tank-balance-discussion

[jade ruin]

I’m not trying to mean it in a negative manner. I was just unaware that tier 9’s were enriched as well. That’s good to know thank you! (This 5 minute wait period is annoying but eh. I just watch the clock to reply lmao)

[void siren]

You’re welcome!

https://na.wotblitz.com/en/news/event/k-91-chests/

They put a little blurb at the bottom of the initial page - The K-91 is not a Premium tank. Its profitability corresponds to the profitability of a researchable Tier IX vehicle with activated enrichment. The characteristics of the K-91 may be adjusted in the future if it is necessary for improving the game balance.

[twin egret]

Is the M60 an enriched tank or a reward tank or both? I remember seeing it classed as a reward

[void siren]

Reward, as it makes no credits 😭

Same coefficient as m46 unless you buy it from the right deal - if you’re lucky you’ll buy it with enrichment as part of the deal

So it’s a reward tank because wg nerfed the credit making

[twilit crystal]

its always been a reward

[jade ruin]

Isn’t the credit coefficient only like 75%? It’s really low. Easily the lowest credit making tank at tier 10 which is a shame. I wish that they would make it higher so people play it again. You still see them but not as often as other mediums. Granted since the M48’s buff it is a much better tank in all aspects.

[jagged forge]

Bro , the m60 will never be a Patton tank

[wicked quest]

It’s a reward tank however it’s origin is a WG embarrassment that even today it’s still not that clear

[twilit crystal]

i mean it was some correlation with high spending but IIRC @drowsy plaza who literally had every premium int he game at the time didn't get it, my guess it was probably spending per day or recent spending

[jade ruin]

Gosh dang right it was an embarrassment. At that point I was playing for quite some time and didn’t get one, had a few thousand games at that point. But people with 500 games were receiving one considering it was “random”

[wicked quest]

Yes and the exact amount was never said iirc and M60 was supposed to be a loyalty gift to high spenders but WG messed up and they got gifted to randoms , some who barely spent like 10 or 20$ or people who didn’t even have a tier 10 they never touched on what happened or what part was true.

[quick rapids]

I have some suggestion, premium ammo should cost gold, this is to make tanks like the E-100, maus and other be able to do what they are supposed to do, make the UI on the home screen better, the season pass, events and other tabs just take a big portion of the screen, more realistic camos, bring back the old chat, bring the old training back.

[twin egret]

💀 lmao

[twilit crystal]

the maus is supposed to go forward angle and get a bounce half the time getting u 6k hp. The e100 is supposed to bleed hp and trade 700 for 400 against other heavies.

[stone drum]

There is only one logical response to this:

[unique scaffold]

Got warned

[winter dagger]

How to make a game P2W for real:

[barren goblet]

It should be gold only and 25% more damage

[torpid wraith]

Like steel hunter original mode

[lunar sail]

Here, buy gold ammo with your own gold and then tell us how u feel

[stone drum]

people thinking either E-100 or maus are in need of a buff is actually wack.

@torpid wraith Maus hull is incredibly strong... lol. Not to mention its troll with such a small lower plate.

[torpid wraith]

Maus hull being to easily penned be a joke tho

[quick rapids]

That's how it was back in day

[placid parrot]

is the 50tp proto getting a rebalance?

[shy pumice]

kpz 70 need serious buff

[ember marsh]

chieftain mk 6 needs buff 💀 type 71 is better in holdown

[wicked quest]

bro can’t use the mk6

[ember marsh]

i got 2300avg dmg with it but still type 71 needs to be nerfed or chieftain buffed

[wicked quest]

And I do 2.8k average spamming it mk6 needs no buffs as it already had some Type 71 can go drive off a cliff

[unique scaffold]

Jaguar is right

[ember marsh]

what do u mean type 71 can go drive off a cliff 💀 dude type has stronger turret than chieftain

[mint chasm]

Bro you your logic is awesome 🤣 If we use your logic then we can say that Anihilator should get buffed becouse its worse than Smasher XD

[wicked quest]

It’s a noob proof tank that’s the point of it it requires no skill to do well at all in and mk6 despite being a hulldown tank is not meant to be hulldown , type is a slug and has horrid accuracy and dpm using it in a hulldown role is effectively being stupid with a noob proof tank , mk6 can peek out and take rapid accurate shots

[lunar sail]

skill issue

[shut ore]

No draw?

[ember marsh]

Wait so youre telling me chieftain is not hulldown ? so what is it for , sides are paper only turret can widstand something so youre telling me that chieftain is not for hulldown thats sad you probably dont even have 2.8k avg 💀

[wicked quest]

You walked into that one. Before you try moving the goal post the MK6 is one of the most flexible heavies second and third only to E5 and E6 your meant to be a second liner and can operate as a fat medium

[ember marsh]

I get it , youre farming meds but thats not the point. The thing is that its useless agains any tier X heavy because it lacks the armor.

[unique scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/jehovova-pomsta-kunda-reznik-martin-pohl-do-kundy-je-gif-15927237

[wicked quest]

Because you have what they don’t raw dpm if all your shots land you out dpm all heavies except 215b I already said it’s true strength admittedly if type 71 lost armor except the stupid invincible drive wheel it would effectively go extinct and as much as I hate the type 71 that’s really the only thing keeping it relevant besides the premium AP round

[ember marsh]

The thing is that u have the biggest weak spot u can have its really easy to shoot and other tanks like strv K are WAY better for farming meds than chieftain

[wicked quest]

That’s not the point I was making and also reinforces mine mk6 has no full reliable armor your meant to use your flexibility , strv K also has a medium gun hence why but compared to MK6 mk can wipe them easier

[remote sluice]

90% of this channel’s buff/nerf suggestions are ppl showing that they have none other than a major skill issue. mk6 does not need a buff, type 71 does not need a nerf. both are good at what they do: type being an easy to play tank while chief is a good hulldown tank that can farm ppl w its god tier accuracy.

[clear shuttle]

it also has reactive to help in brawls as well as the mobility to rotate and move when needed

[stone drum]

Ehh, cheiftan could definitely use abit more engine power.

@lunar sail it actually has a rather weak engine, giving it sluggish acceleration.

[remote sluice]

yea sure, a bit more is great, but im honestly fine with what it currently is

[ember marsh]

type71 needs nerf 💀 its too overpowered it has small weak spot on turret and hull you clearly dont understand what youre talking about

[lunar sail]

bruh what, its already fast enough even though its a heavy

[stone drum]

I'm not saying chefitan should accelerate like T95e6, but like 50-70 more horsepower would really help it.

[drowsy plaza]

Reactive Armor is fairly pointless in pubs, I wouldn’t consider it as a feature, as you’re giving away adrenaline or speed boost, both of which are IMO much more valuable in pubs.

[barren goblet]

20% speed boost is meh. Would rather use extra repair kit

[void siren]

Reactive is useful for trading

…immensely petty though

[stone drum]

On tanks with bad acceleration, but good top speed (and good mobility on hard terrain). Super speed boost is actually quite helpful.

Like I personally run speedboost on both keiler & AMX m4 mle. 54.

Honestly I kinda wish engine boost was abit more powerful & longer lasting. 25% & 25s would be so good

[winter dagger]

Keller's speed catches some ppl off guard but running speed boost is a next level of speed lol

[stone drum]

Keiler + double fuel + speed boost on hard terrain is funny

[remote sluice]

have u ever heard abt premium ammo? have u ever heard abt disengaging with a type if u cant fight it? have u ever thought abt its weak side armor plus the weakspot right on its head lights? ever tried penning its cheeks? ever tried to adapt and overcome? dont show us that ur bad at this game buddy, we dont need to know

[drowsy plaza]

If you are familiar with armor inspector you will know the spots to shoot a Type. If the front drive wheel is causing you issues go look at the armor profile. Once you know where to shoot, that issue disappears for you. The same with other issues, if it’s using the gun depression equipment it’s going to be sluggish and you can get around it if your a mobile tank, if it isn’t then you can clip the cupola if you have a decent gun and can aim.

[queen kestrel]

Buff the Panzer II

[lunar sail]

Give all the players keni otsu and buff it

[cunning socket]

Nerf grille
Too op- give it 400 alpha and 5sec reload

[scenic hazel]

is it just me or e50m’s gun accuracy is kinda suck, i mean i fully aimed but the shell just went straight to the ground, it happened a lot of times

[clear shuttle]

thats what happens when you keep buffing its armour

[dapper zenith]

Are you sure it wasn’t terrain grab, sometimes bad modelling can grab the reticle and dunk the shell

[fast garnet]

That would explain a lot of ghost / bad aim shells

[real bison]

what?

if that’s the case why were the top pro teams spamming the chief in autumn finals and not the Type?

if you have the chief and want to hulldown, shoot, then wiggle your turret with more bias to the right, when using full gundep, you can actualll change how much of the cupola the enemy can see

[ember marsh]

Ye but there are few maps where u can use full gundep and its sides are litteral paper so if u do bad move u get pened easilly....

[wanton tiger]

chieftain is almost an OP tank lol why need buff?
If it ever needs a buff is to not let HE and Hesh pen it's view port

[unique scaffold]

Chief is op in normal wot not here

[clear shuttle]

because the cheiftain on pc is also a different model/version overall
when used the chieftain can be strong on blitz

[wanton tiger]

that's why I said almost lol. It's very good as a support heavy on large hull down maps. Some maps it's lackluster compared to E6

[glacial hornet]

КУДА Я ПОПАВ А В ТАНКІ ТОП

[woeful widget]

Chieftain is balanced tank

[proud abyss]

Got on my 5th spin of Alpha X draw, is it good?

[keen anchor]

No bad

[weary quartz]

@lapis yacht wt and wt ritter not included in the upcoming balance changes?

[atomic obsidian]

rework the pharaoh gun tbh. the reload speed is 17 secs with 3 clips?

-inaccurate and low damage
-you mostly get 1-2 shots in (highly depends already)

i rather have the chi ri gun 🙏🏽

[stone drum]

Cheiftan is good, but op is something it is not nor is It close to being.

[onyx crow]

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[gleaming apex]

imkwickie was banned.

[worthy relic]

E50M is wild

[lost crane]

250 at t7 is better than average, and Pharaoh is the only « true » autoloader in its tier. You can compare it to all 310x3 autoloader at t8. Pharaoh doesn’t need any buff, if you want to increase its alpha, you need to increase intra clip and/or nerf mobility/armor.

[queen geyser]

Chi-Ri

[lost crane]

Sorry, I mean heavy autoloader

There is predator and chi ri, but they have lower alpha but better dpm.

[stone drum]

Both the Mobility & armour already Kinda suck

[burnt venture]

This rebalance is so premium focused it’s disgusting

They’re willing to balance tanks that barely anybody plays like the Char and the T55A but then leave out tanks which haven’t changed in 7 or 8 years like M103 and ST-1

[stuck acorn]

Oh god, and i thought HESH gun on T10 in this line was garbage. This is one is somehow even worse

It has less pen on gold HE with cali than Conqueror has on cheap HESH without cali. Damage, accuaracy and gun depression are all also garbage. What's even the point of that?

I'd literally rather play caliban at T9 than this abomination

And all that considering that the whole platform this gun is on is not amazing either

[ivory portal]

Ok

[torpid wraith]

The he gun is gonna be pretty unusable unless you always fight meds, like 254 ap is gonna struggle against t9 let alone t10

[void siren]

the ap pen on the goofy gun is pretty good, and it can basically outtrade every opponent it faces

hull armor is bad

the gun can load standard HE and inflict absurd damage too

[fickle shoal]

this is truly the heavy tank line of all time.

[stuck acorn]

The HE gun on this is absolutely worthless. Even if you ALWAYS fight meds only, you won't pen even those with 170 pen most of the time and 1900 DPM on AP makes you basically harmless to them. Not to mention the fact that you will most likely miss half of the shots, especially weakspots shots with that accuracy as well.

And please also consider the fact that this thing goes only 40kph with mid p/w ratio. Depending on Terrain resistances, it might never be able to reach that med flank in the first place.

@void siren And? Every sinlge upside of this tank you pointed out is worthless.

Sure 530 is well above average alpha, but why bother if you have guns that are perfectly viable in other aspects and have like 460 alpha which is only slightly less? Not to even mention Kpz 70 and T30 which are both much better in other gun stats while having even more alpha.

And standard HE is just a joke. Seariously, what are you going to do with that 66 pen shell (that's also with calibrated lol) while E75 with fully red lower plate even to your highest pen shell is charging at you? You ain't penning ANYTHING with that on a tank that goes 40 kph and might not even be able to consistently reach it depending on terrain resistance

[burnt venture]

The fact that the alpha is nerfed down from the tier X makes the 460 gun worth running for the tier 9.

There’s no point giving up pen DPM and gun handling just for 530 alpha and only 600 HE damage

[void siren]

The ap shell is pretty good for trading, and the hp bar is impressive.
The power to weight makes it a borderline heavium - terrain resistance is 110!

the he shell can punish poor souls for trying to sidescrape, and the tank can move fast.

but the 460 gun is literally incredible so no reason to run the 530

[stuck acorn]

@burnt venture Even at T10 i'm not really fan of that 152, sure it's meant to be more of a joke gun, but it's really bad.

This on the other hand doesn't even really work as a joke. It's so bad, that i'm not sure if it would be that viable even if it was T8 tank.

HESH alpha is pathetic, HESH pen is even more pathetic and forces you to use calibrated ruining your DPM even more. Accuracy is garbage basically making you unable to aim for weakspots - only thing allowing you to pen anything with such a pen.

@void siren No, it's not. AP shell is not strong in any circumstances what so ever. It's just bad. 254 pen at highest penetration shell on a T9 tank is lacking to say at least, let alone a tank with such an accuaracy and mobility. It's just not worth it to trade off every single gun stat for like 70 more damage or so. If it was 600 base damage and 720 HESH, with like 180 HESH pen, there would be something to consider. Current version is just worthless

[winter dagger]

It needs at least cent 7/1 levels of HESH/AP pen to be more viable, but even so there's almost no point be playing with the derp as it's not much of a alpha increase

[burnt venture]

Do you even have eyes?

Look at the ground resistance on medium terrain (that's the one that matters most). On the tier 7 and 8 it's 79. On the tier 9 it's 85. It's complete trash. Not to mention, the power to weight is only 14 hp/ton and the traverse numbers are terrible.

They've made the exact same error AGAIN as they did with the VZ-55 line. As soon as thse tanks step off road, they're going to turn straight into superheavys. 14hp/ton with 85 terrain resistance is closer to 11hp/ton. Then combine this with the terrible turret traverse speeds and sub 40deg/s track traverse...

The entire line is going to be slow, cumbersome, and have the same firepower as better tanks. They've done it again and made heaviums as slow as superheavys.

Without the derp guns being competitive this line has no place in the game

[stuck acorn]

It will basically join the unholy pact of all recent WG's laughable additions. And funnily enough, as we thought that it's impossible to create anything even more pointless than CS-63, here they are doing it again passing the crewn of the biggest joke tank of the game to BZ.

[primal mortar]

The derp gun is more for Memes and the small gun is good but its on a shiet plattform, so no point of playing the Bz really

[fickle shoal]

WZ-113 stays winning 💯 💯 💯 🔥 🔥 🔥

[stuck acorn]

People really, really overrate alpha in this game. Hear me out, it might be very shocking to you, but...

A sheer fact that a tank has premium HE shells, doesn't make it have high alpha, neither it justifies making every single other stat on it absolutely garbage. It also doesn't mean that the tank has no other purpose than trolling and should be specifically made bad

530 alpha at T9 isn't special, neither is 600. It's not a game breaking alpha like on 183 that requires ruining a tank to sustain.

Just give it actually good alpha that justfies other stats being bad and ability to use it by buffing the pen, or make other gun stats actually good so it can work even without big alpha advantage over enemies

[burnt venture]

Imagine somehow a worse VZ-55 line, but with derp guns slapped on to somewhat placate the playerbase

[stuck acorn]

"derp" *

WIth things like Kpz 70 and T30 around, i wouldn't even necesarilly consider it a derp lol.

It's just basically a T9 version of VK 28 105mm tube.

Funi gun with more damage than the standard one (still less than many other tanks at said tier tho), but so incredibly garbage that only trolls ever dare to touch it

[stone drum]

T55a is literally one of the most pointless tier 9s.

[burnt venture]

It’s still not as big of a problem as M103 lol

Like the tank isn’t popular so it’s not a huge issue

[primal mortar]

Vz could have been soo nice, but no they gave it a „funny new feature🤓“ which isnt even special anymore since now random new tanks get it.

[burnt venture]

VZ-55 would be a decent tank without the atrocious 13kph reverse and 75 ground resistance. As soon as the tank needs to turn or reverse, it's completely useless and it cuts down on the flexibility so much that it's pointless to play the tank. Heaviums without any of the mobility just suck to play

[stuck acorn]

I also think it's outrageous that they didn't change those tanks, but i think T55a surely needs something as well.

I don't see any reason why they couldn't just include more tanks into the rebalance rather than having to pick only few?

[twin egret]

sooner or later they're gonna add the Japanese superheavies out of desperation for an appealing line😂

[clear shuttle]

their gonna make the alphas all goofy

[stuck acorn]

I personally think that those tanks lack rebalance:

• M-V-Y
• M103 ^
• Object 84
• Jagdtiger ^
• Wt auf Pz IV
• Conway
• Ho-Ri T2
• Type 61
• Wz 132A ^
• WZ-120 ^
• WZ-111G FT ^
• CS-59 ^
• AMX 50 120 ^
• TNH
• ST-1

I also added a mark next to those i think need it the most

[ancient rampart]

254 AP will not struggle at all lol

@stuck acorn Why is the Jadtiger and Conway in that list lol

[strange harbor]

[stone drum]

I know I only ever mention french stuff, but AMX 50 120 really needs help. 3 years ago it was one of the great, classic tier 9s. Although the gun angles sucked, the absolutely beautiful mobility profile just made it great to play. Now it's like a freight train with its absolutely horrendous hull traverse.

My freaking Graf spee turns faster than it.

[torpid wraith]

Yes it will, 254 ap is going to struggle against t9 let alone t10, this isn’t even debatable, go play any t9 heavy and only fire standard ammo and you’ll see why

[ancient rampart]

E5 has 254 AP pen it doesn't struggle neither does the
T57 with 252 AP
IS-7 with 255 AP
Kranvagn with 253 AP
Type 71 with 255 AP
254 AP is as standard as it gets
254 AP would put it in top 5 of tanks in tier 9 in terms of penetration

[cobalt notch]

What tanks do you guys think will get nerfed from the list? Definitely obj. 752 and possible an armor nerf for E75?

[torpid wraith]

Yeah and all of them have premium rounds, what aren’t you getting it’s 254 pen and that’s it. You will struggle to pen an e75 anywhere frontally. @ancient rampart

[ancient rampart]

The E 75 is most likely going to lose some armor or something else with the balance changes
E 75's armor is very strong atm for the tier
besides if 254 ap was that bad then basically everyone in tier 9 and 10 would be shooting premium only which doesn't happen

[main tulip]

I'm gonna say it again, AMX 30 1er sucks, and has sucked for a few years now.

[ancient rampart]

Try having 245 APCR in tier 9 heavy with a 15 second reload then you can talk to me about struggling to pen tier 10s

@main tulip AMX 30 1er is decent it just needs stronger fuel tanks so it isn't set on fire every other shot and a DPM increase to compete better with up tiers

[main tulip]

It's also plagued with pretty unacceptable gold pen at a paltry 263mm

Frankly, the comfort of the turret armor and platform just do not make up for having worst in class alpha damage, DPM, AND premium penetration.

[torpid wraith]

There is no premium rounds that’s the point of me saying the pens bad. Look at the Charlemagne what a disappointment can’t pen much and has useless hesh and now the gimmick gun of the new Chinese line will be the same. It’ll just be use the 460 and alpha or be useless in most battles

[burnt venture]

Giving the Regressor a rebalance but not giving the 50TP a rebalance, and giving T55A a rebalance but not giving 132A a rebalance.

All I can see coming out of this is we just end up with a mini version of the recent tier X rebalance where the tier as a majority powercreeps the tier below, but then we're left with like a handful of stragglers who got nerfed or barely changed which are then just way worse than the competition

[main tulip]

The M103, ST-I, and AMX 50 120 are somehow gonna become even bigger jokes than they already are

[stone drum]

Kranvagn has apcr

@main tulip honestly if AMX 30 1er got it's proper gun it would be pretty decent.

[ancient rampart]

My mistake there I just quickly looked at the pen values with tank compare and didn't pay too much to the shell type

[main tulip]

The 105mm or?

[lunar sail]

hmm are we getting Pz VII gun on VK72?

[stone drum]

105mm

honestly if it was a derpy 105mm with really high dpm that would be funny.

[fickle shoal]

im praying the kpz-70 gets ap standard

[burnt venture]

that thing literally doesn't need changes, it's just fine as-is

Would be way too strong with any of the buffs, but with any nerfs it would be annoying to play

[main tulip]

I just realized CC 1 Mk. 2 isn't on the list...

[remote gate]

All I want for the Kpz 70 is more HE alpha because 560 Standard to 640 HE is dreadful

[leaden flare]

how is kpz fine ?
that thing suffers from my experience its pen isnt great by any means
(or at least i suffered playing it nowadays)
while 245 apcr is still somewhat usable its the worst amongst all heavys
it gets only 6° of gd which makes working that low pen even worse
youre by no means save hulldown as weakspots are plenty and the armor falls apart in uptiers against prammo
and its HE is getting worse and worse with every Spall liner line introduced into the game

its been a great balance choice back when it was introduced to cut the HE dmg by a decent bit but now with all the spall tanks its lackluster especially when the lightank with the same gun get 40 alpha more

[burnt venture]

those are downsides to balance out the fact that this is a heavy with 560 alpha and decent mobility. It hits hard and is fast with some armor. It's doing fine

[stone drum]

Appearantly half the playbase is crying for it to be buffed.

@leaden flare actually the worst pen is on the 100mm top gun for AMX 50.

[fickle shoal]

only small improvements (besides hull traverse) i'd like to see sorta within the ballpark of the two images, if it looks similar to 07 P(E) stats, well uh, yes. yes it is.

apcr standard is bearable, but then at other times completely trolls me (insert obligatory skill issue comment here)

(damn those images lookin crispy in their stretched state)

[celest ridge]

Skill issues

[scarlet fjord]

53tp breaks the game istg 💀

[ancient rampart]

How so

[vagrant wadi]

Jagtiger and WZ are totally fine lol. And last I remember the ST-1 was ok too.

[scarlet fjord]

Armor profile is ridiculous when you consider the absolutely ridiculous Mobility it has
Add that with op reverse speed the odds of a skilled player getting penned is incredibly small
It has technically with gun rammer tungsten and adrenaline incredible fire power
It's aim time and gun handling in general is op (best in class aim time)
It has great gun depression (8 degrees)and incredible turret
Great pen
Only 2 down sides which 1 is if you over extend you get 1 repair kit
And your lower plate Is weak but small
I guess the hatch on the turret is a weakness kinda sorta
No joke broken

P.S WG pls don't nerf xd

[stone drum]

Jagdtiger is literally completely broken, while ST-I is massively suffering in the current meta.

[dapper zenith]

jagdtiger was broken early in the year but after they gave it a small nerf, it plays good but not op imo, id hate for them to nerf it anymore.

[teal crystal]

it's going to be easier to destroy, ruining the corner camping meta of the tank

[ebon lynx]

That would be nice.
But something like an extra degree of gun depression would be appreciable too.
Maybe speed buff? Althought it's already decently mobile.

[trim beacon]

E3 and T95 need rebalance, buff, updated graphics, it became very old now.

[stuck acorn]

Becuase Jagdtiger clearly deserves a nerf and conway could use some rebalance on it's second gun, because it feels pointless rn

Jagtiger was accidentally broken this year with unnecessary addition of tungsten. It was already very strong before, i think it could be tuned down a little. It doesn't need to be a massive nerf, but at leas something

And conway just feels forgotten. Nobody ever uses it and a stock gun feels much better than the top gun. It is actually the case for huge part of this line, but this is the most prominent example

[ebon lynx]

I agree with Conway.
Always found the 120mm gun much more consistent.

[stuck acorn]

Yeah, that AMX 50 gun is a joke lol.

WG be like:
Let's nerf the only good gun on this tank, so that we can add a new one, nobody will every use, because it's absolute garbage! This way everybody will be forced to play old nerfed gun and the tank will be even weaker!

[stray lily]

PZ V/IV is like a paper the front hull should have more armor

[stuck acorn]

It's not paper because it has bad armor, in fact it used to be very strong, it's just that pen of anything below T7 is so extremely overbuffed that armor doesn't really matter anymore unless you play T1 Heavy

[hasty flicker]

I really hope that the E50 gun depression will be buffed. Because -5⁰ for a tall tank is very inconvenient.

[main tulip]

The "last I remember" part was probably 6 years ago for the ST-I.

[scarlet fjord]

When it was IS-4/E5 hull down 374 HEAT spam meta

[stone drum]

They didn't nerf it... they actually Buffed it.

[stone drum]

I see you're now using Wargaming's new favorite adjective: "convenient".

[hasty flicker]

Yea

[mystic gorge]

Good times lol
Kran/IS4/E5 meta was a love hate relationship

[stone drum]

@stuck acorn

LMAO wg is now calling autoreloaders "pump-action". Someone please give them a better translator.

[orchid grove]

In fairness to them, pump action shotguns in FPS video games that use a tube magazine do work like autoreloaders. You have a quicker set cycle speed (the pump action), and shells are loaded into the magazine at a slower pace then it takes to pump the action

[scarlet fjord]

That was the most boring meta in wot blitz history
Before kran release 2 tanks were being spammed lol

[stone drum]

Their is absolutely no relationship whatsoever between pump operated actions & autoreloader.

No autoreloaders do not use a tube magazine, they use a cylindrical revolver type magazine that is constantly replenished.

This is simply a case of failed translation.

[stuck acorn]

Okay so OT is launched now, chinese heavies are confirmed to be useless and boring and it seems like there was nothing changed about Object 752 despite it being listed as a part of rebalance, we are receiving a great update, aren't we?

Also it seems like IS-8 lost even more mobility for absolutely 0 reason

And from what i know Leo PTA lost some DPM? For some uknown reason?

Tf is going on with those absolutely random WG balance decisions? They make absolutely 0 sense what so ever

[orchid grove]

I know the actual real life mechanism is different, but the way they act in games is similar. Each shell is loaded into the magazine one by one, and loading shells into the magazine takes longer than it takes to unload the magazine

[stone drum]

IS-8 got nerfed?

[stuck acorn]

I guess it is getting steamlined into a baby IS-7 again

[remote oriole]

Lowkey probably better than „autoreloader“ which is far too easy to confuse with „autoloader“

[sullen copper]

Yes. For the s**t players to use it better, they nerfed it's mobility but buffed the upper plate slightly. While keeping the DPM the same.
I don't care. If they NERFED this tank in such way, I'll start to punish all the IS-8s in my sight with my almost unchanged 752. I'm joining to darkside.
Also 7/1 got an AP nerf. For whatever reason. Nice balancing right there again, I have to say.

[real bison]

conq getting a 300 DPM buff

[stone drum]

another absolutely embarrassment & debacle on Wargaming's part.

This whole tier 9 rebalance is nothing, but a complete failure.

[real bison]

Foch changes: DPM buffed from 2429 to 2553 (100% crew only)
clip reload time was changed from 17.26 to 16.3

no idea of any gun handling changes tho

@stone drum doesnt look like anything got nerfed, since we cant see gun handling stats in game, i have no clue if they were touched (as if the french tank already doesnt have fr*nch tank gun syndrome)

[stone drum]

What got nerfed?

[tall spruce]

what have they changed in the obj 752?

[stuck acorn]

Absolutely nothing lmao

They announced it's rebalance and then just did nothing

They can't ruin their favourite cash maker after all

[stuck acorn]

I mean, sorry i was wrong, it seems like they've nerfed the magazine reload by like 0.2s and taken away like 50 HP 🤡 🤡 🤡

[tall spruce]

thats gonne effect a bit i guess

[unique scaffold]

I played a few battles with the german T-25 and i think they should buff a bit the turret’s traverse speed and also its pen a bit…. Everything else such as the reload and speed is awesome.

[stuck acorn]

That 752 "nerf" is just as big of a joke as this whole "rebalance" thingy

@shrewd hemlock for the vickers i'm not sure, but 50TP got more HP and a bit better accuaracy in exchange for 3kph taken away from top speed

@somber bane 1 more degree of gun depression. That's all, everything else stays the same

[shrewd hemlock]

What changes did vickers cr and 50tp prototyp get?

[scenic hazel]

Gawd dawg, t20 is op guys, 2k4 dpm for a tier 7 is insane

[somber bane]

any confirmed balance changes to my beloved KPZ-70?

[stone drum]

T20 isn't even remotely OP, and 2.4k dpm is actually bad for a tier 7 medium.

[sullen copper]

+1 degrees gun depression. That's it.
@scenic hazel That shows that how bad the tank is. Hence its ace bar is so low, nobody plays with it.

[scenic hazel]

I got 3 ace’s on t20 in only 8 games with it LMAO, idk what are u talking about

Yea it’s kinda abandoned but good thing it has tha same play-style as leopard 1 which I mastered so yea… easy one tho

[somber bane]

Ill take it, it kind of needs it lol

[stone drum]

It's a great tank & I personally love it, but it's again not even remotely near OP.

[fickle shoal]

of all things they could've changed.

[winged flame]

Where do you guys get the early tanks changes info?

[fickle shoal]

open test

[vapid iris]

does anyone know the changes about the wz 114 ?

[clear shuttle]

-2mm pen on ap and heat i heard

[sullen copper]

https://guidesblitz.com/update-10-6-tier-ix-changes/

[stuck acorn]

Lmfao Leo PTA massively nerfed? and Object 752 BUFFED? What the hell is that crap?

[sullen copper]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-16174777086572528592

[shy pumice]

Bruh. I get muted for saying Shut up to someone whos talking the STB bieing bad and this guy get nothing for cursing. Bruh

[stuck acorn]

Oh no, a bad word, you can't do that!!!!!!!!!!!! honestly your mute was stupid, but it wouldn't be any less stupid for me to get muted now as well

[fickle shoal]

kpfpz 70 getting -7 seems... very random much like the rest of these changes, instead it could have gotten minor mobility buffs, ex. +2 +-2 to speeds, or super-consumables/provisions in some form, but i guess being 0.1% more effective hulldown (when the armor is already unreliable hulldown) is a nice addition

i mean for god's sake, getting AP standard and more HE alpha has been one of, if not the most requested changes it receive, just typical WG not listening

[sullen copper]

Issue with those changes is, adding more firepower to a tank with 560 alpha with good turret armor which can fight against Tier 8s would be too much. In hands of an unicum that tank is a 3k+ DPB machine and adding additional firepower to it might make it broken. Despite it is old, it is one of those tanks which managed to keep its rank/popularity somewhat somehow, in the game.
If you give this thing more HE alpha meanwhile it has 90mm pen already, this causes the tank take out approximately %50 HP of a medium/light in Tier 8 with one shot. Which is not healthy at all.
Which the old Foch 155 also had a similar issue. With the ridiculous HE alpha it had, it was able to clip out a tier 9 with two shots

[fickle shoal]

The turret is far from "good" in my time playing it, but guess that depends on whats fighting it ( <180 pen tanks looking at it: 💀 )

The Kpfpz with more HE alpha wouldn't be like the Foch, and then comparing it to the old foch doesn't matter because the FV-4005 exists right now and can do the same thing without worries of having to pen it's HE, and if it pens 2 HE's can reliably wipe a T10 med and TD along with certain T9's

if the HE receives flat alpha, then why not not the pen to more average or above avg. pen.

[nimble zodiac]

Ok

[shy pumice]

My bad. Ill remove my message just in case a mod bans me or smth

[stone drum]

It kept its rank through constant buffs to almost every relevant area.

[sullen sky]

the degenerates nerfed fosh into garbage and made vk90.01 an imbo, and you didn't screw up there?

[foggy pasture]

Buff Grille 15 it need some love and more speed (:

[torpid wraith]

T9 changes only, don’t know why bother changing the 752 like this, probably had a bigger nerf in mind but chickened out in the end

[winged flame]

752 didn't need to be changed in any aspect the fact they improved the accuracy is already good enough

[torpid wraith]

It needed nerfed mate

[ancient rampart]

WG when they buff the strongest tier 9 lol

[inland salmon]

Есть кто русский

[high skiff]

50tp prot. got nerfed for no reason in my opinion.. Most of these changes are random

[real bison]

the 50TPP literally got a slight speed nerf and had its gun buffed pretty significantly

[nimble zodiac]

752 is hilariously good, it needed a nerf

WG said this was going to be based on player suggestions, right? Who dared send their message?

[high skiff]

Slight nerf speed? I dont think so.. And it also got its view range nerfed, And dude.. Gun got buffed? It got DPM nerf and the dispersion got nerfed.. BUT The camo got buffed ._. So you can camp with it better now lol

[real bison]

im not sure where you see a viewrange nerf or camo buff in this changelist

[wicked quest]

It’s so funny they trashed leopard PTA

[high skiff]

Friend sent me these, camo buffed .. Idk man it whole seems weird

[real bison]

its a heavy so it doesnt matter lol

• they may not have the same equipment for some reason

[vital swan]

Are You serious that they will just leave the AMX 50 120 to dust again?

After all this time they will just leave that tank as the piece of trash as Its always has been...

They need to buff It's armour to at least, at least, match Its irl version, right that every tank have enjoyed till now, but the AMX...

[fickle shoal]

M103 and ST-1 crying in the corner

[vital swan]

I mean, at least they are playable, the AMX was always a piece of garbage that doesn't even try to resemble the real Surblindé...

[remote oriole]

For a comprehensive rebalance of tier nine this really seems to fall flat. Some changes I find outright impossible to understand (why a massive nerf for the PT A?) while others seem to be changes just for the sake of changing something.

And the meaningful changes also carry the wrong tone again, at least in my opinion. More armour, more hp, more dpm, more mobility, „balanced“ with more dispersion and less view range.

I feel like these balance changes were largely made to make tier nine more close quarters, and honestly I don‘t like that. Where are the skill based tanks?

[paper dust]

Все привет

[languid crane]

[hasty flicker]

I'm glad that T55a recieved a good buff

[stuck acorn]

752 essentially buffed perfectly sums up this huge joke of a rebalance for me.

They've left countless tanks in the dust, nerfed some perfectly fine tanks for no reason, buffed the most broken T9 in game and half of other changes were done just for the sake of doing it.

Maybe about 20-25% of the changes are actually viable in any way. It's just a very bad joke. Even worse than T10 "rebalance"

@simple wharf Because they don't have even a slightest clue about balancing

[simple wharf]

Why did they do that' to PTA

[potent stratus]

where can I find these details?

[barren goblet]

its good that the menace of tier 9 that is PTA gets nerfed. Tank is so strong and popular its opressive, hopefully we can finally get some relief now that that nasty t10.5 hiding as t9 is brought down.

[real bison]

here @potent stratus

[simple crystal]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[remote oriole]

I could yet again go on a rant about how unbelievably bad Wargaming‘s balancing is. Like if you do a rebalance, at least do it properly and make some actually meaningful changes that switch up the meta and/or general playstyle of the tier. But this half hearted, heavy-loving „rebalancing“ that essentially dumbs down the entire tier by nerfing skill-based tanks, by nerfing skill based characteristics and by buffing ‚dumb‘ characteristics is worse than not changing anything at all

[potent stratus]

Thanks

[barren goblet]

I didnt expect my 752 would get a buff haha. Or stay sameish more or less, depending on perspective

[stuck acorn]

0.2s change in reload won't affect your gameplay at all, 50 HP may do it. It's a straight up buff to the most broken tank in the entire tier

[dapper zenith]

you didnt see this coming? after the tier X rebalance, the 10.3 nerfs made some tier 9s better than they're usual place

[fickle shoal]

time to put another ticket in the "WG being unaware of the current state of gameplay" bin

this is assuming they don't roll it's buff back... but uh... haha... i wish

[barren goblet]

they could buff accuracy while we are at it 🙃. 752 with snappy gun would make t9 more enjoyable (for 752 users)

[dapper zenith]

a buff? im expecting them to nerf smash the 752 to almost irrelevant, hope not though

[stone drum]

Issue: your thinking logically.

[stuck acorn]

It's absolutely hillarious

[upper wren]

is the m46 patton even relevant nowadays? i thought it would be getting a rebalance

[stone drum]

I imagine the conversation went something like:

"The tier is too balanced."
"Ivan, go mess some stuff up."

[remote gate]

I hate how WG screwed over the Leopard PTA in this Tier 9 rebalance and the 752 getting little to no change at all.

But I do like the Kpz 70 and Vickers CR changes I think they're very nice.

[vital swan]

I do like the Kpz 70 and Conq ones ngl...

But nerfing the Leopard seems like kicking a sick man, and the 752 is just outrageous, and then, and I will keep saying It, they are doing nothing related to the AMX 50 120, that, If in their stats Its balanced somehow, Its just because the only players left playing It are the 60+% that somehow can pull a 50% winrate in that thing...

[stone drum]

In their stats it's performing like crap, as it is crap.

They just don't use stats anymore.

[void siren]

The graph was accidentally rotated 180 degrees before the balance changes were made

[vital swan]

Seems like the only tanks that got any buff for real was the Conqueror and the Vickers

The Leopard got indeed kicked for no reason, and the AMX is still dusting

[stuck acorn]

Cent 7/1 and T54E1 were also nerfed for some reasons i can't really comprehend

[vital swan]

It's not even like Type 68 or T-54 that you can argue Its skill issue of part of the player base If You look at the stats, nope, Its just outright kicking a dead dog

[main tulip]

T54E1 should be turned into a heavy but they gave it an extremely negligible amount of armor in exchange for a gun nerf, which is stupid

[fickle shoal]

does it still not have HE aswell

[stuck acorn]

yep, for some reason it doesn't

[prisma jetty]

It's a historical thing that wg is choosing to follow

[obtuse rain]

@real bison @real bison can you post the details about all the t9 changes?

[fickle shoal]

this game doesn't follow historical anything for balance, and if wg does follow historical accuracy, i want APFSDS for my kpz 70

[stuck acorn]

it was already posted here

https://guidesblitz.com/update-10-6-tier-ix-changes/

[torpid wraith]

Like is8 gonna be a lot stronger against t8 with the armour and firepower but against anything else it’s just a nerf

[prisma jetty]

I'm just saying the reason it doesn't have HE is because the gun never had an HE shell developed for it

[stone drum]

I want to one shot everything with 12 rounds in amx-13 magazine.

[clear shuttle]

752s gun already feels more accurate than it is on paper

[tall fox]

can someone tell me when the new chinese branch comes out please

[stuck acorn]

beginning of february

[main tulip]

because it has 0.1 on the move for some reason

[silk root]

Conq and Vickers cr needed the buffs, I think that was the right call. but why, of all tanks, why did the leo pta get hammered? I was kinda expecting a little buff, hoping for some gun depression, but now I got gun depression without the gun

[main tulip]

Conq was already strong

[bronze nest]

for me kpz got too small a buff. In general there was supposed to be a rebalance, and there are slight changes that are not perceptible too much except for the char future, which in my opinion has become even worse, and it was weak.

[fickle shoal]

AP standard, buff forward and reverse by +2 / +-3
gg ez

[stuck acorn]

There are few significant and good changes, but 752 "rebalance" and the fact that they missed so much tanks that needed them the most is a joke.

[vital swan]

I am saying this again, buff the AMX 50 120 frontal armour in at least 50 mm turret and hull!!!!

[stone drum]

The hull and turret are both in excess of 100mm thickness.

Both of which are somewhat correct.

[ancient rampart]

“Rebalance” while three of the strongest heavies got substantial buffs for fairly minor nerfs

[waxen osprey]

Leave. The IS-8. Alone.
WHY change its playstyle to be armor dependent 😦

[vital swan]

This is sarcasm right?

[stone drum]

90mm upperplate, 100mm on turret

[fickle shoal]

it doesn't need an armor buff, look how thick it is!

[main tulip]

They should nerf AMX 50 120 traverse speed again, as well as shell velocity

[vital swan]

Ohgod, just to think that this tank was called the Surblindé (Over-armoured), and even in this game It still weights nearly 70 tons, whats the hard thing in adding the armour...

[stone drum]

It didn't have armour irl, lol.

[lunar sail]

no

[clear shuttle]

did the foch armour change much with pbr

[vital swan]

Its sarcasm mate

[stone drum]

very little, but the model is physically larger.

[kindred zephyr]

Do anyone have an update/insight to upcoming vickers CR changes??

[ember idol]

Subject to change

[main tulip]

Char Futur 4 should've got an autoloader

[hybrid ravine]

Wg enough that's enough!!!! Stop it no one asked for your changes and no one really want it just leave the tanks alone please listen to us for once WG please I'm begging you at least do that and don't answer disrespectfully because you did once the last year and It really hurt me please WG stop changing the tanks that's enough!!!??

[nimble zodiac]

They asked players for suggestions, just sayin

[hybrid ravine]

Not they don't asked for it WG just go ahead with the changes without asking us
if is really necessary or not.

[clear shuttle]

they did this time, my theory is they listened to the people who went all like "people who cant beat a 752 have skill issue and they shouldn't nerf the 752 because not many people have it and dont know how to counter it", barely touched the 752 and called it a day

[gaunt burrow]

What app is that?

[ancient rampart]

Armor inspector

[lunar sail]

https://www.wotinspector.com

search that

[somber bane]

funny thing is it should have over 200mm

[fickle shoal]

@stone drum wakey wakey someones getting historical info wrong

[twin egret]

Agreed tbh, and some workable turret armor too imo

[nimble zodiac]

Suggestions for tier 9 balance changes, not reviews of theirs

[sullen copper]

By the way, WZ-121 is getting a nerf. Its gun depression is getting a -1° nerf in front after PBR

[ornate warren]

Bruh

[jagged plank]

E 50 should get increased avg. penetration

[lunar valley]

Char auto loader

[teal crystal]

just bring back the juicy alpha

[eager cove]

i know a thing even from wot pc to b, there are players who dont know about the heavium playstyle.

but depend on teams, u can go with meds/lts or support ally hts.
personally, nerf is 8 speed and buff armour is a thing no one needs except 40% ers.

i wish they could buff the speed to like 50km/h and keep the rest.

[charred heron]

So wg just casually changed the t55 A into a collector tank?

But ig no one really cares cuz no one (not even me) owns the tank lol

[twin egret]

Even with the changes, it's still a worse t-54 imo lol

[charred heron]

And they just have to touch 50tp prot and cent 7/1, wg just can’t keep their hands off these 2 tanks can they?

[twin egret]

Idk I find the changes to the 50tp to be deserved

[lost crane]

For 50tp prot it’s more a buff, because even before you can’t reach 52 km/h if you aren’t in flat ground

[ebon lynx]

Oh well, althought it's kinda sad to see its top speed nerfed, it still reaches 49 km/h, so...
At least the KampfPz 70 got its so asked 1° of extra gun depression.

[winged flame]

I think most of the people forgot about the emergency to fix the WT

[errant anchor]

Wg finally nerfed 752 it's now going to be garbage and mid

Thank you Wg!!!! 🙏🙏

[nimble zodiac]

Inb4 it still dominates tier 9 because nothing about the real problems with it was nerfed

[thorny timber]

this has to be a joke

[charred heron]

752 lost 22 dpm

Literally unplayable, day ruined

[thorny timber]

WHY WEEGEE WHY YUO NEFF 752 SO HERD I CAN'T PLEY IT ANYMRE 😭😭😭

[chilly crane]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[torpid wraith]

Wargaming had 2 options, number 1 nerf 752 and annoy a small proportion of bad players. Number 2 don’t nerf 752 and piss a lot more people off

[violet island]

22 dpm for 50 hp is still a pretty close to a buff ngl

[charred heron]

Wait something just flew over your head, what’s that? Let me take a look
Oh wait it’s just the joke

Do I really need to add a /s or /srs or sth for everything I say?

[torpid wraith]

Some people can’t detect sarcasm

[worthy relic]

Maus need penetration buff

[violet island]

just assuming the absolute worst from everyone on this dc, asssumption founded on the reality of this dc
also, I have literally the same opinion as you on the change you 1head

[charred heron]

👍

[hollow scaffold]

Is it official?

[undone umbra]

No ST-1 update again the st1

[leaden flare]

no there was just nothing actually nerfed about it 😂

[stone drum]

Nuuu wifey too soft.

Me dont want to argue with monkies over AMX 50.

[tall vault]

In my opinion I think they are taking these nerfs lightly…like REALLY lightly because they have never really nerfed a lot of collector tanks at one time and don’t want to see the outrage that they saw with the nerfs with the tier 10 rebalancing

[stuck acorn]

nerfs? where do you see a nerf here. 50HP for like 20 DPM is a straight up buff

To the most broken T9 tank. It's just stupid

@thorny timber they aren't taking it seariously at all

[thorny timber]

They aren't taking t9 rebalance as seriously as they did for t10

[remote gate]

They just throw random stuff in the wall and hope it sticks

[tall vault]

What do you think a more realistic approach would be? I have a 752 and yes it is a strong tank but I don’t think it needs the nerfs that it does. It’s a pain to fight but you have to play your cards right and you can kill it easily. Bait the shot, shoot during its interclip, bait the 2nd shot, and you have 16 or so seconds to do as much damage as you can. It’s not a tank you want to fight alone. Like I said I think they are taking a softer approach to balancing tier 9 since they received so much backlash from the tier 10 balance. I think they are taking too soft of an approach but these things can change.

[stuck acorn]

752 is stupidly broken. 16 seconds is a laughable reload for such an alpha with such an intraclip. 4 seconds are not enough to poke, aim for weakspot, shoot and hide, while 752 doesn't even need to aim thanks to best soft stats at entire tier among heavies and a T10 TD levels of pen.

If a tank is so strong it requires a help of at least 1 more tank to destroy, it means it's not balanced

And these are factors i think should be targeted in potential nerfs:

• soft stats
• pen
• intraclip
• interclip

These are factors making the tank as strong as it is. If at least 2 of them get nerfed, the tank should be more than fine. And if soft stats get a significant nerf, it could even be compensatetd with base aim time improvement, as having the worst base aim time in game is what keeps it in check with those amazing OTM values

[tall vault]

I do think the pen needs to take a hit as well. I think the 4 second interclip as it is is fine but I think the reload for 2 shells needs to hit the 20 second range. Look at the tier 9 Yoh, it’s 120mm is a 22sec? I think? Wot is a game that’s not meant to be played by yourself you’re supposed to attack with your team. It’s a numbers game that is all. The 752 is just a great ( although broken ) defender and attacker but it does have its (small) weak points. I do take your opinion on the clipper tanks, I think they really need to see a nerf id like to see a longer interclip with a shorter reload kind of like the tier 8 American heavy the M-4-Yoh I think it’s called. I’m glad to see a discussion between us that doesn’t include yelling

[violet island]

nerf the alpha and cupola’s and you are good

[thorny timber]

To which extent is the million dollar question,they do it anywhere around 400 and people start crying for refunds

[tall vault]

And that is the problem that I think WG is trying to avoid by taking very light steps into rebalancing collector tanks. Even though premium tanks are not the ones that are supposed to be nerfed it’s the collector ones and enriched ones that can be nerfed. They are just trying to avoid people yelling about a refund and giving money back.

[drifting rapids]

hi

[violet island]

I'd argue 380-390, tank would still not be completely bad but also not as strong as it is currently

[thorny timber]

its a pain in the butt for wg to balance any tank they've been selling for more than its worth in long term, at least people got used to carro to some point

[pine saffron]

If this performance adjustment is made, no one will use the is8. It is true that the upper body armor will be changed from 120mm to 132mm, which will slightly improve defense (although the lower body is flimsy, so it will not change much), HP will increase by 200, and the hull turning performance will increase from 40.82 to 40.96. However, the maximum speed will drop to 41 km/h and the retreat will be 13 km/h. The power-to-weight ratio will be subtle because the weight has increased by 7 tons, The top speed will drop to 41 km/h, the backward traverse will be 13 km/h, and the power-to-weight ratio will deteriorate considerably due to the increase in weight by about 7 tons.　　If this were applied, DPM would be just under 2,800 even with maximum reinforcement, maneuverability would be mediocre, body armor would still be flimsy even with reinforcement, the turret would be penetrable on the underside, and the main gun would have a hopeless 5 degree angle of attack! The result is a half-baked piece of garbage! What is Wargaming thinking?　　It's really sad that the last mass-produced heavy tank of the Soviet Union, a tank powerhouse, is so lightly regarded, and paper plan tanks that have not even been prototyped are given preferential treatment!

[torpid wraith]

Gone from unused to unused

[austere trout]

DEVs should do a rework for the TD class in 2024. This is necessary since the nerfs to the TDs' camouflage and DPM occurred, in addition to the maps with a lot of cover and few bushes that harm tanks with low armor that can be penetrated from above.
The class is so obsolete that it is practically not seen in any championship and many tanks have worse weapons/armor than their WOT versions (except gold tanks...).
The statistics of most TDs are getting worse with each patch and the maps in general are designed to harm their performance which depends on positioning that is more difficult than other classes.

[pine saffron]

For example, if the maximum speed was increased to 53 km/h (the historical maximum speed) and the DPM was increased to 2900-3000 max, the tank would have become a fast heavy tank with a unique character, but this adjustment is not a rebalancing but a perfect one-sided weakening without sufficient compensation after destroying its original character.
Even if the HP of a tank with such poor armor and low performance is increased by 200, it will only increase the number of points it gives to the enemy. I wish wargaming would rethink the meaning of "rebalance" again

[sterile bane]

What tank are you taking about?

[pine saffron]

is8

[lunar sail]

nobody plays is8 anyways, with or without changes, nobody uses it

[arctic garnet]

is8 bad is7 nice

[main tulip]

there's very little incentive to play most tier 9 tech tree tanks if you're already done with the grind. WG clearly intends the tier to be a stepping stone to tier X, rather than somewhere you want to be long term.

[real bison]

we dont need a buff to the class that having more than 2 of them on each team makes the game a campfest

[lost crane]

It will be op with that top speed, just transform it into a medium tank and nerf hp. Because a 3k dpm heavy tank with good turret armor and good hull armor against medium, with 53km/h top speed will be as good as a t10 like obj 260, and broken in t9.

[teal crystal]

who here even owns the 752?
I hate the intraclip and no special consumables to hatch snipe certain tanks, I only use it for events but in pubs no way, I rather use the Yoh with its 2 shot 1.67S intraclip

turn replies off jesus, I get it you guys mad you don't own a 752, I play it but not a lot, pretty boring to play compared to the yoh

[tough bear]

i think we found someone who cant play the 752 and has massive skill issue

[main tulip]

is this sarcasm?

[stuck acorn]

Massive skill issue

Yeah, 752 is definetly very weak and needs a buff...

Just nerf that damn crap into the ground and let all of those noobs playing it rot along with it.

I posses this tank myself, but it's so blatantly broken that i don't even play it anymore. It's disgusting

[torpid wraith]

Bro just admitted he might be suffering from a slight skill issue

[stuck acorn]

No, i won't turn off replies, neither i'm mad that i don't own 752, since i do. It is boring indeed, but just because it's broken to the point where all you do is hold W and shoot people from time to time.

That's the exact reason why this tank needs a nerf.

[teal crystal]

...why people so mad over a pixel tank? can't they just load Prammo or are they too stingy to use prammo or tactics?

[main tulip]

...

We don't think the tank is OP because we struggle to pen it; our willingness to load pramo means nothing

[nimble zodiac]

Because a practical 15% damage reduction is balanced on a two-shot autoloader heavy

[teal crystal]

what is it the burst? it's not an armor issue according to some of you, what is it then? the skill of the player behind it?
860 against a heavy that has about the same dpm can body it depending on how you play against it, taken down plenty of 752s solo playing either the Ritter or my other favorite the Yoh

just don't rush, ez

[unique scaffold]

foch dealing 250 damage with HE WITH EACH BULLET IN SHERIDAN'S ASS Nerf Sheridan's Spaced Ass Armor Here's the replay

[vernal rapids]

spaced armour, HE is useless

[nimble zodiac]

You do understand that nerfing the armor will not fix the problem, right?

0.1mm spaced armor will make HE splash. Just use AP unless you know what you're aiming for

Also mind your language

[main tulip]

It's a combination of everything - the alpha damage, the penetration, the unusually good gun handling and gun depression, and the overall package of the armor/mobility/size. It also hits the sweet spot in terms of intra-clip vs inter-clip reload - it doesn't sacrifice too much in either category, unlike the likes of the M-V-Yoh which has too long of a clip reload, and the M-IV-Yoh which has too long of an intra clip

[unique scaffold]

very stupid this self balancing of the rng, as i missed the back of the sheridan from 27 meters away i used he only gave 250 DAMAGE each bullet can explain why this. yes I hit all the bullets

[teal crystal]

so people facing it have more skill issue than the player behind the 752?

I don't play the 752, but after reading these replies saying it's broken and skill issue, it makes me want to play it more

[nimble zodiac]

You hit the spaced armor, just don’t

Or just use AP and shoot center mass. Don’t blame RNG for your gambling

[main tulip]

No??? The tank just has too much going for it and too little going against it, is that so hard to understand for you?

[main tulip]

If you're saying that out of spite, I really don't care if I see more 752's in the matchmaker. But the tank is blatantly overpowered - I'm just trying to get you to recognize that.

[stone drum]

Its blatantly overpowered, but I like winning without thinking.

[teal crystal]

ok good, but in all honesty if people struggle to face a heavy what are they doing to end up in a situation like that? rushed head first without spotting?

people still pushing after taking one out of two shells to the face?

[stone drum]

I think I could easily rebalance 752 to be a strong, unique, but no longer OP tank.

[main tulip]

honestly I don't really have any problems facing the 752, but it is the only high tier tank I have >70% WR in with >100 battles

It's just stupidly easy to do well in

[teal crystal]

no they just don't want to ruin confidence of future customers, current ones are already annoyed with how many balance changes were made to the free counterparts just to monetize the current collector tanks to be what they used to be such as obj 777 compared to the 113

[tall vault]

I agree with you.

[austere trout]

It's been a long time since DEVs nerfed camouflage and didn't give any improvements to compensate for multiple TDs. On the contrary, they removed the high alpha from many TDs, which is practically half that of WOT.

[stuck acorn]

It's not a problem with players, it's a problem with tank. It's a 0 brain tank.

Aiming? What's that? Who the hell needs that since you have Leo 1 levels of OTM dispersion and T10 TD levels of pen. This tank, quite literally discourages people from aiming, since the aim time is extremely long and you hit nearly everything regardless.

Besides that to top it all of you get a very decent armor that even though more than pennable if you know how to deal with it, is still very trollish and a bullcrap firepower that allows you to take out T8 tanks and T9 meds/TDs in 2 clips.

It's absolutely outrgaeous that even though they surely know how OP this thing is they decided to... buff it?

Everybody, every single player when they saw it appear in rebalance list expected it to get at least slightly nerfed. Everyone knows that paid tanks get preferential treatment, but this is just bullcrap.

Also here is a pic of stats if you still weren't convinced that this thing isn't fine in the current state. Besides frontline TDs that are ought to have higher relative WR by design of their sub-class, nothing gets even close to 752 in this regard

[teal crystal]

sounds like mad cuz bad, plus 752 on its own can't do much

[main tulip]

752 can carry its entire team on its own

[teal crystal]

not with that ammo capacity and burst, by the time you hunt down half the team it's over

[main tulip]

lol, imagine trying to use potential damage as an argument in blitz. The tank's ammo capacity is more than enough to kill at least 4 full health enemy tanks

Also, the tank has much more DPM with the 2-shot and overall better mobility than your beloved M-V-Y, so it's more capable of "hunting down" the enemies, if that's how you interpret carrying a game

[teal crystal]

still sounds like you guys are mad because people in 752 are performing better than other tanks

[fickle shoal]

yes, therefore it's overperforming and should receive a nerf, is it that hard to understand?

[main tulip]

why wouldn't we be upset that a tank is OP

[acoustic estuary]

Let’s just hope t55a gets the T62a treatment

[burnt venture]

And people somehow still thought this was going to be a good change 🗿

The 54E1 change was good, the Conq and IS-8 buff was ok, and the T55A and T-54 changes were decent. But everything else was either not enough changes, bad changes, or useless changes.

The funniest thing is that E75, Conq, T-54, IS-8, 752, 50TP were already all strong tier 9s to begin with. And they're the ones getting the buffs while the changes to the other weaker tanks weren't enough, or got nerfed.

Tanks which are rolling in their graves right now:

• M103's huge 5head still waiting for a mobility buff or gun buff
• AMX 50 120 looking for enough track traverse to stop being classified as an armored train
• ST-1 completely powercrept by the WZ-114 that has tier X HP and is now even faster while being lighter than a KV-1
• PTA begging for some gun depression (but somehow deserves to have 1000 less DPM than Leo 1)
• TNH VZ. 51 and WZ-111-1/4 trying to get more DPM than a Kpz 70 (meanwhile IS-8 and Conq can just have basically 3000)
• WZ-111G FT still reloading slower than a Borsig (does anybody even know this thing exists?)
• Tortoise wanting to commit die after Jagdtiger gets tungsten
• WZ-132A still on fire, literally and figuratively
• CS-59 giving a blank stare at its gear oil it can't even use because of it's terrible ground resistances
• WZ-120 about to quit the game after looking at T-55A armor buffs

Out of the 20 least played tanks at tier 9, this rebalance only covers TWO tech tree tanks: Vickers CR and the Foch.

• Vickers was only brought back to the state it should have been in after the alpha nerf
• Foch barely got buffed
  All the other unpopular and unplayed tech tree tanks, many of them on this list above, were completely ignored.

Meanwhile, SIX premium / collectors on that same list were rebalanced, with many significant buffs like HP, mobility, gun handling, or addition of special consumables.

That's all there needs to be said.

[void siren]

The 114 manages to completely powercreep the st-I while still being mid

The st-I desperately needs buffs

Oh and dpm

[main tulip]

didn't you say the ST-I was fine like a month ago

[nimble zodiac]

Hey now, let’s not give ST-I a false competitiveness that IS-4 won’t provide afterwards 😂

[stuck acorn]

Just as i and probably many people've said before, this rebalance is a joke.

WG advertised it as a whole tier rebalance, while what we got not only don't cover the most important tanks that it had to cover, but also those it does, mostly does wrong.

When i look at 50TP prot or 752 getting buffed and then Leo PTA getting nerfed in the same update, i really start to wonder if WG balance department really is sane

(the last one is a joke, i obviously knew they aren't)

[teal crystal]

[dapper zenith]

of course they weren't going to advertise nerfing the 752 on the heels of an event, some players maybe paid a lot of gold to score it, theyll show a tiny buff now but when time comes they'll bring it down a peg

[teal crystal]

and how many people own the 752 compared to the rest of the tanks they're being compared to?

Smaller sample size ≠ accurate data

[main tulip]

I fail to see how that's relevant

I'm not saying it's OP because of the data lmao
It clearly is just a powerhouse of a tank

Also relative winrate excludes the impact of how popular a tank is, or who's playing it

[main tulip]

Also the 752 has more active players than every tier 9 heavy other than the E75 and the KPZ, according to blitzstars, lmao. It's an extremely popular tank, because it's an easy to way to boost one's WR.

[teal crystal]

I don't think WR is a good way to decide that tanks get balanced though, battles, survivability and damage should be looked at instead

if all people are looking at is WR, based off of team composition how do we know as data collectors that they weren't carried or just survived more than normal players that are free to play that just yolo and skew the stats anyway?

[fickle shoal]

and they are, but a tank that is winning more then average is a very telltale sign it's a above standard vehicle

[main tulip]

well the 752 dominates in every metric, so have it how you will

[teal crystal]

relative, off of a small sample size? I'd argue against that being accurate as free tanks (which everyone should have since the game has been released in 2014) I enjoy tech tree tanks just as much as the collectors I have sitting just gathering dust, more battles played on tech tree tanks leads to a more accurate relative WR compared to expensive tanks only those that know what they are doing purchase and play with depending on the player god levels of skill which will absolutely skew statistics for comparison

Yes, there are trolls that purchase or get lucky with certain tanks and it goes to affect it specially if it's a new tank

[main tulip]

As I just stated, it's not a small sample size at all. In fact, it's disproportionately popular relative to how little it's been sold

[twin egret]

then there's the IS-8 just by simply existing

[main tulip]

Also why are we still arguing about the playerbase stats? Just look at the tank's characteristics. It has so much going for it, it's insane.

[thorny timber]

Even if wg did achieve that,some people would still start crying about how their poor financial decisions aren't supported by wg,even when 752 got the 50hp buff with almost no DPM change I saw someone in general crying about how unplayable it'll become

[stone drum]

IS-8 mobility nerf kinda sucked.

[heady yew]

Hello guys, I have a question. In update 10.6, will the T55A cease to be a premium tank?

[main tulip]

what about WZ-111 1-4

[fickle shoal]

yes, it will lose premium enrichment and will instead become a collector, you can sell it for 5k gold

[winter dagger]

752 was the greatest change I've ever seen.
Don't you love a 50 dpm nerf
50to prot was actually alright since the speed was a bit too good, but having a potent gun even more potent is a very large iq moment from blitz devs
TL-7-120 got absolutely nothing useful
Char-futur 4 got a useless mechanic slapped on it
Conq needed more of a turret armor adjustment rather than its changes (the gun is still ridiculous)
Vickers CR buff was guaranteed to be a reload buff because wargaming devs don't buff the tanks that have the same guns in the tech tree leading to a long period where a tank is useless
WZ-120 being ignored while the WZ-121 receiving 1 less deg of gun depression over the front (pbr version) will make people just never touch the tech tree
And the cent mk 7/1 getting a very useless turret rotation buff for minus 10 ap pen which is stupid since now you can't even play against heavies with the "turret armor"
Mauschen buff doing barely nothing as a tumor exists
I love this circus show it's absolutely funny.

[stone drum]

50tp prot was an awful change, they made an amazing tank more OP, but made it less unique.

[heady yew]

yay, thanks bro.

[winter dagger]

Honestly I'll take the gun buff because I love the tank for the accuracy, but having it play less like a heavium now (although you go 49 with oil still) will be more monotonous and boring, and I honestly wanted them to either not touch the tank OR just remove tungsten and give it some more hull turn speed and a hull armor Nerf to make it that skilled heavium style tank

[main tulip]

ST-I, M103, and AMX 50 120 still crying.

Also the Object 704 could use some changes, it's still incredibly weird that it has less DPM than the ISU with the same gun

[stone drum]

Well tbf, ISU-152 is just a gun with tracks, 704 is actually a decently well rounded tank

they should make the dispersion factors better though

[main tulip]

I mean once upon a time, the 704 had rather troll armor, but it hardly bounces anything nowadays. The mobility is only marginally better, as is the gun handling, and it loses top speed. The only thing making the 704 more of a "tank" tier for tier is the big HP buff it got a while back.

[fickle shoal]

the WZ's are gonna have both -5 now, and with the 121 getting pbr people are still probably still grind it, along with it being pretty good all-round tank

[winter dagger]

Just play a t62a, better in every way atp (apart from dpm)

[main tulip]

more like apart from alpha damage (?)

[fickle shoal]

the tungsten makes it better imo since it's really good for just ripping apart enemies, along with the laser aimtime, although the armor on the hull is 20m's less does make it a little more fragile

[winter dagger]

Oh yes, big damage gun goes brrr

[stone drum]

Still, dpm isnt the way to balance it.

I wouldn't trade any guns stats for more armour or mobility tbh.

[teal crystal]

[main tulip]

What I would do is:
Buffs:

• reload down to 12.0 seconds from 12.97, undercutting the ISU by 0.1, just so it looks like an improvement
• dispersion on the move/turret from 0.25 to 0.22
• top speed up to 40, from 37
• ground resistances so that p/w >= 12 on medium (currently 11.4)

Nerfs:

• HP down to 1650, from 1750

[stone drum]

Then the dpm would massively drop from tier IX to X?

[main tulip]

The 268 at least has the excuse of an increase in alpha damage, premium penetration, and gun soft stats, and by a pretty significant amount. The argument of "it's a more well rounded tank so it pays in DPM" is far more valid for the 704 -> 268 than it is for the ISU -> 704.

[fickle tinsel]

glad to hear the 752 got a 50 hp buff. as the worst t9 tank i think it deserved more but at least we're on the right track

[fickle shoal]

im very glad to hear the leopard 1 pta also got nerfed, that monster needed it! it was destroying the game... so glad it got nerfed, we're on the right track!

[burnt venture]

In a tank line known for its firepower, they remove the firepower

So Leo PTA has 10 more alpha than the M46 Patton, a bit more mobility, and some consumables. Then the advantages kind of stop there

[main tulip]

I'm so glad the TL-7-120 got super speed boost at the cost of engine power, this is exactly what the tank needed in order to become competitive!

[teal crystal]

is the answer to balancing tanks just slapping mechanics, super consumables and tungsten shells to everything?

[main tulip]

Eh, it'll still have significantly more pen even after the nerfs

[unique scaffold]

You're confusing two different tanks lol

[nimble zodiac]

Wooosh

[unique scaffold]

Hot take - ASTRO rex is the worst tier 8 premium med. 21 seconds clip reload with 3.5 inter clip, 1.8k dpm? That's the wort dpm in t7 and t8. It's mobility is horrible for what it's worth. Buffs - made clip reload 16-18 seconds, inter clip becomes 2.5 and increase top speed by 12 km/h. Add more power to weight ratio

[nimble zodiac]

Worst DPM by 1

Lupus has 1 more DPM than Rex
If Tankenstein uses standard shells only, then it has considerably less DPM than Rex

[unique scaffold]

Wdym by 1 .-.

Ain't no way 💀 I might just sell it from how bad it is. And how team dependant it is, I'm good in it just teams r doo doo

[nimble zodiac]

Most tanks are pretty team dependent. I suggest making good use of that stable autoloader and trolly armor. You’re made to burst damage quickly, then take cover as you reload

[clear shuttle]

the 21 second clip reload kills it imo, but i dont feel its the worst tier 8 premium mt

[thorny timber]

It can keep the intra since it's decently long for a med,the dispersion and DPM might need small tweaks

[unique scaffold]

21 seconds with 3.5 inter clip? Yeah no it's literally has the worst dpm in t8 and t7, it's slow with little to no armor, it kills from how easy it is to kill

[nimble zodiac]

You're also asking for an armored medium tank to go 64km/h

[hasty flicker]

M-103🇺🇸 should get a little turret armor buff imo, since even tier VIII meds can penetrate it very easily. Adding at least 30mm armor will improve the situation.

[unique scaffold]

Hot take - buff Grille 15 and is4

[nimble zodiac]

That's not a hot take

[cunning socket]

You mean nerf*

[potent oracle]

Why nerf is4?

[ember idol]

Why not

[potent oracle]

Is4 already got nerfed that it requires a buff now

[lost crane]

No way Astron Rex is the worst t8 premium mt, and astron rex is even better compare to mt only (and don’t forget fcm 50t exist)

[split seal]

tier 6 worst tank is problably a Tiger 131

[barren goblet]

59-16, Arl v39 ,vk3001p , nashorn fight for that title

[proud abyss]

N a h, I dont want another IS-4 meta

[ancient rampart]

Even when the IS-4 was good no one played it

[torpid wraith]

“Astron has no armour”, yeah you don’t know what your talking about

[vivid sentinel]

It’s armour isn’t super strong for a med but it’s good for a clipper

[velvet solar]

most t8 med with clips have 0 armour

[opaque summit]

by all meanings, but wasnt the 268 supposed to have a bit of armour? the pen on the upper right side of the turretstructure got penned by a 752 seeming standart ammo

[icy furnace]

they removed its armor in 10.3

[tall vault]

When they introduced PBR the tank somehow got increased armor but they have since changed it back to its original layout. You only have about 240mm of effective armor right there. The tank doesn’t have a lot of armor you shouldn’t rely on it. It’s not a Jageroo or Mino. I’d treat it more like a 183

[opaque summit]

so i basicaly spend 5.8 mil for something that does not what it was doing befor? wasnt it at least armored on the turretstructure befor its pbr, also the armour inspector tells me that on the point where the 752 penetrated is about 270 mm thicc.

[unique scaffold]

Just got this tank its good or trash?

[twin egret]

It's just a t-54 ltwt with a few gimmicks

[vivid sentinel]

the main gimmick being no gun depression

[tall vault]

I only see the one shot into the upper case by the comms hatch and that’s it. That’s like 240mm of effective. It’s like the 704. The 268 is a decent tank don’t get me wrong you can get bounces off the hull but you have to wiggle like no tomorrow. The pike nose design is GREAT until you angle…

[shell pier]

Can anyone help me with my playstyle of the Standard B? I have a short replay and I want someone to assess this

[ancient rampart]

268 lost some armor for a dispersion and alpha buff

[tall vault]

Do you have a Prog. 46? Playstyle is pretty similar to it.

[shell pier]

I do not have that, I don’t know what to do when you have the mobility but most ppl are still faster than u and yet u still have no armor. I don’t know a lot of like “camping” spots either so

[opaque summit]

then for me this tank is dead, for a fv4005 as example i know what do to as i know what to expect from it with no armour but an insanely enjoyable gun, but for the 268 i thought they left at least some armour on it

[ancient rampart]

The 268 is very good atm
It doesn't need armor when it has the best camo out of every tier 10 TD and a gun with 690 alpha

[hasty flicker]

Support heavies, attack the enemy from the flanks, use overpowered HE and be careful bcs your armor is weak.

[opaque summit]

with that i meant that it felt more enjoyable befor the gun buff and armour nerf, in my opinion, if anyone likes the tank then i dont have any problem at all, i just wont use it anymore because for me it is not enjoyable anymore,

[remote gate]

It became more accurate and hits harder in exchange of the armour in 10.3

[opaque summit]

got that info severe times now, personaly i wont use it anymore, feels weird somehow

[winter dagger]

T54 ltwt also had no gun depression lol

[vivid sentinel]

T54 can shoot down onto like two tanks with its gun depression, 432 is a pancake

[main tulip]

It does still have some armor on it, and the gun and mobility are better than ever before

[proud abyss]

Ngl I thought 752 and 50TP Prototyp would be done for in these balance changes
Instead the 752 is basically the same and the 50TP gets minor buffs and a 3km/h top speed nerf

[merry viper]

Hope they wont totally kill 752, otherwise k-91 would be unstoppable

[main tulip]

That's not how it works

[unique scaffold]

Clearly u don't play it, @vivid sentinel the tank has 0 armor, only thing going for it is the gun dep.
@cunning socket what are u on? Those tanks both suck lol. Not to good mobility, both has trashy guns, is4 can get penned on its upper plate by a t8 med which is insane, Grille gets two shotted and also has very bad gun handling

[thorny timber]

K-91 has other soft counters,752 is just flat out the best t9 heavy

[torpid wraith]

Dude I’ve played it and you’ve got troll armour on flat and decent while hull down the turret goes over 300mm in some places, You clearly haven’t played it or if so not very well

[vivid sentinel]

I’ve played it, it’s turret is rather strong, and compare it to Lorraine, pantera, prog 46, skoda t27?? It has great armour. Only one med at t8 has armour and that’s the defender mk1

[cunning socket]

I suggest you refer to r/woosh

[unique scaffold]

Yeah as I avrage 2k-3k per game, already got 4 aces within the first 10 games. I try to spot but due to how slow it is its hard to reposition. 1.8k dpm is horrible haven't u nothing? 21 seconds clip is as long as smv, but 3.5 sec inter clip is long. @vivid sentinel what are you on? There's so many meds that has high armor, wz, panther ll, tye turret has a lot of week spots, it's only the hun mantle and lower turret cheeks that has armor, the rest is fair game, skoda t27 has a 1.5 inter clip shot faster and higher dpm, lorra has speed and a fast inter clip firerate , prog, do I even have to say anything about it? Def mk is soils due to the high turret armor gun dep and overall dpm for a Clipper is good

[stone drum]

Grille gets two-shotted??? LMAO this isnt 2018, foch is long dead. Your not getting two shotted in grille, also the gun isnt trashy.

Astron is also way better than Lorraine, lol. Its a classic Clipper.

[main tulip]

Astron Rex has armor

[torpid wraith]

This muffin needs to stop, that’s 4 people he’s arguing against now, more alpha than prog and Skoda so yeah it’s gonna have a worse clipping time and it can out trade the defender mk1 and its half its size. Yeah it’s armour isn’t unpenable but it’s still good, also panther 2 good armour, nah just nah

[vivid sentinel]

I’m comparing it to clippers at the tier as comparing it to non clippers isn’t a fair comparison. It’s not a slow tank either… I’m not arguing that it’s the best t8 in the game but it’s by far not the weakest armoured or slowest medium lol

[unique scaffold]

Ok and, the most people who disagreed with 12. The tank isn't even close to being the best nor good. It's the most mid premium tank, it's the most basic prem, not op, but not good. Almost every Clipper can out damage or out play better than ASTRO rex. It's a 2nd maybe even 3rd line tank (3rd for camping, 2nd for behind heavys and meds) takes a lot of skill to play but not worth it. Either make it faster or lose some reload time

[opaque summit]

i personaly liked the one with more armour and less accuracy more, so i just sold it and gonna get me back my fv4005 soon, as somehow it feels more rewarding for me

[main tulip]

I mean even in its previous, more armored state, you could never play it like an E3 or a Minotauro, for example. All it would do was at best grant you an extra lucky bounce against a medium. But you do you, I guess

[opaque summit]

like told just seems to not fit for me anymore, so i have to play other tanks that fit me more, i never expected it to be an mino or e3, also a little side fact, i hate the mino for its armour but i love the e3 becaus the one has a tourett and the other one doesnt, i dont know why but i love to play tanks that dont wield a moveable touret with them

[remote gate]

Instead of selling the tank why not just grind credits through playing games?

Selling Tier 10 tech tree tanks never made sense to me.

[teal crystal]

when will Astron have a intraclip buff?

[main tulip]

I would rather buff the penetration or the clip reload by a bit

[opaque summit]

if i dont play a tank i dont have to keep it

[main tulip]

still don't undersand why you hate it so much when it went from having like 6/10 armor to 5/10 armor

[glass sphinx]

We need to buff the t57 badly tho

[clear shuttle]

we dont?

[glass sphinx]

Less dpm than a kv2, trash armor, trash speed, iffy penetration and iffy accuracy. Plus the fact that you need to stay out of cover for 9 secs to do any damage.

[nimble zodiac]

It has 44% more DPM than a usual KV-2, idk what you're on about

Are we talking about the T57 Heavy, a tier 10 USA heavy tank?

[clear shuttle]

what is brother on

[glass sphinx]

Oop mb I was thinking about the dpm of another tank. But u know what really needs nerfed? The ue57. Basically the best tank in the game

[turbid ice]

?????????

[glass sphinx]

lol jk. Its penetration is phenomenal for its rank tho

[clear shuttle]

so it dosent need a buff

[quaint steeple]

T34 needs help 185 armor and his front armor is still paper

[glass sphinx]

I didn’t say buff I said nerf but I’m fine with it 🙂

[drifting rapids]

how are you today

[quaint steeple]

T34 needs buff

[real bison]

its meant to go hulldown why are you showing your hull armour

[lunar sail]

bud its all about turret armor, lets say i dont play it, but i do play T30 which has the same hull/turret and i dont have troubles using it against tier VIII, IX and X

@main tulip im also talking about before getting PBR

[main tulip]

T30's armor has been buffed and it also has a slightly different model now with PBR

[quaint steeple]

welp T34 is harder

[winter dagger]

50tp prot was never as strong as the 752, it just fulfilled a niche that only one other tank did and that other tank did that on a subpar level, so when the 50tp prot excelled at that, it only felt like it, whereas the 752 is beyond broken against t8, and stupid good against t10

[main tulip]

If 752 had 300 more hitpoints it would be a fine tier 10

[stone drum]

What other tank?

[torpid wraith]

Regressor maybe?

[winter dagger]

(is-8 in my opinion, although there is the regressor which kinda just sucked cause 1. Price, and 2. Didn't have same mobility really)

[torpid wraith]

It’s mobility isn’t 50t prot levels but far better than the other heavies

[proud abyss]

Do I use more hp or more armor on VKK?

[remote sluice]

vk 72.01 k? if thats the tank ur talking abt, i suggest u use HP

[real bison]

armour imo, but do what you feel makes it better

[teal crystal]

I think just an intraclip buff would be enough, too much intraclip ruins the clip reload and dpm overall

[main tulip]

No, long intraclip makes it unique and balances out the higher alpha damage. Also 3.5s isn't even that long lmao. Not every autoloader needs to be a T57 Heavy or Yoh with regards to the clipping speed.

Actually forget what I said in my previous message, just give it full 105mm alpha (either 300 or 310)

@stuck acorn on tier 8s they are pretty universally 310 though, except for the kanjpz and CdA because those use tier 10 med guns

Well, and the Emil 1 with 320. But I would consider 310 to be "full alpha" for a tier 8 105mm

[stuck acorn]

or 320 or 330 or 340 or 350 or 360. There is no longer such a thing as full alpha for said caliber. Apha damage values are one huge dumpster fire

[winter dagger]

3.5 is too long, it makes the tank awkward and bad to play because you expose yourself for longer and thus prone to taking more than you can chew. A buff to 3 secs with 300 alpha would fix all of its issues and actually make it viable, but right now it's a pretty average tank in all regards

[void siren]

I mean that is true in real life…

(Also in blitz faster shell = more damage…?)

[main tulip]

There's a point where your intra-clip gets long enough that you should stop exposing yourself for the entire duration while you dump the clip, and instead fall back and re-poke with every shell, which is something that the ASTRON excels at due to its excellent on the move dispersion.

Every complaint like this comes from people who want to play every autoloader like a T57.

[ancient rampart]

Trying to turn the Astron into a tier Carro

[teal crystal]

2.75S is enough, it allows 1.5S faster dump and would buff the dpm indirectly

[main tulip]

wdym "2.75s is enough", as if he didn't suggest a longer number LMAO

[void siren]

med casually proceeds to outperform heavy clippers (which are balanced by how slow they move) and proceeds to hunt down and obliterate every injured opponent on the opposing team

[dapper zenith]

if you really mean premium time credits, every game win/lose (all vehicles) will have premium time boost, if you mean something else then that's different

[ancient rampart]

How well are you actually doing per battle

[nimble zodiac]

You should DM me screenshots of the detail tab of your battle

I said DMs, being direct messaging. This is not the channel for it. Show me what it shows after you tap the bar graph icon on the bottom

[ancient rampart]

You're not really doing the damage needed to get good credits

[lunar sail]

Wrong channel + Low damage + Low tier + Probably not using boosters + Get a premium tank

[waxen geode]

Will delete.

[winter dagger]

No it's just like how the carro plays at tier ten and is the only factor that holds it back from truly being meta

[main tulip]

there's nothing wrong with not being a meta tank

And tanks can still be incredibly strong even with a long clipping time. They just need to be redeemed in other areas, let's not act like having a 3.5s intraclip just fundamentally holds a tank back from ever being good

Like 3.5 is what the K-91 has, and that thing is regarded as a very strong tank. If the Astron Rex receives 300-310 alpha, it would be more or less the same tier for tier, with regards to clipping capacity.

[unique scaffold]

It use to be broken, now its balance

which more broken 113gft or badger

[lunar sail]

badger bruh

[winter dagger]

And there's nothing wrong with wanting a tank to be strong and actually feel strong either (the only tank to actually be ridiculous with a long intra clip is the obj 752, no other tank can do what this thing can)

[main tulip]

Well there's also the old Foch 155 with a 7 second intraclip, but the point is that it's perfectly viable. The game already has plenty of fast intraclip options like the bourrasque and T77, so I'd rather try a different approach for the Astron Rex.

[uneven turtle]

Astron Rex is a beautiful tank in all regards. While the intra clip is bad( compared to other clippers standards in t8 ), we can’t forget that it’s clipping capability is 870 in t8. That’s more than HALF HP FOR EVERY MT AND LT AND TD. And in a clipping 1v1 with any other LT MT. It wins cus all it needs is two clips while the others need 3 (we don’t talk about defender that one is flat out stronger.) also it’s size is a big factor. It’s as small as a Pz II J which is a t3. And it can hulldown. Bet many of the people who complained doesn’t know that. The clip is balanced. The term high risk high reward comes into effect when going for a clip in this tank

And yes it is painfully sluggish for its size but if it makes sense since it has considerable armor with little space for a big engine

[uneven turtle]

Obj is strong cus it has the armor to back it up when it’s in its intra clip reload. Astron is strong because it has 21km of reverse to back itself up into cover when it’s in its intra clip reload. You never play mts or lts in the open like most hts do. Obj has its own playstyle where it’s strong. Astron has its own playstyle where it’s strong

[unique scaffold]

Yet it's slower than most other clippers. Does 870 dmg clip, but u have to wait in total of 21.5 full clip, 3x 3.5 = 31.5 seconds to pop out 870 damage, ain't no one will sit in the open and allow u to clip, worst tank to 1v1 bc you'll get clapped after one clip

[lost crane]

And don’t forget that 290 is better than average on med side, most of tank have 225 to 280 so you can outrade most of your opponents. And keep in mind that autoloader doesn’t mean go out, empty your clip and take cover, you can hide your tank between each shoot. And if Astron Rex isn’t fast, it’s because it’s a small yet well armored mt with good hp.
And Astron Rex doesn’t deserve a buff, it perform actually very well
@uneven turtle you can out trade single shot with its higher alpha most mt

[uneven turtle]

And no one using auto loaders/reloaders expect people to sit in the open. So we switch around targets. Also I’m talking about a one on one against other clippers. Not single shots.

It’s slow but it’s small and fast enough to drive around rocks that are small yet big enough to hide against people chasing it while it’s reloading

And also, it’s 7 seconds to throw its clip out. Not 10.5. It doesn’t have 4 shots.

Here’s the math. Consider the ! As a bullet.

! 3.5 seconds ! 3.5 seconds !

[lost crane]

So with Astron Rex, in 36 sec you can destroy an ennemy mt/lt. The best t8 in dpm (Indien pz) needs only 26 sec, so you need to keep distance and out trade or just take cover after the first clip. The average 280 alpha medium need 37,5 sec, so, if you have your clip full, you can 1v1 half of your opponent in mt side (280+ alpha) in close range, and also out trade most of mt.
To conclude, it’s not the best tank to 1v1, but it still have good flexibility.

[unique scaffold]

The only downside of the astron rex is it has 21.8 seconds of reload

[uneven turtle]

It’s better to run vents. It’s penetration is already decent. It can penetrate almost any MT it faces. And it’s gold pen is already good enough for any Ht it faces but if you’re frontlining against hts then you’ve already done something wrong. Plus vents pretty much improves everything on the tank

[rich sinew]

The VK 100.01 need's an reload buf...it's curent reload sucks.

[nimble zodiac]

You’re trying to trade people, not out-DPM them

[unique scaffold]

Buff maus armour

[rich sinew]

Ik, but it had better dpm than the damn maus.
@nimble zodiac

[nimble zodiac]

And Maus got buffed, in a tier that VK 100 will never normally see

[rich sinew]

Well what I am trying to say is the VK100.01 needs to be rebuffed on the Dmp, becuase it's armor is about as thin as paper when faceing other heavys, (frontal & side armor.)

[uneven turtle]

It’s not? Try sidescraping

[rich sinew]

I do but it is still not any use espesualy when faceing same tank or other tanks with broken stats...

[teal crystal]

that's if it can land its shots and pen, most of the times you'll only pen 2/3

the armor is ok, mobility is a bit on the sluggish side for relocating, top speed is good

view range? who needs that this thing is a clipper

[winter dagger]

The batchat:

[teal crystal]

batchat has an intraclip boost, 331m of view range (higher with vents), camo on the move and best of all, spall liner for those overextending situation by accident

[opaque sandal]

Would you guys get Object 268/4 or Object 452k? 452 seems little overpriced right now

[barren pebble]

Bk next update will buff T9

[meager magnet]

Does the Blastorid(=battle pass tog2) farm more credits than the normal premium tog2?

[winter dagger]

And people say it's balanced, I wonder how

[unique scaffold]

268/4

[heavy fox]

I encountered with Object 268/4 on the battlefield just a while ago and in my opinion from it is, that it was formidable enough to get me checking the stats of it after the battle.

I was already low on the HP when I got myself in 1v1 with it and it finished me with two shots. But the thing why it got my attention was the fact that I couldn't get even a single shot thru from the frontal armor of it. Not one from the three shots with my Chieftain mk6.

[void siren]

that is because the chieftain has some of the worst prammo in the entire game for tier X heavies

[heavy fox]

Prammo?

[twin egret]

It's the same amount as the carro

[void siren]

premium ammo, the high pen ammo has a horrendous pen of 310

[heavy fox]

Yeah, I've noticed that, but I do like that tank. At time to time I encounter the pen. problem, but I don't have any complaints of the tank performance in generally

[hushed fox]

268/4 has weak cheeks. That’s what you have to look for, depending how he is turned. You should be able to pen them with the Chief, but it might be easier to see them at a distance.

[real bison]

cs + prammo is the simple solution

[keen wedge]

Can we all agree that the mle 54 ist just pure and utter crap nowadays? I mean look at it, I played so many battles in it and they just nerfed the living crap out of the M4. Stupid gun, no more alpha, armor is powercrept and I just got penned twice in both the turret ring and the gun mantlet. Also doesn't really have mobility and HP does not help when your turret sides are so weak that your giant sized head gets penned every time u look in any direction.
Honestly it would really really help to have just a gun that hits its shots but no.

[ancient rampart]

Classic WG changing tanks that DID NOT need changes and ending up ruining the tank making it even less common to come across

WG balance changes just makes rare tanks even rarer and good tanks just as common to come across but now they're stronger lol

[mystic gorge]

What the…

Ok to start off lemme say that the current version of the batchat is the strongest it’s ever been. It’s one of the best tier X’s currently available. What buff would you even give it? Because as it is rn, it will most likely experience some sort of nerf in the future.

P.S.
The tank is inherently difficult to play due to the fact it has no armor and it’s a light tank. If you’re struggling that badly in it, play an armored med to ease into med/light gameplay

[potent bear]

Depression is my main problem on in idk, i am just not good with it

[fickle shoal]

then play a soviet med

[mystic gorge]

I recommend the T-62A if ur struggling with med/light gameplay. It’s probs the best all rounder currently and has very good armor and a punchy gun with good dpm.

[winter dagger]

Stb for people who like hulldown rather than brawl

[potent bear]

Where can i sent clips? To show you something
#general-blitz-discussion

[mystic gorge]

Not really. I’d say when hulldown, the t62 is still better for most engagements. The other thing is, the Stb is ONLY gonna be good for him when he’s hulldown. If he finds himself out of position, I doubt he’s gonna do as well as he would in something like a T62A

[stone drum]

Because it is

@mystic gorge is just has standard alpha for a 105mm gun lol.
Regardless the somewhat low dpm + low hp lowers the skill floor enough that it balances out the skill ceiling.

[mystic gorge]

It’s really not. Pre 10.3 batchat was “balanced” even tho I’d say any clipper that reaches 3k dpm isn’t balanced. The current version of the batchat is borderline op. 330+ meter view range and 1050 clip alone is already broken when put together. Only thing that holds it back is the playerbase being unable to use it

[twin egret]

The AMX 13 90 is balanced

[honest wedge]

Pls wg nerf carro, i cant play any other meds its crazy. Prog became useless become randoms kids stole their mama credit card to buy an expensive af bundle and ruin matchmaking as if it wasnt autistic enough.

Just nerf interclip load time by 0.8 secs it would already be more enjoyable for every others t10s and t9s meds

[stone drum]

Username checks out.

[winter dagger]

It's not, a clipper does not need the highest view range, the only tank that should've had such a value was the Vickers light. I would take a shot and get spotted by that rather than getting shot twice by a BC and losing more HP while also getting spotted. It can only be balanced without having the highest view range, because the tank is already more potent than most t10 lights due to it's clip potential anyways

[twin egret]

it's balanced

[void siren]

B-c 25t should just have its view range stolen from it

I don’t want a light tank clipper with 1050 clip damage to spot, thank you very much! It’s a support damage dealer!

[winter dagger]

Carro is nowhere near strong, it's extremely skill based and only has a high damage potential. The floor to get there is higher than normal, so if you feel like it's too good, try to not trade shot for shot with it as it has one of the higher alpha's for t10 meds. I'd recommend something either nimble or heavily armored as the carro has the worst accuracy for tier 10 meds overall

[stone drum]

"I don't want a light tank to spot"

"It has a clip, so I want it to play like a td."

@remote gate vickers is barely a light tank, it's just a fake medium that lacks any legitimate place in this game.

[remote gate]

Give Vickers Light more view range since it doesnt have things going for it like all the other lights, you could say it has HESH going for it but I would personally say that isnt anything special since all the other lights have something going for them is the redeeming aspect on the tank itself while maintaining the light tank role.

i.e: BC 25t being an autoloader, Sheridan with a Massive alpha, T100 lt Tracer shell mechanic, WZ 132 1 Concealment Mechanic.

Personally I would like to see the Vickers Light have a little bit more DPM than what it currently has and more view range.

or keep the DPM the same but make all the other lights have 310m view range max while the Vickers get 320 or 325m view range max while also toning down the view range for meds in the process.

[twin egret]

might as well put the AMX 13 105 into the game, or the AMX 13 120 ig if that's a thing, while making the batchat a medium

[honest wedge]

Ye youre right… thnks

[stone drum]

On the AMX 13, the 105mm gun was already Literally destroying the tank everytime it fired. I doubt the tank would without the recoil of a 120mm gun, unless it was a recoilless rifle firing primarily HEAT, HESH, and HEP rounds.

@winter dagger agreed. It's about time heavy meta died.

[winter dagger]

"I don't want specifically a clipper to spot"
Light tanks all should have high view range, not just a singular light tank, no less a clipper
@twin egret AMX 13 105 is the WOT pc French light btw

[remote gate]

Then reduce the armour even more to the mantlet while adding more view range to the tank so it could finally be a real light with the better spotting capabilities while also being more fragile.

[twin egret]

yes, I know

[winter dagger]

Heavy tank meta may be boring, but I'd love to see meds and lights actually have an impact. Although BC was the only light really seen in top tier comp gameplay, I'd love the day something like a leo 1 or a AMX 30b be used instead of boring is-7s or 60tps

[stone drum]

Fr

[twin egret]

give them 4k dpm

[main tulip]

give Leo 1 390 alpha with an appropriate longer reload

[stone drum]

WG: how does 3.1k dpm with rammer sound?

[ancient rampart]

Skill issue

[mystic gorge]

Depending on the map, meds are used but yeah o agree I’d like a med dominant meta back. Although I doubt wargaming will head in that direction anytime soon

[main tulip]

how about a full TD meta

[stone drum]

*derp hulldown td

[winter dagger]

Turtle meta

[mystic gorge]

Why? 360 and 4k dpm isn’t enough for u?

[teal crystal]

lmao that thing would destroy T10 with its scouting ability and smaller profile than the BC

[remote gate]

exactly why I want it too

[main tulip]

360 isn't different enough from 350. It's about the playstyle/character and not about the strength.

@stone drum So that it's different in the opposite direction, aka from the 120mm

[stone drum]

I don't understand why 390 over 400, they are fundamentally the same

[uneven turtle]

I need closure. 390 should be rounded up to 400!!1!

[clear shuttle]

a few 122mm on pc have 390 alpha

[mystic gorge]

360 is a major difference from 350 lol. High rolls hit consistently above 400 and even low rolls never dip below 300. And 4k dpm with 360 is insane. Way better than if it were 350 and 4k dpm. 390 with an increased reload would detract from its ability to perma track opponents and take away from its lethality

[remote gate]

i want the leo to have better HE alpha

[spring hound]

Yea

[main tulip]

Lol you can't be serious, +-10 alpha is about as miniscule of a difference as you can get. And yes, I want the Leo 1 to be worse at perma tracking but better in other areas, such as its HE as fizzy mentioned

[mystic gorge]

+-10 alpha is a big difference for any tank. Especially for meds. So I cannot agree with u in regard to it being minuscule. Also with a higher alpha like 390 and a longer reload, ur probs gonna lose out on dmg considering u won’t be able to send a follow up shot nearly as fast as it currently is.

[main tulip]

Well I'd like to think that you're in the minority on that one, considering that two people above have suggested that "390 alpha is basically the same as 400." (maybe jokingly though?) And I'm aware of the potential tradeoffs of a higher alpha, longer reload build for the Leo - that's just the character the tank has in my own vision for the game.

[mystic gorge]

Well u can satisfy your vision by getting a 121 🤷🏻‍♂️

If we buff the leopard anymore I think we’re approaching toxic territory. That’s not to say that what u want for the tank will be considered a buff but I don’t think it would help the tank as much as u think.

[winter dagger]

Charlemagne:

[clear shuttle]

i forgot about that

[main tulip]

For someone who thinks 350 vs 360 is a "major difference," then surely you would be willing to agree that a Leo 1 with 390 alpha would be pretty significantly different from a 121 with 420 alpha + tungsten.

[round horizon]

whats this, people asking for another leo 1 buff?

[mystic gorge]

I’m just saying for someone who’s craving for a high alpha longer reload medium, we already have it in the form of the 121. So I’m confused as to why ur bringing up me saying 350 vs 360.

Sorry wargaming doesn’t see the same vision u do but chances of them buffing the alpha anymore is close to 0% probability. Thats not to say they won’t buff the leo but it won’t be the alpha

[winter dagger]

Can't blame you, it's a very irrelevant t8 heavy 🤣

[twin egret]

Carro 45t:

[teal crystal]

I have that tank

[winter dagger]

Explode

[acoustic estuary]

Oi guys, yall think that t55a will have the same selling price of other collectors next update with the balance?

[clear shuttle]

yes

[acoustic estuary]

Great, i love t55a but ehh. It got good changes. I MIGHT keep it cause of Arnimania camo.

[winter dagger]

Sell it the t54 is free and the same, it's just a free 5k gold bruh

[fickle shoal]

it's ufp nerf is tragic 😭

[stone drum]

Right now it sells for 7.5k gold, but I expect that to be reduced to 5k gold, or not implemented at all.

[teal crystal]

the HESH is fun to use, expensive to run

[waxen geode]

Ok so what tactics do you guys use on medium tanks that don't have depression on them like the Panther 🤢🤢🤢 or what I'm currently using, the Sherman firefly 🤮🤮🤮🤮. Why would I use the Firefly? I like history. There's no depression and going 1V1 I get done in in 4 shots. Maybe more. Speed doesn't help in this guy too.

[still sphinx]

Brawl (if you're in tier 6 or 7 match) for panther and sniper for sherman firefly

[acoustic estuary]

Weird, t10 sell for 7.5k not 9

[teal crystal]

10 gold, can't have too much profit like selling the Sheridan Missile 😂

[stone drum]

[teal crystal]

[wispy leaf]

support and spot

[winter dagger]

Learn about maps and what positions there are to create artificial gun depression. In the case of the panther's poor gun depression, on Normandy Middle point around far left of B cap you can create artificial gun depression by often angling your against the hill, or against a slope to create artificial gun depression. Top players playing Soviet meds love to do this. And for lightly armored tanks, just don't even try sometimes as it's better to see if you can put the enemy in a crossfire where you and your team shoot them from more than one Angle. If you really want to, flank even if the tank you're playing can retreat quick enough if the enemy turns around

[barren pebble]

L2P simply

[solid fern]

Buff IS-7

[uneven turtle]

Unpopular opinion for noobs:
Get better with a beginner friendly tank

[unique scaffold]

I agree with the statement above

[prisma jetty]

What is your suggested buff for the IS-7?

[lone sandal]

increase its base dpm by 1

[clear shuttle]

make it go 60kph base
replace improved control with a turbo which makes it go +15 forwards and +10 backwards and increase overall engine power
increase all frontal armour by 50mm and increase everywhere else by 30mm
give it gear oil provisions
decrease dispersion by .070 and decrease aim time by 3 seconds
decrease reload by 2 seconds

[nimble zodiac]

Ah yes, IS-7 boutta have -69.629 dispersion

[remote sluice]

base traverse increased to 90 deg
alpha increased to 960
super speed boost added
base engine power increased to 3000 h.p
terrain crossing significantly improved

[clear shuttle]

not powerful enough

[dim pecan]

I think a buff of the AMX elc bis would be a good idea

[ember rain]

Also buff pen to 1000mm and give it 1000 dmg alpha

[autumn zodiac]

Firefly is just bad

Sorry

[quartz snow]

as a balancing factor, view range will be decreased by 10 meters and a single HE splash on any part of a tank (even the tracks) is a guaranteed ammorack

[vestal basalt]

Conqueror buff is really nice ngl

[thorny timber]

As if it wasn't decent enough already lmao

[remote gate]

because people cant do well with it, literally the same logic as the Leopard 1 just keep getting buffs because people cant do well in it

[thorny timber]

Only the people who perform actually good in it become more influential

[remote sluice]

fr, im fine w the current conq, but any buffs are great

[lone sandal]

meanwhile 113gft can't even pen itself now

[winter dagger]

On flat ground it can I mean, same argument to be had with an E3, they can't pen the other without being on flat grounds

[mystic gorge]

Everyone likes to focus on the is4 when they talked about tanks that were ruined in 10.3 but I’d like to bring up how the 113 lost its appeal completely. They absolutely butchered that thing

[clear shuttle]

umm aktually you can HE the cupola ☝️🤓

[hidden gorge]

HI guys I just got object 260 should I sell and to smt else with the gold

[stuck acorn]

no

[winter dagger]

Most heavies:

[mystic gorge]

Armor that it didn’t need? U mean the extra pen it didn’t need? All for what, to nerf the characteristic that made the 113 the 113? Sorry but the extra armor doesn’t even really help it. If u were hulldown pre 10.3, u were still not getting penned. Also sidescraping is ur defense for the tank? Except most tier X’s can just yolo pen the upper plate when ur in a sidescrape. The tank can’t brawl for the life of it so ur limited to hulldown gameplay which is not saying much considering its a struggle to keep it in a good hulldown position due to
A. The hull is incredibly long. Makes peaking sideways hulldown not viable

B. No gun depression so most ridgelines u can’t even work. So you’re limited to very gradual slopes and hulldown town engagements

Overall there’s not really a reason to play it let’s be real. U can play an IS7/777 and do the same job and then some

[marsh grail]

Guys what do you recommend on the T30 . V stabs . Or refined gun .

[void siren]

Vstabs

[marsh grail]

@void siren . Thank you 👍

[humble depot]

Yup. I’ve rarely played it since then because it’s just not interesting anymore. It used to be the light at the end of a shoddily-made branch of heavies, and now it’s just kind of meh.

[inland elbow]

I disagree, while it's not a good fist to cuffs medium. It's an amazing sniping/second line support medium, if I'm not mistaken it's got the best pen & dpm of any tier 6 tech tree medium (sure there are some that got better alpha, but they got horrid dpm cause of it)

[winter dagger]

It's very weird to play and honestly a Cromwell will serve you better

[quaint steeple]

T34 is the worst 8 tier heavy ngl

[barren goblet]

There is always is3 to make any t8 feel good

[quaint steeple]

#fix T34

[ancient rampart]

T34 > IS-5

T34 has the highest pen out of all tier 8 heavies
and it's extremely potent hull down
the hull armor is just non existent and the aim time is a bit atrocious

[quaint steeple]

112 glacial>t34

T34 is a paper tank

[ancient rampart]

That's why you use it's 10 degrees of gun depression and hull down

[stone drum]

Give it decent handling & aimtime and it would be back ontop

.2/.2/.12 handling would be nice imo.

[acoustic estuary]

IS5 is cheap, like literally.

[zenith matrix]

Guys adding an useless thing

[quaint steeple]

paper

[nimble zodiac]

The turret is not paper

@fickle shoal That’s funny, because other “not paper” tanks can get HE spammed

[quaint steeple]

im not talking about turret

[nimble zodiac]

Well don’t ignore T34’s strengths. If a T34 had a strong upper plate, then it would be overperforming

[stone drum]

Lol, no. The gun just isnt good enough for blitz, overkill pen at the price of handling & dpm.

Unless your planning on doing nothing but camping, that bloom + aimtime will get you

[nimble zodiac]

Handling mitigated by strong hulldown position

Has more DPM than 53TP

[ancient rampart]

It's upper plate should be as strong as the T29's
So it no longer gets easily farmed by tier 7s and lights
Especially considering they're using the same exact hull

[nimble zodiac]

That’s a way to say T29 is OP

[winter dagger]

Cause it is (best t7 heavy tech tree at least)

[ancient rampart]

Idk the T29's hull isn't that op
180-200mm effective at tier 7 isn't overwhelming
T29 relies heavily on hulldown it can just take better positions than the T34 due the better tier for tier upper plate

The T29 is definitely very strong though

I just wish the T34 could better play maps where you can't utilize the full 10 degrees of gun depression

[main tulip]

the DPM is on par with other 400 alpha guns tbf

[lone sandal]

revert 113 changes

[jade ruin]

I won’t argue with this. I think it should have the 420 alpha back. It made it special but it still is a rather strong tank with the DPM. I like the turret armor improvements.

[lone sandal]

of course it's still strong but it's much less enjoyable

[tidal maple]

how isnt this a mastery badge, its a tier 2 tank 💀

[nimble zodiac]

I hope you understand that this doesn't belong in here or blitz-memes

[winter dagger]

You may be awakened but I am TheGodAwakened

[winter mason]

Can we play caliban in rating?

[clear shuttle]

no

[winter dagger]

Play sp1c

[unique scaffold]

what tank in ur opinion is extremely OP and needs a nerf?

[nimble zodiac]

Smasher is a prime example

[uneven turtle]

Change it to Annilator

[main tulip]

AMX 50 120 and Foch 155

[unique scaffold]

🫤

[dry perch]

Restore kv 2 former he pen then the game will be very very very very balanced(real information)

[nimble zodiac]

Annihilator isn’t as silly. Smasher can lob HE and still make great damage

[uneven turtle]

It has 600 alpha in t7 with a lot of gun dep and a turret that’s frontally mounted

[hasty flicker]

ST-1, T28, STA-1, KV-4 🤓

[unique scaffold]

....

[proud abyss]

Stb-1, not op but I want it nerfed as its so annoying

[nimble zodiac]

You have to trust RNG to make that entire 630

[uneven turtle]

Don’t forget it can temporarily chase down mts

[fierce loom]

What is RNG ?

[nimble zodiac]

Random Number Generator

It basically determines where your shots land

[fierce loom]

OK

[hearty bear]

I got lucky, got a mystery container 2, got a cert for a tank, and a Obj 452k landed in my garage

[obsidian glen]

ur just bad xd

[barren goblet]

But anni always goes against anni. That's bad for farming since your team is also getting farmed (at least in t7 games). Smasher farms in peace and is better against t8. Anni is better tank but matchmaking restriction makes it worse .

[humble depot]

Random number generation affects more than just where your shots land.

[lone sandal]

the irony

[uneven turtle]

Ok let’s level it out. A normal game where anni isn’t mirrored like smasher, it’s just OP

[barren goblet]

Both are mega OP. If anni didnt have matchmaking penalty it would be better is what i am saying, because of it smasher is easier to play since instead of OP tank you get tech tree enemy

[leaden iron]

Platoon/EU/ T10, T8 or T7

[inner frost]

I just asked for fun: when will KV-2 get improved gunpowder items?

[real bison]

no

[inner frost]

Sure ?

[remote gate]

long story short

never

[inner frost]

It is a nightmare for those who play light tanks LOL

I think it never and I say :"I just asked for fun". If it becomes a reality, it will be very fun Hehe boi

[inland gust]

How will the T 54 armor be changed?

[hasty flicker]

+12mm turret armor
-8mm hull armor

[potent bear]

Bt-7-Art please a buff this tank because it has long bullet travel, long reload, bad penetration
And its making bad damage too, (it also has no armor) the damage is 120 and its probably meant to be a durp gun so I am for a 280 damage buff for AP and 350 HE, and please better penetration

[hasty flicker]

76mm gun doesn't supposed to make such massive damage. So 120 damage is ok.

[stuck acorn]

on AP? sure, but on HE it should be 200, just as it used to be. It was nerfed for absolutely no reason some time ago

[potent bear]

Then there should be better aim on it, better pen and less reload + faster bullet travel

[humble depot]

Guys, nobody plays Tier III. It doesn’t matter.

[stuck acorn]

It does matter, just like any other tier.

Why do you think nobody plays tier 3? Because it was ruined by WG few years ago. Back in the day it was quite a popular place to go down to and have a bit of fun after getting tired of higher tiers.

Bringing low tiers back to life is in the best interest of all players, even if they themselves won't play it anyway.

Ofc changing 1 tank won't do anything about that, but that's another story, it's still a step in right direction

[unique scaffold]

When it first came out it was op. Now it's balnce

[keen dew]

then dont play it

[unique scaffold]

Firstly, don't spam low tiers 🤭 secondly, it use to be insanely op now its balanced. 3rdly, there's hundreds of different tanks u can play, especially on how ur playing below t5? Like comon, that's where new players come or bot mm. Do some t10

[nimble zodiac]

You already had first and second. You should commit to third 😭

[ornate warren]

Agreed, I really miss those days especially the time every tank felt unique even though they didnt have anything that much of unique

[dapper zenith]

@stuck acorn they didn't ruin tier 3, they just put a stop to experienced players going down and running all over newer players, it was turning people off the game before they could enjoy it.

[winter dagger]

It also made newer players hit t10 at 2k battles, real fun too

[dapper zenith]

@winter dagger not good in our eyes but more people playing in the big picture

[wicked quest]

I gotta say it’s funny how successful that was people everywhere expose theirselves wanting to seal club again

[potent bear]

I just want to improve the winrate with it, but how should i do it if it can't even pen a tier 2 with AP

[ember idol]

Then it's about time you move on from it

[patent helm]

the problem is that lower tiers arent fun anymore, experienced players and veterans have no reason to play it
with the seperate matchmaking queue the sealclubbing issue is mitigated, so there isnt really a reason to not play lower tiers apart from the long waiting times and the boring gameplay
nowadays you have like 4 or 3 playable tiers unlike the 7 you had pre 5.5

[unique scaffold]

Bro leo pt a is broken

[near geyser]

vc

[humble depot]

Far from it, and it’s about be nerfed into the ground anyways

[thorny timber]

can we at least add an actual gimmick to the HESH gun of the 4202 and maybe even make the HEAT gun more competitive?

[pearl rock]

Should T26E4 SUPER PERSHING get some improvement just a question for players who use T26E4?

[humble depot]

The HESH alone is a gimmick, and we don’t need useless new mechanics.

[thorny timber]

And about the HEAT gun? DPM is not as good as the other meds to make much of influence

[stone drum]

I think he means moreso a niche or a feature rather than a literal new mechanic.

Possibly like say .288 base dispersion.

[fickle tinsel]

the super Pershing remains stupidly obnoxious to deal with but it could probably use a buff

[humble depot]

I agree that the HEAT gun on the 4202 needs a buff, because the Brits do deserve some proper Prammo.

[unique scaffold]

Then quite playing it

@unique scaffold leo pta isn't broken what so ever. No one plays it, easy to counter. It's not even close to broken lol

[waxen garnet]

hello friends i'm new who wants to play?

[stone drum]

PTA is broken, but in a literal way.

[barren goblet]

Fortunately,wargaming is amazing and will balance it next update. We are so fortunate.

[stuck acorn]

Yeah as if we don't already have a special matchmaking rule that already separates new players from experienced ones... it would be very nice to have such a thing, wouldn't it?

And we completly don't have a full on bot MM for first 100-200 battles on each account either, that separates them not only from experienced players, but any players in general lol

[torpid wraith]

And make it near impossible to get into a match as an experienced player at low tiers, can’t improve the tanks win rate now if you can barely get matches or even just grind a new nation

[stuck acorn]

You know why low tiers are the way they are? It's because WG doesn't want you to play low tiers.

They want you to go play high tiers, research new things, loose credits to buy those things and buy premiums to make the grind easier. They also want to motivate you to buy high tier premiums since low tier tanks are extremely cheap.

Low tiers are just bad for the game from business perspective and that's why WG just simply couldn't care less about them and won't fix them unless absolutely necessary.

People having fun in low tiers makes them more likely to just simply not care about whole grind in the game which is the exact thing that WG monetizes in the game

@final wigeon That statement is just so dumb.

Sorry man, but maybe, just maybe if a part of the game is so trash and unplayable that nearly all players by themselves just want to skip it, means there is a problem with that part of the game

Statements as such just make people ignore very important issue in current state of the game

WG doesn't want you to play low tiers and they are very happy to give you any tools necessary to just forget about them and move up higher. That's the exact reason they removed all of those tanks in 5.5 and we didn't see any new low tier tanks since 5.5 besides T70/57 or however it was called

[final wigeon]

Don't touch low tier, grind clan missions and free xp to tier 6 for each new line

[blazing jackal]

they defenetely should buff caliban, it has a longer gun and has the same (probably worse) accuracy than a KV2, dmg is meh but, they should aswell make it a bit faster and with a little bit more armor, its literally a slow medium with higher alpha dmg

[real bison]

once again this channel wishes to cry about a meme tank

[lost crane]

How 860 alpha is meh ? it’s ~1/2 of any heavy tank in t8 and 3/4 of td/mt and lt.

@blazing jackal Same, how 2,6k dpm with calibrated shell is meh ?
Please, tell me you use hesh

[blazing jackal]

i ment dpm sorry

[stuck acorn]

if anything should ever be buffed on caliban, it's definetly not the gun. Gun is fine as it is, i see mobility as a much bigger issue

[patent helm]

fixing low tiers should be in everyones interest as it would improve the gameplay in mid/Hightiers aswell
the overall gameplay would be a lot more enjoyable and wg wouldnt be forced to introduce noob friendly Tanks at high tiers

[tidal maple]

chat i sold 2 tier x tanks in exchange for 15k gold for the auctions, nd in the auctions menu it's still showing i have 108 gold sum1 help

[remote gate]

This is tank balance channel, this question is irrelevant to the channel.

It takes about an hour or two to update the gold you have on the auctions.

[unique scaffold]

No it shouldn't be lol, nonsense u speak of

[stuck acorn]

Of course it should, but nobody seems to care.

WG killed low tiers and since nobody plays them now, nobody bothers to ask them to fix them. Not to mention that huge chunk of current playerbase doesn't even remember old low tiers. That's most likely exactly how WG wanted it to be.

5.5 was extremely controversial at the time, but it seems like hardly anybody remembers about it now. It's been over 5 years since then after all

[acoustic estuary]

Actually 🤓, alot of people didn’t like 5.5 and would like those low tier back in the tree.

[unique scaffold]

This tank needs more armor! Past few battles its just butter! Make the centurion 7/1 a bit of a beast!

[patent helm]

i like tier x as much as anyone else here (its my most played tier) but it does get repetitive at some point.
You have your danger triangles in the form of the fv183 and jagde100, your big alpha heavies or the is7, sheridans and or usually your Autoloader meds. After some battles you know where these are gonna hang out on the map and what theyre capable of.
Lower tiers have different view Ranges which not only allow for different gameplay but also different maps and you get a lot of goofy pre war tanks that arent really good designs unlike the predominant hulldown meta at high tier.
@stuck acorn
yeah i remember the outrage was so bad they Released the update later, its sad to see it more mentioned as an anecdote now. I remember when the Ke Ni was given away for free and you could actually play tier 3 for a couple days, i only played like 5 battles in the tank tho so i guess im part of the Problem lol

Also the Cent7/1 is such a gem the turret works well if you use your gundep @unique scaffold

[waxen geode]

Are the tier 9 and 10 Leopards good? I'm all right with medium tanks. My favorites are the Pershing and the Cromwell.

[unique scaffold]

i havent played wotb since early 2022, is the at-2 still overpowered?

[ember idol]

Still are but requires a high skill ceiling to make them work, just an oversized light tank

@unique scaffold AT-2 is still is a fat slob of brick, nothing changed

[unique scaffold]

ok thanks when i create a new account im heading straight for the british tech tree

[waxen geode]

Thank you! I am not skilled.

[patent helm]

well the Tier 9 leo is getting nerfed, the tier 10 is pretty good but more for experienced Players
but you could try the ru251
with the state tier 8 is in right now, you dont need to be that skilled to do well
it also has good he

[unique scaffold]

top dpm tanks of tier 10, no heavies just meds and TDs

[lone sandal]

the tier 10 is definitely more than pretty good when it's the 3rd best med rn
and where can i find the pta nerf details

[patent helm]

https://guidesblitz.com/update-10-6-tier-ix-changes/

@unique scaffold ur point being?

[lone sandal]

WHY is pta getting a harder nerf than 752 WHAT

[unique scaffold]

most noob friendly tech tree tanks of tier 10 @patent helm im just putting these here bc idk ;3

[patent helm]

wow the batchat? is it because of the spall liner now? i dont have it but i thought it would take some skill to play

[proud abyss]

Pta is literally the worst tier 9 med rn

[unique scaffold]

agree, obj752 needs to lose armor or damage per shot, its insanely power crept having the ability to slaughter up tier

[lone sandal]

increase intraclip to 5s 😈😈

[patent helm]

E50M and Leopard 1 bros in shambles rn
atleast the stb1 grind is enjoyable

[proud abyss]

Type 61 💀
Also leo 1 grind is not that painful, only the tier 9, SP 1C and Ru 251 are amazing and fun tanks

[lone sandal]

WHY is pta getting a dpm nerf

[waxen geode]

Thank you guys. I think I'm gonna stay away from the Leopards. Too bad, im not a good player. I only like realistic German tanks.

[patent helm]

type got a buffed some time ago
but yeah i was Just joking the ru is quite fun
@waxen geode i mean you can try the heavy line to the e100 its very beginner friendly nowadays

[waxen geode]

That E 50 Aus tier 10 looks good for a noob like me.

[patent helm]

noob friendly or not its still a tier x med, just be aware of that

[naive lintel]

Make the 60tp ammorack stronger. i played 5 battles in a row and was nearly full health ammoracked 3 times.

[unique scaffold]

Sell your organs

[ancient rampart]

Your fault for showing your side armor

[naive lintel]

yea stop yapping i was in a facehug

[clear shuttle]

just dont get ammo racked or get it damaged
i used to play it all the time and rarely did i get it damaged or blown up

[lone sandal]

try to like not poke flat side sideways in a heavy

[patent helm]

#dontbuy60tp

[cold socket]

Сиске

[unique scaffold]

He's speaking vodka

[uneven turtle]

Guys this may be the last time y’all let me cook but, here’s my suggestion for type 71. Give it a researchable track module called hydro pneumatic suspension blah blah blah. Increases travers by 4-5 degrees and gun dep +1 but researching this module makes the buyable equipment switch to camo or spotting range. Switching back to the old track makes the gun dep/improved track equipment available again.

My reasoning. This makes is more of a all round ht without giving it dumb traverse like e100 but removes its ability to become a specialist in hulldown or brawling other hts

thoughts?

Took me a long time for me to think about a change to type 71 without making it tilt in high mobility idk how I haven’t thought about this earlier

[remote oriole]

… lowkey not as bad as I expected. I find it agreeable

[barren goblet]

Why would you nerf mediocre tier 10?

[clear shuttle]

on god

[stone drum]

Honestly slightly higher alpha on the caliban would make it so much better, if they only just gave it 600 standard alpha and/or a regular HE shell.

[stone drum]

The fact that you think bat chat is a noob friendly tank is hilarious and honestly shows how little you know or play the game. Batchat is an extremely capable tank, yes. However it is still easily the hardest light tank to play at tier X after arguably the WZ-132-1. Absolutely moreso than T-100lt, sheridan, or vickers.

[visual bane]

type 61 is great

[unique scaffold]

i thin that mause needs to have better frontal turret armor

[patent helm]

turret just got buffed

[remote gate]

Maus? No. Mauschen? Yes.

[unique scaffold]

Ok so some tanks needs to be nerfed, Let me give you an example.

TIGER-2 has crazy front armor and when i say " crazy " you might think you can still shoot it; But no you can't
It's armors is crazy unbalanced as you have no way of piercing it unless you shoot from sides or back.
Also in real life i checked tiger 2's armor, It's mostly on turret and side hulls and back hull, not the front.

To fix it, i prefer nerfing tiger 2's armor and reducing ammo cooldown.

[patent helm]

mb i mixed up 10.3 with 9.1, i cant believe that was over a year ago wow how time flies

[ember idol]

Just use anything with ~260mm pen and it'll cut right through

[cinder shard]

I'd say it's good as it is. The amor is easy to pen for higher Tiers or equal tier tanks if you load a bit of prammo. Even in case you can't pen it fronatly, it's still a heavy and can be quiet easy circled and/or flanked.
At the end of the day, most heavys are supposed to tank and need some amor/hp.

[unique scaffold]

Okay but imagine your vindicator ultramarines or lycan, Your ammo is only 200MM, if tiger is full facing you theres nothing you can really do.

[lost crane]

Even 240 are enough to turret cheeks
@loarda.lorda the mg port in the hull is a weak point

[torpid wraith]

Yeah the only thing strong about the tiger 2 armour is the lower plate

[ancient rampart]

The Tiger II has good armor yes but I don’t think it should be nerfed

The Tiger II is entirely fine how it is

[cinder shard]

Those tanks are a tier lower and need to be played accordingly. You shouldn't be able just to go up against a higher tier heavy and expect to win a frontal encounter.
If the amor is nerfed, the Tiger II will struggle against equal tier tanks, let alone T9s.

Also, the amor has weakpoints. Frontally, you can pen the Mg-port in the hull and cupola on top with ~170mm and ~130mm pen.

[patent helm]

i wouldnt say it struggles, you just cant press w and expect it to work

[lost crane]

Maus need a nerf of armour, I can’t pen it frontally with my stock E50

@stone drum yes, I will not expect a lycan to pen frontally a tiger II, maybe use he to do some splash damage, but I will not expect a tank with trash accuracy to pen easily an one higher tier heavy tank

[stone drum]

Lycan isn't even remotely accurate enough to hit that even if it did it would still get melted.

@winter dagger true, but even the cupola is extremely unlikely be do anything. Honestly I would just load He & aim either aim at the tracks or the thinnest armour I can reliably hit.

[winter dagger]

It has a better chance to hit the cupola then the port of all things

[modest spire]

The Caliban is in desperate need of a buff. Aiming time is bad. Firing at a distance is bad. Dispersion is bad. Reloading is bad. WG please fix

[unique scaffold]

I don't think we need another Smasher, this time on Tier 8.

[stone drum]

What do you want to change?

[lost crane]

I think caliban deserve 35km/h max top speed, and a standard he with ~90 mm pen and 900/1000 dmg but with worst mobility and 1650 hp

[stone drum]

Remember premiums don't get rebalanced.

Regardless that sounds like an overall nerf to an already poorly performing tank
-increasing top speed but reducing mobility is redundant
-adding a normal he round with only 40 more damage, but 80mm less penetration.
-50 hp nerf ontop?

[lost crane]

Yes, I’m not good at buffing tank 😅
So 1k dmg he, 35km/h max without mobility nerf and maybe trade 50hp for some slight accuracy buff

[stone drum]

I would just increase the alpha to 600/900 and decrease the dispersion on turret traverse factor to .16

[gritty meteor]

THERE IS NO BALANCE IF WE CAN NOT BUY AE PHASE I!

[winter dagger]

It's hard to balance a tank that's practically the same as a fv215b 183

[stone drum]

True, but it's important to note it's significantly more derpy than fv215b 183, caliban could run Supercharger & refined gun and it would still have worse shell velocity & dispersion. In addition the handling is significantly worse; infact the worst in-game at .35/.35/.19 vs .2/.2/.2.

[void siren]

max speed 30 to 40 and it becomes a lot more annoying

[stone drum]

Regardless it's still probably one of the worst tier 8 premiums available.

It gives up everything for alpha that isn't even good for its caliber.

Its probably the only tank I genuinely hate.

[fickle tinsel]

e25 may be the worst tank ever. it feels like the only time i come across them is when I'm playing smasher and they're always driven by a leeroy jenkins 40%er who gets ammoracked or oneshot with HE

[void siren]

if you see them they aren't playing it well enough

the playstyle is camo abuse

[barren goblet]

Or ramming in mad games

[fickle tinsel]

they all play them like a brawling tank and get obliterated

[hoary horizon]

fr

[fickle tinsel]

and @fickle shoal

i would argue that sometimes buffs are warranted if the average player and above average is unable to perform in the tank, and only elite players who have the skill to constantly relocate and abuse camo values can make use of it

obviously this means that elite players could do really well in it but i think a select few elite players doing a little better than they would've before is better than a lot of poor players throwing games

[timid turret]

Aim sorry,aim in first time standing in this chat

[unique scaffold]

It's extremely easy to play lol. U have some of the best spotting distance in the game, ur fast, u get spaw liner, it's easy to play lol

[queen geyser]

that made me laugh

[umbral socket]

OK why the heck is this tank absolutely op ( its stock)

[lunar sail]

isnt that the pawlack

[real bison]

youre likely playing against bots or fellow new players

[stone drum]

That doesn't make it easy to play... lol.
Please stay within the confines of reality.

The Batchat has pretty bad hp, dpm, and armour (as a light tank should) all of which make it inherently harder to play. Not to mention the clip reload or lack of gun depression.

None of these prevent batchat from being a very capable tank, but they do prevent it from being a "noob friendly tank" as you so disingenuously claimed was in league with other such vehicles as Type 71, E-50m, and IS-7.

If you want to mald about a French tank finally being good please restrict yourself to #blitz-memes .

[fickle tinsel]

leopard 1 is a shining example that, like the batchat, good doesn't=easy to play

[umbral socket]

Not really, 4 of them got over 15k battles, 2 of them over 30k and 1 of them 10k
This tank is absolute stupid wth, i actually gonna keep it

[queen geyser]

its gamemodes, who cares

[unique scaffold]

Womp womp womp. Imagine getting mad over someone online:3

[umbral socket]

No s sherlock, but its still op

[queen geyser]

if that thing is op, I wonder what the Kryos is

[umbral socket]

Not free to get lol, i already had 46 coins so i did a few dailys and got the pawlack already

[winter dagger]

But it's very rewarding when it works, the return value on the BC is so high, that when it works, it feels very unfair because of clip + view range combo

[uneven turtle]

U cant just say a tank is good cus it’s good on paper. Talk about it’s playstyle lol. Talk about how having good spotting range, having spall, being fast impacts it’s gameplay. But honestly, in a tier where alot of tanks can take 1/3 HP off you, I wouldn’t say it’s easy since u gotta be careful. 334m view range or not.

[fickle tinsel]

yep

[fickle tinsel]

wz-120 could use a 10-20 mm armor buff on top hull to account for pen creep imo. it can no longer play like the brawling td it was originally

[torpid wraith]

That or at least a hp buff

[fickle tinsel]

The 263 got its much needed armor buff but the wz 120 needs something too for sure. even t7's can frontally pen with gold now. if they have to rebalance instead of straight buff so be it but we should have at least ONE 263 playstyle type t8 tank

[dapper zenith]

if you use its -6 depression wisely the armour goes red but yes brawling isn't the best

[fickle tinsel]

yeah its really hit or miss cause like tall tanks or the newly buffed t9 tanks will just melt you but if you get like a t7 game and rush med side you wreak havoc

[stone drum]

Its good but its honestly not too gamebreaking or anything due to the fact the B-C doesn't have particularly amazing dispersion however they could probably could tone the view range back down to how it was pre 10.3 & remove spall liner + shell reload boost (dont use either anyways lol).

But otherwise absolutely no aspect of the tank should be touched because it is finally perfect.

[barren goblet]

can we buff is8...and clearly is6 is overpowered

[torpid wraith]

Might need to buff you first

[winter dagger]

not reticle, its shell reload boost, but i love the changes but the view range should be around 310 - 320, and wg should make all the other lights have similar view range numbers so not one light tank is used more than the other for the fact of view range, and should instead be used for it's actually capabilities

[fickle tinsel]

no offense but if you have a 30% or 40% winrate in every tank you drive you are not equipped to determine what does or does not deserve a buff because you are driving every tank you play completely wrong and do not understand even the most basic fundamentals of the game. that is not proof of a tank deserving a buff

[stone drum]

honestly if they were all sitting at 275m base view range except vickers it would be good.

(Change my mind vickers should be replaced with vickers mk.3)

[stuck acorn]

0,0025% for such a thing happening, somebody used up all of his luck for life

Even though you can see he is a whale by the number of gold, it's still extremely lucky

@dapper zenith There is no crew skill that buffs view range outside of very niche scenario where you are the last tank on the battlefield.

It's not meaningfull enough to impact balance changes to that tank

[dapper zenith]

you're forgetting about crew skills, players with maxed out skills could get view range up to 350 as is with provisions and equipment

[winter dagger]

my loadout gives me 337

[unique scaffold]

All I ask is for the M60 to get a little more speed and just a .5 quicker reload

[umbral socket]

WHAT ON EARTH?!!

[dapper zenith]

m60 is already a very good ridge peekaboo snapshooter, what would you sacrifice for those buffs

[umbral socket]

Why faster reload? Its pretty fast already
They should undo the latest "balances" on the 121B imo
The M60 is doing just fine
All it may need is +1° on gun dep.

[unique scaffold]

True true, I figured by playing a bit more that it's my network and phones performance that's making things feel wonky

[stone drum]

@umbral socket That would basically just be a straight nerf of 121b.... something that is completely unnecessary.

[umbral socket]

I really like the M60, so glad i pulled it after buying 1 container lol
But i think the pull chance where pretty high tho

@barren goblet uhh, i think they announced balancing a lot of T9, the Is 8 was also mentioned, if i remember right

@stone drum a nerf? I thought they nerfed it on the last balancing, it feels bulky, way to slow, and the camo looks weird now too

[clear shuttle]

they havent touched the stats specifically of the 121B for ages, pbr made the hatches easier to pen

they have given it super consumables and a mechanic

[umbral socket]

But why did they changed the camo?
Didnt they make the tank slower and gave him the super boost?

[clear shuttle]

not as far as i know

[umbral socket]

Idk, maybe it just feels like slower

[winter dagger]

yo bro what hack you use for 1.8 mil gold

[dapper zenith]

pretty sure its a cc account

[lunar sail]

CC accounts dont have that amount of gold

[clear shuttle]

nah its a legit acc

[jade ruin]

No way someone spent that much money (I’m sure if I added up the amount of gold I’ve purchased and the tanks equivalent I’d be around there)

[lunar sail]

he just wasted 1/4 of his life doing that

[harsh pivot]

Where do I vote for the quest?

[sand cape]

Event using credit to get gold

[twin egret]

they're Bill Gates' son obviously

[sullen copper]

No offense...but..how much money did you even spend on this game man..

[clear shuttle]

no idea

[ember mountain]

What do you mean you have no idea

[clear shuttle]

idk the guy personally or anything cus i got it from a friend

[ember mountain]

You mean someone just gave you a mountain worth of gold.

Or gave you his account?

[clear shuttle]

as in thats not my ss, i got the ss from a friend

i realized i misread traxamos message at the time mb

[teal crystal]

😂😂😂

[rough pelican]

Nerf Tiger I

[wicked quest]

Get out

[teal crystal]

that's not how probability works

[sweet skiff]

why does it need to be nerfed

[scarlet fjord]

Ayo I don't have 1.8 mil credits let alone gold

[unique scaffold]

well done

[undone umbra]

Give us double barrel tanks

[clear shuttle]

honestly i can think of a way to balance that out so i think it’d be interesting

[stuck acorn]

that is exactly how probability works...

If chance for something happening is X, same thing happening twice in a row is X to the power of 2.

this means that in this case it's 0.05% multiplied by 0.05% which gives 0.0025%

[clear shuttle]

"umm aktually even then its still a 0.05% chance to get the ae phase I regardless of how many times you pull it ☝️🤓" i predict something along the lines of that

[stuck acorn]

that must be like the dumbest thing one could say

[olive hamlet]

giv leo 1 tungsten frfr

[full junco]

Do you think the Tiger 131 is balanced?

[stuck acorn]

Yes it is

[remote sluice]

i wonder why some lines from wot pc werent added to blitz yet

705A line is a good fit for blitz. id love a side scrape tank for once instead of more hulldown meta tanks

the french single shot heavies. the m4 54 is already in the game but they could try shaking that line up a bit. put the lorraine 50t as tier 9, amx m4 51 as tier 10 with 490 alpha, strong turret and much weaker hull armor than m4 54 for a change.

k91 medium line. id love to have some weird ahh rear turreted tanks for variety.

rinoceronte. i heard that it’s in the works but yea would be cool to have it. give it a reserve shell autoreloader w 2 rounds like bisonte and it’ll be different from minotauro

rhm pzw. i also heard this is in the works.

foch b as a tech tree tank. amx ac 48 leads to amx ac 51 with a 3 shell 400 alpha gun, then leads the foch b with 400 alpha 4 shell gun. this will coexist with the current foch 155 line (wg pls give it more alpha 500 for a 155mm is pathetic)

concept 5 british wheeled medium line. would be a great place to start with if wg wants to implement wheeled tanks

edit: amx ac 51 is a tank i took from the chinese wot clone game 💀

[stuck acorn]

705 probably wasn't added, because tanks like that make gameplay extremely stale, also it would most likely replace both VK 90 and 72 unless it was given some huge weakness which would make it pointless on release

French single shot heavies were probably abandoned with introduction of M5 54 as a collector

K91 isn't the type of tank that would be popular in blitz. Even if it could be interesting, it would share the fate of chinese lights, czech heavies and polish meds

rino just has a bad reputation

RHM will probably be added sooner or later, the line is basically already ready, WG just needs to add 2 tanks to make it work. It's probably not their priority tho, since again, it has bad reputation and paper lights aren't type of tanks WG seems to like, as you can clearly see by current pathetic state of T10 lights.

As long as we have Foch 155, Foch B is very unlikely to come, i think it will probably be added as a collector

wheeled tanks won't come to blitz anytime soon

[remote sluice]

fair enuf

[stuck acorn]

You can except rino and RHM sooner or later though, since WG already gave us a hint in the form of pissonte and HWK.

Same thing happened with czech heavies, first we got Skoda T56 then a full line around a year later

[queen geyser]

but then why we dont get 705 when we got IS-2M

[stone drum]

Why not just add the Actual amx 50 tcb 120?

[stuck acorn]

Because IS-2 SH is an incredibly old tank, added long before WG even thought about 705

[stone drum]

I could see a place for obj 705 in-game, but it would have to be properly balanced to have a place so that it isnt useless.

Although as for Foch B, I hate to say it, but we will likely never see another french tier X or french line added to blitz.

[prime geyser]

guys do we have any info on the release date of the new bz 75 tank?

[stuck acorn]

we most likely will see some french tanks added, but defo not anytime soon. If ever wheeled tanks are to be added, EBR is surely coming along. And if WG uses up it's ideas for collectors, Foch B will be very likely to be added for some quick buck

[stone drum]

Last french line was added like 6 years ago no?

[hybrid ravine]

Yes in 2017 which in that time change the logo of the ammo

[shy pumice]

Yeahhh😅 french really needs new tanks. First eu needed new tanks cuz french had little tanks but they were good. The EU had worse tanks. Niw EU has one of the most NO-skill tanks and i think france needs a new line ngl

[stone drum]

I have some suggestions, there is plenty of material to pull from, but WG doesn't seem interested Regardless

[shy pumice]

@stone drum. Very well balanced option right. Just an OP atmg lol

[glossy onyx]

lol

[stone drum]

Actually its an tngm

[glossy onyx]

The one shot 2 min reload

[unique scaffold]

Only way to ammorack is by shooting the shell or due to the tank only having 980 HP

[shy pumice]

😑. Like sturm tiger

[formal basin]

E50m, a tier 10 german medium, tech tree tank should improve its penetration from 245 to 257 from apcr shell, and I think the tank should improve its hp from 1900, to 1961. It could also get a nerf from its dispersion from 0.326. To 0.335. And another nerf could be its weight from 62, to 60

[prisma jetty]

2 very arbitrary buffs for an already strong medium

[formal basin]

Yh but it could also get nerfed aswell. Like it's dispersion could go lower from like 0.326, to 0.339 and probably its weight from I believe 61.85, to 58.26

[dapper zenith]

didn't it just receive a turret armour buff so you can make the gun work without getting easy penned in return, it's weight gives it the best ram potential for a medium

[torpid wraith]

Lower the weight is a buff bro, sure slightly worse for ramming but will just give it a better p2w (power to weight not pay to win)

[glossy onyx]

give 777 more hit points

[ancient rampart]

E 50m doesn't need MORE buffs the damn thing is practically a heavy atm

[teal crystal]

nope the chances are way lower than multiplying the 2 drop rates

[prisma jetty]

777 doesn’t need to be stronger

[worldly axle]

Yea nah they WG will have to bring this back up because it makes the 5A useless in hill down battles before it was 300 front turret armor now it's below 258 yeah nah you don't pay for stuff to be nerfed if it's like this I want my money back shadow nerfs are just as annoying as shadow nerfed t22 med

[stuck acorn]

are you dumb or what?

That's exactly how probability works... Probability is always a number below 1, therefore multiplying it by itself always makes it significantly lower.

0.05% is 1 in 2000 chance

0.05% times 0.05% is 0.0025%, which equals to roughly 1 in 40 000 chance for such a thing happening

That's how lucky you need to be to get AE phase twice in a row

[dapper zenith]

i put in a suggestion to at least make 5a front armour bounce medium standard ammo, we'll see, after 10.3 its less effective than t8 wz-111 frontal

[stone drum]

I lost 50 IQ reading this

[stuck acorn]

Ugh, why did you have to mark this message...

Because of it, not only i lost like 50IQ reading the probability mastermind guy message, now i lost another 50 reading this hot garbage...

[stone drum]

Lol

[teal crystal]

you assuming that .05% is guaranteed after opening that many crates, that's your failed logic being applied, and the guy opened more than 2 crates to get those 2 AE Phase Is,
multiplying them for each crate opened is one thing, but to get 2 exactly back to back is a way lower chance which involves complex math

I think you learned Permeation combination by now to know it's a way lower chance than just multiplying 2 crates when SS showed more than 2

[stuck acorn]

how to say you know nothing without saying you know nothing:

Where did i ever say that it is guaranteed to get AE phase in any number of crates? It's never guaranteed.

Neither i ever said anything about number of crates he opened because it's completly irrelevant for the discussion.

And no, it doesn't involve any more complex math.

If one opens 1 crate, there is 0.05% chance he will get AE phase 1.

If one opens 2 crates, it's 0.0025% he will get AE phase one in both. And you know how else you can call getting 2 AE phases in 2 crates? Getting 2 AE phases in a row lol.

And these 2 crates can be any 2 of the crates in a given opening, rest is irrelevant.

Since you don't want to calculate what is the chance of getting 2 AE phases in a given number of crates, but only 2 AE phases back to back, you can just calculate it as getting 2 AE phases in 2 crates.

The result is exactly the same

Also, taking other crates into consideration would actually only increase the chance, not decrease it. If you have more tries, chance for something happening obviously rises

[teal crystal]

that last statement shows more ignorance to me than actual understanding

[stuck acorn]

🤡

[stone drum]

https://stattrek.com/online-calculator/binomial#google_vignette

[unique scaffold]

i havent played this game in almost 2 years and id probably expect a broken tank if i ever come back

[patent helm]

stop advocating for e50m gun nerfs grrr
can people just not enjoy decent gunhandling on a med? its gun is not as reliable as it used to be, why make it worse

[clear shuttle]

because it has armour !!!

[torpid wraith]

Then aim bro

[lone sandal]

revert 5a changes

[stone drum]

Seriously, if you hate the pen so much just run cali

[light ivy]

I sometimes miss the old E50M model with the same old "balanced" armor layout. Encouraged you to play more carefully back then while having an amazing gun.
These days will never return...

[stone drum]

Strong lower plate days

[light ivy]

Ah yes, reversing into a hill to make the lower plate angle more sharp. Trading upperplate armor with lower plate to confuse people.
Was truly fun sitting in front of 3 tanks and none of them manage to pen.