tank-balance-discussion

[viral goblet]

Anyone else having issues with auto-aim in update 10.3? Seems a bit wonky to me. What's supposed to be easy shots are derping wildly in some instances.

[unique scaffold]

cent ax when??

[dapper zenith]

Yes! I’ve noticed it will grab terrain like it used too many updates ago, especially on the recently updated maps, I’m on mobile (play with it on in no scope and off while zoom)

[deep cosmos]

yea the auto aim is glitchy when theres liek 2-3 tanks together, and it dosent lock on properly

[dapper zenith]

That’s was exactly the reason I switched to auto aim off in zoom , didn’t like it trying to decide what tank to follow, but I think it’s too accurate when a heavy if following a full speed light/med when it crosses our view it’s like a free turret traverse bonus

[deep cosmos]

yea i turn it off when im going into close combat, its great for sniping tho as it helps give lead

[native folio]

"CC56 has great frontal" The Three enemy Maxed T29s: •√•

[stone drum]

Huh????
How would that increase turret traverse?

[dapper zenith]

It doesn’t, it’s was an exaggeration

[winter dagger]

Maybe next Christmas tank, we only have had one med for Christmas ever

[wide badge]

So hard to fight auto aim when you have 2-3 tanks in front of your reticle

[real bison]

only has a good frontal turret

[mighty bear]

Sometimes auto aiming won't start zooming in on a visible target is what i experienced using Steam version.

[proud abyss]

Bro expects to play against tier 6 meds all the time

[compact falcon]

Kranvagn need -10° deg

[obtuse falcon]

Panther 8,8 needs either a buff of a rework. Right now it’s a worse panther 2

[burnt venture]

it should be a fast heavy with zero hull armor and -13 deg gun depression. But right now it's a superheavy that weighs less than some mediums.

IMO having fast Kran would actually be fine, since it's a tank that's completely limited by the amount of damage it can output with the low DPM of the autoreloader.

[thorny timber]

kran should be fast in trade for lesser armor for the lightweight category it is included in when it comes to heavies in t10,its just not what people usually expect it to actually be when they see the turret thickness

[vital birch]

Is anyone know if where is plan to add obj430u line in tech tree or as premium?

[cunning socket]

No news.

[stone drum]

Giving it more gun depression wouldn't hurt anyone, -9° is just cringe.

[cunning socket]

Original kran had 12 degrees iirc. But seeing how strong it is rn it doesn’t need more tham 9

[dapper zenith]

soviet tech tree is already one of the biggest, can't see another line going in there

[vital birch]

Thanks for your reply.

[lime oxide]

I thank the t14 needs just little armor buff

[stone drum]

doesn't matter, it would absolutely add character to the tank.

Suddenly giving it 12° would be completely fine.

[cunning socket]

It will break it. Nerf the gun and remove speed boost then

[frigid goblet]

give obj 140 152mm gun and improve accuracy more or i will delete

[stone drum]

It wouldn't even remotely break it.

As for the gun, there isnt much left to Nerf at this point...

[stuck acorn]

Just give it some proper weakspots. Problem solved

[stone drum]

Such as??

Should we weld M60s missing cupola to it?

[fickle shoal]

make the blocky area under the gun weak (it's only pennable by TD's) when gun is raised, and the cupolas when using gun depression

[queen geyser]

u could also weaken the lower part of the gunplate, so when u elevate your turret to hide your cupolas you still have another weakspot, if u know what I mean

[light vapor]

Just reading this i realise why Wg wont add the Strv 103 line

[fickle shoal]

cheese wedge i'd argue is not as annoying as kran, the 103 has a hatch that has 0 trolliness to it at all, the main reason is just how the vehicle works, the hydropneumatic suspension which blitz's engine isn't capable of running

if you want a true rat swedish tank, the Udes 15/16 is where it's at

[stone drum]

I suppose also modelling the rangefinders as armour would help.

[fallow cedar]

Did they buff the pen on the maus? I swear they buffed it

[stuck acorn]

AP pen was indeed slightly increased, but it's only few milimeters. Gold pen is just as bad as it used to

[fallow cedar]

Then how tf can i pen e100 turret with ap barely

[light vapor]

Its basically like the obj 263 but with gun depression

[dapper zenith]

Like where to shoot it with ap or what do you mean

[acoustic estuary]

Uh?

[fallow cedar]

In a facehug i can pen e 100 turret with ap barely no weakspots required

[acoustic estuary]

Because your turret is high enough to reduce the angle?

[fallow cedar]

I couldnt pen before

[dapper zenith]

Could’ve got an accurate or lucky shot but everywhere else its red

[acoustic estuary]

Lift it again a little bit.

[sour moon]

Please can someone add the reticle consumable on the Skoda T56?

[stone drum]

Absolutely not

[sour moon]

@stone drum why? Type 57 have, Chimera, Emil too…

[shrewd remnant]

While you’re at it, reticle should be added to the T49 and SU-152

[fickle shoal]

smasher to

[stone drum]

Emil doesn't have it??

[scenic apex]

Emil 1 has reticle cali, as does the Emil 2 and Kran

[solid sequoia]

Why doesn’t 183 have ret Cali?

[burnt venture]

can we put the Badger gun on the Maus, and then give it Japanese heavy equipment

[scenic apex]

Why don’t we give the Maus tracer shells while we’re at it

[fickle shoal]

combat stabilization to, while we're at it

[clear shuttle]

please can someone add super speed boost to the leopard 1

[cunning socket]

Give it like tier 7 levels of dpm xD

[stone drum]

That would actually result in a dpm buff.

[cunning socket]

Lemme rephrase-tier 7 autoreloader levels of dpm

[stone drum]

That still doesn't help your standing. Do you not realize how poor kranvagns dpm is???

it's like 2300 in a time when most heavies rock well over 2700.

[cunning socket]

Make it like 1700 like the forest witch by adding a reserve shell

[cosmic igloo]

I hate WG that they low the IS 4 front armor

[thorny timber]

'too bad that my is4 can't deflect a 170mm ap now'

[clear shuttle]

im 99% sure ur thinking about the pc kran with the 12 degrees part

[cunning socket]

Yeah-what else would be the original kran?

[umbral shard]

fr IS-4 armor is dog now tds can literally pen upper plate without premmo😭

[nimble zodiac]

When the vehicles specifically designed to destroy tanks destroys tanks

[wicked quest]

Mmm is4 tears

[umbral shard]

can't wait for is4 to be op again when the next buff happens 😌

[clear shuttle]

“we have decided to give the is-4 +1kph more reverse speed”

[umbral shard]

wow no way gamebreaking

[thorny timber]

[keen anchor]

Emil 1951 need buff

[wispy leaf]

is it good?

[clear shuttle]

it used to be

[main tulip]

It's trash

[wispy leaf]

2.4k dpm n decent mobility with no armor n trash pen , n a cool lookin tank. i still take it ,seems a good due bundle with the Berlin

[dapper zenith]

If it had preferential MM it was good, vs t8 and most 7s it has nothing , i don’t think they’ve buffed it in many years, don’t see it very often

[wispy leaf]

the tank is averageish, u can still do sumtin with dat dpm. so yes its true, but trash pen makes it not greta\

[proud abyss]

Isnt this tank worse than the T-54? I hope it will get buff since selling premiums isnt worth it
Im not in a credit shortage, I only sell under tier 6 premiums and collectors and some tier 8/7 really bad ones

[cunning socket]

Indeed it is. Sell it

[queen geyser]

Yup its worse then the T54 but wg said that the next balance Update is focusing tier 9 tanks so there is Hope for this fella

[proud abyss]

Well its a premium so it shouldnt be worse than the tech tree

[queen geyser]

This is completly false, it should be diffrent to the tech tree tanks but not flat out better, AMX 30 is a pretty nice example of this in my opinion where the tank while not being the most interesting himself is still pretty unique and has his own place

[umbral socket]

The T54 mod 1?
It was absolutely great before wg ghost nerfed it

I had a match with my friend in the Golem and we clutched a 2 lives vs 8 lives match idk the mode but he focused on bounces and i supported him and flanked the enemys who tryd to rush him and get behind him and his armor (while i was 1 shot lol) we never laughed as hard as this after winning an insane match and i really loved the T54 mod 1, one of the few great russian mediums.. before they destroyed this vehicle

[umbral socket]

Just like the T2020 and the Chief. T95

[queen geyser]

? what are u talking about ? T-54 tier 9 tank bro

[unique scaffold]

It was never like that

[stone drum]

What are you even talking about, AMX-30 is the only french medium tank at its tier. That alone is interesting enough.

[umbral socket]

Not the T8 premium?
yeah the tech tree t9 one is absolut dogwater

[queen geyser]

No not the tier 8 premium pls read the messages before taking part in the convo

@stone drum If I failed to express what I wanted to say then im terrible sorry but I cant word it better

[umbral socket]

As i said, they ghost nerfed it

[nova frost]

I need some bonus codes not expired who knows some?

[umbral socket]

Well, T2020 lost armor, T95 lost a bit average dmg, and T54 disp

[queen geyser]

what was the alpha of the T95 chief before ?

[thorny timber]

Bro,when did these updates even take place i don't remember anything of them taking place

[ember idol]

T95 Chief's alpha has always been Blitz's standard 90mm dmg, 225

Never been changed before and still is 225 as of writing

[queen geyser]

They happend in the head from MorgenSpeck, maybe he can ask the walls when exactly

[stone drum]

Complete rubbish, T-54 mod. 1 has only ever been buffed.

[glad brook]

I don’t think so, nerfing a premium tank that people bought for real money can land WG in legal trouble, ghost nerf or not

[real bison]

actually no, since the EULA states something about that not being the case

[barren goblet]

Since this is t9 update, let's talk about e50.
Why does e50m have -8 over front and e50 doesnt. E50 is one of worst tanks in it's tier, giving it same depression as t10 is simple way to make it more playable.

[stone drum]

They still don't do it regardless.

[orchid grove]

mod 1 was never ghost nerfed; it just wasn't that good to start with, and then WG added a bunch of tanks that were just way better

[queen geyser]

honestly the whole idea of the tank being a slower but more armored T44 was pretty decent, sadly WG went completly googuugaaga with premium power level with time

[nimble zodiac]

T-2020 got an armor buff since release 🤨

[dapper zenith]

T2020 is running great right now, its my go to t8 soviet heavy atm

[stone drum]

Tbf the whole soviet tier 8 medium line-up could use something of a buff, discluding obj 274a.

[dapper zenith]

Ya its been awhile for the t44, and t54 but that meta was long lasting in their prime

[main tulip]

Imo every 100mm at tier 8 is quite mediocre. Way too much trade off in handling and DPM, for 280 alpha that honestly doesn't feel great

[stone drum]

Their are some pretty good ones tbh.

[stone drum]

I would love to see each of them recieve their own special niche. T-44-100 in particular I think could be made really special & unique.

I'll post my suggestion for T-44-100 changes in abit.

[dapper zenith]

T44-100 is that The shielded? Dont have that one, have t44-85 bravery which is nice to play, 264/a which is obvious, and mod 1 which is just ok now but can work on certain maps

[stone drum]

Yes

[stone drum]

T-44-100 buff suggestion-

Mobility:
Maximum speed increased to 56kph
Reverse speed increased to 26kph

Survivability:
Viewrange increased to 274

Gun:
Reticle calibration consumable added.
Shell layout changed to AP/AP/HE
Penetration changed to 180/242/62

Mechanics:
"Adaptative concealment" mechanic added
"Concealment in movement" mechanic added
"Tracer shells" mechanic added

[proud abyss]

Ah so basically make it overpowered

[stuck acorn]

So basically make it tech tree T-44 but better, great

It wouldn't be overpowered, but still...

[harsh ravine]

or they could just give the T-44-100 more gun depression (7 degrees) and slightly better accuracy.

[stone drum]

I was actually going to post T-44 changes & T-54 mod. 1 changes, but I ran out of time.

Regardless it would even be remotely overpowered. Its quite literally without exxageration the single most pointless tank at tier 8. @proud abyss

@harsh ravine doing that permanently forces them to compete in a matter in which one tank will always be better. If you then compound this with the fact they both occupy a massively overcrowded niche its quite evident that fundamental playstyle changes are necessary.

[mossy beacon]

Should I get it or wait for Black Friday or something else 🤔?

[umbral socket]

Only if u use the x5 boosters on tanks u need to grind, otherwise not worth 6,5k gold imo, even tho the golem is crazy strong

[solid sequoia]

It’s worth it

[real bison]

the 5x boosters are for the T56 only

[mossy beacon]

Alright thanks

[barren goblet]

T56 and 252u will never be cheaper than 6500 gold in near future ...and you get equipment slots, camo and some boosters.
It's as good as it will ever get as prices go for good t8 premiums.

[main tulip]

Wouldn't be OP at all

[dim ibex]

No. Wait for auctions tho

[ancient rampart]

Still needs better roof armor

[primal yacht]

Why do I always get started on the same side of the map of Hellas? I NEVER get spawned on the side closest to Base B. And that side obviously has the most cover and advantage.

[primal yacht]

Oh, sorry, Could have sworn I tapped Maps. Dang touchy touch screens. LOL/XD

[slim latch]

Should I excghange my resources for Stg???

[proper depot]

Isn't worth

[nova frost]

Maus is better at tier 2 XDDD

[umbral socket]

Useless then, not worth 6,5k

[queen geyser]

kekw

[umbral socket]

Not worth it, even if u reeeally want the Tank

[slim latch]

Ok thx

[unique scaffold]

Why they nerfed concept so hard

[clear shuttle]

how 💀

[proud abyss]

??

[sweet skiff]

nothing’s nerfed for the Concept 1B as far as i know

[unique scaffold]

I mean like overall why they changed the hull armor the tank is paper on flat terrains it wasnt like that

[cunning socket]

It’s not meant to be on flat ground💀

[sweet skiff]

why would you fight in flat grounds with the Concept 1B anyway lmao

[thorny timber]

Concept wasn't nerfed,e5 and e6 have got buffed.

[clear shuttle]

my hull down tank gets violated when its on flat ground 😭😱 why cant it have a v4 lower plate and is-7 like hull 😭😭👎👎

[unique scaffold]

Well how am i gonna fight against 2-3 meds all alone when my team decides to go town/flat??? Like i know its supposed to go Hilly terrains and use it turret with gun depression.

[sweet skiff]

can’t you just sidescrape since you’re in town?

[clear shuttle]

go play something that isnt a concept then if ur worried about being penned on flat ground

[frozen ginkgo]

Buff the pudel

[twin island]

Hello everyone, I saw information on Tik Tok that on some stream they will give out such containers from a promotional code, of which there will be 6, if anyone has accurate information, you can write

[gentle rain]

from where is this box man, have a code for it ?

[cedar basalt]

What is the code

[rich bolt]

BRO BUFF CHIFTAIN MK 6 THE AMMOR IS FCKING SH|T, buff it or delet it

[main tulip]

Lol

[real bison]

1: language
2: cringe armour reliance
3: learn to peek-a-boom
4: abuse calibrated shells and APCR

[misty spindle]

Anyone wanna plat

[rich bolt]

Even a 100mm cartridge can easily get through the armor at the front, which is hindered

[proud abyss]

112 HE pen go brr

[sacred ivy]

Chieftain is AMAZING

[cunning socket]

A bit powercrept- I would say its still can hold its own

[unique scaffold]

Cope

[solid sequoia]

Bro is complaining about arguably the best heavy atm

[sacred ivy]

Chieftain is my beloved, as it is it fits my playstyle more than any tank in the game, i love the way it looks and the way it plays.

[thorny timber]

Cheiftian mk6 is literally well fed on almost every aspect you can name of,if you think THAT thing is underpowered then it's not the fault of the tank.

[wicked quest]

It has bad pen that is struggling more and more , although dude has skill issue because MK6 is the most smoothest heavy ever

[thorny timber]

If chief had HEAT prammo it'd just be superior than the generic t10 heavy

[wicked quest]

Nah HEAT would harm it actually the APCR is a step up because it’s fast , the E4 demonstrates this because the ammo change feels horrible to play with and the HEAT just does not feel good at all

[thorny timber]

Either way cheif isn't in desperate need to be touched in any way of balancing right now,if it does it'll quickly mess up its power balance which is possibly the most balanced tank wg has ever even got close to making

[fringe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-22424562

[rich bolt]

Nop Not like this , I would just be attacked by 3 people and none of them bounced off and I didn't hit anyone for whatever reason, and I was attacked by an Fv215b 183, a T110E3 and an M-VI-Yoh (And I stood still and not a shot hits is a bit weird)

[real bison]

you go hulldown, you peek up, shoot, back down

you do not rely on armour for even a second

the chieftain mk6 is good, youre just bad

[stone drum]

Ehhhhh, I wouldn't say that.

[fickle tinsel]

diffed by e5 🤣🤣👎👎

[hearty elm]

Why doesn’t BC 25 T have tungsten rounds?? The tank is extremely lacking right now

[real bison]

🗿

cant tell if satire or serious

[stone drum]

🗿

[proud abyss]

Its satire

[solid sequoia]

Not really

[fringe quest]

Please tell me you’re joking

[stone drum]

Certified WG momment.

[sweet skiff]

the smasher and annihilator are unbelievably weak. they are so sluggish that even a t95 can outrun it, they are so easy to pen even a tier 1 can kill it with no problem, they are so inaccurate even a stock kv2 has better dispersion, it has slow reload even a 183 reloads faster and worst of all they deal so little alpha. are you telling me that a tank based on a high-alpha tank or a tank with 3 barrels on it can’t even one-shot a light tank? i remember one time i was in the smasher and tried to kill a low hp tiger 1 but when i shot HE it dealt 273 damage only??? after i shot the tiger 1 circled me and due to my overwhelmingly slow reload time, i wasn’t able to fight back. another time was when i was driving my annihilator and tried to kill the spawn-camping td but when i tried to kill him i did only 600 damage??? the worst part was that i didn’t get bounces from anyone and died. i really hope wg will buff these two tanks in the next update.

[acoustic estuary]

Bet

[shrewd remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/war-dogs-war-dogs-movie-stressed-facepalm-gif-5727928

[winter dagger]

Now let's just give it tungsten shell

[devout ravine]

the best spot range tank with concealment in movement and you wanna give it tungsten too? it even has the 20% HE reduction provision

[hearty elm]

The inter clip reload is insanely slow, the alpha is uncompetitively low, and pen against most meds is atrocious

[nocturne veldt]

is there any light tank that has more damage than BC ? except vichers with HESH

[solid sequoia]

Sheri

[nocturne veldt]

ah yeah i forgot about that lol

[ancient rampart]

I hope this is bait

[remote sluice]

isnt it obvious 💀

[stone drum]

AMX m4 mle. 54 needs some changes, the tanks character has been greatly diminished in recent changes. At the very least it should be reverted gun-wise to its pre-9.1 state.

[remote sluice]

yea i mean the tank is still strong but it lost its identity. it is no longer that armored french heavy that punches hard and goes fast, now it’s only a mobile french heavy

[winter dagger]

It's still good just more boring than previously, which is not what I want tanks to be, it should be fun to play, yet not broken/op, which was the og state before they randomly gave it tungsten

[stone drum]

It's not even mobile, it's the second slowest french heavy available.

10.5 on medium terrain is just garbage.

[stone drum]

It works, but it doesn't really work well. The gun is just way too poor and the Mobility has been neutered far too much.

[nimble zodiac]

From this, you're stating the second slowest availably French heavy based on the medium terrain stat that you noted?

[stone drum]

Shh, it's part of being a politician.

But yes, the medium terrain acceleration is the most critical peice of a tanks mobility profile in conjuction with traverse speed.

Both AMX m4 mle. 49 & Somua SM can make better use of the Mobility they have due to the face their acceleration is simply stronger.

AMX should be sitting at its old 11 hp/t or so.
My personal recommendation is to return the former standard AP shell, increase the weight to 80 tonnes, and increase the engine power to 1200hp.

[twin egret]

shouldn't the T-62A weigh a bit more than it should rn

[deep cosmos]

LETS GOOO
can we give it tungsten?? alpha feels abit low

[remote sluice]

needs 690 alpha + tungsten tbh it’s too weak

[deep cosmos]

give it mega tungsten, +100% alpha for 2 mins

[unique scaffold]

Nerf obj752

[unique scaffold]

That's satire right? Bc what u said made 0 sense, it's either skill issues or bad rng. Smasher and anni are blood born win conditions from how good they are, smasher has the ability to bounce shells, HE pen is rly high and its damage output is rly good, and no way u just said anni and smasher has a longer reload than fv183, smasher can one shot the mass majority of tier 6, anni has wild armor and a rly good gun with mobility on its side.

[steel valve]

This has to be one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever seen 😂😂😂😂

[unique scaffold]

PLEASE NERF ARMOR OF Controcaro 3 Minotauro!!! and armor of that line from tier VIII PLEASE!!!

[fickle shoal]

skill issue

[unique scaffold]

Wanting to buff anni and smasher is

[unique scaffold]

same with minotauro tech tree from VIII, smasher and anninhilator

[unique scaffold]

and its not my skill issue when im unable to penetrate it because WG wanted to create tank that will make some players quit!!!

[fickle shoal]

blud the entire purpose of the mino's is to have insane frontal armor but bad mobility, how about omg1!1!!!! exploit the bad mobility and shoot the side, or wait for the thing to dump atleast 2 shells as it won't fire again unless it wants to face a 21 sec reload on avg

[unique scaffold]

i did shot from side

[cunning socket]

Woosh🤓

[queen geyser]

U can also pen the mino pretty easy frontally with good Premium ammo, for every other tank, just drive away, what is the mino going to do?

[unique scaffold]

Only high calibers though, any light or med will struggle to pen unless the side is showing

[queen geyser]

U rly, maybe thats why I said: if u have high pen just pen it, if you dont just dont Fight it

But yea if u struggle against a mino, I wish u good luck against a WZ GFT Mr Homesless Guy

[fickle shoal]

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[thorny timber]

<@&481447501690568709>

[fickle shoal]

oh mods! wakey wakey!

[gleaming apex]

hennyhypnotic was banned.

[remote sluice]

what happened?

[fickle shoal]

link to a "silly" server

[winter dagger]

Sus

[rare plover]

💀

[steel valve]

💀💀💀💀

[unique scaffold]

💀

[azure sluice]

Nerf smasher

[unique scaffold]

Nerf obj752, armorwise and gun

[icy grail]

German light tank line needs some help. The Ru 251 needs a slight armor buff in the front so ramming isn't so fatal. Second the Leapord PT A and the Leapord 1 needs to be made light tanks bc the previous leapard was a light so the other should be too.

[remote yarrow]

Skill issue

[wicked quest]

PTA and leopard aren’t lights evident they are literally 20 tons heavier

[icy grail]

It doesn't rly change the fact that it on par with the Ru 251

Like a Ru is more likely to win against a Leopard Pt A. I like the German light tanks but the fact the Ru is the last German light just ruins the line. And to state that the PT A is so bad it is like they may as well up the speed.

[main tulip]

No lol, the Leopard 1 should not be a light because the VK 16.02 was. It's also far better than the Rhm Panzerwagen will ever be

[ancient rampart]

The German light line is great the hell are you taking about

The Leopard PT A is also not bad in the slightest it sounds like you just need to learn how to play the tanks

And no the Leopards should not be lights
They’re mediums

RU251 also doesn’t need any armor buffs it’s a light tank

Use your speed

[main tulip]

nah PTA is definitely slightly bad at best

[ancient rampart]

It’s not

After it got buffed not to long ago it’s definitely a solid medium, It just lacks the gun depression of the leopard 1

[fickle shoal]

only thing i can say is bad about it, -6 can be painful, otherwise it's eh

[icy grail]

I never German light line is bad. I'm just upset that their isn't a Teir IX and X light tank. Switching to PT A feels like a downgrade

[frozen ginkgo]

Nerf t8 all together

[main tulip]

it's much worse than the Leopard 1 tier for tier (thanks to the trash gun depression, and 30% less P/W), which is already notoriously difficult to play. In no world is it more than average at best

[icy grail]

You also can't use the Ru 251 speed to ram. You are destined to die if you try which, doesn't make sense for a tank with that much speed.
My main has become the Ru 251 but I want there to be a step up to the Ru that isn't a medium tank.
I don't want to play Teir VIII forever. I just can't manage with the PT A. Just because it's 20 tons heavier doesn't overlook the minimal increase in stats. The Ru has more speed, depression, and dpm than the PT A

[ancient rampart]

It’s a light tank it’s not supposed to Ram

[main tulip]

The PT A is mediocre and probably worse than the Ru tier for tier, but that doesn't mean that they should change its class and playstyle to match the previous tank. Playstyle shifts occur in nearly every line.

And the Rhm PZW should be coming down the line.

[icy grail]

Yh I forgot it's ammo rack is in the front of the tank. So ramming isn't an option. Mb.
Maybe I can convince someone to make an alternative version of the Ru 251. Like the Ru 260 or Ru 300. I would like to test run it if they do.

[main tulip]

someone already did create an alternative version, that being Wargaming themselves.

[fickle shoal]

rhm pzw in blitz 🙏

[pale oyster]

Tbh. STB isn't OP. It still can't do jack if a team is camping and the accuracy is kinda eh.

[wicked quest]

It’s doubtful if it ever comes because I mean
Just think about it why the hell would you want it lol. Leopard exists and is already a dpm gun handling machine
E50M is the brawler
What purpose will the wagon have?

[main tulip]

no purpose but it was leaked iirc

[wicked quest]

I’ll ask aeson next time I see him but having Wagon added seems like a waste of a line and tank to add , this would be a miles better fit for it unironically
(With none of these vomit inducing stats)

[thorny timber]

There's just a certain number tanks that need a nerf,things like the IS3,Ferdinand and some others have become a product of time since the stronger t8s came to release

[main tulip]

IS-3 and Ferdinand nerf? Lmfao

[ancient rampart]

Ferdinand nerf

[nimble zodiac]

He meant that they got powercrept since other tier 8s were released

“Product of time” isn’t the way to describe powercrept tanks, in fairness

[thorny timber]

either way you know what i'm trying to point out here,blindly nerfing the whole t8 will be a blunder to make.

[nimble zodiac]

Let’s not have a few bad apples ruin the bunch, okay? 😊

[ancient rampart]

Ferdinand should be dropped to tier 7 with its top gun removed

[clear shuttle]

blitz hub said it was possibly coming “this year” but so far nothing, soo 🤷‍♀️

they might of been talking about the hwk, idk
ive also heard blitz huh isnt entirely reliable either way

[wicked quest]

The HWK is already a premium so unfortunately that doesn’t help it

[winter dagger]

what in the concept 1b

[unique scaffold]

says someone who stat pads low tiers 🤭

[thorny timber]

Gonna be honest,many people will probably play that thing over the leo 1 if it was brought into the game even if it was flat out worse than leo 1

[unique scaffold]

ferd and is3 needing a nerf? thats like saying nerf the t28 prot by loseing more moblity and armor, or saying buff 53tp by giving it 30mm more turret armor and 40mm hull armor all around

[ember idol]

Comprehension error

[thorny timber]

@unique scaffold 🤦‍♂️

Sometimes I just want to hit my head on a rake when people point out the same thing even if the mistake was corrected

[main tulip]

nerf the ferdinand, it's Posit1ve's highest WR tank

[umbral shard]

30b:

[remote yarrow]

What xD

[distant ice]

When will there be a promo code for the tank?

[nimble zodiac]

Doesn't matter about the person with the opinion, their opinion is what matters, and Obj. 752 deserves a nerf

[unique scaffold]

Agree. It's armor is insanely trolly and too good, it's gun does way to much damage

[remote yarrow]

Skill issues slaps so hard, you can't just tell to nerf a tank you don't know how to fight against 752 is well-balanced at this moment and keeps up with other tanks

[cunning socket]

👉🏻🤓
Blud is high on copium

[remote yarrow]

Just get better and learn how to fight 752 xDDDDD

[proud abyss]

I mean it deserves atleast an armor nerf, to make it weakspots bigger

[remote yarrow]

Blitz players when they don't know how to fight a tank:
Nerf that tank cuz it's too good (aka OP) and I don't know how to fight it1!!1!1!1!
Blitz players when tank they have in their garage get nerf:
No It'S nOt PlAyAbLe NoW!1!1!1!

Guys just idk aim or use gold rounds, it's not that difficult or advanced

And about weakspots, there are 2 giant cupolas on top of 752's turret that even tier VIII tanks can easily penetrate without issues If player know how to aim 😄

[ember rain]

Bro's using language called facts frfr👆👆

[nimble zodiac]

God forbid the 752 player points their gun upwards, removing those two weakspots entirely. Aiming means nothing if there's no longer anything to aim at, and most tier 8s don't have good enough prammo to deal with any hulldown 752 who uses their brain.

We know how to fight the 752, but 752 is such a stupidly easy tank to play, that it outperforms every other tier 9 heavy by quite a margin, even the cooked K-91.

"Keeps up with other tanks" is such a hilariously massive understatement, bruh.

[remote yarrow]

That's called life, there are many tanks that are better than others like for example Badger and 777 II on tier X, 50TP prot and 752 on IX etc. WG can't nerf every good tank cuz players want to easily fight every tank. 0 sense and 0 logic

[nimble zodiac]

If your philosophy to tank balance is “it is what it is” then get out of this channel 💀💀💀💀

[remote yarrow]

massive facepalm, there are many players that encountered +1 MM with very good tanks in enemy team and are they crying to nerf them just because their tank was not able to fight them without problems? No, I myself encountered "OP" tanks myself and the only tank I told to nerf was 50/51 like 2 years ago cuz it was freaking annoying tank. Man stop spamming skulls like idk who and start thinking about it in a logic and real way. Of course I can't push everyone out of mistake but at least I'm speaking facts and proving that it's not that difficult as people think it is.

[nimble zodiac]

I made it look like a war crime, and other players sure have done better. I've already sent you the statistics against other tier 9 heavies that show it's better than every single one of them.

From your messages, you do admit that 752 is OP. Players can fight the tank, especially if its commander is bad, but it can't get countered s easily as most tanks, by far. You need tier 10 guns with prammo to drill through the front, and it still has a nasty damage burst to fight back with.

I'd argue for a nerf not because the tank is invincible and it can't be beaten, but that the tank is stronger than its adversaries by a considerable margin, and is a blight to deal with, even for good players.

[fallow tinsel]

spot the difference

[wicked quest]

752s hit skin is incredibly stupid even if it’s gray in the lower control arm / drive gear bulges you’ll bounce

[clear shuttle]

yes bro i love playing a tier 10 against tier 8s daily 💪💪💪🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯

[remote yarrow]

Saying that one tank is better than second tank (at the same tier for example) = meaning that it's OP? I don't think that it is, here I can use example of IS-5 and 252U - 252U is way better than IS-5 and it doesn't mean that it's OP. I don't see any logic in what you said because you maybe did read it correctly but got it badly

Also @clear shuttle, what does X vs VIII have to do with current topic?

[clear shuttle]

maybe because the Obj 752 is a tier 10 and i play it against tier 8s daily, but i personally think its a balanced tank regardless bro people just need to learn how to beat it as a stock is-3 or even as a T54E2 💪🔥😎👍

[nimble zodiac]

My point is that it's OP because this outperformance of every other tier 9 heavy tank is by a decent margin, which is a big ask for any tank that the Blitz community touches at all

I gotta sleep though for my college classes in several hours, so I won't keep myself awake just to talk to someone who thinks OP tanks don't need nerfs 👋

[icy furnace]

752 should get a 300 hp buff and moved to t10, it's stupidly op

[little trout]

someone COOKED in this channel and im all to watch this drama
good thing i got a couple hours to spare

damn no ones talking anymore, i wanted free drama 😔
guess i'll do it myself, wall of text inbound

[remote yarrow]

Why I don't have 752 on my account and despite it I ain't talking that it's OP 👀

Additionally outperforming other tier IX tanks isn't an issue cuz there are many tanks that "outperform other tanks on it's tier" and noone's talking about that

[nimble zodiac]

We're only talking about 752 now because someone brought it up on their own terms, and the discussion flourished from there. It's not just 752.

Have a good night, or well, morning for me. I shall sleep

[remote yarrow]

Goodnight

[little trout]

nvm i cant be bothered with doing what i said here this isnt worth my time
@wicked quest for as much as i wanted to its late here and i cant be bothered, would rather watch the entirety of rick and morty in 2 days again

[clear shuttle]

lets ignore how red 2/3 of the dispersion factors are 💪😎

[wicked quest]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-upset-violin-sponge-bob-mr-crab-gif-3466351

[stone drum]

I wish bisonte was abit more unique, it's kinda uninspired as of current.

[leaden flare]

Just the 752 is quite literally outperforming all t9s by a good bit
And it's probably outperforming some t10s too

[winter dagger]

Better than the is4 LOL

[queen geyser]

That made me laugh

[remote yarrow]

Yea yea Nerf every good tank because kids want so 🔥✍️

[nimble zodiac]

Obj. 752 > Pre-Nerf TVP tier for tier, just sayin

[distant river]

There is a very large difference between a "good" tank and what the 752 is.
Good tanks can stay how they are, 752 can be moved up a tier or can be nerfed heavily

[solid sequoia]

You are objectively wrong. The 752 is by far and away the best performing tank for any skill level. If it was “well-balanced” as you claim, it would not top almost all of these charts, knelt being beaten on average wr by the 50TP prototype.

[remote yarrow]

I ain't wrong, I will stand my ground still but will stop trying to pull people out of their mistaken minds since it's like talking to the wall.

[solid sequoia]

You are quite literally trying to argue against a numerical fact. I have presented you clear evidence that the 752 is way stronger than anything else at tier 9, and you still say “I ain’t wrong” with 0 proof to back up your argument. And you claim you’re the one trying to talk to a wall to get people out of their mistaken minds 🤦‍♂️

[remote yarrow]

Ye ye talk more

[stone drum]

I think moving it to tier X with properly adjusted HP is the best option.

Though just a thought, what if they gave it preferential MM to ensure that it is always downtiered, so that it never meets tier 8s.

[queen geyser]

Im not backing down! Kekw

[fickle tinsel]

well yes thats how it works if a tank outperforms every other tank at its tier that is literally what makes it OP 🤦‍♂️

@stone drum that would make it a worse double shot yoh

[queen geyser]

I think the main Problem with the 752 is that all the other tier 9 heavies from the TT are pretty meh and the 752 just works incredible well

[pale oyster]

Standard B exists

[unique scaffold]

What is the most underrated tank

[fickle tinsel]

the t8 chieftain premium tank

[winter dagger]

Great example is the 50tp prot and 752, 50tp is fantastic but hard to play in order to have it work right, 752 just works without the difficulty

[nimble zodiac]

I think this just counts as trolling, not gonna lie

[glass torrent]

Hi,i just got kv5 after opening crate
I wonder if that tank is good or not,and does it worth keeping to grind credit
I'm thinking i would sell that tank because i dont like that tank's look:v

[fickle tinsel]

it's very ugly but been buffed so many times that it's actually really strong in pubs

[remote sluice]

keep it, gravity and big boss mode are coming back and that thing brings a lot of memes on the table in those modes

[glass torrent]

Ok thank you:v

[ancient rampart]

Just put the 752 in tier 10
There's no reason that thing should be a tier 9 that gets to bully tier 8s

it's straight up the best tier 9 in the game because of how overcooked it is

[solid sequoia]

Not sure what that has to do with my argument, but yes the standard B does exist

[pale oyster]

752 is not way stronger than any else in tier 9 because there just other tanks that are pretty much tier 10s in tier 9. Like standard B and T30

[ancient rampart]

T30 and Standard B don't even come remotely close to the performance of the 752

The 752 can dump 840 in 4 seconds then reload it's clip in 16 seconds

Then you have a tank like the KPZ 70 which has 560 alpha and takes 15 seconds to reload it's shell

How can you honestly say the 752 isn't op
People who know what they're talking about call it the best tier 9 for a reason

[solid sequoia]

@pale oyster take a look at these graphs and tell me there is something nearing the complete domination 752 has over tier 9. It is by far and away the top tank on the relative wr charts, and even manages to keep a high average wr, only being beaten by the 50tp proto.

@ionic anchor it’s a pretty good tier 10 with +0-2 match making

[ionic anchor]

Is obj 752 good??? I jus got it from collect em all container

[orchid grove]

Not sure if sarcasm

[pale oyster]

Have you considered its not tech tree so not everyone can play it. Usually people who are good at the game get it. I’m not sure if I’m just blind or something but I’ve never had a problem with 752 and maybe it’s a skill issue. Please don’t get me wrong like… I know 752 is really good but like I don’t think it’s like OP. Standard B can dump like 1000+ in 6sec with ig longer reload but it’s auto reloaded. And it has Hesh. I feel like I have some idea of what I’m talking about

[ancient rampart]

The Standard B is also a medium
So it doesn't have the HP or Armor the 752 has

[ionic anchor]

I used this tank 17 matches 70+ winrate and 2880+ avg damage idk i just felt so bored and empty using this tank its just boring and strong at the same time

[solid sequoia]

It overperforms across the board, for all skill levels.

[pale oyster]

Nice. But I still woulnd't call it OP. I would call like Annilator or Smshers OP or like Sheridan when first released. 752 doesnt feel like game breaking. One 752 won't like make then instantly win the game like Anni would.

A lot of tier9s would do that and that's just expected if it's a tier 9 vs tier 8.

@solid sequoia Nice again but why you care about stats so much. Is it really a problem for you in game? Like is it a tank that just ruins your game like a tvp would have? Why not just take your experience and come up with your own opinion instead of just looking at numbers.

[ancient rampart]

It does it if goes up against tier 8s lol

[solid sequoia]

752 performs relatively better than the Annihilator tier for tier.

[queen geyser]

U mostly notice that a tank is op when u take in consideration both your own experience as a player and the server Stats, not having a problem against a Tank is a given, u can win against any tank fairly easy, when Im personally talking about op I mostly refer to: "Better then everything in his class" that dosnt mean I cant fight it but the experience I have with the Tank together with the experience I have with all the other tier 9 heavies Except STI, I can say that there is no real competition to the Obj 752, stuff like Yoh, 50TP Prot and K91 come near the Obj but in my opinion no way close, the dpm, heat pen, clip damage, armor and gundepression are very good or too good in relation to others and the tank is not that slow either

Its pretty funny, u can basically take any tier 9 heavy except Wz114 and obj 752 prammo butters threw it while every other tank needs to aim for tiny cupolas which the 752 can just hide after firing with sticking his gun up

If I would change something I would at least nerf the premium ammo pen, so that u at least feel the bad accuary the tank kinda has and the dpm so it comes near the levels of a two shell yoh, a bit Higher then it tho

[stone drum]

Standard B isn't even remotely OP. At best it's strong relative to the absolute garbage that multiple tier 9 mediums consist of.

[nimble zodiac]

This isn’t even worth discussing if the 752 defenders are defending it only because it’s not gamebreaking. Instead it is only OP

752 is pretty crazy, but not absolutely insane, and apparently that’s just enough to want no nerf hammer to hit it for these people

[dapper zenith]

not that I want then too but WG gave so many away lately they'll have to do something to it

[gusty elk]

Do y'all think that wg might go and change the 4005 to where it might have a 2 shot clip like the yoh and a longer intra clip like add a secondary gun to it

[drowsy plaza]

No

[gusty elk]

It would be crazy tho a two shot cannon that does 800 a shot with a 6-8 sec intra clip and a slightly longer reload like half a sec or the same reload or revert back to a 3 shot clip

[stone drum]

Foch 155: 🗿

@nimble zodiac do you have the list of what tanks they wish to change in tier X after the current season. I lost it.

[nimble zodiac]

No idea, I just rely on blitzhangar

[remote gate]

Buff Kpz 70 HE alpha from 640 >> 680

[ancient rampart]

700*

[stone drum]

Nerf Kpz 70 HE alpha from 640 >> 600

[queen geyser]

580*

[latent ermine]

GIVE VK45.02B PBR IN 10.5 PLSSSS

[surreal bolt]

Buff t-44 frfr

[teal crystal]

not very broken ngl, only people that struggle are the ones that sit in front of a Jagdtiger that has Adrenaline and Tungsten highlighted

[barren goblet]

I guess we need easier solution then. Buff every other tier 9 until it performs like obj752. Tier 8s will be delighted as well 🙂

[ancient rampart]

Nah only buff the KPZ 70 until it performs like the 752 :)

[north sonnet]

What tank should i get in Tier 6?

[stuck acorn]

whatever leads to a T10 you want.

T6 is meaningless

[wispy leaf]

still waiting for Kpz 70 PBR 🥲
also i kinda do think it would be t10 instead , just give it a proper gun stats like 600 n armor a bit. since the tank is more advanced compared to the others.
Edit : & nerf the speed a little bit. keep its hull armor n stuf

realistically (even tho its wotb)
just imagine a Tiger 2 fighting a modern looking tank.
Kpz 70 Shoots ATGM in its prototype stage
not telling to add ATGMs to the tank. just it should get a proper tier for its good looking and era

[ancient rampart]

The last thing the KPZ 70 needs is a mobility nerf when it already has lackluster armor

[wispy leaf]

i do agree on tht , but they kept it because of its no hull armor.
it uses a superb engine afterall
i dont think it needs a nerf in my opinion.

[empty hawk]

Vk 36.01H’s armour is almost unpenable and a good gun makes it easy to use

[winter dagger]

its crazy good but nowhere near the "smasher/anni" level of broken, which means it doesn't break t9 at all, just has such a large inherent advantage

[north sonnet]

Thx for that i almost get Churchill 4

[dapper zenith]

Kpz 70 is finally playable, and competitive, it was jimmy junk for awhile before this

[teal crystal]

The intraclip kills it a bit, 4 seconds to dump 860 damage, a Yoh can do 900 in 1.67S and it has special consumables, only thing limiting yoh is the speed

oh and the Yoh is free, just requires a little bit of grin- I mean suffering with these teams

[winter dagger]

spain without the s

[twin egret]

Foch 3 clip when

[wicked quest]

Honestly why not 3 foch clip they already threw limiting clip damage out the window with insta load and 4 clippers

[ancient rampart]

The Yoh has a 2.61s Intraclip for 3 shells
and a 17.20s magazine reload (300x3 = 900)

Obj 752 has a 4s intraclip for 2 shells and a 16.75s magazine reload (430x2 = 860)

The Obj 752 just ends up doing more than the Yoh

• Edit
  And if you want to argue about the 120mm of the Yoh that just ends up being even worse
  1.71s intraclip for 2 shells
  and a magazine reload of 25.71s (450x2 = 900)

[clear shuttle]

ig its personal preference but i see no point in running the 3 shot over the 2 shot in pubs on the tier 9 yoh

[barren goblet]

2 shot autoloaders are best in most cases. Big alpha and hard to push on reload

[clear shuttle]

generally their easy to push on reload (when their alone or if you have support)
its just they usually take alot less time to dump shells

[thorny timber]

Just switch to the 3 shot if you wanna keep great consistency to prevent getting pushed or just want to cosplay as a budget m-4-y

Either way 2 shot ends up being better in more than half of the cases if you follow your team

[remote sluice]

are we allowed to talk abt the leaked stats of the bz75?

[proud abyss]

The 460 alpha gun looks so simmiliar to the 452K gun

[stone drum]

Honestly I'm kinda thinking of giving it a massive Foch-B esque clip.

Something along the lines of 310 × 6 or 350 × 5.

[proud abyss]

Object 452K vs BZ-75 460 alpha gun
Yes I know the BZ-75 is unequipped but outside of it having 1 more gun dep, the gun is almost identical to that of the Object 452K

[remote sluice]

damn bruh a tier 10 tank that has a teeny tiny bit better gun than a meh tier 9 heavy 💀

[thorny timber]

For 460 alpha it should have like 2.5k DPM on avg,even 400 alpha heavies at t10 surpass that value by a wide margin

[sacred mural]

Wait its leaked ?

[stuck acorn]

and the best part is, the 130 is the good gun on the BZ lmao.

152 is just so incredibly horrendous that i can't believe they've even proposed to add something like that to T10.

Just look at this hot garbage, one of the worst if not the worst DPM at T10, atrocious pen, bad accuracy, long aim time and not enough HESH alpha for it to have any use as a derp even lol.

It has 0 use outside of being a troll gun people will use to humiliate others, like VK 28's 105 and this kind of garbage

[remote sluice]

dawg i have zero idea why they wanna put in this gun 💀 if ur not spamming hesh, dont even think abt being competitive on the battlefield 💀

[icy furnace]

are they ever gonna release another good tech tree t10?

[thorny timber]

Wannabe E100,just like how cs63 ended up as a wannabe leo 1

Even if wg is trying to add an average or below average t10 atleast make it unique

[sacred mural]

What about armor ?

[stuck acorn]

180 on the hull, 120 on the side, 240 on the turret (look at those nasty weakspots though) and 180 on the turret side

It's not bad, but not reliable

Turret has a tone of weakspots that can't be easly hidden and hull can't be angled due to it's shape. Gold will just butter it

[thorny timber]

The forehead (or the spacing between the both cupolas) will be a nuisance trying to hulldown

[proud abyss]

This tank with its current stats should not exist xD

[stuck acorn]

It's basically a T10 caliban, except it's even worse since gun has basically same damage output but 2 tiers higher lol. It has a bit more mobility and armor tier for tier, but that's not enough to make such a bad tank work

[remote sluice]

like damn dude, 18s base reload for 620 alpha? doesnt the e100 load at the same time interval but has 60 more alpha?

[proud abyss]

Isnt the caliban worse than the smasher even though its 1 tier higher
Also hesh is not enough to justify it having 18 sec reload, because you will need to use cali to even pen some heavies xD

[thorny timber]

I don't really know why is every tank that has hesh is being put down in low levels since this update

We thought of the same thing when cs63 was in test. And unsurprisingly it never got better than a leo 1 even objectively or in its own way.

[drowsy plaza]

Complaining about an as of yet unreleased and untested tank is a little pointless.

[versed furnace]

guys to be fair the minotauro needs Tungsten shells in my opinion

[stuck acorn]

bBbB... BuT... bZ hAs HeSh, iT wOuLd Be BrOkEn

Seariously WG, not everything with even remotely high alpha needs to be busted just because of this fact...

Just give it 800 HESH alpha, 200 hesh pen and shorten that damn reload a bit. It doesn't need to be accurate, it isn't meant to be, but not having a casual gold shell should already be enough of a downside if AP isn't that good

@drowsy plaza it is just as needed as in the case of a tank that is released. If nobody complains about it, nobody will make effort to change it. i mean sure, WG will still test it and maybe change it upon receiving complains from testers, but making a bit of fuss about that won't do any harm

[solid sequoia]

^^^

[proud abyss]

If they reading this, then its feedback for WG
Complaining or pointing out bad stats is because theres no reason to use this tank (same with the CS-63) due to other tech trees being better at the same job (Leo, 140, 907) and with the BZ-75 you can just use IS-7 or 60TP for higher alpha

[thorny timber]

The more you make a fuss about it is the only way wg will listen,that's how we got a final change to few of the rebalances in 10.3

[solid sequoia]

You are looking at an unequipped gun and saying “this tank must be useless” off of 1 thing. You are way past jumping to conclusions, you’re leaping over continents to find your conclusions.

[drowsy plaza]

WG is a data driven entity. Complaining here without having played the tank is pointless. WG would much rather release a poor performing tank and buff it, as opposed to releasing something that needs a nerf immediately. It will be tested soon, and WG will likely alter its characteristics if it doesn’t perform with the desired range. However WG has a bad habit of testing then adding super consumables or equipment after testing to try to fit the desired balance criteria.

[remote sluice]

stupid comparison, but if u take this and compare it w the PC BZ-176 it is still not as good altho being 2 tiers higher 💀

but eh im gonna go ahead and bring a bit of positivity to this. it has hesh, and it does 780 alpha, which means ur gonna roll for 800 damage a lot. so altho this is just another heavy tank in its current state, it’s still worth it for the hesh memes. the reload would be around 17s w double food and cali shells, which is not too bad considering ur gonna nuke ppl for 800 dmg. mobility isnt too bad either, it will struggle to reach top speed, but 40kph max speed is quite good for a tank that can do 620 dmg

[stuck acorn]

well, excpet you can just think of how the stats would look like with proper equipment. Since cali is a must have on this tank, DPM stays only slightly improved by provisions, pen is only slightly improved, still far from sufficient (198 on HESH for T10 isn't good), accuracy may go down to like 0.34-5 which is still far below average and aim time may go down to like 4.5 or smth.

It's still bad. Equipment may change something on a below average gun to make it average, but if the gun is most likely the worst gun at entire tier, equipment won't change that fact

[thorny timber]

Just because you didn't play a tank doesn't factor in whether you can't decide it's bad or not,that's like a player playing a meta tank badly and then saying the tank is bad in the same way how a player plays a good tank good and says it doesn't need a buff,if wg tries to make any new ideas of its own they have to be willing to be nuanced by their community that's the only way where a tank can be put into an agreement for both the bad and the good players,it's tiring to see the same thing go over and over where a new tank released is either too overpowered or underpowered, although i though understand what you're trying to point out but it's still ok for people to protest against a certain balance or feature which is newly added to the game or in testing

[remote sluice]

198mm hesh at tier 10 is enuf to go thru most side armor and many lower plates, as proven by the 187mm hesh the fv215b has, so im fine w it. altho 198mm for a hesh shell that will cost u a lot of money per shell is bad tbh

[safe rapids]

It’s not fully equipped
It has basically the same DPM as a Vz 55

[solid sequoia]

You’re still jumping to massive conclusions based on a tank that hasn’t been tested yet.

[thorny timber]

Vz itself was disappointing,not because it was bad but it didn't really accelerate at anything back other than the new mechanic it came with

[gusty elk]

It's cool how the bz75 is gonna be with 2 guns sucks the hesh gun has the reload of a vk90.01

[safe rapids]

It’s a good tank, slightly different flavor for the IS-7
I’m personally all for tanks that do stuff just a little bit different from other similar vehicles.

[burnt venture]

I mean 780 damage on 200 pen HE is not weak lol.

And 920 HE is ridiculous for splash damage, and you'll still have normal heavy pen on the standard AP. All this on a mobile heavy tank, I approve.

If it did more damage, it would just be funnier if we can give it 800 / 1000 on HE, buff the HESH penetration, but nerf the AP alpha down to 600

[gusty elk]

@burnt venture I'd be interested in that too ngl

[remote sluice]

ya would love to have more hesh/he alpha cus memes

[queen geyser]

So we are talking about Tank balance for Tanks who wernt even testet now, interesting

U know what I personally would wish for? That the 2 guns differ visualy, this is a pretty bad solution where as a medium tank for example u dont know if u can take a shoot from the small gun or gonna get heshed for 700+

They should change them visualy so that u can react and play around it

[thorny timber]

The 460 alpha gun should be a well-rounded one with ok-good DPM imo,mostly better if you want a generic heavy and the derp should reward more in a peek imo,maybe give a slight difference to both guns with the better dispersion to the smaller gun and better aim time in derp

[queen geyser]

That would if doing wrong just even out

Just give the big gun bad dispersion, handling and aintime and the small gun better like its suppose to be and probably alr planned by wg

[unique scaffold]

Who’s horrible idea was it to give a tier 9 heavy 175 pen

[thorny timber]

Then there's no reason to play the bigger gun other than the alpha and hesh,but you do you i guess

[queen geyser]

Well its the other way around, why would I Play the smaller gun if the bigger aims in quicker and has the Advantage for far more alpha

[thorny timber]

Better dpm and dispersion as I mentioned above,you have better consistency and no quick trade losing spikes in dpm if you miss your shots

[remote sluice]

no worries there are pictures flying around where the bz75 has a much shorter gun

[queen geyser]

Yea I remember, well we will see when this stuff gets hopefully tested

[balmy fractal]

Pretty much, I looked forward to the CS63, VZ55, and BZ58 as they are very fun and UNIQUE on pc, but goddamn did wargaming make all 3 mediocre on blitz

[thorny timber]

It'd be kind of funny and concerning if the Czech heavies get their original guns,but I guess there should be a way of balancing them into this game one way or another

But I'm pretty sure they'll turn out to be just like foch doubleshot,so the vz we already have is good enough for me.

[queen geyser]

To be fair Vz is pretty nice in blitz and was far to overtuned on PC which is why im quite happy VZ got released how it was

[burnt venture]

new mechanic for BZ-75: +5 deg normalization to all shells

[queen geyser]

New mechanic: No Penalty on move Dispersion for turret when u move ur turret slower then 15 degress a sec

[balmy fractal]

The vz on pc was OP, but blitz could've kept the two shot magazine and made the reload time longer, however, it still would've been balanced with the pc gun as the mobility on blitz was nerfed and that's ok. We already have the Yoh and the gun is strong, but it's not game breaking. WG simply had to make it unique from other tanks in the game

[orchid grove]

What blows my mind is that WG is ok with adding the BZ as an HE spam tank, but they won’t add Type 5 “because it doesn’t fit Blitz gameplay”

[burnt venture]

my suggestion for changes after supertest:

• nerf AP alpha to 600

• buff penetration for HE rounds to 200mm / 100mm base

• buff HE alpha to 1000 / 1300

• add super speed boost and ret cal

• Nerf turret weakspots to 100mm

If this tank isn't just a straight up meme, it will end up in the trash bin just like the 3 previous new lines. Stop trying to be meta, just break the game with memes instead. All the meta roles are filled by other heavy tanks already anyway

[thorny timber]

its ok,people are slightly conviced that it is a czech is7 but i think it is unique in its own having 470 alpha

[orchid grove]

Ret cal ghey. I think the alpha buffs are enough. It just needs to be funni HE spam tank

[burnt venture]

VZ is terrible lol.

It has way less armor than other mobile heavy tanks, while having similar or straight up worse firepower. Not to mention it's extremely slow and sluggish off-road because somebody at WG decided a heavy tank should have 75 medium ground resistance.

As soon as the VZ steps off of hard terrain, it's traverse speed becomes slower than an E100.

When I saw the VZ changes, I was absolutely flabbergasted that not a single person at WG was competent enough to see that the single largest problem with the tank was the 75% ground resistance. Like bruh you're willing to give tanks like VK72 and Maus and T95E6 ground resistance buffs, but somehow buffing base traverse on VZ will solve the issue? What a joke

VZ will be forever known as that one tank who was so bad that it's special mechanic is more useful on literally every single other tank that was given it.

[unique scaffold]

Fv 215b 183 It didn't get nerfed enough to make idts stop playing it

[balmy fractal]

Why nerf weak spot and AP alpha ? Imo AP and HESH should both be slightly buffed in alpha

[queen geyser]

VZ us pretty solid honestly, if you compare it to russians which are pretty near its alpha, still prefer everything that has less alpha but for its kind its pretty dang solid

[mystic gorge]

VZ is very good. Only reason people think it’s bad is cuz it’s a balanced tank

[orchid grove]

183 should have a ridiculously bad credit coefficient. People should lose like 80k credits minimum per battle just to take it out of the garage so that people can’t spam it endlessly like they do now

[burnt venture]

It's a heavy tank who plays literally no role lol. There's little to nothing going for it that you can use to your advantage.

The terrible mobility off road and the mechanic means pushing is basically out of the question. You neither have the armor nor flexibility to hold positions either. It's completely stuck as like this extremely mid heavy tank which is insanely easy to deal with in every situation outside of being hulldown 100m away, which even then other heavy tanks exist which do this way better with way more firepower.

A heavy tank that's stuck playing mostly defensive, too poorly armored to push in, too slow to be reactive to flanking or even go to the medium flanks... It's a heavium with ZERO of the traits that make heaviums good: mobility, firepower, flexibility, it lacks all three. It basically just gives up armor so it can have a gun that's maybe slightly more accurate than your average heavy. Wooo

It's trash. It's not hard to figure out why almost nobody plays it.

[queen geyser]

I mean for me its a diffrent IS7, Mobility is besides top speed pretty much the same, the gun feels alot better while having slightly more dpm and alpha, u got some gundepression on top of that, in exchange for a cupola on top and no tungstens

Seems like a fair trade and in battle, its also feel pretty solid, but I ofc prefer many Others over it

[burnt venture]

What makes VZ terrible is that it has tools (namely accuracy and alpha) which it basically can't use in offensive playstyles because it's hindered by the horrible mobility.

You can go as fast as you want forwards and backwards, but horrible traverse means you lose all of that speed when turning. If the VZ had proper heavium mobility, it would be OK to play. But until that 75% ground resistance is fixed, it literally has no place next to other fast heavy tanks which almost all of which has better DPM, armor, mobility.

Outside of a straight line speed contest or on hard ground (which is like 10% of all maps), VZ is basically as fast, if not slower, than an IS-7. And this is before you factor in that IS-7 has tons of side armor, no turret weakspots, etc. that make it MUCH better at brawling, pushing forwards, reacting to flanking, etc. It's not even close in the DPM department when IS-7 has tungsten where the base DPM difference is like 50.

The only place where VZ does better is long range shooting. Wooo what a useful heavy

[queen geyser]

I mean VZ literally turns faster then a Is7, so idk, most people would rate a is7 pretty Solid, for me personally having no tungsten and a cupola, while having a better gun dosnt make a tank from pretty solid to terrible

[burnt venture]

again... it turns faster ONLY on hard terrain. Which makes up VERY few parts of maps. Most of the time you're on medium terrain, that's the traverse number that matters...

VZ literally has worse traverse on medium than an E100. It's tragic, especially for a tank which has no side armor to speak of at all

[queen geyser]

Idk judging blitzstars VZ seems to have the same gr then Is7

[burnt venture]

Blitzstars does NOT take into consideration how ground resistances affect traverse numbers. That's why it's not apparent on there that IS-7 in fact is FASTER than VZ-55 in a lot of scenarios.

IS-7 not only has better effective traverse speeds than VZ-55 on medium terrain as blitzhangar shows above, it also gets the same p/w on medium terrain as well. And this is before taking into consideration that VZ-55 is a huge downgrade on armor and another huge downgrade on HP.

IS-7 not only turns faster (and loses less speed when turning as a result) than VZ-55, it is also just as fast in acceleration on medium terrain. IS-7 is also faster forwards AND backwards...

It makes VZ-55 look like a joke from every angle outside of the accuracy. That's why I say that the #1 thing KILLING VZ-55's playability is simply that somebody at WG was dumb enough to give a heavy tank 75% terrain resistance. It's egregious.

[queen geyser]

Yea I checked blitzstars and for me they seem the same 1.9 on medium terrain and probably slightly better 1.9 that gets rounded down

Now we only need to need to compare to upsides of one Tank and the downsides in Comparison to the other tank and then decide if its worth it and for me its pretty much on the same and I perform similar with both of them

[burnt venture]

The advantage of the VZ is better gun handling and 1 more deg gun depression. Otherwise, IS-7 does everything better and as a result IS-7 is just way more useful than the VZ in everything except hulldown long range shooting and we have MANY other tanks which can do that better than VZ.

Idk what part personal performance of one person even plays in this argument lol. IS-7 is more useful than VZ in most situations, and when it's not as useful, the VZ is playing a role which is completely filled by other tanks.

Playing a VZ IMO is just a hindrance to your team when you could be way more useful in EVERY useful aspect of a heavy tank, damage dealing, shot blocking, pushing, holding, moving around the map, etc. in almost everything else

If it had actually good mobility, I can see the point of it. But it's almost slower than an IS-7 lmao

Also, the cherry on top is that 13 reverse is just utter trash. Who cares if the mechanic is there, 13 reverse is horrendous combined with no traverse speeds

There's almost nothing you can really say about VZ that says "this tank can do XYZ thing that no other tank can do". That's what makes it tragic as a tank

[nocturne cypress]

grille is bad, needs buffed

[fallow tinsel]

VZ 55 HAVE BOOSTERS

[twilit crystal]

charge gold per battle aka reverse gold booster

[stone drum]

The issue with VZ's traverse isnt in the medium terrain resistance, rather it lies in the hard terrain resistances. 1/1.5 terrain resistance set-ups are just awful because of that gap absolutely butchering mobility on medium terrain.

[orchid grove]

Bring back og PC 2011 mechanics and make gold ammo only available for gold

[teal crystal]

T22 Medium:

[mystic gorge]

Why would T22 need a bad credit coefficient?

[burnt venture]

Fine every player 1 million credits per game they have in 183.

Three birds with one stone by removing 183 players instantly, removing terrible players instantly from tier X, and forcing those players to play lower tiers grinding credits for the next year to bring their accounts back to net 0

[twilit crystal]

183 toons really are super frustrating . Usually useless but they might always get that once lucky double tap around a corner

[burnt venture]

183 in general is just a useless tank that once in a while randomly ruins a guy's game. There's nothing engaging or fun about it.

[reef rivet]

IDK why people overrate the maus. It's a big trash Bag cuz its low damage for a 15 sec reload like bro the armor on it is nothing cuz everything could penetrate that (X Tier) it needs a buff

[worldly lily]

Maus is a very good tank, solid gun makes up for the mobility deficit, and it has a lot of armor and hp. These reasons are why it is used in comp

[proud abyss]

Anyone has list of tier 9 balance changes? Or are they yet to happen

[fickle shoal]

yet to happen

[scenic olive]

Buff the reverse speed to 17 (I think it deserves this cus the massive lower plate) and buff the traverse on medium and soft terrain by like 7 degrees. Also I think if they made the mechanic so that It can go 20 forward and backward without the gun blooming it would be so much more useful while allowing for better reverse speed buff without the mechanic being useless while backing up.

[teal crystal]

it already had one, it's very bad

[stone drum]

your going to have to buff AMX m4 mle. 54 before you do that

[winter dagger]

Hot take, give vz improved suspension mechanic

[errant glen]

This armor

Wg why

[winter dagger]

gun mantle??

[dapper zenith]

? Whats the issue

[errant glen]

Is this an actual thing in the game

[clear shuttle]

the mantlet is an actual thing yes
the mantlet is not 0mm in armour however

[deep cosmos]

not a Soviet tank then

[gusty elk]

That hesh on the bz 75 is gonna be nice tho

[remote sluice]

ye whatever ppl say shooting ppl for 800 dmg is always a nice feeling

[lethal blaze]

Just make the E 50 M a heavy. 60 tons 💀

[crisp zenith]

Maus have 11 sec reload without rammer you know

[reef rivet]

The maus is trash anyways. I can clap it with a WT auf

[crisp zenith]

sounds like a skill issue honestly, you don't seem to know how to angle maus if you're saying everyone can easily penetrate.

[reef rivet]

The 60tp lewandowskiego is like 100 times better Than the maus. BUT this is my opinion so I dont say to not use the maus. But like the E100 the minotauro , kranvagn,jg.pz E100 is still... Better I think.

[crisp zenith]

they're insanely different imo, maus can hold 3-4 people by it self for a long time if you know what you're doing (can't if they have a hori ofc) + it has 2500 dpm which means it can threaten others if need be. Other than destroyers you can easily hold yourself against heavies/meds/lights for a looong time wihout any problems, can also stand against td's but not as long (again not counting hori).

[uneven turtle]

U need at least one td at ur back. Reason being cus 3-4 people would have the right mind to push a lonely mays since u say can hold a lot of people by itself. But if u have a td way behind u, enemies will think twice about going the mile to take a long time to kill before they themselves are killed by the TD.

No matter what u do a tank can never stop pushes as long as they are alone. Even a Maus. U need a secondary line of support to act as defence or deterrence.

Hence front line and back line education for new comers are necessary

[crisp zenith]

I'm talking about a situation that they can't just push you, if that's the case no tank can do that

There're a few situations but even if not we're talking about a potential here, if maus can potentially hold that many then he can hold 2 people the longest in the game. @uneven turtle

[uneven turtle]

In a 3-4 against 1 it’s highly unlikely they won’t push you no matter the situation

[slender latch]

man why can't WG put the other stats like shell velocity in the game and other hidden stats. It's useful to most people.

[remote gate]

Sounds like a skill issue if you can't angle in the Maus, after 10.3 the Maus is actually pretty good now compared to pre-10.3

[reef rivet]

Bro the 60 tp literally deletes that crap

[orchid grove]

?
60TP is one of the worst tanks to fight the Maus with. Low prammo and standard pen means that he struggles with well angled Mauses, low DPM struggles against the Maus’ massive HP pool, and Maus is tall enough to easily shoot down onto his upper plate to pen without prammo

[burnt venture]

wdym there's clearly a huge green weakspot right there, buff Maus immediately

[orchid grove]

Joke’s on you, I fully support another Maus buff 😂

[winter dagger]

Give maus 1000 alpha damage and 6.69 dispersion

[fickle tinsel]

maus with like 520 alpha would be crazy

[main tulip]

E75 has 530 alpha on PC lol

[woeful shadow]

excuse me but from when heavies can jump?

[burnt venture]

Ever since this game has tons of bugs and random screw ups from the very beginning in classic WG spaghetti code style

[winter dagger]

Yes now let's make the maus into an airplane

[stone drum]

💀
That would be the ultimate slap in the face.

[oak coral]

E100 with 750 alfa?

[umbral socket]

Is 3player platoon already in the game?

[nimble zodiac]

Yes, in gamemodes only, also this is not the chat to ask in

[acoustic estuary]

He had asked in other chats no one responded

[hearty bear]

Hi

[nimble zodiac]

Doesn't justify his message 🤷‍♂️

[stone drum]

Mediums should get some HEAT penetration buffs. 295 HEAT is absolutely horrendous at tier X.

[nimble zodiac]

Or just remove the Magnate

[stone drum]

???

[dapper zenith]

Then they would no problem dealing with face on heavies, they used too have it a long time ago until WG did their first ever tier wide nerf and dropped all mediums penetration

[clear shuttle]

they should buff the 121s heat to 320mm so i can make heavies mald

[winter dagger]

BREAKING NEWS: WZ-111-5A IS NOW OFFICIALLY USELESS!!!!111!

[uneven turtle]

I fell asleep but to respond to this the only way a lonely maus can hold enemies is by the duration it takes to kill the maus

[stone drum]

I fail to see an issue with that. Heavies shouldn't be near frontally impervious to medium prammo. Nor is their any justification in every medium have literally useless premium rounds.

The amount of situations where it's actually useful is absolutely hilarious.

[dapper zenith]

It forces mediums to be mobile and relocate instead of sitting in a hull down trade match

[stone drum]

That's a garbage arguement.
Heavies already have Hp, armour, and alpha advantages over mediums.
When mediums fire prammo they also tend to lose their dpm advantage too.

Their is absolutely no sense in mediums rounds being borderline useless in-game.

@dapper zenith it's not about sitting in the same lanes as heavies, assuming you have the ability to garuntee their are no heaviums on the medium side. It's the fact that medium prammo rounds are simply put completely inadequate as of current and offer next to no benefits over standard rounds.

I don't know what your not getting or why you are defending heavies.

[dapper zenith]

I dunno what to tell you then, im not finding it an issue but im also not sitting down the same lane as heavies in a medium

[crisp zenith]

Yeah just like any other tank right? Lmao

[uneven turtle]

Nah just like any other super heavies. Not any other tanks

[reef rivet]

@remote gate U know I actually tried to play the Maus differently. Like being not that aggressive,and ön third match playing like this got nearly 5k damage and 2 elims

And brooooo it hits different. The maus is actually not that bad at all. Now I see the reason why is it used in competitive

[clear shuttle]

since its essentially a giant sponge

[ionic egret]

not every gun can just have good pen

think about the balance in that

you in your heavy that are supposed to bounce shells get penned by a med in weakspots that usually require gold pen level from other heavies

[main tulip]

being able to pen a heavy from the front on at least some areas should be the norm, not a trait of something with "good pen." As it stands, medium tank prammo offers extremely little benefit and usage cases.

[ionic egret]

yeah cause it simply would be too good with an gold pen granting you a pen every time

you'd just try again and again if you didn't pen

heavies need more time to do that with their lower dpm

an e100 needs another 16 sec to shoot if it doesn't pen even with it's gold pen

and you will be able to attempt a pen 3 more times

[main tulip]

we're not asking for gold pen that grants you a pen every time, not even Ho-Ri pAP or jageroo HEAT does that.

[wispy leaf]

i opened one crate

[barren goblet]

T10 mediums are somewhat balanced even, but tier 5-9 ...
Almost every tech tree medium is crap compared to heavy of same tier. We can list few exceptions but principle stands.
And I agree on point above, with small maps as they are, health pool and armor is big advantage , even more so for heaviums.

[wispy leaf]

broo do be packing derp gun 🤨

[obsidian glen]

dam I wish I had gold

[stone drum]

Alright, I agree. Let's nerf every heaviums heat penetration down to 290-300 for balance. As you said "not every gun can just have good pen" and heavies already have superior alpha, armour, and hp, so they don't also need pen!

[ionic egret]

heavies have bigger calibre guns that aren't derp , which however gives them more penetration

[clear shuttle]

i mean the way i see it is heavies pen heavies, meds/lts pen meds/lts and tds pen everything

[stone drum]

That's completely false. Don't even try with pseudo-history

almost every tier X medium is capable of firing shaped charge warheads that massively exceed the penetration of heavy tanks.

case in point; the 120mm gun mounted on the m103 (and almost every other western heavy) is one of the most powerful tank guns in terms of raw kinetic energy to ever see use.
historical sources place its penetration at roughly 300mm (rounded up) on armour peircing Solid shot @ a 0° incidence.
reports similar regard levels of penetration on HEAT-fs rounds as having penetration inferior to 380mm under the same circumstances.

conversely the "Obus G" heat round fired in the AMX-30 was proven to penetrate 400mm of RHA @ 0° incidence.

This value is superior to that provided by the 120mm gun which in turn completely debunks your claim, being both baseless and completely false.

[stuck acorn]

That could be true for ww2 designs, but most T10 meds are all MBTs which all can fire hugh penetration HEAT, APDS or some even APFSDS rounds, so this statements is absolute BS (not to mention that this game has nothing to do with history)

[ionic egret]

there are no such thing as apds rounds in wot games

[drowsy plaza]

WG doesn’t use long rod penetrators (discarding sabot type rounds) or composite armor in any of the tanks. APCR isn’t a fin stabilized discarding sabot - it’s simply a hardened solid round with a lighter material covering, but it isn’t a FSDS

[orchid grove]

They do; but they’re represented as APCR.

APDS shells in WoT/Blitz are mechanically the same as APCR shells (2 degrees normalization), but APDS shells have extreme shell velocities (1500m/s+ vs ~>1200m/s on “normal” APCR shells) and less pen drop over distance, usually ~10mm at 500m, vs ~30mm or so on “normal” APCR shells on a 105 for instance

[void siren]

I mean WG is deliberately trying to avoid advancing to guns that lolpen entire tanks on mobile platforms

I really don’t want to see jpz e100 pen on a med

[stone drum]

Thats not at all what im advocating for. Im simply advocating for a greater degree of relevance on medium HEAT rounds, not for them to completely ignore armour.

my belief is merely that the average penetration for mediums should be around 310 HEAT with a handful of mediums having slightly more. In contrast to the current monotonous 300 heat that has been so prevalent.

[dapper zenith]

I dunno what you want in the end, wouldn’t that make them good snipers even, most medium standard will find a weak spot on their side and if not, prammo rounds will go through, only time im in front of a heavy is if i messed up or got caught

Tier 9 med (damn thats apcr prammo)

[stone drum]

I Literally just said exactly what I want "my belief is merely that the average penetration for mediums should be around 310 HEAT with a handful of mediums having slightly more."

I have no clue why you are opposed to medium having usable heat pen.

[drowsy plaza]

They don’t, the pen values on long rod penetrators vastly exceed what the game could take. You would have 105mm medium tanks with 400mm plus pen.

[wicked quest]

APDS isn’t a long rod penetrator though it’s pretty much just super AP

[orchid grove]

The game does have 1 APFSDS shell though; the Chieftain/T95’s APCR round is APFSDS

[proud abyss]

What does that matter, its just a name

[winter dagger]

Wrong channel for that but give me that luck now

[drowsy plaza]

Does it have 400+mm of penetration? No, so it’s not really there at all. The games not sophisticated enough to deal with the aspects that composite armor and long rod penetrators would bring.

[twin egret]

I mean, it's not like some tanks in the game that use apds or apcr have an upwards of 400+mm of pen irl

[void siren]

Simple solution:
Negative normalization

[whole plinth]

You can donate to the promotion, when I have the money I’ll send you a gift? I never donated to the tanks, I just wanted to spin the boxes Nick: Bulyackova2012

[ember rain]

Buff AE Phase 1, nobody have it, so why don't make it enyojable for the few players that have it

[stone drum]

The funny this is that is actually a thing...

But it only AP rounds irl.

[orchid grove]

I’m not convinced negative normalization is a thing. The only place I’ve ever seen claim it’s a thing is this stupid book that armchair nerds like to quote; “WWII armor and gunnery” or something like that which was written by other armchair nerds.

But people still claim it’s gospel even though literally EVERY picture of sloped armor being penetrated clearly shows that there is no negative normalization

[stone drum]

so?
AMX-30b still has its Obus G heat shell that sported 400m of penetration & a very sensitive fuse.

While in-game it has an insulting 295mm of penetration just below the average medium threshold as a slap in the face.

[nimble zodiac]

Naw, in the game it only happens to AP and APCR shells to a single armor plate past 70° 😉😉😉

[stone drum]

All the more reason you should support me by donating money to buy a T-80.

Specifically an early Obj. 219a

[fickle shoal]

obj. 219a looks perfect to be a tier 8 premium!

[stone drum]

Actually an early T-72 or extremely early obj 432 would fit the game rather well imo.

[fickle shoal]

wg could probs just take the 777 and modify it and make it a convincing 72

[stone drum]

Why do that when the already existing obj 172 would be better balanced?

[fickle shoal]

man there's to many objects out there i get lost

[twilit crystal]

@orchid grove is this what you mean by negative normalization?

[orchid grove]

What I mean is that instead of reducing the angle of incidence and making it easier to penetrate slanted armor, the shell instead curves away from the normal and increases effective thickness

[stuck acorn]

sorry to spoil fun or smth, but there are APFSDS shells with less than 300mm of penetration and HEAT-FS rounds with even like 200.

It all depends on shell caliber and how it's made

[deep cosmos]

#GiveTogSandbags
tog dosent have enough hp

[granite rover]

they need to buff chieftain by giving it combat stab as IRL it has 2 plane stabilizer

[lone sandal]

give chief mk6 combat stabs and remove reactive from it

[granite rover]

its weird that the vk 90 and t95e6 gets combat stab instead of the chieftain which should have stab irl

[unique scaffold]

combat stabilisation on a tank that is already too accurate 💀

[fickle shoal]

"too accurate" meanwhile im fluffing half my fully aimed shots 💀

[nimble zodiac]

You're fluffing half of your fully aimed shots

[fickle shoal]

im, your, you're (insert another form of you) all implying my skill and internet issue :)

[nimble zodiac]

I wasn't trying to grammatically correct you, I was just saying along the lines of "speak for yourself".

They have pretty accurate guns, and also, funnily enough, the tier 8 Chieftain is less accurate than Chieftain Mk. 6... barely.

[fickle shoal]

i was just poking fun at the usage of you you're

also doesnt the T8 go -20 to?

[nimble zodiac]

Is it not proper? :(

Yes, Chieftain/T95 can reverse 20km/h

[fickle shoal]

yes it's proper, but is it necessary if we are gonna forget about us ever talking about this in 2 hours? (for some maybe some others maybe not)

[nimble zodiac]

Not sure what you're getting at here, it's just how I type

[unique scaffold]

After 10.3, T22 medium became pretty much average medium. It should genuinely be buffed

[stuck acorn]

Is there anything bad in something being average in performance?

It's for the better that it got nerfed, since it was absolutely ridiculous upon release. Honestly it's in a decent state now.

They could take away something from it and buff traverse a bit in return to make it have a better use out of it's side armor, but it's optional. I'm fine with them leaving it as it is

[clear shuttle]

i thought it got and feels better but that might just be me

[leaden jungle]

#BuffTheGraveDiggy

[unique scaffold]

When compared to t62a or e50m it's clear it lacks behind in brawling capability it once was superior at

[cunning socket]

#BuffTheAnnipookie

[stuck acorn]

and? It has some other things to go around with.

Also, E50M and T-62 are one of the best mediums at tier 10, there is nothing wrong in being slightly worse than them

[unique scaffold]

Isn't that the point to slightly improve the t22 to get it along with playstyle of e50m that it originally had back in the days

[stuck acorn]

@unique scaffold WG no longer cares about tank's "initial playstyle", the've just gone full caveman mode with rebalancing rn and changed playstyle of everything however they please without any searious reason to do so.

You shouldn't expect them to rebalance tanks according to what their playstyle used to be.

[finite compass]

Кто скажет как транслировать блиц по дискорду?

[past elbow]

buff smasher

[proud abyss]

Buff kv-2 dmg to be able to one shot smasher, i mean its only fair right?
Also it wont affect other tank, for them the dmg will stay the same

[valid cave]

What balance changes would you expect/ ask for the Kpz70 (the tier IX ‘heavy’)

[halcyon matrix]

What I would want is an increase in the turret armor. Like the tank isn't bad but it just struggles against tier 10s as the turret armor just doesn't hold up. Then it's just weak as it doesn't have anything else going for it.

[hollow frigate]

WG can you give the IS-5 7 degrees of gun-depression? (Five is so painful)

[real bison]

no we dont need an already decently strong tank to become near OP

please get good and dont cook until then

[cunning socket]

Its not decent anymore- massively powercrept. Needs more mobilty and slight aimtime buff imo

[brazen pumice]

could we fix the obj. 140 a buff to the upper hull, a bit like the T62-A

[elder igloo]

Hi guys

[karmic wraith]

It really needs a bit buff but they might decrease its dpm if they do so I guess it's okay for now to stay like that

[wispy leaf]

never seen this b4 , someone already got it?

[queen geyser]

its new in the mystery certificates, also wrong channel

[dapper zenith]

If it can only have one thing to buff, lets hope its the dispersion, i find its the worst shell accuracy of the t8 soviet heavies, sone real head scratchers sometimes

[brazen pumice]

true cuz it would make it more player friendly than it is already

[winter dagger]

It's just a more difficult leo 1 with a smaller profile

[karmic wraith]

It's pretty fun and addictive to play right now

[civic topaz]

?

[fickle shoal]

i kinda wish it could get an improvement in mobility, either with gear oil or smth else

[fickle shoal]

the 140 has deliberately become the weaker armored but higher mobility and dpm tank of the brothers, play it like a light tank or use your other meds for shields

[ancient rampart]

Mobility and AP instead of APCR

[analog granite]

I'm sorry if I mixed up the chats, but I have suggestions on how to give SU-85 (tier 5) M-30 122mm howitzers , or just make a new tank like this on tier 4 or 5

[real bison]

it used to have it, but was removed in 5.5

[silk root]

hopefully a buff to the gun dep, maybe 8 degrees. they might reduce the mobility and increase armor on the upper plate to make it more of a heavy, or leave it like a derpy heavium.

[stone drum]

IS-5 is actually performing really bad as of late.

@silk root "derpy heavium"
It has the best handling & most accurate 152mm of any heavy tank in the game.

[stuck acorn]

iirc the original comment before it was edited was about IS-7 getting additional GD. Hence the reaction

[half phoenix]

nerf isu

[remote gate]

700 HE Alpha

[fickle shoal]

800

[stone drum]

Oh that explains alot, I'm guilty of doing the same.

I accidentally said IS-3 should be made a tier 8 collector when I meant IS-4

[azure marten]

[queen geyser]

[unique scaffold]

if is4 becomes a t8 collector tank then what would replace its t10 spot

[azure marten]

Who in their right mind would want black boxes

[proud abyss]

You dont have 5 dollars? Also begging is against the rules, and your story is sketchy too

[void siren]

<@&481447501690568709> le begging in le balance channel (I wanna see the tank suggestions without scrolling)

[proud abyss]

30 robux? 😂
Its 6 dollars man, i bought it for myself since its a good deal with the gold boosters

Sorry m8, I only gifting to people I know

[worthy basin]

@nocturne hare don’t beg random people to buy you stuff

@nocturne hare send me a friend request in game. My ign is Amaunet85

[cunning socket]

buff rev man.why it so mediocre

[nocturne hare]

Ok

[nocturne hare]

I still can't add anyone sorry for disturbing you I think it only works after tier 5

[worthy basin]

Ah you only just started the game?

[nocturne hare]

Yes

Hey guys, I recovered my account now I'm going to change my password so no one steals it again 🙂

[stone drum]

ST-ii

[cunning socket]

I don’t see how double shot could be implemented on mobile…🧐

[stone drum]

Doesnt need too
Could just be single shot

[unique scaffold]

the why not just st-i

[cunning socket]

Another boring addition then… rip

[orchid grove]

tap fire once to fire one at a time; hold the fire button to charge the double shot

[drowsy oyster]

Give the churchill lll a 2 second reload pleeaaseee

[nimble zodiac]

Then it might be able to fight a T1 Heavy

[teal crystal]

can the panther 8,8 get a dpm buff?
to like 2600 at least

edit: also buff the JagdTiger 8,8's 8,8cm gun dpm to 3900 but keep penetration the same as it is

[nimble zodiac]

Sure! Just play Panther II x-x

Jagd needs no buff oh boy.

[teal crystal]

Panther II sluggish, Jagd 10,5cm is not 8,8

8,8 is in the name

[silk root]

oh really?
I didn't know that, thanks for mentioning it. Hopefully that stays the same in the rebalancing. Although in line with the high alpha it's got, a little more HE damage would be nice

[stone drum]

Doesn't have to be boring...

[celest flicker]

What if they made it a two shot autoreloader?
With like 430 alpha and like a 3.1s intraclip?

[nimble zodiac]

Jagd 8,8 needs NO buff

Use the 10,5cm, 8,8cm would be cracked with like a 3.4 sec reload, even if it's only 220 damage

[unique scaffold]

The question is why would you not use the 10.5 cm on the JagdTiger 8.8, it's literally just 100 xp

[clear shuttle]

buffing the 8.8mm would be nice yeah but i also see 0 point in doing so

[teal crystal]

8,8 is more fun though, just like AT 15

[dense echo]

#SUGGESTION
What if WG replace the Blitz armor indicator system with the WoT PC armor indicator system? I think this will make the armor more effective and players will have to learn about each tank's weak spots. This will be a whole new experience for many players and it will be fun to learn. If WG change this I would definitely appreciate it 👍 If anything goes wrong they always have the option to undo the changes and there is nothing wrong with experimenting. This will be refreshing for the players.

[nimble zodiac]

Or we can keep the Blitz highlighting system (albeit, make it more accurate) so heavies have to learn about covering their weakspots

[deep cosmos]

Too late to change lol

[dense echo]

Why? They have a lot of time to change or bring new features into the game in the future

[ember idol]

A change like that would be too sudden and a disadvantage for mobile players

[deep cosmos]

this game is already 9 years old, you can't change a core feature of a game 9 years in, making everyone relearn the game while it brings not obvious advantages along with the disadvantages to mobile players, would be an absolute disaster for WoTB

[dense echo]

I just want to experience new things. You know when a new update comes with new content, players who haven't played the game for a long time even they come to test the new things out. Just imagine if WG change the game mechanism how many players would be there to play?

[deep cosmos]

just go play WoT then

[fleet tundra]

Give 183 700mm of armour 70 km/p speed 5 round mag of AP shells with an alpha of 1500 per Armour piercing give it 1.2 milliseconds of aiming time

[dense echo]

This is not a solution for those who has been playing Blitz for a long time. It is not easy to move on. Mobile players also deserve to experience new things. Now Blitz is a cross platform game.

[deep cosmos]

What do you mean "is not a solution for those who has been playing Blitz for a long time". A drastic change like this would affect ALL players. Terrible change if it was too happen, noone wants to relearn a game they've been playing for years 👎👎👎👎

[wicked quest]

No

[dense echo]

How are you sure that all the players gonna find it difficult to learn? I have seen players getting bored and started playing on a reroll account. If they can restart the game why wouldn't they appreciate a new experience? I always think positive but, you can have your opinion.

[clear shuttle]

how would it be a disadvantage to mobile players and not everyone 🗿

[deep cosmos]

Yea when you play on a reroll, it's still the same game?? You want to change the whole game

[ember idol]

Mobile players have a smaller screen compared to those playing on much larger ipad, laptops or desktop

So they may miss where the indicator may have gone green say trying to snipe the cheeks of a hulldown IS-7

[dense echo]

People play on reroll accounts cause they don't have any option. They are stuck in the same loop. I am different. I want to think out of the box. If I find something difficult I would share my feedback to WG and they will fix that. This is how the game development works. Do you remember the Sheridan Missile? It was a whole new mechanism but players found it unfair so WG changed it. There is always an option to undo the works.

[long lily]

Game is too fast for that to work, a 15vs 15 you have time to pay attention meanwhile then 7vs7 format has maps so small that often in a who gets to zerg rush first.
Not to mention many tanks have troll weak points already...it's going to be worse where now you'll have to check thr mm or it the tiny indicator turns green

[clear shuttle]

people play on reroll accounts for stats because they know they fight newer players with far less experience alot more until 5-5.5k+ battles
or they swapped servers

[deep cosmos]

@clear shuttle
mobile inputs are less precise than PC, so a change which requires more precision is a nerf to the majority of the player base

@dense echo
The majority of the player base are nowhere near completion of the game, only a SMALL portion of the player base are stuck in a loop, people play on rerolls for a different server or to boost stats. IT IS STILL THE SAME GAME, for the reroll accounts

[flint cove]

That sounds like the majority of the playerbase has skill issue then 💀

[dense echo]

We are thinking about all the negative things and the feature is not even implemented in Blitz. I want to experience this first and then I would judge. This would be a wise and logical discussion.

[wicked quest]

Because genius idiots like this make up majority of the playerbase and players that reroll are leagues above them , they don’t care about an inferior armor highlighting system and idiots for sure don’t care when they don’t learn anything

[deep cosmos]

if you want to try this then go play WOT, it's not that hard. If you don't like the current system then go play the game that has the system you want

[dense echo]

It would be fun for skilled players to bully unskilled players if they implement the WoT PC armor highlighting feature. Since the unskilled players don't care about improvement, don't care about teamwork why should we care about them?! Time to be selfish.

[wicked quest]

Also the Sheridan was only undone when a huge portion of the vocal community was against it , all the negative changes from heavy buffs , the worse aiming system and ultimately even the gun sounds were never reversed they refuse to undo certain actions when it’s concrete it is concrete

[clear shuttle]

i dont see how it would change anything, apart from make it so skilled players will have to “get used” to the new armour highlighting

actually it’ll passively buff tanks like the mino, v4, maus and other funny armoured tanks 🔥

[queen geyser]

I dont think it will be what is happening, there wont be any diffrence, if you play WoT PC long enough you will notice that u dont rly have to learn the armor layout of a tank, 45% will just wiggle their mouse until they find a green spot, wouldnt change anything

actually probably in the blitz armor layout system you need to learn the armor of tanks more because if they are behind a bush, armor indicator dosnt work so you need to know where to shoot with what ammo

@dense echo u know what a cool change they could come up with that is in WOT PC but not blitz ? moe also know as gunmarks

[dense echo]

So, it means WG usually don't care about our feedback? But, I would still want to take my chances. Hope they see my suggestion and do something about it. I am bored with this game but want to fix that by not leaving the game.

[clear shuttle]

or, you can play realistic 💪👍

[queen geyser]

I mean I played WoT PC for like 7 years I think ? I wouldnt mind WoT PC pen indicator but idk would be more happy about gunmarks honestly

or a campaign with reward tanks, also similar to wot pc, maybe with balanced reward tanks aswell

[dense echo]

I was talking about changing the default armor highlighting system not about the temporary fun mode bro. If realistic mode was permanent and counted the stats I sure would stick with that & I didn't have to post that suggestion nor I had to argue with anyone here. Whatever,#WG now it's up to you. Good bye all.

[short gyro]

turn VZ 55 into a 2 shell autoloader, 470 alpha, 2s interclip, 18s mag reload, 2,820 dpm isnt gonna ruin the game

[clear shuttle]

yeah but it makes the yoh useless and ill have too much fun hitting people for 1000 every 18 seconds

[cunning socket]

Instead of a big change in UI just bring marks of excellence. It would add more base for future events and people would like that cosmetic on their tanks

[dense echo]

I also want that. Another way to show off the skill 😛

[nocturne hare]

@worthy basin Hello man, you can see in my private

[proud abyss]

Shes a woman

[nocturne hare]

It is serious ?

[brave dragon]

He is correct 🙂

[nimble zodiac]

Surely just the language barrier 😇

[real bison]

just give it actual terrain resistances and lower the weight

the fact that the IS-7 clone with less armour somehow weighs more than the low-skill tank that is the 60TP, whilst being genuinely slower is just sad

let it actually be a heavium, not a half-baked attempt

[nocturne hare]

@worthy basin Dude I added you there

[worthy basin]

Gets told the one he’s tagging is a woman, still goes for a male term. Gg

[worthy basin]

Please edit out the insult 😅

@nocturne hare I saw you said you recovered your account. Is the dark age account not your first account?

[nocturne hare]

No

[silk root]

Perhaps a good way to go about this would be to add it to realistic mode first, and see how players react. That would give some good feedback while in a fun mode to know whether or not to make the change game-wide

[cunning socket]

Wg can’t even make the clans function properly- they wont spend resources to make a completely new armour highlight system

[nocturne hare]

@worthy basin Dude, do you want to play?

[queen geyser]

🤪

[harsh flicker]

who will go with me to the 2x2 tournament

[nocturne hare]

Does anyone have $5 to donate?

[blazing jackal]

what was the last balance change on vickers light?

[real bison]

10.3

[orchid grove]

Stop begging

[proud abyss]

Still hurts to see vickers become a generic 300 alpha medium

[fickle shoal]

bullying leopards and others lights is fun with the HESH

[main tulip]

300 is less generic than 350 though

[twin egret]

Generic 3X0 alpha damage medium 😒

[fickle shoal]

335 alpha vickers

[blazing jackal]

same, instead of nerfing an op tank, they decided to nerf vickers (Im mad only bc i use it, if i didnt have it i wouldnt be mad)

[frozen ginkgo]

I just punched my phone that’s how mad I am

[real bison]

lil bro tryna make a new account where he has nothing just for a bug that will be patched within 24h

[acoustic estuary]

All of that for an account they will play like once every 3 years

[winter dagger]

And gave a clipper light with third largest clip for meds and lights (tied with prog) with the highest view range for no reason. #nerfbcviewrange #givebackvickersviewrange

[true saddle]

Do all tanks have the same gun elevation speed?

[acoustic estuary]

Yes

[stone drum]

Nah, Keep Bc view range, it's nice.

[clear shuttle]

yes i love 337m of view range on the bc with 350 alpha

[ancient rampart]

don't forget to mention the batchat's concealment in movement

[winter dagger]

Let's just keep highest view range on a pseudo tvp

[stone drum]

I fail to see the issue.

The tank is perfectly fine as is.

[winter dagger]

Perfectly fine by doing 1k clip damage in 4 seconds, with whack camo, highest view range, and an auto ricochet upper plate at extreme angles, sounds like a perfectly fine t10 light compared to the others like the t100lt and Vickers, very balanced

[barren goblet]

Less annoying than pre nerf tvp and vickers.
As strong as it is in some areas, batchat server winrate stats are pretty bad

If maps were bigger , batchat would be OP. With small maps we have, it's hard to use it effectively for most players.

[stone drum]

Oh no! It has average camo for a light tank! Anyways...

View range & camouflage are two of the defining features of lights tanks so idk why you are complaining about that.

Similarly it has no armour to speak of, why you even bother mentioned it is yet again beyond me.

As for the clip, thats kinda the point of batchat in the first place, but it's very fair, 5.6 intraclip which isnt painfully slow nor excessively fast.

The tank is completely fine & is not in need of any changes.

[winter dagger]

its never about the clip itself, its the alpha/burst damage. Wonder why the tvp was hated? Burst damage. Now you have a light with that similar power, using intra clip (which is 4 seconds) and you can easily ruin another person's day. Now your view range argument makes sense if ALL lights had the same as the bc, but they dont and the bc is a clipper with that view range which is a toxic combo

[barren goblet]

Tvp has gun depression and troll mantlet

[winter dagger]

nobody cared about the gun depression as much as the troll mantle sure, but main reason tvp was hated was the mobility and the high burst damage, often resulting in a no-brains yolo to ruin a person's day

[barren goblet]

Bat can't do what tvp used to.
Poke ridgeline, 4.5s dump , run away.
Bonus points if you bounce on turret.

[stuck acorn]

Bat is much weaker than pre nerf TVP. 1050 damage in 5.6s isn't 1240 damage in 4.5s lmao

[winter dagger]

i guess nobody understands how much more versatile the bc is now more than the tvp. I'm saying they're equal pre nerf tvp -> current bc, im saying bc is too strong rn because of its versatility right now, and the tvp was the premier fast clipper, but it doesn't have the same functionality as the tvp, im comparing the two in terms of how they feel to play against. Yes skill ceiling is higher on bc because its a light with 6 deg of gun depression, but in terms of how they feel to play against when a good/skilled player plays the bc, its not fun because they outspot you in every way, while not doing as much damage, you're basically more prone to taking damage because > spotted. Tvp was similar but spotted by the tvp, you just took full damage from it without needing to rely on spotting damage from the team. The bc will never be a tvp, but it feels as dumb to play against in some aspects as a tvp

[stone drum]

bros still complaining about the suffering french tech tree actually having a competive tier X

[acoustic estuary]

France isn’t supposed to be viable! Urh durr!

[clear shuttle]

problem with the bc vs tvp is i find the tvp was annoying whenever cus literally any player could use it and get a clip off being annoying
i find the bc most annoying when an actually skilled player uses it because all it becomes is a 1050 clip tank running around the map that can easily pick up 1000< hp targets and easily re position to bleed other players

[winter dagger]

i dont want a toxic tier 10? i hate clipper metas its so boring, back when t57 and tvp reigned supreme, i played in my 215b and had far more fun for far more brain cell usage. But bc is very competitive yes, in a pub match however its too good at its "light tank role" and far surpasses the other tier 10 lights, which is stupid. ALL 4 OTHER tier 10 lights are subpar versions of their med counterparts, aside from the sheridan thats a 50/50 chance of working in a match

[stone drum]

"I hate France and since I cant play against an unarmoured light with low dpm, I want it nerfed"

[acoustic estuary]

If you really played 215b b-c wouldn’t be an issue at all. Lmao.

[winter dagger]

dpm on a clipper is funny, but the french nation deserves some love (foch and amx m4) the bc got a dumb change that good players abuse too well, and it gets boring when a tank gets abused too well, I'd rather have complete outliers like the t95e6 and fv215b rather than generic tanks like the is7 or the sconq even though those generic tanks are far better in many regards to the outlier tanks @acoustic estuary bc has a provision and it's called spall liner which is very fun and negates all risk of being punished harshly by hesh/he

[stone drum]

The entire purpose of light tanks is to elevate the ability and offer a reward for the skill of better players.

Again, BC is balanced out by its low hp + low dpm combo in a high dpm meta.

The changes B-C got:
Making the stock gun relevant
And giving the 105mm proper alpha were excellent changes that certainly helped it.

The viewrange changes werent really necessary but they dont really have a profound impact due to the extrêmely small size of blitz maps.

However this all plays into the trend of blitz players ignored absolutely busted Heavies and tds to in turn hyper focus on the few good mediums or lights until they get hammered into the ground.

[acoustic estuary]

215b will stil out dpm by a fair share B-C even if s-l is used, and the 215b turret is pretty a hard pen for B-C so i don’ see why u complaining. B-C for once gets glory so let it slide.

[native folio]

Annihilator is just broken, IMO needs nerf

[winter dagger]

premium tanks cant be nerfed, only "collectors"

[pseudo mulch]

can u pls buff the obj 140 avrg dmg to 330 - 350 pwease ty 😂

[clear shuttle]

never had 330 in the first place

[stone drum]

WG casually turning premiums into collectors then nerfing them

[native folio]

T-34-85 Rudy screaming

[winter dagger]

cries in is3 defender

[nimble zodiac]

I think they meant something like 330, 340, or 350, not “from 330 to 350”

But it’s such a cracked medium rn, it does not need it

[clear shuttle]

oh 💀

[stone drum]

Honestly best solution:

Remove small liner & clip reload booster. Both are unnecessary.

don't use the anyways lol

@orchid grove I'd rather not have .355 dispersion on a light tank, thank you.

[orchid grove]

Nah; the best solution is to make it a medium with 5x350, and nerf the DPM down; as well as the accuracy

[winter dagger]

i'll just play wot pc instead

[winter dagger]

cracked in the good hands, ever since my leo vs obj 140 debate ive come to love it because its just that much more challenging to play than a typical med

[barren goblet]

In terms of server winrate both are worst tX meds. But they do work if good player tryhards.
140 has a problem that it offers nothing over leopard (doesn't get HE penned I guess)

[stone drum]

Honestly it's good to see though, I'm glad that for the first time in ages mediums are legitimately relevant in-game. Balance in tier X is by no means perfect, but it's definitely improved vs post 9.1 era.

[nimble zodiac]

Granted, I only played 9 battles to try it out, and it's crazy how often people ignore it and shoot allies instead, while I get to rip and tear

[floral atlas]

Why is 114sp2 so garbage? Worst gun in tier 10; nearly no armor(Even the front hull armor is weaker than the Tier 9 114.), about the same mobility as E100. Frequent low damage from hit, Very easy for ammo racks to explode. So what's left of it? Just looks good? Having a lot of hp creates income for the enemy team? It's pathetic.

[nimble zodiac]

Aw man don't you just hate it when one specific tank you played recently fell into the +0% to -25% damage roll range, unlike all other tanks that have +/-25% normally?

[floral atlas]

Honestly I can get over the damage roll range, but this tank is just a piece of ....

[nimble zodiac]

Metal, I'm sure

[sweet skiff]

it’s good because of its armor. the turret armor is great, ranging from 365-380 when hulldown, and the upper plate is also quite reliable.

[floral atlas]

U mean around 320mm side front turret armor.

[solid sequoia]

This is how it stacks up against the other heavies with higher alpha damage. As you can see, it’s right in line with them. Is it worth the money? No. Is it bad? No.

(For those of you who are going to ask where the VK72 is, I didn’t include it since it’s playstyle is drastically different to the three I compared)

The only thing it really falls behind in is the accuracy. While on paper it looks similar, having the worst base accuracy + most acceleration means that when the gun blooms the reticle is going to get quite large, which will make the tank feel less accurate.

[floral atlas]

Yeah, it's too pathetic to be worth the price. Even this upper front armor is not as good as the wz114 on flat ground, and that's with a 319mm AP.

The E100 and 60tp, both tanks have some part of armor that's trustworthy. The 114sp2 can't fight in the front lines at all, it's more of a flanking support tank. However it's gun accuracy sucks.

[stone drum]

Buyers remorse:

[floral atlas]

LOL

[wispy leaf]

114 better better than SP2 in armor comparison?
good thing i got 114 for free

[floral atlas]

X WZ-114
IX WZ-114 SP2

[cunning socket]

Reverse lol

[uneven vine]

Type 57 Mecha and S.Conqueror

[wide badge]

Regretti

[burnt venture]

Imagine just discovering that:

• black friday tanks are way worse than Christmas auctions
• black friday tier X tanks are way more expensive than Christmas tier X tanks
• 114 SP2 is completely redundant and adds nothing new to the game

Lastly, this black friday is basically a scam to skim money from uninformed players. That pretty much sums up the entire event, from the black boxes to the terrible tanks on offer to the dumb draw with the tickets to the terrible reward tank selection

[stuck acorn]

bbbb... but nnn,.. new tonk!!!!! me need to have it

Oh no, how did it turn out that it's absolute garbage? It's not like it was know from the beginning, screw WG scammers!111!!!!!1!!!

T95E6 for 13k gold is actually an amazing offer though @burnt venture usually BF has at least 1 or 2 offers worth buying. It's not like it makes the whole event any less of a scam, but at least there's that

[pseudo mulch]

How much is blitzfair normally especially the tier x? I'm planning to buy the gold in black friday sale currently and save it. Unless its cheaper to buy gold near or in blitzfair since they could have extra gold deals idk

[leaden flare]

I mean technically u get the bf tank on top of Christmas and birthday gold preparation 😂
Stupidly expensive nonetheless
But if U use the x2s on all platforms steam/GP/wgc u end up with about 260k gold for ~ 354€ and the bf tank 😂

No idea how U realistically can spend 260k gold without doing a stupid amount of gambling

[cunning socket]

E6 and vk90 are an excption rest is agreed

[drowsy plaza]

It’s a hulldown tank. You need to play it that way. It’s boring and not enjoyable IMHO but not awful.

[thorny timber]

you are the only one.

its one of the top t10 tanks right now if you use it correctly

[winter dagger]

It's the leopard of heavies

[void siren]

3300 dpm:

[unique scaffold]

Yes you are the only one

[cunning socket]

It looks okay. It’s not meant to be played as a heavy- just go medium side and bully reds with your high dpm and speed

[twilit crystal]

So basically similar mobility and firepower but much worse armor(aka bad)

[burnt venture]

the thing is you could just play 60TP and it would look like that regardless of gun depression

[winter dagger]

good accuracy:

[floral atlas]

Hull down but it only has a 7 degree angle of gun depression and only barely defends against 330mm ap. Then they start using premium ammo and 114sp armor usually become completely useless against the deeper penetrating tds and even heavies with 374 heat🤣. Focus on the side fornt turret armor（ In full gun depression, it can only protect against AP shells with a penetration of 320mm, APCR with 345mm penetration, and HEAT with less than 366mm penetration.）

Many more options for playing hull down rather than the 114 SP 2, which may seem good on paper but is challenging to perform well with in practice. Its unreliable turret armor, poor gun handling, and inadequate gun depression really cant get u a good feel for the tank.

[real bison]

it being a TD on PC should basically tell you that the SP2 is a more support oriented vehicle, which it is, imo

if aeson is correct, (which i dont doubt), the SP2 once was capable of 3k HP

[winter dagger]

used to have 2850 base hp but they nerfed it? well dont get it now cause its overpriced and 60tp exists but yeah

[stone drum]

He's right, I remember seeing it with 3k.

[drowsy plaza]

Well IMHO the 60TP still needs a heavier hit with the nerf bat.

[stone drum]

In what aspect?

[burnt venture]

TD MM at its finest (your team just has 3 extra heavy tanks):

[remote gate]

Then the enemy team gets double Grille 15's and a 183

[leaden flare]

Enemy team gets 2 meds 2 lights instead 😂
And now it's a roulette on which map U get to determine if U win or loose

[main grotto]

which one of these is the better heavium, E6 or Strv K?

[fickle shoal]

E6, pre 10.3 it was a little closer a matchup

[acoustic estuary]

Skill issue ngl.

[main tulip]

not really for this channel, but yeah big boss could use some changes

[uneven prawn]

I really don't know where else to put it where it could get some attention but it really does need to be looked into hopefully it gets the attention it needs

[stone drum]

#big-boss

[native folio]

M7 Car is OP

[stone drum]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-joker-2008joker-gif-27536830

[wispy leaf]

cant wait to see 3 183's in a fun mode

[ember mountain]

Ooohhh yess free DMG

[unique scaffold]

Nonoo

[real bison]

it should not be able to reverse at -20kph

make it -13kph with gear oil

[proud abyss]

Sigh, mad games

[winter dagger]

3 fv183 in grativising goes hard

[verbal stone]

Hey wargaming maybe you should makes some changes to the is7

[thorny timber]

then gives it is3 levels of armor and then they say it is ruined too 😂

[stone drum]

So like -8kph without anything...??
Honestly just remove gear oil at that point

[tacit heron]

Yeah like autoloader gun system

[verbal stone]

I was focused on the 60kmh top speed

[tacit heron]

Yeah i know but i say real IS-7 gun not wargaming IS-7 gun

[orchid grove]

IS-7 isn’t an autoloader in real life. It’s a manually operated mechanism that helps line up the shells. It’s closer to a “ready rack” if you will.

[verbal stone]

Ya the soviet auto loaders weren't as common in the old models of tanks. They really stated to get popular in the late models of t54 tanks and got more popular from there

[stone drum]

Neither T-54 nor T-62 ever had an autoloader.

[verbal stone]

Oh I dunno I read an article about it awhile back saying those where first tanks they used to experiment with the new autoloaders

[stuck acorn]

It's WoT, not WT, don't expect literally anything to be based on history in this game.

IS-7 with 60kph top speed would be just busted

[verbal stone]

You don't need to crush my dreams like that lol

[stone drum]

Dont worry, you would never reach it anyways.

[void siren]

It’s a ploy to get the 80 km/h gravity mode is-7

[verbal stone]

Also while I'm here why doesn't the isu152 have that MG on top?

[ancient rampart]

Because how else will you bait your player base into buying skins or attachments

[orchid grove]

IS-7 goes 60 on PC. You just never hit that speed, but it is 60

[stuck acorn]

PC and Blitz are 2 completely different games.

Even though it would hardly ever hit 60, it could easly go 50+ downhill which is still way to fast for tank like this

[unique scaffold]

I would really like to ask you to consider a buff for the SU 130 MP because almost all of its colleagues on Tier 8 are better than it, for example in terms of DPM or Penetration, this tank does not stand out much from the others
And it is not considered as a tank worth buying, you don't even see this tank in many battles because no one plays it, Time Flies and Hurts this tank very much

Other tanks have better DPM, Rate of fire, Reload and other things

[stone drum]

Su-130pm casually just being a better Skorpion G, the best selling premium in wot

[unique scaffold]

I don't think so
Skorpion G is better with almost all aspects Su 130 have only more mobility but it's no necessary to TD's

I don't know how is that possible to su have better selling than Scorpion it's black magic for me, but why is no one playing on this tank if it's better for sale

I would gladly exchange SU for Skorpion and I wouldn't regret it

[acoustic estuary]

Su being fast and low profile, skorpion only wished.
Should also say that the upper plate lucky bounce regularly.

[tacit heron]

T-62 115mm gun when?

[real bison]

please never cook again

130PM has camo, decent mobility, -7 gundep ( its direct competitors, the Skorp, and 12.8cm Borsig both have -6 and -5 deg respectively), good aim time, has an autobounce upper plate, is harder to HE due to its lower profile

not to mention that according to Blitzstar's 30d stat tracker, the 130PM outperforms the Skorp and 12.8cm Borsig

[queen geyser]

yea problem being that blitzstars tank compare that Skorb G is a house and 130PM can actually hide

which is why I would say for a average player 130PM is alot better because easier to play, but yea Skorb has the better gun

[stuck acorn]

SU is still better. Skorp may have better gun on paper, but in actual combat SU can use it way more efficiently.

It's just miles better. In fact scorp's gun is only marginally better, with only gun handling being a difference worth mentioning. SU on the other hand is significantly better in everything else besides horizontal traverse and top speed maybe

[main tulip]

Skorp is better than the SU. The full traverse turret makes a bigger difference than you might realize

[stuck acorn]

It really isn't. Sure, full turret traverse is a nice thing to have, but as long as your traverse is good enough and you have at least partial turret rotation, it's not essential. You can easly work around that

[rigid oyster]

Dude why buff a tank that doesn’t need it

[rigid oyster]

Buff the poor grille 😭 just give it back same alpha or buff fv215b speed and remove de super speed boost or could be change back e100 now is stupid the reload as always wg wanting to change stuff randomly just to make player interested in other tank that needed buff but the completely either broke them or just change something stupid like the amx 50 b imo that tank was perfect before even de 4 shell

[ancient rampart]

The SU130 PM does not require any buffs
It’s already a very solid tank
Really accurate gun with good pen and DPM for tier 8

[drowsy plaza]

Hmm yup clearly needs a buff 🤣

[native folio]

I feel like the CC56 Needs more side armor towards the front

[sweet skiff]

the armor’s already good as it is, doesn’t need a buff imo

[native folio]

on the side-front-ish, like on turret side and the front of the sides

[sweet skiff]

that would make it overpowered then, and nobody likes overpowered tanks right? the sides don’t need a buff at all, as you can just hide those either through sidescraping at a right angle or just exposing your front and never exposing your sides or rear. (this also applies to other tanks)

[native folio]

Sidescraping is impossible in it

[clear shuttle]

because its not a side scraping tank, its a head on type of tank

[solar cosmos]

which should i go for grille or obj 268 i have both t9's

[void siren]

It’s a hulldowner

[ancient rampart]

Get the 268, The Grille has been butchered

[short gyro]

Vz55 is easier to kill than M6 Yoh

[nimble zodiac]

I think tank compare doesn’t account for tank modules, so 12.8cm Borsig makes up a low population biding to its statistical performance, which mainly comprises 15cm players

[glass sandal]

Vz have better armor

[topaz geyser]

[barren goblet]

Since this channel is quality lately and has some amazing discussions, increase angle on progetto 65 upper plate, bouncing only half the time isn't enough.

[real bison]

run enhanced armour

[barren goblet]

Should I drop camo net for it?

[cunning socket]

Why do you run camo net on it💀💀

[tawdry spire]

devs pls buff hull

[orchid grove]

They need to buff the turret back to how it was pre-PBR where it was totally invincible

[hallow oracle]

What app/website is this?

[orchid grove]

Armor inspector. It’s an app, or you can go to armor.wotinspector.com

[tawdry spire]

tbh the devs should give the IS-3 its 20mm roof pannel weakspot back and make the hull impenatrable to standard ammo and premium shells make the hull 100% penetrable (HT standard and premium mediums is a different story)

[barren goblet]

To not get spotted when I support my TDs with sniper fire in my progetto65 ...duh

[cunning socket]

Why are you sniping with progetto😭😭?
And you’re a medium tank- you don’t get moving camo bonus of lights? View range is the best.

[barren goblet]

That's why I need better frontal armor. To bounce some shots since enemies can't aim that well at large distance.
Progetto could really benefit if upper plate was always autobounce and 300mm mantlet armor

[vague carbon]

You shouldnt be playing in the back with the TDs most of the time in a progetto 65 and those buffs you want are crazy

[cunning socket]

Its already troll and plus you got a speed and dpm buff now. Progetto was never intended to have armour. Speed and auto reloading is its strength.

[main tulip]

They should make the tracks on the front count as 20mm of armor like on PC

[barren goblet]

Is3 needs better aimtime or movement bloom reduced... It would be workable if you didn't have to aim for 10s after moving ...and that gun doesn't hit anything if not fully aimed , even then you miss a lot

[thorny timber]

please just rebalance tier 8 altogether,the power gap between the strongest and the weakest tanks are pure chaos

[barren goblet]

Issue is aside emil1, 53tp, cc64 ,tiger 2 who can somewhat keep up with non tech tree tanks... Everything OP is premium or collector, wargaming made a mess that's hard to fix

[humble depot]

Hey, don’t forget the Chi-Se! It’s good too!

[drowsy plaza]

Tier 8 land of the over performing premium tanks

[stone drum]

Clearly the Somua SM is Überbroken wayyy better than that crappy t77 or pathetic Emil 1951 & Emil 1!

[barren goblet]

It's french so needs a nerf anyway
Kv5 surprises me, guess wg won't sell it cheap anytime soon like previously

[proud abyss]

What is that CC tank, I didnt know there was an italian premium TD

[drowsy plaza]

That is the Tech Tree on the Mino line. There are some TT tanks in that list.

[ancient rampart]

Why are you running camo net on a Progetto

[winter dagger]

Why is the kv5 so high up, and the 274a, weren't people saying those tanks aren't good? (I don't own them)

[real bison]

low amount of players

[umbral flax]

Recommend a player for replays on Android

[winter dagger]

nah kv5 gonna be sold in the good 5.5k gold bundle watch

[orchid grove]

Tanks that eat shells actually tend to do better than people think at a grand statistical level. Tanks that have reliable armor don’t get shot at as much, because people can see they’re all red. Tanks like Maus or KV-5, people think they can easily pen, but then bounce half their shots because of RNG have an outsized impact on the game by actually getting people to waste their shots.

It’s that very unreliability though that causes people to say they’re not good, since it’s a lot more RNG/enemy dependent, and makes it harder to reliably play around that sort of armor scheme

[queen geyser]

high alpha + stupid armor = average playerbase does well in it

[stone drum]

Just look at AMX-30b vs leopard 1.

Leopard 1 gets tunneled way more.

[main tulip]

I think he's trying to suggest that tanks with good, but not unpennable, armor tend to do well because people will shoot at them and then get screwed by RNG.

Neither AMX 30b nor Leopard 1 fit in those categories

[winter dagger]

so thats why the 252u is second highest after all these years, that side armor is doing all the work

[orchid grove]

Yeah. There’s all this talk about tanks like Shark, and Emil, and Tiger II, but 252U has never lost the one thing that makes it broken. The fact that you can practically sit side on to people and still bounce half of their shots even when they aim

[unique scaffold]

KV-5 superiority

[main tulip]

Both tier 8 Emils are overrated

[queen geyser]

because if u have 3 braincells that a DPM hulldown heavy needs, they get so much stronger and flexible then a 252u

[orchid grove]

@main tulip IMO Emil’s stopped being relevant once T32 and Caernarvon got HP provisions and reactive

@queen geyser Not enough skilled players play 252 to get a good feel for the data, but at least for 62%ers (pretty much the highest skill level that has enough players to tell on 252) it still outperforms Shark for example. Armor doesn’t only benefit bad players

[queen geyser]

I wonder why

[main tulip]

I mean he just explained how having troll but non-invincible armor has the effect of baiting enemies into shooting you, only to fall victim to RNG. Whereas a hulldown T54E2 will just be ignored completely

[queen geyser]

Interesting

[winter dagger]

reminds me of a certain IS tank at tier ten that also has black holes for side armor 🤔

[remote gate]

Funni IS-7 side armour moment

[stuck acorn]

Nah, it isn't as much of a problem now. It used to be a nightmare back in the days though before they nerfed spaced armor on it.

spaced armor on IS-7's sides used to be 3 times thicker back in the days. Only perfectly aimed shots could have even a slim chance to pen it if enemy made his effort to move around of course

[winter dagger]

true but now it has a better gun than before so idk 🤷

[orchid grove]

@winter dagger Nah, that was the most overrated nerf of all time. It went from 15mm to 5mm. The spacing was still enough to block HEAT shells, and kinetic shells still ricocheted off the well angled primary armor.

And it’s a moot point now anyway because PBR gave the IS-7 30mm side screens

[stone drum]

The point is AMX-30b has troll armour, leopard does not.

Consequently the Leopard gets tunneled way harder.

@main tulip well yeah, but he didn't mention paper tanks.
The point is 30b gets ignored like the over armoured tank in favour for the leopard.

[main tulip]

But Posit1ve's example involves the troll armor tank being more focused, so your example feels a little out of place

[winter dagger]

Its more like people will shoot at a tank with a 50/50 chance of penning more often rather than a tank with 0% chance of penning, like im not gonna shoot at a concept 1b's hatch, but I will shoot at a wz 113's hatch because one has a slightly higher chance to pen, for meds its like i'd rather shoot the stb's hatch over shooting a t62a's hatch, although there is an exception with the sheridan's massive amounts of spaced armor. Also there's the tvp's mantle that people love too shoot too

[clear shuttle]

i feel people shoot the leopard regardless because they know its paper and almost a guaranteed hit

[main tulip]

concept hatch on flat ground is actually fairly easy to hit, I think I've penned them more than 5A hatches

[winter dagger]

me when obj 140 gun mantle eats a 183 shell 👀

[clear shuttle]

:xdd:

[tame shale]

BUFF THE GRILLE PLS

[kind anvil]

Gys you will not believe

[edgy trout]

I bought keys worth 4,500 gold, opened special chests, and got a tank tornvagn Before the problem of 50,000 gold happened, and after that the tank was withdrawn, and I want it back

[winter dagger]

You cant, took advantage of the 50k gold in order to get the tank, you most likely have the same amount of parts as before you bought those keys, so buy it legitimately this time, almost 99% of the player base didn't get the "bugged" background profile anyways

[wide badge]

Probably send a ticket to WG, also I heard that they're compensating people with 5k gold who lose something else before the 50k gold background incident

[true saddle]

Where did you find this graph?

[potent stratus]

https://blitzanalysiz.com/

[tulip fog]

plz buff the is 7 line a bit, this line is so hard to grind(buff the tier 6 to 9)

[clear shuttle]

all the tier 9 needs is turret armour but even then i think its very solid rn

[remote gate]

How about no

[tulip fog]

just a litte bit more armour and aim time?

[clear shuttle]

is-8 dosent need aim time, tier 7 and 8 maybe

[wintry spruce]

KV-1S is kinda ok (its T6 idc)
IS got a buff and its currently good
IS-3 was always a solid T8 Heavy
IS-8 is actually an underated vehicle. I like it🤷‍♂️

[tulip fog]

nah i disagree cuz the is 3' aim time is suck and the is 8's accuracy like it's trolling us, it always miss eventhough i already aimed and the kv-1s and is in my opinion i think these need a bit armour that's all (also the tier 8 and 9)
also the kv-1s still got a bit ammoracked by somehow lol

[unique scaffold]

If you're getting trolled by IS-8 accuracy oh well

[tulip fog]

is 8 accuracy + rng =

[unique scaffold]

Like you're not really sniping in that thing ofc, rather you're playing as second line of attack because no armor. So once your teammates start taking shots/your enemy has shot once then you can very easily poke out and utilise that 2.8k DPM you have lol

Also I don't have shot accuracy rng so idk what you're talking about

[tulip fog]

bro is 8 can't snipe ofc but if you play second line it still has some miss, so they need to buff the is 8 gun a bit it will be a good tank

[unique scaffold]

Apart from enemies being too far from your line of fire or shooting on the move I don't see any situation you're gonna miss in an IS-8

You sure you using equipments right

[drowsy plaza]

Play the IS-8 as a medium killer it’s really not that hard. The turret is solid and that’s all you need for that role.

[keen flame]

happy Thanksgiving

[tawdry spire]

the IS-3 is not a solid vechile and iam grinding through it to get the IS-7 rn so just buff the hull armor to a level where it ids imoenatrable to standard but penetrable to premium and to compensate for that add the 20mm roof pannel like the IS-3 in WoT

[drowsy plaza]

The IS-3 is a heavium. You can’t rely on the hull armor. Just the turret. Don’t go to town and use terrain.

[tawdry spire]

alr so the IS-3 has only -5 depression and most of the time from my experience i couldnt use the ridge lines with my poor gun depression even using that tactic on most ridge lines i dont have enough gun depression

[drowsy plaza]

You can manufacture gun depression artificially by using terrain and your tank.

[queen geyser]

huh and thats why in my opinion IS3 sucks balls, but you can work around the gundepression, you can on some maps "create" gundepression by using terrain, however I absoluly hate the gun, but I love the gun on the Is8

[tawdry spire]

the IS-3 and IS-8 both have 5 degrees' of depresion BUT the IS-8 is taller so on certain ridgelines it can do it while the IS-3 cant

[queen geyser]

this btw isnt even a IS3 kekw

[stable gulch]

Nice wz you got there xdd

[tawdry spire]

ik but it is the best example i can give also i found that image on this website https://guidesblitz.com/using-ridgelines-without-gun-depression/ i didnt make the picture myself

[tough shell]

Is3 is dogwater, defo the least enjoyable tank of the line

[winter dagger]

It has tungsten now its not that bad really, just irrelevant

[main tulip]

Nah IS is the least enjoyable

[stone drum]

IS-3 is a completely irrelevant tank.

There are plenty of tanks that are just flat better.

just loon at Skoda, 53tp, obj 252u, etc.

[cunning socket]

Is5 and is6 crying in the cormer ;-;

[stone drum]

Atleast they aren't the garbage that is the TS-60.

[cunning socket]

Don’t have that tank but so far didn’t face any difficulties facing it xD

[stone drum]

It's a tank without any good or redeeming aspects.

its like a dude/girl who's ugly, poor, and dumb

[main tulip]

I mean it is a tier 8 premium, so I don't think it qualifies for the "poor" category in that sense

[clear shuttle]

the smv just makes the ts-60 irrelevant in my eyes

[gentle meadow]

Is 3 defender

[plucky kayak]

lets update t57 heavy with 4 shells like in world of tanks .

[humble depot]

Just play the AMX 50B at that point

[stone drum]

Poor as in it lacks a real valuable quality.

[winter dagger]

Just play the t28 prot, it's the same experience

[stone drum]

Thats the point. Although T28 is way better

[torpid wraith]

Nah won’t have this slander. Ts-60 isn’t amazing or anything. Solid gun, good armour and decent mobility. Perks for having a turret for a Td let alone a well armoured one. It’s nothing special but not bad. Easily better than a lot of other tds at t8

[stone drum]

The gun is completely sup par for a td.

The armour is decent at best, however the Lowerplate is garbage and the hp is excessively low.

The Mobility is absolutely atrocious, some of the worst in the tier with terrible top speeds, acceleration, traverse, terrain resistances, and raw horsepower.

It's easily amoungst the worst tds at the tier. However it differs from said tds in that it completely lacks any uniqueness of valid reason to play this.

The only way the tank could become good is if the HP is Buffed to 1500 & it gets some extra penetration.

"Decent mobility"

[icy furnace]

why are you arguing about ts 60 and is3 they are absolutely horrendous, nothing to argue about on those 2

[torpid wraith]

Yeah the pen is bad but otherwise the dpm is better than amx and t28 prot (similar alpha) it’s hp is banging in the middle not great but not poor. Mobility bad but still better than its tech tree counter part t28. You’re not cruising around but don’t have to worry about being flanked. Pen isn’t great but enough to get the job done if not run cali and still have decent dpm for the alpha. Maybe my experience in the tank was better than yours but I’d play it over half the t8 tds

[main tulip]

The HP is terrible for what it is trying to be

[nimble zodiac]

Erm just play Chrysler K

[torpid wraith]

Well by that logical for being a brawling td, the ts5, amx let alone the other lower hp tds should just be removed. 1300 is better than the 1100 range but worse than the 1400 range. It can’t be 3 shot by the is series tanks therefore it’s enough Hp. It’s literally a td it won’t have absurd Hp

[main tulip]

It's not good at sniping nor is it mobile, but it does have a turret, which completely relegates it to playing like a heavy. And when you look at it that way, it's essentially down by 500HP.

The least they could do is at least give it full alpha for a 120mm

Also the premium pen is atrocious, worse than T34

[stone drum]

Honestly if they gave it good aimtime & 100 more hp it would be salvageable.

Right now it's current state is a joke. Even more of a joke than bisonte getting a buff, but this steaming turd being left alone.

[torpid wraith]

Well if it’s immobile. Which are you more likely to get flanked in ts60, t28, Ferdinand, smv, t28 proto, turtle.
Most of those tanks are heavy style play style and are all 500 hp behind (irreverent argument everything’s behind heavies in hp)
Pen is bad but still enough to get the job done. If it had 400 alpha it would be a turreted td with 3100 dpm (extremely strong) dispersion in the middle of the pack same and smv and t28 worse than amx. Aimtime is behind by 0.09 than the t28 and smv. To call it trash is an overstatement

[winter dagger]

Ts-60 will only be good if it comes at the price of 6.5k gold, or less, because you get a better experience with other tds that actually do Something (smv is currently best turreted td with NO downsides apart from a turret that doesn't go all the way), and ts60 is pretty bad when you get a similar experience in tech trees

[winter dagger]

The only td I've seen with heavy play style is smv, the others have a "heavy support" play style as they by themselves cannot hold an angle/corner. I believe the ts60 does this but not for the price it's sold at when you have good free options that does it's job. Ts60 isn't trash by any means, but I'd rather play a t28 or t28 prot rather than the ts60 since they're very alike (t28 prot has 1.4k hp iirc)

[stone drum]

What are you even saying.

[scenic olive]

I do hope they fix the hp issue with tds at tier 8 if or when they rebalance the tier. Tds like the wz 120 are forced to be passive since your basically a 3 shot to all 400 and above alpha heavies and a 2 shot to some tds. I don’t understand why they can’t give them the same hp as meds, because that’s how most tds are in tier 10 some, even have near heavy tank levels of hp(jg,wz 113gft). I just think all aggressive tier 8 tds should have a minimum of 1450 hp but the passive ones like scorpion g can have like 1250.

[torpid wraith]

What don’t you understand

[winter dagger]

Wz 120 is so bad on hp when I play it, give it at least 1.25k hp because it's really only good against meds nowadays, which can be fun but should work against heavies somewhat too

[stone drum]

I do not understand your use of punctuation.

On an unrelated note however, I believe If the TS-60 received a decent 155mm gun it would be an excellent tank.

[torpid wraith]

It’s discord and Iam typing on a phone of course my punctuation gonna be off. Yes I agree a derp gun would make it excellent

[stuck acorn]

Why buff literally the best performing T8 TD? Sure, this stat is a bit biased since mostly good players own it, but nobody is stupid enough to argue that it needs a buff...

I could agree on something like ISU 130, Ho RI etc getting more HP, but not WZ 120

[winter dagger]

It's not the best t8 td? It has really fallen off a cliff when the smasher can take half its hp in one shot and you tickle it back (ok not best example I use different one) or like how a t49 splashes you in the face for 200 dmg and you cant even shoot them because your gun has garbage aim time relative to the tank's play Style, not to mention the horrible 6 deg of gun depression and average gun arc, I can't find it useful anymore except against bad players (which there is a lot of in pub games). And best preforming my booty, look at the tech tree smv. AND THE WZ has only been sold for money, never gold so yeah, pick the free tank or the overrated, expensive and power crept one.

[main tulip]

Ngl I would take Ferdinand over TS-60 any day of the week. It's better in every way besides DPM and the turret, but the gun arc is quite good on that tank anyway

[torpid wraith]

Bro gonna die to module damage. That engine gonna burn baby

[main tulip]

At least I'll have done some damage back, because I don't have subpar alpha damage, subpar gun handling, and subpar penetration all in one package

[stone drum]

Keep the current accuracy stats, but lower the dpm to like 2.45k then slap on the classic 640/560/960 alpha set up. Change the shell layout to APCR/APCR/HE with 1000/1400/700 for funny. Instantly perfect tank.

[winter dagger]

Oh yes finally I can challenge the Caliban!!!!!!!!!

[stone drum]

Possibly.

However it would be fine due to TS-60 having only like 50mm of HE pen. He Pens would basically never happen.

[stuck acorn]

just use it's armor and gun lol. It may not be objectively best anymore, but it's still best/one of the best performing in few categories and VERY, VERY FAR from needing a BUFF

You literally ask for the buff to a tank that was the best one of it's class on it's tier and even the best of it's tier not only in it's class for years, just because it's not best anymore.

It's still a very good tank, just not stupidly broken

[oblique fiber]

Balance the obj 252 so that you can actually pen the side of it

[stuck acorn]

sounds like a skill issue, object 252 doesn't even have troll sides, just shoot over the tracks lol

[oblique fiber]

Bruh it's armor is stupidly armored and shooting over the tracks is such a sniper shot with the tracks plus stupid premium and Russian biases apply

[stuck acorn]

just aim bro

Also thanks for noticing that armor is armored, i wouldn't know it by myself

I advise you to take some additional english lessons before entering discussions

[oblique fiber]

Just making sure you were up to date in your English lessons lol

[clear shuttle]

no because its armour is the only thing going for it

[ancient rampart]

Don’t shoot the spaced armor on the sides