#tank-balance-discussion | WoT Blitz Official | Page 117

deft owl Feb 16, 2019, 2:58 PM

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And saying "Noobs will suck in it anyway" is nothing but ignoring the problem.

unique scaffold Feb 16, 2019, 2:59 PM

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I just don't see the point. "Balance" will be handed out by Wargaming as they see fit. You can either adapt and carry on or you can gripe about it. I'd rather adapt and carry on.

deft owl Feb 16, 2019, 3:01 PM

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Good. Let them introduce flying tier 8 tank for 100000 gold and see if you choose to adapt again.

unique scaffold Feb 16, 2019, 3:01 PM

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What a absurd counterpoint 🤣

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You guys just keep pounding sand. I'm out. 🤣🤣🤣

iron lynx Feb 16, 2019, 3:02 PM

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Imagine two nubs fighting each other on a map, but one is in an Object 252U and another one is in a regular tech tree tank, say, an IS-3.
I would say the player in the Object 252U has a straight-out advantage over the IS-3 player.
And tourney players are usually good players with roughly the same skill level, so in that case, the outcome is usually, if not always decided by the characteristics of the tank itself.
Especially if one tank is flat-out better than the other.
I mean, WG could still change the characteristics of the Object 252U, but I'd rather say it's OP and let WG change it, rather than saying it's not and turns out it is actually OP.

deft owl Feb 16, 2019, 3:05 PM

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However we still dont know how the armor values gonna be. I hope they nerf it before its release.

dusky oxide Feb 16, 2019, 3:06 PM

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I mean... Su-101 vs wz1201gft. Theres just certain advatages that make the wz so easy to use and do well in even if you lose 55% of your career games. A player of that kind would struggle with the su's gun depression and wouldnt need to worry as much in the wz since it has ultimate traverse numbers and armor that when combined with an extemely low profile just becomes harder to counter. The only way you can misuse the wz is if you rush in it. And even then it would have enough dpm to farm some.

shy wren Feb 16, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Upper hull’s definitely an autobounce, even with the upper glacis nerfs, as the effective thickness exceeds 3x of its base value.
Lower hull’s definitely is gonna get hit with the nerf bat

iron lynx Feb 16, 2019, 3:09 PM

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I really hope so

smoky yoke Feb 16, 2019, 3:13 PM

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My message got deleted so I have to do it again. PC and Blitz , I checked using tanks.gg and PC has less armor than blitz, Is-3 is a good example 212mm max on hull, blitz it's 254 mm max. PC is 196mm underplate and blitz is 206mm so blitz has the edge with armor due to hitskins

exotic moth Feb 16, 2019, 4:51 PM

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@everyone

unique scaffold Feb 16, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Everyone tag doesn’t work here. WG is not stupid and don’t want people to spam it

dusky oxide Feb 16, 2019, 5:02 PM

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50iq troll

wraith lance Feb 16, 2019, 5:06 PM

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He probably goes town on Middleburg

dusky oxide Feb 16, 2019, 5:13 PM

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@wraith lance 😂 😁

lone warren Feb 16, 2019, 5:46 PM

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nah he the type to drive in mid between town and hill

dusky oxide Feb 16, 2019, 6:29 PM

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The type to go straight to cap in port bay

deft owl Feb 16, 2019, 6:36 PM

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The type who camps with heavy tank in dead rail.

rancid flame Feb 16, 2019, 6:38 PM

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The type who is in a leopard 1 and decides to camp on Mines rather than contest hill or lighthouse

jovial kernel Feb 16, 2019, 8:38 PM

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I mean at least we don't have the PC version of the SU-100M1 with more frontal armor than the Mod 1 and over 200mm pen

magic topaz Feb 16, 2019, 8:54 PM

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im wondering why the kpf70 has same reload time than t30 but worst gun and dmg per shot. smh... probably the worst prem tank of the game

smoky yoke Feb 16, 2019, 9:00 PM

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balanced prem tank

magic topaz Feb 16, 2019, 9:04 PM

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then isnt a prem tank...

unique scaffold Feb 16, 2019, 9:24 PM

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This is for vehicle balance. Not matchmaking. Read the pinned messages @cursive acorn

cursive acorn Feb 16, 2019, 9:24 PM

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oh sorry didn't see that (I'll delete)

dusky oxide Feb 16, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Its actually cool how a bit less than half the kpz drivers got it from the event by being in the 1k of the vest dmg dealers.

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Its probably why it took pretty long for it to receive buffs

unique scaffold Feb 16, 2019, 10:06 PM

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And kpfpz still needs buffs, starting from reloading and camo values

teal olive Feb 16, 2019, 11:37 PM

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@unique scaffold I know you said this a bit ago. But I’d like to think I’m an above average player with a blitzstars 30 day at around 63-65 (could be lower thanks to the lovely jag e100) but I cannot think to myself “yeah I’d beat a noob in a 120 FT” while I’m in some trashy tech tree tank

unique scaffold Feb 16, 2019, 11:38 PM

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Will the t32, tiger 2 and is-3 be buffed anytime soon?

teal olive Feb 16, 2019, 11:39 PM

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With god tier frontal armor, sometimes trollish side armor, a big alpha/dpm gun, and 40 god damned degrees of traverse against some powercreeped medium with 200 mil of pen... no way

unique scaffold Feb 16, 2019, 11:40 PM

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T57 heavy platoon > anything else

wraith lance Feb 17, 2019, 12:42 AM

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IS-3 buff? Not a chance

shy wren Feb 17, 2019, 2:16 AM

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That tank is just solid. No need for one

loud gazelle Feb 17, 2019, 3:12 AM

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I don’t understand all this talk about balance. It’s like most of you want all tanks to be the same. But they are not the same. Some have heavier armor, some more pen, some faster, etc. if you think a certain tank has an advantage, that’s incentive to grind towards it to earn it. And if you are talking about premium tanks, don’t you expect the tank you buy to have some advantage over the ones you earn? Otherwise why buy it? And if you want all tanks to be balanced, then why is there more than 1 different tank per tier. IMO, WOTB blew it when they “balanced” all the lower tiered tanks.

wraith lance Feb 17, 2019, 3:23 AM

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One or two advantages on a premium tank is fine, but the WZ 120 G FT is broken, it outclasses most medium tanks at its tier

Also, the whole advantage and point about premium tanks is their high credit coefficient. They shouldn't be better than their tech tree counterparts

dusky oxide Feb 17, 2019, 3:23 AM

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I believe i speak for the behalf of mot of us when i say that the only advantage a premium tank should offer is increased credit income.
So, what made you think we want all tanks to be the same? I, for one usually b*tch about seeing too many heavy armored or high-alpha tanks and beg for more variety. Just because a tank is different doesnt make it overpowered. I believe that if a tank has a big advantage in one thing, it should also be vulnerable/bad in another. Like every tank, every class should also have its drawbacks.
What comes to the period where things got messy, i consider it the point where players started getting awarded for lousy and stubborn playstyles.
@loud gazelle

wraith lance Feb 17, 2019, 3:24 AM

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Nailed it ^^

dusky oxide Feb 17, 2019, 3:26 AM

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@wraith lance thx ;) and you beat me to it, even with an example. Great minds at work

indigo knot Feb 17, 2019, 6:02 AM

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I was grinding cent 1 when Wz120 ft was sold and boy they really bullied my cent 1 .....its like tier 9 foch with no cupola

smoky yoke Feb 17, 2019, 6:10 AM

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grinding for all medium tanks sucks at tier 9. Unless you get at least the gun from time you unlock the tank.

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 8:23 AM

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The pen is sucky and the alpha is meh. Going against tier nine is the worst especially in a low alpha tank like the cent. U just gotta try to use your advantages best u can

crimson barn Feb 17, 2019, 8:33 AM

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Have you ever mastered tanks again?

atomic hound Feb 17, 2019, 8:34 AM

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@indigo knot and double the traverse...

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 8:45 AM

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Oh and btw jag e100 needs buff change my mind

simple cedar Feb 17, 2019, 8:46 AM

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I love playing the T54, but stock it probably is the worst tank in game

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@teal olive 388mm heat pen not enough? Then put in calibrated shells

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 8:50 AM

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It doesn’t need a HEAT buff you imbecile. And for the record, it has 380 same as the 268 now, the devs cant have the jag having anything better than the soviets

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Traverse buff, aim time buff, upper casement buff. And make the thing stop low-rolling all the time.

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 8:57 AM

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So just make it op?

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 8:58 AM

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I’m not talking about giving it crazy good anything. But the thing needs a purpose at tier ten and it has NONE at the current moment. It’s a giant box of HP rolling around waiting to be chewed up

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Fair enough, but a bit of mobility "or" armor buff should suffice, not both and aim time is perfectly fine as it is

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 8:59 AM

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It has NO mobility, I’d just prefer to not be circled by IS4s

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 9:00 AM

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I agree^

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Aim time is far from fine, its supposed to have german gun handling but at tier ten every single soviet besides the IS7 has better gun handling than it does. I play the jag and wince when I miss things that I shouldn’t and its such a relief when i roll out in the 268 the game after that, its such a huge difference

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And with its slowwwwww mobility, crap gun arc, and meh gun statistics, it fails at what its meant to do, which is bait shots and then sidescrape out and hit the enemy back with a big ol’ alpha shot. But it is so mediocre with that when you’re not at close quarters, and it should not be going close quarters

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Crap gun arc, not turret lol.

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Hmm i still feel an aim time buff wud make it the next 183 :/, too accurate for so much alpha

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 9:04 AM

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Aaaaaaand here’s my next point..... its a 725 Alpha gun. Not an 800 alpha. Low rolls so often. Considerably more than anything else

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Coz it has a larger range of alpha, so it'll obviously have more variation, jag goes +/-200 from its avg alpha, whereas something like an is7 goes +115 and -95 iirc

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Wow, if only I’d see the +200 side of that then :/

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Thats kinda ur personal experience, which i dont think wg takes into consideration when wg balances tanks

iron lynx Feb 17, 2019, 9:09 AM

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No no actually Jageru gun is -200/+50
Might as well be using a 152mm gun

unique scaffold Feb 17, 2019, 9:09 AM

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If it was personal experience then there would be only a small part of Jag players complaining. But almost everyone that has played the tank says that it constantly low rolls. I think there’s a glitch or something that makes it low roll

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 9:09 AM

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I mean if ur gonna make jokes, i m out of this convo

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 9:10 AM

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I will try to notice when it high rolls but if I’m being honest i just don’t see it high roll often unless i use the crew skill.... I’ve just been kind of dumbfounded seeing this happen because while using things like my grille and 268 its never been as consistent with lowrolls. And joking or not, sturer is kind of right.

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 9:11 AM

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Fair enough, i m not denying u get a lot of low rolls but again wg wont take it into consideration

iron lynx Feb 17, 2019, 9:11 AM

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When you roll sub-700 damage in a 170mm gun using AP in 7 out of 10 shots, you should know something is wrong.

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 9:11 AM

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I know and thats what so frustrating. I know that they’ll always deny it. But its like that in PC aswell, everyone who has played it has taken notice of it

unique scaffold Feb 17, 2019, 9:12 AM

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@teal olive it has the same problem on PC ?

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 9:13 AM

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So I’ve heard... @unique scaffold . It could very well be a glitch, but if it actually IS like that on both platforms where the coding and whatever is different than it probably wouldn’t be a misplace decimal or glitch or something. And I’m not one to buy into “Muhhhhh soviet biast” or anything...but.... 🤔🤔

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Well one way or another, this poor thing needs some kind of buff. It’s statistically the worst tank at tier ten

unique scaffold Feb 17, 2019, 9:17 AM

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True. Worst average WR and damage of tier 10

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 9:18 AM

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Wow really? I was about to edit my message saying Tank Destroyer but wow

unique scaffold Feb 17, 2019, 9:20 AM

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Yes, WG has published average stats of all tier 10 tanks. German TDs were statistically the worst, although the Grille is a bit more flexible and usable. I still think Grille deserve a camo buff

iron lynx Feb 17, 2019, 9:21 AM

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Grille 15 could at least do a sidescrape peek-a-boo.
Jageru cannot.

unique scaffold Feb 17, 2019, 9:21 AM

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Jageroo can’t do anything but being used as a shield once destroyed

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 9:22 AM

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Oh yeah no doubt about it, massive camo buff and maybe something like a slight gun depression buff. Or traverse buff. One of those two. I remember the exact moment i sold my grille was when an IS4 facehugged me, i had no way to pen the turret due to weak HEAT pen, no way to escape due to bad traverse and backup speed, and no way to hit his hull thanks to buf depression

iron lynx Feb 17, 2019, 9:23 AM

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The Grille actually has different gun depression depending on the gun arc

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 9:23 AM

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And I stated my reasons on why the jag can’t side-peek-a-boom. Bad gun arc, bad aim time, meh upper casement armor, GIANT TANK (makes it a chore to actually turn around corners), and bad travers

unique scaffold Feb 17, 2019, 9:24 AM

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It feels like a turretless E-100

iron lynx Feb 17, 2019, 9:24 AM

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With slightly more alpha
Slightly
According to most players

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 9:24 AM

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Dude jag has better wr than grille and 183

unique scaffold Feb 17, 2019, 9:25 AM

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I don’t remember the exact thing, but still Jag has 3rd worst WR and the very worst average damage, while 183 had low WR but high dmg and Grille had a bit more dmg

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 9:26 AM

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:/

iron lynx Feb 17, 2019, 9:29 AM

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Grille has a massive gun arc and accuracy as well as a good top speed which makes it flexible.
183 also has a massive gun arc and impressive alpha coupled with HEAT, and has acceptable mobility.
Jageru has a teeny gun arc with bad gun handling and less-than-stellar armor for its bad mobility.

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 9:30 AM

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Plz tell me u meant hesh and not heat

iron lynx Feb 17, 2019, 9:30 AM

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Ay yes sorry my bad
I mean HESH @cunning kindle

supple lintel Feb 17, 2019, 9:30 AM

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I rly think Jageroo needs improving in its accuracy

unique scaffold Feb 17, 2019, 9:30 AM

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But small maps kinda nerf Grille because who needs laser like accuracy in 500x500m maps

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 9:31 AM

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And then ppl will complain its too accurate

supple lintel Feb 17, 2019, 9:31 AM

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No its got horrible dispersion now. It cant hit distant shots

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 9:32 AM

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@supple lintel dude wat? It has better dispersion than e3 iirc

supple lintel Feb 17, 2019, 9:33 AM

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@cunning kindlelemme check the stats

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 9:33 AM

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I just did and e3 has worse dispersion than jag

indigo knot Feb 17, 2019, 9:34 AM

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Nope the accuracy of Jag is ok.....I have played over 1k battles in it

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 9:34 AM

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All it needs is a mobilty buff

iron lynx Feb 17, 2019, 9:34 AM

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The Jageru should be feared because of its high alpha, second only to the FV215(b) 183.
Unfortunately, most Jageru players experience more low rolls (sub-700) instead of actually being distributed about the 800 alpha average mark.

supple lintel Feb 17, 2019, 9:35 AM

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thats true

indigo knot Feb 17, 2019, 9:36 AM

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Jag need mobility buff only.....Heavy shouldn't be able to circle it and a little rng on low rolls .....its annoying when a 700 hp tank is still alive after taking Jage100 shot

lunar niche Feb 17, 2019, 9:39 AM

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Dispersion is pretty good when not moving. Dispersion on hull rotation and movement is atrocious with bad aim time. I don't even know why they gave it cupola.

T110E3 for armour and 183 for alpha. Jag atm is just meh.

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 9:41 AM

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Yeah, I’ve made the point sooo many times... what is the point of the jag, you can find a tank at tier ten that does it all so much better than the jag does.

iron lynx Feb 17, 2019, 9:42 AM

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The machine gun cupola is actually completely useless in design.
It is mounted too high for anti-infantry use, and cannot elevate high enough for anti-aircraft purposes.
That means it is completely useless.

lunar niche Feb 17, 2019, 9:45 AM

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My theory, as it was the first high alpha + good allround armour TD, they gave it low rolling rng and cupola to balance it.

183 doesn't lowroll as much. It rolls 800+ here and there but never seen it rolling its minimum 699-780 dmg.

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 9:48 AM

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Wait the 183 can roll 699??? Lowest I’ve seen it go is mid 800s!!! Just goes to show how Muh the jag low rolls...

lunar niche Feb 17, 2019, 9:49 AM

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698 to be exact but yeah, never seen it dping sub 700-799 dmg except for HESH fails.

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 9:50 AM

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I have actually seen it to do 738 to my batchat

lone warren Feb 17, 2019, 9:51 AM

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Lowest I rolled in a deathstar is around 720

lunar niche Feb 17, 2019, 9:51 AM

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Lmao, dude must have gone crazy lol @cunning kindle

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 9:51 AM

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But its rare :/ and nah that dude was a dummy who shud havr shot hesh

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 9:59 AM

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Thank god for noobs at tier ten. I would usually say to hell with them, but they’re the only players you can do damage to while in a jag... for the most part, anyone with half a brain can take down a jag, easy

unique fulcrum Feb 17, 2019, 11:04 AM

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@teal olive @cunning kindle if you’re getting circled by is4s in Jag ur playing it wrong lmao.

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 11:11 AM

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Pretty sure neither of us meant that literally

unique fulcrum Feb 17, 2019, 11:13 AM

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Jag is amazing tank lol... great sidescraper and so much fun to nuke meds for 1300

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 11:13 AM

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Sure

unique fulcrum Feb 17, 2019, 11:15 AM

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Doesn’t need a buf. Maybe 1-2 deg/s of trav but other than that its fine @cunning kindle

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 11:15 AM

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Yea thats what i m saying, just a bit of mobility buff, any more and it'll be the same case as 183

lunar niche Feb 17, 2019, 11:24 AM

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Jag and amazing don't go together.

unique fulcrum Feb 17, 2019, 11:27 AM

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I think so

jade basin Feb 17, 2019, 11:37 AM

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Nerf FV 183

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elfin marlin Feb 17, 2019, 11:54 AM

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Buff 183 camo.

shy wren Feb 17, 2019, 11:56 AM

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Nein, just nerfed this update

elfin marlin Feb 17, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Nerf all meds, yolo riders anyway

shy wren Feb 17, 2019, 12:01 PM

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Nein, they’re not the meta

coarse harness Feb 17, 2019, 12:08 PM

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Jag is only usable against noobs🤷🏻‍♂️

lone warren Feb 17, 2019, 12:15 PM

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A good player can make it effective. But the jag is not an amazing tank, it underperforms across the board - one of the worst winrates at tier ten with low average damage

indigo knot Feb 17, 2019, 12:29 PM

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Both the german tds should be buffed a little .....Grille should be buffed in terms of camo rating atleast to 263 levels and Jag must be buffed in terms of traverse and rng low rolls....

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I really think that Waffle is the peak tank of the line .....all in all grille seems to be a bad version of it .....only merit it has is gun

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Is4 should be nerfed a little to ......It has armour that is better than maus in many cases ....heat pen of Tds ....it is fast too.........same goes for T22 med that should be nerfed it is soo good at every thing ....

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Please give your opinions on this and correct me if I am wrong

coarse harness Feb 17, 2019, 12:44 PM

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IS-4 is fine

jovial kernel Feb 17, 2019, 12:45 PM

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the IS-4 is a bit too strong and while I would like to see a nerf, the E 50M needs a nerf more

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just un buff the front gun depression on the E 50M imo

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 1:13 PM

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No plz dont buff grille, plzzzzz

jovial kernel Feb 17, 2019, 1:15 PM

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yeah we can't have a German tank actually be good

unique scaffold Feb 17, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Maus, E 50 M and Leo 1 are good actually. I don’t know about E-100, VK 72 is UP, the TDs are, well, meh to say the least

indigo knot Feb 17, 2019, 1:33 PM

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E100 is also difficult to play when the heat rounds are slung at you.....

unique scaffold Feb 17, 2019, 1:37 PM

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But I’d say that the problem is HEAT not E-100. IMO this mechanic just works against dynamic gameplay. I’d have preferred prammo like on ISU-130, less pen more damage, like something between standard and explosive shells

cunning kindle Feb 17, 2019, 1:53 PM

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E50M is the best med rn u wot?

indigo knot Feb 17, 2019, 1:55 PM

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Yup its best non premium , non collector med along M48 patton for me ....... But Mk6 ( it plays mostly like a med ) and T22 are the best

unique scaffold Feb 17, 2019, 3:10 PM

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Buff grille WG u wont

dim field Feb 17, 2019, 3:15 PM

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April fools camo for Grille.
Give it a grille themed camo that makes it shoot hotdogs and hamburgers at people

unique scaffold Feb 17, 2019, 3:16 PM

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stop

dim field Feb 17, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Ok

unique scaffold Feb 17, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Ok

quick lichen Feb 17, 2019, 3:22 PM

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The funny thing is that raid hates their own camo

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And yes. Buff the grille traverse and speed or the camo

unique scaffold Feb 17, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Yeah it didnt even have their team colors lmao nice wg

wraith lance Feb 17, 2019, 3:36 PM

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So WG made a camo for raid but didn't ask them for feedback? Lol

quick lichen Feb 17, 2019, 3:39 PM

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@wraith lance nope

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Just goes to show how disconnected they are from their own community

dusky oxide Feb 17, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Indeed

granite dock Feb 17, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Or they dont wanna deal with waiting an arguring so they just dealt qith the skin thwy have and were "happy"

dusky oxide Feb 17, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Thats what we're saying. They took no input and their only goal was to make another product to sell.

granite dock Feb 17, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Mhm

grave bear Feb 17, 2019, 7:37 PM

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E50m is good as it is. it's the biggest med tank, with the weakest side armor, around worse acceleration speed.

median gust Feb 17, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Good joke

dusky oxide Feb 17, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Holy hell its hard to fight against an e50m when youre in a tier 9 med/light

median gust Feb 17, 2019, 7:42 PM

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Grille is so bad atm Raik I agree with you 100%

E50M's so OP against same tier meds...

grave bear Feb 17, 2019, 7:52 PM

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....

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im sure that e50m would be useless if nerfed.

median gust Feb 17, 2019, 7:53 PM

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And yes, I do have the tank...

grave bear Feb 17, 2019, 7:55 PM

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which one is better for flanking a maus/e100? t62a or e50m? ... you cant say e50m is better because it can kill ezly other meds, because you're not always doing point blank 1v1 against another med.

lyric shore Feb 17, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Dude why do you even bother asking if you try to reply to urself
Thou it's no easy thing to asnwer, T62 is better for it having better turret armor and a flatter silhouette but E50M has better HEAT pen

rancid flame Feb 17, 2019, 7:59 PM

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T62 A and E50 M are just different, one's not necessarily stronger than the other. For example, there are a bunch of positions that the E50 M cannot take because it's so huge while the 62A can

lyric shore Feb 17, 2019, 7:59 PM

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ok it does not lol

rancid flame Feb 17, 2019, 8:00 PM

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Weakpoints on the 50 and 50M are both hella massive as well

loud gazelle Feb 17, 2019, 8:05 PM

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@dusky oxide all good points. Especially the part about if strong in one area weak in another. That’s when so many TDS are soft skinned or slow. Your point about premiums only earning extra credit is spot on. Many premiums are less capable than line tanks. I just think the strengths of tanks ought to be celebrated instead of everyone complaining and wanting every tank balanced. That way you have to consider tank’s weakness while taking advantage of its strength.

indigo knot Feb 17, 2019, 9:00 PM

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E3 and E50M were the tanks that were left behind .... but after the buff they are now where they belong and are good strong tanks......

grave bear Feb 17, 2019, 9:18 PM

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i always used and preferred e50m over all tier X meds. just because i dont like soviet meds playstyle

twilit crystal Feb 17, 2019, 9:20 PM

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the maus is probably the one scenario where id rather be in a t62a

exotic moth Feb 17, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Please BUFF T49

distant river Feb 17, 2019, 9:42 PM

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Just the accuracy ^

unique scaffold Feb 17, 2019, 9:47 PM

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I just got a whole team of 45% and lower and they rushed and pushed and we got steamrolled. All the people who play this game cuz there bored and are bad always have to end up on my team this isn’t balance

distant river Feb 17, 2019, 9:47 PM

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random battles

dusky oxide Feb 17, 2019, 9:48 PM

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@loud gazelle Thanks. Youre right, we do complain about tanks here more than we compliment them. We are very critical and there isnt much trust put on wgs efforts to balance the game. Its the same with the forum. But I personally see where that cynicism derived from. Wargaming is a relatively new and inexperienced game company and it shows. Most attempts to improve game balance are always long overdue and there's been cases where the issue isnt resolved so much as a new one is created. This is what happened with 3.8.
The fact of life is that nothing is fair. Neither is WotB but removing aspects from the game that make the game experience stagnant and not worthwhile would be a much more efficient process if there wasn't such a big disconnect between the game company and the audience. People would like to be in contact with wg in other ways than their wallet. Up to this point there's been only one in-game poll.

distant river Feb 17, 2019, 9:49 PM

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You can still win a battle no matter what tank you're in, it just gets more difficult

dusky oxide Feb 17, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Sure you can, what annoys me is that you can get the same result with half the effort if you play another tank.

distant river Feb 17, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Part of the skill is picking which tank to play (only a tiny part though)

atomic hound Feb 17, 2019, 10:05 PM

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I'm afraid you'll all have to excuse @grave bear he is well known in our clan for going on about the e50m constantly... 😂

grave bear Feb 17, 2019, 10:06 PM

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gg

atomic hound Feb 17, 2019, 10:06 PM

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Lol

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 10:07 PM

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The E50M is great for 1v1ing other mediums and bullying low tiers. But in the current meta it’s just not as good as some other meds. And I’m not saying it’s a bad tank, but other tanks just tend to fair much better against big heavies and TDS

grave bear Feb 17, 2019, 10:08 PM

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wtf, am i dumb or i just saw "wargaming is a new Company"

atomic hound Feb 17, 2019, 10:08 PM

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E50m is currently the 2nd best med after the Patton, idk what you're on about. Since the gun depression buff it has been incredibly powerful @teal olive

grave bear Feb 17, 2019, 10:09 PM

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wtf? when it got gun depression buff?

atomic hound Feb 17, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Lol. It used to have 6° over the front, now 8°

grave bear Feb 17, 2019, 10:09 PM

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thought was always -8 degrees, they only buffed dpm
lmao never saw that

teal olive Feb 17, 2019, 10:10 PM

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Oh yeah, I’m not saying it’s bad at all! It’s just that other tanks can be better against heavies and TDs. The thing is a total beast and medium killer.

atomic hound Feb 17, 2019, 10:10 PM

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@grave bear no.

grave bear Feb 17, 2019, 10:11 PM

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there are players saying "omg e50m op pls nerf" and others saying that it's the worst against non-medium targets. that's why wg doesnt care of players.

atomic hound Feb 17, 2019, 10:12 PM

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If they didn't care then the 183 would have been untouched.

grave bear Feb 17, 2019, 10:12 PM

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they did because everyone is saying "plz remove fv183" since it got introduced

atomic hound Feb 17, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Exactly my point.

grave bear Feb 17, 2019, 10:13 PM

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^, not everyone is saying "omg e50m is op plz nerf it and make it equal to e50" so, wg doesnt care.

dusky oxide Feb 17, 2019, 10:14 PM

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@distant river surely that can't be good for the game. Skill should be in playing a tank in the right way.

atomic hound Feb 17, 2019, 10:14 PM

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I'll be long dead by the time the grille 15 gets the buffs it desperately needs...

distant river Feb 17, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Yes but it also comes from choosing thr tank as well. You can play the VK30.01D as well as you like, but its still a bad tank

dusky oxide Feb 17, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Unfortunatelu true.

distant river Feb 17, 2019, 10:23 PM

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Then again stick your average 48% player in a WZ 120 1 FT and he will have 60% in that tank in no time

lone warren Feb 17, 2019, 10:29 PM

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That tank lmao
Pretty much everyone I know can get around high 2k-3k average damage in it lmao

junior tulip Feb 17, 2019, 10:30 PM

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You know someone's bad when they don't do good in that tank @lone warren

lone warren Feb 17, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Probably

distant river Feb 17, 2019, 10:35 PM

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Although tbh the last couple of wzs ove seen have died pretty quick

dusky oxide Feb 17, 2019, 10:37 PM

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I've met a swedish toon that drive them often. I was tooning with my mate in su-101s trying to hunt them down.

twilit crystal Feb 17, 2019, 10:38 PM

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i literall y had a wz 120 with a60% winrate yolo my t59 in the begining of the game. such a dumb tank. No other tank would yolo that hard. Thank god I had td support

distant river Feb 17, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Hahaha soumds like a good plan to me , just i would use an RU or an ISU @dusky oxide

tropic tide Feb 17, 2019, 10:39 PM

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I think t44-100 needs a small buff
Either gundepression or mobility or turret amor

loud gazelle Feb 17, 2019, 10:39 PM

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@dusky oxide thanks

distant river Feb 17, 2019, 10:39 PM

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T-44-100 definitely needs a buff, because its basically a bad T-44

tropic tide Feb 17, 2019, 10:41 PM

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@distant river nah i would not say its bad tank, its just slightly worse than normal t44 but has a better gun ... but this gun doesnt make up for the lack of gundepression and mobility

distant river Feb 17, 2019, 10:42 PM

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And worse front armour

dusky oxide Feb 17, 2019, 10:42 PM

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@distant river yeah that couldve yielded better results but it was more fun to beat them a couple times in a budget version of their tank, on hard mode i guess.

distant river Feb 17, 2019, 10:42 PM

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Lol budget version😂

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I would have prefered an RU so i could get behind them, but shoot other people to annoy then

dusky oxide Feb 17, 2019, 10:48 PM

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I bet you could HEP that chinese ammorack of theirs and get some exciting results

distant river Feb 17, 2019, 10:48 PM

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As i have dont many a time

dusky oxide Feb 17, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Su-101 is really a novel tank. It has most of the traits the wz has, even better speed and 20hp more alpha. But the gun arc and gun gun depression are problematic as hell. I bet wz feels very vanilla.

grave bear Feb 17, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Remember that su101 has the highest tier 8 gold pen (even if it's less than su100m1, still op)
and ofc it's more accurate.

dusky oxide Feb 17, 2019, 10:59 PM

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@grave bear would u rather have pen or less aim time?

grave bear Feb 17, 2019, 11:08 PM

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less aim time
in a fast flanker ofc.
but having both pen and accuracy makes laser guns . and i love these. Fv215b, conq, lowe, tiger II, Obj263, my fav tanks.

dusky oxide Feb 17, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Hmm, id rather have the pen just to feel good going through is5 pikenoses like butter. Youre right, less aim time would be better overall. And you can spare to waste a few prammo rounds if its a premium.

twilit crystal Feb 18, 2019, 1:53 AM

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aim time is generally useless. Need to know what the gun dispersion stats are

dim field Feb 18, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Aim time is how long it takes for the circle to reach its smallest point. That's really useful

pastel marlin Feb 18, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Plz e50m nerf.. it just eats all. Dpm, ramming, armour, maneuverbulity is just too op

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Armour and ramming of ht, dpm and maneuverability of mt. Top speed is light tank ish

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 4:00 AM

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Thats quite an exaggeration

drifting heath Feb 18, 2019, 4:02 AM

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The less aim time the less chance your shell is going off target

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 4:05 AM

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If you are playing a med and going head on against an E50m then you are doing it wrong

rotund portal Feb 18, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Um excuse me Wargaming but why the 👿 was my honour rating decreased?! I had a five star rating and after 2 weeks I go online and it's down to TWO. FIX THIS PLEASE.

unique scaffold Feb 18, 2019, 4:10 AM

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they should have just kept the turret the normal 185 on the e50m instead of buffing it to 250

quick lichen Feb 18, 2019, 4:11 AM

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@rotund portal what’s that got to do with tank balance?

rotund portal Feb 18, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Sorry I don't remember which section I should post that in this is the closest one

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But speaking of tank balance how about we undo the tech tree changes from update 5.5?

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They stink. The concept of collector vehicles stinks. I'm not the only one who thinks this.

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Oh yeah can we have HE back for low tier tanks? Großtrakktor is unplayable now because of this

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And yes I know BT-7 art is an exception. Its HE is the only reason why people play that tank.

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T-44-100 is also in need of buffs, and bad. I suggest a more powerful engine, and slightly stronger frontal hull armour.

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Lets make t44100 a Mod1

rotund portal Feb 18, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Lol that'd be nice

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Lol

rotund portal Feb 18, 2019, 4:21 AM

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Mod 1 could be faster though

unique scaffold Feb 18, 2019, 4:57 AM

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switch grille with waffle

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grille mad doodoo

uncut fractal Feb 18, 2019, 5:16 AM

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grille should get a fully traversable turret then i might consider selling my wt auf

visual nimbus Feb 18, 2019, 5:20 AM

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I heard talk of the E3 getting a possible nerf? I personally think it’s just fine imo

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 5:33 AM

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Yup thats what I have been saying E3 and E50m have finally been buffed to the point where they are competitive.....No point nerf these tanks they are just good not OP......

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Many rush at them and let them play at there strength...then say that it is OP

visual nimbus Feb 18, 2019, 5:50 AM

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Exactly

teal olive Feb 18, 2019, 6:01 AM

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Lol wouldn’t be surprised to see WG nerf the 50M. We can’t have any high tier Germans that are actually good

cunning kindle Feb 18, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Maus has been the highest wr heavy for so long now

tawdry moat Feb 18, 2019, 6:23 AM

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Possible nerf for the e3? Why? Only thing i can see it getting a nerf is mobility. Its not OP by any means.

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 6:25 AM

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The only tech tree tier 10 tank that I feel too strong is Is4 ......

tawdry moat Feb 18, 2019, 6:27 AM

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They just need to make other tanks competitive. Hint hint fv4202.. buff that thing.. and would really love the see the fv215b come in to action, and be the big bully again.

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 6:28 AM

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What would you buff in that tank????

tawdry moat Feb 18, 2019, 6:28 AM

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Fv4202 needs a turret buff. Leopard 1 bounces more shots then the fv4202 does xD

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 6:29 AM

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That would kind of make that tank Op .... coz the hull is one of the strongest

bronze temple Feb 18, 2019, 6:31 AM

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@indigo knot right... If the turret gets a buff it will be Op

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 6:32 AM

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If you use full 10 deg gun dep ....you will bounce some shots from the turret from meds only though.....Leo1 is paper thin if you bounce it then rng has left your side

tawdry moat Feb 18, 2019, 6:32 AM

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A slight turret buff doesnt make it OP.. and how it has '196mm' of armour.. but a fly can penetrate it..

cunning kindle Feb 18, 2019, 6:34 AM

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It actually does make it op, good turret ,good hull, great gun dep , great mobility, great shells, good camo

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 6:35 AM

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Yup fully agree

cunning kindle Feb 18, 2019, 6:35 AM

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^^^ if i gets turret buff. I'd rather see the centurion replace it

tawdry moat Feb 18, 2019, 6:37 AM

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I rather see the cent action 10 replace it now lol, though i love the fv4202 now. And it doesnt have great mobility, not the worse but not the best. The hull isnt the best either, however pretty good. Excellent shells agreed, and dont know the camo rating.

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The fv4202 as of right now, is a fun tank to play. But it easily gets outclassed by many other meds..

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 6:41 AM

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If i remember it correctly the hull is one of the best in all tank....only tds with there premium rounds can pen it and some heavys too if on flat ground.....

tawdry moat Feb 18, 2019, 6:41 AM

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Not really, can always hit lower plate. The e50m, and patton in my opinion have a much better hull.

quick lichen Feb 18, 2019, 6:43 AM

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The upper plate is the only bit of armor the fv 4202 has and part of that is that it’s at an auto bounce angle

tawdry moat Feb 18, 2019, 6:45 AM

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Yep.. and apparently the so called '196mm' of armour of the turret. Would like to see those compartments being spaced armour.. not a design only thing..

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The e50m, has stepper angles on the hull, and the m48 patton is roudish. And produces lots of trolly bounces. So dont see how the fv4202 hull can compare, except maybe the side skirts..

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Also suffers the same problem like leopard, that the engine deck is raised quite high so the gun cant fully depress once its facing the back. Which can get in the way with shooting people at your rear. Or shooting while running..

pastel marlin Feb 18, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Having a 1 vs 1 head on with E-50M as a medium tank is literally suicidal. However, eventhough mediums are in defensive positions in order to stop E-50M, it rushes and just deals 700 dmg with pure ramming. And mediums cannot run away, due to E-50M's superior gun handling keep tracking mediums. What is more important, in random battles, teamwork is not a word that exists. Teammate would rather like to shoot other enemies eventhough E-50M is 70m far away, when mt is spamming for help. So, tactically aggressive E-50M in random battle is literally unstoppable, due to ineffective teamwrok going on with heavies and tds.

unique scaffold Feb 18, 2019, 8:00 AM

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So technically the E 50 M isn’t OP but the teams are selfish/don’t pay attention to each other

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 8:02 AM

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Yup E50M isn't Op....its just a strong tank that has finally been made competitive

pastel marlin Feb 18, 2019, 8:02 AM

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Yeap. That's correct. In my 4000 battle in tier 10 and 700 battles in tournaments, E 50 M is not as that powerful as random battles, at Tournaments. We just need more balanced matchmaking, where no 4 ppl in our team do 0 dmg, and I lose with 6.2k dmg and 6 kills.

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 8:04 AM

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That happens to all..... I have had fair share of these battle but had those battles to where I do below 500 dmg and team carries me....

pastel marlin Feb 18, 2019, 8:04 AM

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Balanced matchmaking, and making team to focus fire is the key. Rather than current chat system, why don't we add voice to these chats so televisioning tds can actually sometimes hear?

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World of Warhsips PC for example, has voice on simplified chats. I think WotB developers can add some enhancements to some chat keys so somewhat teammates who are not paying attention to upper chatting screen can actually hear what teammates are requesting.

unique scaffold Feb 18, 2019, 8:07 AM

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WoWsB has voice on quick commands too, but I switched it off because tired of spam

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 8:08 AM

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The most Op thing in blitz is platooning with someone of your or higher skill level ...... Do that if you are sick of teams

unique scaffold Feb 18, 2019, 8:09 AM

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The most OP thing is platooning OP tanks

tawdry moat Feb 18, 2019, 8:12 AM

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Platoon with 2 autoloaders, and a good friend.. youll do good.. hint hint 2 is3d when they first came out... i totally didnt do that a couple of times...( i did)

shy wren Feb 18, 2019, 8:13 AM

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You can combine both to make the most op combo @unique scaffold

unique scaffold Feb 18, 2019, 8:13 AM

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Helsing platoons were worse because those things can go 60 kph and has way faster reload

bitter oyster Feb 18, 2019, 8:33 AM

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looks at m60 winrate to damage

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 10:31 AM

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@pastel marlin true though most e50ms i see rushing do it in no way a tactical fashion. And they still get away with it...

pastel marlin Feb 18, 2019, 10:36 AM

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E 50m has
High end dpm
Best gun accuracy and handling
Best survivability among all mts
Best armour, almost ht
60kph speed and uncircleable traverse speed
Great gun mantle which trolls all the shots
Not bad pen
Ramming does more damage than amx 50b, which is 50kph heavy

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 10:57 AM

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I wouldnt mind a med being a bit op if it did that with something else than armor. Now its just another counter to other mediums... As if there's not enough of those.

west torrent Feb 18, 2019, 11:38 AM

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E50M has
The second lowest DPM of all tier 10 mediums
Second worst gun handling while traversing
Decent gun handling while sitting still
It may have 60 kmh top speed but it’s has the worst overall traverse and terrain resistances.
It doesn’t really have a gun mantlet, and can be ripped apart through the checks by some shots that are aimed it.

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If you turn the turret much to angle the frontal plate, you expose the weak side armor of the turret

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The E50M is very flat and can lose its armor angles pretty easily

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And it’s pen is 245 the average pen of tier 10 mediums, which still isn’t that great when you consider that heavies start at about 258-262 avg pen, and tds even higher

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Sure the E50M can rush in and ram, but normally to do that to a tank you expose yourself to a lot of fire into your side. I find if I ran anything at all, it’s like the last enemy Alive

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 12:34 PM

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@west torrent why do you post an image of an armor profile without also showing the shooters pen? What makes the tank hard to counter is that it can facehug mediums that cant pen its upper plate while still having the 8° of gd to shoot down at theirs. The only reliable way to beat it in a brawl is to sidehug it and that doesnt work as well with other than soviet/chinese meds. And while not having much traverse, it has a good power to weight ratio. It can just ram and lock down another med without much skill needed.

west torrent Feb 18, 2019, 12:43 PM

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What med are you trying to brawl a E50M with that it can shoot down on you easily and that you can’t simply look up into its turret checks?

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 12:50 PM

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Shooting its turret cheeks wont matter anymore after youve lost too much hp to ramming.

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Keep in mind im talking about a very specific situation here. My only gripe about the tank is that its a way to weaponize rushing low skill players and award them.

west torrent Feb 18, 2019, 12:54 PM

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Back up when it’s trying to ram you, you minimize so much damage

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Most tanks it can’t pen the turret of, just farm it if it try’s to yolo you.

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I feel like if you don’t play it right with your aggression, you just end up getting killed.

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 12:57 PM

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Thats true, which is why so ive seen so many e50s rush in on a one target at the start of the game and die.

undone coral Feb 18, 2019, 1:24 PM

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@west torrent what tank did you use choose to shoot at the e50m in inspector to get that image and what shell?

alpine lichen Feb 18, 2019, 1:26 PM

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🤔

undone coral Feb 18, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Also most German tanks are designed to fight at long range anyways. E50m has great accuracy with armour that can hold up very well at long ranges against ap and apcr. Against heat, the inaccuracy at long range will likely cause the enemy to hit the mantlet when hull down

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Also check what the thing looks like to every tier 10 med in the game when heat is loaded. The upper plate, mantlet and cheeks remain very strong. It’s a superb med brawler if you know what you’re doing

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I bet you got a heavy firing heat to get that image. E50m is not designed to fight heavys like most other meds. Leave that to the Patton

lone warren Feb 18, 2019, 1:35 PM

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😂👌

unique scaffold Feb 18, 2019, 1:36 PM

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Hallo

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 1:44 PM

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@alpine lichen why does T22 require any buff when it is already Op

west torrent Feb 18, 2019, 1:47 PM

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@undone coral I used an IS-4, that image isnt to highlight its armor, I needed something to show the tank doesnt really have a gun mantlet

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and a distinct red and green armor model shows it

cunning kindle Feb 18, 2019, 1:55 PM

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U kidding me? T22 buff, no way

alpine lichen Feb 18, 2019, 1:59 PM

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😂

undone coral Feb 18, 2019, 2:02 PM

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Welp lone’s message being deleted says two things:
-no one has humour
-opinions aren’t allowed anyways even in a joke

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 2:03 PM

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😂

undone coral Feb 18, 2019, 2:04 PM

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I think the thing people don’t get about the t22 medium is the strange way the armour works. It relies solely on auto ricochets

alpine lichen Feb 18, 2019, 2:04 PM

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I see humor and opinions aren't allowed on here. The E50m doesn't need tweaking at all. Complaining that it gets penned by prammo is the same as me complaining about the t22 medium armour.
I think I confirmed one thing here people are easy to brand a premium tank OP or unworthy of a buff unlike tech tree tanks.

undone coral Feb 18, 2019, 2:05 PM

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As a result it’s hard to say if it’s op or not since nothing really compares to it. Although the turret having no weakspots is a little op (either that or it’s almost invisible in game like on the is7

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also on that prammo note everything can be penned with prammo. It’s just a case of what sort of gun it’s designed to face. The e50m’s cheeks and upper plate are red against med prammo. Combine that with the fact that there’s a small circle inside the green area to bait shots and you have yourself a nice brawler against meds

alpine lichen Feb 18, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Nah the turret has zero weakspots unless you fire onto it from above. The two cupolas on it are purely visual in terms of verticle hight but do mark two easy pen zones on the top of the turret if you can fire down onto it.

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Got to love when usual weak spots on a tank actually don't exist in terms of the hit model

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 2:12 PM

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I have no qualms with armour but why does a tank that is so much well armoured has that good dpm...... armour is defining characteristic of the tank but why so high dpm

undone coral Feb 18, 2019, 2:12 PM

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It’s to balance out the terrible pen and gun handling. And the armour is balanced by a meh mobility (an e6 can accelerate faster than it XD)

lone warren Feb 18, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Please buff deathstar it doesnt have enough pen

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Its has almost the same gun stats of 140....

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Even an obj140 can go through the e50m turret with prammo and not using calibrated shells.

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undone coral Feb 18, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Well duh. Everything can with prammo. That’s where techniques like wiggling, moving back and forth and baiting comes into play. Same story with obj140, fv4202, etc

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 2:14 PM

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@undone coral theres one reliable way we can look at the question of it being op or not and thats its avg wr and dmg.

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@undone coral true its not just static point and shooting

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Thats very high, higher than an is4

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undone coral Feb 18, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Interesting. I checked blitz stars and it shows a win rate of 48.67% XD. Sounds meh but compared to the other tier 10 meds that’s actually quite good

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indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 2:18 PM

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undone coral Feb 18, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Seems like the E50m is performing very well across the entire board

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 2:22 PM

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E50m and E3 buff have made them competitive but not OP. They have finally been buffed to the level where they deserve.

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 2:22 PM

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@undone coral this is blitzstars

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undone coral Feb 18, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Poor 183. Absolutely didn’t deserve it’s nerf XD

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 2:23 PM

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What is "minimum of tier x 10"?

undone coral Feb 18, 2019, 2:24 PM

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I think it means only players who have at least 1 tier 10

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 2:25 PM

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You mean at least 10? But yes, i understand what youre saying

undone coral Feb 18, 2019, 2:25 PM

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Either way, both wg’s data and blitz stars data shows the tank is performing well

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 2:26 PM

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But its not over performing like Vk100p

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Performing tank doesn't mean it needs nerf ....in blitzstars the win rate is below 140 and it is just a little difference bet patton and e50m in WR in the other WR chart

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 2:33 PM

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I wouldnt call it ideal. Its one of those tanks that take less skill to use and still do pretty well in all aspects.

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If the is4 is not ok, why is the e50m?

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8° of gun depression is too generous.

wraith lance Feb 18, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Yeah the gun depression buff was uncalled for tbh

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 2:40 PM

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Every med tank takes skill to drive ....unlike Is4 which you think is underpowered compared to E50m ....

cunning kindle Feb 18, 2019, 2:41 PM

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Shhh i just got the 50m, lemme enjoy it, but yea its a bit too good atm

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 2:41 PM

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In is4 if you cant pen simply dab 2 key and get 374 heat and go through front of maus and reliably bounce its shell too

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 2:42 PM

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@indigo knot nobody said is4 is underpowered compared to anything. And clearly not every med takes the same amount of skill to play. Would you choose to play a leo 1 or an fv4202 rather than an e50m if you wanted easy results and were a 45%er?

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Well I would surely use E50m over them(both demand high skill level and are not easy to play) but over E50m i would choose patton and 140 too.....

quick lichen Feb 18, 2019, 3:13 PM

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@alpine lichen @undone coral comments were deleted because of trolling. It’s obvious to most that it was a joke but it won’t be to everyone

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 3:16 PM

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@quick lichen what is your opinion on e50m???? op or competitive

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 3:17 PM

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@indigo knot if you were a 45%er? I dont think 140 is a noob friendly tank anymore. And while patton is a jack of all trades, it doesnt compare to the way you can just force your way in an e50m in a 1v1.

undone coral Feb 18, 2019, 3:18 PM

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@indigo knot he's not allowed to give opinions like everyone else here XD

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 3:20 PM

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☹️

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 3:22 PM

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I think a competitive tank is very good in the hands of an experienced player and an op tank is good in the hands of any player.

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 3:22 PM

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@dusky oxide a 45% can't make e50m work either ....he is just gonna expose lower plate ..... won't know the concept of gun dep and is simply gonna yolo or sit with tds sniping

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Maybe not at the start of the battle but its still just a medium. Im talking about a brawl. And an e50m gets plenty of bounces when its on the move. @indigo knot

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 3:26 PM

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That way t54 is also Op still coz it is gonna get troll bounces during a brawl

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 3:31 PM

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It'll get bounces but it doesnt have the gun performance and versatility to be as good as an e50m is in other situations, tier for tier ofc. E50m gets the bounces and the ram dmg but can still snipe and boast a good power to weight ratio. @indigo knot

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 3:37 PM

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E50m can't circle hts effectively even after boasting that great power to wt ratio

quick lichen Feb 18, 2019, 3:38 PM

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@indigo knot I don’t think the e50m is broken by any means

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It’s very good in the right hands

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 3:38 PM

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So, competitive?

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@indigo knot it cant sidehug like the russians/chinese can so i guess theres always a bigger fish. Its kind of a med bully then.

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Yup its always been a med bully but with buff it has become strong and popular

modern rapids Feb 18, 2019, 3:41 PM

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It. Can't side hug. But can face hug

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 3:42 PM

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A grille would sometimes bounce on that upper plate.

quick lichen Feb 18, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Grille needs a buff badly

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Can't face hug hts effectively ....they are gonna pen the turret with ap rounds many times

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 3:47 PM

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I think they gave the e50m so much gd because that turret isnt very strong. Its still not a big target though.

indigo knot Feb 18, 2019, 3:50 PM

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The sides aren't that good ...the profile is huge

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Well gun depression allows you to hide it, thats why it ended up making a big effect.

quick lichen Feb 18, 2019, 4:04 PM

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8* is hardly a ton of gun depression

cunning kindle Feb 18, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Its pretty good doe

quick lichen Feb 18, 2019, 4:06 PM

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It’s acceptable

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The turret is still prone to heat spam

cunning kindle Feb 18, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Yea and if u look even a bit to side, its pennable bu standard ammo so ehh

median gust Feb 18, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Grille nerf never should’ve happened

supple lintel Feb 18, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Grille's gun is crazily good

unique scaffold Feb 18, 2019, 7:10 PM

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the only part of it thats above average....

quick lichen Feb 18, 2019, 7:30 PM

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Grille’s gun is over rated

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Lacks ap pen and the second you move, your gun bloom is that of the 121

supple lintel Feb 18, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Thats true but why would u move when setting up a shot😂

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Also the shell velocity is quite good

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I dont think the AP pen is a huge problem, but u do need quite some HEAT to deal with IS4s and Maus

ripe oasis Feb 18, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Make the KPZ HE not useless

supple lintel Feb 18, 2019, 8:55 PM

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haha true😂 its got quite good penetration honestly. My wz113 got HEed by kpz's HE once

visual nimbus Feb 18, 2019, 8:56 PM

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I think the Grille is pretty balanced besides the traverse

supple lintel Feb 18, 2019, 8:56 PM

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true

ripe oasis Feb 18, 2019, 8:57 PM

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It's HE literally does maybe 80 more dmg than the AP

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It's avp AP dmg is the same as the t49. It's HE only does as much as a normal 150 avg AP making it pointless. It's HE should do the same avg as the t49 HE

Just an opinion

dusky oxide Feb 18, 2019, 10:02 PM

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Kpz HE is more useful when you use it to splash.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 1:20 AM

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@supple lintel the AP pen on the grille is lower than every single tier x td and for a tank that relies on its gun for everything that's kinda bad

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And you cant expect a grille to be completely still when shooting either

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Grille has kinda good gun depression

supple lintel Feb 19, 2019, 2:00 AM

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@unique scaffold just bout the same as foch155

visual nimbus Feb 19, 2019, 2:03 AM

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I think the grill is fine..so easy to get high damage games in it. Definitely does it’s job well imo

pastel marlin Feb 19, 2019, 2:07 AM

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Grille is fine. It has 45 degree turret, so when sniping, it dont breaks the camo

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 3:08 AM

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The Churchill VII should get a small to medium buff
The arl 44 should Receive a pen nerf and a small nerf to reload

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@supple lintel foch has much better mobility and armor you cant compare the 2

supple lintel Feb 19, 2019, 3:15 AM

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yes thats true

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 3:16 AM

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@iron lynx only over the sides?? And @pastel marlin you do realize the grille has the worst camo out of every tier x td so you'll probably get spotted every time you shoot

supple lintel Feb 19, 2019, 3:16 AM

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no fking way

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 3:17 AM

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I agree that the Grille 15 could use a camo buff tho

pastel marlin Feb 19, 2019, 3:40 AM

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Doesnt matter whne ur out of enemies spotting range, which many grilles do

open lynx Feb 19, 2019, 3:43 AM

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xd

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 3:59 AM

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How's that gonna work out with these small maps

pastel marlin Feb 19, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Also 15m bush always work

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 5:09 AM

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I think 112 glacial needs speed buff, like 35km per hour is enough , bc 32km per hour is too slow

quick remnant Feb 19, 2019, 5:30 AM

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@unique scaffold How well you play the 112 Glacial tank?

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 5:45 AM

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@quick remnant well i mastered twice but i consider myself as a médium player, so its my point of view

quick remnant Feb 19, 2019, 5:46 AM

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Were they gonna sell the 112 Glacial again?

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 5:50 AM

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I won it at the New lunar year

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So idk dude, sorry

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 7:08 AM

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There's too much IS-X clones rn

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:08 AM

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Too late you can’t remove 'em

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For god’s sake remove БЛ-10 on ИСУ-152 and replace it with the БЛ-4С WG

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 7:12 AM

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It's kinda the iconic gun on the tank tho

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:12 AM

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But it’s beyond broken

dim field Feb 19, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Assuming their talking about Isu bl-10? Honestly it's fine.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:15 AM

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286mm pen, 14.4 secs reload without equipment and provisions, good accuracy...how is that fine
Platoons of those are dreadful to play against

dim field Feb 19, 2019, 7:17 AM

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It's on a pretty low hp turretless Td that has very meh armor not to mention the gun has a lovely tendency to hit tracks or just flatout miss targets when 98% of the target is within the circle.

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The Isu literally puts just about everything it has into it's gun.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:19 AM

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The mobility is good enough for such armor. And bad luck isn’t a balancing factor

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 7:19 AM

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The ISU-152 job is to bring the gun around.
Like the Emil.
The ISU chassis itself isn't as good.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:21 AM

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Having a good gun ? Ok. But having better fire rate than tier 10 tanks (such as T110E4), similar pen and good accuracy doesn’t fit well tier 8 IMHO

dim field Feb 19, 2019, 7:22 AM

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But again it's on a turretless Td that doesn't have a lot of hp or armor. Compare it to the other T8 Tds.

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Well the Emil can outgun tier 9s too
If it remains unspotted

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Well, compared to Rhm, it has no turret but better accuracy, pen and fire rate, not to mention HE from any gun will destroy easily Rhm. Rhm has better camo though. JPII or SU-101 have better mobility and superstructure armor, but the guns are worse and the engine easily hit if not hulldown.

@iron lynx Emil hasn’t better gun that JagdTiger or T30 if I remember well or other tier 9

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Example

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dim field Feb 19, 2019, 7:27 AM

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That's the trade off. Rhm can use cover easier than isu does. The turret and camo make it easier gor rhm to get a shot off and does similar damage to ISU

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:28 AM

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But 215 pen and 16 secs reload balances well that gun
While ISU negates armor and reload faster

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 7:30 AM

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Mmm
ISU doesn't negate armor
LTTB bounces it

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:30 AM

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You have to be very unlucky

wicked raven Feb 19, 2019, 7:30 AM

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Soviet bias will lead the wæ

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 7:31 AM

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Btw, the ISU-152 only good thing is its gun.
Basically nothing else.
Imagine getting flanked by a TD.
The ISU could.

wicked raven Feb 19, 2019, 7:31 AM

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🇷🇺 🇷🇺 🇷🇺

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:32 AM

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Basically every TD can get flanked by another if not careful enough or if the TD is a WZ-120-1G FT.

wicked raven Feb 19, 2019, 7:32 AM

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Hahaha

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Maybe add a bit of HP if the BL-10 is removed
And ISU’s mobility is more than decent

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 7:33 AM

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I might say the BL-10 would stay for a long time, if not forever

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:34 AM

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That sounds pessimistic to me

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Btw you made me notice the heavenly aim time of Sturer Emil

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 7:35 AM

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If more than 70% of the community wants it removed, then sure, it might get replaced earlier.
But I don't think that's the case as of now.

And yes, join the Emil appreciation club.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:36 AM

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WG balances their tanks out of stats, and the community isn’t really the smartest I’ve seen

I’ve always loved the Emil even pre-buff

coarse harness Feb 19, 2019, 7:37 AM

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What buff ?

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:38 AM

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Frontal armor

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 7:38 AM

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Imagine meeting a KV-2 face-to-face
And you bounced a 550 alpha shot on your gun mantlet

dim field Feb 19, 2019, 7:39 AM

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Hopefully they don't remove the BL-10. It doesn't negate armor either. Hulldown heavies still can pose a problem and being turretless gives it a major weakness. 14 seconds is a lot of time for an advancing med to close the distance an circle of death you. Isi also has some bad gd so lining up a shot and getting back into cover isn't always easy

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 7:39 AM

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Hey, I've bounced twice, consecutively from a KV-2 Menacing.
Idk why he didn't use HE but its hilarious

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:40 AM

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14 secs is without equipment and provisions. It can go down to 12. And it does negate armor. It can pen an hulldown T34

dim field Feb 19, 2019, 7:40 AM

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Can't pen their turret that easily.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:40 AM

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With that accuracy, yes it can. Also most of TDs are turretless

dim field Feb 19, 2019, 7:41 AM

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Nope

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 7:43 AM

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Well, I have never actually encountered an ISU-152 who gives me trouble, except when I'm really low on HP to the point of HE-splashing death.
I'd fear Rhms more.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:44 AM

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1 is bearable, platoon of them makes me think of murder

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 7:44 AM

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I've platooned with an ISU-152 before
In my Rhm
It's like doomsday for the enemies
Split-second 152mm doubletap is amazing

dim field Feb 19, 2019, 7:45 AM

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Being strong toon tank doesn't make it unbalanced in solo que

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:46 AM

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It’s already broken solo. And remember when the SP 1 C was nerfed because too dangerous platoons

dim field Feb 19, 2019, 7:48 AM

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It's not broken.
Sacrifices almost everything for its gun.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:49 AM

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If by almost everything you mean 10mm of armor, you’re right. But it has decent speed and enough armor not to get HE spammed

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 7:50 AM

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Imo the problem with ISU-152 compared to the Rhm is that they're kinda predictable.
If the ISU isn't in that hilltop bush, then it should be camping on the sniper spot next to the rock.
You can rest assured tha it won't roll out of a corner and peek-a-boo you and escape unscathed.
Problem is, the Rhm could.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:51 AM

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That’s camo but doesn’t makes it balanced imho

dim field Feb 19, 2019, 7:52 AM

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coarse harness Feb 19, 2019, 7:52 AM

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That tank is good and nothing else
Stop complaining about good tanks to make it bad like the 183

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:53 AM

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It’s not good. It’s beyond broken and so was 183.
Plus this server is here for feedback and I am free to give mine

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 7:55 AM

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It has real bad mobility for such a thinly-armored tank.
Almost every single TD except the Rhm has more frontal armor than it.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:55 AM

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The mobility is decent to good imo

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 7:56 AM

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Imo not good enough for 80mm of frontal armor.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 7:57 AM

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42 kph, decent traverse. I see no problem here

dim field Feb 19, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Turretless.
Mobility isn't good enough to stop a med from circle of deathing it.

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If it was broken then it wou have crazy high armor and hp

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 8:01 AM

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The only tank that has good enough mobility to stop a med from CoD it is the WZ-120-1G FT and is totally OP
I’m telling ISU is broken and not OP. Give it BL-4S which is more balanced for tier 8, then give it maybe more HP or traverse

dim field Feb 19, 2019, 8:03 AM

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I'm telling you it's not broken.
If it's gun was on a turreted tank then maybe it would be broken.

The BL-10 is fine.

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 8:03 AM

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Um
I would say the Jagdpanther 2 and SU101 could also stop CoD meds
And the others (again, except Rhm) don't get full damage from HE thru the sides

umbral hound Feb 19, 2019, 8:04 AM

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I am not an expert or anything but I just grinded through the ISU-152 and it felt pretty strong. I don't know about OP but it for sure felt really strong

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 8:05 AM

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The FV183 (which you referenced earlier) has a thick turret and 45 degrees of turret traverse, and that makes it broken.
The ISU isn't broken.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 8:05 AM

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JP II And SU-101 haven’t got enough traverse, and easily hit engine. Idk how you got the side of an ISU with your Rhm, but he must be unlucky or bad. Also you can HE JPII as well

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A tank can be broken in different ways than 183’s one. If you give a tank 200mm armor all around and no gun at tier 5, then it’ll be broken even if it has 1 degree of traverse and no turret

dim field Feb 19, 2019, 8:10 AM

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The Isu is strong, but it's not broken or op. It's balanced low Hp low armor meh motility and loses flexibility due to being turretless. Sure it can pen a lot but it can also be penned easily aswell. It's not going to be penning a heavy frontally with he, so the heavy is likely to hit it just as hard as the isu might hit it. Given Isu only has a little over 1k hp.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 8:12 AM

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The HP is only 90 less than other TDs. Mobility is decent. Armor is enough not to get HE spammed. And there’s no heavy that can hit as hard as ISU apart from IS-3D

coarse harness Feb 19, 2019, 8:13 AM

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I think it's more than enough treverse

📎 Screenshot_2019-02-19-09-11-42-650_net.wargaming.wot.blitz.png

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 8:14 AM

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You forgot the terrain resistance
Effective traverse is less

iron lynx Feb 19, 2019, 8:14 AM

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It's not OP taking out half of an enemy's health when the enemy can also take out half of your health in return.

coarse harness Feb 19, 2019, 8:15 AM

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The best terrain resistance🤔

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dim field Feb 19, 2019, 8:17 AM

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How much hp does a heavy have, how much hp does the isu have? How much damage does the average isu shot do to a heavy, how much dmg does the average heavy do? How many shots does it take for that heavy to kill an isu, how many shots does it take that isu to kill that heavy? Both will usually take 3 shots to kill the other.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 8:18 AM

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Considering WoTB is mostly medium and soft terrain the traverse is maybe enough with max crew, equipment and provisions. But seems balanced as you can still CoD it, and also damage its engine easily

But the ISU isn’t going to face the heavy tank 20m away. It’ll most likely be at the back. WoTB isn’t an 1vs1 game

I have to leave for now because I have class bye

indigo knot Feb 19, 2019, 9:07 AM

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I would prefer Isu152 having Bl-10 ....after all this is the tank that still intimidates the Op tanks at tier 8 ......the only thing it has is its gun .....rest everything is bad .....no gun dep, less hp, trolling gun accuracy, mobility is avg and so so camo rating ..... after all this tank is made to play at range not up close

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RHM is played skillfully can be more intimidating because the camo rating is off the charts.....and of course heat on RHM with calibrated shells can go through the hull of mauschen and vk100p

shy wren Feb 19, 2019, 11:01 AM

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@unique scaffold I own a SU-101, it can keep up with circling MTs every day, provided that you weren’t too aggressive at first

minor grove Feb 19, 2019, 11:44 AM

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Does anyone agree that the is6 needs a buff? I

lone warren Feb 19, 2019, 11:44 AM

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Eh. I guess a minor one. Its nowhere near as dominant as it was in the past.

minor grove Feb 19, 2019, 11:45 AM

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Exactly

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Give it some more amour or hp

dusky oxide Feb 19, 2019, 12:13 PM

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Armor or hp? :D why? To make it an is5 with a better gun?

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Why not give the is6 dpm if it needs a buff? Dpm would differentiate it from other IS tanks more than other buffable aspects. It would also make experienced players that bought one ages ago come back to play it.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 1:05 PM

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Hello

tribal summit Feb 19, 2019, 1:14 PM

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This game is balanced to the ground. No excitement of looking for nice tanks. Its enough to make just 1 line in game. No better or worse tanks.

fiery cairn Feb 19, 2019, 1:22 PM

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Buff the spi c

minor grove Feb 19, 2019, 1:22 PM

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lol

fiery cairn Feb 19, 2019, 1:36 PM

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Buff the grille

tribal summit Feb 19, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Buff the tanks i have

deft owl Feb 19, 2019, 2:01 PM

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People who wants buff for Is-6 should git gud.

dreamy oak Feb 19, 2019, 2:03 PM

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@tribal summit the game is great for it's diversity and there should be tanks on different playstyles and strengths and weaknesses but some tanks are just totally overpowered or underpowered and they need balance. This is what the channel was made for and I really appreciate wg listening now to the players and making this server was such a huge step in the right direction.

fiery cairn Feb 19, 2019, 2:04 PM

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A common misconception amoung noobs is that your a pro if you have a tier 10

dreamy oak Feb 19, 2019, 2:04 PM

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However some just troll and abuse this channel and write stuff which doesn't make sense.

deft owl Feb 19, 2019, 2:04 PM

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@dreamy oak Wg listening us? Lol why i cant see wz-120-1g ft or helsing nerf?

dreamy oak Feb 19, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Wg has the tendency to wait on decisions and stuff but there are things they listened on. (183 nerf)

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And also imagine their side when they nerf some op shit premiums what the feedback of the players would be and everyone than in fear to buy another premium. This would just ruin wg and we would end up without the game sooner or later

deft owl Feb 19, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Helsing is around there for several years and you seriously think they are "waiting on decision"? Lol you must be blind then.

dusky oxide Feb 19, 2019, 2:09 PM

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They wouldnt nerf a premium. All we can do is joke about it and hope they'll reconsider the next time they think about adding something like that.

dreamy oak Feb 19, 2019, 2:09 PM

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@deft owl u needed 4 mins to type that? As I said there's differences in premiums collectors and techtree

deft owl Feb 19, 2019, 2:10 PM

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@dusky oxide All tier 4 or lower tier premiums nerfed into the hell. Where is the wz-120 and helsing nerf now?

dusky oxide Feb 19, 2019, 2:11 PM

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@deft owl oh is the keni otsu nerfed? How about the kv220t? Su?

dreamy oak Feb 19, 2019, 2:11 PM

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U have to see all sides of it and sadly I can't debate on it much more bcz Idk everything and what it needs for a company to be successful but ik there has to be players who pay for the game so others can play it for free.

deft owl Feb 19, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Exception of otsu. Also kv-220 is tier 5 not tier 4.

dusky oxide Feb 19, 2019, 2:12 PM

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The lower tier premiums were changed because they would have become extremelu op if they werent included in the changes. They nerfed all other tier tanks as well.

deft owl Feb 19, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Which proofs premiums are nerfable. Still waiting for other op premiums to get nerf.

dreamy oak Feb 19, 2019, 2:13 PM

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@deft owl all i see is u trying to give reasons for tanks to get nerfed which u don't like. As I said u have to see the whole picture not just one single spot where u are in

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 2:14 PM

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You know, WG did the 5.5 global Tier 1-4 nerf to stop seal clubbing BUT, now the Ke Ni Otsu owners have easy life in battle thanks to insane broken DPM, and that's causing Ke Ni Otsu seal clubbing en masse. That's not counting?

dreamy oak Feb 19, 2019, 2:14 PM

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It counts i don't say wg does everything fine but I think they do a lot better than they used to

dusky oxide Feb 19, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Sure wg is able to nerf them, they always have been, even according to the EULA but it doesnt have good results in the communitys opinion and trust (profit). So i wouldnt be expecting a nerf or not even a change to collector status to any current premium above t6

deft owl Feb 19, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Wg only thinks their wallets. Not their player base. Op premiums prove that.

dusky oxide Feb 19, 2019, 2:17 PM

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Yes? Nobody here denies that.

dreamy oak Feb 19, 2019, 2:17 PM

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How many op premiums exist out of all?

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 2:18 PM

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They made many premium tanks collector, and I have seen from other players still Ke Ni Otsu isn't one. WG can't nerf premiums, but collectors yes. If they would be in good faith, they would apply the same procedure, and nerf that broken thing. Some of its owners also like to gloat after having killed you, because they know they have immunity. Damn, I am sick of that.

dreamy oak Feb 19, 2019, 2:19 PM

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As rhansu stated they can change also the keni if they wanted to it is in their EULA.

deft owl Feb 19, 2019, 2:20 PM

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But for some reason they didnt.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 2:21 PM

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So they aren't in good faith. Then resell that thing, if money is what WG is after

dreamy oak Feb 19, 2019, 2:21 PM

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As said above for trust reasons and community

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:22 PM

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There is a reason they didn't touch the kenny

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Because so few people has the tank. It's not really effecting the game

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 2:23 PM

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They nerfed also the BT-7 art. alpha, it was a premium. They don't have my trust for sure, seeing they are so preferential

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:23 PM

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I said in one of my videos before, go play tier 3 for 100 battles then tell me how many kennys you see

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The answer will be 1 or 2

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 2:23 PM

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But they gave BT-7 art. To nearly everyone, and it would have been broken if not rebalanced

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Then, I must be very unfortunate, since I meet one of them every 4 or 5 battles

dusky oxide Feb 19, 2019, 2:25 PM

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Oh no i misclicked to delete instead of edit -_-

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:25 PM

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Lol

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Wait

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@dusky oxide

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Meh

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Only can see half of it

dusky oxide Feb 19, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Even your magic cant save it :D but thx for the attempt <3 @modern rapids

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:27 PM

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Lol np

deft owl Feb 19, 2019, 2:31 PM

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@modern rapids Tell me how many Grosstraktor in 100 matches. Or Fcm 36 pak 40. Those are nerfed in the ground. So kenny should too.

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 2:32 PM

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I loved the pak40 when it wasn’t nerfed :C

dusky oxide Feb 19, 2019, 2:33 PM

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To sum up, they changed low tier tanks that had already been given out many times for free or for small sums. Most revenue is generated from t8 premium sales but for a player to want to buy one they have to find the game good enough and that experience happens at low tier for a new player.

So it wouldnt make sense to completely balance t8 and stop releasing op premiums once in a while from a business point of view. They wouldnt gain anything from it since the more times a consumer buys the same kind of product the less satisfaction they receive from it.

deft owl Feb 19, 2019, 2:36 PM

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Im seriously tired from any counter-opinion about the unnerfed kenny. Just stop it. I understand you dont want your op prem to get nerfed but just stop. For Gods sake.

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:37 PM

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@deft owl for the record

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I don't own a kenny

deft owl Feb 19, 2019, 2:37 PM

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I @dusky oxide I wasnt talking about you.

dusky oxide Feb 19, 2019, 2:38 PM

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@deft owl sry

deft owl Feb 19, 2019, 2:39 PM

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@modern rapids Then stop defending it. There is literally no point to defend wg here. Kenny is op and needs nerf. End of the story.

drowsy plaza Feb 19, 2019, 2:39 PM

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I have a Kenny and fully support it being nerf’d- of course is haven’t played it in years but the aspect stands it should have been nerf’d as well as the other premiums in 1-5

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:40 PM

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@deft owl how often do you play tier 3?

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I didn't ever say it didn't need a nerf

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I stated the reason why it hasn't been nerfed

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But it not being nerfed has no affect on me

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Just go play a dw2

deft owl Feb 19, 2019, 2:41 PM

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"I stated the reason why it hasn't been nerfed" Which doesnt make sense when grosstraktor and fcm 36 pak 40 nerfed in to the hell.

dusky oxide Feb 19, 2019, 2:42 PM

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I mean, it wouldnt affect most of our game experiences if it was nerfed or not. For me its more of a jealousy generated feeling that i want it nerfed. Its not like it'll be sold ever again.

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:42 PM

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I only explained what I got told

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Far more people own those 2 tanks than the kenny. Just no one plays them

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Or they sold them when they became collectable

drowsy plaza Feb 19, 2019, 2:44 PM

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I understand the theory behind leaving the Kenny OP alone, but it doesn’t make it the correct choice for WG

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modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:45 PM

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No it doesn't

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If anything the nerfs have made the kenny stronger

deft owl Feb 19, 2019, 2:46 PM

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And leaving it like this is the worst decision they made.

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:46 PM

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But it doesn't affect me at all. And the people who are moaning that it affects them. Are probably people trying to seal club in tier 3

drowsy plaza Feb 19, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Been a while since I Kenny’d

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modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:48 PM

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Lol

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Just 3 years

drowsy plaza Feb 19, 2019, 2:49 PM

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I still feel shame.

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:49 PM

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Lol

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I do admit, I do log on my CC account every now and again to play it

drowsy plaza Feb 19, 2019, 2:50 PM

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I had 23 aces in it the first day. I wish they had tracked aces back then.

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Lol

drowsy plaza Feb 19, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Admittedly when my WR in it dropped below 90% I lost interest in it. Best $5 I ever spent in Blitz

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Lol aha

deft owl Feb 19, 2019, 2:52 PM

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q @modern rapids Imagine a game new starters face otsu. It affects everyone. Dont think it doesnt affect you just because you dont play on this tiers.

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:52 PM

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If you don't ace it. You had a bad battle

wraith lance Feb 19, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Meeting a Kenny is pretty rare nowdays tbh

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:53 PM

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New starters will rarely meet them

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If ever

crystal wyvern Feb 19, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Last time I’ve seen an otsu was in a training room

drowsy plaza Feb 19, 2019, 2:54 PM

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On NA they will. We don’t have the pop in game to support separate queues for the most part.

wraith lance Feb 19, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Ever since it was sold I have seen it like 10 times maybe

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Exactly

drowsy plaza Feb 19, 2019, 2:55 PM

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But when I was ace chasing the new Chinese tier 2 add on I saw two. Both played by career fails - neither had cracked 50% in the Kenny OP

crystal wyvern Feb 19, 2019, 2:56 PM

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What u get for playing low tier jajaja

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:56 PM

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Lol

dreamy oak Feb 19, 2019, 2:56 PM

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What u get for having this nickname?

wraith lance Feb 19, 2019, 2:56 PM

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Do you not know what ace chasing means? @crystal wyvern

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:56 PM

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Lol

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I do

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I'm the ace king

wraith lance Feb 19, 2019, 2:57 PM

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All hail the Ace king

modern rapids Feb 19, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Lol

drowsy plaza Feb 19, 2019, 2:58 PM

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@wraith lance he knows he’s just heckling

wraith lance Feb 19, 2019, 2:59 PM

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Lol

drowsy plaza Feb 19, 2019, 3:00 PM

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I just noticed something. My Vz Tier 2 has almost more Average Damage than my Kenny OP.

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crystal wyvern Feb 19, 2019, 3:06 PM

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@wraith lance do you know what a joke is?

wraith lance Feb 19, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Sorry my sarcasm detector is 🅱roken

crystal wyvern Feb 19, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Hence the clear “jajaja” at the end

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Could just have been some spanish 🅱️oi

dreamy oak Feb 19, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Offtopic

versed night Feb 19, 2019, 3:13 PM

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The day WG nerf K otsu is the day I delete blitz 🙃

dreamy oak Feb 19, 2019, 3:26 PM

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@deft owl now u understand why they don't nerf op premiums?

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Or still not? If there are no customers then there's no game it's as simple as that.

woeful tendon Feb 19, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Honestly I play the 76I (which rivals otsu in brokenness) prob once or twice a week and haven't seen an otsu since I tooned with a friend(who was playing the otsu) it's so rare they may as well buff it

drowsy plaza Feb 19, 2019, 3:52 PM

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@dreamy oak I am a tank hoarder. I’ve spent over 10k on Blitz, but I have no issues with needed nerfs of Premiums for balance. Broken tanks or blatantly OP ones are not good for the games long term viability.

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It is worth losing a few disgruntled players over nerf’s than alienating thousands with the stigma of P2W

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We saw WG testing the waters in 5.5 for Premium rebalancing. Sure they where irrelevant tiers - but you have to know they are looking beyond. WG has talked about tier 7 and 8 rebalancing for a while. You know that means the nerf hammer coming to visit.

teal olive Feb 19, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Sup @woeful tendon and yeah I agree, iceclaw op af

frosty oasis Feb 19, 2019, 4:19 PM

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When will 5.8 drop? Today?

jovial kernel Feb 19, 2019, 4:20 PM

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idk probably

crystal wyvern Feb 19, 2019, 4:20 PM

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10k yea right

onyx fiber Feb 19, 2019, 4:32 PM

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@frosty oasis tomorrow

snow gust Feb 19, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Please nerf the tier VIII VK which is very well armoured, I cant pen it with my WZ-110 even though I have the best gun.

lone warren Feb 19, 2019, 6:22 PM

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stop fighting a superheavy frontally with 215 ap pen

unique scaffold Feb 19, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Save it for last and flank it.

distant river Feb 19, 2019, 6:47 PM

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What they said ^

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Or just bait it to shoot and shoot its lower glacis if you cant ignore it

dusky oxide Feb 19, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Just ram it

distant river Feb 19, 2019, 6:57 PM

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But only if youre in a RU or something

warm tide Feb 19, 2019, 7:19 PM

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fix servers

versed fable Feb 19, 2019, 8:32 PM

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we need to bring back spall liner and binocular

spark badge Feb 19, 2019, 8:36 PM

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Yes fix servers first

tribal summit Feb 19, 2019, 9:08 PM

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@dreamy oak WG claimed they look on numbers not emotions.

dreamy oak Feb 19, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Money aren't numbers? And customers decide how much money they spend so it's clear that they listen here and there

stoic light Feb 19, 2019, 10:58 PM

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Let talk about how op the wz td is 😃

neon peak Feb 19, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Haven’t that been talked about enough?

stoic light Feb 19, 2019, 11:00 PM

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True, I just want wg to do something about it

drowsy plaza Feb 19, 2019, 11:47 PM

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Play tier 9, the FT isn’t op then 😉

stoic light Feb 19, 2019, 11:55 PM

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200iq

umbral hound Feb 20, 2019, 12:15 AM

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Is the panther II terrible? I have been hearing it is one of the worst tanks in blitz.

empty ice Feb 20, 2019, 12:19 AM

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Lol, people who say that are probably bad at the game.

unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 12:19 AM

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Difficult to use but not bad at all, the worst is E50 grinding

empty ice Feb 20, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Panther 2 is not bad, it's just not op. It has a good gun, decent angled armour, meh speed but lacks an outstanding statistic, apart from its penetration which is decent (from what I remember)

long sage Feb 20, 2019, 12:28 AM

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👌

viscid orchid Feb 20, 2019, 12:43 AM

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I'm grinding through the Panther II now.. It's not great by any means, but a decent player can make it work alright. Not a frontliner. Can really only bounce reliably on the front of the turret while wiggling (so they hit the mantlet). I mostly hate how sluggish it feels combined with its massive size. Makes for a lot of people taking and hitting pot shots at your side and such

median gust Feb 20, 2019, 12:50 AM

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mm yee

wraith lance Feb 20, 2019, 12:51 AM

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People say it's a bad tank because the Panther I was REALLY good, so it feels a bit dissapointing because the Panther II is just average. Same with Jagdpanzer IV to Jpanther

median gust Feb 20, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Jgdpz IV has better DPM with the 85mm than most tier 9s.

wraith lance Feb 20, 2019, 12:52 AM

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It's 🅱roken beyond imagination IMO

median gust Feb 20, 2019, 12:53 AM

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Yeah. Shreds through tier V with no problem, dominates Tier VII games. Unless it's a Dracula 😂

umbral hound Feb 20, 2019, 1:14 AM

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hmm good to know. I am about 5k XP away from the Panther 2 and I was worried it might be a nightmare to play.

jovial kernel Feb 20, 2019, 1:14 AM

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Lowest win rate tank in the game lol

umbral hound Feb 20, 2019, 1:15 AM

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The panther 2 has the lowest win rate?

jovial kernel Feb 20, 2019, 1:16 AM

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Ye

umbral hound Feb 20, 2019, 1:17 AM

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Ouch, I was just pumped up by all the people saying it isn't so bad and then you gotta go and bring out the truth bombs.

jovial kernel Feb 20, 2019, 1:18 AM

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It's really not too terrible it has a gun that works I guess

unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 1:33 AM

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I've noticed that most tier 8 tanks that are considered OP aren't so bad when you play tier 9 😂

drowsy plaza Feb 20, 2019, 2:56 AM

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P2 isnt bad -- it got a buff around 2 years ago, but it's effectively nerf'd due to power creep. in +/-2 it was a decent second line sniper for med support as low tier -- now with the dumbing down lemming train, it's a bit of a lame duck due to its size and relative poor armor.

open lynx Feb 20, 2019, 3:02 AM

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my lorriane is nerfed

stable bridge Feb 20, 2019, 3:51 AM

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pls no

iron lynx Feb 20, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Autoloader removed

stable bridge Feb 20, 2019, 3:52 AM

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~~armor~~ speed removed

soft wasp Feb 20, 2019, 4:06 AM

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Kpfpz70 needs to be moved to tier 8.

It's overmatched at tier x, outmatched at tier ix, and merely okayish at viii

shy wren Feb 20, 2019, 4:26 AM

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?

pastel marlin Feb 20, 2019, 4:45 AM

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What are you talking about? KPZ can wreak havok in tier 10s, thanks to its alpha

stiff sundial Feb 20, 2019, 4:57 AM

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Do not touch the Ke-Ho!

pastel marlin Feb 20, 2019, 5:01 AM

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Also its turret armour is not that bad, which is useful in hull down situations.

zealous oriole Feb 20, 2019, 5:10 AM

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IMO the Caernarvon needs a HP buff, currently it's too soft. Buffing anything else would make it OP, while an HP increase would help make it a better niche tank

jovial kernel Feb 20, 2019, 5:49 AM

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it literally has the highest health in the tier what do you want

open holly Feb 20, 2019, 5:49 AM

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Plz tell me someone else realizes Foch 155 needs a very generous buff

jovial kernel Feb 20, 2019, 5:50 AM

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yeah agreed

quick lichen Feb 20, 2019, 5:51 AM

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Just buff the foch’ gun

open holly Feb 20, 2019, 5:51 AM

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It’s so damn mediocre, it has a little better armor than 268 but you can’t manipulate because it’s just a flat slope/the gun is not even close to as good/it has decent amount more acceleration but only goes 2 kmh more

quick lichen Feb 20, 2019, 5:51 AM

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The gun handling is atrocious

open holly Feb 20, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Yes

quick lichen Feb 20, 2019, 5:58 AM

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It’s shouldn’t be as good as a 268

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But it should be a bit better than it is now

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It lacks 268 dpm

jovial kernel Feb 20, 2019, 5:59 AM

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and the 268 dpm is already not good for tier 10

open holly Feb 20, 2019, 6:00 AM

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I think it should it be different but definitely better than it is currently in someway

versed night Feb 20, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Jp 1 is not bad, its just so different from tier 6. Playing it right it can compete with any tier 7/8 tank

unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 6:45 AM

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It would appear foch is doing better than obj 268, in both terms of dmg and wr

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slim rivet Feb 20, 2019, 7:39 AM

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Foch his new so peeps get it when already experienced. This is the only explanation I can see cause 268 is clearly better then Foch imo

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As mentioned above, foch gun is terrible. It’s like Aim, Aim, AIMMM (for like forever) and miss

iron lynx Feb 20, 2019, 7:43 AM

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Why is the Grille 15 that bad tho.
I've been running the Grille 15 a few times today and I find it quite good.

unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 7:45 AM

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Because of the camo

iron lynx Feb 20, 2019, 7:46 AM

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Hmm
I'd just sidescrape-peekaboo and hide back to disappear from sight.
I mean, it could use some buffs, but it isn't horrendously bad without one.

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And flanking Jageru is very fun in the Grille 15.

unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 7:48 AM

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Sure it is workable but a bit underpowered IMO, it deserves not to be spotted everytime the crew breathes

iron lynx Feb 20, 2019, 7:49 AM

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Mm yes
Traverse doesn't need a buff imo.
But camo needs to be somewhat better for a paper tank.

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Are there tanks with worse camo than the Grille 15?

lunar niche Feb 20, 2019, 7:50 AM

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Either camo or traverse really. If they buff both, it will probably be like pre nerf state?

unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 7:50 AM

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Eventually post nerf 183. Super heavies too probably

iron lynx Feb 20, 2019, 7:51 AM

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Definitely camo, and only camo for now.
Traverse doesn't need buffs since it's a TD and being flanked should be common.
But camo for a 10mm-armored tank?
Yes pls.

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Um are there any websites with camo numbers of all tanks in Blitz?

unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 7:53 AM

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Idk

jovial kernel Feb 20, 2019, 7:53 AM

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you'd think that one of the smallest tier 10s and the one with the least armor would have some camo but nah

unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 7:55 AM

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WG is used to overnerf tanks then totally forget about them

lunar niche Feb 20, 2019, 7:55 AM

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Irc someone posted about camo values in here monts ago. Let me check if i have it.

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http://forum.wotblitz.com/index.php?/topic/81303-tier-x-camouflage-values/

World of Tanks Blitz official forum

Tier X Camouflage Values - General Discussion

Tier X Camouflage Values - posted in General Discussion:
Finally got around to finishing these up. I am missing the 4202, because I couldnt get anyone with one to test!

Spoiler

		Tank
		
		
		Stationary
		
		
		On The Move
		
		
		After Firing ~6 sec
		...

iron lynx Feb 20, 2019, 8:00 AM

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Aye tanks a lot

lunar niche Feb 20, 2019, 8:00 AM

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Its from 2017 though lol

unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 8:02 AM

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Reverse partially the nerf on T49 and Grille 15, and buff kpfpz 70, it's all I ask

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You forgot to partially reverse the nerf on SP 1 C

outer oak Feb 20, 2019, 8:12 AM

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nerf movement Tiger II buff armor

iron lynx Feb 20, 2019, 9:01 AM

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SP1C is 152mm cannon fodder

lunar niche Feb 20, 2019, 9:06 AM

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*ramming fodder

unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 9:59 AM

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Always always always ... stop pls

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unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 10:52 AM

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@unique scaffold. This isn't the place to discuss matchmaking. Read the pinned messages.

fiery cairn Feb 20, 2019, 1:10 PM

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Buff the T69

dusky oxide Feb 20, 2019, 1:20 PM

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Ok. Just because you said so without providing anything else.

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:v

uncut fractal Feb 20, 2019, 1:26 PM

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t69 has terrible penetration

coarse harness Feb 20, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Not the best AP pen🙄
That tank is just hard to play

fiery cairn Feb 20, 2019, 1:31 PM

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The T69. Buff it’s pen

uncut osprey Feb 20, 2019, 1:43 PM

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The t69 is good where it is, just run CS on it

tawdry moat Feb 20, 2019, 1:57 PM

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T69 is a decent tank.. just not the best. A buff would serve it good.and the t32.. a buff will serve it greatly..

hexed horizon Feb 20, 2019, 2:08 PM

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some future hope WOT to buf T 44-100?

unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 3:19 PM

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lone warren Feb 20, 2019, 3:24 PM

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If this is to complain about mm look at pinned messages

dusky oxide Feb 20, 2019, 3:31 PM

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Are 3 tds easy to counter in a med or am i a noob? Be honest and if not, tell me how to do it.

cunning kindle Feb 20, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Depends on the situation

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If ur losing on points and u need to go in front of em to get a cap back, then nah u cant do anything unless rng lets u bounce three which is highly unlikely

lone warren Feb 20, 2019, 3:38 PM

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@dusky oxide There are factors that depend on this.
Such as what map it is. If its mines for example, its pretty difficult to counter them for obvious reasons.
The three td cap should be lowered imo.
@ me somewhere else if you want to continue this because this isnt the appropriate channel

dusky oxide Feb 20, 2019, 3:44 PM

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@lone warren is it not? The question is directly about how a tank class affects another. Is this only for individual tank performance? I thought thats what #vehicles-discussion was for.

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The only clue i have is that in #devs-answers it says to discuss here :D

lone warren Feb 20, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Uhh idk to be honest i think im just being dumb.
But yeah it can certainly not be easy to counter a 3 td line up, most of the time they’re all sitting at the back somewhere and if you try to flank too aggressively you can get destroyed lmao

dusky oxide Feb 20, 2019, 3:53 PM

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Yeah, my problem is finding a way to keep them spotted without being too exposed myself. Especially on maps like mines and vineyards.

lone warren Feb 20, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Mines needs reworking anyway

dusky oxide Feb 20, 2019, 4:02 PM

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I think it should be removed from high tier queue comopletely. Again.

small flame Feb 20, 2019, 4:40 PM

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Mines just isn’t a good map. It’s super small and has only one strategy

unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Yeah. Cap

dusky oxide Feb 20, 2019, 4:59 PM

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What about on vineyards or dead rail?

lone warren Feb 20, 2019, 4:59 PM

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yeah man only strat on mines is to go town

open hedge Feb 20, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Too many times opposition moving tanks at close distance disappear from view

clever mauve Feb 20, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Mines is my fav map tho lol

dusky oxide Feb 20, 2019, 5:30 PM

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@clever mauve you must play a td or a heavy with a good turret.

open holly Feb 20, 2019, 5:33 PM

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No u

wraith lance Feb 20, 2019, 5:33 PM

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What are you guys taling about, the only plausible strat on Mines is going lighthouse

dusky oxide Feb 20, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Yeah but how do u spot the tds from there?

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Or farm without them hitting you in a position you can disengage from

wraith lance Feb 20, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Damn u are right

dusky oxide Feb 20, 2019, 5:39 PM

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And how do you do it in dead rail when the tds are at the back of the med flank...

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I cant even counter 3 tds in general. They can just camp and stick together. I cant spot them unless I get close enough that I cant disengage anymore.

unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 5:57 PM

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How to counter? Cap

coral nova Feb 20, 2019, 6:05 PM

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@tawdry moat if u buff the t-32 gun and stuff that would make that tank really over the top it's already very solid in its self atm at least I think great armor meh gun and mobility.

dusky oxide Feb 20, 2019, 6:11 PM

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@unique scaffold you cant in dead rail if the tds are in the sniper nest on the med flank

unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Glitch yourself into the train car. Easy

wraith lance Feb 20, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Lmao just go afk. Can't lose if you don't play

velvet star Feb 20, 2019, 6:44 PM

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Last 3 days matchmaking the best, +0,50 wr

tulip tiger Feb 20, 2019, 7:08 PM

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No such thing as matchmaking being better or worse. It's literally always the same random mix

small flame Feb 20, 2019, 9:10 PM

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The t32 is amazing don’t dis respect it

tranquil quartz Feb 20, 2019, 9:19 PM

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when the severs gona be back up

indigo knot Feb 20, 2019, 9:33 PM

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I think its gonna take them 3 more hours

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It would be quite nice if leo1 and leo pta get some gun dep from the back like atleast 5-6 deg

fierce jetty Feb 20, 2019, 9:36 PM

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We’re looking at another three hours at least

shy wren Feb 20, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Ok, didn’t expect the servers to be down for 5 and a half hours

median gust Feb 20, 2019, 9:41 PM

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Same...

rancid flame Feb 20, 2019, 9:43 PM

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What do you guys think is the least balanced tech tree tank in Blitz?

median gust Feb 20, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Japanese

teal olive Feb 20, 2019, 9:52 PM

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IS4 If we’re talking tier ten

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If we’re talking out of all tiers... then probably something mid-low tier that was overlooked like a DW2 or something.

rancid flame Feb 20, 2019, 10:03 PM

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DW2s not a tech tree tank anymore, but I get what you mean

distant river Feb 20, 2019, 10:03 PM

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DW2 was a great tank, probably just about OP

rancid flame Feb 20, 2019, 10:04 PM

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Tier 1-4 got nerfed through the floor, basement, bedrock, and then out the other end tho

distant river Feb 20, 2019, 10:04 PM

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Yup, look what they did to my beautiful T-46

rancid flame Feb 20, 2019, 10:05 PM

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insert look how they massacred my boy meme here

distant river Feb 20, 2019, 10:05 PM

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6 shells down to 2, so you do a maximum of 100 dmg in 12 sec, with that terrible gun handling

forest heath Feb 20, 2019, 10:07 PM

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I feel like the predator UM needs a slight penetration buff in my honest opinion. I have been playing it again lately and I have noticed that when uptiered the penetration even with apcr rounds is quite lacking as I struggle to penetrate most tier VIII heavies and tank destroyers
due to its very limited armor profile which is don’t get me wrong perfectly adequate for the job at tier VII and doesn’t really need a buff. But because of the aforementioned lacking penetration you are kinda obligated to get more up close in order to make you shots land and penetrate. Because I think that the predator can have a pretty good role as a mid-range sniper with a decent dpm when placed in tier VIII battles, and then switch over again to a frontline brawler in tier VII battles

rancid flame Feb 20, 2019, 10:08 PM

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@forest heath it’s ammo loadout is like the T49, right?

forest heath Feb 20, 2019, 10:08 PM

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No ap, apcr, he

teal olive Feb 20, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Lol i feel bad for predator drivers. They’re basically Gods against lower tiered tanks until they just drive up to them and side-hugged to death because they’re tank is so tall

rancid flame Feb 20, 2019, 10:09 PM

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They should switch it to like the T49 loadout and give it better pen via its heat rounds @forest heath

unique scaffold Feb 20, 2019, 10:09 PM

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it doesnt have heat

forest heath Feb 20, 2019, 10:09 PM

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I’m not so convinced

teal olive Feb 20, 2019, 10:09 PM

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The predator is the big fat heavy, the vindicator is the crappy version of the SU with the all HEAT/HE loadout

fierce jetty Feb 20, 2019, 10:10 PM

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I had both of them didn’t like either of them

rancid flame Feb 20, 2019, 10:10 PM

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@unique scaffold it would if it had an ammo load out like the T49

forest heath Feb 20, 2019, 10:10 PM

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The vindicator is actually pretty good when you are uptiered honestly

maiden tundra Feb 20, 2019, 10:10 PM

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Not

fierce jetty Feb 20, 2019, 10:10 PM

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Once I am moved up to my waffle tractors the vindicator became obsolete

distant river Feb 20, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Waffle tractor is such a good tank @fierce jetty

forest heath Feb 20, 2019, 10:11 PM

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That with the big caliber and HE it can still at least damage an IS-5

maiden tundra Feb 20, 2019, 10:11 PM

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It is only fun to play when you are looking at a tier 6 light... in front of you!!!!

fierce jetty Feb 20, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Yes I love eight through 10 of the waffle tractors they are very maneuverable and devastating gun

distant river Feb 20, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Its surprising how few people actually focus on you, even if you play it near the front line

rancid flame Feb 20, 2019, 10:12 PM

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I had to play through the nerfed Borsig on that line

forest heath Feb 20, 2019, 10:12 PM

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despite its flaws I still love my predator and vindicator actually

fierce jetty Feb 20, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Yes you have to know what to use heat on and what to use HE on

forest heath Feb 20, 2019, 10:13 PM

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so much so it got me into the 40K hobby as a whole because of it

fierce jetty Feb 20, 2019, 10:13 PM

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I’m not knocking the vindicator it’s just not for me

distant river Feb 20, 2019, 10:14 PM

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I managed to miss the entire event for the vindi becaise my game wouldnt update

fierce jetty Feb 20, 2019, 10:14 PM

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I’ll be honest I never got the hang of turetless TDs

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I had the T 28 and hated it then I got the T 28 prototype and absolutely love it

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T 30 with its max gun is a monster on the battlefield that’s another tank I love using

teal olive Feb 20, 2019, 10:17 PM

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@fierce jetty you’d love the jag then! And @rancid flame i actually play the borsig now for fun, I hate that it got nerfed as much as it did but it was too good

rancid flame Feb 20, 2019, 10:18 PM

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I love the Jagdtiger, it’s really the capstone of its line

fierce jetty Feb 20, 2019, 10:21 PM

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Twisted yeah the Jag D is a phenomenal tank TD but I never got the hang of Turin less TD

rancid flame Feb 20, 2019, 10:22 PM

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I remember at one point I had accidentally entered a blitz battle in the Jagd and so I was absent for the large majority of the game, so when I entered in my entire team was dead and it was just me. Managed to rack up 2.5k damage before I died. Next highest was like 950

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Honestly, most of me playing the Jagdpanzer E100 is me crying and saying I want my 12.8 back

umbral hound Feb 20, 2019, 10:42 PM

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@fierce jetty The T28 can be a bit of struggle though. Probably not the best representative of the non-turreted TDs. Have you tried other non-turreted TD lines?

fierce jetty Feb 20, 2019, 10:43 PM

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True you got that right. Lol. It’s as bad as the T95 for maneuvering just a weaker gun...lol

umbral hound Feb 20, 2019, 10:44 PM

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I didn't like the T28 I liked the T28 Proto. I thought I was just not going to enjoy non-turreted TDs but then I played the Su-152 and the ISU-152

dim field Feb 20, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Weaker gun and armor iirc.
Currently on the T28 and it's intimidating to play.

rancid flame Feb 20, 2019, 10:45 PM

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T28 is just a bad tank. There’s really no positives about it. Especially when you consider the competition it has on-tier in tanks like the ISU

dim field Feb 20, 2019, 10:46 PM

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Yeah
I went from using Isu to T28.
Basically lost everything for faster reload

fierce jetty Feb 20, 2019, 10:46 PM

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True DAT

minor cobalt Feb 20, 2019, 10:46 PM

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im going down the hetzer line currently which is better nashorn or jg

dim field Feb 20, 2019, 10:47 PM

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T25 AT though was a really enjoyable turretless

rancid flame Feb 20, 2019, 10:47 PM

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@minor cobalt it really depends. As for tier 6 the jg is better, but it’s really a matter of preference. Grind up both lines and see which you like better

minor cobalt Feb 20, 2019, 10:47 PM

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ok

umbral hound Feb 20, 2019, 10:50 PM

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@dim field I liked the T25 AT well enough. The armor is surprisingly trollish. It gets more bounces than one would expect. Reasonably good gun overall. Reasonably fast.

dim field Feb 20, 2019, 10:53 PM

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That's good summary of it

minor cobalt Feb 20, 2019, 10:56 PM

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thx @rancid flame

fierce jetty Feb 20, 2019, 10:57 PM

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I’m actually very surprised how solid the T28 proton armor is given it’s an open turret.

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Proto

white warren Feb 20, 2019, 10:58 PM

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Hey any idea why the game wont load???

wraith lance Feb 20, 2019, 10:58 PM

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@white warren Check #game-status-upd

fierce jetty Feb 20, 2019, 10:58 PM

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#updating

umbral hound Feb 20, 2019, 10:59 PM

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@fierce jetty yeah, The T28 proto's front plate is solid. If you can get good angles the tank is basically a heavy with a better gun.

dim field Feb 20, 2019, 11:00 PM

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I don't get why you can get to the t28 from the proto but not visa versa

white warren Feb 20, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Ah I see so I gotta wait till 6:00pm when done?? Thanks for the help

fierce jetty Feb 20, 2019, 11:15 PM

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@umbral hound every so often, I’ll get surrounded by two tanks that do nothing but bounce on me as I one shot them. LOL. Live for games like those.

ionic python Feb 20, 2019, 11:43 PM

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@fierce jetty your thoughts on the grille?

fierce jetty Feb 20, 2019, 11:57 PM

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Ramarse its a great TD. Got to get used to handling it. It can be bulky and awkward at times, but if you pick a good spot clear out into a map corner with set camo, it is devastating. Just remember what application to use HEAT and HE on.

shy wren Feb 21, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Ugh, stop posting this kind of stuff here, #tank-balance-discussion isn’t the place to rant about MM @unique scaffold
Read the pinned comments. Why are you so lazy to do something like that and still do things like this after you’ve been advised not to time and time again?

dim field Feb 21, 2019, 5:02 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20190221-000153_Discord.jpg

lucid ferry Feb 21, 2019, 10:09 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/479417301045608448/548082279935901697/unknown.png

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This is only tank with 130mm which have 660 dmg per on he. Its bug or wg knew it when 5.8 update was introduced?

thorny owl Feb 21, 2019, 10:13 AM

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Probably forgot to change it for blitz parameters

dusky barn Feb 21, 2019, 11:18 AM

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Just check out HE damage on tier 9 meds. You can find 400, 440 and 450 on tanks with 105mm guns. No logical explanation but still it is in the game

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And 100mm guns have 350 and 420 HE damage...

indigo knot Feb 21, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Will it be possible to give leo1 and pta some gun dep from the back .... like 5 to 6 deg

iron lynx Feb 21, 2019, 12:07 PM

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152mm HE shells has a range of 640 to 900 too
Logic lol

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 12:20 PM

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The chinese t10 td might not be as a bad of an addition as i thought. Its a tank that can really break through a line but it cant do it alone and certainly not against any tank. That HE is scary though...

wraith lance Feb 21, 2019, 1:16 PM

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@indigo knot Nope because the model doesn't allow it

safe quest Feb 21, 2019, 2:01 PM

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Can I just say how broken the pz4d is? It’s way to mobile and way to good dpm to be a tier 4 tank, it literally kills half the team that I’m on or against, and always deals the most damage, there’s no reason for it to be this strong, either show other countries love or nerf the dang thing cause it’s legitimately not ok that I can easily kill 2 tanks while taking all of their shots and still be at half hp.

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It’s just an m3Lee with a turret at this point

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Severely op damage, nice mobility, ample hp, nice penetration, etc. the only thing that I found bad is the guns dispersion and aim time.

uncut fractal Feb 21, 2019, 2:11 PM

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just wait till u find a dw2

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dw2 dident even get the damege per shot downgraded in the update like the pz IV d cause the pz iv d had alpha damege reduced to 120 but dw2 still has 160 alpha damege and its basically superior to it

safe quest Feb 21, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Tbh I’m just salty that a tank that used to be weaker than the m3Lee is now the top dog, and since I didn’t have my current account at the time of the update that removed the m3Lee and many other things i loved like the 105 on the hetzer (my og one went bankrupt “for fun” but I didn’t wanna credit grind). I miss the m3Lee, it is one of, if not my favorite tank in the whole game.

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 2:56 PM

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please for the love of Christ and everything holy WG please nerf the vk 100.01OP already

distant river Feb 21, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Its not that OP

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:07 PM

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ItS NoT tHat oP
oh please tell me more how I should buy a T34 now because of these things running rampant

distant river Feb 21, 2019, 3:08 PM

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Just dont take it on from the front, or try and focus on it first

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:09 PM

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are you out of your mind? What are we suppose to do let them in and sing kumbaya while the vk breakthroughs our flank?

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christ on a bike some people really dont know how to game works amazing, as if every situation is always gonna have good teammates that dont bleed

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 3:14 PM

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The belarusians are singing kumbaya while the avg vk win rate is at 56.4%

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:14 PM

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so we let this guy pass through so we can chew on his sides, good one McArthur, wonder why you arent a four star general already
anyways this tank needs to be bludgeoned to death with a nerf stick or else I'm quitting tier 8 altogether

iron lynx Feb 21, 2019, 3:15 PM

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I remembered someone here wanted to buff the VK100 aim time lol

dim field Feb 21, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Tips to deal with Vk

Befriend a Td
Become a Td
Aim for cupola or lower plate
Flank it
Ignore it and focus other targets saving the vk for last.

One of those 5 things usually will do the trick.

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:18 PM

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ooor we could make the game more fair for everyone else that isnt an autopen ISU or a tier 8 medium and nerf the vk with the nerf bat

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 3:20 PM

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I get that armor is easy to counter when its on a tank that cant relocate easily. But its not easy to make teammates part of the effort to counter 1 tank. The vk is clearly overperforming.

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:20 PM

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some of you just dont want it nerfed because some of you play it exclusively
yes its fun being a stupid no some skill Maus incarnate that slaps anyone that isnt an ISU easily but its time to get the tank off the high horse already, its clearly overcooked and everyone who has half the brainpower of every blitz contributor under the sun knows its overcooked to hell and back twice

distant river Feb 21, 2019, 3:20 PM

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The VK doesnt need a nerf. I take them out most battles, just by baiting their shots and shooting their weakspots, or by flanking and not sitting there like a lemon shooting it's lower plate

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 3:22 PM

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You maybe do but most players cant do it as effectively.

dim field Feb 21, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Vk is overperforming mainly because the number of players who keep trying to 1v1 a hulldown vk frontally while using a med or a light tank.

The only nerf I can imagine maybe happening is a slightl traverse nerf and that's about it.

I don't find them to be overbearing and pretty easy to deal with even in some of my tier 7. The vk is a nice change from the IS spam.

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 3:25 PM

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The traverse is so much it looks funny how fast that thing turns

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:25 PM

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so your solution to the IS spam is bringing something far worse into the equation of balance to the IS spam?
oh please tell me more how this worked well in other games when the devs release a patch of a counter that not only counters the overused threat but everything else with it as well
seriously 56%WR average for you is balanced and all you'd do to it is a measly traverse nerf? what kind of narcotics are you on right now?

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:26 PM

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The obj 252u will potentially be another mark for the is spam dominance

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Mauerbrecker represents another vk 100 to try to balance it out

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:27 PM

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holy christ on a pogostick dont tell me that that 'thing' is gonna be added soon

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Both will be added soon

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Alongside the T28 defender

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People need to understand how broken tier 8 is

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:29 PM

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great even more outrageous money grabs just what we all need right? Time to uninstall after a couple of days of seeing em unless if the base for them is so small that nobody buys them
because the overpricing is actually whats keeping a lot of these tier 8 prems to be nothing more than niche tier

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:29 PM

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The only way of balancing it, is by adding tds, German super heavies and mediums

dim field Feb 21, 2019, 3:29 PM

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If you could cut the condescension and attitude I'd appreciate it. For the record I don't even have the VK so saying i don't want it nerfed because i play it exclusively is wrong.

I don't want it nerfed because currently i don't see what's wrong with it as my experience of fighting it and see how so many people in my matches fight it leads me to think it's fine. I only suggest maybe a traverse nerf is purely based on some of the suggestions others have made of which i haven't seen you really make any

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Is spam rules tier 8

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Currently the wz td, skorpion and vk 100 are the only thing I see balancing it

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:30 PM

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if thats going to happen, some tanks needs serious buffs
like most of the tier 8 meds underperforming at the moment

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:31 PM

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@dim field I back you 100%. The tank isn’t the issue. The playerbase doesn’t know how to fight them

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It’s tier 8. Of course the mediums are under performing

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No medium has armor, pen and mobility in tier 8

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They have 2/3 at most

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Is spam has good mobility, good to great armor and plenty of pen against mediums (although average to weak against heavies)

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It’s not surprising that heavies own the tier

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:33 PM

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well then guess that settles it, not gonna be playing the IS-5 anymore (as if I want to play it due to the horrific gun handling) and let us all sing kumbaya in any other tank while the 252u and the Mauerwhateverthehellitis rolls down the corridor and wins the game

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:34 PM

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I’m confused as to what exactly you’re looking for

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:34 PM

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unless of course
if youre an aspiring ISU driver
the only thing breaking armor is not with more armor but with a big boom and 286mm of sweet, soviet 690 damage rounds of pure rebalance

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:34 PM

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Every game there’s 4+ is style tanks

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1-3 German heavies

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A few high pen tds

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640

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Not 690

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The isu has no armor and is a three shot kill for any 120/122 heavy

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Tank destroyers are called that for a reason last time I checked

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Whats wrong with the skorp? I havent seen many to know. All i know is that they are hated on pc for their campy playstyle.

distant river Feb 21, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Tier 8 isnt balenced but its no where near as bad as most people say it is

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:36 PM

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I love it on blitz @dusky oxide

shy wren Feb 21, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Much prefer the 101 as a TD compared to the ISU, but each to their own

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:37 PM

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@distant river tier 7 is technically worse because the broken tanks are more proportionally broken

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Oh i misread, i thought u said it needs balancing.

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:37 PM

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No. I think the skorpion helps to balance the sea of heavy spam

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:37 PM

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and thats why the ISU is great
its the great rebalance doomcannon of tier 8 to say sit down and be humble VK 100

of course tier 8 is beyond broken so lets play a classic that is solely used to counter this sort of thing in the same tier

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:38 PM

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So tanks that keep other tanks in check, are a bad thing?

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You want completely broken tanks then?

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 3:38 PM

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101 was my fav non-premium before batchats. Its quirky. Once you get past the narrow gun arc and non-existent gd it starts performing very well. And it doesnt feel vanilla at all to me.

shy wren Feb 21, 2019, 3:39 PM

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That’s true. The SU-101 works if you know how to drive tanks of that nature. Only use CS, and it’s AP pen is like a knife through hot butter, not to mention it’s premium HEAT pen of 374, more than enough for tier X tanks

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:40 PM

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More people should run calibrated in tier 8

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:40 PM

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the game is already heavy tank biased so my only solution for now is to play either mosquitos that annoy the big fat stupid heavies or smack em from a distance
but ey I still think the vk 100 is pretty stupid but now that I remember the IS spam

it seems perfectly reasonable to me

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:40 PM

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So you take back all of your previous anti Vk comments?

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Cs for meds seems so crippling with that already low dpm cap

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:41 PM

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except for one thing
traverse
it traverses too quickly for its size

mortal agate Feb 21, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Please NERF d.w 2

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:41 PM

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I don’t disagree

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I have the highest wr in the vk 100 across all servers

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87%

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I think that traverse is a bit much. Most mediums can’t cod you

shy wren Feb 21, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Yeah, that just turns too fast imo. Could use a minor nerf, like 5° less

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:43 PM

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that is stupidly high
and having a superheavy that outtraverses god damned meds is just wow

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:43 PM

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In which case, you win a 1v1 without any problem

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It out traverses a cod

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There’s a difference

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T34s get cod by the same meds btw

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:44 PM

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still, nothing saves it from my favorite technique
the classic ring a round a rosie away from the gun modified with sidehugs

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:44 PM

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What i don’t get is that no mediums are side hugging vk 100s

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A t54 l or mod 1 or type 59 can easily get below the gun

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:45 PM

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sidehugs are great
its the cuddle of death that I dont see often unfortunately

shy wren Feb 21, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Another issue is that the Hetzers just have insane hull traverse for it’s tier and it’s role, of almost 90°s

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:45 PM

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It’s the playerbase

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:46 PM

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I still dont get how this game attracts the people with the lowest IQ from the armpits of the world
just amazes me how this cesspool of garbage attracts the worst type of people imaginable

shy wren Feb 21, 2019, 3:48 PM

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That’s quite harsh wording, for a game you play...

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Because shooting big guns and blowing things up is fun to almost anyone

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Not really hard to understand

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:48 PM

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I have no problems with the game aside from a couple of tanks but other than that, my issues mostly lie with the playerbase

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:49 PM

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This isn’t #playerbase-discussion

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:49 PM

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but because this isnt a playerbase discussion, I'd like to speak about how crap the T-34-3 is

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:49 PM

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It’s not crap

jovial kernel Feb 21, 2019, 3:49 PM

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The VK 100 getting a gun depression nerf would be interesting in allowing more tanks to side hug

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:50 PM

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I like my t-34-3 a lot

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When people don’t know how to play a tank, they usually blame the tank

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:51 PM

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it doesnt work me, the gun handling is just not isnt there
the 34-2 imo is nice though
but the 34-3 does get its moments
like its a bit of an odd mix of a 59 and a 44-122 whenever the situation allows for trades (in which this tank excels at) but it isnt for me

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 3:51 PM

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I like it too but youre exchanging a lot of performance for the fun aspect.

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:51 PM

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It doesn’t work for you or you don’t work for the tank?

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:52 PM

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doesnt work for me, I just like my 100mms better so lemme reword my earlier statement
34-3 isnt for me

jovial kernel Feb 21, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Wait so you use the 100mm on the T-34-2? Lmao

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:52 PM

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So you don’t work for the tank

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Got it

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T-34-2 100 mm is a worse type 59

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:53 PM

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nope used the 122

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 3:53 PM

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When will be lttb nerf?

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:54 PM

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wasnt there a nerf on it not long ago? I havent played it much ever since, sold it to get through other lines

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:54 PM

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The lttb doesn’t need a nerf

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It’s pretty forgettable currently

shy wren Feb 21, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Frontal armor was nerfed to 75mm, but still works imo, as it’s angle is akin to a T-34’s upper glacis angle

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Yeah. I want bck front armor

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:55 PM

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oh yeah I think the SP1C needs a bit of a buff on shell travel time, not that I have any trouble on the current literation but would be nice if the shells arent derp tank slow

jovial kernel Feb 21, 2019, 3:55 PM

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It needs a buff in general

quick lichen Feb 21, 2019, 3:56 PM

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I think you could argue buffing all tier 7 lights to a degree

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Buff for lttb armor all we need

shy wren Feb 21, 2019, 3:56 PM

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You mean back to 90mm?

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 3:57 PM

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how so? are there more anti light tanks out there?
of course the sp is my only tier 7 light at the moment and I havent played it in two weeks so Im not really sure
lemme take it out tonight and see where it goes

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 3:57 PM

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Yeah. More troll armor for lttb

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Spic is so great tank!

iron lynx Feb 21, 2019, 3:59 PM

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The current LTTB can bounce ISU-152 shots already

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 4:00 PM

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He?

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 4:00 PM

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The reason i dont play the t-34-3 much is that you can get big alpha and good mobility but better dpm and pen on other platforms that are either a bit heavier or dont have a turret. The t-34-3 shouldnt even be in brawls anyway. I dont enjoy thr playstyle of a support med because i dont feel like i have enough effectiveness with that dpm.

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 4:01 PM

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T34 3 is defensive tank

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Shoot and hide. Only kupola can be up

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 4:02 PM

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If i want to play a 122 in mobile chassis why not play the su101 or switch to a french light that can get deeper and still escape safely. But also deliver high dmg in no time.

wraith lance Feb 21, 2019, 4:02 PM

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SP 1C should have it's intra clip reload back to 2 seconds tbh

shy wren Feb 21, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Or make it 2.5s-3s

wraith lance Feb 21, 2019, 4:05 PM

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2.5s would be nice, 3.5 seems way beyond terrible

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 4:05 PM

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@unique scaffold i like the kpz more for that playstyle.

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I feel bad for sp1cs.

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 4:06 PM

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@wraith lance for spic its not autoreloader

shy wren Feb 21, 2019, 4:06 PM

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It is, two shot autoloader

wraith lance Feb 21, 2019, 4:06 PM

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It was a fantastic tank until they added the Dracula and after they nerfed the intra clip reload tbh

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 4:07 PM

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No. Its so long for reload that two clip

wraith lance Feb 21, 2019, 4:08 PM

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What?

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 4:09 PM

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When you fight one vs one is more better one shot gun. And you have reload better in consumables, adrenalin

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What will happen when you one vs one and you must reload that two clip?? You will die faster..

wraith lance Feb 21, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Ofc the single shot gun has better DPM but the whole point of autoloaders is dealing a lot of damage on a short time

spark star Feb 21, 2019, 4:12 PM

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im back
the SP 1C needs a serious buff

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 4:14 PM

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@unique scaffold yep, the sp1c is very bad in a brawl, and that would be ok if it had more of an advatage in a contolled engagement when its not in such a big danger.

frozen vine Feb 21, 2019, 4:31 PM

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Please buff AMX 13 90, beacause T71 will yolo on AMX and kill him, without problems...

iron lynx Feb 21, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Eh
Are u sure

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 4:51 PM

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Tanks arent balanced on a 1v1 scale. They are balanced according to their role on the whole battlefield @frozen vine

frozen vine Feb 21, 2019, 4:52 PM

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Just, try it 😉

T71 have better potential, than AMX

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 4:52 PM

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@frozen vine. Neither tank is operating in a vacuum. If the 13/90 has moved beyond the support ability of his team that is on him.

Play smarter.

frozen vine Feb 21, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Do you think, I am not smart player? 😄

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 4:54 PM

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If you are getting yolo'd and killed by T71's on a normal basis you have answered your own question.

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 4:54 PM

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@frozen vine dont brawl with that tank if you find your tank not being good at it. Make sure when he rushes u he pays the price for it by you being in a position you can run away from so your team can help you with the t71.

frozen vine Feb 21, 2019, 4:55 PM

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Yea, that's the problem, because team always die faster, or ignore you 😉

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 4:55 PM

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@frozen vine youre just impatient. Dont give the enemt the chance to rush you by being in a position thats too danrgerous.

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Its not always the teams fault. You need to find a place where you can fight the enemy and still be safe to escape. Thats the most fun and important thing in the batchat line.

frozen vine Feb 21, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Really? Do you want teach me, how to play with scout?

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 4:57 PM

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@frozen vine
Wrong

I play primarily lights and mediums and I do not have the problem you are describing.

If you outrun your team's ability to support you that is on you.

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 4:58 PM

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Well you said youre getting rushed by t71s and blamed your tank so what can i tell you. Its not the tanks fault, you need to play like the tank wants you to play. You cant play the tank like you want. @frozen vine

frozen vine Feb 21, 2019, 4:59 PM

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But, it was 5th time, because these tanks are just better just compare them 😉 I am just saying AMX need buff 😉

dusky oxide Feb 21, 2019, 5:00 PM

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Ok. There is no changing your mind or your playstyle. But there also wont be any changing of the tank bacause you got rushed by a t71 five times.

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Why would you do the same thing wrong 5 times?

frozen vine Feb 21, 2019, 5:02 PM

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ok, wait

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And this is ok?

📎 2019-02-21_18-03-13.mp4

unique scaffold Feb 21, 2019, 5:04 PM

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I'm not watching that.