Geography, Maps, History and Games

[pallid sparrow]

Huge

Politics are the future history of next generations remember

@zenith rock you like history and also maps me thinks and politics

i dont mind Politics, just when it becomes heated

[merry estuary]

big mistake on them for letting me join hre

[pallid sparrow]

I Wonder how this tragic war in ukraine will be portrayed in both us and russian history in schools later on, and also how many facts about this war are hidden to us yet for future generations may be revealed

But yeah, i dont know

But I often think about this

depends who wins i suppose

Because the facts often the tragic ones about some wars were discovered very late after they ended

Im still amazed about the amoint of facts or estimatss that historia s can get about ancient times

one thing i can never forget

[pallid sparrow]

Lol youre gonna destroy the hre

is that history is written by the victors so unles we time travel .we can never be certain

Yeah, definetly

If history was written in won by Adolf ww2 ( like in the man in the hifh castle) that would be scary tbh

But on the same side history that is written by the West with us leasing for example about libya is also full of lies so yeah.. i wont cover this deeply because this is not a political Channel

But we have to be always critical about modern history

[merry estuary]

big money

[tawdry girder]

appearantly he is a big comic fan

[pallid sparrow]

he must be

[tawdry girder]

https://twitter.com/RobertGarcia/status/1610396414353313793?s=20&t=IxYEWFhRj0bGpRKvOyQSpQ

Robert Garcia (@RobertGarcia)

Will be proudly sworn-in to Congress on the U.S. Constitution. Underneath the Constitution will be 3 items that mean a lot to me personally. A photo of my parents who I lost to covid, my citizenship certificate & an original Superman #1 from the @librarycongress. 🇺🇸😊

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[pallid sparrow]

that just reminded me

we all see democrats as progressive and republicans as not

but

the republicans where the one to end slavery and kick started the progressive era under teddy roosevelt

the democrats used to be the party of the south

Yeah true

I also knew that

But know it really changed

Now*

There are some progressive republicans from what ive heard though

That was a shocking info for me lol

there areny many but they exist

Yeah yeah

I know but still the fact lol

Id never think that

also

remember my project is alien space bats so the likelihood it would of happened is betewen 0 and 5 percent but

[zenith rock]

the only one i could possibly think of is phill scott, the republican governor of vermont

[pallid sparrow]

ayyyy stephen, you made it

[zenith rock]

anti-slavery and progressive era republicans have an entirely different platform

[pallid sparrow]

oh ik its just amusing to remember where they began

[zenith rock]

modern poltical structures started to come to frutition with woodrow wilson starting the economic basis for dems and then FDR really solidifying that

southerners gradually fell away from dems over decades, they sticked with them even into the 90s, and for governors, into the 2000s

[pallid sparrow]

huh

see this is why bringing you into this thread was smart

[zenith rock]

after the great depression started, the republicans continued to be the party of the wealthy/banks

and fdr started regulating the shit out of millionaires

taxing them severely

when jfk and lbj passed major works of legislation to advance civil rights and lbj's 'great society' dems in the south still stayed with the party, but they sometimes had their own factions, and gradually over decades started voting for republicans especially after the reagan revolution

[merry estuary]

2 provinces ❤️

[zenith rock]

by the time clinton won the presidency, the south was already gone but he pulled out two final wins for dems as the popular governor of arkansas and chair of the DGA

[pallid sparrow]

@pallid sparrow you want to read this, it answers why it happened

[zenith rock]

there's a lot more to this

but lbj is what started it

and the reagan revolution re-aligned the electorate

[pallid sparrow]

ah LBJ

[zenith rock]

southern white dems didnt like his stances on civil rights but they still liked him

less polarization

[pallid sparrow]

LBJ is always gonna be a hard one

[pallid sparrow]

Okay thanks

And thanks Steven for knowledge, gonna read right now

plus, i think you will like Stephen. he's smart when it comes to politics and history

[zenith rock]

lbj's domestic policies had lasting positive impacts for low income americans and people of color

[pallid sparrow]

you two will get along or have a good debate

[zenith rock]

i dont know much about his foreign policies other than being wildly unpopular about vietnam

[pallid sparrow]

i feel

if it wasent for vietnam

he would be considered close to one of the best

[merry estuary]

i have no clue how i made this happen even tough theyre one province

[zenith rock]

clinton's election was like one last hoorah for southern dems

[pallid sparrow]

Definitely gonna read because of my redness but later because many huge błocks of tezt at once lol

[zenith rock]

southern states still elected dem governors here an there after clinton but they phased out

[merry estuary]

witouth war..

[zenith rock]

kentucky and louisiana have dem governors rn, but louisiana governor will probably lose re-electio in 2023

kentucky governor is actually quite popular

one of the most popular dem governors, even in a deep red southern state

[pallid sparrow]

that, i did not know

May i ask stephen

Are you from the us?

[zenith rock]

yeah

[pallid sparrow]

Because i wish i learned this at advanced school history

[pallid sparrow]

American xD

[pallid sparrow]

Nice! I wish it happening irl lol

But pity that the progressive era ended

What is later? Colonialism of the us?

the progressive era IRL

was followed by the roaring 20s then the great depression

But in your althist

Any plans?

Or Just following the pattern

Both options are okay

Just asking

the antebellum period follows the progressive era in my alt history which will be the period just before the great war

but since my timeline ends in 1904

[tawdry girder]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/938842602978021477/1035215481327583272/Jam.gif

[pallid sparrow]

Ohhhh okay

Pity but I understand you like Just a certain period of time of the us and rhats okay

that is not the resson exactly

Oh sorry again xDDd

dont be sorry

the resson is pretty simple

the further you get away from the first changes, the harder it becomes. since this began in the 1760s, going on into the 1900s would be very hard as so much would of changed

[tawdry girder]

so no ww1?

[pallid sparrow]

i think ww1 was gonna happen, the tensions in eroupe arent going to change since myfocus is america

[tawdry girder]

[shy badger]

I’m more of a Marvel pertain but I feel like I’m going to love this new congress member

[pallid sparrow]

same

[tawdry girder]

he is also part of lgbtq i think

look truck

look map

[pallid sparrow]

what game is that

Belgium: the fate of waloonia

[tawdry girder]

snowrunner

[pallid sparrow]

sir, I GOOGLE THIS

thinking it was real

Sorry im so sorry 😭 thats so funny though

way too funny

[tawdry girder]

https://tenor.com/view/upisnotjump-no-hand-screaming-scream-gif-15071590

[tawdry girder]

https://youtu.be/mQjBuWsTeQ8 pretty interesting series

[hot coral]

amazing game

[tawdry girder]

[pallid sparrow]

for my sanity, i dont think i am going to withhold doing 61 boxes for every Govener

@pallid sparrow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL6aslcDQaQ a quick run down on the history of our prime minsters for you (in song)

[tawdry girder]

very upset that you didnt sing it personally

[pallid sparrow]

sir, my singing would burn your ears

[tawdry girder]

dw i have a fire extinguisher

[pallid sparrow]

i am going to try make a wiki box and will die trying

this fucker has been my mount Everest for months

nice song

idk why but i like theresa may personality lol

she's a bit like

Jimmy Carter

useless leader

but good personality

yeah that definitely but in terms of personality traits she's funny lol

also i like her manner of speaking

[merry estuary]

[pallid sparrow]

idk why you just can't justify that, personal opinion i guess xD

and oh if i come to britain, i'll piss on maggie grave

/hj

[pallid sparrow]

maybe that'swhy i've never heard of him lol

[pallid sparrow]

i am a fighter not a quitter

[pallid sparrow]

pug is a type of person to resend a meme twice in 24h in the same small community i guess

LOL

[merry estuary]

if I didn't have to browse thru 1 tb of memes it would've been easier

[pallid sparrow]

that's why i'm not saving most of the memes.. because i'd have the same problem as you

but i feel you tho

[merry estuary]

I have nearly every meme on the planet saved

[pallid sparrow]

relatable

[tawdry girder]

https://tenor.com/view/historymatters-germany-germanempire-treatyofversailles-versailles-gif-23127655

[pallid sparrow]

GAYS

[tawdry girder]

https://tenor.com/view/hhgf-gif-25031041

[merry estuary]

I love how a lot of people think Germany started both worldwars. but in reality it's a nation called austria 👍🏻

[pallid sparrow]

Well

WW1 is complicated and

[tawdry girder]

in the second one they definitely caused it..

[pallid sparrow]

yeah ww1 was def not caused by germany

u cant blame ww2 on austria

[merry estuary]

ww1 was assassination of the Duke of Germany that started ot

[pallid sparrow]

wrong

it was a duke of austria

[merry estuary]

u can blame it on the austrian painter

Ferdinand I Is German?

[pallid sparrow]

who lived and idenfited as a german

but you know, ww1 would still happen and still i think germany would start it if not this duke ferdinand bullshit

[tawdry girder]

archduke actually /s

[pallid sparrow]

| '''[[George I of Great Britain|George I]]'''<br/>[[File:GeorgeIKneller1714.jpg|alt=George I of Great Britain|96px]]<br/>{{R.|1714|1727}}

woops

Archduke Franz Ferdinand Carl Ludwig Joseph Maria of Austria[a] (18 December 1863 – 28 June 1914) was the heir presumptive to the throne of Austria-Hungary.[1] His assassination in Sarajevo was the most immediate cause of World War I.

[tawdry girder]

technically a serbian caused it

[merry estuary]

cause the heir for once was not a von habsburg

[pallid sparrow]

because germans wanted COLONIES.

[merry estuary]

and germans lost all colonies lol

[pallid sparrow]

to put this into very basic terms from what i understand: that guy dies, austria threatens serbia, russia protects serbia, germany protets austria, france steps in becaose of an alliaince with russia, germany threatens belguim, so the uk joins in agasint the centreal powers

[tawdry girder]

yeah germany pre emptively attacked france because they would have joined anyway

[merry estuary]

I love how belgium was threatened for existing

[pallid sparrow]

bare in mind, ww1 is not something ik much about

germany threatens belgium LOL...

[tawdry girder]

and then italy does a switcharoo

[pallid sparrow]

to be fair, the german invasion of belguim in ww2 was smart

[pallid sparrow]

yeah

since france was still kinda fighting by ww1 ways

[merry estuary]

Smart but harsh

[tawdry girder]

they attacked tanks with horses in the first few battles

[merry estuary]

Belgium was neutral

[pallid sparrow]

ww2 is

but in WW1 it had no sense except of some territorial gains i guess

dependent on when u say it started

[tawdry girder]

ww1 is the most useless war ever

[pallid sparrow]

no blitzkrieg it would end up the same without invasion of belgium

did it start with the german invasion of poland or the japanse invasion of china

[merry estuary]

belgium made the biggest gains from ww1

[tawdry girder]

millions would die for a few meters and then lose it the next week

[pallid sparrow]

it resolved the international tensions, it was not useless, world wars aren't meant to be useful, it was just inevitable

[pallid sparrow]

they had to go into belgium, to by-pass the Maginot Line

[pallid sparrow]

yet still they couldnt pass so?

im talking bout ww2 here

ik nothing about ww1

and i was about ww1 lol sry

[tawdry girder]

just use strat bombers like in hoi4

[pallid sparrow]

there was no blitzkrieg in ww1

it was just trench warfare

[merry estuary]

lmaofo

[pallid sparrow]

france btw had a chance to push into germany well it was busy invadeing poland and

france chose not to do very much

[tawdry girder]

in ww1 they tried the bla bla dagen plan where they tried to speed invade france

[pallid sparrow]

bla bla dagen xDDDD

[tawdry girder]

but got bogged down because the chad belgians blew up tbe railroads

[merry estuary]

belgium made huge gains of a few meters no one cares about

[tawdry girder]

i don’t remember the name

[merry estuary]

in ww1

[pallid sparrow]

The Saar Offensive was a French invasion of Saarland, Germany, in the first stages of World War II, from 7 to 16 September 1939. The original plans called for 40 divisions, and one armored division, three mechanised divisions, 78 artillery regiments and 40 tank battalions to assist Poland, which was then under invasion, by attacking Germany's neglected western front. Despite 30 divisions advancing to the border (and in some cases across it), the attack did not have the expected result. When the swift victory in Poland allowed Germany to reinforce its lines with homecoming troops, the offensive was halted. French forces then withdrew amid a German counter-offensive on 17 October.

yeah its okay just funny

[tawdry girder]

everything would have worked if we didn’t blow up the railroads

[merry estuary]

I find it funny how a farmer nearly caused a diplomatic dispute by moving a stone a few years ago. on the French belgian border

over 4 M² of useless grass

[pallid sparrow]

well calling it a diplomatic dispute is too much

[tawdry girder]

it was resolved pretty quickly both sides acknowledged it was a mistake

[pallid sparrow]

it'd end in nothing bad

[merry estuary]

imagine if it was taken futher tough, Lol. the French finnaly finding a way to restart the napoleonic revolution

[tawdry girder]

ended up in the farmer being proud he got on international news

[pallid sparrow]

so ended great!

in someone's fame

let his crops be great

lol

[tawdry girder]

its comparable to the swiss military entering liechtenstein on accident during excercises and just apologizing

just a friendly small accident

[merry estuary]

that has happend many times lol

[tawdry girder]

yep

[merry estuary]

fun fact: Liechtenstein doesn't have a military

[pallid sparrow]

lol yeah, i wish or not wish tbh that being realistically possible, france and belgium are both in nato/UE/etc so their territoral disputes would be resolved immidiatly

[tawdry girder]

belgium would get crushed

[pallid sparrow]

yeah a friendly small party in someone else country just for fun

[merry estuary]

we will let the rivers overflowing protect us again

[tawdry girder]

open the floodgates

[merry estuary]

let's go and make Liechtenstein a oligarchy! it doesn't have a military! Viva la revolution! /j /j /j

[tawdry girder]

then switzerland would intervene they work very closely with eachoter

[merry estuary]

I mean switzerland broke their 200 year neutrality recently

[pallid sparrow]

invading belgium? impossible with these floodgates maybe a 100 years ago, now infantry is just for establishing a front line and pacification of citizens, now is the era of drones, airforce and maybe navy but not in this case

sooo... these floodgates aint gonna do nothing

[tawdry girder]

infantry is still very important

[merry estuary]

belgian airforce is one of the best of europe

[pallid sparrow]

never said it isnt, i even said for what it's important

[tawdry girder]

yeah no worries

[pallid sparrow]

great! how about comparing it with russian or american airforce?

[tawdry girder]

but no war can exist without infantry

[merry estuary]

I said europe

[pallid sparrow]

russia is in europe

[merry estuary]

Russia is mostly asian

[pallid sparrow]

yeah, if you look at population that's not true

it's just geographically

not practically

[tawdry girder]

russian airforce is made up of paper planes wdym :)

[merry estuary]

Territorial and geographical it's mostly asian

[pallid sparrow]

but they'd flood your country by them

[merry estuary]

and the Russian airforce can't even hit a giant cube infront of them

[tawdry girder]

most people live in european part in russia

[merry estuary]

we'd do that anyway

[pallid sparrow]

how much airships do you have?

just asking

for serious

[merry estuary]

every war we've been in we've flooded

[tawdry girder]

124

[merry estuary]

and how do you expect us to know every lplane?

[tawdry girder]

aircraft

[pallid sparrow]

asking a number lol

[pallid sparrow]

oh that's really much

[merry estuary]

Belgium has trained pilots

[pallid sparrow]

france 1,200 germany 600

yeah

124

will suffice for sure /s

and trained pilots wont help you that much in this case tbh

[tawdry girder]

they will just get swarmed

[pallid sparrow]

i see that your airforce is pretty strong overall

but not against a big enemy

[tawdry girder]

we can take on insert small nation here

[pallid sparrow]

german military is really bad right now though xD

[merry estuary]

strong enough against the entire benelux 💀

[pallid sparrow]

well if the benelux is the only threat or possibility that you think of, then yeah, belgian airforce is great i can believe you, btw. nederland has 183

pretty much

better amount

[merry estuary]

does Luxembourg even have a airforce

[pallid sparrow]

and the "Trained pilots" is very subjective

because they've never been tested in war (tell me if im wrong)

unless sent to iraq

or anything idk

[merry estuary]

Yk, You just have to blow up 2 dams to drown nearly the entire country

half of the country would be sunk by blowing up 2 dams in netherlands

[pallid sparrow]

yeah yeah, infantry war okay

[merry estuary]

and in half of thst lives nearly the entire populstion

[tawdry girder]

2 planes

both non fighter

[merry estuary]

must be God tier pilots

[merry estuary]

belgian airforce has intervened in Iraq and Northern Africa this century

[pallid sparrow]

nowadays i cant see an infantry war between such developed countries, they'd just use the airforce to destroy you completely or ask you to surrender before

[pallid sparrow]

okay

and are they known for being a great pilots there?

[merry estuary]

as far as I'm aware 0 casualties for belgians

[tawdry girder]

the thing is we havent seen a proper modern war since forever

[pallid sparrow]

how about other countries that intervened i'm pretty sure that they might had 0 casualties either

[merry estuary]

America's death count be like

[pallid sparrow]

yeah but we can agree taht flooding your countries wouldn't suffice

still great for infantry defense

[merry estuary]

'we've never seen a tank cross water'

[pallid sparrow]

hm maybe because they're the leaders of war on afganistan and iraq

xD

i doubt that belgians fought as hard as them

[merry estuary]

France and Germany too

[tawdry girder]

without infantry you cant really win a war

airforce yeah but that takes too long

you could try but anti air is getting very advanced

[merry estuary]

You still need to occupy land territory, You can't do thar with only airforce

[pallid sparrow]

yeah but as i've said you can give causalties so horrific that you can make someone surrender without infantry today

[tawdry girder]

you can but thats war crimes and alot of it…

[pallid sparrow]

do you have a sufficient antiair?

[pallid sparrow]

LOl

war crimes

nobody will care about that

[merry estuary]

belgium has plenty of anti air

[tawdry girder]

i have no idea

[pallid sparrow]

us polish even though we're very close to russia we have so weak antiair it's funny

[merry estuary]

Russian airforce is made out of idiots and paper tough

[tawdry girder]

you can shoot it down with a nerf gun

[pallid sparrow]

antiair is also for shooting ballistic rockets

not only for airforce

but okay

[tawdry girder]

i know

[merry estuary]

The Russians using soviet ballistic missiles be like

[pallid sparrow]

yeah i can believe

they still didnt use that (i think??) so we can't judge that

i know that the media says the ukraine is won

[merry estuary]

they did

[pallid sparrow]

but it's not that sure

[merry estuary]

they used soviet ballistic missiles last summer

[pallid sparrow]

oh

funny

[merry estuary]

and quite a few outdated soviet tanks

Ukraine didn't win, Bht they did manage to retake all their territories and former.

which is for defensive war technically a victory

[tawdry girder]

they still have alot to get back ukraine

[merry estuary]

but to achieve anything they're gonna have to leave the territory

[pallid sparrow]

what?

they did not

manage tor etake all their territories

[tawdry girder]

the war is still far from won

[merry estuary]

most*

[pallid sparrow]

still not most

[merry estuary]

is retaken

[tawdry girder]

not at all

[pallid sparrow]

not true

xD

i wish

[merry estuary]

from compared to the start a lot is retaken

[pallid sparrow]

because it'd mean the war is over

[pallid sparrow]

nope. they're just seeing a huge progress but it's not a lot

[merry estuary]

the war is over when one of either side runs out of supplies

the donetsbask region is a major non retaken one

which was occupied before the war

[tawdry girder]

and crimea but thats very far in the future

[merry estuary]

the bridge of crimea is blown uo

up

[pallid sparrow]

yeah and that is sure that the russia will lose the supplies - nope

russia sufficied just 4-6%gdp budget deficit and maintained a strong rubble
yet ukraine lost 30 to 50% of GDP because of this war

[tawdry girder]

its repaired already

[pallid sparrow]

remember russia is prepared for this war

it'd be a lie to say it's not

tyhey have amazing economic supplies

[merry estuary]

Russias rubble became 1 euro 100k rubble..

[pallid sparrow]

just for a moment

later it went even stronger

[tawdry girder]

ukraine does have acces to the infinete wallet of the US military

[merry estuary]

it's funny how russia was that prepared thry needed to conscript

[pallid sparrow]

yeah and that's the only thing that saves ukraine luckily

[pallid sparrow]

what?

[merry estuary]

and a mobilization

Russia conscripted Last year bro

[pallid sparrow]

it's obvious that you have to conscript and mobilize during a war

[merry estuary]

Ukraine doesn't even conscript as far as I'm aware

[pallid sparrow]

pug

think about these things

you write

[tawdry girder]

1 euro is 77 ruble today

[merry estuary]

Russian conscription is enforced to join

[tawdry girder]

they do…

[merry estuary]

Ukrainian is- oh wait I rememebr

[tawdry girder]

every man from 18-64 or something needs to fight

[merry estuary]

all mem server 💀

[pallid sparrow]

you clearly dont know anything about this war when it comes to true data and not "news saying it's gonna be alright"

[tawdry girder]

they cant leave the country

[pallid sparrow]

russians even didnt do that yet

that all of them needs to fight

so yeah..

[merry estuary]

I have seen a Ukrainian man here recently clearly under 64 lol

[tawdry girder]

yeah they do have some mobilization but thats normal

[pallid sparrow]

because

for war

you could do anyother important things

[tawdry girder]

sorry *60

[pallid sparrow]

not only fight the army

for example the businessmen

were enlisted as the helpers of ukrainan nation

so they aavoided

the guns and dirt

also you can be a nurse etc. etc.

[merry estuary]

:💀

[tawdry girder]

some people also get out illegally

[pallid sparrow]

yeah

[merry estuary]

I would say they were a farmer

[tawdry girder]

or they saw that russia was preparing at the border and left before the inevitable

[merry estuary]

all the way to belgium?

[pallid sparrow]

btw

so yeah

[tawdry girder]

yes

[pallid sparrow]

russian ruble is stronger than even before

[tawdry girder]

suprisingly yeah

[merry estuary]

bro ur in the wrong year 💅🏻

[pallid sparrow]

okay

wait as ec

areyou joking

or not

because

iut's

2023 january

so

what could have changed

LOL

[merry estuary]

yes, and u clicked 2022

before june

[pallid sparrow]

AND IT SHOWS THE ENTIRE 2022 SINCE THE WAR ALSO

no?

look down at the graph

nov2022

[tawdry girder]

thats where his cursor was

[pallid sparrow]

the cursor

showed the lowest

[merry estuary]

the dot is before June in mt eyes

[pallid sparrow]

during the starting a war

agreement

so you guys knew

what i meant

for sure

xD

[tawdry girder]

top left you can see the comparison too

surely the sanctions totaly didnt backfire

[merry estuary]

burgundy 👹

[pallid sparrow]

they just raised strongly the interest rates of the russian central bank, that's the mechanism to make your currency stronger

the same mechanism that we in europe use to lower inflation

and to make currency stronger too

because eur vs usd

is weakened

right now in russia they lowered the interest rates

so the ruble is backing to normal

[tawdry girder]

and the russians dont need to pay for overpriced gas like here in europe

[tawdry girder]

stupid geology stuff not giving us the gas cringe

[pallid sparrow]

yeah now we have problems

because beautiful angela merkel

so smart

nordstream

and making us depend on russia

very intelligent

[tawdry girder]

atleast the price is going down a bit here

[pallid sparrow]

luckily we're finding new contractors but still it's far from that what we had before the war

[merry estuary]

nordstream was a mistake

[pallid sparrow]

a big one

polish people were one of the least that were against it so much

but whatever nobody listens to polish

xD

[tawdry girder]

https://tenor.com/view/poland-brock-lesnar-scream-polska-poland-flag-gif-24793010

[merry estuary]

Nato was formed against the soviet union, (which is also most of eu union members) Yet still the eu (Germany in this case) Felt like nordstream was a great idea

[pallid sparrow]

luckily the eu something most important ursula von der leyen has admited that that was wrong and the ue should have listened to poland

and other baltic states etc

and now we have a balance

thanks (or not thanks) to war on ukraine we were respected for the first time in the eu lol

[merry estuary]

Baltic states? You mean Lithuania right? /j

[pallid sparrow]

xD

[pallid sparrow]

well.. at least now it's going somewhere

but it's a long fight ahead of us

[tawdry girder]

usuall politics alot of waiting

[merry estuary]

yeah nah I'm migrating to Iceland it's safer there

[pallid sparrow]

oh yeah definitely

[merry estuary]

or Faroe islands lol

[pallid sparrow]

iceland way better

[tawdry girder]

denmaaaa

https://tenor.com/view/gu-p-girls-und-panzer-cosplay-bokoen-hoi4-gif-24100448

[pallid sparrow]

but still the eu is growing stronger bonds and has broken trade routes with russia (mostly) and thats a fact

[merry estuary]

'Kingdom of denmark' 🤓 /t

[pallid sparrow]

the war has proven that we should be united in europe not divided, at least that's my opinion - this is not a fact just opinion

[merry estuary]

it would be a lot if the German culture group was atleast united lol

[pallid sparrow]

well not possible

[merry estuary]

exactly

[pallid sparrow]

but eu can unite because the differences aren't economical just cultural

[merry estuary]

Austria and Switzerland be like

[pallid sparrow]

gerrmany will not unite with switzerland

[tawdry girder]

there was someone who tried that but that attempt failed

[merry estuary]

You mean mustache man?

[tawdry girder]

yes

[pallid sparrow]

well the anschluss has not failed lol

[merry estuary]

lol

[tawdry girder]

yeah but in the end they weren’t together anymore

[merry estuary]

if it's thru force it will fail

[pallid sparrow]

i think if adolf would stop on getting austria and switzerland he'd possibly not get stopped

[merry estuary]

and sudettenland

if the holy Roman empire returned the German culture group would be reunited (besides czechia being in it)

which is slavic

depends what time frame doe lol

[pallid sparrow]

now sudettenland is slavic for sure i can't believe that any german would still live there /not sure i just dont think why any german would like to live in a communist czechoslovakia LOL

i dont know tbh what's the case there

just my reasoning, not true facts

[merry estuary]

Czech republic isn't communist?

nor is Slovakia?

[pallid sparrow]

IN THE PAST

WHEN

THE

[merry estuary]

cold war

[pallid sparrow]

USSR OCCUPIED TERRITORIES

AFTER WW2

[merry estuary]

cold war

[pallid sparrow]

many polish people

ran

no

i mean

[merry estuary]

yes too

[pallid sparrow]

1945-1950 precisely

you just dont know about this situation

because you live on the west

polish people just ran

to the west

massively

[merry estuary]

belgium participated in the cold War too.

[pallid sparrow]

oh my god

[tawdry girder]

wasnt that the case in most communist countries

[pallid sparrow]

you didnt get what i meant huh

[merry estuary]

yes people running from governmenrs

[pallid sparrow]

no

THERE WAS NO COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT

YET

it was established

in 1949

that's what i meant

that you wouldnt know

and sure you did

not

sorry i dont have strength for this discussion because of language barriers

[merry estuary]

polish peasant republic

[pallid sparrow]

it'd be too long to explain this

with my poor english

[tawdry girder]

oh i get it i think

[pallid sparrow]

but the time period 1945-1949

was not communist

iin poland

just communists tried to get to power

and they did ofc

[tawdry girder]

but occupied right by soviets?

[pallid sparrow]

nope

[merry estuary]

occupied was mostly Balkan region

and obviously east germany

[tawdry girder]

wait i always learned that the soviet military made communist regimes in eastern europe

[pallid sparrow]

yeah

but until 1949

it was pretty democratic

they needed

first

a basis

of communists in poland

so it woulkdnt look

like they just got to power

just like that

[tawdry girder]

i get it

[pallid sparrow]

so yeah

this timeperiod

many ran to the west

and i think the czech germans from sudentland

did too

but not sure of that

this time period of 1945-1949

looked like that

[merry estuary]

oh mijn god mijn engels is zo dood

[pallid sparrow]

important people just killing important people

[tawdry girder]

very interesting ngl

[pallid sparrow]

but the communists ofc

xD

killed literally anyone who was threathening to them

[tawdry girder]

gonna research it tomorrow when i wake up

[pallid sparrow]

stalinist paranoia

[tawdry girder]

L

[pallid sparrow]

but not paranoia in this case

because communism was really unpopular here

mostly socialism or post-fascism

idk how to frame these ideologies

[tawdry girder]

poor poland always being eaten by the big people

[pallid sparrow]

yeah.. like by the EU now /j

we have a 10% rated political party that openly wants to leave EU lol

how about belgium?

[merry estuary]

an eu union forming is near impossible

[tawdry girder]

let me look

[pallid sparrow]

uniting? i dont thiunk it's impossible tbh

[merry estuary]

not all eu members are mutually agreeing on a gogernment

[pallid sparrow]

but it can be solved easily

[merry estuary]

and never could

[pallid sparrow]

like in germany

or like in belgium

[merry estuary]

You forgot the political stand point, Not just cultural

[tawdry girder]

very hard tho

[pallid sparrow]

right now yes

but during some bad times

and we're certainly entering these

it may be possible

since we're democratic and the people are easy to frighten

[merry estuary]

the world will have died before ww3

[pallid sparrow]

idk about that tbh

[merry estuary]

I'm certain the world will become a barren wasteland by 2150

[pallid sparrow]

the ww3 is pretty near i hope not but i think it's like 2050

[tawdry girder]

luckly i wont experience that

[merry estuary]

same

Polar ice caps are melting

[tawdry girder]

unless i live to 130+ or something

[pallid sparrow]

let's hope not LOL

[merry estuary]

animals are dying (70% of animal world population died in last 50 years)

[pallid sparrow]

id never want to live 130 years

[tawdry girder]

is entirely possible but that doesnt sound fun

[merry estuary]

forests are burning

[tawdry girder]

tbf retirment homes do sound fun

i better get put in a good one

or else i am disinheriting my robot children

[pallid sparrow]

well there's a s3*x disease in retirement homes in poland

literally

[merry estuary]

oh and africa is catching up to Europe technologically

[pallid sparrow]

many STDs

lol

it's too fun it seems

sorry for saying that

but its true here

a real problem ://

[merry estuary]

@pallid sparrow two words.

[tawdry girder]

thats worrying ngl

[merry estuary]

get help

[pallid sparrow]

yeah from who? from the US? the government is just not interested in that

lol

[merry estuary]

I'm worried for our future 💀 seeing our future doctors are cheating on exams

[tawdry girder]

💪

[pallid sparrow]

that's a possible coreason of a ww3 tbh

[merry estuary]

Africa is relatively united

[tawdry girder]

[merry estuary]

*by regions

there are conflicts going on lol

[tawdry girder]

there is one part of africa thats looking for uniting

[merry estuary]

mostly southern and central africa

[tawdry girder]

east african union

[merry estuary]

since there's a country called 'central African union?'

[tawdry girder]

gotten close but some goals havent been achieved

[merry estuary]

Ivory coast but okay

[tawdry girder]

no different one

[merry estuary]

/Golden coast

East Africa is ivory coast/golden ciast

[tawdry girder]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_African_Community

[merry estuary]

how tf is that east Africa

that's central

[tawdry girder]

was originally only east

but some central’s joined

[merry estuary]

THATS LITTERALY NEARLY UKS FORMER COLONIES

[tawdry girder]

its a bit like the eu but more focused on becoming a federation to improve the economy and the lives of citizens

[merry estuary]

and all belgian colonies (why wouldn't it be)

the east African flag doesn't have a sideways belgian flag in it. now does it 💀

[tawdry girder]

@pallid sparrow opinion on this

destined to fail or not?

[merry estuary]

I get congo Burundi and rwanda

[pallid sparrow]

Nope, not fail

I think every afrocan Union might be great

[merry estuary]

but south Sudan is so disconnected compared to the rest of the union

[tawdry girder]

only part i am worried about is south sudan and congo since they arent the most stable

[pallid sparrow]

Well its the problem of the Union now kek

[tawdry girder]

perhaps with the help of the richer members it will strive

[merry estuary]

I can see a union with Rwanda congo and Burundi it just makes sense to me, but thoee others idk it's so weird witouth other connected nations

[pallid sparrow]

Like the Eu has problems with southern states, italy Greec etc

[pallid sparrow]

Yeah

[merry estuary]

I mean Rwanda or Burundi (I forgor) Struck giant amounts of gold recently

[tawdry girder]

especially in congo with its big natural rescource thats a very great thing

with better management it can become a big player in world affairs

but its gonna take alot of patience and time

[merry estuary]

I love the central African Republic just existing and being insignificant

patience and time earth doesn't have

[pallid sparrow]

Africa is tied to China now, the investments of china there will make it grow

[tawdry girder]

yeah its a good way to start it up

[pallid sparrow]

Of course it also makes them politically tied to china probably in the future

But well.. happens

[merry estuary]

China should fix itself first, it's litteraly blowing up apartment blocks

[tawdry girder]

thats just real estate market being a bit wack

[merry estuary]

*which were just built

[pallid sparrow]

Same here in Europe

Its inevitable in some cases but yeah real estate market in china is a problem

[merry estuary]

since when does europe blow up 500 apartment blocks a day

[tawdry girder]

china is struggling a bit rn but that’s excepted

[pallid sparrow]

Except from that they develop smoothly but the sanctions recenyly Given by the us

Are sooo harsh

China will have to find a way of produce hightech

[tawdry girder]

after rapid economic growth there is always a negative after

[merry estuary]

world tension rn: 35%

[pallid sparrow]

Lol true

[tawdry girder]

roaring 20’s

[pallid sparrow]

But I think maybe 25

[tawdry girder]

tensions arent that high ngl

[merry estuary]

35% -> Russian invasion of Ukraine, China's Taiwan intervention -> Beginning of annexation of Hong kong

[pallid sparrow]

They are 25% high for me

[pallid sparrow]

There is some truth in it

[merry estuary]

Middle Eastern situation

[tawdry girder]

if china invades taiwain they are fucked

[merry estuary]

if China holds Taiwan usa is fucked

[tawdry girder]

like they will get the entire US army on them

[merry estuary]

the US army has to get transported that far first

Oh also don't forget the annexation of tibet

[pallid sparrow]

Oh it depends on the future president but if joe? Yeah

[tawdry girder]

there are already bases in that region

[pallid sparrow]

Joe is very protecting of us empire status

[merry estuary]

so I am certain of the 35%

[pallid sparrow]

And he showed that in these china sanctions

[tawdry girder]

and protection in taiwan region

[pallid sparrow]

Even Donald Trump hasnt done sich sanctions

He Just announced tarrifs and bothing more

[tawdry girder]

and chinas army is a paper army they barely have any experience

[pallid sparrow]

I am unable to make true speculations on china tbh

[merry estuary]

South Korea planning to assassinate Kim Jong un 👍🏻

[pallid sparrow]

Except of ekonomic ones

[tawdry girder]

you cant predict china its impossible

[pallid sparrow]

These i am sure of

[merry estuary]

China goes boom every few years

dissolve

[pallid sparrow]

China will be better than us economy

But per capita gdp idk when

[merry estuary]

I kinda hate brics

Brazil,Russia ,China,South Africa and whatever the I was

[pallid sparrow]

Brics is an effect of american imoerialism

They gave to defend themselves econnomicaly

[merry estuary]

random

[tawdry girder]

close to 3k messages

[merry estuary]

I just noticed the finger

[tawdry girder]

i just realised i have therapy at 8 am and its 2 am

cant wait to half asleep again 🤪

[pallid sparrow]

Rel

[pallid sparrow]

Go to sleep. Now!

[merry estuary]

I'm always asleep at therapy lol

[pallid sparrow]

Therapy is kmportant

[tawdry girder]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[pallid sparrow]

LOL

okay then..

[pallid sparrow]

and also, thats bad

unless it's not your fault

then its okay

[merry estuary]

I mean you made me stay up till 5 recently lol

[tawdry girder]

wtf

[pallid sparrow]

I made you do that??

I?

if so? i'm restricting typing to you after 2 AM

onto myself

[merry estuary]

dw I usually stay up till 3am lol

[pallid sparrow]

...

[tawdry girder]

that bird is so cute wtf

[pallid sparrow]

so maybe not I

xD

yeah thats birt cool

[pallid sparrow]

omg how cute

[pallid sparrow]

cuties

[pallid sparrow]

yes okay i am gay and what

[pallid sparrow]

im maybe 75% homo

[tawdry girder]

important to remember

[pallid sparrow]

lol

[pallid sparrow]

illegality of homosexuality in southern waloonia: a deep metaanalisys

[tawdry girder]

southern wallonia O_o

[tawdry girder]

nee jij

[merry estuary]

nee jij

[pallid sparrow]

cursed huh?

jij means you? it's weird lol

it sounds more like me to me

[merry estuary]

Jij or GIJJJJ MONSTER

[tawdry girder]

thats just france, so its very cursed

[tawdry girder]

gij

[pallid sparrow]

what?

two words for you?

weird people

[merry estuary]

Beiii zei de gijt

[pallid sparrow]

never going to vlaander

[merry estuary]

only if weed was legal lmaofo

[pallid sparrow]

then i'd go

/j but not j

[merry estuary]

go to netherlands

[pallid sparrow]

i'll go anyways

beatufil langugage

[tawdry girder]

cringe

[pallid sparrow]

cool shops with coffee

[merry estuary]

Ben je daar zo zekee Van?

[pallid sparrow]

nej ik ben nikts van

[tawdry girder]

i live 15 minutes from the border too dutch for me

[pallid sparrow]

or something similary madeup

[merry estuary]

that sounded so incorrect

[tawdry girder]

“zekee” sounds cursed wtf

[merry estuary]

that was frisian

not dutch

[pallid sparrow]

do you speak frisian now?

[tawdry girder]

https://tenor.com/view/fryske-flagge-frysk-fryslân-fryslan-fryske-gif-26851479

[merry estuary]

fridian is northern dutch

[pallid sparrow]

yeah

ik now

[merry estuary]

it's litteralt a mix of danish and dutch

and a official language

[pallid sparrow]

loool amazing wtf wtf wtf amazing im gonna learn frisian now

[tawdry girder]

friesland bop

[pallid sparrow]

jesus this chat is on fire

[merry estuary]

ask any person from Netherlands if they like frisian

[tawdry girder]

not as bad as general

[tawdry girder]

or urk

[merry estuary]

they will instantly become your friends

[pallid sparrow]

i wont, i like frisian and that is sufficient

[pallid sparrow]

HAHA for sure i believe you

i feel like this was a total lie

[tawdry girder]

https://open.spotify.com/track/5ZzxgIheA8ZwywtZi61A5j?si=6crDAj9JQbCi21TVHcguaQ @merry estuary

[merry estuary]

they will propose to you and marry u

[pallid sparrow]

this song is just bad

what's wrong with dutch pop

[pallid sparrow]

what is even this weird a letter

what is it supposed to sound like

lol

[tawdry girder]

it was so popular on dutch tik tok

[merry estuary]

bro :💀

[delicate sierra]

What happened to the maps and games? All I see is foreign languages, stickers and emojis 👀

[tawdry girder]

we got distracted

[pallid sparrow]

true

[tawdry girder]

idk gow we got here ngl

[merry estuary]

I mean frisia is geographic and history

[pallid sparrow]

and im interested in frisian, geographical language

[tawdry girder]

last i know we were talking about the eastern african union

[delicate sierra]

Haha, it's okay. I was just confused and thought something has happened. Carry on :D

[pallid sparrow]

so, should i go to netherlands and ask a dutch if they like frisian?

[tawdry girder]

say you love urk

they will love you

[merry estuary]

if you want a lot of friends u deffintly should

[pallid sparrow]

okay but for real

what shjould i tell a dutch person

to make them instantly smile and like me

[merry estuary]

do you like frisia? gets beaten up

[pallid sparrow]

xDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[tawdry girder]

go to a construction site and ask the local polish workers

[merry estuary]

it's on my bucket list dw

[pallid sparrow]

well they'll answer me with drunk gibberish

[tawdry girder]

i can tick that one off for you /j

[pallid sparrow]

so i won't know anyways..

[merry estuary]

https://open.spotify.com/track/2hiQp8fVG10487rghxmfni?si=37R75QGcSlmlAIOKLoVazA bro wtf? LMAO

[pallid sparrow]

okay stop

this is a tragedy not a song

[tawdry girder]

I LOVE GULLIE

[pallid sparrow]

ihope that its a /s

bier is bier

[merry estuary]

beer is beer

[tawdry girder]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6s0vBcUlfTTKbVwtu078qK?si=bE6VaG7ASr2Iv0oImm1qoA fact about this a belgian billionaire made this about him self

[pallid sparrow]

sounds like a song about that any beer is okay since all of it makes you drunk lol

and that'd make this song even more tragic

[merry estuary]

belgium is one of the most beer consuming countries

[pallid sparrow]

i mean is there anything false about this statement? /hj

i'd rather let a 10-yo drink beer than 2l of cocacola daily

[merry estuary]

I never drank alcohol despite most of my age already having done so in belgin lol

[tawdry girder]

same :D

[pallid sparrow]

btw what is the age for beer in vlandeeren?

[tawdry girder]

16

[pallid sparrow]

meh could've been worse

[merry estuary]

legal 16, but there's 12 year Olds who drink it 🙂

[tawdry girder]

there is no set age

[pallid sparrow]

oh really? here in poland 12yo take drugs and vodka

[merry estuary]

to buy is 16 lol

[tawdry girder]

just go to any party and you will get it

[tawdry girder]

the night shops will sell anyone

[pallid sparrow]

lol but like a city party either?

[merry estuary]

yup

[tawdry girder]

most

[pallid sparrow]

lol

top5 reasons to hate vlaanderen

[merry estuary]

there's probably 9 year Olds drink ing beer too

[pallid sparrow]

shit that's really bad

but when i remember that in poland 9 yos can drink vodka it's making me think i'd rather let them drink beer /ofc not

why is beer so popular in belgium

[tawdry girder]

because culture

[pallid sparrow]

oh and one question

[merry estuary]

idk why but I needed to google belgian ||suic!cide|| rates. it's 10%

[pallid sparrow]

what is the historical reason of belgium not being dutch entirely and giving walonia to french?

any reasons? since i dont see any lol

[tawdry girder]

its complicated

[merry estuary]

walloonia is a lot of land

[pallid sparrow]

👀👀

[tawdry girder]

hi alex

[pallid sparrow]

what doesw 10% mean in this case?

Hi Jules

[merry estuary]

who do it

[pallid sparrow]

10% of belgians decides to die like that or whatlol

[merry estuary]

yes

[tawdry girder]

https://tenor.com/view/lonely-pablo-lonely-escobar-lonely-lonely-belgium-lonely-pablo-belgium-gif-26049921

[merry estuary]

the only western country above 3%

[pallid sparrow]

13.9 per 100000

idk what are you talking

about these procents

but it doesnt make sense

xd

[merry estuary]

18.9

11.9% female

8.9% male

[pallid sparrow]

send me proof

because i found 13.9

[tawdry girder]

could we talk about something else this topic is pretty hard for me /gen

[merry estuary]

Sure

[pallid sparrow]

sure

[tawdry girder]

ofc its the west flemish

[merry estuary]

lmao

[pallid sparrow]

i am center flemish

[tawdry girder]

lies

[pallid sparrow]

i am not center and not flemish

[tawdry girder]

lies lied and more lies

belgians are 0

[merry estuary]

are 1

[pallid sparrow]

Idk what you look like

[tawdry girder]

do you count yourself?

[pallid sparrow]

why belgians are so unatractive though

[merry estuary]

I have a crush on a belgian person so it must be 1 😂

[pallid sparrow]

i thought that they're just average just like any other average

[merry estuary]

no I count myself as obese and ugky

[tawdry girder]

O_o

[pallid sparrow]

not allowed words here

[tawdry girder]

[pallid sparrow]

you are obese and not ugly you meant

I bet pug looks fine

probably*

I bet y'all look fine

[pallid sparrow]

okay

im hopiung

that you're actually obese

becfause if not

Idk what any of you look like but I'm sure

i did not meant that

just wanted to acknowledge the truth

[merry estuary]

my lips being twice the size of my ring finger be like 💀

[tawdry girder]

[pallid sparrow]

Yall look good untill proven otherwise

[pallid sparrow]

true

[tawdry girder]

[pallid sparrow]

skipper is spying on us!!!!!

I don't think anyone here has face revealed

[merry estuary]

[merry estuary]

you have

[tawdry girder]

i have somewhere in #beautiful-people

[pallid sparrow]

And yall got scared by it 🤣

[pallid sparrow]

Effort to look

[tawdry girder]

thats what i thought

[pallid sparrow]

jules nice doggo

[tawdry girder]

its not mine

family members

[merry estuary]

Jules arr u sure ur belgian

[pallid sparrow]

oh okay

[tawdry girder]

yes

[pallid sparrow]

he meant

On the bright side

that you're attractive

LOL

[merry estuary]

are u sure ur not dutch? ye looking to good to be belgian

[tawdry girder]

my family can be traced back 400 years to the same village

[tawdry girder]