tank-balance-discussion

[craggy grove]

T49 was not airborne, it was originally a further improved M41 Walker Bulldog, then simply a testbed for seeing if a light chassis could handle a 152mm guns recoil, hence a Sheridan turret seen on it in-game.

[fallen mist]

Tried out the buffed burst gun on the Sterope, and I can safely say it makes it a lot more playable

[native glade]

Man, if WG just buff it like the PC version. 175mm upper and 80 lower are hard to play in current meta

[unique scaffold]

for gods sake make Grille more accurate without aiming

Many have said this before me and many will say it after me, its supposed to be a Tier X and better than the Waffenträger on Tier 9, and its STILL worse, and its STILL not worth it. Please just buff it. Make its miserable Alpha better, it can have less speed, but please for the sake of everything that is good, buff it.

[dapper zenith]

what? the grille is a laser if you choose the correct loadout

[unique scaffold]

It proves to be worse than its predecessor, in basically every way that makes its line unique.

Where is the Full turnable turret? Where is the Camo?

[dapper zenith]

full traverse turret would allow it to back up a slope and just ridge dominate at range with minimal hit box showing and the waffle camo rating specialy its bush bonus is broken imo

[unique scaffold]

One shot, and you get spotted by a TD on the other side of the map.

Aight a bit exaggerated, but it is very disappointing. I thought it will be a better Waffle.

[indigo tide]

Its major problem is that it has a different playstyle than the waffen

[unique scaffold]

One might think its somewhat a sniper, but it has basically no camo, and id very much aswell play a KV-2 with that non-aiming circle size.

[craggy grove]

This is very silly with improved suspension equipment, improved gear oil ammunition and improved speed boost consumable.

[uneven turtle]

You’re not getting spotted if you hit someone across the map

It has the most precise gun in the game if you bother to aim in

[unique scaffold]

I just feel like it should do more damage. Its been nerfed so many times while theres always new tanks getting introduced instead of just working on balancing actual tech tier tanks.

[uneven turtle]

Well I think the grille is in a strong state right now, the fact that it can relocate with such ease and make even some of the most awkward positions possible to use due to the precision of its gun, makes its survivability much better than you’d think, despite the lack of armor

And 580 alpha with ~10 reload is definitely not to be trifled with, in fact, I think it’s great that you can reload so fast, since that allows you the flexibility of switching between targets that you think presents a greater threat, and quickly shred them down

[velvet panther]

Wargaming, can u make obj 263 dispesion on down -6 or -5 ?

[uneven turtle]

If you ask me, I think the grille is next to the obj 268 when it comes to being the epitome of a tank destroyer

[velvet panther]

Or make obj 263 consumble that makes dispersion on down little better like is5

[uneven turtle]

I think you mean depression

Also, no can do since that would make it a little bit too good

[velvet panther]

👍 ye

[uneven turtle]

A hulldown mobile frontline td that’s already well armored with 3.7k+ dpm is not healthy for the game

[velvet panther]

But when some other tanks are close to me I can't shoot on hull😅🥲

[uneven turtle]

That’s weird, because that’s when the 263 is at its strongest

[velvet panther]

Ye but when other tanks are close that have turrent armour good, and cant make contact on hull that sucks

[uneven turtle]

Well then I guess you should avoid confrontations with said tanks

[velvet panther]

[dapper zenith]

i like the 263 as is, just have to use terrain more often to get depression

[indigo tide]

The gun would clip in the hull

[craggy grove]

"A little" extra 3 degrees is a huge difference.

[south helm]

Geez St. Emil is a pain to level

Forget it, ain't gonna play that. Just gonna bypass with free xp. What a pain...

[fringe egret]

T-2020 feels super powerful now. Might have to give it about 20ish battles before fully setting as a great heavy

[south helm]

Tornvagn as well

[oak olive]

4k dpm? Am I see right?

[glad flower]

Yes

[oak olive]

Oh god no... 4k dpm for alpha is real?
This only can NC70 while in 50m and now tier 9 tank can do

[hollow wind]

SU-122-54 has had the highest dpm for years at tier 9

[tranquil finch]

Now it’s gonna be beat out because the SU doesn’t have tungsten lol

[solid hedge]

T28 prototype now has a cupola and roof

No one talking about panther II, the armor is better now

[naive hawk]

T28 actually heavy armor!?

[solid hedge]

Yes

Lower plate is 300-500mm
Upper plate is 254mm
Side shoulders are 350-500mm
Cupolas are 150-190mm
Mantlet is 450-500mm+

[pliant sparrow]

How do I play the test?

[tender finch]

a bit bummer the cupola is pretty huge
not very recommended brawling in close range

[light otter]

what the heck is this??? Tiger can't pen the front???

[hushed token]

Just run calibrated shell

[light otter]

I wonder if calli is enough to pen that though

will panther 2 become the e 50m of tier 8 now?

[primal mauve]

basically t8 e50m

[light otter]

yeah, I'm honestly shocked if panther 2 has that much armor against a heavy. Is it part of the recent update? or will it be included in a future one

[primal mauve]

this is it going hull down with enhanced armour (220mm pen from t54e2 btw)

[primal mauve]

calibrated t54e2 could pen the turret cheeks tho

[hushed token]

Panther 2 against Tiger 2 with Calibrated shell while hulldown. It is a very good tank now , just make sure don't fight heavy on flat ground and you will be fine

This thing is gonna destroy the MT flank

[primal mauve]

I am sure the Panther 2 encourages E50M playstyle after this update

[hushed token]

Maybe I should re-buy my Panther 2 , Mad game is gonna be mad with this one

[muted rampart]

Both panther 2 and Kanonen got 2nd life in this update

[minor mirage]

too many similar scenarios...

[naive hawk]

If I am a lone MT fighting this tank, I gonna abandon the MT line

[fringe egret]

German mains eating good

[timid crater]

Panther II was pretty underrated before. Not many people knew it had one of the best mobility values for a medium at tier 8. Now it gets an armour buff without sacrifice to the mobility and an additional pen buff it needed, it's really strong.

[hushed token]

I love how pre-buffed Panther 2 played exactly like Leopard 1 due to how big and lack of armor it was . Now that it has armor , it can be played like E50M .

[sudden island]

finally panther 2 becoming a proper younger version of e50M. to new players, congratulations.
imagine grinding this tank 11 years ago with 7.5 cm gun.
50% crew skills, 2+- MM and no game mode.

[waxen geode]

Dude, my concept cannot penetrate the darn object 268/4. Not even using premium rounds.

[hushed token]

Probably because Concept 1B has one of the lowest penetration value in tier 10

[naive hawk]

Deserve for such a broken hull-down tank

[vague fiber]

Equip cali

[waxen geode]

I learned something new every day in here. @vague fiber will do!

[vague fiber]

Remember to equip all your tier 10 tanks with camo, ammo, equipment, and provisions

[chilly leaf]

Ultra test 4 iOS? Link please

[midnight rapids]

No problem fam we got tornvagn tier 9 concept

[scarlet yarrow]

Give T49 AP standard, or give it premium ammo

[sudden island]

always equip cali no matter what.
it is not like u are going to shoot an enemy who sit in the open 24/7 so u can dish out or dpm.

[scarlet yarrow]

T49 is a piece of crap without ap standard

[craggy grove]

It already has premium ammo, the HE.

[hushed token]

Fun fact : T 49 has the 90mm gun which have AP standard and Premium ammo beside the derp gun

[craggy grove]

If you play T49 with a 90mm, you might as well just play Ru 251 for a second faster reload and high-pen HE.

[uneven turtle]

T49 isn’t great but it isn’t completely crap either, it’s a just a meme tank and nothing more

Surprisingly though, it’s actually quite a good skill based tank, at least in my opinion, cus I was managing to be top damage in even t9 teams

[scarlet yarrow]

it NEEDS AP standard the moment it goes up against tier 9s its useless

[uneven turtle]

Just avoid direct confrontations with them??

[scarlet yarrow]

thats impossible

[uneven turtle]

72kmph top speed speaks otherwise, you have that mobility, use it to relocate

[muted rampart]

Yikes, how many horrible takes do you wish to present on this channel?

T49 is not very good, exactly as it should be as a 560 alpha light tank at T8.

But it's not like it's unplayable, it works well enough in good hands. If you engage any heavy tank frontally with it, that's on you.

[craggy grove]

What was testing Emil 1951 like compared to the current one?

[muted rampart]

It was much better judging by stats

[craggy grove]

Well, what stat were different and by exactly how much? Did it have more turret armor, better turret move dispersion?

Yeah, that makes sense.

[granite mason]

When did the panther get buffed?

When I first played it it felt it had no Armour but thought it would because it was in the e50m line

[craggy grove]

This patch, I think?

[granite mason]

I see

[dapper wren]

Yea panther 2 got a good buff

[solid hedge]

I feel like Tornvagn is balanced , not OP

[craggy grove]

It is pretty much an Emil II with worse DPM, intraclip, stabilisation, and module health but better alpha damage, base accuracy and armor. I wish they would rebalance Emil IIs autoreloader to play more like Kran so it has the best DPM on the first shell.

[copper delta]

Why are my consumable buttons so much smaller at 129% scale than at 127% scale?

[fervent otter]

I have similar issue, but mine is below 110%

[copper delta]

Is this bug a legacy issue from the DAVA engine?

[copper delta]

Why do I have to push the joystick all the way forward to move now?

[naive hawk]

Just make it smaller?

[craggy grove]

It is harder to make precise adjustments then. I personally struggle maintaining movement direction with too small joysticks.

[naive hawk]

But smaller control=faster reactime though. But it cane down to personal preference then.

[craggy grove]

If your screen is already small like on smartphone, it may be too small for a clear input.

[solid hedge]

They need to buff VK 168

[naive hawk]

I guess I play in tablet

[limber inlet]

Same

[dusty swift]

is5 buff survivalbility and engine HP is so good

[humble torrent]

lol

[wooden swift]

Give stb atgms

[split pulsar]

[wet niche]

is5 aim so bad :/

[deep sable]

Здравствуйте

[visual lily]

Привет

Куда скриншот скинуть можно с результатом боя?

[cinder shard]

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[primal yacht]

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[visual lily]

Большое спасибо! Хорошего вечера! (-:

[cinder shard]

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[cinder shard]

[feral current]

Buy t28 right now

[cinder shard]

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[muted rampart]

Cupolas are still very weak. It's a fine tank now, but let's not pretend like it's some crazy OP killer machine

[obtuse rover]

Would be cool if t28,t95, e3 had emergency track

[placid kestrel]

T95 might make sense because double track, not the others tho I think

[obtuse rover]

Maybe just t95 and e3

[lusty wolf]

They're doing it. Theyre nerfing ke-ni otsu into the ground for reforged. down to 2100 DPM, as well as buffing every vintage tank to give them all 180 damage guns and 650+ HP

[uneven otter]

problem with gun turret and aiming, movement appears to be analog with limited steps. in snipper mode impossible to aim accurately as gun bounces from one point to the next and can skip over desired target spot. Had to turn mouse sensitivity down to 20 to start with

[primal mauve]

it’s just typical D-25T guns on IS lines

[naive hawk]

<@&481447501690568709>

[primal yacht]

✅ astorr8810 was banned.

[frail widget]

Kanonenjagdpanzer is OP

[nimble zodiac]

Wrong

[abstract berry]

Hello, I have a problem downloading Tank Blitz Reforge and it says that the version is outdated, what should I do?

[versed arrow]

It's for update the app?

[abstract berry]

I'm sorry, I found the reason. I didn't think I just had to click the store and it would start the update.

[versed arrow]

Okay 👍

[waxen geode]

Panzer 58 worth it?

[south helm]

It’s paper

[waxen geode]

Never mind guys. 58 does not impressed me.

[craggy grove]

Hi Mocca, do you have M-IV-Yoh?

[lusty niche]

T26E4 need some buff
First the damge change to 225/195/275->240/200/280
then the speed change to
40km/h->48km/h
Maybe?

[still vector]

the IS-6 needs a buff on it's penetration.
both guns have incredibly underwhelming pen, even the damage gun struggles to pen even with premium.
(EVEN WITH CALI)

[hushed token]

Rammer users when they realize Calibrated shell equipment exists :

[exotic turret]

Nima gap

[primal mauve]

power to weight ratio needs buff too so if you’re fast but low power to weight then you wouldn’t likely to reach topspeed

the current t26e4 is pretty outdated and sluggish compared to mediums at t8 now

[naive hawk]

It armour are pretty underwhelming too, I mean it need to be atleast as strong as fixer.

[primal mauve]

real to make it more of an assault med

[naive hawk]

I could probably tolerate for how slow as it is if they buff hull armor and turret btw.

[primal mauve]

reload is just long for a 90mm base 225 alpha tbh

[naive hawk]

Tru, literally everything about it was bad😭

(Maybe not 10 gundepress)

[thick bone]

Devs Just Make A Big Mistake With The Kanon JG PZ Because Of Reload And DMG

[craggy grove]

Just do not engage it in an open field. Use cover and terrain to negate the fact that it can shoot faster than you.

It has low alpha and low health so if you fire every time it does, you will most likely win.

[naive hawk]

I mean, we have su 122 54

[thick bone]

If You Are In Tier 8, Then You Cant Frontline It Against Kanon JG PZ
(Exception: HT)

[craggy grove]

And Jagdtiger.

[naive hawk]

Yeah, it not like we don't have something like this before.

[craggy grove]

Then.. just do not? Why do you expect a tank of a lesser tier to be on par with one of a higher tier.

[thick bone]

Cuz Its A TD And In The Map Like Dead Rail

[naive hawk]

I mean, foch is even more busted in that situation, plus map problem

[terse cairn]

322mm heat isn't enough for you?

[still vector]

i mean, it doesn't really matter when it's got crappy DPM, and the average damage for it isnt even worth it. Overall, i think it should get a buff, since it's very underwhelming rn

[scenic olive]

Well the pen is what’s suppose to make running the top gun worth it, the stock gun has crazy dpm so it doesn’t really need pen, although I do agree the top gun should have dpm in line with other soviet heavies.

[still vector]

the stock gun does need pen, theres like a 50% chance that you pen a tiger 2's front turret with premium ammo, which means you can't even pen an E-75 frontally, even with premium ammo (this includes the lower plate too). Which is another reason why they need to buff the pen on the IS-6.
I mean, if they buffed the IS-5, it's only fair that they buff the IS-6 even a little bit, just enough to kinda keep up with the heavies of it's tier.

[still vector]

It's penetration is outdated (cant really pen stuff anymore, especially at an uptier), the armor isn't as reliable as back then, and it can barely win brawls, despite being a brawling tank.

What i think they should do is buff the pen by like 20mm (on the stock gun), slightly buff the armor, and slightly buff the reload, that way it doesn't feel as an underwhelming tank.

[scenic olive]

It has some of the best armor for a Soviet heavy, it does not need a buff. The stock gun works just fine if you no how to use it. You can’t engage certain vehicles with a lot of armor but you can still play around this. I 3 marked it with the stock gun

[still vector]

it's by no means, a bad tank, but i feel like other tanks are overshadowing it, which makes me think that it needs a little buff.
It's also pretty unreliable in today's meta.
But uh, yeah, just a little buff and maybe it can keep up with other heavies on it's tier.
It also sucks in an uptier, which is another reason why it needs a small buff.
Also, not to mention, a Tiger 2 with prem ammo can easily pen the upper plate, and even with AP, it still pens the driver's hatch quite easily (running Cali)

[keen crown]

При выстреле из 4005. Это нормально?

[slender hull]

give AP premium to is-5

[muted rampart]

It's been buffed twice in the last 2 months or so, it is a very solid tank already. It doesn't need any more buffs

[muted rampart]

#🐞ut4-bug-reports

[scenic olive]

Is5 basically just made the wz 122tm pointless, it’s faster with WAY better armor and better gun depression. Only real advantage the wz has is a snappy gun.

[muted rampart]

And that's fair. The main downside of IS-5 is precisely the gun

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[upper knot]

@weak stump That's a complaint about the app loading; not even close to tank balance. #news-discussion would be a good place to repost it. That's also where WG staff like to look for reactions to current news, updates, etc. If you want it seen, don't bury it here.

[scenic olive]

Heck nah, th wz 122tm has been mid since release. It is wayyy to slow for the dookie armor it has. All I’d want is a 70hp buff so it isn’t a slug.

[muted rampart]

And let it be mid. Not all tanks need to be overpowered.

[craggy grove]

Dookie? It has better armor than Chimera.

[sudden island]

I agree. WZ is just to boring.
chimera is miles better.
imagine being that slow as a medium. and the alpha most of the time roll for sub 400 lmao.
and u have to wait for 20 years for the reload. plenty of other tanks with better armor

[scenic olive]

I doubt 70 hp is going to make the 122tm op☠️

[placid kestrel]

Even after buff do you guys think it's not worth it to buy?

I was thinking about it. I already have the chimera btw

[sudden island]

pro tips, dont ever buy tier 8. unless it is super OP and not generic

[placid kestrel]

Nah I buy even tier 6s

[primal mauve]

122tm is pretty good tank to me dealing 400dmg on a med is more than enough and the front is pretty nice tanking against most other meds,they most likely have to aim to the lower plate

[glass mortar]

I enjoyed it. its really sluggish going uphill but the traverse is insane. gun is where its at, and that applies to the whole line

[young violet]

I think the badges in some tanks need changed

some u get aces for nothing and others u never can get them

[vestal skiff]

I feel like control tank in mobile getting weird and lag i did just me or anyone feel it ?

After the update i feel that not before

[deft echo]

ah yes another drama about chimera and wz

[young violet]

finally found my screenshot

kolobanov and still didnt get an ace

well have fun guys, I'd stay and talk but i need to go to bed now(it's midnight)

[craggy grove]

Yeah, if you have chimera, you do not need. Chimera is more mobile and accurate with a bigger alpha, while WZ is better armored and has faster reload.

[thorny mason]

Yup, chimera has bigger alfa. Wz has faster reload

What about scepter?

[craggy grove]

It is an M-III-Yoh with a better credit coefficient.

[craggy grove]

What do you think about giving Predator an alternate gun that fires 2 shots at once at a lesser damage with 3 stage clip? Think, 2×100-110 like Helsing three times before reload

[craggy grove]

Also on the topic of Predator, can it get a weight and horsepower buff so it has the same agility but like 70-90 tonns? It is really annoying that you are a big tank but cannot really ram anyone once they sidehug you.

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

[wicked quest]

It’s almost like the predator is a bad tank design

[craggy grove]

It is almost like it is designed to fight other 10 meter tall tanks and 3 meter tall mutants as well as 100m tall walkers and demons instead of conventional armor.

[wicked quest]

Predator can’t do squat against titans that’s what blaneblades or shadow swords are for also
The main gun literally cannot depress anywhere, that’s what the poorly designed sponsoons are for

[craggy grove]

Autocannon is still an antiя-armor weapon, so if you get enough of Predators you probably can tackler smaller Titans. Vehicles in WH40K are commonly tall so the gun depression does not matter to imperium.

Regarding sponsons, if they have a purpose, they are not poorly designed? And since they are unmanned, shooting them won't disable tanks functions or harm the crew.

[wicked quest]

The size and literature of the AC predator suggests the gun is 90-100mm at best which is incredibly unimpressive,
Most imperial vehicles are poorly designed

the Las sponsoons are clearly too big to be able to rotate past a frontal arc that is bad design as there is literally no way to defend it from the sides up close

[muted rampart]

This is fiction. Anyone with more than 2 braincells can deduce that both Vindicator and Predator are horribly designed within like 2,5 seconds of looking at them.

Forget about that and move to actually good and well thought out parts of that universe.

[brazen steeple]

buff the jag!

[craggy grove]

Calibre does not really matter... modern man-portable AT weapons can dispatch MBTs frontally with sufficient warheads so the calibre is largely irrelevant. Even then, referencing the 7th edition Predator autocannon had an AP of 4, as opposed to lascannons 2. It also did more damage.

Have nothing to say about las cannon sponsons. They are supposed to just look cool same as bolters. Eitherway, what does this have to do with balancing the vehicle?

[prisma jetty]

Infantry carried anti-tank weapons don’t go through the front of tanks, they go through the sides or top

[craggy grove]

I meant the Anti-tank guided missiles, deployed on a tripod like a lascannon or an autocannon.

[prisma jetty]

Yeah, still not going through the front of modern tanks

[craggy grove]

They pretty much are? I have to look up a video, but I have seen a Kornet hitting a tank frontally with positive effect.

[prisma jetty]

Modern tanks have so much protection in the frontal arc (60 degrees for most countries, 30 on either side) that its almost worthless to try to design something to go through the front atp

[trail stag]

What’s the easiest way to get Wargaming to buff a vehicle? I’m failing to understand the relevance of the 114 SP2. Why would you play it when literally every other heavy exists? The BZ-75 for example is just flat better in every aspect. How does a 18cm gun outperform a 15cm in literally every way possible? Similar reload time, better aim time, better dispersion, and same regular penetration.
And not to mention you can’t let a feather land on the SP2’s ammo rack, cuz as soon as it does, that’s an express ticket back to the garage.

[ionic kraken]

Fix the Kust: Remove that massive useless cupola on it

[brazen steeple]

they don't think, they just do. If a vehicle is too strong they buff it even more. If a vehicle is too weak they trash it to the ground

[uneven turtle]

Exaggeration I hope

[brazen steeple]

nah not with the jag they really keep nerfing it for the past 4 updates

[atomic shuttle]

why does the E-100 get two gun options when the VK K has only one. In WOT PC there is the Panzer VII and the VK 72K which share mostly the same hull but use the Jgtiger gun (Pz VII) and the E-100 gun (VK K), couldn't we have a choice in Blitz?

[naive hawk]

Because E100 are always that's way, it meant to be mini-maus or mini-maus with 15CM , and Vk 72 are there since the dawn of the time with only it 15 cm original gun, they don't know direction of the game yet, can't blame them

[loud thunder]

I hope they balance it -> Buff the VK 72.01K regarding hit points. It's an extremely heavy tank, super-heavy, and having that characteristic should make it a sack of HP, but that's not the case. It has a paltry 2450 HP, when even a Kranvang, which weighs less and whose role is just to roam hills, has more hit points. I wish they would increase its HP to 2650 so it would truly be super-heavy and not a joke

[fervent otter]

Wait, if that's the main problem, how to fix it? Should I just reinstall the game or is there something I have to do before reinstalling it?

[solid hedge]

Kranvagn have 2400 HP. VK have 2450

[solid hedge]

I use sandbag and equipment to reach 2.7k hp, and it already feel nice.

[midnight rapids]

tech tree has better hull traverse speed, shouldn't it be same?

[twilit kestrel]

Where and how can you report a bug ?

[stark wind]

If you want to report a bug in reforged go to #🐞ut4-bug-reports

[vocal relic]

is there a leader bord for ranked reforged

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

[burnt mauve]

to be fair any armored vehicle similar to it should be having some sort of protection from smaller forces lol. regardless of what vehicle its not really meant to just be alone

[craggy grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1380495291597455441/1411124013094273134/kustMLADYbig.gif

So darn true.

[waxen geode]

Worst tanks in tier 8 please. About to start grinding them all.

[surreal delta]

Maybe they intentionally added the cupola here so that the tank uses more skill?

[ionic kraken]

It already suffers from total lack of armor, it doesn't have good dpm or good gun depression, it really can't do much. If it didn't have that damn cupola, maybe it could work as a sudo-strv and rely on the steep angles to survive a little longer to get more shots out

[fluid burrow]

skorpion g needs Hp buff and pbr

[muted rampart]

SU-101 by far

[waxen geode]

Adding to the list of skip.

[craggy grove]

That would make sense if it had good armor like WZ-120-1G FT but it does not and it is also way slower lol.

[twin egret]

no, trade off is that the Scepter has the emergency reserve track mechanic

[vague fiber]

m3 gets reticle cali too

[hushed timber]

i now went from 2.7k avg in t8 to 3.6k avg in t9 with the tornvagn. something tells me that wargaming made a pretty big mistake

so i advise people to DO NOT ( unless you both have the tornvagn ) platoon in T9. 75% of the t9 toons i have done is a double tornvagn .

[pine grove]

Would you rather 114 sp1 or 116 F3?

[remote pawn]

116 F3

[muted rampart]

116F3 100%

[craggy grove]

Why does T95E6 have so much better camo values compared to Strv K?

[ionic kraken]

Whoever designed the Chi-Nu Kai must've had brain damage, cuz how the hell do you screw up so bad that you lose half your gun depression compared to the regular Chi-Nu

[terse beacon]

Is bro really crying about tier 5

[ionic kraken]

It's not all about tier 7-10

Low tiers are tanks too and tier 5 is by far the worst balanced tier, cuz a lot of the tanks are the same cookie cutter copy pastas: No armor, mid gun, mid mobility, mid dpm, mid everything

[scarlet karma]

Stock kv4, stock t49, stock amx 50 100, stock t28, quetzal

[naive hawk]

I think stock dont count

[scarlet karma]

Ig quetzal and t28 then. No idea on t28 new pbr armor changes though

[terse beacon]

It has 7 degrees gun dep compared to 10 and it's cus it has a better overall gun and almost triple the credit coefficient

And no it is, anything below tier 6 is rarely ever played and does not matter very much

[slate pecan]

Nerf IS 4

[muted rampart]

Who cares about camo on a heavy? You will never use it

[craggy grove]

It can be handy in a 1v1 against a TD or other heavy to deal a tide-changing shot every other full moon.

[wicked quest]

Your not out camping a TD in a heavy anytime soon

[craggy grove]

I mean, if you have the point lead in supremacy or capturing the base in encounter battles, they have to come to you.

[fringe egret]

In the rare circumstance of a player not using double food and optics it happens, but thats depending on fools

Actually probably wouldn't be that rare with that condition

[ionic kraken]

It has only 6 gun dep btw and the gun is still slow

[craggy grove]

It just does not make sense similarly sized heaviums have such widely different concealment stats.

[fluid burrow]

skorpion g needs spall lining and adaptive concealment and more hit points from 1150 to 1300

[craggy grove]

Maybe hitpoints but the other two hell no.

It is a fast TD with high DPM, good alpha, good handling and fully rotating turret. 1150 is already a lot for a such a fast tank too.

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

[fluid burrow]

1150 isnt a lot of you think about how big it is and how easy of a target its to guarantee land a HE shell onto
i got HE penned by smasher on the turret not even peeking btw
that small part of my turret poking out and he shoots it for 1040 damage..

[muted rampart]

That's how Scorpion works.

You have great gun with great mobility, but in exchange you must be careful.

If you don't like that, don' play the scorpion

[scenic olive]

Honestly the hit points for tds at tier 8 is abysmal actually. Tier 10 tds, even the paper ones, have way more hp tier for tier. All tier 10 tds have similar if not more hp than meds of the same tier, which should be the case for tier 8 as well. 1300hp and up is how I think it should be considering the lowest hp med has 1350 health.

[muted rampart]

Well, in exchange many T8 TDs have better guns tier for tier.

ISU-152 and ISU-130 in particular.

[dark jackal]

Yo the tornvagn is pure stupidity

Will wg nerf it?

[remote pawn]

Update was literally a few days ago and already asking for a nerf 😭😭

[craggy grove]

Not really. IS-3 has 25% less HP than IS-8, whereas Skorpion has 28% less than Ritter. It is within ±5% random margin.

[dark jackal]

Real though. But i have a 100% wr over 13 battles platooning double torn

Very fun but nit good for t8s

[scenic olive]

I was comparing them with meds not heavies. Im saying tier 10 tds have the same health as MEDS and that tier 8 should be the same way.

[muted rampart]

Then they need their guns nerfed.

Most prominent T8 TDs have guns incomparably more powerful for their tier than their T10 counterparts

[barren goblet]

Tier 8 heavy usually needs 3-4 shots to kill tier 8 td. Tier 8 td needs 4-5. There is no other tier where heavies can comfortably win duels against same tier td, with or without cover. 1200 hp vs 1800hp is massive difference

[muted rampart]

What you seem to miss is that TDs usually have much shorter reload which equalizes the ttk (time to kill) for both tanks. It's fair.

People often forget about the fact that after average heavy alpha at T8 reaches 310-400, all the way up to T10 it doesn't really change, most tanks still do around 400 damage. What changes is the DPM.

So yes, technically many T8 TDs will die to a T8 heavy in only 3 shots, but a T8 TD will be able to shoot like 2 more times within that time.

Ofc there are cases where that's not the case like SU-101 which is a pathetic tank or RHM borsig that's also been heavily nerfed, but these are just specific examples of a TD needing a buff, there is no reason to increase HP across the board for all of them

[barren goblet]

Lot of tier 8 heavies have 400-460 alpha guns, I would say average alpha dmg of heavy is 360-380 in tier 8. And with 40-50% more HP, its quite easy win in duel. And TDs for most part work with 400-460 dmg guns

[muted rampart]

Except blitz does not consist of duels.

Most T8 TDs have more powerful guns than T10 TDs for their tier which makes up for lack of HP.

They are solid, you just need to be more careful with them

[barren goblet]

If you take away td reload advantage, its worse case for them. And i agree that usually heavy will be able to reload in peace and peek when ready. So yeah, with 1200-1300 hp all you can do is camp.

[muted rampart]

That's kinda nonsense. Most T8 TDs can work very well as suport TDs. 1200-1300 HP is also already very solid, allowing you to survive up to 4 shots froma higher alpha T8 heavy.

If any TDs have an HP problem, it's those with below 1200 HP. Others are all perfectly fine

[barren goblet]

I think in general tier 8 more than any other ( maybe tier 7 also) is heavy dominated. Tech tree meds are garbage, td we discussed above whether we agree or not. Outside grom,su130 and few OP premium meds, heavies at tier 8 are so much better than anything else. 1800 hp with solid armor at tier where few things have high DPM goes long way

[scenic olive]

Don’t even get me started on how garbage lights are at that tier. They all got the same view range as meds, some even worse😂

[pure laurel]

Yo wg give smv vipera it's legendary camouflage already

[blazing shuttle]

I think the type 5 needs 2 seconds taken off its reload and given tungsten shells and sandbags

[remote pawn]

???? Worst suggestion ever

[craggy grove]

Asked to leave #tank-balance-discussion

[craggy grove]

What does this have to do with balancing lol

[dark jackal]

Tungsten and sandbags is an overcook

[craggy grove]

Next thing you know it, they also suggest giving it a reticle cali and gear oil.

[dark jackal]

Played the wz 131 which felt great. Im assuming the 132 will be similar if not slightly worse tier for tier?

[remote pawn]

I own a type 5, these buffs are NOT necessary

[craggy grove]

It appears to be a faster Type 59 with worse armor, less health and DPM, but bigger alpha.

[dark jackal]

Ah yes! I noticed the 300 dps. Thats going to be big

[blazing shuttle]

Nah my accuracy is 80% in it I dont need help aiming

[craggy grove]

You can get HE'd from the side by as little as 35mm pen. That is basically any HE in tier VII-IX. Gotta be careful playing with that.

[craggy grove]

I do not think Type 5 needs any buffs in general. It is already a very solid vehicle

[dark jackal]

Good to know. Ill watch out for that

[kindred cloak]

My event reset ?

I was 200 away from completing the event, but it reset.

[fluid burrow]

ah this problem still hasnt been fixed?

[kindred cloak]

Nice i dont have time for this i gonna quit this event

[wary saddle]

I think caliban's reload should be decrease by 9 seconds and improved aiming time (1.1) dispersion reduced by .102 and (base) turret armor buff 50mm

[unique scaffold]

typical WG you know..

[fluid burrow]

honestly we need dual shell caliban first shell taking just 14 seconds of reload
and second 23 with 0.24 base dispersion
increase its top speed to 45
and reverse to 18
buff its upper plate armour and turret armour so that no tier 9 can pen it either

[craggy grove]

I think we should make anni's turret 320mm like Tornvagn, remove the hatch, and make the whole clip reload in 3.33 seconds.

[craggy grove]

That is basically BZ-176 just with actual armor.

[fluid burrow]

🔥 auto reloader tho

[craggy grove]

How long the intraclip going to be?

[fluid burrow]

4 seconds (making it some what balanced so that wg might take a look at it)

[wary saddle]

I think caliban should be a T10

[fluid burrow]

we dont need another 183

[wary saddle]

I shall be the sole owner of a T10 caliban

[fluid burrow]

greedy fella share some with us

[craggy grove]

So you want to be able to nuke any tank you face except like, Tiger Maus and Mauschen, in 4 seconds?

[fluid burrow]

yep , free damage farm

[craggy grove]

Sounds fair to me.

[wary saddle]

That's where aiming time and dispersion comes in

Same goes for velocity

[fluid burrow]

second shell gonna take 23 seconds to reload so.. 37 seconds to load two shells is kinda fair
tho both shells have 700 alpha and 900 with HESH

[craggy grove]

You would just get an extra "reserve" shell while the overall reload for the first shell is the same.

Actually, nevermind, it would be even better by 2 seconds, lol. And that is with cali, lol.

[fluid burrow]

yep the overall goal is to make caliban the most balanced tank

if concept 1b can exist why not caliban with dual shot 900 HESH

[craggy grove]

Concept deals twice the average alpha which is not great, but by no means a reason to have some tier 8 derp deal 6 times the average damage.

[fluid burrow]

👍 rebalancing

[vivid folio]

Where should we share this ? It's the result of a game in reforged to have a chance to win a new tank

[craggy grove]

#🏆ut4-contest-for-kust

[vivid folio]

ok thanks !

[fluid burrow]

STG needs a buff give it tungsten and more gun depression on its sides and rear and maybe some extra turret armour

[primal mauve]

10 gun dep when turret at the back

[clear flax]

I think wz114 needs an alpha buff like at least 500 preferably 520

[fluid burrow]

and it needs pen

[solid hedge]

2270 dpm with AP is not balanced for such thing that deals over a thousand in 4 seconds

[fluid burrow]

1400 in 4 seconds yeah its alright

[primal mauve]

175 pen is not enough in tier 8 ngl

[fluid burrow]

true
look at all soviet mediums
mid pen values mid armour
mid everything

[primal mauve]

they're just dying time by time obj 590 might only be the diff one to stand out

[fluid burrow]

yeah
only obj 590 is worth playing

i hope next buff they going to buff base pen values to 200 for all soviet mediums in tier 8 (including t 44 100

[primal mauve]

soviet meds especially the ones with -5 gun dep are just dreadful in nowadays t8 fights

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

[loud thunder]

For people who are developing new tank lines and need to save credits, using all of that would be a disaster, because it would cost: 8k credits for sandbags, 7560 for a chocolate bar, imagine having to use premium ammo in battle, and on top of that, tungsten or repair kits—that's a lot of credits, and don't even get me started on what happens if you lose or don't have a premium account. But aside from that, it's a super heavy tank. Super heavy = punching bag, but that's not the case with the VK 72.01K. A tank like the 60TP, which is almost better in every way than the VK 72, has more hit points

[craggy grove]

The fact that VK 72 has that armor layout, AND 2400 HP, is frankly rather baffling.

[terse beacon]

Vk72 is nothing like 60tp aside from both having high alpha

[teal sonnet]

petition to remove all invisible walls? just to make gameplay more interesting

there id nothing here and i cant even climb over it

[loud thunder]

I never said they were similar, only that the 60TP, being better than a VK 72, having a better armor profile and a stronger turret, and weighing less than the VK, has 2600 hit points. That's what makes it "competitive" in lobbies; knowing why it has so much hit points is key.

[loud thunder]

Yup

[craggy grove]

Agreed.

[full prawn]

Remember that Cyber match with Grille getting on top of the mountain, that's what probably will happen...

[teal sonnet]

since reforged will replace this soon, let us have some fun with it

[teal sonnet]

oh no players using their brain and creativity, and that happened once ,literally once

[terse beacon]

You're saying 60tp is "better in almost every way" when they play nothing alike. If 60tp tried to play the way vk72 does it would get demolished and/or ammoracked.

Also hp is not even the main reason 60tp is so strong it's because it has such a reliable turret and good mobility with the alpha

[full prawn]

still the creativity on some maps gives out an unfair positions

[terse beacon]

Hp does not really hinder vk72 either, since it is also very mobile for a superheavy and forces most t10s to fire prammo for reliable pens

[teal sonnet]

these spots and very difficult to climb actually

and in a random battle nobody is gonna help you to climb

but in all seriousness the game is gonna get replaced soon, better to have the most fun out of it

[teal sonnet]

should i mention the spot on castilla that lets you carry a game?

[loud thunder]

That's what I'm telling you, the 60TP has a better turret than the VK 72.01K, better mobility, more hit points, and a better armor profile and gun depression, with a slightly higher alpha level and tungsten armor. Both are frontline tanks, but I assure you that a 60TP with a small hill performs its role much better than the VK 72. The VK 72 has more weak points, and with less hit points, it can be destroyed very easily. However, I don't know how you plan to use the VK and the 60TP, because you say the gameplay is different ??, but ok, i only need more HP in Vk 72, only that haha

[terse beacon]

Only top speed is better in terms of mobility. Nice job also ignoring how vk72 has a noticeably better gun, also vk72 has 2.6khp with only one sandbags, if you want full hp you can literally reach almost 2.8k.

And yes they obviously play differently? 60tp is a hulldown oriented tank, vk72 is not and much prefers flatter areas to bully people with its frontal armour profile and high alpha

If you're getting destroyed easily in vk72 I think that's on you btw

[fluid burrow]

true...

[primal mauve]

look at t54 mod1 I think maxxed Pershing could outperform that premium tank

[worldly ferry]

Hi

I'm a beginner (started playing like 5 days ago) and I'm currently making my way to T57 Heavy. Im on tier V right now. Is that a bad desicion

[atomic shuttle]

T57 relies on doing a lot of damage in a short time and then not getting shot when reloading. It's probably the easiest autoloader due to the short intraclip and overall reload making it hard to get caught out + some armour. E-100, IS-7 are more generic heavies and overall easier

[worldly ferry]

ooohhh so basically peek a boo

[atomic shuttle]

yes, you don't want to trade one for one, you peek, -> 3 shots -> hide/move position -> repeat. It's not as vulnerable as say Yoh due to shorter reload for it's clip and more shells (you can miss one and do ~800 when yoh would be doing 450/600), it's also better protected (can't be HE penned except the rear) than 50B or autoloading mediums.
If you enjoy the tier 9 the tier 10 is p much the same, Vz55 and Kran are also good autoloading heavy

[worldly ferry]

I liked playing peek a boo so this tank might be for me

[atomic shuttle]

It's pretty straightfoward, as long as you find your target and make sure no one else is shooting you (you want to trade 1 shot for 3 against them at max) before peeking them and hiding to reload you will do fine. T54e1 and T69 are both pretty ok as well.

[worldly ferry]

Ooooooo

[atomic shuttle]

you could also get Vz-55, it's more of a normal tank but it can use two different guns so it's a bit different (1 shot gun and 2 shot gun)

[worldly ferry]

2 gun in one tank? It exist????

[atomic shuttle]

wait mb I am wrong, it had the single shot gun removed. I mean two separate gun choices

[stark wind]

They're in test

[scenic olive]

He lies. They got rid of the one shot gun a while ago😂

[dark jackal]

I am trying to decide Rhm pzw or tvp 50/51? I have good experience playing lights im wondering if i should switch to meds to see the playstyle

[craggy grove]

Have you played Batchat?

[neat moat]

fv 183 needs buff it has no mobility no camouflage and no accuracy

[craggy grove]

It is almost as if its entire point is huge alpha damage..

[glad flower]

0/10

[dark jackal]

Have not yet

Is it busted?

[craggy grove]

No, but it is rather similar to TVP, both are mobile 320ish alpha autoloaders with 3 shells.

[scarlet karma]

Give maus 3k HP back?

[naive hawk]

I would like accuracy buff, which also indirectly increase it survivability

[neat moat]

fv 4005 has more alpha and some other autoloaders has more alpha

[clear flax]

When will it be in the store?

[light meteor]

Yeah, few tanks have two canons options on tier X
(But not Vz)
Also Foch, Yoh, E100

[rocky birch]

Sumo needs buff on gun takes to long to put dmg into someone and to long to reload/ chieftain(tier ten) needs the option of two gun one with Hesh and one with APCR

[dark jackal]

Oh nice ill check it out

[dark jackal]

Think about it. It can do 950 and roll back into cover instantaneously. No autoloader can do that

[vague fiber]

1300 💀

[vague fiber]

Get this guy out of here.

[clear flax]

Do you find that your jagdpanzer e100 gets easily tracked (enemy fires on my tracks and gets easily broken)?

[clear flax]

He forgot the details: top speed 45 reverse 30, camo buff to 91%, dispersion to .21, also tungsten, sand bags and reactive

[vague fiber]

.21 dispersion smh needs at least .18 and have gear oil

[dark jackal]

If they hit either your front/back drive sprocket its an easy track

[clear flax]

[clear flax]

So I selected enhanced tracks but so I also need to select improved modules to further strengthen the tracks?

[dark jackal]

Yup if youd like. However i rather run toolbox for the repair speed buff. If you get tracked a lot a multi purpose + repair kit should be enough.

[clear flax]

Ok thanks

[vague fiber]

Toolbox

[craggy grove]

Do you people think M41D or Type 62 is better?

[dark jackal]

Id go type 62 any day. Got recently buffed with adaptive, crazy good view range and prammo pen. You can also get troll bounces on the turret. Drive into a bush, spot, slap and retreat. Love it

[fluid burrow]

buff tier 8 soviet mediums to 8 deg of gun depression along with tungsten and more pen values

[craggy grove]

Either or, not both.

[fluid burrow]

both. you dont realise how bad soviet mediums are suffering without gun depression

if not gun depression give them highest amount of frontal armour so that people need premium shells to pen
because soviet mediums neither have armour nor mobility

[craggy grove]

I do and I have both T-54 Mod 1 and T-44-100. Still, just because they have terrible guns, you should give them everything else.

[fluid burrow]

and more pen

i cant cut through e75 even with premium like what was wg thinking to keep soviet pen values so low?
buff them right now.

not to mention they got like 0 dpm

[dark jackal]

If you play meds or lights id advise ignoring the heavy flank or situating yourself to face heavies head on. You need to find opportunities for side shots and early game adv.

[fluid burrow]

take a look at other mediums vs soviet mediums , they perform worse
it feels like i have to scavenge with the amount of pen and bad accuracy that they have

[craggy grove]

If you angle T-54 mod 1 cannot be penned by under 200mm pen frontally except cupolas.

[fluid burrow]

i do get troll bounces but when my shell bounces .. i have to wait another 8 seconds for another shell
which is really bad for the amount of pen this tank has

same goes for the STG waiting 13 seconds to get another shell with similar pen is not worth it

[craggy grove]

If you face E 75 angling, no tier 8 medium can pen it frontally, prammo or not, unless they hit cupola.

[craggy grove]

STG feels very pointless compared to WZ 122 to be honest.

[fluid burrow]

exactly or t34 3

[fluid burrow]

he wasnt even angling..

[lime comet]

I have a question, if I don't exchange these resources are they going to disappear or are all actions on UT4 going to be reseted like in UT3 / when it finally releases?

[marble willow]

Good question i dont know

[craggy grove]

[unkempt quest]

Anything on the test stays on the test. After the test is over, the test account will be deleted

[lime comet]

Thanks!
With the knowledge all of this is a test and will stay a test... IT'S TIME TO GAMBLE ALL OF MY GOLD🗣️🔥

[onyx shore]

Anyone noticing an increase in ammoracks lately? Ive seen around 20 racks in both regular and boss mode battles in the last couple days

[fluid burrow]

i cant pen e75's lower plate with premium apcr aswell lol

[tardy lintel]

sure buddy

[wind summit]

ehmm.....guys? I thought Wargaming buff the TS-5 gun depression from 5 to 7 now?
Why am i checking TS-5 profile in-game and only 5 degree of gun depression?
But on Tankopedia (Blitzkit) showing 7 degree?

[scenic olive]

It’s 7 now. Ts5 is still booty though😂

[obtuse rover]

E75 just like that d goat

[rocky sentinel]

The STG has a faster aiming time, it’s way lower down, and has the second best camo values for its tier and has better turret armor. So no the STG isn’t pointless it’s just different.

[rocky sentinel]

Uhh you want to also buff the 590? The tank that has 8 degrees of gun depression, armor most mediums could dream of and more penetration on top of its 275 Heat? And give it tungsten? And the 274a gun depression and armor are fine.

Imo all Soviet mediums should have highest DPS across most mediums, armor enough that they can get bounces against AP and some premium, mobility and a minimum of 6-7 degrees of gun depression. The issue to why most soviet medium stink is that WG’s balancing just power creeps everything. So either the older tanks require more buffs which add to the steamrolls or really great to OP vehicles need nerfs.

It’s not going to get better in reforged when the equipment changes come along and tanks get more DPM with rammer and we have to now fight tanks like the Grom and Gonkiewicza with less penetration.

[wheat heron]

WZ 112-2 have some problems with aiming and equipment

[oak coral]

It's just simply inaccurate

[placid kestrel]

That's tier 8 heavies

Par for the course

[ocean cairn]

Buff tsl-7 defender!!

[rocky birch]

Give chieftain (tier ten) two guns one with hesh and one with out hesh it needs it

[rocky sentinel]

I love how that was demanded and shouted at WG’s face by everyone who loved the old Chieftain. Only for them to simply not.

[obtuse rover]

Yes please bruh I’m not the only one

[rocky birch]

i hate playing the Chieftain and going against the type 5 for instance and not being able to pen the front it needs second gun

[obtuse rover]

I miss laser gun it just felt more reliable and more fun honestly

[crystal dragon]

does anyone agree tht the role of graviton is too overpowered n ruins the purpose of battle most of the times?

[obtuse rover]

Yes very annoying but good for clutch when ur losing

[crystal dragon]

uk this one game i was healing the boss n was next to him n some stupid black hole 20m above me sucks me too (i died) 🥀 😭

[obtuse rover]

Big boss is both the most fun and most unfun gamemode, maybe if gravity ability was limited to 2 per team but that kinda defeats the purpose of fun modes just being random

[crystal dragon]

i agree one or 2 times is acceptable but when it happens repeatedly i just feel like giving up gng 😭

[obtuse rover]

Love it tho when we’re down and we clutch up cuz 2 gravitons suck in the whole enemy team on a building

[crystal dragon]

lmaoo best feeling but feels unfair aswell xD

[nimble zodiac]

There's always random matches

[crystal dragon]

lmaoo, i joined after like 6 months randomly n started playin big boss

[nimble zodiac]

Well I hope you enjoy it! If you have concerns about how good (or bad) some tanks are performing in normal matches, you can discuss it here

[crystal dragon]

yoss okk

[pine grove]

Should i use the auto leader on 116 F3 or just the regular gun?

[crystal dragon]

just do inky pinky ponky n select one just like u do in mcqs 😆 😭

[dense aurora]

I hate it that i still got stuck inside terrain and house😥

[terse cairn]

Agree

[velvet cove]

All things considered 263 needs better gun handling

Rapid fire low alpha gun being more inaccurate than high alpha slow reload gun doesn't make sense

[uneven turtle]

Get in their face

[clear timber]

at-15

granted u have 3600 dpm and can shred any tank in seconds if they sit infront of you for a while

[cobalt quartz]

The at-15 is so overpowered

[clear timber]

I personally don't really like it that much but enjoyable when someone just sits in the open and you shred them in seconds

[cobalt quartz]

Yes.. it was super hard for me to grind for the tortoise because it was so slow 🥲🥲🥲

[clear timber]

Balance by 20km/h top speed lol

[craggy grove]

Bar the second cupola, 122 TM turret is actually better because it is not awkwardly placed and has extra degrees of gun depression, as well as strong UFP to help hulldown playstyle.
Camo values are neat but sadly it is not a light so it can only benefit from them when stationary for the fullest. Moving camo, it is bested by Bourrasque and somehow 590 too? Wow. And that is just mediums.

[cobalt quartz]

Hahahah that is awful 😢 when a light circles u, ur absolutely done for

[clear timber]

The jadgtiger has a top speed of 38km/h

I played it before years ago but that's fast

[cobalt quartz]

Yesss. The jadgtiger is pretty good. I have the grille and its pretty fast. Fast tds are super nice

I only like mobile tanks. If they aren't they test my patience too much 😭😭

[clear timber]

I am a heavy tank main and I even find the at line to be painfully slow

[cobalt quartz]

Wowwww. Thats crazy. I litteraly couldn't drive the tortoise so I used all of my free xp for the fv

[clear timber]

my first tier 10 is the maus semi painful grind to a newbie who doesn't know to play properly

[cobalt quartz]

Yesss!! I feel like the maus is so known so obviously u want to get it. Thats how I felt ab the grille but I prefer ripping off dmg off of ppl. 🙏🙏

[clear timber]

lol I have a 47% win rate on my maus

[scarlet karma]

For me I drive the tortoise to the med flank to abuse the 130mm of HE pen

Rips 500 off meds every 6ish seconds if adrenaline is running

[unique scaffold]

Tortoise have hesh now????

[craggy grove]

Most british tanks have improved HE penetration.

[craggy grove]

Okay, hear me out:
Make a 120mm gun for M-VI-Yoh a 155mm one, with following stat changes:

450 -> 520-540 damage per shot;
Intraclip 1.71 -> 2.25
Full clip reload 21.10 -> 22
Aim time 2.59 -> 1.99
Dispersion 0.384 -> 0.365

[hushed token]

I agree .In return , give it 4 degrees of gun depression , 8 horsepowers per ton , 25 km/h and 23mm of armor on all surfaces

[terse beacon]

Good ragebait

[craggy grove]

I am deadass serious.

[indigo tide]

So a fv4005 but without the balancing part ? With hp, armor and short intraclip ?

[terse beacon]

So you legitimately think a heavy doing 1080 in 2 seconds that also happens to have 10 degrees gun dep, decent turret armour and reticle cali + intraclip boost is a good idea? Uhuh yeah no I'm calling ragebait

[craggy grove]

Less mobile, with worse accuracy, longer clip reload and worse pen.

[craggy grove]

M-VI-Yoh still has reticle cali and intraclip boost??? My bad.

[uneven turtle]

900 damage in 1.7 seconds is already stupid enough

[craggy grove]

Or you could play T57 and deal 1200 damage in 3.3 seconds...

[uneven turtle]

1125 btw

But anyways that’s only with intra clip boost that you can activate every now and then

Yoh has a permanent 1.7 second intra clip

[craggy grove]

Bruv when did they make every 120mm gun have a different alpha

[thick condor]

not just 120s. a lot of 150-155s got goofed too

[craggy grove]

Lower alpha than 105mm and 110mm guns and it does not even have 4 shells in the clip 🥀

[craggy grove]

150-155 have always been goofed, or at least ever since the 60TP.

[thick condor]

yeah but even more so now. 268 does like 680 and grille does less than 600 iirc
havent kept track really dont play much anymore

miss when it was 640 with the occasional 560

[rocky sentinel]

Yeah it’s easier to go hull down in the 122 TM but the STG is better if you can hide the hull which isn’t that hard with its very short profile. Not mention is easier to hide the STG hatch because it’s just one hatch. And the STG still has better aiming time. And it doesn’t need to be a light for its camo to be useful, when you go to spot you can actually out-spot mediums because of the camo. I’ll say this: The 122TM is better in more situations, but the STG still has advantages in some other areas. Just because it’s better in more situations doesn’t make the other pointless.

People complain about 4005 and it’s 1300 clipping damage when the Foch 155 with tungsten does the same, along with stupid good armor, and better reverse.

[rocky sentinel]

We don’t need a 155 MM that has a 2.2 second introclip. And getting better DPM, and a faster aiming time? Sounds like Anggael saying the FV4005 needs a 2 second intro-clip even though he is the only person saying that. This would be broken in a heartbeat. What should be done if you want a 155 MM is it should have Type 5 accuracy, a 6 second introclip, with 2.3k DPM at max, imo more like 2.1k maybe 2.2k.

It should also have 330 base heat.

[thick condor]

about the 4005 tho, can we agree spall liner is unhealthy for the game?
it shouldnt be 25%
literally pointless to use your brain and use an alternative shell

[rocky sentinel]

The ONLY tank that should get spall liner is the WT E100.

But yes, I agree spall liner is just a way that the stupid plays are less punishing.

[twin egret]

Go play WoT Lesta then

It's called the H-3

[timber flume]

I hate when I HE them just to get garbage damage and return I lose near or above 1k hp

[rocky sentinel]

Turbo battles will be gone with this little change: Tier ten gets -400 DPM, tier 9 gets -300, tier 8 -100 to -250 DPM. Tier 7 gets -100 DPM all autoloaders and autoreloaders get an extra 2-5 seconds on their introclips. Your welcome.

[thick condor]

dont put yourself in a situation to trade with one of the better tanks for trading?

[rocky sentinel]

Say that when a 4005 yolo’s.

[craggy grove]

I think that as little tanks as possible should have spall liners so that their weak armor is actually a disadvantage.

[rocky sentinel]

Yeah, and lights shouldn’t have spall either.

But the issue is that the WT E100 is arguably the largest tank in the game, with trash camo.

[craggy grove]

That has 400 alpha from the supertest and is basically a T57 with an extra shell rather than what I suggested.

[craggy grove]

What lights have spall liners again? Let me guess, Rhm?

[obtuse rover]

Please give amx 50 b old hull armor and can nerf alpha to 400

[craggy grove]

I feel like it is fine as is. It is strong but you can punish it if it pushes you hard.

[obtuse rover]

Yes it’s good rn just miss when it had usable hull armor for baiting in corridor, not like u could trade safely cuz to shoot you need to expose paper turret

[twin egret]

What supertest? It does 750 and already is released

What extra shell? It only has 2

[craggy grove]

Jee, man, I do not know, google it.

[twin egret]

I specifically said Lesta, lol

[craggy grove]

Sobbing emoji.

[timber flume]

Kinda hard not to when a snail can reverse faster and not get spotted

[craggy grove]

@twin egret

[twin egret]

Yeah I said Lesta

[unique scaffold]

I got back recently into the game but in my memories the 50b had 4 shell, no?

[craggy grove]

Yeah when it had dumpster accuracy, current armor and 380 alpha.

[craggy grove]

Yeah it gave me those stats when I entered H3 Lesta duh.

[rocky sentinel]

Bat chat

[unique scaffold]

So they buffed the alpha but deleted a shell :/

[twin egret]

Just say u didn't see me say Lesta its not that hard lol

[craggy grove]

I did I literally shown you me type a "H3 Lesta" google search??? 😭 😭 😭

[twin egret]

U gave me stats for the non-lesta version tho? After I said Lesta

[craggy grove]

I totally forgot it had that.

[craggy grove]

I said it gave me those stats from a "H3 Lesta" search??? Can you not read??

[twin egret]

Lmao

[craggy grove]

[rocky sentinel]

Imagine not achieving this 🗿

[twin egret]

Check sources next time, it was for World of Tanks, not the lesta variant

[mortal estuary]

i think Titan H-Nd should be buffed ngl its worse than titan-54d in my opinion, it gets hit in the ammorack everywhere and the dynamic armor aint doing anything, mid tank for tier VI-VIII overall (tho idk how to buff it correctly without it being a monster)

[junior rock]

When will different attachments be added to bz75

[daring topaz]

هلو

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

[brave dragon]

English chat and nickname please.

[stark wind]

Check #blitz-memes

[cinder shard]

#🏆ut4-contest-for-kust

[primal yacht]

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[brave dragon]

.
UT Contest Entries for the KUST tank

After battle screenshot + in game name + player ID number ------>>> ⁠🏆ut4-contest-for-kust

• UT Chat & Feedback = English only in the UT4 channels.

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[main yarrow]

Please buff the K-91

[marble willow]

No need its good as is

[slate talon]

the world would be perfect if they tilt the E100 turret plating by like 5 degrees more

[marble willow]

Did you angle today?

[nimble zodiac]

What about it is dragging it down too far?

[slate talon]

u can't angle when you r trying to actually shoot someone while sidescrapping

[nimble zodiac]

Well that's where you high damage per shot comes in. You out-trade the enemy, and since you have lots of armor and HP, chances are you're winning the trade

[slate talon]

getting sniped and trying to play hull down is the most problematic though

[terse beacon]

Maybe because e100 isn't a hulldown tank...?

[marble willow]

Playing superheavies in a light/med hulldown meta will always feel like youre at a disadvantage

[slate talon]

its just a patience problem for me it just feels wrong when you have to play a super heavy this carefully

[marble willow]

Yeah positioning is key. Find somewhere that allows you to trade as well block shots and distract the enemy. Youll see that some maps just suck

[naive hawk]

You would lost the internal volumn by that process if the length is stay the same

Slope armor is not "free"

[waxen geode]

Fellow Unicum, Super Unicum and pro players. What's the best gun for the SP IC? Thank you for your time.

[wary saddle]

Double shot

[slate talon]

SP IC is a hit and run tank and the double shot gives you more chances to do damage

[waxen geode]

Thank you both!

[celest light]

Why give a lansen C the invis+rammer ability in mad games, and give a panther ii the accelerator and stealth??
It makes no sense, and why remove the panther 2's rammer ability? and isnce when???

[hushed token]

Panther 2 lost rammer ?? Welp , bisonte here I go

[quasi summit]

Is e50m still goated?

[ivory quiver]

It’s a rammer

That doesn’t ram

[uneven turtle]

Yeap

[craggy grove]

ASTRON Rex needs shell reload boost to be honest.

[hushed token]

And an new legendary camo . The current one looks ugly as heck due to the color

[craggy grove]

I think it is fine, but a realistic one would be great.

[marble willow]

They should remake that camo. It has potential

[craggy grove]

#🏆ut4-contest-for-kust

[rain violet]

@craggy grove senk

[twin egret]

For balance reasons

WG really likes to make jokes honestly to the point they're making fun of some tanks

Example: Churchill GC

It has Rammer Rig and Chameleon

But it goes 25 as its top speed and only weighs 40 tons

The thing is too slow to ram things, even with Chameleon

[barren goblet]

Chimera, defender mk1 saboteur+accelerator. I think they had better abilities also ( irradiator but not sure)

[twin egret]

Remember when the amx CDC had Rammer Rig and Chameleon but WG changed its abilities an update later

I'm half convinced these sudden changes at random times were done because a dev got affected personally in a random game

They didn't bat an eye at the Panther II at all when that tank also had the same abilities for a much longer time

[twin egret]

And ngl I'm also convinced this is what happened when WG randomly decided to nerf the Leopard PT A for no good reason in a random update

[primal mauve]

buff the STG in terms of DPM,reload time and gun depression on both sideways and back
it’s been pretty underwhelming with 1700+ dpm

[nimble bluff]

Leo pta is worse than the ru

[fluid burrow]

randomize tank abilities in mad games

[grave vault]

Yessirr I want the "Hammer" ability for my BZ-176.

[fluid burrow]

i want ramming rig for my STG

[grave vault]

Isn't STG slow though.

[fluid burrow]

yes but it has concealment

[grave vault]

Yeah I see where you are going with that.

[fluid burrow]

yep

honestly mad games would be way more fun if random tanks had random abilities instead of the same ones again and again

[grave vault]

You got a fair point.

It would be chaotic and fun.

[fluid burrow]

indeed, who wouldnt want to see a maus drift

[grave vault]

Maus with invisibility ability.

I don't know the ability names, so.

[fluid burrow]

invisibility is concealment
super speed boost is high octane fuel
ramming rig is for ram damage
armor regen is for health recovery
irridator is more damage dealt when enemy tank is marked
battle coordinator is passive skill for lower aiming time and reload (bad passive honestly)
and few others i dont remember

[grave vault]

Damn, I see, thanks Arcanin.

But I personally like the Battle Coordinator.

It's so satisfying to dump 490 alpha for 5s. rather than 10s. In Minotauro.

[fluid burrow]

it depends on how much % cool down you get

imagine if all your allies die

[craggy grove]

Battle coordiantor is not bad, it just does not have any fun to it, its just "stick to allies to get more DPM"

[fluid burrow]

yeh

[grave vault]

Yeah fair.

[fluid burrow]

which is really common in mad games lol

[grave vault]

Absolutely true.

I guess I'll stick to ammoracking in my T34.

[fluid burrow]

remove tornvagns 3rd shell
make it only two shell auto reloader
buffing two or 3 tanks and making them over powered isnt balancing

[grave vault]

That actually is a good idea.

Which at least gives some room for the Emil II.

[fluid burrow]

emil 2 armour is just bad.
and the tank gun is mid ngl

[grave vault]

Emil II deserves more attention.

[fluid burrow]

i dont want tornvagn users to yolo and deal 1260 worth clip and return to cover

[fluid burrow]

indeed

[grave vault]

True, for myself, I just go hulldown and shoot bang-bang. Just the first two.

[fluid burrow]

thats still 840 damage and enemy cant do anything

[grave vault]

Still true.

[craggy grove]

You get best DPM when using the last shell though.

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

Also petition to give AMX 50 B Shell Reload Boost

[grave vault]

Wait for real? I didn't know that.

[craggy grove]

It is 11.6 seconds for the last shell in the drum, and 9.14+4 for the other two. So if you fire your first shell, you'll load it back for 11.6 seconds, and if you fire 2nd or 3rd it will take you 13.14s to load it back.

[grave vault]

Dang, I see it now.

Alright, thanks Strv.

[craggy grove]

You are welcome, 2491. 🫶

[nimble bluff]

What’s the worst t10

[terse cairn]

I don't think there is any worst tier 10 but I would say 114 SP 2 is too mid

[nimble bluff]

Yh

I wanna say the m60

[terse cairn]

M60 got buffs and I think it is better than m48

[nimble bluff]

Turret armour broken rest or armour and pens

[nimble bluff]

Nah it’s a reskin or the m48 gave it a flashlight that don’t work and said it’s a new tanks 😭

[terse cairn]

Still I think m60 is pretty strong rn

[terse beacon]

183

[cinder python]

i want a balance for fv4005 tbh

its hella op in mad games,

[coarse shuttle]

WG need to add the reticle calibration to more tanks. (KV-2, KV-JR, Smasher, ISU-152, just to name a few) When it comes to adding new maps, as I asked 3-4 years ago, add maps based on historic documents like the battle for Berlin, battle for Kursk, and the battle for Stalingrad. I have little doubt such information can be found at the Eisenhower museum in Kansas. When it comes to reforge, keep it! "IF" management took the time and asked us 2-3 years ago, it wouldn't have the company so heavily invested in something that no one wants but them! Management should be forever grateful that the senior stockholders haven't voted a few people out of their jobs! We DO NOT want the sets, we DO NOT want the keys! Furthermore, if people using a cellphone are having difficulty with reforged and with IU5, people using the Nintendo Switch will not be able to play the game at all! Or is this the whole purpose behind it? Again, keep reforged, we don't want it! The company has already lost around 40,000 CUSTOMERS based company's data. How many more are you willing to lose in North America alone?

[meager sky]

Nerf obj252U

[wicked quest]

“Smasher and isu need reticle calibration” kindly leave this place better yet stay in low tier

[glad flower]

3/10 ragebait

[rocky birch]

it is already nerfed it not OP or good any more its absulte trash practicaly

[meager sky]

yeah u cant pen it on the side but its normal(because you will juste hit tracks bruh

[rocky birch]

yes but it has horible gun and no gun depresion and the sides armor is on most russian tanks

[meager sky]

Still have op armor and no the gun is ok for its armor

[rocky birch]

its "OP" at a 1v1 other then that its not good

[rocky birch]

tornvagen just needs to go back to tier eight with no clip gun

[fluid burrow]

it was pretty good even in tier 8 , i dunno why wg made it tier 9 with a busted mechanism
which is 100 times better than emil 2

[meager sky]

ITS A HEAVY ITS FOR 1V1 WHAT DO YOU WANT IT FOR

Also,BUFF AMX AC46 ARMOR PLEASE ITS PAIN,WHEN YOU PLAY A T95(EVEN SLOWER) WITH NO ARMOR A A GOOD GUN ITS BAD ITS LIKE A LIGHT

[random jolt]

Kpz 07p e as a tier X?

[marble willow]

You know whats op? Leopard 1

Now im regretting not having the concept for mad games

[uneven turtle]

The average player is not going to be able to fully utilize the leopard 1, its a skill based tank, its not op, but it’s very very good in the right hands

Op tanks are just tanks that can somewhat account for the lack of skill in a player as well as also perform extremely well under a good player’s control

[south helm]

Everything is easy if you know how

[uneven turtle]

You don’t say😶

[marble willow]

Im talking about the Leo in mad games bru

[marble willow]

Its not op in a 1v1 you can overmatch its hull in a facehug, it has bad dpm and weak sides. Its op because despite the bad dom you have an autoreloader and are unkillable hulldown

Oh i thought you were talking abt the torn ballllright

[meager sky]

WEAK? ITS LIKE THE MOST ARMORED VIII FROM THE SIDE IF U TRY U HIT THE TRACKS

[marble willow]

Caps. Also did u read what i said?

[meager sky]

You were tzlking abt the tornvagn?

[marble willow]

Ye

[timber flume]

If you asking for a nerf on that that's an major skill issue on your part

[hushed token]

Just load premium shell and aim better

[timber flume]

In the past it was my go to heavy I remember holding off 4 people could've won too if the 5th person didn't appear now it don't even feel the same nor do I get a lot of bounces anymore

[meager sky]

"aim better" 50% hit armor 50% hit tracks

[hushed token]

Yup, that is just your skill issue . Aim better

[meager sky]

"aim better"

[hushed token]

Just aim better bruh . Who ask you to shoot the red armor then complain

[nimble zodiac]

Here's your solution. Just take a little care of your aim when you fire at the sides is all.

I typically avoid shooting at the low side of the tracks because y'know, tanks don't drag their bellies on the ground, no there's nothing to hit

Aim for the lower segment that's clear, if possible. The upper sides get quite effective at an angle since they're already angled

[naive hawk]

Tbf, 252u is mostly gold proof. But it is not an op tank yeah

[obtuse rover]

No need, k2 honestly better

[naive hawk]

Lol, point specific point of armor and say, "i cannot pen it so it must be nerf"

[obtuse rover]

U also have to be careful aiming at sides of is7 it’s jus a feature soviet heavy have

[edgy tinsel]

HEY UH question for the devs... is there any chance that the E100 gets a faster aim time??? it just feels a bit too slow in my opinion, and i still miss at long range 20% of the time 🙁

[naive hawk]

This thing shouldn't even have the armor so it need a nerf ahh logic

[obtuse rover]

R u using the big gun? I suggest the stock gun it’s pretty insane

[edgy tinsel]

or maybe just skill issue fr me 🥺🥺🥺

YA, but i like slugging with HE on the 2nd gun tho 🙁

[obtuse rover]

it’s like a derp gun so slower aim time

[hushed token]

I would nerf its camo rate when stand still . Seeing a random 183 stays in the open ground without being detected hurts my mental health

[naive hawk]

150 mm gun got a nerf quite a while, even then it also not even that good.

15cm is just plain bad

[edgy tinsel]

😭😭😭😭😭😭

why they kill my baby

[timber flume]

me casually pulls up in a TD

[edgy tinsel]

THO I DO... wish we got the pz4 with slanted armor lk dis

[nimble zodiac]

Krupp-38(D)

[edgy tinsel]

look closly, its pz4 but slanted armor

[nimble zodiac]

Idc about the turret box. Also you could have Pz. V/IV

I'd also say Pz. III/IV but it has a different build going on and also you can't get it rn

[edgy tinsel]

ya.. ya, i just wish we had it, the krupp is good, but the 38t suspension just doesn't hit me right

but i digress

[solid hedge]

Tornvagn so trash bruh

[timber flume]

Maus needs a buff

[rocky birch]

Same here, loved the tank two years ago, but now it's trash, no dmg, no gun depresion the only thing it sorta has is the side armor, but not realy

[timber flume]

I understand the no gun depression due to its size but armour wise it feels worthless to be called a super heavy meanwhile the vk75 is perfect

[rocky birch]

exactly

[timber flume]

Wot modern warfare the Maus is actually annoying to deal with

[naive hawk]

Lol, to be fair that's the only thing going for it(and it isn't even that reliable)

[waxen geode]

How do you properly use the SP IC? Thank you. I'm struggling.

[timber flume]

Dont get spotted

Dont lick any Russian looking tank

Spot

[quasi summit]

Is sheridan good?

[scarlet karma]

570 damage for 13 seconds reload is great

Spaced armor on upper front, turret face, sides

I wonder why sheridan went from 560 to 570 though. 560 was fine before

[quasi summit]

So is it good?

[scarlet karma]

it outtrades all other mediums or lights #general-blitz-discussion might be a better place I think

[timber flume]

It's good til u get licked by someone else who can nuke you

BZ-75 for example

Good couple of times my shells bounce off a sheri and each time I wanted to rage quit I understand bouncing off an E50 but not a sheri

[solid hedge]

U hit the Spaced armor , thats why bounce

[long hornet]

mhmm

[marble willow]

Its insanely good. Id say its more beginner friendly

[primal mauve]

increase Centurion Mk5/1 alpha damage
190 -->210
DPM: 2170--> 2377 (double food + calibrated shell included)
I hope it could work more effectively because it suffers low dpm currently

[celest light]

yeah its an absolute joke, balance is good in normal battles, but this is MAD games, why the name? cause its suppose to be chaotic and mad no?

I hate how a bunch of tanks has ability that suits them worst,
I hate how they removed the super speed on the hellcat, and rammer from pather2,
I hate how they removed healing from most mediums/lights and gave them dash + stealth who needs them least
I hate how they give tanks that suck at ramming the rammer ability

Anyone else agree that they dont really care about Balance in mad games and just wants it to be fun?
While it feels like wg is deliberately trying to make it not fun?

Now that only a few tanks have healing, and everyone is spamming no other than the bisonte, everything just feels like it dies faster, despite being more "balanced".

plus I dont want to spam bisonte every game, it gets boring, its not just me right?

[indigo tide]

I agree with all of this except for the rammer invisibility combo. It should not exist, because it destroys all the fun for the opponant, and like you said, fun is the most important

[timber flume]

@celest light I avoid a lot of game modes including that

10v10 is the main one I play the most

[fluid burrow]

buff t28 defender magazine reload from 20 seconds to 14 seconds

[timber flume]

That definitely needs one

[twin egret]

Was hoping the Rammer had 30m Dash and Rammer Rig

But no they gave it like Battle Coordinator and Chameleon or something

[muted rampart]

This tank is already stupid enough.

If you give it proper turret weakspots then fine.

Otherwise no, we don't need any more stupid pretty much imprevious when hulldown tanks running around. The DPM is so low precisely to counterbalance the insane turret armor it has

[primal mauve]

yeah increase the copula size

[stark wind]

Collector one?

[primal mauve]

yeah

[stark wind]

How much seconds does it needs to reload

[primal mauve]

5.2s with calibrated shells and 4.9-5.0s with rammer

[stark wind]

Bruh

[timber flume]

@primal mauve

[primal mauve]

ok

[naive hawk]

If you want to playa mediocre armor turret, great gun, maybe chieftain might be the answer?

[primal mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-22092754

I might be silly again

[naive hawk]

Lol, that's fine. Imo cen 5/1 is a boring tank for me.

[primal mauve]

pretty boring tbh because most you do is hull down and pew pew

[naive hawk]

True, also I just recognize the tank that have the characteristic that you just said. Even more similar than Chieftain.

The Centurion Mk1

[primal mauve]

British tanks moment

STG would be less boring to play if it had better dpm

[timber flume]

Wouldn't it be easier to add tanks and tech trees from WOT into WOTB?

[stark wind]

No

[slate talon]

it would be hard for mobile players to play tanks with abilities like strv 103 or canopener

[timber flume]

The strumtiger line could be like the Caliban but free

Theres a lot of tanks on WOT yea some won't work but can't say all won't

I already know the double barrels not joining

[stark wind]

Strumtiger is in lesta

[timber flume]

? Idk what lesta is

[stark wind]

They're in test and they will come to the lesta not wotb but it can come to wotb too

[stark wind]

Lesta is Russian version of wotb

[timber flume]

no fair

[fringe egret]

Lesta gets all sorts of crazy stuff

[timber flume]

How the Russian side get the cool stuff

[slate talon]

Lesta operates independtly from war gaming they are two companies

[stark wind]

Different leaders. Sadly wotb leader is too greedy

[fringe egret]

At the least the xm57 can join tier X like the xm66f

[timber flume]

I wanna join the lesta side now just because of the other tanks being added there

[stark wind]

You can only download lesta if ur in Belarus/Russia but still even if you don't live there you can use vpn

Also lesta isn't p2w so you can easily get so much stuff

[timber flume]

Time to dig myself a hole until I can get a new xbox

[stark wind]

Lol

[timber flume]

If I was in charge I would be adding an tech tree or special tank from WOT into WOTB for example WOT modern armor I would grab one of the mercenary tanks

The sharp shooter for example (chieftain) into the game

[fallen mist]

Well, with the double barreled tech tree lines, specifically the Russian heavy line, we do have a hold fire mechanic in place with one of the settings that's already in the game, I could see WG adapt that for that particular line

For something like the Canopener or the STRV lines, I could see them do something like what they do with the the hybrid nation line on Lesta, add the ability switch below the consumables

[wicked swan]

Type 5 please nerf

[timber flume]

Wish they took the tech tree route on that

And buffed the maus

Leave the square as a weak point just add more hull and turret armour so it could fit the title of super heavy

[mild parrot]

been awhile since ive yapped here and I don't miss it. but here we go cause I have nothing better too do.

**JgPz E100: **
Needs buffs that aren't bandaids. it's slow and easily bullied. Misses more than the 183 it feels with it's horrible on move dispersion factors.
IT'S GUN DOESN"T NEED MORE ALPHA/TUNGSTEN

suggestion - give it combat stabs and a track durability increase.

**BZ-75: **
The tank as a platform is bad, it's armour cannot be made good in any logical way. Running the 130mm gun works, but is rough because the tank is meant to peak/trade/hide (like with the 152mm). HESH however, is not everyone cup of tea.

suggestion - change it's 130mm into it's proper 152mm gun, or add a third gun option for a 152mm with standard prammo.

E75 TS:
The tier change sucked, the attempt at making it a low alpha dpm heavy failed, the design of the tank does not support this kind of play.

suggestion - Make it fit between the E 75 and E 100.
Give it a 530(ish) alpha gun with 2000 dpm.
review and adjust mobility and armour if need. (dont think it is tho)

Skorpion G:
older tank, needs some love to better compete with it's competition

suggestion - Give it adaptive concealment. it's camo isn't great due to size. The regular camo reset of 10 secs is the same as it's reload, making it very easy to predict when it'll re-peak. Adaptive gives it more freedom to work around it's bad camo.

AMX defender:
The AMX 13 90 has received buffs over time and this thing hasn't been touched. it could use small buffs to improve it's performance.

suggestion - Buff gun elevation from 10 - 12, and give it shell reload boost.

ShPTK-TVP 100:
similarly suffers from bad camo like the Skorpion G.

suggestion - add adaptive concealment

ISU-152:
fun tank, no ammo. all it needs is a max ammo increase, primarily for enjoyment in fun game modes.

[timber flume]

Out of that I disagree with the scorpion needing more camo idk your experiences but I've had scorpions and that other paper TD (I forgot it's name, I think its a su) sit in a bush like 150 near me and not spotted i refuse on that

Idk if the tank I used had bad spotting or whateva but that nah xd

[mild parrot]

i didnt say to give it more camo.
just adaptive, so that you as the player know you are spotted sooner and then go unspotted sooner

the SU-130PM has great camo.
the Skorpion doesn't,

[timber flume]

Thx for clarifying I misunderstood it at first ❤

Wish I was told when I'm spotted enough theres a few times I almost thrown my phone just because I think I'm unspotted just to pull out and boom I was still seen

[vague fiber]

STOP SMOKING! NO TDS NEED ADAPTIVE UR INSANE! WHY THE HELL DOES THE E75TS NEED 530 ALPJA

this is the reason wargaming doesnt listen to us

[mild parrot]

Ok so buff the Skorpions camo to 80 like the Su 130 PM then

And why does the E75 TS need to be the biggest disappointment of a tank in the whole game?

[vague fiber]

E75ts shouldnt get 530 alpha, imo maybe add like a bit mroe dpm and mobility

[mild parrot]

No. The reason they don’t listen is cause they literally do not care.

It took like 60% of their long term playerbase saying they’ll quit if they push reforged out in its first announced state. Just for them to smarten up.

[vague fiber]

Trust me its because playrs like you have horrible takes

[mild parrot]

Uhhh no.

The platform does not function with the low alpha/high dpm playstyle

[vague fiber]

bruh it good has it is the alpha isnt even the worst in the world

[mild parrot]

380 on a massive box of a T9 heavy tank.

It’s the worst t9 heavy tank alpha.
And it’s design makes its armour mediocre no matter what.

Good hull, horrible turret

[vague fiber]

if u want 530 alpha go play the tier 9 BZ.
380 isnt horrible, it has pretty good dpm too

[mild parrot]

Keep crying

My takes here are actually extremely balanced.

Nothing about any of my suggestions are trying to push the tank into being OP.

Have you read 90% of the suggestions here?
Most of them are unorganized whining.
Just like your unorganized whining about my balance suggestions.

My suggestions are thought out, well worded, and put in concise notes.

Binu has said in the past that is the kind of feedback is what they listen to.
Not whining.

[vague fiber]

How am I whining. Ur the one angry now because I criticized your takes. BZ-75 with no hesh is pointless and has an existing alternative, the 114sp2. Giving tds adaptive just doesnt make sense, their camo is already pretty decent. I agree with ur jpz changes, but it shouldnt get combat stabs bc its a derp tank, just give it flat better gun handling

[mild parrot]

Yup.
Damn this whiny, pathetic, toxic community.

Ive made what I’ve said clear to be SUGGESTIONS.

yet you’ve decided that you gotta beat me down just cause you don’t like my thoughts.

You are whiny cause all you are doing is “you’re stupid, i don’t like your idea”
You haven’t criticized, you immediately insulted me

I am not impressed by you because your first message was insulting me, not criticizing.
Then you called my takes horrible.

[uneven turtle]

Wowza calm down you two

[mild parrot]

Your last message is the closest you’ve been to “criticism”.

Yet you chose to insult first and the friendly debate option was destroyed by you.

[vague fiber]

what is this message then

[mild parrot]

First message.
Insult and freak out

[vague fiber]

ur takes are kinda horrible imo

[mild parrot]

Second message.
Saying I’m the reason WG doesn’t listen. Insult.

[mild parrot]

Fourth message.
Another insult, saying my opinion is horrible.

[vague fiber]

I explained myself

[mild parrot]

No. Not really.

I said “the E75 TS doesn’t function as a low alpha/high dpm heavy BECAUSE of how the tank itself is designed”
And you didn’t even address that.

You just kept whining about “why 530 alpha”

[uneven turtle]

I think y’all should hop off and have a nice cup of tea

Otherwise this is gonna go on for a long time and attract unwanted attention

To be fair though, e100 is an example of how a low alpha high dpm heavy can be effective(though I wouldn’t call 460 that low either)

[drowsy tundra]

Object 277: added.
WoT Blitz players:

[uneven turtle]

#blitz-memes

[drowsy tundra]

I hope they add Object 277 to the reforge.

[meager sky]

Wait 10month

[drowsy tundra]

before I was born?

[meager sky]

Wdym

[mild parrot]

(Ew. Light mode user)

If you want a dpm heavy go play the Conqueror.
Better dpm, alpha, has standard HE Hesh, better mobility, and an armour profile that although also bad, is more effective than the E75 TS’s in action.

The t9 BZ is a mediocre tank too.
It’s also a prammo Hesh gun, which simply because of that it’s gun handling is even worse. And you don’t have prammo with pen

You’re whining about the 530 alpha suggestion for the E 75 TS.
Have you considered that the T30 exists?
Better armour, similar mobility, American gun depression and 640 alpha with dpm that’s similar to what the E75TS’s is rn

[vague fiber]

Conqueror and E75TS are completely different playstyles. Conqueror has great armour and could hulldown, but can't sidescrape and its hull armour is pretty bad, so it has to kind of midline. E75TS has more HP, hull armour and could technically frontline.
For your 3rd paragraph, wdym? T30 has WAY less hull armour and WAY less HP. Wdym have I considered T30 exists. So what you're saying is that we should make a flat worse T30?

[fluid burrow]

hwk 30 needs spall lining , tungsten shells adaptive concealment and sand bags.
this is clearly fair balance
what am i supposed to do. when every single tank in the game wants to yolo me and HE pen me eh? explain WG

[vague fiber]

dont forget gear oil reactive, combat stabs, tracer shells, the track repair mechianic, standard hesh, reticle cali, superspeedboost

[mild parrot]

Holy lack of imagination and projection.

Yes the T30 has less armour because it’s a TD.
But it’s also literally the T34 (a t8 heavy) with a bigger gun up at t9.

I’m using as a comparison for how badly it’ll stomp the lower tiers.

Rn the E75 TS isn’t comparable ASIDE FROM DPM RIGHT NOW.

And should it get 530 alpha IT SHOULD COMPARE TO THE E75 AND E100. Not the T30.
I’m saying 640 alpha on a good tank isn’t game breaking, 530 won’t be.

The TS can hardly side scrape and frontline.
It’s hull is great, it’s turret… have you seen it? The design of it means you can’t angle it effectively.
The design would be most effective as a poke and trade tank. Like the E100.
Not a tank that stays constantly exposed to tickle people

[fluid burrow]

hell yeah those stuff are needed aswell

give hwk 30 basically every possible mechanism provision and cosumable to exist only then will it be playable

[mild parrot]

And now you two are just clowning around.
This channel isn’t for legitimate balance suggestions.

Never had been.
Not when this community is this “special”

[vague fiber]

???

[mild parrot]

Why is the TS-60 coming out now.
What?

TS in my last message is me not bother typing out “E75 TS”

[vague fiber]

mb

[mild parrot]

TS-60 is just a weird tank.
I need to do a session in it before I yap on it

[vague fiber]

My argument isn't that 530 will be busted, it's that there is no point of making it when BZ tier 9 exists. Rn e75 ts doesnt really have anything comparable to it

[uneven turtle]

Maybe a stock gun e75

[mild parrot]

You just posted a picture of the better comparable tank.

T9 BZ is also a HESH gun
This wouldn’t be.
It would be a T9 E100 (kinda)

[vague fiber]

ts60 and e75ts are completely diff playstyles, ts60 COULD frontline but not really because lack of HP, e75ts more like an actual heavy.

[mild parrot]

E75 TS turret turns completely gray against light tank prammo.

It’s decent against standard rounds… literally any prammo makes it’s armour useless

[vague fiber]

That's not what I asked/said

[mild parrot]

Im saying. The e75ts doesn’t sidescrape/frontline because of how bad it’s turret is.

[vague fiber]

but u have to load gold and that reduces your dpm against it

[nimble zodiac]

Then armor buff boom we have our conclusion let's move on

[vague fiber]

Nah it "totally" needs 530 alpha

[mild parrot]

And you’ve gone back to insulting me.
Im done. Cya cucks never.

[nimble zodiac]

Well that's not nice

[vague fiber]

Bye!!!

[nimble zodiac]

I figure E75 TS can be generally similar to E75 except it has to play defensive sidescraping instead, angling the turret as it needs to in order to block shells. E75 doesn't have to but it can't afford to angle the turret at all, so has to play the game of getting shot in the turret cheeks.. E75 TS would instead angle so that the turret still becomes weaker on the side, but because of the wider face it has more room to angle without showing the turret sides from behind the building. An armor buff would encourage this playstyle. They're different, but in the same playstyle of sidescraping heavies.

[marble willow]

Very right

[rocky birch]

guys this new centurion 1 is so OP

[twin egret]

it's kinda has a turret similar to the proposed "Henshelsturm" turret for the E-100 though it's probably a false/fake proposal. Aside from that wdym by "E75 TS would instead angle so that the turret still becomes weaker on the side, but because of the wider face it has more room to angle without showing the turret sides from behind the building" do you mean angling the front of the turret towards to the side of the hull that's nearly parallel to the wall?

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

Also petition to give AMX 50 B Shell Reload Boost or less intra-clip

[meager sky]

Where can i sign

[meager sky]

And i think frontale armor should be buffed to 90 to 120

[obsidian socket]

👍 upvotes are appreciated

[wispy mist]

Buff BZ-176

[meager sky]

Sure a heavy with excellent armor and with a 1110 gun for 29sec on a IX is bad sureee

[wispy mist]

It's armour is actually not good, especially the turret cheeks which is big, even hulldown with it 6 degree of gun dipression it is still quite thin, this also accounted for AP shell normalization

[meager sky]

i guess we can buff the turret armor but not much

[wispy mist]

Ok I agree with that

[waxen geode]

Object 752 worth 10K?

[vague fiber]

no. get the 752

[waxen geode]

Sure will!

[marble willow]

Personally i dont like the shell velocity nerfs. With packet loss trying to hit stuff just sucks

[naive hawk]

I thought it was bzt-70, lol. Yeah that's tank look not good

[scarlet karma]

Should calibrated shells be reverted to the 3%? pen increase

[fluid burrow]

what if weekly crates had a charm (15-20 charms for a guaranteed tank)

[naive hawk]

5%

[craggy grove]

I do not think 50 B needs any buffs.

[craggy grove]

I think it should be 5% to APCR, 4% to AP, 7% to HEAT, HE and HESH.

[naive hawk]

Probably hull-armour, i just want it back

[naive hawk]

But the problem is, the buff-Calibrated version was live long enough that WG buff and new-vehicle armor thickness was design specificly for those buff-Calibrated version.

Basically it would make some vehicle armor was too thick than how it should be.

[smoky kestrel]

50 B has no armor while being a heavy

[craggy grove]

It also goes 52kmph while being a heavy.

[smoky kestrel]

So what makes it heavy?

[craggy grove]

HP.

[smoky kestrel]

I guess bro

[craggy grove]

It is also heavier than any medium by a big margin.

Well, except E 50 M, everything else is lighter by 20 or so tonnes.

[naive hawk]

Heavy firepower and turret probably.

[smoky kestrel]

I wouldn't say 50 B has heavy firepower

[naive hawk]

It is, 415 dmg with 3 clip and 2950 DPM is literally definition of heavy firepower
@smoky kestrel

[craggy grove]

Amazing handling too.

[wild knoll]

No, get Tornvagn

[craggy grove]

Tornvagn is not on sale right now though.

[grave plinth]

Nerf tourgvan it turret has no weakness😭

[craggy grove]

They should probably make it two shot like Concept.

[meager sky]

Yes, but a little armor buff so I don't get hit every time.

[meager sky]

Are you talking abt the amx50b or?

And btw just buff a little its pen because its gun irl is really good and its ammo too

It had a 120mm cannon with 250-300mm pen shell

[obsidian socket]

Good morning, reminder to please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank on par with premium tanks, as it's almost twice as expensive. And as is, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough for the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold, while also encouraging a wider variety of tanks in the meta. Thanks

Also petition to give AMX 50 B Shell Reload Boost or less intra-clip

[craggy grove]

No, the Tornvagn.

[meager sky]

K

[craggy grove]

Yeah, it a long 120mm slinging a solid 12cm wide blocks at high power. It is similar to M103 and Conqueror in that regard.

[meager sky]

Well ,It was precisely to rival, so they were actually even better.

[craggy grove]

I would love to see them make it and Batchats top gun 4 or 5 shell clips.

It would be kind of funny.

[fluid burrow]

what if hwk 30 gun is changed from 225 alpha to 560

[naive hawk]

Which part of the tank you need the armour buff?

[meager sky]

Flank

[naive hawk]

Buff flank would make 50b HE proof which destroy characteristic of 50b

[naive hawk]

No, then the slope armor need to reduce effective penetration of shell becaus irl it is

[fluid burrow]

man hwk 30 deserves a buff
225 alpha feels mid as hell
and armour ...
give it concealment while movement and adaptive concealment
along with sand bags and spall lining

[naive hawk]

I still think every collector or gold tank doesn't need to be OP, mid tank is fine as it is.

If you want to play decently-good light tank, M41 90 might be a answer for you.

Maybe even amx-cdc

[fluid burrow]

ik it isnt supposed to be op but honestly think about it , hwk 30 is long when compared to ru 251 or le kpz m41
it has mid dpm the only thing it has is accuracy
look at lt 432 it gets tracer shells and does way better not to mention it does get some troll bounces

[craggy grove]

Can we give Kpz 70 its 1500hp engine?

[fluid burrow]

make hwk 30 so damn dangerous people gonna fear it

[naive hawk]

Then how about get those tank instead.

[fluid burrow]

i have lekpz m41
but i like hwk 30's speed

[naive hawk]

Yes, then play it. No one force you to play the gold tank (it not tech tree)

[fluid burrow]

im playing it because a typical event 3.0 coming soon
i gotta restore my lekpz m41 again if i had to grind that event

[naive hawk]

Yeah, sound like the problem is why you sold it in the first place and then complain Wg must buff the tank that I don't sell

[fluid burrow]

one day or the other hwk 30 is gonna get a buff

[naive hawk]

Maybe but very likely not ridiculously as you requested

[fluid burrow]

i just want spall lining and sand bags

[naive hawk]

It not "just", spall lining literally negated most of dangerous HE in a fight.

Then you request the adaptive concealment

[fluid burrow]

exactly. i dont want some random t49 user to tunnel me specifically and hit me for 800+

[fluid burrow]

eh its just for the memes, give a tank every possible provision and consumable just like prowler

[naive hawk]

Skill issue? T49 is not a a tank that can be easily get sanp shot with.

If you hull-down you basically negated and HE in coming for T49.

[fluid burrow]

hull down doesnt work when a tank is rushing towards me

[naive hawk]

Where is your freind? If you match with T49 you should expect that to happen, stay in the position where they can't recah toward you without getting delete first.

[fluid burrow]

friend they take more than 30 seconds in spawn

[naive hawk]

You are biased, if you could not rush to the enemy without getting delete first, neither the enemy can do

It probability math my dude

[fluid burrow]

what is the purpose of a light tank?
head to a location where i can spot tanks moving and probably get 1 or 2 shots and retreat
and i have to be faster in order to do that
every second matters
and its not math

[naive hawk]

But don't dieing matter more.

[fluid burrow]

when you try to play a light tank and realise people are gonna chase you down till you are dead
lights are harder to play when compared to mediums

[naive hawk]

Skill issue tbh.

[fluid burrow]

skill issue ? i average 2k+ in any tank in tier 8, in hwk 30 im doing less than 1.7k which isnt good

[naive hawk]

Not a light tank. If they chase you they down a active tank in the battle lined.

[fluid burrow]

even in a slower tank like charlemagne i deal 2.4k average damage and almost 3 marked it
marking hwk 30 isnt easy

[naive hawk]

Because Tier 8 are easy and HT are really easy to play.

[fluid burrow]

bro how much do you average in tier 8 tanks

[naive hawk]

As i said, if they chase you they gonna down a tank in a battle lined.

Idk? I am way past my prime. Maybe around 2k in that day.

Depend on a tank. Op i could easily get around 2300

[fluid burrow]

[naive hawk]

You still don't answer me. They literally down a tank chasing you

If they can still chase you while hitting your teammates, then they are just... Good

[fluid burrow]

they are better than my teammates thats all i know

[naive hawk]

I will remind you that base on probability. Under high number of game, the number of only your team getting bad are just astronomically low.

Remind you that human are bias.
Human tend to blame other people in thier team because blaming themselves cause them to stress which is why they don't like. This is an automatic mode if you don't train yourself to do self-reflection.

[fluid burrow]

dude stop lecturing me about psychology
i probably know more about psychology than a graduate
whatever you just said is true but its completely out of context on what we are talking about

[naive hawk]

I just bring up the psychology because I will try to argue your point --> only my teammate are bad. (It doesn't)

[fluid burrow]

if i say my teammates are bad i mean it. if ive played bad i wouldve knew it
i find 2 people dealing 0 damage in my team
this isnt just once it happens way too many times

[naive hawk]

The way you feel because human just focus on negatively event which impact on themself more than positive ain't it?

Unless you can convince me MM are riggred away from you, yeah you would win.

[fluid burrow]

[naive hawk]

Anyway man, have a good day.

[fluid burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/picollo-meme-piccolo-piccolo-meme-piccolo-ishowspeed-gif-10037849242678011202

[fluid burrow]

just played 2-3 random battles and guess what were the results
these type of teams are really common these days

[naive hawk]

I suggest if you gonna be truly good at LT, start playing LT. Stat padding gonna make you suffer.

[fluid burrow]

im only gonna play my lt during a typical event
other than events there is no point in playing this game

[naive hawk]

LT are adept at oppotunistic shot, also don't afraid to forfeit the MT lined if you rhink you cannot win if enemy have brain.

Don't afraid to get 800-900 dmg, embrace it.

[fluid burrow]

embrace it 🥀
i deal 1.6k in hwk 30
and 2.5k average in sheridan
i do more spotting in sheridan

[naive hawk]

Yeah if you play it that's fine,

Imo hwk30 is a mid tank as you said.

But my point is collector and gold tank doesn't need to be good tank, game doesn't force you to play. Of course it gonna get rush because it a mid tank but you could mitigated that to some degree.

My guy T26E4 need even more buff. Maybe to the degree of "mid-tank" and that would be still fine because it got insane credit coeff and it got the point of their own anyway

[azure plaza]

soviet heavy tanks are supposed to have good turret armor

buff the sides here at least to 200, similar to st1

also change the mantlet to match the st1 turret too (248)

[indigo tide]

That’s baiting at that point
Comparing t9 armor with best prammo in the game is wild

[wide pagoda]

Smasher should be buffed.

[glad flower]

No

[meager sky]

Can we buff the amx ac 48 frontale armor

[meager sky]

HOW ITS ONE OF THE BEST VII IT EVEN HAVE A BETTER GUN THAN A SHERIDAN THAT IS A X

[indigo tide]

Clearly not better than sheridan
But still better than caliban and kv jr

[meager sky]

2200 dpm smasher 2300 sheridan its almost the same and smasher have armor

[indigo tide]

Sheri has gun dep, way more accuracy and way more pen

[meager sky]

not the caliban it have crazy he so you moslty hit 900 all 23sec that op

[glad flower]

Caliban is OP????

[glad flower]

Incorrect numbers too

[thorny timber]

Caliban and hit don't really belong in the same sentence

[meager sky]

its on wotb you count boost i dont

[glad flower]

It may be just a bad ragebait

[thorny timber]

Prolly

[meager sky]

you hit high damage but its hard to hit just aim dont be dumb

[glad flower]

I am quite convinced by now

[vague fiber]

tghats a hori

[stark wind]

Ur comparing a tier 9's armor with a tier 10 with the best penetration and it's 2nd ammo which has more penetration. Do you think it's fair?

[marble willow]

In order to use the caliban hesh you have to be up close the velocity is so horrid. The reload is a genuine pain too and its slow+ bad armor

[meager sky]

bad armor!

[marble willow]

And that gigantic raised engine deck

[meager sky]

Can we talk abt the survivability of the rhm B?

Dont complain abt the caliban when the RHM B IS JUST HZ BOX WITH NO SURVIVABILITY (1he at the back 100% fire)

[marble willow]

True but the caliban is a heavy and the rhm is a td with much better camo value. All you have to do in the rhm is camp and dont get me started when it had the 640 alpha gun

[vague fiber]

0/10 ragebait

[vague fiber]

no.

[vague fiber]

On what planet is the caliban OP

[meager sky]

its like a fv 183 bruh

[meager sky]

but its easy to pen

[terse beacon]

Fv 183 is the weakest t10 in the game, caliban is also one of the worst t8 heavies

[marble willow]

Alr whoever said fv4005 is op in mad games is correct. Sabtoteur on an fv makes it a menace

[meager sky]

it One shot me

[vague fiber]

Yeah, 2k dmg clip is wild, can 1 clip any tier 10 tank apart from heavies

[meager sky]

Can we please buff TVP VTU

[timber flume]

Get out

[timber flume]

Crazy thing I like high damage slow tanks but the Caliban I sold it after my third match in it

[marble willow]

Yeah the only thing the gun has going for it is the hesh pen and the damage. Every other aspect of it makes it unusable. If they increase the shell velocity id give it another try

[timber flume]

I'd sell my t22 to get it back if they buff it

[marble willow]

For the caliban? I would not