I shudder to think of what most of these players would have thought in +/-2. Try a stock Pershing against a Maus...
#tank-balance-discussion
drowsy plaza
marsh ginkgo
@main vine sorry about that with the t54 I really wasnt looking where I was going 😳
mellow cape
@drowsy plaza you could have +3 if you platoon with someone higher tier than you
shy ingot
Lol well considering pc is a bigger game with the amount of tanks, maps and machanics and longer games, it’s different from blitz thats a quick moving game
stone arch
Imagine the good ol days of plus 4/5 on pc
drowsy plaza
Well I’m sure some other folks here remember the failtoons of old. A MS-1 and Maus toon
mellow cape
Oh lol +5 when VK 28.01s met Maus and IS-7
stone arch
Yup, those were rough days
shy ingot
I used to play pc wot alot then started playing blitz more and more and kinda just dont play pc version anymore
mellow cape
If PC is slower paced it means that it benefits super heavies even more and so those would be even better on PC
stone arch
We don't actually have any "super" heavies besides the maus yet
drowsy plaza
These days there are no tanks you can’t Pen. In Blitz +/-2 sometimes all you could do is shoot HE and try to track reds.
shy ingot
Ehhh kinda sorta
jovial kernel
+1/-1 ultra buffed the Tankenstein :p
stone arch
There's some actually you can't pen
drowsy plaza
Not at 7+
stone arch
I just got my e75 and with it I can't pen the 263 at all
drowsy plaza
Seriously? The paper sides and weak LFP ?
stone arch
Or whatecer the damn tier 10 Russian td is with the 130
jovial kernel
sides boi
drowsy plaza
Not to mention open roof for HE
mellow cape
@shy ingot anything over 90 tons is a super heavy really so we have lots of super heavies
stone arch
not frontally
The E75 isnt the fastest tank in the world. Especially stock besides the turret
I load APCR and still the entire front is Red
drowsy plaza
@stone arch
mellow cape
The stock gun is more than adequate to pen the lower plate
drowsy plaza
Stock gun
stone arch
Not when aiming down at it
mellow cape
If the lower plate is hidden you can try sneaky shots near the gun mantlet
drowsy plaza
If you are aiming down on it use HE into crew area or area in front of the gun.
stone arch
I know I should have enough pen to do it. Its 299 apcr pen. Just it never seems to work for me
jovial kernel
If they're aiming up you can hit a shot under their gun
mellow cape
I once saw a 183 shooting HESH through the mantlet, imagine the crew if that happened in real life
stone arch
alright, honestly that tank is my biggest bane. I can do damage to maus and e100s and the like np. Just that tank... I don't know how to counter it.
drowsy plaza
jovial kernel
don't be in it's way
stone arch
I try not to be. Theyre more mobile than me, so its not like I can run. And they tend to play aggressive. Probably because of bushkas video
drowsy plaza
You need to play your team as well as your tank. E 75 is a monster, but stock and low tier it is a support tank.
stone arch
Yeah,I know that. I'm not a bad player. Just I've been neglecting to get a tier 9 for a long time. So all the tanks at tier 10 are new for me to face
drowsy plaza
Scrape off higher tier heavies if you can - and get track shots if that is all you can get.
mellow cape
E75 facing against tier 8s with 175mm pen is a nice meme
stone arch
@mellow cape yes it is
drowsy plaza
Just think this was my stock Pershing grind in 2014 - yeah that was fun...
stone arch
Oof
drowsy plaza
I remember one game when it was me left against a Maus and IS-7 they rammed me to death and I ran out of ammo bouncing.
stone arch
Ouch. Painful.
mellow cape
Same thing happened to me in some tanks Vs Matilda when I was a noob
I couldn't even pen the rear of the turret that's how bad it was
drowsy plaza
Oh I was a terrible noob in the M26. I quit US meds at the E8 in 2014 and went to US Heavies - got the E5 and then completed the US meds. I managed to stay over 50% in the US Heavies but was a solid low 40% US Med player with over 200 games in each from 4-10
Takes a lot of effort to remediate that much awful.
stone arch
I hate the AT line personally. Couldn't get past the At8
unique scaffold
Good. Less Death Star players.
stone arch
I don't want the death star lmao
Speaking if that, I've faced quite a few so far in my E75 and never had a problem with them. Don't know why people complain so much.
unique scaffold
Getting your medium nuked for 1k+ dmg from a unseen Death Star leaves a bad taste in one's mouth.
stone arch
Well don't be in that location next time
spark orchid
Bruh
mellow cape
The thing is it has too good of an accuracy for that kind of a gun
Then again scavenger exists too so 🤷
fringe summit
I’m going for the AMX heavy line, wish me luck pls :-))
stone arch
I'm at the 50 100
unique scaffold
@stone arch. So don't scout... I'll just sit by the red line with all the heavy and TD players. 🤦♂️
stone arch
Learn line of sights of common TD spots
it'll prevent most of it. Also if you know there's a 183 out there play cautiously.
If you keep getting nuked by them, when you knows there's a chance for it and you don't adjust... That's your fault.
mellow cape
It also uses hesh which is very much RNG based
You could also roll 975 on hesh to a maximum of 1625 which is a massive difference
stone arch
Yeah, but if you get shot it's because you're in a position to be shot. If youre playing against one keep in mind line of sight for possible locations
unique scaffold
It's not an issue of me knowing how to play. It's a issue of a tank flying in the face of what blitz is supposed to be about. To be honest a 183 doesn't bug me... now 2 183's on each team plus 4 other td's in the match makes for a incredibly campy and un fun game.
mellow cape
183 heavily punishes you even for a small mistake
proven helm
Ok the problem that most people have with the 183 is that it adds 0 fun to the match. All it adds is a constant fear to leave spawn and take 1/3 to 1/2 your hit points anytime u are spotted.
stone arch
I view it as a lesson.
proven helm
To learn what? Dont leave spawn? Camp?
stone arch
If you play cautiously its still a fun game.
unique scaffold
They really are an easy kill once they are spotted. It's seeing so darn many of them in a game that is the problem.
It's a low calorie tank much like the KV-2. A easy way to get maximum damage for minimum effort. They are both just a step above artillery when it comes to simplicity of play.
stone arch
You can leave spawn all you want. If you drive around like a idiot you get nuked.
Drive around smartly though, and you have a fun challenge
proven helm
Tell that to the hill snipers that see a good 60%-70% of the map and their team most likely spots the rest that is out of view range.
unique scaffold
"Drive around like a idiot" = have my cupola sniped in a hull down position by a unknown 183 for 1k+ dmg...
stone arch
And.... You were in his line of sight. Oof
unique scaffold
Yeah. Pardon me for doing my job as a medium.
stone arch
deserved it. If I can avoid them in a slow heavy you can avoid it in a mobile medium
unique scaffold
Because you are in a slow heavy and they are already spotted. They are a lot easier to avdid once someone else does the work of finding them.
proven helm
But usually nobady does cuz of 183 superior view range
stone arch
Actually no, For the most part people camp like hell because of it. I'm normally up front... In a stock E75. A prime target for it. But ya know... It just doesn't shoot at the only thing spotted right?
Perhaps because it can't, because I spent time learning lines of sight for it.
unique scaffold
Okay. Obviously you're a tier X expert. My apologies.
stone arch
If you play smartly and stay out of direct line of sight if it, that gun isn't any help
unique scaffold
Sure thing. Whatever you say.
stone arch
Not at all, just saying if you learn common postions and play around them that tank isn't good
proven helm
So let me get this straight, dont get in its line of sight, or line of sight of any position it may or may not be in, wait for it to show its ugly head (which seldom happens unless it shoots or team spots) and shoot it without getting shreeded by another 6 tanks?
stone arch
Not saying it'll stop you from ever getting hit. Just most of the time. There will always be the players that take up weird spots with TDs and such.
I...am beginning to feel like you guys never looked into map set ups and the such. Theres plenty of spots where you can be effective and out of direct line of sight of TDs.
Especially In a low slung medium
unique scaffold
I have a very good understanding of maps. Thanks.
stone arch
If you say man.
regal grove
@stone arch u reveal your own skill, spock here is aight with strats
unique scaffold
30 day stats
60% Win Rate
47% survival
2.23 Spot rate.
Avg Tier is 7.
You really want to tell me I don't know how to scout?
stone arch
@regal grove We all have our ways of playing, if one strat doesn't work then I change it to the situation.
And I understand if he's considered a good player, but even good players have things to learn
Just as I do
WR doesn't mean much. To biased towards the teams you get. Also based on the amount of games you play. If you say only play a game a day and win 18 games that's 60%. Not even considering if you're platooned during those games.
unique scaffold
Okay as soon as you said "WR doesn't mean much" you lost all credibility. I'm done here.
stone arch
60% completely solo is impressive though I would say
eager stratus
Wg must Balance the low tier Sektion (1-5)
stone arch
It truly shouldn't. It isn't a reliable state to say the least.
Also it's effected by people who play tanks repeatedly to up the stat.
Like a player I've seen with 16 k battles and 15.2k of those in the VK 36.01 with like a 80% wr in it
regal grove
which is why spock said he plays high average tier
unique scaffold
Only bad players think that win rate is biased towards the teams you get. We all get the same horrible teammates. A good player makes the most of it and wins the majority of the time. A bad player blames the teams.
stone arch
@regal grove That could also mean the Tiger P or several other extremely strong tanks at tier 7
drowsy plaza
stone arch
I don't blame my team, there's games you just can't carry. If I know I have a chance then of course I'll try. I'll try even if I don't. And if I make mistakes, I learn from them.
drowsy plaza
183’s are an issue. Mostly they can be negated by good med drivers - but...
stone arch
^ Never said they weren't a issue, just most of it can be negated if you play well
drowsy plaza
It’s really annoying when they do land a good hit on you - and the bigger issue with 183’s is 90% of them are absolutely useless - with the vast majority of their damage done after the game is lost.
unique scaffold
^^^
stone arch
Honestly I think the badger fits better in blitz than the 183
never said I agree with the 183 being in the game,just that its there and its there to stay for now
Might as well learn to play around it, O honestly hope we get tier 10 lights
coarse harness
The 183 is just as easy to play with, as against it
chrome epoch
We already have one tier 10 light @stone arch
stone arch
@chrome epoch The rest of them
jovial kernel
The problem is that all you need to look unicum by WN8 is a 183 and a Helsing
stone arch
Helsing personally is worse than 183 imo
jovial kernel
You pad your winrate with the Helsing and pad your average damage with the 183 and you just need to be capable of tapping things
stone arch
It is every kinda of tank when you need it to be.
chrome epoch
What other tanks could we add to tier 10 that are lights? The only things that fit in t10 are either superheavy fictional tanks from the end of WW2 or MBT's like the M1 Abrams (which in it's first mod we could add)
jovial kernel
Dude the Abrams armor would be broken as all hell in blitz
stone arch
You do know PC has tier 10 lights right?
chrome epoch
I've never played PC soooooo
regal grove
t-100LT, Chinese thingy
chrome epoch
Huh
stone arch
The only problem on PC with them is they nerfed their VR into the ground comparatively to other tier 10s
unique scaffold
Sheridan.
chrome epoch
Oh yeahhhhh
I forgot about the Sheridan
jovial kernel
WZ-132-1 would be fun
unique scaffold
Lights are hard to balance. They over perform because a good player can make them sing while a bad player falls flat on their face in them. If you balance to a good player you make them unplayable to a bad player. The SP1C for example.
You can't balance knowledge and knowledge is what it takes to play a light well. Same with mediums to a slightly lesser degree.
jovial kernel
Just take a Type 62 and slam spaced armor all over then add a 121b turret basically
chrome epoch
Then there are tanks that don't play like their class, like the M3 Lee should've been a TD, the Amx 40 should be a heavy, the MT-25 plays like a medium for me, etc
unique scaffold
MT-25? That tank is a nearly perfect light tank.
jovial kernel
I would play that if the engines didn't take so much xp and it wasn't so large
stone arch
Mt 25 is so underrated
unique scaffold
Designed to flank, dump a clip, and then rinse and repeat.
Bulldog is severely underrated as well.
stone arch
I actually perfer the Mt over lttb
unique scaffold
LTTB was over nerfed because good players could do beautiful things in it.
stone arch
T71 is under rated too for some reason
unique scaffold
Because it's ugly. I can't play ugly tanks.
stone arch
To me its a better 13 75
unique scaffold
71 looks like someone asked a blind child to draw a tank.
stone arch
I like the look of it to be fully honest.
unique scaffold
the T92 is what the T71 should be.
stone arch
It would probably do just fine at tier 8 for a light
Be a direct rival to the AMX 90 for a light
fossil crag
💦 @unique scaffold Beautiful vehicle
stone arch
@unique scaffold Personally 76mm gun is fine, as long as it have to clip size to compensate
Just give it 4 or 5 shells or have the clip reload fairly short compared to the t71
shut wigeon
Well armored vk 45 03 lol. Wargarming do you really play your own game?
drowsy plaza
*Exceptionally well armored if it was a tier 5...
fossil crag
It's advertisement, meant to convince someone to buy something. How do you expect WG to make money if their advertisements say "This tank is actually really mediocre, everything else is better in Tier 7, buy now!"
brazen frost
Never played either but the VK 45.02 P at tier 8 has 20mm more frontal hull armor, but that’s it
drowsy plaza
Both are heaviums - don’t rely on their armor
brazen frost
Ah. Then I can see how misleading WG is being
jovial kernel
Even the IS-3 5 and 6 aren't meant to rely on armor either but they get to for some reason
proven helm
Them russian angles man
drowsy plaza
Russian heaviums are better armored than German heaviums
jovial kernel
russian heaviums are better armored than german heavium(e)s
proven helm
Lol so true
drowsy plaza
But have Russian guns to balance. If we had larger maps the Russians would suffer - but they are significantly more noob friendly in Blitz than other lines
shut wigeon
@fossil crag At they should tell this tank has good dpm, penetration and gun handlings for its tier. Saying excelent armor is a pure lie.
quiet kite
Both of those vks are more for dpm than actually playing the heavy role however the vk 45.02 a can play as a pure heavy when absolutely necessary.
fossil crag
Still trying to figure out what tanks you guys are trying to compare. Tiger 2 and above aren't heaviums. VK 45 A is a heavium, but then comparing it to equal tier Russians makes no sense because those tanks are heavies, not heaviums. 🤔
jovial kernel
the 45.02 A can not play as a heavy, that's why every nub thinks it sucks
shut wigeon
@drowsy plaza Accuracy system in this game is broken. I see is-5 hitting Vk 100 cuppolas over 200 meters without aiming. Even the damn kv-2 can reliably snipe in this game.
jovial kernel
My IS-6 hit a Tiger (P)'s lower plate when their plate was half hidden and I was on the move
quiet kite
@shut wigeon that's a load of bull. I could be fully aimed in a kv2 from 50 meters away and miss the shot.
@jovial kernel take it from someone who's grinded that line. It's not as bad as people think. And I said it only plays the heavy role when absolutely necessary. It's a support tank most of the time.
shut wigeon
It should be like that in kv-2. You shouldnt hit a thing over 50 meters in kv-2. Broken accuracy system allows you to snipe evrn with the most inaccurate gun in game.
drowsy plaza
Playing the 45.02 A as a Heavy is a recipe for disaster.
shut wigeon
45 02a needs buff.
quiet kite
@drowsy plaza I grinded through it, The armor can work if you have a corner to work and some debris to cover the lower plate with. The turret is the same as the tiger II's turret, it's not all that bad once you get used to switching between support and heavy alot. Takes some practice though.
jovial kernel
45.02 A needs a buff as badly as the Caernarvon does, also known as not needing a buff
quiet kite
I actually enjoy it more than the tiger ii
shut wigeon
" some debris to cover the lower plate with."
Vk has same effective armor at lower plate and upper plate. So it doesnt matter if you hide your lower plate. Not at all.
quiet kite
You talking about the A or B? because I think you're misunderstanding something about the tank.
drowsy plaza
@quiet kite I ground it back in 2014/15. I went back and remediate it in 2016, but far from enjoyable. It’s a very similar play style to the Super Pershing, that bounces less for a better gun. and if I play that type, I’ll take credits over less credits.
shut wigeon
A.
And no i didnt misunderstand anything about vk. Its underpowered and needs buff.
quiet kite
@drowsy plaza I find the super pershing pretty enjoyable too but I guess that's just my play style.
jovial kernel
Well then Ford? What's so bad about it? It's about on par with the stock gun IS-6 when I see them, and that's rather decent in terms of viability.
shut wigeon
@jovial kernel Gun depression. - 6 is a joke.
quiet kite
Lmao you're playing it as a gun depression tank?
jovial kernel
Actually yes I could support a buff to 8 degrees of gun depression but otherwise it's fine
shut wigeon
@quiet kite turret has enough place to depress the gun to - 8 but some how vk has - 6. Its a sick joke when defender has - 7.
jovial kernel
I could get behind that to be perfectly honest because currently the IS-6 has the same dun depression
quiet kite
The defender isn't even a proper IS-3A. On console and pc it has less gun depression and in real life and other platforms it never had a 3 shot autoloader but rather an assisted loading system like the IS-7. I'd rather you didn't compare it to that aids.
jovial kernel
actually it does have a 3 shot autoloader on PC on the 1.4 test server
shut wigeon
Actually i referred that to see the russian bias in this game.
drowsy plaza
K-91 depression
molten umbra
Vk72 01K dpm buff?
jovial kernel
something something Russian tanks pay for mobility and armor with guns
jade cargoBOT
fuzzie1983#0461 was muted
jovial kernel
thanks
hidden merlin
I sure as hell wasn't clicking on it
jovial kernel
I clicked on it it lead to the website of a Polish bank apparently
No I don't know either
frozen monolith
I really hope they change the WZ-120-1 FT ... I don't really want a nerf, just change it some. The vehicle is no fun to play against. More than once I've found myself at the receiving end of that punishing gun with no chance of returning damage (even with premium ammo)
jovial kernel
you mean the TD?
that would be the WZ-120-1 FT, as the WZ-120 is a separate balanced tank
frozen monolith
Thanks. I was looking at the graphs posted in #devs-answers and couldn't really remember the full, english name.
jovial kernel
Well we could give tier 8 the Helsing/Drac treatment and buff everything in an attempt to power creep it
quick lichen
You could move them to tier 8
jovial kernel
I meant like buff every other tank to by comparison make the offending premium worse
unique scaffold
Amazing idea...
proud yew
I think WZ is strong but not impervious to taking damage
jovial kernel
Well it doesn't really need to be when it has the dpm, pen, and mobility to kill the target anyways
proud yew
I own it and love it, but there are many tanks that can kick your bum in it. It’s hitpoint pool is low as it is so it makes up for everything. You put it in a bad spot you die quick
jovial kernel
If you put it in any half assed decent spot you win
proud yew
With team make up these days, not true
jovial kernel
I mean you only have 245+mm penetration, medium tank mobility, 2800 dpm, over 240mm effective frontal armor, and you're the size of an E 25 to top it off
proud yew
Although maybe I’m biased I have 44 masteries in the tank lol
unique scaffold
Just stop we all know its OP
proud yew
I just don’t want my fav tank nerfed lol. I know it is pretty op
unique scaffold
Premiums don't get nerfed
At least the high-tier ones
jovial kernel
I swear you seem like you'd be generalbigben lol
real grove
fv 215b 183 needs to be nerfed, or something to prevent all the camping
tender dagger
@unique scaffold “premium don’t get nerfed” WG has set a precedent so I wouldn’t bet on it NOT happening to ANY tanks in the future
near pagoda
@unique scaffold Premiums don’t get nerfed, no they become collectibles then get the nerf!
Unless it’s the CCs clubbers of choice, of course!
near pagoda
For now
iron hearth
When wz 120 ft buff i have 70% on it im not complaining too much but its lower plate is too weak it should be at least 200m to make the tank more competitive and maybe a bit more gun arc from 10 to 15 pls wg 🙏
jovial kernel
lol
late tiger
@iron hearth no the tank has troll armour, the tank is low and easy to take cover, very good speed and manuveracy and the gun is excellent
shut wigeon
Yeah buff wz 120-1g FT please. What worse can happen?
jovial kernel
He's trolling lmao
Also what you talking about? The tank would be barely usable at tier 1
iron hearth
People dont know this 122 mm can overmatch the side of the tank is not that op
jovial kernel
Oh yeah like you're gonna let a heavy tank see the side of you
unique scaffold
Finally. I have been unchained. Huge problems with full rotation at tank (when you press only "A" or "D"). A/D rotation is angled presuming that the tank moves in front. But if the tank went in back, A/D rotation rotate the opposite way. (Pressing A will not rotate in the same direction as pressing S+A, for example). I suggest that if the last move the tank made was to go in front, A should rotate to left and D to right, but if the last move the tank made was to go in back, A should rotate to right and D to left. Also, please nominate the most experienced player in the team (kills/deaths) as COMMANDER and let him draw on the map, to organise his team. Players just rush as noobs now and teamwork is too bad. Please balance the teams better. Superior tanks are really OP and hard to kill, so they should be like 1 per team or so. Not 2-3 because then all it reduces to what team has the superior rank tanks! Add more bullet shells type please. The shell system is really unexplored right now compared to other "World of" games Some tanks have 2 cannons, but use only one. Maybe you could change that?
iron lynx
They tried it on the Helsing
You saw how well it worked
cyan sundial
When you can transliterate but not translate Russian
urban sleet
#BUFF t-44-100
for now normal t-44 is 2 times better tank,and t-44-100 should be improved version?
drowsy plaza
T-44-100 has side skirts. It’s a significant advantage against HE/HEAT tanks.
shut wigeon
@drowsy plaza T-44-100 has only 6mm side skirts. Its way more slower then t-44 and gun depression is -5 instead of -7. Those side skirts isnt enough to cover its disadvantages.
idle portal
They just got to fix a few tanks that weren’t balanced properly from the update and we are good.
urban sleet
gj ford,u know the game,issue is ppl who dont know or didnt play the tanks they talk about them,t-44-100 is most hated prem tank t8 in game,almost no one likes it from good players
and dont worry u dont need heat to pen a medium tanks side hahah
shut wigeon
In my opinion t-44-100 can use some gun handlings buff to have some edge over t-44.
dusky locust
Are the devs doing something about military honor?
shut wigeon
Why do you want to change military honor? Its working as intended.
urban sleet
yea i agree man,he doesnt have anything that would make people say o i want that tank,and yet they were selling it for really high price,14 k gold if im correct?
unique scaffold
I love it. People complain about premiums being over powered when compared to their tech tree counterparts and they complain when they are under powered compared to their tech tree counterparts.
The only constant is the complaining 🤣
ashen marsh
Buff t32 pen
woven dawn
WZ is bad
violet burrow
T32 pen is fine
coarse harness
Not really fine, but overall the tank is like balanced
violet burrow
There's hasn't been any buffs nor nerfs for a long time for the T32
unique scaffold
Give the T23e3 the same treatment the E-25 received. A high pen apcr round as standard ammo and a higher pen HEAT as the pramo. Basically give it a faster firing version of the gun the top single shot bulldog gun.
shut wigeon
Bulldog gun isnt any better then t23e3 gun. So that really wont make the tank any better.
craggy dust
I got t23e3 like two months ago in a crate and still haven’t play it a single time
unique scaffold
T23E3 is really good as it is currently
drowsy plaza
@shut wigeon my point was the T-44-100 is a great anti T49 system as well as it works well against a lot of TD’s. Personally I didn’t really enjoy it, but I don’t think it is significantly underperforming. I’m very leery of buffs to Premiums - as you can end up with the Löwe factor in that it gets a buff or two past when it was a great example of a premium tank. Premium tanks shouldn’t be OP, or even slightly more dominant than their tech tree counterparts. Premiums should grind credits not stat pad WR’s
fiery cairn
Cough* Helsing * cough
gloomy gull
Vindicator is strange why does it have two heat shells
slender briar
That's kinda been thrown out the window by and large. Since the Bromwell/Rudy were introduced.
urban sleet
i wonder why bad players are acting like they know something
first get at least unicum status
exotic pelican
too crap to realize their bad?
pale cosmos
When I play like 30k battle. I know some. At that time I thought I was pro. After play 70k. Then I see that I know nothing kkk
urban sleet
i just see guys here
with wn8 1.4k,1.8k i wont name them acting smart and that they know each tank how to play,for example my wn8 is 3170
funny 😃
violet arrow
buff 183.
thick rover
Buff leopard 1
unique scaffold
Stop with your wishes wg will buff the tanks that are bad by the numbers
slender briar
Unless they're totally outclassed <<1375>>
clever mauve
no it doesnt lol
empty wharf
I don't know if somebody opened the topic about Vk100. 01P. But this thing need to be nerfed, it has too much armor behind the tracks (100mm to be exact) for comparison the Maus has 80mm
You cant pen this Tank with the tracks... Or when it's angled
slender briar
Shoot above the tracks, at the 130mm thick portion
coarse harness
The lower plate is extremely weak, so you don't even have to
woven dawn
M10 is better than T23E3
slender briar
M10 is hot garbage lol
empty wharf
@slender briar sure but when you want to track this beast and outrun it...
slender briar
empty wharf
@coarse harness without an angle 171mm base
coarse harness
I could easily pen it with 181mm pen
empty wharf
Think about the medium tanks with there 175mm or less
50%/50% mate and 90% of the time you have the tank not straight in front of zou
slender briar
Mediums and lights aren't supposed to be fighting superheavies head to head. That's why the TX meds got massively nerfed
coarse harness
You know the armor profiles between PC and Blitz are different, right ?
Just because that's armor inspector for WoT PC, not blitz
slender briar
Wait, that's from normalization, not from model differences
That's the right value, even if it's from PC
empty wharf
@coarse harness pls look on the left top corner
I have just pick the x-ray-> armor selection not the penetration calculater
slender briar
@empty wharf you're right :)
Normalization for AP will bring down the effective armors to 160mm or so
unique scaffold
I am sure they will buff Ke Ni Otsu
Anyway I think Excelsior is great, gained gold with collectors and picked it yesterday at half the original gold amount, not good at penetration but the armour and the speed (very good for a heavy, it moves almost like a med) make up to it. I know it probably will never have a buff or nerf, or at least I hope not the latter, but 9x mm pen is really low for a 75 mm, even after placing equipments
jovial kernel
@unique scaffold Yeah no you can't give the T23E3 a high pen round without giving the same treatment to the Comet, T-43, and Rudy. Tier 7 mediums for the most part are known for high dpm low penetration guns.
unique scaffold
At least the Comet has turret armor to depend and the Rudy and T-43 each bring their own strengths. I just feel that the T23e3 and Panther M10 have been severely power creeped by the meta changes since 3.6.
jovial kernel
I mean the Panther/M10 has needed buffs for about forever now as it never got a better gun. I think that that should get the E 25 ammo to compete better with the Panther as it has less dpm than the other mediums. The T23E3 has always been slightly worse than tech tree tanks, as premium tanks should be. The Comet gets gun depression and a turret over it, the T-43 gets alpha and hull armor with a bit less dpm, the Panther gets a high penetration gun at the cost of quite a bit of dpm, the Rudy has less gun depression for more alpha, the only tank that has no advantages is the Panther/M10 which gets the dpm and alpha penalty the Panther gets without the return on penetration.
bold wigeon
It got a large traverse buff a while back, but nothing since then.
slender briar
T23E3 is better than the M10 anyway.
jovial kernel
Yeah, it's smaller, has more dpm, more gun depression, and is more mobile
exotic pelican
Rudy has 8 degrees of gun depression
jovial kernel
T-43 and Rudy have 8 degrees, but the T23E3 has 10 and the Comet has 12
slender briar
The M10 also has 8. And nothing on any of the above tanks
lilac depot
Dracula and t49a are better
exotic pelican
In my opinion I think KV-5 needs a buff
jovial kernel
There's exactly no reason to drive the Panther/M10 over other tier 7 mediums
exotic pelican
Anyone else think KV-5 needs a buff?
jovial kernel
Eh it's not really a bad tank, it's just not great either
sullen vault
It got a new gun and armor buff and now wanting more buffs lel
quartz crown
Oh
brazen frost
@sullen vault the second gun is necessary. The first gun when you get it has 167 pen. It can’t pen itself. So the second gun sacrifices reload time for pen. The pen goes to 219, which is adequate but not great. The dpm drops way down and with 320 alpha, it feels pretty weak
Also those cancerous tumors on the front aren’t very well armored, so it relies on reverse sidescraping. I think the armor on those should be slightly improved, the ammo should be AP/APCR/HE instead of HEAT as prammo, and a higher reverse speed (from 11 to 20?) so it can reverse sidescrape better. It still suffers from turret cheeks, low alpha, mediocre pen, mediocre maneuvering, gun handling, and camo
flat zephyr
@jovial kernel no it's completely underperforming and bad as tog🤔
jovial kernel
boi did you call tog bad
Anyone that calls IS-6 bad needs to rethink their opinion
dim field
Tog is beautiful
brazen frost
Does anyone remember when you could make the TOG glitch on Castilla and go flying?
flat zephyr
@jovial kernel is6 is good. Not bad not very good but good. Kv5 is trash
brazen frost
@flat zephyr I think IS-6 and KV-5 are on par
flat zephyr
No kv5 is much weaker than is6
brazen frost
Give both the first gun though and KV wins by a landslide
The KV-5 weighs twice as much as the IS-6 and can go 40. One good ram puts the IS-6 on a steep downside
jovial kernel
I use the stock gun on the IS-6
flat zephyr
@brazen frost even on the first gun is6 is good
stone arch
The is6s armor is kinda based on your luck though
You can wiggle all your want, but you're hoping your red friend has bad RNG
IMO Kv5 is more reliable
I took think they need to buff the reverse speed on the kv5 though. Or buff the tumors. Personally I was fine with the stock gun. Two Kv5s hardly ever meet.
brazen frost
The stock gun can’t even pen the front of the Kv-5 without prammo or hitting one of the mini turrets. Just angle the kv and 80% of the IS-6 shots will bounce. Because of prammo nerf, the IS-6 with stock gun is significantly weaker against superheavies
@stone arch you have better luck than me. First game I went out in my KV-5, I had to 1v1 a KV-4
stone arch
^ Exactly, not to mention everyone tends to forget the KV5s stock gun can pen the Is6
so you do have a big DPM advantage
brazen frost
The Kv-5 also has a strong engine. It can move it’s 100 ton bulk at 40 pretty easily. It’s amazing at ramming mediums and the occasional blind light
stone arch
Everyone doubt's the kv5 for some reason. Probably because it has a medium tank gun. Which personally I strange because people dont look down at the british heavies as much
brazen frost
It’s the tumors. Everyone assumes the armor is null because of the turmors
viscid kettle
Most people have trouble taking down a KV5
stone arch
it really isn't. 175 pen isn't enough to get through them most of the time
You have to hit them flat to pen easily
viscid kettle
No its not hard, but people still have trouble with it
maybe they just wait to zero in on the front
stone arch
Man I've watched jadtigers bounce off the tumors because they got unlucky and glanced off it on the sides
jovial kernel
The KV-5 is a better tank than the IS-6 but in a team situation the IS-6 just works better
sullen vault
Just play wz 120 ft :vvvv
stone arch
If it comes to carrying though, Kv5 all the way
brazen frost
I’d take my WZ over Kv-5 most of the time 😃
stone arch
Chinese heavies are well....
jovial kernel
IS-6 can carry much better than the KV-5 can in experience
Got a 1st class game in it last night where I carried a tier 9 game
easily the best tier 8 medium
brazen frost
I’d take Defender over IS-6 unless it’s a 1v1
jovial kernel
defender uses APCR though
brazen frost
So does the top gun on the IS-6
stone arch
Aye
jovial kernel
What makes you think I use the top gun
stone arch
Any advice for the t25 2
brazen frost
I’ve tried using the lower gun but too often I end up having to use prammo. The top gun’s standard round is the same pen as the lower gun’s prammo, so I basically use standard prammo and premium prammo with the top gun
jovial kernel
Stock gun with calibrated shells is very good
brazen frost
T-25 2: don’t think you can bounce, you can’t. Out dpm the [edited] out of anything you can. Stay back, at least second line. Don’t exchange too much; conserve your hp for late-game
stone arch
Alright, I just bought the thing. I've heard several play styles, play it like a second line medium, straight TD etc
brazen frost
@jovial kernel to me, I have two options: lower gun with calibrated, or upper gun with rammer. That makes lower gun have slightly higher dpm, but still lower pen. It also makes upper gun have slightly lower dpm, but higher pen
jovial kernel
I use lower gun with calibrated and run right down medium lane and it has the armor, mobility, dpm, penetration, and alpha to wreck whatever medium tank you meet
brazen frost
@stone arch I hated the tank so I hope you do well. I think I was just a noob at the time. I think I tried playing it like a T67, snipe until I have no viable targets, then rush the remaining tanks and blitz them. Except the T-25 2 can’t Blitz, it’s slow. So I usually was the last one left or the first to die. Don’t do that 😛
Except Type 59s @jovial kernel
stone arch
@brazen frost Thank you for the advice man, I didn't even play the hellcat like the t67 lol. T67 got away with it because there's less derps with massive HE damage down there.
jovial kernel
Actually it tags Type 59s as well but the WZ-120-1 FT wrecks the IS-6 just like it wrecks everything else
brazen frost
@jovial kernel I found the Type 59 had too much armor for AP usually. I might try the lower gun some more and see if the calibrated shells help
I’m glad I picked up the WZ. If you can’t beat them, join them and kill them that way
regal grove
Lol WZ a bit too op
I’ve seen 40%er‘ get nearly 60%
brazen frost
Some tanks are OP with certain metas. As metas change, those tanks become less OP (or they’re just broken and are OP at everything)
jovial kernel
So the WZ-120-1 FT? That's OP at everything
drowsy plaza
Great T49 food.
native sky
My amx is food
regal grove
cant be T49 food if you can barely flank it
brazen frost
If the meta was all T49s, Skorps, ISUs, and Borsigs, I’d say the WZ would struggle
regal grove
but it aint
brazen frost
But it might
regal grove
full of fat slow soviet heavies
brazen frost
I’d agree with a nerf, except I have the tank so it’s kinda counter intuitive 😛
thick rover
I don't the the winrate numbers are the only factor defining whether a tank should be buffed/nerfed especially since it also greatly depends on the number of people owning that tank. As one can see with the M60 and the like the winrate are very different because less/more people have them. For example, what could be feeding the buffs of the T62-A is because it has been buffed so much more and more players are getting it even if they are not so good and as a result the winrate drops and will feed a series of buffs if you just look at winrate....certain tanks in the need of a buff are curtained by raw winrate without taking into account the player base.....
drowsy plaza
WG looks at several things - WR and Avg Dmg being the major factors.
From 55-65% WR players who’ve played at least 1% of their games for the period in that tank.
drowsy rivet
I think the T62A needs better gun handling and armour
midnight dome
I think you just need to get good 🙆
dry orbit
After playing for almost 3.5 years, I had decided to deleted this game and also my account as this new players are foolish and make this game unworthy, unsporting and unplayable easily.
No one is playing Ratings battle and regular battles algorithms are filled with noobs. Most of the battles are one sided win and as soon as the game start, you can had the feeling about the team noobness. For so long , they had never given me as premium tank from free containers, but they are given inexperienced new players higher tier tank. Which result the worst gaming result as most of them died on zero.
This game will be remembered in gaming history to be turn out be ruined by developers.
sick fog
@drowsy rivet I don't think so, the t62A is already a Monster at tier 10 and if you angle it correctly you can bounce a lot of shells.
unique scaffold
@stone arch that whole line is beast I’m on t28 Proto right now only need 20k more for t30. The trick to playing t25/2 like others said is to stay second line but don’t really play like a camping td because you’re able to out dpm a lot of tanks at that tier but also make sure you don’t take hits as some can he your sides. The trick to proto once you get to it is play it like a heavy and it has that troll of a flat panel, use it to your advantage when turning corners angle that plate and it also has great gun depression where you can also get great bounces off that plate, hope that helps!
drowsy rivet
@dry orbit thanks for deleting your account! That’s one less nub!
dry orbit
@drowsy rivet now at least u will not die on zero...lol
main drift
@dry orbit I hear that from clan mates and active players everyday, I think there has been a downturn in opinion towards the game. I think it’s been over the last couple of updates but was masked somewhat by the mad games. It’s a shame because we had a great game on our hands and hopefully with a bit of tinkering we will again.
dry orbit
@main drift I totally agreed with you, as in first year battles I had goosebumps and raised hearts beats during battles. Nowadays it’s totally upon lucky, which team you gets.
They can easily fix this issue by merging all the different battles types into one.
lone obsidian
enjoy ur time off dkarg..
unique scaffold
Can someone help me?
steep laurel
@unique scaffold ask the CIA
unique scaffold
Chief the CIA??? They wont talk to me anymore
steep laurel
Dang
Ever since you escaped that prison it's been wild.. hope you're okay @unique scaffold
empty wharf
Idk but I have the feeling that there are too much noobs with 48% wn8 in the Tier 10 battles... Normally I got an 59% wn8 but since the update 5.5 I stuggle to win a battle... Everytime I am on top of dmg and exp but lose...
I love this game, I play since 2014 but these days are though...
quick lichen
@empty wharf I started out as a 46% player but now I’m at 67% and have been to three offline tournaments. Most people are trying to learn and get better
empty wharf
@quick lichen
Sure everybody starts as a noob but they are getting to fast to tier 10... Less knowlage to play with good players.
They are to offensive and don't have a feeling how to push or hold a position...
quick lichen
There’s always a learning curve
unique scaffold
@steep laurel ive been captured again
drowsy plaza
@empty wharf more noobs in X means you should win more. You just need to adapt
unique scaffold
Adapting is no fun. Much easier to complain.
empty wharf
@drowsy plaza well when your team dies like Flys...
remote basin
thats always
hushed fox
Opinions on K-91?
orchid grove
It looks ok. Nothing special
slender briar
What’s the intraclip? 🤔
slender briar
Nope. What kind of autoloader is that?
slender briar
I believe you, that’s just... meh...
unique scaffold
Hi people
cold plank
Stug need balance next update
unique scaffold
Whats your opinion on the amx 50B
dense sleet
@quick lichen I want the k91 so bad since I'm beast in autoloaders but too expensive cause wargaming is greedy with overpriced tanks
drowsy plaza
Then don’t buy it. Problem solved.
unique scaffold
@quick lichen cool i almost got it
spring pelican
lol @drowsy plaza your solutions are dead on point
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold well... im on tier 8
spring pelican
Batchat is better then 50b (for me)
quick lichen
@dense sleet it was sold originally in crates and other tier 9s are sold for $75. It’s not over priced. If anything it’s cheaper than before
spring pelican
all tanks are cheaper if you compare them with first sale @quick lichen
drowsy plaza
Wasn’t a crate. I bought it direct. I don’t crate.
stoic pebble
@spring pelican Since you believe the batchat is better than the 50b, can you give me some motivation to grind credits for the batchat and not slack off.
spring pelican
lol it does as much dmg as 183 does and it goes 60km per hour @stoic pebble
quick lichen
I thought I bought 5 crates and got it on the 4th one
drowsy plaza
I don’t crate ever.
quick lichen
Too much to remember
stoic pebble
@spring pelican this is my problem tho, doesn't the bc 25t AP do the same thing but a tier lower?
proven helm
The only crates i do are the free ones i get and hope for, and sometimes get, free prem tanks lol.
spring pelican
well no with top gun on BC then it doesnt do same thing
drowsy plaza
If It was a crate this is then third offering, as it was sold in store previously
dense sleet
It's still overpriced as hell
stoic pebble
well if its overpriced buy some other premium tank or just enrich the 50 100 lol
dense sleet
@drowsy plaza it was a crate, that's why didn't buy it
drowsy plaza
I’ve never bought a crate tank and I have it....
proven helm
The problem most players have is that they feel that its their dicision if things are overpriced. If the developers see people not buying the product they will lower it. But at the end of the day its the devs choice of what is expensive, in terms of their content, not the players. You can always just not buy it.
dense sleet
Ya but the devs don't care about that, also lots of people would buy a 100$ tank but mainly because they have money coming in from patrons and that
drowsy plaza
Everything in life has a cost. If WG wasn’t getting sales at the high prices they wouldn’t be selling them that high.
dense sleet
Or they could lower it a bit more and get more sales and earn more money 🤔
stoic pebble
blitz is pretty tame when you compare it to monsters like FGO
drowsy plaza
Ever tank I’ve bought has been self funded. Blitz is actually a very cheap hobby.
slender briar
If you play as many games as you do 😝
dense sleet
I'm at 17k games
drowsy plaza
55,563...
dense sleet
That's a bit
stoic pebble
registered in 2014, only at 13.8k.. sigh
drowsy plaza
Plus tournament, rated and CWs
slender briar
I’m still at 46¢/hour of gameplay. That doesn’t account for ratings, CWs or Tournaments, or clan time.
Probably a lot closer to 30¢ per hour
dense sleet
Ya know what I would be really nice? every 250$ u spent on the game you get a free tank of your choice
slender briar
I’ve gotten that. T34 and IS-2 I got for free
dense sleet
How?
slender briar
Contests. Those have died for the most part though
dense sleet
O
unique scaffold
K91 was first time in crates, second time sold normally and this is the third time its being sold
tardy meadow
I want the IS-3D but i guess never gona get it 😦
rancid sail
@tardy meadow isnt it gonna be in the fair though?
rancid sail
Yeah, you are probably gonna have to pay the equivelent of 200 dollars if u want it
tardy meadow
:I
rancid sail
I know that i am gonna personally get it. I have been wanting that thing for a while now
tardy meadow
Thats the last tank i want
rancid sail
For me its the hellsing and is3d, the crates screwed me over. Bought many, didnt get a damn thing
tardy meadow
I would say buy only 2 and hope for the best
rancid sail
Yeh, i really wanted it though. So i ended up buying many
tardy meadow
i hope i can get the defender
quick lichen
@rancid sail behave please
rancid sail
@quick lichen what did i do??
rancid sail
@quick lichen oh, sorry. Ok
cunning sleet
Vk 45 A needs buffs or Made into a medium
indigo knot
@quick lichen did you play Vk100.01p ....what are your thoughts on it....Op or not ....and what should be nerfed if you found it OP
quick lichen
I’m grinding it right now. It’s very strong
I don’t know if it needs more than a slight rof nerf
Yes it has great armor
It’s hp is low for its size and in the tier
sullen vault
heard alot about its traverse being too good for how much it gives.
quick lichen
Eh. I haven’t felt it
stone arch
Personally facing it, it's annoying to face in a equal tier tank at times. From what I've seen is it can beat most other heavies if they're both using cover and etc and unable to push on each other to hard.
Frontally it's hard if they're even a half decent player. It's when it gets pushed on hard when it becomes easier. Even then, even a slight angling you can bounce fairly easily on its weak points if you're not careful.
And compared to the other tier 8s german heavies.... It's dpm is a bit to good. Especially when you sometimes will need apcr to even pen the lower plate depending on the heavy you choose.
Of course that's just my personal experience. I haven't driven it. @quick lichen
storm jungle
They ruined the Pz3
quick lichen
Every low tier tank was rebalanced
cunning sleet
I hate this update so much
lone pecan
I think the pz 38 (t) needs to be re-added
spare blade
a lot of tanks should be readded
bring back low tier derps! don't make new players have to grind for derping, the most fun aspect of the game
lone pecan
They should’ve just nerfed them a bit to lower damage. That way, low tier players would know what it’s like
spare blade
all the tanks from tier 1-3 only do 30-50 damage
cunning sleet
@quick lichen Ive never played it before
limpid stratus
Bring back low tier
quick lichen
Wait
Vk 45 A needs buffs or Made into a medium - @cunning sleet
But you’ve never played the tank
I’ve seen it all now
🤦🏼♂️
cunning sleet
Tell me what is so good about it because you can play good in every tank that’s normal but everyone says it’s bad i thought not but the players that play it are bad it has and even thought the turret is in front you cant peek your turret and angle your front plate behind a building
drowsy plaza
It’s not a heavy. It’s a Heavium that exceeds at medium killing.
quick lichen
high shale
@lean forge any plan about new physics in wot blitz? Like Wot PC physics?
novel dragon
Can Wargaming remove all the tanks that dont even exist?
Gravedigger
Helsing H0
Scavenger
Etc
quick lichen
They could
You’d also have to get rid of all the paper tanks that never existed as well
novel dragon
Exactly
novel dragon
M103 does exist
Its a cold war tank
quick lichen
E5 then
What you’re asking for is ridiculous
And it’ll never happen
Blitz isn’t a ww2 simulator
novel dragon
I meant tanks like Gravedigger or the Tankenstien
quick lichen
Don’t play tier 7 ¯_(ツ)_/¯
novel dragon
I have to whether I like it or not
lunar niche
People who says VK 100 is op are probably the same people who shoot HEAT on the spaced side armour.
small flame
its a very strong tank. theres no denying that
drowsy plaza
Not really. It’s a super slow target - pretty easy to farm dmg off unless it’s a good driver. - kinda like most tanks.
small flame
slow but with the ability to pen most targets with good alpha. and very strong "weak" points
midnight hamlet
I do not know if you know that more than 50 percent of the tanks never existed and are only projects, for example many French and German tanks
small flame
thank you for that very relevant and related comment
random anvil
Lol. What an ironic channel. Balance discussion. Just make it work like it should
steep laurel
IS-3 slight frontal hull buff? Seems more butterish than other heavies of the same kind
small flame
its has awesome turret and speed
steep laurel
The turret is great when you actually get a map where hulldown is an option
The remodeling of the tank made the pike less aggressively angled and imo made it less of what it used to be
umbral hound
IS-3 seems pretty solid if you can wiggle a bit. There are a lot of good guns that cut right through you but I don't think that is a problem. reasonably fair that some guns should work on you right?
steep laurel
It's aight that big guns go through you but the high pike nose rly lowers the chances for any frontal bounce, unless you're fighting poor tier 7s
winged barn
Reverse sidescrape.
The turret roof is much harder to pen than it used to be
blazing furnace
E8 should be replaced by E2
winged barn
Wrong
blazing furnace
Are you sure?
blazing furnace
Yea but the E2 was better armoured and more people used it, more effectively than the E8
crystal spoke
The E8 saw use after the war and far more were built, only about 250 E2s were even built
unique scaffold
Buff valentine II
crystal spoke
I dont think they should especially since its hit boxes can be a bit wonky (last few times I fought it which was a few months ago) and its currently a pretty good tank albeit slow but so is the Matilda ii
umbral hound
T9 and T10 seem like they could use a buff to credit earnings.
flat bane
Yes i agree on that, t9 and t10 make very little credits. It's to the point where you're losing 10-20k each game. They should buff them
umbral hound
agreed. I mostly find it frustrating that I can have a solid game in T9 and lose credits or earn next to nothing. I can have an average game in T6 or T7 and earn way more credits way easier.
flat bane
I found out that the more dmg i took in a tank the more credits i lose. I can do 4k dmg in a battle but if i die.... well there goes 17k
Also using adrenaline a lot is going to make sure you lose credits. 7k each time you use it.
shrewd kiln
There are plenty of tanks that could use better credit earning abilities.
Jagdtiger being one of the most awful examples, from my experience.
umbral hound
I haven't played that tank but I am sure it is.
unique scaffold
Fv183 lol, shoot someone? There goes your camo and 10k credits
shrewd kiln
It felt pretty much like you couldn't get any + as soon as you missed one shot, maybe two. The Jag E100 is also bad in those terms but it's still not as awful as the Jagdtiger.
And when I'm already talking about the Jag E100, I'll also mention that it could use a buff in terms of mobility.
unique scaffold
There's no need for that
shrewd kiln
Jag E100 explained in a few simple points;
•Really good armor if used right.
•One of the best guns in the whole game [for my taste at least]
•Pretty damn bad mobility.
Now that may seem balanced, yes. But it is not. There are so many situations in which you cannot make any good use of the armor and the gun, because you need way too much time to get everything in position.
umbral hound
For the most I am just super frustrated by the credit earning in higher tiers. I guess it is designed that way though
unique scaffold
What did you expect?
winged barn
Try the t49. Best credit earner in the game
glad saffron
I actually earn a few thousand credits with the t49
visual nimbus
What are you playing the 90mm?
pale cosmos
Chieftain need to balance :((
spring pelican
t8 chieftain?
pale cosmos
Y
lethal token
Yeah. That chief is lacking. I got it. But don't really enjoy it at all. Something is missing from it.
steep laurel
It's lacking because Blitz did their stupid re-role thing, it's not a heavy and never will be.. play it as a medium and that's it
drowsy plaza
Chieftain/T95 is fine as is. It’s a heavium, just protect Cupola and you are fine.
grave bear
guys i think chaffee needs a nerf, im playing it and is ridicolous... it seems like a tier 7 against tiers 6, i carry every battle ._.
thick rover
I find high tier credit earnings a good gauge of my mastery over a vehicle. If I earn, I'm playing quite decently, if I lose credits then I'm playing bad, without taking into account stuff such as HESH price. So I'm ok with the credit earning at tier 9-10
steep laurel
@grave bear
unique scaffold
@steep laurel noob, stop buying stats
steep laurel
@unique scaffold hon hon oui
grave bear
wtf 4788 wn8 with only 1380 dmg per battle?
steep laurel
@grave bear I bought the stats
cunning compass
Buff WZ Blaze
grave bear
btw i have 6600 wn8 in it
minor grail
Stoch Vk.100.01p need better lauding
violet burrow
That 10,5cm reload, mmmm
minor grail
Reload 15s hmmm and have 310 dmg
violet burrow
That's a good thing
true relic
Yeah and Hand if Stalin
tranquil oak
@grave bear lob a kv 2 shell to face that should stop it
severe valve
are we going to buff the E4, seriously it sucks
tranquil oak
T26e4?
unique scaffold
I think all the tier X TD's should be nerfed to fall in line with the worst performing of the group.
queen hemlock
That's a way to balance too yeah
But I guess that won't fall too good with the community
tranquil oak
Oh hello dogger
severe valve
literally just give it the patton treatment
unique scaffold
TD players have short memories. They'll forget all about it in just a few short minutes.
tranquil oak
What is your opinion on the type 62? @queen hemlock
severe valve
E4 is beyond bad though.
queen hemlock
Must buy tank if it becomes available again @tranquil oak
tranquil oak
Yea too bad i bought a new phone so not money for a while i think lunar new year will bring it to shop @queen hemlock actually blitz unfair could too but its heccin expensive
atomic marten
bAlAnCEd
gray field
bring back fury wg i want it for my collection
unique scaffold
I still have my fingers crossed that they will fix the game model for the Fury and then sell it in a combo with the Tiger 131. 🤞
gray field
agreed ^
unique scaffold
What is Tiger 131
Looks like a Tiger I with cupola
Captured by British...hence the cupola 👀
gray field
🤔 😂
unique scaffold
This should be in #vehicles-discussion . If we are going to continue the discussion lets move it over there.
Add to the game
covert holly
some day we will have new British tier 10?
unique scaffold
I hope FV 217 Badger
covert holly
i like cheftain 2
quick lichen
It’s happened several times
modern rapids
1281
modern rapids
Lol
unique scaffold
What was nickname of this player?
unique scaffold
#WGLogic...
obtuse bay
unique scaffold
Genious you can use mods
quiet kite
The jagdtiger could use change to the engine and transmission the damn thing catches on fire every time it gets shot.
drowsy plaza
Hide the lower plate
quasi hare
Its upper plate isnt much better armored tho
quasi hare
I can pen its front with cdc
quiet kite
@quasi hare the jagdtigers upper plate and super structure are pretty strong. But every time someone gets a shot at the lower plate or rear it wants to become a bonfire on tracks.
quasi hare
@quiet kite that still doesnt change the fact that i can pen its upper plate
quiet kite
Do I care that you can pen its upper plate? No. I'm saying it needs a change to the engine and transmission, it lights on fire and takes engine damage every time the lower plate or rear get hit.
quasi hare
Yea and @drowsy plaza answered you should hide the lower plate and i answered HIM that i can still pen upper plate. I didnt answer you @quiet kite
rustic fossil
Here is a gem of a player I have seen in battle, luckily on red. He was afk. I suspect it is a bot account, since he ran into a rock from spawn and got stuck there. damage indicates that except for a ram here and there, he does nothing. He seems to be slowly creeping up the French Td line, currently at T8.
crystal spoke
Oof painful to see
steep laurel
Jeez...
lunar niche
Jagdtiger's superstructure is strong at 250-255 mm effective. And when you use the -8 gun depression, you have a high chance of bouncing standard rounds.
quiet kite
@lunar niche most guns at tier 9/10 have issues penning its super structure without premium rounds unless they're tds. If you use the 8° of gun depression you can easily bounce premium rounds.
@shut wigeon when using gun depression that 220-230mm of armor can become quite difficult to pen. My issue with it is when people actually push up on it and get a shot into the Lower plate it tends to light up and receive engine damage way easier than any other tank I've ever played.
lunar niche
@quiet kite Gold rounds will go through it, unless they lowroll on pen.
Extinguish fire and get engine damaged. Use repair kit and get engine damage again. Its annoying. Didn't WG fix FV215b who had the same problem?
quiet kite
Yeah
@lunar niche also in my experience the super structure is stronger than people think while using gun depression. Most tanks struggle to pen when you use gun depression and angle.
R3D is typing...
lunar niche
@quiet kite When its top tier, the superstructure can hold just fine but against tier 10, i wouldn't rely on it.
It might bounce some odd shots here and there but not reliable.
quick bison
Ferdinand need a buff dont yall think so🤔
quiet kite
@quick bison idk. I've consistently pulled 4 and 5k games with mine. It actually feels a bit broken compared to other tier 8 tds I've played.
10.01 reload with a 128mm at tier 8 and 2.8 dispersion when fully equipped is pretty broken.
the gun arc is huge and it has 32 deg/sec traverse speed and it easily hits 30 kmh
It's better than the jpanther 2 in my opinion
@quick bison
quick bison
@quiet kiteno joke its good but a bit left behind considered i have 4 mastery on my i do feel it cant quite cut it sometimes
quiet kite
I feel that the last buff they made to it was plenty. Before the buff it kinda sucked but now I think it's insanely good.
quick bison
Not really it was better wheb long ago when reload use to be 9.8
Still tough my most play tank in blitz
slender briar
JP2 is faster, has a better reload and has better superstructure
quiet kite
Jpanther 2 just doesn't feel right for the line. I think it's better to go for the ferd because it sets you up for the jagdtiger better so you're used to the mobility before you get it.
And it really comes down to play style, I suck in the jpanther 2 but I'm pretty nasty in the ferd.
slender briar
quiet kite
And for many people it's the opposite.
@slender briar what gun and what round?
Oh 128mm german td gun with ap. That's 246 pen of course it's going to pen.
slender briar
Listed at the bottom of the screenshot.
Bounces on a hulldown JP2 at 3°. Doesn't bounce on a Ferd
quiet kite
Just take the ferd out for a spin some time and you'll understand, The armor is alot more troll than you think.
slender briar
It was a decent profile on the Tiger P. Not as great a tier up
quiet kite
Most people have the common sense not to rely on it 100% of the time. My way of playing it was to sit back and snipe for a bit and when there were less big guns still alive to push and murder people with dpm. Still pretty reliable against low pen guns like you find on tier 8 meds and some heavy tanks like the vk a and t32.
Don't test your luck against other tds unless you know you can out dpm them. I try to take them out while I'm still unspotted.
austere saffron
Tiger P has an armor of a monster lol unless a player is smart and shoots its copula
quiet kite
this is the kolobanovs in mine. watch how I play it. other tanks with armor like this at tier 8 only wish they could move as quickly or traverse as quickly as the ferd.
slender briar
JP2 has a better gun though? If you're going to snipe, why not take the JP2?
somber mauve
JP2 has better gun, smaller superstructure, and way better speed
slender briar
You night bounce tier 7s, but if you can shoot, any tier 8/9 will pen you
quiet kite
@slender briar it's the same gun on both tanks. The only thing better about it on the jp2 is the reload.
quick bison
@slender briarjust hiw often u get hull down in jp2 tell ke
quiet kite
The jp2 doesn't have nearly as much gun arc either.
quick bison
Its not for no reason why i 1500 game in the ferd
And who remember when ferd use to have 1400hp it could go head to head with heavy and win
slender briar
Pretty much always? Reload and aimtime.
Going hulldown 3° isn't much of a stretch at all.
somber mauve
quick bison
In the field its different as a master of both tank i can say the ferd not only can play a sniper roll but a heavy tank roll too
slender briar
JP2 can play a sniper role and a med role
somber mauve
hmmm "as a master of both tank"
then I really need to be taught how to use the Ferdinand then...
quiet kite
@somber mauve oh lol i didn't realize it was you maddox until I tagged you. But yeah the ferd is a monster when played correctly. We use it for tournaments regularly in my clan because alot of us know how to use it and it can play as a front line tank as well as a sniper. Jpanther just doesn't hold up against heavy tanks as well as the ferd in my experience.
@zealous prism wrong channel.
slender briar
<@&481447501690568709>
somber mauve
the Jpanther 2 imo is not for holding but eh
<@&481447501690568709> ?
quiet kite
Ah there we go
quick bison
Only a smart player can know the ferd true potential
somber mauve
Yes I am dumb den
quick bison
Its only weakness is when there not enough target to destroy
somber mauve
but I seem to destroy anyone who uses a ferdinand against me no matter what tank I use 🤔
slender briar
The poor turning speed?
quiet kite
@slender briar uh it's not slow to traverse. It's actually quite quick.
quick bison
Welll there a lot of bad ferd drivers out there true
somber mauve
@quick bison pls show me how it's done :>
austere saffron
Well there is a reason why the Ferd was one of the worst tanks in ww2
quick bison
I dont like wheb people say its bad when i am op at it in battle
slender briar
26°/s isn’t fast...
somber mauve
Like I said, you need to show us how you play it if you really want to proof that Ferdi is better than Jpanther 2
quick bison
How do i do that. Perhaps i can pull upba replay wheb i get homw
slender briar
The VKP turns at 25°/sec
quick bison
Listen its take time and love for the tank to actually appreciate it. After all not all of us have the same play style. So its matter of doing the best with what u have
slender briar
Liking a tank does not mean it’s better.
quick bison
I wont lick it if i am suck at it
For example people use to tell me the vk 45 o2a was suck that free xp it to get tier 9.but when i got it i was like tf.its amazing. Still now it has my highest tier 8 heavy wr
quiet kite
@slender briar then that means neither td is better than the other. They both fit specific play styles and excel at what they do.
quick bison
Jp2 dont excel at anything
slender briar
medium mobility
basically impenetrable superstructure
better gun
unique scaffold
@somber mauve what
somber mauve
oh, Raik took care of him
quiet kite
It's the same gun, Stop saying it's a better gun. The only difference is reload and a very miniscule amount of aim time.
quick bison
Facts
somber mauve
"better gun handling" but "worse gun arc and reload time"
slender briar
Only watched the oasis palms game so far.
JP2 would have done better because you would have gotten 2 extra shots in that you missed because the Ferd was still loading. You would have also bounced the CDCs second shot
Lol “stop saying it’s better because it is”
quiet kite
I'm not saying it's better because it is. Just take the time to play it correctly and maybe then you'll understand.
somber mauve
but gawd watching those replays make me think NA is a lot easier to play on 🤔
quick bison
This entire discussion is pointless. You cant never compare 2 german tanks
slender briar
No response that the JP2 would have done better in your game?
Can’t never = can
somber mauve
I like how you say this now, not 10 minutes ago 🤔
quick bison
Its like comparing maus and a is7
bold dagger
nvr mind, i c you told TJ that raik took care of it
somber mauve
@bold dagger there was this kid spamming pewdiepie stuff so I tagged moderator. raik got rid of him so it's all k
bold dagger
👍
quick bison
Btw who is in charge of this server
somber mauve
Wargaming staffs
quiet kite
@somber mauve I've been saying the 2 tanks fit different play styles but he doesn't get the point and keeps spouting that "oh the jpanther would have done better" I mean seriously dude? They're completely different tanks that fill different needs.
quick bison
How to become moderator
somber mauve
@quiet kite They are in a way similar tho
though people just compare them more than they need
and I personally prefer Jpan 2 because of that mobility
quiet kite
The guns are the same, they're german, they have the super structure on the rear vs the front. That's about it.
quick bison
And they have rng on their side
quiet kite
Not really they just have the typical german gun handling
somber mauve
I just seem to destroy most of the ferdinands I met when I am in whatever tank, but sometimes I find Jpan2 more annoying and more dangerous to face against, compared to Ferdinand
slender briar
Dead rail from what I can tell would have had only 1 shot more from how it was played, and you would have been in position about 25 seconds faster
stray rock
Hmm
slender briar
You’re saying it’s great for x role, and provided examples, and I’m telling you it wasn’t as good as the JP2 can do. It’s fine to like one more, but it’s not better. Only thing that beats the JP2 is armor, and that’s negligible against T8.
tepid cipher
SU-101 is superior.
quiet kite
@slender briar there are shots in the ferd I wouldn't get off with the jpanther due to the gun arc (its ability to turn the gun left and right a certain distance)
quick bison
@somber mauvefunny i can say the samw thing when i met jp2. 2 shots them most of the time
slender briar
Not that I noticed?
quiet kite
The replays of it are probably lost because I've been grinding the jagdtiger and using the is2sh alot and the replays aren't favorited but there have been many matches where having 5° more gun arc has helped alot.
somber mauve
imo if the gameplay is more dynamic Ferdinand would have trouble following up imo
slender briar
W/e.
You can like it.
I’ll take my 10% DPM and 33% better mobility
quick bison
Talking about the ferd here is other another beast the jadtiger. I loved it from my first game in it
quiet kite
And I'll take my 5° of more gun arc and thicker armor and the preparation for the jagdtiger.
somber mauve
Here is my 1 game in the Jpan 2 that I just played
https://discordapp.com/channels/481445776178806785/502018779421868033/519016594832228352
not the best game definitely but I think it's pretty good
quiet kite
🤔
quick bison
One thing never snipe in thw ferd. Sure it can but it scare the shit out of heavy
You cant afford to take 2 shots from this tank
quiet kite
@somber mauve the differences between the two that I saw is you played more like a medium where I would have opted to tank a few shots while pushing down the center street where you chose to flank around and kill the amx because you had the mobility and not as much armor as a ferd would have. Both start out the match the same (sniping) but mid and end game they fill completely different roles.
somber mauve
yeah that's the difference in gameplay due to the huge difference in specs of the tank itself. I don't mind people comparing the two but Jpan2 will be my preference
quick bison
Dam i feel special for starting this up
quiet kite
You can compare them a little bit but they're very different. Both are great at what they do but don't talk down one just because it's slightly worse than the other in terms of dpm (1 second difference) and moves slower yet has armor that actually works better than the other for its purposes.
iron lynx
AMX 50 100 can get 3 shots through the front of Ferdinand with standard AP
quiet kite
And the Ferdinand or jpanther will eat the amx alive if it decides to try and unload that clip.
iron lynx
Yeah, in close range where the AMX can't hide after unloading its clip
AMX excels in very specific situations, but Ferdinand is quite good as long as nobody flanks it
bold dagger
@quick bison we're not really taking any more mods at the current time
late tiger
Anyone please talk with me I am sooooo lonely ...😪
pearl ingot
hi
sand light
Hello
severe valve
Avatars are nice but I want to hear more about the balance changes in 4.6, if any
steep laurel
^
light tulip
@severe valve https://blitzhangar.com/en/update/5-6-preview
winged cobalt
i suposse many players have asked for it before, but will u please nerf VK 100.01 P i think it is too OP too much armored and too good dmg
drowsy plaza
Lowest in tier heavy health, poor DPM and worst mobility. If you think it’s OP, it’s a you issue.
flat zephyr
Buff hafen
unique scaffold
Bingo. Leave it alone and then kill it last.
lunar niche
Too much armour on a superheavy? Lmao. Thats like saying too much mobility on a light/medium tank lol.
flat zephyr
Buff hafen noobs. The worst armor
brazen frost
I think people just don’t know how to fight the new tanks as well as the old ones that have been around for forever, so it seems more difficult to take down the new ones. After a while, people will know the weak points and have less difficulty
visual nimbus
Agreed
dim field
If vk isn't hull down, go for the lower plate if you can't circle it. If it is hull down, then circling is usually easier (kinda hard to be mobile and hull down). If you can't pen it or deal with it easily, do what the other said and just avoid it.
jovial kernel
If you can't circle it then why are you even shooting it
dim field
Usally cause i can pen it.
jovial kernel
idk I don't play much tier 8 outside of IS-6 for credit grinding
dim field
If i can't pen nor circle, i gtfo.
If i can pen or circle to pen, i do that. Usually I'd just leave it alone and murder the other enemies but lately when i go against it 3 of my teammates will try to fight it even when they aren't penning it. So if I take it out they'll fight something they can pen
jovial kernel
I just go do what the IS-6 was meant to do and go shred some mediums
dim field
I'm usually Isu-152 when tier 8
jovial kernel
Ah explains a lot you can pen the whole turret lol
dim field
Yup, such a great feeling
jovial kernel
On PC that gun got removed from the ISU-152 rip
dim field
Brutal
jovial kernel
Hey WG can you overbuff the IS-6 to be as good as the Lowe
normal verge
@flat zephyr the hafen has a certain armor profile. It has to be played differently. Reverse side scraping and over angleing helps
And is6 isn't best probably the is5
Just over all better gun, mobility, and slightly stronger armor
jovial kernel
I have a very severe distrust of APCR ammunition
flat zephyr
@normal verge so you have played with it?
One simple question then, does 120mm side armor feel like that in tier7?
Even sp1c has more bouncy side armor than this tank
Hafen is the most useless medium tank I have played with at tier 7. Any other medium and even light tanks are better that that
jovial kernel
kinda like the IS-3 in that respect
flat zephyr
@quick lichen but completely useless. Shot the tracks at 0 angle and it would pen
quick lichen
Well no
You need like a 155 or higher to overmatch the lower side hull
And those don’t exist for tier 7s
flat zephyr
I got penned f.ing many times completely facing them and getting tracked at the same time. Guess what, they shot the track directly and it penned😐 ty WG
quick lichen
You’re doing something wrong
It’s a medium
What are you expecting?
Maus side skirts?
Please
jovial kernel
If you want to never be tracked and penned drive a VK 100.01 (P) thanks
flat zephyr
That at least 120mm of side armor could bounce a stock cromwell when I'm side scraping
jovial kernel
only if sidescraping means facing side on at a flat angle lmao
ivory fractal
takes notes
quick lichen
flat zephyr
@quick lichen look the angle and armor there
quick lichen
This is still over angled but much better
jovial kernel
what about it? the tracks are 20mm and the armor behind is 70mm
flat zephyr
There's what I'm talking about
quick lichen
So unless you’re getting shot by an isu, you’re fine
That’s not showing the effective angle
That’s showing raw thiccness
flat zephyr
Look where I have shown if it is clear. 59 mm at 54°
quick lichen
No
You haven’t shown anything
That’s not a hit skin
It’s the physical thickness of the plates
God help me
jovial kernel
Wait I think that's above the tracks on the bottom of the hull
flat zephyr
@quick lichen yes it is test it
jovial kernel
There's a bit where 106mm and larger guns can overmatch on the bottom of the hull above the tracks I think
flat zephyr
@quick lichen wait i send a other pic
flat zephyr
jovial kernel
106mm and larger can pen that 35mm plate
flat zephyr
There is 35mm of armor there. At any angle it would pen
jovial kernel
Well there are guns that can overmatch it, gonna need in game testing
flat zephyr
So wtf is this telling about armor
quick lichen
There’s absolutely no way that this even if true gets exploited this much
normal verge
Not on my account but on a friend's
quick lichen
If players don’t know how to shoot the vk 72 triangle, they are definitely not shooting the Hafen
jovial kernel
yeah that's a hard shot to hit, maybe we can get some testing
flat zephyr
@quick lichen they actually do know where to shoot at in EU
quick lichen
That’s like saying a tank is bad from the front because you can pen the turret ring
jovial kernel
E 100 drivers be like
flat zephyr
This tank is easy pen from side
quick lichen
I guess sell it because you don’t know how to play it then
flat zephyr
This is hafen directly facing enemy. The yellow zone has slight angle and again it gets hit
jovial kernel
Well I highly doubt an inaccurate 107, 122, 130 or 152mm gun is gonna hit that
flat zephyr
@quick lichen I havent sold any tank since 3 years ago and I know how to play it. But this is bs. Even t23e3 has better side armor than this
quick lichen
Who plays a medium in a way where this is a legitimate problem?
jovial kernel
I've said it before, a medium's armor does nothing but keep the HE out and bully bottom tiers
flat zephyr
@jovial kernel that's true about lights mostly not mediums. Some mediums are all about armor and nothing more
jovial kernel
Not really, even the mediums that are considered heavily armored get penned by most tanks in their tiers, save the Mod 1
flat zephyr
This thing was said to have an acceptable armor. Even t23 has acceptable armor for me but this one doesn't
@jovial kernel super pershing is tough to get penned frontally too. Even e50m has a decent armor
jovial kernel
SP can be HEed in the side by 122mm guns and E 50/E 50M don't have enough armor for it to be relied on
flat zephyr
It has enough armor to rely on
jovial kernel
They have the armor to not be penned by bottom tiers, but anyone can punch through an E 50 turret or tag the lower plate of both of those tanks
flat zephyr
It has better armor than some heavies like 50B
@jovial kernel E50M's turret is quite tough too for a medium. For penetrating it you need premium ammo. And although bottom plate is not a big deal to pen, mediums struggle with it at close combats
jovial kernel
and the SP has cupolas that are easy hits at close range and the side and rear armor might as well be 0mm
flat zephyr
sp has 10mm at everywhere and is a light tank so as most lights can get HEed easily, this one is the same
jovial kernel
SP as in SuperPershing
flat zephyr
Oh I mistook that with sp1c.
I mostly call it t26. But again it has reliable front armor and when going hull down its hard to hit
BTW HEing American tanks is hard at least for me cause they have their tracks at almost all of their side
jovial kernel
I mean at the same time AP gets a guaranteed pen, and the rear is always an easy tag with no spaced armor
flat zephyr
But Hafen is really a disappointing tank. No gun no armor no special thing an annoying gun depression not even high dpm or high penetration. One of my most useless premiums that I ever bought
jovial kernel
well the tank is balanced which is good for a premium
flat zephyr
I don't think it is balanced
In blitz there are lots of tanks that I prefer to get rebalanced such as hafen, kv5 ,kv4 and some that I don't remember
jovial kernel
buff my favorite tier 8 medium thanks
flat zephyr
Is6 had glorious days. I can completely remember it's days ruling tier8
jovial kernel
can we un buff the IS-3 turret roof thanks
quartz steeple
Ikr cauz is 6 has such bad turret roof
jovial kernel
I'm fine with the IS-6 roof, but the IS-3 got the roof buffed away, the hit skin was never fixed so it shows as grey so you shoot but it's not a weak spot so you bounce
quartz steeple
The area above the gun
jovial kernel
yeah, it got buffed but it shouldn't have
keen nexus
without a replay of it being penned that we can see just to show if its failed sidescrape, luck or skill there isnt much to say. All tanks have weak spots and the armor numbers usually are not just it is this thick all over. but looking at the pics Iraik posted seeing how small said 35mm plate is and where it is I doubt it lol
unique scaffold
@shut wigeon was that really necessary?
jovial kernel
I think somewhat realistic fantasy tanks like the O-47 are fine as they are plausible, and the Dankenstein is just too bloody good to not want in the game
jovial kernel
Well I'm not debating the IS-3 not needing that buff but I don't understand the hate for fake tanks in an arcade game
lone obsidian
hows the wining going today.55% wr so far
jovial kernel
idk my IS-6 30 day winrate is on 62% though so that's nice
unique scaffold
Lowe, loraine 40t, STI, Vk45.02b, vk72.01k and so on
lone obsidian
is 3 defender u have issues works for me
viscid kettle
Makes up for its slowest dpm in the tier 8 heavies
stray hornet
Why I love my Is3 Defender
viscid kettle
@shut wigeon Yeah if you take out the rammer, but since IS3D cannot get that, IS3 effectively has higher DPM
sounds like we are talking about two tanks balanced on their traits
its impossible to do many things that WG has had to do to balance tanks out because otherwise a few tanks would be king and others would be trash
I personnally think the traits of the IS3D make for a more effective tank than the IS3 but others will disagree
It means this is a game and not reality
IMO i think that the design of the tank hull and turrets play into a lot of what makes the russian tanks more desirable to many.
IRL, no it doesn't or maybe not
visual nimbus
Russian tanks aren’t everything
viscid kettle
still fun to play either way
Its fun to play against too... not sure why you are making an issue out of nothing here
visual nimbus
The defender isn’t all that great tbh
viscid kettle
hmm.. @shut wigeon have you played the IS3D?
keen nexus
So why do I have no issues beating this OP tank? Oh wait it's because I know how to aim and deal with autoloaders. Gun depression isn't everything. And it's still a Russian derpy 122
While I can agree that turret design dosent allow for it look at the Matilda 4 lol stick a bigger gun in and give it more gun depression lol
If it's killable it's got weakness somewhere. Also even the defender is being outperformed now at least in the 55%-65% sections of the playerbase
1 by a td and some other heavies it looks like based on the recently posted charts
im at 60% myself Adapt and learn to kill it or continue whining. Personally Iv learned ways to deal with them so its not a problem. Annoying? yeah but I dont see them and be like oh no I cant beat it this game is pay to win trash with OP tanks.
not like you cant out maneuver them aside from the drac who has no armor and gets rofl penned. Just cant track and pin the bugger But its a fat light tank
All tanks have a weakness learn to exploit it and they dont feel that OP when facing them tbh even if they are not balanced well with the rest of the game
drowsy plaza
WG doesn’t post performance data for tier 7 and below.
keen nexus
so your information comes from a 3rd party source? huh
jovial kernel
IS-3D is fine other than the gun depression lets be honest
Because premiums and rare tanks like those 3 are more commonly driven by better players
Because it's not a particularly good tank, and also it still outperforms the tech tree counterpart, the Panther II which has the worst average 30 day winrate in the game
keen nexus
if we are using 3rd party then top5 T7 med win rates by 90 day are
drac 60.95
edelweiss 58.46
rudy 57.39
hafen 55.85%
T-34-1 55.75%
jovial kernel
So would you look at that?
A known op tank
3 premiums
a good tech tree tank
keen nexus
its hardly out performing the edelweiss and no one complains thats OP. then again it only has 300 players. your complaining its OP but what about the rest of them? since they are out performing the others by quite a bit most tanks are about 51% for t7 meds anyway lol granted I see it differently I see something that needs to die ill find a way to counter it not cry about it.
jovial kernel
Personally I don't consider a tank OP until I see a sub 45% player get over 55% in it
So far the only tanks that have broken that barrier are the Helsing and WZ-120-1 FT
keen nexus
while I can agree the drac shouldnt have its bs tracks the rest of it seems fine maybe a slight speed nerf because of the stupid things it can get away with where others cant
drowsy plaza
Dracula’s major issue is the tracks.
jovial kernel
Imagine how broken the LTTB would be with those tracks
drowsy plaza
Nubs can yolo and escape way too often. Imagine how a Leo 1 or any other high tier med would be if it had those tracks.
jovial kernel
Nah a Leopard 1 would get deleted by a 183 lol
drowsy plaza
Not nearly as quick if it was moving like a lunatic, as opposed to tracked in the open.
jovial kernel
Just uh give those tracks to the T-54 ltwt with the BL-10 for a truly balanced tank 👌
drowsy plaza
The tracks allow the Drac to reliably bob and weave more effectively than anything else. Yes the ‘spaced’ armor body on it —- 🤪
jovial kernel
Yeah thanks to the skirts you can't even HE the thing making the armor as good as any normal medium (as in the armor only protects against HE)
keen nexus
why are you putting HE into the side hull and not the turret? most tanks will eat side hull HE because tracks and rng lol thats not exclusive
jovial kernel
The turret is also hard to HE because it also has spaced armor, and you're more likely to miss, and if you hit the gun well have your 0 damage
drowsy plaza
Even the turret absorbs a lot more HE than it should. It’s way better at it than the CDC. Lol all three of us basically said the same thing.
keen nexus
jovial kernel
I'm not going to risk it, I'm just gonna shoot AP at them
keen nexus
tiny strip at the top of it yeah it does cant disagree with that but haven't had issues with HE thats aimed. A snapshot yeah but that goes into the hull more then up top. Also helps that most of them do brainlessly yolo to fight things makes em pretty predictable
jovial kernel
wdym I saw a 43%er with 56% in the WZ-120-1 FT
Again, if it takes skill to use I don't consider it to be overpowered, mainly by virtue that good players make any tank good. The Dracula has the mobility and lack of armor to get you in a lot of trouble very easily, as well as the second worst dpm of all tier 7 mediums.
keen nexus
If we want to just use numbers its a cdc thats smaller and faster 1 tier down. Which if done well can work but the way WG did it cant say its well balanced but I wont flat out say its broken either because it is counter able.
now put something in like the Chrysler where its spam the premium or nothing welllll
jovial kernel
Well that has 198 pen I don't spam much prem with 184 on the IS-6
keen nexus
I hope its different in bllitz but till more in released or leaked wont know. Im just hoping we dont get anything like the PC version lol
jovial kernel
remember it only needs to spam prammo because on PC it fights tier 10
keen nexus
tbh im waiting to see how the balance the new prem tanks and give them to us guess this is a start because its one of the first considered broken If I recall, Partly its because the AP round is meh but the premium round was really good havent watched videos on it in forever and quit keeping up with pc much
then again the t8 scorp is considered a better borsig and haven't seen broken complains about it yet just same old crates complaints lol
jovial kernel
It has terrible camo and not the best dpm so people stopped caring
keen nexus
I just like throwing HE at them lol
jovial kernel
yeet
lone pecan
They should have a ‘hidden mode’ where there is no reticule, minimap, or damage marker.
drowsy plaza
You can do that to yourself if you really want.
violet burrow
"Hard mode"
plucky acorn
That game mode would be more dead than rating battles on off seasons
drowsy plaza
First IS-6 game in two years. Still a fantastic tank. I had to go club a few Vk 100.01’s.