse.
final narwhal
VK72 really needs to be added to that buff list
dense cedar
Wow, t28 concept is getting a huge buff
SP 1c getting a pretty small buff compared to the other lights. 😦
deft owl
@dusky oxide Thanks for sharing. Vk100 will be garbage.
meager spruce
@deft owl check them out yourself. The link is in #game-news
harsh oriole
most of the time i had the hardest time penning the vk100 from the front as a tank destroyer
dusky oxide
Theres a whole new channel for the info, its #559713107983728666.
deft owl
@harsh oriole Because its a Goddamn Super heavy. Its not suppose to penned easily
harsh oriole
@deft owl its a super heavy but the weaknesses are also almost impenetrable
that lower glacis is always hidden and the copula is red
ivory crypt
I can see the cupola nerf, but is the LFP nerf rly necessary?
deft owl
@harsh oriole Lower plate always hidden? Lol. 120mm lower plate effective armor is max 200mm and every td in tier 8 can pen it easily.
unique scaffold
Will anything else than armor be changed ?
harsh oriole
smasher change maybe
deft owl
This vk100 nerf is a joke. It will be a 20kmh tank with full of weakspots. @unique scaffold Gun handlings also nerfed.
unique scaffold
Uh you right they’re nerfing it too much
violet citrus
Wargaming probably doesn't realise that if they didn't remove so many low tiers they would have less work on improving the low tiers.
unique scaffold
I think the SP 1 C buff isn’t enough
It could get back a bit of its pen since tier 7&8 are full of sloped heavies and it’s not as fast as other tier 7 lights
undone latch
U guys have to improve su 100 too easy to ammorack very unfair to the commanders
plush hill
@undone latch shhhh its fun to ammo rack, dont tell them
jaunty elbow
VK 100 P is not broken in any way or form
dusky oxide
Lol
raw garden
The smasher is to op and NEEDS TO BE NERFED asap before people are driven away from the game. Give people Who bought it a refund but dont keep that tank in the game in its currient state please
jolly panther
I bought it and I have to say, it's just dirty and I feel bad for sending people back to the garage at the start of games...
deft owl
@raw garden Its a collector tank and can be nerfed.
raw garden
It better be
jolly panther
It has everything from reload, good dispersion, amazing armor and good manouverability. What would you guys take away? Imo needs a reload speed nerf, maybe a bit of dispersion nerf but not as much as normal kv2. Or keep the OP gun but nerf armor badly, so it's a proper glass cannon tank
clever mauve
Agreed ~ I’m not willing to buy it Bc I know it’ll get nerfed eventually
jolly panther
I wouldn't even complain about it, as I said I bought it and agree that it's just so dirty to play
Maybe remove spaced armor? I found myself in many situations where I'd side scrape and people couldn't even deal proper HE damage to me; I'd get shot by a KV2 for like 20 dmg
deft owl
@jolly panther Smasher doesnt have "amazing" armor or mobility. You are over exaggerating.
harsh oriole
but it has more bounce potential
deft owl
@harsh oriole More from what? Amx m4 45?
clever mauve
The fact that is has higher dpm than an is , is3, and a tier 9 kpfpzw70 is ridiculous
harsh oriole
everytime i fight the smasher its usually the side turret armor that bounces shots
jolly panther
@clever mauve Did you check my screenshots? It's HE has more dpm than tier 10 heavies lmao
clever mauve
Hahahah I’m not surprised @jolly panther yeah I saw em
deft owl
I agree about the dpm could use some nerf but armor isnt really that great. Its mobility is pretty trash like any other Kv tank.
jolly panther
I just checked it on armor inspector, yeah you're kind of right about armor but ingame it has so much random bounce potential, I found myself bouncing a few shots from my butt lmao
hardy heron
T28c now usable??
glossy estuary
Nerf the vk and mauschen but leave the e75 spam alone?
And freaking buff the Jageroo and kpzer70?
Who comes up with this stuff?
@hardy heron it will be less bad now.
One of my favorite tanks. But it’s a one trick pony
hardy heron
@glossy estuary there is no e75 spam
indigo knot
E75 and St1 have always been like that ....whats there to nerf in them
E75 is all about angling and its ok in my opinion.....and I think that Mauschen didn't need any nerf either
glossy estuary
No e75 spam?
That and the e100 are the hardest spammed heavies at 9/10
indigo knot
Isn't IS7 the most played tank still
Why not just simply nerf any popular tank now ....
glossy estuary
@indigo knot Mauschen getting nerfed because it has a big win rate. But it’s a high ceiling low floor tank.
It’s gonna get smashed in X with a nerf
indigo knot
Its getting nerfed coz players can't aim
unique scaffold
As a medium driver I can say that the E-50M is in need of a bit of a nerf.
glossy estuary
@indigo knot most of the player base is now on PC so they should be able to aim.
As a phone player they’re nerfing tanks I can actually play and enjoy
keen ruin
yes i agree
teal olive
As a MEDIUM player you say that. The E50M is specialized in bullying the crap out of any other med. but its weak pen against heavies and many TDs make it balanced.
indigo knot
E50m is ok ....thats what i think.... against HTs and Tds its weak
neon peak
Imo e50m is a bit to good
teal olive
Nyet
cunning kindle
@unique scaffold shhh let spring season pass plz
indigo knot
It can't circle or side hug and face hug is of no use against hts and tds they are gonna go every time from the turret front ....it only med bully
glossy estuary
So any tank a good player can excel in is instantly OP?
Freaking drac needs nerfed to oblivion but they’re nerfing slow tech tree super heavies they just put in to counter the is spam 🙄
orchid grove
@glossy estuary Mauschen is very much the definition of a high floor low ceiling tank. Quite honestly, all you can do in it is drive forward and shoot the enemy. The only skill gap between a Unicum and a normal pubbie in one is the unicum is a little better at shooting and angling
indigo knot
What does that mean ..... high floor low ceiling @orchid grove
orchid grove
@indigo knot floor and ceiling refer to skill floor and skill ceiling; a skill floor is how poorly someone who isn’t very good will do, and a skill ceiling is how well someone who is very good can do. So a high floor and low ceiling tank means that bad players will do very well in it, and a good player won’t do that much better
This is contrasted against a low floor high ceiling tank (such as Bat Chat) where bad players will do exceptionally awfully, and good players will do very well
unique scaffold
@teal olive. Mediums in general are weaker against TDs or heavies. There is no reason a E50 driver should be able to single out a enemy and yolo ram , then facehug it while bouncing shots. The tank needs a minor nerf to make it competitive with the rest of the meds in tier X.
neon peak
Totally agree with your point about that SD
indigo knot
Meds are better against Tds ......in 140 or 62a you can simply rush and circle them ....though in 1v1 meds can kill hts and tds ....can that be done in E50m consistently
orchid grove
@indigo knot That only works if the TD is dumb enough to be sitting in open terrain alone
indigo knot
Isn't that how most of the player base plays
dim field
Or if their team leaves them behind. (One or two slow tanks getting left behind their speed demon teammates who rush to the otherside to "flank")
orchid grove
Believe it or not; no, most players are better than that
indigo knot
I personally think that 62a is much better ....what is your opinion about E50m @orchid grove
orchid grove
E-50M is much better in random battles. It’s the one med that can stand and fight with heavies, but still retains the rotation potential of a medium; also E-50M can 1v1 any med and win pretty much every time
atomic hound
@orchid grove you messed up your low floor high ceiling thing mate. Mäuschen is low ceiling high floor
fringe briar
I think the T22 does quite well against the E50M in public matches.
orchid grove
@atomic hound isn’t that what I said?
indigo knot
That tank is broken .....no point talking about it
atomic hound
Oops, my mistake, sorry
orchid grove
“Mauschen is very much the definition of a high floor low ceiling tank”
We’re saying the same thing, just different word order
atomic hound
Sorry, I was reading it wrong lmao
indigo knot
Teach is right😎....lol
atomic hound
I thought you'd said it was high ceiling low floor for some reason...
Either way, if you ran hp buff it was a broken tank to tier 8s especially, they could only pen with difficulty, and often gold, and the sheer amount of hp made it op
orchid grove
The guy before me said that, and that was total nonsense
When a tank overperforms, a lot of people tend to jump to the conclusion “it must just be a high ceiling low floor tank” because it inflates their ego
atomic hound
You mean the opposite right... Since most of the player base are noobs
Only a high floor would give stuff good stats by that logic (which I'm aware you don't agree with either)
slim rivet
Stop with with ceiling and floor things please, it’s too complicated for English’s noobs like me 😹
orchid grove
@atomic hound Take Dracula for instance. People call it a “low floor high ceiling” tank, but they just often don’t recognize the fact that a tank can be both high floor and high ceiling at the same time. When they play drac and do well in it, they think they’re good because they think drac is a “low floor” tank, when it’s actually got a fairly high skill floor
atomic hound
Yep, I agree completely
slim rivet
Let’s just say that drac is op and that random vegetables perform well with it, compared to other tier 7 meds and that good players have extraordinary results with it omg
atomic hound
On another note, idk why the MBT 70 got another buff, it's been performing fine for a fair while now. When are we gonna see a type 61 buff?
fringe briar
113 needs a traverse buff, even just the turret
slim rivet
Lol^^ no. Or a traverse buff accompanied by a dpm and or speed nerf
atomic hound
^^^^ the tank is already way above average
fringe briar
it can get COD by any med
slim rivet
Cod? What’s dis?
atomic hound
Circle of death.
slim rivet
Oh. I think the problem is not the tank then
neon peak
So if I’m driving a heavy tank and I get cod I’m a idiot?
fringe briar
yes, yes you are, as am I, and the countless other people who it happens too
atomic hound
You played badly, I'll leave it at that. (Idiot was a bit strong, I'll admit)
neon peak
Totally disagree with that
slim rivet
Adam is ruud but I couldn’t disagree with him 😹
fringe briar
Clearly we can't have an honest discussion of balance with Adam. He just resorts to generalizations and insults.
orchid grove
@fringe briar If 113 had good traverse, it would just be a medium with tons of armor and pen
It would literally be E-50M taken to another level
neon peak
I hardly even play heavys, but I circle so many heavies and they have had good games and didn’t make any mistakes
slim rivet
And speed @orchid grove that’s why we use it much in CW
fringe briar
I'd be fine with just the turret traverse, even if slight, so it can somewhat keep up with COD.
atomic hound
Lol. I took back saying that if you get cod'ed in a heavy then you're an idiot, but it doesn't change the fact that getting cod'ed in a tank with a turret is poor play on your part. Get over it. Everyone makes mistakes, but if you refuse to admit it you'll never improve
Don't complain if lights or meds outplay you in a meta already dominated by heavies
orchid grove
@fringe briar The traverse is literally the one thing keeping it in check. Also, COD is not really an issue in today’s Blitz. If you’re in open ground completely alone in a heavy against a medium, that’s a fight you deserve to lose
atomic hound
^^^^^
glossy estuary
I disagree on the mauschen having a high floor.
It’s extremely unforgiving of mistakes and horribly dependent on team play.
slim rivet
Now that we all agree about 113, let’s focus on blitz main problem: the omnipresence of TDs....
atomic hound
I thought you were bad at English lol
Anyway... Idk what there is left to say on the matter
orchid grove
There’s not really a disproportionate number of TDs in the first place TBH @slim rivet . Considering 1/3rd of the tanks are TDs, you should expect 2-3 TDs per team in every game
slim rivet
Man my English is pathetic 😦
atomic hound
But you use the word omnipresence? Lmao
slim rivet
That’s true. That’s why more light should be added @orchid grove 😉
indigo knot
@orchid grove Can you give some advise on how to play Batchat (tier 10) ....I have decent WR in it but low avg damage...
twilit crystal
then u must be playing it right. Farming dmg isnt the goal of blitz games. Winning is
orchid grove
https://youtu.be/yliTW4cLjD8 @indigo knot allow me to shamelessly plug for myself here
atomic hound
Load full HE, charge, and then spam chat complaining about doing no damage?
slim rivet
^^^^^^^
atomic hound
It'd be funny if I'd never seen it
glossy estuary
Big issue with TDs is they encourage camping and static game play.
IMO that’s what WG wants to favor new players so TDs are slightly OP.
slim rivet
They don’t even need to be op to ruin the game...
atomic hound
Tbh TDs don't bother me so much anymore, since I mainly play meds
twilit crystal
WG wants to prevent high skill ceiling tanks because all tank balancing is based on high skill players
orchid grove
I kinda prefer the current meta to the old 7 Object 140’s drive to one OP corner of the map and hull down brawl meta
It’s slower and more strategic, and less dependent on things like twitch reactions and good aim
atomic hound
Maybe the tourneys. Randoms still need that
exotic pelican
You got me lumbering around in the E 100 spamming HE at people trying to use their armor
slim rivet
Not so sure. When 3 tds spawn camp and are imitated but 2 heavies, u better be ready for a boringggg game
twilit crystal
^ I actually had a game in the e100 where I didnt even fire AP once. I just went full heat and HE.
atomic hound
Unless you're that 1 light tank getting ridiculous spotting damage
exotic pelican
I had an E 100 game and I loaded nothing but HE
twilit crystal
the 183 camo nerf is actually pretty big. its really nut like to spot them trying to climb a hill
atomic hound
Have a mate that got 8k assist in a game with 10 tds
exotic pelican
I had a friend who got like 8k spotting in his WZ-111-1-4
orchid grove
@twilit crystal I like to wreck 183’s before they can leave the spawn on Middleburg in my Bat Chat (which is usually my only contribution to the battle though because Middleburg sucks lol)
atomic hound
Someone tell me how you're supposed to carry in a grille 15 on dynasty's pearl...
exotic pelican
@orchid grove Idk why but every time I see you it reminds me of the time in CW tier 9 and you were in the T95 and you lagged out and started driving in circles in the middle of well.... Middleburg
twilit crystal
dynasty pearl is just way too cramped. Unless you have good turret armor you are screwed because you are always spotted in dyansty pearl
orchid grove
@exotic pelican I was raging pretty hard in VC when that happened lol
glossy estuary
Yea middleburg is tough on lights.....and good players in general.
atomic hound
Middleburg is tough on players with idiot teams
glossy estuary
@twilit crystal pearl all about winning a flank. TD player with passive tanks in front gonna have a hard time
atomic hound
It doesn't matter, in a grille you're screwed no matter which flank you take (and city loses 95% anyway)
Youre permanently spotted, you can't use gun depression because you have none, you have to contest the turrets of other tanks while they just HE spam you, you can't hide in the lanes like other TDs because your reverse speed sucks and you're too tall... I could go on.
glossy estuary
@atomic hound exactly. It’s one of the most team dependent maps. A unicum in a fast tank isn’t going to impact the game much there compared to say dead rail
atomic hound
My comment wasn't even on it being team dependant, which it is, sure (not the most tho)
It was on the grille 15 being completely useless
orchid grove
Dynasty was originally going to be bigger, but WG cut like half the map. If we got the full size map as planned, it actually would have been pretty fun
Like, I’m ok with urban maps, my favorite map in the game is Himmelsdorf, but Dynasty just did it wrong. The map is too small, the park is kind of a waste of space, and it’s just kind of a waste of what could have been a great map
glossy estuary
@atomic hound well the maps are different to make it interesting. TDs rule on castilla and it’s a map unicums can influence in fast tanks. It’s also a camper map. The diversity makes the game have depth
atomic hound
I take that, sure, but every map is supposedly designed with spots for all tank types and roles. I'm not seeing it. Also, no tank should ever be completely useless on any map, the grille is the example I used because I care the most about it of all of the tanks that share the issue
See? Right at the bottom there. Im not seeing it, certainly not for dynasty's pearl.
It's also the first from the top too, actually
orchid grove
@atomic hound the way I play Grille on Dynasty is as a pseudo medium; you just have to be careful with the shots you take
glossy estuary
@atomic hound not many camper TD spots there. The TDs I see do well are in the support role. Oasis Palms is hard on heavies. Is what it is.
atomic hound
@orchid grove I do too, I'm forced to, but that leaves you utterly screwed if even one player on the enemy team has any degree of competence
Let's not forget that it has the worst bloom in the game, either, so snapping shots at what will often be very strong turrets is a losing formula
glossy estuary
I mean there’s got to be a few maps where abusing maxed camo with a big gun isn’t the dominate meta.
atomic hound
True, but that doesn't mean make the grille useless is all I'm arguing. It needs a buff, or several buffs.
orchid grove
What we need is Grille to be replaced with Waffenträger auf E-100 (pls don’t burn me at the stake)
slim rivet
Provocative communication ^^^^^^
viscid kettle
what is the difference between grille and Waf Auf E-100?
teal olive
One is broken and one is trash
orchid grove
@viscid kettle They’re both vulnerable to HE shells, and both very accurate when fully aimed, but that’s where the similarities end. Waf E-100 is slow (since it’s based on E-100 chassis) but has a massive autoloading magazine (either 12,8cm or 15cm), and Grille is smaller and faster, but has that pathetic single shooter gun
viscid kettle
Is the armor like a E100 chassis armor?
orchid grove
E-100 hull, but the turret is massive, and like 10mm thick
teal olive
Kinda, but turret is huge and made out of paper (edit) what he said ^^^^
viscid kettle
why would we want that again instead of the grille?
orchid grove
Because I’m secretly in favor of autoloader meta
What makes Waf E-100 special is on PC it had a 5 shell 12,8cm magazine with 2s between shells (6 shells before the nerf)
viscid kettle
what was the damage per shot?
orchid grove
490
viscid kettle
would probably be an issue with the smaller teams on blitz
neon peak
Could kill a e100 with one clip
orchid grove
Basically it could remove any full HP tier X in 10 seconds and then some. For Blitz I would want a 4 shell magazine @460 alpha with 2.5s between shells. Would it be broken? Probably, but do I care? (probably not)
neon peak
Lol
viscid kettle
that would be broken
unique scaffold
@orchid grove. Dude I like you. I really do... but if I hear anymore talk about the Waffle I'm taking you off my Christmas card list.
orchid grove
Normally I’m a reasonable sounding guy, but I’m actually a radical extremist that wants broken autoloaders and arty 😆
unique scaffold
Lol. I want Arty. I'd love to see low alpha high rof arty added. If I could play the FV304 in Blitz I'd be ecstatic!
wraith lance
Isn't arty like really bad on PC though?
dusky oxide
So bad its taken them years to make it work on a level where players can cope with it. Theyre still making big changes to it.
neat sonnet
So the only non-premium Tier VIII in the top 15 by WR (#13) needs to be nerfed. It’s the tank that’s too OP.
dusky oxide
The way i see it, we already have arty players on blitz. Its the guys sitting on spawn hills in campy high alpha tds.
@neat sonnet And which tank would that be? From what chart?
neat sonnet
VK100.01P try blitzstars top tanks tier viii.
limber mesa
I feel that the m103 should have some kind of buff, it is like a halfway between the Conqueror and the ST-1, but feels like crap compared to either of them
supple jolt
And that is why I used the -50% xp research cost certificate on the t110e5
glossy estuary
@limber mesa m103 and e5 need gun depression buffed to 10
distant river
They are balenced tanks, why complain?
main tulip
@orchid grove WT E100 had the jagdtiger’s top gun which did 560 alpha on PC.
limber mesa
I wouldn’t give it 10 degrees of gun depression, maybe buff turret armor since it’s pretty weak
neat sonnet
@dusky oxide - I’m well aware. You miss my point.
dusky oxide
@neat sonnet whats your point? I thought u wanted the vk to get nerfed.
U think cause its only No. 15 in terms of wr it doesnt need a nerf? You should use the charts in #devs-answers to look at how a tank performs because it only includes 55-65% for every tank.
twilit crystal
the entire 55 to 65 charts are complete bs and anyone with even a basic understanding of statistical bias would know that.
dusky oxide
Its still the chart wg uses. 👐
smoky yoke
Chart basically shows how much the tanks sway in game. Course all it takes is one good player to carry a game and a team to survive long enough
slim rivet
Wise words ^^
dusky oxide
You can see how relative wr is different. Both are from blitzstars.
All 3 of the charts are accurate. They just interpret data in defferent ways.
slim rivet
Both are pretty bad
twilit crystal
first of all balancing tanks for around 5% of the playerbase is garbage and prevents high skill ceiling tanks
dusky oxide
The blitzstar ones? The bottom one works by comparing player overall winrates to player winrates in specific tank.
slim rivet
Those ceiling stories again. Balance English level for French nabs like me please (ie make it simpler) 😹
twilit crystal
second different players pick different tanks with large examples of statistical bias. See Kpf 70 for the worst example of WG balancing. Im specifically talking about WG charts. Blitzstars charts are good tho
dusky oxide
@slim rivet i wish someone could to that for me as well tbh :D
unique scaffold
@twilit crystal. I completely agree.
I really dislike the way Blitz does balance.
But what can you do? It's still the best tank game in town.
slim rivet
I’m pretty sure being a tanker in real like is funnier. Go enlist @unique scaffold
twilit crystal
I mean i can still complain about it. Im not gonna say its all garbage but WG's balance department is literally numbers run by taking the number of vodka bottles they drink in a month
dusky oxide
What are the benefits and disadvantages of each way of gathering wr data in a graph?
slim rivet
Let me balance tanks. All problem solved. No more tds.
deft owl
@slim rivet And camping heavies? No thank you.
vestal dove
this is very random but what if your out in battle by wr and avr dmg
slim rivet
Oh the presence / absence of tds has pretty much no impact on heavies behaviors. U ll always find bots camping at spawn with is7 or yoloing
deft owl
@slim rivet If you remove tds from game people will start camping with heavies. At least camping tds have much more damage potential then heavies. So just no. Your idea is terrible.
unique scaffold
People already camp in heavies.
slim rivet
Fortunately enough it was a joke... but I would like to limit tds to 2 per team @deft owl
deft owl
@unique scaffold And double that value now. Way worse.
unique scaffold
Td's need to be capped at two per team. This would open up the map to flanking maneuvers and make for a more dynamic game.
slim rivet
Also I disagree with ur conclusion. Make the td fear suppressed, and heavies would be much more agressive
twilit crystal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0bSw26GJN8 . I complain of this spot too.
slim rivet
Ur voice is louder than mine. Go sell our idea to cap tds to 2 to WG @unique scaffold
twilit crystal
Anyone want to talk about the unfair Balance in alpenstad and other maps. I think canyon is unfair too for center meds. One side has unspotted tds camping at spawn while the other side doesn't.
unique scaffold
I have tried and tried and tried.
crystal spoke
I like that idea of hard clapping two tds per team
deft owl
For more dynamic gameplay meds and lights needs more place to manuevuer. All maps needs to be bigger imho. Currently meds and lights always gets spotted when they try to flank or something.
slim rivet
True. But the cap idea is easier to implement than to rework every map ^^
dusky oxide
Im for the 2td cap. I dont think the 48% leo pta drivers will go insane if you take one td away. The only thing a lower td cap would affect is queue times for them. And it would bring a lot more of that dynamic aspect, along with more variety as most t10 games seem to have 6 tds in them.
twilit crystal
I disagree. Most tds in general dont cause a camp fest. A properly played 268, wz 113 263 or foch 155, e3,e4, dont do best when they camp. Some of them camp early game but they shouldn't be camping forever. Its mostly the grille 15 and 183 that camp hard. This is why I am against a grille buff
unique scaffold
@twilit crystal. That is #maps-discussion silly.
@deft owl. Removing coated optics from heavies and TD's and capping TD's at two per team would make the maps bigger without actually making then bigger.
smoky yoke
Didn't they do the limiting of certain tanks before and removed it due to problems
unique scaffold
The server pop has to hit a certain level for it to kick in. @smoky yoke
dusky oxide
How a td should be played is not the same as how the majority of the playerbase uses them. Most tds, especially high alpha ones end up sitting at the back and get taken out last.
slim rivet
As u said properly played. Since 95 % or player base is not able to properly play tanks....
twilit crystal
I dont care about taking a hit from those tanks. Im willing to take 650 dmg hits to properly flank if need be. Thats a good risk/reward factor. Taking a 1300 RNG dice roll is just stupid and the risk is far too great .
smoky yoke
So basically on EU and Russian Servers limiting tanks can work. Since NA , and Asia would not have enough people to allow that type of match making to work. Is what your saying @unique scaffold
dusky oxide
When 3tds flock together in a corner or a snipers nest, its hard for even that ballsy 48% leo pta driver to get close enough to spot and even force them to relocate.
slim rivet
It might be egoistic but I don’t care about Na and Asia servers haha
unique scaffold
It would work they just need to lower the cap.
This would cause que times to be a bit longer but hopefully it would also force players into a more diverse selection of tanks
twilit crystal
The only map with no td counter is Mines. Every other map has good td counters atleast for meds.Heavies are screwed In castilla I will admit though.
slim rivet
Fk we need a poll about this cap
unique scaffold
That is what they get for being heavies
dusky oxide
Would you be willing to take 2 or 3 of those hits? Even when you get to a place to have an effect on the tds, youll be in the middle of them and the rest of their team if and when theyre sitting at the back
@twilit crystal the high points on the med flank on dead rail are brutal if theres 2 or 3 sitting there.
smoky yoke
Wouldn't it also cause players to not play tds at all only pay 2 play players would be able to even get to high levels or would they increase the amount of xp that would be given for a long waiting time. Course 5 minutes waiting time really doesn't work for ratings for only 60% increase in credits and small increase in xp. @unique scaffold
twilit crystal
If there are 2 or 3 tds camping in a single spot that means somewhere else in the map is open. The only exception is mines
dusky oxide
Theres simply too many td players. What other way is there to limit them?
slim rivet
Make teleport possible then @twilit crystal
unique scaffold
I never play ratings. I think caping TD's at two per team would mostly just effect td players. The rest of the playerbase would be fine if not better off because they'd be pulled into a match forst.
distant river
Add another chinese TD tech tree... Oh wait... @dusky oxide
twilit crystal
decrease td coefficient for credit. They spam prammo less coz of high pen. Therefore meds /heavies should get a 5% increase in credit ceofficent across the board while tds should get a 7% nerf across the board
dusky oxide
@twilit crystal where are you gonna counter the tds from if youre in a med in that situation? theyre sitting on a hill and you cant get too close to risk it.
twilit crystal
Dead rail is one of my favorite maps coz it rewards flanking
unique scaffold
Dead rail is good.
Vineyards is good.
Normandy is good.
Die nasty hurl and Himmelsdorf need to deleted.
smoky yoke
Td's main point is to point and shot you not suppose to be using prammo in td's unless you are a su100y or a 183 or a smasher.
twilit crystal
Himmesldorf is fine but I hate when both sides rush rails as the teams die way too fast there and your skill is unikely to save you.
unique scaffold
I despise that map.
dusky oxide
The problem is that theyre on a hill and the area around it is open. But we are kind of drifting away from the subject. Theres td counters on almost all maps, the problem is that the positions dont matter when 3 tds simply have the effect of protecting eachother.
unique scaffold
True we have gotten a smidge off topic.
twilit crystal
there really isnt aknown td counter in mines. I do know of a very small one thats sometimes worth it but its not the most effective. IF anyone wants it I can show it in a training room in game
dusky oxide
Can u draw it if i find u a hd map image?
twilit crystal
sure
dusky oxide
Ill dm it to you
twilit crystal
its on hill . You dont even need to spot the tds 90% of the time coz they are camping there anyway
dusky oxide
I like it how u can shoot through the wooden structures, its sly
smoky yoke
I say slow td's are a pain since am going up the fv183 line on my alt, at 7 and at 8 needs a buff only reason I did so well is because it's basically seal clubbing for me but dam those tanks have it hard.
Thank god for mad games, I could have maxed out the tank crews and modules without having it affecting my stats
smoky yoke
I can't even point to my main since I played it more like a td and camped till I was the last one alive >.< It worked but even then if I was a brand new player those tanks would be crap
I wish I had my default stats and not buffed it to super unicum >.<
glossy estuary
The Death Star grind should be a pain. Worst tank in the game
Server pop is going south. Hurts mm
brisk lily
the deathstar grind is a pain
stopped after AT-8(even though I had a 1st battle mastery).
unique scaffold
Good. It should be painful.
brisk lily
^
sullen vault
I disagree, 3 tds is way too influencial.Espiecally when there is a 2 183 problem and then another to top it off like the jagd or grille.I heavily disagree that most tds dont cause a campfest."A properly" is a "is if" which doesn't provide a valid point.Even if you can do something like flank well enough,if ur team dies early then thats all useless.
The only position that i recall that can allow you to "flank" and not get shutdown by tds is the right corner(north spawn).Even then getting there is risky.
plain dew
Just wondering, but will the new Improved Modules + and Defense System + reduce the damage and penetration of shots from the SU-100Y?
Because the SU-100Y has a 130mm gun
queen dune
my poor kv2, no longer will it be able to derp the whole world to death
main tulip
We should just buff mediums back so they can rule the meta
teal olive
No thank you, I like it when armor actually has a purpose
twilit crystal
yeah its called hull down 140s
subtle moat
Plz war gaming I'm asking neef the vk100 (p) and buff the kv4 hull armor a little or the gun
It is hell going against those Vk100 (p) and my kv4 keeps getting pn even when I'm side scraping
twilit crystal
the kv4 hull armor is fine
teal olive
Lol imagine if we buffed the meds back. Imagine the tourney teams like they used to be. Literally all 140s
twilit crystal
now its just is4s
Is there really a difference? Atleast meds are low skill floor in pub games unlike heavies
clever mauve
@plain dew if you shoot HE shells yes
smoky yoke
So far the only saving grace of the fv183 line is the at2 and at 15 , not sure about the tortoise since I have not played it as yet in both occasions this time I can't skip it >.<
iron lynx
AT-8 is utter garbage below average.
main tulip
I never said the meds had to be as op as they used to, just buff them so that the games aren’t dominated by is-4s and 183s
indigo knot
Grille needs buff
iron lynx
Surprisingly I prefer playing the Grille 15 over the Obj 140, or any other tier 10s I own.
oblique turtle
Wg please give t57 heavy better rewers speed. 12km/h its really not enaught
It can bounce something but seriously not so much
indigo knot
Its fun tank but not much competitive for sure
thick rover
Grille need a little camo buff? Small tank body but camo is kinda bad for its size..
slim rivet
@teal olive there are actually more meds that it used to be in CW
queen dune
i play quite a few tier 10 matches alot and i rarely see is4's, but 183's are much more common
and when i do come across them, by the time my thikk maus can get to the fight, they have both been funneled to death
slim rivet
Yeah man, 183 is still very common @queen dune
coarse harness
I think the maus has better camo than the 183 atm
queen dune
183 is fun to fight. its dipersion ia crazy high, so either they shoot and bounce or sit there for 8 seconds while i fill them up with AP
slim rivet
Fortunately enough, we never camp somewhere and have a lucky shot on u
ornate pasture
Wargaming please buff the type 59 gun depression by even 1 degree cuz I can see the potential depression but it ain't working
unique scaffold
Type 59 is already the best in gun depression compared to other Russian meds like the T-44 and T-54 families, it doesn't need a buff
clever mauve
@unique scaffold nahhhh the 59patton Is gun depression KING ! Get on my level
unique scaffold
I don't have those tanks but I have a T-54 mod. 1, 120 mm sloped armor frontally, nearly invulnerable.
You can check in the game, 120 mm frontal hull armor, and 180 frontal turret armor. That's the reason why it's also the slowest med tank compared to its Russians and Chinese brothers
It has the same engine of the SU-122-44, the V-44 engine, which is already insufficient for that TD, imagine for a heavily armored med tank
deft owl
Lol Wz-120-1g Ft pens T54 mod1 easily while t54 mod can barely pen it with gold ammo. Thats balance.
dusky oxide
Mod 1 taverse is pure balance
deft owl
@iron lynx At8 and at7 needs buff. At8 weak left part clearly indeed of buff and both tanks could use some other armor buffs to their weakspot or dpm buff.
At8 from wot pc and blitz. At8 in blitz is a joke.
shy wren
That tank was buffed due to the advent of the Badger
deft owl
It should buffed in here too. Its nothing but a pile of junk.
ornate pasture
Then could we get a better engine for the ATs
unique scaffold
@deft owl WZ is OP, and it is a TD, I was comparing meds before
deft owl
@unique scaffold Dont worry mine was sarcasm.
clever mauve
I can’t wait for blaze buff I love that tank
dim field
It's about time the blaze got some love
clever mauve
Yeahhh it needs buff to be more like Helsing ~ the aim time buff is an excellent start
dim field
Yeah very nice aim time reduction plus that extra hp and reverse speed are nice aswell You can peak a boom easier now. And having 1k base hp makes you visually less squishy. People see a tank with less than 1k hp and they just swarm
unique scaffold
@clever mauve Haha, so do I👀 👌
atomic hound
If you didn't run hp buff on Cromwell... Well... The less said the better.
clever mauve
Haha
old tree
the scav needs its armor back
modern wagon
Should make the T26E4's AP damage output 250 instead of 225. Need that extra punch with these big Tier 8 heavies. Especially with all these premium heavy's coming in.
jolly panther
What are your thoughts on the Chieftain/T95's hatch on top guys? Deserves a serious buff in armor thickness or complete removal imo; you get penned with HE frontally by anyone lol
distant river
Hey lets make every tank perfect and have no weakspots, what a great idea...
modern wagon
Nah, we need that. Chieftain is tough already. Weak cupolas needed for penetration :3
jolly panther
Well sure weakspots are a thing, but usually it's a machinegun spot or small hatches... This is huge, literally 1/3 of it's turret
distant river
Learn how to negate it then
Or just dont play it...
modern wagon
This is a premium, right?
jolly panther
Well sure it's hard to hit if you're far away, but if you camp at the back of your base in a heavy then there's a huge problem...
It's a premium, yes
distant river
@modern wagon yes
modern wagon
If it's a prem, did you take the hatch into consideration before purchase? Just curious.
jolly panther
I did, yeah - but didn't think it would be such a huge problem as I'm used to squishy tanks
distant river
Then its yout fault so stop complaining... (Or am i missing something here?)
modern wagon
I think it should stay as is. I dislike fighting that premium head on. Cupola needed for balance. Work around it. Face hug.
jolly panther
Are you sure face hugging is a good strat? You literally shove your weakspot into the guy lol...
Of course I can out dpm most tanks with it but I'd lose way too much hp doing it
distant river
You bought it, find your own way to make it work...
unique scaffold
The tier VIII Chieftain needs a fix to the cupola. It either needs more armor or a size reduction. There is no reason to have a weak spot that size on the top of a tank that is meant for ridge fighting
modern wagon
Ever tried blocking their gun with your gun? Works for me. I agree, it's big and a great weak point, but I think it's fine as is. Fight with the group. Surely the enemy will consider chewing your team first before your cupola.
unique scaffold
I'm well aware of how to play the tank. It still needs a buff to the cupola.
jolly panther
I agree with SD, either more armor or make it smaller
lunar niche
Size reduction would be good. Similar size to Chieftain MK6 perhaps?
jolly panther
At least enough armor not to be penetrated by 122mm HE shots
Or yeah, make the size more like MK6
modern wagon
Mmm, ok. I agree with the armor increase, but nothing more.
jolly panther
The MK6 gets both smaller size and more armor - and a better armor angle which adds just enough effective armor to be penetrated by all but most HE shots
The T95 just has a huge, flat 50mm block of armor which can easily get penned by everything lol
Sure, weak spots should be weak spots and I don't want it completely removed, but where's IS family's turret weak spots? The new Maus line? Other brit heavies?
I mean they all have commander's hatches or similar stuff, but they're either tiny or have armor ranging from 90mm to 200+mm
twin egret
Chieftain Mk. 6 has less armor.. wdym
jolly panther
On the hatch, 75mm I think while T95 has 50
twilit crystal
or 1 mm of spaced armor on the cupola
twin egret
nope, it has forehead weakspot on turret
jolly panther
Forehead weakspots? What
main tulip
Who tf is T95/FV4201 Chieftain
jolly panther
I mean yeah sure, if you use this tank in an open flat environment you deserve to be slapped by hesh, but if you use this on a slope it's nearly impenetrable
Unlike T95 which will just get HE'd into it's tumour
modern wagon
Excellent observation, IS.
twin egret
@jolly panther People can still shoot it's tumor even if it's using all of it's -10 degrees
jolly panther
The MK6?
main tulip
Mk6 has a forehead weakspot
twin egret
@jolly panther yes, the Mk 6
jolly panther
The forehead becomes 300+mm of effective armor on a slope, and yes the hatch can still be hit but it's really difficult and takes a well aimed shot
The T95 can try ridge fighting but is much more easily hit
twin egret
This tank should've been added instead of the Mk. 6
modern wagon
What a that?
twin egret
T95/FV4201 @modern wagon
crystal spoke
Maybe it will be added later
modern wagon
Juicy.
lunar niche
When added, obtain it from crates.
twilit crystal
the mk6 has a stb like turret.
thick rover
What is the difference between that and the Mk6 except for external add ons
sullen vault
basically if the chieftian mk.6 had an unpennable turret but loses dpm and gun handling in the proccess but recieving a bit higher alpha(440).
thick rover
Does it exist on PC? Both tanks
dire tide
Chinese server has Chieftain mk.6 at the same tier/type, but it's 100 dollars iirc (premium tank)
Outside chinese server no, PC doesn't have it
As for the T95/FV4201, yes PC has it as a clan reward vehicle
sullen vault
Mk.6 will be not on the pc client because it doesnt fit PC stated by WG,but it exist on the chinese version of WOT.Fv4201 if im not mistaken is currently a clan reward vehicle or soon to become
deft owl
Chinese wot pc runs by another company. Thats why its different from regular wot pc.
flat lotus
And Chinese server is still kept at 9.22😂
vivid minnow
Is everybody having problems playing wotblitz?
unique scaffold
Wdym
If you face bugs you can report them in #548028341265891338 or at the customer service
vivid minnow
I haven’t been able to access my account just the home screen.....my clan is gone as well
Thanks for the input
urban sleet
wz-121 needs serious buff
fringe briar
+1 ^^^^^^^^
vocal dew
+1^^^^^^^^^
violet sonnet
Not sure u guys talked about kpf but it finally feels good
Gun actually hits when aimed but low rolls are still something to fix (reduce alpha spread) but it’s finally good to hit shots after 15sec reload
shy wren
That sounds promising
hushed fox
What the wz needs most is gun depression
shy wren
What’s so bad about the Wz 121? Just curious @hushed fox
hushed fox
Dunno, I like it alot as is, lol! Except for lack of gun depression. The guys above thought it needed a buff. I like the T34-2 and 3 alot too
main tulip
Yeah they’re very likeable but have terrible dpm which really sets them back.
hushed fox
Yep true
primal mountain
SMASHER. It is just unbelievable how little WG cares about game balance. The tank is pure PAY-TO-WIN. The first true incarnation of the “Collectible Tanks” that are sold for gold as dead-OP and then maybe nerfed half an year later. It was obvious this will happen since WG has run into dead end with the game and focuses now just to milk it as fast as possible. There is very little a player can do except to refrain from spending any money on the game. Smasher is just a continuation of long track record of total F*** Ups. IS-3D, Dracula, Helsing, Spare Parts, Low-tier pruning. I have made my decision and keep causing only costs until WG gets into its senses.
main tulip
Bruh Smasher is the worst tier 7 in the game what are you talking about lmao
violet sonnet
lol thy better be sarcastic ^^^
primal mountain
Yeah. 1725 average damage and 62% WR are quite low stats for a tier VII tank
coarse harness
*T7
primal mountain
Typo fixed
dull sandal
@primal mountain my guess is that only dedicated, good players have bought the smasher
I’m sure after the second sale when it’s cheaper, the stats will go down
primal mountain
No. The BlitzStars relative WR graph tells something else. Try understand what the extremely informative graph means. Below average players have 4.5-7% higher WR with Smasher than with their other tanks. That’s a lot. We are talking here probably about the most OP tank ever after notoriously OP Keni Otsu.
iron lynx
When a tier 7 heavy has similar damage, similar reload speed but more armor than a tier 8 Borsig…
hearty cliff
It's confirmed, Smasher is op
atomic hound
Same reload speed
dapper shadow
@river quest English, please
hearty cliff
He's asking how to use camo (probably camo certificates)
river quest
How to use a certificate for camouflage when camouflage is taken out of free sale
unique scaffold
Dose anyone know if the kv4 got nerfed
shy wren
KV-4 hasn’t been nerfed @unique scaffold
shy wren
Used to. Loved mine to bits, before moving on to the ST-I
dusky oxide
T-34-3 didnt even get a buff -_-
unique scaffold
Sang im grinding for it rn im kinda using the 50% off tier 9 to research it im like 76k off from being able to research it
Dang*
The t 34 3 idk its easy to fight well i mean i usally fight it in kv4 so
shy wren
@dusky oxide the aforementioned buffs on #devs-answers will come in a future patch, not this patch
unique scaffold
I feel bad for kv2 players
dusky oxide
Thats cause it has worse dpm than a t6 heavy and has to fight in matches full of heavies with 175 standard ap pen -_- @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
Yea but you can sorta help it with calibrated shells
dusky oxide
@shy wren so it didnt get a buff yet :) i see
unique scaffold
The jg tiger 88 need somthing i cant think of it tho i feel like its missing something
deft owl
@unique scaffold Lol Kv-4 needs buff.
unique scaffold
Your not wrong its armor isnt op any more
@true copper sooo it depends for credits i use the jg tiger 88 but thats because im better with a td use a tank that fits your play style
@true copper if your on north amarican server ill toon and help you out some
vestal sapphire
@dense socket
true copper
I’m on the Asian server @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
Lol
glossy estuary
After gutting my garage to get the new German super heavies at 8 and 9 WG nerfs them to oblivion. Both tanks now feel like a POS Russian heavy.
That’s why I don’t spend real cash on the game and don’t feel guilty one bit.
true copper
Pos Russian heavy ?? @glossy estuary
shy wren
Oh, so a 123mm gun has the same alpha to a 12.8cm and a 130mm gun apparently
unique scaffold
Why the alpha isn't the same of the 120-122mm?
shy wren
I have no clue. Wished it had 440 alpha instead :/
unique scaffold
Then WG should differentiate 150-152 from 155 mm
shy wren
Prolly 700 alpha for 155mm guns if that’s the case
indigo knot
123 should be given like 420alpha .....even the autoloader has that good dpm
But I sometimes think Badger will be a pain to deal with in these small maps
unique scaffold
@river quest Rible said they will add an option soon
fast meteor
What about a speed buff to t62?
glossy estuary
@true copper Just bunkers with horrible gun handing. German tank should have a decent gun
uncut fractal
to be honest fv4005 should have a 4 round clip or hopefully a 2 second reload between shells for its 3 round autoloader otherwise t57 heavy will be basically better
quartz steeple
Even 2 second seems more for a td
twilit crystal
I think 4 rounds with 460 with 1800 would really be pushing it
indigo knot
What about DPM ....it has more 600 more than the Heavy autoloaders and penetration is more .....I rather want its clip potential to be nerfed
twilit crystal
and the heavy autoloaders have much more flexibility. I agree the t57 is pretty garbage but the amx has more armor,usable elevation, better mobility, better accuracy,
unique scaffold
@twilit crystal so what your saying is grind for amx lol
twilit crystal
I mean its a great tank overall. I have a very large sample of battles in it(500 games) with 70% winrate and 3k+ avg dmg
unique scaffold
Cause im looking for suggestions for my next tank line to grind
unique scaffold
Errrrrrr i dont wanna talk about them
twilit crystal
dm me and I can tell you. I don't really make fun of people asking for help. It would be like making fun of a fat guy at the gym. I do occasionaly make fun of the fat guys sitting at home thinking they active
unique scaffold
Hold on i guess
orchid grove
@uncut fractal I’m not sure you fully grasp the capabilities of that FV-4005 gun
That gun has nearly 1400 clip potential, and more DPM than most medium tanks, and 280mm of base pen. That thing will tear you apart if he catches you out
uncut fractal
not if it gets an HE shell from an e100 in the turret damaging ammo rack gun loader gunner engine etc
orchid grove
1380 for 960 is still a passable trade; that’s the scary part
jagged dagger
🤔
indigo knot
Imagine a grille doing that trade or waffle ......RIP
smoky yoke
It's a tank with no armor ,it mostly if it did not have fv183 gun would have good gun. Course that would be the only thing going for it
twilit crystal
and blitz has auto repair everything kit too so doesnt matter lol
another stupid problem with the kv2 is that if im in a tier 6 heavy and its a 1v1 with a kv2 ik i have to take around 350 in dmg no matter what I do unless RNG blesses me. This is just absurd. its a whole third of my hitpoint pool at tier 6
hoary sorrel
Badger is op in its current state lol
4005 situational. Really need to know how good the camo is first
twilit crystal
its garbage