tank-balance-discussion

[timber flume]

Brb I'll show you why I use it as spare gold

@marble willow I'm not good with it

Well that's my old account but still I'm not good with it

[naive hawk]

Try until you are good

[timber flume]

@naive hawk that tank out of my whole account itself has the worse stats

[naive hawk]

Yeah, it doesn't mean you will be bad for eternity

But depend on you I guess

[timber flume]

@naive hawk my current stats

Forgot I used it for a while on my current account

I like comparing my old account to my new one

I'll pull it out again

[obtuse rover]

The t22 is good

[timber flume]

Not everyone can be good with it tho and that goes with enough tank

[clear flax]

For those that have it what do you think of the new ts 60?

[dusk mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/flightreacts-reaction-flight-reacts-flight-reacts-flightreacts-gif-14526489174047821058

[marble willow]

Ah unfortunate

[lime spruce]

it's PEAK gng

[clear flax]

How do you angle the armor? Becuz the engine is in the front the engine keeps getting damaged and engine fire. Not sure if there firing gold, but the engine deck is always penetrated. Also yeah it’s got the dpm but I can’t trade with tier 9 heavies up close cuz it doesn’t have a lot of hp

[lime spruce]

1: Armour. sucks at angling, even with enhanced armour. Engine is vulnerable like jadg, so keep low and cover LFP, use protective kit if problem persists.
2: shot trading. trade shots from a distance or with other tanks who arent heavies. even with good DPM, pen and damage, heavies are persistent with HP and usually have higher DPM than your base health, so fight where their dispersion nerfs them.
side info: fight second line, keep LFP covered, side scrape sucks. don't ever fight up close with TS I found out the hard way.

[clear flax]

[scarlet karma]

against things like the T-54 ltwt the TS-60 turret is tough but the hull sides can be penned easily. (Standard AP, 90 degrees)

[marble willow]

Yeah been trying to do that. .29 dispersion is a little high but i find the reload to make up for it. How often do you get cupola sniped?

[clear flax]

For something that is so slow moving, the armor doesn’t work, angling doesn’t work, even light tanks can pen the hull. Yeah the turret is good u get bounces but that alone is not enough

[clear flax]

Reload is good but doesn’t matter about the cupola. The cupola is the least of my worrries as the large front upper plate is nothing but butter literally

No need to focus on the cupola when you already got the entire long front as one huge target

[marble willow]

I feel like i do get nice bounces off the ufp though. In a facehug no but when slightly angled with gun dep its strong.

[clear flax]

The engine deck is an issue anything can pen it

[marble willow]

Yes ik thats why i never facehug

[clear flax]

[marble willow]

[azure plaza]

it is besides the point :/

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

Also petition to give AMX 50 B Shell Reload Boost or less intra-clip

[timber flume]

Nah they might give it 4 shells again

[terse cairn]

Give obj 260 more turret armor and more heat pen

[prime geyser]

Nah 2 degrees gun dep and better side armor

[terse cairn]

260 isn't meant for sidescrape due it pike nose hull. Usually soviet tanks doesn't get gun depression instead they get better turret armor( like IS 4, IS 7, t22) unless you give it IS 5 treatment

[craggy grove]

Give AMX 50 B a 5 shells autoloader, make stock gun of Foch B a 120mm autoloader with 5 shells and give Batchats 105mm gun 5 shells autoloader.

[high swift]

AMX 50 B gun is kinda dirpy

[timber flume]

Definitely not, 3 shells is good

[meager sky]

Nerf tiger 2

[marble willow]

It already has great side armor

[craggy grove]

Derpy? 0.307 accuracy is pretty good.

[high swift]

Most of my shots miss i end the game with like 2k damage

[timber flume]

Get out

[timber flume]

The amx is great at being a rat

Go med/light side with it

I normally get 3-4k damage in it

Only 3 times I went above 5k

Not really reliable on the heavy side

[high swift]

Okay thanks for the help because I always went on the heavy side

[timber flume]

I used to do that til I noticed I done better in it bullying lights and mediums xd

[meager sky]

its the best heavy

[timber flume]

If they nerf the tiger 2 I will touch your breakfast

[marble willow]

I feel that falls within the realm of derpy still

[meager sky]

why not nerf it? Like crazy armor and very good gun for its tier

[timber flume]

My guy if you think the tiger 2 is that strong it's a skill issue on your part

[marble willow]

Against heat its butter

[timber flume]

It's easy to use and kill

[timber flume]

I try to sidescrape when I notice someone switching to heat

@meager sky an E25 can face hug it's side and win

The pancake tank can do it too

[marble willow]

Yeah slide scraping works nicely. The turret is the problem if you accidentally angle it

[timber flume]

The turret be the main thing that get me killed in the tiger

[meager sky]

yeah and 2sec after it just turn

[timber flume]

The E25 is light if the tiger turn it will automatically turn with it like a leech

The tiger can't even aim down far enough to even rub it

@meager sky pull out the action x if tigers scare you

Chimera

Smasher

Any other heavy/TD

The AMXs

T30

Any heat

Technically everything could easily kill the tiger besides the Caliban

[meager sky]

how amx?

[timber flume]

All the AMXs can easily kill the tiger

Their faster than it just circle around them

Fosh just slaps them

[meager sky]

amx cant pen it frontal(Fosh too)

You're blaming that it can get flank but its a heavy that normal but a armor like that is crazy bro like even the gun

[timber flume]

Why are you doing frontal attacks on a tiger without heat

[meager sky]

even with heat or armor piercing thing you cant

[timber flume]

The tracks are pathetic just break them

I main heavies and tigers are easy to kill once you get the feel for it

KV2 can easily kill the tiger 2 if it saw one

Just play the tiger 2 yourself and look at the areas you get penned at

[meager sky]

light and medium cant kill it

[timber flume]

Oh yes it can

The tiger 2 turret doesn't turn fast so it's best to flank and circle

[meager sky]

and btw do wotb hate France because its tech tree have like bad pen

[timber flume]

I believe you need more practice

[marble willow]

Ho ri

[meager sky]

i play wotb for more than 5year

[timber flume]

Kinda hard for me to believe that when your having trouble with tigers of all things 😅

And I'm an German enjoyer xd

[meager sky]

yeah you just prove my point that you dont wznt you tiger 2 go away

[marble willow]

When r they fixing the kv-5 ufp. Its literally a void

[timber flume]

@meager sky my new and old account basically 15k battles in total and tigers are one of the most Easiest things to kill

[meager sky]

i have Dozens of accounts bro

[timber flume]

And yet you struggling with killing tigers like how

[meager sky]

cuz maybe im an amx and he just turn and i cant flank him are you so dumb or what,just Think about it, man

[prisma jetty]

Which AMX are you talking about here

[timber flume]

Amx can definitely kill a tiger

[meager sky]

Amx defender, amx13 90

[timber flume]

@prisma jetty question do you have any problems killing tigers in certain tanks?

@meager sky ... I see a flag definitely screaming skill issue

[meager sky]

Wdym

[timber flume]

Use a shell or two to brake the tracks then mag dump them and run or CIRCLE THEM the turret isn't fast

[prisma jetty]

Even at worst, you’re still going through the turret face

[last bolt]

If you can't kill a Tiger in a AMX13 90 you're just bad

[timber flume]

They be the main ones that catch me slipping in the tiger when I'm not paying attention to them

[last bolt]

I could kill a tiger 2 with a AMX 13 75

[meager sky]

then show a video of you doing it(not a bot) realistic combat and with a wall Behind the tiger

[timber flume]

He wants the tiger 2 to be nerfed this how it started

[meager sky]

Crazy armor

[timber flume]

The K2 has better armour and it's Russian

[meager sky]

Its slower

[last bolt]

honestly, most tanks in this game should have thicker armor

[timber flume]

I nominate the maus go first with more armour

[last bolt]

The VK100.01's lower plate is trash and needs a buff

[timber flume]

Quite the opposite

Play the tiger 2 I promise you'll get obliterated

[last bolt]

also possibly unpopular opinion but the M-V-Yoh's 120mm needs a slight DPM buff. Not much, but the thing feels unusable rn

[meager sky]

i got 2master with a tiger 2 and i was 2k damage avg per game

[meager sky]

Yeah but not much

[timber flume]

I'm starting to not believe you if that's true then you should know its weakness and not have any trouble killing a tiger

[last bolt]

I just want it to not have the worst DPM in tier IX (by a lot)

[marble willow]

Bro that is a crazy statement

[meager sky]

yeah it have a weakness but amx for me were really bad or maybe they got buff(amx)

[last bolt]

It's 100mm at 45 degrees

[timber flume]

I haven't seen an vk100 in a while so I cant say much about them

[last bolt]

that's 140mm effective on flat ground

you literally can't angle enough to get bounces until your side is pennable

[marble willow]

But its tiny you just have to drive forward or wiggle

[last bolt]

it's 1/3 the bottom of the tank

[marble willow]

Yeah

[timber flume]

I remember having trouble killing the vk100 til I discovered how to sidescrape and face hug with certain tanks

[last bolt]

I just want the VK 100's lower plate to be 150mm. Is that too much to ask?

[marble willow]

Thats way too much

Thats more than the side armor of the vk 90 at tier 10

[last bolt]

You can pen it flat with most tier 8s, and the cupola is still there

[meager sky]

to remind it have crazy flank armor angle and its almost impenetrable for light and medium

[last bolt]

yeah... because it's the frontal armor

[meager sky]

if you ask to buff the vk buff the amx ac48 because its armor is bad (way too much weakspot)

[marble willow]

But its on a tier 8 lol. Youre removing an obvious weak spot thats the lfp

[timber flume]

I hate fighting vk90s each time I see one it be in a tank that cant pen it but when I pull out the hori I see no vk90s

[last bolt]

just ignoring the giant cupola now, are we?

[meager sky]

for small tank you cant pen it

[last bolt]

small... as in lights? that can outmaneuver the VK 100?

[meager sky]

and medium

[timber flume]

The vk100 is also tall

[last bolt]

If you can't pen the VK in a tier 8 med then honestly, skill issue

[timber flume]

Are you still implying the tigers too strong?

[marble willow]

Im not ignoring the cupola im just surprised youre pushing for the lfp thats tiny on a t8 to be increased to 150mm. There are ways to make it much harder to hit and youre just ignoring those suggestions

[meager sky]

yep sure

Avg medium pen 170 bruh

[last bolt]

I know about wiggling, I do it a lot in the VK. It's just that, for a superheavy with a near 300mm thick upper plate, a ~130mm lower seems a bit... underwhelming

[timber flume]

@meager sky use the tech tree ISU

[last bolt]

for tier VII, maybe

my TECH TREE Pershing has 268mm of premium pen without cali

[marble willow]

Yeah well at the end of the day a vehicle needs to be somewhat balanced

[meager sky]

for viii*

[timber flume]

The tanken needs a buff

[meager sky]

this have to be a ragebait

[last bolt]

I'll go to 130mm thick, but I stand by the VK 100's lower plate needing a buff

[timber flume]

@meager sky I think you trying to rage bait us bruh

[meager sky]

can we talk abt the Kpz. pr.68?

[timber flume]

Is this too strong for u?

[meager sky]

nah

[timber flume]

Interesting

[meager sky]

Its a 7/10 when thr tiger is atleast 8.5/10

[last bolt]

Could do with moving to tier 9 after a minor buff, but seems pretty balanced rn

[meager sky]

we could just buff the 380 dmg to 400 bc come on its armor jts bad

nice turret armor but its a free kill with the hull

[last bolt]

I'm not sure why there's not a standard damage for calibers in this game. All calibers should deal the same damage, unless the damage is tied to propellant length and caliber

[meager sky]

Nop,different shell

in your logic a 120mm amx 50b cannon do the same damage as a apfsds 120mm cannon

[timber flume]

@meager sky how about these

@last bolt isn't that kpz have paper armour?

[last bolt]

given APFSDS isn't simulated in this game, yeah

[marble willow]

Because irl larger calibers tend to deal more damage. Because of their increased inertia

[meager sky]

Shell* a 30mm apfsds do more damage than a 120mm ap (if we take the amx 50b and the bmpt terminator)

[last bolt]

well mass only does so much when you've got a short propellant charge

[marble willow]

Well because they are different structural wise. Apfsds has a long tail which increases spalling

[meager sky]

not really its more the material the form and etc

[marble willow]

Yes and adding onto my point youre comparing apples to oranges

[timber flume]

Hes a scientist with cross breeding impossible fruits

[signal dagger]

Finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary

[timber flume]

Actually I wonder if someone actually done that before

[marble willow]

Yes that too but as a general rule of thumb higher caliber does more damage

[last bolt]

The AC line is what makes me think it's tied to some other hidden stat

but mostly I'd like to know why two tanks with the same caliber gun deal different amounts of damage

[timber flume]

@signal dagger sold mine I wanted it maxed like my old account but the season crates was giving me stuff that went to a tank I already maxed out

[last bolt]

like "this 120mm deals 380, and this one deals 410"... for what purpose?

[timber flume]

Why play stock when I have the predator

[marble willow]

In game balancing

[signal dagger]

I hate that, I want wg to allow us to buy the currency for gold/credit/ or free xp

[timber flume]

That would be amazing

[signal dagger]

Right

[timber flume]

I would have enough to get the last gun on the KVJR

[signal dagger]

I have all the tanks but all my tier 9 are still stock. I hate how season 6 went

[marble willow]

Man i remember my first prem was the sp. Hows its performance in t8 nowadays?

[timber flume]

I can't say all when I missed out on the one with the 50tp

[signal dagger]

The reggressor one right?

[timber flume]

My first was the t7 predator and the TD I forgot it's name that bundle was my first purchase after I got a job

[timber flume]

Yep, never had it even on my old account

I had the first two tho since they was easy to get for free

[marble willow]

Oh the um?

[timber flume]

Whats um? The TD with the massive plow

The 40k tanks

[hollow wind]

Vindicator

[timber flume]

That

[meager sky]

i hate the vk90.01 its so op for 1v1

[vague fiber]

not really its kinda slow

[meager sky]

crazy armor

[wicked quest]

The secondary has more dpm and pen

[timber flume]

@vague fiber how to kill a vk90 it's one of the few tanks I challenge killing the most and when I pull out the hori they don't appear

[marble willow]

Ultramarines but yeah i think you mean the vind

[marble willow]

Yeah i found out when i was 1v1 a vk 90 with a type 5 in realistic

All i could do was spam HE at the turret

[meager sky]

yep .

[marble willow]

Dont facehug. If you have good prammo aim for the cupola. Also gun block

[meager sky]

i 2v2 in a tournament with my friend,1maus and vk we couldnt do anything,maybe we should remove the vk from tournament

[marble willow]

If they overangle the sides and ammorack are relatively weak

[timber flume]

Tried that except face hugging since the front is no different than the pre nerfed vk75

I use the tiger 2 for ratings and tournaments

[marble willow]

Also keep in mind it as apcr as premuim ammo. So it can go through your gun blocking. And ap has 298 pen lol.

[timber flume]

I was wondering about that sometimes when I try to barrel stuff someone I still get shot through it

The Japanese faction needs a new tech line

[naive hawk]

Type 5 heavy
Type 4 heavy

[timber flume]

Wait there's a type 4

[naive hawk]

They could still make it though, just make Type 4 a Tier 10

[signal dagger]

Yes, although it’s not in wotb. The Type 4 is in world of tanks

[vague fiber]

aim for the engine deck with HE since type 5 has low pen

[marble willow]

Yeah have been doing that and aiming right where the turret connects with the hull

[lavish steeple]

I would say this tank in reforged is balanced nicely 🤔

[marble willow]

Let me guess the bots dont know how to pen your armor

[glad flower]

You fought 6 bots

[prime geyser]

About reforged can you explain me how the Keys work

[timber flume]

AE phase need a turret buff

[prime geyser]

Nobody has this tank

[timber flume]

Some people do and I wanna see them so I can kill them

Since I been playing (2018) Ive spotted 3 of them, I'm not a fan of odd numbers

[prime geyser]

It feel normal to only see 3 of them because get this tank is barely impossible

Wg should do something about it because the tank look funny to play despite his huge age

[timber flume]

Ammo racked one of them in the JG e100

[marble willow]

Can someone explain why this is in tier 7?

[marble willow]

For the containers the drop chance in 0.05% which is basically 0

I wonder what the mastery requirement would be. The gsor the tank is similar. You only need like 3k to get an ace which is absurd

[timber flume]

On my old account it have like 50 battles I think it felt WAAAAAAAY too easy while the smasher didn't (I always fought t8 in the smasher)

[lavish steeple]

I used my cell phone so I cannot tell you how the computer keys will work for you, the red keys though are for unlocking tank sets

[marble willow]

Exactly. Tier 8 isnt even an issue for this thing. Your dpm is great so missing isnt an issue. The smasher on the other hand feels like torture when you bounce or miss

[timber flume]

Hearing the smasher is op bugs me I can easily go to my old account right now I have 1.9k battles in it and maybe 300 of them wasn't against t8

The moment the Russian gun kicks in and shoot at a ghost your done meanwhile the Annie reloads faster

If I remember correctly heat can't reliably pen the Annie turret

[terse beacon]

Smasher is most definitely op my guy

[marble willow]

Its op against tier 6 & 7 and strong against tier 8. With tier 8 buffed youre going to have problems with juiced up is-5s and whatnot.

[timber flume]

My guy it's no different than the KV2 you can kill it the same way

[terse beacon]

Except it's very different to kv2. Kv2 does not have reliable pen, dpm or an actual pretty accurate gun

[timber flume]

@marble willow I always gotten T8 then T6

Lets say I done 10 matches 9 will be T8

[marble willow]

Yeah thats mm for you. Also youll be fighting against another smasher or anni

[timber flume]

Wait you call the smasher gun accurate since when all I get is Russian accuracy

[marble willow]

Admittedly its quite accurate for its caliber

[terse beacon]

For the alpha it's accurate. Obviously it's not going to have Leo accuracy for a 152mm at t7

[timber flume]

Sometimes I be seeing my shot miss fully aimed like how the hell

[marble willow]

Thats the avg 152mm experience

[obtuse rover]

Happens less with the smasher than other 152mm imo

[timber flume]

@terse beacon anyways I can't see the smasher op, probably just me learning all it's weaknesses

[marble willow]

Its technically op since anything under tier 8 gets mogged by it except the anni

[terse beacon]

I literally just told you why it has high dpm with an accurate 152mm gun and high pen. Thing legit has 280mm heat rounds

[marble willow]

2400~

[timber flume]

The E25, lycan, amx if your sneaky and flank, the pancake, almost any Russian tank

[timber flume]

13-14s reload

Bait first

[marble willow]

You outtrade the lycan and it rips away the other tanks hp

[terse beacon]

Smasher is better than anni is nowadays, it's more consistent against t8s since anni struggles more with fighting t8 heavies

[timber flume]

Pfft I got bullied by a lycan twice

I chalked it up I ran into good players

I do need to play my smasher again I been enjoying the kvjr more

[marble willow]

I respectfully disagree if you take battles up close the anni shreds t8. You have a more reliable turret and more gun dep to work ridges

[timber flume]

The Annie would annihilate a smasher due to reloading faster

[terse beacon]

Anni doesn't have armour against t8s and you struggle penning a lot of t8 heavies. It's better than smasher when it's top tier but overall smasher will be more consistent

[marble willow]

Rip. If they are hulldown just lob an HE shell. They cant do anything about it

[timber flume]

Bro the Annie turret is red to the tiger 2

[timber flume]

Thx for the advice but wouldn't the space armour get in the way?

[marble willow]

Ive gone against the tiger, shark, is-6, is-5. I feel like i can hold my own better in the anni due to the absurd dpm it gets 2600~ with cali

[marble willow]

Well thats up to rnjesus lol

[timber flume]

I stay in the med range and let other heavies on the front line in the smasher if I'm facing T8 I learned my lesson about being aggressive towards the higher tier

[terse beacon]

No it's not what are you talking about

[timber flume]

I main heavies my guy

[terse beacon]

Okay? You're still objectively wrong

[marble willow]

Its troll*

[timber flume]

Go face one and make sure the Annie using the extra armour perk

[marble willow]

The reliable spot to pen is always the strip at the top

[timber flume]

I stopped trying to hit it since every time I tried it bounced and in return 640 of my health go poof

I do find joy bullying Annie's when I pull out an ISU tho

[marble willow]

Oh yeah the isu’s gun is one of the strongest at t8. Bl-10 magic

[timber flume]

Anti material tank

[terse beacon]

Dpm is meaningless when you're not penning reliably. Annis saving grace against armoured t8 heavies is that t8 players suck, otherwise it wouldn't be able to do much to them, whereas smasher at the very least has crazy heat pen and outtrades most t8 heavies

[marble willow]

I can pen reliably when im up close

[timber flume]

Did you know the TIGER 1-2 can bully the smasher if you angle and sidescrape

[marble willow]

Not the tiger 1 but tiger 2 is valid. Tiger 1s get eaten for brekkie

[terse beacon]

? Brother smasher lolpens both of these tanks what are you talking about

[timber flume]

@marble willow a couple of times I killed an smasher user in the tiger 1

[timber flume]

If you practice enough you can counter a counter

[marble willow]

If you angle properly like he said you can get easy bounces with the tiger 2

[terse beacon]

There is no "countering" 280 heat by sidescraping with a tiger 1

[timber flume]

@marble willow I played the tigers a lot even in rating and 1 tournament

@terse beacon it's possible tho xd

[vague fiber]

u could pen the gun mantlet with gold in most tanks

[timber flume]

If I had good WiFi I would get on to show u but I can't it atm the WiFi I'm using would only lag the game

[marble willow]

Yeah thats a weakspot

[timber flume]

Wait the gun mantlet on the Annie can be penned?

[vague fiber]

no lycan

[marble willow]

But yeah up close its going to be hard to bounce a smasher in the tiger 2

[timber flume]

Oh for a couple of seconds I was about to call myself stupid for not checking

[vague fiber]

smashers only downsides are 6 degrees and bad armour, even with the insane pen its not really effective against high tiers

[terse beacon]

Except even at a perfect angle tiger 2 is still pennable, you're basically banking on smasher player being bad

[marble willow]

Yes its most effective when brawling esp in a downtier

[vague fiber]

Not against e25 💀

[timber flume]

I tunnel vision them when I'm in the smasher those things scares me

[marble willow]

Yes up close its an easy pen i said that already

[vague fiber]

u one shot them lmao

[terse beacon]

I literally said perfect angle

[timber flume]

Easy said than done when your gun decides to go on vacation and miss despite being aimed in

Actually I wonder if I have the e25 on my current account brb

[marble willow]

Trying to hit the turret cheeks when a tiger is angling from a distance with the smasher isnt a guarantee pen. You forgot that its a 152mm at the end of the day

[terse beacon]

You can pen the hull my guy

[marble willow]

Do they still sell the e25? Havent seen it in my shop

[timber flume]

Just realized I only had like 2mil left

@marble willow idk I just restored mine

[timber flume]

If a tiger is side scrapping that heat not going to pen until they overangle

[timber flume]

@marble willow add the tiger 1 plz too

[marble willow]

Oh nice they didnt conv it to collectible

[timber flume]

I'm basically broke at this point xd

[terse beacon]

You're literally using gun dep lmao. Yeah bro ok

[timber flume]

SEE @terse beacon even in the tiger 1 side scrapping can slap a smasher xd

Just gotta bait

[marble willow]

No it wasnt the gun was down. I put it lower and its still not a guaranteed pen on the hull

[timber flume]

I don't be trusting the gray spots on the hull sometimes

[marble willow]

Baiting a smasher is my new way of getting dopamine

[timber flume]

Youll have fun with me then because occasionally ik what they doing some some stupid reason I fall for it 50% of the time

[marble willow]

If youre down to test it…in game

[timber flume]

Weak WiFi starting a match is a bad idea

[marble willow]

A training battle wouldnt hurt?

[terse beacon]

.... Except you are

Same angle as your first pic btw

[marble willow]

From a distance its not guaranteed. Thats all im saying lol

[terse beacon]

Entire front pennable and side gets pennable at pretty small angles yeah whatever you say dude

[dusk mountain]

Run Cali if you don’t already

[marble willow]

Again this is what i said

[terse beacon]

Still an easy pen at distance too since you're not realistically going to be angling perfectly every second. Again you're simply relying on smasher player being bad

[dusk mountain]

Give me the context of this debate

[timber flume]

The front

You can't see the front if they're face hugging a wall

[vague fiber]

eh, thats troll for a 152 mm

[marble willow]

And theyll be moving too btw

[timber flume]

@marble willow he starting to remind me of the guy who cant kill a tiger 2 and want it nerfed

[marble willow]

[dusk mountain]

Are we complaining about tiger 2s armor being too good or something

[timber flume]

@dusk mountain There was a guy asking for a nerf to the tiger 2 saying the armour is too good and the gun

Even in a amx light including defender he couldnt kill a tiger

[dusk mountain]

Bruh. Thats just skill issue atp. And if we complaining about if they sidescrape and they can’t pen believe it or not thats the whole point

[terse beacon]

Pay attention to where I'm aiming that's almost half the upper plate pennable

[vague fiber]

its a 152 if ur pen low rolls ur done

[terse beacon]

And once they poke out to shoot they'll either have a pennable side or front 🤯 tiger 1 armour is meant for fighting t7 mediums not sidescraping against 280 heat

[marble willow]

Take into account your shell velocity, that theyre moving and your accuracy. Its not guranteed

[timber flume]

Thats what we started saying🥲

I even gaved advice like break the tracks and circle it the turret don't turn that fast but naaaah

[dusk mountain]

Do u wanna nerf e100s armor too? Cuz it’s pretty much the same when they angle

[marble willow]

Wdym

[timber flume]

@terse beacon I'm just gonna say skill issue

[terse beacon]

Go average 4k then you can tell me all about how much of a skill issue I have

[dusk mountain]

If you wanna complain about the tiger 2 being hard to pen when they sidescrape then what are you gonna say about the e100

[timber flume]

The tigers can do a lot

Bro as I said I main heavies HEAVILY on both accounts

@dusk mountain Not him

[marble willow]

I think this a great time to switch topics

[timber flume]

@terse beacon my new and old account

Massive heavy main

Ik what I'm doing in the tigers

It's easy to bully a lot of tanks in them

[dusk mountain]

Let’s see the winrates fr, @marble willow my fault I thought it was u

[marble willow]

Just so you know im not the person that complained abt the tiger 2s armor. Ur chillin bro 😉

[timber flume]

My new account

[dusk mountain]

How many career battles on the account

[terse beacon]

If you're sidescraping with your tiger 1 against a smasher then clearly you don't. It's meant to steamroll mediums

[vague fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-statement-dog-clowned-trash-opinion-your-opinion-gif-15033044919438935088

[dusk mountain]

😭

[dusk mountain]

Only 51% and 1300?

[timber flume]

@dusk mountain

I play for fun not to sweat

[vague fiber]

[dusk mountain]

😭

[terse beacon]

Is this supposed to be a flex? I don't really get it

[vague fiber]

whats ur user

[dusk mountain]

Hold up I have a flex for you guys

[timber flume]

Flex for what? I'm showing that I play heavies a lot and not new

[vague fiber]

my guy xylo be cooking

[marble willow]

If i dont see 75% 4000+ dpb ill crash out

[timber flume]

@terse beacon and u sir must just suck with tigers and not happy about being proven that your bad

[vague fiber]

hes a super uni just so u know
AND origin player

[dusk mountain]

I mean only 3 battles but like

[vague fiber]

3 battles
6334 DMG 🤯

[marble willow]

Thats insane. And in the 260

[timber flume]

Try it in the ram II

[dusk mountain]

I don’t play low tier

[terse beacon]

The last time I played tiger 2 I was averaging 2900, but yeah bro you're so right mb

[vague fiber]

bro u averaged more dmg ive ever done 😭

[dusk mountain]

You’ll get there eventually. I have 6k games a lot

[marble willow]

Play another battle . at 3am

[dusk mountain]

Yea nah

[dusk mountain]

I also did 5.6k in the Sherman easy 8 first battle 😭

[marble willow]

Madre mia

[timber flume]

? Idk Russian

[vague fiber]

is that the "it's perfect" guy

[primal yacht]

✅ cyclone9581 was banned.

[upper knot]

@timber flume @marble willow Discussing possums and spiders is not a#tank-balance-discussion. Take it to #off-topic-discussion

[surreal violet]

ya gotta be kidding me

[unique scaffold]

Obj560 has a burst gun in WoT but here its a trash gun with around 300 alpha and barely any special mechanic other than useless side troll armor.

[cinder shard]

It might be a little boring to play, but the tank is solid in my eyes. It has good armor, decent mobility, and is pretty flexible compared to most other Mediums of the same nation.

[unique scaffold]

I have another thing to bring.

Please buff the XP gain for Superheavies. Their point is to push the whole team and let them do tons of damage by being the Bulwark on the very front.

Even if i do crazy well with Mastery Badges i get like 900 xp in VK100.01.

Its a pain to get to mäuschen compared to getting WT auf PZ or E75.

Like i got those two in no time. This is a pain.

[craggy grove]

560? Is it not 590?

[craggy grove]

Yeah blocking damage should probably grant XP seeing as it is fulfilling the tanks role.

[unique scaffold]

Idk its buns either way

It has massive dmg in WoT

[craggy grove]

I think it would be fun if it was an autoreloader like in WoT, but would you be ready to have a 12, 15 or even 16 seconds reload for 300 alpha?

[unique scaffold]

Ofc lol as long as it gives me the burst

[craggy grove]

Almost 37s reload for just 900 damage. Might as well just play Astron at this point lol.

[unique scaffold]

Well i dont have astron, i have that Object. And its genuine trash compared to other mediums with similar mechanics.

[craggy grove]

It is way faster than a T-54 Mod.1, while also having better penetration and faster reload as well as better stabilisation and superior gun depression.

[unique scaffold]

Well its a Collector, look at Luchs having more HP on Tier 4 and better stats than the Leopard on 5.

All i want is that it fits its rep WoT, i dont mind reload

[craggy grove]

???

You are just wrong lol.

[unique scaffold]

I experienced it being better in battle but i guess i must be wrong

[craggy grove]

The only tank that can really compare to 590 out of all 280 alpha mediums are other hull down ones like AP AMX 30 or Nebulon, but both of them are slower and have weaker armor.

[unique scaffold]

I understand, i still find it very irritating that the Obj doesnt have the gun it should have. I genuinely freaked out when i got it from the snow globe hoping to find a tank that is to my liking.

The AP is also a lot faster

The Obj just doesnt have anything special about it, its not superfast not super good at damaging not great at anything really.

[cinder shard]

Tbf, "should have that gun" is subjective. Iirc Blitz had the tank before WoT Pc, so one could also say the one on Pc has the "wrong" gun. I honestly prefer the version we have in Blitz atm, since the Pc version doesn't really have anything going for it compared to other tanks at the Tier. Bad gun handling and horrible dpm just make it frustrating to play.

If it was to have an auto(re)loader with better stats in Blitz, it would just make it incredibly annoying to play against as well. A flexible medium with the ability to deal substantial damage relatively reliably in a short-ish time and also has great armor doesn't sound that healthy if you ask me.

[cinder shard]

The only other tank that comes to my mind and is sort of comparable would be the Vickers Mbt

[unique scaffold]

That basically described French tanks except for the great armor.

[craggy grove]

It has 320 gun though and is way slower, so not exactly the same but yes, pretty comparable. The cupola is way more pronounced too.

[craggy grove]

It is just an all round solid soviet medium, and honestly? I agree with you, I would love to see it get the 3.33s intraclip, 9/12/16s autoreloader. Sure, it might be able to clip you for 900 but it will leave you pretty vulnerable in return. To balance it out, they could nerf its armor so that the turret cheeks can be penetrated more easily, like on Astron or WZ.

[lyric gull]

WG, wonderful changes! Moving the Skoda T 27 to tier 9.... You are insane. Now the Skoda T 27 gets matchmaking with tier 10, it's wonderful to get hit by an FV 4005 or a JGPZ E100 for almost one's entire health, the gameplay is so much better. It's a shame you can't get destroyed in one shot, then a person wouldn't have to suffer so much in these tragic battles.... Move more tanks to tier 9, I'm sure the players will be happy.... You are only capable of annoying the community and the players with your stupid decisions. 😡

[craggy grove]

I agree, Skoda should not have been uptiered. It provided a good gameplay of a quick intraclip medium in tier 8 with fast autoloader reload.

[unique scaffold]

I eat away its hp in my dear Brunnhilde (VK100.01P)

So it was very unarmored even before that uptier

But gng i sure do love killing it in Tier 9

[craggy grove]

It is a medium.

[unique scaffold]

Best level 3 equipment row for Vk100?

[primal mauve]

this is my build for vk100

[naive hawk]

I would say, stabilizer are still pretty strong, it better where the tank need to aim. (Unlike leopard 1 pretty much don't need to aim)

Choose the longer consumable time because you got double repair.

Choose the defense system and the protective kit instead of small food. (You got enhanced-sandbag i am blind)

[cinder shard]

Which means it would mostly just out-compete those vehicles and is lacking their biggest weakness.

[primal mauve]

it’s just based on my somewhat common sense using refined gun on every single tanks for no reason

[naive hawk]

I feel like stabilizer is strong on any tank that need a time to aim though, like 183.

[unique scaffold]

Id use gun rammer too

[primal mauve]

vk100 to me doesn’t really have any issue of having ammorack or modules being weak so I just dont put protective kit

[stark wind]

Who even uses that garbage

[primal mauve]

the poors who don’t have vk 168 for gravity mode

either both of them are just tin boxes of over 120 tons

and I still need STG to be buffed it suffers super low dpm in t8 meds

[naive hawk]

I though it still have no sand-bag, so just use sand bag probably

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

Also petition to give AMX 50 B Shell Reload Boost or less intra-clip

[primal mauve]

prob it’s me loving +6% hp instead of 4% back in the days

[surreal violet]

basically unplayable gabage

[timber flume]

Dont be too aggressive then

Let others get hit then u slip out and catch them reloading

[surreal violet]

the thing is why is it 0mm? it barely make any sense

[timber flume]

Idk

I never noticed since I don't be aggressive in that kind of heavy anyways the reload can be exploited real quick

[surreal violet]

on the 152mm it have something but the 107mm have nothing

[surreal violet]

well the 107 have the most dpm out of all tier 6 ht so its not that bad lol

[rocky sentinel]

For just about every tank: refined, toolbox, and high end consumables.

[stark wind]

Cro blitzkit is just fan made website

[rocky sentinel]

Vstabs is flat worse. In EVERY way. Because refined makes your aiming circle a flat 15% smaller on move and 15% better base dispersion. Don’t believe me or think I’m wrong? Try it out, and Droodles has a in depth video on why Vstabs is pointless.

[surreal violet]

fanmade website is now verified by wargaming btw

[stark wind]

Yes but it's not wg's official website

[rocky sentinel]

It was to balance the vehicle without removing its play style, and WG probably wanted more tier nines because of the lack of them in the MM. But the pen needs to be buffed.

[signal dagger]

Yes because tier 9 is a dead tier

[rocky sentinel]

Unfortunately it is. My favorite tier to play though.

[craggy grove]

I think it is a mistake. Consider forwarding it to devs via moderation or filing a support ticket.

[marble willow]

Whattt the HE for its tier feels broken

[dry palm]

The enrichment bonus sounds great.

[scenic olive]

They need to make it like tier 8 with 1,000,000 premiums🤑🤑🤑

[signal dagger]

That why tanks are going up a tier

[timber flume]

T-2020 be getting eaten like an jaw breaker

[timber flume]

What about modern armor

I play that more than blitz actually when I have a chance

[surreal violet]

this and the rear of 4202 have 0mm despite having armor plate there

[muted rampart]

That's a website bug. It happened multiple times, report it and it will be fixed

[marble willow]

Is the Emil 1951 a good vehicle?

[timber flume]

Do you like being penned while even hull down?

If I remember correctly the armour is a tad bit weaker than the tech tree but a faster gun

I don't directly remember the gun half but the armour yea people will pen you easier

[marble willow]

Oh yeah ive seen the armor its terrible. Ammoracked one by just shooting the side armor

[marble willow]

Its probably going to he better off on the med flank. Frontal confrontations with other heavies will cook it even some t7 heavies with clips

[timber flume]

Be a rat in it

[marble willow]

Yup thats the plan

[clear flax]

Not anymore. The most interesting tanks are at tier 9 - atac, fve defender, kjpz lll jager, tiger maus all too expensive for me

[marble willow]

Id want to try out the fve defender. That autoloader looks fun

[timber flume]

I have these FVE

Better off shooting someone in the back or thee side

Even if you can shoot the front there's a great chance half will not pen

[marble willow]

Ah okay

You know when gravity comes im afraid ill be hit by one of those things going mach 2!

[timber flume]

@marble willow I can't say much there since I don't play gravity

[scarlet yarrow]

REMOVE SUPREMACY FROM GAME MODES THAT DONT EVEN NEED IT!!!!!!!

its dumb and it ruins the fun of the game mode

[timber flume]

@scarlet yarrow or add 10v10 permanently

[marble willow]

Im not sure if they patched it but in gravity you can launch your fve into other players using your guns recoil

[clear flax]

Do you think 4005 is more powerful now or when it was a 4 clip?

[tranquil cloud]

Remove supremacy from game mods

[marble willow]

Much stronger with the double

[clear flax]

[marble willow]

1300 in 4 seconds with reticle calibration

[craggy grove]

It is overall faster, gun does not bloom as much, and has less armor. It really changes the how the vehicle plays, but you can bounce weaker pen tier 8 heavies and mediums hull down.

[timber flume]

Might be the reason why I sold mine

[pastel dock]

A message to Wargaming balance department: could we please take another look at the Panther 8,8? Maybe it needs to drop to Tier 7 or something, because putting it side-by-side next to the Panther II [not even factoring in the P2’s INSANE armor in comparison], it just looks silly.

The Panther 8,8 literally looks like a Tier seven version of the Panther II, I think they need quite a bit more differentiation to make it worth selling/buying/playing.

[atomic shuttle]

What is the point of the Progetto 65 atp, 2.8k dpm max?

[meager sky]

Can we buff su101 armor

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

Also petition to give AMX 50 B Shell Reload Boost or less intra-clip

[marble willow]

Yeah its concerning how the only adv the 8,8 has is the reload despite having the same dpm 💀

[pastel dock]

Yeah…it makes me sad. At least they paid a little attention to it last update, but the T25 Pilot blows it out of the water now as far as similar T8 Prem mediums go, and these aren’t even the “good” ones lol. It needs some love and it needs to be more unique to the P2

[marble willow]

Yeah idk what the devs were on when they decided to basically double its frontal armor (the pilot). They should have at least kept the p2s damage the same

[marble willow]

Dpm doesnt tell you whether a tank is good or not. The prog has a autoreloader, troll armor, very nice clipping potential

[wheat heron]

Why i cant play today? What is wrong with my account, all my tanks are slow and i cant recoil? Game is so slow, what is problem?

[meager sky]

can we buff the obj268 armor please?

[marble willow]

No

The obj 268 despite being boring is quite balanced

[uneven turtle]

Both it’s collector brothers can do the same thing with better armor and better damage output

[pastel dock]

^

[marble willow]

I dont know I just like the progs gun better than the other two. Its also less sluggish than the lion and has a faster intraclip than the two which feels so good

[uneven turtle]

Only 0.33s faster than carro and lion

Lion trades mobility for armor( but still pretty much same top speed )

Carro just has everything except acceleration which in truth isn’t as bad as people make it out to be

While carro and lion also has armor that isn’t troll and carro having actual turret armor when hulldown

Prog has just been shunned to the side completely by the devs, personally the biggest hit it took was when it’s final shell causes u to lose dpm, it formerly gained dpm by dumping its clip

[twin egret]

All it's got was some lousy buffs that just makes the turret stronger against tier 7's and a dpm buff, and it still has gun characteristics in a few aspects that are hardly different from the Panther II. Sure it has special consumables but they hardly help the tank. Tungsten exists but only boosts alpha to 253 for 15-20 seconds to deal 13 more damage than the Panther II. Improved Speed Boost only helps for reverse speed, Panther II goes 60 already. Reactive armor is the only thing that probably helps the tank. Like ngl panther 8,8 just lacks in almost every category vs the Panther II

[uneven turtle]

Yes the prog is still a good mt

But it has no outstanding traits over its sister tanks

It should been at the very least, prog being the fastest which while it is when it comes to acceleration, carro and lion can match its top speed quite quickly anyway

The lion should have been the glass cannon with the best damage output when using tungsten, but now it got some mildly decent turret armor which brings it more towards a middle ground of hulldown and damage farming tank

Then we have carro which has a 4 shot autoreloader that still has the highest alpha of the 3 at 360 while having 3k+ dpm on its first shell while getting gear oil that lets it reach the same top speed as both other Italian autoreloader WHILE ALSO getting an actually strong turret when hulldown

[marble willow]

0.33 is a big difference though. But yeah i agree, ever since wg decided to buff both the lion and the carros intraclip and turret armor the progs been suffering. And by all means that doesnt make the prog useless you just need to be more careful

[uneven turtle]

They need to return prog’s dpm gain when clip dumping to already give it a difference in play style to the other two tanks and also buff up its top speed to 58-60

Carro getting the most out of its first shell

Lion getting the most out of its second shell

Prog getting the most out of its third shell

[marble willow]

Or they could just give it tungsten lol

[uneven turtle]

Or we could not resort to giving a tank super consumables as a way to balance cus that’s just lazy and it only serves a temporary boost after which it’ll return to be the same state it has always been in

[marble willow]

You should definitely bring that up to the devs. Temporary or not it resets

[marble willow]

Did you check for packet loss?

[wheat heron]

No did not 🙄

[pastel dock]

Agreed

[meager sky]

How

[marble willow]

It doesnt have game breaking armor. Has a very strong gun. Playing it feels like a time capsule when tanks were more balanced

[meager sky]

Its like a grille but with less dpm

[marble willow]

No there are some things the 268 can do that the grille cannot

[meager sky]

Like?

[marble willow]

Like be a frontline support. Or being better at trading shots with heavies

[meager sky]

taking shot* it dont have any armor

[naive hawk]

268 have like -7 gun DP, high alpha damage and really good camou.

268 could take some hit though, but grille you must really aware for that because 960 * 0.8 is still really huge.

[marble willow]

But it does have armor! Not the best but it will give you bounces. Also it seems you dont understand what frontline support is. Youre not going to be sitting in front of your heavies with a 268

[clear flax]

The TS60 needs an armor buff both lower and upper plate. Angling the hull doesn’t work and anything can pen the front upper plate at close range. Also it needs reticle cali like the grille

[vague fiber]

I';m losing braincelsl reading this channel every day

[primal mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952462454447829005/1461275291790999552/RDT_20260115_0520004344372653360059761.gif

[vague fiber]

see, i cant even type straight anymore

[clear flax]

The buff from tier 8 to tier 9 was not enough

[clear flax]

It’s suppose to be an armored front line td but as the armor doesn’t work I have to stay far in the back. One hit and the chance of engine damage or fire is so high

Also there are times when you need to snap your shots so the need for reticle cali

[marble willow]

You shouldnt be playing it like a heavy

[clear flax]

How should it be played? It is slow moving like a jagdpanzer

I thought it was like a jag where I would push up with the heavies but the armor doesn’t work

[naive hawk]

Doesn't it armor is place at autoricochet angle?

Also every tank doesn't need to be OP, Ts-60 is good (or mid) enough.

[marble willow]

Play it like a frontline support. Dont be at the fore front since your hp is poor

[clear flax]

As I said before angling doesn’t work. Not trying to make it op but enough armor like the rest of tier 9 heavies

[naive hawk]

I mean, it ufp is really strong.

[clear flax]

As I say again u can’t even be frontline support. When I first got it this is what I tried to do and the armor was like butter

No choice but to be in the back with the grille

Have u even played this tank?

[naive hawk]

My brother play? I literally see him play. The armor is not that bad.

[clear flax]

Try it yourself bro and then tell me

[naive hawk]

He said, it was not that bad. Actually. You keep comparing it to HT while ignoring how nuch DPM it actually has.

It may not be as Tanky as HT, but at the same time no HT have same amount of DPM it actually has.

[marble willow]

Yes i have, ive never seen someone complain so much about a tank that has great armor and a great gun for its tier. If youre overangling its obv your going to get penned. It has decent gun dep so try and use ridges at best you can.

On flat ground or really up close yes youll get penned. Every tank needs a balancing factor

[naive hawk]

It may not be the best tank, but as I said it doesn't need to be the best.

[clear flax]

Yes it does have decent gun depression but your statement about over angling is incorrect. The truth is you can’t angle it at all that’s why it needs a lower plate buff. I’m complaining because I paid for it not becuz it was free!

[naive hawk]

Almost any tank could be pen by lower plate.?

[clear flax]

Again have you played this tank yourself?

[clear flax]

Not if angled properly but that also depends upon tank and opponent gun pen

[marble willow]

Just played a match holding a tight sidescrape and bounced tons of shells in a t10-9 battle

[clear flax]

Please send me a replay

Or post it on YouTube and send me the link

[naive hawk]

Nah, almost any tank could be pen by lower plate,

Is-4, Is-6, T110E5 , T110E3, T110E4, E100.

So your point.?

[clear flax]

Not true if amgled correctly the lower plate cannot be penned

[naive hawk]

Then you are just new player if you literally made that statement.

[marble willow]

This statement already is false. Are you rating its armor when a fv or ho ri is looking at it?

[naive hawk]

I don't understand how could angling with E5 and not get pen by LFP

Oh wait, E5 is a heavium. How about E3 "super heavy"?.

Get pen by LFP!

[marble willow]

Yes it has a turret ring but its not massive. if you sidescrape steep enough you can reliably bounce shells

[naive hawk]

He want a TS-60 LFP angling and be red.

If you want Ts-60 Lfp to be red.

Look at T95, look what it need sacrifice to achieve that "goal" to not be completely Overpowered.

[marble willow]

Overall though the best ways to play it through finding a way angle your front (using dun dep) or find opportunistic areas in the frontline. If you are so afraid of getting shot, stay back not too far behind your heavies or so mini flank. But non flat terrain will always he your ally

[naive hawk]

The humble track wheel:

[prisma jetty]

lower side is penetrable here

[naive hawk]

Your example will be better of using Type 71.

Which have unreliable LFP to be pen.

But type 71 UFP is just weaker than TS-60 tier by tier.

[clear flax]

Are you talking about that rear portion?

[prisma jetty]

I’m talking about the entire lower side lol

[clear flax]

But it’s all red

[naive hawk]

He basically mean there, easy track wheel

[prisma jetty]

Not the lower side

[naive hawk]

Plus anyone running calibrated shell now. So

[prisma jetty]

Same angle, entire lower side is green

[clear flax]

And if you hit that green side you can damage not just track damage?

[prisma jetty]

Yes, that’s what the green means lmao

[clear flax]

With a t100 gun

[naive hawk]

Yeah, same with T100 gun. Your point? Almost any tank have LFP weakness. use your skill to cover it

[naive hawk]

See ?, It all red.

[naive hawk]

Use calibrated shell mate, and enhanced armor.

[prisma jetty]

Oh wow, a low pen tank can’t penetrate a super heavy from the front, who would’ve guessed

[naive hawk]

The irony is, it can. He just don't use Cali shell.

[clear flax]

My point is the ts60 should also have a lower plate buff

[prisma jetty]

TS60 doesn’t need a lower plate buff, it’s fine as is

[naive hawk]

Seriously, you are probably don't know what the calibrated shell is

[clear flax]

So when it is angled it should be red from the t100

[prisma jetty]

Why?

[clear flax]

Because it’s slow moving it’s not fast like a grille

[prisma jetty]

But it has good armor everywhere but the lower plate, while still maintaining a good gun

[naive hawk]

He debate me wether the tank have almost all weakness on LFP or not, despite the slow tank.

So Ts-60 could get the buff.

He just, wrong.

[slate talon]

what app is this

[naive hawk]

Armour inspector

Download
@slate talon

[slate talon]

do you have to download it or is it broswer

[prisma jetty]

Both, it’s an app but also can be used through the webpage

[atomic shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/hampter-spoon-gif-3742262123079475008

[slate talon]

thanks

[naive hawk]

Go, have more experience before having the meaningful discussion.

[clear flax]

Let me be fair and also say that I’m very happy with the wz114 that I got from the lunar event with its great armor, alpha on the gun and reactive. No complaints about this tank

[clear flax]

[naive hawk]

Although wz114 have more HP and higher alpha. It DPM and pen literally a mile behind away from TS-60.

Armor? It debatable. It quite similar

[clear flax]

U know I just want to be fair and say that the wz114 cost me a fraction of the gold that the ts60 cost me yet my performance is better in the wz114. Yes the ts60 has the dpm but my point is that it is not enough but I guess I’m the only one who feels this way

[naive hawk]

Cost of tank doesn't really matter in this game,

1. Is-5 is literally cost a fraction of T54mod1 and look what it does. Wg could decide to do whatever they want.
   Cost is a bad argument

2. It normal that new-player tend to be better in heavy tank because it have low-skill floor. But it doesn't mean it have high skill ceiling.

You could probably do better in IS-7 than in Fv4005 if you are a new player.

But it doesn't mean Fv4005 are worse than Is-7 (it fact it does better if you know what you are doing), it just harder to play.

[twin egret]

Ngl I'd rather drive an e 75 over the wz-114 if I were a beginner

[marble willow]

The wz has reactive and an arguably better turret despite the hatch

[scarlet yarrow]

Remove Supremacy from Fun Modes that do NOT need it at all, like Mad Games, it ruins the fun of the game mode

[twin egret]

wdym it's funny winning the game in 2 minutes

[marble willow]

Yeah the fv despite being a menace is very noob unfriendly. There are a lot of ways you can manipulate it in battle and a lot of ways you can die

[primal mauve]

I got 1 battle finishing in 1 minute

[craggy grove]

It has reactive armor with 2543 HP at tier 9? Sounds like it can take a little while to kill. How good is its module hp?

[craggy grove]

Why does Lansen C have 10 second reload?

[clear flax]

I got it from the lunar event. Very satisfied with it

Reactive saves me all the time

[cinder basin]

Tier 8 standard rule
The bigger your caliber, the longer the reload

Also the alpha dmg affect too

[clear flax]

Have you played it? I have it on gun rammer and the reload is relatively fast. I don’t use adrenaline

[craggy grove]

I have, it is pretty sluggish for how little armor it has and its reload is longer than tanks that actually have armor with like Vickers.

[primal mauve]

m4a1 Revalorise deals 350 and reloads roughly 9s iirc

[clear flax]

Which vickers are you referring to?

[craggy grove]

My bad, forgot 590 is actually 280 and not 320 like it is on PC. Still, half a second longer reload than Vickers.

[primal mauve]

mbt mk3 at tier 8 since its the only med with vicker name

[sullen copper]

Dont worry MBT will be updtiered like Tornvagn soon. (leaks say so)

[clear flax]

I found it to be quite responsive good alpha and so fast of a reload I didn’t feel the need to use adrenaline

It was a good purchase via just splinters

[craggy grove]

Reva does not have any armor what so ever to compensate for that though and is much taller, but yeah. They should buff Lansens reload or mobility.

[craggy grove]

Basically a bargain, but that does not mean that the tank is really good.

[craggy grove]

Can you DM me what stats would it have according to said leaks?

[clear flax]

I found it to be really good. Are you equipped with extra engine power?

[primal mauve]

true, and the armour is it fallback for jack of all trades gun imo

[sullen copper]

That ain't leaked yet, sadly.

[primal mauve]

it’s in tier 9 in reforged so

[sullen copper]

I hope it turns out like Torn not E 75 TS.
Cuz its a nice tank in T8

[craggy grove]

It is a pretty reliable medium currently.

[primal mauve]

STG needs buffs in terms of penetration and dpm it falls back pretty a lot compared to nowadays t8 battles

[cinder basin]

Reload buff
Nerf alpha dmg

[craggy grove]

It seems to have same treatment as E 75 TS sadly, 8.8s reload and 330 alpha in tier 9, does not seem to have any armor buffs 🥀

[craggy grove]

why? it is pretty balanced as is gun wise, I would buff its mobility if anything.

[midnight rapids]

50tp has worst gun ever

[primal mauve]

pretty struggled to be on parr with other hulldown meds in t9 prob needs a little buff on the gun

[primal mauve]

the gun has really good accuracy and aiming yet the penetration seems to copy a tier 7 gun 🥀

[craggy grove]

I have mixed feelings about tier VIIIs getting uptiered like that. They should rather get TS-60 treatment.

[craggy grove]

What I mean is, keep their playstyle but buff them so they can maintain it at the new tier. Do not radically change them like Tornvagn.

[midnight rapids]

Skoda t27 premium pen sucks

[cinder basin]

Don't expect anything from premium tank

[craggy grove]

MBT-B is pretty alright.

[cinder basin]

That heavy
Very balanced

[placid kestrel]

I mean mbt b is one of those that don't make sense at tier 9

[craggy grove]

How so?

[placid kestrel]

Should've been tier 10

[craggy grove]

Because it is on PC?

[placid kestrel]

Like kpz. Just tech, appearance wise.

[naive hawk]

Feel like Kpz70 tier 10 is justified.

[placid kestrel]

Yes

[craggy grove]

Kpz 70 could easily be tier XI with 6s reload for 152mm gun and 1500hp engine.

[naive hawk]

So which tank do you guy think should get uptier because historical context

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

Also petition to give AMX 50 B Shell Reload Boost or less intra-clip

[terse beacon]

Amx 50b is already really strong that is a horrible idea

[obsidian socket]

I mean the T57H has shell reload boost

[craggy grove]

Probably Obj. Kust, T77 and Type 63.

[craggy grove]

It is not nearly as fast, does not have as good gun handling and has less alpha.

[terse beacon]

T57 is nowhere near as good as 50b is currently

[obsidian socket]

wow, well surprisingly both T57 and 50B are in the bottom of the tier10s heavyes performance, on BlitzKit

[craggy grove]

That short intraclip and troll armour are really nice but I agree.

[obsidian socket]

but that could be explained for people not exploiting the tank's strenghts

[terse beacon]

Well 50b is one of the stronger t10 heavies so yes it is

[obsidian socket]

👍

[cinder basin]

MBT-B and Vicker MBT

[craggy grove]

Get on reforger.

[next elbow]

Because the blitz playerbase sucks on avg

[unique scaffold]

Murat seem bad...

[snow violet]

yeeeeee tornvagn got too OP...

[obsidian socket]

idk what you tolkien about it's a fun tank

[rocky sentinel]

Or you are just not playing it correctly. Maybe that’s why.

[unique scaffold]

Idk I'm trying to play it and be better a lot, but can't do anything with it, I can't get good games

[unique scaffold]

It's perfectly possible

[obsidian socket]

it's tricky because you need to expose only the turret which means poking a rich line from above not from the sides, which is tricky aswell because it means you expose to potentially multiple tanks

[rocky sentinel]

But the morat is hard to play as well because it’s big.

[obsidian socket]

so is very map dependant to get the correct hills and not too steep ones

[unique scaffold]

Was a bit my problem. I find it hard to clutch with also

[obsidian socket]

yeah you need to get the most when teammates are alive. Also play with someone behind you is best, so enemies don't try to rush you

[elfin raft]

When will BZ-74-1 get a buff? It's not a good tank at all

[obsidian socket]

Chinese heavy tanks 101.
(Aside from WZ-113)

[marble willow]

Module hp is kind of meh. Its a sacrifice you have to make running a single large repair kit

[empty burrow]

Can we get a buff on ammo rack on the Leopard 1. Tired of getting ammoracked consistently

[marble willow]

Honestly i wouldnt mind that lol

[hollow wind]

Where can I report map bugs? I shot under the truck twice and hit an invisible hitbox.

I assume that the destroyed truck hitbox is always there which causes this. Kind of annoying that this is a thing.

[marble willow]

Im not sure exactly where to post bug reports hopefully someone sees this and passes it on

[marble willow]

The grille 15s gun feels spectacular. I understand why they had to give it apcr standard

[craggy grove]

Have you tried running protection kit?

[clear flax]

In this update every tank that I have has been ammo racked at least once

protective kit is now mandatory on all tanks that I have when it wasn’t before 🙁

[light pewter]

Annihilator needs DPM nerf and DMG per shoot nerf

[naive hawk]

True

[craggy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-like-that-will-happen-gif-14783019212194612503

[light pewter]

Go watch Droodles Blitz

[craggy grove]

Why? You are delulu if you think WG would nerf the tank everyone gambles and empties their wallets for the moment word is in the air.

[stark wind]

Fr

[light pewter]

Cause Droodles Blitz is posting truth
Annihilator is completely OP and it needs nerf

[craggy grove]

I do agree it should be nerfed, maybe put alpha at around 180 per shot at least, giving it 2.2k dpm stock given the caliber is 80mm and 82mm gun on Hafen does 190, but realistically the moon has to fall down for WG to nerf Annihilator. And I do not need to watch content slop creators that you eat pile after pile of content off their shovel.

[naive hawk]

Yeah, like that ever gonna happen but I agree.

[stark wind]

It can't penetrate if the tank has little armor. It doesn't needs nerf and we don't care about youtubers

[craggy grove]

You need to have as little as 2 braincells to realize that it is the strongest tank in the game tier per tier, and yet you here exalt the youtuber for speaking out the obvious stuff.

[light pewter]

It needs nerf cause it's completely OP
It has so much DPM for Tier VII

[craggy grove]

🍿

[naive hawk]

I mean, anni is OP. But it isn't as obvious because Tier 7 rarely play by competent player

But WG not gonna do about it so

[light pewter]

That's why are you poor and skill issue
Go and watch Droodles Blitz

[stark wind]

https://tenor.com/view/point-gif-2450101530054484962

[naive hawk]

Calm down, I think you need some experience in tier 7 and express the opinion yourself rather than refer to Youtuber and think he is right.

[light pewter]

Why is he right for starting with insults

[hushed token]

Yes, Anni deverses a big nerf that is no doubt . But tier 7 is a whole mess already so I don't think they would nerf it soon

[naive hawk]

Yeah, probably. Gtg i guess

[stark wind]

I want to say something but I'll gonna break the rule of shaming so I'll just ignore you

[light pewter]

You started first with arguments and insults

[wintry spruce]

Its kinda sad that low tiers are basicly less enjoyable to play because of mainly those 2 completly broken tanks named before.

[craggy grove]

What is the other one? Smasher, Forest Witch, Gravedigger?

[wintry spruce]

Smasher & Anni.
Grave is not OP because you can easily outtrade/ outplay it. This tank performs only if it manage to hit and pen all shots.

[atomic shuttle]

smasher and annihilator should become tier 8 tanks with only hp buffs maybe even overall nerfs

[stark wind]

The worst idea I've ever seen. Do you have any idea of their penetration stats??

[atomic shuttle]

yes? do you?

[stark wind]

I don't think you do

[atomic shuttle]

smasher with it's famously low HEAT pen, ok

[wintry spruce]

Smasher has HE. It doesnt care on which tier it stays.

[arctic elbow]

Buff the maus armour and vk72

[stark wind]

Okay just show me a proof that you have those tanks

[atomic shuttle]

show me proof you have them, who are you exactly?

[wintry spruce]

or just nerf calibrated shells 🤷‍♂️

[arctic elbow]

And buff wz113

[atomic shuttle]

the main issue with smasher is the gun is way too accurate for a tier 7, more or less a tier 9 td at tier 7, also it has 3 good shell types

they could nerf annihilators armour so it's more like a US ht wrt the turret, make the lower half weaker, but they are sadly too greedy to balance lower tiers

[stark wind]

Ur turn

[atomic shuttle]

I've never played anni because i don't want that trash on my stats

[stark wind]

Don't cut parts. Just show whole so I can know it's urs and where's anni

[atomic shuttle]

yeah give me an entire list of stuff to do for you, a person I don't know on the internet, great conversation

it doesn't show anni if you sell it for gold

[stark wind]

It still shows Anni if you have it and never played

[stark wind]

Brotato just accept you don't own them do you? 😭😭

[wintry spruce]

Still broken asf

[stark wind]

If they made 30/60$ tanks balanced then they wouldn't be able to make money

[wintry spruce]

Maybe not. At least there is a T7 techtree tank that can dominate T7 aswell. Its Tiger 1.

[cinder tulip]

Pls nerf the bt 5 p

[craggy grove]

Bt-5p?

[craggy grove]

30/60? Smasher and Anni were sold for 10$ in halloween though no?

[remote pawn]

The hell is a bt 5 p

[muted rampart]

Smasher no, smasher was first sold for like 30€ and then only ever came back in crates

[craggy grove]

Ahh I see, I thought all tier VII halloween tanks were first sold in an event subscription/battlepass type for 10$, except T6 Dracula and Helsing H0 of course.

[muted rampart]

That's not true.

Subscription model only came into the game alongside Lycan in i believe 2019.

All previous haloween tanks (Gravedigger, Predator, Vindicator, Tankenstein, Hellsing, Dracula) were obtainable via event for free.

Smasher on the other hand is just not a haloween tank at all

[craggy grove]

Well, Predator and Vindicator were collab tanks, no?

But yeah you could obtain them for free. The fort map was also changed to Ultramarine caslte, Maccrag I believe, which was also pretty cool.

[muted rampart]

They are haloween tanks, released during haloween event in 2017.

They are collab tanks, but they came into the game in a free haloween event

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

[fringe egret]

Speaking of Credit coefficient, the 114 SP2 needs to have its own increased to be on par with other tanks. From whatever reason it earns the same as tech tree tanks despite being a collector

[torpid sigil]

The E50 really needs a buff on the armor and pen
The panter ll got buff so why not the E50

[stark wind]

I don't remember smasher but Anni was 10 dollars and it was 60 dollars later with crates. I just realized it's 10 not 30 lol

[craggy grove]

So what is the best tank in the game was as little as 10$. Banging my head so hard because I did not get it.

[stark wind]

Dunno nowadays good tanks are expensive😔

[marble willow]

Does switching shell type affect module damage? Blitzkit also for some reason does not show increased module damage for adrenaline

[stark wind]

I think yeah

[vague fiber]

nah just nerf them and keep them in the tier

[vague fiber]

No it doesn't. Adrenaline doesn't increase module dmg, it just increases the chance to HIT a module along with the crew skill, tungsten increases module dmg tho

[placid kestrel]

It doesn't for active things.
But module damage should stay the same across all ammo types

It's just caliber based.
HE doesn't give any more module damage.
HE just makes so you can hit more modules since everything within the radius of the explosion is affected.
That's how you can put a 4005 on fire while shooting the turret with HE.
The explosion range reaches the fuel tank.

[marble willow]

Alright I see. It would be nice to see different shell types deal different module dmg.

[placid kestrel]

No we wouldn't

You didn't think this through.
HE would be OP.
183 already has the most module damage in the game.
buffed HE module damage would ve liking guaranteeing a fire or ammor rack every HE shot

[marble willow]

Im talking about AP and APCR not HE. Those two have the more obvious differences. But I understand why that also wouldnt be the best idea since i assume wg swap shell types for balancing too.

[vague fiber]

that would be pretty dumb

[marble willow]

We already explained why it would be dumb make sure to read the full covo

[marble willow]

Unfortunately, there are people out there who have hundreds, if not thousands of battles in that tank 😫

[meager sky]

can we like buff the wz 132 1 ?

[marble willow]

Heck no

[meager sky]

why?

[marble willow]

I must ask you to explain why specifically you want it buffed

[meager sky]

its like a he box and mid dpm when its a light. .

[marble willow]

All light tanks are HE boxes. Its DPM isnt mid for a light tank its above average. I was sad when they took away the view range though.

[meager sky]

yeah but the rhm and the leopard are definetely better that just sad and all light solo it its so bad bruh and dont even have any ability that really sets it apart from the others lights tank

[marble willow]

Imo the rhm and leopard hare harder to play. They are larger, have less camo and easier to HE. The Wz features spaced armor on the sides and the turret and is more mobile. I do like ther leos gun more but of the two, the Wz has AP standard which makes it less likely to lose pen over a distance and ricochet.

[meager sky]

easier to HE?

And it only have 232 mm of pen (some viii even have better gun💀 ) and the t100lt literally solo it

[marble willow]

Run calibrated

[meager sky]

like all light

[marble willow]

Im curious have you played those three vehicles before? Because from what youre telling me you dont seem to understand how any of them are supposed to be played

[naive hawk]

Leopard 1 definitely deserve a rework so it does not outshined light.

Remove adaptive camouflage, and even retical calibrate and give it -9 depression

Srsly, leopard 1 does not need retical calibrated but okay

[marble willow]

The leo is a medium. If youre fighting it in a light tank youre more or less going to lose the 1v1. I do agree reticle calibration is strong esp with rammer but it doesnt make the leo op. Removing adaptive maybe could work but i dont think that is necessary

[naive hawk]

The only thing wz131 was better than leopard was camou on move.

I don't think, having much lower DPM, less accurate gun, less gun depression and slightly less alpha and HP will justified the only advantage of better camou on move.

If you give leopard 1 -9 gun dp back, and remove the adaptive camouflage, then.

Wz131 will have adaptive camou adavantage back so it will not get obviously outshined.

[marble willow]

We are talking abt the 132-1

[naive hawk]

Yeah, I think I mean that tank, I just forget "-1"

[terse beacon]

It's a high skill based tank I see No reason to rework it

Besides pzw is better than Leo is currently, wouldn't say it outshines lights just because 132 isn't anything crazy

[marble willow]

Imo the rhm is a little harder to play than the leo

[marble willow]

Its better if you compare the leo to tanks like the lion or carro. Those are medium tanks unlike the wz which is a light.

[naive hawk]

It would still be a high skill base tank if we get the gun dp back though.

And maybe give 132-1 some point to play back because i don't think buffing 132-1 directly would be a good idea consider powercrept problem.

Light -Rhm compare current Leo is a bit iffy because it depends how much you value each stat, it does not that obvious and that how the Tank or character should be balanced.

Maybe you value tracer shell and camou on move over the more accurate gun.

Or you value passively faster than actively be faster. (Gear oil vs super-boosted)

[terse beacon]

It really doesn't depend, Leo is one of my favourite t10s in the game, pzw is just a more impactful tank currently

And I really don't see anything wrong with buffing 132, doesn't even need anything above a minor buff either way

[naive hawk]

If anything I would value buffing tank as the last-resort because it will eventually enter vicious cycle of powercrept but fair enough.

[terse beacon]

Except that isn't really true since wg main way of balancing t10 nowadays Is a major rebalance update end of the year

For tiers like t8 powercreep is much more prevalent

[naive hawk]

Maybe you mean WG doctrine keep game play "interesting" is to change the dynamic of vehicle, (but I still don't like how powercrept does)

And yes Tier 8 is a mess

[obtuse rover]

Good changes

[obtuse rover]

I miss old leo1 gun depression

[primal mauve]

7 gun depression feels off on Leopard 1

[waxen geode]

Opinions on Object 590?

[high swift]

Was the 4 shell gun on bc 25 t always 2.0 sec?

[obtuse rover]

Nope it was previously 2.2

[high swift]

Its so op now

[solid hedge]

Fix the T28 already bruh, Its so unplayable now

[thorny timber]

It's nice, one of the more armored meds in t8 and pretty much no med can beat it in hulldown

[clear flax]

I think the hwk 12 should become a 2 shot auto loader like the S P I C

[waxen geode]

Thank you.

[wispy adder]

No, i dont want people to pay attention to it. It'a already good enough🥀

[meager sky]

T28 is op for its tier BRUH

[naive hawk]

They already fix?

[clear flax]

[humble meteor]

The Obj 777 II explodes easily, like it's been ambushed. I have consecutive matches where the tank explodes on the second shot. It doesn't matter what equipment I equip it with. I'm thinking of selling the tank because in one out of every three matches it explodes on the first or second shot, ruining the gameplay experience. It's a shame because the tank is good, but it's garbage because of this bug.

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

[obtuse rover]

can be a 2nd gun wid less dpm jus to make it have variety

[terse beacon]

No just buff the tank normally, being an autoloader doesn't fit with the line at all

[soft void]

Please buff the pen on T-34 2 the fact that I cant pen the side of a K-2 and IS-5 on flat ground is ridiculous

[marble willow]

A pen buff would be nice lol

[marble willow]

Heck no an autoloader would make it busted

[twin egret]

I think it should weigh less for what it is

[clear flax]

[clear flax]

Then why does the s p i c have a 2 shot?

[terse beacon]

It was released years before pzw was anywhere close to being in the game. Turning hwk into an autoloader now makes 0 sense

[clear flax]

I think the two tanks are related that’s why I say hwk should be like sp

[clear flax]

Busted at tier 9 isn’t bad. Look at how busted atac is at tier 9

[hollow wind]

ATAC is mid, you get your funny clip off sometimes if the enemy isn't paying attention. Shell velocity relegates it to closer range which isn't always feasible.

[marble willow]

Exactly, atac sucks at trading shells and suffers against tds

[marble willow]

You have to expose yourself for a long time to get your clip out

[clear flax]

Not too different from Amx 13 57. It all depends on what you like and I like 13 57 much more than Amx defender

[primal mauve]

give STG HEAT as its premium shells with 245mm base pen

[clear flax]

I would get the atac if it sold for 10k gold

[empty burrow]

Why does the AMX 54 at tier X roll below 400 at 450 alpha?

[glad flower]

because thats just the alpha damage

[empty burrow]

Yea but 4 in a row?

[glad flower]

happens

[empty burrow]

I never roll as low as often in tanks with 400 alpha

[uneven turtle]

What do you want us to say

[glad flower]

okay so? almost like its rng

[empty burrow]

Why isn’t the minimum damage increased?

[glad flower]

why would it be??

[empty burrow]

Because it has 50 more alpha and only has 38 more minimum damage than a tank with 400

[glad flower]

soooo?????

[hushed token]

Does he know that RNG make you roll -25%/+25% of your average dmg?

[glad flower]

clearly not

[empty burrow]

Why wasn’t I informed about this?

[hollow wind]

Might be because you haven't looked at the ammo very much, it shows the penetration range and the damage range when you pick how much of each ammo type you take.

[marble willow]

Im waiting to get the anthem camo for it. Just take my gold lol

[marble willow]

Just wait until you find out about the aiming reticle

[clear flax]

I’m just waiting for it to no longer sell in crates

[marble willow]

Thats would be the dream. Thats basically me with the nemesis. Opened 23 containers and never got it yet

[clear flax]

Didn’t it take the Lorraine 50t 11 months to finally just sell for 10k gold in the store when it was only available in crates and it usually cost $200? I can wait 🤩

[marble willow]

Lol what a tragedy. Its a good vehicle with tungsten. The amx mle 54 made me suffer though. The accuracy and aimtime killed it for me

[nimble zodiac]

If only Lorraine 50t had any hull armor

[stark wind]

Somua sm already has hull armor no?

[thorny timber]

Meh doesn't matter much since people will majorly whack the turret instead

[craggy grove]

Blitzkit shows module damage for different shells.

[craggy grove]

Somua SM does not have good turret armor and is a whole different tank?

[stark wind]

They look similar

[craggy grove]

❌

[stark wind]

Idk it has good turret armor in wot maybe it's different in wotb

[craggy grove]

🥀

[stark wind]

Nvm

[craggy grove]

That comically big cupola 💔

Meanwhile chad swedish heavium lmao

[marble willow]

Shells or caliber? Because all shell types deal the same whej caliber is kept constant ona vehicle

[craggy grove]

Shells, in comparison it shows module damage.

It is curious though because HESH shells clearly crit more often despite having same module damage. Maybe the difference is that HE/HESH shells have higher module crit chance?

[marble willow]

Idrk. Someone told me they had a splash radius effect on the modules so more modules can be damaged from 1 shell.

Ap shells travel in a line so whatever modules that intersects it can get damaged

[remote oriole]

If an AP shall fails a module crit check (each module has a certain percentage of being damaged) it simply disappears

Meanwhile HE shells technically do the same, with the important difference that upon impact the shell explodes into many smaller shells - fragments, if you want - which then individually attempt to penetrate the tank‘s armour (if the main shell didn‘t already) and then individually hit modules and trigger module crit checks

That being said, a module crit check being successful only means that module damage is applied, not that the module is necessarily destroyed

Now the specifics of this mechanic are largely unknown (and maybe the HE mechanic is entirely different, there is currently no good way to verify), but regardless that is the main reason why HE can damage multiple modules while AP usually fails to do so

[marble willow]

Nice okay thanks

[vague fiber]

Are u dumb? He and hesh crits more often cuz it splashes but doesnt actually apply the full module dmg

CAN you look in the store

does that make a difference

[craggy grove]

Kpz 50t, Obj 752, TS-60, Obj 590, Vickers MBT, Emil 1951, Caernavorn Defender, Defender Mk.1, Titan H-ND and Titan Charioteer.

If you cannot get on and check yourself, why bother asking?

[glad flower]

No need to call him dumb, not everyone knows everything brod

[marble willow]

Some people like that tend to use discord as pseudo therapy to vent. Best ignore them during their tantrum fit

[vague fiber]

[marble willow]

Lol

[molten osprey]

Question. My damage gets reduced from in game display by around 50% on scoreboard. Only in burning games regular is fine. The burn your health in the game but they burn final score too?? Every game bar none. Seems off to me. This happening to anyone else

[vague fiber]

well known bug on dmg counter

[molten osprey]

Thanks for reply. It’s frustrating but not much I can do about it. Appreciate it.

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

[real rivet]

Hi everyone

About the T28 Defender, it has great potential, but right now it feels very frustrating to play. The gun dispersion and low penetration make it unreliable — even fully aimed shots miss often, and many important shots bounce off same-tier or even lower-tier tanks.

The 6.7s reload between shots also makes the autoloader feel pretty weak in practice. For a mythical defender needs some balance adjustments, it feels like it’s falling behind newer tanks and struggling to compete.

Do you agree?

[vague fiber]

No

[zenith dew]

bro is delulu

[warped sable]

nerf the torn

nerf the barn

nerf defender mk1 once that THING becomes a collector

nerf progetto 65 cuz funny

oh and buff the caliban accuracy

[lime spruce]

can we increase top speed on WZ blaze, pls.

[hushed token]

Nerf leopard's gun depression for the meme

[warped sable]

nah lets nerf the t62 again

[signal dagger]

What’s wrong with the defender Mk.1 ?

[vague fiber]

Who asked for a prog nerf or caliban buff

[warped sable]

i hate it

[warped sable]

me smh

also wg loves nerfing the prog

[signal dagger]

That definitely doesn’t make the list to nerf it

[marble willow]

They should give the rhm borsig more engine power

[primal mauve]

true prob like moving as quickly as panzer 4 because rn it’s slow like a tractor

[marble willow]

Indeed

[signal dagger]

Especially sense the tank has no armor

[primal mauve]

also topspeed needs buffs to 40kph

[warped sable]

its absolutely valid because defender mk1 players dont deserve anything nice

[craggy grove]

It has very good clip gun and very good turret armor with good gun depression and mobility.

[signal dagger]

Well if that the case then the smasher, annihilator make the list. Do I need to list more?

[uneven turtle]

By all means

[warped sable]

yes

[signal dagger]

Here’s more for you. Type 5, FV215 183, KV-2. I can list all the popular tanks even if the tank is balanced. It will never happen because I will be here all day. Tanks are balance enough for now and the Mk 1 is balanced.

[primal mauve]

buff stg premium pen more by using heat 225mm base to 240mm

[warped sable]

type 5 isnt all bad

but yes nerf 183 to the ground like before pbr

WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO WORK TO GET ANY DAMAGE

[tender jolt]

These are trash already

[obtuse rover]

😭😭😭 pls no

Defender mk1 should not have a complete tomato turret it should have either a cupola or pennable turret with premium

[signal dagger]

I know, I am making a point that if a tank is popular doesn’t mean it’s good.

[sand lark]

Buff BZ176 gun by removing the double shot and give the dmg to singleshot 670/600/1050
Reloads every 17 seconds without equipment

[fringe egret]

If it didn't hit for how much it does, I'd see no problem with that

[fringe egret]

🤓 technically it does have a cupola.
Really, if it didn't have a hard to pen turret, it'd have little going for it

[marble willow]

The gun just sucks

[uneven turtle]

It’s a meme tank anyways

[marble willow]

Yeah it is

[warped sable]

honestly the caliban is fine as is if you aim a bit, we dont want a 183 in tier 8 anyway

[marble willow]

The shell velocity is so cheeks though

[warped sable]

lead your shot then

[marble willow]

Leading, packet loss, and rng dont end well for me

[vague fiber]

Hell no

[craggy grove]

The ol' reliable equipment called "Refined Gun", take it or leave it. Hard hitting tanks are not supposed to be accurate.

[hazy umbra]

i heshed an ac lfp for 900. tho was delish

[meager sky]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nlLyNGZPJhc?si=Ml26rcOXSiU9ahUp

"armor dont bug"

[primal mauve]

derp is derp it’s for fun not for performance lol

[craggy grove]

Kunze Panzer should get a mobility or reload buff as well as tracer shells added to it. 25 more alpha does not warrant so much worse DPM, stabilisation and mobility compared to Type 62.

[clear flax]

I don’t think there is any tank with tracer shells at tier 7 correct me if I am wrong

[craggy grove]

I do not think there is a single tier 7 tank with adaptive concealment beside Type 62, what is your point?

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

[rocky birch]

WG, please get rid of the giant hatch on the kust its so pointless and anoying to have

[twin egret]

WG, please make the hatch bigger on the kust its so op and hard to hit

[obtuse rover]

WG, please remove the kust and keep the hatch the tank is too dangerous to go against

[thorny timber]

Kust, please get rid of the tank and keep the WG it is too OP

[obsidian socket]

OP, please Kust the WG and keep the hatch

[uneven turtle]

Remove Kust’s turret

[hushed token]

The hatch , please remove the WG and keep the dangerous

[marble willow]

I havent seen much strv ks. How good is that tank?

Ok ~330 apcr pen is pathetic for a heavy

[obtuse rover]

It will prolly be uptiered cuz it’s tier 9 in wot pc with a 105mm

[craggy grove]

Yeah, and Concept 1B and Strv K are tier 9. Will those be downtiered? Nay. Do not base blitz balancing on WoT PC, they are playing a different game. In it Kunz. Pz. has a siege mode and is actually a TD.

[clear flax]

When has wargaming ever uptiered a vehicle from tier 7 to tier 9?

In blitz

[marble willow]

The 3 mark req for the gsor is insane

[craggy grove]

He did not say it would be uptiered to tier 9.

[craggy grove]

Is that for the tank or 1008?

[marble willow]

The tank

[dim current]

Tankenstein Buff? Or make the mini turret usable :p

[south helm]

gsor 1008 is a fun tank though 😄

[craggy grove]

It is a better Caliban, but I believe average wotb player is not ready for that conversation.

[fossil rapids]

Helov

[primal mauve]

STG needs premium shell buff APCR with 225mm base is so dookie
changing it to HEAT with 240mm pen might be more enjoyable

[uneven turtle]

Well it does have great farming potential just like 215B which has around ~280exp requirement for the 3rd mark

Oh wait no that was when I 3 marked it

Now it’s dropped to 265

[grand sun]

Suggest to buff Titan H-Nd
It's very weak and even lose many same tier (VII) tanks
I'd like to buff it mobility and DPM
(not worth for a 5000 gold tank btw)

i dont think a Premium tank even trash than a tech tree one

Suggested buff:
180mm pen -> 195mm pen
engine: 7.28 -> 9.5
35 km/h average speed -> 42 km/h average speed
9 second reload -> 8 second
make the lower-hull when activate armor thicker
make the side more thicker abit so i can angling it

nah the Titan H-Nd look like Tiger I but weaker

[quaint otter]

Pls up STB 1…

[slender hull]

suggesting giving sand bags to super conqueror

since FV215B has

[stark wind]

It's better version of tiger I

[nimble zodiac]

Yeah if CS wasn’t a thing people would be complaining about the 340 HEAT shells instead

[slender hull]

or buff mobility

[craggy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-fish-this-is-bait-gif-11212449

[stark wind]

Bruh doesn't it has like better armor?

[craggy grove]

Is it worth it having way worse mobility and gun?

[stark wind]

Depends how worse it is

[craggy grove]

0.398 🥀

[stark wind]

Nvm

[craggy grove]

💔 so sad

[stark wind]

💔

[marble willow]

True, the farming potential is unmatched. Its just painful when you accidentally find yourself trading shots with heavys that have similar dpm and higher dps like the fv215b or whatnot. Maybe i need better positioning

[marble willow]

Its 331mm apcr with calibrated on a heavy. Its fairly mobile but its still a heavy. Besides tanks like the t95e6 are arguably more mobile with far higher premium penetration that isnt apcr. The whole purpose of cali is to more reliably pen shots and not have to waste time aiming for weak points.

[craggy grove]

Day 2 of asking for Kunze Panzer to get a mobility or reload buff as well as tracer shells added to it. 25 more alpha does not warrant so much worse DPM, stabilisation and mobility compared to Type 62.

[obsidian socket]

my friend just 3 marked it, it's really good in good hands

[terse cairn]

60TP

It is also good but it doesn't get the gun depression unlike the 60TP

No the whole line till tier 9 has 5⁰ but IS 7 gets 6⁰ while 60TP gets 7⁰

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

I'd suggest you get the IS-4 really complete tank

[marble willow]

You arent new you have nearly 30k battles and have both tanks 💀 💀 💀