Pls buff the FV-215B 183, it's so bad !
Blitz community: *TRIGGEREDš”
#tank-balance-discussion
coarse harness
gentle gorge
@indigo knot good idea!
modern fern
Pls buff kv2, it doesnāt have enough alpha
limpid elm
@modern fern Why? It can one-shot anyone on the battlefield.
modern fern
woooooooooosh
void patrol
@modern fern Why buff alpha when you can ask for 3-shot autoloader with .5s between shots, and 20s clip reload?
modern fern
Well, wg would never do anything like that
*chokes
void patrol
Not yet
limpid elm
Maybe. š
modern fern
@modern fern well idk, sounds awfully like is-3 def...
jovial kernel
ah yes the tank that would have been balanced if it weren't for one stat
void patrol
Tier 10 KV-2, 2000hp, 4-shot 152mm auto-loader, 4s in between, 100mm pen on AP, 20s clip reload. Sounds perfectly balanced
modern fern
Made by Elon musk
jovial kernel
seriously why tf does the IS-3D have 7 degrees gun depression wat
void patrol
Cos Stalinium
modern fern
Well at least is3 defender is environmentally friendly
dusk plover
@undone briar diye nick mi olur .d
jovial kernel
IS-3D would be balanced if it had 5 degrees gun depression imo but it has 7 so it's not balanced
sonic token
It is decent already
blazing prairie
a-32 need better penetration on HEAT shells
quasi flame
i guess it struggles to pen heavy targets (a la KV-1) - the idea is to use mobility, but bad pen is the way of the derp gun...
on the subject of KV-1, that thing needs a nerf. Sure no accuracy on top gun, but it fires a little too fast for my liking with too much armour...
blazing prairie
75mm on HEAT. I hope it's one of the worst penetration on this tiers (without pz b2 and valentine II becouse this tank's fights only on IV tiers.
quasi flame
is that A-32 or KV-1 prammo @blazing prairie?
blazing prairie
wtf is prammo?
quasi flame
PRemium AMMO
blazing prairie
valentine II plays only on IV tiers and it have 84mm of penetration on premium ammo where a-32 fights with V tiers and it have 75mm.
quasi flame
aha, i see. I have an A-32, and I guess that i could see the premium ammo being buffed (KV-1, Matilda etc)
blazing prairie
every tank in tree have bigger penetration on premium ammo
quasi flame
or maybe give A-32 premium matchmaking?
obtuse atlas
A-32 is good as it is
quasi flame
you reckon?
void patrol
@quasi flame Why are you using the KV-1 to judge the effectiveness of the gun on the A-32? A-32 is tier IV and KV-1 is Tier V. That is not a good benchmark to judge the performance of the A-32 gun.
quasi flame
kk, how about the Matilda to compare to? (its just that i think Kv-1 need to be nerfed, that's all)
shrewd kiln
The KV-1 could use a nerf, that's true.
unique scaffold
KV-1 is fine. A-32 is very team dependant.
shrewd kiln
Weak armor plus long reload always ends like that.
quasi flame
is a-32 armour that bad? can bounce some shells...
void patrol
Anyone here uses the A-32 for ramming? Its fun
shrewd kiln
I could too, back when I owned it. Letting the front stick out at a high angle while covering the side with a rock or building worked quiete fine.
@void patrol Jepp, I did partially.
blazing prairie
a-32 have problems to penetrate leopard...
every medium on IV tier have better penetration
unique scaffold
Spam Heat and HE. Track reds in the open. Aim for week spots. There are ways to make the A-32 work.
blazing prairie
HE are useless. only 20mm on HE where bt7A have better HE
unique scaffold
Not useless. Aim for tracks.
blazing prairie
it's not working
unique scaffold
Aim better. Track red tanks in the open. Like I said, it's very team dependant.
blazing prairie
it's not working. This tank is useless
queen hemlock
It's not useless. It's just meh
quasi flame
why aim for tracks? no damage and track tank?
narrow terrace
ok but every has to see that!!
queen hemlock
@quasi flame because you immobilized them and help your teammates shoot them
quasi flame
yeah I guess...but it's still tier 4 and the chances are that your team won't be able to take advantage of that @queen hemlock (like your vids btw)
queen hemlock
If you don't try to track them, you are guaranteed they won't be able to take advantage of it š
Thanks for the kind words about the videos. Any favourite in particular?
blazing prairie
it's not working on EU server at all
quasi flame
Fair enough - I think tank reviews are particularly useful to guys like me @queen hemlock
queen hemlock
What's not working? @blazing prairie
unique scaffold
Like I said, it's a team dependant tank š¤·
blazing prairie
this tank is shit
unique scaffold
It is what you make of it. If you are trying to front line brawl with it you are going to fail. You need to play it to it's strengths. Use speed and mobility to flank and distract the reds. Use HE to track reds in exposed positions. Always have a plan of escape. Fall back and reposition when necessary. The A-32 teaches you things you need to know to be effective in meds and lights later.
Or go play something that requires no thought... Like a Soviet heavy line.
queen hemlock
^^ that.
It's classified as a medium but plays more like a light tank
blazing prairie
NA server is full of people like you? Fck EU i go NA to play normal wot with team
unique scaffold
@blazing prairie. Nope. NA is full of Windex addicts just like every other server.
obtuse atlas
no it has ok side amor
unique scaffold
Who even cares about it... srsly
I didn't say it was good. I said it teaches you how to play higher tier lights and meds.
blazing prairie
yeah becouse i'm noob and i don't know how to play on meds...
unique scaffold
I don't recall saying that but anything is possible.
shrewd kiln
I also hate on the AMX 50 120, but that's not really serious, I know it's a good tank in the right hands. For me it's just cancer though, things happen to me... Which didn't happened to me in my over 13K battles.
I know the problem with the tiers. Had the same with the Ke-Ni and A-20. Ke-Ni: A week almost only Tier IV battles.
nocturne nova
unique scaffold
@blazing prairie what a horrible tank š¤£
blazing prairie
playing with 3 tiers
unique scaffold
Yeah that is how mm works some times.
blazing prairie
unique scaffold
Good job. See it can work!
blazing prairie
look at your and my credits. It works only aganist III tiers and sometimes IV
unique scaffold
It'll work against fives as well. It has to be played as a support tank and is team dependent. My credits were lost because I spam HEAT and bring 0 AP rounds.
unique scaffold
@blazing prairie well your englesh is a "more stiupid think"
Don't have any of those. I hardly play the tank.
Its a tier 4, who even cares honestly...
Dont like it, dont play it
shrewd kiln
I like it a hundred times better than the AMX 40 though. xD
blazing prairie
@unique scaffold i see only one stiupid player here.
shrewd kiln
Feeling like.
blazing prairie
i'm not english that's all bot
unique scaffold
Just played two at five. Damage was mediocre but I played the tank as a light. Spotted reds and tracked tanks in the open. Both games were wins. Like I've said repeatedly, it is a team support tank. Especially when bottom tier.
It cannot brawl and should never fight fair. If in doubt run away and attack from another angle or try to lure their tanks into yours.
crimson cosmos
Iāll admit it is more a pet peeve than anything else, but have they said anything about the VK Leopard and update 5.5 rebalancing? Because while the Mk.103 may not be the perfect weapon vs Tier VI it is extremely powerful when used on Tier IV and V targets. The combination of penetration, RoF and mobility is going to be one heck of shock to newbs in their Tier IVs or even if the new MM keeps it away till they actually reach Tier V.
unique scaffold
@crimson cosmos isnāt the MK103 removed in 5.5?
wild lion
Nobility....š
steel vault
Sorry mobility
unique scaffold
@steel vault low HP, no side armor, poor gun depression and arc, can be penned at the Front just Next to the gun
Itās balanced
crimson cosmos
@unique scaffold_974[BLABA] if they said they were removing the gun I hadnāt seen that mentioned.
unique scaffold
@crimson cosmos Idk they said that low tiers autoloaders were too effective so they will be removed
steel vault
@unique scaffoldhmmm I did not notice..and I want to go face it
unique scaffold
@steel vault if it move a bit its gun you can just fire into the superstructure and avoid armor
autumn dune
KV 2 were buffed...
That would be cool
steel vault
Hmmm well I think you r an experienced player... I did just nearly 6000 battle and got the is4only15 days ago
crimson cosmos
But the Leopard wasnāt one of the low Tier auto cannon changes mentioned was it?
unique scaffold
@steel vault Iām maybe experienced but not very good
I have the 263 and I got Shot too much by high calibers at this spot
vestal depot
steel vault
@unique scaffoldhmmm is4 a good tank?
vestal depot
unique scaffold
@steel vault very good yes turret and hull are strong gun do the job manÅuverability is ok
Like an IS-6 but stronger and Tier 10
steel vault
@unique scaffold is maus better than is4
Maus has top hp and too heavy armore and I always feel nervous to face it (ap shell
coarse harness
IS-4 is better overall
unique scaffold
@steel vault they have very different gameplay/ playstyle
Maus is a frontline tank but with Not very good gun, it also has several weakpoints. It needs skills to angle and bounce shots while his team must support it
IS-4 has better gun, better manÅuverability but less armor. Armor is sloped so angling means death (easy pen at bad angle). It can more play solo and can have its top hit by tall tanks
Both are used in tournaments, I donāt really know wich is more powerful, take wich one fits your playstyle
steel vault
@coarse harnesshmm thx for your opinion ...actuelly I think is4 needs 100 more hp (e100)already has ...and in pc is has2500 hp
coarse harness
On PC every T10 has more HP
@unique scaffold the top of the IS-4 were buffed
steel vault
@unique scaffold is is 4 is good for angling or not?I think without angling it got pen easily ...is 4turret has weak point and can penitrable
unique scaffold
In PC you have to worry about arty and TD's have higher alpha.
Anyone arguing for a heavy buff in blitz needs to have their head examined.
steel vault
@unique scaffoldommm in mobile my is 4 s Turret is pen Ed severel times by obj268and fv215b183..I think it needs a little improvement
solid pike
IS3 is freaking unbalanced
unique scaffold
@steel vault š¤£ okay. Whatever you say.
steel vault
@unique scaffoldomm thx for your advise
Actuelly I'm a new player and I started to play wotb 7 month ago
unique scaffold
The tier X meta is already unbalanced towards heavies and tds. To say the IS-4 needs a buff is as ridiculous as saying the 183 needs more alpha.
@undone briar nah, it's fine. Slow reload and turret turns like it's stuck in syrup. Jinx the shot and then get in close and tear it apart. Kv-1's are only a problem if you are dumb enough to try and brawl one.
quick lichen
KV-1 is great where it is
steel vault
@unique scaffoldsorry sorry šššš I understand
quick lichen
Two useful guns to fit different playstyles
Itās quite slow and prone to fires if hit in the side
unique scaffold
And it's slow, has horrid traverse and is a easy kill to anyone who has a clue
steel vault
I already told you I'm new so plZ don't mind
quick lichen
Thereās plenty of other tanks that break the game over the kv-1
steel vault
And good night everyone here night and I'm going to sleep
unique scaffold
@steel vault no problem. You find this place and there are plentyof resources to improve what you know so you are on the right track.
remote valley
The reason is because a lot of the newbies lack knowledge on how to take on such a tank
unique scaffold
Because it's easy mode against the new kids. Any player with a ounce of experience can take a KV a part.
Besides the 85mm is meh anyway. Players who know what they are doing run the 57mm.
remote valley
i rather choose the 85mm gun given the slow mobility i see the 57mm as quite ineffective compared to the 85mm
unique scaffold
57mm + APCR = perma track and cut down anything that crosses your path.
Plus nobody expects a KV-1 to have a sub 3 second reload.
quick lichen
@unique scaffold notice how he @s you every time he directs a comment your way? Seem familiar? (Iām gonna test something)
Sp1c is balanced. Drac needs a buff
I can see smoke
unique scaffold
@undone briar the game is balanced around 55-65% win-rate players. The KV-1 is fine. Moving on.
remote valley
^^^
unique scaffold
I don't need proof. I'm right.
fierce kernel
that fact stuart with 56 pen can't do anything to kv1 doesn't make him OP
unique scaffold
You shouldn't be trying to fight a KV-1 in Stuart. You should be playing your role and leading him towards guns that can kill him.
quick lichen
All but three tanks are within 56-54% in its class
Thereās your proof
@undone briar
unique scaffold
@undone briar please mean it. Please be done.
remote valley
@undone briar why r u even trying to argue with us here ._. can u take tht to wg
quick lichen
@remote valley heās been banned on alt accounts three times so far. Donāt be surprised
limpid elm
@remote valley Technically, this chat is seen by WG.
quick lichen
Then why have the discord?š
unique scaffold
@undone briar I though you were done?
quick lichen
Why have discussion chats?š
remote valley
point made @quick lichen
quick lichen
If wg doesnāt listen to the players then why are you here wasting your time @undone briar ?
š„
limpid elm
Get rekt
unique scaffold
Stop pinging him. He said he was done.šš„
quick lichen
I know wg values our opinions
They value mine and itās why the made me a mod
Proof^^^
unique scaffold
@quick lichen then where are my machine guns š¤£
quick lichen
They care about your opinion. They choose to do nothing with it in your case @unique scaffold
@undone briar every tank is within 3% with only 3 outliers
unique scaffold
Fair enough ā¹ļø
remote valley
@quick lichen i asked wg for some vodka while i was yoloing around seems they haven sent me the package ;-;
quick lichen
āTier 5 is broken because of the kv-1ā
ignores tier 8
@undone briar stop @ Ing me
Tier 5 is plenty balanced
Move on
unique scaffold
Why does the T34 Independence have more WR than T34, itās the same tank š¤
remote valley
getting popcorn this is gonna be interesting
quick lichen
@unique scaffold smaller sample size
More room for variance
Itās a good thing youāre not in charge of that
unique scaffold
Tier V is fine.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/693b7f65de831d526c2fc81b9b18d874/tenor.gif?itemid=5509326
limpid elm
Gosh! The debate is still not done?
remote valley
@limpid elm want some popcorn?
quick lichen
@limpid elm welcome to our world
unique scaffold
tIeR 1 iS bRoKeN wG pLz FiX
limpid elm
@remote valley I'D LOVE TO HAVE SOME. Gimme!
quick lichen
@undone briar he told you to stop pinging him. Respect that
Or Iāll make sure you canāt ping him
remote valley
shares popcorn with @limpid elm
violet sonnet
Debate should be happening on bringing up tech tree tanks at tier7 and tier8 up to par with premium tanks present
jade cargoBOT
Saksocu#5243 was muted
quick lichen
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limpid elm
Lolol
unique scaffold
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unique scaffold
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limpid elm
If I may add something...
Tier 5 is generally balanced. The newer players are getting used to the game. Still unfamiliar though, unless they have watched videos.
remote valley
maybe a few odd screws loose in the tier cause newer people arent familiar with some of the tanks like kv-1
limpid elm
Tier 7 and especially 8 is where things are a little hazy. There are OP tanks I admit. But they still have weaknesses. You can exploit those weaknesses and come out on top.
@remote valley That's very true. I agree 100%.
unique scaffold
@limpid elm you are right, I usually destroy easily Helsings and Dracs in T28 HTC
Maybe because of their overconfidence
limpid elm
I mostly play the tier 7 medium the panther 1.
jade cargoBOT
Saksocu#5243 was banned
remote valley
the premium tanks... we cant have them nerf cause wg wudnt do tht so any non-prem tank in particular tht needs changes?
muted mist
Could we give some love to the Gun Carrier?
limpid elm
Even with pretty lacking mobility, I am still able to take down many OP tanks. Simple trick: Flank around.
unique scaffold
Why was he banned
Itās going to be removed... got it recently actually a good tank @muted mist
muted mist
yeah I played it seems fun now just very situational
quick lichen
@unique scaffold arguing with a mod in pms
unique scaffold
Ouch
quick lichen
Reading the rules isnāt hard
limpid elm
With panther's low alpha, your shots go unnoticed. Besides, itis overall beneficial to the team by relocating to a different side of the map when the flank you are on is bound to lose.
unique scaffold
@limpid elm Cometās shot arenāt unnoticed but E 25Ā“s ones do. š¤
limpid elm
I hate it when the team throws hate at me for relocating.
muted mist
Panther is a good tank. This is a update 5.5 questions, but after a lot of players get gold for selling thier collector's vehicles, wouldn't that increase the number of premium vehicles and possibly anger the people who bought those premium vehicles with real money? And should I buy the Lowe or the IS-6 with gold from selling collector's vehicles
unique scaffold
@limpid elm yes, relocating is totally ignored in Blitz
limpid elm
@unique scaffold Can't really answer that one... Good question. I wonder why as well. š¤
Oh! DMG is here! Hi!
severe valve
Comet sucks now, Panther is marginally better
remote valley
@muted mist theres already a big hoo-ha from premium tanks becoming collector vehicles
severe valve
@limpid elm hi
limpid elm
Of course! Who wants a tank which was bought using real money to be converted to a tank that can be nerfed and at the same time, lose credit making ability.
muted mist
I hope wargaming does not decrease credit coefficients of tier 8 premiums. I am thinking Lowe over the IS-6 because it has a much better gun
remote valley
erm tanks tht continue to retain their premium status wont be harmed dun worry plus were talking abt higher tiers doing tht is definitely crossing the line in business sense
unique scaffold
@limpid elm the real Problem is that tier 1-5 gameplay is deeply changed, and low Tier prems might lose their fun, but itās tier 1-5 and ok I had fun in my low-tier prems but Iām not going to complain because itās a good change for newbies
limpid elm
Panther 1 is arguably better than comet now. Especially with tier 8 being mostly heavy tanks.
unique scaffold
@limpid elm pen makes the difference (like 50mm)
indigo knot
Comet has only gun depression and low profile as an advantage over panther
limpid elm
That's like 30% more pen. š
muted mist
Comet's pen lets it down. I think A pen buff for the Chi-Ri would be nice. The rest of its dynamics are balanced with the rest of the tier 7 mediums - some extra pen would make it easier to deliver all 3 shells and be more effective, especially against the tier heavies.
remote valley
chi-ri... i dun see any problem with tht tank. Given its autoloader gun its more like a support tank although its quick mag reload makes it frontline in nature
limpid elm
@muted mist I agree. Chi Ri is losing its edge as a Japanese medium characterised by good gun characteristics but lacking armour in spades. Pen buff would help massively. Tier 8 is over run with heavy tanks.
unique scaffold
Panther can sidescrape lmao
muted mist
*tier 8 heavies. The influx of tier 8 heavies with the collector's vehicles sale would really justify a pen buff.
limpid elm
@unique scaffold Good luck sidescraping the panther 1. You will be penned if you are not careful.
muted mist
The T20 would also be nice with a buff, especially now that the T-34-1 has surpassed its unique characteristic of high alpha
unique scaffold
@limpid elm Ikr, they can pen the turret
limpid elm
Hopefully. Tier 7 medium and light tanks are kind of struggling especially those lacking pen.
unique scaffold
@muted mist but at least the M48 Patton line is worth the grind
remote valley
yeah we can have wg doing tht but they have to be careful not to hurt the tier 6s cause if they do they have rebalance and most likely they wud buff everything up. So essentially, a domino effect can occur
limpid elm
Yeah. The domino effect gonna mean many changes needed.
muted mist
@remote valley That is very true. I think a pen buff for the mediums who struggle a lot with penning the heavies at tier 8 should get a reasonable pen buff.
Pen would not power creep the tier 7 mediums too much against tier 6s as tier 7 meds can already arguably easily pen tier 6 meds and lights.
limpid elm
How does this make any sense:
From tier 5 to 6, small upgrade. Tier 6 to 7, a modest upgrade. Tier 7 to 8, again modest upgrade. But against premiums, a lot of tanks struggle... š¤
remote valley
erm if u guys are looking at the tier 7 mts, u can say they run parallel to tie X mts in term of gameplay. both suffer poor pen which makes it hard to pen some of the heavies frontally. But wen u guys look at it, u have to realise.. wg has already made these mts as support tanks
muted mist
premium tier 8 = unlikely nerf. Solution = buff nonpremiums to be competitive with premiums
limpid elm
@remote valley I understand that. But some tanks are really struggling. Either that or people who drive mediums don't know how to flank around on the Asian server. They call you out for ditching them.
muted mist
@remote valley good point. I just hope that they can do so with the influx of heavies. But I would point out that the tier 9 meds' premium rounds are considerably more adept at dealing with heavies
unique scaffold
Prem rounds are game breaker
Can be played with -20 IQ
remote valley
@unique scaffold theres a reason why the alpha dmg dips for prem rounds
limpid elm
@unique scaffold I have -40 IQ. So, I don't know how the use premium ammo. š
muted mist
And if meds are supporting at tier 7, then their pen is decreased over distance as compared to meds at tier 9 who usually have HEAT which does not lose pen over distance
unique scaffold
@remote valley still can be played with -20 IQ, even a bot can do it , donāt pen -> load prammo n spam
muted mist
Chi-Ri premium rounds vs. front of KV-4 = no bueno
and Chi-Ri is not exceptionally fast, so flanking is harder. Maye giving more pen to the slower tanks and less to those that can flank might work
unique scaffold
KV-4 turret ring is quite weak
Problem is autoloader -> loss of accuracy
limpid elm
@muted mist Makes sense. Panther also lacks mobility.
muted mist
Hitting KV-4 turret ring with Chi-Ri at 200 m is a miracle. and your defenders are even worse
unique scaffold
@muted mist yes pen buff would be legit
limpid elm
Give tier 7 meds HEAT rounds like tier 9 meds. Lol
muted mist
lol like tier 7 lights who have more pen than a lot of the meds. and calibrated shells as icing on the cake. Either you sacrifice dpm for pen or keep dpm and struggle a bit with heavies
limpid elm
I went for calibrated shells in me panther 1.
muted mist
that would make either choice better depending on the situation. Could diversify equipment loadouts, but players might not like the idea of a 76mm with HEAT (might be too unconventional)
unique scaffold
Most of tanks of WoTB existed before HEAT
(Not an historical accuracy nazi)
limpid elm
@muted mist True. HEAT shells are generally less reliable anyway. With lower velocity and getting trapped by spaced armour and modules and all. I think the APCR shells should be buffed. As in lose less pen over distance.
muted mist
Yeah and your russian tanks have a lo t of spaced armor
limpid elm
This way, players at tier 7 won't struggle. At the same time, able to pen from distance and not worry about spaced armour and stuff. Leave HEAT for higher tiers when the player knows the mechanics of HEAT.
muted mist
WOT Blitz should have tutorials on the different aspects of the game in a separate tab in the game client. That would really help new players, more so than the rework of lower tiers
limpid elm
You know, I really hope this discussion amounts to something. I really hope they (the Devs) are actually paying attention to this. It's an actual problem for some tanks.
unique scaffold
This discord is mostly to collect feedback I think
quick lichen
Itās a conspiracy @unique scaffold
unique scaffold
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limpid elm
@quick lichen Give us your thoughts on the matter.
muted mist
Greater pen on premium rounds = less damage output for tier 7 meds and lights. It also makes it easier for newer players to play the game, and reduces the powercreep tier 7s would have have as they can't constantly pump tons of dpm into heavies
limpid elm
Err
muted mist
less alpha also gives heavies a greater chance to make better peek-a-boom trades.
quick lichen
@limpid elm *
muted mist
Overall seems like a good change. A con might be overuse of premium rounds on lower and same tier heavies and would make them less effective.
limpid elm
It's a long story. Basically about tier 7 meds having to meet tier 8 heavies. Some of them are struggling? Especially ones with low pen. @quick lichen
quick lichen
Ah
So the thing to me with this is there is a huge dpm difference between tier 7 and tier 8
limpid elm
Panther 1, Chi Ri and Comet were brought up quite a bit. You can just focus on them. They are great examples.
quick lichen
Tier 7s can out dpm a lot of tier 8 heavies if they can pen
cunning vapor
Why dont they bring back 3 shells on spIc
quick lichen
I think itās lost that you need to flank certain tanks. You canāt use a panther 1 against a head one is-6
Using the map, mobility, soft cover and camo is big
limpid elm
RohDough and I were saying something similar.
quick lichen
Start by chipping away far a far
If pen is a problem switch from rammer to calibrated shells. Your dpm is still better than thereās anyways
muted mist
A baseline pen buff enough to pen unangled heavies, but not properly angled heavies might make both sides better. Only the quite low pen tanks should get the buff. This way, you could occasionally pen tier heavies frontally, but would have to flank when they are angling. There might be some caveats to this change though
limpid elm
Chi Ri and panther 1 lacks mobility. But only panther has good pen. Hence, Chi Ri is kind of struggling. Comet has low profile, okay mobility but can't pen the tier 8 heavies.
quick lichen
Honestly a higher tier heavy tank shouldnāt get penned head on if itās an is tank
I played in 2015 when 140ās 330 heat pen and 310 alpha laughed at is-7 armor from the front
Itās not how the game is supposed to play
muted mist
Then would increased mobility solve the problem?
limpid elm
Yeah, we talking mainly about meds.
wicked needle
If mt could pen ht easily then there is no use of ht
limpid elm
But the panther 1 might become OP it has good mobility.
muted mist
Chi-Ri getting a mobility buff would be justified
quick lichen
Allow your heavies to fight thereās while you assist from the side
Chi ri is an oddball
Awesome gun and clip
Paper and huge
Itās like a tier 7 50 100
remote valley
@quick lichen right on. mediums shud be used as support/flanks. Chi-Ri maybe a slight mobility buff might be justifiable given the paper armour its got
limpid elm
I understand that mediums are flankers.
quick lichen
I know you do
Itās hard to explain over text
I think itās easiest to dumb it down and build from there
muted mist
Doesn't have to be a big buff, but enough so it can flank and make do with its autoloader
quick lichen
Chi ri is a support medium
Has to play second or third line
Assisting people with armor
T-34-1 is a different story
limpid elm
Are there such a thing as third line support? š¤
limpid elm
T34-1 has good turret armour. Go hull down and fire at enemies and you'll be good.
muted mist
It will be hard for Chi-Ri to make do second or third line if many tier 8 heavies come into the matchmaker due to the collector's vehicles. Poor pen and pen loss over distance would make it a nightmare against tier 8 heavies
quick lichen
I would try to use the chi ri as a mobile td
Start as an overwatch tank
Get more aggressive as time goes on
limpid elm
Chi Ri should be using its clip to good use.
jade cargoBOT
raikknonen=sucker#1961 was muted
muted mist
I gtg thanks @quick lichen for your opinion
quick lichen
Feel free to pm me if you ever have questions guys
limpid elm
Yeah, thanks for sharing.
quick lichen
I never mind helping people who act appropriately
cunning vapor
When there are only 7 tanks in your team, but the Chiri is a third line support... š
quick lichen
You get the point
jade cargoBOT
raikknonen=sucker#1961 was banned
spring pelican
Damn
limpid elm
@spring pelican Don't be too surprised by bans and mutes. You'll witness many more.
quick lichen
5th time for talha
atomic hound
You're kidding...
limpid elm
Colour me surprised. I've seen other moderators ban the same people multiple times.
quick lichen
@atomic hound last account was named āraikknonen=suckerā
Canāt even spell my name right
Smh
limpid elm
Lol
glacial quest
Chiri is not mobile. Its slow as hell.
glacial quest
I didnt say its bad tank. I sad its not mobile.
quick lichen
3rd highest dpm and hp in tier 7
Figure out how to play it ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
@limpid elm (guess who this is)
limpid elm
@quick lichen You know that's not gonna help him, right?
quick lichen
This guy canāt be helped
wicked needle
Buff t28 and t95
Specially t28 need to buff speed
glacial quest
T28 needs armor buff.
quick lichen
Bruh what?
limpid elm
This could be fun. š
sonic token
How do i play the SP1C? I cannot seem to play it well
wicked needle
Rather give some speed
Maybe upto 30km/hr
glacial quest
@wicked needle It has garbage p/w ratio. It wont even reach that speed.
unique scaffold
Games aren't rigged.
glacial quest
@unique scaffold Mm is whole another level then game balance.
wicked needle
Thats what im taliing about
Give it engine which can reach 30km/hr
atomic hound
T28 needs traverse speed buff, frontal armour buff (anyone who fired prammo pens it) and gun traverse buff. The speed might need a minor buff too, imho
unique scaffold
@glacial quest. Mm is generally fine.
quick lichen
T28 gets a speed buff. Easy
glacial quest
@wicked needle I would give more frontal armor. T28 suppose to be a breakthrough td. Its meant to be slow.
unique scaffold
nerf chinese TD
wicked needle
Yeah make it like t95
glacial quest
Exactly. With armor buff it will play like t95.
atomic hound
Speed buff isn't enough. Compare it to the new Chinese TD with similar armour, waaaaay better speed, and a nicer gun too
glacial quest
@atomic hound disagree. T95 has alot more armor then tier 9 chinese td.
atomic hound
I'm on about the t28 and the newish tier 8 premium TD @glacial quest
glacial quest
@atomic hound As i sad t28 needs armor buff. After the armor buff t28 will have more armor then wz 120-1g ft.
unique scaffold
Plz no update 5.5
quasi bridge
Is there any way the matchmaking and skill gap is gonna change?
unique scaffold
They need to make rating a thing thatās 24/7 and remove random battles
quasi bridge
Nah, I don't think that would be that good. Its so hard to get into ratings
unique scaffold
7v1 and no one helped yeah we need rating
quick lichen
@potatoreload#6063 @unique scaffold this isnāt on topic for the channel
unique scaffold
Yeah it is itās the reason why we need balancing
quick lichen
Donāt post screen shots please
Iām grinding the vk b
Iām aware of the frustration
unique scaffold
I keep getting too many ppl with 8k games and no one in blitz fixes it
glacial quest
Raik For vk 72?
limpid elm
@glacial quest It has to be.
glacial quest
Im grind tiger p now. As soon as 5.5 came i will buy vk 100.
quick lichen
I have 187k xp on it so far, vk b in my garage, vk a, kv13, vk 30.02, t-150, jumbo and t21. You could say Iām ready for 5.5
@unique scaffold I think heās fine
unique scaffold
Maus needs a upgrade
glacial quest
@unique scaffold Maus can only use buff armor behind tracks. Stupidly that place is only 80mm.
strong condor
Maus doesnt need buff
wicked needle
Wtf maus is perfectly okay
I thunk whole tier 10 is okay
strong condor
Is4 too strong
lunar niche
VK100 and Mauschen have stronger armour behind tracks than Maus lol. 100 mm in tier 8, 120 mm in tier 9 and 80 mm in tier X. Lmao.
tender drift
ikr
atomic hound
At least the maus has an amazing turret when angled, the other 2 won't... I do agree about the armour being too low behind the tracks though.
lunar niche
@atomic hound I would say the turret is better in VK if not for the cupola.
However, 240 mm is still low in today's meta where the standard pen for another heavy is 260 and higher with CS. Even angling is 50/50 against 375 pen APCR and 380+ HEAT that gets thrown as soon as you angle.
At least the E10O's tureet cheeks can't be penned with standard shells except high pen TDs.
atomic hound
The e100 struggles to get more than 330mm of protection over its entire turret when angled, the maus does not, and if you change the angle on the turret constantly with the maus, the weakest spot changes dramatically, making it very hard to pen.
lunar niche
But E100 is not Maus. It does not rely on its armour like Maus. It at least has a 15 cm gun that can cripple another to balance it out. Maus has 128mm with the worst dpm, aimtime and pen.
330 mm is minimum pen nowadays with CS. You have to overangle the turret to bounce the shot aimed at cheeks and sometimes its the overangled turret side corner that gets penned. It's still 50/50 in favour of high pen shells instead of effective armour.
One match i bounced 7 HEAT shells out 8 from E100 face to face. And in another i kept getting penned regardles of angling and wiggling. Probably a result of CS HEAT.
glacial quest
@strong condor This place is not getting shots regularly. Because its tiny and hard to shoot if maus is wiggling. However i believe maus shouldbt have such a weakspot.
swift rose
Russian MTs are soo OP against a grille 15
queen hemlock
@wicked needle please refrain from using wtf. Thanks
frail kestrel
iām having some trouble with match making
indigo knot
Please buff grille in term of camo rating
183 has better camo rating than grille ....camo rating of 183 should be nerfed and grile should be buffed a little....
queen hemlock
Why nerf KV2? @plush hill
It does not need any nerfing. Pen isn't brilliant. The tank is slow and has awful aim time.
glacial quest
He pen nerf? This thing has more he pen then jageroo he pen.
wicked needle
Yeah grille camo is so bad
It gets spotted easily
crimson cosmos
Why is the Grilleās camo so bad? The gun is fair to middling but if you twitch, even behind cover with a net, you get spotted.
jovial kernel
Because the gun moves to the side and pushes the bushes over, making the enemies look at the movement then see the Grille in the gap in the bushes left by the gun.
unique scaffold
Gravedigger should be nerfed
jovial kernel
Grave Digger just needs to have recoil removed so I can actually shoot the lower plate
exotic ginkgo
Generally speaking, I think the gravedigger is a great balanced tank
I donāt think it should get nerfed or buffed
heady laurel
I think we need 2 updates worth of data on the Gravedigger befpre any changes. Plus the gun is the same as the amx 13 57 so i wonder if the heavy out preforms the light in statistics
quick lichen
@heady laurel woah. Did you just use logic and a system that wg has used since the beginning? I canāt even right now
Itās almost as if wg collects data on every tank for two updates first
heady laurel
Usually. Unless its the Kenny, then they just pull it and forget about it.
Drac too, seemed like, "yep we did that, lets buff 7 tanks instead of changing perameters for 1 tank."
I do think WG does have a system, however it includes RU, EU, NA, and Asia (plus others) while most players only see one one server style gameplay so it doesn't aalways make sense to us.
quick lichen
@heady laurel some call it stupid. I call it innovation š
inner locust
I think the side armor on digger should be nerfed slightly
muted mist
Vk.45.02 A needs a buff. The tier heavy is outshined by many other good performers. IS-5, for example, has better armor and comparable if not more mobility than it. Also, should I get the Lowe or the IS-6 with the gold from collector's vehicles?
jovial kernel
Lowe, Lowe is borderline op now but the IS-6 is still just left as balanced
lyric shore
I hate the Lƶwe
radiant kelp
Balance matchmaking
indigo knot
@jovial kernel From what I know camo rating depends on size of tank and on being stationary
jovial kernel
no it doesn't the Grille 15 has worse camo than the Death Star
shrewd kiln
No camo needed on such a heavy anyways.
manic coyote
I hate the 5.5
inner locust
I hate most of 5.5
lapis shadow
I hate the Death Star even though I have it
Just because how annoying it is
The only reason I bought was that I had an feeling that the Badger was replacing it soon before I got it
coarse harness
What about you take out this gun from the WZ-120 ?š¤
Because it's ,,only" 200K XP to fully upgrade the tank, if you already used the WZ-110...
Don't you think it's a bit too much ?
jovial kernel
same with Cent 7/1
jovial kernel
most tier 9s are like that yeah
and the T-54 doesn't need that much xp but you need to play with 175mm pen
plucky pumice
bring back that extra 3% reload speed pls
lyric tendon
Stock pta is best tank in the game.
lapis shadow
Not
lyric tendon
@lapis shadow Sarcasm.
coarse harness
I have all the tech tree tanks exept the two chinese T10, so I don't care the other tanks anymoreš
stone crane
Update 5.5 is a loss to everyone , including new players to come
Are we seeing the beginning of the end for blitz?
quick lichen
Nope
Iām really excited for 15k gold
All for tanks I never play anyways
Seal clubbers are being protected
5.5 2/3
pale saffron
You know how the SU-100Y and ISU-130 get a second AP shell with more damage? Do you guys think that could be an option for the IS-7?
quick lichen
Wait
You want to take the tank with the worst premium rounds of any tier x heavy, and LOWER the penetration on its premium rounds for higher alpha?
lyric tendon
@pale saffron Sounds like an is7 nerf. Is7 needs ap pen nerf imho but this will work fine too.
pale saffron
Again, just an idea
quick lichen
Hopefully it stays at that
quick lichen
Do you want a hesh gun for the jg e100 too?
quick lichen
Indeed Charlie Brown
pale saffron
yes
lyric tendon
@quick lichen Is7 needs ap pen nerf.There is literally no reason for one of the most mobile heavy and trollish armor to have best ap penetration in its class. It should nerfed 250 from 260.
quick lichen
LOL WHAT?
Everyone in comp runs calibrated shells on the IS-7 to make it competitive and you want to nerf its pen?!?
IS-4 out classes the IS-7 in every way other than speed, alpha and ap pen
Itās ap pen is mitigated by you guessed it. IS-4 spam
lyric tendon
Is4 needs another nerf. Thats another topic.
quick lichen
No kidding
Turret hatch or front plate. Can only keep one
Iād argue to keep the turret as is
lyric tendon
Im not kidding. Is7 doesnt deserve 260 pen on ap.
pale saffron
uh
coarse harness
The IS-7 has the secound worst dpm in T10, the IS-4 has the third
quick lichen
You must never have played comp in tier x
Fox please confirm this
The IS-7 needs the awful pen it has
pale saffron
Iād agree
lyric tendon
Is7 suppose to have a garbage gun. Its not really that garbage actually.
quick lichen
WHAT?
Have you played tier x lately??
No one runs is-7s
Theyāre all dead
113 or is-4s only
The IS-7 is useless
pale saffron
Or dual T57 himmelsdorf run
lyric tendon
As i told you ıs4 needs nerf too. 113 is still not popular on randoms.
pale saffron
Iāll stop
lyric tendon
113 has worse traverse speed even then is7. also upper plate armor isnt very good.
pale saffron
Yeah
quick lichen
Fox. Would ddr run is-7s or is-4s if you had the choice?
lyric tendon
On a very high skill ceiling ranked game 113s perfect but not so much in randoms.
quick lichen
And if you were doing a rush strat, 113s or is-7s?
pale saffron
Uh
unique fulcrum
IS7's
quick lichen
The overall player base isnāt skilled at tier x
@unique fulcrum donāt do this to me
pale saffron
IS-4 for reliability
quick lichen
My sanity canāt take it
coarse harness
The overall player base isn's skilled at allš
lyric tendon
mediums easily cod a 113. thats why its not that great at randoms.
quick lichen
In what world does that happen?
unique fulcrum
@quick lichen Is funny tho heu heu heu
pale saffron
For a rush strat, it kind of depends
unique fulcrum
LOL we ran 7xAMX50Bs in QT's last night, was pretty funny tbh
quick lichen
Lol
lyric tendon
If an ally covers 113 back then 113 became golden. An unstopable force.
quick lichen
Well I donāt see people running 7 113s so thatās false
unique fulcrum
Might just be me but I don't like the 113
lyric tendon
Any tank can cover its back not just itself.
quick lichen
113 is a bad tank with good speed and dpm
Seriously. Of all the things wrong with blitz, you choose IS-7 ap pen?
lyric tendon
Is7 pen is one of them.Is7 never deserved 260 ap pen. Its best in its class.
pale saffron
183 main reveal
unique fulcrum
yes I like the 113 dpm, but I swear I can't pen things 90% of the time drives me bonkers
quick lichen
@unique fulcrum you need premium rng
E5 gets 258 pen
Why is 2mm a problem?
E100 is 258
lyric tendon
@pale saffron 183 required no skill just camp in spawn.
unique fulcrum
@quick lichen Sell it to me discounted pls (2mm matters... girls tell me so)
quick lichen
Itāll be last years rng but I can give you a discount
lyric tendon
Is7 should have 250 ap pen just like in wot pc.
quick lichen
Should it have 490 alpha like pc?
lyric tendon
If other 130 mm guns do 490 why not?
quick lichen
What about the 113 and 121?
pale saffron
popcorn.jpg
quick lichen
Also you just rebroke the jg tiger
unique fulcrum
I think the 113 should do 640 alpha...
lyric tendon
Generally speaking wot pc has higher alpha damages but penetration values remains same.
quick lichen
Nerfing the IS-7 pen basically forces you to use calibrated shells on a tank with awful dpm, gun handling and accuracy
How is that balanced?
dapper osprey
I think they should buff the 121
lyric tendon
Armor and speed. It doesnt needs a good gun.
dapper osprey
121 needs more dpm imo and more consistent 400 rolls, it always rolls for 360
unique fulcrum
tell that to the 40%er who troll bounced me š¦
lyric tendon
Disagree. Is7 has very armor for its tier.Especially with that mobility.
quick lichen
Not at all
unique fulcrum
yes, 10mm all around armour for leo.
quick lichen
Not against 374 heat pen
clever portal
All the ghost shells bothers me more than anything else
dapper osprey
Ghost shells?
quick lichen
T57 and amx 50b almost always run Cali and butter The is-7
clever portal
Yes shells that shoot but nothing there
quick lichen
Is-4 e5 and e100 heat butters the is7
lyric tendon
Autolaoders generally use calibrated shells.
regal grove
Inb4 hull down with 6 gd
quick lichen
215b Apcr is probably the best Shell in the game
dapper osprey
?
lyric tendon
Lol 215b has best heavy gun in the whole game.
regal grove
But that makes up for subpar hull armor
dapper osprey
I pen the 215b turret with e100 Ap because large coupala
lyric tendon
@dapper osprey 215b cuppola is extremely small.
regal grove
In pubs is-7 is ok, but thatās only cuz I havenāt used IS-4 or any other true HT
quick lichen
2017 is-7 was meta
lyric tendon
After the is4 nerf people will start to use is7.
quick lichen
When is the is-4 nerf coming?
pale saffron
July 32nd
quick lichen
Are you coding it yourself? @lyric tendon
lyric tendon
I dont know when. If wg nerfs is4 people will start to use is7.
dapper osprey
@quick lichen only reason to use is-7 is because itās your only tier 10
clever portal
Then both tank wonāt be that good again
quick lichen
@dapper osprey amen
If they nerf the is4 and the is7 pen, why wouldnāt you convert to 113 only?
Have you forgotten how balancing works?
lyric tendon
Because 113 not noob proof like is7 and is4 so it wont.
quick lichen
Uh what?
Look at comp
Itās as good of an indication as it gets
113s over is7s
Only reason why is4s exist is because of how strong they are
You nerf the is4 and no one uses them either
dapper osprey
@quick lichen is the E4 bad or is it just balanced
lyric tendon
Yes 113 is great no doubt about that.But that doesnt mean everyone start playing 113 if wg nerfs them. Because 113 is requires much more skill to play.
quick lichen
No
dapper osprey
@quick lichen I play it as second line and if I have to flex as a heavy
quick lichen
Youāre taking away the idea of a fool proof is4
At that point the 113 is7 and is4 are all even
But the 113 is king on dpm
So the 113 will reign supreme
Before the buff, how many people used is4s?
Almost no one
lyric tendon
Dpm can be king but people will tends to play with is7 and is4 more because 113 has nowhere close good armor as them.
dapper osprey
E4>Is-7 at this point
clever portal
Isnāt the idea for war gaming to have players play tanks that normally donāt get played in time
quick lichen
@clever portal youāve played tier x comp. do you see diversity?
Or do you see is-4 spam?
clever portal
Long ago is7 got played in tournaments and not is4
quick lichen
And now?
dapper osprey
@quick lichen _STR8 had diversity, they ran E-100 Grille 15 Mk.6 2 batchats and a is-4
bold dagger
I was just in a CW match and i can tell you itās IS-4 spam
quick lichen
Yes and what are the results @dapper osprey ?
clever portal
I see is4 like I used to see is7
dapper osprey
@quick lichen they destroyed, it was on one of the live streams
dapper osprey
They beat PNCR very well with that strat @quick lichen
pale saffron
Diversity canāt always beat robustness
clever portal
Is7 was the tournament tank now it isnāt like you say
lyric tendon
113 and is7 are very different tanks. I generally hate is tanks so 113 is for me.
dapper osprey
I generally hate any tank that goes under 40
clever portal
Thatās a lot of tanks you donāt like lol
lyric tendon
@dapper osprey 113 has same traverse speeds with e100.
dapper osprey
@clever portal āgenerallyā and @lyric tendon 113 is great it goes 40
lyric tendon
Only on straight lines. A slight turn and all of that speed wasted.
clever portal
I donāt have that tank yet but looking forward in getting it
dapper osprey
@clever portal donāt show your sides and hull down for ez purple points
Also is the Stb-1 even relevant for tournaments? Or in general
clever portal
I would like to see more tier10 tanks in tournaments I think it would make it more fun to play tournaments
It gets boring to play same tank all the time E3 is4 155 268 and 50B at times
tepid cipher
STB is among the best medium tanks in the game
Very relevant in tournaments.
I would say,
- E50M
- STB-1
- T-62A
- Leopard 1
- Obj. 140
- M48 Patton
- FV 4202
severe valve
reduce slowmode
obsidian osprey
Does prammo run meds in tier X tournies though? Why not just a bat chat?
tepid cipher
Lots of teams run mediums. Batchats can't hold down a position or abuse DPM like a medium can
severe valve
nerf slowmode it's too powerful
tepid cipher
What's funny is the M48 had a time where it was the best med for comp. Yet now it lies near the bottom of the list. Between that time and now, it's stats were completely unchanged
bold dagger
Lmao. Unfortunately I canāt do that. Iāll bring it up again with WG
rancid flame
What is really so special about the STB though? It has avg penetration, good view range, but not much better than its competitors if at all, avg to sub-par penetration, sub-par dpm, and truly, not that great of a turret along with paper armor. Not fast either
severe valve
best in class view range. slow mode succ and making me wait so now I have to edit
bold dagger
STB is a blend of Leopard 1 and Patton. Takes the best and worst features of the vehicles.
obsidian osprey
How is M60 now that theyāve buffed it even further above the M48 (in preparation for sale in crates perhaps)?
tepid cipher
On the contrary. It is fast, does have good DPM, does have good armor. The view range is nice but the batchat fills that role
rancid flame
In what universe does the STB has good armor?
quick lichen
@severe valve we canāt
severe valve
M60 is a specialized M48. That doesn't mean better, that means specialized.
modern fern
Against stock e50 stb is great
quick lichen
Stb has a bouncy turret
tepid cipher
It takes a lot of skill to use the armor.
shy wren
The bouncy turret, also itās low profile
rancid flame
I also wouldnāt call a top speed of 53 KM/hr fast
quick lichen
Itās fast enough for its job
tepid cipher
You can't just sit still and expect a bounce;
You can't poke too far over a ridge or they will pen your gun "mantlet";
53 km/h is faster than most meds and all heavies
quick lichen
If you need something faster itās not brawling
modern fern
E50 M
rancid flame
Sure, but you donāt always have a ridgeline to work off of
tepid cipher
E50M is very relevant I would say, especially on the russian server. It's used as a sort of 113 'lite'
shy wren
@rancid flame hence the different strategies per map
severe valve
the best medium is the IS7
rancid flame
^
tepid cipher
If there's a ridge, there's a place where an STB can abuse anything it sees
obsidian osprey
Consulting blitzhangar, it appears M60 is just better than the M48 in every way unless Iām missing something in the armor profile. Forgive my ignorance, I rarely see M60s out there these days
tepid cipher
Yep, M60 is just plain better than the M48. Still pretty bad for comp though
severe valve
m60 has a very weak profile compared to M48. You want to use M60 only if you plan on using all the gun depression. The M48 is a better all rounder and is much more versatile. M60 finds is role as a mid-long range gun depression abuser.
tepid cipher
Upon further stat research, the STB actually has very good DPM at 3000 (with 257 AP and 330 HEAT)
severe valve
I did not know the subtle differences between M60 and M48 until I played both. They are surprisingly different.
tepid cipher
M60 buffs change the play style alot. It can be much more aggressive than the M48... It feels almost more precise and less american; Almost german in a way
shy wren
M48 has rounded hull, M60 doesnāt
severe valve
the shape of the hull matters alot. It is an M48 with a little more gun and a lot less armor
rancid flame
There are tier 7s with 3k dpm, not that special. I donāt think the STB is a bad tank, I just donāt think itās really anything special
obsidian osprey
Yeah I see that hull armor now- quite a bit softer on m60 interesting
tepid cipher
You would agree that the T-62A has good DPM right?
The T-62A only has 300 more DPM than the STB.
severe valve
and 1 more degree of depression on M60. So you must be using all of that depression to make the most of your armor, or you might as well drive M48. I would almost always choose M48 over M60
bold dagger
@rancid flame 7 seems a little low...
Grille, 62A, 140, 113, 183 (with HESH), STB, Leopard, 263, 121b
Those are some i can name rn
Jageroo as well
tepid cipher
What
modern fern
How about su152
rancid flame
Not to mention the JGPZ. IV has or is at least pushing 3k dpm at tier 6
tepid cipher
So what. We're talking tier 10 not tier 6/7/whatever
limpid elm
IS is tier 7.
modern fern
i didnt know that
tepid cipher
It doesn't matter what DPM the Jg Pz IV has. You wouldn't bring that to fight against a team of 7 tier 10s
rancid flame
Iām just saying that 3k dpm is neither good nor special. Itās average at best
tepid cipher
3k is nearly the best you can get at tier 10... Definitely something special.
Standard tier 10 heavies are all around 2400 DPM. Beating that number by 700/1000 is pretty big
obsidian osprey
so whatās the worst tier 10 med at this point? E50M and t62a got buffed like crazy, STB is good, M48/M60 mediocre now? 121 is kind of a weirdo because of the gun. 121B and 140 are mildl variations on T62a
rancid flame
And there are other medium tanks that can beat that still such as the Leo
quick lichen
4202
tepid cipher
^
devout shuttle
The rhm seems so underpowered
obsidian osprey
Oh right lol forgot about that goober
modern fern
Against russsian tds maybe @devout shuttle
limpid elm
Heshgasm
obsidian osprey
also forgot the Leo 1 but that has a niche
rancid flame
From personal experience I wouldnāt say the 4202 is really much of an improvement over the 7/1 so yah, I agree with that
devout shuttle
Yeah lemme restate it Russian tds whip any other td
rancid flame
^
modern fern
^
quick lichen
Please allow the boys to talk about tier x meds here
Talk tier 8 tds in #vehicles-discussion
That way thereās no overlap
@devout shuttle I feel like you should read
Next emote gets a 2 day mute
Continue your discussion
devout shuttle
Let's talk about tier x meds
rancid flame
What does everyone think about the FV4202?
obsidian osprey
So the WZ-121. Iām about to purchase it (a few weeks out in credits). I get that itās not competitive. But is it fun? Looking for anecdotal impressions. I know the WZ-120 is hated but I liked it and the 34-2 and 34-3 if that paints a picture
gentle isle
how is 121b compared with original 121 and something like a 62a?
rancid flame
121b is a 121 with (I forget) either a 105 or 100mm gun
quick lichen
@obsidian osprey lovely tank
twilit crystal
121 has the best armor profile of the 3 russian meds
tepid cipher
121 seems very fun. Lot's of alpha and the 1 second aim time is a nice meme
rancid flame
Yeah, the quick aim time is one of the hallmarks of the line
devout shuttle
Isn't the do nasty though
twilit crystal
but that on the move accuracy so you always have to aim and can't risk a snapshot EVER except at 10 meters
tepid cipher
As for the 121B, I love mine. It goes pretty quick, the armor is fantastic for a med, and the gun is also pretty nice
obsidian osprey
Yeah thatās part of the fun lol
gentle isle
@tepid cipher how do you think it compares with t62a?
tepid cipher
I don't think it does honestly. The 62A is a laser cannon and the 121B is much more of a first line medium;
Very different tanks, very different play styles.
gentle isle
@tepid cipher which one would you recommend for a first time medium player (I usually play heavies and tds)?
obsidian osprey
You pay a lot for the extra alpha of the 105 on the 121b relative to the 62 and 140
rancid flame
First time medium players might not want to play the Russian or Chinese lines tbh
tepid cipher
I think for your first medium the M48 patton is a good tank to get. Between the 62A and 121B the 62A feels more comfortable, but it's still hard to get right for players that are new to meds
gentle isle
thanks all
rancid flame
The 48 Patton is a decent first tier 10 med, probably best bet
obsidian osprey
yeah Patton is easy or E50M would be a good heavy-> med transition now
tepid cipher
Yeah. It may not be the best, or anywhere close to that, but it is extremely comfortable to play
rancid flame
So what do you guys think about the FV4202? Personally I think itās ugly as sin, but thatās about where my qualified views stop
obsidian osprey
itās got weird ears a bit yeah. Hull armor is nice and catches me off guard occasionally on the receiving end
twilit crystal
e50m is just op now
tepid cipher
4202 will always be in a strange place. Never able to be used in tournament play, but for the most part fun in random battles using the HESH gun
obsidian osprey
That lower plate is so big though; played poorly itās so easy to handle (E50M)
twilit crystal
yeah it is but e50m is meant for either 2 ranges 2 meters away or 200 meters away. U
rancid flame
My main gripe with the FV is that it doesnāt quite play like the Cent 7/1, but I donāt think itās a bad tank. That doesnāt mean I donāt wish it wonāt be replaced by the Cent Action X, however
obsidian osprey
yeah very true does both extremely well
tepid cipher
I would personally like to see the Cent A/X added as an alternative tier 10. A/X with a HEAT gun and 4202 with the HESH gun.
rancid flame
Honestly, even with the same gun, itās not like they would play exactly alike as long as the A/X kept the Cent speed. The A/X would play like the Cents and the 4202 could play more like the earlier tanks in the line
Mainly I love the 7/1 for the amount I have trolled 183s not paying attention. Theyāll try to HESH you in your side skirts and only get, like, 300-500 dmg and then you just circle and HESH them
twilit crystal
cent 7/1 is so fun
quick bison
thick condor
183 is fun as well
modern fern
Stock PTA also fun
thick condor
Also the old e75 before they removed the stock stock engine
Also when tier 10 Copperfield was a thing
devout shuttle
I feel like the 1375 is just a joke it's so underpowered
thick condor
I found it enjoyable. But what do I know
subtle seal
But yeah... The 13 75 is underpowered.
thick condor
Just upset it isnt as good as a helsing?
subtle seal
It is basically a medium tank with the light tank symbol and an autoloader
thick condor
It has stationary camo on movement no?
subtle seal
No it is supposed to be a light tank..... An amx 12t shouldnt be able to outspot the amx 13 75, so That is why it is dissapointing. Stationary, medium view range and camo
unique scaffold
I think the kv13 should have 1 more degree of gun d epresson
I think the uhhh Lƶwe needs a health buff
Lƶwe is fine
from being able to add an additional 10 more hp to the 90 u can put on it
Lol 10 HP donāt make any difference
sullen vault
I'd wish some tanks gain a traverse buff
unique scaffold
Wich ones?
quick lichen
Just some of them
shy wren
r/technicallythetruth
rancid flame
I wish the 57 heavy had a faster reverse speed than 12 km/hr
ember thunder
I wish tiger 2 had better armour and reload time like in real life
jovial kernel
IMO it would be nice if the Tiger II had more than one viable gun
jovial kernel
I'd say it's at an all time Lowe point.
fickle plaza
Kpfpz 70 needs buff!!!! Penetration buff!!!! Reload time buff!!!!
indigo tinsel
They made the kpz 70 slightly underpowered on purpose because they knew only good players would get it, at least originally. So it wouldnāt outperform every other tank simply because newbs can get their hands on it.
winged barn
Nerf reload and buff hull armor
forest drum
That thing on the turret is pennable right?
indigo tinsel
Only for high pen tier 10s the turret is decent
elder oriole
50b 2.0second ammo reload
jovial kernel
the problem is the kpz has that massive side boob cupola
flat zephyr
void patrol
How do you wanna buff the Type 64?
bold dagger
So, a Hellcat
smoky yoke
I got a question for devs? If you nerfing everything, why keep t-7 car with such a low penetration. When you decrease 200 clip dmg to 50 clip dmg?
void patrol
Question: What are the TDs of Tier X unique for? They generally have worth DPM than MTs of Tier X. Gun handling feels meh, with Grille as the only exception. And those two components are generally what makes TDs stand out at the lower tiers.
limpid elm
@void patrol Behold! Something called big alpha and HE.
void patrol
Big alpha is useless if the shells canāt hit the target
jovial edge
The high alpha makes TDās stand out of all the tanks that canāt hit the target
modern fern
@void patrol kv2
crystal ridge
KV-2 always hit the target comrade
If not psysically than at least mentally š š
remote valley
@void patrol ur ans wud be all TDs do not have a fully traversable turret/ turretless
modern fern
All?
remote valley
in the game yes.. T110e4 has a turret but its not fully traverseable i.e. cannot rotate 360 degrees all around. (and im referring to Tier X btw ofc the lower tiers have TDs with traverseable turrets)
unborn gorge
kpz 70 should have a 1500hp engine, upper front plate should have spaced armour and WHY is there a 4th crew member in the turret? In real life this thing had an auto-loader so what is the 4th crew member doing in there?
unique scaffold
IRL the Project was cancelled
void patrol
@remote valley Iām talking about strengths that are unique to the TD class. The lack of flexibility is not a strength, but a weakness. -.-
vestal depot
gg weekends
remote valley
@void patrol in tht case its the high penetration then as well as the caliber of the guns for Tier X TDs
void patrol
Caliber is questionable, while though the high penetration is definitely a strength, it isnāt exactly significant
remote valley
it is very significant if u count out the prem rounds, the difference in pen of standard rounds is more significant. As for caliber, with the exception of obj 263 with its 130mm gun and E100 and Vk72.01, the two tier X heavies tht have TD-like caliber guns u will realise how useful the caliber of these guns are especially wen u go on the overmatch part
unique scaffold
@void patrol Itās no significant when meds can spam prammo and still have better dpm than u ._.
lunar niche
@quaint crow Irc, its an enriched tank. WG can nerf it.
odd girder
Em, Gravedigger has a little bit too much armor
unique scaffold
Plenty of weakpoints
Turret ring n cheeks, lfp, cupola
quaint crow
Ok
odd girder
Plenty of weakspots?? some VI tanks can't pen it to his side
amber lark
For those of us who won the Kpz70 they could have at least given us a special camo to distinguish us from the wallet warriors
remote valley
didnt they give ya a special camo -.- unless they made tht camo available
unique scaffold
They made it available
past oracle
Hiii
random spruce
@amber lark so what if people purchased this tank
icy hemlock
You think that the t22 med will be as OP as when it first appear in wot ?
crystal ridge
surely
amber lark
Thatās fine but it would have been nice to have something to show I āearnedā the tank by being in the top 1000
icy hemlock
@amber lark it s approx. The same ad wot
crystal ridge
in crates with 0.000001% chance of dropping and like 20000 gold per chest, dont forget its WH after all
random spruce
@amber lark who cares? the only person who seems to care about that is you! it's your own issue not the playerbase
amber lark
Iām sure if you ask the other 998 they would agree...I canāt give my opinion?...the other guy in my clan who won it agreed
icy hemlock
@crystal ridge yep and you h 99.9999999% chance of having 1 credit
crystal ridge
@icy hemlock ehmm what?
random spruce
@amber lark you can give your opinion if it was a true valid point !however if people wish to purchase said premium tanks it does not make them a bad person or a so called wallet warrior ! perhaps you need to re think your limited beliefs on this this! which obviously wasn't your original idea in the first place do stop copying other peoples words! and trying to make yourself look good on here!all you are doing is making your self look like a complete numpty!
done laters all
amber lark
Read what I wrote....never said they were bad...just said wanted to be distinguished between somebody who paid for it....you are the such a fkn moron.....
limpid elm
@amber lark Watch your language. Moderators are always watching.
random spruce
see above post ! and you say i'm a moron!" pfft rofl
@amber lark it's people like you that are the cancer of this gaming community
enough said laters all
remote valley
@random spruce well he cant see ur message cause justice has been carried out for u
random spruce
@remote valley wow am i supposed to be impressed? now that is off your chest do you feel more of a man? problem is people can't handle the truth
hallow mirage
Bonjour jais un problĆØme je voudrait remboursĆ© un camouflage ces possible
unique scaffold
@hallow mirage. Welcome to the ENGLISH server.
hallow mirage
Hello
unique scaffold
If you want to help newer players and let them grind faster to higher tiers,freakin nerf scavengers because they are everywhere,has a derp gun that can use, godly armor and enough penetration to fight heavies with no problems
remote valley
@unique scaffold its gonna be for a short time oni after a while its back to normal
unique scaffold
I hope..
random spruce
@unique scaffold scavengers hmm not a bad tank but it's wg's secret nerf to tier 5 especially the kv1 !
however they wont tell you this but if you have a brain it's so obvious
@remote valley one word just for you chump/chode
unique scaffold
Of course,let's nerf a basic tank with a stronger tank :D
remote valley
sure thing mate sure thing... not like imma expect more salt from u @random spruce
random spruce
@remote valley cut the bs keep your nose out and man up child
remote valley
sure thing...
random spruce
back to balance discussions people
Regarding this game i have a friend who has less than 100 battles however his wr is 71% thanks to my help but what i am trying to say here wargaming are already offering their premium tanks at tier 8 and 9 at huge discounts to him ! no wonder this game is seriously wrong !people get so frustrated in higher tiers ! it's a very flawed way of doing things perhaps if wargamong didn't encourage this for newer players and actually set a specific criteria for a newer player ! i.e a set amount of lower tier battles before doing this surely it would improve the balance later on in high tiers
quick lichen
@random spruce @remote valley if you two want to act like children, take it to pm and off of this server. Thanks...
knotty marlin
it will be possible to improve the shot damage of the matilda in the next update?, its possible use it in game
quick lichen
There are several guns on the Matilda to choose from still
unique scaffold
Well his derp gun is useless XD
crystal ridge
no kidding
unique scaffold
It's usefull only if you spam HEAT, 20 of penetration for the stardard HE..meh,doing 40 of damage even on light tanks and wait a long reload..
knotty marlin
then in game i go 20 km / h, the have gun that makes 45/50 damage control levels 5/6 that make 180 with a turret rotation impossible to manage
unique scaffold
Lol. The top gun on the Matilda is awesome. It's basically a machine gun.
Yeah 40 of damage :'D
knotty marlin
no wrong 44
unique scaffold
As slow as you are everyone can circle you or shoot and hide while you can't do anything
knotty marlin
well..
unique scaffold
You are playing it wrong.
quick lichen
Anytime I read āIām a Matilda and I canāt do anythingā I cringe
crystal ridge
@quick lichen me too mate me too š
unique scaffold
Most of my Matilda games were when I was a noob and we still had +2/-2 mm. I had a 60% win-rate in it. If you can't make it work now I don't really know what to say. š¤·
stone carbon
@unique scaffold i played my panzer III/IV against the tankenstein back then with the +2/-2 MM, and got rekt alot of times
lyric tendon
@unique scaffold matilda is powercreeped by dw2.
stone carbon
Nah matilda DPM is superb
unique scaffold
@lyric tendon. When I played it I was seeing KV-2's... What's your point?
lyric tendon
@unique scaffold And you can see pz 2 that cant pen you from anywhere even with gold. Matilda is not great tank now. Especially when compared with dw2.
potent stone
Balance Fv183
unique scaffold
I don't think you are comprehending what I'm telling you. I played it in a much more hostile environment then what it sees now and ran a 60% win-rate in it as a new player. If you can't make it work now that is on you and not the tank. Matilda is fine.
@lyric tendon
atomic hound
@unique scaffold I was playing with +2/-2 as well, but I never once remember being in a tier 6 game in a tier 4. Not once (lots of tier ten games in the stock kv-4 though... That was painful)
quick lichen
I do
lyric tendon
@unique scaffold Matilda is fine. Its balanced as it is but dw2 is much better then it.
quick lichen
lol the Matilda is balanced
Sure buddy
Half of the tanks that see it, canāt pen it with gold
plush umbra
matilda is pretty ez to pen in some tanks. but all big guns are getting removed so i expect matilda to become op again
plush umbra
true. i don't like valentine though
wind sandal
Val is weak in the back. I could pen it with the bt7 art
quick lichen
How many times does that happen?
plush umbra
oof. and that has 39 mm of pen
wind sandal
With the val and val 2 when I see them I get behind them and it's an easy he pen.
plush umbra
art is pretty fun for sealclubbing when you play with a friend who just started
although it doesn't make you feel as bad when comparing it with kv2
wind sandal
Yeah
plush umbra
i once shot an kuro moro mine in the side for 1100 dmg. he had all of his hp and then he just died
wind sandal
Yep right between the tracks and the upper plate
plush umbra
yes i did all 1100 dmg, i started a fire
wind sandal
Yep. The salt must of been real
ember thunder
I once did 1k dmg on is3 with su152
I shot HE at its side
unique scaffold
salt intensifies
ember thunder
And boom...it got set on fire
shy wren
Matilda was my go to tank during my early days in 2016. Then the B2 was won in Blitz Fair 2016. Matilda can chew through B2 like butter
unique scaffold
Omg rip this poor guy @ember thunder
ember thunder
@shy wren yup mat OP
shy wren
All three tanks are viable options, but I donāt really favor the DW 2
ember thunder
Yup
willow junco
Dw2 was only counter to those Thick armored tanks
shy wren
Gonna be weird, seeing the Matilda in a Heavy slot
narrow terrace
Not weird.
shy wren
After playing with the Matilda under the medium class, itās gonna take some time to get used to seeing the Heavy tag
ember thunder
But srly.. buff tiger 2
narrow terrace
Tiger 2 is strong enough!
unique scaffold
Whatās wrong with Tiger II
quick lichen
The lowe lol
shy wren
Hull armor, maybe
quick lichen
Thatās whatās wrong with the tiger 2
ember thunder
Gun is good but side horrible armour horrible
narrow terrace
Tiger 2 can easily kill IS3 in 1vs1! Sidescraping very good. Nice fast reloading strong pen gun. I loved my TIger 2 Armor is strong enough
ember thunder
@narrow terrace ahem it cant sidescrape
limpid elm
Wut? Lowe too strong.
narrow terrace
Lƶwe has a little bit to much lower plate armor... better buff his mobility but reduce lower plate and side armor cuz it feels so russian when you see this tank in enemy tank
quick lichen
Is3 can do something better than side scrape. It can reverse side scrape
shy wren
The 80mm is enough to defensive sidescrape
ember thunder
@shy wren ... it seems like it but its not
limpid elm
Tiger 2 is good. But Lowe is better. Everyone thinks tiger 2 is bad because Lowe and credits. Frontal armour of tiger is worse for example. Sidescraping ability is about the same for both.
quick lichen
Then youāre doing something wrong @ember thunder
shy wren
Remember your training in the Vk 36.01 H
narrow terrace
Tiger 2 has more mobility and THAT is the BEST thing
limpid elm
@narrow terrace True dat.
indigo knot
Vk45.02 sucks
shy wren
Depends entirely on opinion
limpid elm
@indigo knot A or B? B is good. A is what we are talking about.
narrow terrace
Vk45 is VERY nice in normal wot! Like Tiger 1 BUT 45Ā° frontal armor 100mm much better
unique scaffold
The A one = mediocrity on tracks
Pen is meh
Armour is meh
ManÅuverability is meh
shy wren
Well, gn everyone
indigo knot
@limpid elm I am talking about Vk4502a....it sucks ....Bad version of tiger2 ...
unique scaffold
Yep
ember thunder
Yep
narrow terrace
lol
quick lichen
@indigo knot erm what?
I grinded that two months ago. Itās excellent
If you use it like a tiger 2 no wonder why you hate it
Completely different playstyle
narrow terrace
Vk45 nice tank
limpid elm
Fun fact: VK 45.02A is outsmarting every tank out there. Since every tank has its lower plate as a weakness, the VK 45.02A decided to have more armour on its lower plate and at a better angle than its upper plate. š What a genius!