I’m a unicum
#tank-balance-discussion
last flame
sweet remnant
Not saying anyone will... but right now, there is a possibility which wasn't here before
unique scaffold
So is _tanner lmao and he’s better than anyone his account got nuked
last flame
Point is that I’m not a nub lol I just like premiums 🤷🏽♂️
mortal temple
Well, this is a discussion channel so I decided that I will leave my opinions about the future changes to low-tier.
Please tell me your opinions
I consider great from WG to mind about noobs, but I don't think that removing depth of the game is a choice
rugged aurora
Did the Lowe armor get nerfed?
unique scaffold
Wot b adding t90c?
somber birch
panzer 38 mutz and t22 medium in test huh? well that could be nice 😘
fierce kernel
E100 turret armor will be buffed? now t57 heavy with 340 penetration can penetrate angled turret of E100
hidden merlin
lol
sharp bay
Gib M4A3E2 jumbo its 105 back
inner comet
That would be awesome, it does not need it but it would be a nice add on
torpid token
Give AMX ELC 90mm, will not be broken
inner goblet
lol
sharp bay
add AMX 13 F1 to tier 6, is really an AMX 13 75 but like a bulldog
neon falcon
Yo bushka is on lol
unique scaffold
To many fear need less of them
quasi hare
@hybrid spoke is unbalanced please nerf
strong depot
Balance this maybe?
quasi hare
Nu
strong depot
seems legit
inner goblet
@strong depot Is that a reverse sidescraping Bat Chat I see? Oh. 1625 dmg. Deathstar then?
unique scaffold
T95 needs more armor and speed.....(not happening)
strong depot
it's all about the angles 😆
quasi hare
Nerf bushka
inner goblet
lol
quasi hare
Tru
inner goblet
Nerf [PRAMO]
unique scaffold
@strong depot just jokeing I really want the real camo for the t95 I would pay 6k gold for it
strong depot
the "real" camo?
unique scaffold
@strong depot I got fat fingers leave me alone lmao
stone frigate
put a limit on how much gold ammo u can buy
sharp bay
so put a limit on this?
strong depot
😆 💯 👌 👌 🥑 🌶 😂 💥
unique scaffold
Non I mostly use AP and HE when I play t95
inner goblet
Oh shoot Bushka is in this Discord, I just noticed lol
stone frigate
if i was willing to pay having 60% wr would be no problem
thin condor
Buskas the best
sharp bay
wait I got more of gold ammo lul. put a limit on this
quasi hare
@thin condor bushka op
stone frigate
actually balance the mm
strong depot
yes
stone frigate
some games literally impossible to win because whole team decides to suicide and guess what they all have 40% wr
quasi hare
Play scavenger @stone frigate
sharp bay
@thin condor I had a sadder loss. 3.8k damage in T67 with 6 kills, died to AT 2
quasi hare
@thin condor damn life sux
thin condor
indigo tinsel
o
"balance" 😄
strong depot
fix the fact that T9 vehicles most of the time play in T10
sharp bay
BaLaNcEd
static frigate
Gravediggers are aggravating
quasi hare
Gravediggers gay
thin condor
First battle in it too but didn't get any more damage I got rushed by their med
hardy void
gravediggers are worthless when faced with the mighty tiger
quasi hare
Tiger nub
thin condor
Tiger is op.
indigo tinsel
not
tiger p is the real tiger
pulsar isle
Tire 6 don’t even pen it
quasi hare
Ok
hardy void
the tiger is very op
chrome sorrel
i need some help
sharp bay
@pulsar isle GC and ARL can
indigo tinsel
only the tiger P... the tiger succs unless youre good. its armour is useless
hardy void
tiger P is a failed tank
solar lark
Mediums and light tanks need to be buffed. Half of them can’t pen a thing, what do you guys think?
quasi hare
@indigo tinsel exactly
indigo tinsel
yes
@solar lark then you cant aim.
hardy void
wtf is it with this slowmode?
quasi hare
Its broken
thin condor
You want to talk about op try the crusader
chrome sorrel
can some 1 help me i have a acc that i cant not log on to
solar lark
Jokes on you, I can aim. Just that in close ranges.
sweet remnant
@chrome sorrel this is not a technical support
hardy void
valentine 2 is the op of op even hetzers have a hard time penning it
solar lark
The Scavenger’s armor is actually pretty decent.
thin condor
@hardy void Yeah I loved that little thing until my brother sold it
hardy void
hehehehe sell ur brother @thin condor
thin condor
@hardy void Wait can I trade him for a lowe
hardy void
depends
humble moss
lol
thin condor
I'll give him to bushka lol
scenic echo
@solar lark For tier 10 meds I agree kinda, their standard pens could need like 5mm and their premium pens like 10mm. Rest is fine.
inner goblet
Dear lord the Scavenger gets spammed in T5 wayyyyyyy too much
hardy void
give him to a shady man in the street that is looking for kidneys then u can buy yourself a dozen lowes @thin condor
indigo tinsel
duh it was free
thin condor
Hmm good idea but then my parents ts would probably put me up for adoption @hardy void
inner goblet
Tag Bushka u won't xD
hardy void
definitely worth it tho
thin condor
Yeah maybe bushka could adopt me lol
inner goblet
Aw, Bushka isn't online anymore
silent drum
Was he?
Devs you should add a tier 5 tiger in april fools ( it would be a troll with crazy armor and gun but super slow)
viral terrace
Hey I’m back
silent drum
And take it out like day after unless you bought it for like 5$
sharp bay
@thin condor you want to talk about OP, try tier 7
thin condor
Ok bulldog and bp
indigo tinsel
@unique scaffold Hello, i dont know if pinging you specifically is the right choice, but i wanted to adress this issue. i have had alot of instances in WoTB in the past couple months where i will shoot the side of enemy tanks (in the tracks too, obviously) in which i want to make a damaging shot, but even if i shoot RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the enemy tank, on surprisingly common occasions, my shot wont penetrate. Look at this shell i shot at that IS8 UNDER THE SIDE SKIRT with my Death star. That shot didnt penetrate, and instead only damaged the tracks to a yellow condition. The other picture shows me shooting the side of an E50M with my Maus and it not penetrating. the tracks literally eat the shot. i lost that kolobanovs medal becuase of this. This happens to me nearly once every single game. Could you adress this??? my theory is the tracks having so much hitpoints they can literally just eat even the highest damaging shots in the game, because of the not so new equipment system that allows you to equip 2 equipments that give your tracks more HP. that may not be the reason, maybe its something else, but it needs to be fixed. fast. one game i shot a T34 FLAT IN THE SIDE with my AMX CDC and the tracks just ate the shot, they both should have went straight into the hull but they didnt. if i payed more attention i could have hundreds of examples of this happening. i hope this post isnt too long.
thin condor
Tho I have not driven the bp
indigo tinsel
have you guys had this issue???
sharp bay
@thin condor T-43 can reverse side scrape, has DPM, comet has 12° GD, has DPM, Chi-Ri has GD autoloader with 8.9 sec reload and 1 sec delay between shots, has DPM, anything but 13 75 and Russian heavies
thin condor
Well those aren't as popular as bp and bulldog @sharp bay
viral terrace
Dang that actually sucks..I was gonna say that maybe you weren’t shooting the right place...but when I saw those pics I don’t kno what to say..you should be getting hundreds of damage for those shots. This hasn’t happened to me
sharp bay
that's a tier 6 @native siren, irrelevant
bulldog isn't popular tbh. and tier 7 is the most broken tier of the game @thin condor
thin condor
If u want to talk about op tanks, Fine but I beat a t-54 in my bulldog with over 300 hp left and that guy was not a bad player
sharp bay
I beat a VK 45.02 B in my LTTB lol
viral terrace
Hmmm t54 vs bulldog im pretty sure t54 wins but ok
indigo tinsel
thin condor
Lol @sharp bay that's easy just circle of death iy
indigo tinsel
you cant even give me the excuse that RNG hates me. these shots should be impossible to NOT pen
viral terrace
Yeah
sharp bay
@indigo tinsel actually it is possible to not damage a tank by shooting the tracks, it's specific tho so RNG does count.
@thin condor actually i didn't cod. I played stay away in LTTB.
thin condor
There is one sound that I just love to hear and that's the sound of a 183 bouncing
viral terrace
Yeah
spice quail
Hello
thin condor
It has the best sound for when it bounces off you
sharp bay
nah, bouncing a KV-2 HE round with a GC
thin condor
That just sounds like a he shell
sharp bay
a full 960 HE blocked in GC tho... idk how that worked but ok
viral terrace
I don’t think he aimed so he shot my gun
thin condor
Ok so I got is8 and a E100 rushed me and for some reason he kept shooting HE so I moved up on him so I could put my gun right in front of his, he then ended up killing himself
sharp bay
Scav howitzer needs an AP nurf, i got 2 ammo racks in one match with the howitzer
sleek pebble
i had once a bounced JGPZE100 shot in a grille :V
indigo tinsel
@sharp bay its not supposed tp be possible to not pen the side of an IS8 under the black hole spaced armour with a 183 mm gun.
it happens with light tanks too! i shot A T49 FLAT IN THE SIDE with my M41 90 and it did no damage. its supposed to be 100% chance of pen
thin condor
Actually @indigo tinsel the bottom hull of the is8 is madly angled so it is possible
And I learned that from bushka
indigo tinsel
no. just no. thats not how that works.
sharp bay
@indigo tinsel I bounced a 152 AP with the AMX 12 t's track, i don't see how it's impossible.
viral terrace
Maybe you just have a habit of aiming right at that place where it deflects..?
indigo tinsel
that should also be impossible because of overmatch! THERE IS NO PLACE WHERE IT JUST "DEFLECTS"!
sharp bay
cough cough, bottom wheels
viral terrace
Yeah
digital epoch
perhaps he shot at an angle with no hull hitbox behind the shell's trajectory, such that he destroys the track without hitting the hull, causing no damage.
indigo tinsel
like come on now! you guys cannot tell me that its possible for me to NOT PEN the FLAT side of an E50 M with a MAUS. i have 260 pen (CB.) he has like what, 80 side armour??? im supposed to pen 100% of the time but im not because WG make tracks have too much HP and now its making RNG total bs
viral terrace
True but u might be shooting top of track
fossil crag
Happens when you aim too low
indigo tinsel
i did NOT hit the bottom wheels, i hit the hull. same as always.
scenic echo
Solution: Don't play Maus, it's a terrible tank
fossil crag
Solution #2: Play E50M, it's a great tank
untold fiber
The side is accually angled it’s just the spaced amour u see
digital epoch
E 50 has spaced armor?!
indigo tinsel
lol. yeah play literally any tank even the BIGGEST GUN IN THE GAME and bounce off the side of light tanks. this isnt going to make me quit but its getting annoying
untold fiber
No not e50
indigo tinsel
do you guys really want me to screenshot every time this happens for you to believe me??
scenic echo
Chill
viral terrace
I believe you but u might just be shooting an unlucky place on the tank
scenic echo
WG didn't even implement overmatch and auto-bounce properly yet so it's farily possible to bounce of everything xd
thin condor
@indigo tinsel well whenever I used to drive vorsig I would always put my tracks to them for that reason
shy ether
Kv2 is very balanced
untold fiber
Yep
thin condor
It is really tho @shy ether
shy ether
Kv2 needs a bigger gun :)
thin condor
Yes like 244mm lol
scenic echo
Lol KV-2 is balanced by crippling gunstats, RNG is another tale to tell
indigo tinsel
@scenic echo nani? but the overmatch mechanics ARE in the game.
o hai spartacus. did you see my "tracks eating my should-have-penned shot" shenanigans?
just gonna type for a year...? okay den
lunar niche
Nothing more annoying than seeing a 17cm shell getting sucked in by a Russian med/Batchat tracks.
indigo tinsel
yeah i mean thats not supposed to happen but you know.
unique scaffold
KV-2 is a crutch tank that bad players depend on because it is the only way they can put down any damage in a game.
What's the matter Timmy? Oh you suck at Blitz and average 200 DMG at tier 6... Don't worry we have the tank for you. Just buy the KV-2, find the bush closest to spawn, and then pull that slot machine handle we call a fire button and one shot some poor schmuck on the other side of the map! Great job! Now reload, rinse, and repeat until you either get killed or your team drags your pathetic butt to victory.
@indigo tinsel I have not seen what you are speaking of.
shy ether
@unique scaffold good job you described the kv2
jovial kernel
Only it doesn't one shot :p
peak storm
I’m gonna miss my DW2 when they remove it -_-
shy ether
You forgot to mention the skill part instead of yoloing it
unique scaffold
Aim better
jovial kernel
"one shot someone on the other side of the map"
ivory flint
Is it just me or does it feel like Heavy tanks turn too fast now with the addition of fuel provisions and the "Improved control" equipment? Its not hard to get an IS5 to roughly 40° degrees of hull traverse using both varieties of fuel provisions and imorovec control. In a light or fast medium tank you can still get around the hull nust fine. But now even on hard, flat terrain something like my Crule Twist with 72° of hull traverse cant run around most tier 8 heavies fast enough to avoid their gun. And now I feel like heavies in general aren't getting punished for going out in the open like they should. By being smart, you usted to be able to 1v1 a heavy in a light provided they didnt have cover or help. And now you kinda can't. Not to mention heavies benefit the most from "Enhanced Armor" (and by the most I mean gaining more than a measly 1 or 2 millimeters from it) while also being mostly un-circle-able. Seems kinda unfair to me. Just a thought
modern fern
circle fster
jovial kernel
The KV-2 actively forces you to play at closer ranges where you can actually hit stuff
unique scaffold
I stand by what I wrote. The KV-2 is a crutch tank that makes 40%ers feel like they actually contribute to a match.
If your most played tank is the KV-2 (or the 183) your device should automatically delete your account, kick you in the nads, and then self destruct.
lunar niche
@ivory flint Enhanced Armour was nerfed to 4% from 5%. Besides, WG buffed the CS for HEAT/HE. Almost all the meds use HEAT.
indigo tinsel
not true but k
thin condor
@unique scaffold In a kv2 you don't aim you pray to Stalin to guide your shell
jovial kernel
Cool, my most played tank is not the KV-2
viral terrace
True
modern fern
...
jovial kernel
The KV-2 isn't a one shot machine, it's just guaranteed 350 damage every 22 seconds
thin condor
And if Stalin doesn't like your prayer you'll miss and get reckt by lights the end
ivory flint
@lunar niche doesn't solve the issue of not being able to circle them... That's how you win 1v1's at the end if a game in a light when there's no teammates to distract them for you.
modern fern
my most played tank is the locust
rip my avg dmg
viral terrace
If you miss u wait for 24 sec and hopefully have sights on
thin condor
24 seonds mines at 21
jovial kernel
So if you look at the KV-2, in about 90% of matches it becomes a worse KV-1S
viral terrace
Yeah you do t6 tourneys and all you see is kv1s and arl44
thin condor
Well no bc kv2 can say bye bye to the kv1s with one shell
jovial kernel
Only a KV-1S that sits still or shows it's flanks
indigo tinsel
my most played tank is The M48 patton, for a while it was my only tier 10 and i used it to grind event XP for a while so i just spammed it over and over again
viral terrace
Yeah but Kv1s and arl44 is all you see in a t6 tourney
lunar niche
@ivory flint the equipment does help the heavies in hull traverse. I run double fuel and improved control on Maus, when i got the E75 (100% crew with no equipments), it felt kinda slow on hull rotation. When i got the equipment on it, it felt faster.
thin condor
@jovial kernel nah just aim for lower glacis
jovial kernel
The KV-1S has more gun depression, more practical DPM, more mobility, and faster reload than the KV-2
thin condor
But the kv1s doesn't give the laugter affect like the kv2
ivory flint
@lunar niche its the Maus....... Duh it's gonna be slow. Its a "super heavy tank" I'm talking about non goliath heavies. The Maus and E100 are kinda exceptions because they're so massive they're the extremes.
jovial kernel
The laughs don't make the KV-2 op tho
Stat wise, the KV-1S blows the KV-2 out of the water because a KV-2 is never hitting the lower plate of a moving or hull down KV-1S
I've pointed this out on the forums too, the KV-2 is just so unreliable that it can't be op
modern fern
but it is
heady laurel
@unique scaffold You wont believe it.
My device deleted Blitz and then kicked me in the nuts.
Guess ill stay calm, reinstall, and play the T62a. I was a 183 jagoff. I wont play it anymore.
viral terrace
Dude u get the obj 140 but ok
lunar niche
@ivory flint Did say E75 lol. E75 without improved control felt sluggish. When i got the equipment, it felt smother to turn the hull.
I can't really tell the difference on other heavies like FV215b/Chieftain as they already have better traverse.
unique scaffold
I didn't say it was OP. I said it was a RNG slot machine that bad players flock to because it's the only way they can cause damage.
jovial kernel
Cool, I'll laugh when they miss every shot and do 0 damage
ivory flint
@lunar niche you mentioned the Maus as well I ignored the E75 because stock tanks are kinda irrelevant in this discussion. It's not the tanks that are OP its the equipment setups (well at least in my opinion)
jovial kernel
Which I've seen quite often.
heady laurel
I can't believe the KV-1 isnt in the most OP tank discussion. I believe the selection of guns with a angled "bounce house" armor makes this the best for many differnt style choices. The turret traverse is crap though.
lunar niche
@ivory flint I said 100% crew E75 but without equipments. You probably ignored the rest due to Maus.
jovial kernel
There are many other tanks that can stat pad better like the KV-1S for example
ivory flint
@lunar niche I saw the 100% crew. But as the crew isn't the issue. Also I consider any tank with out full equipment stock.
scenic echo
@indigo tinsel Overmatch never works properly
lunar niche
@ivory flint Then u got your answer. They turn faster.
quaint talon
Hi Amigos
ivory flint
@lunar niche well duh of coure an equioed tank will turn faster n stuff. But I'm asking the question if they turn too fast thus negating the Circle of Death tactic and to a certain extent negate the high skill cap of light tanks and faster and more lightly armored medium tanks by simply taking away the means by which they deal with larger more heavily armored tanks in a 1v1.
@lunar niche ive noticed that since 3.8 and the inclusion of fuel provisions ive noticed that its nearly impossible to circle most heavies with out having their gun continue to be pointed directly at you. There are some exceptions but even this nes grave digger tank csnt be circled to maximum effectiveness because it'll turn fast enough to keep its gun pointed at you.
lunar niche
@ivory flint track, thats how i get rekt by meds.
@ivory flint i just side hug them and go back and forth to evade their guns. But 1 vs 1 is difficult with more and more mobile heavies with fast turret traverse.
ivory flint
@lunar niche but in lights the pen is so low and your gun is so in accurate, that tracking heavies often takes multiple shots meaning you're waisting DPM. Usually you sinknone into the drive wheel the track doesnt break and the tank doesn't rske any damage you shoot it again and then it breaks. And when you do break it they have multiple repair kits.....
heady laurel
One of the fastest turret traverse is the 215b.
Thats what we use in practice for CoD in training rooms vs medium tanks
That and Joseph Stallon named tanks
coarse meteor
oh
ivory flint
You usted to be able to circle heavies that were alone with no cover just fine.
Effectively punishing them for bad positioning and using the strengths of your tank to your advantage: something the game should reward you for.
But now heavies actually have working benefits from enhanced armor. If you only get one millimeter of extra armor baised off the 4% if the 25mm if armor you've got from the equipment why run it right? Where as when you've got 160mm of frontalement armor you actually get 6.4mm of extra armor which combined with angling can make your armor super thicc with out adding extea weight to the tank.
While also getting the same 10% bonus to hull traverse from Improved Control and the same 3% and 10% bonus to both turret traverse and engine power (more engine power means more traverse) that lights and meds get.
The 3.8 equipment system which I've nick-named "9-Slot" caters to heavies by letting them combat their greatest weakness while enhancing their greatest strength: Something that no other class of tank gets. I dont see lights running both Coated Optics and Camouflage Net. Do you?
And now you can't circle heavies with out sacrificing DPM by wasting 2-3 shots in tracking them. You can't pen them with out sacrificing DPM by choosing Calibrated Shells over Gun Rammer, and in a 1v1 unless you've got the hitpoint advantage you cant really deal with them unless you take cross map potshots at them for ages and hope you don't run out the timer.
wanton oyster
WG, i definitely know that it takes time and a LOT of players want this change, but when will you add bigger maps and 10v10? It will really improve the gameplay. I am typing out a buff sheet which me and a couple of my friends will send to you guys in a ticket. @WARGAMING
hopefully you will read it
ivory flint
I don't need 10v10 though bigger maps would be nice.... And maybe a new game mode. Assault mode from PC sounds cool
jovial kernel
I think 9v9 with maps upscaled by 30% would be a big gameplay improvement
mint rover
I agree with @ivory flint
modern fern
Stug ROF got nerfed in 5.5?
hasty juniper
everything low tier's dpm is getting butchered
modern fern
Well low tier kinda had a stupid dpm
hasty juniper
if u think Blitz low tier was stupid. PC low tier is a place where people have 100-200 hp and like 1k dpm or more
modern fern
I would still like to have ability to permatrack with my stug
hasty juniper
sealclubbing alert i c
vivid torrent
Is there an official release date yet for 5.5?
modern fern
I dont have any t5 prem
hasty juniper
lol
unique scaffold
Sad to hear
ionic sparrow
Hey are you know some bonus code?
small sorrel
defender is gona to be sold?
ionic sparrow
I know one...
twilit crystal
i think 9v9 would work in certain maps
inner gorge
Uhhhhhhhh
flat bane
10v10
quick lichen
Technically in 5.5 those tanks are collector tanks and those can be nerfed
¯_(ツ)_/¯
inner gorge
Can I ask you why RNG hates me?
flat bane
Ur not pro
quick lichen
It doesn’t. Negativity bias is what you’re experiencing
@gleaming light I’m serious. Sell them for gold if you don’t like it
Just wait until 5.5
inner gorge
Well I can’t get kills and my is 3 is broken
flat bane
Wz 111 needs better side armor pl0x
inner gorge
The lupus needs to be nerfed
quick lichen
Lupus is strong. Nameless is a better tank though
upbeat plover
Oh man fighting the lupus feels so frustrating
flat bane
Ikr
quick lichen
Just don’t fight on a ridgeline
inner gorge
Hmmm lemme think I ammo racked lupus with t49 and the person with the lupus raged so I think it’s op and good at the same time
upbeat plover
Nothing like a glowing red weeb tank to ruin your day, it'll shut down my tiger(p) on an open field no issue
quick lichen
@gleaming light you don’t have to play the game bud
Try earning an IS-6 Fearless and watch it get sold to people who didn’t earn it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
upbeat plover
On that note, tiger(p) is godlike at the tier, idk why you don't see them more often
inner gorge
Btw the aiming thing is broken for me I aim and it goes the opposite way
Fix that pls
quick lichen
I get your point. You bought a premium tank. Sell it for gold and buy a different tank
The classification is changing and it allows wg to justify nerfing it
I don’t work for wg and it isn’t my decision
unique scaffold
You can earn a ton of gold in the next update. It’s kinda ridiculous... I’m still unsure if they should remove so many tanks though.
quick lichen
No one is forcing you to play this game ¯_(ツ)_/¯
upbeat plover
@gleaming light its wargamings prerogative to adjust the balance of their game as they see fit though, and is justified especially cause the whole tier it's in is going through a rework in the update
I hadn't looked into the specific changes, I thought tanks were getting nerfed and top guns removed across the board?
If premiums are escaping the nerf, I have more problem with that than if premiums get nerfed alongside everything else tbh
A universal nerf is more of a rebalance, which is its own beast
limpid elm
Type 62 too thanks. Lol
potent abyss
Is it true they’re gonna nerf the daylights out of my beloved Ke Ni Otsu?
upbeat plover
Drac and he'll sing should escape the nerf tho, they're in tiers that aren't being reworked
elfin cobalt
Nah mate the Ke Ni Otsu is safe
limpid elm
Ask devs
upbeat plover
If everything is nerfed, nothing is, that's the point of a rework. What really sucks is the tanks being essentially removed from the game
IMHO the tech tree rework is gonna sting way more than anything they do to the low tier gameplay
unique scaffold
To be honest, I think WG will just seem the low tiers as premiums later down the line.
upbeat plover
@gleaming light IMHO that speaks more to the balance of the rework than anything else
unique scaffold
I wish that tier10 tank destroyer on British tech gets nerfed 😅
upbeat plover
Tbqh I think it might have be interesting if the premiums were slightly worse than tech tree tanks, but had even bigger credit coefficients
limpid elm
I want tanks with better free experience in the game! I can research tanks faster that way. Pls! WG!
arctic iris
What's this business I hear the M4 is on the chopping block?!
WTH would anybody get rid of the most over produced tank of wwII?
😶
🙄
fossil crag
Can always not play anything below Tier 7, I mean, Tier 9 is fun.
potent abyss
2 things
1: Does anyone know the extent of the Ke No Otsu’s nerfing?
2. Is the M4 being removed?
arctic iris
Haven't bought into tier 9 cause I'm so damn busy trying to lvl up all my tanks that I have already..
potent abyss
Ok
drifting kayak
make meds gr8 again
sullen vault
1.currently stated its getting an alpha nerf
2.i forgot @potent abyss
potent abyss
My poor little otsu
arctic iris
So the M4 will be nerf
sullen vault
but most likely its not although the m3 lee is getting nerfed,also kenni will still be as broken since the lower tiers are getting nerfed aswell
there is tons of videos u can find info from,also i meant m3 lee being removed*
arctic iris
I don't like it. The M3 Lee is another HISTORICAL TANK; removing it will get me upset. Why? For what reason would that be done? It's a staple tank one a person looks forward to having when starting the game..
quaint talon
Are you ready for tech tree massacre!!!??? ;-; muahahah
arctic iris
That war hammer game is gonna win if thier not careful
sullen vault
its not getting removed from the game.
arctic iris
Excuse me WAR THUNDER
Damn good game.
Air planes, Warships wth subs, and tanks wth artillery. All on same map. Absolute craziest game.. ..that's true. And German bias as well. They don't have the armor dwn like WOT
quaint talon
@gleaming light Good Amigo me too I have almost all 250 tanks 😃
arctic iris
Out
tight rock
Fv2404 gun mantle? Would be sweet
potent abyss
War Thunder>World of Tanks
I do love Blitz when I’m traveling though
arctic iris
@talhaONE: I agree but what a GREAT concept..! WOT should move in that direction.
Bring all thier WO together for large realistic full battles. Even if they started with 3 maps it'd be TRULY AMAZING AND AWESOME.
lyric kestrel
Hello I’m new new to discord and i play world of tank on my phone is there anyone on
carmine stone
Hi
small flame
nope no one is online
carmine stone
Rip
regal abyss
When are yall going to fix stat padding. Every 5k battles stats get reset or afk for so long should be dealt with ?
small flame
ooooh T-70/57
near topaz
bruh
potent abyss
Oooooooooh I want it
mild kindle
uhhh its not really stat padding if there is only 13 games in it
mild kindle
urm
languid bronze
lol
drifting wharf
Hi
mild kindle
the gravedigger in its current state is already really broken, it has a really well angled upper plate, the gun is accurate, for 540 burst damage 10s reload is vv short. the only thing really bad about the grave digger is its pen. you buff the pen, the gravedigger would no doubt be one of the most, if not the most op tank ever. its like a ke ni otsu with actual good armour
@junior compass
sour halo
I am interested in fixing the matchmaking!!!! Why can’t there be an algorithm that combines # of battles, WR, and average damage and spit out a number for someone......then matchmaker like in ratings battles? WHO CARES if there is a platoon on one side and not the other? It really doesn’t matter! Make the teams FAIR.
drifting wharf
True true
quick lichen
@mild kindle just aim low
mild kindle
ik. the lp is rly small still tho
buoyant venture
How to voice chat in the game?
mild kindle
there is no ingame voice chat
buoyant venture
But let me show you what they promised...!!
mild kindle
?????
buoyant venture
See the point 2nd from bottom.
They said use the voice chat during the game?????
You there?
buoyant venture
But i need voice chat.like pubg or cod
sour halo
They are voice channels
stone carbon
I think he means in game
sour halo
Oh, as in your whole team? That would be hard with changing every game
stone carbon
@sour halo Agree
hybrid root
it would b like fortnite
sour halo
Fort what?
hybrid root
really?
sour halo
:-l
hybrid root
fortnite is argubaly one of the most played games at the moments
sour halo
No shit
hybrid root
then why do you say fort what
buoyant venture
And a bigger platoon or squadron..where you can add 4 or more friends and also voice chat in tha game.
gentle isle
@buoyant venture that will be terribly broken
unique scaffold
Voice chat wold be rly nice
mild kindle
yea but we have to settle with discord for now
buoyant venture
Hmmmmm but ingame voice chat..will be a luxury... You know nowdays tanks talk to each other via wireless Radio Transmitter...not that beep..lol
I don't mean that I don't like morse code.
mild kindle
??
spark star
nerf Helsing
inner goblet
Yes please
old hound
The Gravedigger is quite annoying
steel vault
Gravedigger is little rush with autoloader
junior compass
Also is it just me or do i always get matched with tier 8 heavies i cant pen?
soft rune
Hello
spark star
Helsing needs to be nerfed ASAP
plucky onyx
Any Reasoning as to why?
bold dagger
can't really Helsing as its a Premium lol
spark star
uh its basically an IS except better in every single way?
400 alpha, .32 dispersion, nice front plate and really good speed
doesnt lose out on DPM, doesnt lose out on speed, if anything really its only balancing factor is the traverse and thats it
spark star
of course people are defending their op tanks typical
its dumb and its overpowered
uneven wren
Dont worry they will never nerf a premium tank
spark star
@plucky onyx @plucky onyx
is it balanced yet hmmmmm?
plucky onyx
I was just curious as to your reasoning
spark star
alright, alright...
I have a lot of choice words for the people who sell out and buy this along with the people who bought the Lupus
wraith ice
Oh I suck against this tank, please nerf it
plucky onyx
Not going to lie, helsing is more of a heavy than a TD, And I don't own it
spark star
@wraith ice oh look I am a Helsing driver who doesnt know the meaning of fair and balanced
wraith ice
Hey I don’t have it
I personally hate it, that’s why I find out how to play against it
uneven wren
Hesling armour, especialy turret, is so trollish...
wraith ice
Now that they selling it, you’ll see it for 3 months, get used to it
spark star
uh u dont
u avoid it
the driver has to completely suck in order to die in one of these
its basically what the IS wishes it is
wraith ice
Not an impossible tank man, you probably one of those guys that complain about enemy using premium rounds...
uneven wren
KempBushGoldNub
spark star
but the Helsing is look at me Im a helsing go die
if youre driving a tier 6 heavy youre basically dead
and equal tier 7 heavies have to respect the thing
whats the point of driving against something you cant outrun, outtrade or outarmor?
bring this thing to collector status, nerf the speed and dpm, give it .35
radiant kelp
Who says helsing is op when the Dracula is as well?
spark star
both tanks are stupid period
burnt lava
The Drac is more balanced, it has not much armour
unique scaffold
@wraith ice premium rounds are game breaker especially when you’re heavily armored and your big advantage just become useless
spark star
^this
I often get mad at prem spammers when Im driving something like the T-150 since armor really is my only advantage against tanks
unique scaffold
@burnt lava same weight as AMX CDC, twice the size so OP ramming ability, with super acceleration and terrain resistance. Also has sideshields so KV-2 can’t derp it (unless it stupidly show its rear) and too much HP for such a tank
spark star
@burnt lava lmao more balanced
unique scaffold
Don’t forget the ultra-fast track repair so u can’t immobilize it
burnt lava
The Helsing has troll af armor, great dpm, and is fast. The Drac is fast and has a decent gun. Helsing is slightly better
unique scaffold
Drac is still OP
I’d say that the Hell-thing is more 0 IQ-friendly
spark star
eh eh just perma track it YuuRo Nub
eeeh just do this just do that just use HE
are you sure about that?
you cant do that in every situation
both tanks are stupid imho
and youre a sellout if you bought crates
unique scaffold
@spark star I said that you can’t perma-track the Drac
spark star
yeah because nothing has a reload of less than two seconds @unique scaffold
burnt lava
I never said the Drac isn't op, but imo (I don't have either of them) I think the Drac isn't quite as good. I'd rather face a Drac than a Helsing
spark star
now to tanks that desperately needs a buff
Oh hello T28 tier 8 American TD
horrific speed, horrific armor profile, zero gun depression, joke gun traverse
amazing tank honestly
steep surge
lupus op af
tankenstien suck as hell, low dpm on both guns
good if u played on high tier, but most of time u sit on lower tier agains IS series..
jovial kernel
Lupus can't hit anything above it tho lol Helsing has no disadvantages at all
steep surge
for this, i vote tankenstein is the worst premium tank
unique scaffold
hi all
jovial kernel
Tankenstein is one of the better premiums
Panther/M10 is the worse premium
vapid isle
How do I properly use it
steep surge
ok 2 votes now
unique scaffold
and what about scavenger?
steep surge
scavenget aint premium
vapid isle
It's collectable
sleek vault
Worst premium eh? I did say FCM/PaK tier 3
vapid isle
Tired gn
unique scaffold
@steep surge so we talk about premium only? 😃
novel plank
Look at my Helsing stats (EU) "GipsyDanger_____Uprising"
sharp bay
give T49 standard HE
fossil crag
You play Dracula and balance the Helsing. 😉
sharp bay
@native siren with 53 HE pen? not OP enough
it's Russian, but it's WG we're talking about, so it can have like 53-60 pen value
sinful moth
mod 1 need better pen
somber mauve
You need better aim @sinful moth
lone moth
which is better 112 or is6?
somber mauve
Both have their own things but IMO 112 is better now
simple vault
Scavanger and Grvedigger are ruing WOT blitz game!!!
minor sky
Scavenger is nicely balanced
void edge
Scavenger is alright
minor sky
gravedigger can’t say much yet
warm surge
lel pp poopoo
earnest hollow
pseudo grail
Gravedigger is overused,change my mind
hardy void
scavenger is more overused, change my mind
wg should nerf the soviet vehicles..... especially the is line
misty yacht
Hi
sick salmon
@hardy void no
hardy void
@sick salmon why not?
hollow crescent
elo fellow tenkers
stray rock
Hi @hollow crescent
sick salmon
The is line is good so why you want nerf them
wintry zinc
The Is tanks do have derp guns...
hardy void
their armor op and gun is super stronk
hollow crescent
what tank ?
sick salmon
But long reload and you can shoot thruth the Front of all of them
hollow crescent
whattt tankkk ?
sick salmon
The is line
hardy void
the is line represents the "russian bias" very clearly excluding the kv2
unique scaffold
Kv2 is a lot more of derp tho 😂 best snapshot tank ever tho 👌
Hey Talha
@gleaming light check #screenshots
It’s been a long time
Why is the slowmode so LONG in here ???
Dude I remember talking to u like 5 months ago
coarse harness
Cause its ,,chat with devs", but now just chat with others😒
iron hearth
What do you think about a new buff for the type 59
earnest hollow
prime oracle
Tankenstein needs a fcking buff
unique scaffold
The reload is too long that's true
wanton apex
But the gun from kv4 is balanced dont play that derp
prime oracle
It is not then you just have sht dpm on both
void patrol
FV215b 183 needs a reload speed buff and shell capacity buff to 120 shells and 10-shot autoloader, .5s in between. 5 second reload for full clip. Change my mind.
eager ridge
Maus needs moar armor
unique scaffold
@void patrol only noobs would say that cause they cant play with the tank like it is in the game
void patrol
r/whoosh
eager ridge
Hey question is when will they add the modern tenks???
void patrol
@eager ridge that MBT announcement WG had was an April Fools joke
unique scaffold
i think WZ-121 needs more pen on HEAT rounds. The HEAT isnt really usefull and it has the worst HEAT pen from any T10 med.
eager ridge
Fricc
void patrol
No M1 Abrams for you fam, or a Armata T-14
eager ridge
What about PC?
void patrol
@eager ridge Nope. The entire thing was a joke to begin with. Only WT/Gaijin Entertainment went forward with the idea in their game to make it real.
eager ridge
how could this happen to me ive Made my mistakes got nowhere to run the night goes on as
void patrol
🤔
eager ridge
Im fading away
void patrol
@eager ridge #blitz-memes
eager ridge
this is so sad can we hit 50 derp shots???
vocal cliff
hi
lapis robin
hi all
dusky void
Hi
void patrol
Bye
plush umbra
Magic
void patrol
@gleaming light which part bounced the shot? Hull or turret?
lapis robin
Every body subscribe my channel name is Pro_Blitz_Gamer
void patrol
@lapis robin Nein
plush umbra
But that isn’t “BaLaNcE”
void patrol
@gleaming light in WT, angling is far more effective cos they don’t that angular correction of shots like WoT does. So the upper plate of the hull of the T34 will be much more effective at blocking damage
somber birch
t34 and Hull armor are not compatible words 🤔
void patrol
@gleaming light https://youtu.be/UFktFSJZPsQ watch this vid and this other one https://youtu.be/dmTTc4cikkc
visual estuary
You are unrealistic
void patrol
Actually WT penetration mechanics are far more realistic than that of WoT and WoT blitz @gleaming light
visual estuary
NOOB
urban owl
Russian tanks defy space and time in WT
visual estuary
Because war thunder is more realistic than wot. Wot must be a bit unrealistic
void patrol
@gleaming light Russian tanks have always been memes.
@gleaming light Actually, your last line is wrong. Angular correction of shells means that your shells are “tumbling” in midair and keyholing into your target, meaning they have insufficient energy to surpass the sound barrier. All shells (excluding derps) are supersonic, and should not be “tumbling” during flight
unique scaffold
New Rule for Heavy Tanks: do not move. You have no tracks and no mobility. Dont move just stand there and be useless.
oh wait this rule already applies to 60% of all heavy players....
eager ridge
Is the matchmaker the communist party??🤔🤔🤔
unique scaffold
@gleaming light that was not referring to anything i tried to start new topic
void patrol
@unique scaffold the new rule should be how Leopards( VK 16.02) should be sniping with their 3cm MKs
unique scaffold
@gleaming light it has, DPM of every tank should get nerfed purely because so many players do not know how to use the tank so any enemy can kill them in an instant. see if we have a unexpierienced E100 just camps and any T10 med comes round the corner, theyre dead, no chance at all
@void patrol thatsa already a rule
@gleaming light the only good tanks nowadays are IS-7, IS-4, WZ-113 and the russian/chinese meds and TDs. this is a fact and you cant change my mind about that. E100 is underpowered cause the Gun is not what everyone wants and the armor is.... not too effective
@gleaming light i want gun with good pen and good dpm. not peek a boom with heavy, thats xactly NOT how you play heavys: shoot and run off. Maus is good heavy cause good DPM. Maus is Way better considered its turret is stronger and the whole concept has many advantages, tell me one pro player who has better stats on E100 than on Maus. And dont you dare to say Leo is bad tank cause it has no armor, its one of the best if not the best 105mm T10 meds
and? Maus can use it way more effective than E100
pine crag
Salut vous me conseiller quoi comme tank
unique scaffold
@gleaming light but on E100 this gun wont fit as on maus.
urban owl
Well, the armor of E100 truly is not that effective anymore, and the gun is hella inaccurate when it comes to medium to long range, and is also a little hard to use.
little echo
right
unique scaffold
@urban owl finally one who understands me. @gleaming light and if you still sayLeo is bad tank then i cant help you
urban owl
I own a E100 in blitz, and uses it alot. Even IS 7 will beat it easily. Don’t tell me that i don’t know how to use it because i have above 2500 average damage there.
unique scaffold
even WZ-121 beats E100 very fast
little echo
he any one grill15?
urban owl
Yes, i have, Shaikh.
little echo
good tank o bad
urban owl
Players learn how to penetrate with standard ammo overtime, @gleaming light . Also grille is a good tank.
little echo
i have grill bit all matchis desteoy esy
unique scaffold
@little echo yeeep and its fun to play 😄 get it, its worth it but you wont use it in CW that often cause no armor. @gleaming light lower plate, turret ring and range finders still are eZ pen. aswell i use HEAT when i want to. so nobody with good armor stands a chance.
little echo
yes
urban owl
Even maus doesn’t have to use premium ammo to beat E100, meanwhile E100 has to spam prem.
violet crypt
But even in some tier ten tank destroyers you can’t pen the turrent front if it’s turned to 20-30 degrees. And the upper hull armor is impenetrable period
little echo
i got 4 or 5 days jg e100
urban owl
Face hugging isn’t for E100, especially when you fight a tank with over 270 standard ammo penetration. I even BEAT a E100 with my E75 both of us spamming premium ammo while face hugging.
unique scaffold
@gleaming light and if you side scrape what then? oh ik i use HE caause i know how to hit with HE to rekt E100 plus... E100 weak spots are eZ to find
violet crypt
But it’s not like it’s reliable
unique scaffold
i can circle E100 and deal 1200 while he does nothing at all.
urban owl
You can wait for the E100 to peak so you can hit it’s turret and hide.
unique scaffold
@gleaming light it is actually not that hard to hit range finders on e100
violet crypt
If the E100 keeps moving then the weak spots will move too if he’s sidescraping. But you have to include his allies damage
little echo
e 100 and rhm same only e100 armared and rhm without armer
violet crypt
With what gun
urban owl
With 150+ mm gun, you can deal 400+ damage to e100 when he’s side scraping. I have alot of experience in E100 and i can tell it’s side is fragile to HE.
little echo
any one tell what tank good in germen
unique scaffold
@violet crypt u asking me?
violet crypt
with my jg I still can’t pen a sidescraping E100 unless he doesn’t angle his turrent
little echo
sorry my bad english
urban owl
Yes because of it’s funny gun, especially in close range, just in close range. Anymore than that and it’s bad.
violet crypt
@unique scaffold yes
sullen vault
@little echo depends on ur playstyle but rn e50m seems to be very fun espeically in mad games
steel vault
@little echohehe I'm also poor in english
unique scaffold
@violet crypt well I play mediums and heavys like maus, fv, e5....
urban owl
No one? Are you joking? I see alot of Fv215bs in Asia server.
unique scaffold
@gleaming light back in my days i was abled to kill E100 alone with T54 mod 1 and now i can do that in fail platoon with T-34-3 so.... well differences
@gleaming light I am playing with 215b and it is great. My favourite tank
sullen vault
215b takes skill to play and doesnt cater to casuals
little echo
bay all
urban owl
Even IS-7 won’t even have to get damaged when 1v1 with a Maus or E100.
That is, if you are stupid enough not to rush on it’s side, so you won’t be able to get hit.
unique scaffold
@gleaming light E100 is only popular cause of Tiger 1 and 2 and big gun and "good" armor. but better players will rape the E100 like it would be grille 15
Np
People like tanks with big guns. That is why everyone plays tds...
@gleaming light well Löwe got stronger but not everyone pays for better "researchable" tank plus Tiger 2 still looks way better than löwe ever did
urban owl
@gleaming light it’s the same when IS-7 is hull down and maus is trying to pen. They can’t pen each other when they do their trick.
If you don’t know how to find a weakspot, then that is your problem on why you can’t penetrate a Maus with IS-7. Make a super flat ground without any obstacle and let an IS-7 and Maus fight 1v1. Even IS-7 will not have any problem.
teal needle
Ive just got maus recently and having trouble against e100’s can’t pen them
urban owl
I have 1,100,000+ Battle experience on IS-7, you just don’t know how to use it’s gun.
unique scaffold
@teal needle wait until they shot and use APCR
i have about 1m ep on WZ-121 so that aside E100 is no big deal for me at all xD
fathom gulch
Buff Rhm please its so lame after last nerf
teal needle
Ok thx
urban owl
Terrible traverse speed? How? I already did kill alot of Maus without any trouble at all.
wicked forum
is the 113 comparable to a russian heavy? I know the other tanks in that line are
unique scaffold
maus has better turret cause not 100% of the cheeks are pen plus the cheeks are smaller than E100. but if you want a real good tank, use 113, this is a tank with class
urban owl
If you wanna kill a Maus, detrack it then go flank to it’s side. It’s acceleration, traverse speed and top speed is enough to flank it. I have fought ppl with Maus that has 55%+ winrate and 250+ battle in Maus. I can say they are great, but i still can kill them.
Detrack it, twice.
unique scaffold
@wicked forum yep it is cause it has the same trollish armor and its playstile is quite similar
thin condor
Toolbox so very limited time
wicked forum
the IS-8 is so underrated
unique scaffold
@gleaming light one T57 heavy clip in the side and Maus Burns down. i did that every game in T57 and it still works
urban owl
You have many more shells to detrack a Maus more than 2 times.
Huh, like are you really sure Maus could pen IS-7 that easily? Detrack him Thrice then go rush to it’s side, then kill it without any problems, since he can’t hit you when you stick to it’s side.
Tell me, do you even have IS-7 and Maus to compare them? I own both but in different accounts.
sullen vault
Is7 doesnt neccesarily need to rush a maus in terms of 1v1.set a distance,be hulldown and aim.if he rushes u,juke him and you pretty much won 100% of the time if ur not trash
unique scaffold
Fv215b 183 nerf pls
sullen vault
You shouldnt be tracking him from a distance,should be upclose.once u track him once,u have the advantage of speed.
urban owl
It isn’t based on Winrate, it’s how you play it. Everything isn’t based in winrate. Winrate is not everything on Blitz.
chrome salmon
Lol, maus is easy kill, if he angles he cant shoot you, if he shoots you, you have easy pen into cheeks
coarse harness
You forgot it's a team game, 1v1 means nothing😬
sullen vault
Doesnt matter if he repairs,u have 4sec for u to do something
Use ur mobility as a full advantage,i dont know how harder it is to understand this.
chrome salmon
Is4 is the only tier X that needs nerfing atm (maybe e5)
coarse harness
IS-4 is OK
chrome salmon
@gleaming light obviously, but you were discussing 1vq
urban owl
Like what savagegeddon said, use IS-7’s mobility as it’s full advantage because it can outrun Maus’ turret and flank it.
chrome salmon
Just sidehug him
urban owl
That’s what i was telling earlier.
sullen vault
Doubt and the fact its pubs and also they might not even be good playets
urban owl
Because all other heavy tanks are rather sluggish or slower than IS-7. Who else has 50 kmph besides Amx 50 B, 113, and IS-7?
coarse harness
A good player will pen the maus 10/9 no matter what
chrome salmon
Not true, but a good player wont shoot it if its heavily angled and just shoots something else
chrome salmon
@gleaming light you can jusjust sidehug the maus with anything with a good turret and you got him
sullen vault
Traverse speed=speed/mobility.
unique scaffold
Chciał bym z kimś pograć halo polaki?
chrome salmon
You dont need good traverse to sidehug and everything has better traverse then maus
unique scaffold
Dobra elo nie ma z kim gadać
chrome salmon
Cod=/sidehug
Yea its pretty easy actually, since it stil has better traverse then maus
Idk wtf are you trying to prove here, maus is perfectly balanced atm
I have more problems penning is4s then mauses
coarse harness
Not extremely, just not a big deal😬
chrome salmon
For me it is very easy kill unless its driven by a superunicum
viral terrace
Yeah I have more troubles penning is4
urban owl
It is, when you know how to. Maus isn’t impenetrable.
coarse harness
RIP @gleaming light
viral terrace
Yeah u see more is7
urban owl
Give a link. Alot actually prefer IS-7 than Maus, because it’s better.
coarse harness
urban owl
Because Maus is basically a free-hit big target for TDs, unlike IS-7, which has small hull and turret, stronger turret, fast mobility, and good traverse speed. How is that bad when it has 30+ degrees of traverse speed.
viral terrace
Maus takes a long time to get up to speed too and it’s still slow
iron meteor
Really gravedigger get nerf
urban owl
And because IS-7 has lower overall winrate, it’s because alot of ppl don’t know how to play it, and alot of people play it, meanwhile Maus is a little rare.
void patrol
@gleaming light don’t forget that many are recommended to grind for the IS-7 first as its the most noob-friendly line. Because of that, many have IS-7s as their first Tier X while still not knowing tricks like sidescraping or angling
urban owl
Get 2 professional players that has IS-7 and Maus that has alot of experience in it and ask them which is better. Also, Maus can’t achieve 24 traverse speed without upgrade and full provision.
That is, when you don’t know how to, properly.
viral terrace
@gleaming light 2 pro players with maus and is7...you need to kno the is7 will win
void patrol
@gleaming light being noob-friendly means more inexperienced players play the tank, lose in the tank cos they don’t know the game mechanics, and bring down the winrate
urban owl
Maus is defensive, and IS-7 is offensive, if you even try to compare both in real life, there is no chance of Maus winning.
unique scaffold
Maus can’t basically play without team because it’s a support tank, with very good armor and HP, but low pen and low fire rate gun
viral terrace
While is7 is just an attack...maus vs is7 is7 wins..easy
urban owl
That’s why it’s better.
void patrol
@gleaming light @unique scaffold @urban owl think we should bring this convo to #vehicles-discussion
unique scaffold
@void patrol if ppl follow Let’s go
viral terrace
Maus is an easy target...it’s very big and for a td just an easy kill
buoyant gull
Maus is not easy to kill, especially in pro hands. I with 67% used maus once and got 6k dmg 4k blocked and 5 kills ace
urban owl
@gleaming light on #vehicles-discussion not here. It’s improper.
viral terrace
Sorry what I wasn’t rly paying attention.what u want?
urban owl
Maus is dependent on it’s team. And like i said, Winrate isn’t everything to judge a player.
viral terrace
Why does that matter? I’m just talking abt what I see in battle
buoyant gull
@gleaming light chill out. Ever person has their own thinking. It doesn't matter about WR
viral terrace
I don’t have maus or is7 but I see them battle against eachother every day...every day normally is7 comes out on top
urban owl
It also depends on play styles of the players.
buoyant gull
I know. For real, Maus is very hard tank to kill ( in professional hand, like I said ) but also is very big and slow, so its easy sometimes for enemy to aim and hit him. But depends where is Maus as position, and sidescrap.
viral terrace
For a td maus is just an easy target
buoyant gull
For tank destroyers, yes its normal and balanced. For example for Obj268, it has good aim and penetration.
wary prairie
Delete 183 and the game is balanced
unique scaffold
@viral terrace once I went in a bad position with my Objekt 263, and a Maus came and had a perfect angle for turret and was hull down, I couldn’t pen a single plate on this tank
urban owl
But if the IS-7 is a professional player too, then it knows how to kill a professional tank in a Maus, and will kill it.
viral terrace
But is that an is7...?
buoyant gull
183 is paper, hide and wait before it shots. Just think smart and all is fine :☺ 😘. 183 never never hit me with HESH how many times I hided 🤗
unique scaffold
Prammo is for 0 IQ players OR very Bad pen guns
wary prairie
Whats the fun about fk hiding
viral terrace
Naw you come against a pramo in battle your pretty much screwed
buoyant gull
Getting unsupotted and hide behind houses, bushes, down the hill...
wary prairie
183 has broken camo as well since it doesnt get spotted from 100m in a bush
viral terrace
Or u could be like my who doesn’t care abt my win rate and rush lol and do a lot of dmg
urban owl
Then if you can’t pen it, find another target, or simply back away and find a better position where you can penetrate it.
wary prairie
Grille needs better camo tbh, like how can a big tank like 183 have more camo
unique scaffold
@urban owl FINALLY SOME1 SMART ON THIS GAME
buoyant gull
Im playing Leopard 1, best medium tank for me, I have 70% wr in it. Ever match is 4k 5k dmg in it. I fought versus Maus and 183 many times, also pro were using them, never got hit by them. Even I kill them easily. Just my opinion
unique scaffold
@wary prairie yes Grille camo is crap
wary prairie
Its just not logical that grille has less armor then other tds, since its way smaller
urban owl
You do not need to stay on one position when you can’t pen a target because you are making yourself useless. And i didn’t said retreat, i said back away and find another good position to penetrate it. It does not mean retreat.
viral terrace
Normally if I can’t pen I load premium ammo and pen or I move around it..being a medium it’s pretty easy
unique scaffold
@buoyant gull Leo 1 so hard 2 play... I’m not skilled enough
wary prairie
Leo1 doesnt fit my playstyle
viral terrace
I play light medium and heavy
buoyant gull
For me leo is fine and good
unique scaffold
Leo is not underpowered
wary prairie
Leo1 isnt bad, it just doesnt fit my playstyle, never liked ru and pta as well
urban owl
For me, i can fit it with it’s play style, since i have grille 15 that has similar playstyle to it, except that Grille 15 isn’t the one who’s gonna spot.
unique scaffold
Leo 1 is for unicums
high shale
Is7 is overpowered
unique scaffold
It has better pen than 140/62
wary prairie
I dont have any russian bias
urban owl
IS-7 does not go to hilly places too, because it’s gun depression is unreliable.
buoyant gull
Grille is good still, but you need mostly hide and have equipment all in it. Then its deadly sniper, worse than 183. It has very good aim
unique scaffold
@wary prairie PT A is actually one of the worst tanks in game. LT armor, HT speed (65 is a lie, it struggles getting 40 kph), also so tall that it lacks gun depression and turret traverse is crap
wary prairie
Pta aint that bad, it has a great gun
high shale
I want also wot PC physics to be in wot blitz :c
unique scaffold
buoyant gull
Same @high shale
viral terrace
The thing is tho I’m going for obj140
unique scaffold
@buoyant gull Grille has crap camo, absolutely no pen, also accuracy is useless on small maps
@wary prairie the gun doesn’t makes up for all other crap stats
high shale
A good idea....... Why there is no Like in wot PC 30 vs 30 players but in blitz 15 vs 15 on bigger maps
wary prairie
I havent played it maxed out, but my friends dont complain about it
unique scaffold
T-62 is OP ah
viral terrace
To me I consider obj140 better
urban owl
Welp, time to call it a win... or not?
wary prairie
Depends on the map jp
buoyant gull
@unique scaffold use platoon mate and play grille. Make your mate to spot enemys and you hit them back, its good tank destroyer still, it doesn't matter how much armor it has, its matter how skilled player is using it
viral terrace
Assumed gender?!??? Lol
unique scaffold
@buoyant gull armor is absolutely not a problem. But crap penetration and camo are
It all depends on map and what players prefer. I personally like all meds
urban owl
I simply prefer 140 over the 62a tho, and uhh let’s just stop arguing with it, lol, since we have different play styles. @gleaming light
buoyant gull
If grille had better camo, everybody would rage how OP it is
viral terrace
Agreed everyone plays different depending how you play will effect what tanks you like
unique scaffold
No bcz of the crap gun @buoyant gull
granite flicker
@gleaming light close call on that
buoyant gull
How come? For me gun seems accurate and good, I played 100 battles in it, never had problems
wary prairie
Grille is good, but it needs more depression imo
viral terrace
“Best medium tank in the game...?” Grille is a td
unique scaffold
@wary prairie happens me everytime, some1 is angry because I sent negative, then block me until I die
@buoyant gull The gun hasn’t enough pen for a TD
buoyant gull
Expect HEAT need used more, maus for example
urban owl
And uhm, like i said, people have different play styles, some maybe be sht on it and others are good on it, @wary prairie.
lunar niche
@viral terrace Pre nerf it could go as fast as a med.
viral terrace
Nope caus long time ago I was up to t8
unique scaffold
HEAT is an heresy, even bots can play this game breaker thing
buoyant gull
@viral terrace we speak about many tanks here 😂
urban owl
For me, Grille is a good tank. A balanced one. Faster reload, lowered penetration. Good mobility, yet little to no armor.
viral terrace
Ik I’m good with the tanks now but back then I didn’t kno many tanks...lol I’m good with the tanks now
fathom gulch
Too many Goraz here
unique scaffold
The only t10 that is not balanced is 183 imo
buoyant gull
Once 183 shot HESH on me, I was using Grille. Blocked dmg by gun 😂 😂
lunar niche
@urban owl 2nd worst performing TD in tier X. 183 is balanced by its high avg dmg, but Grille has lower avg dmg than Obj 268 lol.
prime oracle
183 is fcking broken
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold how about JgPzE100 dealing 600 dmg all the time?
buoyant gull
@prime oracle look who came hahahaha 😂 😂
fathom gulch
Jage100 need a bufg
urban owl
R3D, IT depends on our THINKING and PLAYSTYLE.
prime oracle
Lol
unique scaffold
Every time I got hit by jg was for 700+ dmg
@buoyant gull lol, one guy in 183 dealt 29 dmg on my Baguette-C 25t, then went to private chat to insult me
plush umbra
Nice
lunar niche
@urban owl stats shows its underpowered. Wether you think its good or bad is just you.
urban owl
I blocked 2 HESH in a row in my grille lel
jade cargoBOT
Noob_Warior#6123 was muted
prime oracle
And you think a tank is balanced when it it's the front armor of a heavy tank and manages to do 1400?
buoyant gull
Rages 😂
unique scaffold
@gleaming light it hits the gun, it’s normal
main island
Hai
urban owl
Like i said, it depends on our thinking, whether it’s a good tank or a bad one for us.
buoyant gull
Its RNG @prime oracle 😘
unique scaffold
@prime oracle yes 1400 dmg on E-100´s front is so unfair
Just nerf 183 and game will be better
urban owl
Just replace it with the HESH barn and it’s all balanced.
unique scaffold
I would like to see the FV4005 II and the FV317 Badger
prime oracle
@buoyant gull it's garbage and it destroys the whole tier 10 gameplay thx to 183s camping in spawn meds don't want to spot anymore because when they do they get heshed by 2 of them that are just sitting in spawn doing nothing about teamplay
buoyant gull
Then 183 becomes premium, even for superunicums 40%
urban owl
Yeah i would like to have the 183 too, tho.
viral terrace
Worst thing is when your rushing with a medium in a t9 when an 183 is aiming sights right at you..when you go over the hill bam 12k dmg gone
unique scaffold
@gleaming light yes lmao
And btw how does 183 fit that line?
Whole line is full of pew pew tank and then in t10 you have tank that does 1000+
buoyant gull
True, @prime oracle
prime oracle
@unique scaffold lol good point it doesn't even fit the whole line
viral terrace
So true all the tanks do like 100 damage then you get to fv and it changed a lot
unique scaffold
That’s why WG should add turreted british TDs, and the Badger
prime oracle
@urban owl not really smart to ask things like that here
mild hull
Yeah
earnest sun
jpz needs HE pen buff
lunar niche
@unique scaffold If the badger comes to blitz, Obj 268 V4 won't be far behind. Do you really want to see that tank in Blitz?
viral terrace
Lol
urban owl
Yeah, regretted it after saying it. Lul
unique scaffold
Also I disapprove of removing any tank
@lunar niche I don’t want that thing in game no
mild hull
@urban owl wargaming bans people for sharing accounts and u openly told tgerm u do it
viral terrace
Ok I gtg now have a good day guys and GTCsniper15 your on my friends list lol..I’m taid bye now cya guys
lunar niche
@gleaming light It is balanced. I'm talking about Obj 268 V4. If they replace tier X tanks then the V4 won't be far behind.
unique scaffold
-_- im mute
urban owl
no u aren’t.
lunar niche
I do want to see Super Conqueror though.
unique scaffold
@unique scaffold Hi mute, I am Insane
@lunar niche 183 wouldn’t be replaced just moved to another line
ALSO THERE IS ONE TANK TO BAN ! THE SUPER CONQUEROR AKA SUPER CRAP ! LEMME GRIND FV215b PLZ
Im french
earnest sun
is amx 13 90 good?
unique scaffold
@earnest sun it’s not bad, but not good
urban owl
Is there any staffs that’s watching us right now? I wonder.
lunar niche
@gleaming light Yeah it was. But still, it will probably be op in blitz.
unique scaffold
@gleaming light but it’s super crap it’s basically a Tier 9 with 2 ridiculously useless sideshields on the turret brought to Tier 10
heady laurel
The thing I was hoping to get in 2018 was the Chineese TD line. Now with 5.5 coming soon, this might be oir last update in 2018 and this would further delay getting the Chineese tech tree finished.
I look forward to the new German tier 8-10 heavies, but I'd like to see the tech tree finished and moved to light tanks at high tiers, so the BätChät has more company.
unique scaffold
plz un mute me
@heady laurel we don’t need more useless copies of Soviet tanks, we need Swedish, Polish and Czechoslovakian tanks
@gleaming light the sideshields are on the sides ._. doesn’t even cover properly the front of the turret
heady laurel
@unique scaffold Yinz cant get the new tech trees without getting the Chineese TD's done first. I was hoping for new tank tech trees too, but the Chineese TD's have to come first, too bad its not looking like it will be this year.
unique scaffold
@gleaming light same as T26E4, weakpoints
And don’t forget about the Super Cupola
And you will get HE on your sides from T49 in fail platoons
@gleaming light what about tall tanks, or TDs on upper positions?
Same for the Centurion AX. I don’t want this
At least Caernarvon AX is at the same tier as the original Caernarvon
urban owl
Give buff on it’s mobility and reload time.
unique scaffold
@gleaming light nobody’s perfect
Also you don’t know Position of TDs sniping
lunar niche
Super Conqueror will be better than FV215b due to being front turreted and -10 depression.
latent sail
Anyone that says the 183 needs a nerf never actually played it lmao
lunar niche
Both have weak hull armour, so does it really matter?
latent sail
Can’t tell you how many rounds have been wasted because of hitting the ground in front of the tarfet
unique scaffold
@lunar niche let me grind the unique rear-turreted gameplay!
@gleaming light IS Tier 10 tanks don’t have Super Cupolas
urban owl
IS-7 don’t have a cupola :3
unique scaffold
Not a big problem for heavies @gleaming light
ember thunder
@urban owlit has
urban owl
Just really small that it’s practically really hard to hit, i guess.
languid hedge
I have a feel like some of the Shell cost a lot like a 122mm for example
ember thunder
Extremely small..any tall tank can pen it @urban owl
unique scaffold
@gleaming light and you turret Ring and cheeks get hit
lunar niche
@unique scaffold You have VK 45 .02 b and Maus as a better rear turreted tanks. The upcoming Vk 72 .01 will be kinda similar to FV215b due to weakspot while sidescraping.
urban owl
Idk Salt : P
unique scaffold
@lunar niche I heard that the VK 72.01 will be underpowered due to weird armor profile
Also Maus isn’t fast, has not such fire rate and pen
unborn gorge
Any Idea when or if another nation will be added to blitz?
ember thunder
@unique scaffold it seems like it has bad pen...BUT it is tall... so it had very good pen
unique scaffold
@gleaming light gun handling doesn’t even matter, FV215b is good for CQC while sidescraping
It’s unique, and I don’t want a second conqueror at Tier 10, what a boring tech tree
@ember thunder what about Fire rate and speed?
lunar niche
@unique scaffold Won't be underpowered. The problem is similar to FV215b, it exposes its weakspot while sidescraping/angling. Facing straight on, it has better armour than Maus/E100.
ember thunder
@unique scaffold it does not need those 😂 .... It has great armour
But fire rate is not that bad
unique scaffold
@lunar niche what?! Sidescraping with front-turreted tank?
@ember thunder it makes the gameplay really different
lunar niche
@unique scaffold VK 72 is rear turreted.
ember thunder
Of course it does..what did u think...MAUS is like the rest
MAUS IS MAUS 🙅
unique scaffold
@lunar niche ok I thought you were talking about the Super Crap
No @ember thunder Maus is unique as well
@gleaming light that’s why it destroys the unique gameplay. Please don’t add this
lunar niche
@unique scaffold That uniqness won't be there. IS 4 already has better effective armour. And pretty sure we will be getting Object 705A in the future.
unique scaffold
@lunar niche IS-4 IS GOD DAMN FRONT TURRETED
tulip heart
Please Put New Hp on Su-100Y
Like 1000
ember thunder
IS4 is God 🙏
unique scaffold
@tulip heart it wouldn’t be a big change
tulip heart
And Balance HitPoint on Scavenger's
lunar niche
@unique scaffold Unique in a sense of playstyle - defensive playstyle. Only IS4 and Maus plays this in tier X.
unique scaffold
@gleaming light but I have Not the FV yet I want to grind it before and I can’t play much
@lunar niche idc about IS-4, I want unique rear-turreted tank
I have work to do, I’ll be back later
lunar niche
@unique scaffold WG heard you. We will soon get russian rear turreted heavies line. No frontal weakspot or cupola with 152 mm gun.
willow junco
IS-4 overpowered
timber geyser
Yep, its true
lunar niche
coral echo
?
timber geyser
What, its only Obj 705A that exists in WoT PC
coral echo
Yea this is a wotb server...
timber geyser
Its OP
boreal marten
183 dont deserve nerf it have very weak armor and slow reloading speed
shell tiger
What obj279??
remote bramble
does any one know wat the next event will be after the light and darknes thing?
shell tiger
Is that blitz or pc version
quick lichen
Kv 220 is getting nerfed
manic galleon
@quick lichen no it's impossible
quick lichen
It’s getting nerfed
valid abyss
The B1 needs better pen
unique scaffold
slt
icy merlin
Why do the French light tanks have guns a tier under them( for instance the AMX 13 90 tier 8 starts with a tier 6 gun)? unlike other tanks who have guns a tier higher or more.
quick lichen
Auto loader balance
umbral fern
He's right
coarse harness
Who cares the gun tiers ?
Watch the carasterictics, not that one number...
umbral fern
that thing cranks out 300-400 damage total. so yeah if It did the same ammount of damage as your average tier VIII gun it would deal a stupid ammount of damage
And it's more historically accurate in my opinion
unique scaffold
IS-7 need buff Gun Side armor too weak
umbral fern
I havn't used it yet but from what I've heard is that the gun's Penetration is low and the side armor is horrible.
light narwhal
@unique scaffold agree
minor grail
@unique scaffold Yes need buff but no side armor because when u doing side scrap u show front armor
wary prairie
Delete 183 and its balanced
small frigate
Why?
chrome salmon
Yeah removing 183 completely would be the best option
chrome salmon
If is7 needed a buff, it wouldnt be in the top 3 most used cw tanks ))))
dreamy field
I think the vk 45.02 A deserves a little buff... It is just so bad at tier 8
chrome salmon
Type 61 needs a buff, its such a sad tank
unique scaffold
Buff SP 1 C, it has been overnerfed
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
void patrol
Jpz E-100 needs a buff. It should not be rolling 500+ when the 152mm guns roll 600, and HE should have at least 90mm of pen, given how it has much more explosive mass than the 152mm HE shells
unique scaffold
Yes (((
winged barn
Need an armored 183, cause even more rage for people
queen hemlock
@unique scaffold Agreed on SP. Reinstate the inter shell reload
void patrol
Then the gun must be nerfed to compensate for the buff, if you buff armor of 183 @winged barn
obtuse atlas
Pls you nerfed the A-20 but pls do the same thing toch DW2
winged barn
@void patrolwas talking about the jge100 HE buff you mentioned
quick lichen
Dw2 is getting nerfed
obtuse atlas
Tnx god
quick lichen
modest prairie
Nerf the helsing and drac
eternal bough
Don't
modest prairie
Do they ruin the game
modest prairie
They are nerfing the Kenny
eternal bough
@modest prairie do you want to spend money on a good tank and be left with a bad tank?
quick lichen
Keni otsu isn’t being nerfed
modest prairie
No I want a ballenced tank not a tier 8 at 7 @eternal bough
umbral fern
Am I the only one here who's relativly accepting of wargamings balancing choices?
obtuse atlas
i think the tier 8 prems are OK but the prems WG made are just searching boundry's
like the dracula or helsing or lotus and so on...
modest prairie
Please buff the panther 2 it's unplayable
quick lichen
It’s not
That page is old
And outdated. But a good baseline
Wg said on livestream Keni otsu wasn’t getting nerfed
eternal bough
Premiums no collectibles maybe
quick lichen
No
Premium tanks are turned into collector tanks. Collector tanks can be nerfed but you can also sell them for gold in 5.5
obtuse atlas
why? @modest prairie you still have your tank
high shale
I want to know if wargaming is working in Wot blitz Physics because i want the wot PC physics to be in wot blitz
modest prairie
@obtuse atlas that gets nerfed into the ground
obtuse atlas
Oh you want pay to win then? and nerfed noo it just getting ballanced
modest prairie
Locust is not op in any way
high shale
I have locust since 2016
rich pike
Lol balanced what is that
wanton oyster
I love the locust and it’s not Op
eternal bough
What about making seperate queues for premiums and tech tree vehicles?
obtuse atlas
i mean like we want in a game of 7V7 14 diffrent tanks not all the same becouse its the only tank you can compete with
high shale
Before wg remove it :c
wanton oyster
I wish they add 10v10 with bigger maps. Who agrees?
modest prairie
I paid for a tank...I would have bought gold if I wanted it...No one wants this...It's stupid... @obtuse atlas
obtuse atlas
@gleaming light i think wargaming want lowtier for new players not for the experienced players
modest prairie
@obtuse atlas now more 40%ers getting to tier 10...
high shale
I want 15 vs 15 battles :D but i can fell the player with low end devices so i have the patient to wait :D
obtuse atlas
yeah but they will get punnished by the experiënced player who are working there they will drop automaticly and @modest prairie how maney 60+ percenters are playing lowertier?
high shale
Helsing is balanced dracula is op
modest prairie
It's too easy now to get to tier 10...and now they ruin what I paid for...I have everyone of the prems becoming collectors and it's so frustrating...I want the dammed thing I paid for...
ivory fractal
I’ll be happy if they did, too op 😂
obtuse atlas
see @gleaming light
vapid isle
No
obtuse atlas
you are just fustraded @modest prairie that you cant statspad or what?
modest prairie
No they aren't op @obtuse atlas
obtuse atlas
i think they are you should compare them @gleaming light and @modest prairie
high shale
I have helsing since 2016 halloween xD
modest prairie
No I think you should look at how I have paid £500 on this game and what I PAID for is getting ruined
high shale
I have paid 30 euros xD
vapid isle
I can take them down without dieing so they are fine...mostly
obtuse atlas
@vapid isle take a panther fight it again
modest prairie
Exactly I would love to see them make the IS3 D a collectors tank
vapid isle
Can't don't have it
high shale
Is7 needdd bufffff spaced armor is so ****** up like fake armors everywhere
obtuse atlas
the only thing you can think about is like i paid a tank and the tank is gone..... NO the tank is still there but they just made it equal
fossil crag
Just a Tier 5/6
obtuse atlas
yeah its indeed just a tier 5/6 why even bother about it you just play or should play that tier for fun not for stupid statpad
void patrol
Fyi this is in a Jpz E-100. Buff the base alpha please ffs
vapid isle
I have to sell my good tanks to make room for the collectable
fossil crag
Jag isn’t a tank, it’s a good meme
void patrol
I sold the borsig and the Ru 251 @vapid isle
modest prairie
@obtuse atlas nerfed into becoming totally different might as well be a new tank
vapid isle
Gtg
obtuse atlas
it might but i belive in WG that they will make good discisions and make it still the same tank
lone warren
low rolls are the wordt
obtuse atlas
a fast tank will still be a fast tank just not to fast but not to slow and thats what evryone wants
modest prairie
How many battles do you have? @obtuse atlas
obtuse atlas
+- 11K you @modest prairie why
modest prairie
@obtuse atlas 32k
obtuse atlas
GREAT so whay you wanna say with it?
fossil crag
That amount of battles and you still care about some low tiers? Sheeeeesh
high shale
Rebalance T110E3 because now is officially the worst tier 10 Tank
modest prairie
I have 2k low tier games @fossil crag it's the principal not that I play it
high shale
How am i trolling i suggest
lone warren
E3 is not the worst tier ten wtf
fossil crag
Well that just makes no sense now does it
obtuse atlas
nope
modest prairie
No I paid money and I want what I paid for @fossil crag
fossil crag
You have an issue with something that you don’t even play.
lone warren
E3 is a good tank lmao. Good gun, decent gun depression and not to mention the frontal armour
high shale
Ye it has got so many week spots 25 km/h and now they decreased the HP
modest prairie
@fossil crag still paid for it
fossil crag
You have what you paid for, it’s just balanced now.
lone warren
‘So many weakspots’ so does the e4 that has a weaker hatch but thats not the worst tier ten ? Both have weak sides etc
obtuse atlas
@fossil crag just what I tried to tell him
fossil crag
Sell the tank and pretend you never had it.
high shale
Is7 has got so many fake weak spots 50 km/h a TD gun and TD spot system
modest prairie
But it's not what I paid for them is it?
lone warren
Tier seven needs serious looking at lol
obtuse atlas
yeah i think a GREAT IDEA @gleaming light
fossil crag
Don’t care, I don’t play Tier 7. 😂
modest prairie
But many do @fossil crag
high shale
Is3 needs serious looking because its the IS3A actually xD
lone warren
Tier 6 you have derp guns tier 7 you have op premiums and then above you have strong premiums eg lowe good luck playing a light tank
fossil crag
I think many should consider the superior tiers of 9 and 10
modest prairie
@fossil crag you had to play it to get past it
obtuse atlas
yeah thats what WG is trying to do with the low tier changes
near pagoda
Tier 4 and 5 now ruined because of Scavenger, I would say give players an opt out of novelty tanks or separate game mode so that games are more balanced
@gleaming light Agreed
obtuse atlas
look there is a lot of work for WG but they can't do it at ones it takes time
twilit crystal
tier 8 lights are ok