tank-balance-discussion

[scenic hazel]

oh boy im running protective kit and defense system on 777 and still got ammo racked on my third battle

[short herald]

buff vickers cr it have no dpm (seriously 2.2k in a tier 9 lt)

[ancient rampart]

The tier 9 Vickers has 2849 DPM

[scenic hazel]

nah a random 50b yoloed and buttered my lower plate then ammo racked me after 3 shells

[shrewd brook]

Talking about ammo rack

[drowsy plaza]

Relevant to balance ?

[shrewd brook]

Not for mediums you see but in front other tier 8 havyes (like Lowe) is impossible penetrate them with normal or gold bullets, and sometimes when i try shot HE it makes ricochet😢

[drowsy plaza]

HE doesn’t ricochet, it either pens, doesn’t pen and does splash, or totally fails.

[shrewd brook]

Ok no problem if you say it.... I could search the replay for show you how i shoted a HE in the turrent and appear in my screen "the bullet ricochet in the armor" was crazy and stup1d, before i though same like you but now i know it can happen hahhaha lol

[cinder shard]

A bounce with He is not possible.
At most, it would say "armor not penetrated" if the HE fails and doesn't do any splash damage.
Same if the shell lands next to the tank but it's explosion/radius isn't big enough to cause any damage to the tank.

[tender gust]

Agreed u gotta rely on a lot of angling if u wanna use it correctly

[vital wagon]

Where's the T9 and T10?

[plain wave]

It's good already, it just has no armor🙏

[stone drum]

It's very mid

[marble kiln]

Chill, I'd make it... soon

[dense warren]

ong, the turret turn rate is terrible, they should buff if by atleast 5 or more degrees per second, but then if they do that they might have the nerf the hull turn rate a bit, not like its already pretty bad.

And maybe give it a bit more HP so it can take a bit more damage, and since the IS-4 is a great hulldown tank, I just don't really see why it needs to really turn unless you're getting flanked or need to reposition or smth along the lines of that.

[dapper zenith]

is4 last rebalance was giving up armour and penetration for terrain mobility buff and gun handling buff.

[ionic delta]

I think the time has come to move this tank to euro tech tree

[sinful pond]

if they still nerf the hull traverse for turret traverse buff then it'll be crazy 💀, it already have the same hull traverse as the is-7. It also needs slight buff on it's upper plate bc it's like paper even meds can pen it quite easily and can barely sidescrape to block shots from most tanks now especially against gold shells...

[fickle shoal]

speaking of tanks with low turret traverse speeds for no reason, the type 71's amazing 18.2 dg/s traverse, it was truly painful pre nerf but now it's just a nuisance

[muted rampart]

The time has come many years ago, but WG probably just forgot it exists like anything below T7

[junior oar]

Wg should Nerf gft's consumable

[calm dew]

buff object 452k, tank is extremely disgusting at the level, upgrade the hull and frontal armor so that it cannot be penetrated by any six level tank, any tank at the level, take object 752, K91, are not even close to this trash, costing 12500 gold, this tank is humiliated by everyone in random. 😬

[muted rampart]

Object 452k isn't the funniest tank to play, but it isn't that bad. It doesn't really need a buff

[ancient rampart]

452k is fine

[charred iron]

The Sheridan Missile tank on your wot blitz neck should be playable in normal, rating and tournament matches. Because there are even tanks with dynamic armor in the game, or for normal, rating and tournament matches, the ATGM bullet (gold bullet) of the Sheridan missile tank should be more difficult to control. In short, different ATGM mechanics will be used for normal matches and other ATGM mechanics will be used for special mode matches. Even if you don't do these, it would be great to add the Sheridan Missile tank as playable for normal games because some people do not like special mode matches and they can only use the Sheridan Missile tank in training rooms. Attention to Wargaming team

[torpid wraith]

Bro just ignoring how busted they were when they came out originally. We know wargaming balance department is to incompetent to balance them enough to be in normal so let’s just leave them out

[charred iron]

I know just writing my opinion

[stone drum]

It's pretty mid ngl, it could use some more traverse speed.

[foggy pasture]

Buff T82 HE shells so it have bigger pen

[tough rain]

Too hard for them probably. And I don't want to deal with it in its current state.

[marble kiln]

Additionally, it's easy to blow up the ammorack

[ancient rampart]

I mean it's Russian
they're all easy to ammo rack

[calm dew]

and if rush him where u going?

[ancient rampart]

Why would I rush someone in a 452k?

[ember tulip]

when wg will up T-22 medium lol

[solid sequoia]

Never

[ember tulip]

It so funny but 2 years ago I have played about hundred battles on this tank and it was pretty nice. Now this is the worst tank on 10 lvl after minotaur and wz 132 1. Exactly, why wg has nerfed minotaur, it wasn't so good tank. And when wg will up wz? Because this is the worst LT on 10 lvl XD

[ancient rampart]

T-22 is definitely not one of the worst tier 10s

[ancient rampart]

The Ho-Ri has the highest pen in the game
so of course I will use it

Besides the only reason the 268 pens there is because HEAT cannot auto ricochet
let's also not ignore the fact the entire turret is still unpennable

Like I said
HEAT only pens because it doesn't ricochet
Besides you're running calibrated 268 and it's still not a guaranteed pen on the upper plate
Every other tank besides the Jageroo will fail to pen it's upper plate

[queen geyser]

me when I get this exact scenario: I probably played 19238 battles in Obj 452 to finally fight a camping TD fully hulldown

[ancient rampart]

That's still not a guaranteed pen on the upper plate
the other 90% of your tank is fully red

With your logic the Concept 1b, Mk6 and Super Conq also have terrible armor since they're all hulldown tanks that get equally shot by HEAT

452k legit has a better armor profile than all three of them

[remote oriole]

All three of these tanks have larger upper plates, which makes all the difference between the enemy driving up a bit to see your lower plate or driving up a lot to see your lower plate

[ancient rampart]

Their armor completely falls apart while the 452k is still consistently strong

You can never play every tank perfectly all the time
If you're using that logic than literally every tank is bad
Hulldown tanks are strong when hulldown that's their gimmick of course they're fairly garbage when not hulldown

Trying to argue the tank is garbage or needs massive buffs just because it can't be played hulldown 24/7 is just downright dumb

You can't use all 10 degrees in the Mk6, Super Conq or Concept 1b all the time but that doesn't mean they're bad

[remote oriole]

That‘s an extreme pen extreme gun depression situation, and even then only the Chieftain really falls apart, while the S. Conq is decent (RNG and wiggling will likely save you) and the Concept is on par with the 452K. For more moderate pen the upper plates really make the difference

[ancient rampart]

[fresh crane]

https://tenor.com/view/rotating-skull-gif-24524852 Concept 1b has better armor on flat ground??? 💀

[ancient rampart]

Why are you arguing side armor for two hulldown tanks

[drowsy plaza]

Argues about T-22 😂

[remote oriole]

To be fair you‘re aiming down on the two tier ten tanks while aiming up at the 452K (making the weakspots of the S. Conq and the Concept seem more prominent than they are, and the weakspot of the 452K seem smaller than it is)

[ancient rampart]

No I'm not
That's default flat ground for all three

[remote oriole]

You tried to level out the gun, which creates an uneven picture because the guns are at different heights. What you show essentially shows what a tank as tall as the one presented sees from a relatively close distance (precisely from where the camera is), which creates a false illusion with the strength of the upper plates

[unique scaffold]

about Strv K wargaming please give it the same pen but with heat on premium ammo and make it go 50kph forward and 20 reverse . Im interested who will agree with me

[ancient rampart]

You do realize that giving it HEAT premium over APCR premium would nerf it's pen right?

[unique scaffold]

@ancient rampart Your wrong with calibratid shells on will get 350 mm

[ancient rampart]

He said the same pen
So I assumed it would be 326 HEAT
that's my mistake

[unique scaffold]

that my c-d-a it has 310 mm on heat and with calibratid shells it gets 350 @ancient rampart do you agree

[ancient rampart]

When you account for normalization the actual performance is fairly similar

Of course it's a different outcome when you account for poorly angled plates and auto ricochet angles

[unique scaffold]

lets say buying the strvk was a good choise but wg MAKE IT GO 50 and make players to forgot about super speed boost

[native folio]

Give CC 1's 2nd and 1st shell a 3 second faster reload, but keep the delay thing.

[remote mirage]

If you use cali on the Object would it change?

[nimble zodiac]

The upper plate would likely become penetrable

[spiral cypress]

Hi guys,what do you think about the tvp 50/51 after the update??
I'm trying to research all European tech tree

[umbral shard]

tvp is still quite good even after the intraclip nerf

[ancient rampart]

Wdym? I did

[drowsy plaza]

That is a balance factor. With better travers you could bait and wiggle and bounce way too reliably.

[muted rampart]

Honestly with how bad other factor of the tank got when compared to other meds, I wouldn't mind.

It could have some of it's previously buffed terrain resistance taken away tho

[cinder shard]

Not related to tank balance, please use
#tourneys-team-search

[nimble zodiac]

Also <@&481447501690568709> could you deal with that person's profile picture?

Or well, help them deal with their own pfp

[fresh crane]

@brave dragon inappropriate pfp

[tacit pike]

Really pepole care about someone pfp lmao

[gleaming apex]

kawazaki_jept was muted.

[rocky vault]

Try putting one like that and see if they point it out

[fresh crane]

It's a picture of a ... in a server of a game filled with kids, not good

[stone drum]

🗿

[stone drum]

When did the terrain resistances get "Buffed"?

@muted rampart which one, I can't find anything.

[muted rampart]

On the T-22? In one of the rebalances iirc

[muted rampart]

i think in the one 2 years prior

[fresh crane]

<@&481447501690568709> why is this pfp allowed?

[gleaming apex]

kawazaki_jept was banned.

[scenic hazel]

cant wait to see what buffs e50m going to receive, eventhough no one asked for that

[twin egret]

More armour buffs, and a gun buff iirc

[remote sluice]

gets reactive armor, armor buff, dpm buff, shell speed nerf

[ancient rampart]

Damn thing is practically a E 75 at this point

[scenic hazel]

directly buffed to strongest mt wth

[barren goblet]

Age of yoloing e50m is coming

[junior gate]

I hate when they nerf shell velocity on vehicles

[twin egret]

Tbh pre-pbr e 50m was

But WG changed the lower plate so it isn't at auto-bounce at certain angles as well as making it HESH-able

[tough trout]

Might we get somewhat descent pen for STRV K? I mean 310 on apcr for a heavy is kind of ridiculous. At this point, I think, this tank is just a worse t95e6.

[stone drum]

Fr, its so cringe.

[junior gate]

It’s a canon not a potato launcher

[stone drum]

WG: Oh nice standard APCR shell you got there, here's 840 m/s shell velocity, slower shell velocity than every comparable AP shell.

[twin egret]

just run supercharge or lead your shots better

[fresh crane]

Turn on auto aim, it will lead the shots for you

[twin egret]

autoaim is iffy tbh and only works decently with shells that have good shell velocity from short to medium range on tanks that are going near-perpendicular. At longer ranges you'll struggle more, but less if your shell velocity is faster than the norm, allowing your reticle to still say "inside" the autoaim box more.

[fresh crane]

It's fine, as long as you have at leat 800 shell velocity it will aim right, watch hrf livestreams

[twin egret]

What about for fast tanks
At large distances

[fresh crane]

Still pretty decent, better than almost all players can

[twin egret]

I meant the reticle/autoaim xd, not his skill

[stone drum]

Congratulations, the point flew over your head like an unguided missile.

[merry pelican]

make T110E5 lose weight cause the tank lose armor on the hull that why the tank really slow then before.

[thorny timber]

this is probably the tenth time you've said this about e5

its not even that heavy and has alright mobility for its weight

[merry pelican]

hull buff to 254 get 5 ton weight,
but right now the hull only 211 and not losing weight.....

[thorny timber]

terrain crossing capacity and turret traverse speed were improved.

[stone drum]

I cannot recall a single time in the history of the game inwhich a tank had its armour reduced and subsequently had its weight reduced in the same update.

[ember idol]

T-54 somehow managed to gain armour yet reduced weight during the last tier 9 rebalance

Truly Soviet space magic

[lavish violet]

I lost my main account it was 6 year old account devs please help all I did is to switch my account then i couldn't get back

[fickle shoal]

truly our form of belkan witchcraft

[ancient field]

did you create a password?

[lavish violet]

it was linked with my Google account

[cinder shard]

I hate to be that guy, but this is the balance-discussion =/
I'd reccomend contancting the WoTB support or disconnecting and looking for a 'log in with google'-button if you have access to that Google-Account

[rugged lantern]

Buff e5 turret 🤓

[twin egret]

so, skill issue?

[dapper zenith]

it gained turret armour but also received a front hull nerf i believe , not to say that more armour, more speed doesn't happen elsewhere

[stone drum]

This is about balance & low velocity APCR being both useless & cringe.

[native folio]

Add Euro light tank line.

[subtle salmon]

Or german Light

[odd night]

vz55 needs buff

[nocturne mauve]

Remove tungsten from Jg

[muted cobalt]

don’t buff E50M

[scenic hazel]

Wg balancers do not care

[granite palm]

when pbr fv215b? and E6? anyone knows?

[thorny timber]

we don't

[twin egret]

Tanks are chosen at random on getting PBR. We don't usually hear about tanks that are planned to get PBR models until weeks later after an update happens. Rare cases would be like 4 months ago when WG announced the tanks planned to get PBR in the next update and the update after that, or a few months more back when they announced the tanks to receive pbr days after an update happened

[verbal leaf]

make vz55 meta

[muted rampart]

Before the end of this year probably all T10 tanks will already have PBR, or at least vast majority of them. Just be patient

[granite palm]

Thx bro

[primal mortar]

Rhm pzw is useless and not Interesting for blitz

[sudden island]

not a popular suggestion. They should buff E-10 alpha to 460 or 500 alpha instead whacky 400 only.

Or

Decrease its reload time. tank is so pointless

[stone drum]

Why would it deserve 500 alpha at tier 7?

[scenic hazel]

bro gonna bring up smasher

[ornate warren]

Ah hell naw

[thorny timber]

the tank is fine as it is rn,nothing else to change anymore

way less boring than it used to be (for a meta tank that is)

[sudden island]

bcoz it stated that the tank carry 140mm gun

[ancient rampart]

They're not going to give the E-10 more alpha than tier 8 heavies

[stone drum]

What you are suggesting is largely unviable, 400 alpha is already a massive slap at tier 7, if that were increased to 500 alpha it would be necessary to significantly nerf the reload & accuracy to compensate.

[fresh crane]

It was originally planned to be 560 ... but thankfully they changed it. The only problem is that it should at least get better mobility (power to weight ratio)

[unique scaffold]

nerf the stb to oblivion

[fresh crane]

Yessir

[fickle shoal]

just for something else to be overbuffed beyond belief

wait hold on E50m...

[torpid wraith]

Wargaming won’t stop, till not even the hori can pen the e50m

[lime wren]

Guys do you know what this maximum means?

[cinder shard]

Maximum dispersion?

[rugged lantern]

they could nerf e50m in the next update

[lime wren]

That’s what I’m thinking, but then how do those moving dispersions work?
Or does it just mean the upper limit of dispersions

[cinder shard]

Max is probably tank on the move + traverse + turret traverse + gun damaged and after a shot

[lime wren]

But if you change the vstabs, accuracy, food, crew etc, that number doesn’t change

[viscid maple]

The xm tank destoyer needs too get worse armour asap i have it and i have 3k average on it with full hp

[dapper zenith]

how many battles?

[ancient rampart]

Mediums can go right through it's gun mantlet

[viscid maple]

Like 8

[dapper zenith]

nice, its just hasn't been around enough for players to figure out how to fight it, if they're fighting you face on that's on them, the armour falls apart with any kind of angles

[viscid maple]

No its pretty much only if they see the bump on ur back otherwise its to op in my opinion

[ancient rampart]

You have a pennable gun mantlet and a very obvious weakpoint on your turret
and the Cupolas

[rugged lantern]

I think its balanced

[viscid maple]

So ppl just caca at the game

[ancient rampart]

what?

[twin egret]

I made an xm66f player angry for exploiting the gun Manlet weak spot in a medium... The tank itself is pretty balanced but really lackluster at times esp for that encounter I had

[frigid sapphire]

Do not nerf xm66f's rear🙏🙏

[fickle shoal]

suggesting there's anything left to nerf there

[sudden island]

just my recomendation.

I think WG should put some sort of tutorial notes (perhaps with images) during the que loading screen. Just like some other games out there. This is to help educate new player and improve game experience. We all hate looking at the pointless que loading screen for 3 minutes straight especially when u are in platoon.

[wicked quest]

They still do this btw and they used to

[dapper zenith]

it was in the game before, tips scrolled across the bottom of queue wait, but it didn't go deep into mechanics

[sudden island]

@wicked quest never saw one. lol. But they have to make one so new player can understand this is not a typical first person shooter or fifa game where reaction/clutch is all that matter to win the game.

Imagine until today, WG never explain to the new player that the six sense only popped up after 3 second u get spotted.

dont let me start with the bush or camo mechanic. or the role of each tanks (not just their type). ie; not all TD are sniper TD, and not all heavies can do a good frontline breakthrough role.

Same goes to what is hulldown and side scrapping. Jeez. wotblitz seems intentionally let player become dofos in this game.

[dapper zenith]

i dint know what kind of tutorial they have now but i doubt it does anything other than fire/move/and ammo types.

[sudden island]

Am afraid instead of putting tutorials, they will put shop offers lol.

[sullen flame]

The armor is not that broken, maybe only thing crazy of the xm is the dispersion

[lilac sage]

@viscid maple Bud there other tank with stronger armor on the turret like vk 90.0 (P)

[arctic storm]

Real

[primal mortar]

It has more dpm than most mediums combined with the good armor its great sure, but its slow and cant turn the turret fully so its balanced

[jovial tide]

Buff Vindicator, Its useless

[stone drum]

The dispersion isnt even good.

[sullen flame]

Yea it is, especially on movement dispersion. You can easily hit anything even if you’re moving so the snap shots are usually insane with the xm

[glacial sonnet]

Was all the fun mode so rigged

[oblique mountain]

nuh uh

[unique scaffold]

Any tips for ramming with ram panzer ? I just feel it’s a bit slow for something litteraly dedicated for a ramming tank

[jolly venture]

its only rammable in fun modes with the speed boost

[wicked quest]

You do know it’s not for ramming right it’s for clearing the name is literally “clearing tank”

[devout otter]

hola

[rough sandal]

probably the maxium possible bloom that the gun can have

[lilac sage]

Minotauro turret needs buff 240 to weak make it 250 at least

[polar girder]

It already forces them to use pramo

[lilac sage]

@polar girder No it needs a turret buff

[polar girder]

It already has enough turret armor, it forces them to use pramo as said its a pramo eater

[frigid sapphire]

Ah yes

Make a braindead tank even more braindead than it is.

[fickle shoal]

now give it a fully rotating turret and reverse autoreloader 🔥

[lilac sage]

@polar girder Lisen here little dude the turret can be pen buy 300 alpha gun it need to be buffed to 250

[polar girder]

Its made to force people to shoot pramo it’s already one of the most armoured frontally tanks because of that its atleast 300mm about everywhere frontally mot including hatches.

[thorny roost]

The 1st learn to play it, before you cry for buffs...

[cyan vessel]

Why is Sheridan Rocketry worth 10 gold?

[clear shuttle]

to prevent people getting free 7.5k gold for a gamemode and tr only tier 10

[scenic hazel]

visual bug, u get 10k gold if u sell it

[hidden jewel]

Lol nice try...

[frigid sapphire]

Literally just STB

[rose ledge]

Lmao

[thorny roost]

Buff type 58 chinese tier 6. It is a terrible stuff.

[uneven turtle]

Nuh uh, use WT strat

Break their tracks and go around the mino

[twin egret]

<@&481447501690568709> Russian nude bot ^

[gleaming apex]

01beluga10 was banned.

[frigid sapphire]

Mino's tracks literally gets fixed at light speeds.

[crisp fable]

The Smasher have too fast reolad do more damage than the kv2 and have a Lot of armor

[ember idol]

They deal the same amount of damage unless you're playing on Lesta

[muted rampart]

Smasher is just too accurate. Reload is fine

[crisp fable]

But is sþill a nightmare

[brave dragon]

This channel is for tank balance only.
Please send your idea in #off-topic-discussion
@frail river

[vague fiber]

What do you mean? Not good armour

[scenic olive]

Wg pls dont nerf chieftain gun in any way😭😭

[hushed pulsar]

Do we need to discuss the 113GFT Nerf anymore?

[stone drum]

Given your intentionally trying to prevent skewed data, I would think so.

[dapper zenith]

do fun modes and ranked add to battles even thought they don't change WR? that's the only thing that could explain that photo

[lilac sage]

@thorny roost Lisen here bud its nat called crying im speacking facts

[thorny roost]

There are worse tanks than you mentioned which needs a focus.

[nocturne mauve]

Nerf jagdtiger

[uneven turtle]

Majority of people would disagree that mino needs a buff

If you’re begging for a buff on a simple yet strong tank to play, it’s called crying

[fickle shoal]

i can que up with that thing after being up two nights in a row and running on pure adrenaline and caffeine and pull 3k avg in it, such a brain dead tank

[nocturne mauve]

Jagdtiger needs an armour nerf and no tungsten

[dapper zenith]

remove tungsten thats fine, but nerfing the armour would hurt its play style, it needs to bounce most standard frontally(when its slightly angled) or it will suffer a lot

[lilac sage]

@dapper zenith i agree there

I think ho ri or WZ-113G FT

[twin egret]

Both of those tanks need reactive armor removed imo

[lilac sage]

@twin egret They also need a penetration's nerf

[fickle shoal]

someone tell this guy what this thing in the middle is

[modern heart]

useful but not mandatory

[fickle shoal]

he's perhaps just living in a simpler time, pre reply spam times.

[nova latch]

Anyone know what is the buff changes to the grille 15?

[terse cairn]

dmg buff???

[ember idol]

No specific info is out yet

[crisp fable]

Nerf the smasher and buff archer

[nimble zodiac]

Yeah, archer. Uh huh.

[uneven turtle]

That and making 113gft more susceptible to prammo

[plucky mantle]

sad about the nerf announced for the Vk72, it doesn't have as much mobility to unbalance regular matches

kv-jr tier 9 has less preciousness, HE penetretion and damage per minute than smahser in tier 7

[thorny timber]

it probably has to be buffed in a way where the ufp is resistant to 270-290 standard on flat ground

and hulldown it can only max bounce 320-330mm prammo

[narrow terrace]

Wz gft needs less armor, mobility and bo reactive armor. Basically make it like it was before the meta change last year. It wasn't a bad tank before. Never understood why noone played the tank back then.

[twin egret]

Players still view the nation as a "copy paste" tech tree

[narrow terrace]

Some tanks are but that isnt a bad thing imo

[barren goblet]

Same as if they give e50m reactive. Not thinking very hard.

[stone drum]

What

[potent lichen]

Strv k needs buff

It needs more accuracy And armour. Its Gold pen is really bad as wellwell

[unique scaffold]

The Obj. 260 needs a large buff in its hull front armor from 136 to 160 mm and a light nerf of mobility (50 > 48 km/h in front , 20 > 18 km/h back)

It can be very pleasant to see this tank more often in our games

[fickle shoal]

it doesn't really need either of those, just give it ap standard, and a slight buff to the turret

[unique scaffold]

Its hull is a huge weakness and if it's turret was more armored we would see a loss in the cannon’s accuracy which is one of it's advantages

[cinder shard]

Honestly
I liked the old version way more =/
It was something special, decent turret armor, weak hull but good speed and accuracy.
Now it just feels similar to the IS4 or a faster but less armored IS7

[unique scaffold]

Today it’s only a nerfed version of the old is-7 when it was bad

[stone drum]

Cook not again, foolish padawan.

[tribal compass]

Helo

[quasi cloak]

"#tank-balance-discussion" we all knew Wargaming doesnt give a crap after they added the smasher and annihilator.

[remote oriole]

After? XD

[unique scaffold]

They does alteady exist for several years XD u need an update

[fickle shoal]

they gave a crap at one point? news to me.

[lime wren]

I don’t like how they change certain tanks just to shift the meta, and it happens too often

[lilac sage]

Broken tank returns that has not been nerfed for years annihilator will return august 2 for free In the event

[prisma jetty]

It won’t be free

[muted rampart]

It won't be free at all. This event will be p2w

[craggy garnet]

What about tiger 1 armour?

[barren goblet]

Its already overbuffed beyond any historical value. It has 160+ effective everywhere, tiger p is easier to pen for tier 6-7 meds than tiger h

[lilac sage]

@muted rampart it will be free you have to grind to get it and it is free

[barren goblet]

I doubt it. Highly unlikely you will get smasher or annihilator in free2play event

[lilac sage]

@barren goblet you will look and watch the trailer

[muted rampart]

No, you will not get it for free. I did watch the trailer, this event is known to be p2w for a long time now

[uneven turtle]

Could never imagine it being f2p lol

[barren goblet]

I watched video of my favorite person in the universe, legendary Droodles. Its pretty clear smasher and annihilator arent in f2p part of event, they will need money to unlock. And new Halloween tank seems awful.

[oblique mountain]

Ragebait fs

[stone drum]

Its funny how tiger 1 is effectively a fat, slower tier 8 medium.

[hushed pulsar]

Gravedigger will be free it’s event is the Same principle as the Elefant event

[muted rampart]

Not even that much slower, it is just an equivalent of a weaker T8 medium

[uneven turtle]

No light or mt can out traverse it which is wild

Can’t even do it with a drac

Maybe m41d

[nimble zodiac]

Woah hold on. We're still talking about a Tiger I here?

[ember idol]

A bit of an exaggeration there

[uneven turtle]

You’re welcome to try it

You can never outrun the gun

[wispy zinc]

Out traverse what

[uneven turtle]

Tiger one

If you’d bothered to read and find context you would have known

[ebon lynx]

All in-game Tigers (not counting the T6 ones) are.
From having more armor than the real ones did to the guns.
The long 88 actually has less pen than it would have, but that's the least of problems, 203 is above average in T7.

[uneven turtle]

Tiger 1 max modules has 40+ degrees at base(not factoring in turret traverse)

Now add equipment and provisions to that

Then factor in the turret traverse

That’s 70+ degrees of total traverse for the gun

Try circling that

You wish you actually did

[wispy zinc]

Oh easy I have easily out traversed heck I sometimes don't need to

[stone drum]

It looses a not inconsiderable amount of hp/t, which is really its only limiting factor.

[ancient rampart]

I've circled tigers in the Bulldog before
it's not impossible

[uneven turtle]

I’ll buy the Tiger 1 another time

Rn I’m locked in for my exams

[terse cairn]

It needs 7 deg gun depression so that it can go hulldown nicely

[unique scaffold]

Years bat if the tank has juste a lil more hull and turret armor and also a real 260mm pen it would be a pleasure

[terse cairn]

It needs AP standard, 7 deg gun depression and a bit more turret armor .................. no need to nerf its mobility which is its main advantage

[unique scaffold]

Hmmm ... but we really need to see a real 260mm pen gun because actually it’s very hard to pen a tank as the E 100 in the front and an ammunition buff with also a buff of pen in it's golds (actually 312mm pen only) should be an opportunity to have a competitive tank

[stone drum]

Give it the BL-9 gun.

[desert hamlet]

Is there any relief for the t49 derp gun?? It struggles a lot in terms of efficiency.. Especially against HT no pen. Dispersion, aim time and shell velocity too insanely crazy!!

[unique scaffold]

How much does the gravedigger sell for?

[desert hamlet]

Yes but when ur trying to grind 170k exp twice for t92 and for t54e1.. it kinda makes u cry.. takes too long to aim. The time it takes to aim, panther has shot and reloaded again.. 😭

[fickle shoal]

it could use at least an apcr standard round like the 92e1 and Sheri, as much as it's a "meme gun" the 90mm just sucks, and having the low pen on the heat + it's hatred of spaced armor makes the 152 equally sucky

[desert hamlet]

Exactly brother!

[barren goblet]

90mm is better but lacking on dpm. Derp gun is objectively bad. I can accept it's meme tank some people play for fun, but being unable to deal damage from side because of tracks and heat shells, awful accuracy and 5000 credits per HE shell is terrible.

[ancient rampart]

and there's people who try to say the T49 isn't garbage

[remote sluice]

T49 kinda fell off lately ngl

[limpid galleon]

Fr

[bronze vector]

Why is Carro 45t getting nerfed? The only reason it's performing so good is because pro players like it

[fickle shoal]

it's getting nerfed for bad players but buffed for good players.

that's not really saying "nerf" more as "changing it to work better in the hands of those who can use it"

[bronze vector]

What's the buff? I only saw dpm nerf and Aim Time Nerf and I don't see how that improves the tank

[fickle shoal]

there's been no official information outside of what appears to be Lesta's rebalance and then the leaked on the nose changes, so what saw likely won't apply to WG servers, and only Lesta, or are just fake.

[bronze vector]

Well I really hope you are right because the tank does not need a nerf, the mobility is mediocre, the dpm is barely workable, the gun trolls too much and it has no armor, the only reason why it has good stats as I mentioned is because of pro players

[barren goblet]

Pro players dont like carro because of derpy gun tbh. Better you are, more you value gun reliability.

[scenic olive]

Aeson said that a similar change is going to happen to the chieftain mk6 but I can only see this meaning an armor nerf which sounds dumb to me because it will just become a less mobile t95e6, unlessss the buff that it gets is insane like 3400 dpm or the armor nerf is minor.

[spring crystal]

why does Endurance exist?

[magic topaz]

CS 63 is ugly tank so... isnt better to use cs 53 turret and cs 59 chasis and make it the new cs 63? this combination could make the cs 63 be one of the best looking tanks of the game. pls devs make it happen 🙏

[nocturne mauve]

Nerf Jg line

[ancient rampart]

Why
Only the Jagdtiger and Jageroo are good

[nocturne mauve]

And the jagdpanther, I think they should all get an armour nerf and no tungsten

[ancient rampart]

The Jagdpanther does not need a nerf lol

[native folio]

This has been bugging me forever.

[dapper zenith]

fix them in what way? like make them hit boxes or what do you mean

[native folio]

Holes in hit box, behind the spaced parts, it annoys me, just put main armor hitboxes in those holes.

[nimble zodiac]

That's just spaced armor taking place of main armor. There's still main armor there

[ancient rampart]

They’re not holes

It’s spaced armor

[native folio]

Why is it spaced tho?

[fickle shoal]

those are optics for the tank which for whatever reason aren't being used, (probably why the thing is so inaccurate lol), and left side one has primary armor behind it anyways

[nimble zodiac]

This is the only hole in the profile that reasonably would get shot through. The rest are only hit from higher elevations

[barren goblet]

Whats shooting at t22?

[dapper zenith]

it looks like someone just changed the angle of the tank and took another screenshot, is it supposed ti highlight the front armour?

[nimble zodiac]

I think they did that just to show how effective the armor may be in the planned change.

[dapper zenith]

on ok

ya probably, its just messing with my eyes i guess

[twin egret]

so i'm guessing they're just reverting the armour angle adjustment nerfs it got in like update 8.# and giving it more armor on top of it

[twin egret]

FV215b needs a slight view range buff bec I find it stupid that it has less than some TDs
for reason it in WG's logic, "it makes sense" for it to have less view range than an FV215b 183

[silent echo]

Give 60tp 5mm of extra pen or improve the accuracy by 0.20

[nimble zodiac]

Improving the accuracy by 0.2 would make it the most accurate tank in the game 😂

Or do you mean aiming time?

[graceful epoch]

I. Have a question

[hollow orbit]

where armor
where teammates
where anything
driving minotauro is suffering

[quasi cloak]

Skill issue

[hollow orbit]

this tank in stock is just trash

[naive venture]

What gamemode you been playing in

[scenic olive]

Chieftain with hesh is gonna go crazy. Just hope they don’t nerf the armor too bad if they do.

[dull tide]

Relatable name

[scenic olive]

Bro what are these balance changes, Sheridan gets alpha/speed buff but Leo 1 gets mobility nerf and 7 degrees of gun depression 🤦‍♂️. I’m praying like 90% don’t actually come to the game🙏

[knotty hill]

i’m wondering if the changes currently circulating online are true

[remote sluice]

im just hoping chieftain hesh is true

[knotty hill]

i didn’t see WG post any official
announcements.

[unique scaffold]

Wg: lets universally reduce the accuracy of almost all tanks and butcher more skill based tanks (Leo and 30b)

[scenic olive]

Aeson is a pretty reliable source, and all of these changes aren’t final, at least I hope they aren’t, to me it looks like the majority of these changes are just nerfs with a few exceptions. Then they decided to just slap special consumables and provisions on everything for funsies.

[knotty hill]

fine can u invite me to his discord channel？

[scenic olive]

Leo is gonna be in shambles if these changes happen, at least the 30b still has gun depression 😭 @unique scaffold

[lime wren]

And Leo isn’t even strong atm..

[cinder shard]

I really don't like the Mk6 changes.
Replacing Apcr with Hesh and giving it 470 alpha would basically force it to be a heavy 4202, which it might lack a bit of mobility for.
The changes I'd suggest is to make the Hesh gun into a second gun-choice. Some slight adjustments to the regular gun could be made to compensate for the other changes, but the Hesh-gun should at least get a little bit more pen. Even the 4202 has 210mm stock.

[barren goblet]

Its would become a super heavium with gear oil , tungsten and hesh. On some maps, will be monster fighting against other meds.

[muted rampart]

4202 just got completely clowned on for the 3rd rebalance in a row 😆

🤡🤡🤡

Changes overall aren't that bad, but the fact that they've managed to kill 4202 even more is just funny to me

[scenic olive]

clearly Leo is overpowered and broken. Honestly while there at it, give it 5 degrees of gd

[twin egret]

"what hesh gun? Never heard of the L7B gun"

[verbal tartan]

Guys hello. Where I can see the rebalanced tanks?

[lilac sage]

Grille 15 need its 600 alpha damage back

[hollow orbit]

standard gamemode
stock - i mean 50-75% crew
and not much equipment

[naive venture]

Grind tanks in fun game modes

[hollow orbit]

i do that
but standard game mode is also fun to just play

[narrow raft]

what balance got vk 72

[tame stirrup]

what balances did the vk 72 get?
(pasted from aeson server)
+PBR
+Model/armor change
+1 second reload
-0.02 turret disp rotation
-4mm pen on all shells

[narrow raft]

tysm

[vapid swallow]

I don't think the updates circulating are true

[lilac sage]

What update are we on for tank nerfs or buffs

[cinder shard]

The source is pretty reliable on leaks tbh, but those changes are only in the the first phase. Some things might still change and some tanks might be added to the list.

[viral harbor]

I think carro 45t just need little bit accuracy on movement but gear oil make the tank super fast now, I liked

[stone drum]

Where was it posted at?

[uneven turtle]

Could you send me the image of the changes in dms

[barren goblet]

I don't know how to interpret it, Aeson removed all the tank changes from his discord. They are still on Reddit and can be found around , but real question is was it wargaming pressure or some concerns about accuracy of the content itself.

[prisma jetty]

It was not over concerns of the accuracy, everything given out was accurate

[clear shuttle]

ive seen 2 slightly different versions now 💀

[solemn matrix]

i don't think leopard 1 should be cut again，it has been weak enough since it only has -8° angle

[solar idol]

ah yeah nerf the vk72 while the vk90 stays strong lol it's clear wg wants us to get more colls 🤡

[prisma jetty]

VK 90 is getting one of its biggest weaknesses, its traverse, nerfed lmao

[lilac sage]

@prisma jetty that tank dead now

[solemn matrix]

VK7201（K）in this game version isn't strong

[uneven turtle]

The new changes have some good and much needed buffs for certain tanks

But I don’t see the current meta tanks being nerfed

Stb gains 0.4 sec reload which is something but why even buff the speed

And I don’t even see wz 113g ft or bc changes?

I haven’t seen aesons since I’m not in his dc

But I’ve seen what was given in blitzpost

[solemn matrix]

VK7201 armor isn't reliable now，because everyone has 340+ penetration now！Also，vk7201 has a big weakness---its track is too weak to bear enermies' shot。

[prisma jetty]

Its incredibly strong right now

[solemn matrix]

but it has weakness either，i think that WG should make those weak tanks much more strong rather than make those strong tanks become weak

[sharp wave]

does that really make a difference, you can either nerf the strong tanks or power creep them, creeps is annoying imo because some tanks will just get forgotten and left behind and it will just change the meta to whatever tanks just creeped them, atleast nerfs keep everything around a middle

[fallow crypt]

Is there any exact balance now?

[random saffron]

guys what mechanic will put in obj 260 any idea?

[boreal cedar]

Did wg touched Gft or nah?

[merry pelican]

Combat Stabilization

[dusty sphinx]

Ong

[sharp forge]

When Will the new balance update Will be take place?

[severe pumice]

May be after season 4, season 5 update begin we be last aug after season 4 ended

[random saffron]

nice

[uneven flame]

how to view it?

[graceful forum]

where did you got the post? Can I see it ?

[wary harness]

Chieftain mk 6 rebalance?

[scenic hazel]

260 users think their tank is as strong as e6 rn

[feral scroll]

What ever happened to the poll channel where we could upvote and downvote upcoming tank changes?

[lilac sage]

@feral scroll good idea

[feral scroll]

I ain’t a business CEO or community specialist, but maybe seeing what your community wants is good for business?
Idk 🤷‍♂️

[sudden island]

it will become more like an assault td lol

he posted all these infos in his discord. but then deleted all of them. we dont know why.. but then his dc mods say as long the infos are out, mission accomplished. @uneven turtle

[hot bison]

183 is getting nerfed with this one 🔥

[lilac sage]

Not really

[tiny elk]

Where to get that ?

[hot bison]

Idk like 183 aiming time is already worse

[plain dirge]

The changelog is posted on Blitzpost for all the people who were asking

[scenic hazel]

nerfs and buffs when

[scenic hazel]

Ah i see thanks, but they changed mk6 play style how interesting

[stone drum]

That is profoundly disturbing.

[velvet pewter]

Wargaming nerfing tanks players paid for

[barren pebble]

Please rename Concept 1 B in c1barbecue

[hexed grotto]

ayo Wat da heck WG nerfing Vk 72 turret, its somehow holding against td and now ya all making it paper why 😦 ? Ans becaz in comp vk 72 and 90 were both used but 72 was more, that is no money. Money is VK 90 yay!. 😦 And you ain't touching cheat tank 113gft. Ans - Tourney tank cant do anything hehe. Forgot to mention 50B why ?? can't make it more playable but increasing aiming time 😦

[unique scaffold]

The game not understood that the Obj. 260 needs a better depression and they nerf their turret rotation XD

[uneven turtle]

I’ve come to the absolute conclusion that wg just uses a lucky wheel to see which stats they should buff or nerf

1st step, roll the wheel for the tank

2nd step, roll the wheel to be buff or nerf

3rd step, roll the wheel to see which aspects of the tank should be changed

4th step, use a random number generator

[hexed grotto]

For real man, those tank changes notes doesn't make any sense, I mean what are those changes ??? If I have to or any player with common sense has to write about those changes it would be about 500-600 word long document only criticizing them with minute things about 10-20 words to praise for.

[gloomy anchor]

uh what 💀 -62 turret front armor 💀

[umbral socket]

Why the ... would they nerf the Vk 72 but buff the VK 90....💀
This is ridiculous

[worldly delta]

Was chief getting more broken?

[wicked quest]

Chief got butchered hard

[scenic hazel]

just play like 152mm bz 75 but less armor

would assume its a huge change for skilled players cuz old chieftain was pretty mid and boring ngl

[vocal dawn]

T110 E4, a tank that needed an urgent buff and they nerfed it more. world of scam 👎🏻

[stark vale]

Do wg really have a plan to remove america from tech? I feels like they have the most meh vehicle in the game. Teir 10 researchable tank for example
M6YOH: good gun dispersion and accuracy but mobility is not that good
T57: it's ok but have a long time to unload and reload so you have to expose you tank to fight more frequent but still good by compensated with inter-clip reload booster
E5: kinda good on hills but no red booster is very painful to play
E4: no more booster week Amored and painful to grine since America have no accuracy for TDs from teir 7 to 10
E3: kinda fun tho but again painful grinding bad accuracy
M48: The most medium tank in this game it's just meh due to every ability on it's own
XM551 sherridan: good dmg but they nerf spoting range for what

[stone drum]

T57 most certainly does not take a long time to unload.

[stark vale]

I know I just owned them before it got a buff but I feel like the turret are jus as weak as before it got a buff

[unique scaffold]

They also nerfed the aim tume of the AMX 50 B which is constantly nerfed since 2022

[weary field]

Don't worry. The armour is getting nerfed from 200 to 138. The only part of the VK turret i looked at that is 200 is the sides of the gun mount, which are invisible when looking at an opponent. It shouldn't make a difference in combat. The cheeks are 172 base thickness so they count as part of the sides so they won't get nerfed. That's my understanding of it

[clear shuttle]

the yoh and t57 alone are already cracked tanks

[ornate shuttle]

with the newcoming update changes, it is clear to me that WG "balance team" is really just randomly changing all parameters back and forth throwing random stuff at the wall and see what sticks...
i see 0 direction or purpose in all these changes, completely random except for a few (too small) needed buffs on some Weak tanks like m54

[ionic egret]

<@&481447501690568709> profanity

[uneven turtle]

Well it seems the only ideal way to play wotb now is to have only bc 25t, stb1, wz113ft and t110e5 in matchups now

[stone drum]

Nah, theyll probably get absolutely hammered into oblivion.

[mortal fjord]

They nerf the kpz???

[timber night]

buff

[misty grotto]

St emil should do less damage

[barren goblet]

Gun is all it has. Nashorn and emil are kind of tanks that struggle on small blitz maps.

[stiff solstice]

So just remove 4 of the best tanks all together. Yoh, T57, Sheridan and E5?

[remote sluice]

me logging back into this sub after a few days just to see ppl wanting to remove american tanks 💀 whats wrong w those bruh they’re fantastic

[white jay]

WG messing up and pissing off the community day 1096 🗣️🗣️

[tropic knoll]

Why can’t wg just leave the tanks the same bruh, no need for all the changes. And can’t believe they changed all the premium tanks to collectors just to nerf them, even tho it was said that they will never nerf premiums. So the solution was just to change them to collectors and nerf them anyway. Crazy stuff

[desert relic]

That's... really specific

[narrow raft]

and germans in specific pls?

[muted rampart]

It was never said that they will never nerf premiums

Also T10 premiums were never premiums, they were enriched standard tanks. This is a different thing

[silent echo]

I never thought i would see an is4 overtaking an is7

[bronze vector]

Yes they did say premiums would never be nerfed

[prisma jetty]

Where?

[umbral socket]

Oh mah, they nerf IS7 already

[nimble zodiac]

Well I guess it's fair now that IS-4 has a much weaker armor profile

[muted rampart]

No, they didn't. This is a common missconception both in WoT and WoTB.

And even if they would say something like that, license agreement still allows them to nerf premiums. So even if they would say that nothing would be stopping them from still doing it

Not nerfing premiums is just their good will towards customers, but in the long run it hurts the game as a whole

[umbral socket]

Does someone know what exactly gonna be buffed about the E50?

[heavy minnow]

True

It's getting buffed?

[umbral socket]

Give SU-76I HE with good pen

[sharp stream]

Can we please encourage Wargaming to buff the 60TPs HE shells cause 720 average with HE on a heavy with 630 alpha is kind of a pain, just like buff it to 930 damage, that's fair

[uneven turtle]

Just a reminder that vk72 has a 900 alpha HE

And it has tungsten

I welcome you to pull it up

[umbral socket]

Same on sheridan, yet NO ONE wanma see them buffy sheridan HE 😭

[sharp stream]

Or the Ho-Ri, imagine the pain it would reign 😭

[uneven turtle]

560 alpha to 640 is typically 152mm

Skoda t56 is 130 mm which has a alpha range of 440-470

And 640 HE alpha is pretty common among 130mm

PS you rarely use HE in hori since it’s the standard and prammo that is its selling point

[rigid fractal]

your math is off, thats 110 less

[hushed ermine]

send me all the changes pls

[narrow raft]

right bc only got nerf in speed only then

[ashen scarab]

Is there anywhere I can see tier 10 rebalance leaks?

[wet iron]

Tomorow are my birtday

[brazen sleet]

American tanks are really strong in every way.
M48 Patton is arguably the best medium with really good dpm and on move accuracy plus insane turret armor. Only downside is mobility.
T110E4 has insane dpm and turret armor and really good power to weight. Only downside is reverse speed.
T110E5 has solid dpm plus really good armor and insane accuracy and mobility and pen. Only downside is reverse speed.
M-VI-Yoh has an insane clip of 900 dmg in 1.7 sec plus reticle cali and decent mobility and decent dpm. Only downside is accuracy but reticle cali cancels it out.
T57 HEAVY does 1200 dmg in 3.8 seconds with shell reload boost plus troll armor and solid dpm. Problems are mediocre mobility and reverse.
T110E3 is kind of mid but still has really good armor and alpha. Problems are awful tracks and poor dpm and awful mobility and reverse. But Improved engine boost makes you reverse at 18
XM551 Sheridan has an accurate gun for its alpha plus spaced armor and really really good mobility and good gun depression. Only problem is view range.
All American tanks are extremely good and the jack-of-all-trades (Except the Sheridan).
And what even is a "red booster?"

[dapper zenith]

the m48 has only been good recently, it was near the bottom for t10 meds for a long time and the e5 has been up and its been down.

[brazen sleet]

i feel like the cs 63 will be broken next update knowing wg and how they balance tanks

[remote sluice]

if u have seen the patch notes, no, it’ll be better but far from broken

[twin egret]

Ngl the carro changes on penetration are big nerfs for the tank
The APCR on the tank allows it to punish heavy tanks harder than what's typically seen by mediums

[mint ibex]

That’s because a T10-equivalent gun at t8 would be broken

[analog badger]

It should have 960 like all 150mm guns lol

[sharp stream]

Yes excatly!

[shell thistle]

idk why they are nerfing prog 65, its not like its overperforming in any parameter. german mt changes were just straight up dumb and so random. 50m more armor and more dpm? 50t with massively improved aim time? leo with 4* less of traverse and lost a chunk of dpm just for 2kph reverse and the adaptive conceal (can be useful but 300 dpm is way better)

[twin egret]

surprisingly only 3 other tanks beside the skoda, that strictly have a 130mm gun, and only have 450 alpha on the regular ammo, sre the amx m4 54, the regressor,and the BZ-58-2. If you want to include tanks that are close to 130mm, only the CC 1 Mk. 2 enters the list

the only tanks with a 130mm(or close to 130mm) and have less alpha are the WZ-114 5A, (440) Type 5 Ka-Ri (440), and the E-10(390) 💀.
Every other remaining tank with a 130mm or close to it has 460 alpha

[desert relic]

No, it's more of a myth made to cope in Blitz.
They more or less stated this during the very early updates of WoT PC, while Blitz didn't exist yet. They've never mentioned it again but since we did never see a premium nerf in PC again, people assumed it was still something and that it should also be the case for Blitz. (It's not, also WG broke several similar promises so yeah 🤷)
Also, as pietrek mentioned, tier X "collectors/premiums" aren't considered premiums

Wait wait wait...
Where is WZ-113G FT? Did I miss a page?

[shrewd crag]

E 10 has a 140mm gun.
Which suppose to have 530 alpha but WG nerfed it.
I wish they would buff the alpha in the future.

[twin egret]

it has other gun types

[shrewd crag]

Well yeah and it implies to all of its gun variants.
I guess it would be like 480/500 with the 3rd gun it had.
Still it's quite disappointing that they really chipped the fun part out of the E 10 which was the high alpha.
I mean The E100 has the highest alpha for a ht and here's E10 with similar alpha similar to Russian hts. Aleast they should have kept like 460/480 dmg on the top gun.

[muted rampart]

Changes to some tanks still weren't leaked.

Whatever is leaked still isn't a full changelist

[oak merlin]

erm actually E-10 has a 140mm gun with 400 alpha 🤓

[stone drum]

eh... not exactly

[stone drum]

Its not supposed to "have" any specific alpha, as no such other gun exists to compare it to.

[shrewd crag]

It stupid that a 140mm has 400 alpha where a 122mm has 400, 128mm has 460. It's not ok that a high calibre gun has such mid alpha

[stone drum]

Given that it can take away half of multiple mediums HP & a third of some heavies hitpool, I would say it's plenty accurate. For all intents & purposes it is a 120mm gun with extra overmatch ability.

[whole flame]

honestly slap a 150mm gun on a tier III heavy and let it one shot other tier III tanks

[wet iron]

It's my birtday

[thorny timber]

not really related to the channel, but happy birthday lad

[wind summit]

ehm..........and 5A still didn't get the upper frontal armor buff, instead they buff its hull rotate and dispersion.........
ugh.........not gonna change how much 5A gonna deal with mt/lt normal shell

[solar idol]

yeah thts ridiculous ngl but my brain thinks wg might purposely drop the vk72 outta play if it ever was in and make vk90 stronger so other buffed tanks can go 11/12 with it, making a new kind of balance idrk abt all this stuff lol maybe im just yapping nonsense but thts my take ig wg wont be dumb enough to "balance" sht like this tere might be a reason

and no im not defending wg this is still stupid like why'd u buff an already op tank

[sacred hound]

Where can i see these upcoming changes?

[terse cairn]

No way Chieftain getting nerfed in aim time and transverse speed

[frigid sapphire]

Stats aren't final

[terse cairn]

VK 72.01K
Turret 200/172/120 -> 138/172/120
Bruh thats a huge nerf

[umbral socket]

Give T3 SU76I HE shells and make it have good pen and 250 average dmg 🗿

[mint ibex]

It’s just the block of armor behind the gun mantlet. I really don’t think it will get penned more often

[terse cairn]

I think it will be much easier to pen using gold ammo

[mint ibex]

Most mediums and HTs probably won’t be able to get through the spaced armor. TDs might be able to blow through it. (tbh if they can pen the gun mantlet the turret cheeks are vulnerable anyway)

[lost crane]

Guess which one is the nerfed version ?

[twin egret]

😭 no way this guy is trying to trick you by showing two images of the vk with each having the exact same texture model and armour values

[ancient rampart]

They're both the same

[lost crane]

Nop, blitzkit added an edit tools, to visualize chenge to armour value (it's a good tools to test balance idea)

[lost crane]

And you can modify each "block" of armour. And that's why blitzkit is by far the best site to check armour

[twin egret]

Oh, it can do that? I didn't even know

[fickle shoal]

it's a new update

and can now act as the new wotb cursed images maker

[ember idol]

Locked in Leo

[wicked quest]

Armored warfare be like “UFP 500 MM”

[ember idol]

"Don't worry dear player, this change is necessary for the game's balance"

Becomes an armoured sniper with zero repercussions

[valid cave]

How would you balance the concept1b? Does it need more dpm or armour or mobility or what

[thorny timber]

Imo,DPM is more necessary

The Armor isn't the best overall, but it's not meant for flat terrain confrontations anyways

Even the mobility is just alright for its other aspects

C1b has almost become obsolete compared to the e5 and e6,it has to gain a middle ground between both the murican heavies to be worth considering as a competitive gimmick

[valid cave]

It seems to be a robust analysis overall. We’ll see how it is affected by the upcoming changes hoping it can find its own place, thank you for commenting on it

[hushed ermine]

Guys, can someone send me a link to the tanks changes in private messages?

[lament arch]

#373091204038000650 message

[worn heron]

the changes feel so random

[twin egret]

Blitz Post's changes seem to conflict with that aeson posted in some minor details

[hushed ermine]

Thanks

[lament arrow]

The original reload time is incorrect, type 59 have 9.4s and 132 have 7.58s (100% crew , no food and equiment)

[weary oasis]

@molten cosmos 🔥

[lament arrow]

And the previous balance post , many original stats are incorrect, so i think we have to wait for WG anouncement

[faint trellis]

I heard next update the chieftain mk6 is getting it’s premium shell replaced with HESH, which I think is interesting but please wargaming just give it 2 guns like the FV4202, some people will love hesh, others not so much!

[rocky sentinel]

I’m scared with these balance changes

[whole flame]

why does it say unknown for me

[cerulean bridge]

Whoever decided on 183 buff to dispersion should get fired...

[stone drum]

Dew it WG

[rocky sentinel]

I mean if WG listened to skilled players the game would be better

[cerulean bridge]

<@&481447501690568709> <@&1173926026401812571> why listen to the playerswg obviously doesn't care they only care about money...look at chieftain mk 6 its getting nerfed when the only thing it has is gun, everything cuts through turret so you can't say that it overpowered. Wargaming sucks

[severe basin]

why is bro pinging mods

[whole flame]

wait til bro realizes mods dont do the balancing

[lament oar]

Why sconq and m4 54 getting reactive...

[cerulean bridge]

@whole flame you all who defend WG are dumb...bc if no one saies anything then how does one correct...e50 which has good armor and gun getting reactive...whatttttt? IF BALANCERS KNEW GAME THEN THEY SHOULD KNOW SOME OF THESE CHANGES SHOULD NOT BE DONE.

[whole flame]

woah calm down jamal dont pull out the 9

[modern heart]

he isn't defending wargaming, he's telling you that you're after the wrong people 💀💀💀💀💀

[fickle shoal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1189763349915914371/1197302592871600158/RDT_20231228_1801462051172636373929536.gif

[gleaming apex]

jablitz_yt_ has been warned.

[cerulean bridge]

Cool get warned for something innocent...why speak then

[sharp saddle]

tagging moderators complaining about some random balance change or something is not innocent

we arent wg lol

we are players who moderate the server

[fickle shoal]

me when i ping moderators for no reason (it's so funny)

[cerulean bridge]

Well then WG should have a option for feed back Oh wait tank balance discussion is not feedback? Little hypocritical? Why have a section dedicated to a 'discussion' then? at least listen instead of give me a strike....oh wait yall can't take criticism (constructive)

[sharp saddle]

this channel can be for feedback and to give opinions on balance etc. Where did anyone say it wasn’t?

The issue is that you decided to tag all the mods to complain about a balance change

we are discord mods. We are not Wargaming

We have 0 say and 0 involvement in game balance, so don’t tag us about balance changes. Thats all it is

thats why you got warned - for misusing the moderator tag. Not for giving feedback

[whole flame]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-issues-gif-13031152103567454559

[severe basin]

Did bro finally get it with his quarter of a braincell

[sharp saddle]

Its kinda hard to take criticism for a balance change when we are not wargaming, we are just players. Not really possible for us to take criticism for a balance change lol

[whole flame]

jablitz reminds me of the average tier 10 teammate with 70k battles and 900 avg damage handing out thumbs downs like candy

[brave dragon]

🤔

Tank balance, like many of the channels are primarily player discussion; and as Martin pointed out, we are not WG employees, nor are we involved in any shape or form with game updates, store sales, map design, tank balance, etc.

Until something is posted officially, take it with a grain of salt.

And when it comes to balancing, WG has their internal review teams, testers, etc ... which doesn't mean that they can't make mistakes, over nerf or over buff ... so to speak. But they collect data and have a couple of avenues of review to try to make an informed decision.

[stone drum]

Because AMX is dog water

[modern heart]

we are not allowed to say this. why can mods?

[whole flame]

what about amx mle is bad besides the fact u cant angle ur hull well because the slanted front corners have 0 armor

[sharp saddle]

who said you’re not allowed to say that?

[modern heart]

can we? 😳

[sharp saddle]

I don’t see an issue with it lol

I originally deleted it because I thought I was coming across as a little mean for a mod

[whole flame]

being kind is overrated

[sharp saddle]

I like to be a nice mod

[fickle shoal]

being kind is cringe, borderline harassment is based 😎

[modern heart]

fair enough, i will refer to this in the future then 😎

[sharp saddle]

I look forward to the day the mod team decides that saying that is not allowed and then I look like a hypocrite

[willow hawk]

Hurry up and screenshot it to back yourself up 👀. Ok imma leave dis chat now. : )

[stone drum]

Where do I start?

How about this, instead you name some good things about it.

[whole flame]

mean chad mods > kind soft mods 🥱

best way to get someone to listen is by bullying them into submission

@stone drum well for one its hulldown armor is crazy (only downside is it has only 8 degrees of depression instead of 9 or 10), it has a fairly high alpha with decent enough dpm to hold its own in dpm fights, and its mobility is solid for a heavy tank with thick armor

[barren goblet]

We going off topic , but this place last few months has been trending toward PEGI rating of baby TV. Trying to make cool mods look bad that make jokes sometimes and aren't hardcore rulebook guys is wrong move unless your goal is what I said above.
Let's go back to tank balance.

[stone drum]

For a 130mm it has below average alpha, additionally it has average dpm for a 130mm and bad dpm overall, combine that with crappy apcr rounds & bad accuracy you create a recipe for low shot efficiency.

The Mobility really isn't good, with top speed being its only decent stats, the traverse & acceleration are both sub-par for a heavy.

[whole flame]

i mean idk about you but whenever im using it the mobility is good (its not like im tryna flank the enemy, im a hulldown heavy lol) and the accuracy hasnt ever been much of a problem for me unless we are talking about shooting on the move/pinpointing tiny armor weaknesses. i mainly just use it as a peak-and-shoot tank with strong enough armor to keep the enemy somewhat scared of pushing
then again im probably not what most would consider to be a great player so take whatever im saying with a grain of salt

[fervent briar]

I think E 50 M needed that buff, already one of the strongest meds

[stone drum]

Well, regardless, I hope to see it get a decent mobility buff & AP standard rounds returned eventually

[whole flame]

mobility buff would def be nice but imo its not super necessary with a tank that from what ive seen doesnt involve as much moving around the map as most other tanks. and i think with callibrated shells penetration isnt too much of a problem (ill admit that without calli, yeah its kinda bad but i found ways around it)

[frigid sapphire]

Nah e50m was given astronomical amount of unnecessary buffs

[stone drum]

Nothing to do with cali, it has to do with APCR being garbage.

[whole flame]

i guess

[cerulean bridge]

@.fallen4ngel

[celest zenith]

Dog, this ain't a server I moderate lmao, I can't do anything here, this is the WG official server

[fickle shoal]

skull emoji

[rigid fractal]

💀

[sweet python]

tbh i should stop playing wotb or any of this shity company games

[frigid sapphire]

Skull

[sweet python]

they milk my freaking time to gain that free gold to get my favorite tanks and now when the time comes to enjoy them they did the stupid decision and nerf the crap of evry single favorite tank that i enjoy playing f this company im out of wotb now

[whole flame]

https://tenor.com/view/wahhh-crying-bawling-baby-tears-gif-10296948

[willow hawk]

In his mind, moderator=game developer, must be employed by game company.

[brave dragon]

Just park them for a bit until they get a buff?

[lilac sage]

Damn they messing with these tanks

[sweet python]

that's an absolute cringe just leave the tanks the way they are nerf what i needs to be nerfed and let the rest like it was

[brave dragon]

I understand … and wg is blamed either way … there is no perfect solution, not nerfing leaves tanks op, not buffing leaves tanks too weak

It is a never ending quest

[willow hawk]

But at least make the changes make sense. For example Batchat getting nerfed, no one should be upset. It was broken with 350 alpha and 3 shots.
🤷‍♂️ how I see it WG’s logic behind these balance changes is to prolong battles, mitigate toxic gameplay, and make certain tanks play a different way. I don’t agree with many of the changes.

[whole flame]

yoooo amx mle getting a small dpm buff as well as better armor nice now time to main amx mle instead of t95e6

[brave dragon]

Try not to stress about the changes; they’re like the tide, they come and go, if your favorite tank got nerfed; try one that got buffed ? 🙂

[lilac sage]

Bruh they need to nerf this tank not buff it already has 300 pen and 350 damage now this

[whole flame]

which tank

[lilac sage]

@whole flame f215b

[celest zenith]

Yeah but this ain't even the server I moderate

[whole flame]

oh ok
so would u say that the fv215b is worth grinding for? i have its octopus X camo but never got to use it cause i was too fcoused on grinding other tanks like is7, type 71, 183, etc

[lilac sage]

@whole flame yes it does 650 damage after buff and has little more one now

[sweet python]

tank play style should not be changed until it gets overpowered the prob with these small brains company that they ruining the fun of tanks that everyone enjoy as a mk 6 it's not an overpowered tank a very well balanced tank and guess what let's ruin that gun and making it more worse

[whole flame]

https://tenor.com/view/wahhh-crying-bawling-baby-tears-gif-10296948

[clear shuttle]

???

[sweet python]

wg's slave

[lilac sage]

@clear shuttle what don’t understand what I said they need to nerf f215b too strong

[whole flame]

lol i disagree with the balance changes just like you... but i see u whining and crying about it so i thought it would be funny to mock ur crying lol

[twin egret]

@lilac sage we hardly understand what you're coherently saying

[lilac sage]

@lilac sage I just said nerf f215b how are is it to read

[fickle shoal]

did you just ping yourself

[willow hawk]

😂

[clear shuttle]

its in a good state rn it dosent need a nerf

[whole flame]

wait til bro finds out about the damage and pen on grille and ho ri 😨

[sweet python]

so u're tryna act like a clown hm i understand

[lilac sage]

@whole flame I already know high pen on grille and ho ri

[whole flame]

sure u could say that i guess 🤷‍♂️

[surreal dune]

what am i reading 💀

[whole flame]

lol

[lilac sage]

I play grille 15

[whole flame]

same, super fun tank

[twin egret]

Which FV215b because you are saying "it does 650 damage after buff" and "350 damage"

[lilac sage]

@twin egret o my bad I’m talking about f215b tank destroyer with 650 damage buff

[clear shuttle]

what ⁉️

[frigid sapphire]

What is bro cooking

It's called 183

Where did you even got the list that 183's getting an alpha buff?

Bro got the patch notes out from temu

[whole flame]

since when did 183 do 650 dmg

[surreal dune]

who let this guy cook 😭

[whole flame]

bro it does like 900 😭
bro deleted his chat 💀

[lilac sage]

@whole flame it does more then that 950 damage

[whole flame]

ok it does like 850-1000 on average i just used a random number within that range
(also why do u want it to do more damage..?)

oh i misread nvm then

[lilac sage]

@whole flame I want them to nerf damage not buff it

[clear shuttle]

it isnt getting buffed
the damage at least*

[brave dragon]

How about you don't insult the people making the game, and just stick to facts.

[sweet python]

they are the ones who wanted the players to insult them many companies are respected by their players because they only provide a better gaming experience what about those who ruin the game for their players and you want me to flirt with them for example?

[wild wave]

This is a game
It’s your choice whether you want to play it or not
The developers/company also have the choice of following their player base’s ideas or sticking to their own thoughts to try change the game for different interests
Either you accept the fact this is how they run their game or you leave, but as long as thousands, even millions continue to play blitz, then they don’t care too much
Nobody really likes the whole rebalance, personally it should be buffing the below par tanks and nerfing the overpowered tanks but that’s it, however that’s not the case but it is what it is

[sweet python]

we are talking about a big company here with a big audience if all this money they are getting, they are forced to make the game better for their players this is how respect is between the players and the company. everyone knows that WG is doing this on purpose they do not take any of the opinions of the professional players about how to balance the tanks Then they want us to stop insulting them and stop complaining. they ignored all the overpowered tanks and even buffed them they chose tanks that were already balanced and deliberately nerfed them. they know this more than anyone that this is a stupid decision
as mk 6 player wth im gonna do with the hesh shells when i can use the 183 - fv f215b - fv 4202 and not only that they ruining the crap of dpm
this is only for 1 tank i will not motion the rest like prog and carro

[lilac sage]

@sweet python quit your yapping

[clear shuttle]

carro changes i saw coming from a mile away lmao

[sweet python]

from the match making to the balancing tanks one of the worst companies u can ever play in their zone

[whole flame]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-too-much-gif-3073131703219450640

[pine tinsel]

These new balance changes make me want to stop spending any money on the game, what's the point of buying premiums when they jsut get nerfed or changed so much that I no longer trust them to be what I paid money for in the first place. What do you all think? Does these balance changes make you want to spend less on the game?

[sweet python]

oh the wg's slave is here again

[timid swallow]

only the chieftain changes are quite ridiculous, the other ones I don't mind at all

[meager flare]

BALANCE VK 72 AND VK 90 FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE

[whole flame]

how exactly am i a slave again 😞

[pine tinsel]

The Chieftan Mk6 is my fav tier X. That's a big part of what is prompting me to say this, I paid good money for that tank (and others) and I honestly don't know if I should do it again. I spent a lot in the last 6 months, and for sure I will be spending less in the next 6 months.

[timid swallow]

cheftain ain't even op in comparison to other prem hts of its tier, frankly its high velocity apcr prem gun was it's one and only saving grace

[novel nimbus]

rip is8, it's catching strays 😭
the pen nerf was NOT needed imo

[twin egret]

what tank did you buy?

[whole flame]

prob mk6

[sweet python]

didn't buy any tank spent around a year watching vids and collecting gold to buy the mk 6 and now everything is gone

[timid swallow]

22k is a high price for it, it was sold for 15k that's when I bought it

[wind flower]

language....

[stone drum]

Batchat was not broken because of 350×3 bud, the only thing that made it "OP" was the viewrange it had.

[whole flame]

watching ads for gold for a year straight is wild 😭😭💀
bro cant catch a break fr, ig if i was in that position id be complaining all day as well

[twin egret]

😂 somewhat biased but okay
I beg to differ that it wasn't just the "view range"

[pine tinsel]

exactly, why are they nerfing the aim time, pen, and traverse. The highlights of the ChiefMk6 is the gun handling and mobility (neither was OP, but both were good for it's class) and now they both are nerfed. The new tank may be fun and maybe even powerful, but it won't be what I paid for. And that's the point, I bought something and I liked it, it suited my play style, and now it's gonna completely change, for what?

[timid swallow]

Um, a Leo can only repay a BC for 2 shots while it hits it for 3 and reloads in cover

[sweet python]

im spending my money on my parents not on a game and this is one of games that can at least make me enjoy some of my shity days

[stone drum]

Yeah, clearly a 105mm gun having normal 105mm alpha is obviously gamebreaking. 🤡

[whole flame]

ok have fun

[twin egret]

Yeah, and clearly the tank having clip-boost and spall liner wasn't enough to also make it broken in other ways 🤡

[willow hawk]

You have my approval. Yes you are correct. Totally. 💯. Now hop along now.

[stone drum]

Both should be dropped ofc, but i personally doubt spall would change much

[south patrol]

WG stop meaningless balace changing. #CancelTheBalanceChanges

[faint trellis]

I heard next update the chieftain mk6 is getting it’s premium shell replaced with HESH, which I think is interesting but please wargaming just give it 2 guns like the FV4202, some people will love hesh, others not so much!

[boreal stream]

https://youtu.be/Pues-febKpM?si=AbCMcCET2ublYBn1

[lilac sage]

@boreal stream begger there not going to do your idea

[boreal stream]

I’m just saying, i respect other opinions too no offense

[nimble zodiac]

Don't spam it

[mild monolith]

Im pretty angry hearing about the changes tbh, last time was already pretty bad 😤

[lilac sage]

Nothing you can really do

[mild monolith]

I can complain lol, but yeah true

[dense oak]

do these rebalances occur after major events or are they randomly rolled out?

[lilac sage]

Normally after update or season

[mild monolith]

Its the most rubbish thing ever.

[hollow pollen]

where do i find the new balances at?

[humble fractal]

Give the cheftain mk.6 new hesh gun as aditional cannon like on mediums so People can decide on what gun whant to play

[scenic hazel]

PLEASE LISTEN TO DROODLES, LOWER YOUR EGO WG

[verbal harness]

GW stopped paying attention to the community years ago, if revenues go down, that's when it listens.

I have been a player of WG games since 2012, I have lived through all the stages of WOT and WOT Blitz and believe me that the situation has gotten worse.

[sharp jacinth]

💀

[scenic hazel]

Wot blitz would have 100k average players if they hired Droodles as main balancer

[remote sluice]

while drood’s proposal is better than what wg came up for s5, i dont agree w some of his stuff. like the 215b, i absolutely do not support his proposal of removing super speed boost from it. the tank already has mid armor, so some mobility for it to get into positions quickly is needed imo

[arctic storm]

They shud remove speed boost and give it its reactive back

[verbal harness]

I agree with that

[ionic egret]

droodles knows how to play the game, not how to balance tanks

[narrow raft]

i dont like that

[unique scaffold]

wg pls dont give chef mk6 hesh on gold or if you do give it 300 on ap

https://youtu.be/Pues-febKpM?si=AbCMcCET2ublYBn1

[clear shuttle]

nah speed boost > reactive on the 215B

[limpid belfry]

is7 still gonna be nerfed : (

[inland quarry]

Change my mind - In my opinion match making should be tier exclusive in pubs and ranked, as in Tier X can only play against tier X, tier 9 can only vs tier 9, etc etc …
Except for game modes, this should be the norm for pubs and ranked to benefit new players especially but also the regular player base with how completely broken the mismatches get, how are people supposed to enjoy suffering playing a tier 7 med vs tier 8 heavies that’s absurd.
It’s quite easily the most simple way to balance a lot of this game. I mean if you want people to continue despising playing tier 5s, 7s, and 9s bc of how often ur forced to play battles as the low tier tank sure i guess
Especially in ranked it’s absurd how bad that is

[rapid pivot]

crackgaming.net

[scenic hazel]

He single-handedly gave out opinions on all tier 10 tho, and most of them better and more reasonable than wg company themselves, tell me why would e50m needed a buff

[clear nebula]

I like your confidence while you're wrong. He does KNOW how to balance tanks because he knows how to play the game. This two goes hand-in-hand.

The balance he makes is miles better than what we get from the so called "experts".

If it was that bad then how comes people like his idea better than in the official WOT Blitz Discord server?

[inland quarry]

is this about something specific, just curious (also cooldown time limit in here absurdly long 😂💀)

[clear nebula]

Yup, it used to have 50km/h top speed and now it has 40! The main strenght of it was the speed and armor combo and now the Is-4 has faster top speed.

This really ruins the tank, I really loved pushing with the mediums and surprising the enemy. But ofcourse WG wants to help the new players by making it slow so they can get away with their mistakes by not letting the yolo in.

[nocturne mauve]

Why they keep making goofy changes

[shut ermine]

Bro my Prog is getting nerfed to hell...

[clear nebula]

Yeah the cooldown time is really long but understandable (so people won't spam crap all the time)

Its about him saying that Droodles makes bad balance changes which is completley false. Yes, sometimes Droodles can be a bit toxic but with teams like his its understandable.

Go watch his newest video about tank balances and compare his and WG's idea.

[inland quarry]

Gotcha I’ll check it out,
speaking of stuff what do y’all think about my idea of possibly making pubs or ranked or both tier exclusive mm, tier X only fights X, tier 9 only fights 9 etc etc, listed some points above but I genuinely think it would be Hella good for the game, but I want more thoughts/feedback about this idea👍

[ionic egret]

and i can do that as well, though it still will be the same result, youll need an actual group of people balancing the tanks, not 1 singular veteran

[glass nimbus]

The BIAS-7 wont be so strong anymore after the update 😔 (still a good tank tho)

[shut ermine]

I think its pretty good idea, but I think whats really breaking the mm is that balance of teams in terms of tank types so team 1) Has 4 heavies and team 2) Has 3 heavies, and of course if both teams have same amount of tank types, for example 3 heavies each, one team has 50b, E5 and IS4 while the other one has E100, VK 90 and Maus. Battles like these are very common.

[remote sluice]

speed boost gives the tank the ability to get to positions quickly and bully mediums, then quickly relocate to punch the remaining heavies

reactive saves u in case u get into bad situations

and if u find urself in bad situations, then u have a major skill issue.

215b deserves the speed boost more than reactive, unless ur a comp player

[arctic storm]

Whats comp?

[clear nebula]

Oh really? So you just go against your own word by saying that a group of people can balance the tanks better. WG has a group that "balance" the tanks and you can see the result. You NEED in game experience in order to balance the tanks which WG's group doesn't have.

You can let a single person balance the tanks because HE KNOW how to balance the tanks, you don't need a group for that because people agree with how Droodles balances them.

[ionic egret]

well we could let him but it would turn into favouring some vehicles that he likes and making some purposely underpowered
that's why you need a group of people for balancing, because they all have different opinions

[mild monolith]

Tbh at this point that is still better than what we have right now

[uneven turtle]

Personally speaking, when it comes to balance changes I wanna hear the reasons behind them.

So I know it’s not some randomly thought up change and actually has positive gameplay effect

[whole flame]

i didnt see his vid on balancing, are his changes any good?

[inland pier]

Good morning

[thorny timber]

Defo better than what wg is cooking up

Not that it's the perfect rebalance though, almost no one can do that tbh

[ionic egret]

no idea, didn't watch it either

[whole flame]

dang

[hazy garden]

Some are good, others nope

[whole flame]

im assuming he plays favorites with tanks he enjoys like most people would do given the opportunity to rebalance tanks

[ancient dome]

Which ones are bad changes he made?

[hazy garden]

Im watching the video now, and some of the changes are much needed to be honest (im not talking out of favoritism), but everyone has a different opinion on things, the changes on T10 (on Droodles video), in my opinion will have a 50/50 split decision between players, that's how i see it.

[whole flame]

hm alright

[clear shuttle]

it def would

[hazy garden]

But, don't go from my opinion, give the video a chance, u might see a change/something u might agree with...

[whole flame]

yeah i was going to, just havent had the time yet
do u recall what he suggested for the amx mle m4? its my baby so i was looking forward to its much unneeded buff

[lilac sage]

lol wait till they give other tanks not needed buffs

[solar idol]

aight i get it, a group’s needed to make changes but no offense, it’s wild that a team of guys decides on balancing and a single wise dude might do it better than a whole crew making dumb moves. like seriously, the e50m already has good armor and sht, now u’re adding reactive armor to it? and making the vk90 even stronger? is this how u guys think? i’d be cool if u explained these decisions but right now it just seems ridiculous.

[umbral socket]

This gotta be one of the worst T10 rebalance updates ever

[solar idol]

then what’s the diff for a group of guys backing their own tanks and pushing all reasons to get everyone to agree to buff their rides?! it’s so obvious like lemme start with e50m, everyone likes it and i get why, so no surprise u’re buffing it more, and don’t even get me started on vk90 lmfao. i’d trust one guy’s call over a bunch of unreasonable folks making dumb balances 🤡

[ionic egret]

I'd agree with putting a group of +- 20 vets/cw players to balance the tanks
not droodles himself

[candid wraith]

This is not about a tank balance but it's about the game balance. (I don't know which channel is the right to post, I would love developers to read this)

Because I can't understand how the logics work. I have a team with average 44% win rate, some of them are even under 40, the opposite team has two 70+ win rate and the whole team average win rate is 65+. Guess what? my team only shot once and they all died, it was a disaster.

How is the alghoritm working? Isn't the win rate part of the logic and if it is why it works so crazy?

[solar idol]

i’m not talking about droodles lol, don’t even care about his vids. just saying it could take one smart guy to handle balances better than a whole team messing it up. like, get what balance we actually want and stop ruining tanks or buffing already op ones. or at least rethink these changes and get a better team lmao. that’s all i want, but i’d be fine if there’s a solid reason for these dumb changes

[unique scaffold]

Random (matchmaker based on stats and win rate have been tried before, its even worse)

[severe basin]

Some were actually good some tho like the 5A (not surprising since he glazes the crap out of this) he wants to give it 50 top speed, 370 something heat pen, Better accuracy

Ye exactly

[ionic egret]

and thus making it meta

that's why it'd be better if just cc's/vets/cw players balanced the tanks

[candid wraith]

it's just super annoying, playing a battle in tier 10, I expect more or less skilled players, trying to take a position think all the possibilities you have and baang, the game hasn't even started yet all your teammates are dead. Sometimes I'm soo annoyed that I want to delete the game.

We need some type of solution for that.

for me this is the bigger issues then balancing tanks, cause more or less you can deal even with overpowered ones

[solar idol]

do u seriously have issues with tanks becoming meta while the already op tanks just keep getting stronger and their counters get nerfed?? that’s amazing, like wow 🤯🤯🤯 at this point, it feels like u’re bending over backwards just to defend the rebalancing team no matter how messed up their decisions are. it’s like they’re throwing darts at a board and calling it balance while they ruin the game for everyone else. so yeah, great job on defending the indefensible 🤡

[icy furnace]

Uh oh, he would want a horrible and unplayable tank to become good, can't have that in blitz, every tank must be equally bad to achieve perfect balance 😊

[ionic egret]

i don't, what im saying is if one person balanced the tanks they simply would glaze the hell out of their favourites and make all the tanks they hate garbage, that's why you need more people balancing

there's absolutely no issue with tanks becoming meta

[desert mirage]

Its with new update ?

[unique scaffold]

I can already see some Droodles proposed changes that are a bit stupid, giving m60 3400dpm while buffing accuracy without rammer and without nerfing armor is insane. Giving grille 700 alpha is dumb without nerfing mobility. Personally i dont agree with reducing 268v4 alpha. Super conq hatch is already easily pennable with heat. Nerfing Minotauro lower plate by 40mm will destroy the tank, thats one of the main strong points of it. Giving vickers 3300 dpm wouldnt work cause 907 exists. Personally giving yag 2400 hp is too much and t100lt should imo get a dpm buff, t22 need a slight accuracy buff.

[severe basin]

What wg should do is post the planned changes and let us vote like they did before

Change the ones that got down votes and so on

[thorny timber]

Even the players aren't much of help, atleast not when we aren't guaranteed that trolls will mess up the pool

They should just hire some actually good margin of players in a group to discuss seriously, I'm pretty sure they have enough power to do that

[solar idol]

ok cool, i get it, and i’d agree if the team made any sense with balancing but they DON'T. i’m jst calling out your meta probs because ur saying “it’ll be meta” when droods makes a reasonable change. and honestly, your excuse is dumb.. how can u say one guy is biased when the team u’re defending is doing a worse job? lmao. pls find another excuse, i can back up my points anytime 🥺

[unique scaffold]

You realize that hes not defending wg balancing team right

[ionic egret]

I'm saying that droodles would do a worse job than the current team

[solar idol]

oh sorry? did i see that wrong? this guy was against one person’s decision but not the whole team making dumb changes. is that clear enough for u or nah?

@ionic egret and once again, my highly respected community helper, i’m not talking about droodles. yeah, some of his stuff makes sense but i don’t fully agree with him. i’m just saying one smart person could do a better job than your so-called team of clowns veterans.

[inland pier]

Droodles droodles droodles droodles droodles droodles

[ionic egret]

i am absolutely not within defending the balancing team and the changes they are working on and admit those are the worst rebalances so far if they come to be true and confirmed by wg

i'm saying that they still would do a way better job than a singular person

[willow hawk]

If yall are upset with the balance changes, and you believe that WG is not listening, there are possible solutions:
Stop playing the game. Stop spending on the game. Quit feeding it. Do it like yall did when SBMM got implemented. Make them backtrack and apologize with their corporate vocabulary.
I’ve basically lost all hope in petitioning for balance changes.

[whole flame]

i love how as soon as someone even slightly defends wg people begin calling them slaves and meatriders 💀

[ionic egret]

i am not even defending them

[wicked quest]

Almost all of their changes are fueled by idiots they changed the entire credit economy and removed ammo . Repair , camo costs because idiots are incredibly bad at making profit and managing money

[clear nebula]

Not really, he pointed out in one of his older balance discussion video that the makes the changes without favouring them.

With a group you have a way bigger chance of favouring tanks thus making the changes pointless.

[ionic egret]

it's the exact opposite of what you said

[boreal cedar]

Are they gonna do some changes on Gft?

[ember idol]

Yes

But no data on that yet

[clear nebula]

What "exact opposite"?

WG's group has people who don't play the game thus everyone thinks differently about the correct balance change (with the lack of in-game-experience).

Meanwhile the veterans who play the game (so they know each tank's strenghts/weaknesses) would give out similar (if not the same) balance changes.

There is literally no point making a group out from veterans as well because they all think similarly.

[remote oriole]

I haven’t seen this homogenous group of ‚veterans‘ who agree on all changes yet

[clear nebula]

Veteran WOT Blitz YouTubers would have already reacted to Droodles's video if they'd think differently.

Why would they? If they think its so bad then its free content for them.

[muted rampart]

No, they didn't make videos because they simply don't care.

Regrdless of how good or bad changes proposed by droodles would be, he can have his own opinion and no one really cares about it

No one has a reason to comment on them, so no one does

[remote oriole]

Droodles is largely decried as clueless

[muted rampart]

No, it is not. Most Blitz youtubers have either neutral or friendly relationships between themselves, why would they start attacking him even if the changes he proposed were terrible?

Again, no one has a reason to comment on whatever he says, because his words won't change anything, it is just his opinion

They would end up getting eaten alive by droodles' fans, even if what they've said was reasonable.

[clear nebula]

And here is the other end that you just wrote. If they don't make their own balance changes video (not necessarly reacting to Droodles's) then they simply don't care about what WG does to the game.

If they really would care about the balance then they'd already done the same as him. Like giving ideas to WG.

Thoes who care on the other hand would think similarly. Like: if a heavy tank like the Is-4 has bad armor then each of them would buff the armor, not increase the top speed

[muted rampart]

No, they don't make balance videos, either because their content is about different things, or they play this game more than you and already know that regardless of what they say it is just shouting into the void.

WG has their own statistics, own balancing team and their own idea on how things should look like. They know some things we don't and they make calls based on much more factors than just "game's balance".

Regardless of whether it is a good thing or not, it is how it is.

Unless they publically state they agree with droodles, you shouldn't imply they do.

And no, if a heavy tank like IS-4 which according to WG isn't suposed to have armor, has bad armor, you don't buff it's armor, but other factors instead, like top speed.

Roles of tanks is something WG has already made clear they wanted to change, so you won't make them change their mind regardless of how much you want that to be the case

[remote oriole]

This is relatively narrow thinking. If a heavy tank has bad armour and your only logical conclusion is to buff the armour, then that shows that you associate heavy tanks with good armour, and thus would discard heaviums such as the Chieftain, T95E6, Strv K, Object 260 and damage dealers such as the AMX 50 B

After your edit I take it that I just misunderstood you? Nevermind, I jumped posts

[clear nebula]

Not necessarly, the reasone why the Is-4 needs an armor buff is because it performs really bad with the current changes. It was never meant to be a hevavium like as you mentioned with the Strv K, T95E6, ect. That was the Is-7 but for some weird reasone WG took away its 50km/h top speed down to 40!

I'm not saying that heaviums are discarded I'm saying that there is literally NO reasone why a balanced tank should get nerfed. The Objeck 260 IS balanced as a heavium.

[thorny timber]

Wg just follows their own rules, Next day you might see a grille with 400mm Armor and the jageroo having 60km/h top and no one knows when

The thing is, that being historically accurate is one of their lesser redeeming points out of everything

[clear nebula]

Then how come that for over 8 YEARS the Is-4 had good armor and WG never bothered in nerfing them? It was always balanced not needing any drastical changes.

Also, WG changed their minds numerous times because of big outlashes by the community. For example the changes with the Grille 15. WG wanted to nerf it even more but decided not to because it got a huge negative dislike rate.

If they get no feedback from veterans then yes they won't change their minds because they think all the experienced players agree with them.

[remote oriole]

I still find invoking veterans weird - in the end veterans don‘t agree themselves

[clear nebula]

I gave up on realism a long time ago, I never said I want them to make the tanks realistic. They just need to be balanced which they clearly incapable to do in most of the time.

WG needs to understand that if a tank is balanced then they can leave it alone. No need to change it to make it OP or bad.

[willow hawk]

They can’t go after WG, so they go after mods. After realizing they can’t go after mods, they go after veterans. 👀

[muted rampart]

Because WG decided they want to change it's playstyle like 2 years ago?

No, they didn't change their mind. They've still pushed the changes forward, only backed down on a few of them so that community calms down.

It's a known manipulation technique to first put forward some ridiculous changes no one will accept, just to lower them down a bit to the level you actually intended and make community accept those, as even if they are still bad, they are not as bad as the thing you proposed earlier

Whether WG actually uses it or not is unknown to me, but what community wanted at that time was removing the changes entirely and WG didn't do that, as they didn't have to do that. Whatever they do is 100% up to them, not droodles, not other youtubers, not veterans or anyone else

[thorny timber]

Which they probably will never give up on, because they either touch a tank too fast or let it powercreep to irrelevance

Just wonder when they'll actually even notice a speck of us, because if they don't then the people here are just talking to a wall, for almost no cause for a fairer balancing sadly

[willow hawk]

Hot take: this channel is only for us to fight amongst ourselves while WG throws out the popcorn to watch in the first row seat. None of our opinions matter. They will do whatever they want.

[thorny timber]

At this point I hope I'd be able to doubt that

Guess people will have to unfold more chaos just like time with the sbmm so they'll actually hear

[remote oriole]

Keep that fire burning there, I need to cook

[clear nebula]

Then if the REALLY want to change the playstyle of tank then make it correctly and test it before they introduce it to the main game. They failed on leaving them alone AND they failed to change it correctly.

If they would change the meta in a way that the tanks would be all balanced then there would be no reasone to reverse said change.

They can keep ignoring the players but we will end up like WOT PC. Pay-to-Win, Unbalanced and dead.

[solar idol]

ig after all this useless arguing it's better to just get used to their sht again. wg is the kinda company that throws random f'd up sht at us and expects us to adapt,

and we did lmao

if they lose players, they're just gonna milk every last bit of money outta their remaining players, offers r getting more aggressive every day 🤯

[rigid pulsar]

Just get used to it, simple as that, it's been a decade already since blitz is on, it is what it is.

[willow hawk]

If yall dislike the balance changes, yall need to band together, practice some civil disobedience and force the company to change its ways. Yall did it once with SBMM. Yall can do it again to fight against balance changes .

[remote oriole]

WG ditched the approach of ‚converging towards balance‘ a while ago. Now they have an ‚upset the meta‘ approach, which creates exaggerated nerfs and buffs. I am fine with this approach, considering that I once suggested it in this very server…

[clear nebula]

Yeah, and thats the main problem sadly.

We didn't complain enought on the bad changes and look where are we now. Its easier at the beggining of the game's life to set the developers on the right track.

[lost crane]

They don't want to create a meta where every tank is balaanced, they said that they want to change strong tank and weak tank, they want to "reverse the meta", some weak tank will become very strong, some strong tank will be very weak, and these weak and strong tank will change in each rebalance (and they also want to change the role of some tank)
Btw, I don't think these changes are really bad, we should keep in mind that we don't have all the info yet, but currently, except the IS7 change, and the E50 M overbuff, it's not really bad

[clear nebula]

Then they are cutting the tree under themselves. Their logic is bad. Whats the point on not having balance? If they make tanks bad/weak and make OP ones on purpose then people will only play the OP ones. This leads to another massive balance change in order to make bad tanks better. This goes on an endless cycle with WG wasting worktimes/workers on pointless things rather them doing it correctly so we wouldn't complain.

[stone drum]

I think it would be better just to randomly mix around the consumables, provisions, and mechanics on the tanks.

[ancient dome]

Maybe so the game doesnt stale? If they did correct balances, what content are they going to do next? Kinda like creating problems to create jobs themselves, that or their balancing team is smoked good pot

[verbal harness]

I think it would be better if WG listen to the comunity for the tanks balance and stop doing wrong changes.

[ancient dome]

Theres little chance wg gonna use droodles balancing, cuz then they would be admitting their balancing team is incompetent to 1 guy on youtube. Office politics wont ever let that happen, unless someone is being fired

[verbal harness]

There are many tanks that need buff, some old premiums for example, tech tree tanks that are worse compared to other tanks, not only tier 10 tanks, i mean the game need a very huge balance on all tiers, maybe mm too, this is my opinion.

[brazen sleet]

i dont like the changes but wg likes changing the meta so tanks keep circulating around, so the same tanks arent always played

[clear nebula]

I think you don't understand me. WG CAN change the meta IF they do the changes correctly. You can have all the tanks balanced in different ways while not being repetitive.

The other thing is they said a lot of times that they want to reduce the complains but with changes like these they are doing the opposite.

This is why I don't get the changes they do. They LITERALLY do the exact opposite.

[ancient dome]

Its not about repetitive, wg is ultimately keeping wotb for business, they do whats profitable, not whats right. Every decision have risk and rewards, they gonna choose the least risky and most profitable decision everytime rather than whats right. And right is subjective, so whos right are they gonna use as the base?
What corporates say should always be taken with a grain of salt, or dont be believed in some cases. Pr teams are paid to appease their customer base after all, they gotta say what they gotta say

[clear nebula]

Yes, this! Another thing I don't get is why they try to change only the tier 10 meta.

There are thing like the MM, old premiums, optimalization and making the tanks PBR which are a bigger problem than changing the tier 10 meta.

First, they should fix the basic things THEN do the secondary ones like changing the playstyle.

How long does WG been making the tanks PBR? Since the Kranwagn line! That was 3-4 YEARS ago and we are still missing more then half of the tanks.

[stone drum]

And constantly pushing away players and scaring them off from investing is good for business.

[ancient dome]

Of course its not ok. They dont want to antagonise their customer base, the sbmm changes proved that. With sufficient population voicing their displeasure, wg would definitely react to it.

[willow hawk]

Step 1: find the percentage of players on discord
Step 2: reach out to your other friends who play blitz.
Step 3: mutually agree to stop playing the game
Step 4: stay strong, and sustain the boycott.
Only works if there’s enough of you.

[ancient dome]

Social media have been proven to be more effective to voiced out opinions. Also if youre able to rally CCs to talk about the upcoming balances, wg "might" React. If wg thinks its more costly to ignore the players opinion, they gonna listen to the players.

[willow hawk]

Do what you have to. Players are more lethal off the Blitz battlefield. They just have to realize it. And their wallet. 🙈

[stone drum]

I haven't dropped any money in 2 years, lol

[ancient dome]

Im not that invested into wotb to bother doing that. The playerbase in discord are still undecided as to support or disagree with the "leaked" Changes. At least, the vocal ones.

@stone drum dont worry, as long as you still play the game regularly, they still think you as part of the precious playerbase. Youre just one number among many, but every number helps every investor reports.

[stone drum]

Considering im an ancient whale, I dont think they care, they're gotten their money after 13 years of me being a customer, hell they probably think me more of a nuance.

[ancient dome]

Stats is everything for marketing and performance report that every corp do round the year, you having the game on your phone is already contributing a very small amount to wg, of course spending money is preferable, but theyll take what youll give them. Heck, for all we know, they might be cooking some genius plan to seduce you to spend money again. I say seduce cuz they gonna honeytrap you

[scenic hazel]

Kinda pissed cuz 30b nerfs, its an underrated tank and barely seen on my server which is asia, i enjoy driving it and they nerfed it crazy

[willow hawk]

Yall know it’s bad when WG pushes out a survey. If you are discontent with the game, you can fill out that survey

[true saddle]

"If they don't make videos then they don't care" no

making videos about balance doesn't do anything, wargaming simply does not care about these videos

[muted rampart]

You clearly misunderstood.

I don't mean they don't care about balance, but rather droodles' opinion on it, because that's what the discussion was about

[modern heart]

this IS-4 comment makes no sense. Wargaming has made videos about the IS-4 talking about its strong armor. what?

[twin egret]

<@&481447501690568709> ^^^^^ ban

[muted rampart]

Wargaming has decided to turn IS-4 into a heavium.

I don't like this idea either, it doesn't make a lot of sense and IS-4's line clearly doesn't share heavium playstyle either.

But since it is what it is and they've decided on it long ago and don't seem to want to change their mind, it's more like their videos make no sense.

If they say IS-4 isn't suppsed to have very strong armor, it's on them to make their videos in line with their intentions

[modern heart]

could you show me where they said the IS-4 shouldn't have armor then? maybe i missed that

[muted rampart]

I would probably need to scroll entire year worth off messages to do so, but iirc they did that in that sort of "Q&A" they do here on this discord channel when introducing some controversial changes.

They did that a year ago when introdcuing balance changes and many people asked about IS-4/IS-7 changes, they were probably the most asked about topic next to grille getting nerfed

[modern heart]

i would love to see those messages. i don't think WG puts much thought into their balance changes at all

as for your earlier comment that WG knows things about balancing that we don't, i am not sure I agree with this either. the community has full statistics on how each tank performs, just as WG does. but something that playerbase has, which WG does not, is a skilled understanding of the tanks through much greater experience and gameplay capabilities

not to say that the community should be in charge of balancing instead of WG, that would be a disaster. but, incorporating some level of sensible feedback is absolutely necessary. right now it seems WG is just changing things for the sake of changing things, rather than taking a thoughtful approach to solving the problem of balance

[muted rampart]

Again, I never said they have some performance statistics we don't, but they do have some other stats, unrelated to balance they also take into consideration. Like for example how profitable a tank is. Whether we want it or not, such things are also taken into consideration by them, the most obvious example being recent Object 752 "rebalance".

And if you want to see those messages, just use the 🔍and seek for messages on this channel sent by inciter or eveil penguin, they were the ones to answer our questions here

[modern heart]

the sweeping rebalances are being done in tier 10, where the vast majority of tanks are tech tree. i would understand for tiers 6-8 where the majority of tanks are paid for, but for this tier profitability should not be the driving factor of balance

but either way, taking outside factors into account, when the objective should be improving the quality of the game, is a very valid reason for people to complain...

[verbal harness]

From the looks of it, I'm not the only one who thinks the same, WG has focused a lot on releasing premium OP tanks, on passing on community feedback and not polishing the game well. I think we all agree that there are many things to be balanced/solved. AND THE FIRST OF ALL IS TO LISTEN TO OUR FEEDBACK. We know perfectly well what works and what doesn't. What I mean by this is that you GW realize that our opinion is important to the game. Hopefully this comment will at least serve to realize how to do things well or else... Then don't be surprised by the state of the game and the players. As a member of the WoT blitz community and other WG games. I propose that we be given more importance with our feedback. COMMUNITY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A GAME, NOT ONLY THE MONEY.

[muted rampart]

This is probably not the only other factor they consider and we don't.

They also probably have statistic on which tanks more players have unlocked and which majority of them skip. They want playerbase to keep grinding, so some tanks being skipped over is another reason for them to buff something. (Wz-113G FT maybe could be example of that)

And again, i've never said they should think about stuff like that when balancing, but it's quite apparent that they do and I don't believe they will stop doing so regardless of what we say.

These 2 are also just examples i could think off at the moment, I am sure they consider much more stuff we have no idea about. This is what I wanted to say in one of my previous messages

[rocky sentinel]

Simple way how to balance the game ask skilled players how to balance them like Fatness and Droodles

[stone drum]

Where?

[scenic olive]

I wonder how wg will handle balancing tier 8 if they ever get to it.🤔

[azure plaza]

yeah

[fallow crypt]

When will the balanced content be announced?

[mild monolith]

https://youtu.be/Pues-febKpM?si=tDAxdPsQt6MkPE44

[hearty elbow]

What about the E 50M change?

[rocky sentinel]

A fellow Droodles fan, I trust everything he says in that video. I beg of the WG please do what Droodles says

[dapper zenith]

he really should've removed consumables and equipment before making his suggestions, he based them on tank stats that were manipulated by his load outs.

[lilac sage]

[drowsy plaza]

Balance doesn’t work like that - because you can’t balance tanks for SU tier X players. The majority of the player base would be flopping around worse than it already does in tanks that have been set way above their skill ceiling. WG used to have a semi-decent balancing method - they through it out to adopt a different method that isn’t really balance nor does it really work well. All one needs to do is pull up the blitz analysiz website https://blitzanalysiz.com/update/11.0/ and you can see tanks results and how bad the current balancing method is. But you can also see why balancing for low efficiency players or the best players isn’t a great method. WG used to balance based on the results of 55-65% players, which did a decent job in making tanks balanced for the majority of the player base. Sure some of the higher skill tanks stunk for poor players but you can’t balance something like a Leo1 for a 800dmg 45% player - it will end up being a 5k DPM tank that the SU crowd will abuse. But if you balance for the 70% 3k avg dmg player then you end up with tanks that 99% of the player base struggles in.

[willow hawk]

The wise one has spoken.
07, 07, 07.

[scenic hazel]

E50m heavy flank meta

[mild monolith]

E50m OP

[oak merlin]

lmao why E50M is getting reactive armor

[rocky sentinel]

Why is the super conk and AMX M4 54 getting reactive armor the AMX m4 54 has 2.800 health if you run it to have that much. Why not give it to the maus

[mild monolith]

183 tungsten will be next lol

[rocky sentinel]

Probably
They are also making the 183 more accurate

[wicked quest]

They already did the equipment blanket buffed pretty much all tanks lol

[prime badger]

IS-7 next update: 💩

[true dune]

💀

[stone drum]

You say that like MAUS is worse than AMX, when thats objectively untrue.

[tough trout]

Please, dear WG, stop this rebalancing nonsense. We, the players, just don’t need the new bestest ever mt(new e50m), and so on. Except for several underperforming vehicles(like vickers, is4, cs 63, maybe couple more), and a few op vehicles (like wz td, stb1, again, maybe a couple more), t10 is pretty well balanced. Why not just buff the ones that actually need buffs, and nerf those that need to be nerfed?

[dapper zenith]

they can't just rebalance vehicles every week or month, they need 3-5 months of data collected to see how their previous balance changes worked out, the previous tier wide rebalancing was only to anticipate the equipment overhaul update, so that vehicles weren't broken when certain equipment was mounted,

[lilac sage]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-ocean-water-sunrise-beach-gif-14894473

[tough trout]

But does the new balance make much sense? Why, for example, buff s.conq, or e50m? Why ruin, say 30b, or progetto? These changes do not look like something derived from data collection and analysis, they look like just changes for the sake of changes, which I, personally, find pretty strange.

[ancient rampart]

They already admitted they change things just to change things

[shrewd hatch]

Idk what the devs are cooking but if they keep going off their own by not listening to the community and players they will 100% ruin the game. For example the E50M, completely fine medium tank (Except for APCR standard), was giga buffed to its dpm, armor and gave it reactive. Like these changes weren’t needed by the community and its just going to start another annoying meta that players are sick off.

[mild monolith]

Ye, like the old tvp meta, and now the wz

[shrewd hatch]

And the batchat, like bruh…

[dapper zenith]

the e50m isn't all that great of a buff, a little side armour but giving up 400 velocity to all shell types sucks really, buffing the turret from 105 to 114 will help it but because its side profile is so high it should get a small buff, depends if they're buffing the flat side armour or the slanted part, if its just the flat armour, that's nothing really

[tough trout]

Yeah, and its dpm buff, when most of mediums are loosing dpm, is also of no importance…

[gleaming apex]

poltergeist_01 was banned.

[dapper zenith]

right now its on the lower end of tier X medium dpm, 0.4 will just bring it up closer to the rest, they all hover around 3000 base dpm

[shrewd hatch]

Well giving the e50m reactive armor will put it in a advantage in dpm when brawling, compared to tanks losing dpm like the 140, 62a, and the leo…

[dapper zenith]

ya reactive might make it a beast for a few seconds, but the obj 140:needed a dpm nerf, didn't think the 62a did though

maybe a buff somewhere else but if someone chose rammer over cali then its dpm was insane, but still a tough tank to play so i didn't mind it's dpm that high @clear shuttle

[clear shuttle]

140 needed a buff if anything

[shrewd hatch]

Also, the E50M will have 3500 dpm with rammer, and 3350 without. So that -0.4 is gonna do alot. The 140 needs a buff, even with its crazy dpm it doesnt have pen, gun depression, armor, and alpha dmg. Sure u can use the dpm to use, but nerfing it will put it into a worse state. I do fine with its current state and i think it doesn’t need any changes.

[lost crane]

The problem is that many mt will loose dpm, so after the changes, E50 M will be among the best dpm mt. If the E50 M dpm remain unchanged, it will be in the middle.
Imo, they shouldn’t buff the dpm, or only buff the reload by 0.1-0.2s

[dapper zenith]

well c'mon you Super Us can make everything work, not that im asking to show it but how does that obj stat compare to your e50m sheet

[shrewd hatch]

I was just explaining why the obj doesn’t need a nerf cuz the slowmode is dookie. And put some info on the e50m dpm next patch for reference

[dapper zenith]

i mean that's a big win rate if most of your battles were done solo, i don't think the 140 is op, i actually prefer it over 62a but it won't suffer that much from a slight dpm drop

[clear shuttle]

honestly kind of needs its high dpm since it shoots like a literal pea shooter

Vickers light needs a little more dpm as well now that it also shoot like a pea shooter but apparently it wont because it has cheap hesh (unless they are actually deciding to buff/rework its gun again)

[dapper zenith]

as long as the 140 keeps its aim time, dispersion on the move and its ap velocity ill be happy : ) i didn't see the full 140 changes

[severe basin]

Correct me if am wrong but think it got a little more alpha dmg for that dpm loss and some minor gun handling nerfs

[oak merlin]

think wg overbuffed the E50M

[dapper zenith]

gun handling nerfs worry me a bit, it needs to snap shoot because of its turret weakness

[dapper zenith]

well those nerfs aren't going to ruin anything

[ember idol]

They just returned the changes they did to it lol

[clear shuttle]

this rebalance is literally just them undoing multiple tanks changes from like 9.1 or 10.3

[lost crane]

2 proposition of changes for the 105 mm of the smv cc 64 : (along with the nerf of the 120mm gun)
1 : alpha buff to 350
-1s reload for each shell
Intra clip buff to 3s

2 : intra clip buff to 2.5s
-2,4s reload for each shell
-0.02 accuracy

[ionic egret]

no thanks

[lost crane]

Why ? It will just make the 105 gun relevant, not even really good

[prisma jetty]

The 105 is relatively balanced on the tank already, it’s just the 120 is so absurdly strong that there’s no reason to use the 105

[lost crane]

The 105 has 10.53s reload for the first shell (7s + 3.53s intra clip) for 310 alpha, which give 1.8k dpm (and it’s the best dpm it can achieve). This gun is really bad for an heavy tank, let alone a tank with td hp.

[ancient rampart]

Why are we trying to buff the SMV 64

[prisma jetty]

That’s the best single shot dpm it can achieve sure, but it also has 960 burst at tier 8 with an almost impenetrable turret. It’s a balanced gun all around, especially considering it’s an auto reloader giving it extra flexibility in how it uses its shells.

[arctic storm]

Emil 1 has that, i don't see ur point, also its not 960, its 930 if u shoot all 3 shells but who tf is dumb enough to use the reserve shell as a normal one, so its 620 cause 310 alpha duh. Emil one also has more hp

[prisma jetty]

Emil 1 also doesn’t have near the armor or flexibility in the use of its clip. Also, CC64 gets 320 alpha, not 310. So yes, it is 960 if you shoot all 3. And it’s 640 if you shoot 2, which is still a very large amount of damage for tier 8.

[lost crane]

Yes, but Emil 1 doesn’t need 45s to reload it’s clip. And 2x320 with 3.53 intra and around 1.7k dpm is really bad (look at the T77). I mean, ofc the smv shouldn’t have a good gun, but the 105 is a really bad gun : really low dpm, meh alpha, bad intra clip

[prisma jetty]

Smv only needs 36 seconds for its full clip, not sure why 45 seconds is even in your argument, and the Smv has the armor to afford having bad dpm since it forces enemies to load prammo, usually making them match its dpm. And that’s if the enemy can even penetrate it with prammo.

@arctic storm Yes, I’ve played it with the 105, it’s a very balanced gun. The tank actually feels like it has counter play to it without making it incredibly weak. The 105 needs no changes, it’s the 120 that needs to be nerfed.

[arctic storm]

Did u actually play the smv with the autoreloader gun?

[lost crane]

I take the intra clip in my calculation, my bad, but anyway, 36s is by far the worst in the tier, and no, even with prammo, no t8 tank have 1.3-1.4K dpm.
The gun is really among the worst in t8, and by far the worst for a td. And yes, it has really strong turret, but low mobility and hp (compare to ht, because smv is a ht in the td categories)

[uneven turtle]

Nerf it down to 380 alpha
And give it better gun handling at the cost of maybe 10-15mm of pen(standard and prammo shells)

[sharp jacinth]

idea
wel leak military documents

[uneven turtle]

Idea, some of the tanks in this game don’t exist

So it’s not effective

[clear nebula]

You would be surprised because like 90% of the tanks in game were on blueprints or small models. Just because they never produced them doesn't mean they aren't real.

Someone came up with the idea of these tanks.

[uneven turtle]

Soooo, if some were to be balanced via blueprints, what about the ones that have no blueprints behind them at all

And I’m pretty sure early testing stages of a tank would be horrible

And personally speaking, I’m not keen on making a tank horrible

That idea may not have been fully developed

So would you balance a tank based off an under developed idea?

Balancing a tank off blueprints or ideas would require them to have gaps of the tank’s statistics in those prototypes filled in by looking at what the game currently has and adapting the prototype to fit the game

Which defeats the purpose of balancing off blueprints/ideas don’t you think?

[tough trout]

I don’t think that this idea is any good. Blitz has never been about history, rather, about gameplay and balance. Personally, I wouldn’t like to play, say, Jagtiger with 8 horsepower per ton, or things like that. For those, who like historical accuracy, there are, just, different games.

[uneven turtle]

This tbh

[narrow raft]

any changes for E 100?

[fathom glacier]

When will wg do too?🤣

@muted rampart I have no idea. My friend has sent me this

[muted rampart]

Fake? I couldn't find this article on Lesta's website

[fathom glacier]

Nope. It’s real. I wish I could send this link. Idk if it’s allowed

@hybrid moss add my friend then I can send you

[muted rampart]

You can send it to me in DM

[hybrid moss]

If its real, i will have to refarm the new rank X or i can get it free because i already have the FV215B 183 ?

[fathom glacier]

@hybrid moss @muted rampart

https://tanksblitz.ru/ru/news/event/FV215b-183-collectible/

[ancient rampart]

This is tanks blitz
Not World of Tanks Blitz

[frosty niche]

Well even if it is, u still get to keep the 183

So nobody cares

[dim ibex]

I dont even get why remove 183 and replacing it with alligator. Just make allogator a 2nd researchable tier X tank like T62A obj 140

[civic topaz]

Because 183 plays very differently to the whole line

Especially after ATs and Tortoise

[frosty niche]

But anyways, it is probably a fake website

[clear shuttle]

^

i personally feel like its way too late for them to be changing tier 10s out for new ones but thats just me

[civic topaz]

Why would it be?

[civic topaz]

It’s another point for LESTA

Every day they become better and better compared to our blitz

[cinder shard]

It is 100% legit, I've just checked it.

[dim ibex]

Ok but if we look at the Fv215B line we have Sconq on pc instead of 215B.
Dont think that should be reason

[civic topaz]

We are talking about 183. Not SConq fv215b and whatnot

[lost crane]

I can't say it's wrong. One day, LESTA will eat blitz, it's just a matter of time
@dim ibex 215b is closer to the rest of the line than Sconq (215b fit the kinda heavium gameplay with meh armour, only the turret placement is a difference)

[frosty niche]

Well because the website is owned by LESTA games and wargaming has lost ownership of it since 2022, so it shouldn't affect wotb, but maybe LESTA has created their own version of the game

Correct me if I'm wrong, because you would assume content creators would be jumping on this news

Plus what does 'Babakha' mean- I put it into a translator and got nothing

[civic topaz]

The tank obviously doesn’t fit in the line, it never has in fact.

[civic topaz]

LESTA is now a different company.

And it’s just a nickname

That’s why it doesn’t get translated

[ancient rampart]

I would 100% be fine if WG did the same thing
Replace the 183 with Alligator
Make the 183 a premium

[civic topaz]

So would I

It should have happened years ago

[cinder shard]

Would still prove the point, the Conq line is a bit different on PC. Over there (for example) the Conqueror has really good armor, so the S.Conq makes more sense. Over here, the Conq is really mobile and lacks a bit of armor, so the 215b is fine as a T10.
It always depends on what the line is supposed to be and keeping that playstyle through the tiers imo.

[lost crane]

I agree with you, it would be a great idea. And it's not like anybody will loose anything

[leaden vortex]

The planned changed for the chieftain are brutal ,they should give the option of keeping the apcr gun

[barren goblet]

I would even support deleting 183 forever. Adds nothing to the game, just punishes active play.

[autumn zodiac]

Like when they nerfed light tanks to 50kph speeds

[ember idol]

Change reverted xd

[waxen sorrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj-OZHOXfJY i agree with this guy about his opinion of most rebalances of his own

[stuck spade]

Sconq lacks armor???

[unkempt quest]

when will people learn that wargaming has stated several times that the whole point of rebalances isn't necessarily to have a perfectly balanced game, but to shift the meta. make other tanks more popular so that players have to get used to the new changes and the game becomes less stale

[cinder shard]

In case I've been unclear:
PC: Conq has very good armor -> S.Conq as tech tree T10 makes kind of sense (215b as collectible)
Blitz: Conq lacks armor -> 215b as tech tree T10 makes kind of sense (S.Conq as collectible)

[rocky sentinel]

Well now everything makes sense, but I am scared of the fact of having yoloing E50m’s with reactive and more DPM.

[tough trout]

To me, as to many players, this way of making game “less stale”, doesn’t really look good. Like “you’ve bought yourself a nice collector tank(30b for example)? Congratulations, now it’s going to become a garbage bin on tracks! Why? No reason, just to shift metas. Oh, and let’s make tvp, or wz gft, or e50m stupidly overpowered.”I know that is supposed to make game feel more fresh, but doing it cheaply. And personally I’ve disagreed with this way of doing things for some time.

[unkempt quest]

i disagree. different tanks deserve to shine.
you agreed to the EULA by playing this game, you'd know that things you buy in game are always subject to change. it's not an excuse to use against balance changes you may not like.
this is simply the way wargaming does it

[night ingot]

Hi

[tough trout]

Agree to disagree. WG might do whatever they want in their game. But we have the right to not being content, or, just not playing the game for that matter. And the right to protest against it here.

[unkempt quest]

i'm just saying your arguments are flaud

[tough trout]

Flawed, perhaps you mean? They aren’t. I don’t think WG is doing the right thing with this rebalancing. I think, most players would prefer to have stable, well balanced game rather than shifting from one op vehicles to other. I, for one enjoy the game, and want to play it less, not more every time this kind of update happens. And yes, there are better ways to make it feel less stale, like, actually, making it less stale, instead of creating cheap illusion.

[willow hawk]

WG can, but it does not mean they should. IMO these changes to “shift the meta” upsets a number of players, and it creates an atmosphere of distrust between the game creator and the player.
“Why would I spent money on a tank that I am uncertain about? I see the numbers and parameters for this collector tank, and it really looks suitable for me. Then a few months later the tank can completely change. I will not be able to play as comfortably. Should I really spend my hard earned money on it?”
Not all players can just throw out money mindlessly like candy, and some are very conscientious when it comes to dropping money for a game.

Personally, I think a few players share this opinion.

[unkempt quest]

how would you achieve a less stale without rebalance then? you can't pump out constant new content

[barren goblet]

Changing meta is fine, every tank get a chance to shine for a season. It's seemingly random changes without changing anything just so no tank stays same ; or destroying tanks that are balanced and far from meta (prog 65 and Leo) that make zero sense. Every tank doesn't have to get some minor change every year, balanced decent tanks can just exist.

[unkempt quest]

how does it create distrust?
the players are made well aware of how wargaming handles this stuff. people accept and abide by EULA, which says that everything is subject to change at any time.
just because you bought something doesn't mean it's immune to changes.
it doesn't matter whether you like it or not. this is for the better of the game anyway

[willow hawk]

I am giving you a different perspective, a dissenting opinion. I have also tried elaborating it as best as possible. You may take it or leave it.

[tough trout]

Or can you? Perhaps, adding a map or two once in a while, rebalancing vehicles that really need it, maybe adding some clan activity or something… but, of course, if you want to be extremely cheap…

[unkempt quest]

wargaming is being quite transparent with this. it would create more trust as oppose to distrust

[inland quarry]

for the love of god, why does big boss matchmaking not pair the same type of tank as boss, A medium/light boss gets obliterated 95% of the time its crazy that thats still a thing; it would so simple and balanced to make it light/med boss vs light/med boss, heavy boss vs heavy boss, td boss vs td boss

[wicked quest]

Completely butchering MK6 by implying their removing its secondary ammo with HESH and unnecessarily nerfing leopard 1 is not “shifting the meta” LESTA has gotten way more content than we have ever since they have split and it’s literally jarring just how much funner their side looks with all these stupid changes

[civic topaz]

WG is everything but transparent.

I don’t understand why even bring EULA into this.

[cinder basin]

So no more British Bonker?

[civic topaz]

On LESTA no

[unkempt quest]

because most of the wargaming devs are busy on implementing the new engine?

[unkempt quest]

because people bring up "i paid for my tanks you can't change it"

[civic topaz]

Where are these takes coming from?

I am confused

[unkempt quest]

straight from wargaming themselves

[civic topaz]

Source?

[unkempt quest]

tankfest qna

[civic topaz]

I don’t remember them saying how many people work in what department

And also why would a balance guy work on an engine lol

[unkempt quest]

they said most people are working on the new engine
it's why there's not as much content

[civic topaz]

That’s a different story then 👍 Still not an excuse for what they do though

[willow hawk]

If they are busy implementing a new engine, why would they spend time on creating balance changes that upset a decent number of folks in the Blitz community? You cannot deny that people are upset with the yearly / occasional balance changes being implemented.

[unkempt quest]

people get upset over free rewards, your point?

[inland quarry]

the balance is this game is absolutely atrocious, the logic of "if i paid a lot for this tank, it should be op" is also stupid

[stone drum]

"But but but its gud for the game and keeps it healthy1!11!1!1!1"

[wicked quest]

And there’s evidence the previous changes were just well dumb as hell.
The equipment change blanket buffed ALL tanks and 183 became even more of a hassle along with accuracy issues disappearing for some heavies.
The E4 changes completely nonsensical butchered the tank and lead to them disregarding calibers and changing alpha for guns despite being the same caliber

Bull crap^ lesta literally has like 4 other tier 10s and even different maps than us better yet they’re even getting a way better version of a tank than we are! Look at this!

[civic topaz]

Free rewards are not unnecessary though. A lot of these changes are.

Just because let’s say a company can change its logo and name every two weeks doesn’t mean they should it. It isn’t about refreshing things up, it’s silly and unnecessary

[unkempt quest]

that tank is still in testing

[queen geyser]

If u like lesta more, just play lesta

[unkempt quest]

the only change i really disagree with is the E50M

and the leopard reload nerf

[civic topaz]

Some of us already do, doesn’t mean a customer doesn’t have the right to point out mistakes.

[unkempt quest]

but i'd like to wait for officially announced changes, since these are still subject to change. even after the announcement

[civic topaz]

If I get food poisoning in a restaurant do I also get told just switch the place lol

[stone drum]

Lesta has also been implementing massive game overalls, particularly in storage & optimization.

@queen geyser not exactly possible for some people, however if I could switch my account to lesta and the legal issues around it dissappeared, I gladly would.

[wicked quest]

The fact it’s already a 152mm and classed as 10 in lesta immediately makes it much more attractive and appealing than
another tier 9 medium

Ah yes switch to a version not available freely over here @queen geyser

[inland quarry]

ong i despise the "pLaY aNOtHEr gAmE" arguement that shields genuine criticism, these balance changes are objectively trash, also why i have a 5 min type cooldown compared to yall......... i just wanna talk balance and dumb things that in my opinion should be changed. u dont need to support every single decision WG does bruh just because you enjoy playing most of their game

[civic topaz]

@stone drum @wicked quest I am curious, what makes the game unavailable to you?

[civic topaz]

I agree with you.

[unkempt quest]

everything new doesn't have to be immediately appealing

[queen geyser]

Its not a mistake, its a way to handle things with pros and cons, I have seen lesta changes on wot pc, where they are completly overbuffing stuff, in a short Therm this leads ofcs to a hype playing those things but it also leads to a unbalance, which can make a game really unhealthy in the long run

I wouldnt want to have some tank that are in lesta in blitz, simply because of how broken or unbalanced they are

[civic topaz]

I am not saying their game is perfect but they seem to do a much better job at it

[stone drum]

Well first first off, being a Russian game it is unavailable to me, however furthermore I can't evade that restriction due to my professional & the current geopolitical state of Europe.

[wicked quest]

Sooo…. Add inferior content just because?

[unkempt quest]

i don't think it's inferior

[inland quarry]

that doesnt mean we're wrong and our take that the changes are garbage aren't valid, what excuse if there to completely ruin the the chieftain's gun instead of a small nerf and buff an already OP e50M, they have 0 idea know how to balance now 🤷 , also what is Lesta if you dont mind me asking

[unkempt quest]

they're simply changing the role of the chieftain, i'm curious to experiment with it once the changes go live, if they stay this way.
E50M is stupid though. reactive is completely overkill

[queen geyser]

Yea But people here make it Sound like blitz becomes unplayable and lesta is blessed heaven

When its just diffrent ways to Balance a game, with pros and cons

Which is why I came up with the "Just switch" argument, if u dont value the pros of blitz then there is no use in playing it since those come with cons

Same with lesta, pros and cons, it just matters how u value them personally , which nobody can justify

[unkempt quest]

lesta is a separate company, hosting the former CIS server

and frankly, if you guys really dislike a change, stop supporting the game. don't play anymore.
that's the only way.

saying you don't like it and still playing doesn't hold any value

[stone drum]

"If you don't like the laws, leave the country"

[wicked quest]

At face value it’s another med with a 105mm
Lesta it’s a med with a 152 and 10 gun dep Ik you have strange opinions but one is clearly more interesting to play with

Also again your opinions are incredibly strange why the hell would I leave the game I’ve invested 9 years into? I criticize it because I want it to be better I hate these changes but I can just switch tiers. Don’t think I forgot your dumb argument about smasher was “personally I’ve never had an issue” before you became a mod

[queen geyser]

We had those exact conversations last year, where everything seemed stupid first but was fine in the long run, I say, lets wait until the confirmed balance changes are out with all tanks, and then we can provide valueable feedback

And then wg either listens or they dont

[gleaming monolith]

If you don't like my face, don't look at it

[gleaming apex]

ninovx_01424 has been warned.

[runic jasper]

@queen geyser you say fine in the long run but is it? You can't get into a game without 3 or 4 fv215's in it. Very unbalanced to have one single tank used so much.

[unkempt quest]

i'm serious. dropping player numbers is the best way to protest against a change to the game

[gleaming apex]

__blackhawk_x has been warned.

[willow hawk]

I agree with this. But the real question we have to ask, is will the players have the discipline to make that happen? You might think, “Yeah that’s not happening.”
You might be right.

[tough trout]

We like the game. And, at least for now we don’t want to quit. But this doesn’t mean that we must be obligatory happy about everything in the game. We can complain, and, I think, that WG should appreciate it as a kind of feedback. After all, the SBMM did get cancelled, which means that WG can, at least sometimes see reason.

[verbal harness]

Honestly, if I had the option to choose, I would choose lesta and do the account transfer.But since that option is impossible, I keep the account with WG. Replacing all my GW games with Lesta Games, feels better i dont care about tanks because i will stay with a company with better support.

[exotic trail]

That or not paying.

[inland quarry]

sorry for cursing before mb lol , these balance changes are objectively just bad, theres a reason so many of us have complaining for so long and its a problem for multiple tiers and for new players ESPECIALLY, the "JuSt pLaY aNoTheR GaME" argument is lame deflection but go off i guess

[waxen sorrel]

They can make tanks more reliable and much balanced without destroying the whole balancing

[unkempt quest]

i never gave that argument, but it is true though.

why are you still supporting a game that's changing things in a way you don't like?

if you don't like it here, leave. no one is stopping you but yourself

[inland quarry]

i dont have to do anything lol, im giving my critcism in the chat that thats for, stop responding to me please if all you will say is "leave the game if u dont like it"