tank-balance-discussion

[glad flower]

😂😂😂😂

[frigid token]

there is no 4-shot clip gun in wot blitz.

I think T57 with 4x380 will be better
The amx is suitable for 3x400

[jagged fern]

I appreciate @uneven turtle and @clear shuttle for arguing in good faith.

We all agree that FV215b as well as other “clunky, big paper tanks” like leoprd and few others are going to be underwhelming for the below average as well as the average player.

And that’s probably still going to be true after the buffs.

My worry is, that it’s a very bad idea to balance the game only around the “average player”.
That type of mindset will very quickly ruin any highly competitive meta be it in ranked games or tournaments etc.

Insulting my skill is pointless and very childish.
If they overbuff FV, I can assure you I would be able to use it myself to farm some nice wr and high damage games.

Same with T95E6 or Rino. Those tanks really suit me.
But I am not selfish. I don’t want a vehicle in the game which is OP (even if it’s too complicated for the vast majority of the playerbase).

As most tournament players who comment in this section are probably unicums or superunicums it’s good to keep in mind that WG takes their bias into consideration.
Because as we can see, players like @sleek pier use flawed logic like “I am an above average player, give me unbalanced tools which will allow me to smash everybody” unless they are another skilled player in the same vehicle (or similarly broken)

[vivid portal]

will foch get buff?

[brave dragon]

The proposed balance changes are posted in #balance-changes
And there is an extra discussion channel: #discussion-and-feedback for the tier X rebalance.

[ashen copper]

4005?? 50B?? Carro??

[ashen copper]

When was the tank ever op

[manic flint]

i think 4 shots like 4005 becoming 2 shots and 50b becoming 3 shots

[ashen copper]

He said there is NONE

[mystic nova]

dude idk what you’re trying to say

[last bolt]

most French lights (with lower tier guns), some French heavies... the T5 leo, the MT-25 has an 8 shot autoloader I think.

[half onyx]

Guys what are good tanks in the meta right now? for T10 of course

[ashen copper]

Low tiers don’t count

[jagged fern]

“FV is a good tank” (yes it is)
“We do not need thousand op vehicle” (yes we dont)

“Dpm nerf and armor buff would have been nice” (no absolutely not, it wouldn’t.)

1. it would make the tank less unique. Fragile vehicles which can be destroyed easily, but offer a pay off if you can use them correctly are good for the game
2. when a tank like FV is arguably well balanced, why does it need to be changed?

[glad flax]

Why the biter has more camo while moving than stationary ?

[last bolt]

french lights/heavies still count for that, then with an all-encompasing statement like “There are NO 4-shot autoloaders in the game AT ALL”, I would think all tiers count

[ashen copper]

Because every one knows low tiers have auto loaders what’s the point in bringing it up

[solar cove]

Yo im already barely playing wotb bc of how bad it is but these balance changes are trashhh

Buff the e100 turret amor instead of touching its gun

[gleaming monolith]

Got Titan strife from a free crate a while back, played it today and man is it bad, slow as heck, the gun depression just doesn't work for it and no elevation.

Gun is ok, very frustrating to play, I never sell tanks but this one may have to go if it's not fixed.

I dunno I hate it, just can't play it.

[lilac sage]

when the update coming for this L rebalance

[glad flax]

If you want to do this then simply lower the camo of all tanks and buff view range why would one tank only have this

[ornate dirge]

is f3 getting nerfed?

[meager dawn]

might be a bit of a strange take but id like to see Grille get adaptive concealment

[ashen copper]

No it should get 640 back instead

[still orchid]

i dont understand why hori gets no nerf

i can understand majority of the changes besides the carro and a few others but why is hori and super conqueror literally untouched?

[mystic nova]

also the wz getting buffed?

[brazen creek]

you will never ever get the answer, its obvious ho-ri need a nerf and EVERYBODY in the community know, but what can we do?

[clear shuttle]

give it its pc stats

[still orchid]

they always buff it or dont do anything to it... it doesnt even play like td anymore you are just a turretless heavium with reactive armor and infinite penetration

[bronze glacier]

Need 2nd gun to XM551 Sheridan.

[still orchid]

they just protect this tank so hard always no matter what it will get a buff or everything else will get nerfed besides this tank... if your team grabs enemy's attention 1 hori is enough to grief your entire battle. or there are certain spots where if hori locks them down there is just no logical way to move because you will get molested instantly, i think it just needs full remake because 10s is just too fast for this tank its not even the damage overall its just you have very narrow window to do anything even in a medium. it will outrade almost any autoloader autoreloader in the game due to consumables as well...

[brazen creek]

AMX M4 54 mle Needs -10º depression like the Lorraine 50T

[warped badger]

I am very curious about the Vk.90.01(P) changes.
Its one of my most favourite wehicles and I am hoping that I will not have any reason to stop playing it.

[opal adder]

Tungsten for the 183

[bronze glacier]

They need add 2nd gun to XM551 Sheridan, reason is - Sheridan rejected from Prof players, Prof players reason is = Troll gun.

I made something about 2nd gun and main troll gun.

Troll gun - (152mm)
reload - 20 second reload
DPM - 2250 / 3000
Bullets - HE - Damage 750, splash damage 250 (150-175) / HE 1000, splash damage 350 (Penetrate - 100)
Aim time = 4,7 second
Depression = 0.376

2nd gun (105mm)
Reload - 8.80 second.
DPM - 2720 / 2720 / 4080
Bullets = APCR 400 (Penetrate - 245), HEAT 400 (Penetrate - 275) HE 600 (Penetrate - 60)
Aim time = 3.6
Depression = 0.320
(Most of these stats were made by looking at WOT PC Sheridan's stats.)

Sheridan must be playable tank because always rejected because of the main gun. Just help me for bring that message to WG.

I have too many reason about XM551 Sheridan main gun, XM551 Sheridan can't be like WOT PC Sheridan?

[bronze glacier]

These stats can be changed, no problem, but it just has to be better than the troll gun, like DPM and Bullet Dmg/penetrate, i just want Sheridan's 2nd gun in WotB.

[clear shuttle]

is there an actual reason to why people want the 4005 to have a single shot 183mm

[ashen copper]

So when they get spotted they don’t instantly die

[ashen copper]

This is horrible 20 second reload to not pen anything

[open lake]

Buff gsor fearless

[mortal shore]

no i mean like refined gun and stuff

[glad flax]

À good player will shot get in a safe place do it again

[bronze glacier]

That troll gun will be change. Or you can use 2nd gun(105mm)

[open lake]

Buff gsor fearless

[woeful salmon]

Well, you release 116 on crates just for money and it’s ok. BUT: after this, you literally gifted to all with auction and now nerf it to a useless no dpm tank.
Now the question is: why in the earth a people will, in future, buy anything from your store?
Keep in mind: Trust is important

Note:
About the change on 116 for a better balance: Ok for remove reactive armor but don’t need remove sandbag or viceversa

[wind lily]

Кто тут русский

[wary saddle]

@twilit flare

Job

[wind lily]

Я незнаю как протей получить

[primal yacht]

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[half onyx]

Okay thx

[mystic nova]

the 116 will still be good for pubs, really just lost its comp appeal

[barren goblet]

It still has armor,decent speed and 3 shots gun. Reactive armor is comp must have, in random battle its not as useful or decisive.

[terse cairn]

Super conq probably gonna replace it

[woeful salmon]

there are a lot of better tanks to use instead 116. With higher dpm and durability. And are free tanks (no money needed). 2450 HP is a mediocre heavy tank with 1260 clip and very long reload. Definitely time to stop to buy anything

[cursive minnow]

Ok

[terse cairn]

Kran would be a better 116 imo. The only thing 116 had was the hp, reactive and better mobility than the kran.

[mystic nova]

dude reactive sucks for pubs. you shouldn’t be taking damage in the first place, and if you get shoved by 4 tanks that’s just on u gangsta

[wooden crow]

Look how they massacred my boy

[barren goblet]

Last tournament was 90% 116. Compared to how they nerfed previous meta tournament tanks, it got off lightly losing only reactive.

[mystic nova]

so you play so agro you get shoved by 4 players at once? @elfin scarab. it seems like your strategy is not the best but you do you

interesting mind set, running 1v4s. man you must be on my team a lot

you are the best player ever, must be top 4 on APAC please teach me how to play like you. I would love to average 2.8k pls pls pls tell me how

[next mauve]

😭😭

[mystic nova]

oh you are so right, i should be greateful to talk to a super amazing player like you. i am so sorry sir, please forgive me, i would dust your shoes if you just teach me how you average 2.5k

I am so sorry i wish i were a 60%er too

oh you are so right my new best super unicum friend, I wish I could be a blue wn8player too

wow i’ve never met one of those before omg!

[next mauve]

Hey man, it’s not nice to stat shame a guy who wants to learn from you

[mystic nova]

oh you are so right, i will get better before talking to you

bruv, tournaments are the only thing wg actually pays cash prizes for… are you serious

like it was fun rage baiting with you but wow that was a cold take

I mean considering the 116f3 was ran as a 7 tank lineup this comp season it does have a major impact on the game. and just because you don’t play tourneys doesn’t invalidate that side of the game, in fact it is really the only thing wg does for top players imo

go and get clipped out in a pub see how well it works

but you are da best 50%er out there, you must be right. i just wish i could be 50

ur so insightful, you should call comp matches

🤯

u da best

very very knowledgeable

woooooow

[fickle tinsel]

horrible opinion

idk if you're trolling or what but this genuinely makes no sense like do you really think super unis avoid all damage just because they can? 🤣

think youre trying to cosplay being better than u are

[mystic nova]

u r totally right i am blue wn8

[fickle tinsel]

you cant fool me your account ign (ingame name) is WildThing737

[mystic nova]

omg you caught me @fickle tinsel

[scenic pelican]

🧠

[fickle tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-snail-gary-slime-gif-11015967445393774327

[carmine dome]

i think this change is good.

[mossy pollen]

They nerfed a tank that was already bad, that change is objectively horrible. The T57 heavy has always been a mediocre platform with middling armor and HP for a heavy, and absolutely god awful mobility with the exception of traverse which allowed it to reengage people in a brawl quickly. That traverse is the ONLY thing the platform has going for it, so the gun needs to be ludicrously good to make up for it. Unfortunately, they nerfed it for no reason last time they touched the stats. Now, they want to make what used to be the pain train heavy tank into a thomas the tank engine heavy tank that nobody will take seriously because it’s terrible.

[carmine dome]

sorry i cannot take you seriously, Jtag20.

[twin egret]

T57 is an abnoxious tank to deal with because it can dump a 1.2k dmg clip in less than 3 seconds with shell boost lol, but they nerfed the tank way too hard on this

[carmine dome]

Personally I think that the changes for the T57 Heavy are suspiciously close to perfect.

[mossy pollen]

Just because you cannot take me seriously doesn’t discredit my argument.

[carmine dome]

That is true. Your argument may be terrific. But I didn't read it because of the stated fact... 😭

[mossy pollen]

I disagree, it’s not unique in any regard to outputting 1.2k dmg way too fast (all clippers are able to output obscene damage numbers way too fast) but the 57 is uniquely balanced in the fact that it can’t give chase to anything with even a modicum of top speed, can’t spot for itself (because it’s a heavy) and gets outspotted by anything (because it’s a heavy). You have to CHOOSE to get close to a T57 9/10 times you get clipped by it, or sit in front of it mindlessly. It’s not an autoreloader like the kran, so it has to clip people and can’t trade 1-1, it’s not speedy like the 50B which can just run down some mediums, and it can’t stay hidden like a 4005 can with camo net. It has literally NOTHING but “haha funny traverse speed” which also got nerfed last time they altered its stats. The T57 is a punish heavy, and while it’s frustrating getting mauled by one, most of the time it’s gonna be YOUR fault in the same way getting blasted by a 183 is almost always your fault for sitting in front of the worst TD in the game.

[carmine dome]

So are you still planning to shoot me on your front porch?

[mossy pollen]

What in the world are you talking about? This is a tank discussion channel bro what are you on and where can I get some

[fickle tinsel]

@mossy pollen buddy it has troll armor and you can dump 1200 in seconds

[carmine dome]

Jtag20, You are the one who said that to me in a very similar channel many years ago. 😿

[mossy pollen]

Still not as good as the kran, which has actually GOOD armor, mega speed to chase you down or roll up on you suddenly, better clip potential, and more accuracy which makes it better at camping than the 57. Everything you hate about the T57, the kran does better.

[carmine dome]

I agree completely. I think that the T57 Heavy deserves to be nerfed. However, I don't know why they are removing a shell from the TVP.

[mossy pollen]

If I did then I’d like to apologize, that was uncouth of me.

[carmine dome]

Thank you, Jtag20. I sincerely accept your apology.

[fickle tinsel]

3.5 seconds to dump 1200. the kran takes 5.5 seconds which is twice as long. the kran is also like one of the top tanks in the game so saying a tank doesn't deserve to be nerfed just because another overpowered tank needs a heavier nerf isn't really fair

that 1.5 second intra is especially crazy when u consider the ability to track enemy tanks.. kran can't do that nearly as easily w 2.7 seconds between shells

i think that + ap rather than apcr shells makes getting your full clip out w the t57 significantly easier

[mossy pollen]

If the only thing a tank has going for it is “haha I do damage fast” and everything else is garbage to prevent it from doing the funny thing repeatedly to great effect, it’s a bad tank. Who cares if the kran takes 2 seconds longer (5.5 seconds isn’t 7 second either so it’s not twice as long) it’s infinitely safer when it wants to clip you. The T57 NEEDS the low exposure time BECAUSE the armor is so god-awful for a heavy tank

[fickle tinsel]

If you are in a situation where you can take advantage of your turret armor. Otherwise you have longer exposure time on top of taking longer to get your clip potential out

And I do think the kran is better ofc just that you're inflating how bad the t57 is when it comes to getting out damage lol

[mossy pollen]

And if you are in a situation where you can’t, you can just press a button and suddenly go nearly 30 in reverse. What’s a 57 supposed to do? Leave? Lmao

[mossy pollen]

I think that’s the only good thing about the tank. Why are we trying to make it bad at the only thing it’s good at?

[fickle tinsel]

this sounds like a mistake that would come from playing it like a kran

[mossy pollen]

This sounds like a mistake in any tank. NEVER sit in the middle of an open field.

[fickle tinsel]

the situation you're describing sounds like something you'd run into playing it outside its intended role

[carmine dome]

Sprint has the better takes.

[mossy pollen]

If you want to push up on someone because you HAVE to, ie your flank is melting and you need to make a play, the T57 doesn’t get the option to run into the opponent quickly or back out and kite the enemy effectively

[fickle tinsel]

like yeah obviously it can't reverse as easy and it's not impossible to have that happen but that situation just should not arise as frequently as you seem to imply with proper play

like i can conjure any number of situations unoptimal for specific tanks

[mossy pollen]

Proper play is gonna look like camping in a bush or preaiming a corner in a city environment. The kran doesn’t have to do those things. The fact the T57 has to play like an aggro TD for over half the match is not indicative of its class.

[fickle tinsel]

you're right it doesn't. i told you i think the kran is better. doesn't mean the t57 cannot make plays though

[mossy pollen]

I never said it couldn’t, but that it outright sucks at doing it

[fickle tinsel]

and be effective in doing so. it remains a heavy w heavy hp, good accuracy, and 1200 clip potential that can be dumped in 2.7 seconds with objectively troll armor lol

[mossy pollen]

I don’t understand what about the 57’s armor is “troll”

If a 57 is pushing an alleyway and has no cover, the armor is objectively bad

We’re not talking troll like 116 armor where half the “grey” areas are autobounces

[fickle tinsel]

it's "troll" because it has red areas within the reticle of most tanks

[mossy pollen]

Not if you just… let the gun aim? Like a normal person?

[fickle tinsel]

So you're going to sit exposed and aim while getting dumped for 1200? Rather than shoot while reversing into cover?

[mossy pollen]

That’s just wrong lol the Ho-Ri bounces more than a 183 or 57 ever could COMBINED

[mossy pollen]

If I’m holding a position and the 57 has to shoot while moving? Yeah, what’s he gonna do after clipping out? Reverse back into cover? Kill me on his insanely long reload timer? No, he’s boned.

[fickle tinsel]

again assuming the t57 is playing like a moron while you're playing better

[twin egret]

kran relies on speed boost unlike the T57. T57 has mobility that's better than the kran, for the whole duration of the battle. T57 has AP standard, kran doesn't. T57 has better HEAT pen. T57 has better dispersion after firing. T57 only takes 21 seconds to reload all its shells afterwards, while kran needs around 28. Both have similar gun depression, kran has -9 but T57 has -8. T57 has troll turret, and for most tanks, it's a risky shot at whether or not their standard shell penetrates the armor or not. Yes, they can shoot premium rounds to guarantee a pen, but players are usually reluctant to shoot premium rounds at grey spots on a tank.

[mossy pollen]

No, he could be a top player and it wouldn’t matter, because A. Defender’s advantage, and B. The T57 can’t close the distance in a meaningful way to actually threaten me because of how ungodly slow it is for how little armor it is

[mossy pollen]

I am not afraid to shoot gold rounds at armor profiles that are 50% red to my standard rounds. The fact players are scared of penetrating shots boggles my mind and explains why some people have 40% WRs.

[fickle tinsel]

having players default to gold against you is an advantage btw.. further increasing the damage differential potential in an engagement

[mossy pollen]

Having people default to HE is an advantage the kran has, which is because it can do everything the 57 can and it’s still not even close to the most broken tank in the game rn

I don’t understand why WG is rebalancing a perfectly fine heavy tank that leans into a punish-the-enemy-for-mistakes gameplan and BUFFING the kranvagn by giving it back AP for zero reason

Just because it’s a good tank doesn’t mean it’s 116 levels of OP because that thing is in a genuine league of it’s own

No, it’s a good tank. The reactive just gives it more forward reach than it should have, and that’s why it’s OP right now. It’s still gonna be a great tank without reactive, but the reactive is what lets it do stupid stuff

[twin egret]

only instances where kran is better than the t57 is in comp and in a good players hands tbh

[mossy pollen]

And honestly camping with a 116 is perfectly viable as well. Nobody is gonna reliably pen you in pubs at range in that thing.

[mossy pollen]

Wrong, kran is a better damage farmer because it can trade without taking damage, and doesn’t need to go on long reloads if it doesn’t want to clip out. It’s just the objectively superior tank.

[twin egret]

116 is pretty good idk why you're saying it's mid

[twin egret]

only happens when you know where to position the tank anyways, the T57 can just about get away with less punishment usually

[mossy pollen]

Autoreloaders are nuts by design. You’re a clipper that gets to dictate how you trade with someone, whether it’s by max dump the clip, or farming someone with max dpm if they can’t fight back

[clear shuttle]

the 116 will still be good after they remove the cope provisions and consumable considering it has decent armour and a clip

[mossy pollen]

I agree, but I do think the 116 is gonna have a very specific niche: crazy frontal armor clipper, the rino and kran lack the hull armor to just mindlessly drive at people like the 116 can

[twin egret]

leopard 1 has low wr but good players know it's an amazing tank lol

[mystic nova]

dude lucifer is best player i know, dont beef with him

[mossy pollen]

So many tanks have low WR but are crazy good, but they are played by bad players that don’t reach the tank’s skill floor. The 116 is one of them believe it or not. Autoreloaders do still take some finesse with understanding how to optimize your punish game.

[clear shuttle]

where did you get this from

[mossy pollen]

His rear, obviously

It’s only got about 2mm of armor so it wasn’t hard to reach in there

[mystic nova]

he’s a great player, idk i trust him!

[clear shuttle]

i found where he got it from nvm

is blitz analysis still used for wr and relative wr etc

[twin egret]

116's for noobs?

[clear shuttle]

so wheres this 51% you were talking about

[twin egret]

lol

[mossy pollen]

Lmao, even

[clear shuttle]

not the inaccurate ahh website that people use to stalk other peoples 30d stats

[mossy pollen]

LOL

[twin egret]

i mean that's just wr and the 3 tanks above and below have similar wr indicating nothing much about if they're bad or good players (not to mention it lists that it only has 107 players vs the 10,000 users the other tanks have)

[mossy pollen]

So you admit your number is probably inaccurate

[twin egret]

I like how you conveniently hid the 116 lol

[mossy pollen]

Lmao no way fr?

[twin egret]

"me want tank to stay strong and powerful and no fun for other player to fight against grrr"
"no pls no nerf"

[mossy pollen]

“Ah yes, I hid the statistic to lie by omission but it doesn’t matter because the number is meaningless anyways”

[twin egret]

116 has been shown to be consistantly high wr...

[mossy pollen]

Shame you couldn’t bring yourself to show the important stat in question we all wanted to see because we’re all talking about it, huh?

Because it isn’t getting nerfed enough? Not the first time they nerfed a tank and it was still meta dominant (cough T-100 cough)

[twin egret]

would make sense why the numbers seem inflated on other websites, it's taking into account the amount of accounts that just have like 2 or4 battles in them with like 66% or 80% wr as a result lol

but you said the 116 was bad a while ago

[mossy pollen]

Oh no he farms pubbies harder than I can because he spends more time playing the game! What will I ever do? My entire argument is in shambles now that I know how many games he’s played in the most OP tank in the game right now!

[clear shuttle]

alot of people uses blitz analysis, when i was still active alot of people told me to use blitz analysis because it was more accurate for tank stats such as wr and relative wr over blitz stars, maybe times have changed idk 🤷‍♀️

[twin egret]

oh well you said it's mid, now you say it's good

low player count tends to give you easy aces tbh

[clear shuttle]

well not really when tanks like the c1b and 907 used to print aces almost every game

[mossy pollen]

Oh and sure you do bud, go ace it at least another 700 times.

[twin egret]

you mean when they were first initially released

[clear shuttle]

that and a little after, before they started selling the tanks a few months later etc

[exotic cobalt]

Dang t8 cant even get 7k max dmg in 45k battels

[twin egret]

that doesn't have to do with anything but okay

[mossy pollen]

Idk why that shows as my max, my record is a 9k game on desert sands

[twin egret]

I meant the number of aces obtained bruh

[exotic cobalt]

Screenshot?

[clear shuttle]

6 point... 7???

[mossy pollen]

Lemme get the youtube video of the replay

[exotic cobalt]

Alr broski

[upper star]

Omg omg is jtag20
Big fan 😀

[exotic cobalt]

Typical apac server so ez to get 7k

[mossy pollen]

https://youtu.be/KLODvnN_0Rg?si=Vx2u5zfT7-q2n3Nr

Just for the haters, lol

[upper star]

T57 prime days

[mossy pollen]

Fr, back when the IS-4 was the scariest thing

[exotic cobalt]

New meta after changes ?

[sudden island]

wait I just realised that T57 will have 375 alpha (3 shells) and meanwhile 50b will have 410 alpha (3 shells)

one is armored tank, another can get HE to the side. both 3 shells clipper..

[mossy pollen]

Oh 100%

[exotic cobalt]

Wz121
Is4
Hori
50b
S.conq
Are new meta for tour ig

[mossy pollen]

Kran as well

[sudden island]

u think rhm can replace bc or LT on light tank department in tourney?

[mossy pollen]

140 might also be meta, 3.8k with rammer is ABSURD

[exotic cobalt]

Rhm is goated no doubt t100lt is trash after changes

[fervent grove]

guys i think we should listen to jtag on this one, hes very wise

[mossy pollen]

Rhm will be meta, no other light will come close. It’s gonna be a T-100 with reactive, mega speed, tungsten, and reticle.

[sudden island]

but with no troll armor tho. hulldown gameplay then

[exotic cobalt]

Man 268/4 mabey some type of meta agints t16s📉

[mossy pollen]

Don’t need troll armor to be absolutely ballin’

[fervent grove]

@ivory quiver what would infernus say about all this

[mossy pollen]

Lemmy shut up

[sudden island]

that troll armor and low profile that makes Lt OP

[exotic cobalt]

What do yall think of 30b turning op ? Like in pubs

[mossy pollen]

Lol not even close to what makes it so dominant. It’s got more DPM than most mediums, and has the benefit of being a light tank. That’s why it’s busted. You’re a 140 on crack that can’t be seen at range

[fervent grove]

i think we need to buff the lion more, then the game will be better

[mossy pollen]

To be fair though, the low profile definitely benefits it, but it’s not the sole reason it’s absolutely busted rn

[exotic cobalt]

Bruh wg should make vk90 meta is so bad for comp rn but its has so much potential

[twin egret]

rly it's the tracer shells tbh

[sudden island]

been saying this for years, at one point people even use 777

[exotic cobalt]

Nah 777 is just bad by its self…
If they want to make the tank better they would have to buff hatch ammor add reacitve and make the gun better

[merry sorrel]

The frontal armor of the E100 should be improved, it is very annoying not being able to see the enemy because the APCs penetrate, perhaps 280 mm as in WOT PC or 290 mm which when inclined would be equivalent to 310 or 320 mm of effective armor, and with the 3% armor improvement it would have 318 or 328 mm of armor, only the most powerful tank destroyers could pierce it.

[mossy pollen]

Nah, the rhm has tracer shells and that doesn’t make it OP. But giving it 3.5k dpm next update? That sure will LOL

[sudden island]

kinda agree, but what I hate the most is the armor. I can deal with the dpm. super low profile and that tracer mechanic jeez. WG left the soviet biased thing with this tank

[fervent grove]

this is very uncouth

[exotic cobalt]

Vk90 can side scrape. Goat for gun blocking . Vk90 mainly just to slow and not enough dpm not good for current meta

[mossy pollen]

Honestly, it being annoying with tracer and low profile + camo is fine. My problem is that it’s annoying every four seconds with adrenaline and gun rammer, and that’s a bit excessive for a light tank even if the alpha is low. It’s trading alpha for tracer rounds anyways, so what’s the point of giving it a crazy OP reload?

No light tank should be able to sit in front of a medium and be able to reliably out-shoot it with relative ease.

[exotic cobalt]

140 just a better t100 at this point

[mossy pollen]

In the next update it will be, but def not rn. T-100 DPM is getting gutted (rightfully so) and the 140 is getting another reload buff. Might as well give the 140 a 30-round autoloader at this point with a 3 second intraclip lmao

[exotic cobalt]

Im using next update pov to look at things rn

[sudden island]

tracer shell is a busted mechanic.
WG should not give tracer shell to tanks high rof/dpm. even that so, the shell should only works with premium ammo only. imagine map like canal, i saw a guy camping in their 907/LT and keep the entier enemy team spotted buy just shooting standard round for cheap price

[mossy pollen]

Ah IC, wasn’t sure which version you were talking about

[haughty jasper]

jtag is 40% don’t listen to him

[fervent grove]

ayo

[exotic cobalt]

Yea yea makes sense… wasnt clear..
Any tips for how to make new meta strats for next update btw

[mossy pollen]

I mean, I have no issue with tracer rounds. Locking the enemy in place by keeping them permanently lit because they can’t count to 20 when behind cover is an unreal skill issue on the part of the guy getting shot.

[sudden island]

The worst part about all of the light tanks are they HP. they have similar HP to mediums. lol.
not sure with WOT pc has the same thing.
Light tank should have like 1500 - 1650 hp only

[haughty jasper]

bro you don’t even play blitz

[twin egret]

fair yeah, but tracer shells give a huge advantage

[haughty jasper]

the real meta tank will be the tvp again

[mossy pollen]

Same way you should always make strats. Find your backbone tank, and then surround them with support tanks in an attempt to create a flexible lineup with enough brute force to fight head on in localized areas is key. That gives you short-term and long-term options

[fervent grove]

hi alopecoid i havent seen that name in a long time

[haughty jasper]

tvp is getting a reload and alpha damage buff

[exotic cobalt]

Yes bro ik how to make strats is just the current updated tanks im looking at are just cringe
Like is gonna be 2 50bs 2 horis and 3 121s

[sudden island]

it is busted lmao. in case u are forgetting that this game is Blitz. it is designed to be fast paced unliked wotPC. game was normal before this tracer shell mechanic introduced. to make it balance, just make prammo the tracer shell..

[mossy pollen]

Oh I agree, tracer rounds are super obnoxious. But, if the tank using them isn’t blatantly overtuned, it’s just obnoxious, not oppressive. WG is about to find that out the hard way when the RHM becomes meta and is still just as oppressive as the T-100 on most maps.

[haughty jasper]

@mossy pollen what do you think about the t110e3 getting 2 more tracks

rhm is bad

[mossy pollen]

I would use sconqs and krans to make bunkerish strats if you’re worried about hypermobility. The lighter the lineup, the weaker it is at breaking a bunker.

[mossy pollen]

I disagree. It’s a great asset for your team, but that goes both ways if both teams have access to it. Tanks that have them aren’t OP, tanks that are OP and have them simply have them. The RHM isn’t an issue right now, because it’s not overtuned despite having tracers. The T-100 is because it has stats way above its class.

[fervent grove]

@haughty jasper lowkey i think the 183 might be meta, the fact that its getting a top speed of 83 km/h and 5k dpm gonna make it cracked

[twin egret]

i think it's cuz it's on a pea shooter tank for the most part (that makes it obnoxious)

[exotic cobalt]

4005 with new gun on portbay would hit hard🥶

[twin egret]

if tracer shells were on something with a much longer reload it would have less of an influence imo

[mossy pollen]

I mean, if the firepower was bad it wouldn’t matter. But it can keep you lit AND farm you fast. If it had bad DPM, you’d have to pair it with something else to be useful to farm someone out with ease, which is a greater commitment of resource.

[primal yacht]

✅ topg9534 was banned.

[uncut gyro]

Since the Obj. 907 is in the store rn, I'm thinking of getting it cuz I've wanted it for some time now. However, I wanted to know if it'd still be good when the rebalance comes along in December. Can anyone help me out please?

[celest light]

Saw the reblance tanks in the latest YT video.
Would like to ask are the rest of the changes scrapped? or are they just getting more time and adjustments until players agree with them?

[narrow terrace]

Nothing is scrapped

[narrow terrace]

Not worth playing since the rebalance 2024 a year ago. Before that it was my favourite medium.

[hallow nebula]

They just mentioned a few examples

There’s no time for the complete list

[primal yacht]

✅ alt_forgot was muted.

✅ 67_kid_is_my_daddy has been warned.

[brave dragon]

A kind reminder that this channel is about tank balance.
Keep it on topic AND civil, please.

[celest light]

wait you sure? so the double shot fv4005 is changed as is??

[narrow terrace]

Guess so

[lilac crest]

How I suppose to win against sup con?

That tank have a lot of advantage reactive armor while armor still great

[celest light]

depends tank and situation you're in. super conq's gun is a little derpy and it dosent have the highest dpm.

so if you're talking about a 1v1, Use a kran, bait his reactive, use speed boost to back up and wait it out, then just use the dpm and clip to kill him.

Or chieftain, HESH ignores reactive, conq's lower plate also weak pennable, you win way ahead in dpm

[lilac crest]

Even that doesn't have high dmp but still Fast

[celest light]

i guess

[lilac crest]

I use e5 vk72 is-4 but the problem is the damn reactive armor

[celest light]

but its just not op cause how the meta is.

type71 gets a similar gun, but way stronger hull for the price of a small cupola thats not even a weak spot

[celest light]

oof, well you'll just have to bait him to use it and then wait it out. Is4 losing to super conq only proves that its inferier, not that sup conq is op.

vk72 also, its only decent, it will struggle against super conq hull down, you'll have to push him and try to just trade, its winnable if you face hug well.

E5 is good, but you need to know how to gun block. You can just run calibrated shells and aim down up the conq's upper plate and pen it.

Super conq is in like the strong category, its not as op yet, cause its gun holds it back.

[manic meadow]

I think E5 have a wonderful improvement to the DPM,turning speed,and HP.

They were all once key shortcomings of this tank.

[lilac crest]

@celest light I try to use 60Tp gun block but it keep fire through my gun

[celest light]

ah yeah, thats cause unlike e5, 60tp's upper plate is not strong enough, the apcr has enough pen to go through it even with the combined thickness the barrel gives.

[lilac crest]

Omg TYPE 71 IS WORK AGAINST SUP CONQ@celest light

[celest light]

oh you really doing 1v1s?

[lilac crest]

Mhmp! My skill has been gone after I've been in the army I want to regain them

[celest light]

hope for the best for you. glad you find that type71 works.

[lilac crest]

I also find that 50B used to troll some heavy by using speed and clip gun on them

[celest light]

great

[lilac crest]

But I must train myself more I'm not better on aiming again small target like e5 cheek or s.conq cupola from long distance....I know I can use HE IF I PLAY High caliber gun but some player say use He = nub...

[celest light]

HE is normal they just salty, Its the same people complaining about you using gold shells yet themselves spamming tanks like vk90

[lilac crest]

Mhmp!

[uncut gyro]

Oh? What would you say has become worse about it? Cuz I've heard a lot of people say it's still a good tank. But I'm not sure cuz I have 17k gold and I was wondering if I should spend it on the 907 now or wait for something else to come along.

[fickle tinsel]

should've gotten the super conq idk if it's still on sale or gone now

[heavy rock]

It's gone

[uncut gyro]

I already have the S. Conq man. It's awesome. But I had my eye on the 907 thats why I asked

[fickle tinsel]

brutal

[heavy rock]

Do u have vk90?

[uncut gyro]

Yup. Probably my most played heavy.

[fickle tinsel]

907 is good but honestly might want to wait since it might be more mid after the buffs to other meds

[heavy rock]

Ohh ig wait for other good tier 10

[uncut gyro]

Hmm. I had a feeling that might be the case. Thanks for the advice!

[fickle tinsel]

especially cause 907 is getting nerfed it looks like apcr is brutal

[heavy rock]

Same fate as leo1

[uncut gyro]

I HATE apcr

[heavy rock]

Apcr is one of the worst she'll type in this game

[uncut gyro]

couldn't agree more. Imo it's the worst.

[heavy rock]

Welp I shouldn't have gambled alot

[uncut gyro]

Ikr. Oh, the urge I have to buy the collect em all containers rn

[heavy rock]

I've had tanks that are good on this day but I pushed way tooo far just to get vk90 p but I still I didn't get the vk90 til this day it's been like 4 years of trying to get that tank it has been my dream tank ever since I fought that tank in e100

[heavy rock]

Btw I got 2 tanks out of 5 containers

And they are mid ones free and other ones just mid

Wg should bring back mystery boxes

I need to finish the charm

[uncut gyro]

The VK 90.01 is my absolute fav tank cuz I excel at side-scraping and angling. I enjoyed the hell out of the Tiger II and the E75 back in the day and so I wanted the VK 90 for so long. Finally I got it 6 months back.

[heavy rock]

Wait you sold it b4?

[uncut gyro]

Oh nice! My luck hasn't been the best with the collect em all containers thats why I'm hesitating rn

[heavy rock]

Bro

[uncut gyro]

No I didn't. I said I finally got the tank 6 months ago.

[heavy rock]

The 3x crate is a scam just buy it 1 at a time

That's why I got 2 tanks from it

[uncut gyro]

Hmm. I might get 1 container. Let's see what happens lol

[heavy rock]

Can you add my acc bro

[open lake]

Buff gsor fearless

[opal adder]

Reactive armor for the maus and e100

[fickle tinsel]

i just gave t57 a drive at 6200 rating and it's still as good as i remember

wait for enemy team to volley on a teammate and it's easily clip dump.. and i can definitely feel the massive difference the 1.5 second intra makes

enemy concept slightly overextended and i had the entire clip dumped into his lower plate.. kran i wouldve gotten a shot off, maybe 2 but definitely not 3 without overextending in front of their full team

dpm on t57 feels way better too, kran having similar dpm on paper is so deceptive because you're so often dumping multiple shots and eating that dpm loss

i still think kran is better but this reaffirms my earlier statements about you underestimating how good the t57 is

[mossy pollen]

I’m not underestimating how good it is, but the issue is that they are nerfing the ONLY THING it is good at

[scenic pelican]

I think the t57 should have 250 alpha 1 second intra clip and a 12 second clip reload

[manic meadow]

what the F 1357 in heavy tank？

[hushed token]

3 secs for 1000 dmg and only 12 secs of total reload ? Yoh's 105mm gun will lose its job lmao

[clear shuttle]

good

[deft echo]

unpopular opinion: buff seasonal tanks, especially the oldest.
that's it 🙌😶

[full chasm]

They should debuff the AT tanks

[clear nebula]

If this is true then I can't wait to play that tank again. I loved the event back then.

[tender garnet]

Devs, please give “Rammer” rammer rig ability instead of Battle Coordination on mad games. I mean, this tank is literally called Rammer, but it can’t even ram properly. Tbh, there’s nothing special about this tank except for its looks:(

[dawn walrus]

True

[civic perch]

The old is4 gonna be kinda back?

[deft echo]

as what they said, yeah.

[quartz echo]

Kpz 70 Calvary should be tier 10 tbh

[cursive minnow]

kinda funny that you say that

[obtuse rover]

I have news for you

[open lake]

Buff gsor fearless

[quartz echo]

Can we fix the Amx 50B armor

A small ram= 177 Dmg from Leopard a weak armored tank, I think we need to buff Amx 50B a Bit more.

Amx 50B is just like Kravangan turret only is armored rest is garbage, it's like they just snatched some tanks designs and copied it for another tank and renaming it and giving it better armor or different damages, that's what I think they do, but buff AMX 50B, Devs don't look here anyways

Also like Magnate and New Tank Biter

[glad flower]

Isnt leopard equipped with the ramming ability?

[wicked quest]

In mad games yes, it’s also one of the heaviest mediums

[glad flower]

Yea

He uses an example of getting rammed by a leopard/ramming a leopard in mad games

Also leo is like what? 40 tons? At least in wot, not sure about blitz, dont play the game whatsoever

[jolly dune]

bro you were running mad games, Leopard 1 has Ramming Rig which buff its ramming damage to 75% extra and 30% reduction if I'm not mistaken

That's why you took 177 damage from a slight ram to a Leopard 🥀

[tender garnet]

No, it's +65% ram damage and -70% damage received from ramming....

[jolly dune]

I see, thank you

[strange reef]

Could the biter get the same equipment the Type 71 has? because right now, its gun depression ruins the whole thing. the option for some gun depression would make it somewhat decent, imo

[tender garnet]

Nope, its clip is already annoying asf to play against. 6 deg of gun depression is already more than enough for this tank.

[strange reef]

not really. the pen is pretty bad

[tender garnet]

750 dmg auto re-loading clip with 1.5 sec intra clip isn't enough for you? You want more gun depression, more pen... others

[strange reef]

its not a great tank in the average players hands.

[hushed token]

Leopard 1 is also not a great tank in average players hands so you say it should get more buff ? . If the tank is not good in average players hands then don't become average players and get better

[strange reef]

leo1 is getting a buff so whats the point of that arguement?

[clever inlet]

🔥

[heavy rock]

Do y'all know tanks that can counter vk90????

[regal rampart]

Give CDC Tracer shells .mechanism since the tank is just being supportive in battle

[dusk willow]

Dracula levels of speed, i think that suits it better than tracers

[regal rampart]

But it has no armor, just like dracula too.
Also it makes no sense if CDC has adaptive concealment...

[nimble zodiac]

Who mentioned adaptive concealment

[dusk willow]

i mustve sold my CDC so i cant see but it got adative concealment? i mean the Leopard 1 does as well so its not like its limited to lights

[regal rampart]

Sorry, i supposed to say IF they give CDC adaptive concealment

[dusk willow]

that makes more sense lol. i just dont think tanks need to rely on mechanics or gimmick consumables, but genuine buffs to their characteristics. more speed, better on move dispersion and a slight dpm buff would better fit the CDC into the game

[regal rampart]

But it does have enough speed, but having Tracer shell on CDC is better for it's roles

[dusk willow]

isnt it hard capped at 55? for a tank that looks like it could go faster, it should. at least 60-65

[regal rampart]

Since CDC got 5.1 to 5.5 sec reload time, it can tagged multiple enemies with tracer quickly to support teammates to be able to locate enemies

[dusk willow]

but wouldnt that be more suited for a light tank? i know the 907 has tracers too, but my point is is that mediums should be the DPM supports while lights are spotting, tracer shells included because it prolongs spotting duration.

[regal rampart]

Very well then
Also i am curious why Type 59 was given adaptive concealment in the 1st place?
It's a MT but it's not a long range supportive tank

[dusk willow]

its not a very good tank either as its been long since power-crept. and its not long range either the gun isnt consistent enough for that. it was originally a fantastic brawler/hulldown medium like the t-54

[still owl]

/stats

[languid hound]

Anyone knows where I can read about all the tier 10 balance changes?

My bad. I got it

[thick junco]

Make Churchill W an auto loader like Pentera

[manic flint]

why not just added 4005 1 shot like we got 183

[unique scaffold]

So you want two tanks with 183 gun, that you aim with and most of the time miss. Bro 💀 probably not many people would like that

Anyways make foch amazing again, bring back 640 alpha per shot

[jolly dune]

everyone would just play FV4005 instead of FV215b (183) at the moment it got released

anyways where's my Strv K's HEAT premium ammo and Improved Engine Power Boost WG 🗿

[tulip fog]

yes fv4005 like pc just more fun:)

[idle fern]

Buff bz 75 150mm pen pls

[scenic pelican]

Most tier 10s nowadays

[honest gale]

Polish tds need a frontal weakness other than ridiculously small lower plate they can easily hide or a damage nerf and less rotation speed as they do too much damage per shot for something that's impossible to pen front on when hull plate is hidden and turn too quickly.

[honest gale]

You mean make it broken again and require less skill to play? The entire way tanks are "balanced" in blitz is stupid. Unbalancing tanks on purpose to create meta tanks and weak trash tanks is dumb. The game would be significantly more fun and people would play tanks they like as opposed to playing what's current meta. We'd see a much better variety of tanks in battles and you won't feel like you wasted your time and resources like when you get a trash tank after investing time into grinding lines

[unborn gorge]

Stats from past month

These are the worst tanks, and i think the only tech tree tank from here which is bad is Jgpz E100

[sour moon]

Good evening. Could you check the situation with the Lowe? All the heavy classics have already received updates to avoid becoming obsolete, except for the Lowe. I really like it, but it's becoming unplayable with so many tanks that are much better than it.

The IS6 and T34 have already received updates. Even the IS3 Defender. Only the Lowe has not.

[unborn gorge]

Compared to tier 8 HT

Source: BlitzKit

[sour moon]

Yes

[unborn gorge]

We can only hope for a buff 🙏

[sour moon]

Yes, bud 🙏 🙏 🙏

Still on tier 8, I believe the Skoda 56 deserves at least a reticle calibration, just like its direct rival, the Type 57.

[unborn gorge]

They are really close, but Skoda has much better WR. WG should first buff tech tree TNH, or even better all czech heavies

[sour moon]

Now regarding the change of the KPZ 70 to tier X, I would suggest boosting its alpha and, especially, the alpha of its HE. What makes it stand out in tier IX is precisely its mobility and high alpha for the tier. If it goes to tier X with only the changes mentioned by the developers, it will just be another mediocre tank in tier X.

[sour moon]

Yes, bud. U have a point 🥲

[paper root]

Pro.

[honest gale]

Lower winrate doesn't necessarily indicate if a tank is good or bad look at the FV215B 183 it has 113k plays the law of averages when you likely have more players around the 30-50% wr ingame compared to players at 60-70% wr means even a great tank if played by many players could end up with a low winrate. What needs to be highlighted is why some tanks have a very high amount of plays compared to others and that's usually because they are unbalanced everyone wants to win so will go with what takes the least skill to win or is overpowered compared to most in its tier to increase chances of wins. CS 63 has low plays due to many t10 meds being easier to play or simply being more powerful like the absolutely busted E50 M or carro and progetto tanks having a ridiculous amount of damage output.

[unborn gorge]

CS has better average damage than E50M and Progetto, but i understand

[honest gale]

Certain tanks usually the less popular non meta are often played by more skilled players I'd guess due to more noobs and lower wr players using meta tanks more than less popular ones. Don't get me wrong Cs 63 is actually a incredible tank I have it and I love it but it does suffer alot of weaknesses and requires alot more thought to play than some other t10 meds

The progetto has around 400% more plays than cs63 so you'd expect lower average damage across that many games and player skill ranges

[upper knot]

You might be interested in what BlitzAnalysiz.com says about it. There's some player wr data included for some of the their stats.
https://blitzanalysiz.com/update/11.12/10/tank-destroyers/

[unborn gorge]

Tbh tier X is rather well balanced compared to idk tier VII and VIII.

[honest gale]

I will have a look at this sometime. I've just noticed that some tanks are alot more powerful and therfore more popular. Like the E50 M takes alot less skill to play than most t10 meds due to having insane armour for a med and solid speed,maneuverability and dpm. 2 equally skilled players 1 in E50 M and other using a CS 63 for example the CS63 will get bullied in a 1v1 situation as the E50M can bully most heavies too

As I was told by support before when I questioned certain tanks. "All tanks have their own strengths as weakness" and according to wargaming some tanks aren't supposed to stand out as significantly better than others but unfortunately that's not the case some tanks are almost all weakness while others are almost all strength

[honest gale]

Tier 7-8 imo are there for fun there's so many weird and strange tanks in those tiers would also make it difficult to balance. But tech line tanks shouldn't feel worlds apart against other tank lines in the same tier in terms of performance. Idk if you've played the BZ75 line but until tier 9 it's absolutely trash. The Japanese STB med line have virtually no armour and their speed and maneuverability or dpm don't compensate for that when you have tanks in same tier with similar speed and maneuverability and dpm with significantly more armor

The progetto 65 has a maximum potential damage of around 4.3k dpm and that's not taking into account the 2 extra shells if you add those it can output a max of around 4.7k dpm meanwhile the CS63 has a max dpm of around 3.3k that's a huge difference in tanks of the same tier.

[half onyx]

STB has great armor if you play it using its 11 degrees of gun depression

[honest gale]

STB compared to its predecessors in the line has great armour. You get the type 61 that has basically no armour and a huge weakness ontop of it and have to fight E50 Ms lol

[half onyx]

Yeah I was also never a fan of those, but I usually skip all the tanks I dont like with free xp

[honest gale]

The E50 M needs to be slower and have some form of weakness on its turret to be more balanced. I dont like how wargaming is nerfing it.. it just needs to be less maneuverable and have less speed and some weakness when Hull down to balance it better.

[honest gale]

But wheres the fun in that? We have to skip tanks because they suck compared to many others in their tiers. Would be much more fun to see a wider variety of tanks in matches that are all competitive within their respective tier as opposed to feeling like you're trying to fight tanks that should be 2 tiers above you but you're in the same tier.

[half onyx]

Its impossible to accurately balance every single tank. Every tank Was made for its purpose

[honest gale]

But personally I think the type 61 would be a incredible tank if it didn't have that massive lump on its turret since it had almost no turret armour as is having that weakness feels unnecessary

[half onyx]

It annoyed me a lot that the entire line did have atrocious gun Depression at the back

[hollow wind]

so, no. The Proggeto 65 has ~2.8k dpm firing just its best shell. The top one takes 4.38 seconds at best + the intraclip of 3 seconds before firing again.

the cs can get over 4k dpm with adrenaline and tungsten briefly, while still having higher base dpm

[honest gale]

Ignore that intraclip and do the math on its maximum potential dpm if only using its first shell

[hollow wind]

If you fire only shell 3, you are forced to reload the intraclip before firing the shell again, hence +3s

if you instead fire only the shell 1, that's worse.

[honest gale]

Ohk so your reload on only 1st shell is around 7.3 seconds?

[hollow wind]

Yup!

[honest gale]

Ok well then I was wrong I didn't realise that my apologies

[hollow wind]

No worries, all autoreloaders are the same in this.

[honest gale]

Ok I see I'm not a big fan of the autoloaders personally.

[solar cove]

Better turret rotation dispersion?

[odd remnant]

when your tank is adjusting aim (gun traverse)

[open lagoon]

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Hacked acc

[deft echo]

unpopular opinion 2: move all old bp tanks to tier VII, some could be in tier VIII

[meager dawn]

btw cs-63 has around 4.8 dpm with tungsten / adrenaline activated, if you manage your consumables well thats honestly crazy

[full storm]

Hold on? E50m is getting a nerf congrats guys e50m will officially be useless even tho it don’t need a nerf just play better

[fast trout]

Bruh this tank is strong enoguh it is not gona be balanced if

[terse beacon]

Holy ragebait 😭

[full storm]

Im serious tho? E50m I’ve played a lot of battles I haven’t seen any e50m if it’s so great why aren’t people using it?

[full storm]

So ur saying e50m is too op while carro 45 is out there roaming? It’s illogical

[fast trout]

E50m is strong maybe a movement nerf make it kinda like a heavy tank but why obj 268/4 geting a buff???

[full storm]

To make the battles insufferable and so more people buy the tank so wg can get money

[fast trout]

Well they can make a tank that insta kills all enemies but you can use it in only normal game and reload time 7min

[terse beacon]

Nice way to let everyone know you kind of don't know what you're talking about

[full storm]

Okay I personally own e50m it’s a great tank but u gotta take into consideration other premium OP tanks

If if e50m gets a nerf I doubt anyone will play me personally I’ll stop playing it cause it already received enough nerfs

[terse beacon]

E50m is literally the best medium in the game, what are you talking about "op premiums"

[full storm]

THATS why i own him? Carro? U must admit carro is far more OP

[terse beacon]

Carro is not op at all

[fast trout]

Ye E 50 m is the strongest medium but can anyone explain why is the obj 268/4geting s buff he is op enoguh

[full storm]

Well Germany has great engineering why blame Germany for being so intelligent

It’s strongest for a reason German engineering
Germans are smart enough

[fast trout]

What is next fav badger geting a reload buff by -6.5sec

[terse beacon]

Because it's not actually that good of a tank, it kills noobs haha but anyone half skilled deals with one extremely easily

[full storm]

Noob how, the armour is extremely angled? If u wiggle u could bounce all shots

[terse beacon]

V4 has very obvious weakspots that good players will exploit, they're not going to be bouncing. If you want a frontline td currently something like 113g is a lot nicer to play

[full storm]

I still disagree with e50m nerf it’s an awesome tank prob my fav tank I dislike the nerf if ur gonna nerf the armour Ay least keep the speed as less armour means less weight

[terse beacon]

E50m is still going to be very good, it most definitely needed the nerf

[full storm]

Fuh no go like vickers light, u light tank lover

[terse beacon]

Uhhh what? Haha

[potent oracle]

its not op at all,in fact its trash, easily one of the worst tanks jn the game

[barren goblet]

Yeah, e50m currently is terrible. It would struggle in tier 9 even

[potent oracle]

v4,not e50m

[heavy rock]

E50m is op fh with mts or anyway to defend it's weak spots

[scenic hazel]

Buddy a e50m platoon can clear most medium flank 💀

[honest gale]

What battles have you been playing? I see it in almost every match

The E50 M is the most played medium in the game right now and that's because its OP its basically a heavy tank with medium dpm no weakness when Hull down and very good speed and maneuverability.

[honest gale]

You are aware that the E50 M is a made up fictional tank that never existed in reality or even in blueprints right?

[desert relic]

sarcasm 😔

[ebon rock]

There were plans for the E50m, they were just never built

[open lake]

Buff gsor fearless

[wicked quest]

E50 only
The E50M is an implied modification

[clear shuttle]

the v4 is garbage

[unique scaffold]

They really need to buff the BT-7 Artillery

[obtuse rover]

Is it even possible to get a low tier game atp

[uncut relic]

Move T77 to teir 9, give it hp and hull armor buff.

[scarlet yarrow]

when will the Mystery Box draw come back?

[heavy rock]

It's better if it wasn't a draw just buy on shop

[manic flint]

bring 2 mystery boxes for 500 gold again

[ionic egret]

Day 1 of asking for an alpha and hull armour Buff for WZ-111-5A

[primal yacht]

✅ bennoix. was banned.

[open lake]

Buff gsor fearless

[unique scaffold]

Make bushes bigger and more of them in low meter radius in td spots, and buff light tanks camo so you can actually spot anything without unspotting ur self i mean something like wot pc gameplay

[calm cipher]

I was just starting a new tree until I met this Tank player, the problem is : this Tank needs a NERF asap, it basicly did 450 damage at T5!!! It reload speed seemed unbeatable and on top of that THE ARMOR is ALL RED, how is a tank like that allowed at T5?! ?! ?! ? HELLO?!

[cinder shard]

It's an autoloader and doesn't have the best armor on the sides and rear. Most other T5s can pen it through the turret and hull with premium ammo as well. The magazine holds 4 shots; after that, the tank has to reload for a little while. That's the right time to attack it if it doesn't have support.

Here is a website where you can check out the stats
https://blitzkit.app/tanks/medjay/

[grave vault]

I agree with you.

And Thunder definitely deserves a buff.

[barren goblet]

Medjay is best tier 5 tank. Only issue is its on slow side which is one area t1 heavy can be considered better.

[waxen geode]

What cannon do you guys use on the M41 Bulldog light tank? Autoloader or the last one?

[terse cairn]

<@&481447501690568709>
Ban him

[mystic nova]

how does the same scam keep happening

[terse cairn]

These are probably hacked accounts

[cinder shard]

Yep

[waxen roost]

if u ask me people under 2k avg dmg and under 50% wnr should not have the right to talk about balance changes.

its like a mechatronik juges a Chef cook lol.

its crazy what i read in this chat haha.

I think the changes are ok, sheridan is lil bit sus, same with jage100 and i do not know what wargaming is smoking because they do weird stuff with the Shell velocity but to be fair, outoloaders get nerved so well done wargaming.

[cinder shard]

The thing is that the devs also have to consider how capable a tank is for newer or less experienced players. If every tank is just balanced towards the needs of pro players, the average player gets left behind. Everyone can share constructive feedback, but at the end of the day, Wargaming chooses how to balance vehicles.

[twilit sage]

Nerf IS-5 look what it can do

[unique scaffold]

And we can all agree when wargaming chooses it almost never goes right

[unique scaffold]

Nah ask for buff to do a double, one isnt enough

[cinder shard]

I won't agree with that.
There might be some questionable things regarding balancing here and there, but I don't dislike most of these changes.

[unique scaffold]

So the fact they play with is4 every year is okay, it gets buffed it gets nerfed and it gets buffed again. So wait what was the point

[unique scaffold]

The armor will be back to the state that it used to be years ago, so why was it needed to be nerfed if they buffing it again

[cinder shard]

To try to change up the playstyle. I don't think the IS-4 is that bad of a vehicle right now, but the player base clearly preferred the old playstyle considering how little it is played these days.

[unique scaffold]

I mean yea newplayer didnt have a chance to see what is4 used to be and now they are happy that its getting a buff, but those who played years ago... makes no sense

[unique scaffold]

Yeah the is 4 is amazing i dont even care for the nerf that has happened. But why do wg play like that, different play style [10% at maximum of players changes the play style after the tank gets buffed or nerfed]

You get used to something and it goes away, you get used to the new version and it goes away again. Thats so much fun

No wonder why wg loses player base

[cinder shard]

The world keeps turning 🤷‍♂️

[unique scaffold]

And the turn rate never changes 💀

Atleast wargaming lately being generous about other things. That nice of them

[cinder shard]

Changing up a tank's playstyle isn't really a bad thing. I reckon they tried to make the IS-4 a better fit for the new role it was intended to fulfill with buffs over time. People still didn't care much because they liked the old version, so to get the IS-4 out of the popularity dip, they're trying to revive the original playstyle.

[unique scaffold]

Still dont understand how they can nerf a collector or premium that you bought for money it should be illegal

Players spend their money on something that gets worse overtime

[cinder shard]

Well, you buy the rights to use their property, not the "tank" itself. They generally refrain from nerfing mid-tier Premiums/collectors, but T10s get rebalanced in order to shift the meta. To be honest, I'd rather have a well-working system where every tank has an appeal and is good in its own regard, but oh well...

[unique scaffold]

Yeah anyways 116 meta is over, time to wait for something like bzt 70 that will cost hundreds again and will be nerfed 6 months after the release. Or many players will hate facing it a lot in the few first weeks and it will be gone like the atgm's lol

And i can tell you that type 5 hv will get some nerf but its velocity will be buffed, i just have this feeling 100%

Anyways gn. Wargaming is wargaming and they will do what they will have to do, thats how it works. We aint the creators of the game

[ashen copper]

Bzt was already nerfed and the type 5 is just a rolling meatball

[ionic egret]

Day 2 of asking for an alpha and hull armour Buff for WZ-111-5A

[mystic nova]

<@&481447501690568709>

[deft echo]

I don't think a blow like that could flip a tank

or was that just a questionable glitch

[lavish willow]

I the feel Ho-Ri T.I's armor is so easy to pen that once you're low health, you can only camp and wait for an enemy tank to come within your sight. And my Ho-Ri T.I is fully upgraded in equipments, modules and camo.

[unique scaffold]

They really have to buff the BT-7 artillery

[ionic egret]

they will change low tiers in reforged so don't worry about it

[unique scaffold]

Is it just me or in reforged you guys noticed that tech tree lines after unlocking with keys, require a level for certain tier tank, for me it looked like that it will be almost impossible to grind something

Because each level requires a huge amount of exp

[heavy rock]

I got is 6 from the free crate 0.2 chance I think

[unique scaffold]

And i got tog 2 💀

[primal yacht]

✅ avemariax was banned.

[rocky sentinel]

Uhh no, the thing is fine as it is.

Make 183 a collector and remove it from the tech tree. Nobody likes 183’s except the person who drives it. It’s a vehicle whose soul purpose is to ruin somebody’s enjoyment. And nerf everything’s DPM by 400, increase all autoloaders and auto reloaders introclip’s by 2 seconds. So turbo battles will be less of a problem, I hate it when anyone makes one play and dies instantly because of something having to much DPM and so much damage output.

[mystic nova]

get this guy a job at wg

[rocky sentinel]

It’s because I know how to play.

[velvet cove]

It's pretty rush & yolo based, the blitz meta

[unique scaffold]

183 is not op, give it an autoloader with the same alpha

[late sage]

Save for the 183 thing, I do agree on the "making games slower/less rushed" thing

[rocky sentinel]

We could also just stop overbuffing tanks and telling our player base “Hey have you ground insert tank? Well here are some of its strengths and weaknesses.” And get a 70+%er to provide a video on how to play the tank.

[fickle tinsel]

it makes sense to slightly overpower tanks upon release because that's how you generate hype. but they shouldn't be head and shoulders above anything else

similarly i understand the concept of having some slightly underpowered and cycling buffs and nerfs to keep things fresh

but it is obnoxious when they nerf a tank to oblivion or make something gamebreaking

[wicked quest]

I hate the current trend they just touch and screw thimgs up for the sake of changing things

[rocky sentinel]

Well if it’s OP I want to to at least be counterable. But hey the WZ121 is gonna be the new E50M, better and worse in some ways.

[barren goblet]

I dont see how tank with less armor and gun depression will be as good as e50m is now.

[fickle tinsel]

For sure. I prefer the slightly overcooked tanks to be more like e6 where you can at least reliable pen the turret rather than garbage like the peak wz113g with tomato armor on top of reactive or tvp back when any noob could just yolo tunnel you and clip dump 1300 before dying

where it at least takes a modicum of skill to take advantage of or is otherwise not game breaking/ or ruins the quality of the game when driven by poor players

[soft void]

The Sheridan is very annoying right now so something needs to be done to less annoying I mean by the time you spot it it's already shot you for like 560 and is gone before you can shot it lol

[wary saddle]

Been annoying since 2020

[soft void]

The next update their giving it tungsten is what I heard sure their gonna make it's reload 1 second longer but like It doesn't matter when its gone and not spotted and just nukes you again should I just get the Sheridan at this point lol

[ashen copper]

How to make every auto loader complete garbage

[clear shuttle]

give it a 105mm!!!1!1!1 it'll solve all the problems!!!1!1!1

[nimble storm]

Thats how it should be nobody she be able to peak and go un punished its how u learn to not make bad decisions

[ionic egret]

Day 3 of asking for an alpha and hull armour Buff for WZ-111-5A

[mighty vector]

Give Type 71's insane rotation back pls

[deft echo]

I guess make the ammorack of chieftain mk6 more durable?

[uneven turtle]

Um. No

[wicked quest]

PLEASE
stop TRYING to change the equipment for gods sake

[mental haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/808277368832786447/1433409152230621244/caption.gif

[tranquil willow]

I can see a lot of people won't be using the AMX 50B now the reactive armor is going away.

[limber timber]

I just buy the s.con brah

[ionic egret]

sconq is still going to be very good

[mental haven]

who cares reactive outside of comp

[meager dawn]

dont worry sconq will still be amazing, reactive just made it stronger

[dull hare]

I suggest upgrading the STB-1. I think it should increase its reload speed by 0.5-0.8.Second

[wicked quest]

I too want my tank to have more time to reload as a buff

[clear shuttle]

wdym

[ember wedge]

please remove reactive from hori and keep the hp consumable, tank will be perfectly balanced that way.

[still orchid]

is hori literally the only strong tank with reactive now? and i think super conqueror is super strong anyways so it has no effect. and why t57 is now better than before? literally autoloader with 3k dpm and better armor than before xd

[flat zephyr]

it's still losing the damage

[still orchid]

yeah but like 1125 instead of 1200 isnt such a big deal man, especialy with more overall damage per minute and better armor

[meager dawn]

t57 is still going to be slower btw

[flat zephyr]

well I think you didn't play when t57 was an absolute menace, it had the dpm, the burst and the armor

[fierce gull]

Real R1S3 player?

[still orchid]

but that isnt even supposed to be like this. this tank is still very good and now its kind of better.

[flat zephyr]

it isn't really good right now, it is ok at best

[still orchid]

where exactly isnt it good? in comp only?

dont forget there are tons of tier 10s worse than t57.

[flat zephyr]

no in gameplay, it isn't fast, it doesn't have any armor, its reload time is massive. the tank is not fun

[flat zephyr]

it is the worst performing autoloader in tier 10 heavies

[upbeat kiln]

Pretty sure the T57 gets mogged by the 50 B or something which means it gets beaten by a French tank that looks like a Frenchie T57 but has 0mm of armour all around

[flat zephyr]

statistically, they perform the same by players, which means a yolo wagon with 0 armor and French aim, is performing the same as once the menace of tier 10

[upbeat kiln]

Really shouldn't have removed reactive from 50 B it didn't deserve that 🥀

[still orchid]

well but the problem of these autoloaders is that there are just overpowered tanks like kranvagn... its not like t57 isnt better than majority of tier 10 tanks at getting damage

[flat zephyr]

name 5 worst tier 10 heavies in your opinion and I go check them statistically

[upbeat kiln]

E 100

You only said tier 10 heavies

[still orchid]

any superheavy besides vk 90

[flat zephyr]

so maus, e100, 60tp, vk72 and 114?

[upbeat kiln]

114 is a tier 9 how have we forgotten this 🥀

[still orchid]

is 60 tp classified a superheavy?

[flat zephyr]

114sp2

[lethal cliff]

Where can I see the balance changes?😭

[upbeat kiln]

Fair enough

[flat zephyr]

used to, I can replace it with type 5

[cinder shard]

#balance-changes

[still orchid]

type 5 is worse even vz55 can be considered as worse tank, due to slower clip and less damage

[upbeat kiln]

2-shell tanks are like unbelievably goated though

[still orchid]

bz75 really depends on a lot of factors so i cant say if its worse than t57 or better

[flat zephyr]

this is the mentioned tanks performance. as you can see, t57 isn't actually doing better than them

[upbeat kiln]

Why the T57 has 1972 avrg dmg on an autoloader baffles me what are these people doing 🥀

[still orchid]

i think its a wrong way to measure it... t57 is mostly grinded by new players just like e100. and type 5 is behind a steep paywall so you cant really compare it like that

[flat zephyr]

well that means tank is not really that storng

[jaunty ridge]

wait till your learn about 183 players 🥀

[still orchid]

arent there like stats for rating battles on 5k+ or something?

[upbeat kiln]

They're 183 players I'm not surprised

[flat zephyr]

and you can see e100 is doing almost the same as t57, which removes the new player factor. I can add other tanks for you as well

[flat zephyr]

unfortunately no. it would be a good thing to measure though

[flat zephyr]

btw just as a note, I think 114sp2 is a horrible tank. yet it performs better

[still orchid]

i just remembered that type71 with gold sees 114sp2 as fully greyed out tank

maybe the balance is ok for average player afterall

[flat zephyr]

balance of t57? well you can see it is really not doing well compared to all other heavies

[still orchid]

wait but is blitzstars scrapping all data like blitzkit?

[flat zephyr]

I don't know

[still orchid]

because 2000 dmg seems too high for just average player. from what i know the avg dmg in tier 10 is like 1700

[flat zephyr]

that is almost all players not average

[uneven turtle]

I’m still not on board with the planned changes for the t57 where the alpha is knocked down to 375

[still orchid]

yeah but average is 1700 more or less. blitzkit even shows how many people play the tank take a look https://blitzkit.app/performance/

you can see premiums that are played the least are performing better

[flat zephyr]

116 f3 is played the least and it is performing horribly

[still orchid]

yeah i also see this

[flat zephyr]

the graph in blitzstars only states players between 40% and 73% total winrate
so it removes the very edge of players

[still orchid]

haha so it removes the 300 dmg avg guys in e100 i guess

[flat zephyr]

pretty much from every tank

[fervent grove]

Remove reactive from Ho Ri

[nimble niche]

No nerf T57 HEAVY why WG

[grave isle]

@brisk cedar hello, apologies for the ping.

In your message you state that équipement rebalanced won’t happen in this patch.

Can you confirme that you are still going to move forwards with the changes to shell velocity changes, at least in the form that was shown to us?

Another detail I’d like to point out is that as tournament players and I think we mostly agree on that we need the reactive from the hori to go.
50B doesn’t matter if it has reactive but for hori it very much does.

Thank you!

[still orchid]

in normal games its a problem as well

[brisk cedar]

Velocity changes stay.
Hori keeps Reactive to have some more advantage compared to the WZ-113G FT.
But since its large with no turret, balance team assumes its not fit to constantly fill entire teams.

[grave isle]

Thanks for the reply.

[dire field]

why u dont nerf more 116? xd

literally most p2w tank and u give him buff half the season which changed everything

25k gold on auction for winning season

[uneven turtle]

It’s getting its biggest trait which is high hp from sandbags + reactive removed already

[dire field]

literally 2 116 will kill t11e6 in like 10 seconds still

[uneven turtle]

Then by your logic, t57 Heavy is completely op, 4005 is completely op, waffen e100 is completely op, and many more(can’t forget my Kran)

[meager dawn]

you could say the same about pretty much any autoloader

[dire field]

t57 doesnt have good armor

and 116 is mobile got armor and dpm which u curently didnt get on the way

[rocky sentinel]

But the Ho Ri already has… better mobility, better pen, better accuracy, reactive on the Ho Ri needs to go. And they aren’t capable at all. Reactive should be on super heavys, not of TD’s.

[uneven turtle]

But 2 t57s can kill a t11e6 in 10 seconds 🤷

maybe even less time due to shell reload boost

And it’s got a much more accurate gun

[uneven turtle]

The 3 shot gun has relatively poor dpm btw😶

[rocky sentinel]

U do realize the 116 has like the worst DPM in tier ten right?

[meager dawn]

116 has really bad dpm, and its power-weight is pretty bad it just has a good top speed

[uneven turtle]

The single shot gun has a respectable 2.7k dpm

Not the worst by any means

[dire field]

ye u are just no sense writing now

its not like ppl play 5 116f3 in cw XDD ye thats normal of course only way to get a meta tank = pay

[uneven turtle]

I’m just using the same reasoning as you

The whole reason it’s being spammed is cus reactive🥀

[dire field]

oh wow so super conq got reactive why ppl dont play 5 superconq?

[uneven turtle]

Cus 116 is just the better of the two rn

[twilit flare]

hori needs reactive removed as well

[rocky sentinel]

WG, why can’t we just remove reactive from the 50b?

[dire field]

ye crazy bro because 116 got everything tank need

[flat zephyr]

But they do don't they?

[twilit flare]

read the changes

[grave isle]

Lowkey agree

[dire field]

yes because 116 need more nerf reactive armor would make big difference if super conq and other ht tanks didnt lose reactive armor too

so 116 will still be on meta

[woeful salmon]

do you have 116?

[dire field]

I just comeback from 3 years break

And i can see wg is only for money now

[uneven turtle]

Not really no, it’s losing reactive AND sandbags

[dire field]

Yes like other ht?

[woeful salmon]

116 average player are bad, it's easy to fightback if you know how to play

[uneven turtle]

Other hts are losing reactive generally, 116 is getting both of those removed

[dire field]

Its not about average players, its about top 16 players

[dire field]

Still its need more nerf

[woeful salmon]

the game isn't for top 16. Is for everyone...

[uneven turtle]

I’m sure there are gonna be much better alternatives than 116 after this balance change

For example, rino could potentially be spammed due to the 10 degrees of gun dep that can be achieved through equipment

And it’s a tech tree tank too, so u can’t complain about wg only buffing tanks that are mostly obtained through a paywall

[dire field]

Yes so lets just hide the fact that meta is 5 f3 xddd bro get out

[dire field]

Idk now meta will be more light-med

[uneven turtle]

So you admit it yourself that 116 has a good chance of phasing out of the meta 🤷

[dire field]

Still it will be played and for sure its still need more nerf

[uneven turtle]

Then a lot of tanks need more nerf

[woeful salmon]

easy: 116 on cw cant be played or get nerf. WG can do this

[dire field]

Like? What need more nerf than 116?

[uneven turtle]

The rino not needing that equipment access to 10 degrees of gd?

Wz 121 not needing a higher alpha and better armor?

T110E5 not needing a traverse buff since it’s already a solid hulldown tank to begin with?

Hori deserving to have its reactive removed?

[rocky sentinel]

I don’t see anything about removing reactive from the 50b

[woeful salmon]

you dont wanna see 5 116 on cw. for me, idc

[dire field]

Wz 121 is now a trash
T110e5 was kicked out of the meta for 116?
Hori will be good td to be played its not too op
Rino wasnt in meta and its not that powerfull

I dont know what are u comparing Man

116f3 will need just a little more nerf

[uneven turtle]

Wz 121 trash?
T110E5 kicked out of the meta but may be returning with the changes it’s getting?
Hori literally being a do it all td?
Rino having extremely solid dpm and is only going to get even more flexible and difficult to deal with in hulldown situations?

There are going to be so many more tanks that will be better than 116 after the balance

[dire field]

Rino doesnt have armor that is trolling and doesnt need 380 pen to penetrate

[uneven turtle]

It’s turret armor is already quite difficult to deal with, most tanks require gold to pen it ON FLAT GROUND

Now imagine that with 10 degrees in hulldown

[rocky sentinel]

I didn’t know tungsten, reactive, 420 DPS fantastic aiming time, decent armor, mobility, was bad. Along with me 66% wr and 3k average

[dire field]

Isn't its really easy to deal with he like 200 dmg?

[uneven turtle]

You poke and you lose more hp than you dish out, rino has an accurate gun with gold that can easily butter through most armor

And it’s a two shot, so you run the risk of losing 600+ hp depending on shell type used

[dire field]

Rino doesnt have best armor on the turret and not a lot of hp

With e5 on turret shooting i would prob lose

[uneven turtle]

It’s 10 degrees with 205mm of armor

[dire field]

And its still will be penetrated

[uneven turtle]

205mm that is already well angled to begin with

[dire field]

Add the fact that 400 pen isn't small amount
Ye e5 would pen it

[uneven turtle]

Either you’re just rage baiting or you just have no clue what you’re talking about, that’s the only two possible outcome I can deduce from this rn

There’s not a single heavy in the game, even in running heat+ cali combo, that has 400mm of gold penetration

[rocky sentinel]

Ye I would have to agree.

[dire field]

If u dont think adding 116 to the game and buffing it to this way was good u dont dont what are u talking

[uneven turtle]

I know it’s not fair in the current meta, but I think it was fairly nerfed for the next patch

[dire field]

Ye and rino is slow

[rocky sentinel]

Let’s just give up on this guy and move on.

[uneven turtle]

Ok so it’s just rage bait

[dire field]

XD GG bro Play your top 32

[sour moon]

Good afternoon! I think the devs could give the Somua SM some special attention. This tank is very frustrating to play; its weapon is extremely frustrating, all combined with the HUGE reload time and accuracy worthy of the worst Soviet heavy tanks in the same tier. Not even the Skoda 56 is this inaccurate. I believe its cannon is horrible due to hidden characteristics, I don't know. Honestly, I don't understand its purpose; the cannon is awful and the hull armor is consistent, but the turret is EXTREMELY weak. Besides, if you hit the turret crew member, which almost always happens, the reload time goes up to 8,000 seconds.

[woeful salmon]

oh a troll is here. well now all is clear

[uneven turtle]

I do think he was genuinely frustrated by the 116 and wanted to justify nerfing it even more

like a WW1 situation where George Clemenceau wanted Germany extremely weakened so France no longer runs the risk of invasion by Germany

[ashen copper]

Another classic case of people wanting a tank to get buffed then complaining 👍👍

[uneven turtle]

Well the 116 did deserve a buff, but not to this extent

[woeful salmon]

after rebalance 116 will a normal heavy with 1260 clip potential and horrible dpm

[broken bloom]

remove reactive from hori please i dont want another td meta please please please

[still orchid]

actually whats going to happen to carro? is it still going to be 3100+dpm? and better armor

[rocky sentinel]

This is why WG should get advice from skilled players on how to balance their tanks. Like 60%+ wr and 2200+ average, and 55%+ survival.

[grave isle]

[rocky sentinel]

I love how many people don’t want reactive on the Ho Ri yet WG refuses to touch the Ho Ri. It’s like the Sheridan with tungsten. And this is why many people don’t think fondly of WG

[grave isle]

Hori is there to counter type5 spam guys trust

[rocky sentinel]

Fr that one type 5 Ive found in the past 5k games

[grave isle]

You’re acting like tournament players don’t have the means to acquire and spam a premium tank?

[sturdy marlin]

The TVP does not need more hull armour, just keep the 4 shell autoloader.

[deft echo]

give the chieftain mk6 more hp on it's ammorack

[hushed timber]

i think WG forgot to remove the Carro buffs ( 200 dpm buff firing single shot/213 dpm buff firing 3 shot and reloading all 3) plus the turret armor

[scenic hazel]

Foch has tungsten when jag doesnt, really bro

[brave dragon]

Please focus on actual discussion of tank balance.

[primal yacht]

✅ aadyantsingh has been warned.

[ionic egret]

Day 4 of asking for an alpha and hull armour Buff for WZ-111-5A

[nimble anchor]

The t32 is too bad
The e5 isn't something worth going to when this thing is in the line.
The gun is too bad
The mobility is too bad
The turret is the best
But not the hull
So either give it a big hull armor buff
A mobility buff
Or a gun buff(make it less derpy and have better handling)

[regal rampart]

can add gear oil to E75TS?? it's too freaking slow

[nova star]

Yeah, 2 queue system sucks, makes the game feel rigged

Overpowering bad players is what makes Randoms great, if you want to make the game "competitive and balanced" that's what ratings mode is for, not regular

[brave dragon]

Your feedback does not relate to tank balance.
If you need help with account restoration, please contact support.

[primal yacht]

@unreal moat, you can reach out to the support using the following link: https://wargaming.net/support/en/products/wotb/help/

[mystic nova]

the t32 is op at tier 8

[waxen geode]

My comment was removed? Wow! Thanks moderators!!! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[uneven turtle]

The gun on the e5 is actually quite reliable, and it’s also got a decent top speed of 42 iirc, and in the next balance patch for t10s it’s traverse is only going to get better(by a lot too)

Oh wait

Ok I’m talking about the wrong tank but still the fact that e5 is getting significantly improved(imo) makes it worth going to, and t32 isn’t even a bad tank, I’d even say it’s one of the better t8 hts currently

[indigo tide]

Strong turret armor, 10 degrees gun dep with excellent armor when using it, not even that slow for the armor and hp it has and decent gun
It’s very strong, what do you want more ?

[brave dragon]

Nothing personal. A batch of recent messages outside of the scope of the channel were removed.
#tank-balance-discussion message

[placid kestrel]

The best thing you guys can do is increase reload time on autoloaders. Buff armor and HP equipment to 5% and 8%. And nerf calibrated shells to values between 4 and 8% extra pen.
Turbo battles would be heavily reduced.

[fiery turtle]

What should I upgrade in the next rebalance? What will the meta be?

[still orchid]

yeah but people on this serv downvote if any tank gets a nerf...

[placid kestrel]

If you nerf across the board some tanks will get better. People will only notice that when they play it. WG needs to learn to separate good feedback from bad one. Ignore the downvotes on nerfs that make sense.

[tame cloud]

mogging in progress

[tame cloud]

it only needs armor and accuracy

[fiery turtle]

Bad jawline

[wraith pulsar]

Maus should get 3000 HP base to counter autoloaders/high alpha/high DPM tanks

[nimble anchor]

Mobility that wants to make u throw ur computer...
And a gun which hits less hard than a slipper made of cactus...
Wdym what more could I want
The p2w is Wayyy too bad
And the dispersion is horrible

[indigo tide]

Alpha and pen are standard, and mobility is just normal for a tank that much armored... yes it’s slow and not the most accurate, but all the other aspects make the tank strong
And when you're holding a position in hulldown (what the tank is meant for), the accuracy and mobility are no more a problem because you're not moving

[sinful badge]

why does obj 752 need 384 heat pen

[nimble zodiac]

The same reason BLITZ9000 has 292mm HEAT pen

It doesn’t

[primal yacht]

✅ _anti_zionist_ was banned.

[nimble anchor]

It's good for holding a huldown position
But the hull armor is not enough for t8
Anything can pen the upper plate
And don't even talk about the sides
The mobility make this tank even worse

[indigo tide]

The speed is not that bad, it can go over 30 pretty easely on flat ground
For a tank with a very strong turret, a decent gun and up to 2k hp, it’s really not bad
And the hull is just normal, if it had a strong turret and a strong hull it would be op. Tanks with a good hull have generally weaknesses on the turret (vk100 with cupola, kv4 with cupola...) or their hull is easely penned by prammo (53tp, tiger II...)
Other tanks with a strong turret also have weaker hull, like is3
And for the side, it cannot sidescrape but that’s not the role of the tank

[terse cairn]

The hull isn't that bad. Its around 270mm when using gun depression against AP ammunition

[undone cargo]

Buff lansen c. It needs reload buff, hitpoints buff to 1450 and either more turret armor or better mobility

I find the t32 incredibly hard to fight with tanks with 5-6 degrees of depression ( looking over at those solviet tanks) because of that stupid bar in the middle of the hull which stops those tanks from shooting the ufp. There's been so many matches where in a facehug the t32 just keeps wiggling and I can't do anything.

[ionic egret]

Day 5 of asking for an alpha and hull armour Buff for WZ-111-5A

[terse cairn]

5A needs heat pen buff.

[half onyx]

Day 1 of asking for a Free Anihilator, Smasher, 116 and Type 5 for everyone

[placid kestrel]

Bro 5A has 440 alpha

[cursive minnow]

🧑‍🦯🧏

[wary saddle]

🤑 🤑 🤑 🤑 🤑

[nimble anchor]

Yea on gun depression dependent maps its op but if ur team decides to go to town on middle burger what will u do?
The tank is supposed to dominate a hill but whith such bad mobility how is it going to get there in time? Hp wise its amazing
The p2w is the bad thing in the mobility and in the gun the handling is the problem
Im not trying to roast this tank but its just too un-injoyable

[fickle tinsel]

tanks have roles not every tank is supposed to be amazing at everything. you're asking for an already strong tank to be made overpowered

the t32 already has good armor, dpm, and sandbag armor

it was good back when i played it before sandbag armor and the front hull buff and when it only had 198 pen

[indigo tide]

Are you playing it stock ? the mobility is fine, it quickly goes to its max speed which is decent, and on map like middleburg use your hp (2091 at max, which is great at tier8) and when you can go in face hug
I personnally had a good time grinding it and I still play it now that I unlocked everything
And like sprint said, tank have roles

[nimble anchor]

Nope it dominates on hills but it needs some strong points on flat ground
Atleast 40 top speed or better traverse
The hp is just 100 more than a tiger 2

[fickle tinsel]

this is skill issue cope you are literallya sking for this tank to be better than every other heavy in every category

[indigo tide]

With max setup, tiger 2's hp is 1924 while t32 is 2091, so more than 100
If it's faster, with more armor, more adaptability, more hp than any other heavy while having a decent gun it'll just be op

[nimble zodiac]

If your team goes town on Middleburg, say goodbye to your win streak

T32 is a great tank and only the gun is underwhelming, if you can argue that

[muted rampart]

It is without a doubt underwhelming to say the least, but the rest of the tank is cracked so it evens out

[nimble zodiac]

Heavy cap canal >

[wicked quest]

You probably main heavies don’t you

[wicked quest]

Full shipping yard on port bay >

[fickle tinsel]

even the gun is workable atp its like upper third by dpm

[pure pike]

cheif mk 6 need turret armour buff like fb215b or e5 or atleast type 71, this thing really struggling for its turret, otherwise it is a enjoyable tank

[cursive minnow]

🥱 notice how I wasn’t talking? My fans love me ❤️

[ivory quiver]

How many fans do you have

[wild knoll]

Ho-Ri and WZ 113G-FT both tier 10 Tank destroyers will be kinda the same after balance.

[nimble anchor]

No its just not fun to play this thing
U constantly miss shots and are very slow

[scarlet karma]

depends on if the enemy has some dude who just kicks your cupola on the top turret every time. Good things its really rare for a cupola pen against a T32

[lethal cliff]

who knows how the armor of wz121 will be in 11.5？

[ionic egret]

Day 6 of asking for an alpha and hull armour Buff for WZ-111-5A

[terse cairn]

My guess is that the armour would become more similar to the current t62a.

[cyan coral]

<@&481447501690568709>

[placid kestrel]

Bruh 5a doesn't need any alpha buff are you crazy

[sharp iron]

What is crazy about buffing 5a?

[iron atlas]

Yo is M48 Patton gonna be good?

[soft void]

The Sheridan is still gonna be a pest I think I genuinely hate the Sheridan it hits you for like 545 and half the time that means either it out trades you or gets away before you even have to chance to shot it back i think the Sheridan and the players shouldn't be rewarded for camping all game and or yoloing

[lofty umbra]

I feel like the WZ113G ft/ is the most rat tank destroyer
it's mobil-ish
it's basically a short hori, less pen and way better armor.
Idk about the rebalance on it, like idk what to think of it
absoloute hull down monster... till you get penned with a gold shell.

[fickle tinsel]

right now it's getting nerfed heavily and even though 2/3 oppose the nerfs im guessing it's still gonna end up worse

[merry sorrel]

I still think the E100 needs an armor buff on the turret and lower glacis plate. The turret needs it so it can look directly at enemies more easily and also so it's effective on uneven terrain if the opportunity arises.

The lower frontal plate is too weak and easy to penetrate, to the point that Tier VIII tanks can pierce it. If the armor is improved slightly, then simply angling the tank a bit would be enough to make it difficult to penetrate. The classic way to angle the E100 is by sidecrashing, but sidecrashing isn't possible on all maps or in all situations. By improving the lower plate and the turret armor, the AW can angle the front more safely.

The lower plate is 150 mm thick; I recommend increasing it to 174 mm thick. That way, when angled slightly, it will be difficult for most tanks to pierce, except for tank hunters. And obviously, if the lower plate of the E100 is improved, the one of the Jagdpanzer E100 should also be improved.

[prisma jetty]

You do realize that most tier 10 meds struggle with the lower plate already unles they load gold, right?

Here's what the buff you propose looks like versus the highest standard pen on a med with cali. This is, obviously, quite broken as it completely forces prammo use

[indigo tide]

I'm not saying that I totally agree with the other, but a med shouldn’t be able to front pen (with standard at least) a heavy tank in its strong position...

[prisma jetty]

Being in the open isn't a "strong position"

And even if you load prammo, if the E100 angles a little bit more he can force a 50/50 (Shooting the lower plate) or a shot close to the tracks (Trying to his the side). This is the strongest prammo on a med in tier 10 with cali

[terse cairn]

Buff the turret by 10 mm so that mediums can't pen it very easily

[merry pelican]

JG pz didnt get new balance with that so many dislike

[unique scaffold]

And you do realize there aint anymore players who dont use gold

[ionic egret]

Day 7 of asking for an alpha and hull armour Buff for WZ-111-5A

[golden drum]

+1

[prisma jetty]

If you look at the last picture I sent, you’ll see that I show it versus gold. Perhaps try reading everything before saying something.

[fiery falcon]

I need help

[cinder shard]

With?

[glad flower]

Purchases not being delivered, forwarded him to @ ratedbelow600 ‘s support ticket already

Should be resolved

[flat zephyr]

can we at least make stbs gun the same as type 61 not worse?

better aim and gold pen and shell velocity on type

[thorn lily]

Why the t57 become stronger??? jesus

[soft void]

Rest in peace the 50 B if the changes to it go through there would be no reason to drive a 50 B over a t57 except that the 50 b is faster but I do agree that the 50 B needed a nerf taking away the damage reducing consumable and taking away a shell makes it in my opinion worse than the t57 sure the 50 B will do 45 more damage a clip but thats not alot so thats just my opinion I would like to talk to someone else and have a conversation about this cuase this just doesn't make sense the changes their making to the 50 B

[sharp iron]

50b is getting stronger what is buddy babbling on about 💀💀

[soft void]

Could you please tell me how I just dont understand it lol I mean the t57 exists and if they do what their doing what's the point of the 50 B

[sharp iron]

Because it's getting faster with less shells aka less exposure time, it's also a lot more mobile than t57 is. More shells does not = better, the strongest version 50b has ever been in was a 3 shell gun before they changed it in the first place

[soft void]

I didn't realize they were making it faster thats on me and di never played in the 50 B before it had 4 shells i got my first their ten in 2019 so I didn't know it had three shells originally mb lol

So is the 50 B still gonna be broken or will it be balanced? In your opinion

[sharp iron]

Not broken but still very strong even with losing reactive

[soft void]

Thank you for explaining that to me

What do you think about the Sheridan? Personally I think it's the most rat tank there is maybe others beat it but the Sheridan is still in my opinion a rat

[twin egret]

At least the amx 50 b won't be broken anymore, now it's going back to its original state now when it was first initially released

[soft void]

Well thats good I think

Was the Sheridan always such a rat veichle

[ivory quiver]

Always was, heck was even worse when it had ATGMs and was in the hands of someone who could aim with them

[open lake]

Buff gsor fearless

[soft void]

Why

[scenic hazel]

Every gsor owner knows why

[ember idol]

For a rearline camper, it has pretty poor gun handling and shell velocity

A genuine insult tbh, especially with how much "nicer" the regular GSOR is

[ionic egret]

Day 8 of asking for an alpha and hull armour Buff for WZ-111-5A

[velvet cypress]

Fv183 old alpha trade for 240 meters of spotting range?

[fathom garden]

can we buff the upper plate of the maus so the german superheavy doesn't get autopenned by 380 heat

[bold pine]

They wont

[ashen copper]

They are scared of buffing super heavys

[pine void]

привет

где русские

[neon sluice]

I like the new changes. Currently my favourite tier 10, the BZ 75 with the 130mm gun gets even better. But generally for the game to get better I would love to see bigger reload time for autoloaders. It is very cringe that you dont lose anything for driving an autoloader

[primal yacht]

@pine void, please note, that the official language of this server is English. If you want to speak Russian/Ukrainian, please join the server below.
Официальным языком этого сервера является английский. Если вы хотите говорить на русском, пожалуйста, присоединяйтесь к серверу ниже.
Офіційною мовою цього сервера є англійська. Якщо ви хочете говорити українською, будь ласка, приєднуйтесь до сервера нижче.
https://discord.gg/mkNtBAYcWy

[civic topaz]

Здесь))

[oak coral]

Please ignore the suggestion about the autoloaders

[neon sluice]

why?

[neon sluice]

and what I really want in game is an auto translate option in the chat. I hate that I need to see russian letters all the time on eu server. I dont understand anything

half of the playerbase uses slavic letters

[civic perch]

@brave dragon

[civic perch]

i wish the same they would add that

[civic perch]

so then the only tanks coming back in their original states are is4 and amx 50b?

[waxen roost]

of course or give this facka a server, im sick of having russian mates.

but at least wargaming will need 5 years same for the damage counter.

But guess what, the next tank for 1000€ will come in a month haha.

This Company is kinda cooked.

[gray venture]

hello developers, I am AcizaneFakirV3 I use this account to make good statistics,I have 11 years of experience,do you realize that you have ruined tank destroyers over the years, in my previous message I said that this is very insufficient for the fv4005 and it cannot be superior to any tank, no, I got a very funny answer, as the tank is balanced and very funny, a player with 11 years of experience and good statistics says that this tank is insufficient, and the answer given seems funny. I'm saying it again, tank destroyers are nothing but bait for medium tanks. . By the way, I'm not sure if the person who answered me is a developer or not, if he is a developer I think he should resign.

[hushed timber]

a player should be rewarded when angling a superheavy's armor vs a medium. ( also with the angle u are using it is very easy to over/under angle the hull armor)

[waxen roost]

E100 turret schould be not a pen against mediums and lights, lower plate is ok but not the turret.

[hushed timber]

even the lower plate when angled.

[deft echo]

give e-10 430 alpha to mimic the stock gun as like in the e 100
nerf its turret turn rate because its just useless and buff the turret frontal armor and hull (yes, the lower plate) so it can actually bounce armor and angle
and buff the hull turn rate for god's sake its just painfully slow

[waxen roost]

Nobody cares about e10...

[hushed timber]

superheavies in general should have 2250-2450 dpm. ( depending on the gun caliber and alpha ) and really strong armor with 2850+ hit points.

like the E100's 128mm gun should NOT get 3k dpm

[prisma jetty]

You shouldn’t be rewarded for going out in the open and exposing weak points to anyone

[glad flower]

But people in here keep saying e100 is underpowered so how about wg increases e100 12.8cm dpm by 400 more? That would surely be fun, especially for the people still arguing that the 15cm cannon is the better option because you can OuTtRaDe better with it!

[calm cipher]

Ho-ri nerf when? It literally does as much / more damage than grille 15 but with the same recharge time a little bit and more armor, that armor is little but still can bounce some shells 🤦🤦 either nerf Ho-ri or buff grille 15 bruh

[charred vigil]

Why not put these two pieces of equipment on the T110E4? The tank already suffers from that dome, and this might work well with it.

It even seems to be worse than the T110E3 because of that commander's turret.

[calm cipher]

Off topic but I'm jealous with your amount of free exp

[charred vigil]

I have nothing more to search for in the game.

[charred vigil]

I think maybe putting two projectiles in it, lol, that would be really weird, maybe to compensate for that problem of his.

[hushed timber]

id rather them improve the armor

[fickle tinsel]

grille needs buff more than hori needs nerf

[hushed timber]

also those ppl just have a huge skill issue. those are the same people who make stupid pushes because they think since that have nearly 3k hp they are invincible

[hushed timber]

grille i think deserves the buff its getting. one its getting apcr which makes the gun a bit more annoying but at the same time its a lazer. and at the end of a day its a very team reliant tank.

[deft echo]

give the t-43 pbr

[sweet hearth]

🫠

[ionic egret]

Day 9 of asking for an alpha and hull armour Buff for WZ-111-5A

[gray venture]

I agree

[gray venture]

this tank is too weak

[uneven turtle]

Well, grille does have the most precise gun in the game so you can take up some weird position far back and still find a way to easily hit your shots

It also has a wider gun arc since it has a turret meaning it’s less often that you would be required to turn ur hull to face the opponent, meaning your aiming circle doesn’t bloom as much, and also don’t forget it has one of the best mobility in t10 for a td, allowing you to take important positions early or relocate to safety more easily should the situation arise

But going back to your statement, hori is obnoxiously strong rn, it’s not that the grille is weak, it’s just hori. So it’s hori that should be getting nerfed, not grille getting buffed, otherwise it’s just power creep all over again

[uneven turtle]

Grille is perfectly fine as it is

[uneven turtle]

A lot of tds are team reliant

[vestal ocean]

Yess i love this opinion. WG please make the game longer by buffing all HT 's health point and increase overall armor. I wish battles could last longer 😭🥰

[lilac trail]

👍

[slow basalt]

I was trying to get a complaint about particularly gross disparities and the consistency of those disparities with WG support and they told me to go to "Chat With Devs" in Discord. But it turns out, "Chat With Devs" isn't a channel, but a cagegory, and there is no channel to discuss such things, just tank balance and news. Is it possible to get some sort of 'general wotb discussion' channel, or even a few more specific ones?

[full storm]

Buff bz-75!

[deft echo]

day 2 of asking to buff e10 alpha to 430 to mimic the stock gun like the e100, buff the turret armor in exchange for the turn rate, buff hull armor and hull traverse rate

[fickle tinsel]

yeah definitely not

Bottom of the barrel for both 65+ and -45 players indicating low floor and low ceiling so you're just wrong, it's underpowered

[upper knot]

#general-blitz-discussion is the catchall but there may be a specific channel that fits your concern better.

WG staff monitor all of the channels and reports are prepared for those who do not have the time to look for themselves. Some staff may be curious about the channels that relate to what they have been working on. They may not have time to stop and chat, but they do want to know what our reactions are. Because of that the #news-discussion channel is a popular one for them to see what we are saying about what has been in the news.

[clear shuttle]

they should give the grille 640 alpha again and remove gear oil

[fresh island]

Hello

Me is here to say me thinks m48 should not get apcr standard or get a pen buff

[jovial jay]

I think grille needs a buff tho M48 Patton needs a hull nerf

[fickle tinsel]

grille just needs to have better camo pre-shot

it already has to contend with the fact that tanks like the wz or hori are more impactful by virtue of being able to eat shots so the balancing factor is allowing for easier damage output through better pre-shot camo

genuinely makes no sense that they give every tank leading up good camo and then decide the grille just doesn't get camo

[uneven turtle]

Camo doesn’t matter when your gun allows you to confidently hit shots from as far back as you want

[fickle tinsel]

no it definitely still matters that makes absolutely 0 sense as a counterargument lmao

[uneven turtle]

Yes it does bro, it means you can easily remain unspotted since you’re firing at opponents OUTSIDE of their spotting range

And also, bush mechanics are a thing one can learn to remain unspotted after firing even if ur within spotting distance

[fickle tinsel]

buddy i genuinely should not have to explain to you that dispersion is not the only benefit of good camo

[uneven turtle]

Weirdly phrased

[fickle tinsel]

arguing that camo is useless with good dispersion is one of the blitz official takes of all time ☠️

[uneven turtle]

I’m not saying that grille camo is unneeded, it definitely still is in some scenarios, but usually the gun is what allows it to pull of sneaky shots from weird positions

Yall act like it has 183 levels of camo

[hollow wind]

I mean the grille has 43% on move vs the 183's 37%. That isn't too dissimilar. I don't think the grille needs a buff anymore than what it's getting in december.

[uneven turtle]

43% is moderately good enough, even more so that grille has good enough mobility that it can quickly get to the positions it needs to be, whereas the 183 is much slower, and spends a longer time at 37% camo rating while it’s driving to its position

[topaz kettle]

Just noticed how ridiculously heavy this tank is, despite visually looks similar like an american M48 patton. Im curious where 90 tons even coming from? That's almost heavy as a VK 90.01 P

[dense apex]

can someone help me understand why so many 1st classes arent contributing to gun mark???? like wth i cant even pass 1% on so many tanks

[terse cairn]

Yea. The tank doesn't even have any armour too

[lime shard]

Is that tank available now? The BZ 74 1?

[obtuse ibex]

It's the engine of course, or maybe just the crew, never know :)

[sudden island]

isnt this tank was sold during recent auction?

[heavy oxide]

How many battles did u play on each tank? The more u play, the faster it increases

[odd quiver]

Tank balance is fine, game is going to a good way

[broken bloom]

When moe on Waffen F1?

[open lake]

Buff gsor fearless

[dry palm]

What is that message and username? 💀

Okay.

[ionic egret]

Day 10 of asking for an alpha and hull armour Buff for WZ-111-5A

[tranquil willow]

What happened to the preferential MM for at least six battles when you buy a tank? I just got the Chafee and my first battle is up against Tier VII.

[brave dragon]

Not guaranteed … depends on player volume etc

[broken kernel]

Nothing is guaranteed in this game bro, i have 500 battles yet like 11 out of the 14 players in my match have over 10k battles, newbie mm doesnt exist at all and because of it i cant grind marks on that account, this game sucks at getting new players, what theyre good at tho is increasing crate prices and charm requirements

Sorry for the rant post update teams never do me good

[brave dragon]

I hear you ... and, it takes 5000 battles to be elegible for MOE.

[woven scroll]

Which tank should I use so I can get gun mark

The total battle I have Is 4804 battles I played

[twin egret]

💀 you need 196 more battles to start getting gun marks

[woven scroll]

Oh

Ok I’ll show you how much battles I have @twin egret

[hushed token]

376 average dmg...

[woven scroll]

Here so how much battle do I need to play and what tank should i use @twin egret

[scenic hazel]

Wow skilled

[tame plume]

Everyone grinding out 3 marks while this guy is grinding out 1 marks

[woven scroll]

Wdym skilled @scenic hazel

@tame plume I don’t even have a gun mark

[tame plume]

Grind out 200 more battles and you can start

[woven scroll]

I’m sorry @tame plume I thought you showing of because you said everyone is grinding out 3 mark and you said to me that you are saying that I have grind 1 mark and I only have 4804 total battle and I’m very sorry for arguing

[tame plume]

Nah i was making a crude joke, dont take it to heart

[woven scroll]

Ok so how much battles in a polite way to I have to grind to get gun mark which tank should I use out of my stats because when ever I use heavy or light tank I get destroyed so easily and my xp is less @tame plume and do I need 5000 battle

[terse cairn]

You need at least 5k games to start grinding gun marks.
Play tanks whichever you like. Usually fast tanks like mediums could be easy cuz you can assist dmg, spot enemies and cap bases which will give you xp. That's just my guess. I could be wrong

[deft echo]

day 3 of asking to buff e10 alpha to 430 to mimic the stock gun like the e100, buff the turret armor in exchange for the turn rate, buff hull armor and hull traverse rate

[woven scroll]

But is the ru-251 tank good for battle

[brave dragon]

Light tanks can be tough to do well in, they're a harder class to play, because they do not have much armor and have to fight many heavily armored tanks.

[cobalt kettle]

i have three different acounts on different divices,one on my Switch,and another one on my Switch2 and another one on my computerLOL

i heard that minoruar is getting better turret armour is this ture, if it is true then does anyone know what specific thickness will it be?(bro have CC1 MK2)

[pure pike]

is it true that kpz 70 become t10 innext update?

[fluid turret]

fellas,is it true that the big barn fv4005's autoloader will be bigger to 150mm?

i only saw this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAeet2Lx1VE&t=253s and i'm looking for any news of that from wg

[ember idol]

#balance-changes message

You heard it right

[fluid turret]

:dJakFresco:

[deft echo]

that's actually insane, the fact that I'm going for it in my eu acc

wait its not a separate module

[fluid turret]

i can definitely smell the toxicity out of the huge barn 150mm propaganda :face:

[deft echo]

dude you aren't allowed to send bad remarks edit that before a mod caught you

[fluid turret]

wait fr? mb

[nimble anchor]

NOOOO PLZ
its already way too OP
Plz don't do this the players is not gonna like this

[deft echo]

how about you try it yourself for a 100 battles

[fresh crane]

All of us here reading this message right now know he ain't gonna make it out a sane person

[little oracle]

// It will be better if don't remove tungesten from Jgpz E100 🙁 🙁 🙁

[fresh crane]

Jg pz without tungsten is like and angel without wings

[sharp swan]

man, i just bought the defender mk 1

its waaaay better then the lorr 40 t, in every single way

[fickle tinsel]

wg refuses to rebalance t8 so the difference in tanks is massie

[hollow wind]

after having rebalanced tier 10 what, 3 times now? They should rebalance tiers 9 and 8. Adding in all the abilities and some consumables would spice up these tiers.

[deft echo]

day 4 of asking to buff e10 alpha to 430 to mimic the stock gun like the e100, buff the turret armor in exchange for the turn rate, buff hull armor and hull traverse rate

@fresh crane lmao

[waxen geode]

Is the tier 8 Lansen worth it? On sale for 7.5K gold.

[deft echo]

@waxen geode its pretty medicore to this day, only upside that its gun is nice to feel except for the gun depression, pretty much play it like a leopard but be careful, after all its just a leo with a modified gun

anyway how about y'all just make the type 71 have the gun 7 degrees down by default so that the thingie on equipment slots is installed it will have 10 degrees

[waxen geode]

Thank you! I will ignore it then.

[flat zephyr]

Can we have T95E2 turret armor buffed? It can be penned into mantlet, cheeks, cupola, basically everywhere

[hollow wind]

Is that the tier 8 medium?
I thought it had a good mantlet

[ionic egret]

Day 11 of asking for an alpha and hull armour Buff for WZ-111-5A

[flat zephyr]

yea tier 8 American medium. it has nothing, absolutely nothing. You can go through mantlet even with heat

[flat zephyr]

it is like an american indien pz, with worse gun, worse speed and a huge cupola

[burnt venture]

[deft echo]

day 5 of asking to buff e10 alpha to 430 to mimic the stock gun like the e100, buff the turret armor in exchange for the turn rate, buff hull armor and hull traverse rate

in another note, T14 is pretty underrated on its own and I feel like it needs a complete rework, imo I think it would be better if it was moved to tier VI, have it with its hp to 1300, buff its armor and gun alpha, reload time, power to weight ratio, hull and turret traverse speed, everything. I also want to see it with pbr since it can be seen in the shop with the picture, I mean it looks ugly as heck

[woven radish]

WG, I cannot accept this balance parameter of Kranvagn

[terse cairn]

We are forced to use reticle cali on it if you want accuracy

[woven radish]

I'm just a little worried about its bullet speed 🙂

[terse cairn]

Won't matter much cuz its a frontline heavy. It is getting AP

[woven radish]

Thanh you

[safe trellis]

Bro, this guy is grinding for negative mark or smthing 😭

You need to have some type of special skill to be that bad

[fleet dove]

"Which tech tree should a beginner focus on?"

[hushed token]

60TP , E100 , Type 71 , E5 , Hori , Mino , M48 patton , E50M , Sheridan

[unique scaffold]

<@&481447501690568709> why i already did 60 battles and the gun marks exp is still progressing even though it says for your last 50 battles average exp will count

[brave dragon]

Did you earn any marks?

I suspect it is likely that it keeps running, until a player has all three marks.

[unique scaffold]

Im at mark 2 Currently 87% and i have done over 50 battles but the experience keep counting after every battle

[unique scaffold]

Didnt the mark description said that its for your last 50 battles

[brave dragon]

The goal is to earn three marks, so until you earn mark #3 ... it will keep looking at your last 50 battles.

It does not stop at 50 battles.

[unique scaffold]

Oh

[obtuse rover]

Question, will it be easier to 3mark tanks now while the mechanic is new or in the future

[atomic hound]

It'll be easier in the future once all the good players grinding marks because they're new play less often again

[ancient crypt]

Yall the New Polish TDs are CRAZY stronk

Got a 4.5k dmg 4 Kills Victory in the T9 with a bunch of medals and it was only a 2nd Class 💀

[nimble anchor]

Lol that's how new tanks just are

[ancient crypt]

turtle mk 1.....that thing was so bad on release

[ionic egret]

Day 12 of asking for an alpha and hull armour Buff for WZ-111-5A

[soft void]

Day 4 of asking for the Sheridan to be nerfed (if it is being nerfed please tell me so I can buy something nice for myself in celebration)

[soft void]

It looks to me like a buff....every tank as been getting a shell speed nerf and for some a buff and changing the main shell to AP is a buff in my opinion....man at this point I should get the Sheridan