#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 118

frozen vine Feb 21, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Ok, your choice...

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Yeah i did watch it and i regret it because i just realized that you want your amx to be buffed to the level of an is3d.

tribal summit Feb 21, 2019, 5:06 PM

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WG is not taking ideas fron this place afaik

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Do you really think your amx is the only tank that has happened to? @frozen vine

tribal summit Feb 21, 2019, 5:07 PM

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I had beter results with one shot gun in sp i c

frozen vine Feb 21, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Yea agree, leave this, becase just they are thinking they are doing their job well.

@tribal summit agree...

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 5:10 PM

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@tribal summit i wonder why they dont :D

frozen vine Feb 21, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Rhansu is that guy, who never played 13 90...

wraith lance Feb 21, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Wtf the 13 90 doesn't need a buff

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 5:12 PM

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@frozen vine i have that tank, and i also have the t10 batchat with a 63% wr.

frozen vine Feb 21, 2019, 5:12 PM

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wow 👏

tribal summit Feb 21, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Amx bad gun deprrssion as light action tank

wraith lance Feb 21, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Oscilating turrets usually have bad gun depression

halcyon hound Feb 21, 2019, 5:15 PM

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LOL

iron lynx Feb 21, 2019, 5:16 PM

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U forgot the autoloader

frozen vine Feb 21, 2019, 5:16 PM

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yea thanks

wraith lance Feb 21, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Lmao is this dude really complaining because a french light tank doesn't have armor

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 5:16 PM

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@frozen vine with speed, amazing camo numbers, small profilee and an autoloader that can deliver 670 dmg. All that but maybe you dont want to play it in a way that makes these aspects worth having the downsides.

frozen vine Feb 21, 2019, 5:17 PM

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670 per clip ok, and now how many shells you can penetrate per ONE clip? (without golds)

iron lynx Feb 21, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Actually, the AMX pen is acceptable for the clip damage

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 5:17 PM

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@frozen vine all if you are in the right position.

iron lynx Feb 21, 2019, 5:18 PM

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And it isn't intended to 1 v 1 from the front

frozen vine Feb 21, 2019, 5:18 PM

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I was on right position hm? Still 2 bounces just normally.... bye 👋

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Here, @frozen vine, can you see where your tank is?

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wraith lance Feb 21, 2019, 5:18 PM

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You can pen most medium and lights with AP, some heavies need APCR for the front but if you are dealing with a heavy frontally you are doing it wrong

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 5:19 PM

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I wish that there was some way for the 13/90 to have a influence on the battle.

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dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Its one of the green pillars. Notice how its the 2nd highest in terms of win rate in light tanks?

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 5:23 PM

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It amazes me that the t44 is so high

wraith lance Feb 21, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Also that the Indien Panzer is so low

errant warren Feb 21, 2019, 5:24 PM

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How pershing is so high

iron lynx Feb 21, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Persh is good, imo

errant warren Feb 21, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Advantage versus CDC smaller and pointless armour

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 5:28 PM

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CDC is paper

uncut fractal Feb 21, 2019, 5:28 PM

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armour my dude cdc is HEable frontally by anything

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 5:28 PM

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U forgot the rammer 😄

errant warren Feb 21, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Ididnt mean to ADD that

uncut fractal Feb 21, 2019, 5:29 PM

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oh look u also put a rammer on cdc in this one but not on pershing. technically e100 is better then maus in everything if the maus has absolutely nothing mounted on it and 50% crew and e100 is maxed

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 5:29 PM

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I thought the t54ltwt would be doing better.

ocean agate Feb 21, 2019, 6:40 PM

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I got into a 4v4 battle after the update; is that normal?

wraith lance Feb 21, 2019, 6:49 PM

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It's normal when the queue takes too long or because not a lot of people are playing

coarse harness Feb 21, 2019, 7:30 PM

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There are a lot of strange things after server restarts

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soft wasp Feb 21, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Heres a fun question. Why would I ever spend gold on prammo, and why does it always default to spending gold on it when you change a gun

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whoops wrong room

coarse harness Feb 21, 2019, 7:49 PM

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But not wrong question🤔

ripe oasis Feb 21, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Wait so now we get smaller games depending on length?

rain bough Feb 21, 2019, 8:08 PM

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French lights need more gun elevation

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 8:11 PM

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No they don't. That is one of the peculiarities of playing the French lights.

rain bough Feb 21, 2019, 8:15 PM

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That's gay, i was on a flat piece of land on port bay, and i lost the game because the last enemy was about half a meter above me and i couldn't get the gun up

wraith lance Feb 21, 2019, 8:17 PM

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Oscilating turrets 101

junior tulip Feb 21, 2019, 8:17 PM

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@rain bough you get used to them after playing them for awhile

quick ravine Feb 21, 2019, 8:18 PM

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@coarse harness what the? That’s 9v9! Nice camo by the way

fringe ibex Feb 21, 2019, 8:42 PM

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You want me really really really to delete the game wg, right. The is no other explanation, why my team 10 games in row consists of people with <45% WR and the reds are nearly all above 60%. This is really frustrating. You want to loose me, well...

compact sundial Feb 21, 2019, 8:43 PM

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WG doesn't care. If you want to leave then there is nothing really stopping you. Another player will take your place, as always in the buisness world...

fringe ibex Feb 21, 2019, 8:45 PM

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I know a lot of frustrated guys, many talented people left, see i.e. legion

compact sundial Feb 21, 2019, 8:51 PM

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And WG didn't care as long as they continue to get a paycheck. They care for the people wanting to enjoy thier game, but they also have to think about their bottom lines and how to keep their app available on many more platforms. If they pandered to every last thing like a skill based MM the wait times would be unbearable and completely out of line. Would you wait 5-10 minutes for ONE game of Blitz? When this is supposed to be more fast paced and action packed than WOT on PC or console?

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 8:54 PM

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48% is the average win rate of the player base. How can you still be surprised when you have sub 50% wr team mates.

Carry harder.

Matchmaking is random. The only way to guarantee that there is a 60%er on your team is to become the 60%. The only way to become a 60%er is by excelling at the game.

Also this isn't the place to complain a out matchmaking.

jovial kernel Feb 21, 2019, 9:04 PM

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~~nerf PRAMO they're too op~~

ripe oasis Feb 21, 2019, 9:06 PM

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~~nerf the costs of premiums, too op~~

coarse harness Feb 21, 2019, 9:53 PM

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@quick ravine thx, but that wasn't me

distant river Feb 21, 2019, 10:01 PM

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@unique scaffold also if you are the 60%, your teammates WR will be 46% if the average is kept at 48%. Basically if youre 60%, you need to carry harder

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 10:03 PM

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The team wr isn't averaged out between the two teams. It is random. 60%ers become 60%ers despite what the matchmaker throws at them.

distant river Feb 21, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Oh yeah, but if you consider the averageover many battles, a 60% player will have to carry 46% teams

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 10:14 PM

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hello my friends

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And that's how they become a 60%er.

distant river Feb 21, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Yes, everyone complains abou how they get noobs on their teams, but the better you get, the worse your teams will statistically be

late wraith Feb 21, 2019, 10:32 PM

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:0

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Mind blown

twilit crystal Feb 21, 2019, 10:34 PM

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@distant river your teams average minus your winrate and platoons winrate is always gonna be 48%

distant river Feb 21, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Ummm no?

twilit crystal Feb 21, 2019, 10:35 PM

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i mean on long term average. If you take 100 games that will your teams average winrate

distant river Feb 21, 2019, 10:35 PM

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On long term average yes (apart from the lucky or unlucky ones)

fringe ibex Feb 21, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Even if you count in statistics - if you land in the 15th game in row as low tier against top tier clan players - sorry, but this is bullsh...

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And you can as hard as you can, but if your team dies within 30 sec, you cant win

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 11:14 PM

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What is the avg wr for scorpion? Where we look for that?

fringe ibex Feb 21, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Blitzstars.com

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 11:20 PM

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I think that site is not convincing

empty ice Feb 21, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Why not convincing?

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@unique scaffold

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 11:25 PM

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I think vk 100p have not so low avg wr. The general stat say that vk have more avg wr.

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empty ice Feb 21, 2019, 11:33 PM

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?

shy wren Feb 21, 2019, 11:43 PM

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It’s a popular tank, compared to the Skorpion G @unique scaffold
With that many people playing the tank and having that WR, it’s pretty strong.

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Try comparing other popular HTs to it

empty ice Feb 21, 2019, 11:48 PM

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8500 people compared to 2000

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 1:34 AM

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VK also is a more forgiving tank

shy wren Feb 22, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Proof

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jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 1:41 AM

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VK has actually balanced armor
tbh just nerf either traverse or gun depression

shy wren Feb 22, 2019, 1:42 AM

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Prolly traverse, Maus has the same degree of gun depression

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 1:54 AM

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yeah but less gun depression means people can side hug easier

shy wren Feb 22, 2019, 1:56 AM

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cough * russian meds * cough *

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And what of your saying about the cupola requiring a minor nerf? @jovial kernel

twilit crystal Feb 22, 2019, 1:59 AM

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it does traverse too fast and has too good gun handling IMO

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 2:29 AM

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@shy wren Honestly I don't really care about a minor cupola nerf but such a meta changing tank should always be at least a little underpowered in the grand scheme of things

glass coral Feb 22, 2019, 2:49 AM

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@unique scaffold @spark star lttb already suffered a traverse nerf. Any more further nerfs will kill its ability to drift, which is what the tank is iconic for in game

soft wasp Feb 22, 2019, 6:10 AM

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kpfpz70's are not tier ix worthy tanks, i'm waving that flag forever

wraith lance Feb 22, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Yeah it's like the 3rd time you said that

unique scaffold Feb 22, 2019, 8:48 AM

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@soft wasp It needs reload and camo buff, in every other aspect the MBT is balanced enough

tawdry moat Feb 22, 2019, 8:49 AM

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How is Kpfpz 70, not tier 9 worthy? At tier 9 does great.

unique scaffold Feb 22, 2019, 8:52 AM

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I own it, it's great, oh that's what it needs, a RNG dmg less disadvantaged, HE rarely does more than 200 dmg and often the APCR does like a 130 mm (and VK45.02 B does often 500 dmg with a 128 mm gun). Kpfpz 70 until now is basically castrated

tawdry moat Feb 22, 2019, 8:54 AM

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Kpfpz 70, is a peak-aboo tank, tbh its play is similar to the Kv3. Imo.
Has armour but not reliable. The gun has high Alpha slow reload.

unique scaffold Feb 22, 2019, 8:58 AM

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You can shorten the reload to 14.8 using provisions and rammer, but I repeat myself, if I have to have a long reload I want a good deal of damage, RNG dmg often does not do justice to its 152 mm gun (already castrated by 560 alpha and not 640). I can't stand a 128 mm doing almost always more damage than my 152 mm. Turret is solid, but an extra 1° of gun depression would be fine.

unique scaffold Feb 22, 2019, 11:28 AM

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Someone got T28D ? Considering getting it

fiery cairn Feb 22, 2019, 11:58 AM

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Hmm

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The T28D

Pros:
Good frontal armor
Better side armor
Max speed of 30
3 clip round that can deal 1200
Better turret armor

Cons: lower pen
Lengthy magizine reload
Bad Dpm

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I’d says it’s a balanced support tank

unique scaffold Feb 22, 2019, 12:03 PM

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Worth 30€ and some collectors or wait for something else ?

fiery cairn Feb 22, 2019, 12:04 PM

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Wait for something else

unique scaffold Feb 22, 2019, 12:04 PM

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K thx

sour marsh Feb 22, 2019, 12:04 PM

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2135 dpm vs 2822

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T28prot has better DPM ->2832

unique scaffold Feb 22, 2019, 12:08 PM

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I just hope they sell something interesting
Like M4A1 Ravioli or T-34-3

coarse harness Feb 22, 2019, 1:17 PM

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You forgot the +300 HP compared to the regular proto

obsidian osprey Feb 22, 2019, 3:54 PM

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And the turret tumors

twilit crystal Feb 22, 2019, 4:47 PM

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yeah roof top turret is useless in blitz in such a tall tank anyway in most in most situations. It would be good in pc

viral nimbus Feb 22, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Wg plz buff amx line ... how to play with a amx tire 8 when tire 8 is full premiums is6 is 5 is 3 def the german one vk 100p .. now t 28 def u need to think more for lights tanks and meds in my opinion

unique scaffold Feb 22, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Hi!im new fase!

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New tank was made......chi-ri.....i cant win to tier8....

junior tulip Feb 22, 2019, 8:13 PM

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@viral nimbus the amx line is fine. Just a very unique play style. Learn to play them and they are super fun

visual nimbus Feb 22, 2019, 8:16 PM

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^

unique scaffold Feb 22, 2019, 8:17 PM

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^

small flame Feb 22, 2019, 8:48 PM

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just remember that lights arent meant to dogfight for an extended period of time

junior tulip Feb 22, 2019, 8:56 PM

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^

unique scaffold Feb 22, 2019, 9:25 PM

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amx's are interesting:
you spot a bunch of tanks
your team starts attacking them
you go around
shoot them in the side
repeat

don't forget to throw a little cod in there

mint elm Feb 22, 2019, 9:39 PM

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What the hell is this new t28 wallet warrior monster? Thing is OP as hell and impenetrable unless your in it’s flush side or side of turret. Not one frontal weak spot? Really Wargaming? That’s literally blatant pay to win. I feel so bad for anyone who is new to this game and doesn’t just whip out their wallet and pay for tanks. This game becomes more and more unplayable for me with every new over powered premium introduced

dim field Feb 22, 2019, 9:46 PM

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So far circling it seems to work if you can't pen it frontally

amber hazel Feb 22, 2019, 9:49 PM

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@unique scaffold dobrze im powiedziałeś 😄

rain ivy Feb 22, 2019, 9:54 PM

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@mint elm you obviously aren't playing right then

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 10:06 PM

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WG should buff the T28 Proto turret armor values to what the Defender edition has on the front and cheeks tbh

mint elm Feb 22, 2019, 10:11 PM

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No they should nerf the defender. It’s literally 50 US dollars right now. It’s pay to win. Very obvious pay to win. Even EA does a better job at hiding their pay to win stuff like jeez

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Not when you can literally just park behind it

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lone warren Feb 22, 2019, 10:19 PM

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Are people really finding the defender that powerful? I havent had much trouble going against one

unique scaffold Feb 22, 2019, 10:21 PM

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@mint elm. Not pay to win.

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 10:23 PM

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It's only OP because the player base isn't smart enough to know how to get rid of them
Which in case you didn't realize, is the exact same situation a certain tech tree tier 8 German super heavy tank has been in for months.

wraith lance Feb 22, 2019, 10:26 PM

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I don't struggle against T28Ds. As a tier VIII you can pen the cheeks and the cupolas with ease. I believe most heavies can go through the front.

As a tier VII you don't engage it frontally unless you can pen it frontally like a TD would. Flanking a T28D isn't that hard specially when the turret doesn't traverse all the way.

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 10:26 PM

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It's not pay to win if you can do it without money too you know

wraith lance Feb 22, 2019, 10:26 PM

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Obviously you can't be silly enough to sit in front of one for like what, 12 seconds?

unique scaffold Feb 22, 2019, 10:27 PM

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As a long time player of this game it saddens me to see what the player base has devolved to. I remember the times of +2/-2 where tanks took tactics and teamwork to defeat. Fast forward to now, where any tank you can't park in front of and trade shots with is considered OP. It's downright sad.

wraith lance Feb 22, 2019, 10:28 PM

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I agree. The playerbase was always mediocre but recently it has been getting much worse

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 10:29 PM

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The T28D is absolutely more powerful than the honestly meh IS-3D though so it is def above average. Shame we don't have better tier 8 tech tree autoloader tanks

mint elm Feb 22, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Bruh I’ve been here since +2/-2 as well. You’re not special. I miss those days too. This game doesn’t require skill anyway. It literally tells when you can and cannot pen something. And when people can’t instead of “tactics and teamwork” they load the gold and call it a day. This game has never been about tactics. It’s a fun little run and gun version of PC.

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 10:31 PM

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This has more tactics than camping simulator 2018 I mean WoT PC lol
Plus being good at the game makes much more of an impact than on PC

wraith lance Feb 22, 2019, 10:32 PM

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Considering we have literal professional players out there, I disagree with 'this game doesn't require skill anyway'.

mint elm Feb 22, 2019, 10:32 PM

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There’s a professional league for farming simulator too... having a professional player means literally nothing lol

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 10:34 PM

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In this game everyone matters twice as much compared to PC. That means your impact to the team is significantly greater than it ever will be on PC and being good at the game is more rewarded.

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And don't forget that on PC prammo spam is only punished credits wise where in blitz you lose Alpha damage and dpm

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Calling this game a run and gun version of PC is massively wrong, and honestly skill matters much more than on PC where being good means artillery uses XVM to see your stats and bombards you constantly, blowing your tracks off from behind cover half way across the map.

dim field Feb 22, 2019, 10:40 PM

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Professional tic-tac-toe.
You either win or draw

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 10:41 PM

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Lol guess the cookies guy doesn't have a response to what I said

lone warren Feb 22, 2019, 10:41 PM

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I dont understand how you can say the game has never been about tactics

crystal spoke Feb 22, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Simple you dont understand the game well @lone warren

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Ye ezpz

crystal spoke Feb 22, 2019, 10:44 PM

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Or rather how it works in an efficient manner

wraith lance Feb 22, 2019, 10:44 PM

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I mean there are a lot of strategies and tactics you can use for your advantage, like spotting, use of terrain, knowing you and your enemy, angling, relocating and a lot more.

A player who uses these tactics will absolutely outplay someone who doesn't.

The problem with the game is that people either don't know or don't care about that. Compared to other shooting mobile games where most of the time you shoot until the other guy dies and there is much less stratrgy involved.

lone warren Feb 22, 2019, 10:45 PM

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@crystal spoke Please enlighten me

dim field Feb 22, 2019, 10:46 PM

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I think Shermans there is/was trying to say that you can say the game has never been about tactics if you don't understand the game very well.

They weren't actually saying you don't understand it.

lone warren Feb 22, 2019, 10:46 PM

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Its 11pm dont judge me

crystal spoke Feb 22, 2019, 10:47 PM

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Well if you dont know that there is tactics in a game then you dont have a full understanding of the game and yes hickory I didnt mean him in particular

dim field Feb 22, 2019, 10:47 PM

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It's ok I had to read it a couple times.

crystal spoke Feb 22, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Yeah I probably could have worded it better but I'm exhausted and probably not thinking perfectly

mint elm Feb 22, 2019, 11:13 PM

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I understand the game and all just fine. And I understand the mechanics and tactics of how to play. It’s just the vast majority of players throw themselves at the enemy tank and think oh well next tank.

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Better than everyone hiding behind rocks the entire game in fear of artillery like it is on PC

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Anyways with smaller team sizes bad players are punished more and better players are rewarded more

mint elm Feb 22, 2019, 11:16 PM

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And me saying that shouldn’t be interrupted as I think every play doesn’t care. And I agree with you, pc is just a bunch of people sitting in a corner, bush, or behind a rock. But I also think most causal players that don’t care about winning don’t care about tactics

wraith lance Feb 22, 2019, 11:17 PM

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bUt arTillErY PrEvEnTs cAmpiNg

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 11:18 PM

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And blitz actually punishes the spamming of prammo unlike PC

wraith lance Feb 22, 2019, 11:18 PM

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The thing with Blitz is that 3 bad players is much worse than on PC because the teams are so small

mint elm Feb 22, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Players like us who are dedicated enough to go join a discoed and discuss how we feel about the game obviously care more about the game than the typical run of the mill player who fires off a few shots gets 800 damage and moves on to the next game

wraith lance Feb 22, 2019, 11:19 PM

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3 bad players is almost half the team on Blitz, on PC 3 bad players is only 1/5th of the team

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 11:20 PM

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1 good player on blitz is 1/7 of the team, on PC It's 1/15

wraith lance Feb 22, 2019, 11:20 PM

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That's my opinion anyways, barely played PC because I dislike the whole concept of arty and my PC is crap

mint elm Feb 22, 2019, 11:21 PM

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I agree with the bad teams. But Blitz doesn’t necessarily punish the use of premium ammo choices. It simply encourages players to take more of them to balance out the damage difference. Although I completely agree that a bad player is punished more

wraith lance Feb 22, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Blitz is seen by most people as a casual run n' shoot game, because that's the nature of most mobile games

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People taking more prammo than before isn't that good either, it's more expensive and your DPM is reduced

mint elm Feb 22, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Ok remember tho, that with prammo you are penning the shots which you would usually bounce. So in theory you could be having the same dpm. Now obviously that isn’t always the case but still

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 11:25 PM

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You don't need prammo to pen 70% of tanks you meet in matchmaking so not really

wraith lance Feb 22, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Agreed

mint elm Feb 22, 2019, 11:26 PM

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Why I included the “now obviously... so not really” clause

wraith lance Feb 22, 2019, 11:27 PM

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I usually carry 10 prammo rounds per tank with some exceptions and I don't use them a lot unless I have to, or to secure a kill

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 11:27 PM

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I carry enough prammo to kill a heavy 1 tier higher

wraith lance Feb 22, 2019, 11:28 PM

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I carry 7 for high pen tanks like a T34 or a tank destroyer, and 15 for something with an underwhelmin gun like a Comet

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For autoloaders I usually carry 3 prammo magazines, 1 HE magazine and the rest is AP

empty ice Feb 22, 2019, 11:39 PM

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I carry 50-60% non-premium, 30-40% premium and 10-15% he

jovial kernel Feb 22, 2019, 11:47 PM

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That's a lotta prammo

unique scaffold Feb 22, 2019, 11:48 PM

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I carry 30-45% prammo in every tank. I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. If I shoot it unnecessarily... big deal. It's only credits and I can always earn more.

viral nimbus Feb 23, 2019, 1:05 AM

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@junior tulip i know how to play with amx i have 82 win rate 600 battles tire 7 but need a pen buff just a pen buff to many strong tanks if wg buf pen it will good i think amx line is great line with a buff with be one of the best ...

dim field Feb 23, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Did you get that quote from AvP?

arctic cosmos Feb 23, 2019, 1:40 AM

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@viral nimbus it doesn't need a buff whatsoever, you don't face heavies in the front period. French lights are made for getting sideshots, if you are struggling to pen tanks in the side, then you need to aim

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 3:19 AM

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Vk100 needs a nerf.... went up against 4 of them and absolutely got destroyed... they could easily pen me but I couldn’t pen them even with heat....

neon peak Feb 23, 2019, 3:36 AM

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What tank where you in? @red condor

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 3:39 AM

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Kv5.

cold axle Feb 23, 2019, 3:39 AM

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VK100 does not need nerf.

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 3:40 AM

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It really does. It has absolutely too much armor, and has a good gun for that kinda armor..

neon peak Feb 23, 2019, 3:40 AM

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I think it needs a nerf but not a huge one just a small one.

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 3:41 AM

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It needs a good sized nerf though

cold axle Feb 23, 2019, 3:42 AM

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The armor is fine I can pen that thing in a comet

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Gets highest WR and most dmg in its tier

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neon peak Feb 23, 2019, 3:44 AM

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Oof forgot it was that much better in the graphs then the other tanks.

cold axle Feb 23, 2019, 3:58 AM

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Well. If there was not different tanks with different strong suits then this game would not be fun. Like the lights they speed and peek a boom you.

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 4:01 AM

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But there is nothing that can really compete with the vk100.

dim field Feb 23, 2019, 4:05 AM

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Befriend a Td
Become a Td
Aim for the cupola or lower plate
gold ammo might help
Flank
Ignore and target other threats first.

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Usually those do the trick rather well.
The only nerfs I've heard that the vk could reasonably have is a slight traverse nerf. Aside from that the VK is fine as is.

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 4:11 AM

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3 is impossible if you get into a face hug brawl. Same with 6, and 5, I use gold ammo every time on vks and about %75 bounce or don’t do dmg. Td’s are usually useless.. and I don’t play td’s.

dim field Feb 23, 2019, 4:13 AM

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Why are you facehugging a super heavy? That's amoung the worst positions you can be in.

I don't have issues while in a Td even when using a tier 7

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Well, when 4 of them rush you at the same time, your screwed.....
Hence, what happened to me, but 1 face hugged me and I couldn’t pen for anything....

crystal spoke Feb 23, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Out speed them

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 4:17 AM

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In a tank that goes 14 backwards... good luck bud...

dim field Feb 23, 2019, 4:17 AM

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4 of them rushing you doesn't mean it needs a nerf

crystal spoke Feb 23, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Were you the only tank on your team?

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 4:18 AM

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The point is, if the get near you, you are not penning them.
No

crystal spoke Feb 23, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Why would you let them near you without your team?

dim field Feb 23, 2019, 4:18 AM

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So if you get into a bad position, you should still be able to take them on?

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Hmm, maybe they should weaken its gun to like a 310 alpha, like the kv5. Vk has far better armor than that, and has a much better gun....

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Only people that don’t want a Vk,100 nerf are people that abuse its power.

umbral hound Feb 23, 2019, 4:23 AM

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VK 100p doesn't seem too crazy to me. Maybe a little strong but I don't think it is nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

crystal spoke Feb 23, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Or those who realize that it's not op

dim field Feb 23, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Kv-5 has faster reload and better dpm

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 4:24 AM

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But kv5 has bad pen. Especially against that thing

umbral hound Feb 23, 2019, 4:24 AM

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I mean... yes the VK is probably better overall than the KV5... but that isn't really saying a lot. There are many tanks better than the KV5

dim field Feb 23, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Kv-5 is also faster forward speed and has more hp

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Hp don’t mean nothing when it only has about 200 more, but the Vk is nearly 20 tons heavier, so it wins that war.

dim field Feb 23, 2019, 4:28 AM

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So the kv-5 is faster, more hp, faster reload, better dpm but you want the Vks damage or armor nerfed because the kv-5 has lower alpha?

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Hey devs I'd like to have the t28 prot for free the tank looks awesome and I'd like to have it for free if u guys want to be generous and the name for my account is tristram1_deffender

shy wren Feb 23, 2019, 4:29 AM

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@red condor the Vk’s stock gun is a 310 alpha 10.5cm gun. Highly doubt that they will make its huge 12.8cm gun have 310 alpha

hushed pier Feb 23, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Dang, I'm broke and no good tank :(

crystal spoke Feb 23, 2019, 4:29 AM

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I have a feeling that's not going to work out

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Health don’t mean nothing to a kv5 when it can be easily penned by the Vk and the Vk can get a good 500

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 4:30 AM

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T28 is no good don't care tank still looks awesome and would love to have it

crystal spoke Feb 23, 2019, 4:30 AM

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Just research the tank if you want it

shy wren Feb 23, 2019, 4:30 AM

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@unique scaffold you just can’t ask for a tank. You either buy it or research it

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 4:31 AM

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It's a premium but it was also worth a try

crystal spoke Feb 23, 2019, 4:31 AM

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The proto is a tech tree tank

shy wren Feb 23, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Nahh, you’re not getting that Defender if you ask.
You’ve gotta pay money for it

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 4:31 AM

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It was worth a try still

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Super broke but at least I didn't demand

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Give me credit for asking nicely

dim field Feb 23, 2019, 4:33 AM

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I'm still not understanding why the Vk should be nerfed. Perhaps you should try something else rather than faceing a Vk head on. It's damage and armor are fine. It's a super heavy, your Kv isnt. Use that extra speed, dpm, and reload to hit it from the side. Or attack with a teammate.

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Look at the charts, if your too blind to notice it has best stats at tier 8, then you have problems.

crystal spoke Feb 23, 2019, 4:36 AM

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Dont forget to point out that the average wr is 48% and most players dont try to get better

shy wren Feb 23, 2019, 4:36 AM

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yawn *
This again?

dim field Feb 23, 2019, 4:36 AM

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Currently the Vks winrate appears so high because players haven't picked up on how to beat it yet. You often get people sitting in lights and meds trying to fight a hulldown Vk head on. Or you get people in kv5's complaining that they can't beat a vk frontally after they don't want to try hitting it from the side.

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 4:37 AM

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Or you get people like you, who probably doesn’t want the Vk to get nerfed, just so you can get your wr up an your avg dmg....

dim field Feb 23, 2019, 4:38 AM

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Grade A assumption you got there. Would be a shame to inform you I don't own the Vk.

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Instead of needlessly nerfing the obstacle, buff your strats. I don't know what else to tell you really.

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 4:43 AM

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Man, if we could bring this game back to 2015 version, it would be perfect. No fantasy tanks, no way op tanks, and no useless countries.

crystal spoke Feb 23, 2019, 4:44 AM

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You could do a long step by step advice on how to deal with it that might be good for new players (I mean more detailed than your previous) @dim field

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 4:45 AM

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New player but has been playing since 2014, great logic. 👌

crystal spoke Feb 23, 2019, 4:46 AM

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Did I say you were a new player?

red condor Feb 23, 2019, 4:47 AM

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I don’t have time to argue with people that don’t have half a brain. I’ve got ice fishing to do in 6 hours. I need rest.

crystal spoke Feb 23, 2019, 4:47 AM

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I said "it might be good for new players" if your not a new player then that doesnt mean you

jovial kernel Feb 23, 2019, 4:49 AM

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@dim field tbf I don't think anyone would be mad about a VK traverse Nerf

shy wren Feb 23, 2019, 4:50 AM

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But armorwise, it’s ok, just that people need to learn to deal with a superheavy. The KV-4 was just like that, just that no one plays it

dim field Feb 23, 2019, 4:51 AM

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I wouldn't be heart broken about that kind of nerf. I don't own it but have been told it's surprisingly speedy when turning. As long as they aren't nerfing it's damage or armor, I'm fine. Since i don't own the tank i can't speak much about its dispersion

crystal spoke Feb 23, 2019, 4:52 AM

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A traverse nerf wouldn't be bad but they are asking for alpha and armour nerfs

weary spindle Feb 23, 2019, 5:10 AM

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@dim field and also gun nerf. It has big gun but great accuracy, it doesnt make logic.

dim field Feb 23, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Are you suggesting to nerf the accuracy?

shy wren Feb 23, 2019, 5:12 AM

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More of the gun handling, it’s a bit better than the Russians

jovial kernel Feb 23, 2019, 5:21 AM

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how is the accuracy on it great lmao it's almost at Russian levels @weary spindle

lunar niche Feb 23, 2019, 6:06 AM

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That chart is of 5.5. Its when the VK and Mauschen first arrived so it will be inflated.

Even the VK72, a supposedly garbage super heavy has 3rd best WR on that 5.5 chart.

indigo knot Feb 23, 2019, 6:19 AM

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The only nerf Vk needs is traverse nerf ...rest of it is ok .....

smoky yoke Feb 23, 2019, 6:53 AM

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By next month when all the good players. Stop playing the tank and more regular players do. Course more of the 60-65 winrate players are the first ones to unlock all the tanks at high tiers first.

dusky oxide Feb 23, 2019, 10:25 AM

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@smoky yoke that chart only includes platers with a wr of 55-65. I doubt the stats are gonna go down much for that reason.

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Ive seen the vk turn a 47%er into a 53%er. It seems very easy to use, maybe too easy. Vks layout of armor on a platform that has good accuracy and traverse is such a simple yet effective concept when its in a tier where inaccurate low profile heavies are the norm. You can struggle to pen a vk even on a cdc because its easy even for a bad player to stay out of open areas and face your armor the right way.

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. Traverse is a highly important stat in a heavy. It allows for faster reactions to defend from a flanking enemy, which in turn is the natural predator of heavies among tank destroyers. So by simply nerfing that stat the vk can be made more vulnerable in situations it should be. If nerfing traverse wont be enough we can start discussing a cupola nerf

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 11:03 AM

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who say in polish

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 11:29 AM

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Buff Kpfpz 70 RNG damage, it's intolerable a VK.100 does often 540 with a 128 mm gun and I can't often do even 500 with a (castrated) 152 mm gun. WG, I paid money for that tank especially for that characteristic, it deserves a bit of fairness

dusky oxide Feb 23, 2019, 2:43 PM

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@unique scaffold what are you talking about? Kpz has the best alpha out of any tier 9 heavy. Do you understand how dmg rolls (rng) work?

wraith lance Feb 23, 2019, 3:37 PM

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bUt it hAs a 152mm gUn

shy wren Feb 23, 2019, 3:43 PM

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It’s an American 152mm. They should’ve used 155mm guns. Only stronk Soviet Russia capable of utilizing the 152mm to full capacity

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 3:53 PM

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Remove kv2 seriously that thing is broken af

wraith lance Feb 23, 2019, 4:20 PM

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Why did they even remove the T-150

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The transition between the KV-2 and the KV-3 doesnt make sense

lone warren Feb 23, 2019, 4:40 PM

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Kv2 isnt broken

worn sierra Feb 23, 2019, 4:40 PM

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you have to manage to be good in the kv-2 - imagine how hard that must be, playing a tank with that kind of skill cap, to try to get to the kv3

lone warren Feb 23, 2019, 4:43 PM

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It has a low health pool for a heavy, its sluggish, has unreliable armour and the accuracy of the gun is one of the worst in game. Its inflexible. A far cry from being a ‘broken’ tank.
Sure it can one shot tanks, but thats literally rng. And its tier 6, half your enemies stand infront of your gun whilst showing their side.

dusky oxide Feb 23, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Depends what the definition of broken is; the kv isnt overpowered in anyones hands but that kind of power doesnt play ideally in a tier full of new players. If you ask me, its such an iconic tank you cant get rid of it and if it ruins your experience to get derped by one youre playing the wrong game. Its not like its a 183 youre getting shot by.

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 5:40 PM

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@dusky oxide i know only that even if I have a superior caliber on a premium tank I can't often do the damage I expect my gun to do, the majority of its shots end in doing 470-490 dmg, rarely 560 and 600. And ALWAYS the German 128 guns do a lot more, almost all 530 dmg. I ask only to rectify this, it's a bit unfair, already the American 152 mm does 560 alpha instead of 640 (indeed Soviets use it better), but don't make it more difficult than it should be please

dusky oxide Feb 23, 2019, 5:48 PM

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@unique scaffold ive had the kpz since i got awarded one from the event and I cant agree. Having bigger alpha would mean nerfing RoF and that would make the tank more unreliable and even more team dependent. There is no such thing as rigged rng. The only thing i see the kpz lacking is a bit higher HE dmg as its only 80hp higher than the AP.

drowsy plaza Feb 23, 2019, 6:32 PM

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US 152mm is low velocity 152mm. It’s primary AT system was the Shillelagh Thru Barrel ATGM. The 152mm HEDP was for light armor and bunkers.

formal sequoia Feb 23, 2019, 6:57 PM

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@dim field Man, VK P is too good. And no, I’m not a noob

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Ok, but WG sponsored the tank as the 560 alpha doer. Then do 510, 520,530 ecc, but NOT 470 or around there. It's frustrating, because it resembles a Russian 130 mm

dusky oxide Feb 23, 2019, 7:31 PM

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@unique scaffold So what youre saying is you dont know what. +/-25% rng applied to dmg is

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 7:34 PM

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I know what it is, and I seem to recall I proposed a reduction of it, because it varies too much the gun values, a +/- 15% makes more sense

dusky oxide Feb 23, 2019, 7:37 PM

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@unique scaffold then whats the problem with the kpz?

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 7:39 PM

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I am an average player, but I know some tactics, when I flank some enemy with Kpfpz I expect it to do at least 49x, 500 or some more damage, not 470, and that's disappointing because that's what makes me killed from enemies with 20 or less hp for this precise motivation

quick lichen Feb 23, 2019, 7:40 PM

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I don’t think people expect the jg e100 to roll 600s

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And yet

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Welcome to damage rng man

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unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 7:42 PM

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That's what I mean, a little reduction is in order, in my opinion, because I have a tank who can do greatly, and then you get killed not by skill, but misfortune because you didn't do enough damage by lack of luck

dusky oxide Feb 23, 2019, 7:42 PM

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@unique scaffold do you know what this is?

📎 Screenshot_20190223-214029__01.jpg

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@unique scaffold thats not misfortune, that your inability to to understand that you dont always do full dmg when you shoot.

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 7:43 PM

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I said my bit, it's useless I repeat myself, I just want WG to consider a reduction of RNG influenced damage

dusky oxide Feb 23, 2019, 7:44 PM

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What youre complaining about has nothing to do with the balancing of the kpz.

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 7:45 PM

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The problem I posted had me motivated from Kpfpz misadventures, because it is my favourite tank

teal olive Feb 23, 2019, 7:45 PM

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The jag needs buffed

dusky oxide Feb 23, 2019, 7:46 PM

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@unique scaffold still nothing to do with its balancing.

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Then I am sorry for not being clear before (still I think Kpfpz would be more balanced with camo buff and a little better reload, but that's another story)

quick lichen Feb 23, 2019, 7:48 PM

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A heavy tank needing a camo buff?

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I think we are confusing things here

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Practically anyone can see me even if I am far from any enemy and I am still as a statue

frigid pivot Feb 23, 2019, 7:50 PM

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its a heavy tank not td...

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 7:50 PM

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I don't know what I am doing wrong then, i can use a heavy, I own many of them

soft wasp Feb 23, 2019, 7:50 PM

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You're not doing anything wrong

quick lichen Feb 23, 2019, 7:52 PM

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The wrong part is thinking that you won’t be spotted

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It’s not a small tank

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Heavies also get get the worse camo boost from using camo paints on the tank

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2 or 3%

soft wasp Feb 23, 2019, 7:53 PM

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The kpfpz70 camo rating is ridiculous considering it's small footprint and height. It doesn't belong in tier ix, but rather tier 8

quick lichen Feb 23, 2019, 7:53 PM

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You can change from optics to camo net if you want

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3% camo on the move and 6% when camo net is active

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Although I don’t recommend it

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Kpfpz gets 2% camo from mimetics, any other heavies I've seen 3%

quick lichen Feb 23, 2019, 7:54 PM

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1% is 1-2 meters

dusky oxide Feb 23, 2019, 7:54 PM

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@unique scaffold when youre doing badly in a tank you shouldnt directly come here and complain about it needing a buff, but look for a guide. If you feel a tank needs a buff you should first check #devs-answers and look at the scale of how other players do in it.

quick lichen Feb 23, 2019, 7:54 PM

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I average 5k in my kpz

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Technically

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1 game, 5033 damage and 7.0 spots 😂

unique scaffold Feb 23, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Ok I get it, I am average anyway, not noob

quick lichen Feb 23, 2019, 7:55 PM

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I’m not stat shaming

dusky oxide Feb 23, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Me neither ^
@quick lichen 1 good game and you shelve it...

quick lichen Feb 23, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Of course

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I play it in ratings and tier 10 comp 😶

dusky oxide Feb 23, 2019, 7:59 PM

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I liked to play it even when ratings were t9-10. The enemy t9 player usually didnt own a tier x and it was more relaxing to play a support tank and still get good results.

empty ice Feb 23, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Boo hoo

fiery flame Feb 23, 2019, 11:02 PM

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Pls nerf waffle OP tank
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MRDaqXWHURu3qbDW9hy_xEXXcoo_qNu8/view?usp=drivesdk

Google Drive

IMG_1942.TRIM.MOV

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 1:22 AM

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No more stock tanks

lone warren Feb 24, 2019, 1:24 AM

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No

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 1:26 AM

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Y no fun is a good thing? I get tunneled every battle already being stock makes it even worse ppl chose me over one shots not like that one shot can’t pen them

dim field Feb 24, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Counter offer
For the first x number of battles as a new tank, you cannot fight higher tier.

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 1:30 AM

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And? U have two tiers lower stats I can’t play tanks the right way either my SU101 is slower than Vk100 rn only slow tanks r good stock

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And the tank can’t be played the right way unless it’s a slow tank bc they don’t get much faster

lone warren Feb 24, 2019, 1:34 AM

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And its not like you have to play the tank. You can use free xp. Not to mention so many tanks have module that can be researched doing previous tanks or lines.
For me getting modules is part of the fun. Its much more rewarding earning those top modules and I’d imagine this game would be more boring as in essence, you’re removing content. and i doubt you get tunneled every battle. And if they target a stock tank rather than taking out a gun then they’re just stupid.
I’d have more sympathy for this if wargaming didnt give you the ability to skip/ease the grind.

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 1:44 AM

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It’s part of the fun yes but when ur not in a slow tank the grind is so bad

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Stock lights just as slow as heavys heavys are biased enough in this game sure all can be played right but heavys r so ez I like all tank types also so I don’t say I hate everything

undone latch Feb 24, 2019, 3:25 AM

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Valentine 2 gun is bad. It cannot even pen the side of a tier 3 pls improve it in the next update.

jovial kernel Feb 24, 2019, 3:30 AM

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Nah

crystal spoke Feb 24, 2019, 5:50 AM

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It's not that bad

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 7:06 AM

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I have a quick question; WHy R MEDS 20KM FAstery than my light going 70km Hacks or what

jovial kernel Feb 24, 2019, 7:43 AM

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you're not going 70 is what

lone warren Feb 24, 2019, 10:48 AM

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There isnt a medium that can do around 90km

shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 10:57 AM

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Let alone 70kph, Drac can only do 65

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 10:58 AM

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could we talk about the chinese tds being absolutely terrible?

shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 11:20 AM

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@reef lintel tell me, how are they terrible?

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 11:22 AM

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(I have to say i only played tier 6 and 7 yet) bad accuracy and terrible aiming time, the tier 7 cant turn on the spot, bad gun depression, no armour

shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 11:24 AM

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Tier VII is a less armored SU-122-44, but it fires faster and has more gun depression.
Tier VI is mobile and has great DPM with both the 100mm and the 85mm gun has DPM comparable to the Comet @reef lintel

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They just play differently

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 11:26 AM

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and? that doesnt mean they are good?

shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 11:26 AM

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Doesn’t mean they’re bad

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 11:27 AM

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i am only hitting 75% of my shots so the dpm is irrelevant

iron lynx Feb 24, 2019, 11:27 AM

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Idk about the tier 7, but so far, I find the tier 6 TD good.

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 11:27 AM

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the gun depresiion may be better but still shit

shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 11:28 AM

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So? There are tanks that have worse gun depression stats than them, but they still can perform

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Sounds more of a user issue, not a tank issue

iron lynx Feb 24, 2019, 11:29 AM

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Plays a bit like a SU-100 with the 100mm, but it relocates faster and has less armor.
I like it.

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 11:29 AM

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i am a super unicum i think i know how to play

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dude you have 32% on it

iron lynx Feb 24, 2019, 11:31 AM

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On the other hand, those TDs have been out for like, a week, so maybe not every super unicum knows how to play it.

shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 11:32 AM

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Stat shaming? That’s low

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 11:32 AM

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i mean how can he like it? with that kind of stats?
they are way worse than most of his other tanks

shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 11:34 AM

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Look, he might just got the tank
I can see a huge potential coming from said tank

iron lynx Feb 24, 2019, 11:34 AM

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Well I recently got it to top
Very recently
And its only good when top

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 11:35 AM

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theres got to be a way to play the tank even when low tier

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and i dont see one... if the tier 7 is th e onl y top tier tank its great! of course it is... which tank isnt? but when its low tier or all of the tanks are tier 7 it just loses all of his advantages with the dpm becuase you dont have the pen and accuracy to pen

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and to the stats shaming.. my mistake... i thought he was the one saying it was a player problem

iron lynx Feb 24, 2019, 11:40 AM

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I'd say 181 penetration is quite plenty for a tier 6 tank destroyer.
The SU-100 gets 175 on both top guns.

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 11:41 AM

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that may be the case but iwas talking about the tier 7 one

iron lynx Feb 24, 2019, 11:41 AM

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Oh idk about the tier 7 since I don't have it.

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 11:42 AM

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Me

shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 11:43 AM

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The tier VII Chinese TD has 192mm of pen compared to the 175mm from the 122mm of the SU-152 and the first of the 100mm of the SU-100M1

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 11:44 AM

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and? These tank have terrible penetration

shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 11:44 AM

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You said it doesn’t have the pen.

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 11:46 AM

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if u compare it to other tier 7 tds its not that great

iron lynx Feb 24, 2019, 11:48 AM

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Uhhh
It has 2850 DPM, so I'm sure you can afford to miss/bounce a few shots.
It has more penetration than the SU-122-44 and ISU-122S while being more mobile.

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 11:50 AM

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if you are otimistic you can say that you will hit and pen 50% of your shots. No tmore

iron lynx Feb 24, 2019, 11:51 AM

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And exactly the same accuracy as both.
If both of those Soviets could snipe, you should be able to.

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 11:51 AM

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i dont like those tank either

iron lynx Feb 24, 2019, 11:54 AM

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My point is, the T-34-2G FT is a less armored SU-122-44 with more mobility.
Sure, it might not be as good as some tier 7 TDs out there, but it is certainly not terrible.

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 11:58 AM

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i Think it is bad because it has less dpm ( and even though its certainly good you can only use itto its full capacity when you are top tier, worse accurady and aim time( i dont know the stats but they dont matter anyways) has no armour whatsoever (even less than the russian tanks), it has bad gun depression, IT CANT FKING TURN ON THE SPOT FOR SOME REASON and every shot that hits the tank damages a module ( I got ammo rekt 5 times in 40 battles and in the recent battle one a t23e3 hit my commander 3 times in a row)

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you cant expect to hit and pen more than 40-50% of your shots and thats jsut way to bad. Whether you hit the shot or not is like rolling a dice and if u get a 1-5 you ont pen ifyou get a 6 you actually do damage

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I think that you need to play it yourself to judge and realise how bad it actually is

shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 12:06 PM

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@reef lintel dude, the T-34-2G FT has the best traverse, outside the E 25

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:06 PM

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and what about all the other thing i listed?

iron lynx Feb 24, 2019, 12:06 PM

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It's penetration isn't that low, more like average, if you count in premium TDs too.

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shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 12:07 PM

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^^^
See above.

iron lynx Feb 24, 2019, 12:07 PM

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And according to blitzhangar, it has a traverse speed of 51 deg/secs.
Only 5 degrees less than the LTTB, and 3 degrees more than the WZ-120-FT.
I'd say it could turn on the spot, and is pretty immune to flanking.

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:09 PM

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ok i will go from on point to another and you will tell me why iut doesnt matter: 1. what about the fact it cant turn ono the spot?

shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 12:10 PM

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If you factor the 1.1 terrain resistances, it’s still gonna traverse at around 46°s which is a lot imo.You still need to be wary of fast vehicles, as they still can out circle most tier VII TDs

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:10 PM

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you are always going a bit forward or backwards if you are turniing

shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 12:11 PM

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That’s a Soviet tank/Chinese tank issue. They don’t have pivot turning invented.

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:11 PM

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its the same as on the t342 but there you have a turret to make up for it and you are still getting cod

shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 12:12 PM

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Like I said, it’s unique to certain tanks.

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:12 PM

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ok... but yo agree that its bad right?

shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 12:13 PM

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Not necessarily, never had a problem with one track steering tanks

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:14 PM

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well you haven played the tank yet... so of course you didnt have he propblem but it is one

iron lynx Feb 24, 2019, 12:14 PM

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I'd say it would give a slight advantage when you reverse-turn into cover.
Just slightly.

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:15 PM

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thats jsut wrong... there is no discussion abóut that! it donest help in any way

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play it yourself and we will talk again... this has no sense! i can tell you how bad the gun is and oyu will come with some soft stats from blitzstars... in my opinion thats a stupid discussion

shy wren Feb 24, 2019, 12:18 PM

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If you’re so frustrated whether a tank can or cannot pivot turn, explain why is that the case?

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:19 PM

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I am manly frustrated with the fact that the gun is fking terrible. Its a fking peace of shit

iron lynx Feb 24, 2019, 12:19 PM

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You mean you prefer on-the-field opinions rather than documented statistics.
Weird flex but okay.

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:20 PM

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of course i do... you cant judge on a tank if you havent played it

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The last message: i now played through it and these are my stats: 50 battle, 58%, 1373dpg, and 75% hit rate (the winrate would be way worse if i hadnt played most of the battles in a toon)... these are the worst tier7 stats I had in years ( it goes into the same categorie as tank i played with 53%)

iron lynx Feb 24, 2019, 12:27 PM

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Well okay, if you think the T-34-2G FT is bad, fine then.
Personally, I think that tank is really good, and I really look forward to getting it.

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Fun fact, the T-34-2G FT has insane camo, comparable to the E-25.

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:32 PM

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I wish you the best of luck... because you certainly wont need skill

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 12:42 PM

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Even the worst tanks can be maneuverable with equipment use. Place on the T-34-2G Ft something like the vertical stabilizer and better controls, and use also provisions. You won't need this tank to make credits, if you have at least one premium tank

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:43 PM

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I am using provisions on all of my tanks always

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Which ones

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:44 PM

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Improved combat rations, Standard combatr rations and improved fuel

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 12:44 PM

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Post a screenshot if you can

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:45 PM

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I dont havew the tank anymore so I cant send a screen but ahts what i always use

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and I had the complete second row of equipment unlocked I wont invest more than that i a tier 7 tank

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 12:46 PM

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Ok, look, that's what I use in SU-122-44, which is comparable

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:46 PM

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you played the tier7 td yet?

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 12:48 PM

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Of the Chinese line I have the Tier 6, and I can't wait to get the 7

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Look here for equipments, that's the standard I use on every maneuverable TDs like the SU or Jpz lines

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reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:52 PM

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Its a tank that requires no skill because its all about the gun... you can be rly lucky and you will think its a good tank ither wise its a bad tank

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 12:55 PM

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I can safely dissent from this, that type of tanks yes, it's based on the tactics of using properly the gun, but without a plan and knowledge of using the sloping it's useless. It's a TD, but you don't have to rush or camp, you have to let others spot and help then from little distance, follow closely the team

reef lintel Feb 24, 2019, 12:55 PM

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and i rly think you should take equipemtn to improve your aim time. Bu ti f you dont aim anyways it will be the perfect tank for you

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 12:56 PM

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I use the gun calibration because aim time in such tanks it's useless, always too much slow. The gun calibration lets you shoot successfully even when you just rotated the vehicle and prepare to escape again. And this SU has low shell velocity, that's the reason for supercharge.

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It's all about effectiveness

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Irony is not lost to me, improve your tanks and manners, I only wanted to help you

dusky oxide Feb 24, 2019, 1:08 PM

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@unique scaffold No, thats what a vertical stabilizer does. It decreases your dispersion on the move so when you stop your aiming cricle is already smaller. Refined gun has the most impact when youre already aimed completely in.

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 1:47 PM

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I obtain better results with refined gun, I turn the vehicle, aim circle is big, but when I immediately shoot, the shot lands successfully. Tried the vertical stabilizer and I found more difficult to land a shot, too much dispersion and misses

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I also use the same equipment configuration on almost all my TDs, with good results

dusky oxide Feb 24, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Youre telling us you use a refined gun and shoot with full bloom... I think we have a different understanding of 'good results'.

drowsy latch Feb 24, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Hi what are we discusibg?

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 2:42 PM

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Is it just me or does the 34-1 seem a smidge OP?

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Just u

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Fair enough.

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@dusky oxide this configuration never created problems to me, so it's fine, everyone can equip as they see fit to do. I am good with that and that's enough because to me, it just works and never lets me down.

frozen relic Feb 24, 2019, 3:58 PM

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balance rhm!!

distant river Feb 24, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Why?

dusky oxide Feb 24, 2019, 4:00 PM

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@unique scaffold you use however you want, im using mine to gain an advantage.

coarse harness Feb 24, 2019, 4:07 PM

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@unique scaffold not just you, that tank is fantastic

unique scaffold Feb 24, 2019, 5:45 PM

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@dusky oxide so am i

twilit crystal Feb 24, 2019, 6:38 PM

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if u play with the 85 mm jg pz iv is better. 400 more dpm same pen better alpha and better rof.

dim field Feb 24, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Because the problem it not the mm

lone warren Feb 24, 2019, 8:17 PM

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@elder estuary Look at pinned messages. This isn’t the place to complain about mm

twilit crystal Feb 24, 2019, 9:02 PM

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110 was op had better dpm than any medium tank with a great armor profile and ok mobility

twilit crystal Feb 24, 2019, 10:24 PM

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is3d still doesnt have good dpm or gun handling while the liberte has meh gun handling with paper sides

deft owl Feb 25, 2019, 12:33 AM

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@unique scaffold You see t-34-1 as op but dracula as balanced? So no its just "you".

spark pecan Feb 25, 2019, 12:33 AM

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I have a generic vehicle balance question. Is this the place to ask it?

lone warren Feb 25, 2019, 12:35 AM

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@spark pecan shoot

deft owl Feb 25, 2019, 12:37 AM

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@spark pecan This section is named as #tank-balance-discussion so you should only ask about matchmaking. Its probhibited to talk about balance here.

spark pecan Feb 25, 2019, 12:37 AM

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Ok. Do the devs ever balance vehicles by moving them up or down a tier?

slim rivet Feb 25, 2019, 12:40 AM

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They did

twilit crystal Feb 25, 2019, 12:40 AM

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yeah they moved them in 5.5 but other than that no

spark pecan Feb 25, 2019, 12:40 AM

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Ok, so there is a precedent?

deft owl Feb 25, 2019, 12:41 AM

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In blitz only done at 5.5. At wot pc its done several times. So yeah its possible.

spark pecan Feb 25, 2019, 12:41 AM

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Ok, thank you.

deft owl Feb 25, 2019, 12:42 AM

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@spark pecan Do you want a tank to move to another tier?

spark pecan Feb 25, 2019, 12:43 AM

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😃

slim rivet Feb 25, 2019, 12:43 AM

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183 and other can*er tanks should be moved to tier 11 😂

red condor Feb 25, 2019, 12:50 AM

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183, new Vk, Maus and a m1 Abrams should be tier 11

unique scaffold Feb 25, 2019, 1:06 AM

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T11 I have a whole list of tanks

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If WG wants to make a t11 pm me lol

small flame Feb 25, 2019, 1:12 AM

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@red condor why should the new vk be moved to tier 11? its not good at tier x

twilit crystal Feb 25, 2019, 1:47 AM

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lol I love the hate for the new vk with people saying is garbage like Bushka. IT probably does a n eed a turret armor buff but the absurdity in his video where he refuses to do anything but sidescrape when the tank isn't made for sidescraping

jovial kernel Feb 25, 2019, 1:49 AM

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well it can't really do much else

fiery flame Feb 25, 2019, 2:00 AM

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The VK is definitely a really good tank, but its inability to sidescrape and it being a rear turreted tank just feels like a lot of potential was waste. It took me some time to adjust to play well in it however I still prefer maus or e100

twilit crystal Feb 25, 2019, 2:58 AM

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yeah but bushkas video is so stupid

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he refuses do anything but sidescrape

small flame Feb 25, 2019, 3:07 AM

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well bushka is not the gold standard for tanking. hes right, it isnt good, but his example is trash

quick lichen Feb 25, 2019, 3:26 AM

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I think the vk is a bad heavy tank. Remember that it’s supposed to be a super heavy but has an absurd amount of weak points

jovial kernel Feb 25, 2019, 3:39 AM

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would recommend not using retard (amaunet would probably warn you for it) but yeah agreed

umbral hound Feb 25, 2019, 3:43 AM

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The VK 72.01k? I think that Sk8xtrm guy just did a video on that tank. He made it look pretty strong.

rare wing Feb 25, 2019, 3:48 AM

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i cutally agree with bushka there. the armor is so sht i can pen it from the front

small flame Feb 25, 2019, 3:48 AM

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well @umbral hound thats the thing with the vk 72. in the hands of a competent player, it looks op and invincible against bad or mediocre players. but for anyone whos at least mildly good, the thing is a joke

indigo knot Feb 25, 2019, 3:50 AM

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As long as you are firing standard rounds on the tank it is amazing.....the moment you switch to premium rounds it is bad tank

small flame Feb 25, 2019, 3:52 AM

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almost like wargaming makes tanks that way to get more moeny

quick lichen Feb 25, 2019, 4:03 AM

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The vk is a failed super heavy

small flame Feb 25, 2019, 4:03 AM

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were aware

small flame Feb 25, 2019, 4:25 AM

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lets be real here though, theres no hope of it getting buffed

modest lotus Feb 25, 2019, 7:41 AM

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Give it time. If it doesn’t get a lot of use or gets a low avg wr they might buff it

grave bear Feb 25, 2019, 8:34 AM

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vk72 has that horrible sides which makes it penetrable even from frontal armor.... e100 is just 1k times better

deft owl Feb 25, 2019, 9:04 AM

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@grave bear No. Vk 72 has gold proof upper plate and turret armor. If you can manage to face hug with that thing there is nothing much they can do.

grave bear Feb 25, 2019, 9:14 AM

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LMAO the upper.plate isnt gold proof. also it's full of weakspots lmao, in face hug it can be penned in engine deck, turret checks are a super ez hit and also turret ring

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the turret is horrible, ir you turn the turret of 4 degrees from your shooter you'll be ez rekted by any ap. E100 is the only tier X with gold proof upper plate.
even maus cant angle the upper plate against 400mm heat, it will be penned in the upper plate or in the side armor. while e100 can bounce that with upper plate with a minimal angling

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for heat shells vk72's turrer is autopen excluding gun mantlet, the tank is just not worth the impossibility to sidescrape and the worst tier X dpm. e100.is Better

iron hearth Feb 25, 2019, 9:38 AM

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Probably it will get a buff soon i hope in my opion they should change the turret which is really weak or making it a real sidescraper

deft owl Feb 25, 2019, 10:12 AM

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@grave bear Turret cheeks ez pen? Lol. Engine deck? its 80mm and nothing can overmatch it. Upper plate effective armor is nearly 400 mm efective. Please be realistic. E100 has trash turret face and lower plate.

Vk 72 only disadvantage is its side armor and bad dpm.

Even if you look to winrate charts vk 72 beats everything except maus and overbuffed is-4. I cant see how you see e100 is better then vk72.

coarse harness Feb 25, 2019, 10:56 AM

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If you look at the charts the 72 is nowhere near to the other new german heavys

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lunar niche Feb 25, 2019, 10:58 AM

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VK 100 and Mauschen plays like Maus though. Better armour all around unlike VK72. I don't think they are a good comparision.

coarse harness Feb 25, 2019, 11:03 AM

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I mean almost always the newest and the most OP tanks has the highest WR on the charts

lunar niche Feb 25, 2019, 11:09 AM

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I would say, tier 8 and 9 didn't have superheavies like VK100 and Mauschen before while tier X had Maus, E100 and IS 4.

Besides, 3rd best WR and tied highest dmg seems quite good for a new tank. Only tanks beating it were Maus and IS 4 and it was only in WR.

slim rivet Feb 25, 2019, 11:43 AM

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VK is OK IMO, however it’s far from begging a super heavy like e100 it maus

deft owl Feb 25, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Vk is super heavy but its armor is focused only front. Its armor all around is not good. However I clearly disagree about e100 being better then vk since they are completely different tanks.

indigo knot Feb 25, 2019, 1:41 PM

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I think Vk is good at upfront I mean very close upfront and at long ranges but at med ranges it such as weak spots are easy to aim and this tank can't bounce premium rounds mostly

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Tier for tier turret is like Lowe but worse as the accuracy and pen of tanks at this tier is amazing and many use gold rounds

quartz crown Feb 25, 2019, 1:57 PM

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VK is very balanced and honestly requires a different skill set to playing it compared to Maus or E-100. And Maus is just broken anyways so it’s not a fair comparison. Low playerbase with VK (as it is a new tank) explains the lack of battles and the reason why it isn’t visible to us in wg stats

deft owl Feb 25, 2019, 2:05 PM

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@unique scaffold We are talking about vk 72 not 100.

@quartz crown Maus isnt broken. Is-4 is.

twilit crystal Feb 25, 2019, 2:15 PM

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i mean i dont think its a great tank from what I see but trying to absurdly sidescrape in it without trying something different is dumb. I agree the turret armor needs a buff

unique scaffold Feb 25, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Did I just read that Maus was broken ?!

twilit crystal Feb 25, 2019, 2:54 PM

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VK 100P is absolutely the best counter to IS spam. After a while I realized it isn't that OP but it absolutely rekts IS tanks becuase of their bad gun handling struggling to aim for weakpoints+ the vks height auto pens IS tanks even if it only has 220 pen. This makes it op in tier 8 because half the tanks are now IS based.

unique scaffold Feb 25, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Hopefully the VK will cut back on the number of IS type tanks being played. That is a win as far as I'm concerned. The fact that players keep playing thet type of tank that the VK excels at beating up doesn't mean it is OP, it just means that some players are dumb for not adapting.

open hedge Feb 25, 2019, 3:45 PM

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IS4’s armour is way too strong.

quick lichen Feb 25, 2019, 3:59 PM

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@twilit crystal preach

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Although I was the first person to say that the Vk wasn’t that broken

grave bear Feb 25, 2019, 4:06 PM

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@deft owl learn to use an armor inspector, it has 80mm only for 1/2 of the engine deck, then it's 40mm.

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and really, it has bad armor because the tank will be penetrated ALWAYS in the same points = easier to aim
30km/h tank that can only bounce some AP with front armor, meh.
(speaking abt vk72)

quick lichen Feb 25, 2019, 4:08 PM

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Remember too that tanks are statically strong on launch because top players free xp the lines. Most people didnt stock grind the Vk 100

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I certainly didn’t

grave bear Feb 25, 2019, 4:15 PM

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i did. 75% crew, ok accuracy, Vk45a's top gun but with 16.5 reload time.

twilit crystal Feb 25, 2019, 4:51 PM

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yeah its probably a bit overtouched on traverse/gun handling but other than that I think it has a decent role by now to actually counter IS tanks. I think it could probably lose 2 degrees of tracking traverse and nerf the gun handling to a more reasonable amount for a 128 mm at tier 8

atomic hound Feb 25, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Hatch needs a small nerf too, imho

twilit crystal Feb 25, 2019, 6:22 PM

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nah the hatch is fine. It should be a iffy pen from the front.

indigo knot Feb 25, 2019, 6:23 PM

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Nah I think only traverse nerf is enough ......If hatch is nerfed then its gonna become bad tank like Kv4

tulip forum Feb 25, 2019, 6:52 PM

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the t10 vk is weak asf

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the t8 is so op tho

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first t8 tank to break 2k average dmg for me

distant river Feb 25, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Its not op, people just cant counter it/aim

tulip forum Feb 25, 2019, 6:55 PM

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yeah, personally i know how to angle tanks but some ppl assume that they can just roll forwards and not take dmg

distant river Feb 25, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Its a good tank, but its not as op as everyone says

tulip forum Feb 25, 2019, 6:58 PM

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i have a double ace vid on it feel free to check it out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKuxy6_hThI

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the LFP is pretty hard 2 pen if u wiggle alot

teal olive Feb 25, 2019, 7:04 PM

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I think it’s overpowered, but it’s not game-breaking like the WZ-120-FT. It’s overpowered like the Chrysler or Mod1, but there are plenty other OP tanks at tier eight.

jovial kernel Feb 25, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Mod 1 OP nice joke

indigo knot Feb 25, 2019, 7:52 PM

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Mod 1 is still Op ......all the the low pen meds bounce it all day
...and it can angle well....the only issue is gun .....the armour is Op but its heavy meta rather IS meta at tier 8 do no one cares now

teal olive Feb 25, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Lmao it has better frontal armor than all of the ISs at tier eight and is quicker and has a big alpha gun

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It’s just because you’re bad at the game @jovial kernel haha see what I did there

unique scaffold Feb 25, 2019, 8:03 PM

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add SPG

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allot of people disagree but I'm hoping they will make the map bigger if we add em to the game. plus SPGS are trolls lmao

quick lichen Feb 25, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Mod 1 isn’t really over powered anymore

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It’s very strong

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But not op

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Stats in #devs-answers confirm this

rain ivy Feb 25, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Is the IS3D still relevant or is it dead?

unique scaffold Feb 25, 2019, 8:04 PM

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how have you passed slowmode

wraith lance Feb 25, 2019, 8:04 PM

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He is a moderator

quick lichen Feb 25, 2019, 8:05 PM

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^^^

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Is-3D is a top 3 is tank

unique scaffold Feb 25, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Lol nvm

quick lichen Feb 25, 2019, 8:05 PM

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112-2, is5 is-3D are my top 3

unique scaffold Feb 25, 2019, 8:06 PM

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Skorpion G, Wz 120 ft and IS3 Defender

quick lichen Feb 25, 2019, 8:07 PM

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I said is tanks only

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The top 3 tier 8 tanks are very different from what I said

rain ivy Feb 25, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Does that mean it's worth getting if youre going to spend and get the t28 defender anyway?

quick lichen Feb 25, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Hmm

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The is-3D is way quicker

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Arguably more troll armor

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Less dpm

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They’re both good

rain ivy Feb 25, 2019, 8:08 PM

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I'm a sucker for American tanks

quick lichen Feb 25, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Best American tank is the t30

rain ivy Feb 25, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Tell that to the guy with 45k battles in the T95, he's my hero 😂

unique scaffold Feb 25, 2019, 8:15 PM

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@quick lichen best American tank is the T49...

Ot at least the most fun.

quick lichen Feb 25, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Most fun for sure

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@rain ivy no comment

rain ivy Feb 25, 2019, 8:17 PM

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Oh well, back to practice on my Chrystler

tulip forum Feb 25, 2019, 8:46 PM

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hmm what are your thoughts on the mauchen

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i barely see ppl talk about it

unique scaffold Feb 25, 2019, 9:42 PM

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because it km da sucks

small flame Feb 25, 2019, 11:25 PM

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but how about the isu 130

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in all seriousness, i dlike to hear some oppinions on the isu 130 from the better players

ebon compass Feb 26, 2019, 12:14 AM

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I’d rather play an isu 152 than an isu 130

twilit crystal Feb 26, 2019, 12:19 AM

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130 prob needs a pen buff. 230 pen is not enough for a tier 8 td with no higher pen option. Give it 250 for standard and maybe 205 for gold

drowsy plaza Feb 26, 2019, 12:31 AM

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ISU 130 is awful.

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The glorious 2 games I have in it (second game was the ace) was more than enough for me to want to vomit

twilit crystal Feb 26, 2019, 12:34 AM

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whats the main problem? Is it just the ISU in general has a meh chassis and the 130's gun really isn't worth it? Tbh it probably needs like su 152 DPM levels

drowsy plaza Feb 26, 2019, 12:36 AM

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It’s slow and terrible armor, the fantastic DPM doesn’t help it from bounce miss bounce.

twilit crystal Feb 26, 2019, 12:37 AM

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do you think a pen buff(on second thought it needs more) to like 260 and 225 would work?

drowsy plaza Feb 26, 2019, 12:37 AM

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Honestly pen won’t help it as much as either armor or dispersion.

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It’s effectively paper - with a Russian gun. So sniping it misses way too much and the lack or armor gets it vaporized as soon as it’s spotted when it moves up.

twilit crystal Feb 26, 2019, 12:39 AM

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is the dispersion that bad? it has both a better gun and gun handling than the jpanther 2? Aim time is .1 worse

drowsy plaza Feb 26, 2019, 12:40 AM

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Honestly I only played two games. But I tooned with AbnBearCat for around 40 in his. In theory it has the same armor as the ISU 152 but it doesn’t seem that way.

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Admittedly I’m not a turretless TD player. So I play those while gritting my teeth.

deft owl Feb 26, 2019, 12:54 AM

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@grave bear Give me one example when you hit that part. Good luck.

jade charm Feb 26, 2019, 12:55 AM

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Isu is ok on my opion. Never played it but its gun has 2 diffrent ap shells wich i would find very useful

deft owl Feb 26, 2019, 1:10 AM

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@twilit crystal I disagree with crusader about Isu-130 being completely trash. More likely Isu-130 is extremely situtational. In a tier 9 match you will strugle to pen and in a tier 8 match with full of lightly armored tanks you can deal huge amount of damage with gold ap. However I think it still needs some reload speed buff.

twilit crystal Feb 26, 2019, 1:11 AM

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ons econd thought the reload seems fine. with the gold AP it has 3.6k dpm.

deft owl Feb 26, 2019, 1:12 AM

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With standart ap it has worse dpm then Isu-152. Not to mention Isu-130 also have worse pen and alpha damage.

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It deserves some dpm buff imho.

twilit crystal Feb 26, 2019, 1:15 AM

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but you should see it as with the gold ammo as standard and standard as the premium

deft owl Feb 26, 2019, 1:17 AM

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And you should also see that gold ap only has 195 pen.

uncut bane Feb 26, 2019, 1:20 AM

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I have the T29 researched but the previous two tanks are not, because of the tech tree changes. do you know when/if am I going to get them?

deft owl Feb 26, 2019, 1:20 AM

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@uncut bane You will never going to get them unless you research them. Wg explained that before.

uncut bane Feb 26, 2019, 1:21 AM

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but they also game out free tanks for other instances of this problem, so I thought they would with this too.

dim field Feb 26, 2019, 1:40 AM

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There were only certain tanks given for free if you had the higher ones. I don't recall T29 amoung them.

drowsy plaza Feb 26, 2019, 2:25 AM

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They only gave missing one for orphaned lines.

woeful trout Feb 26, 2019, 2:49 AM

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XD

grave bear Feb 26, 2019, 3:14 AM

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@deft owl emhh, anytime when you facehug vk72 maybe? as you said, we were talking about face hug situation.

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 4:25 AM

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new WZ is op. plus nerf

smoky yoke Feb 26, 2019, 4:34 AM

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Which one?

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Anyway if we are discussing balence here can ssomeone tell me why the T28 HTC has not received a buff?

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T29 is heavy tank and it has better reload and better pen, I thought TDs suppose to be the one with the good gun.

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It has horrible traverse speed of 22° per second (with crew provisions and equipment)

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And you would think the armor is good, but its riddled with multiple weak spots that a tier 5 could pen. If there is any tank in this game at any tier that needs a buff, it is T28 HTC no question. Maybe has nothing to do with overall game balence but the tank itself is so obviously in need of it.

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Anyway my rant is over. 😶

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(Prob wont stop complaining till it gets a buff tho, and same for Chinese IS2)

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 6:48 AM

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T28 HTC is fine IMHO. Sure it traverses slowly, but it is almost prammo proof when angled. Plus its weakspots are easy to hide with 60 degrees of gun arc. It is just like a Maus it is not really a TD.

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I got these stats in it not so bad

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But I wonder when WG will buff SP 1 C which got overnerfed

small flame Feb 26, 2019, 7:05 AM

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Wait what is your problem with the Chinese is2

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:29 AM

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@quick violet using max gun arc and depression, hinding behind a wall. You’ll need like 250+ pen to go through the armor

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Wait I forgot the pic here it is

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quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 7:32 AM

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Listen the chance you'll find a corner in every map that is a perfect right angle like that is very slim and actually very few corners like that exist in any map

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If you get pushed a heavy tank can flank you

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@unique scaffold and I have Maus and T28 HTC so I will tell you right now that they are NOTHING alike in any way

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:35 AM

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Actually there’s plenty of such corners. And all is about teamwork : if you have some teammates with you, no one is going to push

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 7:36 AM

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The gun still sucks and the maneuverability is still super bad

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:36 AM

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Maus have crap gun and bad mobility
But it’s one of the best tier 10 heavies

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 7:37 AM

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Army only usable in VERY specific situation like you said, just confirm it's bad tank.

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@unique scaffold Maus is great. The T28 HTC is not

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:38 AM

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You’re talking like every map is just flat ground
But there’s plenty of hills and buildings you can use
So no, it isn’t « very specific situation »

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 7:39 AM

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4° gun depression hills suck for it

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:39 AM

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5º. And get to the side of the hill

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 7:40 AM

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4°

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:41 AM

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4º true. But still you can get to the side of a hill and hide the weakspots

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 7:41 AM

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Compare the T29 with the T28 HTC

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:41 AM

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Well T29 has better gun, a turret, but no hull armor, can’t sidescrape

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 7:41 AM

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T29 has better pen better speed better armor better reload better DPM, then T28 HTC

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:42 AM

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What better armor, it must be hulldown

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 7:42 AM

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T28 HTC cannot side scrape either dude. The side armor has a giant weak spot a tier 5 can pen

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:43 AM

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But it can just angle at hide the weakspots thanks to hills and buildings

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 7:43 AM

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175 pen will go through all those spots and those ones on both sides are huge

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:46 AM

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You can easily hide the ones on the side. You’ll need 238mm pen to go through the upper plate (unangled) and 244mm for the tiny bar. The cupolas are tiny too and can’t be reliably hit.

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smoky yoke Feb 26, 2019, 7:48 AM

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Problem with buffing premiums is if you buff them , you can't unbuff them , so I doubt wargaming going to do anything

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 7:48 AM

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If you try to sidecrape here's all the weak spots

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unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:49 AM

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Now just get behind a wall and you hide that

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 7:49 AM

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Also inside of gun is weak

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And it's not just the hatches, it's the whole top of tank very weak on whole top

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All I'm saying is it needs a buff because it compares so poorly in 90% of its attributes with other tanks, almost all tier 7s are simply better tanks statistically and perfomance wize

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:53 AM

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Unpenetrable unless by Jageroo or Objekt 268 with HEAT and CS

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quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 7:54 AM

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Umm inside gun area

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:54 AM

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That’s spaced armor, and the sides of the « turret » are tiny too, not reliable weakspot

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 7:55 AM

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Right next to gun in the purple area is a weak spot can be penned by a tier 5

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For real I'm not kidding I've tested in training rooms

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:56 AM

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Training rooms aren’t like real battles, who would get that close, and the weakspot is really really tiny
You must have bad luck or something

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 7:57 AM

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Yeah but who would sit at a corner of a house (that some maps dont have) and wait to be flanked by a light tank?

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:58 AM

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1 hills and rocks work too and honestly there’s plenty of maps it can do things some other tanks can’t do just don’t sit in front of big guns

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Cant run away

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Who would run away in a 70 tons tank

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:00 AM

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@unique scaffold I know how to play the game and im the one who actually owns the tank, trust me when I tell you it's bad. Even in an ideal situation the gun is worse then most heavy tanks and the tank itself is easily destroyed.

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:01 AM

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I own it and it is very good

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quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:01 AM

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You cant hide your weak spots as easily as you want to believe

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:02 AM

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I played 635 battles in it
I know that I can hide my weakspots with 60 degrees of gun arc

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:02 AM

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unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:02 AM

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How can you have such stats and not like it

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:03 AM

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1200 is cr appy damage compare to my other tier 7 TDs

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:03 AM

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That’s because it is not a TD it is a super heavy

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:04 AM

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It's a really bad super heavy then ...

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:05 AM

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How
You have 68% WR in it this is far from bad

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:05 AM

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It's the lowest average damage of ALL my tier 7s...

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:05 AM

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Because it is meant to soak up damage and not to deal it

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:07 AM

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It doesn't do either of those well in any way whatsoever

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:08 AM

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Sure if you just sit in front of the enemy without angling or hiding the weakspots
But I wouldn’t call a T34 bad because it has no hull armor since it can go hulldown

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:08 AM

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I mean I will 1v1 T28 HTC with a tier 6 and win against you right now. Just to prove how bad it really is

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:08 AM

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Are random battles 1 vs 1?

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This game is a team game and a team dependent tank won’t do good in an 1 vs 1.

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:09 AM

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No but that shouldn't make a difference if I use a slow tank too

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:10 AM

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A tank can be slow but have good DPM, look at Tiger P or Black Prince

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:11 AM

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T28 HTC has worse DPM then IS, T29, M6A2E1, and tiger P

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:13 AM

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IS has no armor. T29 is hulldown or dead. Tiger P has cupola and lower plate that it can barely hide. M6A2E1 has bad side armor, meh traverse and is big, plus weakpoints on the sides of the turret

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:13 AM

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10.1 reload on T28 HTC for 310 damage and 181 pen, M6A2E1 has 9.9 for 310 damage and 198 pen, and the T29 has 9.0 for 310 damage and 198 mm pen.

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:14 AM

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But they can’t bounce as much as HTC can

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:14 AM

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M6A2E1 has way better armor then HTC

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:15 AM

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Its armor is almost flat, and it can’t angle like the T28 does

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:16 AM

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T28 armor is flat and M6A2E1 doesn't need to angle to have good armor

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It is not riddled with weak spots like the HTC

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:17 AM

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Well 191 mm, any prammo will go through

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quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:18 AM

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If you caught in open your dead in T28 HTC cuz no matter what you do a weak point is showing

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:18 AM

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Why would you go in the open

small flame Feb 26, 2019, 8:19 AM

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Maybe if you stop thinking about it as a tank destroyer and start treating like a super heavy, which is what it is @quick violet

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:19 AM

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To move somewhere you need to go into open sometimes, cant just camp next to a house whole game

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:19 AM

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Then do it when you cleared the place from any form of life

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:20 AM

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@small flame dude it's not a super heavy when a tier 5 can pen your front

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:21 AM

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It can if you’re not moving and 5 meters away, which is not very likely to happen

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Maus is a super heavy yet have a 80mm weakspot that could be penned by a tier 8, you just need to hide it. Its turret cheeks also require to be angled

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:22 AM

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Naa I could show you right now I can pen that from 200meters away you could 3ven wiggle

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:22 AM

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That’d be pure luck, honestly

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:23 AM

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No cuz it's a huge weak spot, maus is small weak spot

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:23 AM

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It’s literally a tiny plate behind spaced armor, how is that huge?

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:24 AM

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Those GIANT side tumors are what I'm talking about they are weak and huge

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:24 AM

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But you can easily hide those

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:25 AM

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Not if a light tank or medium spots you first you will always be spotted first and meds can suprise you from any angle

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:25 AM

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Not if you’re in the right places
Whatever I have class so I must leave

quick violet Feb 26, 2019, 8:26 AM

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If you like it so much why you not want it buffed like me anyway?

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Consider buff of T28 HTC wargaming... consider it hard

hexed horizon Feb 26, 2019, 9:49 AM

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I hope T28 HTC have some buff over HP or traverse speed ...
The tank is great when all enemy are at front ... only one tank (event with 1hp ) behind T28 HTC ...@#$@#... and HTC is gone!!!

iron lynx Feb 26, 2019, 9:55 AM

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I don't think T28 HTC is great even when everyone is up at front.
Could be just me, but the protrusions at the side of its superstructure is extremely pennable.

ivory fractal Feb 26, 2019, 9:56 AM

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It’s awful I’m glad I got for real cheap

deft owl Feb 26, 2019, 10:29 AM

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@grave bear Vk 72 is very tall tank there is no way you can hit that part. Only maus can.

drowsy plaza Feb 26, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Or any tank above it.

iron lynx Feb 26, 2019, 2:17 PM

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When you are supposed to tank shells in the T28 HTC, but even a LTTB could pen thru your weakspots from the front…

wraith lance Feb 26, 2019, 3:34 PM

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Ofc it can because even you said that these are weakspots

lone warren Feb 26, 2019, 3:46 PM

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its a perk of using the invincible camo and i have no idea how that belongs here

shy wren Feb 26, 2019, 4:09 PM

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Read the pinned messages, this kind of MM stuff doesn’t belong here in #tank-balance-discussion @regal abyss

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 4:38 PM

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You know I hate to say it but wargaming ruined the 183 I had an average on 30d of around 3500 average damage thought I would play it for some fun today and have an average of 1.8k damage the camo is so terrible i can’t even get in a good spot without being spotted and killed and now that the gun sucks in dispersion I can’t hit my shots with HESH so its going great

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Good

cunning kindle Feb 26, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Not to be rude or anything but what was ur spot rate and winrate when u had 3.5 k avg dmg?

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Idk

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Around 65% and spot was 1.7

lone warren Feb 26, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Its a massive caliber gun. It shouldnt have had amazing dispersion as it did before, thats literally the reason it could pump out so much damage - its accuracy wasnt bad. And the accuracy didnt get affected that much. Its just the camo that was a significant change

crimson barn Feb 26, 2019, 5:22 PM

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I destroyed 2 tanks in battle, why did not pass them, I emphasize that I was alone ? 😡 😠 🤔

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this game is getting more and more interesting

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😂

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Yeah it’s just that the camo is so bad you can’t snipe with it and the dispersion makes it worse to snipe with so the issues with camping is that you can’t hit your shots and if you push in closer to get rid of the dispersion issue you get spotted targeted and killed

crimson barn Feb 26, 2019, 5:37 PM

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I did not camp 😠

abstract slate Feb 26, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Guys, i was wondering, am i the only one who thinks the T28 defender is less powerful than the tech tree T28 prot? Just wondering

dense hedge Feb 26, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Uhhmm guys i have a account in my wotb last 2 years and i saved it in my account then i deleted wotb then re install it 2 months but when i link it again in my account it just like deleted my account. So i create a new account its sad because i have a lot of tanks their but now my wotb is now much stronger

abstract slate Feb 26, 2019, 5:51 PM

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@dense hedge you should ask wg support to help you with that, if you want your old account back

lone warren Feb 26, 2019, 5:53 PM

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@abstract slate I disagree personally. I find that the defender is harder to kill and the autoloader has more of a fear factor.
And yes contact supoort @dense hedge about that here; https://eu.wargaming.net/support/en/

Wargaming (WG) Player Support

If you have any questions or are experiencing issues with any of our games, welcome to Player Support!

abstract slate Feb 26, 2019, 5:57 PM

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@lone warren i recently got over the t28 prot and that had an 8.0 sec reload or something, and it actually has better pen. All the rooftop does is give 2 cupola weakspots, since arty wont shoot that in anyways.(it does look a lot cooler tho)

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Turret front 12mm thicker, the side armor is actually helpful. But thats very little for 17k gold, doesnt even get the equipment slots unlocked.

lone warren Feb 26, 2019, 6:01 PM

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I havent played either versions from the prototype so don’t take what I say too seriously but in general i’m finding it easier to kill a prot. The prot does have a good gun but thats pretty much it isnt it? The defender is more mobile and armoured even with the 2 cupolas and it gets more health right?
Im not entirely sure, but it seems the defender can act more as a heavy whilst the prot is kind of awkward with where it stands.
I personally wouldnt buy the tank, chances are they are going to sell the tank cheaper.
I havent played either tanks so I probably aint right to talk about this and might have gotten some things wrong

abstract slate Feb 26, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Hmm, i didnt even bother comparing hp tbh. I completely forgot to take that into consideration

lone warren Feb 26, 2019, 6:04 PM

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I am certain the defender gets more health

abstract slate Feb 26, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Ill look, but im sure that the t28 deff will have the problem i have with my is3 def. 1.2k from a clip sadly cant kill most tanks. And if you have no good team mates to cover you, and lets be honest its likely you dont, ou can be rushed and dpm-d :(

lone warren Feb 26, 2019, 6:08 PM

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I asked and people said what i thought but check to be certain but i believe its 1450 which is 300 more than the prot thats pretty significant.
Also in pretty sure the t28 has a better autoloader than the is3d which can help. And thats just making sure you take positioning very seriously in the tank, or any autoloader for that matter

abstract slate Feb 26, 2019, 6:10 PM

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Yeah i looked and it is, its interesting beacouse def can one clip a prot but it cant be clipped by another def

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Interesting, taking that into consideration, i guess its not that bad. But the price is still way too unrealistic. Im pretty sure avatars were added so they can put something worthless into packages to make it look like they sell more

twilit crystal Feb 26, 2019, 7:09 PM

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also the free boxes were giving away too mcuh for WG so they need to stuff it with more garbage.

grave bear Feb 26, 2019, 7:11 PM

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true, i got from free cheets: Löwe, Predator, T-25, Churchill III, Valentine II, T127, T-15, AC IV sentinel and some others low tiers

deft owl Feb 26, 2019, 7:34 PM

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@drowsy plaza Any tank above can penetrate any tank hull roof. This isnt special for vk 72.

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:45 PM

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The British TDs seriously need balancing... So easy to pen from the front and armour seems to be their strongest point...

lone warren Feb 26, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Its doubtful they will buff the line as long as the deathstar is there probably

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 8:55 PM

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The britishTD line should be as painful as possible. Getting to the 183 should be like walking bare foot across legos while some one shoots you with those pepper spray paintballs that riot police use.

indigo knot Feb 26, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Totally agree

small flame Feb 26, 2019, 9:27 PM

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Why don’t they just replace the 183 with a tank that makes sense for the line ? @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 9:30 PM

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No clue. I don't work for Wargaming

drowsy plaza Feb 26, 2019, 9:36 PM

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@small flame like the T-150 removal to keep the KV-2 🤪

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@deft owl it’s got a Löwe type dome. It can get dinged level ish

deft owl Feb 26, 2019, 9:39 PM

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@unique scaffold Bad logic. Im interested in tortoise style gameplay. So Should i suffer just because of its tier x tank?

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Yes

deft owl Feb 26, 2019, 9:40 PM

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Just because fv215b 183 is noob proof/cancer it doesnt mean rest of the line should be trash.

lone warren Feb 26, 2019, 9:40 PM

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The tier 8 and 9 arent even horrible its just the 6 and 7 that are useless. The rest is manageable.

deft owl Feb 26, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Tortoise becames obselete after su-122-54 buff.

small flame Feb 26, 2019, 9:44 PM

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spartacus it was more rhetorical tha anything

twilit crystal Feb 26, 2019, 9:44 PM

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i mean the su 122 54 isnt that op its just the toirtoise is a bit UP as it should be

coarse harness Feb 26, 2019, 9:52 PM

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The 122-54 was fine before the buff imo

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I enjoyed the whole line a lot with that play style

twilit crystal Feb 26, 2019, 9:59 PM

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wait the su got nerfed?

coarse harness Feb 26, 2019, 10:01 PM

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Shet i mean buff sry
Edited

keen bramble Feb 26, 2019, 10:06 PM

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where is the amx30 1erprototype

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 10:30 PM

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@keen bramble. It is periodically sold as a enriched tier 9

keen bramble Feb 26, 2019, 10:37 PM

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@unique scaffold But there is no amx30 in the WR and DPB table.

unique scaffold Feb 26, 2019, 10:37 PM

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🤷‍♂️

keen bramble Feb 26, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Neither amx30 nor amx30B😟

coarse harness Feb 26, 2019, 10:45 PM

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,,tanks only over 1% of battles"
So that isn't popular enough or they just don't want to show us those stats

keen bramble Feb 26, 2019, 10:51 PM

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I owned an amx30p and i personally think it is a little bit better than average tier 9 mt，so i am very curious about its stats

median gust Feb 26, 2019, 10:54 PM

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It it...

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 12:02 AM

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@low spindle read the pinned messages

empty ice Feb 27, 2019, 12:03 AM

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That must be some unbalanced tank...

low spindle Feb 27, 2019, 12:08 AM

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is extremely bad and extremely good team and some balanced about 30-40%

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I have been checking the team's results for 4 years. nothing has changed is getting worse

median gust Feb 27, 2019, 12:14 AM

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team? wut

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 12:18 AM

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@low spindle read pinned messages...

low spindle Feb 27, 2019, 12:19 AM

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EKG

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median gust Feb 27, 2019, 12:22 AM

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um

low spindle Feb 27, 2019, 12:41 AM

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15 times in a row already lost. and it will end and I will turn off the game

low spindle Feb 27, 2019, 1:03 AM

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1 win. ... 💩

fiery flame Feb 27, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Luck

visual nimbus Feb 27, 2019, 2:01 AM

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One more shot and I would have been in the top 10 .-.

small flame Feb 27, 2019, 3:53 AM

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the new vk 72 may be the worst tank i have ever played

twilit crystal Feb 27, 2019, 4:05 AM

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but you have played it

small flame Feb 27, 2019, 4:14 AM

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hahaha

formal sequoia Feb 27, 2019, 6:24 AM

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@low spindle Man, calm down 😂

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summer mortar Feb 27, 2019, 8:39 AM

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vk needs nerf

unique scaffold Feb 27, 2019, 10:13 AM

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@low spindle this isn't #replays or #screenshots .

low spindle Feb 27, 2019, 10:14 AM

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@unique scaffold ok

unique scaffold Feb 27, 2019, 10:34 AM

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That isn't balance related either... read the pinned messages @low spindle

low spindle Feb 27, 2019, 10:36 AM

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@unique scaffold
where is the right place?

unique scaffold Feb 27, 2019, 10:36 AM

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#general-blitz-discussion

low spindle Feb 27, 2019, 10:57 AM

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@unique scaffold

matchmaking forum is a good idea. ...

pastel marlin Feb 27, 2019, 12:20 PM

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balance the team and ping explosion

unique scaffold Feb 27, 2019, 12:22 PM

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@pastel marlin read the pinned messages. This isn't the place to complain about teams.

quartz crown Feb 27, 2019, 12:22 PM

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Oooof

pastel marlin Feb 27, 2019, 12:24 PM

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balancing the noobs is the best thing

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team game needs team balanced, before anything else

unique scaffold Feb 27, 2019, 12:31 PM

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Pinned messages. Read them. @pastel marlin

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 12:44 PM

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We need a new type of autoloader

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More 5 shell and 6 shell clips

tribal summit Feb 27, 2019, 12:47 PM

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It should be possible to buy milimeters of armor for gold

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 12:48 PM

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Exactly

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I should also be able to use gold to increase my WN

tribal summit Feb 27, 2019, 12:49 PM

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What WN means?

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 12:53 PM

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Winrate

tribal summit Feb 27, 2019, 12:53 PM

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WN8 for example?

formal sequoia Feb 27, 2019, 1:01 PM

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WN doesnt mean Winrate

unreal oxide Feb 27, 2019, 1:01 PM

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WR means WinRate

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:01 PM

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Bruh

unique scaffold Feb 27, 2019, 1:07 PM

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This is getting absurd and off topic. You should take it to #off-topic-discussion

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:21 PM

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WG should add gun recoil

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What if WG added a realistic game mode. No markers and realistic shell drop

lone warren Feb 27, 2019, 1:36 PM

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Most of the playerbase already struggles enough with markers and no shell drop.

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:39 PM

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^^^

iron lynx Feb 27, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Gun recoil would really look cool tho

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:42 PM

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Bruh

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How the hell do people struggle with shell drop

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:43 PM

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You realize you’d have to lead both above and in front of a target at range

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Considering most people can’t lead a shot on a fast tank over 300 m in the first place

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Yes. But that’s point of autoaim

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:44 PM

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...

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Auto aim locks on the tank. Pc locks on center mass

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That doesn’t work against light tanks at range

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Well it still isn’t that hard to lead your shots

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:45 PM

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You can’t auto aim at 300m

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:46 PM

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It isn’t that hard to lead a shot at 300m

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:46 PM

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It’s not that hard

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And still most players can’t do it

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:47 PM

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I think your exaggerating a little bit to much

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:47 PM

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So you think most players can hit a full sprint ru at 300 m?

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:47 PM

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If most players couldn’t hit ranged shots then I would never be touched in a lttb

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:47 PM

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I’ll take that bet

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:48 PM

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It also depends on the players position too

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:48 PM

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In general

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Flat ground

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Ru doing 80 kph

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Most players don’t hit that shot

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You have to out lead the sticky or auto aim

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:49 PM

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I don’t use auto-aim in sniper mode

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:49 PM

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But what do I know

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Bruh i thought you were taking about how the majority of players can’t lead there shots. Now why are you taking about how a ru is hard to hit on the run

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Because you have to lead the ru...

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And most people can’t lead shots to hit the ru...

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:52 PM

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It also depends on what direction he’s going

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Perpendicular to the shooter

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:53 PM

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How about the terrain

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Again. Flat

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:54 PM

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In cases like that you aim the recticle in front and wait until he crosses it. Don’t use auto-aim

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:54 PM

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And you think the majority of players will hit that shot

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Ifs it’s flat terrain then yes

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Lol

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We must be playing different games

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Now if the ru is going downhill or weaving in and out of structures then no

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:58 PM

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The tier 8 I play, half the people are under 1k damage and struggle to shoot tanks directly in front of them

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Bruh

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 1:58 PM

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But those same players will hit a full tilt ru 😂

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Hard no on that one

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 2:02 PM

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You like to exaggerate don’t you?

dusky oxide Feb 27, 2019, 2:04 PM

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"bruh" he said

unique scaffold Feb 27, 2019, 2:04 PM

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What does any of this have to do with balance 🤣

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 2:05 PM

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@unique scaffold “buff every tanks shell velocity so that you can pen rus at 300 m with auto aim”

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Buff tier 7 lights. I never said anything about buffing velocity

unique scaffold Feb 27, 2019, 2:05 PM

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fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 2:06 PM

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@quick lichen where did I say anything about buffing shell velocity

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Bruh moment

indigo knot Feb 27, 2019, 2:25 PM

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Talking about shells .....Can anyone explain me what is overmatching armour and does it apply to Blitz like in PC

twilit crystal Feb 27, 2019, 2:35 PM

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if shell calibre> 3x armor value it autopens. Key word is greater so 150 does not overmatch 50

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 3:35 PM

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But a 152 mm gun or bigger would

unique scaffold Feb 27, 2019, 3:38 PM

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@fiery cairn I love how supportive you are of the playerbase:)

exotic pelican Feb 27, 2019, 3:42 PM

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don't we get partial overmatching like PC does where if the caliber of the gun is at least twice of the armor it's shooting at, like if a 105mm gun shooting at 50mm of armor with AP it'll get more shell normalization

shy wren Feb 27, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Yes, but it's still gonna bounce at autobounce angles @exotic pelican

twilit crystal Feb 27, 2019, 3:47 PM

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and heat doesn't autobounce until 85 degrees but it gets 0 normalization. So if you have lets say the su 100m1 facing a tank with 50 mm of side armor you can load heat and still pen it

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 4:12 PM

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@unique scaffold nice sarcasm

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I just don’t think the player base was that bad. People make it sound like there the only good player and the rest of the team is always trash

zenith sand Feb 27, 2019, 4:16 PM

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I have a Very nice question: Why the Blitzfair from 2016 was better than 2017 and 2018?

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Cause WG is greedy

zenith sand Feb 27, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Was better than last ones..... :(((

fiery cairn Feb 27, 2019, 4:18 PM

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WG isn’t to big on listening to the Community too

zenith sand Feb 27, 2019, 4:18 PM

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WG said this year will think about old players....I want to see this...I play from 2015 and I dont have some very very nice stuff

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That's right Mr.Think

smoky yoke Feb 27, 2019, 4:26 PM

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Well you could have bought premiums with credits if you had 100 million , you might have gotten all. Type 62, type 64, type 34-2 , glacial etc etc.

exotic pelican Feb 27, 2019, 4:34 PM

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T-34-2 or T-34-3?

abstract slate Feb 27, 2019, 4:38 PM

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T-34-2

atomic hound Feb 27, 2019, 4:39 PM

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^^^^ just be careful of HE from 150mm+ guns, they can pen the lower plate (even the t49)

pastel marlin Feb 27, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Russian mts just hav too weak modules and ot keeps blowin up. Can't it be just a little bit buffed?

shy wren Feb 27, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Nah.
Each nation has their own module weaknesses

exotic pelican Feb 27, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Chinese tanks have the weakest ammorack, Russian tanks are the ones who catch on fire most of the time

dusky oxide Feb 27, 2019, 5:41 PM

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@pastel marlin wait till u try the chinese ones

unique scaffold Feb 27, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Chinese tanks have weaker ammoracks than American ?

quartz crown Feb 27, 2019, 5:59 PM

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@quick lichen with dispersion rng and without good shell velocity- I would seriously lack expectations to land a shot on a ru at 300+ meters

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 6:00 PM

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It’s almost like I know the game

teal olive Feb 27, 2019, 6:06 PM

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@pastel marlin naw, soviets and Chinese both have the weaker ammoracks, Germans tend to catch on fire more often due to their stupid frontal transmission.

twilit crystal Feb 27, 2019, 7:15 PM

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lol im not sure if even I could reliably hit an ru going at 80 at 300 m

drowsy plaza Feb 27, 2019, 7:42 PM

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@lusty silo your tier 8 balance charts are missing some tanks 😉

formal sequoia Feb 27, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Is somebody from WG here ?

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 8:11 PM

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Yes

formal sequoia Feb 27, 2019, 8:13 PM

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Have you ever played tier 8 ? And have you ever encountered VK P ? Probably no becouse you wouldnt left it in its current state. I CANT PEN IT WITH 300 PEN !!

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 8:15 PM

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Then you’re not aiming

lone warren Feb 27, 2019, 8:21 PM

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The T34 can easily pen the vk p frontally with 248 ap pen. If you cannot penetrate it with over 50mm more pen then thats a you problem. Not the tank.

formal sequoia Feb 27, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Yea, and its 560 DMG gun…

lone warren Feb 27, 2019, 8:26 PM

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Its a 460 average damage gun and its gun is horrible. Terrible reload and bad gun handling.
It only has armour going for it.
One of the worst HP pools for a tier 8 heavy.
Gun only has alpha thats it.

formal sequoia Feb 27, 2019, 8:26 PM

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And only 1 weakspot that is really small compared to the tank’s Size

lone warren Feb 27, 2019, 8:28 PM

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For tanks with poor pen sure. But youre complaining about not being able to pen it with 300mm like what isnt thay enough to even go through the cheeks?

unique scaffold Feb 27, 2019, 8:28 PM

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@formal sequoia did you know that you don't have to fight the VK from the front? They have sides and rear that are easy for most tanks to pen.

ivory crypt Feb 27, 2019, 8:29 PM

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I dont exactly remember Jpanther 2's apcr pen, but it can go through the front the last time I really need it to pen

lone warren Feb 27, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Apcr pen is 311 but it has around 240 ap pen which is enough to hit it frontally too

formal sequoia Feb 27, 2019, 8:31 PM

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@unique scaffold yea, try to shoot the side with ISU Or some slower tank…

ivory crypt Feb 27, 2019, 8:32 PM

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I mean the ufp, but ye, I can just pen from the front with normal AP if I actually aim, but am kinda in a pinch so

unique scaffold Feb 27, 2019, 8:33 PM

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This isn't world of bunkers. Reposition. The VK is slow. Save it for last and kill it at your leisure.

grave bear Feb 27, 2019, 8:46 PM

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really learn to aim. Vk 100P's lower plate is the weakest out of all real tier 8 heavies (like tiger II, Lowe, is5) they all have better lower plate than vk100. you can pen vk100p with 185 AP pen. if you cant with 300 really, it's your problem.

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LMAO ISU is a slow tank and needs to flank or it cant pen tanks frontally 😂 😂 😂 👏

quick lichen Feb 27, 2019, 9:10 PM

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I love this so much

deft owl Feb 27, 2019, 9:11 PM

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@formal sequoia Git gud.

indigo knot Feb 27, 2019, 9:31 PM

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If someone said that he was not able to pen Vk with 175 pen I would understand but 300 pen .... seriously .... can't they aim the weak spot just a little.....then they keep ranting on that its a broken tank.....

buoyant compass Feb 27, 2019, 9:42 PM

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Lmao

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This is the reason why grey areas exist when viewing tanks from your binocular

twilit crystal Feb 27, 2019, 9:46 PM

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the gun handling is fine for the vk 100p. I actually find it op tbh(the gun handling) The pen is slightly lower than 220 but it butters through IS tanks thx to its height]

buoyant compass Feb 27, 2019, 11:13 PM

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yeah

visual nimbus Feb 27, 2019, 11:59 PM

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VKs gun handling is pretty decent from my experience

deft owl Feb 28, 2019, 5:50 AM

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Vk is a german tank its suppose to have better gun handlings then russian heavies.

cunning kindle Feb 28, 2019, 9:29 AM

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Ur HE ricochet?

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Oof ur very unlucky lol

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 10:08 AM

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That doesn't seem balance related at all. Why are you posting it here? @torpid mirage

I've never seen HE deflect. I've seen HE absorbed by armor that was beyond its penetration ability.

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Maybe your HE ricocheted off the gun mantlet or a particularly well armored angle of the turret, in that case the explosion couldn't damage other parts of the tank

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Not being able to aim has nothing to do with balance 🤣

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I phrased myself wrong before, it's as @unique scaffold said, HE shells can't possibly ricochet except in exceptionally particular situations, but this shouldn't happen in this game I think, as it requires a time regulator on the proximity sensor of the shell. So indeed, your shell got absorbed by thicker parts of the turret armor, maybe damaging it a bit, but not enough to do hp damage on the tank itself

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 10:39 AM

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@torpid mirage HE doesnt ricochet, it always detonates on impact. And it wont do damage if you shoot it at a plate thats red. Its your own fault for not knowing that you should shoot HE under tanks to reliably do dmg.

iron lynx Feb 28, 2019, 11:06 AM

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Your HE shell did explode, but the armor is too thick for the splash damage to get through, so it appears to have ricocheted. This is more common with small caliber HE shells, as opposed to the larger, >152mm TD shells.

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 2:23 PM

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What makes the wz1201gft so much better than the su101?

warm meadow Feb 28, 2019, 2:26 PM

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If I remember correctly just about everything

wraith lance Feb 28, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Better armor, dpm, gun handling, gun depression

twilit crystal Feb 28, 2019, 3:31 PM

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lol like literally everything. The armor is better than most heavies tbh. Its basically a td with the su101 mobility but t28 armor and gun depression and no cupolas

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 3:35 PM

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I guess the little mobility advantage doesnt make up for much when every gun stat is like 15% better...

pastel marlin Feb 28, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Tier 8 IS tanks are currently unplayable. They cant kill 200hp 10m amx stationary. Armour is pennable for everything, gun has no positives. And always set on fire.

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Guys you hear that? we need to buff tier 8 is tanks :DDD

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 3:38 PM

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I’d rather have my tier 8 meds and lights buffed a bit

restive fiber Feb 28, 2019, 3:39 PM

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In my opinion, IS tanks doesn't need any more buff. They got decent armor and mobility, and their damage output is enough to cover their bad gun handling.

distant river Feb 28, 2019, 3:39 PM

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prepares to be raged at I'd rather have the VK100 buffed

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 3:40 PM

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@pastel marlin unplayable? Maybe for you. Their accuracy is bad cause they are fast enough to get to frontline positions first. And german tanks get set on fire way more often because of the frontal transmissions.

restive fiber Feb 28, 2019, 3:40 PM

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Brit tanks are also susceptible to fire.

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Tier 8 meds and lights have been inferior in the meta for a long time. Bad pen and a very low dpm makes me choose a tier 7 med/light every time.

distant river Feb 28, 2019, 3:41 PM

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I will rake my RU over anything at tier 8

pastel marlin Feb 28, 2019, 3:45 PM

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who would like to go into a front line in IS-3 when there's 2 tds camping in the back and T-28 defenders just wreaking havoc in frontline?

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 3:46 PM

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@pastel marlin and you think if heavies were buffed it would make the meta balanced? Thats a big XD

restive fiber Feb 28, 2019, 3:46 PM

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It's not about bull-rushing, take a short range skirmish spot instead.

pastel marlin Feb 28, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Furthermore, when enemy E-75s and IS-8s are in the frontline holding like a boss, it is really hard to live

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Meh fully aimed at middle of the CDC not moving on 10m, still 0 dmg

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I mean srsly. How guns can be so bad? Even fully aimed, can't penetrate RHM borsig's side as I hit the damn tracks

distant river Feb 28, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Aim for the turret not the tracks

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 3:48 PM

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@pastel marlin IS3 is the 3rd best performing heavy at tier 8 so its not the tank, its the driver

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@pastel marlin you trade accuracy for an excellent blend of mobility and armor. You cant have everything.

distant river Feb 28, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Personally im not too keen on my IS3, but i still don't have it maxed. I love my IS5 though, and I guess theyre similar in playstyle

restive fiber Feb 28, 2019, 3:51 PM

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They are.
"I actually find IS-3 as a formidable opponent, everytime i encountered one, i ran away." -Said the Ru 251 driver.

regal root Feb 28, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Am sorry to ask,
But is kpf becoming a collector??

restive fiber Feb 28, 2019, 3:56 PM

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I don't know for sure, but it'd be better to ask it here: #general-blitz-discussion or here: #vehicles-discussion

regal root Feb 28, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Ohh, well coz I heard someone saying it will be nerfed a bit in case it becomes collector

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Ohh thanks Rox 🙂

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 4:02 PM

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What the heck, NO, I'll send a complain to WG if they make a premium PAID tank like the Kpfpz a mere collector. And it does NOT need a nerf, if any, if should be a buff.

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Did I just read that the tier 8 IS tanks need a buff?

small flame Feb 28, 2019, 4:17 PM

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you did

shy wren Feb 28, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Yep, but they really don’t need one

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Okay. I'm building a fallout shelter. Humanity is done.

small flame Feb 28, 2019, 4:18 PM

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agreed

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 4:21 PM

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WZ 120 KV-2, and Death Star all need buffs.

Welcome to the theater of the absurd.

small flame Feb 28, 2019, 4:23 PM

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i agree. so does the 62a. is trash right now, not gonna lie

pastel marlin Feb 28, 2019, 4:29 PM

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T-62A is really effective on some situations, and it is also hull-down dpm monster

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@small flame You only trade hull armour a bit and gun depression. However, it has formidable DPM and mindblowing gun handing, making it effective all-range fighter, which can actively work with enemy armour no matter the distance. This is my one of the best tank to do Mid-Far-range fire supporting and also the hull-down 1st line tanker-dealer. I have no problem dealing with TDs and some Hts thanks to its camo and mobility. M badges are created often, and it is just a pure pleasure to play. No buffs nor nerfs are needed currently, and it fits really well except on some maps, but no tanks can be perpect on every single situations.

small flame Feb 28, 2019, 4:34 PM

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are you brain dead? look at the conversation before my comment. spartacus and i were discussing tanks that clearly need buffs

pastel marlin Feb 28, 2019, 4:37 PM

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You said t62a need buffs. So here's my opinion

fiery flame Feb 28, 2019, 4:40 PM

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😂 quality input from comet

restive fiber Feb 28, 2019, 4:42 PM

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People been complaining about absurdly good tanks, can we actually take a look at Leopard 1?

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Leo 1 is good it is just very skill requiring

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small flame Feb 28, 2019, 4:44 PM

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thank you spartacus

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 4:45 PM

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:/

restive fiber Feb 28, 2019, 4:45 PM

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"People said that Leo 1 is a mobile sniper, i tried doing so and the gun seemed to suit the style. On contrary, it has a very bad concealment and gun depression, i got myself getting spotted and insta-killed often due to it's HE magnet armor. Perhaps someone could give me a few pieces of advice, thanks in advance." Copied from #vehicles-discussion

fiery flame Feb 28, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Well try not to get spotted in the first place, that would be a start, secondly use it’s mobility to run away. Basically play the tank like you have 10 hitpoints left and the next shot will kill you

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 4:48 PM

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The gun depression is 9 degrees not bad imho

twilit crystal Feb 28, 2019, 4:56 PM

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lol @unique scaffold . Its sad once again the vk 100p is getting a nerf because its one of the few tier 8s that can stand up to IS spam. It happened to the amx 50 100 too. Now on the other hand the tier 7 IS-2 needs a buff

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 4:57 PM

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@twilit crystal confirmed?

twilit crystal Feb 28, 2019, 4:57 PM

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open test on blitz post

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Unbelievable. I don't even play heavies and I think that is absurd

twilit crystal Feb 28, 2019, 4:59 PM

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it prob was a bit borderline but thats mostly coz of the tier 8 IS meta

fiery flame Feb 28, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Nerfing the vk is absurd? 😂
The tank is OP

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 4:59 PM

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It was probably hard to deal with for meds, due to fast traverse for such weight

lunar niche Feb 28, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Lets see what that nerf is about. Far from OP though

twilit crystal Feb 28, 2019, 5:00 PM

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interesting tier 9 foch also got nerfed and tier 7 lights have some changes. Hopefully they aren't nerfs

fiery flame Feb 28, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Huh... why tho

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Foch will get nerfed what

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I never had a problem with the VK. They are designed to be meat shields, to soak up green team shots while the red team deals out damage. They are easy to fight. Don't play their game, kill their teammates, avoid them until the endgame, and then kill them.

twilit crystal Feb 28, 2019, 5:04 PM

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tbf unlike the maus avoiding the vk is a more dangerous task as its gun is actually pretty good

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Good =/= OP

fiery flame Feb 28, 2019, 5:05 PM

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@unique scaffold it soaks up too much, that’s the problem. All they are nerfing is the armour I think, if you sidescrape it and play it smart you won’t notice a difference

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 5:06 PM

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I don't play it at all.

fiery flame Feb 28, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Oh...

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Heavies are tanks for players who aren't good enough to play mediums 🤣

lunar niche Feb 28, 2019, 5:07 PM

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If they nerf the armour, the HP needs to go up.

Can't push if you only sidescrape.

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Tds are tanks for players who arent good enough to play heavies.

twilit crystal Feb 28, 2019, 5:18 PM

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what a joke. WG sells the kpf for 15k gold often and now they make it a collector worth 5k gold. Thats an absolute scam. They should make it pay out 15k gold or no collector

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 5:19 PM

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@dusky oxide. TD's are for players who downloaded Blitz and then realized it doesn't have artillery.

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 5:19 PM

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I dont trust it. Wotb post hasnt even published it on their own discord.

twilit crystal Feb 28, 2019, 5:19 PM

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? its in the open test lol which almost always is what comes out. WG hates giving us any info and likes to keep us in the dark until 5 hours before

shy wren Feb 28, 2019, 5:20 PM

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~~Blitz Post did, on the Open Test 5~~

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 5:20 PM

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@unique scaffold they enjoy playing cookie clicker :D

coarse harness Feb 28, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Collector not means anythig the tank remains the same

twilit crystal Feb 28, 2019, 5:21 PM

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it means they say they can nerf it yet some people paid 15k gold and only get a refund offer of 5k gold. For example the low tier collectors were sold for 1.2k gold and they gave us 1.2k gold back

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Its an enriched tank rn but is it nerfable like the 121b, 30 1er and chieftain?

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Every tank is nerfable

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Not in that way. When selling the 121b, 30 1er abd chieftain wg discloses the fact in the ad post.

coarse harness Feb 28, 2019, 5:23 PM

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They didn't touch any high tier collector yet

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Yet...

twilit crystal Feb 28, 2019, 5:23 PM

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every tank is nerfable but they should reasonably offer a full gold refund for the maximum price paid for it at any time excluding events

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 5:23 PM

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They write The 121B is not a Premium tank. Its profitability corresponds to that of a Tier X researchable vehicle with activated enrichment. The 121B characteristics may be adjusted in future if it is necessary for game balance purposes.

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 5:23 PM

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They disclosed that Drac and Helsing « may be subject to rebalance »

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Yes, did they do that with kpz?

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 5:24 PM

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I've heard that the Dracula will never be touched because someone high up at WG loves it

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Idk. They seem to do that with every tank

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 5:25 PM

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I went back to read the missile excercise post and it had no mention of rebalancing.

coarse harness Feb 28, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Lol some gossip

unique scaffold Feb 28, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Still think the VK nerf is unnecessary. Not every tank needs to be idiot proof.

twilit crystal Feb 28, 2019, 5:26 PM

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They should give it the option for the full gold value of 15k for a tier nine enriched tank. Not a garbage 5k which isn't even worth a tier 7 premium.

coarse harness Feb 28, 2019, 5:27 PM

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There are 1000 players who got the tank for free

cunning kindle Feb 28, 2019, 5:27 PM

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^

dusky oxide Feb 28, 2019, 5:27 PM

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@unique scaffold why not? The game is full of them. The problem is that one can even get good results just by choosing to play the vk