tank-balance-discussion

[ember idol]

Premiums won't be nerfed

The way to do it is let time go by

[slender knoll]

hum the prem and collector in T10 have be nerf and buff so T8 its the same

[remote sluice]

funny how ppl wants the action x nerfed when the tech tree variant is packing 3k dpm at tier 8 while also have super consumables and good, workable turret armor

[stone drum]

???

[silent delta]

I hope to god the bz will be ass, the tanks are already bad enough to encounter in wot pc

[slender knoll]

turret armor of caer and action is different the caer you can pen very easly its just the truth the action X need a nerf the vK 90 too

[ember idol]

Collectors can be nerfed, but do show me which tier 10 premium received a nerf?

[drowsy plaza]

Technically there are no tier X Premiums. Just Enriched or Collector. All have received balance changes over the years. The EULA/ToS gives WG the right to make balance adjustments to any tank in game.

[winter dagger]

Isn't the 121b and chieftain the only tier x prems?

[distant river]

Nope there's no premiums at tier 10 at all despite them being displayed in the same way in the garage

[unique scaffold]

STB-1 Line until the STA-1 to bad in my opinion…

[gleaming apex]

bruderlllc was muted.

[ember idol]

Well the more you know...

Pretty interesting stuff ngl

[winter dagger]

????? My guy tech tree carn turret is BETTER than action x turret considering you can't pen the mantle, while 300mm of pen (on tier 9 and tier 8 tds sometimes) easily pens the ENTIRE turret of action x. Action x also has less dpm than carn while carn has speed boost and reactive Armor, I don't get how you don't know that? Tech tree is just quite a bit better than the action x Effectively. Sure carn cheeks are weak, but it's roof has more armor like 😶

[unique scaffold]

?
Just shoot the cupola it's not even that hard

[remote sluice]

my brother in christ the action x does not need a nerf, look at how much better the tech tree caernarvon is b4 making this statement. the tech tree one has more alpha, slightly less reload, 300 more dpm (3k dpm at tier 8), super consumables, and a turret that can bounce most tier 8 things. meanwhile what does the action x have? a slightly better turret that is still vulnerable to gold ammo, a weak cupola, less dpm, no super speed boost, no sandbag which means less hp, much less alpha damage, etc etc. why would u wanna nerf something that’s already balanced as it is?

i do agree on the vk 90. it is a bit too strong rn.

[proud abyss]

Entire stb line is dog water, only good tank is the tier 10

[drowsy plaza]

Tier for tier the STB has vastly improved turret armor, but the others aren’t bad at all. The STA-1 was probably the dog of the batch, but it’s not bad at all. The Type 61 became crazy when it was DPM buffed several updates ago. Sure it doesn’t have significant turret armor, but it’s got a great gun. The biggest issue for many players is that Japanese Med line has several different play styles to it.

[proud abyss]

Type 61 is basically Leo PT A then

[fickle shoal]

just without the mobility trade so you have to be careful

[drowsy plaza]

The turret can troll bounces at depression though, and with 300mm Prammo AP pen with almost 2,900 DPM. The PTA is resigned to a support role realistically, while the 61 can use depression to be more active.

[stone drum]

This sounds like an issue stemming from your inability to penetrate these tanks.

They are both largely fine currently.

Btw on VK aim just below the main lower plate, you should pen most of the time.

[winter dagger]

And then the vk angles and armor is turned into a tomato 🥲

[stone drum]

im talking about the plate below that, it's not super easy to hit, but if you do, you will pen.

[tulip ivy]

This is pain

[slender knoll]

lol big mouth then talk again give your name to see

anyway no need to debate given that this game is a pay to win

[ember idol]

Equip Cali shells and you'll get ~297mm HEAT pen which is good enough to butter through it

[winter dagger]

Then there's the stb at tier ten, best tier ten med that beats all other "paid" tanks like the overpriced carro

[stone drum]

Ok, my name is in my profile...

"Pay to win" yes, obj 140, t110e5, and WZ-113gft are so pay to win...

[slender knoll]

you are a genius you omg you need to pay to have theses tank ????? no you can search for free i speak for tank like smasher annilhator vk 90 / ONE exemple you take jg pz 4(T6) and Kryos they are same tank but kryos have more armor

[tulip ivy]

Okok thx

[winter dagger]

Vk 90 is at best, very strong and not in the the level of op, because it can be dealt with, smasher and anni argument is childish because those are obv not t10 and t7 by far is the most unbalanced tier. You are the opposite of genius for bring a broken(s) tank into this discussion, and Btw, the player makes the tank half the time, not the tank. If a tank has low player dependency it is easier to play, like the t110e5, smasher, anni, but if it has high player dependency like the fv215b, the obj 263, the Black Prince, those are harder to play hence people will get the illusion of p2w. Guess for me, how much damage will a "broken" smasher do if camping? A negligible amount. Kryos, yes is a better example, but while it has more armor, gun depression, that doesn't mean you can't play the tech tree version at all

[slender knoll]

i never say i cant play it but look jpz 4 an kryos are exactly the same tank but the kryos have in more more armor that would say you need to pay to have a better tank than a free tank T7 are not bad exemple because i would say this game is a pay to win i dont speak of level of player in the T7 if you look the hybrid have special competences, that give an advantages to free tanks its just the truth WG do the game just for money ( now but not before) and its a pay to win

[stone drum]

Well if you want to go down that route, compare Bp 44 & ARL 44, lol.

@winter dagger hear that, the hybrids have special competences, like the T-55a.

[leaden flare]

t7 still has plenty absolutely busted tech tree tanks like T29 BP Tiger I or smth like JPanther which is harder to play but still incredibly strong
sure anni and smasher are pretty strong and obviously better than most t7s yet 2 or 3 tanks will not make a game p2w

[winter dagger]

As I said, the tank only matters if both players are equal skill, and the hybrid nation tanks have some absolutely GARBAGE tanks in there like the o47, the lupus, the hafen, and t7 is extremely unbalanced because of the stats of tanks differing so much, you can take a type 62 and play it against an sp 1 c and you'll see that even though both are considerably old Tanks, one is just better because of the stats, but it doesn't mean the sp 1 c won't lose that matchup if they play correctly enough. And the kryos I say again, IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF THAT PLAYER 1. Sucks or 2. Plays it incorrectly. Yes on paper it's better, but it doesn't mean it has more dpm, if the kryos had more dpm your argument works, but because it's only gun depression and armor, it doesn't because those factors make the tank easier to play which lowers player dependency. You have a weak argument if "armor" is enough to make a tank p2w, because quite frankly, I'm pretty sure prem ammo on many tanks in t6 pen the kryos...

[slender knoll]

ok if you want. This game is just a pay to win

[leaden flare]

how about youre just too bad to make this game work
i mean quite literally all your arguments come from lowtier were things are more oriented towards fun than balance

_Slaanesh @slender knoll

[winter dagger]

Yeah and now you'll leave because you've made a weak argument, but I'll respect your opinion as an opinion and I'll stop here because I've said what I believe is correct about this game as of concurrently.

[slender knoll]

XD give your name please to see one thing,

[charred heron]

I can’t make a good counter argument so now I need to stat shame ppl to defend myself

[leaden flare]

he can gladly try to stat shame me 😂

[slender knoll]

its for see if the arguments of all of you come off a good player then have play all tanks to say that to have a great opinion or a bot then dont know the game but if you afraid i understand 😉

[autumn zodiac]

@leaden flare your win-rate is too high

[charred heron]

Lmao you can’t even understand using peak-a-boom tactics and HE spam can already counter any Action X and you still want that tank nerfed.

Talk about irony here

[solid sequoia]

Not even 75% on your 30d smh, you must not know what you’re talking about. This game is obviously p2w. Just take a look at the T-44-100

[autumn zodiac]

This game isn't pay to win

[fringe quest]

Drama 🍿

[autumn zodiac]

@slender knoll if you are having issues getting free stuff play more events and pay attention to social media for livestreams

[leaden flare]

fixed it its 75% flat now 😂
@autumn zodiac yeah i know must be because of the tanks i bought WG sending me paid actors xD
thought i could to a @ without pinging someone but oh well

i mean you should prob ask WG where your paid actors are from all i see you get a few more prems than me xD

[autumn zodiac]

@leaden flare where's my check

[slender knoll]

lol dont worry for me all my premiums was be win 😉 i just say this game is a pay to win just the truth

[autumn zodiac]

Is it really tho

[charred heron]

Ppl: Wotb is p2w!

WG, who literally gave away prog 46, AX and Cen 5/1, 3 of the best tier 8 prems for free just by sitting at your home turning on your PC monitor:

Also nice attempt to change your subject.

[fringe quest]

Can’t wait for a another round of stream crates

[autumn zodiac]

Don't forget the Globes at the end of the year, normally one can be ground out free and all the rewards are pretty strong

[charred heron]

Not to say WG is a saint, yes WG is greedy and despicable a lot of times, but they also have gave away a lot of good tanks just by participating events.

Not to mention most of the prem tanks can often be easily countered with some of the most basic skills and tactics

[fringe quest]

People whenever they see a premium tank: P2W, P2W loser
Me who got it for free by events by grinding levels and due to the fact if you get lucky get a free tier 8 perm tank from stream containers, Also holiday event can guaranteed free high tier tanks

[slender knoll]

its just the truth if you take two bad player you give at one the vk 90 and the other you give an IS4 we go see the results

[charred heron]

Source: trust me bro

[vocal anchor]

I like spending money

[fringe quest]

Like during clan event I literally got the 50tp proto for free (well the majority of us who is in a active clan) by just completing clan missions and it’s one a of strongest tier 9 heavies in my opinion

[main tulip]

You can't just cherrypick examples to support your argument. What if you put an E5 against an AMX M4 54? E5 would win most of the time

[charred heron]

Instead of cherrypicking the is4 which loses to any hts in current state why don’t you compare vk90 with actual good tech tree tanks like 60tp lmao

Or better yet how about you stop trying to prove your point with 1 vs 1 in a team game ?

[slender knoll]

all tanks are good but here i speak for the bot players because in the game there is 90% of theses players if you give an op tank to her and a normal tank at an other he go have more facility to do damage its that the problem

[main tulip]

This is literally just saying that some tanks are better than others. Which is normal.

What you fail to realize is that there isn't a direct correlation between a tank's p2w status and how good it is.

@remote sluice you said ****show lol

[remote sluice]

wanted to send this but for some reason discord said no

[remote sluice]

ah i just realized it too, no wonder why 💀🙏

should i delete that lmao i dont wanna get banned 💀

[slender knoll]

okay so its normal the Kryos and the jg pz 4 are exactly the same tank but the Kryos have more armor and we need to pay to have it ?

[leaden flare]

you can literally get that tank for free wdym, its in crates that can be bought for gold whenever they come around and gold u can get for free and a lot of gold too
soo suprise suprise its play to win

[charred heron]

I will say kryos is a ridiculous tank but have you ever seen it on sale after the battle pass? It’s not even as good as ppl think, it’s only strong cuz ppl can seal club with kryos since it’s in tier 6

Also why don’t we talk abt every other tanks in other battle passes? If you want to cherrypick this much

[slender knoll]

because for me its the best exemple its absolutely the same tank same stats but with more armor and you need to spend gold to have it

[remote sluice]

eh just let him live his life knowing the game is p2w instead of just accepting it and enjoy the game.

[main tulip]

But it's one tank out of hundreds. There are countless examples of the opposite being true

[stone drum]

Are you using a translator? If so, I would recommend using deepl.com over Google translate.

[charred heron]

Your p2w argument will be correct if WG periodically creates premium tanks that is outclass the ones before even in a same tier, in order to force ppl to buy new tanks again and again.

But so far it is not the case, heck I hate to admit it, but WG is trying to somehow deviate from that as well. Look at the newest premiums like astron rex, obj 274a, or the tier 9 tl-7-120, they are good but not op, some are even worse than a tech tree.

A few outliers like smasher, vk or AX is not enough to prove your point, especially when some of them can still be countered by using a brain. End of discussion

[slender knoll]

lol the problem is here you really think in this game the players have a brain ? they dont know use a button or aim the problem is the inegality of tank there is premiums then are very very bad and at oppositte premiums then are op WG dont focus on good tanks if you want to stay a sheep how you want 😉 (fv215B you speak and you dont know what is 279 okay good)

[remote sluice]

obj 279? 🤨🤨🤨

[charred heron]

Ig you can stay lacking a brain then, I will enjoy farming players like you with my “weak” tech tree tanks😉

@remote sluice Typo, i’m talking abt the tier 8 soviet medium prem tank obj 274a

[slender knoll]

send your name in blitz

[stone drum]

Of course he's french... 😭
crushing

[icy furnace]

strong =/= p2w

[charred heron]

Yet again trying to stat shame on ppl and change topics cuz you can’t defend your argument
Well done

Also aren’t you supposed to check and talk abt The Other End’s stats, they replied to you and you should check that out first😉

[slender knoll]

i just want to see if i talk to a player then have more than a big mouth, with the sats 😉 but if you afraid to show i understand

[main tulip]

You want me to show you my SAT score?

[icy furnace]

you can check my stats "FructoseFather" and I will tell you that action x isn't op now stfu kindly

[charred heron]

I just want to discuss like a normal person if you lack a brain to do so I understand😉

Also Pls continue to ignore every other good players here and target me😉

[slender knoll]

i dont care of others players you have start bro 😉 look all your messsages you : "ig you can stay lacking a brain then, i will enjoy farming players like you with my weak tech tree tanks" so show if you are a good player or just a big speaker i just want see i dont want the war 😉

[main tulip]

Extremely hard to take you seriously with all the wink emojis.

[charred heron]

Lmao why will I need to proof myself to ppl that can’t even understand basic mechanics and tactics like you?

You know trolls used to be actually rage-inducing back then

[slender knoll]

okay 🦆so

[scenic apex]

Is bro using chat GPT to generate responses

[fringe quest]

🤣

[slender knoll]

😂

[winter dagger]

Ok you just keep talking, my guy, your argument is like the Berlin wall, it already FELL DOWN. But no you try to keep putting it back up. This game is not pay to win, at most it's pay to play, you pay for an advantage and not for an outright win and I also recommend you switch from google translate because I hardly can comprehend the words you're typing. He doesn't have to show you he's a good player, just a knowledgeable one. I don't go around saying "I'm top 7 on NA in ratings, look how good I am!! My opinions are facts rather than what I think because I'm qualified to say it!!!"
Dude you can be 40% for all I care but making a wrong statement on a weak opinion into a lackluster argument, potentially misinforming those unknowledgeable about this game, I won't let that pass. I think you're just trolling atp, because every point you've made is extremely contradictory and flawed by nature. At the end of the day, the kryos is a tier 6 tank, the is4 is one of the worse ht in t10 overall, so why didn't use a real tank thats great right now to compare the vk90, like the vk72?? Truly a troll of all time

[slender knoll]

off too many to read lol that close now

[winter dagger]

And here is the broken english again. I recommend using an chat bot and translator to try and show me if you are able to back up your arguments, because it seems to me you really can't

[stone drum]

It's more like the Flanders fence imo.

[clear shuttle]

i payed for the t-44-100 and have 31% wr very pay to win

[wooden lynx]

The game is pay to progress not pay to win, heck I could be a 40%er with a Badger and make the Badger look like a terrible tank. If you aren't skilled enough then you obviously will say the game is pay to win, but I can guarantee anyone with a braincell would say the game is not pay to win.

I'm free to play and I got my hands on a T95E6 an absolutely amazing Tier 10, and a Super Conqueror which is good. Its nothing super amazing but its still better than a lot of the heavies in Tier 10 and I'm free to play.

I could put in so much money in blitz and still come out with wr lower than 50% and I can tell there are a lot of players like that. Like they buy really good tanks but don't have the skills to play it and heck the E5 a Tech tree heavy just about slams any other heavy in Tier 10. How about in Tier 8 the 53TP, Emil 1, SMV CC-64, all amazing tanks even better than a lot of premiums.

[slender knoll]

pay to win / yes and i want play too

[tacit parcel]

Skill issue

[clear shuttle]

cant be pay to win if you got the tank for free

[wooden lynx]

I paid absolutely nothing in this game and I got all of my prems for for free

100% pay to win🤡

[slender knoll]

me too 🙂 dont worry for me im good XD

[keen plank]

If your not good at the game just say that. The game isn't p2w at all. It's all about skill. Play rating and you'll find that out.

[lone fjord]

Hell, I'm joining in, I don't play rating cause I'm still bad, and no, the game was never pay to win, I don't understand people who say that, like the concept of people dieing right away and calling friendlies "trash" or "bot". I'm sorry that you went on your own just to die, I feel like this is the same concept as people saying "pay2win" (can we also raise the CS-52 LIS frontal hull armor a tad? It was fun before it became hull down by force)

[stone drum]

Why would CS-52 lis need a hull armour buff?

[lone fjord]

its not as good as it used to be, it could stand in the face of danger and block shots, but now it cant

[stone drum]

How large of a buff do you suggest?

[lone fjord]

its currently 80mm so id say somewhere near 90mm at the minimum?

somewhere it can block shots at an angle

[acoustic estuary]

They literally changed nothing to it? And there’s no new tier 7, well, now there will be. But nothing changed. And cs 52 is pretty much fine.

[lone fjord]

then i lost my touch

[winter dagger]

Soon there will be either another broken Halloween tank or balanced one

[stone drum]

So far it looks pretty balanced, but it will definitely be one of the better traders in tier 7.

[stone drum]

AMX m4 mle. 54 should get it's AP rounds back, these new APCR rounds are absolutely trash. They don't even get the good shell velocity characteristic to apcr???

[unkempt jay]

Why wargaming destroy all french collecter ? I never play Mle after the update the Alpha and pen really piece of cake i never see a bad collector 10 tier like that bro, MLE from unique superheavy play to BASIC superheavy

[charred heron]

Some ppl I talked to in this channel for some reason believe that reducing the alpha and increase rate of fire will make amx mle more unique and fun because they believe the high alpha makes it boring

Also WG may have browsed too much reddit memes

[unkempt jay]

exactly people don't know how to play MLE and only want DPMs. The AMX with its predecessors is clearly better now I have more fun with the 60tp but hey, not the same speed or depression in short the MLE has become an ordinary tank just like the 50b.
Damn the 500-600! damage on the E100 with the old MLE I'm going to miss it.. go sell it like I sold the Amx 30b

[charred heron]

Well Amx mle 54 is still fine now. The only thing got nerfed is the alpha and also slight speed nerf. The traverse is better which helps a lot. Still wish they didn’t nerf the alpha tho…

WG wanted to nerf the armor too, but luckily they didn’t

Plus the firebird camo is so sick with pbr even if you don’t want to play it just keep it to look at it

[stone drum]

The traverse didn't really get Buffed. If they didn't change the terrain resistances it would have been better off.

[unkempt jay]

True

[winter dagger]

Not all collectors, AMX 30b feels a whole lot better cause it finally has some dpm

[analog shadow]

I agree. Uses APCR but it's velcity is so poor. And worse accuracy than clip round tanks.

[drowsy plaza]

AMX 30B is actually enjoyable now.

[shrewd remnant]

I enjoyed it before the buff hehe

[scenic olive]

the turret armor nerf was kinda disappointing for me, you get penned by heavy tank standard ammo through the gun mantlet, the 30b’s armour wasn’t really reliable before, but I understand why they did nerf it.

[snow gale]

The Amx 30b introduction into the game was terrible

[quartz snow]

Then youll 100% love the T28 stock

[unkempt jay]

Please tell me armor of t57 gets a big big buff because i shoot with MLE AP… please WG give alpha back

[quartz snow]

✨ apcr ✨

[stone drum]

Unless they fire prammo your mantle generally wont be getting penetrated, but then again, who fires prammo at a 30b?

[scenic olive]

I’ve tested in a training room, heavy standard ammo like e5 can go through the center area of the mantlet,barely, but they can. I just wish the mantle was nerfed to 290 instead of 280 so only prammo could pen

[stone drum]

I believe it got nerfed to 270 effective head-on.

[winter dagger]

Yes especially with the apartment on its turret

[scenic olive]

Oh yeah ur right, even worse than I thought😭

[hearty vessel]

T55A deserves a buff

[winter dagger]

Deserves six degree of gun depression and a better gun accuracy to make it different from the t54 at least

[hearty vessel]

Yes, or armor/mobility/penetration (?) idk. Make it unique please

[fickle tinsel]

This is actually a problem now. T9 paper tanks like the wz 132 and obj 84 are absolutely useless in t10 matches now. They just get absolutely bodied by t10 meds. T9s used to have somewhat comparable dpm to at least be able to fight back, but now that these meds all have insane dpm and alpha and buffed armor profiles you will literally get at best 1 or 2 shots out for your full health making it far more enticing for you to get yoloed and it to pay off. I literally get yoloed by t62s all the time now and bounce heat off their front plate

[burnt venture]

Isn't having tier 7 balancing at tier X so much fun lol

What could go wrong when tanks have DPM which is almost double their HP pools

[winter dagger]

So fun he heh, it makes me want to bridge ju-

[stone drum]

Insane alpha???

[fickle tinsel]

insane was only addressing the dpm my point with the alpha comment is that they "have alpha" that is a lot have been buffed to mid-high 300 alpha instead of the low 300s now. t9s just get torn to shreds in t10 matches now. genuinely infuriating because you can do 3.8k in a t8-9 match and then do 300 the next game in a t10 match because your team is camping and when you try spotting you get instantly yoloed by double t62 and die with one shot off

[stone drum]

Way more mediums got alpha nerfs than alpha buffs...

[fickle tinsel]

I just said "a lot" because a lot have gotten alpha buffs. The ones that got alpha nerfs got massive dpm buffs. My point remains the same

[stone drum]

1 tier X medium getting an alpha buff on standard round is "alot"?

[fickle tinsel]

1 medium? cs63 introduced with 340 alpha and tungsten. t62 buffed to 330 alpha from 310. 907 buffed to 320 from 310. Leopard has received multiple alpha buffs in the past which are now compounded with dpm buffs. kpz direct alpha and dpm buff with tungsten. fv4202 hesh buff from 440 to 480. wz 131 alpha buff to 360 from 330. batchat alpha buff to 350 from 310. Clearly a lot. And obviously the only reason I mentioned alpha at all was as a supporting argument that tanks received either alpha or dpm buffs to make their guns more punishing so unless you have an argument as to how the t10 med/light guns are less punishing I'm not sure what the point you are trying to make is

[stone drum]

So that chalks us up to the intimidating total of two tier X mediums getting direct alpha buffs on their standard rounds...

[fickle tinsel]

Tell me. what's the point of making a weak straw man irrelevant to my point that doesn't debunk my point in any way shape or form? Did you just realize you made a stupid argument but you're too stubborn to admit to it? I'm talking about t10 lights and meds getting more punishing guns and you irrelevantly start hyper fixating on specifically the alpha of tier 10 med only AP rounds Lol and even then you were still wrong because you said 1 originally and there were two 🤦‍♂️

[stone drum]

In your eyes, Tier X mediums getting more punishing guns is somehow a bad thing?

[fickle tinsel]

For paper tier 9 lights and meds which is my original statement???

[main tulip]

• The CS with 340 is low alpha, tungsten doesn't matter for this argument
• Leopard only got 1 alpha buff and it was by 10
• FV4202 alpha only applied to the regular HE, not the HESH

[icy furnace]

Tier 10 meds dealing more dmg = good for them
tier 10 meds dealing more dmg = bad for the enemies they are shooting at 🤯 🤯

I think wg should give tier 10 meds "adaptive gun" mechanic which does nothing when shooting other t10 tanks but when you start shooting unarmoured tier9 lights you deal 30% less dmg

[solid sequoia]

So what you’re saying is give tier 9 meds/lights enough armor to force tier 10 meds/lights to use prammo

[nimble zodiac]

These medium buffs show why the heavy buffs in the first place was a bad idea, it splits the tiers even more. Now I’m noticing a sprout of people wanting +0/-0 matchmaking due to the tier gaps.
Hopefully WG can patch that up with the tier 9 balance changes and further changes to other tiers

[winter dagger]

How many tho, I can only think of the obj 140 off the top of my head

[fickle tinsel]

You did the exact same thing as the other guy but worse executed because you said an alpha buff doesn't count if it's only 10 and tungsten doesn't count because you don't want it to count. If you can't relate what you're saying to the fundamental argument being made it's pointless to speak

[main tulip]

the point is that meds didn't gain as much firepower as you suggest, and it certainly doesn't reshape the way tier 9s fight against them in the way that you suggest. And tungsten doesn't count because superconsumables are temporary and come with severe opportunity costs, so mentioning them as a strict advantage is extremely disingenuous. I also never said the Leopard 1's alpha buff "didn't count" lol

@winter dagger M48 Patton is the only other one I can think of

[solid sequoia]

STB got sort of a nerf but the prammo got buffed so you could consider it equal

[winter dagger]

Tungsten on jag made it German 183, so yes it does matter a lot, even if for 20 seconds

[fickle tinsel]

They most certainly did and you failed to explain why they haven't. Almost every gun has received significant buffs whether in the form of alpha or dpm, and some of the most commonly played tanks like the t62 are now impossible to deal with as a t9 due to the armor buff as well. A kpz 50 with tungsten active will absolutely SHRED a t9 and your claim that the "drawbacks" balance it in any way is absolutely ridiculous

YES! LITERALLY IN THE NAME! "SUPER" CONSUMABLE! They are a straight buff! Tungsten trading away a minor repair kit is NOT an even trade!! This dude is looking as straight in the eyes and deadpan claiming the jag e100 with tungsten isn't a straight buff

[main tulip]

It matters in game for sure, but super consumables are often inappropriately depicted as a straight buff to tanks in these discussions. They are not a straight buff when you have to sacrifice adrenaline or a repair kit to use them.

I mean you just cherry picked 2 examples and I frankly don't disagree. But it doesn't apply to the entirety of tier 10 or even the majority of them

I also still think tier 9 meds fare better against tier 10 ones than most other tier gaps in the game.

A trade that is worth it doesn't equate to a straight buff, lol. It's in the name; you're still trading something away. You falsely accused me of sweeping something negligible under the rug (leo 1 alpha buff), but you are doing that very thing now.

I shred KPZs in my tier 9s because I abuse their weakness when they only run 1 repair kit.

[fickle tinsel]

No. you made a fake definition of straight buff to argue a straw man. Anyone would realistically interpret in the context of this argument that straight buff is referring to the tank being INDISPUTABLY BETTER OVERALL as opposed to DIFFERENT OVERALL. And clearly the tank is better overall but you are arguing as if the additional of tungsten only makes it different not better which is not the case!! And admitting that with tungsten it is better overall you are simply agreeing with our argument which is why all you're doing is trying (and failing) to obfuscate the points being made!

[main tulip]

I was never here to make a real opionionated argument, because I haven't noticed things being as different as you make them out to be, frankly. I was just correcting the facts that you got wrong, which strangely seem to make you very upset as well as try to avoid responsibility by insisting that most people would just interpret things your way, even though your wording is clearly off

And I have every right to fact check, so don't tell me I "shouldn't speak", lol.

[fickle tinsel]

Now you're trying to change the goalposts because you failed to tie your initial statement to the actual discussion at hand. Average wot blitz official moment

[main tulip]

Like I said, I never attempted or wanted to make a tie into the opinion side of the discussion. You're still just salty that I pointed out where your statements were wrong, which you should be grateful for as you never want to look as though you're making a disingenuous argument.

I'm not changing my goalposts, rather, it was you who became upset at my own choice of goal, and attempted to set one for me.

[lone fjord]

now* im being a neutral party but yes, you are changing the goal post for merci

[drowsy plaza]

Tier 9 tanks aren’t supposed to be able to fight tier X tanks on an equal footing. For meds their guns are lower DPM or less Pen. They also generally have less mobility and armor than their tier X older brothers. There is nothing wrong with that, as since this version of +/-1 MM was introduced both teams are balanced with an equal number of tier X and tier 9 tanks (or other tiers as relevant). This is important to how you play your tank based on the maps and team compositions.

[void siren]

Meanwhile the mäuschen

Standing here I realize~

[fickle tinsel]

my issue is that the gap between tiers has grown so large post update (for meds/lights) that you legitimately can no longer make a difference in games and you are utterly team dependant. It used to be manageable so long as you played smart and more passive but now it just feels so awful

[void siren]

the gap between tier 8 and 9:

[drowsy plaza]

I’d disagree with that assertion. It’s making you play a tier relevant position. Which use to occur in +/-2. Yes or sucks if your tier X’s are clueless, but that’s the same for any type of tank. Buffing tier 9 Meds (or any tier 9 tank class really) just makes when tier 9 see tier 8 even more vicious seal clubbing.

[main tulip]

yeah tier 8 vs 9 is a far more brutal gap for mediums than the tier 9 to 10 one you're claiming has been caused by 10.3

[orchid grove]

The gap didn't use to be this big though. I remember back in the day when the E-50M and E-50 were practically the same tank, just E-50M had 330 HEAT

[fickle tinsel]

that does not change the fact that the t9-t10 gap has become problematic for the update. Saying there is a bad gap between t8 and t9 is not justification for ruining t9-10

[main tulip]

well that's just your opinion, I find it to be a fairly manageable gap

[void siren]

Well then I’d say patch the more brutal gap first, and further nerf t9

[drowsy plaza]

I’m not going to disagree, but I don’t think it’s a bad thing at this point, as it’s not a big as some other tier jumps.

[stone drum]

V to VI 💀

[gusty elk]

Yo how much does the forest witch tank go for?

[void siren]

7.99
If you grind

[winter dagger]

the price of a battlepass

[scenic olive]

Buff amx cdc, kpz 07 just obliterated it’s entire purpose, tbh I never see anyone play it anyway

[lone fjord]

bro the CC 1 Mk. 2 stock gun sucks so badly i can hardly pen any teir 10

[nimble zodiac]

When the stock gun is bad, it means you should grind for a better one 😗

[lone fjord]

what do you think im doin

[nimble zodiac]

Intentional game design is intentional

[burnt venture]

Tier 9-10 gap is basically getting almost as large as tier 6-7, and IMO already surpassed tier 7-8.

The problems are almost the exact same.

• Mediums and lights have very high DPM, well over 1.5x and in some cases DOUBLE the average HP pool of same tier meds and lights. The gap is huge between higher and lower tier.
• Alpha buffs to higher alpha tanks means a single mistake can take away 30-40% of HP in a single shot for a same-tier enemy. If somebody mispositions it's very possible for them to go from 100-0 in all of 5-10 seconds. This is further made worse by lower tier tanks just having less HP.
• Heavy tanks still being relatively mobile compared to the majority of mediums and lights. Top tier heavy tanks barely have to exert effort to catch and kill lower tier tanks of any type.

And all of these problems are even further compounded when you add the fact that tier 6 / tier 9 tanks have much worse general stats, like mobility, armor, viewrange, gun handling, etc. outside of the firepower gap.

The DPM and alpha increases significantly decreased the relevance of tier 9s. And this is before you consider that tier 9 is filled with more worse players and more stock tanks than other tiers just due to how the economy in the game works.

Tier gaps need to exist, but lower tier tanks shouldn't be so much worse that they become a collective joke to higher tier tanks. Which is exactly what is happening now (and has been the case at tier 7 for a long time). And the MM which considers tiers and tank types separately causes an even larger issue when just having an extra tier X med could mean THAT much more DPM.

And then it also doesn't help that there are like 8 or 9 tier X tanks which are huge liabilities and basically are tier 9s taking up the slot of a tier 10

[twilit crystal]

Wz 132 players lol. Dpm of a leo pta, along with the gun depression and worse pen

[tranquil hornet]

LOL There is an easy Solution: just make the MM +/- 0 in order to have no more „big“ gaps in between tiers. Also the game experience might improve again and the skills could become more important once again then, instead of just being a tier higher unskilled player with simply more armour, more firepower and more HP, that wins a dogfight. Also it could be helpful that veteran players are able to play lower tier tanks again, in order to have some fun. (I am not referring to seal clubbing!) I mean, why are new and mostly unskilled players rushed up to tier X with all those nice cheap offers and boosters?! This fact also helped to decrease the game’s quality. By allowing that again, there could be a wider spreading of skilled players across more tiers, which also might be treated as some balancing. And that toxic language might get less, cause in case your stats went down due to a loosing streak caused by „stupid teams“, you could refresh WR by playing lower WW2 era.

[winter surge]

please make IS-4 as stong as it was previous in game .

[thorny oracle]

[nocturne mauve]

Just nerf heavies innit, no reason why they should catch up to other classes easily or turn as quickly. Also they really need to balance the amount of heavies per team by tier, it’s so frustrating when one team has 3 top tier heavies and the other team has 1 top tier heavy with 2 bottom tier heavies, the team with more top tier heavies always wins

[visual bane]

Used to think grille didn't deserve nerf. Hell nah it deserves every single damage it lost. Cringe campers in the back of the map sniping ruining every fun.

[stone drum]

💀 dont make my AMX m4 turn slower, it's already painful.

[clear shuttle]

they either actually hit their shots or die last with bottom 3 damage

[thorny timber]

that's what stings about sniper tds, literally pseudo artys

[fallow tinsel]

same turret different values?

[nimble scroll]

I suggest improving some of O-47 characteristics. here's why and how:

why: its a super unique tank that does not belong to a nation and was literally fan made, but almost nobody wants to use it because of the poor specs wargaming decided to give it, like the aim, dpm and mobility (which does not compensate the weak armor). I personally love O-47 and also think it deserves a decent buff way better than the last one, so most people will be able to enjoy it and not have to sacrifice their average damage or winrate anymore while playing with it.

how:

Depression angle: 8 -> 10

Reloading time: 7.1 -> 6.7

Mobility (its supposed to have a tier 10 engine but it barely feels like tier 8):
Horsepower: 670 -> 710
Terrain Resistance: road 109 -> 130, ground 91 -> 109, water 73 -> 91

Gun (most important in my opinion):
Aiming time: 4.3 -> 3.8
Dispersion: 0.35 -> 0.33

[void siren]

Just drop it a tier and make it a heavy

[nimble scroll]

no... please no

[real bison]

fan made? bro that was made by a real Gundam designer

same story with the WH40K tanks, theyre meant to look good, not exactly to be competitive

[nimble scroll]

fan made = not a Wargaming employee

and there are many good looking OP tanks, i dont think aesthetics has anything to do with a tank's competitivity, unless it has a poor armor design, which is something I dont suggest changing on the O-47. My suggestions are for things that go beyond external design, like aim time, engine power and tracks capability.

[wooden lynx]

Aren't they hired by WG and therefore not making it fan made?

[nimble scroll]

nope, from what ive been told, wargaming did an event where the community could design their own tanks to be added into the game, and O-47 was the most voted one. Therefore it was made by a fan, or just someone outside the creators team

[wooden lynx]

I mean the tank was made to look good but not exactly to be competitive, no?

[nimble scroll]

but why not make it good aswell, otherwise its existence is pointless... to some extent

[wicked quest]

He’s wrong the O-47 was made by a gundam designer that’s even why it’s legendary camo is named phoenix

[wooden lynx]

I know that, the very first time I laid my eyes on it I thought of the tank looking like a Gundam

[wicked quest]

I think it was also the first collab within the game second was WH40K and third was Valkyrie chronicles fourth being the scavenger and gravedigger

[nimble scroll]

So the person who designed o-47 works for wargaming?

[wicked quest]

It’s not fan made that’s a weird hill to die on all collabs are approved

[stone drum]

GUP:

[wicked quest]

I remembered that one right after but was busy gathered stuff for my shower

[orchid grove]

It's not a fanmade tank, it was a collab WG did

[vivid kayak]

get rid of the TVP T

[proud abyss]

Get good

[winter dagger]

Same argument to be made to the fcm lmao

[haughty blade]

@visual bane It’s called map awareness and reading the lineup. Not that difficult.

[winter dagger]

Lineup reading is a much harder skill to learn from the start than map awareness as you need to understand each individual tank more clearly

[thorny arrow]

Could you guys please buff the Amx 30 B for the love of god, the tank is so bad, everyone can just pen it, the thing it’s supposed to be good at it’s horrible in.

[stone drum]

So, in your opinion, what should be Buffed about it? And why?

@thorny arrow you can't just remove the cupola of a real tank though... regardless it's supposed to be more of a leopard if anything.
Then why would you want the gun nerfed??? The gun is perfect rn, why would you trade away such an excellent Armament???

[thorny arrow]

The whole point of the tank is to be like stb but a French version. The gun is excellent but that big hatch is so easy to aim at, if they can make it smaller or make it so it’s like the e4 or e3 where only certain areas can be penned. I won’t mind the gun being nerfed for that to happen. I don’t want to sit in the back of the map or play it like a Leo, matter of fact the Leo might have better armour on its turret than this tank

[fringe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/bica-imola-spin-gif-24870718

[stone drum]

I csn only see this as making the tank worse & less unique. If it was a top speed or heat pen buff i would be interested tho.

I would recommend trying out something like m60

[fickle tinsel]

absolute massive skill issue

[fickle tinsel]

That's ridiculous. It's one of the strongest t10 tanks right now period.

Basically you want an stb with better alpha 200 more dpm better mobility and gun handling. That's absolutely hilarious.

It is literally he-able hull right now. The sides are 30 mm. You just want a straight buff to the armor to make it even more broken than it already is. You make ridiculous arguments without doing any research and then wonder why you don't get taken seriously. Also I don't know why you think you even deserve respect when you ping me with direct insults and then delete your messages so the mods don't see.

[thorny arrow]

My whole point of asking for the buff was so I can play the tank as hulldown which I can’t cuz it’s big hatch, I can sit in the back and farm for 4K it’s not hard lol, I would rather play it as a hull down medium than sit in a passive position.

And as I said earlier I don’t mind having certain parts of the tank nerfed in order to see this change

[fickle tinsel]

the only two nerfable things would be the armor or mobility which would make it a weaker and less interesting tank. I don't get your point. You're basically asking for it to be an stb so why don't you just play the stb then?

[thorny arrow]

I do play the stb, I just prefer the mobility on the 30 b more

[nimble zodiac]

Then have the mobility at a sacrifice

[fickle tinsel]

you can't have everything dude. armor and gun is the stb. When the amx 30b had the better mantlet and worse gun with same mobility the tank sucked. It's way stronger now with the slightly weaker but still troll turret. You just need to be more unpredictable with your poking

[zenith steppe]

Last thing we need is even more hulldown tanks let’s be honest, with the amount of impenetrable tanks we have already we don’t really need a hulldown 30B. There are so many better ways to play that tank. Plus, with its already decent mantle it’s already pretty decent hulldown

[twin egret]

First one was the pz iv anko

[unique scaffold]

30 B is right now very decent after the last changes lol, it was never meant to be a French STB but rather a French Leo 1

Although it has like 300 dpm ish less than the German counterpart, in most situations the tank is very playable

[nimble scroll]

You people have no brains lol

FANMADE MEANS IT WASNT MADE BY WARGAMING, IDIOT

[violet island]

Last time I checked a collab didn’t mean fanmande ngl

[ember idol]

Collab=/=fanmade

Also mind your tone boy

[leaden flare]

Fan made means exactly what it says FAN made not made by company you make business with

They're just another company doing a collab for profit and exposure to new audiences

The model for blitz was most likely made by someone from wargaming with the data from wh

[nimble scroll]

I dont care what do you understand by fanmade, since the beginning ive stated that fanmade means it wasn't made by wargaming team

[ember idol]

We got the Oxford dictionary giving new definitions

[nimble scroll]

Do you use reddit often

[main tulip]

That's not the definition of fanmade, and 0-47 was not a fan-submitted design.

[nimble scroll]

bro idgaf, you got the message didnt you? theres no need to keep telling me im wrong, this is not a reddit discussion, i just wanted to propose a buff for that tank lol

[main tulip]

if you want to move on you could just admit that you were wrong about the definition/the tank's origins.

as for the buff, it should just get 240 alpha like every 90mm in tier 8

[nimble scroll]

Lmao, check your dms

[proud abyss]

@vivid torrent sounds like people were angry

[nimble scroll]

Lul, the drama is over, why ping a mod?

[wooden lynx]

Fanmade is designed by a FAN and it was a collab and therefore not FANMADE

[main tulip]

he already blocked me (after going through the trouble of DMing an insult) because he's too insecure to admit that he was wrong

[nimble scroll]

Yes i block people that insist on continuing dramas
Im not admitting im wrong, nor saying im right, i couldnt care less about "the meaning of fan made" or "if the tank was chosen by vote or a collab"
Just stop pinging me and move on to something thats actually relevant

[wooden lynx]

You got corrected, you call people idiots and now you refuse to admit you got proven wrong and choose to ignore the facts thrown at you. Smh.

[main tulip]

You wouldn't be mad enough to call people idiots and lacking brains if you truly didn't care about it.

[nimble scroll]

Yes, idiots for feeding drama on a chat that has 5min delay per message
I do care about what people are saying, but i coulsnt care less about discussing those topics.

[wooden lynx]

If you don't care why bother replying, isn't that just disproving what you're saying about you not caring?

[main tulip]

You might not care about where the 0-47 came from, but we certainly do. Your actions show that you lack respect for that, as well as for the creator who is far more than a mere fan of the game. The correct course of action would be to simply admit your error when you got proven wrong, but clearly you don't have the social etiquette to recognize that.

if you care about the "drama" you would do your best to move past it. Which you aren't doing with these statements

[nimble scroll]

do care = the drama and people blaming at me
dont care = arguing whos right, the meaning of fan made, etc.

[wooden lynx]

If you don't care about that topic then why were you replying to that topic? You're just giving them a reason to reply to you even more. If you are proven wrong, accept it. What's so bad with that, or is your ego that large to accept it?

[main tulip]

^normally if you don't care about a topic, you'd be more willing to admit if/when you were wrong about it.

[nimble scroll]

Im not admitting that im wrong, because of something ive repeated multiple times: fanmade for me has a different meaning than fanmade for you, and im not repeating that too. Each one their own.

[wooden lynx]

There is no fanmade for you and fanmade for them, it's one word with 1 meaning and Fanmade means "created unofficially by enthusiasts" on which you are also proven wrong because its a collaboration therefore that very moment they work with WG and therefore not fanmade.

[nimble scroll]

Do i care? no

[wooden lynx]

And still replying, you make no sense.

[main tulip]

does it look like you care? yes. and more than any of us

[nimble scroll]

Yes i dont make any sense, thank you. I love being like that

[wooden lynx]

That's why your suggestion is invalid because you love not making any sense smh

[unique scaffold]

?

You're blatantly wrong
Around late 2016 WG and WoTB made a collaboration with Kunio Okawara, famed anime mecha designer for Gundam series. This artist was the designer for the O-47 in the game and it also got a legendary camouflage "Mecha Phoenix" in honour of the designer.

It wasn't made by a "fan" obv, this was done as an honour to the Blitz's Japanese community who themselves were huge fans of his work in Gundam and the Brave series.

[clear shuttle]

if anything i think the dracula was “fan-made”, i think someone originally drew it or something similar then wargaming saw it then added it into the game

i could either be completely wrong or thinking about another tank (which isnt the O-47) tho

[haughty blade]

@winter dagger You only need to know four tank types.

[clear shuttle]

i think he means you need to know what each tank does
i expect a strv K with a brain to go mediums side
depending on the map i wouldnt be surprised if i saw a 215B, E6, or 260 went meds side

✨i am so high rn with these word mistakes✨

[winter dagger]

So I guess the leo 1 and e50m can be dealt with the same since they're both meds

[clear shuttle]

from now on i expect to see an strv K on heavies side because its a heavy o7!

[lone fjord]

well from what i know (i dont have the STRV K) im pretty sure the centurion turret is near not pennable, and the hull on the other hand is very weak, therefore enabling it for hull down on hills, what im saying is that its a medium mixed with a heavy turret

[clear shuttle]

most standard can pen beside the mantlet (which isnt entirely consistent) and the hatch is an option
iirc when most heavies apart from the low premium pen ones can pen the top of the turret
its slightly workable on heavies side but it works so much better on the meds side

[lone fjord]

as ive said, a medium with a heavy turret, im not saying youre wrong, im just giving details of the armor stats that i know of. i do agree for it to be more of a medium tank due to the lack of hull armor, but it still could do so much better

[winter dagger]

Strv k turret can be penned on sides next to mantle with t62a standard rounds

[hasty flicker]

T-34-3 (Chinese VIII premium tank) gun should be buffed a little bit.
My argument:
It has the worst penetration of all tier VIII medium tanks (only 175 mm), as well as one of the worst DPM at the tier. In my opinion, it is worth increasing the penetration a little, at least a couple of millimeters, in order to balance it with machines of the same tier.

[winter dagger]

It has 275mm of heat pen (with cali), all it needs is more hull armor and mobility. Standard pen on meds should be bad, not the same as some heavies (looking at you chimera)

[main tulip]

It's also quite slow in terms of acceleration, with iirc less frontal armor than the type 59

[hasty flicker]

270mm actually. And yes, I partially agree about the bad penetration of medium tanks, but 175 mm is too poor in my opinion. Even soviet mediums have higher penetration, for example, STG has 180mm.

[ember idol]

An ammorack buff could be nice for it

[drowsy plaza]

It’s not a heavy turret either. Even at max depression most meds can pen it with standard ammo.

[fickle shoal]

troll armor will be troll

[winter dagger]

Same argument said for is7 sides, the most troll sides in the game

[fickle shoal]

that isnt even troll, just flat impenetrable, i mean armor that blocks shots that it just shouldn't

[winter dagger]

Black hole armor

[acoustic estuary]

Tiger 1 :
That one line in tiger 1 side is trollish.

[vestal valve]

oh my lord

is this even allowd to be posted?

[haughty blade]

@winter dagger For the purpose of reading a lineup yes.

[slate spruce]

The halloween tank, Forest Witch would have been better off without the reserve shell mechanics

[stuck acorn]

Wow, who would have guessed?

Reserve shell mechanic is not a mechanic per se, it's just a way to nerf tanks that would be too OP with normal reload on all of their shells in autoreloaders

[slate spruce]

Well, forest witch still didnt need it

[winter dagger]

Oh yes just let me treat a grille 15 and 183 the same, because both can do big damage as they're tank destroyers. Go watch HRF video on lineup reading and you see how it's much harder than just "look at the tank role/icon"

[lone fjord]

So then it would be a medium on medium? I guess it would be a heavy gun?

[acoustic estuary]

It has Heavy’s hp.

[lone fjord]

Yea, now that I think about it, the gun was fast firing. Sorry that my thinking was incredibly wrong

[acoustic estuary]

I didn’t say that, none the less it doesn’t have an average heavy gun.

The Strv k heavy’s only feature is the HP.
That’s all i can think of.

[winter dagger]

It is a medium disguised as a heavy with more hp and weird aim mechanic

[stuck acorn]

it did. Ability to one clip majority of T6 tanks and leave T7 non heavy tanks on like 200 HP without reserve shell would be absolutely busted.

It could have no reserve shells if it had 3 shells, but that would be just boring

[fickle shoal]

(this is a joke) But the smasher can do the same thing!

[acoustic estuary]

Smasher is Smasher.

[slate spruce]

Yea, I did clip a vk45.03 for 1k danage 💀
But then, I think its dpm should still be buffed, reload timers should be reduced! The rest of the games were awful, even in the same vk battle, we ended up losing

[haughty blade]

@winter dagger I don’t need Fatness to tell me how to read a lineup. 183s are pretty much blind and have trash camo ratings. You get nuked isn’t because you have zero situational awareness. Grilled are not the most fearsome TD. Plenty better than them.

[stone drum]

Camo doesn't matter when your red-lining

[winter dagger]

Ok tell me how should I play against a t95e6 and a concept 1b if you think you're all so smart, I'm talking about how to counter each individual tank's play style in the lineup not the statistical standpoint of that tank. A 183 CAN BE FRONT LINING, SO WHAT DO I DO WHEN I SEE THEY HAVE A HULLDOWN TYPE LINEUP?? Maybe I flank but you're argument is saying just spot them. Its like saying a fv215b should play heavy side because it has armor and heavy Hp. And I know a good grille player doesn't camp, nor a 183 so based on their "camper" class as tds, reading lineup is more like reading how they will play with the 7 tanks on that team as a whole, you can camp some games if you have super heavies, and move around a lot if you have heaviums

And I'm gonna say this but if you have one med on your team and they have two meds, you're in a heavy that plays like a heavium. Do you go with heavies because you have a heavy class, or do you go with med to help because you are more of a medium than an actual heavy according to the tank icon? And if you are in an t110e3, do you camp and snipe because it's a td? Lineup reading means THE WHOLE TEAM'S LINEUP and how each tank will play together , where they play, and how they will play based on the tank's play style. An stb will be playing different than an obj140 despite being "mediums"

[clear shuttle]

guys when i see a toon of strv K and we have a toon of vk 72s on desert sands its ez wins because the vk 72s will obliterate the strv Ks when they go heavies side/town
right?

[winter dagger]

Sometimes tanks can break their play styles to make an unexpected play, like a Sheridan spotting heavy side, as the heavy you think you're safe then boom, spotted and down -560 hp because they didn't go med/light side due to their "tank class". Even a player like me for 5 years has not mastered this skill as good players can be unpredictable, like camping in a tvp and doing 1.2k dmg because I didn't think they'd play like that. Map awareness is legit "which side do I go and when should I rotate and to where???" which is extremely more simple than "okay so they have 2 heavium, and a super heavy, if the super heavy is isolated, me in my med/td can punish them, so if they're smart they'll go with heavium to med side, and I'll flank to spot from behind because they would think I'd stay on med side too (which is often the dominant side on many maps). Don't try and say lineup reading is easy because in this game exists tank classes with tank subclasses, (heavium, front line td, support td, support med, front line med, hulldown tanks, hulldown clippers, high dpm tanks, high alpha tanks, high mobility clippers, low mobility clippers, camping/snipping clippers, High mobility spotters, peekaboom style tanks, just a few I can name based on me owning all the tech tree tier tens)

[barren goblet]

Lineup reading limit is players themselves.
Just because good player would take fast tank into early good position, hulldown tank into correct part of map or superheavy to brawl doesn't mean average player will do that.
That medium platoon you were counting on to help you might snipe from spawn.
It's valuable skill and counting heavies and meds and all that, but players don't play their role half the time anyway.

[winter dagger]

Which can happen, but in general, you will get some predictable players and if you can punish them as so, you get an advantage, which can be enough to muster a win

[barren goblet]

To a degree where you don't overcommit a flank until enemies are spotted and how much early agression you can get away with.
Half the time , what tank should be there will be in some illogical spot. Ofc , some maps play similar most games and more predictable and some maps are more chaotic.

[winter dagger]

camping smasher yes good Point, I did not put that in what I said

[clear shuttle]

the best u can do is assume, then go from there

[haughty blade]

@winter dagger The way to counter any hull down tank is to simply leave it alone and focus on other tanks you can deal with at the moment. A front line 183 is perfectly fine. Now I know exactly where they are and 99% of the time they don’t last long.

Just because you read a lineup doesn’t mean that the tanks will all go where they should. It just means you know what tanks the other team has that will be relatively easy to deal with and what tank you need to be more aware of where they are.

Plenty of strong lineups lose because the team plays like 💩. Plenty of lineups that look weak can win. It’s a team game and if you get a 💩 team even Fatness can’t carry a 1 vs 6-7.

[cobalt notch]

This thing is busted after the new update

[winter dagger]

Wide amx

[stone drum]

They did a very good job balancing it.

[thorny timber]

Ok but what's up with your phone

[cobalt notch]

@thorny timber I like to play vertically

[scenic olive]

Idk, kinda wish it had 45 degrees of hull traverse, it think this is fair since they destroyed the armour

[cobalt notch]

Would be too op

[scenic olive]

5 more degrees more of traverse?💀

[orchid grove]

It should just go 65 at this point, like it does on all other platforms

[cobalt notch]

I mean it's already kinda op

[scenic olive]

Not really, I hardly even see them anymore. I guess in a good players hands, but that goes for all tanks. They can be annoying when they yolo u and clip u for 1600 but they get deleted instantly after.

[stone drum]

How??

[cobalt notch]

Already has 2500hp, 50km/h, good gun handling and 1500dmg clip with 3000dpm

[stone drum]

It has 2300hp & relatively poor handling, lol.

Its balanced by its massive size & complete lack of armour.

Its not OP nor is it close to op.

[cobalt notch]

Been abusing it recently in ranked@stone drum

[twilit crystal]

Yeah 50b deserved the armor nerf but it should have gotten 2450 hp base IMO

[fickle shoal]

casually goes 70+ with bond equipment

[hollow oasis]

well that clan is back on track now xd

[winter dagger]

How did bro find a discussion from a year ago

[turbid ice]

He wrote it in his diary

[burnt venture]

If 50 120 gets any more traverse nerfs, they might as well make it an autoloading train.

1 deg/s traverse, but goes forwards / backwards at 100kph on a 2000 HP engine with a 10x380 autoloader

[main tulip]

I'd be so down for this

[fickle shoal]

1 deg/s is asking to much, 0.2 deg/s is more reasonable and balanced

[winter dagger]

top speed nerf

[merry pelican]

💀

[queen geyser]

Just make it that it can only turn why Standing still

[halcyon matrix]

Finally a use for the train tracks in dead rail, desert sands and the other maps!

[slender latch]

just bought the stb 1 is this a decent ammo loadout?

[icy furnace]

no, you only need 5 he

[queen geyser]

why would u not take some normal ap ?

[remote sluice]

💀

[slender latch]

alpha is almost same iirc\

[queen geyser]

Makes no sense, just take some normal ap for easy sideshots for example, 10 damage more by just pressing one keyboard button

[winter dagger]

Same can be said with hori players lol "load that full prem for ez damage"

[stable gulch]

What are you trying to do with 15 HE? Cut down the whole forest?

[twilit crystal]

Id probably do 25 Premium AP, 22 standard and 3 HE, the HE is pretty poor at 380 alpha so its basically just used to farm up afks

[dusk socket]

Can you guys give swedish tech lines maybe their own language?

[junior sparrow]

Yes very nice 👍 only change it to gold ( when you spend gold for ammo it’s have more pen )

[clear shuttle]

me when 183s shoot premium HE at a grille with no spall instead of normal HE

[winter dagger]

How about we add pneumatic suspensions first

[tight cloak]

About T110e4 take back that 3km/h forward speed and give him back AP as main shell, APC is awfull decision on this machine

[remote sluice]

since when did this game have aps and apds? 💀🙏

[winter dagger]

since arty was added

[fickle shoal]

And ebrs

[tight cloak]

Miss click

[rotund skiff]

there is no difference between buying premium ammo with gold and buying it with credits

[junior sparrow]

sarcastic mode turned off ( never seen anyone use only premium ammo, this dude haves a lot of silver credits so he can do it easily )

[shrewd remnant]

<@&481447501690568709> is this allowed?

[orchid grove]

APDS has been in the game since day 1 as an unofficial shell type. Tier 10 meds APCR shells are APDS, both in the name of shell, and how they behave. "APDS" shells have less pen loss at distance, and tend to have extreme shell velocities

[next zodiac]

It has NO Armour but wg says it is a heavy... gg guys

[next zodiac]

Yeah i think the write out those shell types like hesh, aphe, Apds, etc...

[stone drum]

WG should add more intermediate caliber guns at the higher tiers. It would be nice to see some calibers like 138mm for the french, the 5.5 for the brits, etc.

[ornate warren]

İmprovement on gun sound variations would make it even cooler if it was combined imo

[ripe python]

We need a slight e75 balance. Same with e100. Decrease lower plate mm by 3-9 points and I think that’s fair, but where we are now it is very hard to pen.

[wicked quest]

Their missing out on a lot

[placid whale]

NERF IS-7 ARMOR

[humble fractal]

Its tier 9 balance for now

[glass sandal]

there is a lot of better armored tanks

[haughty blade]

@ripe python No it’s not. They are already weak enough.

[hasty flicker]

Panther/M10 should get some spaced armour, because in reality it was a classic Panther with mounted armor shields.
(If you look more closely at the tank you can see them, but if you look in the Armor Inspector they are not considered as armor).

[wicked quest]

Because it’s not armor , they mounted basic sheet metal to the exterior of the panthers it doesn’t provide any protection , even to bullets

[ripe python]

I can’t pen e75 with standard with most t8 tds. And e100 is nigh impossible for lights in t10

[acoustic estuary]

Should act as Anti HE and Heat at least.

[autumn zodiac]

Fun fact, Sherman Jumbo's skirts don't count as armor

[wispy leaf]

i still miss the original 152's gun sound , a foch 155's original 7s intra

[winter dagger]

And the two shot HE

[haughty blade]

@ripe python 😂 you are not supposed to be able to pen an E75 lower plate without pramo in a tier 8 TD nor are you supposed to be able to pen the E100 using a light tank with standard ammo! Definitely a lack of knowledge of how the game is played.

[lilac venture]

i think fv4202 need a base dpm buff for the hesh gun. because its somewhat useless right now, thanks!

[fickle shoal]

It needs PBR that fixes it's incorrect model to

[fickle tinsel]

that's why it's called a "superheavy"

[stone drum]

Most based and correct take I have ever seen in the history of this channel.

[ember idol]

Preach brother

[slender latch]

The whole point of german HTs is angling so it makes sense that their lower plate are impervious to standard rounds on MT/LT.

[stone drum]

L take

[main tulip]

why would their point being angling equate to strong lower plates lol

[slender latch]

But wouldn't angling make the lower plate stronger? Also the lower plate on the 75 and 100 are balanced is what I'm saying.

[gusty elk]

@ripe python yes

[wispy leaf]

the only tank in german heavies that cant angle normally "might" should be the 72 , u can angle , just because of the buldge it has , angling n wiggling is the most efficient way of doing it, not like the 90 or fhe maus. angling too much can make the side weaker , angling to less can make the middle bar front hull weak

[twilit falcon]

I'm getting this error again, can anyone help me?

[sour schooner]

at8 is too op

[silk root]

I'm having the same problem, so I'd be glad to know if anyone finds a way to solve it

[unkempt quest]

go to your documents and delete the folder called 'packs', should fix the issue

[mystic gorge]

nerfing a tank that's relatively balanced rn? why?

[quick lichen]

Do you normally get what you want by shouting things?

[fringe quest]

Skill issue, most of my tier 8 TDs still can pen a E75 using standard, is 245 pen not enough?????

[leaden flare]

YES OFC
-Gordon Ramsay

[ripe python]

I mean straight on with premium it can be difficult. At least the tiger 2 is ballanced in that way, you can shoot the track. But upper teirs are notZ

[plucky field]

buff Turtle Mk1 mobility and armor

[remote sluice]

armor? yes. mobility? no. u want armor? u sacrifice mobility

[fickle shoal]

pre nerf type 71:

[ornate warren]

I smell tier 8 badger

Serious answer: No.

[fringe quest]

It’s a premium, one day it will be 😅

[drowsy plaza]

The sides are totally paper though. Perhaps don’t engage a higher tier super heavy frontally…

[earnest sequoia]

why did wg had to nerf the amx m4 54 so bad

[nimble zodiac]

It’s not that bad, come on

[earnest sequoia]

i know, it can still function, but the entire point of the tank and what made it unique was the 480 alpha and good pen, in tradeoff for accurcy and mobility. After 10.3 the tank has just become another washed up heavy that isnt unique in anything, it has a higher caliber than the mouse, but deals less damage. its accuracy isnt even justifiable for how low you can roll with it. Its just a shadow if its former self and wg didnt have any reason to nerf it. it wasnt in every game, it wasnt op, it was just a unique heavy tank, now its just a average tank with horrible accuracy.

[twin spade]

anyone have a reason the m60 doesnt have increased profitability like other tier 10 premiums or collector tanks?

[hollow oasis]

now honestly i do like OBJ 140 recent gun buff and mobility it is lovely, but by removing it armor it is now a light tank, which is nice i love playing it as one, but the turret should atleast be able to bounce stuff, right now it is butter. atleast bring back the old turret, and 6 degress is still on the lower side i would prefer 7 if it not going to have any armor

[twin spade]

i cant find a single good reason to use it over the t62a

[solid sequoia]

It has the highest effective p/w in tier 10, the most accurate gun otm, and 3.8k dpm. You don’t need to bounce anything, just don’t make stupid peeks

[nocturne mauve]

It’s the best tank in the game

[hollow oasis]

that is not my point tho, the old turret on the OBJ 140 was still bad, it had a lot of weakspot, it could bounce some shots but it really didnt bounce that much on the turret right now it cant even bounce a single shell and you can get heshed on the turret. atleast make the effective armor on the turret around 230 instead of 150 at a lot of the top

@twin spade the obj 140 cant really imo be compared to the 62a because they are now so widely different

[lone sandal]

wdym by "old turret"
pre 9.1 or pre 10.3

[hollow oasis]

i would prefer the pre 10.3 turret, even tho as a person that really liked Obj 140 i think that the pre 9.1 turret would be a bit to over the top for the current tank, therefor i want the pre 10.3 turret

[lone sandal]

pre 10.3 turret on 140 would be fine i guess but i honestly don't think 140 in its current state should be able to bounce most if not all shells
but ur right, make the roof 211mm effective so it can't get heshed but also probably won't bounce standard

[hollow oasis]

exactly

[deep cosmos]

how do we get the bsc crates?

[vivid kayak]

Geez why did the is4 get nerfed this bad

[fickle shoal]

type 71 casually becoming new is-4

[stone drum]

Maybe because an armored heavy tank is supposed to be armored.... A hard concept to understand I know.

[lone sandal]

what's even harder to understand
is that wg can actually change the playstyle of tanks whenever they want! crazy i know.

[fickle tinsel]

why is your response just stating an irrelevant obvious fact as if that somehow discounts what he said in any way. People got the tank for a specific playstyle. Having it dropped on its head to be mediocre at a completely different role is a valid gripe to have

[main tulip]

They can, but they shouldn't.

[stone drum]

If you have ever played the tank before back in its heyday you would know its basically the same, but with worse armour. All they did was rebuff the Mobility and tack on a gun buff & call it a day.

What they should have done, was buff the side armour to compensate for the reduced frontal armour in conjuction with decreasing the dpm buff to more reasonable levels.

[lone sandal]

unfortunately i didn't play the is4 back in its heyday, so I don't really know what u mean by that

ultimately i think is4 is decent but still needs minor buffs to the base disp, ptw and base dpm (by like 50)

or they should've done what you suggested, but knowing wg they probably won't revert the is4 changes until the next big update, or maybe they will idk

btw is4 ace bar tanked to 1.2k, doesn't mean anything but it's funny

@fickle tinsel it's not irrelevant

[main tulip]

As a medium main, I actually prefer playing the IS-4 in its current state than before, despite how mediocre it is. With that being said, I would much rather the IS-4 have stayed in a more heavily-armored state, because that's what it's supposed to be and that's what countless other people grinded it for. Even if it comes at the cost of my own enjoyment

[lone sandal]

i also prefer the is4 in its current state

[uneven turtle]

Imo a weaker is7 when faced frontally

[azure marten]

I don’t think IS-4 ever really had a heyday, not that it’s bad but it never really stood out

[winter dagger]

Everyone forgetting it used to have 2.8k hp which imo was the biggest Nerf cause you used to tank an extra shot, not anymore

[remote yarrow]

I'm wondering why did they nerfed K-91's turret armor, at least why they will nerf it in 10.4

[plucky field]

it’s it prem? they didn’t nerf a prem

[remote yarrow]

Tier IX Soviet premium HT

[drowsy plaza]

Because it’s ridiculously OP would be the answer.

[dapper zenith]

I didn't notice any significant change in the turret, the cheeks have always been penable for most,

[remote yarrow]

OP? It wasn't op, it was perfectly balanced. + Any player who know the basics can fight against it without any problems

[solid sequoia]

K-91 is incredibly strong right now

[winter dagger]

Pretty sure it's an indirect Nerf from the pbr, but by no means is the k91 op when the 752 exists

[nimble zodiac]

Heavily armored three shot autoloader with 1050 potential and rather high DPM? You can fight against it without any problem, but winning that fight is another story.

[solid sequoia]

Just because another OP tanks exists doesn’t mean an OP tank isn’t OP. that’s like saying smasher isn’t OP because Annihilator exists

[burnt venture]

rather high? lol thing has like 2.7k

What's absolutely insulting is that an autoloader has basically one of the highest DPMs out of tier 9 heavy tanks. K-91 with an autoloader has the same DPM as IS-8 and Conq, without their downsides of weak armor

[nimble zodiac]

I used the wrong bait

[burnt venture]

Autoloaders used to all have lower DPM than single shot guns. Now though that's like apparently just not a thing anymore lol

[nimble zodiac]

Armor + HP btw

[vestal kindle]

SMS_894

[drowsy plaza]

Seriously? Balanced? Yes the 752 is also OP, but that doesn’t change the K-91 is overcooked. The tank was good when first released before it got the alpha buff years ago. It’s the poster child for poor balancing decisions. Yes you can fight it, but anyone who knows what they are doing in it has a large advantage assuming you aren’t a tier X.

[scenic olive]

The 752 is ridiculously op is what u meant to say

[stuck acorn]

IS-4 used to have nearly the same if not the same mobility it has right now, but with old armor. So it was basically same thing we have now, but with the old amazing armor and slightly worse gun

[lone sandal]

oh

[obtuse falcon]

Someone mind explaining how on earth the 263 has 120mm of armour on the sides?

[stone drum]

Ive never thought of K-91 as OP tbh.

[dapper zenith]

Ya same, it’s good but it doesn’t dominate, still have to play smart,

[waxen osprey]

I think the 752 is the one that needs the nerf hammer, not quite the k91

[dapper zenith]

Shhhhhhhhhhh 🙂

[solid sequoia]

It’s quite literally a tier 10 heavy tank, stripped of a bit of HP, and put down a tier lower

[clear shuttle]

^ playing against tier 8s in the 752 feels like you’re playing a tier 10

[dapper zenith]

Yes especially if you can make a medium flank like on himmelsdorf you can chew through a flank in no time

[waxen osprey]

LOL.
But yeah like how can a tank have:

• near impenetrable armor against equal tiered opponents in a sidescrape or hulldown
• 38kmh top speed with great p2w
• 860 double tap in 4s
• still an insanely high 2.5k dpm

[dapper zenith]

Oh yea I don’t know if it’s performing so good because i just scored it, but yea it’s a force, if they nerf anything it’ll probably be the..........never mind I’ll just shut up:)

[waxen osprey]

Speaks for itself... nevermind I'll shut up too

[subtle egret]

tier 9 yoh has 25sec mag reload
while 752 has 16sec mag reload
with similar alpha dmg

[slender latch]

For a TD it performs quite well must be like a SMV 64

[clear shuttle]

because it pretty much is an smv at tier 10

[thorny timber]

It's still in test,the stats might be subject to change

[nimble scroll]

I suggest improving some of O-47 characteristics. here's why and how:

why: its a super unique tank that does not belong to a nation, but almost nobody wants to use it because of the poor specs wargaming decided to give it, like the aim, dpm and mobility (which does not compensate the weak armor). I personally love O-47 and also think it deserves a decent buff way better than the last one, so most people will be able to enjoy it and not have to sacrifice their average damage or winrate anymore when playing with it.

how:

Depression angle: 8 -> 10

Reloading time: 7.1 -> 6.7

Mobility (its supposed to have a tier 10 engine but it barely feels like tier 8):
Horsepower: 670 -> 710
Terrain Resistance: road 109 -> 130, ground 91 -> 109, water 73 -> 91

Gun (most important in my opinion):
Aiming time: 4.3 -> 3.8
Dispersion: 0.35 -> 0.33

[iron cypress]

Ye thats why 752 is so op it has to be increased to like 21 sec while yoh gets buffed to 21 sec

[clear shuttle]

the reason the yoh has a 25 second clip reload is partly because it has a 1.7 second intra clip compared to the 752s 4 second intraclip

but its still funny how its 25 seconds long fully equipped

[stuck acorn]

terrain resistance and aiming time values you used are irrelevant and say nothing.

You never list aim time and terrain resistance changes in in game values, because they say nothing.

For terrain resistance you usually use a value from 0.8 to 1.8 and this is a value that base power to weight will be divided by while on certain type of terrain, it gives you a clear insight on how fast a tank will be on certain terrain

For the aim time, you don't use the in game value because it is a mixture of aim time and hidden gun handling stats. So nobody reaally knows what buffing aim time in the end means. On sites like blitz stars or blitz hangar you can find base aim time values of all tanks. I'd suggest using these instead

@nimble scroll you can find them all on third party websites like blitz hangar or blitz stars tank compare. Sadly WG never added them into the game even though players wanted them to do so many times

[nimble scroll]

Yes, youre right, how do i translate the ingame values to the real ones? idk how to do it
Nevermind ill just do the maths

[stuck acorn]

Here you have them for O-47, they are these stats i marked with blue. First one is base aim time, second is just base dispersion, you can skip this one and in third row you have gun handling values first on the move, second during rotation and third during turret rotation

On 2nd screen you have terrain resistance starting from hardest and ending on softest one

[nimble scroll]

New values for my O-47 improvement suggestion (now using real values instead of in-game ones, also removed reloading time buff):

Gun:
Aiming time: 2.01s -> 1.8s
Dispersion: 0.336 -> 0.326
Maximum depression angle: 8º -> 10º

Mobility:
Horsepower: 670 -> 720
Terrain Resistance: road 1 -> 0.9, ground 1.2 -> 1, water 1.5-> 1.3

Visibility: 255 -> 260

I hope these values arent considered "too op" for a tank that hasnt been really competitive until now

[stuck acorn]

honestly terrain resistance buffs combined with horse power buff seems to be a bit to big, you should pick only one of them and when it comes to gun depression it's hard to tell how it would interact with tank's model. Such a significant change would need testing before release

[stone drum]

Its near impossible to translate the actual aimtime into a realistically understood numerical value.

It would be nice if WG would post an animtime/estimated aimtime calculator for the playerbase to use.

[nimble scroll]

the gun depression factor is necessary for this tank, because it is supposed to only expose the turret when fighting, otherwise its an easy target

[burnt venture]

Aim time in the game is completely incorrect and shouldn't be used. In-game it's calculating how long it takes for the dispersion to go from full bloom to fully aimed, which has literally nothing to do with the actual aiming speed (or how fast the circle shrinks) as it's taking into account the bloom of the gun and the speed of the tank and other random factors that make your gun bloom out.

A gun that actually aims quickly can have worse in-game aimtime than a gun that aims slower simply because the tank it is mounted to is faster, or has really bad OTM values.

Use the standard values on blitzhangar and blitzstars, those are the actual accurate values because all they calculate is how long it takes for the reticle to shrink 33%. It removes all the other garbage variables which are present in the aim time presented in-game.

For example, a Grille's aimtime in-game is listed as 3.2 sec, while an E5 is listed at 2.6 sec. Does an E5's reticle actually shrink as fast as a Grille's? No lmao, it's because the Grille's horrible OTM values + better speed are increasing its aim time. By this logic, a 777 aims almost as fast as a Leopard 1, and a 215B has similar aimtime to like a WZ-121.

The in-game aimtime is trash lol, it should never be used. Same with the in-game camo-values, those are just completely incorrect

[drowsy plaza]

One really wonders what WG thinks when it adds some of the ‘in game’ values to the garage stats.

[stone drum]

I mean they dont provide half of the accuracy stats so it doesn't come as a surprise.

[drowsy plaza]

Or when provided they are flat out wrong or misleading. Even Gun Depression information isn’t necessarily accurate as it lists the max depression - and not necessarily where that location is, so many expect max depression to be frontal - while some have it over the sides etc.

[burnt venture]

In-game camo values are the funniest IMO.

So the value is a percentage. Equipping camo net increases that percentage by a set number, like its ADDITIVE. Camo net and camouflages adds that % value to your camo directly.

However, the camo crew skill is NOT additive, it’s MULTIPLICATIVE. Having level 7 camo skill increases your camo by 21% as in it multiplies your base camo rating by 121%. And that’s how it works in the game.

But whoever coded the camo values in the garage made the crew skill ADDITIVE. So all the values are wrong and you can get absolutely hilarious things like E25 with 80% camo while stationary or Maus having 20% camo that are just not true.

[stone drum]

Like how AMX m4 mle. 54 in-game aimtime increased in-game, even though the Mobility was nerfed on medium terrain and the actual aimtime didn't change.

[drowsy plaza]

I miss having reactions to emphasize how important some of the posts here are. Because if one isn’t aware of third party content, one can be hopelessly mislead by the game itself. The fact that WG doesn’t put in game links to a lot of its own content or CC created game mechanics information is a travesty. That not even getting into stuff like different bushes have different camo values etc.

[burnt venture]

For most players, the #1 strength of mediums is that they spin fast

What's even worse is that the bar isn't even relative to the tank type or the tier. I'm pretty sure it's relative to ALL the tanks in the ENTIRE game.

[real bison]

i hate that tab so much

[burnt venture]

Yeah so these bars are relative to ALL TANKS IN THE GAME. There's no filtering at all.

Wonder why 9.8 rounds a minute looks so "bad" on CS-63? It's because the tier 5 Leopard and the Pz. II J. are doing 63 and 78 rounds a minute.

Wow look, Leopard has the best traverse in the game! So it maxes out the bar.

Now imagine that the majority of players in the game use this tab, because that's the default setting. Amazing design

[drowsy plaza]

One nice thing about https://blitzhangar.com is that one can set filters and actually see comparisons between like tanks in the tier or tanks it will/can see in battles

[umbral socket]

Fix Sheridan troll armor thx

[real bison]

aim better

[dapper zenith]

I've been trying to convince anyone from WG on discord and old forum for 2 years now to get someone to buff it, but to no avail, it needs a terrain buff at the minimum and removal of the ears being a hit box

[cunning socket]

bro its already pretty huge

[remote sluice]

i love the way the Caernarvon and the Caernarvon AX are balanced. one trades armor for alpha dmg, dpm, speed and super consumables, while the other trades the aforementioned traits for rlly good turret armor and credit coefficiency. this is what premium tanks should be imo, just as strong as their tech tree counterparts

[dapper zenith]

are there premiums that are weaker than there sister tank anymore?

[umbral socket]

Bro u can literally hit the turret in the back and still bounce (JgdpE100) 😭
U know what troll armor means?

[unique scaffold]

yeah it means you can't aim

[remote sluice]

not many, but thats fine, as long as they are not outright better than their tech tree counterparts. i think the blitz balancing team is doing quite well at balancing premiums by making them just as strong as their tech tree versions, or a little bit better yet still counter-able (except for some). i honestly feel like blitz is much much more balanced than wot pc. props to wg for that

[final warren]

First off, that isn't true. Second, it doesn't have troll armor. Third, you are shooting the spaced armor. You need to shoot the hull

[umbral socket]

Bro tryn to be funny, its just ridiclious, that hasnt anything to do with aim kid

Wdym " it isnt true " @final warren

[dapper zenith]

I agree , the balance is much better now thn earlier, it was total Soviet meta for a long time

[unique scaffold]

yeah I'm really tryna be funny, except I can't 🤷

[cunning socket]

how many battles do u have?

[final warren]

@umbral socket There isn't anything you can bounce off of. It's all green. The jg overmatches all of the sherrys armor, so you literally cannot ricochet or not pen, unless you hit a module

[remote sluice]

ahh the russian bias memes, yea i just realized it’s been a long time since the last time i felt that russian tanks are so hard to kill haha

[lone sandal]

@umbral socket do you know how to full pen HE a sheridan?

[proud abyss]

Its turret, the hull is entirely spaced armor

[unique scaffold]

lower plate isn't part of the spaced armor

[umbral socket]

Did u hear urself? You just proofed that it shouldnt be possible to bounce with the JgdE, but a direct hit still bounced

[real bison]

except you cant bounce a sheridan

the shell likely hit just the spaced armour, where there is no hitbox behind, and thus counts as a shell absorption

[final warren]

No I didn't...? I just showed you proof that you can't bounce. What are you talking about? There is 0 way for you to not pen with a jg.

If you did bounce, then it's because you didn't hit the hitbox. You hit spaced armor so you didn't do dmg

[unique scaffold]

@umbral socket just take it as rng issue and call it a day

[remote sluice]

yea accept it and move on lmao. it’s just a game after all. if u non pen a sheridan then thats on u, not the tank. just accept it and move on, enjoy the game when it’s still balanced and fun instead of complaining

[nimble scroll]

I dont get what youre saying, it doesnt make much sense. So the camo skill is multiplicative but also additive?

[nimble scroll]

oh it makes me happy to know that there are more people like me =)
the ears are a big problem aswell since its a huge weakspot on the turret, theyre not hard to pen with premium ammo, unless the tank is moving constantly. But id rather see O-47 getting a gun and mobility boost than only making its ears an out-of-the-hitbox part

[dapper zenith]

I don't think we'll get a gun buff and armor buff that'll turn it into a broken ridge monster, I hate the acceleration on soft terrain on an incline

[umbral socket]

😂

[nimble scroll]

i mean, im not expecting a change that turns O-47 into one of the best tanks in the game either... thats not necessary, i just want it to be good, instead of mediocre/average. i hope we can get more people to support this idea, so wargaming is more likely to take into account

[dapper zenith]

tough to convince other players, most hate it with a passion lol only a few of us like it

[nimble scroll]

yeah :( most people dont care about O-47, they prefer other popular tanks, so they dont care about giving it a buff...

[final warren]

I think he is saying that it is supposed to be multiplicative, but someone messed up so it is actually additive

[stone drum]

Probably what happened:

[proud abyss]

the sheri with no space armor just looks so funny

[stark onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-t49-world-of-tanks-gif-19032445

[stone drum]

Give AMX m4 mle. 54 back it's AP rounds, the APCR/HEAT rounds are atrocious.

[upbeat sphinx]

are you aware it was buffed earlier this year? another buff is not foreseeable in the near future.

[nimble scroll]

yes and it wasnt a good buff. Also, tanks are getting buffed and nerfed constantly, there isnt a "minimum time" they have to wait before modifying a tank again...?

[nimble zodiac]

Give me the replay.

[marble mantle]

What am I missing on the Glacier benefits? It’s far worse across the board than the Centurion 7/1 except for DPM.

[final warren]

But that is HEAT, not AP. Also how did you find that lol

[winter dagger]

More armor than a maus

[stone drum]

I mean he bounced a sheridan in a jagd I wouldn't put anything below him, not even firing heat at a sheridan.

[languid cedar]

The simple solution is to just have a stupid bot take control after say a minute or 30 seconds of being afk. It’s just wargaming being lazy or that people would whine about not being able to get “free damage”. Six other players shouldn’t be sabotaged and made to lose a battle just because one player went AFK. That’s like a Cod lobby putting thirty players on one team and fifteen on another. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel. It’s an issue that detracts from the quality of life of everyone who plays the game. Reporting doesn’t do anything, because we don’t know if the player did it out of malice or lost connection or had something to do. But a bot system is the only solution. Yet WG refuses to do it.

[winter dagger]

Advanced Sheridan's bait with the rear with a large amount of spaced armor

[winter dagger]

T r a c e r s h e l l s

[nimble zodiac]

WG should be concerned that the bot that takes over will be better than the player 😉

[nimble zodiac]

It’s about the DPM, then

[marble mantle]

Mmmm, that’s not much of a plus when everything else is lower. Watched the @unique scaffold review and he’s right

[stone drum]

Did you actually ping him...

[fickle shoal]

he won't responed anyways

[tulip ivy]

@unique scaffold do you respond to pings?!

[marble mantle]

No. Watched the review on YouTube

[clear shuttle]

[lost frost]

buff the Foch plzzz

[burnt venture]

Average drools viewer

[proud abyss]

Doodle biewer

[thorny timber]

noodle brewer

[winter dagger]

More like you pay for a tank that's basically already free....

[stuck acorn]

average droodles fan

💀🔫

[drowsy plaza]

Clearly a detailed balance discussion 🤪

[stone drum]

No, droodles viewers believe foch is actually good after "the on movement dispersion was buffed".

[dreamy tundra]

Is4 became from bully to bullied

[nimble scroll]

how can nightmare be so incredibly bad

[fickle shoal]

Brainless to needing a brain to play

[lone sandal]

foch pales in comparison to every other aggressive td 😭

[fickle shoal]

TD? I think a punching bag is the right word usage

[stone drum]

Aggressive?

[fickle shoal]

Foch can be played aggressively (cue HRF playing it near the end of his 140 stream) but 90% of the time you won't be

[winter dagger]

you used to be able to with the single shot, now double shot is just straight pain

[fickle shoal]

So is the painful existence of fr*nch tanks

[winter dagger]

then there's the bc at tier ten

[lone sandal]

a punching bag with a massive hole 💀💀💀 please buff foch

[stone drum]

I don't know how WG decided that just straight nerfing the singleshot gun was somehow a fair or balanced idea.

[winter dagger]

foch deserves double gun option like the tier ten counterpart, it'll "fit in with the tech tree more" #singleshotfoch

[harsh ravine]

The Foch is hot garbage. It’s clear they intend to keep it under the grave.

Them giving the doubleshot APCR base while nerfing the accuracy of the singleshot was one of the most absurd “balancing” changes they’ve ever made.

[fickle shoal]

Another example of "they could have just left it alone" balance change

[floral thunder]

T49 needs AP / APCR urgent

[ornate warren]

Tbf I ve never enjoyed foch 155 in any battle since they changed the double shot gun system, which is the main problem with the foch already.

[solid sequoia]

No.

[ornate warren]

Already has, but not on the derp gun, which already doesn’t supposed to have

[teal crystal]

buff AT 15A

[deep cosmos]

why does Emil1951 not have superspeed boost?

[clear shuttle]

because it dosent need it

[ornate warren]

Why would it have mate

[remote sluice]

foch 155 is only good when u stay second line or third line, where u will not hit anything. it feels better than its pre-10.3 state for sure, but it’s still meh. it needs the old gun back

[clear shuttle]

they want to make both guns “relevant” i think which imo is fair
but their doing it in such goofy ways

[remote sluice]

yah they could like keep the autoloader as it was w 7.1s intraclip and 560 alpha, and buff the single shot gun alpha back to 640 and it’s gonna be a good alternative, but nope, boring 500 alpha tank it is

[coral hamlet]

If you mean the tier V StuH with the 105mm mortar, it's not bad, it's incredbily funny

If you think it's bad then that's your skill issue. The low velocity and high alpha more it a very funny combination along with some sort of troll armor and quite good mobility

[stone drum]

And they do this by progressively nerfing both guns...

The singleshot was already inferior at tier X and it still got nerfed.

[noble idol]

hmm

[twin egret]

Hey, at least the single shot has some juicy HE alpha dmg now (as if that was the thing it needed, lmao)

[winter dagger]

Just revert single shot in tier x Foch back to the standard 155mm alpha/gun (640)

[marble mantle]

I see what you did there

[stone drum]

The HE shells dont even have good alpha.

[fickle shoal]

(cough) the kpz 70 HE alpha (cough)

[ember idol]

12% alpha increased than standard woo hoo

[stone drum]

Foch 155 autoloader:

[ember idol]

Epic

[stuck acorn]

makes sense

[turbid ice]

💀💀💀 nvm I misread

[stuck acorn]

That's what WG employee has to say on this matter 💀

You can read my whole conversation with him about foch if you are interested, as it's not that long, but be ready to loose some braincells in the process

[twin egret]

fv4005 gets a pass but the Foch nah
A tank with shell interaclip boost, 4 shells, 1640 potential, and bedding able to repeatedly break tracks, potentially wasting repair kits

[stuck acorn]

4005 has 1640 potential, not 1240 btw

Also T57 gets 1200 potential (so equivalent of 2x 600) in the same time as foch currently does 1000 (and twice as fast as it used to do 1280) on just not even comparably better platform.

Current foch is just a joke

[twin egret]

It's a typo

[stone drum]

It's funny how he speaks of breaking the alternative gun when they just straight up nerfed the alternative gun last patch.

[orchid grove]

Foch just needs 3x640

[stone drum]

I personally am very fond of the idea of Foch receiving a 120mm gun either in a singleshot or autoloader format.

[burnt venture]

Foch is in a terrible spot either way with either gun.

• It's far outclassed on the single-shot by a 268. Better gun handling, gun angles, better mobility on the platform.

• It makes no sense to play the double-shot when the current Yoh exists.

Foch's actual design is basically just all-in YOLO: you have zero gun depression, no gun arc, no side armor, no accuracy, huge weakspots on top of your tank that make playing any kind of conventional position completely pointless. Outside of peeking corners, there's nothing else the Foch can do except sit in bushes or just yolo in. It also has no reverse speed either so it can't even disengage.

The single shot will never ever make Foch special, and the autoloader right now is this lukewarm thing that only does 1000 (and that's when you manage to wrangle the shots past the horrible handling and angles). Foch needs gun angle buffs and the clip damage has to be higher. It's literally a tank that abuses mobility and clip damage to hunt mediums, and gives up EVERYTHING else for that ability. But right now it shoots wet farts, while all the other downsides are still there.

[main tulip]

initial release Foch was worse than the current one, mainly due to the armor which was buffed at some point shortly after. The sides used to be HE-able by any 120mm+ gun, and the frontal plate and/or the rangefinders were weaker.

[main tulip]

found it, update 4.7

[winter dagger]

just play the better foch, wz td that only has the downside of less mobility and maybe larger profile

[remote sluice]

or the 268 which can do everything the foch can do, but better

[stark onyx]

completely rework the k-91 pbr armor, it doesn't need a shadow nerf

[main tulip]

It kinda does, it has a heavium gun and mobility anyways

[stark onyx]

still the nerf makes the turret completely useless, its like adding 2 of those t95e6 tumors on that thing and it's not getting any additional mobility buffs while other t9s are arguably getting stronger each update and the k-91 gets a flat nerf

[solid sequoia]

It’s really not that bad, just use gun dep and wiggle

[ornate warren]

I agree on the foch design part, but Giving its autoloader such change will just straight up make it one of the other toxic tanks with no such difference.

imo All they have to do at this point is give back its old autoloader back and give it at least 560 or more since the tank will already have huge intraclip reload as a disadvantage, which can be actually used as an advantage in most cases unlike the current one. , making it actually unique to play

[stark onyx]

yeah against t10s who have an average of like 500+ alpha 💀

[fading acorn]

When will the mystics be in the blitz?

[nimble zodiac]

Wow, the tank will be centered on its overcooked gun instead of both that and effective turret armor? Sounds like balance to me

[solid sequoia]

If you sit in front of a TD maybe, but at that point you’re asking for it

[clear shuttle]

but sir a 113 running cali using heat penned my turret hatch

[stark onyx]

picture this: you're in a t10 match on suppose mines or some map where you basically will never go town in a heavy, you only have 350 alpha even though you're a clipper and you want to brawl with all the heavies, you aint beating an is7/60tp/kran with tungsten since every time you poke they can deal much more damage and since you have turret weakspots they WILL pen you and you will only get one or if lucky 2 shots of your clip in the time a is-7/60tp pens you for 500+ or you basically have to pull back and wait for 5-10 seconds before you poke out and deal another 350 damage if you don't want to be a sitting duck dumping your clip

[solid sequoia]

If you trade 2 shots for every one you take you outtrade everything by except the Jageroo and 183.

[nimble zodiac]

I love the assumption that RNG won’t mess up the shots of those heavy tanks

[stark onyx]

forgor to add the fact that keep in mind you're not always in a 1 on 1

[clear shuttle]

maybe try poking when their not looking at you

[solid sequoia]

Keep in mind the hatches are still small targets, and can be made way smaller through gun depression and wiggling. If you have an issue with it, you’re just using the tank as a crutch for your lack of skill.

[stark onyx]

mines when there is at least one person looking at you because they know they can pen your turret instead of a kran/is-7/60tp/e5/type-71/minotauro's turret:

[stark onyx]

ever wondered why the e5 m48 m60 got their hatches removed? 💀 this is around 260mm of pen, the STANDARD pen of most t10s heavies, like bro is not bouncing anything and this is basically like sticking an e5 tumor on the k-91, oh yeah this is fully hulldown too

[solid sequoia]

“Oh no, I can’t go brain dead hulldown in my dpm autoloader anymore!!!!1!!1!1!1!”

[clear shuttle]

hey at least it dosent look like that to tier 8 heavies

[main tulip]

those tanks should get their hatches back, not the other way around

[stark onyx]

the vehicle is still getting weaker and people expect the k-91 to be a strong tank because it was a strong tank for 4 years or so and now you just give it a flat nerf backstabbing basically people who's been playing the tank the same for 4 years and removing it from the strong category from people who bought the tank thinking it was strong, the only plausible reason being "oH NO, I cAn'T gO BrAin dEaD hUllDoWn iN My DpM aUtOLoAdeR anYmORe!!@11!!!!" then why not give negative armor to every single autoloader in the game, best solution ever

[proud abyss]

What will i do??? Ill just buy another hulldown autoloader!1!1!

[solid sequoia]

I’m sorry you can’t use this tank as a crutch for your lack of skill anymore, but the 752 still exists for people like you!

[proud abyss]

You had 4 years chance to play one of the best autoloaders, quit complaining and get over the balance changes, like T10 they also changed the meta.if it dont suits you cause you cant sealclub anymore then sell the tank or quit the game

Also why 5 min of cooldown?

[stark onyx]

wow so everybody should use specific tanks to "prove their skill" and be so damn happy if a tank's armor gets nerfed because then it won't be a "crutch for lack of skill" i wonder how glad you were when the grille got nerfed to the ground so finally you can "play with skill"

[solid sequoia]

Ah yes, grille got nerfed into the ground. Just play it as close range support now lmao, it’s very good at what it does

[jade basalt]

752🗣️ 🔥 🔥

[ionic egret]

literally not a single thing in k91's armour changes btw, it will just be displayed more clearly and the weakspots will be easily visible

[clear shuttle]

except they cant play cqc support since sniping is the only thing many grille players are capable of doing 😔

[lone sandal]

yes guys please bring your grille to close range

anyways k91 nerf is a massive W but where is the 752 nerf

[wispy leaf]

k91 armor profile , not great. why would they made it weaker 😦

[proud abyss]

Dpm + autoloader + insane turret armor - highlighting the weakspots, didnt make it weaker

[charred heron]

Wotb players when they realize they can’t play every tank like a minotauro :🤯

[remote gate]

Just give the Foch 155 a 5 shell autoloader with 500 alpha and it'll be good

Mb I forgor the game is 7v7

[clear shuttle]

nerf the traverse by 30 i think thats fair

[slender latch]

If I was WG I'd give it 480 alpha and reduce reload by 1 second

[stone drum]

If you did that I would find you.

[ember idol]

So it just turns to a 130mm gun kekw

[subtle egret]

mino is just better than the foch

[solid sequoia]

Just need fpch alpha to 20 and give it 50 shells. It’s no longer the Foch 155mm, it’s the Foch 15.5mm

[unique scaffold]

Mino got nerfed and foch has more damage per minute.

In other words mino is like a shield foch is the sword.

They both are like two different people with different play-styles. You’re Comparing them without checking to see what they’re versatility is.

In theory mino is best all around but still has the drawback of its autoload and slow speed.

In other words mino is mid at best foch is better.

[lyric sail]

@evertrone quiero 100 seguidores me encuentran como elsinchamba69

@evertrone I want 100 followers they find me as elsinchamba69

Plis. Porfavor

[subtle egret]

cool opinion but foch got nerfed as well and having more dpm doesnt mean its better

[lone sandal]

mino is like a shield and Foch is scrap metal glued together

[unique scaffold]

That’s true

[stone drum]

Mino is way way better than foch.

[winter dagger]

Foch 130mm

[thorny timber]

Or maybe atleast increase it back to 600-640 and then give it some kind of m-4-yoh level of intraclip

[left crown]

E50m 390 dmg gun

[surreal basin]

no

[lunar sphinx]

It's turret wasn't insane by any means
And it got nerfed

[sick lance]

hi guys I'm a new player in world of tanks blitz tell me if there are any codes for bonus rewards

[mystic gorge]

Since when was the Minotauro nerfed?

[uneven turtle]

Ye since when. Unless you’re talking about the change from AP to APCR

[cunning socket]

Yeah that is a nerf ig

[uneven turtle]

Y’all understate minos capabilities. When u use it as a single shot your dpm is surprisingly good. If ur smart enough you can dump your whole clip when their low enough worth 1400-1600HP with above average standard pen and wipe out the enemy. That is if they are a heavy.

Also it got a HP buff a traverse buff so what u on about

[unique scaffold]

Last update it’s turn speed was nerfed?…

[mystic gorge]

It was buffed

[cunning socket]

Yea it’s a overall buff the apcr won’t hurt much except in some rare cases

[stone drum]

Lol mino dpm is awful...

[fickle tinsel]

2370 is not good..

[winter dagger]

2.6-2.8k dpm single shot iirc the calc is highly likely wrong, but it's not bad dpm against heavies, for tds tho it's mid considering most tds hit 3k dpm and all the way up to 4k with the 263

[fickle tinsel]

its 2370, im assuming you didn't count the 3.5 second intraclip

[winter dagger]

Oh that I don't play it enouf

[uneven turtle]

Now maybe I overstated it’s abilities so let me rephrase 🥲

The dpm is ok. Considering it plays front line like a heavy tank

[stone drum]

That only makes the dpm worse

[drowsy plaza]

It’s got better frontal armor than most heavies…

[scenic olive]

Buff kanon 105 dpm to like 3.1k maybe even more

[broken kernel]

Nerf T92E1

[fickle shoal]

inb4 "skill issue"

[proven lake]

I found this image called BZ-75 with short gun (180mm), is that real ?

[fickle shoal]

@odd remnant

[odd remnant]

yes its real
idk the caliber though

[remote sluice]

this is real

gun could be 180mm, but wg can change that. but it will for sure have hesh that can do probably 900 damage or above

[dusty flame]

Gravedigger is fun
Don't nerf
@subtle egret it's not

[subtle egret]

since when its getting nerfed?

[lyric fulcrum]

Why is the Obj. 260 more armored than the IS-7 ?

[stone drum]

Its not?

[harsh ravine]

The 260’s armor buff is overrated. Most people now shoot at your huge lower plate or shoot gold into your weak turret cheeks.

It did become a better tank, though it became a lot more bland.

[winter dagger]

turret is still troll for meds tho, and you're supposed to use it against meds in the first place lol, its just a better heavium than the is4 literally

[harsh ravine]

That’s true, they cannibalized the IS-4’s armor and put it on the 260

[fallow eagle]

Buff grille average damage per shot

[uneven turtle]

I think they gonna balance out all the way till t7 only

[cunning socket]

No. Nerf grille. Too strong.

[fickle shoal]

(for legal reasons thats a joke)

[cunning socket]

460 alpha will be balance

[ember idol]

Grille 13

[clear shuttle]

as long as the grille dosent get good camo idrc what happens to it 😎

[remote sluice]

still too high, nerf it to 160 and it’s gonna be good

[lone sandal]

true

[winter dagger]

My 1k battles will cry if they Nerf alpha anymore

[lone sandal]

yes, nerf the grille again, nerf alpha to 460 base disp to 0.3 dpm buff by 50 to compensate for all the nerfs

[proud abyss]

Just delete the tank entirely at this point

[verbal igloo]

Just give the grille a second gun but make it a autoloader. That could spice it up if they dont give the grille a full turret/camo buff/dmg buff

[lone sandal]

what??? 🗣️🔥

[fickle tinsel]

nerf grille to the leopards alpha so it can be a leopard but worse in every way

[lone sandal]

and then buff its base dpm by 100 to compensate for the alpha nerf (this will make it even better frontline!)

[stone drum]

Dont give grille an autoloader, French tech tree needs opportunities.

[cunning socket]

Autoreloader 🗣️🔥

[thorny timber]

Then just remove grille and add the waffentrager e100 then,both aren't not gonna be different from the fv4005

[verbal igloo]

Literally not the same thing. The wt had a full turret while the grille has the du.. 60 something degree to the side thing. +the grille had/has the spd bonus and accuracy (which they could just k for the second gun)

[thorny timber]

Accuracy is the thing that'll make this idea one of the worst ever,it still has doable camo and a low profile when compared to its possible counterpart for this prototype the 4005,so what you're suggesting is an accurate long range drilling clipper which can't be spotted easily and can take out tanks even without direct contact,even longer intraclips like 6-10s would still be toxic to be considered of

Grille is an accurate sniper because that's what it was built to be,probably not suitable for a game that is supposed to be a lite and faster paced version of another

[winter dagger]

Wt would be the 183 of German tech tree, with a stupid e100 hull unless they make it paper thin, and it's a clipper like the Fv so having similar tanks on the same team can mean, a platoon of 4005 and one wt auf e100 would be very "fun" to play against, one of many reason why wot pc replaced it, and only recently brought it back iirc

[thorny timber]

The only way I can think of actually assuring that wt will not be camping all day at its best is that to give it one of the worst camos for tds,no spall liner (important) give it around 500x3 or 600x3 with a long intra (7-8s and 8-9s respectively) and not so good dispersion values and make the Armor in a way where it's not paper but neither so reliable at best, probably make some plates slightly red and some just weaker,or just retweak the profile from wt 4 and give it an actually unique profile of an prone to derp he turret and slightly resistant hull but I can't assure that it won't destroy t10,I just suggested ways in which it can be less toxic than what it could be if it was flat added

Just let it be a more soft armored e100 with an autoloader

[uneven turtle]

Tvp just that if u face it frontally there’s a garuantee your pretty much dead

Sounds like average balancing

[fickle shoal]

amx 30b with stb turret and progetto autoreloader

[drowsy plaza]

This channel used to actually discuss tank balance. Now it’s 90% spam

[fickle shoal]

not like alot of the discussion had good takes in it anyways

[unique scaffold]

^^^

[fickle tinsel]

12% still camo is too high as well drop it to 5% like the maus grille players arrogant to think such a busted tank deserves any camo at all

[drowsy plaza]

Yes because clearly it overperforms /sarcasm

[clear shuttle]

mm yes i love it when grilles sit in the back and do one shot of damage in a 6 minute game

[stone drum]

Well their is basically nothing to discuss and even less people to engage in legitimate, thoughtful conversation.

[dapper zenith]

Hit up the old blitz forum once and awhile, it’s only us die hards left over there and you can get organized discussions

[hasty flicker]

Is-6 Fearless should get a buff, like, it's really hard to get and it doesn't differ at all from the regular Is-6, which you can simply buy in the store.

[nimble zodiac]

The only point of IS-6 Fearless is to flex the different appearance. It's not supposed to be better

[leaden holly]

just great they sold it for season coins now

[remote oriole]

Incredible logic. How about we make something like an Annihilator at tier ten and only give it to people with 80%+ winrate? You know, as a reward for grinding winrate they may now play stronger tanks than anyone else because that‘s surely healthy for the game and the competition in the game

[gritty meteor]

Dear developers please make Titan decoration set. Thank you.

[stone drum]

It worked out great on PC! Just look at the T95/Fv4201 cheiftan.

[clear shuttle]

i dont think they need to change the is-6f esp now anyone can spam cts and ratings and eventually get it

[modern heart]

maybe because balance is much more of a mess right now 😂

[burnt venture]

Bond equipment when

introduce 279e, but only for 70% wr players with over 50,000 battles as a "gift" like M60

Top 1 clan in stellar cup gets wot PC Chieftain

[gleaming apex]

l1pach has been warned.

[ember rain]

PC Chieftain? It's mid after nerf

Give og WT auf e100

[rare viper]

pls buff O-47, give him more hull and turret armor it's tier 8 but has the stats of a tier 6-7

[winter dagger]

New tourney meta, top 1 clan wins every cup after this

[unique scaffold]

Does anyone think that the 4-round loading cars are very broken? , you literally empty the charger and you already obtained 2k dmg in less than a minute

[winter dagger]

Bro is playing world of vehicles

[solid sequoia]

Nothing can dump 2k damage unless it’s with HE

[winter dagger]

Closest is 4005 but that thing sucks booty

[stone drum]

Such as? Most 4 shell autoloaders are on stock tanks at high tiers...

[winter dagger]

He's talking about the secret tier 10, autoloading 183

[proud abyss]

The legendary WT Auf pz E100

[celest magnet]

[solar cosmos]

Day 1 for asking the t62a to be buffed

[solid sequoia]

Why do you think it needs buffed?

[winter dagger]

It got buffed l m a o

[dapper zenith]

Buffed again? That would be 4 buffs in a row

[solar cosmos]

because i dont read patch notes thanks for information

[rare viper]

tbh 0-47 REALLY need a huge buff cause it's a tier 6 in tier 8

[rustic rover]

Please nerf the forest witch... it can kill a non heavy tier 7 just with his 4 shoot, and moreover, it has an impressive frontal armour ! All the heavies this tier are easier to pen...

[barren yoke]

strongly agree

[stone drum]

4???

[icy furnace]

forest witch isnt even good

[solid sequoia]

It’s very good

[winter dagger]

its good but against t8 it struggles somewhat, its more like a case of "gravedigger level of strong" in that case

[winter dagger]

Right, and that's why a balanced tank is hard to find in those tier gaps because they have to have a weakness for lower tiers but also a strength for higher tiers, the type 62 is the best example for this. It's a hard to play light in t7 but that heat pen allows it to get away with penning t8 heavies, and that dpm melts t6 and t7 but is balanced by having paper thin armor and only so much gun Depression. I hate how the Halloween tank is never really balanced like this, esp all the Halloween tanks (exception being anni and smasher was never sold during Halloween but wg considers it one oddly) and with the tier x changes, who knows what will happen to tier 9 to make that gap worse for tier 8s

And I forgot to mention but have a lower tier tank easily oppose its higher tier and you've got an op tank (looking at you obj752)

[deep cosmos]

buff K-91 turret pls

[clear shuttle]

buff 752 give it 2 second intraclip

[cunning socket]

It’s getting destroyed next update💀

[hot grotto]

Yeah the pbr changes make those upper hollowed out portions very penable

[deep cosmos]

bro K-91 has no turret armour, its meant to be a hull down tank
give it some armour

[winter dagger]

lets ignore it can do 1k damage to a t8 heavy and the t8 heavy cant even fight back unless its a 53tp, smv, or emil 1 (emil is gonna get penned because k91 has funny high heat pen)

[fickle shoal]

BuT buT BUt TieR 10's riP iT aPaRt!1!1!111

[winter dagger]

pray to stalin for infinite rng

[clear shuttle]

just how tier 8s rip tier 7s apart but i dont see people complaining

[fickle shoal]

and how tier 7's rip tier 6's apart but i dont see people complaining

[winter dagger]

another reason to buff smasher

[clear shuttle]

i want my smasher to one shot the 53tp!!! 😠🤬

[fickle shoal]

50mm buff to entire front armor, seems balanced to me

[proud abyss]

I want my 53TP to have 680 alpha!1!!!1

[merry pelican]

give e75 490 alpha damage

[prime badger]

I want my 268 get faster reload time

[clear shuttle]

i want my kran to have pre pc nerf stats

[stone drum]

Type 62 is one of the best tier 7s...

[stone drum]

Multiple tier 8 heavies can do similar amounts of damage faster.

[winter dagger]

Best not broken

[void siren]

tier 8 is one of the lowest dpm tiers in the entire game relative to each tank's hp bar

[main tulip]

and that's why it's a snoozefest

[orchid grove]

Just play TDs at tier VIII. Most TDs at the tier are honestly cracked in pubs since the firepower differential is so large

[void siren]

Hp
(Tier 8 tds have none)

[fickle shoal]

hulldown SMV casually pasting t8 heavies entire flank

[main tulip]

yeah, GSOR is generally my go to for tier 8, as well as Caliban

[stone drum]

That doesn't really change the fact that 1050 in 7s isnt really that amazing when tier 8s can do 960 in 6s.

K-91 is certainly a very good tank, but it's not the monster people are making it out to be.

[void siren]

I mean unlike tier 8s it actually reloads to do it again

And it currently has great turret armor (soon it won’t)

[broken mountain]

can anyone explain why spall liner was introduced to this game as a provision. aint the point of tanks being weakly armored is to use it like a glass cannon instead of any other tank

[void siren]

To make tank not explode in one shot

[thorny timber]

might as well as remove HE then,the only places where you use it now are the back of certain tanks instead of the actual purpose to keep the low armored tanks at bay as well

[broken mountain]

thats what im saying i got no idea who came up with the bs idea of spall liner especially as a provision

[stone drum]

The turret already wasnt amazing, so it shouldn't change much.

Regardless I belive changing armour profiles using PBR is generally a bad policy.

[merry pelican]

is 4 losing armor,but not losing weight . not logic

[hasty flicker]

They made it historically accurate btw

[fickle shoal]

this is not a historically accurate game in any way, if it was historical, kpz 70, 62a, chieftain, type 74 (STB-1), Leopard 1 (in certain aspects) would be monsters that could beat just about anything ingame

[proud abyss]

@bold dagger racial slur

@autumn zodiac

[icy furnace]

thats a country

[gleaming apex]

lesha_64 was banned.

[bold dagger]

feel free to ping all mods, you may get a faster response than pinging us individually or whoever you see online

[proud abyss]

Ok just thought it may get annyoing to offline mods

[winter dagger]

K91 still has better pen and most likely better armor (only looking at real clipper tanks, defenders except mk1 don't count and the m 4 yoh is not a clipper imo), but enlighten me on which t8 heavies do similar amounts of dmg faster because I don't play t8 as much as the average player may

[void siren]

the only t8 tank that can clip a k-91 and get a lot out of it is the t77
and the t77 is a t77

the 310 alpha clippers can do similar damage, but have no dpm or armor

[stone drum]

No they didnt, the tank had 140mm of armour on the front & 160mm on the sides.

Regardless it weights way more than it actually did.

[hasty flicker]

Everything except side armor is accurate

[stone drum]

The tank weighted 53 metric tonnes, it weights 60 metric tonnes in-game.

As for armour, its better said the only relevant plate thats accurate is the upperplate, virtually every other armourplate on the vehicle is of an incorrect thickness.

[dapper zenith]

Yeah, but was a soviet t. the same as everyone else’s lol. You wouldn’t be able to balance anything if you stuck to historical measurements,

[winter dagger]

How to unbalance

[stone drum]

Thats not the point though, im refuting the false assertion that the tank became historically accurate.

Although I would love an accurate IS-4, such a vehicle would be relegated to being either an extremely strong tier 7 or a decent tier 8.

[winter dagger]

I wished it had a gimmick of strong side armor because at least it'd still be fun but nooo just Nerf all armor except turret armor

[dapper zenith]

It used to, you had a better chance of bouncing a straight side impact over the frontal armour, everyone would come upon a enemy and you’d turn almost 90 to him to get a bounce

[autumn zodiac]

@proud abyss Like Frost said, I haven't been at my computer for over 2 hours it's just running idle right now. I'm still not at my computer even now

[stone drum]

Its not even a gimmick tbh.

Its the defining feature of the tank.

[winter dagger]

Anyways, give is7 side armor to is4, is7 does not need black holes on the side for armor

[stone drum]

That would make the side armour even weaker.

Regardless I absolutely hate IS-4 & IS-7 now.

[clear shuttle]

is-7 is fine

[stone drum]

Its fine, but that doesn't mean I enjoy it.

[clear shuttle]

fair enough

[winter dagger]

its good for boring reasons

[thorny timber]

Pretty sure I've started to hear from people now that obj 260 and 777 II feel more fun to play,but now whether they're actually better than IS 4 and 7 was something they didn't mention at all

[winter dagger]

is7 is the best out of all of them

[remote sluice]

i like the old Obj 260 more tbh. the armor buff is nice until ppl realize u still have a gigantic lower plate. also it feels more sluggish and struggled to reach top speed more. the gun became ur generic 400 alpha gun as well. but it’s subjective, glad ppl can still enjoy it.

[winter dagger]

old was more fun, new one is better but more bland imo

[stone drum]

I don't like the Mobility & shell velocity nerfs on 260.

[winter dagger]

Good players shot prem at the corner cutout on the hull

[obtuse rover]

What is better for t10 bc 100mm or 105mm?

[bleak sparrow]

both works but I use 105mm for alpha, but if you want more dpm output then the 100mm

[solid sequoia]

105mm

[clear shuttle]

i havent actually played with the 100mm since 10.3 and i dont want to

[nimble zodiac]

<@&481447501690568709> Self-promoting ^

[gleaming apex]

dedmaz_dima has been warned.

[remote sluice]

what do yall think abt the amx 30b? how good is it in 10.3?

[sweet skiff]

30B is an amazing tank now with its great DPM, good mobility and troll armor.

[wispy vault]

really skillful game, it requires a lot... [nerf fv183 pls.]

[unique jolt]

will the new line of bz have rockets boosters?

[sweet skiff]

probably not since Blitz’s BZ-75 does not have any pipe configurations or exhausts like WoT PC’s BZ-75

[unique jolt]

ye i saw that on the ss

[remote sluice]

tbh im fine w them not having the rockets. i dont think i want to fight a heavy w a 180mm hesh gun that can go at 50km/h 💀

[unique jolt]

ye atleast they got the big gun

[winter dagger]

Fantatastic tank, now it's actually playable and rewarding played right

[stone drum]

It's good, But it needs a few final adjustments to truely differentiate it.

[muted wind]

Boo

[quaint skiff]

Maybe buff Pz5/4 Dpm and 8.8 cm kwk Damage 220->240/280

[unique scaffold]

No

[stuck acorn]

nobody, ever said it will have 180mm lol. We only know it will have high alpha HE, but it might be just a 150mm with premium/high pen HE shells or they can just give this 180mm like 900 alpha.

I wouldn't expect anything extraordinary from this tank

Nobody knows what did WG mean by high penetration HE, so don't spread false informations

[wispy vault]

Yes

[winter dagger]

They will never add another 180mm gun, look at the fv4005

[main tulip]

the leaked models of the BZ-75 show it with the 180mm model. I have no reason to believe that they've done so, without actually making it a 180mm

[clear shuttle]

^ the barrel looks more like a 180mm than a 150mm
but who knows 🤷‍♀️

[winter dagger]

at best a 150mm or even 170mm like jag but with heat and he only options like the t49 for balance purposes

[main tulip]

then they would've just used the 152mm model like it has on PC...

And I don't think this is a mistake/stupid oversight as was the case with the AMX M4 54, because the 180mm model isn't even in the game on PC. The Blitz devs did this intentionally

[winter dagger]

🤷‍♂️ just my opinion based on the images, i feel they will make the 180mm ridiculously meme if that was the case

[clear shuttle]

thats what they did on pc before they scrapped it no?

[stone drum]

I have a feeling AMX m4 mle. 54 was intentional, given they had two chances to fix it and they didn't.

[odd remnant]

Oh right I haven't shown a side by side of the two guns
🤭

[harsh ravine]

The 120mm of the M4 looks way better and complements the tank’s appearance.

The 130mm just looks archaic and doesn’t fit the style of the turret.

I can see why they didn’t give the AMX M4 the smaller gun option in blitz. It’ll just be a much more taller, more awkward Super Conqueror/E5 with the 120mm.

[fickle shoal]

"oh silly me hehe" ah response

[odd remnant]

Look i actually intended to do it the day it dropped
I forgor 💀

[fickle shoal]

The WoT brainrot is real 💀

[winter dagger]

My guy if you gonna leak just leak, wg can't even touch you cause they don't got ur ign

[stone drum]

The 120mm gun model looks so thin & tiny compared to the Beast the tank is.

[remote sluice]

but hey 150mm hesh is still funny enuf

[short bane]

Wg needs to fix the e100

[remote sluice]

idk man im not having any problems fighting it

[short bane]

Lucky, I be angeling it right and even all the way and people pen the plate

[remote sluice]

a slight over angle can result in ur side turret becoming extremely weak, also try to find places to side scrape, cus thats where u can hide ur gigantic lower plate. once ur doing that, only look at ur enemy if u have to shoot, else just angle ur turret. wiggle ur hull a bit to avoid getting tracked cus ur drive wheels are quite weak

[main tulip]

E100 isn't meant to be invincible, or even close to it.

[sweet skiff]

it already had a huge armor buff back in 9.1 and imo it’s enough

[solid sequoia]

E100 is basically a turreted 268 that was given way too much frontal turret armor, just run EA and you barely have to angle

[ancient rampart]

What’s broken about it?

[short bane]

Alr I'll try thx

[shrewd sandal]

who thinks they should add the multi-gun feature like console

[cunning socket]

No im done with that non sense paragraph @wide lava open blitzstars and check its stats?!

[remote gate]

It already traverses at 45°/s, its already fast for what it is. Its already broken due to the combination of DPM, armour, gun depression, and mobility.

Its not the fastest thing ever but its mobile enough to prevent it from being circled.

[nimble zodiac]

Badger is already good, sorry that skilled players can counter you

[lethal dew]

Pls give Dracula more armor

[uneven turtle]

It doesn’t need it😑

Already has more mobility than most LTs

[clear shuttle]

pov 30%er

[remote gate]

"I don't think its needed a upgrade" you're literally asking for it to be faster.

If you can't do well in a tank that is already busted, then its just a massiveYOU problem

The traverse speed allows it to be good in both Heavy and medium side.

[tame plume]

Engrish

[remote gate]

🤡 then why would you suggest that if it isn't yours and I don't see anyone asking to buff the Badger apart from you.

• FV Badger : I need to say it but… Badger is geting worse . Its geting flanked by all types of medium and lights . It is too slow at speed and rotating . I have it and yea i agree . Anyway it needs some buff , it dose not have that much sheild so it has to be faster . No offense WG but WoTB needs a new destroyer top 1 holder . So yes thats all we all need . Mesage created by Frezem ( Badger disliker )

Okay fine I will not reply anymore, good Day.

[tame plume]

Idk man looks to me like you wrote it considering the spelling errors 💀

[remote gate]

If its not your suggestion then don't bring it up specially when you can't defend your suggestion.

You made a clown of yourself for that suggestion and it's dumb to make that suggestion to buff an already broken tank.

It just shows how bad you are at using the tank smh.

Any good player wouldn't suggest to buff an already broken tank, you basically said you're bad without saying you're bad

[clear shuttle]

i wouldnt be surprised if this is some alt trolling

[remote gate]

I'm not spamming, I'm replying to your argument that you yourself can't back up.

I don't need to see your stats to know how bad you are.

[nimble zodiac]

Tell your group to embarrass themselves here by asking for Badger buffs 🤔
I don't see why you should take the fall for their opinions

[remote sluice]

badger buffs? yo why is this channel celebrating april fools already 💀 badger does not need buffs, like dang the thing is so strong rn

[unborn apex]

Buff my crate luck plis

[flint cove]

Nearly had a stroke reading that

[subtle egret]

massive skill issue

[remote sluice]

(hey if i cant post this pls just tell me ill take this down)

that gun is hugeeeee tho. short but has the GIRTH. also seems rlly similar to the 180mm gun model on wot pc

[stone drum]

I don't see how that's necessary nor how that would benefit dracula.

If it needs anything its slightly better dispersion and considerably better shell velocity & penetration retention.

[fallow eagle]

Buff wz 111 5a avg dmg

[stuck acorn]

It might be 180, who knows, but people are still completly overhyping it. Look at the foch. It has 155mm, but so what? it does barely more than mino with 130.

Here it most likely will be the same. Standard shell with like 700 damage and HE with 1000 at MOST if it's going to be high pen. Don't expect anything like heavy 183

[main tulip]

Exactly, people forget that alpha can be adjusted to whatever lol

[void siren]

Overmatch will be wonky

[tacit parcel]

Armour seems pretty good on this thing (found it with my 60Tp with cali)

[clear shuttle]

they buffed the armour but took some of its dpm away iirc

[remote sluice]

oo yah the small pp E4 is rlly thicc

btw is that mantlet pennable in the 2nd pic?

[cunning socket]

Look at that huge rear👀

[remote gate]

Super Conqueror got some competition in the size of that thing's rear

[gusty elk]

@stuck acorn it's getting a hesh gun so that would be bad if it did 1000 for just he

[winter dagger]

It's the next Christmas tank cause 114 sp2 is stated to be black Friday tank (THEORY)

[thorny timber]

If it's gonna be arourd 850-920 (which in pretty sure it will if it gets the 180mm) then it's gonna be 24 seconds or above of whole reload for one shell if the gun only relys on hesh for being able to get DPM if not then it's probably around 20-23 which is still kind of weird to think about

As if it wasn't weird enough to dead give out 183 as a tech tree for another heavy version of it to get released

[clear shuttle]

nah watch their just gonna make it 750-800 alpha

[thorny timber]

i'm glad if they do,dont want a slapper with actual armor

[winter dagger]

It has wz-111a hull

[gusty elk]

Ain't horrible but ain't good either

[main tulip]

It doesn't

[remote sluice]

damage is damage 🔥

[gusty elk]

I hope it doesn't have the reload of a vk70.01 I'd die of boredom

[unique scaffold]

Ку

[halcyon magnet]

Hey guys! What do you think about the WZ113?

[solar cosmos]

hot take: give all reserve shell tanks the ability to reload all shells after they use the last shell

[chrome current]

i think that the stg Need at least 7-8 degrees of gun depression. or maybe 2100-2200 dpm

[winter dagger]

💀

[nimble zodiac]

Seems like someone liked the clip reload power in Mirny-13

[fickle tinsel]

didn't the dpm get fully slaughtered?

[solar cosmos]

yeah probably

[winter dagger]

No not by much, like 200 dpm? Still crazy high regardless, it would've been higher before tho

[unique scaffold]

The only buff it needs is prammo pen

[chrome current]

yeah you right i forgot about that... btw i got this master Whit the tank

[fickle tinsel]

I completely misremembered then i thought it went from like 3800 to 3300 or something stupid lemme see what it actually is though

[tacit parcel]

It's not an theory, it was confirmed 👌

[clear shuttle]

it got decreased by like 200 or something as godawakened said
but its still more than 3.2k iirc

[winter dagger]

Yes 3.5k dpm is more than enough for the td

[stone drum]

His suggestion is still very interesting.

[clear shuttle]

might as well buff the t-34-3 if ur gonna buff the stg

[fickle tinsel]

yeah its still really good from what i see. that would've been really dumb if it had higher dpm than the badger though despite a traversable turret and 10 degrees of gun dep LOL

[winter dagger]

it used to have good prammo pen during testing before they decided to make it crap

[winter dagger]

That thing needs a mobility buff so bad, I'd rather play the 122 TM that's just the better version of it without instant aim time

[fallow eagle]

Buff 60tp HE alpha damage

[stone drum]

You know what they say,
When in peril, slap 10% more HEAT pen onto the barrel.

[winter dagger]

i guess the e100 should be removed from the game if that happens

[fallow eagle]

No..i mean why does 60tp have only 720 he alpha while vk gets 900
I wish it was around 780 for 60tp

[winter dagger]

just no, 60tp shouldn't need high he alpha, its already better than the e100 rn in terms of playability

[fathom glacier]

All X should be reverted what they did for after 9.1

[winter dagger]

So make the e5 trash again

[fathom glacier]

Lol I don’t care about e5. I care about fair MM with old Xs. They were much better than now

[harsh cosmos]

I definitely think both the stg and the t-34-3 could benefit from having a small dpm buff to match the wz 122 tm but 8 degrees of gun depression seems too much. Maybe 7 but only on the sides for the stg?

[uneven turtle]

Duh, the past tends to be better than the future when it comes to balancing in gaming.

Mainly cos no one was creative enough to make somethin OP

[teal crystal]

What's the difference between the Kanonejagdpanzer and the AMX CDA 105?
they both just have mid dpm and one has more camo than the other

[cunning socket]

Kanonen more accurate ig and has paper armour

[fathom glacier]

Im glad to stop playing this wotb. I play only with my friends in wotb if my friends want with me in toon

[frigid goblet]

i have no friends so i uninstalled

[potent stratus]

hm

[fathom glacier]

I don’t have friends in wot (pc) too and I still enjoy playing wot 🤷‍♂️

[cunning socket]

Based pfp

[keen anchor]

Loza sherman goated

[winter dagger]

It's kinda not about fair mm anymore, when your meds decide to camp, so I'd rather have some of the changes stay rather than revert all of them

[blissful surge]

@winter dagger personally they need to teach players to not do stuff like that no class tutorials no info on a tanks style its all up to them to guess

[barren goblet]

There will always be players who will grind mediums and spawn snipe. That's not curable.

[gusty elk]

Is this the tanks update or the camos for the tanks

[winter dagger]

Wg fault for most of the bad changes/gameplay, but they do try yes, but I feel most of the specific stuff is taught to new players by the content creators rather than blitz themselves usually

[blissful surge]

@winter dagger yeah still i feel like a tab like the special abilities should be added briefing a hull down or side scrape tank because alot dbt watch youtube. a small hint would help some people

[winter dagger]

Or loading screen tips before start of battle like a ton of games have that when entering a match or smth

[unique scaffold]

I feel likes the kpz 70 is just forgotten, it needs some love too

[stone drum]

I know in tank company they had arrows on the maps to show you good positions to take based upon your class.

Maybe something like that should be implemented in blitz.

[orchid grove]

Nah, We don’t need WG telling people to go town just because they’re playing a heavy tank

[burnt venture]

WG can barely play the game, they shouldn't be giving players more than just the basics because they're just not qualified to do so

[fickle tinsel]

I remember when alexandra got exposed as a 30% player with black WN8

[cunning socket]

Lel

[burnt venture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732067733855797268/1055551500996317224/WoT_Blitz._Christmas_Livestream._Get_Valuable_Prizes_-_YouTube_-_Google_Chrome_2022-12-22_12-22-18_1_1.mp4?ex=65565e71&is=6543e971&hm=3d96c4d00fd117a52613ee9f546f925e161dd583f60e90174c205e5ab774c54c&

[fickle tinsel]

i remember darth antonius actually had decent stats though i think he was above uni

edit oh man he fell off hard he used to be super uni

i wouldn't be surprised if they normally play pc but then pull out the tablets for their livestreams because they still stubbornly ban PC play from tournaments even tho tablets are arguably better due to autoaim and the majority of players now are probably PC

[teal crystal]

cap

[fickle tinsel]

not cap was streaming the t22 during some event on tablet

[winter dagger]

It isn't cap, they devs not the players just look at 10.3 patch :KEKW:

[teal crystal]

I was saying it was cap, devs don't play their own game
yeah ik 10.3 was a garbage rebalance

[winter dagger]

I mean they played like 2 games each time on the stream or smth (but I mean that's not good anyways lol)

[potent stratus]

that's her main account btw

[barren goblet]

They already put them close to town and point tanks in direction. Then people just drive to closest place because turning tank is hard

[clear shuttle]

nah by the time you get to the hill on middleburg ur meds already died within the first 30 seconds 💀

[shrewd sandal]

add single player/story mode for non-competitive players like me

[stone drum]

Well WG has been buffing hard terrains resistances & nerfing medium terrain resistances to help encourage players to follow the roads and likely the perceived "right direction".

[ancient rampart]

😂

[shrewd sandal]

how is that funny

[wicked quest]

Because it’s really funny

[shrewd sandal]

its not i like versing bots. what about the multi-gun feature from console?

[shrewd sandal]

? ok

[teal crystal]

I did Notsee that coming

[clear yacht]

FV4005 needs to be Nerfed, I went right though it's turret when I went to ram. I could have killed him but only did 290 somehow??!!!

[remote gate]

Maybe you shouldn't ram a 4005

[clear yacht]

I'm doing mad games, my ability allows me to do an extra 65% damage when I ram

[real bison]

landing on someone iirc isn’t conditions for a ram, plus, the only time the turret has a collision hit box is when it’s off of the tank

[nimble zodiac]

Yeah it's not the reason FV4005 needs to be nerfed for, even if other reasons justify a nerf. That's just Blitz physics for ya

[stone drum]

Honestly the tank is fine now.

[inner frost]

Please rebalanced the Annihilator (devs answer pls !!!)

[proud abyss]

Ok (ignored)

[tacit parcel]

Okay (added tungsten shells and reduced max speed by 1km)

[inner frost]

Is this flank ?

[thorny timber]

No,it's a menace of an upgrade

[inner frost]

Futile, I want to chat with devs, not player !

[unique scaffold]

As if they will listen