Queer Politics

[soft elk]

they might have done it in the past but not happening as we speak

i dont get how you can defend a country actively commiting genocide and violating its owns peoples private lives.

[red bison]

The Chinese government has denied this

[soft elk]

ofcourse they fucking do??

they arent gonna admit to it

[red bison]

I'm reading about it rn and it's all allegations

Not only that but there has been nothing recent about it the past 3 years, no reports

The so called "workers" there are reportedly living happy lives

[severe vigil]

dude

[soft elk]

same thing germany said during the holocaust

[severe vigil]

^

[red bison]

You cannot be serious

[severe vigil]

the USA cannot be described as "very good" either

[red bison]

No way you are comparing this to the holocaust they are nothing alike

[severe vigil]

but I would not trust China's stance

[red bison]

Yeah this makes sense

I can see this happenign

happening*

[soft elk]

you can not trust the ones doing it and their reports.

[severe vigil]

and like, there is A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE FOR THE PERSECUTION OF UYGHURS. This is consensus internationally

[red bison]

the evidence all came from themselves

and there has been nothing since 2020

[severe vigil]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China#Denial_of_abuses

[lofty anvil]

🧍‍♂️

[lofty anvil]

I wonder why💀

[red bison]

Again, there is nothing that cinforms this is still happening

[red bison]

And this shows me why

They're behaving like the other extremist groups

No doubt about that

[severe vigil]

the only thing which informs it that abuse doesn't happen is your contrarianism and ignorance of other facts

[red bison]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason for all this

[red bison]

Then tell me why there are no concentration camps there

Despite claims of such things

[long pier]

Guys if you can’t have a discussion without going to a argument I’m going to shut this discussion down

[lofty anvil]

Is there evidence of a significant extremist threat in Xinjiang?

[long pier]

The purpose of this channel is not to argue one of another

[red bison]

Yes there is, there were attack and bomb threats

"From 1990 to the end of 2016, terrorists and religious extremists carried out several thousand terrorist attacks in Xinjiang"

[severe vigil]

why did the allegations appear to begin with, why are there photographs, and why is this a global consensus?

[lofty anvil]

Good idea🙏

[long pier]

Thank you

[lofty anvil]

Could you link a source on this? :D

[severe vigil]

though yes, it would be best to avoid continuing

[wispy idol]

Soup

[red bison]

sorry we need to talk about billboard I will drop this topic

[long pier]

Yes you can discuss it but if it leads to the party being angry, it’s best to drop it

[mystic sandal]

Sooo.. who’s ready for January….(not me)

[severe vigil]

i'm sort of looking over here depressed in Finland since things could go badly for the EU in a worst case scenario

[soft elk]

our greens were cooking with this one

[mystic sandal]

America is a fever dream

Like wdym we basically worship a flag (the pledge)

[red bison]

More like worship hamburgers and eagles

[rugged moat]

Insane 💀

[rugged moat]

Yeah I stopped doing the pledge in like middle school 😭

[mystic sandal]

I’ve never done it, girl I cannot stand for a whole minute with my hand over my heart without losing my balance ahaha

[rugged moat]

Ah damn 😭

[mystic sandal]

I’d rather not fall

Also like… wdym we have to basically worship a flag to prove we respect veterans 💀

My papa and great grandpa are veterans and hated the pledge ahaha

[rugged moat]

Yeah, my grandpa is a veteran (idk how he feels about the pledge) but idk I don’t like it

Culty vibes yk

[mystic sandal]

My papa said it made him feel like he was being worshipped like a God

And they do not enjoy having a pedestal

[viscid seal]

The thing that sucks is teachers basically make you do it when you’re younger they tell you to stand and do it lol but when I got to like 7th or 8th grade I didn’t have to do it anymore lol

[long pier]

Honestly as someone living herre but not raised here its weird

We only honor the Aruban flags on very important days

[viscid seal]

I always thought it was too tbh I know it’s america but I never understood why they put the American flag in classrooms and make you devote your life to it lol

[long pier]

We do it on March 18th its our independent day

That's it

[long pier]

Yes that's weird to me we do put in our class sometimes but its just a symbol of us being proud Arubans we don't devote it

[viscid seal]

Tbh I don’t really do fireworks anymore except when I have some extra money but it’s funny seeing the dog go crazy over them

[mystic sandal]

Honestly I was never forced it was js frowned upon

[long pier]

I don't like seeing my dog be scared /lh

[long pier]

Yeah we only have ONE day that's it

[mystic sandal]

Fun fact, dogs go crazy is cs it actually hurts their ears!!! /lh

[long pier]

WE also party on that day because we are Caribbeans and we can't help ourselves but we do love that day ❤️

[mystic sandal]

Who doesn’t love a good ole party

Okay so yk how American health care is mad expensive

[long pier]

Right!! that's how we show our love for our Independence ❤️

[mystic sandal]

Why is animal health care even worse sometimes

[long pier]

Honestly ya'll insurance confuses me, in Aruba you get a card called ASV and you get it when you become a citizen of the island

[viscid seal]

There’s Medicare and Medicaid but even then you have to still pay a bit of money 😭

[long pier]

The government pays for the major ones a bit and you pay the rest

[mystic sandal]

, fidelis too!

[long pier]

One time I got a free ear cleaning because I have the card

[viscid seal]

Ngl ear cleanings sound like they feel great

[mystic sandal]

Also you fedlis-Medicade as an insurance (lowkey one of the better ones)

[mystic sandal]

Real

[mystic sandal]

Lucky

[long pier]

Mhm we follow the Dutch law and since we are under the Dutch Kingdom still we still follow the ways of Europeans in some ways

[mystic sandal]

We could have worse medical care, like waiting years for a diagnosis

[long pier]

Like we are required by law to get a Sunday off a month AND paid double on holidays

[viscid seal]

Ngl I could move to Aruba rn I’d be happy forever

[mystic sandal]

Aruba definitely has their own problems too!!

Every country does

[long pier]

Yes we do

Like its not queer friendly and a lot this are like 5 years behind

Also way to expensive to live

[mystic sandal]

I hope one day Aruba can become queer friendly

[long pier]

I hope so too the elders needs to get a clue

[viscid seal]

Next best thing: create my own country lol

Apparently you technically can in america cause i heard you can rent or buy an amount of land for like 10k

[mystic sandal]

I doubt land is js 10k with this economy

Also it would not be recognized

[viscid seal]

I know I just thought it’d be pretty cool :]

[severe vigil]

Wait

So you did this like, daily or weekly?

[viscid seal]

It was every single morning before class it was only once a day before your first class started 👁👁

[severe vigil]

ok yeah that's not a thing in Finland or any European country that I know of

[viscid seal]

I still remember how we had to stand and some of what we had to say lol

[severe vigil]

And like idrk what to make of it

It sounds bad

I don't think little me would survive an American school because I might have genuinely objected to that

[viscid seal]

I find it ironic how public schools here can’t make you be Christian or pray but somewhere in the pledge it says “one nation under god” lol

[severe vigil]

In finland the only particularly patriotic things are independence day and I guess military service (and even them that is a fairly practical thing anyways)

And we really don't tie pride for our country with religion

[viscid seal]

Tbh some Christians in the us are bad like like there’s literally missionaries that knock on doors wanting you to be Christian if you’re not already

Like they walk to the front door of your house and start knocking lol

[severe vigil]

In Finland we do get Jehovah's witnesses, but I haven't met one personally

This being said I know they're here because their offices are stupidly big

[viscid seal]

Tbh I never really understood why it’s the biggest religion and how people get so defensive over it

[severe vigil]

America has some weird mentalities on religion the more I've looked into it

I've heard some people there really don't like the idea of irreligion

[viscid seal]

Wanna know the stupid thing? Apparently there was this one time where this guy went to court for doing a crime and the judge gave him a lesser sentence for being Christian so pretty much being religious is favored

[severe vigil]

yup

[severe vigil]

The thing is I'm very used to not being religious, and I've never been questioned for it

Finland does have a religion subject at school, but the catch is we also have secular ethics as an alternative

article on the subject for clatification
https://europeanacademyofreligionandsociety.com/news/finnish-religious-education-based-on-ones-own-religion/

[viscid seal]

Tbh I find that pretty cool I’m ngl recently I’ve been thinking about if any other religion would fit me better or if I’m just not religious at all but idk yet

[mystic sandal]

Alrighty everyone

United health care ceo.. is gone

Hopefully we get a better one that’ll make changes

[mystic sandal]

I’m scared of them I’m ngl. They’re so intimidating

[severe vigil]

They're not very inviting, yeah.

[mystic sandal]

10000000%

[red bison]

Killed in NYC right

[mystic sandal]

Listen as a New Yorker it is my obligation to say I saw nothing 😁/ref (yes)

[red bison]

Oml

I feel like this stuff always happens there tho, I wonder how these politicians and people in authority protect themselves

[viscid seal]

Pretty much having a million body guards lol

[severe vigil]

And the money to do so effectively I'd imagine

[red bison]

Apparently it's not working

[mystic sandal]

Oh yea

NYC is like known for crimes like tha

Nicolae Ceaușescu was one of the most horrific ppl I ever deep dived upon (a dictator in Romanian)

[red bison]

More than that...

[soft elk]

my knowledge about NYC is times square and home alone 2 💪

[red bison]

I mean it's one of the most important and richest cities in the world so tend to know lots about it

As well as having visited a few times

The place did seem run down by politics and felt like a crime zone :(

Sadly

[soft elk]

i was suprisded about the budget of the NYPD 💀 actual insane amount

[red bison]

Meanwhile California

Honestly so weird that the biggest state which already has a lot of crime opted to reduce their PD budget

And as a result of it, crime rates went up

Shocker

[mystic sandal]

Well we weren’t talking abt what else it was known for 🩷. I think I would know considering I live in the same state and go there every weekend. /lh

[mystic sandal]

Wait do yall not get taught abt the event in 2001? /genq

[soft elk]

we do

[mystic sandal]

Ohh

I sure hope you’d know abt that to /silly

Too? Idk

[red bison]

Yeah I meant more than crimes like that

NYC is a full on crime zone

It's also politically unstable tho so it makes sense

It's hard for the biggest cities in countries to be non political and safe

But NYC being in US which is already quite an unsafe country just has it worse sadly

[mystic sandal]

Yea I went down in July and watched crime happen in front of me

Have no fear romania!/ elections got canceled in the second round bc they found everything the man did and the fact he had relations to russia!

[red bison]

My parents vsiited a few times before I was born too, they planned on moving there but the crime and weather drove them away

So they stayed in LA unwillingly until they finally managed to escape

Political cities are the worst

[mystic sandal]

I’m so glad they were saved. That was actually horrific

[red bison]

At least capital cities are left wing and progressive

In every country

[mystic sandal]

They’re worried that Romania will end up being in hands of Russia again, Putin claimed Romania was “his”

[severe vigil]

Putin is generally worrisome as a figure

[soft elk]

everything is political tho.. no such thing as unpolitical

[red bison]

Yes but some are much more so than others

I can name quite a few cities that aren't heavily political including capital cities, depends on the country ig

[severe vigil]

I don't see your point

The mentality regarding politics does vary

some places are calmer about it or overall less strongly partisanal

[soft elk]

which capital cities?

[red bison]

Singapore, Abu Dhabi, Canberra, Kuwait City, Wellington, Reykjavik, Nicosia, Nassau, Ljubljana, Manama

[soft elk]

were so back, assad has fallen

[severe vigil]

huh?

[soft elk]

bro is gone, fled syria

the rebels took over

[red bison]

Syria is cooked

[mystic sandal]

Real

[mystic sandal]

Yayyyy!!!

[severe vigil]

it's a really obvious thing to say, yes, but I'm generally concerned about how Trump's proposal will go let alone how effective it will be in the long run

[severe vigil]

Putin definitely is quite willing to make seeming threats of nuclear war, that's for sure

[mystic sandal]

Yea I see ur point

[severe vigil]

Trump's now saying he'll withdraw the US from Nato if other member countries aren't "paying their bills"

which sure inspires hope

(that is to say absolute resentment towards him given what is at risk)

[mystic sandal]

We could go against our closet alliance. Canada is getting prepared to start a trade ||war|| with the United States if Trump does do the tariffs.

My two homes would be beefing bruh

[severe vigil]

wow

[mystic sandal]

Yup!

[viscid seal]

Tbh he shouldn’t be starting problems with the biggest countries especially the ones that trade us the most stuff such as Canada and china

[mystic sandal]

Last I knew he was buddy buddy with Mr headman of China. Canada? Honestly it wouldn’t effect the whole of America deeply it would definitely hurt the areas close to the border as that’s how we rely on stuff

[viscid seal]

Ikr and with electricity the Canada’s president or whatever could just be like you know what turn off their electricity and don’t send them syrup and watch trump realize he messed up

[mystic sandal]

Upstate New York makes syrup LMAO we could start that up if ppl truly needed it

Like my family makes it

[viscid seal]

Still can’t believe they took away aunt jamima syrup and replaced it with something else😔

[severe vigil]

Thank you for reminding me of the existence of maple syrup as a non-American /lh

Curiously it's not actually possible to do in Europe because of soil conditions

[viscid seal]

My question is what does soil have to do with anything lol

(Having to do with the syrup)

[long pier]

Maple syrup comes from the sap of the trees and it’s translucent in color and it’s the natural sugar of the trees

[viscid seal]

I figured but wasn’t very sure

[long pier]

Soil is very important for fruits or stuff we consume from plants

[severe vigil]

Wait no correction, weather

[long pier]

That too

[mystic sandal]

Weather, well it needs to hit a certain degree for sap to build up, and than at night it has to hit a lower degree. So for an example we need it to be above 35°F but if it’s anything like 55° F during the day we will not have sap!

Sap is based upon temp and weather

[severe vigil]

Yeah I see

Birch sap is harvested in Finland and Russia still, although it's typically not on sale here

[long pier]

Also maple sugar is just tree sap cooked to that desired color like natures natural caramel

[mystic sandal]

I hate the taste of birch sap LOL

[mystic sandal]

oh there’s like 30 colours my family will cook it to depending on the person

Hold on lemme get a chart we often used

[long pier]

Yeah it requires the same technique of making caramel kind of because caramel can change the color a bit depending on what you like

[mystic sandal]

I can’t find our chart LOL but here’s an example

[long pier]

That’s very pretty

[mystic sandal]

The lighter your syrup the more delicate, and milder your flavoring will be

The darker we get the more strong and shoved in ur face it is

[long pier]

Mhm same as caramel

[mystic sandal]

I want Caramel now LOL

[long pier]

XD

My degree comes out with baking ingredients

[mystic sandal]

But yea if we don’t get a lucky autumn/winter season then we’re doomed

[mystic sandal]

AHHAHA

So what’s the difference between dark brown sugar and light brown sugar HMM /silly /t

[long pier]

The molasses level

Dark brown has more then light brown

[mystic sandal]

Ohh

Cs the cookies I made needed light brown and not dark brown like dang

[long pier]

Mhm you can still use either but the taste might change a bit

Both are good tho

But this channel is not for this topic and i need to stop myself XD

[mystic sandal]

Omg me too cs I was js abt to ask smth else HAHAHA

baking is js a topic I could yappp abt

[long pier]

Same!

[mystic sandal]

Okay now I need to stop 😭😭

Or else I’m never gonna AHAHHA

[long pier]

[mystic sandal]

Oh yea the man that ended that ceo was caught

[mystic sandal]

Dean withers was invited to the White House

[stoic lava]

There’s really no point in NATO anymore

The USSR is gone

NATO was made to prepare for WWIII if the USSR decided to nuke the US

and, when Putin invaded Ukraine in 2013 he broke that agreement, NATO and Russia had to put in place in 1991 when the USSR did fall

If there ever is a WWIII, I don’t really think we’ll walk away from that

[long pier]

It’s blocked by auto mod for a reason please do not post screenshots of it

[stoic lava]

It's an automatic offing match, the US+NATO vs BRICS+North Korea

Putin is crazy, but he’s not crazy enough to provoke war on America when we single-handedly destroyed the biggest, strongest, more nuclear advanced country in history

Putin was a high ranking KGB officer so he felt and seen his entire empire fall

[severe vigil]

I'm speaking from a European perspective

[stoic lava]

That’s different

If Putin takes Ukraine that’s the end

[severe vigil]

The thing is, I would ideally have Europe have American support than go without, which is why I'd have the US as a part of Nato

[stoic lava]

And if Trump withdraws the NATO that leaves all of Europe to him to rebuild the USSR

but, Trump won’t do that I hope

[soft elk]

we should be less dependent on the USA but still be friends

[stoic lava]

That won’t work

Most countries in Europe need the US

Ugh

if the USA didn't intervene in WWll many countries would have went to Adolf and Joseph

In simple terms

The US can leave NATO and be fine, but Europe would probably fall

I did exaggerate a lot

If Putin did take Ukraine that’s doesn’t especially mean the end, NATO would still be there and the US would still support all those countries but if he does he takes a major eastern European country

And I don’t think all of Europe would fall and go to Putin but in theoretically its possible

And it’s hard to predict WWIII and many army’s together but it’s a good say that it won’t end well at all

[viscid seal]

I remember in 2018 there was supposedly a warning that it would happen but obviously it never did

[stoic lava]

What would?

[viscid seal]

WW3

[stoic lava]

Ohhhh yes yes

The states that would go first are Washington, California North Dakota, Colorado and Missouri

The countries that would fall are Ukraine, Poland, Estonia and Taiwan

North Korea and china would attack South Korea killing civilians and military personnel and since America has many military bases in South Korea and once they get attacked it’s automatically WWIII

China is in BRICS so Russia would then bomb tf out of Ukraine, taking that and taking Poland and Estonia

And once he takes them he’s entering a war with all of NATO

Pretty much half the world

[long pier]

I'm stopping this discussion right here it is not appropriate to have in this server

[mystic sandal]

You do realize NATI is more than just combatting communism right?/lh

Anyways Trump was declared times person of the year

[stoic lava]

Yes

[stoic lava]

So was Adolf and Joseph

[mystic sandal]

Girl what.. I’m js saying he won this year.

[stoic lava]

Indeed

I thought you meant negative lol

Everyone on TikTok is acting surprised

[mystic sandal]

No lol

I’m not surprised

He is the most memorable and influential person of this year

Even if it was a neg unfluence

[stoic lava]

You’re a Trump supporter?

[mystic sandal]

Kamala almost won

[mystic sandal]

^^^^

[stoic lava]

Her candidacy was horrible

[mystic sandal]

She was still extremely memorable

Millions of young girls will remember Kamala for giving them courage to stand up

[stoic lava]

He did a lot in 107 days I’ll give her that, but she should have did it sooner

[stoic lava]

We have Hillary for that

Hillary was the closest woman out of 23 to win

She’s third for the most votes in election history

[mystic sandal]

She couldn’t 😭😭

She was elected late.

[stoic lava]

She^^

[stoic lava]

Very late

[mystic sandal]

And it takes times to prepare

[stoic lava]

The problem I have with her is

She blew 1 billion in 3 months, imagine 4 years 💀

[mystic sandal]

Hillary did NOT show poc girls that they can stand up there and become a government official. Hilary did not give the same empowerment to girls like Kamala

[stoic lava]

That’s where Kamala went wrong

Hillary was in politics for like 50 years

[mystic sandal]

…how long do u think kamla Harris was in politics

[stoic lava]

She was a voice for everyone, male, female, gay, straight etc.

[stoic lava]

21 years

Prosecutor in 2003

Trump was in politics 8

Wait no

Technically 24

That’s when he first ran for president as democrat

Then independent in 2012 and 2016 as republican and 2024

[mystic sandal]

She’s been in politics way before becoming a prosecutor /lh u don’t have to be a government official to be in politics

[turbid mirage]

The problem with kamala was instead of mobilising the actual voters she pandered too far to the right imo

[mystic sandal]

She has actively fought on the democratic side since she was 20-ish, before officially becoming a government official. She has had both sides of the experience.

[stoic lava]

I was saying she became a politician in 2003

[mystic sandal]

True

[verbal mountain]

I don't think that the length of time either of them was "in politics" affected the vote...at least in my area

[turbid mirage]

Like personally I wouldn't appease the likes of cheney if I wanted to be a serious candidate

[mystic sandal]

LITERALLY!

Cs then Obama wouldn’t have won.

Obama was in politics for 20+ years when he became president😭

[stoic lava]

Obama gave hope

But, he wasn’t that good of a president

[mystic sandal]

So did kamla ?

So did Trump..

So did Biden.. “gave hope” is such a weak argument 😭 /nm /lh

[turbid mirage]

Imo they're both too far to the right

we need socialism in this world

[verbal mountain]

Kamala gave me hope, even though I am in a very red state.

[mystic sandal]

Let’s get the election of 1824 back /JOKE.

[turbid mirage]

she was like hey right wingers I'm worse than trump on this issue vote for me !

[mystic sandal]

When there were 4 final ppl running and nobody one the right smith so the house decided

[stoic lava]

I mean, he promised a lot, to end the war, to kill Osama, to give more money for schools, to provide support for everyone affected by Bush and his HORRIBLE policies that provoked a war in the wrong country

[mystic sandal]

Let’s censor words that r triggering please. /srs

[turbid mirage]

they need to stop letting Netanyahu doing whatever the heck he likes too

[mystic sandal]

Hear me out

[long pier]

I already had to delete the wording of your sentence please be mindful of others /lh

[soft elk]

just get rid of the two party system ez fix /s

[mystic sandal]

We make all the big officials sit in front of each other and just beef it out

[stoic lava]

Same, I’m not a republican or democrat by any means but I don’t like either but, I would rather Kamala than Trump

[stoic lava]

Which word?

[turbid mirage]

Either way both don't care about the working class Americans

But I'd vote blue if I was in America

[stoic lava]

REAL!!! But no politician does

[mystic sandal]

Kamala’s plan actually was gonna benefit more of the working class than trumps plan

Which is better THEN nothing

Than? Idk

[long pier]

TW heavy topic and mention of death ||kill||

[stoic lava]

Ohhhh sorry

[turbid mirage]

unfortunately the older you get the more you realise they all work for billionaires and only put good stuff in if it makes them look good

[turbid mirage]

Oh believe me I don't disagree

[stoic lava]

I mean, why didn’t she as vice president or senator?

[verbal mountain]

As I said multiple times, if I had a problem I needed to discuss with the new POTUS, who would I rather sit across from to share my story? One would at least listen, the other would disregard anything I said

[mystic sandal]

…girl…/silly

VP can’t don’t anything…

[stoic lava]

Not true

[long pier]

Also guys its ok to disagree but please do it in a civil manner /gen

[mystic sandal]

They are mainly there for the purpose incase our ||president dies||

[long pier]

If you feel like you are getting heated. Step way please

[stoic lava]

VP have the second highest power in the country, they have power under the 25th amendment

[turbid mirage]

Sorry if my tones off I'm mainly critiquing politics and nobody in here /gen

[stoic lava]

Idk how anyone can get mad at a screen 💀

[mystic sandal]

“The Constitution gives the vice president the tie-breaking power in the U.S. Senate and a role as the chief presiding officer there, so the first American vice presidents spent most of their time in Congress.”

[turbid mirage]

tbf she couldn't do a ton of stuff

[mystic sandal]

That is not enough to do something /lh

[long pier]

Tone is important, please be respectful

[long pier]

No I understand ❤️ but we try not to have a heated discussion or the topic makes you angry

[turbid mirage]

okay !!

[stoic lava]

“The full power of the vice president is quite extensive, with both legislative and executive responsibilities. Here are some of the key powers and duties:

• Presiding Officer of the Senate: The vice president serves as the president of the Senate, but they only vote in the event of a tie ¹.
• Tie-Breaking Vote: The vice president has the power to cast a tie-breaking vote in the Senate, which can significantly impact legislative decisions ².
• Presidential Succession: In the event of the president's removal, death, resignation, or inability to discharge their duties, the vice president assumes the presidency ¹.
• Counting Electoral Votes: The vice president is responsible for presiding over the joint session of Congress to count and certify electoral votes ².
• Advising the President: The vice president serves as a key advisor to the president, often taking on significant responsibilities in areas like foreign policy and economic development ³.
• Representing the Administration: The vice president represents the administration in various capacities, including diplomatic missions and ceremonial events ³.
• Leading Task Forces: The vice president may be tasked with leading special task forces or initiatives, leveraging their expertise and influence to drive policy outcomes ³.

Overall, the vice president plays a critical role in supporting the president, advancing legislative priorities, and ensuring the continuity of government.”

[turbid mirage]

I understand/gen

[long pier]

Thank you ❤️

[mystic sandal]

I’m chill sorry if I sounds like I’m not, I enjoy hearing perspectives I’m just awful with wording /gen

[long pier]

Its ok ❤️

[stoic lava]

Very true, I don’t like politics but, Kamala ran on the same plans as Biden this is primarily the reason she lost a lot of votes because people were tired of Biden but, I seriously think people have no idea what really causes inflation the most

[stoic lava]

Same, I swear I’m never mean 💀😭

[mystic sandal]

Again that’s still not enough

[stoic lava]

@mystic sandal

[turbid mirage]

and unfortunately inflation isn't going to improve either because trumps tax play is abysmal

[stoic lava]

That still doesn’t affect inflation

[mystic sandal]

Considering Biden had his wife help him during his terms Kamala was just there in case of emergency

She technically became president for a week 😭😭

[stoic lava]

The president can’t control inflation at all or add to it

[mystic sandal]

Biden handed power over so he could undergo ||surgery||.

[stoic lava]

Inflation is controlled by the federal reserve and most of inflation is government spending

Meaning the US government is paying more money and taking more money in taxes than it’s supposed to

[turbid mirage]

Yeah honestly Biden and trump are both way too old to run imo

[mystic sandal]

Preach

[stoic lava]

YESSSS THIS

[mystic sandal]

Where’s our 31 year old at

Ugh we need someone closer to our generation

[stoic lava]

Reallllll

[turbid mirage]

I can't say who I want to be president in here haha

[mystic sandal]

Ruh roh

That doesn’t sound good /silly /j

[stoic lava]

Trump?

[turbid mirage]

Absolutely not

[mystic sandal]

Taylor swift for president !!!! /JOKE

[turbid mirage]

Nah

[stoic lava]

LMAO

I would say Candace Owens

[turbid mirage]

Uhh

No

She's a grafter

Grifter

[stoic lava]

Charlie Kirk

[mystic sandal]

I’d like to see another celebrity become president

[turbid mirage]

bro are you joking

[stoic lava]

No

[mystic sandal]

Yk who would be good

[stoic lava]

Jimmy Carter

Get that man back

[mystic sandal]

Berny!!!

[stoic lava]

Bernie Sanders?

[turbid mirage]

Let's just say these people don't have your interests in mind and only want to make money off creating made up issues

[mystic sandal]

Yessir !

[turbid mirage]

they learn debate tactics but they are truly vile people

[stoic lava]

That man is older than Trump and Biden

[mystic sandal]

Yet he has better morals

And he’s made Vermont a better place

Like extremely better

[stoic lava]

Idk much on him lol

The worst president IMO is Andrew Johnson or Harry Truman or George W. Bush

[mystic sandal]

Learn abt him! Hes all about lgbtq+ rights etc

[stoic lava]

One of them 3

[turbid mirage]

ibr bernie does actually seem like one of the few people who care about working class

[long pier]

I love that silly old man

[mystic sandal]

If my dad saw u say George he’d be jumping for joy

[mystic sandal]

REAL! He literally fell asleep during a meeting

Like me too

[stoic lava]

Bush is the worst president since Truman

[mystic sandal]

He’s done more volunteer work than half the state senators combined

[long pier]

OMG XDD

[mystic sandal]

WAIT lemme see if i can find it

[long pier]

He's so silly XD

[turbid mirage]

rukio why do you like Charlie kirk /genq

[stoic lava]

He started an unnecessary war in the WRONG country, ||killed|| THOUSANDS, committed multiple war crimes in office, left with a huge war on Obama etc

[stoic lava]

I don’t

He’s weird asf

[turbid mirage]

Oh good 😭

I was about to give you a whole ass lecture

[mystic sandal]

Please again censor triggering words. /srs

[stoic lava]

Sorry

[mystic sandal]

Did you know Bernie ran for president in 2016

[soft elk]

dont like any potential president, none of them fit my vibe

[mystic sandal]

But he didn’t win cs he was under the “other” party

[stoic lava]

Yes

[turbid mirage]

ya but the corporate hacks were like no we can't have someone who cares about working class !!

[mystic sandal]

Fr

[stoic lava]

Real

[mystic sandal]

And Bernie is retiring soon </3

[stoic lava]

Truman should have gotten punishment for what he did in WWII

I also liked Nixon

Hated LBJ

JFK was good

[stoic lava]

Kind of

[turbid mirage]

i mean most presidents are essentially not very good with overseas issues let's just say

[long pier]

Well he is old XD

[mystic sandal]

If we had an age reverser. Only Bernie deserves it fr

Our silly old man

[stoic lava]

So many grammar mistakes

[mystic sandal]

He’s also pushing for a 32-hour week in Vermont

[verbal mountain]

Just a little reminder... It's good to review our best practices #1245434490898354276 message for this channel just so we make sure we stay on topic

[mystic sandal]

Like imma move to Vermont

[turbid mirage]

@stoic lava what I was basically saying is pretty much all presidents are basically awful people overseas

[stoic lava]

True, but he shouldn’t have dropped 2 of the worst bombs in human history. America had to sign into international war law to never use atomic bombs ever again ||killed|| hundreds of thousand including many children. Albert Einstein after helping make the bomb fell into deep ||depression|| and regretted it every day of his life

[stoic lava]

True, except John Kennedy

He was good at that

[mystic sandal]

Nope he even did bad stuff too /lh

[stoic lava]

Very true

I respect him because he ended segregation which was also the reason the party switch happened

[turbid mirage]

moral of the story is don't worship politicians

[verbal mountain]

I think it is fair to say every world leader has done bad stuff but we don't need to rehash it here...

[turbid mirage]

except for Karl marx /hj

[mystic sandal]

My question is.. why do we expect presidents to be saints, when we all are horrible in some way (this is like a down to earth not including all the yk)

Sorry that made no sense omh

[stoic lava]

The German philosopher

[mystic sandal]

HELP i knew instantly

[stoic lava]

?

[mystic sandal]

Ur joke caught me so off guard/pos

[turbid mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/lenin-cat-communism-ussr-soviet-gif-15638833026408186724

[verbal mountain]

I don't expect sainthood...I do expect a *certain * amount of decorum, intelligence, kindness, and respect for ALL humans.

[stoic lava]

Motherland

[mystic sandal]

Oh yea me too but I js see some ppl expect sainthood

[stoic lava]

In yalls opinion who was the best president in history?

[turbid mirage]

but tbf my ideology is basically everyone should have basic rights, billionaires shouldn't exist and people shouldn't have to go homeless if something baf happens to them

[mystic sandal]

RCM idk if u know this old saying but I was taught it today “you should never believe a person when they say who they are” because if they do something bad you cannot say “oh but they wouldn’t do that!” It applies to politicians too

[stoic lava]

That would mean the system works

[turbid mirage]

Britney spears /j

[stoic lava]

I can’t name one song from her

[mystic sandal]

Kamala Harris /Jj (she was president for a week)

[turbid mirage]

bro 😭 /lh /nm

[mystic sandal]

Wrecking ball?

Oh wait that’s Miley

[stoic lava]

💀

[turbid mirage]

I have Britney on my workout playlisy

Playlist

[mystic sandal]

Yk the founder fathers never expected democracy last this long

So props to us if?

Ig*

[stoic lava]

I didn’t like most of them

I hate Washington

[mystic sandal]

I liked Alexander Hamilton/ref /j

[turbid mirage]

I should start my own country

[stoic lava]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[mystic sandal]

Me too!

[stoic lava]

Make me the VP

[mystic sandal]

Let’s do it Luke

On a wee island

[verbal mountain]

I think that very much applies to politicians. Clearly, the US system is broken. We need term limits for congress and Supreme Court justices, we need to abolish the electoral college (not now though), we need a more than 2 party system, we need to make sure all voices are represented...we need to limit political funding....and that it just a start

[stoic lava]

It would be impossible to abolish the electoral college

[mystic sandal]

No bc when I learned the judges get to be lifetime. I was shocked

[stoic lava]

That’s civil war

[turbid mirage]

They need proportional representation in voting

[mystic sandal]

Also they are legally ALLOWED to take bribery

[turbid mirage]

yeah they need term limkts

They need a donation cap iml

Imo

[mystic sandal]

Nuh uh it’s called amending the constitution or smth

Smth along the lines of that

[verbal mountain]

It would require a change to the constitution which I don't want anyone currently in power to lead

or access

[stoic lava]

I meant for long-term not how to break a constitutional law

[mystic sandal]

Real LOL

bring it back to when we didn’t have the electoral college

Kamala would’ve won

[turbid mirage]

I dislike vance even more than I dislike trump

He's such a weirdo and should stay out of women's buisnes

[mystic sandal]

Vance makes me laugh bc he would smack talk trump

Like wdym ur now siding with the Man U hated once

[stoic lava]

I meant if we take out the electoral college it would mean civil war, this is what the founding fathers were afraid about

[stoic lava]

Kamala hated Biden

[mystic sandal]

We had one once before

We can do round two

[stoic lava]

And who won that?

[mystic sandal]

Let the gen-z hit the frontline it’ll js be TikTok’s /j

[mystic sandal]

The NORTHHH (w for us)

[turbid mirage]

they all probably dislike each other let's be so fr they're politicians not besties

[stoic lava]

What party was the north?

[turbid mirage]

Or just see how they can use each other

[stoic lava]

True

[mystic sandal]

….. neither? It was the north vs the south

It wasn’t a party issue

Like thirty thousands issues lead to them beefing

Mainly ||slavery||

[stoic lava]

The union vs confederate

[mystic sandal]

A lot of the north did not apply themselves as a party when that ||war|| happened

[stoic lava]

During the Civil War it was a republican who ended it, and his vice president tried to bring it back

[mystic sandal]

Do u have evidence?

/genq

[stoic lava]

Hold up

I got a lot

[soft elk]

all wearing a get along shirt

[turbid mirage]

Real

[mystic sandal]

With the #peaceandlove sign hanging on their office walls /j

[mystic sandal]

Is it solid or substantial evidence ?

Also did yk Bernie dropped out of the 2020 race

[stoic lava]

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/aug/02/joe-biden/debate-biden-said-google-1000-prisoners-freed-kama/

The video is loading

[stoic lava]

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/01/democratic-debate-kamala-harris-tulsi-gabbard-joe-biden-fact-check/amp/

He basically called her a horrible attorney General and that she would make a horrible president

[mystic sandal]

“Basically” okay so he didn’t got it /lh

[turbid mirage]

they're politicians what do we expect 💀

[stoic lava]

I dumbed it down

[turbid mirage]

of course one would smear the other to get a promotion

[stoic lava]

He called her a horrible AG

and that she would make a horrible president

I summed it up perfectly

[mystic sandal]

I don’t see anything abt the president

[stoic lava]

Watch the video? It’s a presidential debate.

You won’t attack someone on their past if you want them to win??

[mystic sandal]

I was listening but I was more shocked we could hear what bro was saying

😭🙏

[stoic lava]

And Biden is the reason she dropped out in 2020 because people started seeing what she did

[stoic lava]

Biden is smart asf

He was in there his whole life

[turbid mirage]

ibr he was dragging her but people do that all the time in debates

[stoic lava]

It doesn’t mean you have a dementia that you are automatically stupid

[mystic sandal]

FR

[turbid mirage]

Debates aren't exactly a good way of measuring capabilities it's just the best public speaker who wins anyway

[stoic lava]

My grandfather had an IQ of 160 and read 4 books a day at 20,000 words a minute and when he got dementia he was still smart asf even tho he couldn’t speak or remember words

[mystic sandal]

Fun fact

Most debates are usually scripted!

[turbid mirage]

For example vance; an utter tool but good debater

[stoic lava]

He’s also smart with words

[mystic sandal]

Everyone hated the Trump and Biden debate but I LOVED it bruh

I never had more entertainment in my life relating to politics

[stoic lava]

Trump just dog walked him

[turbid mirage]

He is but he's an awful man

[mystic sandal]

I sooo disagree they both dog walked each other 😭😭

[turbid mirage]

Biden should've pulled out months ago

[mystic sandal]

They both snapped back

[stoic lava]

Can we not not forget that Biden called Trump Abraham Lincoln in the 2020 debate?

[mystic sandal]

Trump was soooo incoherent against Kamala tho

[stoic lava]

Biden looked lost, Trump was smiling 💀 Trump destroyed him in every way possible

[mystic sandal]

All I heard was yap and no seriousness

[mystic sandal]

Js cs Biden looked it doesn’t mean it portrayed how he felt,

I be looking happy when I’m grumpy LMAO

[stoic lava]

Kamala said there’s no active duty military personnel in any other country and this is a HUGE lie 💀

[stoic lava]

Did we watch the same debate?

[mystic sandal]

yes we did!!! But we both have different opinions and perspectives 💜 /lh

[stoic lava]

I guess

Based on my personality who do you think I wanted to win?

[mystic sandal]

Cheeto

[turbid mirage]

I think I can guess.

[stoic lava]

Guess

[mystic sandal]

Luke u sent that as i was thinking it 😭

[turbid mirage]

🍊

[mystic sandal]

Also ur pfp is so cute

[stoic lava]

No?

[mystic sandal]

Same vibe

[stoic lava]

I hate Trump

[turbid mirage]

okay so you'd vote blue but you're very critical of either party

[stoic lava]

He’s a horrible person, businessman, liar, plagiarist among other things

[mystic sandal]

You’ve js been defending him like 90% of this conversation which is why we both thought that /lh

[stoic lava]

I hate the Democrats

[turbid mirage]

Me too but if I was American they'd get my vote as I think it would be the lesser of two evils

[stoic lava]

It’s not defending, i was correcting a few mistakes and putting in my opinion

[verbal mountain]

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[mystic sandal]

Preach it

[stoic lava]

Can yall guess my favorite president?

[turbid mirage]

Britney spears

[verbal mountain]

Reposting above since it's a good idea to read...or take a break when needed...

[turbid mirage]

Okay thank you /gen

[mystic sandal]

Can we move away from that topic as it seems to be causing heated discussions/gen

[stoic lava]

It’s not heated

[mystic sandal]

I wish these thingies had pins ☹️

[stoic lava]

I’m actually happy lol

Yall chill

[verbal mountain]

It is pinned.

[mystic sandal]

what

How do u get to them

I’m new to these man

[verbal mountain]

are you on mobile?

[mystic sandal]

Yes

[turbid mirage]

sorry if I caused any offence to either of yous, I wasn't trying to I was just trying to contribute to the discussion ❤️ /gen

[mystic sandal]

No i actually deeply enjoyed hearing your ideas!!!

You had some amazing points that swayed me /pos

[stoic lava]

Nah you good, I don’t even know what offense is anymore (this is meant figuratively)

[verbal mountain]

If you go to Queer Politics (or whatever channel) and click on settings, there will be a section for Pinned messages

click that and you can see

[mystic sandal]

Omg.. I’m so dumb lmaooo, they shld rlly put it in a non hidden spot

I was thinking it was gonna be the channels and have it right there when u click the name 😭

[turbid mirage]

Yeah I can't lie discord confuses me even though I've had it ages

[mystic sandal]

It chnaged sm I feel like a boomer

[turbid mirage]

The updates mess with my brain

[verbal mountain]

We started this channel mostly for queer related politics, but as a lot of current politics do affect the queer community, it's been a bit broader...but we still want to make it be with a spirit of welcoming and understanding

[verbal mountain]

I agree...

[stoic lava]

I don’t even know how to make a server

[mystic sandal]

The font change last year still has me struggling to read the chats

[verbal mountain]

Discord doesn't seem to follow the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" concept but the "this is working great, let's change it" one

[mystic sandal]

Frrr

Navigating my profile settings is so hard

[mystic sandal]

Trump threatened to annex Canada if they cannot handle the tariffs he wants placed.

[red bison]

Shocker

[severe vigil]

wow

[mystic sandal]

New York has been having drone sightings (like drones the average citizen can’t have)

The NYSPD is doing active investigations

[mystic sandal]

Donald Trump wants to SHUT down the department of education. 90% of US adults cannot read past the sixth grade level. Way to make it worse smh

[vale pond]

I feel like that’s an insane amount what!

[viscid seal]

It’s kinda ironic considering most adults were born before technology was prevalent in daily life and education

[soft elk]

south koreas president got impeached

[mystic sandal]

The education system used to be extremely bad, most US population are the boomers— the ones who had everything handed to them especially when it came to queer students, which half the US population is

[wispy idol]

how is that relevant to Queer News? /gen

[soft elk]

why specifically me and not the others talking about non queer related stuff like drones and education? /genq

https://koreapro.org/2024/03/south-koreas-hostility-to-lgbt-issues-is-a-failure-to-uphold-basic-human-rights/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/04/who-is-yoon-suk-yeol-south-korea-president-martial-law

also he is quite important for the queer rights in korea

[wispy idol]

because the way you originally presented it had no connection to the channels purpose. also, i don’t check this channel, so one time i check it and see you message being the most recent. others also should keep it on theme

[soft elk]

wasnt even the most recent message but sure

[red bison]

ig I'm cancelling my stay in South Korea

[mystic sandal]

Trump has some scary plans for the queer community :/ he openly admitted to lying abt his stuff smh

[viscid seal]

The thing that sucks is if/when he takes places in the office apparently project 2025 might happen and people still believe him when he says he had nothing to do with it

[soft elk]

tbf, with the new election its going to be someone different so hopefully someone more supportive

[red bison]

It's not just that though

Tensions between South and North Korea have been rising and it's dangerous now

I was planning on going to maybe Seoul for overseas study in uni but I think I'll skip after the recent issues

[soft elk]

understandable

[red bison]

kim is still sending drones dropping trash in seoul

scary asf

[soft elk]

yeah, wouldnt feel safe anywhere near him

[mystic sandal]

Project 2025 is scary!

[stoic lava]

If Kim even send 1 military officer to SK it’s WWIII

America has a duty to protect South Korea from any invasion or threat

Once America takes action, China will assist North Korea, Russia will take over Ukraine, getting to NATO, nuking NATO countries, taking charge while America uses its nuclear advantage and land area against an attack

That’s just a rundown, not what would actually happen

WWIII would most likely take place in the summer when land between America and Russia aren’t connected