tank-balance-discussion

[main horizon]

ofc no. It's only 3% buff on 30mm side

[craggy grove]

Type 71s prammo.

[main horizon]

I dont think you show hull in hulldown position and you overangle and bait with tracks.

I bounce people when I force them to shoot on my side and I angle on last second to get bounce

[craggy grove]

Here is no enhanced armor vs enhanced armor against IS-7s gold. Again, virtually no difference.

[nimble zodiac]

IS-7s gold is a terrible standard

[craggy grove]

It does not improve it against Types gold nor IS-7s gold, so why use it really?

[nimble zodiac]

Because you're accounting for two tanks, one of them having abysmal penetration

[craggy grove]

I did not speak of it previously during the discussion, but yeah, Type 71 is quite well armored. At least I was able to survive quite a while when wiggling and using gun depression.

[robust crane]

hacked

[sage notch]

hi

[balmy thicket]

make Churchill 7 faster

[terse cairn]

I literally blocked 7,5k dmg in it in a regular battle

[craggy grove]

Blocked like 3k with my entire team dying in like a minute.

[meager sky]

need to buff caernarvon,all in this tank need a buff,all on this tank is bad,his gun,his armor,his mobility

[terse beacon]

Uhh Caern is one of the strongest t8 heavies haha....

[meager sky]

tell me how.

how its weak cannon armor and mobility can be great

[terse beacon]

? 10 degrees gun dep? Decent mobility? Higher dpm than every medium and light at the tier? And heavy for that matter

[meager sky]

DECENT MOBILITY? HELL NAH ITS SLOW,AND THE DPM CAN BE 2600MAX AND LITERALLY NO ARMOUR

[prisma jetty]

caern can get up to 2960 dpm, has a decently troll mantlet, and has decent p/w for the tier but is lacking in top speed

[terse beacon]

Yes the mobility is decent especially since it has a speed boost, the turret bounces relatively often and no t goes up to 3k dpm

[meager sky]

oh yeah speed boost that cost more than 4game,plus the turret is lid

[terse beacon]

The only thing I'm kind of hearing right now is "skill issue" haha ... 😅😅

[meager sky]

they should modify it because IM not spending 50k xp thzt is the cost of 2 vi for a cannon

[prisma jetty]

Oh so you want it buffed because you refuse to play it in the top configuration? That's a you problem then, not a tank problem

[meager sky]

and im not spending 90k xp for all the engine and tracks things

grinding it fully is like grinding a X its literally too longs i cant grind it for 4month

[prisma jetty]

It genuinely doesn't take long to grind, especially with xp multipliers and boosters

[unique night]

9

[meager sky]

yeah and if you dont have any

[prisma jetty]

They're given out like candy lol

[meager sky]

and when the hull is a conqueror hull i except better

[prisma jetty]

You know the conq hull isn't great, right?

[wicked quest]

I’m so glad I don’t suck with credits

[meager sky]

well,irl its more armored

[uneven turtle]

Complaining about a non maxed tank haissss

[meager sky]

its a pain to max it like literally weeks

[uneven turtle]

Suck it up I guess

You’re going through what every player went through went they first started out

It’s even easier in this era of wotb

[prisma jetty]

In some places it is, in some places it isn’t

[fringe egret]

Dude wants to buff a tank because the stock grind isn't very good? Are we really doing this?

[muted rampart]

No, it's not. 50k exp is 5 games with x3 multipliers in any fun mode. Stop whinning

Also, you will literally have to research the exact same gun later on on the Conqueror. You can't avoid, you will have to get it anyway

[jaunty ridge]

What's the better light for solo pubs rn, t100 or rhm?

[terse beacon]

Pzw 😄 it kind of clears every light atm tbh

[jaunty ridge]

What two special consumables would you run with an rhm then?

[terse beacon]

Tbh the best option atleast imo is the very standard tungsten + adrenaline combo you can't really go wrong with it. You can use reticle cali if you feel like the gun is trolling you. Speed boost is idk sort of whatever on a light for randoms and no point using reactive since you're so easy to HE

[jaunty ridge]

With reticle cali, would you drop tungsten or adrenaline?

[terse beacon]

Idk tbh probably adrenaline, just experiment around w it and see what you prefer

[jaunty ridge]

Noted. Do you run extra duration for adrenaline tungsten to get 2 additional shots off? Or is 3 tungsten shots within the standard window sufficient for the most part

[terse beacon]

Yes longer duration. usually play with cooldown boosters as well to make up for the one repair and slower cooldown

[jaunty ridge]

you do run personally run cali on the rhm right... I would be mighty impressed if you're somehow making it work with rammer.

[terse beacon]

I used rammer

[jaunty ridge]

...

[terse beacon]

😃 👍

[jaunty ridge]

maybe I should run rammer on the hwk 12 then, cause clearly rammer is better right 😮‍💨

[terse beacon]

I mean aren't you a cali crutch player? Idk how that would work out

Tbh tho hwk is so garbo you might as well just take the funny reload time instead cus what else are you even gna do with it

[jaunty ridge]

I mean... we're talking about 0.2 seconds here 💀

[hollow wind]

I mean the choice is 154 dpm or decent standard/gold pen

[hollow wind]

"cali crutch player" me when HESH 🤤

Also just noticed the Hwk gets 8 degrees not 10 like the ru and rhm

[terse beacon]

Very important

[terse beacon]

It's the choice between being a pro or being a noob

[hollow wind]

How so? Having more pen helps offset rng and opens up options for what you can do. In this case the extra pen won't make much difference imo, but in other tanks I would certainly prefer it.

[terse beacon]

Because hwk is op with rammer

[surreal violet]

give 113 8 degrees gd on the side

[bitter ravine]

do you guys think sterope's autoloader will be worth using after the buff

[obsidian socket]

Why can't I enrich collector tanks? do they have a different coefficient than normal already?

[hushed token]

Collector tanks also have higher coefficiency than Tech Tree tanks . They are just premium tanks but blue ( Some of them were premium tanks before )

[obsidian socket]

I didn't know thanks for the answer

is there a way to know the coefficient for each tank? So I can decide which tank is best in performance-creditgains

[obsidian socket]

that information is not public no

[muted rampart]

It's not

[south helm]

why was the T27 moved to t9?

feels like t8 vehicle

[obtuse rover]

In my opinion if there’s a tank that could use uptier I feel it should be the kunze panzer, move up in tier and give it 105mm and maybe combat stabilization.
Smasher and anni should also be uptier, they are too good to be against tier 6 tanks.

Defender mk1 should be tier 9 gng

[wicked quest]

It used to be, but credit coefficient was changed to be more performance influenced, a master ace with a premium and premium time can get you 300k credits

[fluid burrow]

give hwk 30 tungsten spall lining adaptive concealment tracer shells

[south helm]

Enemy team in t10 had 5 auto loaders - gg

[minor mirage]

SU-101 is the worst Tier 8 TD in the game.

[sweet python]

is tomorrow the day t2020 and tornvagn are becoming a tier 9 ?

[minor mirage]

Did SU-101 have any advanatage despite its penetration?

[placid kestrel]

Probably not.
This week probably tho.

[pseudo thicket]

Hello, im new to discord and i am still trying to figure out of things work so apologies in advance if i do something wrong.

I have a sweet spot for this game as ive been playing blits for over 4 years and began playing in like 2013 on pc. I want this game to succeed and more players to get into the game or for old players to come back and get back into it. The issue i see however is that their are serious problems with balancing in many aspects of the game. Some so frustrating that its no surprise new players dont stick with it. I know a lot of it is dedication and learning how to work with or around certain things. However, some of these issues are so awful that even seasoned/experienced players get upset and discouraged with the game.

[pseudo thicket]

1
i cant count how many times ive been the only 50%+ win rate player on my team, getting 3k or more damage and still losing because no one on my team did more than 800 damage. It happens all the time. And to add insult to injury, the enemy team has 3 or more players on their team with 50%+ win rate. I dont understand how to match maker deems that balanced or fair. Maybe that falls more along the lines of "skill based mm" but you'd think this type of thing wouldnt be an issue as long as blitz has been around now.

2
Their is a lot of toxicity towards new players. This is very discouraging to people just starting out. The less people that stick with the game the less playable the game becomes. Over time the player base will become nonexistent at some point if this keeps up. Instead of trying to give points to or help new players out, their met with hate and hostility.

3
Balance across the board. Yes wg has been trying harder lately to flush out a lot of issues but theres a long way to go before we get the refinement we need. I hope a lot of it is ironed out with the release of reforged instead of it adding more issues. Auto loaders, rng, ghost shells and pay to win tanks are at the top of the list. It seems like every time we get a major re balance in the game it nerfs the previously op tanks to either and unplayable or meh kinda state. While at the same time other under performing tanks become buffed to a god like state. Its seems as though its all or nothing. No in-between.

4
Game modes. Special game modes are meant to be fun yet a majority of the time they arent. Why? Because they host the most over powered and disgusting abilities. Uprising is unplayable as a tank destroyer or a slow moving heavy because dust devil just annilates you. Big boss is almost impossible to play sometimes because wg allows for more than 1 or 2 people on a team to have gravity trap. Ive had matches in big boss where I've almost just completely given up because their is nothing

Myself or my team can do when 5 players on enemy team have gravity trap at level 5. Just constantly spinning into oblivion. Game modes should be welcoming to new players. A place where they can get to know their tanks and figure out how the game works without fear of having a terrible win rate. The same goes for seasoned players, modes should be enjoyable not toxic. People play modes to learn, have fun and make credits. Unfortunately its usually only the ladder thats true for most.

5
Monetization. The loot boxes and encouraged gambling this game promotes is disgusting. Yes wg isnt forcing us to pay into the game, but some of us would like to buy the new tank withiut having to gamble 100's or even 1000's of dollars to get the vehicle.

[primal mango]

tbh defender doesn’t need to be moved up, other tier 8 meds just need to be buffed to a power level on par. I dont mind them moving up the tanks that they’re moving and making them good, cause theres too much bloat at tier 8 and too many copies, but the tanks left at tier 8 that just play like trash need some pretty big buffs, particularly meds and lights.

[signal dagger]

They are fine where they are

[primal mauve]

ngl Skoda T27 should have stayed in T8 it’s really enjoyable to play in T8

T27 being in T9 makes it feel struggled against T10

[south helm]

Yeah I don't even want to touch it like it is now

[wicked swan]

Аc atlas Disbclans

[lusty wolf]

How come Every single source has a different value for tank stats? For T23E3, I found 4 diferent reload stats for it with double cola and gun rammer: in game: 3.44s, blitzstars: 3.41s, Blitzkit: 3.49s, Blitzhangar: 3.37s. how can every source be different from each other???

[unique scaffold]

I agree to a 100% with u

[fluid burrow]

ok so the one tank which needs a mega buff is 112 glacial , it needs a pbr tungsten AP standard more top speed and mobility and gear oil along with vertical stabiliser (because the gun is very inaccurate)
give it a buff bruh it hasnt even been looked at for YEARS
make it similar to is5

[tropic panther]

Stop nerfing the Grille 15

[earnest kestrel]

Even with it's accuracy, it tends to miss shots for the giggles, heading straight for the 1pixel of ground or sky. Or will do the funny no damage "Track crit" not even disabling the tank it shot.
When it decides to work, the dmg capacity this tank has it's incredible, but there are still not too many upsides to offset the downsides.

[tropic panther]

Yea I’ll give you that I feel like there should at least be some armor that would make playing it easier for those who humanly cannot stay in a sniping position

[hollow wind]

The increased gun arc is very nice, imo the grille is better now.

[tropic panther]

Okay, I feel like I’m losing an argument so I’m gonna back off the topic, forgot that I’m basing this off of my play style so it might not be relevant to other players.

[hollow wind]

;-;

ah, I usually start off by sniping then move up once we have more information.

[tropic panther]

I rush usually hence why I usually use Heavy or Medium tanks

Isn’t that the T49? Your Avatar?

[hollow wind]

It is! used to be my favorite tank, still quite fun these days

[tropic panther]

Wait that image is before the graphic and texture update right?

I can tell because the tracks are the original blocky ones that most of the tanks had before the update

[hollow wind]

I don't keep up with those changes tbh, it was maybe 2021 when i took the screenshot i think

Sometime around there was when I had the frog added.

[tropic panther]

Okay, I recognize the track design because I had an account when the MS-1 was actually buyable in the premium shop and in 2017 to 2019

[fluid burrow]

make its top speed 45 and increase power to weight ratio aswell

[tropic panther]

Both those accounts are now lost in the abyss of passwords I have

[hollow wind]

Dude the glacial is probably my least favorite tank at tier 8. The ammo rack is so weak. And the side armour, meaning it's best to barely angle

Rip

[tropic panther]

Glacial? Hybrid nation tier 8? Yea the Ammo rack is quite vulnerable

[hollow wind]

112 Glacial, i think it's chinese? It's an old premium

[tropic panther]

You’re right it is China, it’s the Blue Dragon one right?

That sorta looks like an IS-3 off of wish without the slanted frontal armor

[fluid burrow]

ye it was never looked at after wg made money from its bundles

its an worse is6 in every way even in accuracy its worse

[naive hawk]

112 glacial use to be chinese 252 u, lol

[fluid burrow]

used to be but 252 has pike nose which 112 doesnt
once you load gold its armour will become 0

[naive hawk]

? 252 u have much bigger lowerplate.
112glacial have more that capable armor to deal with gold shell

[fluid burrow]

it does but pike nose makes 252u a better tank when it comes to angled bounces

[fluid burrow]

252u has mobility which 112 doesnt

112 doesnt need armour buff , it needs accuracy, speed and consumable buffs

[naive hawk]

But 252 u have much bigger lower plate. And it doesn't feel that much of different un mobility

The real 112 killer probably Is the is6, the armor is probably same-ish but Is-6is just faster and more accurate

[fluid burrow]

yes is6 is way better than 112

[fluid burrow]

triangle lower plate makes it difficult to hit when hull down

112 glacial needs mobility and consumable buff along with some design changes

[naive hawk]

Is-6 from the bad tank to one of the best, lol

I would like to prefer 112 glacial more of a "Chinese super-heavy", don't go with the mobility buff pls.

[fluid burrow]

true is6 was titled garbage but now everyone fears it

[fluid burrow]

nah its not even a superheavy weight category it literally just weighs 45 tons

[naive hawk]

Wz-112 is always be it less-armor but faster catagory.

And no, weight don't mean much in a fight, i talk about it armor are always kind of a super-heavy

[fluid burrow]

45 tons is nothing when compared to other tanks

[fluid burrow]

super heavies are heavy. while 112 isnt look at its horse power and power to weight its bad for something which is supposed to reach frontlines faster

[naive hawk]

No, we already have fast heavy, we don't need more redundancy.

I don't like another skoda T-56, thank.

[fluid burrow]

im sure wg will buff it no matter what
cuz i said so :))

[naive hawk]

Just more DPM would be fine. Like raw 2100

[fluid burrow]

orr we could make it into a triple shot auto loader👍 like is3 defender

[naive hawk]

That doesn't even resemble anything.

[fluid burrow]

i just want mobility increase for 112 glacial and maybe some accuracy buffs the rest are fine

[naive hawk]

Maybe skoda T56 was for you then?

[fluid burrow]

look skoda is more "common" 112 isnt

[naive hawk]

Yes? Then why we have another skoda T56, lol

[fluid burrow]

cuz why not also skoda has 450 alpha not 400

[naive hawk]

Nah, we already has tank that function as "super heavy" as rare as it is.

Yes, skoda has 450 alpha also a better turret, and a depression.

Why make it a worse skoda T56. Lol

[fluid burrow]

hmm so what if we change 112 glacial entirely making it similar to wz113 (tier x)
give it dpm mobility and place the turret on middle rather than front

[naive hawk]

I think give it more DPM and accuracy would be much simpler. Lol but ok.

Also does wz-112 powercrept? It use to be a really good tank

[fluid burrow]

i hope 112 gets noticed by the devs and hopefully they buff it because 112 is barely talked about

[fluid burrow]

used to be good when i remember playing it

[naive hawk]

Yeah, wz112 probably need some love too. But probably not that much

And WG, stop powercrept the tank so you don't need to buff everything all over again.

[fluid burrow]

what about t44 100 , it needs penetration buff but instead wg gave it every consumable to exist why not just make it similar to prowler smh

[naive hawk]

Because almost everytime tank are underpower when facing a powercrept, wg just made most easiest solution by giving it consumable so it stay competitive.
Eg

Wz-111
T-44-100
Panter 88
E5 line (old patch but they already remove bunch of it only the "sand bag were remain)
Fv215b
50b (old patch)

Which, could make the tank somewhat decent, but take it too far it became redundant

[naive hawk]

Well, yeah. Kinda? I think it need much more than penetration if you going to remove to consumable out. Idk man

[fluid burrow]

i was using t44 100 and the first battle i got big boss it was a fun experience

[uneven turtle]

215B was never powercrept, it still had arguably the best ht gun back then, even now you could play it without the sconsumables and it’d still be ridiculously good

Right now it’s one of if not, the best heavy in game due to what it combines, the best ht gun(dpm + high pen + high pen HE that doesn’t take up the prammo slot + highly accurate), mobility(even without ssb), armor, and hit points

[naive hawk]

I can remember the HP back then and the armor has been nerf, to the point it consider bad until given thw consumable

Good thing is DPM has never really been touch.

Before HT massive HP buffing, 215b was really op.

[uneven turtle]

You see the hp and armor nerfs didn’t actually make it a bad tank, since it was generally meant to be ‘nothing but a gun’

[wicked swan]

215b Normal balance , Ac acelote Unbalanced, better armor than Maus.

[naive hawk]

But you can't deny that it was the most underpowered 215 b version you can find, and it was consider underperform by most player in that day.

We talk about really old era @wicked swan

[wicked swan]

Sorry for the mistakes, I'm writing through a translator and translating.

[naive hawk]

Rn 215b is most likely fine. Yeah. But it super-boost was the remnant of WG trying to buff it. (It has the reactive armor and sandbag in That day which is just really OP)

[wicked swan]

Okay

[slender hull]

buff speed of super conqueror omg he doesn't need to be so slow

average speed of 33-34 would be nice

[terse beacon]

Ragebait goes hard

[slender hull]

bruh u kidding right

[naive hawk]

So S.con still good? I don't have it. And doesn't see it that much

[uneven turtle]

Emphasis on ‘most player’

It has always been one of the most skill based tank in the game, meaning the average player isnt going to be able to properly use it

It’s current state happens to be the strongest state it’s ever been since the ‘nothing but a gun’ look on it changed to ’a gun with everything’

[hushed token]

FV 215B is already good enough. It is just an extremely skill based tank . Another buff and it would be like a tiger with wings

[placid kestrel]

215B was always good because of DPM

Now it's one of the best tanks in the game. Completely op.

[naive hawk]

Yes? Literally it has no armor, and hulldown was not reliable because of tank ergonomic.

Even you are skilled, There was a better tank back there for farming damage. Is-4 and E5 was the king of that era, also there are 50b, who was still consider good.

215b have been nerf to like 2100 hp and 140 mm of hullarmor with 34 km/h of top speed for no reason.

You can probably play an easier tank and farm damage harder than 215b.

[naive hawk]

? I am refering to the long ago of wotb patch. So yes, 215b was great nowadays.

[fringe verge]

Nerf 183

[light otter]

gguys cansomeone answer me when we ill got next upd guys?

[fringe verge]

December

[naive hawk]

Even today 215b wasn't the best tank but.

There are much, much less HT in that day, 215b consider the 4th "best" heavy tank. Of course it will be bad relatively. (I cannot remember the exact number of tank)

[placid kestrel]

This week probably is next update

[hybrid fern]

it is 3.44s on wotinspector, same as in the game, btw blitzkit also display it as 3.44s if you put double cola

[random jolt]

Am I the only one who thinks that kpz 07p (e) needs to be a tier X?
Btw t55a can be a tier X because there are enough tanks like it at tier IX and it's a lil better than t54

[obtuse rover]

would be cool, how would it differ from 62a tho

[random jolt]

Idk but think about wz 121 and 121b

[nimble zodiac]

Think about T-55A and 121B. I’d argue those two are more similar than that duo

[random jolt]

Changes for T55A
Nation → Soviet or Polish
Turret armor front → 260 mm
Better front plate (upper plate)
2 guns to choose from
First regular gun
Second autoloader gun
Better speed forward 60 km/h
More dpm

[tiny quail]

Yo, I saw that, when you shoot out the LAST rocket out of your Sheridan (Missile), the guiding doesn't work and the round goes straight, switching to APCR. Maybe that should get patched?

[meager sky]

ok they need to Limit the healer in big boss

its literally impossible to kill the boss or even semoene because they will just heal bro thzt impossible,got 5healer in my game and wow impossible

[tiny quail]

First, you LITERALLY are meant to kill those first.
Also, second of all, it's a pure hell having so many of them.

[meager sky]

5of them at the same time is impossible

[remote oriole]

If massed and used in unison, all abilities are pure hell. Like five bombers will destruct any opposition they rush into

[meager sky]

Btw the pen of the t54 itwt is ridiculous

Just thr cannon is horrible*

[swift quarry]

since when is the canon horrible?

T54 performs aight if you compared it to other tanks like the M46 etc.

[random jolt]

True

[remote oriole]

He‘s talking about the T-54 lightweight (ltwt.)

[naive hawk]

Bomber are the counter to those healer

[meager sky]

With 5healer its impossible

[naive hawk]

It possible to overcome the healer with the burst of damage. 2 bombed will be enough.

Healer healing are not that instant, while bomber damage are.

And with 5 healer, there is no effective way to stop bonber rushing

[empty burrow]

Please Buff the accuracy of the AMX M4 54, or at least buff the damage so that it is worth taking shots as you miss half of them.

[naive hawk]

The concepts of "breaking point" are always present, and will be become obvious with the game that have healing ability.

Let say, most tank have 10hp

Your tank doing damage like 9 dmg every 2 sec

But rhey have healing that will heal everyone to full in like 1 sec.

They are immortal.

But if your damage has been increase to 10.

It mean you can now kill the according character.

Just 1 damage to hit the "breaking point" and the out come is vastly different.

That's bomber in BB, they have that burst damage to overcome the breaking point.

[fluid burrow]

lorraine 40t needs intra clip of 1 second instead of 2.5 and more armour(which it doesnt have)

[primal mauve]

2s intraclip like defender mk1 👅

[latent bone]

50b needs its reactive back

[glad flower]

The T55A is from eastern germany, I understand soviet but why would it be polish?😭

[remote pawn]

Wargaming classified it as such due to its widespread use and upgrades by various Warsaw Pact nations, especially East Germany (GDR), rather than solely as a Soviet vehicle, even though it's a Soviet design.

Originally Soviet, popularized by other nations
And also produced by other nations under soviet licensing, not just poland

[wicked quest]

Bro out here complaining of medics meanwhile 5-6 graviton is literally unplayable

[wicked quest]

Your literally a light what do you expect

[hushed token]

How about we give each nation its own variant of the T 54 . Like America has M4 Sherman , British has Firefly , France has super Sherman . Adding some variants of the same tank and watching them fighting each other sounds fun .

[wicked quest]

I forget this game is aimed at 12 year olds sometimes

[glad flower]

🥳

[hushed token]

🤫

[obtuse rover]

I miss how fun it was taking a reduced damage shot or 2 and dumping 4 shells but it was too strong ngl

[random jolt]

It's just an example

[latent bone]

But now it’s almost guaranteed that your going to get penned and take all the damage so I liked it

[naive hawk]

Ragebating?

If you saying it would need the hull armor back, I might understand.

But wanting the reactive armor back is too ridiculous ngl.

[latent bone]

More hull armor instead would be a ok trade

[naive hawk]

Yeah, maybe just revert it hull-armor back

[craggy grove]

How do you deal with multiple gravitons just spamming wormholes at the closest high point?

[craggy grove]

It is funny 50 100 and 50 120 still have it but not the 50 B.

[naive hawk]

Try to off angle so much and they use graviton on you (and don't affect you teammate), you break graviton chain and gave you teammate breathing room.

You much sacrifice

[barren goblet]

I have no idea what you just said

[hushed token]

I tunnel gravity users for the love of the game .

[craggy grove]

Or I could leech off teams heal and just get 30k damage as a boss without dying once.

[fluid burrow]

[craggy grove]

I think Lorraine deserves to get at least 1.5 because it does not get actually good armor lol.

[naive hawk]

Off-angle mean staying away from your main force and dealing dmg. Usually another angle.

[craggy grove]

So what you meant to say was, flanking.

[naive hawk]

Flanking is more 90° than from the enemy main task force, off angling could be as close as 30°, and you are around in the fronline.

[barren goblet]

He means to say to not stay in the group and far enough to not get cought in gravitron. But that doesnt say anything about situation where 2-3 tanks just chain gravitrons one after other where you cant move.

[naive hawk]

If they graviton just to stop me, I break the vicious cycle

[lilac crest]

Make ST-l gun same stats as IS-8 I mean 4.8 sec of Aim time for ST-l is too long

[hollow wind]

I have something to tell you...

[primal mauve]

I know the 122mm gun on t44 is likely to be buffed next update not sure

[primal mauve]

my bad dementia hit me

[hollow wind]

Happens, hope it leaves you

[primal mauve]

🙏

[fair schooner]

.

[obtuse rover]

Reactive is pretty dumb I think they should just bring back its old hull armor and maybe give it spall liner lol. 50 120 has better armor atp

[hollow wind]

with the old hull surely they change the gun to the old one too. At this point revert the whole 50b to the old one

[obtuse rover]

ye I enjoyed the old one, it could actually be used in corridor thru hull baiting

[stone root]

My friend Double clicked a Tank while joining platoon now he can’t join any platoon without crashing even after deinstallation does someone have fix for this?

[primal yacht]

✅ kuwanjide was banned.

[undone temple]

👋🏼 hi 🙂

[obsidian socket]

Hello community ! When will the Panther II buff along with the others tier8 get place?

I'm already anxious to enrich the Panther II :3

[hollow wind]

People speculate this time next week, maybe 1 day sooner

[undone temple]

Can the action x (tier8) gun be buffed?

[naive hawk]

Idk man, game has change. Revert everything back might make it weaker than current one.

Buff the hull armor and will be enough.

[obsidian socket]

Action X should have a better DPM is my opinion, for such a pea-shooter gun, that's what is supposed to do.
I could also use a buff on the A.P. AMX 30 I think is an excellent tank already but overshadowed by new tanks

[naive hawk]

Amx 30 is good wdym

It like a leopard 1 with 10 gub depress with actually decent turret armor.

And quite hard to HE

Idk, what is "overshadowed by new tank" even mean, I don't see any tank can do it role at all

[prisma jetty]

AP AMX 30 is the tier 8 AMX 30 prototype

[naive hawk]

I see ah

[obsidian socket]

So. I just enriched the Panther II, and am getting the feeling that the credit coefficient for line tanks is so abysmal, that enriching them(65% extra) makes little to no difference for farming credits.

Basically I was expecting an enriched tank to be comparable to premiums but it seems to not be the case.. confirm me on this if you have experience with it

I paid 12.600 gold on it, but if it has no use for farming credits efficiently then what's the point.

they said enriching will still be a thing on Reforged, so I will expect them to revisit this feature and its bonuses

[light meteor]

Idk how much credit coefficient changed after 8.5 ~2022 year.

Back than it prevented from getting negative credits per battle very well.

But still Panther had 87% credits coefficient.
-With +65% its still 13% worse than the worst premium credit grinders IS-3 Def / Is5 ~165%

[haughty bloom]

Hi I'm new

[light meteor]

Hello

[waxen geode]

Guys, CS 52 LIS worth 5K?

[ivory quiver]

imo not rly worth it

It’s a decent tank don’t get me wrong, but why purchase it when you can spend gold on higher tier tanks that you will end up playing more often as you become a better player

Plus remember that it’s been technically free on two separate occasions now, itself in an event long ago and then the chance for one in the most recent snow globe event in the t7 certificate

I don’t personally think it’s an exceptional, interesting, or rare enough tank to warrant spending 5k gold for

[balmy thicket]

fix my rng pls

[waxen geode]

Thank you so much! I won't waste the gold.

[dusk mountain]

If I could give you honest advice, only premium tanks I’d spend your gold on is either tier 8s, or tier 10s. Two most played tiers in the game.

[waxen geode]

Yup, that's what I want. Honesty. You are right about tier 8 and 10. Although I will buy the tier 9 Elrich or Erick tank. Forgot it's name.

[glad flower]

Erich Konzept 1

[dusk mountain]

Oh yes the Erich Konzept

[waxen geode]

Yup, that one. Ima get that one.

[dusk mountain]

Yes that tank is pretty good at the moment so thats a good idea.

[waxen geode]

Thanks my friend. Will do.

[loud knoll]

Can we please balance Tiger maus ram damage

[wispy mist]

Buff BZ-176

[craggy grove]

Just do not hug super heavies, it is not that hard.

[muted rampart]

Action X is a very good tank already, why would you want to buff it?

[scenic hazel]

bro lorraine 50t has worse accuracy than tiger maus

[craggy grove]

While it has worse stabilisation, it does have better base dispersion, mobility, turret armor and gun depression though.

[brisk cedar]

How ya doing this morning my balance experts? 🙂

[scenic hazel]

The gun handling should be better for 380 alpha tbh

[craggy grove]

Agreed.

[glad flower]

going pretty good, waiting for my delivery of 2.8kg gochujang :D

what about you?

[muted rampart]

Pretty good, how about you?

[brisk cedar]

2.8 is quite the amount, didn't know they had that big packages^^

[brisk cedar]

Same 🙂

[glad flower]

company called "Sempio" does, I'm using it so much when cooking ttoek that I resorted to buying big packages

[muted rampart]

Great to hear 🙂

[brisk cedar]

I'll stay with my 500g container xD

[glad flower]

if you can manage, I cba to buy a new container every week so I just get the big ones

[limber timber]

Should I buy the tornvagn back?

[brisk cedar]

Looks to be strong next update

[craggy grove]

Definitely do so before it becomes a tier IX, at the very least you can sell it back if you do not like it.

[scenic hazel]

In my opinion t26e4 super pershing should get super speedboost or mobility buff because this tank is unplayable rn. Horrendously slow and its armor profile isnt as good like it used to be

[craggy grove]

They could also make it have the 13cm /45 model 1935 with 560 alpha but that feels too close to BZ to be fair.

[craggy grove]

Also agreed, it seems desperately out of meta.

[unreal escarp]

the erich needs a speed buff, the current state is unfun when it's so slow for an MT and the armor isn't that good to justify the slow tank

[craggy grove]

You conviniently do not mention it can do 1000 damage in 5 seconds. Its armor and mobility are fine for that.

By the way, the UFP autobounces 310 AP and 345 APCR.

[unreal escarp]

do you have the tank? 💀 the autloader that does 1,000 dmg takes 20 seconds reload time. Anyway I've used it for 300+ battles to say the mobility is bad

[craggy grove]

This is the second time this month I have been told I cannot have an opinion on the tank because I do not have it, curious.

[hollow wind]

Interesting you say the mobility is bad? Before the buffs to it the mobility was this tanks best asset and even now it is solid enough for a medium.

[wispy mist]

Pls buff BZ-176 or even rework it

[vital topaz]

Yes xd

Nerf ac war gamin nerf ac
That thing has more armor than a mouse, no kidding.

[craggy grove]

Bad mobility when 20kmph reverse and 27 power to weight is wild to be honest.

[naive hawk]

Honestly, high alpha tank deserve more nerf but it is what it is.

[carmine path]

penguin!!!!!

[undone temple]

The action X needs a armor buff

[muted rampart]

It doesn't. It performs fairly well and is a very decent tank

[undone temple]

A heavy tank with this low armor isn’t good enough 😭

[undone temple]

First picture is penetrate by 225mm

[muted rampart]

It is, you just don't know how to use it well.

Not all tanks must be impenetrable.

[undone temple]

That is not what I mean, I mean the tank can be penetrated by all tier8 and 9 heavies easily. The average fount armor is 145mm thick and turret should be 200mm thick at the fount

[muted rampart]

It's statistically Top 20 T8 heavy tank performance wise which makes it well above average and has very solid stats.

It's just a good tank overall and doesn't need any buffs. The gun more than makes up for any other downsides it has

[undone temple]

I just want the turret get 10mm buff because the action is useless in city maps

[muted rampart]

It's not useless on any maps. You just need to adapt your playstyle and take into consideration that enemies can penetrate you.

Judging by how entire playerbase does really well in it, it's not the tank that is a problem here.

[craggy grove]

Consider running enhanced armor then.

[fringe verge]

U looking from above, you overmatch the turret

[craggy grove]

It also blocks the turret roof from being penned by anything short of ~268mm pen which is a rather higher bar for tier 7-8, like only Type 63 gets 260 AP and Tiger II has 285 APCR, everything else will struggle pretty much.

[craggy grove]

Yeah, AX is a pretty tall tank so the armor angles will work in your favour when playing it. It is kind of crazy we still do not have the Centurion Action X though.

[tranquil cloud]

Can we bring back the old gun sounds in blitz?

In reforged

[obtuse rover]

Would be cool if it was a toggleable setting to choose

[wicked swan]

Please Add some speed and damage to the tank fv217 badger

[naive hawk]

No? Why do you want it to be OP, i don't get it.

[lilac crest]

Just give him traverse speed that all

[lilac crest]

Dmn What is this kind of engine....44 ton...but slow as a sloth this guy was Lightweight than IS tier 7 but idk what do u guys think? He has almost thick armor but Lightweight and Mobility worse it's like Chinese Engineering was Put the Prototype of V-2-54 Engine in this tank buff His top speed up to 35 or 38 and increase Traverse speed to 33 deg would be good cuz this tank doesn't have anything better than ST-l instead of Dmg and HP that up to 2548

[quick bough]

Buff is-7 pen and add sandbag

[empty burrow]

Buff AMX M4 54 accuracy or damage

[obtuse rover]

Better terrain resistance should be good

[uneven turtle]

Nop

[twin egret]

iirc it's missing a plate of spaced armor between its actual front hull and the spaced armor that you see on top of the front hull

like it's even modeled in if you look closely in between

but the game doesn't count it as a separate plate unfortunately

[fluid burrow]

buff lorraine 40t frontal armour similar to somua
lorraine 40t is a big tank so it needs armour , give it somua SM levels of frontal armour

[terse cairn]

Give obj 260 a bit of more turret armor and heat pen

[muted rampart]

No. Just no.

[jagged rapids]

but it's medium

[fluid burrow]

medium with no armour and the size of a tiger

if armour isnt increased atleast decrease clip reload to 16 seconds and intraclip of 1.5

armour soo weak i get hit by HE by an su frontally for 900

54mm armour 🙏

[jagged rapids]

Kinda agree with intraclip, I myself didn't have problem playing lorr 40t just need to be careful with it's paper armor especially against TD

maybe it'll get adjusted just waiting for it's PBR and hope it's get adapted by current meta

[muted rampart]

Yeah no. You just don't know how to use the tank and ask for WG to overbuff it to hell.

We don't need a pre nerf TVP at T8, nor do we need a very fast medium to have heavy tank levels of armor.

Lorraine 40t is not great, but it's not a horrible tank, it doesn't need any drastic changes. A bit more HP and intraclip decreased to 2 seconds would be more than enough to make it a very solid t8 med

[dire adder]

Guys why can't I join wotb reforged

[hollow jolt]

Please give rocket boosters to BZ line

[dire adder]

It says Login is temporarily restricted

[fluid burrow]

ik it isnt horrible but when people load HE you loose way more hp
i do deal average damage of 2k every battle
but the clip reload is really bad like 20 seconds is insane
it should be 17 or 16 seconds instead

[naive hawk]

Is this real? I thiugh you were ragebaiting

[fluid burrow]

check it out yourself

this is what su 152 loading he looks like

[naive hawk]

I stop reading right after you said buff it to the level of samuo armor.

[fluid burrow]

somua is built different but has similar looks meanwhile lorraine is built like a paper

[naive hawk]

Buff the total armor around 80-90mm in front would be fine. As someone said.

[fluid burrow]

so that some troll bounces may happen yes i agree

but it does need a buff on its gun 2.5 seconds intraclip kinda sucks for a magazine realod of almost 20 seconds even more

[naive hawk]

I mean, Troll bounce shouldn't happen in Loraine, you just need HE immunity at frontal arc.

[fluid burrow]

true but when you do side scrape it does get some troll bounces like 1 in 100 shells

only with apcr users tho

[naive hawk]

But about intreclip, 2 sec might be a bit to much. Around 2.3 I guess.

[fluid burrow]

what about magazine reload

19 seconds is kinda mid it needs similar to defender mk 1 magazine reload

[cinder shard]

The test isn't open as of now.
We'll probably see the next one very soon though.

[naive hawk]

Eh. We don't need another too good tank.

Plus def mk1 has 190 alpha.

[fluid burrow]

doesnt feel like 190 tho deals over 200 most of the time

[naive hawk]

We don't account for Rng in balancing.

[fluid burrow]

tier 8 isnt balanced anyway what can addition of another defender mk1 without armour even make a difference

[naive hawk]

So you want to make it more than UNBALANCED? That's a bad argument for balancing tank

[fluid burrow]

its unbalanced anyway we need to make it broken like borrasque

[naive hawk]

I will take it as a ragebait

[fluid burrow]

agree or not most tanks are either too broken or real mid

[naive hawk]

Yes, nerf the broken tank so the mid tank will shine

[muted rampart]

And that's how it should be. It's a very fast medium tank with dangerous gun. It should get punished for playing wrong. Giving it heavy tank level of armor is just nuts.

Clip reload is long, but you can't just forget that you can delete 2/3 of any T8 med in 7 seconds.

Stop expecting autoloaders to have good DPM, that should never happen. You are suposed to get that burst in exchange for DPM, not on top of it

[craggy grove]

You say that when Defender Mk1 has that intraclip AND very good armor.

[naive hawk]

Does I said nerf the broken tank?

(Yes, I do)

[craggy grove]

I think that its (Lorraines) armor should not get buffed, rather it should be given a better guh to validate it having such poor armor for such a big tank. It would make for a more unique vehicle.

[craggy grove]

Well, that would not happen, so at least we could ask for outdated vehicles like T26E4 or Lorraine 40 t to be adjusted to the new standart.

[scenic hazel]

The issue is leopard just flat better cs 63 rn so i would suggest to remove adaptive from leopard so cs 63 can shine, then give adaptive to 140 because this tank is suitable for it

Or keep adaptive on leo and remove gear oils because idk why would it need gear oils to begin with

[placid kestrel]

I'm for removing adaptive concealment from all those tanks. It makes the mechanic less unique. And their lines don't have. So just remove it.

[craggy grove]

You get better gun depression, aimtime, and better turret armor in return for worse DPM, accuracy, mobility, and gun handling.

I would suggest buffing either gun depression or turret armor on CS-63 to be honest.

[craggy grove]

I think it works great for Leopard 1, given the playstyle it promotes.

[placid kestrel]

That's not the point

It just doesn't make sense in the line and a Leo 1 is already much stronger than the wz 132

[craggy grove]

Say that to WG removing reactive armor from 50 B but not 50 100 or 50 120; all of VK 72.01 line down to tier VII having sandbags and tungsten but only Pzw having improved speed boost among its line... inconsistency is the name of the game.

[placid kestrel]

Yes they need to fix that as well

[craggy grove]

I agree, they should give SP 1 C, Ru 251 and HWK 12 improved speed boost, reticle calibration, adaptive concealment and tracer shells.

Honestly, extending mechanics and consumables all the way down to tier 7 would be very funny and interesting in some cases.

[hushed token]

Give T29 and Black Prince their Super Speed Boost and Reactive armor back so they can bully the tier 7s more

[uneven turtle]

Give people a more wrinkled brain so we can have better takes and better players

[burnt venture]

Just remove super consumables and provisions and equipment

[remote oriole]

Make all camos purely cosmetic and all premium tanks reskins with freely obtainable tech tree equivalents with exactly the same stats?

Remove the p2w from Blitz at last?

[uneven turtle]

“P2w”

[remote oriole]

And here it comes…

„Blitz isn‘t p2w, it‘s pay to progress“
„There are strong tech tree tanks, too“
„Just watch ads if you want premium tanks as a f2player“
„The tank doesn‘t matter, it‘s just about your skill“
„You should see this other game“

[uneven turtle]

Cus it simply isn’t p2w

[remote oriole]

If if you buy things that impact in-game performance exclusively with money, then it is exceedingly unlikely that it is not p2w

Oh wait

[uneven turtle]

More like pay to lose haiyaaaaa

[remote oriole]

You can pay to lose in Blitz, but you can also pay to win. It mostly depends on the tank.

But what annoys me the most is that certain tank styles are locked behind paywalls, making them pay to play

[uneven turtle]

Tank camo(if that’s what you mean by styles) isn’t a game breaking performance enhancer

[remote oriole]

No, I mean playstyles, like large clip glass cannon (WT E100 and AMX 13 57)

Type 5 Heavy is also one of the worst offenders in that department. I suppose the closest tech tree tank is the E100?

[uneven turtle]

Free alternatives of large clip glass cannons:
Fv4005
amx 50b

All you have to do is have a little bit of common sense to see the free alternatives to collectors/premiums

[fringe verge]

What is this

[remote oriole]

Not even comparable

1710 clip potential vs 1300 and 1245

I would classify equating these tanks as wishful thinking rather than common sense

[ivory quiver]

It’s pretty similar in terms of playstyle you have a big autoloader clip on a large paper profile TD

[remote oriole]

I guess if you‘d play them the same; I wouldn‘t

[gentle shard]

Who's using the TL-7-120 here cos I need to ask that person about some questions about that tank!

[craggy grove]

And the grass is blue, and the sky is green...

[craggy grove]

They do not have the ability to one clip tier 10 lights and tier 9 meds though?

[craggy grove]

All camos are already cosmetic though?

[obtuse rover]

If wg still plans to uptier I suggest the wz 122tm and the type 57, they honestly just seem like tier 9 tanks

[craggy grove]

122TM and not Chimera? Right, okay.

[meager sky]

the vk 90 01 (p) is the biggest p#w tank in the game

[placid kestrel]

What?

[meager sky]

its the best tank in the game by far it need a nerf

[placid kestrel]

It's a mid tank at best.

[meager sky]

oh yeah

That why a light stand no chance against it because he have crazy armor

Only weak spot btw

[obtuse rover]

oh I’m talking about looks. Chimera jus looks less modern ig compared to the 122tm

[craggy grove]

Have you considered not facehugging a sulerheavy in a medium? Also just load gold.

[wicked quest]

Because lights have terrible pen in general
And that’s the E50 which has lower pen on medium

[craggy grove]

You should not balance tanks based on looks to be honest.

[placid kestrel]

You are going crazy thinking lights and meds should even be able to pen superheavies frontally

The calibrated buffs were complete cancer....

[meager sky]

E50m is avg pen for light

[wicked quest]

Stop comparing it to them it’s a medium

[meager sky]

btw the M-VII-Yoh need a buff his load is 11sec for 310 that just bad even if he have good armor

[meager sky]

AND MURAT NEED A BUFF TOO

its literally a e50m but weaker armor and weaker gun and more slow.. need a buff now .

[nimble zodiac]

This person's ability to compare specific tanks is outside my comprehension

[scenic hazel]

Average rammer user

[naive hawk]

Ragebaiting?

[obtuse rover]

mb bro

[burnt venture]

The Dunning Kruger channel

[tranquil cloud]

I want ultra test 4

[remote pawn]

Then load Gold/Premium ammo?? Maybe run Calibrated shells too???

If you still cant do anything then just learn to find its weakspots and exploit them as you can

[placid kestrel]

That is not the Dunning-Krueger btw

[empty burrow]

Why should the AMX M4 54 not receive an accuracy buff? Its damage isn’t particularly the best and regularly rolls below 400. The damage is not enough to compensate for the terrible accuracy.

[obtuse rover]

Prolly cuz it has good frontal armor and mobility but the gun rlly is painful

[twin egret]

needs premium AP back

[brittle spindle]

Hey folks, the progression curve of the hybrid nation feels broken — please fix this. The AC Rebelde is far inferior to the AC Ocelote. I haven’t tried the AC Taygete yet, but from what I’ve seen it seems to follow the same trend of being worse.

What’s the point of that? The AC Rebelde loses in almost every aspect to the AC Ocelote, when it should have more armor, more dpm, more mobility, and so on.

[empty burrow]

Plenty of other tanks have good mobility and frontal armor. Such as the Vz.55 has good dpm, better accuracy,alpha, mobility is great. It may not have the frontal armor but makes up in side armor and is not as ginormous as the AMX.

[hushed token]

VZ 55 infact , has very strong frontal armor

[empty burrow]

Sorry I meant not as strong

[obtuse rover]

yup, if it has this bad accuracy it could have better alpha like before. Iirc it had 480 and tungsten before lol

[terse cairn]

Yea atleast give back the tungsten or give it 480 alpha

[uneven turtle]

Tbf a mobile tank with super heavy levels of hp is pretty menacing already

[terse cairn]

Yea but the accuracy is imo way too bad for such alpha

[uneven turtle]

But it also has above average dpm (for non heavium tanks), sitting around 2.7k with calibrated

[terse beacon]

With how far forward this tank plays it doesn't really matter that much tbh, moreso an annoyance than anything else

[terse cairn]

Iirc it used to have worse dpm when it had 480 alpha. They buffed its dpm and nerfed the alpha

[uneven turtle]

Personally when I was using the mle 54, the accuracy wasn’t a problem even at mid range combat(<200m)

Because at that range your weakspots are much smaller(obviously) and lets you sit still to aim

[remote oriole]

Honestly in terms of what tier a tank is placed in you should consider looks. In the end, the game needs to both be balanced on a technical level and feel ‚right‘, that is the tanks should feel sensible in their battle environment (and their national environment)

[fluid burrow]

charlemagne needs mobility buff if it doesnt have armour atleast give it some mobility to reach sniping points faster like 35 forward and 13 reverse is just sad , it shouldve been 40 forward and 16 reverse

[cinder shard]

Why would it need to snipe 0_o
It's a heavy tank with decent turret armor and great Hesh. The only things that are lacking are hull armor and missing high pen prammo.
I get the mobility buff, but the tank shouldn't be used for sniping. With a bit more mobility, it could be played more like a heavyum.

[naive hawk]

Ragebaiting channel

[craggy grove]

So.. tanks 38 centuries in the future are tier 7, and tanks 5 million years into the future are tier 8.

Yeah that makes sense.

[obtuse rover]

ragebait

[fluid burrow]

😛nope i got hit by HE in the sides and tank doesnt traverse that fast

[obtuse rover]

ok it’s kinda slow but it has low profile and good turret which makes up for it imo

[craggy grove]

What is the point of that new Obj. Kust when WZ-120-1G FT exists?

Especially with that ugly turret on top.

[lilac crest]

Damn Tiger maus is worse than Mäuschën....
Only thing that Tiger maus was superior is Premium penetration

[hollow wind]

Since when was this a hitbox? I got penned there frontally by a Rino firing HEAT.

On blitzkit it doesn't appear as a hitbox either so I assumed it hit my hatch behind but there is no shell marker

Slight bit before this if anyone is curious

[craggy grove]

It also has 600 more DPM, better on-move stabilisation, combat stabilisation mechanic, it is heavier and faster, and has access to sandbags.

[knotty cedar]

Hey can you nerf Carro?

[meager bison]

no

[uneven turtle]

Kinda needs nerfing tho

[naive hawk]

Well, why? I know it is a really good tank but there is something i definitely don't know

[uneven turtle]

Can’t pen when hulldown, has really good dpm now on its first shell, mobility can’t be called bad due to gear oil letting it achieve 56kmph top speed, and its gun is accurate

All while having a 4 shell autoreloader that can bail you out of a 1v1

It’s a better lion in every way, same case with progetto

[uneven turtle]

Carro is arguably the best medium as of right now

I say arguably because different mediums have different playstyles

[craggy grove]

Honestly the autoreloading seems more of a detrament to it than an advantage.

You already have 8s reload which is great, but then you have to wait 3s intraclip and your other shell reloads twice as long as the first.

[uneven turtle]

11 seconds for 440 alpha seems more than fair at t8

We have bisonte doing 310 in ~6 seconds

[naive hawk]

Oh of course it has gear oil now, and it DPM has been buff from sometime. Yeah I get it.

(Idk about those buff.)

[uneven turtle]

There are 3 Italian T10 mediums
Lion was supposed to be the damage farmer
Progetto was supposed to be the fast one
Carro was supposed to be the slowest and heaviest bursting one

But carro with its current dpm can out farm the lion, without the need for tungsten, while also moving as fast as the progetto. Carro just makes its sister tanks obsolete

[naive hawk]

Sound like I should get Carro back.

[uneven turtle]

[craggy grove]

You can have a 460 alpha and 10s reload with Su-130PM and Skorpion though.

Su-130PM has WAY better horizontal traverse, better gun depression, and probably more troll armor as well as better mobility.

That UFP should NOT bounce as much as it does, but at least it only has 30 shells and bad stabilisation.

[uneven turtle]

Both of which are highly susceptible to HE

And 130pm has 11 seconds with calibrated

Skorp 10 with calibrated

But id still pick 130pm for the turret

While having a smaller silhouette than the skorpion

[craggy grove]

Ehhh Skorpion maybe, with Su-130PM you can only really reliably HE sides and turret, which is really small so you have a good chance to hit the gun or the UFP.

Running calibrated on a TD is kind of stupid.

I do not have Skorpion but Su-130PM is an amazing tank destroyer to be honest, but still balanced.

[craggy grove]

Yeah not only do you have a reserve shell you reload faster than most other 310 damage heavies, yeah that makes sense.

My biggest concern with the Kust is not the autoreloader though, it is the god darn bulbosaur on the top, like what the hell? It literally has the same armor profile as WZ-120 but is way slower and has a huge cupola???

Cannot even tank heat that well, and yes, AP can just go through gun.

[latent copper]

spoon better to eat soup with than fork

[craggy grove]

?? Also how do you suggest buffing T49?

[latent copper]

by giving the fearless version a lower fire probability obviously

[craggy grove]

Should I run cali or rammer on T49 actually...

[latent copper]

if u run rammer a bulldog has more pen than you

[meager sky]

no pen mid gun mid mobility no armor

[craggy grove]

245 on standard is pretty good, the UFP is 236mm when hull down, turret you can only pen small 240ish zones.

[craggy grove]

Having 12mm more pen than bulldog is not great either.

Why does the T49s 90mm have such a terrible pen and DPM though? Especially since it is all round worse than Ru251.

[naive hawk]

Calibrated

[hollow wind]

No clue, but the T49 is supposed to be played with the derp gun. Maybe the 90mm will get a buff in future, but I doubt it. Would rather see them give the HE a bit more pen since the calibrated nerf to HE. Doesn't matter much but still would be nice.

[craggy grove]

I think this two buffs are not mutually exclusive.

[meager sky]

Showing the armor of a viii

[craggy grove]

My bad I thought we were on about Charlemange being bad.

[meager sky]

we're on the murat

[craggy grove]

It does have more penetration, more damagae per shot, better stabilization and better gun depression.

Having worse armor is a payoff for a burst damage of a superheavy derp. It also has reserve track.

[meager sky]

Less dpm bruh

[meager sky]

reverse tracks is mid too

[craggy grove]

Yeah, that is how damage works... if you deal more at once, you deal less the longer the fight goes on.

[hollow wind]

It has a clip though, it should not have more dpm than single shot mediums with the alpha damage it has.

[craggy grove]

I agree, wish it would work more like on PC. But it is still an advantage.

[meager sky]

you cant say its good,like mid armor its just a big hitbox

[craggy grove]

Like, Sheridan only has ~2600 DPM but no one is in denial that it is toxic as hell.

[hollow wind]

The Murat? It is quite good this update. 2s intraclip is a huge buff to its damage output. Almost toxic sometimes

[craggy grove]

I really like how it looks but I do not really like the line, especially louis, it looks kind of ugly with such a small turret.

[meager sky]

Sheridan is small and fast

[hollow wind]

The guns are all quite good (from the tier 8+), higher alpha with decent intraclip. Though they are fairly ugly haha.

[meager sky]

because it bothers me that the viii of the murat line is so good but not the X.

[craggy grove]

Sheridan is almost the same size as Murat though??

There is no way this is correct lol.

[meager sky]

yeah but faster

and its hard to he the sheridan

[hollow wind]

I would go so far as to say the tier 8 is more powerful than it needs to be. It may be worse than the bourrasque but that one is one of the best tier 8's. The tier 10 is more than playable.

It has good turret armour, and is slower as a medium with armour should be.

If it has only HE proof armour then I could agree it should maybe go faster but it isn't

[meager sky]

Not even go faster but turn better

[craggy grove]

I mean you can just take a potshot with AP at its centermass, that just won't work with Murat because you do need to not hit the manlet or UFP that are near its center mass profile.

[placid kestrel]

Size of Sheridan accounts for a lot os spaced armor

The hull itself is quite a bit smaller

[obtuse rover]

y’all think t49 would be op if it had the same ammo layout as the vindicator

[meager sky]

Guys the rhm B is worse than the emil bruh😭

[obtuse rover]

Yes borsig need a buff

[latent copper]

Wait till you realize heat shells don’t get normalization so the pen is actually even worse comparatively

[craggy grove]

I already knew that.

[arctic python]

it's fine

it's like if the mino and the rhino had a child

[bronze roost]

there are no better tanks

[snow notch]

😂

[signal dagger]

Calm down

[placid kestrel]

Bro people in this chat are crazy

If the game was balanced how they wanted the game would die immediately

[meager sky]

The M-III-YOH canon of beginnings need a buff please

[remote oriole]

„Listen to the players“, they said
„The players know what‘s best for the game“, they said

PR is not about listening to what people say, but understanding what people mean. Hence why I am not entirely happy with how WG just plays along with the overwhelmingly stagnant opinions regarding Reforged. In the end we will get exactly the same game as before, with zero quality of life improvements, because a lot of people thought that no change is better than change for the better

[vague fiber]

STOP SMOKING!

[placid kestrel]

No joke tho they need to change Scepter

It's literally just a copy from the tech tree, make it different like more armor but less dpm.

[arctic python]

it should be worse than the tech tree tank

[meager sky]

nah just its version without autoloader is horrible

[tender lagoon]

Still no buffs on the older defenders. Shame

[scenic hazel]

Same case for is 6 fearless

[primal mauve]

IS-3 Defender defo needs a buff

[wispy berry]

I'm an ISU 152 player, and I'd like to ask if ISU needs a buff right now. I feel like I need a mobility boost

[remote pawn]

Just get the obj 704

[muted rampart]

ISU is good enough

[placid kestrel]

That's a ranked reward vehicle tho

[scenic hazel]

Other fearless are quite different from original variants, is 6 is literally the same

[muted rampart]

It's not, it's actually worse. The first gun (the one you should use) has less DPM for whatever reason

[scenic hazel]

Brother that gun is horrible, second gun has so much better penetration

If a tiger facehug you, you are just cooked

[terse beacon]

No it's great! 👍

[muted rampart]

No, it's amazing, you just actually need skill to use it.

Not facehugging Tiger 2s would be a good point to start with.

It makes IS-6 actually stand out among other T8 400 alpha heavies with it's outstanding DPM.

People greatly underestimate how many tanks you can easily pen with 175 pen if you know how to aim.

[scenic hazel]

No thanks i can average almost 3k with second gun, rather hit my shots reliably than sit and aim for 6 seconds

[terse cairn]

What will you do if you are matched against tier 9s and heavily armored tanks. Don't tell me to go for mediums

[muted rampart]

You just do the same you would do normally.

Like sure if an E75 gets fixated on you and rushes, you will just die, but the same would happen to any other T8.

You just play agressively to get easier shots on enemy weakspots and use the amazing DPM. If you meet T9s, you should try to get as many side shots as possible, if you meet T7s you can just massacre them all. That's how it works.

[terse cairn]

Well I still think this gun is only good against tier 7s and lighly armored tier 8s or mediums.

[muted rampart]

It's not. It's good against anything it can penetrate and that's pretty much everything it can face aside a few strongest T9s

[thorny timber]

Weird take but I think these tier jumps, specifically from t8 to t9 is really flawed, t9s were always in an awkward position but these new additions make it even weirder to find a safe ground

If the tank is too good, it's basically a t10 with t9 hp pool

And if its bad? It's a t8 with t9 hp pool, there's rarely any tanks that feel like they really belong in the said tier

[solar quail]

guys need help , how can i download client to play new update?

[prisma crow]

Very balanced game:

[terse beacon]

Why not? The gun allows you to steamroll medside

[vague fiber]

First gun is better, but only for skilled lpayers

[scenic hazel]

Yea bro very good dpm, make sure to use with gun rammer and average 4k

[terse beacon]

Me when I cope 😢

[scenic hazel]

if you have better career stats than me you can change me mindset

[remote oriole]

Me watching this remembering when the IS-6 was considered the best medium at tier 8

[terse beacon]

Don't think your career stats have anything to do with is6 bud 😭

[scenic hazel]

Obviously show how much im experienced at the game ?

[glad flower]

Now do it on eu

[remote oriole]

Meh, at best it shows your point of view on a tank, i.e. in this case a highly performance oriented and competitive view. From statistical analysis we already know that tanks competitive players struggle with (relative to their skill level) can be quite successful designs for the broad masses

[terse beacon]

Not experienced enough to know the true gigachad sigma loadout is is6 with dpm gun

[arctic elbow]

so lets buff the vk72 hp and wz 113 and fv4202 kmh to 66

[scenic hazel]

My bad bro i have to deal with yolo bisonte and tiger most of the time in apac

[terse beacon]

lol

[vague fiber]

We all have to. Sad when 3 clippers yolo u and ur teammates suddenly go AFK

[craggy grove]

It is a wrong channel to ask that, but it should be accounted automatically given you participated in the tech test.

[onyx falcon]

ye i don't see the channel for testers

[craggy grove]

#reforged-update-discussion

[onyx falcon]

thanks man now i see when you ping it for me

[obtuse rover]

Hi what’s your guys opinion on the current Murat

[vague fiber]

OP asl. My first 60% tier 10

[craggy grove]

What can you say about 268/4 if you have it?

[vague fiber]

Don't have it sorry. I am 3k battle F2P, I have Concept 1b, FV 4005, Kranvagn, Foch 155, T110E4, Maus, VK 72.01 K, Object 907, FV215b (183), and Projet Murat

[craggy grove]

Wow, I am 18k battles with about the same amount of tier Xs I think, err, T57, Sheridan, IS-7, E 100, Leopard 1, AMX 50 B, B-C 25 t, Kranvagn, and 60TP. Only 2 more TTs complete.

I should really up my game. Pretty close to getting T110E5, Object 140, T-62A, T-100 LT, FV4202, Minotauro and Rinoceronto.

[vague fiber]

So you grind half-lines? I'm different. I just kill myself for 1 tier 10 line and then move to the next. The only exception was the is4, which i gave up after kv-4. I have respect for you that you don't rush to tier 10

[obtuse rover]

yup love it too

[fluid burrow]

what if they made ap amx 30 into an auto reloader

[obtuse rover]

no need

Oh I thought amx 30 b nvm idk

I do believe d char futur could use an autoloader

[fluid burrow]

ap amx 30 is basically another french med but 8.1 seconds for a 280 shell feels mid ngl and 1350 hp... its really low it shouldve been 1450

it shouldve been an autoloader or an autoreloader with 5 seconds similar to bisonte

[craggy grove]

Yeah, I kind of just play what I feel like playing, only lines I grinded without grinding other lines was T57 and Kran.

[craggy grove]

Why would it be? No AMX30 have autoreloader or an autloader. Only 280 reload on a tier 8 shorter than 8s is on T-44 but that has nor the UFP armor nor the gun depression nor the mobility of A.P. 30.

[fluid burrow]

make annihilators ammorack really weak when it turns to its side make it 30% chance to get ammoracked with any caliber above 120mm

[craggy grove]

Wait what why is the mantlet so weak lol.

[fluid burrow]

the damage output doesnt feel strong tho also who cares about the armour people will pen it no matter what angle im looking at only troll bounces exist mobility yes it is better

[fluid burrow]

gun itself is a weak spot so just a peek take a shot and reverse thats the best gameplay

but when i get yoloed by borrasque users (literally one of the broken tier 8) it feels really annoying to loose half of my hp in an instant

[craggy grove]

I mean yeah just staying in enemys line of sight is stupid, it is just weird how the entire manlet is gray but you can only pen the gun.

[fluid burrow]

people snap shot like crazy these days too
like once an isu snap shot me from 300 maters away

[craggy grove]

It is also weird how Kust and A.P. can be penetrated through gun but not WZ-120-1G FT or Grom have solid armor behind it.

[fluid burrow]

ikr
wz1201gft has goofy armour

[craggy grove]

What do you have to say about 268/4?

[fluid burrow]

i havent gotten it yet but when i faced it its annoying as hell to fight 268/4 on a medium distance

[glad flower]

😭

Thats proof, WG should nerf 268/4

[fluid burrow]

but yeah 268/4 is kinda alright because people may look at it as an over powered tank its not as over powered as a concept 1b or a 4005 or 183

it may have troll armour but ammorack is really weak , once it turns around boom ammorack exploded

[glad flower]

Straight up wrong, its probably in the top5 worst t10

[fluid burrow]

the gun itself is your biggest enemy 😭
tho not as worse as a 114sp2

[craggy grove]

I mean if it turns even so slightly the cheek becomes grey immediately so it really struggles outside 1v1 facehugging kinda

[glad flower]

268/4 only works against the worst of the worst players, otherwise its free damage

[fluid burrow]

once you find a skilled 268/4 player you are doomed

[craggy grove]

Something tells me it has more to do with the player than the 268/4

[fluid burrow]

even tho its a soviet tank (bad gun dep) its still kinda fun tank from what ive seen but who am i too say my luck is soo bad i couldnt get a 268/4 even in 7 years or playtime 😂

[fluid burrow]

ye cuz ive seen aboslute garbage 268/4 players who couldnt even deal 1k
i keep saying why does wg give these type of players collector tanks

[glad flower]

No such thing exists

[fluid burrow]

rare
its like finding an 50tp proto user

[hollow wind]

Do I qualify?

[fluid burrow]

well better than most

[glad flower]

As a masochist? Definitely

[hollow wind]

The armour does hold up against 2026 players at least.

[glad flower]

Cant say ive played in 2026

[craggy grove]

I am kind of tired of Badgers low alpha and pretty poor traverse but it does not seem 268/4 is much better, at least it has good reverse and alpha though.

[vague fiber]

cali buff ruined 268/4

[glad flower]

Was unplayable before already

[meager sky]

need to buff the amx50b armor to 120mm because it can literally be he in front when its a heavy and irl have 120mm angled

[wicked quest]

How you misunderstand things is incredible

[naive hawk]

Hull armor back might be enough.

Btw, 50b today clip isn't that bad, since it have been buff to 415 and have like 2.5 instead of 2.73 intraclip

Oh, yeah I have plat 50b today to update how it went, it actually good

[obsidian socket]

Please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank somewhat comparable to premium tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold.
As is right now, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks.

[obsidian socket]

still nothing special with the tank, rather have a T57H or something else. Without Reactive Armor it should have less intra-clip or have Super Shell Reload Boost as the T57

[meager sky]

do i have to talk?

one he In the back, you're on fire and your ammo can explode

One he to the front and I can't move anymore

[wispy mist]

Buff or rework BZ-176, pls just make it better

[muted rampart]

No, because the point you are trying to make is not good.

You literally play a Grille 15 line, what do you expect?

If you want more survivability play like literally any other line in the game.

Borsig could probably use a buff, but most certainly not to it's survivability

[meager sky]

WHY , ITS PAIN TO SUFFER A BROKEN ENGINE

[muted rampart]

You can have 2 repair kits? Why is that a problem? It's not like borsig will get shot more than like 3-4 times before it dies most of the time.

[thorny timber]

If you're getting spotted in a borsig you're already 6/10 times cooked

[deep ingot]

no
do 3k average

[lilac crest]

Give IS-8 more traverse around 43-44 deg ,decrease top speed from 41 to 40 and buff PWR to 16.5 that all. I mean if this tank not reach 60ton yet the mobility can be more fast than this. IS-5 use stock IS-8 Engine v-12-5 but traverse reach 46 deg while IS-8 Use The upgrade version the V-12-6 but can only make 41 deg just give him more traverse

[glad flower]

[tight pasture]

When is rebalance lvl 8?

[wise falcon]

Context before reading:
This proposal is based on 400+ battles and focuses strictly on survivability and pacing (QoL) — not damage, burst, or meta impact.
Waffen F 1.0 currently performs among the lowest Tier X TDs despite high theoretical clip damage.
The changes below aim to address Blitz-specific issues (map size, battle length, exposure), not to make the tank stronger on paper.

Balance Proposal – Waffen F 1.0 (WoT Blitz)
Proposed Quality-of-Life Adjustments (Summary)

Focus: survivability & pacing, not damage increase.

Current → Proposed:

• Hit Points: 1900 → 2250 (+350)
• Magazine Base Reload: 30.68s → 26.68s (~−4s)
• Intra-clip Time (15 cm gun): 3.53s → 3.33s
• Equipment: Enable Spall Liner

No changes to: alpha damage, shells per magazine, penetration, gun handling, consumables, special ammo.

Rationale:

1️⃣ Context:
Waffen F 1.0 is a niche Tier X tank destroyer:

• extremely thin armor
• very large silhouette
• minimal room for error
• one of highest skill floors in Blitz

Goal: improve consistency in fast-paced Blitz battles while keeping difficulty & niche role intact.

2️⃣ Blitz-Specific Problems:
Compared to WoT PC:

• smaller maps
• faster engagements
• early spotting
• shorter battles (2–3 min)

Result:

• Detected almost immediately
• Often can't reload 2nd/3rd mag
• Dies before using full damage potential

Real performance limited by survivability, exposure, and long downtime between magazines.

3️⃣ +350 HP Reasoning:

• Doesn't increase damage, burst, or DPM
• Allows surviving 1 extra mistake, splash/HE damage, or disengage
• Pure defensive QoL change

4️⃣ Faster Reload:

• 30s reload punishing in Blitz
• ~4s reduction improves pacing & consistency
• total clip damage unchanged

5️⃣ Intra-clip:

• 3.53 → 3.33s
• Reduces exposure, not damage/DPM
• Less than 0.5s total reduction per magazine

6️⃣ Spall Liner:

• Large profile & HE vulnerability
• Reduces unavoidable splash damage
• Improves survivability, no offense change

7️⃣ Player Data:

• 400+ battles
• 3 Marks of Excellence
• Feedback from skilled players
• Global data: lowest-performing Tier X TD

Closing / TL;DR
This is not a damage buff
No effect on meta, rarity, or skill requirement
Only a small QoL adjustment to make the tank more consistent in Blitz
Preserves the high skill floor and niche identity

IGN: PEDRO_PE_FROM_SANTA_FE

[muted rampart]

That's... One of the most insane takes i've seen on this channel in quite a while. And that says a lot.

[indigo tide]

So heavium hp, impossible to HE and shorter intraclip for 1710 dmg while gaining dpm from the 6s reload buff (over 3k dpm) ?
Are you serious ?
"Improve survivability, no offense change" if it can resist more, it will be able to attack more so the offense capability is still buffed

[wise falcon]

Hey! Thanks for your comment. I get how these numbers might look alarming. Just to clarify:
+350 HP is purely defensive; it does not increase alpha, clip damage, or trading power. It only helps survive minor mistakes or splash/HE damage.
Magazine reload reduction (~4s) and intra-clip tweak (3.53 → 3.33s) slightly improve pacing, total clip damage and DPM remain almost the same.
In practice, Waffen F 1.0 is still the worst-performing Tier X TD. it’s extremely situational, fragile, and punishing to play. Most players don’t even reach theoretical damage potential.
The goal: better consistency and survivability for experienced players, without making the tank OP or meta-breaking.
Thanks for reading!

[indigo tide]

"Situationnal, fragile and and punishing to play" normal, it has 1710 burst damage... and if it has spall and that amount of hp it just can ignore all of these aspect, and when you see fv4005 you understand that we don’t need that...
If it can peak more easely without being punished,it’s an indirect buff to offense capability...

[final sky]

Matchmaking controlled. 1 team 6 players below 45% and the other players with 50, 60 wr ... nice one...
My team wr: 59 , 45, 44,48, 40, 43, 44
Other team wr: 57,52,57, 63, 52,52,45
Guess who won?

[craggy grove]

I feel like he just uses AI.

[indigo tide]

Yes, the way he is presenting it feels a lot like it

[craggy grove]

And how he is overly polite.

[terse beacon]

Waffen is not supposed to be a strong or competitive tank, does not need major buffs in any way just leave it as is

[sullen garden]

@bafflingracer50 100%

[craggy grove]

Hallo wargaming, greener here, buff 183.
Same sort of request as his lmao.

[cyan dune]

Brotha this is the wrong chat for that

[twilit flare]

If it’s about that one VK72 battle, you’re not being trolled. You need to gain more xp than others who played the tank. You need to do better in battles for the third mark

No

You losing progress because you didn’t gain enough xp.

[muted rampart]

Nothing, a mid battle. Base XP includes much more than just damage dealt, you need to do more in order to gain marks

[unkempt quest]

As far as I can see, this isn't a discussion about tank balance

[wary saddle]

? It's obvious

208 xp gained it says alot

[unkempt quest]

Please stick to the channel topic

[twilit flare]

Stick to the topic - this channel is about the balance of tanks, not gun marks.

secondly, you didn’t do well enough to gain gun mark progress. 3.1k damage alone isn’t that good.

[meager sky]

Buff the wz132 mobility, PLEASE,WEAKER THAN A HEAVY GUN HOW ITS A LIGHT TANK

@brisk cedar why did you do that

[scarlet yarrow]

give the T49 AP instead of HEAT plz, it sucks not being able to shoot through objects, and give it premium

[broken bloom]

that is a feature

kann es sein dass du dumm bist?

[obtuse rover]

What

[broken bloom]

it makes it harder to hit

[obtuse rover]

Oh I thought y meant it had an ap feature 😭 sorry

[languid lagoon]

YO DEVS INSTEAD OF FAKE TANKS CAN WE GET EARLY COLD WAR ERA TANKS? LETS GET TIERS 11-20!!!!!!

[languid lagoon]

can we get the sturmtiger?

[vague fiber]

[placid kestrel]

Bro you don't even have all the tanks, why asking for 10 more tiers?

[languid lagoon]

for when i do have all of them

[unkempt scaffold]

I can't play.

[hollow wind]

3.1k recently almost 3.2k :)

[terse cairn]

Give maus combat stabilization

[latent wolf]

Разраби ви тут

[primal mauve]

it could be good if we gave the maus E-100 12.8cm gun stats

[terse cairn]

I don't think it needs like 3k dpm

[primal mauve]

increase reload time

[waxen pagoda]

Добавьте двократное сближение в снайперском режиме для игроков на смартфонах!!!!!!!

[unkempt quest]

Hey, no swearing here

[primal yacht]

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[late pebble]

The IS-5 urgently needs a buff to its aiming time..

[placid kestrel]

Check coming soon

[uneven turtle]

So much good stuff

[naive hawk]

8 depression Is-5 gonna be gold

[tiny quail]

To be fair, for a tank that's specially achieved for having a clan and personal level of 10, having such terrible stats, isn't fitting, don't you all think?
The buff is needed.

[meager bison]

1.5k gold for a T8 tanks dont you think its very cheap?

[fluid burrow]

lorraine 40t needs a revamp make the height smaller and give more angled front plate to get bounces
change the alpha from 225 to 240 or 250 keeping the same magazine reload
give it angled sides to get troll bounces and nerf the hp from 1500 to 1400 but trade that hp with armour
it should have armour because it weighs 40 tons
if people think its gonna be too broken yeah no its still gonna be balanced after knowing tanks like t77 borrasque defender mk1 grom and many others exist
the current lorraine is huge , has bad camo and no armour what do you expect us to do with it

[uneven turtle]

This my friends is a prime example of why powercreep is a thing

[fluid burrow]

many tanks are powercrept

lorraine 40t needs 7.5 seconds to dump an entire clip and has to wait 20 seconds to get another clip of 900 damage
for mediums , active trading is the key to winning flanks not like dumping entire clip (most of them bounce) and wait for ages

[uneven turtle]

If anything it should just get its clip reload knocked down by like 3-4 seconds and at best, receive an alpha buff up to 240

Having a high damage clip on a mobile platform with armor as u suggested is not healthy for the tier

We should also really stop with the balancing logic of, “hey that other thing is op, so we should make this just slightly less op than that”
⬆️

[fluid burrow]

yes

[fluid burrow]

it may not be healthy thats true but if your tank is the size of a football field (perspective of aiming circle) without any armour you are basically free damage farm
not to mention t77 exists

or give lorraine 40t similar ability to ram like kr1 in WOT pc👍

everytime i try to play lorraine 40t i stay passive and snipe for medium distance but i get rushed everytime they target me because i dont have any armour

[uneven turtle]

If you ask me, I feel like it’s a really good anti heavy tank

7.5 seconds intra clip may be slow, but most hts don’t have a reload lower than that, and you have a clip that only needs to be dumped twice for any non super heavy t8 to be destroyed

[fluid burrow]

ik it can remove 1/2 of any heavy tanks hit points but the armour its non existent
its not like borrasque small and annoying

[uneven turtle]

Again, the way you’re thinking, makes you balance in a way that causes other tanks to be powercrept

Instead of buffing lor 40t even though it can receive buffs, we should talk more about nerfing some of the more powerful t8s

[fluid burrow]

is5 is getting a buff so its only time till other tanks get buff aswell

[uneven turtle]

Yeah that’s gonna be a big problem in t8 real soon

[fluid burrow]

nerf? WG doesnt know what nerf really means ngl

[uneven turtle]

In case that isn’t sarcasm, we have cases like the wz 113gft being a shadow of its former self, but still really strong when played properly

I’m sure you remember back when it had armor, mobility, and a hard hitting gun with a deceptively short reload

Now it keeps all that but the mobility which was the tipping point that made it op, at least that’s my opinion on what caused it to be so strong

[fluid burrow]

it even had reactive lol

im gonna buy wz 113 gft or probably minotauro soon

[uneven turtle]

Oh yeah and that too

-# I completely forgot about that

[hollow wind]

As much as I agree we should nerf more powerful tier 8's, most of them are premiums. It is unlikely that happens. So it is more reasonable to ask for buffs to tanks left behind.

[fluid burrow]

minotauro was a red potato before cali shell buff i remember the old days lol

[hollow wind]

O wz also had reticule calibration too

At least I think it did, the lower tiers of the same line have it

[fluid burrow]

ah

[uneven turtle]

Nah WG is perfectly fine with altering stats on all tanks

[hollow wind]

Usually they justify it by giving those premiums/collectors something in return though. In my mind that usually means the overall power of the tank doesn't change much

[uneven turtle]

Not really, but regarding your earlier statement about buffing the rest of the tanks

If u buff up everything in t8, t7 will get left behind, then you’ll have to buff up that entire tier as well, and so on with the tiers below

[fluid burrow]

also why are italian tanks so broken? like look at every italian tank in the game
it doesnt make any sense they are supposed to be the bad ones

[fluid burrow]

if they start dividing the tiers into groups it would be better like from tier 1 to 6 is a different mm and tier 7 to 10 a different mm

[uneven turtle]

Lion is decent
Carro is op
Prog is decent
Rino is really really strong
Mino is strong
Felice is op

I mean I’m fine with everything except carro and felice

[thorny timber]

Buffing t8s is kind of a stretch, cause then you'll have to make the t9s stronger as well to counterbalance due to the tier difference and then also perhaps tweak a few t10s as well for the same reason

[hollow wind]

Autoreloading is a good mechanic ig

[fluid burrow]

im fine with rino mino but carro and felice they are too good

[hollow wind]

It's a slow process, there aren't a whole lot of terrible and bad t8 tanks. Buffing those up to below average or average won't leave t7 tanks behind overnight. Over a few years the problem will arise for sure but in the case of 1 tank here 2 tanks there, powercreep isn't going to be a massive issue.

[uneven turtle]

Why make a slow process even slower by having to change the stats of so many tanks across tiers when you can just bring down the stats of specific tanks that the community has pointed out to be too good

[fluid burrow]

balacing includes
reducing stats on too good tanks
increasing stats on weak tanks so either one of this works

id suggest every update they buff 2-3 tanks and nerf 2-3 tanks

[uneven turtle]

There are much fewer tanks that need nerfing, than the vast amounts that need buffing

Beefing up and entire tier means u need to beef up the entire tier below it

It’s a vicious cycle 🤷🏻‍♂️

[hollow wind]

In the case of tech tree tanks, nothing. They should simply nerf/readjust those tanks.

In the case of premiums/collectors, why would people buy them if they know they could be nerfed a lot? Small adjustments would be fine for most people but that's not always going to be the case.

I agree it is more efficient to nerf overpowered tanks.

[uneven turtle]

I’m actually pleased with the fact that wg does actually care about balancing to a certain extent by touching up stats of premiums/collectors, so buying something in the game should be based off whether you like it or not, not because it gives you a clear advantage, we’ve seen repeated cases in t10, so now I’m hoping they can apply that to other tiers

[hollow wind]

For example, the Grom at tier 8 is OP. I want it to be nerfed despite owning one myself, but how do they nerf it without ruining it? If they do small adjustments they likely won't be meaningful. If they do bigger nerfs people who paid for it get upset, maybe that's worth it for WG.

Yeah at tier 10 it has been overall nice. Glad they are looking back at tiers9 and 8 somewhat

[terse beacon]

Lion one of if not the very worst medium in t10 btw

[hollow wind]

I doubt that. It has good armour, an autoreloader with good dpm and decent mobility.

[terse beacon]

Decent mobility 💀💀💀 and no the armour is not good either it is alright at best. It's not an awful tank but it's not a good one either and compared to the rest of t10 meds it is easily one of the weakest

[obsidian socket]

Please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank somewhat comparable to premium tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold.
As is right now, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks.

[hollow wind]

Seems pretty average preformance wise. So far my experience has been quite good with it.

Winrate lower middle, damage was higher middle

[terse beacon]

Are you seriously basing how good tanks are off average stats across the playerbase?💀

Gee I guess stb is the best medium in the game then and leopard is absolutely useless

Like I've already said it's not awful, but it is most definitely one of the worst mediums atm, the only saving grace is the gun is pretty good, but not good enough to make up for everything else

[hollow wind]

No, though looking at the rest it seems pretty wack. 62a is pretty good, leo is too

[terse beacon]

Because average stats across the playerbase are completely worthless for judging tanks, at best they'll show you good tanks for noobs and that's about it

[hollow wind]

after considering most tanks here, I can see what you mean by it being one of the worst tier 10 mediums. I think calling it one of if not the worst seems a bit exaggerated despite probably being accurate.

Cause most of them are good

[last adder]

no, worst it's STB-1

[remote oriole]

I guess it‘s easy to forget that the average player is average

[terse beacon]

Lion is not better than stb

[last adder]

leopard 1 it's light tank for me

[obtuse rover]

For leopard 1 I’d trade the adaptive concealment mechanic for its old gun depression. I feel that the leo1 already having no armor should be flexible on multiple terrain. Also adaptive concealment should be exclusive to certain tanks only like Chinese lt and cs63 so the leo1 wouldn’t just be flat better

[meager sky]

The WZ-132-1 need a gun buff ,i suggest 236pen→245,7.09sec reload → 6.50sec reload(3323 dpm).

[scenic olive]

100% agree, the Leo just doesn’t feel right without the gun depression

[obsidian socket]

Please revisit the enrichment bonus to make the enriched tank somewhat comparable to premium tanks. It's also a good way to entice players to spend gold.
As is right now, the bonus doesn't compensate well enough the abysmal credit coefficient for line tanks.

[naive hawk]

Defender Mk1:

[naive hawk]

Yeah, it felt like more a light tank which is.

Give it AP standard and 9 depress and take adaptive off.

[obtuse rover]

I honestly doubt they would revert it to AP standard cuz I see it at as the devs giving the standard ammo roles. Leo1 is supposed to be a sniper medium so they gave it APCR and fast shell velocity same with grille

[obtuse rover]

Like the tank is good but it just felt better before yk

[naive hawk]

Yeah, I see why. Still APCR are annoying shell ngl.

[obtuse rover]

lol no doubt, I could look past Leo and grille because they are accurate but tanks like the E4 should have ap standard

[placid kestrel]

Nah tier 10 Chinese light can be solved with this:
390 alpha gun with similar or a bit more dpm so the reload threshold is above 7 seconds.
And much better aim time like other chinese cannons with fast aim time.
I think problem solved no joke.
Maybe a bit more hp on the fuel tank.

[vital topaz]

Nerf ac war gaming

[prisma jetty]

You’re right, the AC1 really needs a nerf

[vital topaz]

The Tier X version of that thing has more armor than a Maus

[vague fiber]

Nah bro it was buffed now Great turret armour, tungsten, everything

[prisma jetty]

oh sorry, you just said "ac" so I assumed you meant ac1 my bad

[vital topaz]

That line in general needs a literal balancing; it's stronger than the mouse line.
War Gamin went overboard adding armor. Xd

[hushed token]

At this point . I believe every tank has better armor profile than maus

[vital topaz]

When properly angled, the AC not only has more armor than the Maus

[meager bison]

even sheridan bounces more shots than maus

[terse beacon]

Wasn't buffed enough

[scarlet yarrow]

GIVE THE STB-1 MORE FREAKING PEN AND DPM, its literal garbage

[terse beacon]

Has highest pen of all meds and lights btw

[muted rampart]

What? It's a solid T10 med.

Back when it used to have a bit more DPM it was hands down the best T10 med in the game and it wasn't even close. They nerfed the DPM on it for a reason.

[scarlet yarrow]

really, 313 prem pen is useless

[terse beacon]

.... It's AP

[naive hawk]

True, even today it has like 11 depression which is really good

[muted rampart]

You seem to ignore the fact that it is AP, which is by far the best shell type in the game.

Thanks to 5 degrees of normalization, 310 AP is pretty much just as effective as 330-340 HEAT

[naive hawk]

Try M48 patton probably

[scarlet yarrow]

well the best shell type in the game cant pen a Jageroo on flat ground

[naive hawk]

Why would you pen a super heavy on flat ground in a med?

[muted rampart]

It can though? With like no problem what so ever

[scarlet yarrow]

ya know what, yall clearly cant, and never will understand why the pen sucks

[prisma jetty]

No medium can pen the superstructure on flat ground…

[muted rampart]

It doesn't, you just have a skill issue

[naive hawk]

Even it cannot pen, Med shouldn't pen super heavy who could barely traverse anyway (but it can, so suck that)

[muted rampart]

Um, yeah, see you later ig

<@&481447501690568709>

[scarlet yarrow]

not in the slightest

[prisma jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/ironic-star-wars-chode-gif-5274592

[naive hawk]

It is, 5 normalization is really good.

[scarlet yarrow]

almost everything about the STB-1 is bad

[prisma jetty]

Perhaps looking inwards is the answer

[naive hawk]

You seem to look down on 11 gun depression too much but okay, see you later

[terse beacon]

It must be nice being so confidently wrong all the time tell me what it's like bro

[scarlet yarrow]

i said almost everything

[naive hawk]

So kranvagn suck for you?

[whole nebula]

Shells pen is always up for chance, you can stack as many “likely’s” as you want… it is never a 100% pen value.

[scarlet yarrow]

the Kran is fine, but what does that have to do with any of what i'm talking about

[whole nebula]

Its amazing how accurate a snap shot can be sometimes also

[naive hawk]

Wow you said kranvagn is fine but stb don't, all while kranvagn is.

Slow
Low penetration
Weak hull armor
Average DPM
Low on alpha

Literally almost everything on kranvagn suck if i use your standard

[whole nebula]

Im hearing buff kranvagn echoing through this channel lol

[scarlet yarrow]

its pointless to even talk to any of you at this point

[whole nebula]

Buff t110e4 while were at it.

[naive hawk]

I am using your standard, so kranvagn suck.

[whole nebula]

I never thought much of the stb. Theres too many real threats out there lurking

[naive hawk]

It probably fine btw. I am just saying a tank with 10+ gun depress and great turret armor is good, even other stat make them look deceptively bad.

[whole nebula]

Controversial comment by Bushka where he said the fv4202 was a good tank. A tank for the elites looking for Challenge. It was about that time i knew to trust no youtubers, they are in a different world to my reality

[whole nebula]

Kran suffers from the EU sluggishness. Its just ok. We need a turret rotation provision to exist, it would help alot of tanks out

[naive hawk]

Maybe? So it bad too? I wouldn't say it suck

[whole nebula]

Its just ok. If you stay in the first shell its fine. Armour works on the turret frontally…definatly not the sides. Enemy dont like how you can hit them 2 times or even 3 so thats what makes them chill out

Kran should get a single shot option, and 60tp should get a rapid fire option. Make them useful to more modes

[naive hawk]

Kran probably fine with 1st or 2nd shell shot btw. So it really good.

Also progetto is somehow feel good because of how flexible their gun reload are (even though it has bad DPM)

[whole nebula]

I played the progetto the other day and i hadnt seen bad accuracy like that in a while. Progetto gun is usually pretty good, i use it less because its quite long so hard to hide all of it from things

I lowkey hope the T57 gets a reloader or singleshot this year…otherwise i never play it,

[naive hawk]

That guy probably make a harder complain about progetto btw.

Because on the paper it is even worse than STB-1

[whole nebula]

We like what we like, thats whats fun about the game. I do pretty well in the TVPVTU which makes no sense to my clanmates.

[terse beacon]

It's always had garbage accuracy

[whole nebula]

T10 meds i just dont have the knack for. Something i cannot seem to fix

If i play a mt, my hts or tds suck, so ill change to a ht and the mts wont spot or are scared. Maybe even both. Some maps are worse than others for each class.

And i genuinely hate Faust map. Why cany copperfield be made bigger so i dont have to play t6 to match with it

[smoky kestrel]

Buff grilles turn rate on gah

[twin egret]

Many maps need to be made bigger ngl, but I think there is some merit and challenge to having some small maps, at least for low tiers. Copperfield should be limited up to tier 6 honestly, tier 7 has pretty much "powercrept" the map if there makes sense. Most tier 7's are all very strong and have really good view range. Mines on the other hand does not benefit from being small. The map really only feels usable up to tier 4 but at tier 10 the lack of alternative, safe paths to make counter plays or make a push is annoyingly inhibited by how large of a scope the TD positions have. An enjoyable map has paths and positions for medium and heavies w/o an overarching fear of TDs camping. Let heavies brawl heavies quarters, same with meds. It's the reason why Dead Rail's heavy side is so atrocious because TD nests have full coverage of where heavies should be brawling

[worn roost]

Italy should have their own tech tree
Italy is currently grouped under the "European Nation" umbrella. However, Italy now has three full branches (Mediums, Heavies, and Tank Destroyers) and more content than some independent nations in the game. It lacks a clear national identity and a dedicated low-tier starting point.

Proposed Solution:
Move Italy into its own dedicated Tech Tree tab and bridge the gap in Tiers I–V by adding historical Italian vehicles.

Proposed Low-Tier Lineup:
Tier I: Fiat 3000
Tier II: L6/40
Tier III: M13/40
Tier IV: M15/42
Tier V: P.26/40 (P40)

Why this should be implemented:
Completeness: Adding the L6/40, M-series, and P40 allows for a logical, historical progression from Tier I to the existing Tier VI tanks.

UI Organization: The European tree is becoming overcrowded. Separating Italy (which is now a "major" nation in terms of vehicle count) will make the Tech Tree much easier to navigate.

National Identity: Players want to earn Italian-specific "Technical Engineer" medals and hear Italian crew voices from Tier I onward, rather than using the generic European assets.

Asset Availability: Most of these models already exist in the Wargaming ecosystem (WoT PC), which would simplify the implementation process for the Blitz development team.

[craggy grove]

420 is low? Also average DPM on an autoreloader is a disadvantage?

[naive hawk]

You should probably read all of the statement

[craggy grove]

Please stop using AI for this channel....

[craggy grove]

I get it you are putting his point into perspective but these two points are just wrong.

[worn roost]

Got it, but please understand my point: there are too many tanks for both Italy and Poland

[naive hawk]

Because his point was wrong on the first place, I just exaggerate it with kran so he will see the flaw of his argument

[worn roost]

In Poland’s case there are also tier II and III, which could be expanded with a tier I and IV to connect the whole tech tree

[craggy grove]

Every nation in EU has at least two branches except Sweden...

I think it is fine as is, there are already a lot of tech trees to click through and I believe the badges can be added even without the separate nation, although this is the first time I have heard of anyone asking for them.

[worn roost]

If you look on the internet about the matter there are some old Reddit posts dating back till 10 months ago (up to 1 year ago) about people questioning why France has an independent tech tree while Italy doesn’t, and generally nowadays the European faction is generally composed by Italy and Poland, which hold 2/3 of the entire European tech tree

If we think about European tech tree as an umbrella, then I genuinely think it’s getting too small to cover 2 nations who have been enlarged

And to compensate the loss of the tier II and III could be added Hungarian/Finnish tanks

[lunar totem]

Алууууууу

[craggy grove]

Probably because France has a more prominent and distinct tank design school compared to poland which has mostly relied on importing other nations designs for the most part except interbellum and the more recent history.
Italy, while having its own tank design school, is seen as less independent, taking more inspiration from germany and also relying on import rather than on their own designs for the scope of the World of Tanks Blitz.

Less independent design wise, you can see clear similarities of Standard B and Leopard PT A, or Lion and Leopard 1, for example.

[worn roost]

I see, but we could argue that very same topic about China, which tanks are generally USSR imported and modified in the last tiers.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, because you’re right and it can be easily verified

[hollow wind]

The blitz nation starts at tier 4, in preperation for reforged turning tiers 1-3 into "vintage" tiers. So wouldn't a hypothetical italian tech tree also start at tier 4 for consistencies sake?

[craggy grove]

They have different design philosophy in that they rely on more straight plates over pike nose layout (1 tech tree tier X tank having pike nose as opposed to 2 tier X in soviet tech tree), as well as IS-4 having well pronounced cheeks while WZ-113 have straight corners.
That is not to say there are no similarities, just that I think that china having all classes of tanks as well as being a major power does warrant it being a separate tech tree.
This discussion is getting outside of the channels scope, I suggest we move either to either #general-blitz-discussion or #off-topic-discussion because tech tree organization does not contribute to balance outside XP costs.

[worn roost]

Fair enough, I agree.

[wicked quest]

France was implemented as the first new country, the UK wasn’t added at first and had to be implemented down the road

[worn roost]

@craggy grove because tech trees are not off-topic I suggest general discussion

[remote oriole]

??? UK was the first tech tree to be added after the launch of the game (initially only featuring USSR, Germany and USA)

[wicked quest]

That is exactly what I said after France, I remember it too when I was 9 actually I think i was 8 when UK was added post launch

[remote oriole]

Then I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say with your initial post

[broken bloom]

yes sherlock, you clearly understand the game better than anyone else. See you in the next Blitzcup Finals

[glad flower]

😂

[craggy grove]

Do you think Grom will ever get nerfed?

[glad flower]

Hard to say but it most likely wont get nerfed anytime soon

[hollow wind]

I think assault shells is more likely to get changed than Grom to be nerfed. Currently assault shells are, in my opinion, overtuned at 50m. I would prefer WG to nerf assault shells at close range and buff them at longer ranges, then follow that up by changing the polish td's if need be.

[brisk cedar]

Then people would use them to camp again I presume``

[hollow wind]

It doesn't have to be a lot and people will camp in them regardless. Not sure what most people do but I've seen* more people yolo in them than camp in them.

[terse cairn]

The whole point of assault shells is to punish those who are camping. I think they are meant to play more like support heavies. People yoloing in it is their skill issue

[hollow wind]

I mostly agree, my earlier point was mainly concerning the Grom being OP and something that could maybe be done about it.

Like, instead of 0.8, 1, 1.2, 1,4 for assault shells damage. It could be 0.85, 1, 1.15, 1.3 instead without changing the usage of the guns.

Or they could stop being linear and keep the drawback the same as now.

[static urchin]

How can i apply my wargaming account for world of tanks blitz reforged ultra test 4. My in game id name is deepakkhatri100 🤔🤨

[craggy grove]

I mean, there are tank destroyers with similar DPM to Gonk with assault shells in tier 9, but they do not feel OP do they?

[craggy grove]

Grom is probably the worst offender because its all round so good for tier 8, but I feel like lacking a turret really holds it back for good.

I mean, according to blitzkit, Kust has better average damage than Grom, but I would prefer Grom over it any day of the week lol.

[hollow wind]

No, the Gonk is fine. Like I said to DDM, I mainly want the grom to be nerfed, and assault shells is a way I am open to. Of course the tech tree tanks would need re-evaluating.

[craggy grove]

Yeah, that is my point, Ion. Gonk and Blys are fine, it is the Grom that really stands out compared to its peers.

[hollow wind]

The main difference between the Grom and the Kilana at tier 8 is the 1 extra degree of gun depression imo. The kilana even has more DPM than the grom.

[craggy grove]

In fact, Blys could probably use a buff.

[craggy grove]

Does the Grom not have better mobility, alpha and armor? It sure feels so from my expirience.

[hollow wind]

1 more degree of gun depression would go hard for all of them. I don't think it would be balanced though.

The grom has better acceleration but similar top speed

[hollow wind]

The armour is thinner too but it is broken up into more parts and angled better in some parts so it has "wider" armour. Also 7 degrees of gun depression to the others 6

Alpha damage is true, but the kilana has better dpm.

[hollow wind]

:)

Idk what they need to do to nerf the grom but it needs something done. Same with the Erich koncept

[craggy grove]

If they really wanted to average it out, they could give its cheeks same treatment as with Blys.

[hollow wind]

I suppose part of why Grom isn't that big of an issue is that it is fairly rare. So despite it being too strong you don't encounter them often enough for it to become frustrating. Similar to getting clipped out by a Waffen or HESHed by a 183.

[terse beacon]

The prammo and alpha in general is the major diff

[craggy grove]

Wait, you do not fight 183 every tier X game? XD

That aside, yeah, there really are not that many Groms.

Also, I feel like for a casemate TD, alpha is more important than DPM as you cannot track enemies as lightly so it is easier to play off of higher damage per shot.

[craggy grove]

Prammo? They both use APCR/APCR/HE though?

[terse beacon]

Go look at groms prammo dpm and alpha compared to kilana

[hollow wind]

I mean getting penetrated by the HESH rounds doesn't happen very often.

[craggy grove]

Oh, you are right. Why does Grom only lose 70 damage per shot.

[craggy grove]

To be fair, unless you are playing something with a very dubious armor scheme, you can prevent a HESH penetration by facing the 183.

[hollow wind]

The alpha in general is fair. I don't often fire the prammo in either so ig. I would prefer 1 degree of gd with worse prammo though.

[hollow cedar]

Not sure why one would need to nerf Grom. Even if its somewhat stronger than Kilana, its held back by the fact its a slow turning TD.

[craggy grove]

According to Blitzkit, it has same effective hull traverse rate as Progetto 46.

[hollow cedar]

Except the Progetto has a turret, that's quite a difference.

[blissful surge]

Hot take here centurion line needs turret buff they look great but fall flat against alot of autoloders or anything with a big gun

[upper knot]

We should see links and instructions on how to join UT4 very soon. Watch #📢ut4-newsfeed

[meager sky]

how can the amx50b pen me here

[cerulean hinge]

PRammo

[meager sky]

CANT you see the 532mm ?

[hybrid fern]

How about this tiny line

[south helm]

Who the hell decided to move Skoda T27 to T9 to face T10 tanks? Were they drunk?

Might as well sit in a tin can with a sling shot

[meager sky]

that literally a bug and the amx50b didnt hit here

[uneven turtle]

Can we have a screenshot from the replay of where the shell from the 50B hit your turret

[meager sky]

sure

[craggy grove]

They are also moving up TS-60, T-2020, Kanonenjagdpanzer and Tornvagn.

[uneven turtle]

Now can I see where the 50B was when he shot you

[south helm]

I hope they at least get buffed accordingly so that they're competitive

[grave vault]

Vickers and Keiler will also move to tier IX. 💔✌️

[meager sky]

In all case it was IMPENETRABLE like here its 500mm but on other angle is literally 1110

[south helm]

So, a lot of broken and useless tanks inc - gg

[uneven turtle]

Can I see where the 50B was at the moment of when he shot you

[meager sky]

why

[uneven turtle]

Just humour me

[meager sky]

well we cant show it on the video but here Pretty close to where he shot

[hollow wind]

Shell markers are a little inaccurate too. They show higher then they actually hit sometimes

[uneven turtle]

I guess he got lucky with just barely avoiding the extremely angled turret roof that you’re looking at

[hybrid fern]

do you have a replay file?

[south helm]

prolly just server lag

[uneven turtle]

Also judging from the 50B’s position on the minimap from this screenshot that you gave, he would’ve been unable to hit the turret roof since(my rough estimate) this is what he would be looking at

[hybrid fern]

the exact shot can reconstructed from the replay file on wotinspector

[uneven turtle]

All in all, he got really lucky

[meager sky]

hell nah the amx 50b is really tall the View you're showing is like a t100lt view bruh

[uneven turtle]

I beg to differ, since the minimap shows he’s moderately far from you, and my map knowledge tells me that the place he’s looking at you from, is at a lower area than you

[meager sky]

We can clearly see that the amx 50b It is elevated because it is on a slope, and it was going up the slope, which may explain its significant elevation.

[uneven turtle]

But again, there’s no way to tell unless you give us the screenshot of the moment of when he shot you, which would be quite easy for you to do

[meager sky]

wait

[uneven turtle]

Well case closed I guess

-# I can’t zoom out any further

[next elbow]

when im in a niche buff competition and my opponent is wg

[next elbow]

Celeno got buffed? Dont see it anywhere

[twin egret]

engine power buff indicates p/w ratio buff, it's a byproduct but not necessary to post ig

[placid kestrel]

Yeah

[south helm]

I'm surprised they didn't buff/redid the hideous Nemesis...
A medium tank with 8 sec reload and 20 sec magazine reload. I know the star of the game was supposed to be the HEAT shells, but they are so troll, even when aimed accurately, that one might as well use AP shells all the time. And then take into account the shell and magazine reload time above - the Nemesis is actually one of the worse T8 mediums. It also has close to the armor of a LT - it practically bounces nothing. There are 10+ other T8 mediums I'd rather play.
The tank surely cost enough! 0.05% chance!!!
And another 0.05% chance for the camo, which isn't even animated...
Come to think of it, I haven't seen a Nemesis for ages in T8 games, so there you go... Below average. I never touch mine. The tank is just subpar all the way and I regret ever spending a single cent on it's crates.

[next elbow]

tank is good but price is not justified

[south helm]

No it is not. Not compared to other T8 mediums

[dapper zenith]

say not again 🙂

[craggy grove]

I have seen one yesterday or the day before so ¯_(ツ)_/¯ also I think you meant HESH, not HEAT.

[south helm]

Yeah, HESH ofc

[craggy grove]

Do you think that the Nemesis, Sentinelle, IS-3 Defender, T28 Defender and M-IV-Yoh should get the Shell Reload Boost?

[azure plaza]

T100LT camo idea

[mint pasture]

i lost my ultra tester role

[craggy grove]

Literally its first legendary camo, there are tier Xs out there without 3d legendary camouflages or without legendary camos at all.

[azure plaza]

ok?! whaat is wrong with the camo i put up there? dont complain to me about things that are not in the game lol

[craggy grove]

That it already exists in the game...? It is basically the same idea, just with a camouflage applied, no stolen sideskirts and a radar dish instead of a grenade launcher.

[azure plaza]

the camo is very different lol. 🤣

[craggy grove]

To you, maybe.

[nimble zodiac]

This is not tank balance related anyways

[azure plaza]

wdym "to you" it is blatantly obvious that they are different

[fringe egret]

Glad to know the tornvagn dpm is best empty than full now

[solid hedge]

Check out the T28 it looks like T95 now, also the armor is much better

[primal mauve]

no more that weird lower plate really helps tbh

[solid hedge]

I find people aiming at my cupola , even with premium ammo

[fringe egret]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-gif-18640695

[placid kestrel]

And the t28 proto now has terrible lower plate

[craggy grove]

Wise balancing people, do you think that the Nemesis, Sentinelle, IS-3 Defender, T28 Defender and M-IV-Yoh should get the Shell Reload Boost?

[placid kestrel]

I honestly think shell reload boost should be removed from the game

And intra clip of autoloaders in general should be increased.
Non cyclical guns are too strong in this meta

[grave plinth]

when dev will make another tier X rebalance ???

[scenic hazel]

Who came up with the is-5 buff why is it so broken

[craggy grove]

Is it not the whole point of these specific autoloaders? That they can trade better with cyclic guns in return for a sharp dropoff in DPM when they have to load a new clip?

[finite lake]

I think the polish tds need a bit buff for there reverse speed and bit armor or specialized consumables or provisions like gear oil

[upper garden]

I think devs should give to sheridan and it whole tech tree to 8lvl water cross-country ability equal to or slightly worse in terms of off-road performance , because it was amphibious landing tank

[finite lake]

Exactly a bit offroad speed nerd but soft terrain speed buff but mainly to the sheridan the t92 was a tank that can be easily deployed behind enemy like from a glider or helicopter becouse they were designed as airborne tanks

[upper garden]

Yeah , good idea

[finite lake]

The t49 and t92 i think they were airborne tanks like they have been droped by a plane behind enemy lines for example the m22 locust

[upper garden]

Bro, it turns out we're both talking nonsense. I double-checked the info and it turns out that only the Sheridan was an amphibious tank that could be used for landing, and the T92E1 was just a landing tank with amphibious capabilities, but the T49 had neither the first nor the second quality. 😅

[craggy grove]

Pretty sure T92 was not amphibious, hence the XM551 was prioritized for development instead, which is both an airborne and amphibious tank – though it takes time to prepare it for water crossing. Unsure about pilot one we have in-game, but here is what the production amphibous M551 looked like when ready for water crossing.

[upper garden]

Okay, I got it