tank-balance-discussion

[little saffron]

I have a question regarding the last update. A couple of tanks lost their premium status in favour of collector status. Do these tanks still have the same credit coefficient. In other words, can you still make the same amounts of credits with them?

[regal iris]

Question, what was the reason why they haven’t brought back the old tracking system for ATGM, and also how come they got rid of the T49 ATGM from Tier 7-8 just to put it into tier 9-10 and just have it for arcade only… I’m waiting for a real answer devs

[uneven turtle]

The only allow ATGMs in modes now because a couple years back when atgms were first released it was beyond OP considering the fact that it was the only thing in this game that ever existed to not require you to peek to damage others. So, instead of removing it entirely, they put it in a place where it can’t harm actual stats

[regal iris]

But they can have literal rocks on tracks like Mini Maus, VK 100 & 100P than can dip down into tier 8 (I can list plenty more) and can hurt stats too. Now of course they all require a lil skill but so did T49 atgm. You had to learn how to swing that missile up and over but it was never 100 on hitting targets, no matter how skilled you are because you still have terrain in the way no matter how you launch and track your enemy.

Tbh I think they should bring it back,
put it back into reg battles
put it back in the same Tier or up it to T8
Nerf the reload a bit
[fully upgraded It had less armor than a fully decked out T49]
and lastly have it WITH THE OLD TRACKING SYSTEM TOO

[cinder shard]

#coming-soon message
Same for every other tank that got turned into a collector. The coefficient stays the same.

[cinder shard]

The problem is that the mechanic was very strong in experienced hands while you couldn't do anything as a player with less experience.
If you were an experienced player in the atgm tank, you could hit most shells from behind cover.
That exactly was the problem that most of the playerbase had, you couldn't do anything about an experienced Atgm-player. They would just stick to their team, hide behind cover and deal their dmg.
It's fine in most fun modes because there are other factors influencing the battle, like modifications in Mad Games or Uprising
It defenetly is an interesting mechanic but also incredibly difficult to balance. Nice to at least have it in modes or training-rooms.

[regal iris]

Ok let’s find some middle ground, bring it all back (with old tracking system) and no reg battles

[minor crow]

Bring back french heavy armor back

[remote sluice]

nah, the BZ’s is way worse

[stone drum]

Yes, buff all the AMX m4's

[sweet skiff]

all three of the amx m4s are pretty decent atm

[stone drum]

doesn't mean all three of them could use buffs, since they are all kinda mid.

[native folio]

Slap JgTig 8.8 into worse MM by default.

[remote sluice]

i agree w this, but i like Vz’s 130mm more than 5a’s cus of the mechanic and the alpha damage

[wanton marsh]

Give IS-7 1200 HP engine and max speed 55

[sweet skiff]

💀

[twin egret]

It should not be that accurate on the move imo for the amount of armour and flexibility it has

[unique scaffold]

Carro needs a massive nerf to its hull armor and gun. It's such a Pay to win tank. It's one of the ONLY tanks in the game that requires 0 skill and 0 brain activity to play.

[stone drum]

Its Literally fine

[unique scaffold]

Nah, has a t62 armor with a better but similar gun to tvp. With greater alpha, and has good mobility for what it's worth. The definition of pay to win

[ruby dagger]

don't feed the troll 🤡

[ember idol]

Lost the fight at "t-62 armour" and "similar gun to the TVP"

[unique scaffold]

Alr low tier clubber

[stone drum]

Could you outline what you would like to see changed, as in provide a specific balance change?

[unique scaffold]

Lose like 15mm of upper hull armor, alpha decress by 10-20 damage while slightly increasing its weight to speed since it's losing weight
@ember idol tvp and carro both r clippers, with 4 shells, except tvp has a slightly faster inter clip with a longer reload while carro has by far better alpha and it's hull armor is strong but not exactly like t62a, but very similar

[twin egret]

It seems like more people agree that it's balanced

[unique scaffold]

5 votes, no if this was posted on announcements then the numbers will be by far different

[twin egret]

The tank itself is paper overall, with the richochet spots being richochet spots unless you load HEAT specifically. Hulldown, -9 degrees the turret is pennable with HEAT by most guns. The gun is derpy at times, and the tank lacks the ability to retreat well. It gets punished heavily if a misplay occurs

[clear shuttle]

carro is pay to win heres my reasoning to why

[remote sluice]

carro is great but if u compare its armor to the t62a’s then u have zero game knowledge, just sayin

[plucky mantle]

the alpha of the Grille15 and the other tanks in its family needed to go up to at least 630 to follow the boss of the 150mm tanks, no 150 tank has an alpha as low as the Grille because it is a tank fighter, and the KV2 needs a buff to cannon accuracy and survival, whether mobility or health points

[sweet skiff]

grille 15 definitely needs a buff considering. i disagree with the kv2 statement though

[clear shuttle]

sheridan:
nvm he said 150

[frigid sapphire]

Grille 15 is agreeable

The kv-2 changes you stated are not agreeable, it does not need accuracy, mobility, nor hitpoints

The tank is already good as it is.

[umbral socket]

Is the TL 7 good?
Why the long cooldown 💀

[ember idol]

There are better options

[ancient rampart]

I wouldn’t say the KV-2 is good but it’s not meant to be, It’s a noob killer and that’s it

The damn thing can oneshot tier 5 and 6 and even some 7s if you get very lucky

[cinder shard]

The S Conq?

[twin egret]

No bruh 😭
The type 71

[cinder shard]

Well it doesn't have the best dispersion base-value so it's still a little bit derpy.

[gleaming monolith]

Is the lancen c any good, I have some gold lying around and 6500 seems a fair price. I like to collect euro Nation tanks

[clear shuttle]

i personally like it but i wouldnt recommend buying it

[gleaming monolith]

Thanks for your response

[ebon lynx]

I'm pretty sure the Carro is in fact one of the harder tanks to use properly.
Not very accurate, a bit sluggish, unreliable armor, combine that with enormous damage potential and you got a skill machine.

[ancient rampart]

I feel like people tend to overblow the inaccuracy of the Carrot, In my experience the tank is more than accurate enough for the damage it’s dishing out

The armor is okay troll in some cases with a auto ricochet upper plate on flat ground and an auto ricochet turret when using most of its gun depression

The armor massively depends on how well you can position

[stone drum]

The dispersion is literally worst in class.

[thorny timber]

carro makes prog 65 look like an accurate tank,even if the difference isn't that big theres still a difference so there's that

[ancient rampart]

It’s still decent though 😭

I play so much KPZ 70 having anything under .310 dispersion feels like god accuracy

[stone drum]

it literally has the same dispersion has Kpz 70... with way less alpha

[ancient rampart]

Carrot is 303 with refined compared to the KPZ 70’s 310 with refined

337 vs 344 without refined

Either way it’s not nearly as bad as people make it out to be

Yes it’s the worst for tier 10 meds but they all have stupidly good dispersion

When compared to other types of tanks and other tiers the dispersion is still solid

[tough shell]

Carro s dispersion is solid? Sometimes I feel like people in this discord are drunk 24/7 😂😂😂

[ancient rampart]

Yes I would argue that 303 dispersion is solid in the grand scheme of things

Especially when compared to what some heavies and TDs are having to work with

Sure it’s the worse in the tier for mediums but for the damage you’re putting out and the tanks you’re engaging the dispersion is fine

[stone drum]

It has .344 unless you run vents... lol
So yes, it has the same dispersion as KPZ-70.

@ancient rampart No, it hasn't been changed since release, blitzhanger just has vents automatically on.

[ancient rampart]

Was it changed recently

If so then that’s my bad as I was using blitz hanger

[remote oriole]

I want a „none of the above“ option

[thorny timber]

maybe just change its whole "wannabe leopard" design

[ancient rampart]

How do you make the CS-63 unique compared to the other tier 10 meds without making it insanely broken or insanely bad

[tough ravine]

its okey to make it broken then nerf it
at least it would be playble bro
no one wants it

[nova latch]

Would anyone agree if wg decided to change the fv215b 183 to a collector tank and replace it with fv217 badger as tech tree? After the tortoise.

[ancient rampart]

No because then you’ll have to refund everyone who got the badger

[thorny timber]

people will threat wg for refunds,they shouldve done it in the first place

[remote sluice]

CS-63 enjoyer here, i hope it stays irrelevant cus i unironically love it and love farming M’s with it

[silk folio]

Nerfing the new Batchat is both fair and valid, but that dispersion and gun handling is just criminal. 0.364 on a tier 9 light? Come-on Wargaming, that would be atrocious for some heavy tanks at the tier, much less a light. And that's before we talk about on-movement and on-traverse bloom, those are both nearly 0.1 worse then the tech tree variant.

You took a unqiue tank that needed some tuning down, stripped away all its special features, then made its hidden stats so bad it'll be almost unplayable.

[cinder shard]

Do you still have the replay and team results?

[torpid wraith]

They won’t have to really refund the badger more than giving like 10k gold as most people just got it through random crates

[remote sluice]

dang i actually dont, but it was just me on the mines hill farming

[lunar sail]

No one, ur crazy

[fallow eagle]

Buff vickers light

[near ridge]

s p i c need bath

[dawn stump]

Hello, dear tank commanders and aspiring glory-seekers! Today, let's take an ironic and, let's be honest, slightly disappointed look at some technological masterpieces from the world of virtual heavy metal, known as the T-2020, IS-6, IS-5, and Defender in the game WoTBlitz.Let's start with the T-2020, the tank that promised to bring a radical change to the tank gaming world. But in fact, we find it nicely placed in a virtual museum, with a plaque underneath it saying, "Innovation from 2020, now outdated." Why? Because even virtual spiders laugh at its attempts to sneak onto the battlefield. Lamentable mobility and a gun that fires projectiles at the speed of a tired snail. Bravo, T-2020, you've managed to set a new standard for mediocrity!Next up, we have the honor of presenting the IS-6 and IS-5, the older and uglier siblings of the IS family. These battlefield veterans are like rusty washing machines, unable to rise to the expectations. With armor barely holding together and mobility that makes you wonder if they're eyeing retirement faster than Napoleon's tanks, IS-6 and IS-5 are just pale shadows of past glory.And finally, let's not forget the pride and joy of WoTBlitz players - the Defender. Well, if the word "defender" is associated with heroes and saviors, then this tank should be considered a betrayer of hope. Instead of defending honor and victory, the Defender seems to be a faithful partner of failure and frustration. With a moving capacity that makes you wonder if it was equipped with wheels put on by 19th-century carriage drivers and armor that makes all projectiles aimed at it seem like bad jokes, the Defender is the tank you choose when you want to test your tolerance for suffering.In conclusion, dear commanders, if you want to have real fun, avoid these technological "gems" and go for a walk in the park instead. You might find more action and less disappointment there.

[prisma jetty]

Which defender are you talking about here? Theres 4 of them in game

[dawn stump]

Obj. 252U

[sharp stone]

it's PC name lol

[nimble zodiac]

So you called 252U boring

[tidal crag]

ratio

[strong jungle]

T54 needs a buff on pen. im tired to see 50% of my shot bounce point blank on sides, and being low tier 90% of the time

[fickle tinsel]

give it something unconventional like a lot of gun dep or really good on the move camo

[stone drum]

Very humorous & enjoyable to read, but do you have specific suggestions.

[balmy belfry]

matchmaking will push all the good players out - and white % will remain

[prisma jetty]

That’s nice, but what tank balance suggestions do you have?

[dawn stump]

if I did as others have done, suggestions for improvement would not be taken into consideration, so at least we can laugh a little more. it is enough just to play with one of the tanks to realize this ....

[gleaming monolith]

Been playing fun modes and some ratings since the elefant event ended. Had about 3 random on the weekend , it sucked, bored out of my mind. I prefer just ramming with my vk 168 and e100. Can't wait for boss mode

[marsh grail]

Did they announce when big boss is coming

[nimble zodiac]

He ragged on Obj. 252U yet called the armor amazing

[arctic storm]

He used another ia to make it look as human as posible

[regal iris]

I ENJOYED EVERY BIT OF THIS 🤣🤣

[regal iris]

Meth or pcp; choose which one you on rn because you talking CRAAZZYYY with that request

Bro wanna turn Vickers into a cracked medium

[real bison]

it quite literally is the worst LT

why play it right now

basically a worse Leo/140 as it is rn

[mighty bluff]

Vickers is alright but its yes on the worst side of light tanks

U know what i have a hot take rn buff e50m more

[real bison]

just bring back the alpha on both it and the CR

nerf the reload, VL should have ~3.3k dpm with rammer+ double food, and most importantly, give it its viewrange crown back

[regal iris]

Idk y’all, @real bison @mighty bluff that’s a big ask to a VERY mobile tank family

Maybe up the dispersion a bit while on the move

Get closer to alpha dmg and a slight tweak to reload

Definitely gotta find a middle ground for the traverse/turret speed and all things for output of dmg

Oh also don’t even think about tweaking armor

then MAYBE you might have a plausible chance to get it back to its fierceness self

[real bison]

the VL mobility and armour are fine

it’s purely the gun and how completely just neutered it is in comparison even to its first nerfed state

[mighty bluff]

That is a good one armor is alright as it is still blocks heavies and bad aim tds

[stone drum]

The dispersion on move is already trash

Neither traverse on hull nor turret need to be changed

it Is also not significantly faster the comparable medium tanks.

[analog badger]

Vickers on release:

[pine tundra]

I have some quite good sugestions

[naive leaf]

Give vickers 950 alpha 5 sec reload and 300mm armor all around perfectly Balances and can’t forget tungsten

[frigid sapphire]

Hell nah.

[wind summit]

i think we should give WZ-111-5A back its front armor, we can nerf this tank dmg per min in exchange, i think it needs to have average good armor like old time,

[hardy belfry]

Yessir

[nimble zodiac]

I don’t think that will change much unless it allows it to sidescrape against prem shells somehow. The lower plate is always there otherwise

[clear shuttle]

give it 50kph top speed again and ill be happy

[regal iris]

@fallow eagle I said what I said cause you didn’t give any explanation or suggestion on what to buff. All you said was buff; nah put that shoutout to the side and give reasons and solutions to buff smh

[wind summit]

cause i mean, WZ-111-5A has the same role (Breakthrough Heavy Tank) like IS-7, but its frontal armor too weak to sustain enemies shots, even for light tanks shots or some medium tanks......

[prisma jetty]

IS-7 and the 5A definitely don't have the same role lmao

[remote sluice]

St. Emil on Lesta has 490 alpha 💀

[wind summit]

well at least that's how WOT PC said, but 5A got nerf Turret armor 300 to 240 wouldn't affect it's turret much, but its hull got nerf from 140 to 114 really make it weaker too much, especially against med/light enemies

[clear shuttle]

wot pc is different to blitz tho

[nimble zodiac]

Could you show it on the St. Emil stat screen?

Honestly port that difference to all of the other servers.

[wind summit]

i know......but......isn't 140 downgrade to 114 too much? 🥲 , i remember how i can bounced many bullets from low-pen med/light, but now even from afar they can easily pened my frontal hull armor xd

[remote sluice]

agreed, 490 at tier 7 is monstrous

[stone drum]

IS-5 buff suggestion:
APCR shell velocity-
1400 --> 1535
HEAT shell penetration-
270 --> 297
Dispersion on turret traverse-
.12 --> .06
Terrain resistances-
1.2/1.5/1.9 --> 1.1/1.4/1.8
Top speed
42kph --> 47kph

These changes are aimed to take what the tank already does and make it do those things signicantly better. Notably, the ability to snap shots & the Mobility considerably increases to allow the tank to take a more active role with a distinguished flavor without causing other IS-series tanks to become irrelevant.

[remote sluice]

a few things:

• apcr shell velocity at 1400 is already rlly good, it doesnt need more
• heat pen at 270 is already good so no need to increase it
• dispersion on movement from 0.26/0.26/0.12 down to 0.2/0.2/0.1 would be all around better for the tank
• terrain resistance is fine, no need to change
• top speed of 45km/h would suffice, 47km/h is too much. there is no need for a tier 8 Obj 277 (tier 10 heavium on wot pc)

[nimble zodiac]

I don't like the idea of 122mm heavy tanks being able to snapshot at all in a sufficient manner

[stone drum]

I mean it can barely snap shot, but only when steal. A better way to state it is that it is better at brawling.

@remote sluice you missed the point entirely, the idea was to take what was good about it and make it even better, not make it even more bland. Also the terrain resistances are pretty bad, 1.5 on medium terrain is just trash.

[remote sluice]

the thing is:

• why do u need 1500 shell velocity? the shell will just insta-hit anyways no matter if u have 1400 or 1500 shell velocity.
• 270 heat pen is enough to deal with tier 9 tanks. ur not shooting at tier 10s anyways, so there is so reason why a tier 8 heavy should have nearly 300mm heat pen
• ur on movement dispersion only improves that of the turret movement dispersion, while my suggestion helps the is-5 hit more snapshots as it is more accurate while moving/ while traversing/ while moving the turret. isn’t that what u want?
• yea i can agree w the terrain resistance buff
• 45km/h on a heavy is already plenty. 47km/h allows it to be able to easily catch up with mediums and slap them. it has great turret armor, nice hp pool, and good alpha, so there is no need for it to be able to bully meds. like, the T95E6 has bad turret armor and a tumor on the head to be able to go that fast

[stone drum]

1500 shell velocity is just nice same for Increased heat pen, it's just making the strengths stronger.

No, I just want IS-5 more accurate when turning the turret, but still absolutely horrendous when the hull moves

First off it very likely will be largely unable to actually even reach that 47kph top speed due to relatively unimpressive hp/t. Second off it unlike most fast tanks would be completely unable to hit anything on the move with its .26 dispersion on movement. So maybe it can barely catch mediums if it stays on roads, but then it would be largely unable to actually fight them until it stopped to aim. Even then it's terrible dpm & accuracy would take its toll when trying to actually fight mediums.

[ember idol]

Turning the IS-5 to a pseudo IS-8 would be interesting

[twin egret]

welp poll was deleted, but more people said it was balanced llol

[thorny timber]

people majority disliked the t57's balance changes because they thought inter clip = intra clip,you seriously think they'd know any better?

[faint merlin]

hi

[real bison]

I disliked it because it didn’t take away the clip booster, which is the actual thing that keeps it going

[chilly oyster]

Rhm?

[gleaming monolith]

Kunze panzer any good?

[remote sluice]

nah, only the St Emil has 490 alpha. however the Borsig, Waffle and Grille all have super speed boost (💀). moreover, Borsig and Waffle’s alpha is nerfed to 560, while Grille gets 7 deg depression and 17km/h reverse speed

[stone drum]

What you post tier X light tank stats, specifically mobility?

[remote sluice]

they’re pretty much exactly like how they were after 10.3, but none of them go faster than 54km/h

sheridan: 52km/h
t-100lt: 54km/h
vickers: 52km/h
wz-132-1: 54km/h
batchat: 52km/h

i will only post the sheridan’s top speed cus im too lazy to screenshot all of them

[stone drum]

💀

[torpid wraith]

So lesta just killed the lights. Bruh…

[clear shuttle]

dont the lts accelerate like a rocket

[mint isle]

bro the Bz line got nefed into the ground exspeshualy the bz 68 with 1.4k dpm

[stone drum]

AMX m4 mle. 49 balance suggestion:
Increase upper front plate thickness-
175mm --> 190mm
Increase thickness of ONLY the first panel of turret sides-
120mm --> 180mm
Increase top forward speed-
40kph --> 45kph
Increase reverse speed-
15kph --> 20kph

Basically just a minor fix, giving it abit of its old pre-release armour back and bringing its top speed limits inline with the AMX m4 54.

[remote sluice]

they do but it doesnt rlly matter anyways

[foggy ivy]

Let's not do that!
Decrease upper front plate thickness-
175mm --> 170mm
Decrease thickness of ONLY the first panel of turret sides-
120mm --> 80mm
Decrease top forward speed-
40kph --> 36kph
Decrease reverse speed-
15kph --> 12kph

[nimble zodiac]

😂

[clear shuttle]

decrease alpha from 310 --> 225

[cinder shard]

Just swap forward and reverse speeds, it's french anyway

[foggy ivy]

True and make it more receptive to get more fire damage, i love french toast in the morning
https://tenor.com/view/bfv-battlefield-churchill-tank-explosion-gif-27592588

[unique scaffold]

Buff grille with 20+ alpha

[remote sluice]

not +20, it needs a +60 alpha buff

[unique scaffold]

fr bro i be doin 740 dmg, i need 800 alpha with 9 sec reload

[mystic gorge]

I miss 640 alpha grille but tbh I understand what they were trying to do with the tank

[cyan birch]

have you seen the vickers light, my friend overtakes me in a medium

[manic spoke]

there needs to be a balance change with the HO-RI the gun needs to gu up 1mm in size it is so annoying that it is a 149mm gun and not a 150mm gun please fix that it triggers me and so many other ppl

[stone drum]

That's intentional though??

[manic spoke]

why cant they gu up 1 milimeter

[torpid wraith]

Might aswell go up 2mm so you can overmatch 50mm plates

[stone drum]

It already is, the name is 14.9 cm gun, but the actual caliber in-game is 150mm.

[unique scaffold]

please increase the damage for FV215B183.

[remote sluice]

adrenaline + tungsten combo on fast firing meds like CS-63 and Kpz 50t is a helluva drug

[severe basin]

Triggers many people? Dunno who your talking bout but your the first person ive seen to complain about that💀

[high smelt]

Please improve the accuracy on Sheridan, he has a long aim and often misses.

[cinder shard]

I mean it's a 152mm, you shouldn't expect a laser-gun. It works pretty well when you are aimed in or doing hit and runs

[high smelt]

Okay, yes, this is a good tank, fast, good visibility, camouflage, damage, but make it a little more accurate or make the aiming time shorter. 🫡

[real pendant]

Hey guys do u think the tier 9 foch deserved more hp

[severe tide]

ı balanced also my accounts freezing eu server account playing in na server becouse eu server full of losers in na server ım relaxed in game and is more normal everything without krill langauge!

[barren goblet]

If any tank is allright in french TD line, it's t9 foch. Not saying it's op, it's balanced tier 9. Rest of them are trash unfortunately

[ionic pond]

Meanwhile T77, Bofors and 53tp lmao
And all of them have a stronger general frontal armor profile

If we nerf their dispersion on move and aiming time, we can sleep safe

[remote sluice]

the tier 8 is phenomenal tho. highlight of the line for me

[final vortex]

Guys should I grind and elc bis or m41 bulldog

[sly echo]

PLEASE BALANCE WZ 113 g

[dusty pewter]

agreed

[thorn marten]

Not being able to pen ANYTHING but the lower plate even with gold shells sucks.

[stone drum]

Its still far from its former glory.

[fiery mesa]

Please buff the Badger, it's unplayable rn

[lone sandal]

LOL

[severe basin]

No💀

[dusty pewter]

Nothing can really pen its front other than that one spot and the lower plate. It also has more dpm than most tanks you will face how is it unplayable?

[eager roost]

Yk what td I really like? T28 and T95(US t8/9 TD)

[frigid sapphire]

I hope you're joking

[fiery mesa]

Nerf the AMX, that thing is too strong. It needs less turret armor

[clear shuttle]

feeding the troll fr

[void mantle]

Yes nerf 50b, turret is way too strong

[kindred geyser]

i really think WZ-111-5A (tier X) should take back their 140mm front hull armor.....(now only 114mm).....this is even weaker than WZ-114 (tier IX)

[severe basin]

Or hear me out nerf it even more hell nerf the turret too

[modest veldt]

Vickers light needs a buff nobody plays it by now.

[unique scaffold]

Buff grille alpha pls its so trash

[lone sandal]

give grille pre 9.1 gun stats but reduce its camo value to 1% stationary and otm

[unique scaffold]

Yea and give the grille 40 alpha points and making its dpm 4k

[clear shuttle]

nerf the alpha to 500 and remove reticle cali

[quasi ingot]

Ye true

[lone sandal]

W idea

[long lily]

Lol I'd prefer no troll posts

[solemn iris]

how can I find the supertest list?

[gloomy anchor]

No, Ho-ri prammo can pen its front, its bad, buff it 🗣️

[ancient rampart]

Arguably the strongest TD in the game is unplayable 😭

[rough mulch]

What happened to Chimera being a premium?
I recently logged into the game again to find it's become a collector's tank.
Smh.
Loved that tank for credit grinding. :(

[clear shuttle]

credit coeff didnt change

[rough mulch]

Ah. 😮‍💨

How does I find out what a tank's credit coefficient is?

[jade stratus]

give the wz113g ft 950 dmg (14.9s reload time) and call it a day

[dusty pewter]

Frfr I didn’t realize whoops

[nimble zodiac]

Gun rammer is dying

[viral harbor]

If CHIMERA lost Reticle calibration, I will delete game and sell my acc

[nimble zodiac]

Me when OP tank is less OP

[warped sable]

who even uses ret cali in the chimera

[remote sluice]

i do lol, but i dont mind not having it tbh

[real bison]

it’s losing reactive, which is one piece of the chimera puzzle

[ember idol]

It loses reactive apparently

[torpid wraith]

Probably for the best if you delete your game if you care about the chimera that much

[midnight linden]

Womp womp

[lone sandal]

rip meds

[clear shuttle]

chimera is fine without the consumables anyway

[torpid wraith]

Yeah without consumables it’s more annoying than strong

[quasi ingot]

Guys what yk what change will be with Is-3

[oblique canyon]

what

[final warren]

There's enough dpm tbh.

The one that sticks out to me is the nerfing of v stabs. It was already bad compared to refined gun for most tanks, but now it's just going to be bad

[lone sandal]

that too vstabs nerf is unjust

[prisma jetty]

Oh boy, I can’t wait for yet another T32 buff

[remote sluice]

some questionable equipment rebalances. i get that wg is trying to slow down games by nerfing rammer and adrenaline, but at the same time they’re buffing vents for autoloaders?

improved armor nerf is mind boggling. it already doesnt rlly add much on most tanks 💀

also, why the vstab nerf? it’s already not much of a viable choice on anything other than meds and foch 155, now it’s just obsolete compared to refined gun

[clear shuttle]

normally its the other way round for vstabs and refined..

[remote sluice]

yea i always go for vstabs in meds and Foch 155, but after s4 there is no reason to use it when the other one gives u a laser gun. maybe wg wants us to stop and aim?

[stone drum]

Finally, changing consumables and not messing with tanks base stats, how rotation balancing should work. Good job WG!

[final warren]

People think that v stabs is the better choice. But if you actually crunch the numbers, refined gun is better for a lot of tanks.

I can explain if you want

After the update, v stabs will be worse for 99% of tanks

[clear shuttle]

no i can understand that, some of the shots i hit with the 60tp were pretty nasty and ive ran refined on it for ages
(and some other niche tanks)

[stone drum]

Please do, I'm very curious

[sudden island]

why they need to buff is3? lol

[prisma jetty]

It’s rather mediocre, the bigger question is why T32 is on that list

[clear shuttle]

clearly its an "underperforming" tank

[boreal salmon]

Why t32 got another buff?.. that tank already become a beast after the last buff... Are people still s**t when using that tank?... I remember using t32 before they give it better gun and better turret armor lol ... That tank cant pen anything using t29 gun(vs tier VIII and IX) lol.

[torpid wraith]

Probably doesn’t get used. Can’t remember the last time I saw one in battle

[remote sluice]

i feel like wg is actually trying to make ppl stop and aim, while lowering dpm consumables & equipments to slow down games. good moves i guess but vents buff is still questionable if they rlly want to slow down games

[stone drum]

Vents buff it very good, previously every autoloader just ran calibrated which wasn't exactly good for the game.

[final warren]

So v stabs only reduces dispersion during movement. Refined gun (RG) reduces dispersion all the time, even when you are moving.

So to recap, vstab reduces 3 different dispersion values. RG reduces 4. (Dispersion being moving, rotating, turret, and base).

When you are rotating, moving, and turning your turret, vstabs will be the better option. However, you will almost never be in that situation. And you will likely miss no matter what you do.

It's much more common to be just moving and turning your turret, at least that is what you should strive for because you usually don't need to be turning your hull to get shots on target.

So, for the STB 1 using vstabs, you have base .326 + moving .09 + turret .07 = .486 total dispersion. Using RG, it is .293 + .1 + .08 = .473. So, RG is the clear winner in your most likely scenario. It also wins when you add rotating hull dispersion (.573 vs .576)

This is repeated for the t62a, carro, e50m, Vickers is the same, sherry is the same, BC, and others that I didn't calculate.

In general, if you're running a medium or light, RG is usually better for on the move shots. If you're using heavies, v stabs is better for on the move shots. I didn't calculate TDs.

You also have to remember that RG is not only helping during movement, but it also helps your fully aimed shots

Sorry for the wall lol

[lone sandal]

don't nerf vstabs

[boreal salmon]

New Players need to stop rushing and dying in just 30 second after the start of the match(and that not even because of ammorack).. its not because of the equipment and consumable... But most new players nowadays are just... Clueless and have illness of NOT giving a f**k to any tutorial and advice given to them. Its an online game with team based match. Its one thing if this game was single player.

[clear shuttle]

i cant wait to yolo in the foch and end the game in under 1 minute and 30 seconds

[final warren]

WG needs to make tutorials and mechanic guides for them. And then they have to make them easy to access

[remote sluice]

i feel like for stuff w horrible handling like Foch 155, VStab feels better

[stone drum]

You forgot about V-stabs effect on aftershot dispersion (if im not stupid)?

[quasi ingot]

True and i agree

[boreal salmon]

Yeah im using Vstab on all of my mt/lt.. and some HT... Need some on the move shooting clutch... Really saved some of my epic match ... And end up winning.

[final warren]

V stabs slightly decreases aim time, so if that is what you're after, then yes vstabs will be better.

However, if you are trying to maximize your shots on the move, it isn't so cut and dry as I explained. (Since aim time doesn't help on the move shots)

@remote sluice I just did the calculations for foch and yeah you're right vstabs is better. But after the update I doubt vstabs will be better because RG is getting buffed and vstabs is getting nerfed.

@boreal salmon If you want to min max, I would recommend doing the calculations to see if RG is better for the tanks you play. There are a lot of mediums and lights where RG is better than vstabs

[lone sandal]

yeah after the update vstabs will be useless don't nerf vstabs

[tough trout]

Dear WG, just why? Why go, and fix something that is not broken? Like equipment system that served us all pretty well for a long time? I just don’t understand the reason to make so much changes simultaneously. If some equipment seems overpowered, or underpowered why not change just that, one at a time? Same goes for global rebalancing. Why not just buff/nerf things that really need it?

[boreal salmon]

I already did.. in the past RG was my go to equipment of all of my tank... Back then my playstyle was more passive ... And now im more aggressive(cause of how fast my teammates died nowadays)... Using RG given me many bad shot on the move.. so for all of my mt/lt i given them vstab cause my tendency to quickly reposition when the situation is dire while also gave the enemies some payback while on the move giving me leeway when i arrived on the new post. Its honestly back to each own gameplay.... Its just my experience with both RG and Vstab for 9 years. Rather calculation.. im more into... "This equipment doesn't feel good with my playstyle". And some really good experience after using each equipment...with fair amount of battle.. and my conclusion is my current mt/lt and some ht aggressive playstyle are better with vstab. RG is good ... But it was for my past playstyle.

[final warren]

What mediums do you play?

If it's the STB, 62a, carro, or e50m, then I've confirmed that RG is better for on the move shots.

Unless you're consistently shooting while fully traversing your hull, moving fast, and turning your turret, then you should probably be using RG on your mediums. I'd have to know what mediums you play to confirm though

If you're wanting better aim time and don't care about dispersion, then yeah vstabs is better

[boreal salmon]

I have all tech tree tier 10 mt(and new one 50t) well i have all tier 10 tech tree tanks... That why i said "to each own playstyle(the past and current)" if we use stats calculation then yeah RG have some advantage.. and on the move here.. is clutch moving shot(which in my experience after changing to vstab hit the mark more than when im using rg, yes some of the shoot are definitely luck based lol)... Im not always shooting on the move, because its stupid and i paid dearly for that in the past...

[final warren]

If you aren't always shooting in the move then that's even more of an argument to use RG.

It's all well and good that you're basing your choices off of "this feels good" but the stats dont lie. RG is just better for a lot of meds, no matter your play style

[boreal salmon]

Stats wont lie that is true cause its constant number but our own current playstyle also give the tank their own advantage(playstyle are included on terrain map usage, tank stats usage etc)... And i said it after experienced each of them. Keep Changing it until i feel which one is better with my current playstyle. Its just after i replay and match using all of my mt both with vstab then with rg or vice versa.

Ofcourse own playstyle isnt constant it will change depend on the person... just like how in the past i used RG on all of my tank cause of my playstyle back then is different.

[jade stratus]

is the t57 good? im wondering if its worth getting after the sheridan

[final warren]

You're right play style does make a difference for a lot of tanks.

I'm just saying, for tanks like the STB, play style does not matter. No matter how you look at it, RG is better on the STB. RG gives you straight up better stats than vstabs on it. No amount of gut feelings will change that

[serene igloo]

Just get chinese TD on tier 10 and play only that. Tier 10s don’t get better than Wz113G FT

[boreal salmon]

T57 is still good... But it become a shadow of its former past (it was really good)... If you like autoloader. Its still one of the best autoloader HT and its become easier to use.

[regal iris]

Huge turn of events for the next patch note/update

IMO I think they are literally buffing any tanks that run Tungsten shells, Reactive armor, and reticle calibration (which most the time are OP/cracked tanks) and lowkey nerfing any tanks that don’t have those options. Like those consumables I just mentioned were put on certain tanks to compensate for their lack of specified ability (ie. armor, pen, or dispersion)

[boreal salmon]

That why im agree stats wise its better...
Practical wise its extremely depend and more on personal level...
For me, im liking my current mt/lt with vstab. For other people? Is up to them.
Nerfing vstab mean i needed to change my playstyle again(which isnt a big deal but tiresome and not as fun as my current playstyle), and i do salty about it.

[jade stratus]

wz113g might get nerfed/
please explain why the e3 got nerfed tho.. its lower plate is so easy to pen now

[final warren]

If it is better stat wise then it is better practical wise.

Your logic is flawed a bit. With your logic, you are saying an e100 with 4k dpm may or may not be better than the current e100.

Which we would both agree is a wrong statement

[boreal salmon]

Well in the past it was one of the worse td to use... It has no armor and its lower plate isnt spaced... And its sluggish af.. today?... Its fast and agile for its tier and.. its front armor needed extremely high pen gun and angle to just pen it.. also spaced lower plate... For anti max hesh damage

[prisma jetty]

The cookening

[thorny timber]

i don't understand, why is apcr the least benefitting with cali when it needs it the most first place?

[boreal salmon]

Yes you are right master im just a poor noob... *Kneel

And yes past e100 is better than current high alpha e100 better accuracy stats and better reload time 😘(considering you put "current e100" assuming you compare it with the past one)..... Just like past wz 120 122gun with only -3° depression was extremely fun tank... it lose it unique -3° mt playstyle lol
it just like t54 playstyle with big gun and weaker hull armor.. and that it...

[bleak arch]

Probably cause it's mostly on tanks that already have decent AP pen? I don't really know either but stuff like e50m will have even better heat pen after this so idk it kinda balances itself out

[stone drum]

Shouldn't acceleration & speed effect the bloom though? Faster you drive obviously the worse the bloom

[final warren]

Sheesh, why are you getting salty? No need to be a grouch.

I was presenting a hypothetical situation. With your logic, a hypothetical e100 with 4k dpm could be worse than the current e100. EDIT: I meant to say worse not better

I am trying to show you that your logic is flawed. If RG gives a tank better stats than vstabs, then it doesnt matter what your play style is. RG is better.

@stone drum Yeah that's right. Once you account for this, RG has even more of an advantage against vstabs. Since RG affects the base dispersion, it is always at 100% effectiveness. Vstabs is only at 100% effectiveness when you are at full speed, full traverse, and full turret rotation.

[prisma jetty]

Dude, read. It quite literally says what’s happening

[boreal salmon]

You think why i keep repeating "own playstyle" cause im not generalizing anyone playstyle with my own. And on practical the condition isnt constant many outside factor effect it.. that why its depend lol... Like map, terrain, ping, and even the player themselves... Im not saying RG is worse.. im just saying my current newfound mt/lt playstyle is better with vstab (then i explain why in long paragraphs and that only me.. other people is to their own playstyle and i dont care.. you want to use cause stats wise? Go ahead.. cause you like your playstyle ? Go ahead)
the fact that you keep arguing about MY OWN newfound FUN playstyle is quite a b*tch thing...

Yes stats wise its not the best(and i always fully agree for stats(f*cking constant number) comparison wise) and on tournament im always change it to RG or as my captain order cause that competitive tournament and that obvious for cause in tournament even i cant use my usual random battle playstyle and need to use my extremely competitive tournament set up and playstyle does it fun? Its tiresome that why on random battle i change alot of my equipment trying to find my fun playstyle...

But we are talking about random battle.. using your own mix of equipment that compatible with your own playstyle... As long as you arent a pain in the ass for your team.. and a not a troller. i dont care about other people playstyle as long as they have fun but not ruining their own team.

[final warren]

If you find nerfing yourself fun, then by all means have at it.

I'm glad you enjoy it

[thorny timber]

its ok,t8 russian heavies are mostly mediocre anyways

[soft spindle]

50b is about to be broken

[scenic olive]

How so?i know there giving it a consumable (probably speed boost) but idk if it will be broken though

[soft spindle]

They are giving it reactive

[stone drum]

I mean it's good now, but definitely nothing insane. reactive will help, but it definitely won't be broken. If anything it's Survivability is staying about at the status quo since the hp & mobility will both end up getting worse.

[soft spindle]

It will be broken, reactive is getting buffed, and also the vents buff will be huge for it

Reactive it’s an absolutely broken consumable, they are buffing it and making the cooldown less, any tanks with reactive are going to be very very good if not OP

[stone drum]

Dude, a single consumable isn't going to suddenly make the most fragile heavy tank in-game broken. It will be strong, but certainly not broken or OP.

[eager trout]

My opinion about Minotauro
Then tank is interesting but at the same time very moody, I have nothing against this armor and mobility, but I can say that Mino has terrible gun - There is no 2700 dpm but only a 2330; APCR shells + 289 pen are actually weaker than AP with 271 pen; APCR shells are for guns with good dispersion, no matter what distance; APCR often gives less damage and more hits instead of pen with Mino's dispersion; Each time you get shot u need to reaim again! The aiming time is too big for this tank - I had more fun on Foch 155 gun than Mino, where gun is way more trustworthy; APCR shells with reserve shell is worst idea ever - sudden defeat because shell decided to fly away or to hit or not pen or do lowest damage ruins this tank's gun way too much. Yes this tank is fun but SHELLS type sucks

[prisma jetty]

Definitely not

[eager trout]

Also who needs Maus and E100 for normal battles if Vk72 and Vk90 is way better than them?

[remote sluice]

after the update vstab is useless, rg all the way even w foch

[final warren]

Yeah, I assume WG did this because people use vstabs more than refined.

But they overdid it. They should've just made the descriptions clearer

[nocturne mauve]

Stop adding super consumables to tanks

[soft spindle]

What do all the comp tanks used by the best teams have in common right now. Kran, vk72, WZ, Batchat, is7, etc? Super consumables. Sure if you are just a 40%er then reactive armor at tier 10 won’t the tank broken, but for any decent players, the 50b will be one of the best heavies after the update

[prisma jetty]

Reactive isn’t going to just make the 50b broken, especially when it doesn’t affect HE shells. The 50b is already an opportunistic tank, so reactive really isn’t going to affect it all that much

[twilit crystal]

Eh clip reload boost isn’t really what makes the batchat good. It’s a solid bonus but honestly standard tanks have adrenaline

[soft spindle]

True but it helps a lot, however for heavy tanks all the comp ones are mostly comp due to reactive or tungsten, remember e5 meta? That was solely because of reactive and speed boost. Now e5s are almost never used due to lack of those consumables

[scenic olive]

HE ammo completely ignores reactive you know? Wg nuked the armor on the 50b so reactive would essentially be useless, I mean u literally get he’d in the front. I’d honestly rather have super speed boost.

[final warren]

I think clip reload boost is stronger than adrenaline.

The biggest thing holding an autoloader back is their intraclip reload. Being able to reduce it by so much is huge.

Adrenaline isn't a good counter to clip reload boost

[soft spindle]

Actually most of the time the 50b takes damage it’s ap to the turret, if you are getting consistently he’ed in the 50b you are playing it wrong

[twilit crystal]

In fact imo people will shoot he more at 50b front and miss or fail to pen and then do even less dmg if u use reactive

[soft spindle]

^ this as well

[remote gate]

damn bro we get turbo foch now

[unborn hare]

isu 130 with tungsten will be fun

[remote sluice]

foch 155 looking pretty cooked

[torpid wraith]

Buff the bad premiums nah. Let’s just give them consumables, the sheer level of incompetence is remarkable

[scenic olive]

I’m not getting consistently he’d, nor am I playing it wrong, I’m just saying that reactive really isn’t going to make much of a difference, and it’s definitely not gonna make it “op”.

[soft spindle]

lol ok, we will see

[stuck sky]

@soft spindle hi

[soft spindle]

Hey lol what’s up

[remote sluice]

reactive will not make 50b OP, it only makes it be able to take more hits unless it runs into british hesh

[thorny timber]

People will not perform noticeably better in it until it doesn't have Armor,nothing to worry about it

[stuck sky]

Hi

[remote sluice]

the foch 155 is gonna be goofy af next season lmao

[barren goblet]

Not a fan of balancing tanks through consumables. Better than nothing tho

[remote gate]

i want my 215b reactive back

[torpid nebula]

FOCH BEST TONK NOW FINALLY 💪💪💪💪💪💪

[heady rose]

Hello

[scenic olive]

Ya Foch kinda gonna be insane, and it finally got the 17 reverse speed

[ancient rampart]

Ho-Ri reactive 😵‍💫

[remote gate]

50b reactive do be saucy, though it wont make much of a differnece. atleast i can get away with more things now lol

[soft spindle]

Y’all crazy lol, vents buff and rammer nerf alone will make the 50b very good, reactive is an incredibly overpowered consumable, yall will be complaining about how good it is come next update. I don’t even like the 50b im just stating that the super consumables make any mediocre tank semi broken (again insert e5 meta) I don’t like the fact that they buff tanks that way, but that’s just how it’s done

[scenic olive]

They should have gave it super speed for fun

[prisma jetty]

Super consumables don’t make mediocre tanks semi-broken, look at the CS-63. E5 was a fine tank before they gave it reactive. 113gft without reactive is still a very good tank. This is not going to make the 50b broken.

[soft spindle]

We shall see lol

[boreal salmon]

@final warren Do you ever taste autoloader foch the first time they release that gun?... That tank was outrageously broken... 640 alpha.. pre rebalance HE damage... 1 mag grille and wt (before they gave em spall liner). It was really fun ruining other team day with that tank... The tungsten consumable will be good but wont bring the foch with autoloader to its former glory... Atleast it will make it deal higher average damage than the current one... The speed one will be interesting to try ngl.

[final warren]

I think you pinged the wrong guy

[boreal salmon]

No... That just your headcanon

[final warren]

Yeah you definitely pinged the wrong guy

[boreal salmon]

Sure, whatever make you happy, i guess.

[final warren]

Dude, you literally did @ me. Go look at the message, it says @final warren Are you trolling me?

If you didn't @ me, then tell me why it says @final warren Honestly, there's no need to turn into a troll

[clear shuttle]

i love having 410 premium pen on my ho ri

[final warren]

I love it when an armored tank tries to use their armor against me in my hori.

The hori is the ultimate equalizer

[dense flint]

Buff IS-7, or nerf vk 90.01

Only two options

Do NOT click the link above me. I know a .ru link when I see one

[stone drum]

Why would IS-7 need a buff?

[prisma jetty]

Why does the IS-7 need a buff or VK90 need a nerf?

[dense flint]

The whole point of the weaker chassis that can’t be side scraped is that the turret is supposed to be rly good, but turret cheeks to easy pen. Vk 90 is op in tournaments because of how good it is at baiting shots, side scraping, and turret is fully un pennable if angled correctly (at least un pennable from other heavies of that tier)

[clear shuttle]

ok but the is-7 is a good spear head tank and when used properly it can be annoying to fight even in comp

[prisma jetty]

VK90 is rarely used in tournaments because of how easy it is to deal with 💀

[soft fern]

They should buff kpz 07 Rh armor its a medium but has no turret armor even a tier 1 can pen ;-;

[prisma jetty]

Nah it’s fine

[soft fern]

Kpz should be a light with that armor💀

[errant anchor]

It's already one of the better t8 meds

Doesn't need a buff at all...

[main tulip]

Suggestment for Equipment changes modification, from @stone drum

Gun Rammer — Will give 1% less to gun reload speed for heavy tanks & tank destroyers.
Calibrated Shells — The final bonus to armor penetration will be +7/6/11.5/8% for AP/APCR/HEAT/HE shells.
Improved Ventilation (for autoloader tanks) — Will give 3% more to crew mastery.

Improved Modules — Will no longer increase the durability of fuel tanks and ammunition rack. It will give +20% track durability and +40% to the reduction of ramming damage.
Defense System — The chance to avoid crew injuries will improve by 7%, and from ammo rack detonation by 18%.

Improved Optics — The final increase in view range will be 11% for light tanks, 8% for medium tanks, 6% for heavy tanks, and 4% for tank destroyers.
Camouflage Net — The final increase in invisibility rate will be 2% for heavy tanks, 5% for medium tanks, 7% for light tanks, and 9% for tank destroyers. When stationary for 3 seconds, the camo bonus will double.
Improved Vertical Stabilizer (for some tanks) — Vertical up aiming will improve by 1 degree.
Improved Suspension (for some tanks) — Will provide +20% / +20% / +30% to terrain crossing capability on roads, ground, and water, respectively.

Enhanced Gun Laying Drive — Bonus to Aiming will improve by 5%.
Supercharger — bonus to Shell velocity will improve by 10%, and the bonus for the decrease of armor penetration with distance will improve by 15%.

Enhanced Armor — The bonus to armor will be increased by 1%.
Improved Assembly — The bonus to the amount of durability will be reduced by 2% for tank destroyers, and 1% for all other classes.

Improved Control — The bonus to hull turn speed will be increased by 2%, Terrain resistance on medium terrain will also now be improved by 10%.
Engine Exhilarator — The final bonus to engine power will be 7% for medium, heavy, light tanks, 5% for tank destroyers.

Vertical Stabilizer — The bonus to accuracy while moving and turret turning will be reduced by 2% for heavy tanks, tank destroyers, and improve by 2% for light tanks.
Refined Gun — The bonus to accuracy will be improved by 5% for heavy, light tanks, and 7% for medium tanks & tank destroyers (excluding Fv215b 183)

[wind summit]

so.......there won't be any buff for 111-5A frontal armor?

we can nerf its reload time or maybe -20 alpha dmg ;-; just give back it's 140mm front hull armor ;-;

[clear shuttle]

id rather not have its alpha nerfed anymore 🙏

[wind summit]

so let's just nerf its reload time maybe, i just need it get some armor against mt/lt enemies, they can literally shot through up-front hull armor of 111-5A T-T

[crude saffron]

So, I would like to ask what new items will be given to the French Tank Fighter Vehicle Fuxu 155 next time, as well as what will be given to the AMX 50B and Vickers Light? Can anyone answer me? Thank you very much!

[stone drum]

The high dpm is the point of 5a, if you remove that, you remove its raison d'être.

[remote sluice]

the French Overpowered Combat Helicopter 155 will be getting super speed boost, tungsten and gear oil

the AMX 50b(alls) is getting reactive armor

Vickers Light gets reticle cali

[wind summit]

well, then just only buff it like old times, increase its reload time, 460 alpha, 140mm hull armor front, 300mm turret front.....

but that's not what i'm asking for, 240mm is enough for its turret, i just want it have 140mm front-hull like before, 440 alpha were lower (-20) than 460 before but i don't have excuse for that, i just want 140mm hull armor like old times, just need some armor against mt/lt, that's all 😦

[harsh ravine]

I honestly dislike how they're giving the French TDs gimmicks (consumables) instead of actually buffing their characteristics.

[remote sluice]

it only solves the reverse speed of the foch 155, otherwise it does nothing.

foch gets its old alpha for a few seconds then back to the goofy 500 alpha. a few seconds of the foch actually be able to turn well then back to having horrible traverse. not cool imo

[median steppe]

give caliban reticle calibration pls

[wind summit]

lmao, it's like you're asking 183 get RC

[median steppe]

yeah but one would be funny, and one would not be

[frigid sapphire]

Foch should get its old Autoloading mechanism

13s of interclip and 7s of intra clip.🗣️

Also 520 alpha cause why not

[remote gate]

No. 640, take it or leave it.

[real bison]

110mm armour hmm yes tier 1s can pen

[lost crane]

VS T44
No turret armor 💀
Ofc it doesn't have an impervious turret armor, but it's still decent

[real bison]

tfw any gun with under 190 pen will struggle

[lost crane]

Just for fun, this is how it looks against a t1 😑

[foggy wagon]

why can,t i play on Russa

[soft fern]

I just said a tier 1 cant pen for fun

[shrewd crag]

Buff RHM. It needs buffs on its gun.
And I mean both of them.
The Rhm should have the same choice as the conway where you have the stock high dpm low alpha gun with good accuracy and a big derp guns as the optional.
Make the 12.8cm of the Rhm have more dpm like 2600 to 2800 dpm.
And buff the accuracy of the 15cm to .344
Because 580dmg for .41 dispersion is too bad for a td.
Buff the aim time and accuracy of the 15cm or give it back it's +600 dmg per shot gun.

[atomic lance]

nope ur just bad

[severe basin]

Do not cook ever again

[lost crane]

I kinda agree, rhm need some buff, but I will stay 2.5k-2.6k for the 12,8cm, and only 0.37-0.38 for the 15cm (it still has ret cal)

[shrewd crag]

Thanks for your agreement.
I am sad that WG kept nerfing the 12.8cm like it's nothing.
I was fine the fact they nerf the dmg on the 15cm.
But nerfing the dpm of the 12.8cm was total BS.
They should have never touched the reload time in the first place.

[barren pebble]

Stop to sell barbecue for 23 euros. I t s the worst idea the turtle license. It smells uggly panty of kid.

[plucky mantle]

they need to return the average damage of the grille and his entire family to the original which was 640 otherwise

[ancient rampart]

Nah just the Borsig and Waffle

[sudden island]

jeez. that thing is already a monster dude in public mm. I suggest give it 600. and increase its reload time to 1 sec. hell, even 600 is too much for avg dmg.

Or, just give it tungsten round

[plucky mantle]

it has the lowest alpha among the 150mm TDs, with the difference that it is simply paper, look at the wz113gft, impenetrable armor, extra life points and reactive armor. and even with all this the alpha damage is 640 or something like that if I'm not mistaken and the grille which is pure paper the armor hits shoots 580.

[ancient rampart]

Ho-Ri > Grille

[sudden island]

I agree with WZ. they should make that thing have a poor dispersion and aim time to make sure people play it as an assault td. not a sniping td. but grille has the ability to snap shot. it is kinda troll to the auto aim if u only show the turret and keep poking back and forth. Idk man, I have unlocked grille for ages. i never wanted to buy it yet despite having 100 mil .++ credits.

[plucky mantle]

anyone is better than grille, a tank without any armor and still shoots cushions

[grave whale]

Buff fv215b183 hesh to 1390 just like he shell. It doesn't feel like a 183 now. Autoloaders do already more than thousand damage easily like tvp. People complain about 183 when tvp exists doing 1300 damage going 60 kmh. Its a 183mm so it is normal to do such damage right so why cry? In pc it does it in one shot like 1800 1900 2000 damage

[torpid wraith]

This guy wants the 183 to do near 1.4k damage. Yeah why don’t you stop suggesting changes

[stone drum]

Ho-ri:

[lost crane]

TVP need 5,6 sec to shoot its clip, and has 1k less dpm, so I'm ok for 1390, but you need to increas the reload by 10 sec (to almost 30s reload)

[remote sluice]

foch 155 has 500 alpha on the autoloader (it’s a 155mm)

[plucky mantle]

Hori is 149mm

[stone drum]

In name sure, but it's actual caliber in-game is 150mm.

[plucky mantle]

with a two shoots

[dawn stump]

Rethink t32 #nomoretrash

[winged lion]

Friends, how do you feed back relevant opinions to wg?

[remote sluice]

that doesnt hit anything and rolls like a 130. be happy u can still hit shots that does 80 more damage

[cinder shard]

Either post them in the according channels here on Discord or share them via a Ticket over the official website

[winged lion]

I find it amazing and shocking to increase heat penetration by 13%

[cinder shard]

It's not a bad tank, the dpm is still great, so is the gunhandling, accuracy and mobility. I still enjoy it and play it from time to time.

[clear shuttle]

grille isnt as trash as everyone says it is imo, but its not anything too special rn

[tough shell]

Its nothing like it used to be, there s absolutely no reason to use it over alternatives currently

[clear shuttle]

funny turret

[wispy leaf]

why they suddenly changed E3 gun sound, just bought it today. i came to realized tht i still prefer older versions of weapon sounds.

[cinder shard]

Apart from better accuracy, great dpm and good mobility. The only things that were nerfed are the alpha and topspeed, while the pen, dpm and traverse got buffed

[stone drum]

I thought the dpm got nerfed?

[sweet python]

wg still don't know how to balance there own game

[marsh grail]

Fellow citizen so happy to see one in this game . Come in private i want to chat with you.

[drowsy plaza]

Depending on tier the tanks are generally quite well balanced. The issue is primarily the player base.

[clever badge]

balanbce idea make fv215b 183 2000 dmg but less pen and give it 35 second reload and make accuracy aweful and nerf the armor intop the ground make its mobility better

[royal birch]

[rain reef]

In such a tank, 70% of players would do 0 damage

[analog badger]

Give 4005 access to the 183mm instead

[gloomy anchor]

Foch's autoloading gun should have AP and not APCR as classic rounds

[fallow eagle]

Buff obj 268v4 alpha dmg
Also convert standard ammo from apcr to ap

[torpid wraith]

Bruh we literally used to have the v4 with higher alpha. It got changed down since it was to punishing when it missed with its meh accuracy

[sly vessel]

T-34-3. A nice big gun on a med. except unlike a Chimera its gun depression is a joke. 8 deg would be suitable, I mean a chimera has 10 with its big gun. Also its engine is weak. Other meds track you down by the time you turn around in this thing. If you give a tank a decent alpha gun it must have one of the two other items, gun depression, or a better engine for repositioning. It’s a one trick pony. I wanna like it but ugh…..

[real bison]

yeah great idea give a strong turret -8deg

the thing the 34-3 has is aimtime

[prisma jetty]

A high alpha gun doesn’t have to have anything. The entire point of it is the high alpha. It also has a strong turret and decent enough mobility. If you cannot perform well in the tank, that is not the tank’s fault.

[sly vessel]

Disagree wholeheartedly. Chimera as stated before has a great turret AND 10 deg with its alpha. Not performing well was not an issue I stated, just stating the obvious shortcomings of the tank

[mystic gorge]

if u think chimera has a great turret.,. your standards are exceedingly low armor wise

[prisma jetty]

So you’re complaining that a tank has shortcomings that keep it from being too strong. Thats crazy.

[sly vessel]

lol. A stretch. Check your stats on any decent alpha tank you have, compare them, and get back to me.

[prisma jetty]

Not a stretch, but whatever you say buddy. The tank is balanced and doesn't need a buff, the fact you think it does is indicative that you are underperforming and need to get better at the game.

I love using this game. See how it says “last battle 2y ago” in the top right corner? You see, I played the game yesterday, that’s not my account buddy. I can also say that you don’t have the T-34-3, meaning you’re complaining about it without ever playing it.

[severe basin]

Literally no what its pretty obvious by now that chinese tanks got trash gun depression and they are supposed to have that

[sly vessel]

I actually do play it. Quite a bit ‘buddy’. You might notice I haven’t played on my account in a while either. Took over my sons account for fun when he stopped playing because he had tanks I didn’t have so thought it would be fun. Let’s see. 105 battles I. It and 63% so far. Didn’t say I didn’t enjoy tank, just said it lacks some things that would make it more fun

[fallow eagle]

Yea but the game has evolved alot since the alpha nerf and tanks such as e100 and obj 268 are packing 680+ alpha
268 currently is faster and has flat out better gun than v4
Plus with the changes to equipment,armor on v4 slowly will become a bit irrelevant with heavies packing 340+mm pen
@real bison
Why don't you get outta here with your mid as heck opinion

[prisma jetty]

It sucks that you don’t enjoy it but that doesn’t mean the tank needs a buff.

[real bison]

screw the v4

get outta here with your mid as heck crutch tank

[severe basin]

Literally giving something like the t34 3 gun depression is the stupidest idea ever with that strong turret

[open herald]

give the fv215b 183, 600mm armor all around, even the back. then give it 20000mm of standard pen. finally give it a 0.89 second reload with pinpoint accuracy. fair and balanced

[median steppe]

hmm, nice ideas, but the problem is, it can still richochet. i suggest upping the caliber to 10 meters, give it 5000 alpha, and mach 100 shell velocity to ensure it cannot miss.

[stuck acorn]

people will still miss. Introduce an auto aiming mechanic and wall ignoring mechanic to it, that will automatically aim at enemies and allow it to shoot through obstacles

[median steppe]

of course! how stupid am I to not think of obstacles. I believe it also needs 5km of view range that penetrates obstacles

[nimble zodiac]

Just say 5km of proxy-spotting range

[stone drum]

To be fair, T-34-3 is kinda underperforming & a mobility buff would really help it.

[prisma jetty]

It's pretty middle of the road for tier 8 meds, it doesn't need a buff

[barren goblet]

Issue with tier 8 meds is people compare everything to raac, chimera, mk1 defender, t27, progetto etc. When in reality, tier 8 tech tree meds are so trash t-34-3 is above average lol

[stone drum]

Eh... it's not a bad tank by any margin, but I would still say it's on the lower side. Still a fun tank.

Like I said just giving it like a 2-4 kph more top speed and 1 extra hp/t would really help the tank keep up.

[final warren]

"not a bad tank"

Shows a chart where it's the worst performing tank lol

I agree, it needs a buff if it's on the bottom

[stone drum]

Well their are other factors that go into that chart that must be considered, and when you post the other charts it isn't performing that bad.

[barren goblet]

Wont argue with that. I hope t7-9 tech mediums in general get buff because they need it.

[ancient rampart]

I wouldn't say tech tree meds for tier 7-8-9 are bad
They're just nothing special like some of the premiums/collectors are

[gleaming apex]

rexodia has been warned.

[noble dust]

Rebalance M-62T2 when?

Becuz M-62 on ST-I and IS-8 is more powerful than M-62 IS-4

[ember idol]

The IS-4 gets the short end of the stick thanks to 10.3

[regal iris]

I was summoned?? What’s the problem

[ancient rampart]

what

[regal iris]

It’s a joke lol, but fr tho Who’s tryin to buff 7-9 meds, that’s a wild suggestion cause I can rack off plenty of meds that really dont need a buff

[ancient rampart]

😐

[clear shuttle]

🫥

[marsh grail]

😐

[barren goblet]

More like you can mention few that are ok and majority that are quite underwhelming. But it's fine , everything is perfect when they have mid mobility, worse gun and HP than heavies and for most part no armor even on turret worth noting. Players are doing so great in them, that's why majority are in sub 47% section of data charts.

[unique scaffold]

<@&481447501690568709> name and shaming

💀

[torpid wraith]

Dude reporting him for naming and shaming with the wrong account 💀

[gleaming apex]

sturm_69 has been warned.

[clever badge]

152 gun 2024 make foch and grille and sheridan guns great again

[cinder shard]

Don't remember Sheridan ever getting it's alpha dmg nerfed. 560 is more than enough for a light

[ocean cairn]

Foch is getting tungsten, so yea

[prisma jetty]

The one on the ST-1 is much worse, and the one on the IS-8 has better otm, but worse aimtime

[sly vessel]

lol children. It does nothing. Absolutely nothing. Hilarious. @torpid wraith

[eternal schooner]

Привет всем

[lunar glade]

give obj 268 higher dpm, that 350k exp wasn't for a dpm worse than obj 263

[analog badger]

Obj 268 is like top 2 or top 3 best TDs in the game rn lol

[remote gate]

It hits for 690 already for every 13.5s, no.

[sly vessel]

Bite me

[stone drum]

Honestly at this point ST-I & IS-8 are kinda mismatched.

[dim ibex]

i i think emil 1951 should get the same consumables as the kran emil 2 and emil 1 has like the increased speed or at least the reticle calibration which could boost emil 1951 by alot

[barren goblet]

It doesnt need speed boost because it's more mobile by default than emil 1 at cost of armor , but reticle cali for sure. Emil 1 is already better and after speed boost buff next update even more so. If both had reticle, you could say they are different flavor and both great.

[unique scaffold]

Agreed.

[lunar glade]

13.5? Ohhh you have gun rammer don't you

[native folio]

Strengthen lower glacial plate on Ferdinand by 5-20mm

[winged lion]

Tiger Ⅱ tanks go where after the version update? Class 8 heavy duty tanks will have 242 mm AP instead of 225 mm AP, Tiger Ⅱ's hull, upper, lower, turret will be at random puncture.

Even worse, the additional armor enhancements were reduced from 4% to 3%

[prisma jetty]

Oh no, the tiger 2 no longer being impenetrable frontally to standard? How horrible!

[winged lion]

If a special projectile is used, of course, it can penetrate easily. But in the future, a standard projectile can penetrate...

[ember idol]

Finally there goes the Tiger 2's invincibility

[prisma jetty]

Just angle. It’s really not that hard. Oh no, its lower plate is going to be penetrable now! (Like every other tank.)

[barren goblet]

isnt emil51 pen very high for t8 heavy. Ones with 210-225 pen will need prammo still

[prisma jetty]

Ones with 225 will have 243 standard next update with cali, currently 1951 with cali gets 441.5

[winged lion]

Tiger Ⅱ is not Tiger or E100

[prisma jetty]

My brother in Christ, look at the picture. That is a Tiger 2, like you are asking for, without enhanced armor, against an Emil 1951 using cali, giving it 241.5mm of AP penetration, 1.5mm below what heavies with 225mm of standard pen will get next update using cali. You can clearly see that angling does indeed help the tank's upper plate bounce. Sorry that your brainless noangle needed tank is now turned into something where you need to actually use your brain. JK, I'm not sorry at all, suck it up and learn how to play the game properly.

[winged lion]

Any player who has played should know that the side of the turret of the Tiger Ⅱ will be a weak link when it is angled.

[lone sandal]

tanks have weakspots no way

[prisma jetty]

Yeah bro, the side is so weak, that's why it's red in the image.

[winged lion]

What you said is very reasonable.

[ancient rampart]

You don’t know how to angle do you

[prisma jetty]

I’m posting this again because apparently you didn’t see it. Where am I angling the turret at all? Oh wait, I’m not. Maybe use just a small fraction of your brain and a little bit of common sense and you’ll learn how to angle properly.

[lunar glade]

put an ISU 152 on i dare you (against tiger 2)

[winged lion]

Do you think others don't understand??? The turret can be set straight, and the lower half of the tiger Ⅱ side can not be 100mm.

[ancient rampart]

Learn how to angle
Because you clearly don't know how

[nimble zodiac]

Win, you get to frontscrape your turret if you have to (248mm AP Shell)

[winged lion]

I'm curious, have you seen my previous news? At 11.0, the armor bonus is not 4% but 3%, and the depth bonus is not 5% but 8%. Why don't you take a look at the situation of the tiger Ⅱ without armor against 1951? 1. Small tilt, the front is all green, 2. The front is slightly red, but the side is already green, 3. The front is red, and the side is all green. The conclusion is simple: the tilt is small enough to protect the front from the front, reaching enough to protect the front of the tilt before the side has become paper.

[prisma jetty]

My brother in Christ I’ve already posted images of Emil 1951 facing the Tiger 2 that you are clearly ignoring because it completely disproves your entire point

[ancient rampart]

Learn how to angle

[winged lion]

.Your conditions will not hold at 11.0, 1 armor bonus will not be 4%, and 2.1951 penetration will become 248 instead of 241.

[ancient rampart]

You also need to realize the Emil 1951 has some of the strongest pen in tier 8 for heavies
that's not going to be what you go up against on a regular basis

[prisma jetty]

@winged lion Read. Please just read.

[twin egret]

dude what are you even yapping about.... please explain it a bit more coherently

[stone drum]

451.5?

[prisma jetty]

mb missed the 4 and hit the 5

[stone drum]

Lol 💪

[lunar glade]

someone make the defender MK1 magazine reload time a liiiitle bit faster, just a little

[regal iris]

Ok WOTB instead of putting out the atrocious consumable/equipment tweak for the next update can y’all bring up the alpha PENETRATION on T49. For both HEAT and HE just a bit. I’m getting tired of having to literally look at the most ran through, nerfed n’ buffed, spammed and fan favorite tank called TIGER II and having to disengage and switch targets cause I can’t pen head on nor get a decent side shot and forget about trying to jUsT fLaNk hIm cause he got a obj 252 on his left and a Emil on his right nearby and some annoying French, Italian, and Russian P2W lights running around like crazy… Obviously that’s situational but my point is that I can’t even really challenge the generic tanks anymore and it’s only due to the lack of penetration. Also it goes without saying that the other tanks that can easily matched up to Tiger II are just as difficult to fight against.

[remote gate]

Then don't play the T49 if you can't cope with the way it is balanced.

[nimble zodiac]

Me when the tank specifically designed to decimate squishy targets cannot effectively deal with heavy targets

I think the problem lies more with the fact that armor makes meta in t8, other than busted tank guns like Chimera (which still has armor). T49 can't deal with more meta tanks, darn.

[regal iris]

Give a valid rebuttal WITH STATS instead of indirectly saying cOpE, wOmP wOmP

@nimble zodiac
Squishy targets ain’t a thing no more, all the new TDs are cracked with the armor and the Meds be out here like a mini heavy

[remote gate]

It's a tank getting indirectly buffed because of Calibrated changes next update, the tank hits harder than any other Tier 8 heavy and still is agile enough to do what it does best.

[regal iris]

There ain’t nothing on t49 that will be helped immensely with the consumables and equipment tweak. If anything a lot of the British, Upper Tier German, and some Russian tanks bout to get a hell of a buff

[remote gate]

So extra penetration won't help a tank that struggles solely from pen?

Then with that reasoning you might as well just play a T92E1. The T49 wasn't meant to be fighting generic heavy tanks head on like your explanation from before have stated.

[regal iris]

The pen equipment was tweaked for everyone but so was the armor equipment. From the information given and using logic there won’t be a change where I could pen the mentioned tanks above deeper, That’s why I said it still wouldn’t matter. They gotta go into T49 and give it its pen back for all of its TOP guns. And if it means anything I’m not asking to “183 it”with the pen, just up it enough where an opponent can still defend itself with a simple quick angle for the deflection.

[remote gate]

The armour equipment was tweaked to become weaker, not stronger.

Seriously read the changes before yapping here about a tank doesn't need a change at all.

[regal iris]

Ok but wouldn’t that mean armor is weaker for everyone?

Then add the consumables perk for mentioned tanks above

And then on top of that the pen isn’t there due to those consumables that are in favor for certain tanks and give the edge to basically even out the tank that im fighting against.

Aka that tank I’m going against is literally back where it started and 49 even weaker due to the armor equipment being nerfed (you corrected me on that information)

Just trying to to make sense of this garbage equip/consumable rework and how it’s still not beneficial to my gameplay and how I just want to use a tank I worked hard for in the past all for it to be thrown to the side. Also it was actually nerfed twice in that process of abandonment too smh.

[frigid sapphire]

What the hell is a P2w russian light? Which light tank is capable of that?

[eager trout]

IS-5: taste my 297mm gold

[balmy obsidian]

I think he's talking about the LT-432, Premium Russian T8 light tank

[frigid sapphire]

There is no p2w tanks in this game, let alone a "p2w" tier 8 russian light💀

[balmy obsidian]

I think it's the only T8 premium Light for the Russians, could be wrong, idk why he's crying tho, it's an alright tank to me, pretty deadly in the right hands

[sour rampart]

Can Maus get more armor....cuz I feel angling is helpless now...or u guy have some tips?

[frigid sapphire]

Run enhanced and keep angling and shaking

The current maus is great as it is now.

@sour rampart continue this at #general-blitz-discussion if you wanna continue.

[ancient rampart]

Why are you trying to engage heavies frontally in a light to begin with

[sour rampart]

Ok...

[regal iris]

Can’t flank these days without it falling apart, and getting pinched. For what I notice is that whenever I go for the flank with a med or another light, imo, I dont think the accompanying player don’t know how to count and don’t count the unspotted TD and they get popped. Usually it’s a fat hit and then they get finished off some light that doubles back. Again that’s situational but overall I’m just tired of my team from dropping the bag then leave me to go pick it up ya know.

I only ask for the pen buff cause if I can do some better frontal dmg then when I pull a flank I could have some even the odds of getting a kill without risking too much.

[balmy obsidian]

Bruh, Tiger ll armor is hard for any light to pen frontally & most mediums at the same tier, besides, flanking on these current maps doesn't really work, someones always watching, sometimes it's based on luck

[clear shuttle]

meds and lights arent supposed to be fighting heavies head on in the first place tbh

[balmy obsidian]

What tank were you in first off, cause maybe that'll explain why you couldn't pen a Tiger 2

[regal iris]

T49, I can pen Tiger II but it requires getting a serious angle on him

[frigid sapphire]

Heat is getting a pen buff, is that enough for you?

I'm sure you run cali on a T49

[regal iris]

Idk we will see, also you may see me in here talk about Caliban sometimes but I do that with a bit of satire in mind cause I know it’s a cracked tank, can take a lot but can also dish it too. But with T49 I’m very serious about any revisions or topics related to it or other lights. Side note I got 6k battles in T49 alone and I’ve been playing it on and off since I got the game in 2016-17, so I know it’s limits

[lone sandal]

don't nerf vstabs

[formal basin]

I hope they buff the b c 25t avenir. The on movement dispersion is horrible. Plus the reverse speed is 18 but needs to be 20 instead

[vague sonnet]

Does anyone know if carro 45т will be on sale?

[nocturne mauve]

Yeah, tomorrow

[vague tapir]

Give the AMX 30 1er a 105mm, at it's current state is basically a worse lepoard 1 Proto with a better turret

[cinder shard]

Imo it's really a good tank right now. It has a bit of turret armor, a decent gun and great mobility/gun flexibility to go with it. The Leo Pta is actually a worse 30 1er now. Doesn't have the gun-depression, neither the armor. It's speed got nerfed a bit with the last T9 changes as well.

[drowsy plaza]

PTA is woeful currently the 30Proto has better mobility on all but soft terrain due to the terrain resistance. When combined with no armor and 6 degrees of depression it’s left being a vulture that needs to stay out of the battle and picking off distracted tanks, so it’s a painfully team dependent tank.

[final warren]

You can 100% get flanking shots these days. It's just a matter of figuring out where to go and how to do it. Sometimes you need to beat a few meds and lights. Sometimes you have to make an unexpected play

Relocate, relocate, relocate.

Also, you don't need to be "on the flank" to get side shots on the enemy

[regal iris]

Man the last time I pulled off a successful unexpected play was when I was playing Amx ELC. It was rockfield map and I drove into the enemy spwan at the start of the match to help spot and got 1 pot shot in. I remember it clear as day retreating through the middle of the map and watching 3 separate HE rounds fly by me due to the quick cuts from left to right. I think that match ended in us winning but I do remember having to change my boxers afterwards cause 💩💩💩💩💩 EVERYWHERE.

Long story short I know I gotta pull a wild play sometimes but the tanks are a whole lot more accurate and just as fast as me in tier 8-9 :/

BUT I still make an effort to get close to that but it’s a team effort too at that point

[final warren]

Just gotta experiment to see what works and what doesn't 🙂

[stone drum]

30 1er has an absolutely atrocious gun, probably the worst amongst tier 9 mediums. Sure it used to be an amazing tank, but those days have long passed and it has been eclipsed by largely superior vehicles.

[ivory ocean]

fv4005 shoots way to quickly and easily clips anything

best to lower alpha or make time between shells longer imo

[ember idol]

It'll lose any of its offensive capability if that happens

[stone drum]

Challenger is cool & all, but coronet/B-body is better, not sorry.

Also fv4005 clip damage is counterbalanced by the low reverse speed, non-existant armour, and low hp pool.

[vast falcon]

Devs, Will you guys ever decide to nerf the 113gft?
To what I know it is not getting a nerf
Am I correct?

Like its crazy cuz the thing is dominating tier 10 in many POVs
It has more battles played monthly than the Smasher at this point. Its that Over powered.
Pls nerf it !!!!

[twin egret]

"lol no"
-wg

[ember idol]

Let the 113gft have its time of grandeur

The thing was barely played before and was the mastery farmer in tier 10 before the CS-63 came along

[lone sandal]

chinabox can't even pen itself reliably 💀💀

[remote sluice]

152mm heat shell rolling 360 against the buffed reactive armor

[clear shuttle]

because "ooga booga 268 better"

[analog badger]

Wasn't its armor fairly mediocre for a while until it got buffed into this monstrosity? I remember being able to pen their superstructure fairly easily with E100's standard AP a long time ago and it was also a lot slower (significantly less mobile than 268 iirc)

[severe basin]

Ive been enjoying it for a while now just sitting in a hulldown position really seems to work only complain i can really think of is the atrocious premium pen

[lunar glade]

are you using obj 268 against the wz- if so, then ofc its going to pen... it has the second highest pen in the game

[remote sluice]

pic is not mine, and these are two wz’s looking at each other.

also im not talking abt the pen, im talking abt the damage done to the tank w the buffed reactive armor

[lunar glade]

oh ok, i see

[ancient rampart]

The only problem it has is it's pen
and it's fuel tank HP
The rest of the tank is decent

[ancient rampart]

You think that's bad?

Try the KPZ 70's HEAT shell

[remote sluice]

hell yea dude time to roll 290 firing at a wz w buffed reactive armor 💀

[ancient rampart]

While waiting 15 seconds to reload the next shot!

[remote sluice]

that’s 1160 dpm 💀

[feral tide]

Give the Su-152 better armor or more HP please. Great firepower, but too easy to kill...

[real bison]

thats the entire point of the tank

[ancient rampart]

It's not meant to have armor or HP
It deals damage and that's it

[feral tide]

Ah, Okay

[stone drum]

The gun literally doesn't have a single redeeming feature.

[vivid hinge]

how do y'all think the rinoceronte will be balanced and do you think it will be good or follow the new tank trend of recent where most of the lines added are simply outdone by others?

[real bison]

looks balanced

[vivid hinge]

are the stats out?

[vivid hinge]

wait does it have reserve shell or not because if it doesn't THANK GOD FINALLY but if it does I have one question for WG, why ruin another good tank with a horrible thing?

[real bison]

opentest

plus no reserve shell

[eager trout]

Give Minotauro less aiming time and more shell velocity.

[severe basin]

Sure it doesnt but its not bad either good enough aiming time and dispersion to hit shots and workable on movement dispersion kinda mid in everything not bad tho

[stone drum]

It's literally the worst tier 9 medium gun, if that isn't bad then idk what is.

[severe basin]

Its still workable if your comparing it to other guns sure it has the worst stats that doesnt make it really bad tho

[stone drum]

Dude look at what you are saying.

[severe basin]

Yes? Its literally not even bad even if its the worst gun on a medium doesnt mean its a bad gun itself

Like i said its not good neither is it bad

[stone drum]

May want to check your definitions. You seem to be confusing mediocre with bad.

[severe basin]

Like i said its not bad its only bad because your comparing it to other medium guns not a bad gun itself since its still better than 99% of heavy gun for example

Its mid

[stone drum]

What kind of terrible logic is that?

[severe basin]

Let me give you an example (ik this is the worst possible example ever but ill atleast try) you got 5 same foods made by different people the 4 stand out more and taste alot better than the last one but its still delicious

And yes i am comparing food to fictional guns but i cant think of a better example

[remote gate]

the difference is that the AMX 30 proto is literally just worse than everything else

the gun just doesn't have anything going for it

[stone drum]

It's not a fictional gun my dude, I can send you the test results from its second firing test in 1951 in bourges is you so demand.

the difference is that in-game unlike your final example the amx 30 1er gun isn't "delicious" it's just an inferior weapon.

[severe basin]

Fictional as in the stats are made up and its inside a game

And if you actually played it you would know its still enought its just like your average medium but just worse wouldnt still say its bad but now that i think about it its on the line of bad or mid

[lunar sail]

Which

[ebon lynx]

AMX 30 1er proto is decent.
However, the gun indeed leaves much to be desired.
Apart from accuracy, it's a hard choice between having some pen against t10 or 2.8k dpm. Of which none are really good.

[main tulip]

you can't just have worst in class alpha, DPM, and premium penetration all in one package. That's why the 30 1er sucks

[barren goblet]

I just checked and it's 263 pen apcr without cali. Worse than I could have imagined.

[stone drum]

Not saying it needs the 30b gun, but a half decent 105mm gun would help it a ton.

[stone drum]

My suggestion for a new 30 1er gun:

AP/HEAT/HE
237/295/50 penetration
920/800/800 shell velocity
330/300/440 alpha
6.88s reload (with rammer + double food)
.326 dispersion (with double food and without refined)
.12/.12/.06 handling (without V-stabs)

Something along those lines, give or take would be nice

[dapper zenith]

i dont think yo7 need to drop the velocity by that much, it wont ridge snap very well at those numbers

[nimble zodiac]

285mm is good. It’s like 270mm AP

Shows 1000/1250/1000 on blitzstars tank compare @stone drum
Interesting

[stone drum]

I didn't drop the shell velocity at all? I just pulled up the actual numbers for the gun to be easy on myself.

[twin egret]

So a French T-55A
But better than it

[severe basin]

A slight pen buff or dpm buff would be enought its not that terrible to need some huge buffs

Like maybe a little short of 240/278/50
Or just like extra 100-200 or so dpm

[merry pelican]

buff caenarvon and qonqueror side armor

[uneven turtle]

Don’t overexpose and you’re fine

[remote sluice]

caernarvon and conqueror are the best heavy tanks of their respective tiers, no more buffs pls

[torpid wraith]

Nah they ain’t but anyway

[remote sluice]

caernarvon yes, but maybe i will retract my statement about the conqueror cus K-91 and Obj 752 exist

[torpid wraith]

Caernarvon yes if it gets to farm, any other situation it’s meh. T77 just does far better than it in most scenarios

[ebon lynx]

I'd just buff the dispersion by a little bit.

[regal iris]

Well tbh maybe WOTB should drop something like that again. T55A was so cracked they just put it in Tier 9 hybrid. Maybe they should one tank from every country (and it’s not completely made up and unreal) and do mix match of parts on the tank. It would be cool to take something like 30 1er and actually give it its much needed overhaul.

Also I think maybe keep these suggested tanks at Tier 9 and when in MM they get to truly flip flop between T8-T10 battles just to keep it fair ya know.

Idk I’m spitballin here so don’t roast me if it sounds like a bad idea

[ebon lynx]

That's pretty much what WoT console did with the Mercenaries.

[stone drum]

No i meant the initial test 105mm. So the French made about 7 variants. The initial one mounted on the AMX-30 prototype was a weaker lower pressure version similar to the on mounted on revalorisé.

[stone drum]

I don't know where you got T-55a from? I just looked up 105mm gun stats at tier 9 & made it slightly below average. (Discluding the heat).

[scenic olive]

Does anyone know what has been nerfed on the rhino since it’s initial stats were released? It seemed pretty cracked before.

[vast falcon]

Nerf 113GFT

Are devs looking at this channel??

[sleek pier]

buff the obj268 penetration

Like it's not a bias but it's for my opinion only.

The 268 needs like a small buff on AP and heat rounds
( No HE pen ) Like increase penetration.

Like for example hitting the maus with ap/heat would pen it Soo easily like the maus armor is now a butter through the shells

Also an armor buff as well.

Not too much but just a little more armored for the sake of things.

[ancient rampart]

It already has the highest HEAT pen in the game

It also has one of the highest AP pens

[solid scaffold]

This is the first time i've seen somone asking for a pen buff on the obj 268. It is more of a you issue than the tank itself

[rain reef]

Its one of the best tier 9

[ancient rampart]

definitely not lol

[ember idol]

It fell off

[winged lion]

Friends, did you see update, 71 and WZ113 will have 356mm AP and 390mm HEAT! HT's front armor will all become paper! ！ ！ Enhancement of AP/HEAT + 8% / + 13% penetration slot is too much!

[ancient rampart]

Did you see that the Ho-Ri will have 410 AP premium

[severe basin]

Personally think this is THE worst update ever thats one reason why
All of the changes are completely unneccessary expect like a couple few like vents

[twin egret]

I never saw anything about caliber size so mb

[rain reef]

Skill issue

[ancient rampart]

I don't think so

[fathom glacier]

62% it’s very good tank. But not great because of stock tank. If it would get top tank it would be better maybe

[ancient rampart]

What

[tepid sedge]

😁😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[hushed crown]

it's one of the best tier 9s mate. just gotta use it well :)

[ancient rampart]

Legit the only thing good about it is the turret armor lol

[hushed crown]

turret armor, best mobility for a tier 9 medium, the gun is accurate, decent, 10 degrees of gun depression, etc. very versatile medium that holds it's own as a sniper in tier X and dominates 8s
the accuracy is under .3 which automatically means it's "good"
premium shells don't matter for shooting sides now do they
and, I never said it's overpowered, no one did, i mentioned, such as someone above me did, one of the best tier 9s, especially medium wise

[ancient rampart]

It has below average accuracy
it has useless premium shells
It has turret armor and mobility that's it

The damn thing sets on fire the moment it gets shot in the hull
The only reason it seems decent is because tier 9 meds are just terrible in general for the most part

[stone drum]

It really isnt, its been long eclipsed by other, better vehicles.

Bro actually brought out 752 🤦‍♂️

[hushed crown]

you can't really compare it with a 752 can you? medium wise, there are almost no meds that are better

[ancient rampart]

T-55

[rain reef]

I think so

[ancient rampart]

congrats you're better than me

That doesn't mean the tank is good lol

[severe basin]

The tank itself is fine gun might need a little tuning like a pen buff or something but thats really it

[stone drum]

I wasnt comparing it to the 752, but it's definitely fallen behind a fair few mediums, certainly not ontop. Standard B, Cobra, Type 61, T-55a, T-54, and Skoda T50 are all superior vehicles currently.

[severe basin]

I wouldnt say a type 61 is superior to it but ye most of those like the standard are better

The better gun imo doesnt justify it just outright being better when the amx is better in literally everything else outside of the gun

[stone drum]

The gun is just outright bad, its simply a laughably bad armament.

@severe basin type 61 is incredibly strong at the moment what are you talking about.

[remote gate]

Do you have any idea of what you are saying?

[severe basin]

Personally even if the gun on the type is miles better it doesnt justify it outright being better when the amx is better in everything else

[remote gate]

Type 61 is also more flexible than the AMX and still has comparable turret armour

[severe basin]

Dunno i find types turret armor non existant but that could be just me🤷‍♂️

[stone drum]

Type has a pretty good turret, and a gun that is literally just better in every aspect. You can Literally just shoot prammo in type 61 and have more dpm, alpha, penetration, shell velocity, etc than a 30 1er firing standard.

[torpid wraith]

It’s a pity the type is rather meh mobility and a rather chonky boy

[nimble zodiac]

I'm not gonna stand for any praise of Type 61's turret. AMX has a much less reliable profile to penetrate, with flaky ricochet plates that prove to complicate shots. Type 61's weaknesses are not only everywhere, they are kept in large sections, mainly the cupola, that stand out no matter how much the gun depression is used in hulldown.
I'm not saying AMX has a great turret by any means, but it's definitely more competitive than Type 61's

[boreal stream]

Buff the Leopard PTA and Grille 15 please

[obtuse sentinel]

Leopard PTA is actually pretty decent. While it might be good compared to other mediums due to its lacking armor, I think it's fine where it is. I do however agree with a Grille 15 buff, that thing has seen nothing but nerfs for the past few years and actually needs some love to be relevant. It's useless as it stands as of now and every TD does what the Grille 15 does but better.

[boreal stream]

I think the PTA needs a penetration or aiming time buff because coming up against patrons and Stbs makes it impossible to aim for weak spots, and yeah the Grille really needs some type of buff I used to enjoy the tank so much but now it’s just a guaranteed loss for almost every battle

[mental ravine]

Give e100 tungsten shells

[boreal stream]

and Amx 54 bring it back

[vague nymph]

Please buff the amx it's not good at anything.

[arctic storm]

Which one?

[vague nymph]

The Tier x one it's suffering. The tier 8 one is quite normal.

[fast prism]

the name?

[vague nymph]

AMX M4 mle 54

[fast prism]

he is a tier 7

[torpid wraith]

No he is tier 10

[fast prism]

oh ok sorry i was thinking about amx m4 mle 45

[vague nymph]

Yeah very similar I guess thatbwhy people,forget about this tank

[fast prism]

yeah...

[willow elbow]

Please buff type 59, just give it better aim time, make it like the wz120 aim time and it would be a perfectly good tank

[serene igloo]

New tier 10s are extremely unexciting to play
It used to be that everyone was excited to play the new tier 10. With videos flying around on YouTube and people rushing to get the tank you could have a tier 5 battle with 10+ same tank 🥺
Vickers, M-VI-Yoh, Sheridan, 60TP, Type 71, T-100LT…

What happened that you made the decision to release every new tier 10 in a garbage F TIER state that most players forget about within a week?

[]Cs63 has tier 9 parameters. It’s very hardly outperformed by Leo or 907. We have the same dpm as E50M, so there must be something of E50M’s armour value on CS-63 right? Yes, gunpowder for your shells 😂😂😂
[]Vz55 is a tier 9 again. There’s literally nothing this tank could stand out for. It could be a tier 9 in line for the IS-7.
[]Bz-75 is maybe E tier and not F, but it sucks for the same reason 183 does. Everything’s trash at the cost of occasional 1000dmg shots.
[]Wz-132-1 is a tier 9 again. People can just play Leo. I mean if even the best players struggle to break 3,5k avg dmg you know the tank is garbage.
It seems like rinoceronte will meet the same fate.

So what’s even the point of adding those new tier 10s? To create more variety in F tier vehicles? You might as well remove these 4 tanks from the game and no one would notice.

The last time new tier 10 was actually worth to come back to the game for and play was Type 71. Literally 2 years ago.

[hollow jacinth]

And it was op asf even the “best players” in the game accepted it’s nerf

[stray heron]

Please look at a T29 rework for its aim

half of its shots are invalid

[boreal stream]

honestly I mean they have done better at balancing thou because before when tier X’s would come into the game they would be borderline broken like the Sheridan and with missiles or the Type 71 being an absurdly armored and fast heavy tank

[remote sluice]

Vz.55 is criminally underrated, and CS-63 isnt as bad as ppl say, its just mid.

Vz’s 130mm plus the mechanic makes it rlly accurate and, imo, makes it the best 130mm heavy tank gun in tier 10. armor is usable enough, i dont mind it, mobility is fine but terrain resistance on medium terrain should be buffed. otherwise i love this tank

CS-63 isnt bad on its own, it can still dish out damage, and once u put on the adrenaline and tungsten combo it farms up damage rlly well. however, Leo, 30b, 907, 140, etc… do the same thing as the CS while having more comfortable accuracy and pen to use, hence why the CS is so irrelevant. but it is by no means bad

also, wz light is in a much better spot than it was b4. the mechanic and the reload time makes the tank go unspotted right upon reloading, and honestly the sneakiness makes the tank fun.

BZ-75 honestly just needs 260/200/80 pen on the derp gun and that thing is cooking.

Rinoceronte does not seem like a bad tank, ill actually grind for it once it comes out, but if u already have the Kran its kinda irrelevant, just like the CS

[boreal stream]

I agree with the WZ light

[serene igloo]

Vz55 is okayish now. The other 3 aren’t and it’s not just my opinion. You can hop on blitzstars, sort all time, by damage and see yourself how bad Wz132-1, Bz-75 and Cs-63 do. The best players perform significantly worse in them than even the most average tanks.

[knotty sigil]

Hi y'all 🫡

[ancient rampart]

No one calls the CS bad it just doesn’t do anything special it’s just as basic as it gets

[clear shuttle]

ive seen alot of people call it bad

[torpid wraith]

Yeah lots of people call the cs bad. Doing nothing special and being worse in every department to other meds does make it bad.

[proven wave]

do devs really check this?

[thorny timber]

If they did,we'd be suffering in chaos

[obtuse rover]

buff foch 155 alpha damage to 535 on autoloader with 3.5 inter clip and 650 on single shot and make reload slower.
give back vickers light alpha damage, Atleast 335. Currently nothing special abt vickers light

[real bison]

Foch 155 gets tungsten next update

[terse tinsel]

pls make spall liner useless against premium hesh rounds under 150mm caliber. or make it a british tanks exclusive equipment.

[obtuse rover]

oh that’s nice well buff to 520 then atleast. Rolling so low on the Foch is underwhelming even if the tank is not that bad

[noble dust]

But the penetration is powerful than tier X :/

[prisma jetty]

By 6mm on standard and 10mm on premium. In exchange the ST-1 loses pretty much everything else and the IS-8 pays in other departments

[noble dust]

Even though a little different But you can feel the difference.

And BZ-58 gun Type 58 and Type 59M the accuracy too suck 💀

[prisma jetty]

The difference really isn’t noticeable

[remote sluice]

<@&481447501690568709>

[nimble zodiac]

If they did, it would be fun tbh

But then again they could check the channel and not act on it

[stone drum]

535 is still way to low for its caliber. Anything below 560 is pathetic.

[remote gate]

just make it 640 and a 7.1s intraclip

[frigid sapphire]

never cook again

Only 560

[gleaming monolith]

Is this tank as bad as I've heard people say, the bundle is a good deal, I want some premium time which is worth 2500 , so its 3500 for the tank with all the extras.

[real bison]

its trash

[nocturne mauve]

It’s so bad

[tough trout]

Well, it is workable, but no more than that. I would not recommend anyone to spend 6000 gold, to get a mediocre vehicle even with some good stuff added to it. Better to save gold for something actually good.

[fathom oxide]

Up kv13

[gleaming monolith]

Ok Thanks guys

[nocturne mauve]

I wish they would’ve kept the tier X’s alphas consistent, it’s so annoying that they’re all different for no reason whatsoever

[barren goblet]

Standardized damage would be step forward. t10 meds could also get a decent HE shells. They get like 50 dmg more than ap

[real bison]

imo standardised alpha is boring, and only exists to ease the work bad players need to do when facing certain guns

[stone drum]

It would literally be fine.

[analog badger]

Standardized alpha's ok, back then all similar caliber guns did the same damage

[nocturne mauve]

Why? Saves you having to remember every single tank’s individual alphas and makes a more predictable gameplay

[clear shuttle]

you just stated one of the reasons why its boring to have standardized alphas

[main tulip]

I don't want fully standardized alpha, but standardized alpha for tanks that are supposed to have similar/related/the same guns would be nice imo

Like the E3 and E4

[ancient dome]

Does e3 and e4 use the same name of ammo ingame?

[main tulip]

nah, because they switched the E4 to APCR/HEAT

[nocturne mauve]

Um in what way does weird alphas add to the uniqueness of the game? It does not change the entire tank’s playstyle it’s just really goofy to have lmao

[sweet thistle]

revamp m103 for 10 years of goodluck

[deft echo]

Guys i wanna show an idea for the american light tree from The T49 to the Sheridan!

[obtuse rover]

I agree honestly but if they make it 560 again may as well give back old parameters
Edit: which I doubt they will do so I think a small damage buff is more plausible

[clear shuttle]

because it dosent mean every 150-152mm has 640 alpha
eg 268 has 690 alpha and 113g ft has 640 so their more "unique" to each other compared to before all these weird changes
its goofy and weird but at the same time it brings "variety" to tanks

[deft echo]

about their specialty called “Hellfire Shells”

Any American Tier VIII-X Light Tanks will have this effect with their free and premium Anti-Tank shells.

Once the shell penetrates the enemy tank’s armour, it will start to light up with flames as soon as it penetrates, dealing 50 to 125 damage in 4 seconds, and depending where it landed, it may or will damage nearby modules such as the crew or the tank’s modules, the enemy can also exstinguish the fire with their consumables once or during the fire started.
The Hellfire specialty will only take effect once the shell penetrates the armour, this does not apply to High Explosive or High Explosvive Anti-Tank Shells.

A Brilliantes idea, right? :D

[prisma jetty]

Oh yes, let’s give Sheridan 350 extra alpha, it really needs it

[clear shuttle]

pls wargaming re add t49a atgm missiles to tech tree sheridan

[remote sluice]

sheridan already hits like a truck, no more alpha buffs please, no matter if it’s direct or indirect

[boreal stream]

The devs did good on the equipment changes honestly now Grille will be better i think it still needs a little alpha buff while keeping dpm because compared to Ho-ri it’s much more vulnerable therefore irrelevant until it gets another buff

[frigid sapphire]

nah

[severe basin]

Wdym those equpment changes are so mid we gonna have heavies with td pen and some other unneccessary things no one wants

[boreal stream]

I mean I think they will have to rework in the future for sure but for now it is a nice brake from this current meta of overly armoured TD’s and heavies dominating every game like it’s been a meta for almost 2 years now let us catch a break and have fun in mediums

[terse jasper]

Imo meds are meta atm, they have armor, mobility and somewhat working pen, and if they have for example tracer shells like 907 has, it can change whole game, since you can use to keep other tanks visible for td’s etc. plus most of maps that have med side, can change ending of that battle quite a lot.

[boreal stream]

907 and Kpz and Stb are the only ones but the rest of meds are basically irrelevant which in my opinion is problematic because most heavies are on the other hand all relevant as well as most TD’s

[deft echo]

so ur gonna let wg worsen the stats on the american tree? the sheri does have that but it’s like it only deals 500 damage low-roll on heavy tanks, how are the lights gain support on each team?

[severe basin]

True but making armor basically irrelevant and tds even more annoying to spot is just the worst thing ever

[boreal stream]

okay the TD part I agree on but the armour I think so long as they do a follow up rework fast is a good change in the direction, because there are just some tanks with ridiculous armour and some people are just using only those tanks and not actually learning the game you get what I’m saying

[severe basin]

Ig thats true somewhat like the e5 but think about some other tanks like the maus for example literally were gonna have heavies buttering throught its upper plate people dont even need to aim to hit that
Not just tds but heavies and meds are also gonna be able to do so from certain angles

[boreal stream]

Yeah that’s why I’m saying so long as they do a fast follow up rework to fix those types of issues 👍

[serene igloo]

Blitz players are overrating tanks so often. I sometimes open tier list videos and I’m astounded by how many tanks people put in “B tier”. My understanding is vehicles in higher tiers should have a bigger impact on the game and be easier to carry in. Their understanding is “oooh this has cool parameters, I’ma put it high”. So I’m left with confusion whenever I see HoRi and vk9001p somehow “as good as” amx30b or type 71 when it was op.

I’m sorry to break it to you, but if the highest result possible on Cs63 is 3.5k, it’s the easiest F tier in my life.

[frigid sapphire]

Cs63 is definitely not that bad. Not the best either, just floating over between mid and decent

Vk90 is just overhyped...

[serene igloo]

https://www.blitzstars.com/topplayers/bytank?sort=special.dpb&regions=eu&tank=CS-63&days=999

These are not results of “decent” tank. Search any other med for comparsion.

[frosty girder]

amx 30 b's hatch is absurdly huge even though its turret armour is not all that strong at all its annoying

i need tips playing this thing too hulldown doesnt seem to work all too well for me

[real bison]

bait people with the cupola, continuous movement will make it very hard to hit

when they miss, full peak and get free damage

[latent badger]

hi

[subtle salmon]

G'day

[frosty girder]

i should only do that in 1v1s right?

[real bison]

no, against a group of enemies at mid-long range, it’s surprising how much people can’t pre-aim

in a pinch, might help at closer ranges, but you should really try to control the engagement distance in the 30B

[uneven turtle]

M48 patton with HT level turret

And kpz is sluggish

With worse turret than patton, needing to run tungsten and adrenaline which lowers survivability

[boreal stream]

but kpz has so much dpm it kinda doesn’t really matter

[uneven turtle]

Doesn’t matter if you can’t pen

Doesn’t matter if you can’t utilise it fast enough

Doesn’t matter if you get ammo rack damaged twice

Dpm isn’t everything

[scenic olive]

I heard the rhino turret armor is not very good anymore is that true?

[remote sluice]

on flat ground it’s an easy pen w gold, but it’s actually respectable while using its full gun depression. however the horn on its gun is still an easy gold pen. this can fixed if u raise ur gun right after shooting, like the M6 Yoh

[boreal stream]

for a medium it kinda is I mean for heavies no but for mediums it is because that’s what a medium is about

[uneven turtle]

Can you rephrase it please

[scenic olive]

Thanks

[boreal stream]

so:
Mediums: dpm and decent speed with some type of armour Heavies: Armour, decent pen and alpha. Lights: Spotting and extremely good mobility. TDs: Gun

[uneven turtle]

And…kpz is the most slugggish mt

With an MT gun, sub-mt mobility, flat armor, relies on two combat consumables to dish damage, one survival consumable

How is that op

Maybe it’s strong? But there’s better MT choices out there, and it’s definitely not in the top 3 MTs

[sudden island]

they need to buff kpz 50t. remove tungsten, give it more alpha. increase reload time.

[boreal stream]

I guess

[uneven turtle]

And, when you play as an mt, the preferred playstyle is being able to dish out chip damage, then go in for a brawl,

Being able to dish out chip damage, equates to a tank needing to be able to hulldown, in the MTs case, patton and stb and e50m already outshines it oh and t62a with its improved turret profile

Kpz on the other hand, has a flat turret, equating to average turret armor which can be cut through easily as long as u use prammo, you don’t need to aim cus it’s..flat

Wanna enter a brawl in a Kpz? Have fun being shot twice while making your way to enter a brawl with the opposing MT due to your sluggish 16 effective power to weight

As bad as a strategy that is, it the one of the best strategy you can use since it can’t compete with other hulldown mts that I’ve stated above

Therefore, dpm is no use if others can get shots in easier than you can get shots into them

[boreal stream]

it’s called playing with your team and positioning the tank is made for flanking not for hull down, stop playing everything hull down bruh there are different playstyles

[steady meadow]

Dis English?

[boreal stream]

yes I just forgot to put some commas my bad 😂

[steady meadow]

🙂

I think WG should balance E100 so it has BC25t mobility and speed and autoreloader like Minotauro

[boreal stream]

🤣🤣🤣bruhhh

[remote sluice]

almost every foch player: wg pls buff the alpha and give it better gun traverse angles

wg: tungsten 👍

edit: i will take any foch buffs but this does not fully address its multiple problems. it still has horrible handling, bad traverse speed, garbage depression and gun arc, horrible alpha outside of tungsten. at least gear oil will buff its reverse speed ig, it can finally skeddadle after dumping a clip

[boreal stream]

honestly i think it just needs a buff to the on movement dispersion, aiming time, and regular dispersion

[vapid fox]

if they brought back old autoloader it would be great

[junior gate]

I honestly don’t think it will be op in the current state of blitz if they gave it old 155 gun stats

[next fable]

nerf miner

[torpid wraith]

Yes miners are too strong

[nocturne blade]

this is the actual HE shell XD

[deft echo]

probably :}

[pale jacinth]

Time come back event

[unique scaffold]

@late lodge Hello! You guys consider bringing the new Hybrid Nation Heavies from Tanks Blitz into Wot Blitz?

[remote sluice]

i hope they will never come to blitz. they do not belong in this game

[fading saffron]

Where do i find this game?

[unique scaffold]

If you have Android, then Google this "Lesta Tanks Blitz Apk". After you search, enter on Apkpure and download the latest version, released today or yesterday, then install it

[sudden island]

Usually what is in the Deluxe Limited Edition Container?

[rugged saddle]

son güncelleme ile oyun çekilmez hale geldi..!!

geliştiriciler lütfen dikkat normal savaşlarda oyunlar yenilgilerle doluyor

[uneven turtle]

MT side is full of ridges that require gun dep hello

[boreal stream]

not on every map and every map has some type of flanking route to take without ridges u just have to be patient to flank at the right time

[uneven turtle]

Every mt side has ridges. Even city maps like New Bay has ridges. At the bridge

Literally go and play every map in rooms. All mt side utilizes ridges

Why do you think stb is so strong

Because it has the gun dep to maximise all those ridges without easily being shot or penetrated

And kpz struggles to flank compared to other mts cus of it’s acceleration how many times do i have to bring that up

[boreal stream]

yes there are ridges you’re not wrong and I didn’t say you were, but there are flanks which go around the ridges and there is a different way to play dpm tanks that are there more to brawl than to hull down its about playstyle

[uneven turtle]

You literally said not every map wdym

And flanking usually exposes your own tank, hoping that the enemy team takes to one side of the map

Plus are you saying u have the HP to brawl every single time? No you don’t. One brawl you can win, but anymore it’s guaranteed death. So kpz is a one trick pony, and who’s to say someone would push alongside you and brawl with others

[boreal stream]

I said not every map as in not every map is full of ridges 🗿, and yes you expose the tank it’s a bit of a risk yes, it just makes you rely more on your team and you probably will take damage but in return your enemy will take more because you out dpm them

[uneven turtle]

You’ve contradicted yourself twice now

And a decent player wouldn’t stay in the open after they shoot you

Can we take into account the variable that not all players are stupid

[boreal stream]

I have not actually you just read it wrong 👍. And uh that’s why u have teammates to take the attention of the enemy so you can flank, do not forget that this game is about teamwork even though sometimes* the teammates might not do that job

[uneven turtle]

Kpz is so slow that the moment you choose to flank you put your team at a disadvantage of losing one gun for 30-40+ seconds

It’s the second slowest MT.

Even 50b has better acceleration for how much harder it hits

[boreal stream]

not as fast as a light tank 😂, but it’s fast enough

[uneven turtle]

I’m honestly getting sick of people defending KPZ 50T when in general it’s just mid. It’s just a slower armored cs 63

If you can even call KPZ armored that is

[boreal stream]

it’s okay bro it’s just not a tank that’s for everyone it’s hard to learn I agree 😂😂, but that doesn’t mean it’s bad it just means that its not for everyone which has nothing to do with how good it is and more about skill level

[uneven turtle]

Mid. Not bad. It’s highly situational. It’s not as versatile and most other MTs out there. Progetto has less armor but its dumps 1050 damage within you getting only 1 shot out

Carro delivers close to 1200 damage within you only getting two shots out of

And carro is even slower yet it’s gun capability is way better even if it has less dpm for the sole reason it’s not a single shot

If you wanna play a flanking mt, play amx 30b less armor less Dpm but faster with higher consistency on its alpha and doesn’t require running two DPM based provisions allowing you to have higher survivability even with less armor

[boreal stream]

The Carro is actually a lot more situational because of it’s horrendous dispersion, but hey I think you just really like to only play hull down I understand but even though that’s the dominant playstyle there is more to the game then sitting back while being hull down 😂

[uneven turtle]

Im sorry i dont shoot on the move and miss my shots?

But it’s ok I understand clowns wanting to throw their tank out in the open just to utilise their dpm for about 20 seconds🤡. 🤣

I also understand some people just want to cope that the tank they got they know is bad and are just arguing about it to make it feel better

[boreal stream]

even without moving the dispersion is bad on the carro🤦‍♂️🗿. and um i actually have like 20 aces in obj 140 which is a tank that has almost nothing but dpm, and um I’m just defending my opinion because there are valid points for my opinion being correct yeah 👍

[uneven turtle]

Um. The obj has something the KPZ doesn’t?

Your ‘valid points’ also involve enemy players being sitting ducks not paying attention to their surroundings

[boreal stream]

Huh? now I’m honestly confused I didn’t say any of that 😂😂 but yeah I guess you’re right man I’m sorry you are clearly smarter

[uneven turtle]

If you payed attention to your playstyle you will realise it doesn’t work on players that pay attention to their surroundings.

And obj has among the best acceleration so it has speed and dpm?

Kpz has nothing but DPM

Watch bro says it has armor

Next update when equipment is released it really will have 0 armor

Won’t even be a viable choice to run rammer cus it’s getting nerf either way

[remote gate]

Kpz50t is nothing but mid, the mobility lets it down big time. The top speed is great but the acceleration is slower to even some heavies.

The armour itself doesn't even hold up to any med that knows what the 2 key is.

You can just say that you're extremely biased to the tank and completely ignoring the downsides of the tank to which the upsides are not enough to compensate for said downsides.

[boreal stream]

👍

[severe basin]

Sad how one single thing really holds it back one of the more interesting tier 10s imo

[visual abyss]

Tbh the kpz50t is one of the more fun t10 tanks you can play. Its nothing OP, but just fun

[uneven turtle]

You want fun go play sheri

[twilit flicker]

Naw KPZ is where it’s at for fun T10

[uneven turtle]

I’m pretty sure being slow as hell as an MT ain’t all that fun compared to a sly derp LT with built in spall system

[twilit flicker]

Sure you could be right but what happens when the spall liner doesn’t work and you get nailed by 4 different super heavy’s and TDs. And don’t forget about it’s gun.

Another thing too is nun of the KPZ are really fast anyhow other the the 07.

Plus if I would rather play the Leo or the Russian LT then the Sher.
Also doesn’t make sense to compare a medium to a light tank

[uneven turtle]

It’s all around your tank? And your turret has spaced armor on its mantlet so as long as u face them u aren’t getting HEd anywhere and how would u get yourself into a situation where 4 slow tanks can hit you

And I don’t understand your middle statement

It doesn’t make sense to compared a mt to a lt when its stats against stats that’s for sure

But we are talking about fun

[twilit flicker]

All the Kpz tanks in game sent fast other than the 07.

Don’t get me wrong the Kpz isn’t the best tank but it’s a fun one I see more people enjoying it more the sher.

And yes let me 1v5 T10s in a LT I wonder how that would end up. Or having a double 4005 toon blast you back to the Stone Age

[severe basin]

Sheri is fun and all but honestly i find fast reload tanks alot more enjoyable

[uneven turtle]

So you expect every game to be a 1v5 scenario?

And Sheri has the mobility to escape risky situations like a double fv 4005 as you said it

I still don’t understand your recorrected middle statement

[stone drum]

50b has way worse acceleration?

[uneven turtle]

For how much harder and faster it can dish out damage, its mid acceleration is tolerable

Kpz needs longer to shoot out what amx 50b can do in less than 8 seconds

[stone drum]

Probably worth mentioning it obviously has even less armor than kpz.

Still KPZ could use a modernization so that the equipment changes don't nerf it to much, for example they could give it 50 or so more dpm, buff the terrain resistances to .9/1/1.5, and buff the upperplate by 10mm

[uneven turtle]

Honestly the upper plate is decent but it’s turret is pretty lack luster for an MT

But at least 50B can run 3 survival consumables or 2 survival consumables with speed boost and has respectable amount of HP

[sour rampart]

This tank should get buff Mobility fr the traverse speed is very bad it only 34 deg is slowe than IS4 that have 37 deg
for the tank that doesn't have armor like 5A Mobility should be buff 50 top speed 40 deg traverse speed what do u guys think?

[clear shuttle]

just give it back its 50kph top speed and 460 alpha then ill love it again

[obtuse valley]

Ehh maybe cus he has that icon above the damaged track icon? Idk maybe??? Idk I was using my ass to see that vid

[ember idol]

God forbid WoTB players use the game portal ticket

[severe tide]

wg ruined eu server now na serv? = god bless you all😩

[regal iris]

Is T55A Rare tank because it seems aight with its reload and movement but I wanna get some more gold

[severe tide]

ı have all tier tanks including lot of premium tanks,all my tanks nearly fully upgradet in my eu serv.account , but ı had the nose full ,ı opened new account in na server you cant chatting or understande slavish in eu serv. they use krill alphabet we latain,they lost game after game with hurrrayyy to one direcktion in 1-2 min..... all is destroyed😣

[prisma jetty]

Sir, this is tank balance discussion on the world of tanks blitz English official server, please put your tank balance suggestions here in English.

[severe tide]

behinde all the nerfs of wg is marketing tacktic to sell premium tanks ı guess so ,they preffer so a alternative tank with the trick see this tank is more better buy it buy it !🤗if wg adapted slavish server to na server,be sure guys ı delete blitz for ever !

[tepid pulsar]

The Senlac should get some new consumables. It's paper thin it needs a few extra competitive goodies. At the very least give it the improved suspension the kpz 68 gets

[torpid geode]

Buff Hori's pen.

[ancient rampart]

It's being buffed :)

[stone drum]

Remove APCR from the game entirely.

[sly vessel]

Strv k is a fun tank but pen values against t10 heavies and especially super heavies are sketchy at best. You have to really mobilize your tank around reds to get the angles needed to get the pens you need. It’s definitely a heavium that works best helping destroy flanks then pinning down the heavies . Going heavy route and attempting to play peek a boo against a Maus, an is-7,is-4, a kranvagn, or vk 90? Good luck

[torpid geode]

thats like saying give fv 183, 350mm pen and give it damage like the fv4005 in WoT

thats cuz vickers is a light tank, fv4204 is a med and was designed to deal more with HE xD then vickers

[stone drum]

A very good idea, I would actually suggest improving the penetration on all rounds tho.

[remote sluice]

and give it 420 alpha or smth, 380 is meh

[real bison]

lol no

do not give a highly mobile vehicle with LT camo the same HE pen as the 215b

[stone drum]

Vickers is ridiculously garbage at the moment that could really help.

[frigid sapphire]

I see. I understand that.

(I did not)

[remote sluice]

wz light is so much fun to play now, i appreciate wg for the dpm nerf cus it rlly made its mechanic work and allow u to be sneaky

[warm parcel]

Opinions on the M48 Patton? the protuding cupola can be very bothersome

[uneven turtle]

It’s nearly invisible in hulldown already

Good acceleration

Mid top speed

Wonderful gun

Strong turret

9 degrees of gun dep over front

Just avoid showing them ur rear

One of my favourite tanks(my second tier 10)

[fossil marten]

Does anyone know the point/reason for this gun being avialable for the E50? Especially when it costs 54.3k xp? You don’t need it to get to the tier 10, and although it offers better dispersion than the L52 and a slightly faster reload, it’s substantial down on alpha and dpm. Just seems like a waist of an opportunity to put something else there for variety 🤷🏻‍♂️

[torpid wraith]

Remains of the old blitz. You’d have random guns that weren’t very good but there was options. Now it’s streamlined to just be stock gun and top gun

[brave folio]

old blitz with old crazy guns

we need more guns

[uneven turtle]

Omg yess these pictures are relics of old times bro🥹

[clear shuttle]

is-4 with the d25

[frigid sapphire]

M46 with howitzer

[inland elbow]

Only one I can even think of being still viable is the 122mm d25t on the kv-4, bad pen but I used to use it over the top gun on my old account. Nothing feels worse than getting light tank/medium tank damage rolls with worse reload than them

[unique scaffold]

The new heavies on Lesta Tanks Blitz are broken...please never put these thing into Wot Blitz. At first i wanted them into our Blitz, but then after i played a tier 8 game on Lesta Tanks Blitz with IS-3 and saw that i cannot pen the tier 8 hybrid tech tree heavy, prammo is useless vs these things

[frigid sapphire]

300% = 3x the alpha

3x580 = 1740

Never cook again

[keen phoenix]

300% is x4 🤓

[unique scaffold]

Give T77 3 shots clip=>balanced.

Also, give Skoda T56 a 2 shots clip=>balanced

And last but not least, give Object 752 a 3 shots clip=> totally balanced

[torpid geode]

t100 has lower pen ☠️ , vickers is fine the way it is.

[mighty bluff]

Hmm not necessary bc we have seen other 105mm with 300 alphas

[ember idol]

Yeah when they're barely above tier 6

This is a tier 10, give it some beef

[upper furnace]

and give bc 25t 5 shot

[cinder shard]

How about a 5-shot Gsor

[stone drum]

Because it's the only tank with the gun, but imo they should give the elefant the 8.8cm l/100.

[torpid geode]

vickers is fine with what it is, i see no one else complaining xD

[stone drum]

That's because it's horrendously garbage to get point it's not worth playing.

[prisma jetty]

If you haven’t seen anyone else complaining then you need to open your eyes

[torpid geode]

personally a good tank here in the community is considered a over powered against everything else. so id keep the vicker as it is, dont like it dont play it

[ancient rampart]

No that would be a broken tank

a good tank can hold it's own comfortably

Then you have mid tanks like the VZ and CS-63 which are not good but not bad either

Then you have the Vickers

[severe tide]

by usa tanks the guns shotting sometimes to the air not to the target this is a old sickness by usa tanks in game need perfecktion setup

[prisma jetty]

What are you even trying to say?

[ancient rampart]

What

[thorny timber]

he's probably aiming at the air,lmao

[mystic trout]

buff the 268v4's armour.

[uneven turtle]

I’d play the cs 63 over vickers any day

Vickers has nothing standing out about it anymore

It used to have the best view range then it got that taken away from it

It used to have a more painful gun then that got taken away from it

It used to have a troll mantlet which deserved to be taken away from it

Now what does it have?

Nothing. Just speed but then again, some LTs are more mobile than it

[tough trout]

Even some mediums, like leopard, 30b, and 140, are more mobile than Vickers…

[steady cairn]

You are right Vickers, it has no distinguishing features anymore.

[wicked ore]

Buff is-3 defender

[visual oar]

Just how the vicker light kill the obj84

[severe tide]

le kmpz 90 mm is a rocket tank speed amazing gun is ok load time ok

[ember idol]

It already got buffed a while ago

[wicked ore]

Yeah, but 7.5 second is so much, te souma reloads the same, 23 seconds but he has 2.5 shot, is-3 defender has 7.5, is for that thing the tank suck, y never have more tan 2800 damage, and it's wors than the is-3 normal

[ember idol]

1st point, the IS-3D has a 122mm gun, while the Somua has a 100mm gun, therefore it's normal for it to have a worse gun stats and

2nd point, the IS-3D is not a damage dealer, choose literally any other heavy clipper that prioritise in that line of work

[acoustic estuary]

Gun calibers doesn’t mean a gun is better then another with less caliber.

[torpid geode]

idk, could still hill peek

[ember idol]

Unfortunately most of the time in tier 8, that's the case

[stone drum]

Somua has 3s inbetween shells.

[wicked ore]

Im not talking of stats, im talking that is not normal two heavy tank's tier 8/VIII one have 3.0 seconds in the charger and the other one have 7.5, yes, the russian gun has a 122mm gun and the france gun 100, but one have 7.5 second's and the other 3.0, the is damage is 400 and souma 300, im talking that the time betwen the is-3 defender and souma is 4.5, un that time souma has shothed almost 3 shot's an is only 1..., the is-3 defender is a bad tank, the russian guns have so much dispersion, so face to face the is CAN do something, but at 300/250/200 meters, its usseles if u not wait 6 second's to have more aim, the thing is, 7.5 second's is so daem much and the tank is bad, i tink 6.0 second in the charger betwen a shot can make the tank more powerful, no q broken tank, but a playable tank, because i sold it for 3 million an for that i have the centurión MK5

[stone drum]

You say this like Somua Is a great tank, when in reality it's balls.

[wicked ore]

50/50

But it's just a comparison

[severe basin]

Do not go near the kitchen again you didnt cook

[stiff stump]

European tanks are really good

[wicked ore]

What ever, i sold the tank, and mi inglish is bad, srry

[mighty bluff]

Its alright there is better for sure but it aint bad

[ember idol]

You sold the tank

There the problem is solved

[torpid geode]

fine with it

no but im getting there

[uneven turtle]

Just get the obj 140

[torpid geode]

already have it, best tank in game but arty better

[uneven turtle]

Maybe if you had the old mantlet it’ll sound like a good option

[torpid geode]

280 is still good

[uneven turtle]

I’m talking about armor not alpha

[torpid geode]

still good.

[uneven turtle]

170mm worth of armor isn’t good. And it’s flat behind the mantlet so the effective armor is ass

Stop tryna convince yourself the tank you’re grinding for is good

Or in other words, stop coping

Anything can pen your mantlet even a t8 med can pen your mantlet

You seriously expect a t10 to not be able to pen the mantlet?

[torpid geode]

whether you like it or not its agile, 4.9-5.0 reload, is enough, its good. hands down i convinced myself long ago when first played it.

"Anything can pen your mantlet" that's if your considering everyone in MM to have absolute aim. Otherwise you play with tards.

Nothing will convince me it isn't a great tank, literally any tank is good if you know how to play it. Not everyone's aim is as you say can pen mantlet

[real bison]

genuinely what does the VL have over tanks like the Leopard 1 or any of its fellow LTs

[uneven turtle]

Smh even leo 1 turret has a more troll mantlet, higher alpha with slightly longer reload, more accuracy, roughly the same mobility and same top speed. Only difference is camo but bro leo does everything better

Vickers is trash but sure if you’re gonna cope, then cope. But stop tryna tell others it’s good and keep it to yourself

And your a vickers light. Playing on MT side

Everything you go against there has the accuracy to hit you. You’re not playing against tanks that has the gun handling of a is5

Also @frigid sapphire when it’s among the worse you don’t have to sugarcoat your words by saying it’s not all that bad

[frigid sapphire]

Tbf, vickers ain't that bad at all, but its definitely among the worst when compared to the other Tier 10 Meds and lights

Kinda unfortonate that it doesn't have that impeturable manlet, it is kinda of letdown when it doesn't have its own protection whereas other LTs in general has that "Autobounce"* mechanic for themselves.

But then again. The alpha nerf was unnecessary, it was only thing that was holding its grip on the rope.

@uneven turtle I personally find it enjoyable tho-

[torpid geode]

ill get vickers then ill prove that opinion wrong

how many games we talking?

[uneven turtle]

Gets one good game and says Vickers Light is good just watch

200+ bare minimum

[real bison]

what did the Vickers use to have?

• 3.6k DPM
• Highest viewrange in the game
• strong mantlet

what does it have now?

• 3.2k DPM
• 300 alpha, every LT has more alpha
• no longer has a strong mantlet
• no longer has best viewrange and was supplanted TWICE by the Sheridan, then the BC25t

[torpid geode]

3.2k DPM is good wdym, thats excellent

Leo is boring, no armour i hate it

[uneven turtle]

This is the 76th time I have said this, DPM isn’t everything unless you’re in a brawl which is stupid if you’re in a LT considering everything else has more dpm than you and more HP

Just be smart and play second line I’m fine if you average 1800 damage in your vickers at least you tried yeah?

@torpid rampart give vickers light 130 HE pen and give it 420 alpha and it’ll have some sort of advantage against other tanks should it enter a brawl and when it gets a clear and easy shot

[real bison]

just play the Leo 1 and have 700 more

even funnier since after 11.0, both will have retcal

[torpid rampart]

Not saying that it will save the Vickers, but WG should give it actual HESH (100mm HE doesn't count), since it's a variant of the 105mm L7

I just love HESH

[frigid sapphire]

Just buff vicker's Hesh Alpha to make it "somehow" viable.

[uneven turtle]

Previously it was a guy coping that kpz 50t is good

Now it’s a guy coping that vickers light is good

[torpid rampart]

Not sure if 130mm is enough to consistently pen other T10 lights, but around 150-170mm is probably the most penetration I would give the Vickers HESH

It makes it so that the Vickers can at least punish/retaliate against other lights hard instead of a sad 300 damage "trade"

[uneven turtle]

130 is more than enough

It shouldn’t be enough to pen a S conq lower plate easily

[torpid rampart]

Oh yeah, might be too much penetration, that's almost the same as the HESH penetration 120mm L1 on the Conqueror/FV215b

In that case I think 140mm would be a good compromise, enough to pen all lights, some mediums from the front, but still weak enough for heavies to frontally resist

420 sounds alright as well

[remote sluice]

hol up vickers is bad alright, but ur saying kpz 50t is bad? idk i love that thing tho, the tungsten + adrenaline combo is lovely

[uneven turtle]

Slow mt with its so-called armor

So what if it has dpm

Gotta run double offensive consumable?

Goodbye survivability

[remote sluice]

havent faced much of a problem w survivability tbh, dishing out that dpm is fun as hell and is also why i love the cs-63. kpz gun is derpy af tho but usable for the most part. but yea idk, i enjoy it and dont think it’s bad

[uneven turtle]

It’s a one trick pony. It solely relies on enemies not facing you and allowing you to dump your dpm

Hulldown fights will result in kpz losing should it come against majority of mts that have better turrets

And it loses out on mobility being the second most sluggish mt

[humble halo]

What are y'all's opinions on the 121b?

[ember idol]

Nothing remarkable, but nothing bad either if you can get over the poor gun depression

[stone drum]

Not really a mechanic, it's just Vickers has a crappy design versus other lights having very sloped armour plates, despite them being literally half as thick as Vickers.

[humble halo]

Concept 1b or chieftain mk6

[remote sluice]

chief is more flexible imo

[plain wagon]

How about WZ 132 1? I think people may forget about its existence.

[clear shuttle]

nah

[uneven turtle]

Personally I love it but bias aside, it has the weakest traverse for the T10 lt class and has 5 degrees of gun dep

While its traverse is bad it has the second highest top speed for t10 lights, second to the t100 LT

But, if you change up your playstyle and play second line(which you should when playing LT) the 7 second spotted mechanic pairs extremely well with the fact that you have 360 alpha and have 7.2 seconds of reload without rammer

Because of the spotting mechanic making you being unspotted 3 seconds faster, it’s better to run Cali than rammer since it’s highly recommended that you poke while unspotted

Rammer is getting nerfed next update anyway while Cali is getting buffed

It’s accuracy is extremely good for how good of a gun it is on a LT

Butttt all modules are Chinese made so remember to keep your fuel hidden

[plain wagon]

surprised that someone remember the china tonk. Well said.

[heady kiln]

I think the annihilator needs a nerf in big boss Modus

[unique scaffold]

yes i think annihilator needs a nerf in big boss Modus

[analog badger]

They could give it back its 350 alpha lol

[ancient rampart]

Vickers got nerfed so hard that the WZ-132-1 is a better tank

The Vickers atm is just a discount Leopard 1 with worse alpha and worse view range lol

[uneven turtle]

You can’t even call it discount leopard, it’s a wannabe tank

[ancient rampart]

Vickers went from having 350 alpha with 3172 DPM to 300 alpha with 3288 DPM

extremely minor DPM buff at the cost of a ton of alpha

While also losing it's gun mantlet armor that allowed it to have troll armor while hulldown

[wintry zephyr]

Just got Excelsior, what is that tank even good for? Nothing special to me.

[mighty bluff]

Nothing but 11 gun dep medjay better

[torpid geode]

kpz 50t looks like a brain tumor

oui

[sweet socket]

I am from Panamá, new member

[thorny timber]

are we seriously beating the dead horse again,you are literally using cali with vk 72,even the 113g is transparent on flat ground

[leaden flare]

youre literally aiming down at it
its on flat ground

frontline does no mean sitting in the open like an absolute ape

[mellow dawn]

Where should I upgrade?

[thorny timber]

ignores how e3s lfp is also weak to standard

E3s resistance to prammo might be better,but in basic standard rounds Mino is still undeniably more resistant and not to mention the fact that e3 has to go hulldown to actually make it's Armor effective when it's getting fired with standard

@mellow dawn wrong channel,e100 #general-blitz-discussion

[mellow dawn]

Vk72, MAUS, or E 100?

[fathom glacier]

I would grind E100 or vk72

[unique scaffold]

Good.

[ancient rampart]

Great mobility
Great gun depression
Very high DPM
Decent armor

Please stop using disingenuous angles when showing armor profiles

You've done this multiple times before

[shadow bane]

balance the maus

[agile pasture]

I dont know if it’s ok to pet it here as it’s not a tank but rather a gamemode
But please make it so bosses in big boss are of the same class, remove fall damage as light tanks get tested away far too much and remove graviton completely or limit it at 1 per team

[analog badger]

That guy's not using enhanced armor on top of being on flat ground so ofc his armor is gonna be weak

It literally reduces the amount of pennable armor you see on it to like 1/3 compared to the first image shown and with hulldown (which is easy to do since it's a second line tank with an average profile) it's pretty much impossible to pen for tanks with less than like 390mm penetration

Instead of showing scenarios that are pretty easy to replicate for its intended playstyle (second line hulldown) you keep showing disadvantageous scenarios (frontline/point blank vs tanks with taller profile and pretty good pen) and the armor ofc doesn't work well

[remote gate]

The Mino was meant to be resistant to standard shells and not premium shells, photo above was shown to be looking down at the Mino essentially making the armour less effective due to the angle of reduced.

[analog badger]

The small area around the gun is weak only to other tank destroyers that are using calibrated when hulldown. As for the other spots, both cupolas are tiny enough when going hulldown and especially when second line so it's only really concerning when going against tanks with reticle cali, tracks again aren't realistic to hit if you're hulldown same for the turret ring

[stone drum]

2 pixel weakspot moment

[analog badger]

It's not a frontline tank because its armor gets buttered by gold against heavies with decent penetration and going frontline with it makes it easier for tanks with taller profiles to look down on your armor which reduces your effective armor, not to mention that you don't even have heavy tank hp so you're gonna go down even faster. Play it second line hulldown and most of your problems with its armor will disappear in most maps (with exceptions to a few like Dead Rail and Mines ig)

[ancient rampart]

Learn how to hull down

[frank bone]

Blud, the only realistic weakspot on that tank is the cupola to the right. If u are taking it from a med pov.

[uneven turtle]

Is this guy a mino enjoyer or mino complainer

[vagrant bear]

Wow a hulldown tank can be penned on flat ground with prammo who would have thought
Also let's not forget the E3's LFP can penned with standard ammo while with the mino you need prammo on most tanks to do that(and in some tanks not even prammo is enough)

[uneven turtle]

Nah as long as you use prammo it’s fairly pennable. Not gonna be much struggle as someone above rightfully stated that it’s meant to hold against standard shells instead of prammo

[humble halo]

Can I get a tank by just doing clan missions or is the quest required

[sonic mica]

I think E100 line is the best if you're new

[wispy iron]

Is there any way for me to know the percentage of credits a certain premium tank earns?

[thorny timber]

for a mino "enjoyer" he surely rants a lot about it

[brave folio]

i like minojob

[void mantle]

If you want a fair armor comparison just use the POV from the tanks barrel straight on at 0 deg elevation and traverse and you’d get a better picture

[nimble zodiac]

That’s a faulty shell collision into the concrete

[civic ocean]

Plz give back old 60tp gun

[quick oyster]

Ağlama oynaaa

[stone drum]

Increase avenir top speeds to 65/23 kph & buff the turret traverse speed by 3°

[remote sluice]

it needs better gun handling, no amount of speed can compensate for its foch 155 accuracy

[nimble zodiac]

It’s not proof

[merry pelican]

😹

[ancient rampart]

Skill issue tbh

[remote sluice]

skill issue + this proves my statement

[ember idol]

Might as well be a Mino Malder dawg

Just stop man

[zenith furnace]

Then don’t use the reserve shell, it’s not that deep

It’s roughly 20 seconds to load the first two shells, not 26

[icy furnace]

its actually 27

[zenith furnace]

My bad, though from what I understand the interclip whilst reloading both shells only takes effect once, meaning the reload comes out to ~23 seconds

It appears we are talking about different scenarios. I’m talking about how long the reload is if you only have the reserve left. I think you’re more so talking about the time it takes to unload and reload the first two rounds. In this case, I agree that it takes ~27 seconds to reload and unload the first two rounds of the clip. Apologies for the confusion

[uneven turtle]

Change name to Mino_complainer

[remote sluice]

“i enjoy my tank but it needs lists out 100 buffs that will make it overpowered”

[cinder shard]

Literally... This has been going on for about a month now, countless people have already tried to explain the matter

[obtuse sentinel]

And let me propose a solution to the problem. Since all he does is bring up the same points over and over again and since that has already been addressed, I say it's best to ignore it and to not engage anymore since it's going to be pointless to open the discussion again.

[torpid geode]

ez hatch pen

mino too slow, front armour is its only good half. Very easy to kill, challenging on heavy easier on med and light, same as TD

[cinder shard]

You realize that the view is from a JG E100 shooting Heat, right?
The majority of T10s can't pen the Mino in that situation

[ancient rampart]

You're not hitting that consistently

Mediums can't even pen that

[torpid geode]

im debating on that, never mentioned that frontal pen only

[cyan birch]

buff vickers light

[mighty bluff]

Bro u only shoot 2 shells for convenience

Wait 9 secs if its a heavy, meduim or td he doesnt have enough time to load the next before u also the enemy will back to cover from intra clip of 3.5 secs if thats ur argument🤣

Sometimes it works but that is very situational cant say any of those answers actively work

[mighty sandal]

t110e3 is awesome

[barren goblet]

Lower plate seems quite weaker after PBR rework.

[limpid swift]

Make smasher average 1k with ap

[ancient rampart]

Good

[analog badger]

The real issue is its shoulders being much easier to pen with gold rather than the lower plate due to it being more flat than rounded

[boreal stream]

Please give back Tungsten to Amx 54 mle

[remote sluice]

and 480 alpha

[boreal stream]

yes please 🗣️🙏

[fickle shoal]

waaaah

[unique scaffold]

Buff Sheridan gun handling but nerf the dpm

[ember idol]

It already has good gun handling and pretty poor dpm tho?

[frigid sapphire]

The gun handling on the sheridan is more than good enough tho-

Atleast for me

[remote sluice]

my proposal for Vickers Light

• alpha buffed from 300/260/380 to 300/260/420
• pen buffed from 250/290/105 to 250/300/120
• aim time buffed from 3.7s to 3.5s

if wg rlly wants the vickers to be this low alpha pew pew light tank of tier 10, i think these small changes will bring it back to relevancy, bcus rn it doesnt have anything going for it

[tulip fog]

guys uhhh i wonder where is the reload button i play on phone and when i grind the m6 yoh line i have to bleed my hp to shot all of my clip and reload for the whole line??

[prisma jetty]

Double tap the shell

[twin egret]

Double tap on the shell you selected on the shell selection menu. Keep in mind on how many shells total you have in total for each type, otherwise if you select a she type and the amount there are is less than the number of shells your magazine can hold, you'll end up only partially filling your magazine. The same goes if you have a full magazine and switch to a shell type with the amount of that type being less than what the magazine can hold fully; shells will vanish from your clip if you do.

[void mantle]

Taking personal performance as undeniable proof while casually ignoring serverwide statistics which show mino having the highest Winrate, KDR, KPB, and survival among ALL tech tree tier 10s

39% survivability being the best among all tier 10s, not even tech tree only haha "damn its only the most survivable tier 10, such a disappointment" 2k average damage which is still the 5th highest among tech tree Xs btw, and it does that with the only 2k+ DPM it has compared to many tanks with higher DPM doing less, and you still wonder why

I don’t see any problem with the mino, and I’m sure you know the overwhelming majority doesn’t as well. If you want to talk about the gun sure there’s a discussion to be had but definitely no problems with survivability at all

[severe basin]

Theres literally nothing wrong with the mino its fine as it is

Yea? Dont see anything wrong with that

So? Literally any tank could have that issue where your shells just magically hit tracks and number 2 enchanted armor hits ALOT of other tanks not just the mino dunno what your trying to say when all your points are irrelevant

[fallow eagle]

Give it progetto gun but less accuracy and more pen

Well wg can't buff an already good performing tank without nerfing it somewhere else

[plain wagon]

When he mentions FV 215b 183, I can't say anything.

[fallow eagle]

If they are better then more players would perform well in those tanks...but out of the tanks you mentioned here only wz113gft has better 90 day wr

[deft quail]

is jadg snowstorm good?

[frigid sapphire]

Yes

[remote sluice]

truly a mino complainer moment

[sudden island]

OP. buy the non snowstrom camo one. u have option to change camo when u like

[ancient rampart]

OMG a tank has weaknesses?!

[thorny timber]

no but like seriously mino is probably one of the most braindead tanks at t10,i am just surprised that people can find ways to make it even more braindead

[deft quail]

I got it from crates...

[leaden flare]

yeah i cant believe the most braindead tank in the game has that
except against mediums because yeah totally nice tank design when meds cant even really pen ur cupola with prammo

[native folio]

Give Pz. Sfl. IVc much more gun elevation angle.

[nimble zodiac]

Nah

[ancient rampart]

You know somethings wrong when there's someone saying that some of the best armor in the game is "bad"