Andor Season 2 - Episode 6

[gentle cliff]

Discuss Episode 6 here.

[sinful reef]

The Fondor! (Which really needs toys)

[jaunty seal]

Vel! Looks like maybe she’s gone full Cinta since the wedding

[hard helm]

??? How are you ahead of me now?

[jaunty seal]

Possibly

Unless I’m completely mistaken about the “other asset” Luthen has in play on Ghorman

[hard helm]

Oh. NVM. You're not ahead of me. I'm just not good at recognizing characters when they change their hair. The same thing happened last week with Cinta.

[sinful reef]

“Calibrate your enthusiasm” lol

[jaunty seal]

Now it’s JediIndy who’s ahead of me lol

Paused to use the restroom lol

[hard helm]

I'm ahead of both of you.

Possibly because I skip the opening titles and the credits.

[jaunty seal]

Oh sheet Vel and Cinta, this is gonna be awkward

[hard helm]

That doesn't even sound like Bail Organa!

👀

[wise copper]

Visiting friends?

[jaunty seal]

Wow was that Benjamin Bratt from Law & Order? Sure as hell didn’t look or sound like Bail

Kali Coolers, does Oga’s have that?

[hard helm]

😭

OMG I can't believe Cassian agreed to that! What an ending!

🤩

[jaunty seal]

Wow yeah

I mean, leaving him for hours with the thing on would have been better fitting what he deserved

I was literally just thinking “man him having his own division to run must be why the rebels think the empire always turns/breaks people”

[signal ember]

opposite of awkward. so saw that coming

"nobody have a blaster." looks pointedly at child
Chekov's blaster

[jaunty seal]

Well they were adults about it rather than make soap opera drama

[signal ember]

goddamn this show is so good

[jolly condor]

Bix? Kleya?? Mon?? Vel?? Chat idk who I stan the most😭they all ate this arc

[jaunty seal]

Yeah damn this was just such good setup for the next arc

[signal ember]

other than no K2. 😦

[jaunty seal]

“We should have killed Krennic while we had the chance” lol

Truer words never spoken

[signal ember]

cool guys don't look at explosions

[jolly condor]

I’m guessing Syril will send over footage from the heist, they’ll ID Vel then trace her back to Mon😞

[jaunty seal]

I was so sure there was gonna be a drop of Kleya’s blood on that antique

Not sure if Syril got that good an image of them

[jolly condor]

I was a little confused about that. For some reason I figured Kleya and Luthen were tweaking about Sculdon finding out the wedding gift was bugged

[signal ember]

the completely unneccessary bug because his assistant does not shut up

[jolly condor]

Yeaaah she gave that info over with zero hesitation😭😭too funny

[jaunty seal]

They’re tweaking about the wedding statue gift being a fake, but in freaking out about that and re-examining everything he’s bought from Luthen they’d find the bug in that piece

[hard helm]

I wonder if Kleya's necklace has multiple secret uses. I believe she wore it in Season 1 prior to Davo being introduced, so I imagine she has the ability to retroactively give it more functionality.

[jolly condor]

Ahhh that makes more sense!

[signal ember]

it's not the wedding statue, it's something else not from Luthen

but they're having everything examined

[wise copper]

I’ll go with Mon then Kleya then Vel and Bix in a tie.

[jaunty seal]

I swore they were referring to that chandi merle statue being a forgery

[hard helm]

I didn't get that impression

[jaunty seal]

But because of that, he needed to recheck everything Luthen has sold him

[signal ember]

no it was something else, but I can't keep the macguffin names straight

[jaunty seal]

I’m not sure what other expensive wedding gift could have come from Sculdin via Luthen

[jolly condor]

I dig it! Honestly they’re all tied for me. Love seeing the homies win. Especially Bix. FUCK GORST!

[hard helm]

So, did anyone else watch the last scene multiple times just to take it all in? 😆

[jaunty seal]

I’m going to be rewatching all three tomorrow

Catch details I’m too tired now to catch

I still think it’s the statue that was the forgery. It gave Luthen a perfect in for being at the wedding

[jolly condor]

I rewinded too far back and saw Cinta dying again😞

[hard helm]

I have a feeling I missed a lot as well. I've been tired all day. I looked at a text I sent earlier and thought "Did I actually say that? Was I high?" (I was not. I was just so tired, the text didn't make sense.) 😆

[jaunty seal]

I was getting kinda sleepy feeling at 7:30ish and was like NO, MUST WATCH ANDOR

[hard helm]

Vel's monologue had me tearing up...

[jaunty seal]

Yeah that was an unexpected and short yet impactful little speech

Eulogy really

[jolly condor]

My only critique is that they recasted Bail for an unnecessary 20ish second cameo. It was awesome seeing Ben Bratt but an overall bizarre decision

[jaunty seal]

Was that actually him?

[jolly condor]

I think so! I could be wrong

[jaunty seal]

But yeah, just could have been some other character

Absolutely no need for that to have been Bail

[sinful reef]

20 seconds for now

[jolly condor]

Oooooh good point

[sinful reef]

That was Bail. They mentioned Breha

[hard helm]

No clue, but I was really pissed when he spoke. That sounded nothing like Bail!

[jaunty seal]

I’m a bit afraid for next 6 episodes suddenly, if we’re a bit put off, the internet at large is going to lose their shit

Everything else has been perfect but that was just a bit jarring

[jolly condor]

I just remembered this isn’t the first time they’ve recasted Bail. Someone else played him in Phantom Menace, then Jimmy got casted for his other appearances

[signal ember]

yeah, there was no need for that at all

[sinful reef]

I do like how Disney+ popped up “You may also like Rogue One?” Sir (or madam) are you familiar with my game?

[jaunty seal]

Yeah lol, like, I know, I’m watching the prequel for it

[hard helm]

I thought that was only in a deleted scene.

[jaunty seal]

Get to the last 3 episode arc and then recommend Rogue One to me

[signal ember]

we got an ad for some other show of a kid? which is not something I watch.

[jolly condor]

I can’t remember. I think it was during the vote for no confidence

[jaunty seal]

They were right though, I’m already sort of seeing Cassian’s last moments with Jyn as him seeing Bix in her place

[signal ember]

yeah, I like Bix a lot more than I liked Jyn and I am not optimistic for her chances

[jaunty seal]

Also he has a thing for women with 3 letter names

[sinful reef]

Yeah, it was supposed to be Bail in TPM but they retconned him as another senator from Alderaan - Antilles (because apparently they only have so many surnames in Alderaan)

[jolly condor]

I was worried we’d see Bix OD

[signal ember]

yeah, I thought he was coming home to her passed out, at minimum.

[jaunty seal]

When she didn’t answer the door

[signal ember]

she was messed up though, she stumbled some

[pale prism]

Not Cinta 😭

[wise copper]

Ha! I posted that before seeing the very end and now all 4 of them are tied for me as well! Also that new version of the Andor theme at the very end was !

[jolly condor]

My heart s a n k when she didn’t answer

[jaunty seal]

I was so afraid Cassian was gonna find her OD’d

Or at least high out of her mind

[bleak oxide]

That was my impression after season 1.
Cassian and Jyn bonded over this big emotional relevant thing they did, then they were about to die, so they held each other and thought about their father and sister / girlfriend / adoptive mom respectively.

[pale prism]

Same

Bro why did Cinta have to die like that tho

Random gunfire 😭

Then the whole monologue from Vel on the train.

[jaunty seal]

Cause stupid rich kids think they know better than the vets there to teach them how to rebel

[sinful reef]

I kinda wonder if some of our favorites are getting relatively meaningless deaths in Andor to make the sacrifices in Rogue One more impactful?

[jaunty seal]

I loved how Vel and Cinta were basically the Jedi there to teach them how to guerilla fight like what Saw went through

[jolly condor]

Yeaaaah that doofus completely missed😭

[jaunty seal]

I half expected him to mention general Skywalker in his war stories

[signal ember]

the cast is getting fridged to make Andor's work and death more impactful

[pale prism]

That’s EXACTLY what I was thinking of

[pale prism]

I thought it was abt to be an Aldahni where one dude shoots another and then everybody starts killing each other

Like the dudes in the second episode of this season

[jaunty seal]

About to be a Yavin that is

That’s the jungle planet they were on in the first arc

Which reminds me, not nearly as much comedic relief this arc

[signal ember]

excuse me, Moffi and Toffi don't entertain you?

[jaunty seal]

Loved the surprise Krennic appearance, as well as his and Mon’s short debate which is super relevant to today’s times

“One persons criminal is another’s rebel” or something like that he said

[sinful reef]

Terrorist

[jaunty seal]

That’s it

Man knows how to turn a phrase

[bleak oxide]

You kind of answered your own question.

She died so Vel could give the monologue.

[signal ember]

all the berets on Ghorman gave it a very French Resistance vibe

[bleak oxide]

I mean

The whole of Ghorman was 1930s - 1940s France.

[sinful reef]

The language wasn’t French but it sounded like French

[jaunty seal]

That tracks if Palmo is space paris

[bleak oxide]

They did that very much on purpose

[jolly condor]

Oui

[jaunty seal]

And the reputation of being snobs

[signal ember]

it was sounding a little more Germanic to me, but I've only been listening to Lily, Eddie, Falstaff, and crew speak French lately

[bleak oxide]

The Ghorman official / business guy whose last name starts with an R is a German actor I think.

[sinful reef]

Excuse-moi?!?

[bleak oxide]

So basically Ghorman is French-German coded.

[jolly condor]

I wonder what my dawg B2EMO’s doing rn

[jaunty seal]

It’s interesting though, next arc it’ll be a year later, so the rebellion on Ghorman will have evolved

[sinful reef]

Living on a farm in the country

[signal ember]

and maybe have some competence and not argue with the actual revolutionaries who show up to help

[jaunty seal]

Yeah

But still they’ll be compromised by Syril

[hard helm]

I noticed a tiny interesting detail, but I don't remember which episode it's from. When the Ghorman rebels are looking at Syril's file, the screen on the data pad is a sepia color. Have we ever seen something like that before?

[jaunty seal]

Poor Wilmon. Saw has gone off the deep end

[signal ember]

when wasn't Saw off the deep end

[sinful reef]

Never really a long trip for him tho, is it?

[jaunty seal]

lol

I mean like circled back to the kiddie pool and then went back to the deep end

[bleak oxide]

Ok but important:
Syril thinks the Gorman Front is being used as bait to draw out actual rebels.
So Syril thinks the Ghorman Front is honorable and okay, he just needs to use them for the greater good.
Syril finding out that he was there to puff them up and create a false flag operation may not go over well with him.

[bleak oxide]

Possibly as a toddler
Jury’s out

[jolly condor]

Ahh this reminds me. Was that one guy actually an imperial informant or did Saw make up a reason to kill him?

[hard helm]

I imagine before he started snorting rhydonium. 😆 He did imply it did something to him.

[bleak oxide]

Good question
We will probably never know for sure
And that is the whole point

[jaunty seal]

I don’t know tbh, I wondered if Saw just had that lie ready to go

[signal ember]

they pulled out the recorder, so I'm assuming he was

[bleak oxide]

They could have planted it.

But tbh I think it’s supposed to be nebulous.

Pick whichever version you like best

[sinful reef]

Too bad Bor Gullet didn’t appear to be around

[jolly condor]

Yeah I think so too. The timing seemed too perfect

[signal ember]

also I was expected the fuel/drug/whatever thing to explode and that's when Saw gets a little more cyborg-y

[bleak oxide]

The point is that saw is nuts

[jaunty seal]

He didn’t want to let Wilmon go when he was the better engineer

[bleak oxide]

He’s visiting his grandma on Niamos

[jaunty seal]

But still I figured Saw had some small ounce of honoring his deals with Luthen

[hard helm]

Isn't it Rhydonium? They kept saying Rhydo. I assumed that was shorthand.

[signal ember]

I don't think it's so much honoring as much as "still useful"

[sinful reef]

Loves the vibe and the music

[jaunty seal]

Like, won’t Luthen be mad the person he sent got pressganged into joining Saw’s crew?

[signal ember]

yes but it was energy that they also abuse recreationally

[sinful reef]

If he can use Wilmon with Saw, he’ll think it is a fair trade

[signal ember]

Luthen also doesn't care about individuals. only the Cause

[jaunty seal]

Yeah I wondered at that part, was Saw getting high on rhydonium

And like, forcing Wilmon to as well

[hard helm]

It seemed like he was snorting it. LOL

[signal ember]

"how high are you?"
"what"
"how high"
"hello!"

[bleak oxide]

I’m pretty sure that’s a thing militia groups do in the real world.

Get high on basically whatever’s available

[hard helm]

!!!

[bleak oxide]

For morale and hype purposes

[hard helm]

That's kinda scary.

[signal ember]

and also who needs sleep

[jaunty seal]

Both Allied and German army ran on meth during ww2

[signal ember]

WWII they were literally taking amphetamines

[bleak oxide]

Bix apparently.
Although killing Dr Gorst is clearly the next best thing

[bleak oxide]

Yes
That

There are heroes drug abuse on both sides

[signal ember]

having nightmares? literally kill them.

[bleak oxide]

I mean
If it works

[hard helm]

That's my favorite scene in the series so far!

[signal ember]

she didn't even take his little dessert though

[jaunty seal]

He didn’t get enough time with the headset on imo

[signal ember]

she have eaten it in front of him

[bleak oxide]

The little dessert was compromised
The packaging had his finger smudgies
Best to just burn it with fire

[jaunty seal]

Shoulda left a timed explosive

[hard helm]

Let the past die. Kill it if you have to. - Kylo Ren

[bleak oxide]

Wait didn’t they do that basically?

Well, Bix pressed a trigger.

[jaunty seal]

Cassian pushed a button

[bleak oxide]

Cassian, right

[jaunty seal]

But like, they should have left something so it lasted longer than however long it took her to get out

I know Bix said it would feel like forever

But still

[signal ember]

it would have lasted as long as they wanted it to, it was triggered not timed

[jaunty seal]

Make it forever +1

[bleak oxide]

I think eventually the child alien death screams just melt your brain

There’s no point in just leaving it to run for hours
It’s like nuking nachos too long in the microwave, the cheese goes dry and then what are you even doing.

[signal ember]

I mean. you get better.

[jaunty seal]

Yeah, just boobytrap the door so either his brain melts or someone comes to check on him and boom

[bleak oxide]

Only if you don’t get an overdose I think?

[hard helm]

We don't really know how long Bix was wearing that headset on Ferrix.

[bleak oxide]

I think Wilmon’s dad got too much, and then they hung him.

In season 1

[bleak oxide]

Controlled increments

Possibly only once, even.

But once is bad enough.

[jaunty seal]

They were gonna give the dude his own division, he deserves the brain melts

[bleak oxide]

And they blew up the building he was gonna have his division in, I think.

And hilariously it’s the imperial navy’s fault.

[jaunty seal]

Seemed like just his office

[signal ember]

"It's an honor"
"It's an assignment."
need ya to take like 30% off the top there

[bleak oxide]

Because the imperial navy insisted on having Gorst work for them too.

[bleak oxide]

This is the guy who was like “I’m not doing it for glory”
A total toady.

[jaunty seal]

Partagaz always has witty comebacks

[hard helm]

Seems like it, but I'm just saying that I don't think we have enough evidence to back up the theory that doing it for so long doesn't make a difference.

[signal ember]

yes whatever you say

excited? yes. calm? yes.

whatever bossman wants.

[hard helm]

I love his comebacks!

[jaunty seal]

My favorite was s1 when Dedra blurted out “systems either change or die” and he just sat there and then said “thesis please…”

Didn’t explode in anger, just, ok explain

[hard helm]

I was grinning ear to ear when he said "Pick one!" tonight.

[jaunty seal]

I think calibrate your enthusiasm is my new favorite saying though

[hard helm]

That too

[jaunty seal]

Such a great reply to that brown noser lol

I wondered if we’d see Dedra’s aide again since he seemed so ambitious

[bleak oxide]

And yes we did

[signal ember]

he'll choke on it

[bleak oxide]

I think we also briefly saw Mon’s chauffeur?

The one who’s a spy for ISB.

[jaunty seal]

Not sure, did we see Blevins?

[hard helm]

I believe we did, yes.

[jaunty seal]

I wasn’t paying much attention to the other ISB people

[gentle cliff]

THIS SHOW IS SO DAMN GOOD

[signal ember]

why did they clear the huge war room for that, couldn't they use the white room or a meeting room or something? it's just the two of them and comms

[jaunty seal]

Almost forgot, Bix is now 2/2 on putting her abusers 6 feet under

[signal ember]

hell yes.

[jaunty seal]

Took her awhile to get Gorst

I fear though they didn’t get away with it as cleanly as they think

[hard helm]

And that seems to work, seeing that she wasn't having nightmares of Lieutenant ||Rape|| this week. (Not that killing your abusers personally is a good strategy for real life)

[signal ember]

I mean

[jaunty seal]

Definitely the opposite of how to deal with it in a healthy manner

[bleak oxide]

I mean

[pulsar flower]

The real world justice system has proven completely unwilling to deliver justice for abuse victims so....

[jolly condor]

“…if it works”-anakin

[gentle cliff]

CALIBRATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM

[jaunty seal]

Should be a Partagaz bot that can tell people that lol

[gentle cliff]

Paging @amber edge to the chat.

[signal ember]

that's a sticker

[amber edge]

I HAVENT SEEN THE EPISODE YIU NERF HERDER

[jaunty seal]

I was gonna say, spoilers…

[signal ember]

handing those out at the meetup. CALIBRATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM.

[wise copper]

I feel that Vel and Cinta’s scene kind of telegraphed that something terrible was going to befall either of them. At least that’s how it usually works on other shows.

If I’m not mistaken, Dedra had a “skeptically confident” line which I’ll totally use in RL situations now.

[jaunty seal]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[signal ember]

oh it totally did. they made up and made plans for the future. and the "NO ONE HAVE A BLASTER" meant of course he would have a blaster.

[jaunty seal]

Was kinda surprised Vel didn’t slap that stupid kid

Like what did the five fingers say to the face kid

[amber edge]

I’m squinting my eyes so I Don’t see any of the post.

Bantha poodoo!

[pulsar flower]

Mute the channel!

[jaunty seal]

Gonna need to wait for SWE and other YouTubers to break down if we saw any new Easter egg items in Luthen’s shop

Or if any of the stuff Kleya overheard on the radio are references to things

[bleak oxide]

I saw some weird claw gloves that made me think of a Starkiller clone accessory.

[jaunty seal]

Yeah they featured those pretty prominently in one shot

Wondering if that’s gonna be some legends deep cut

[wise copper]

I need to find that kid’s name just to add to the list of worst SW characters ever…this season has given us him, Moffi and Toffi and Krole

[jaunty seal]

Coruscant daytime TV is a war crime

Not even an apartment renovation show/channel, or Bix certainly would have been watching that

Or a lvl 1313 bar rescue show

[small spade]

1313 Bar Rescue would be insane
I'll take 37 seasons please

[gentle cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ihBfycg8Wg

[trail vector]

A line from him I do so enjoy. And sadly rarely live by.

I am entertained by Luthen giving Bix and Cass that mission to kill Gorst.

Was it a peace offering, a manipulation to reel them back in closer and with more confidence, or was that the mission he was going to give Bix before he found her drug.

At what point did Luthen decide to let them kill Gorst? He obviously knew it would help Bix be “healthy.” And this season has reaffirmed that Luthen is not sentimental.

[trail vector]

If you miss her, the actress plays Belinda in the newest season of Doctor Who. She’s fantastic!

[trail vector]

I have friends everywhere.

I kept thinking Kleya’s blood was going to drip on the floor and they were going to find it.

[sinful reef]

https://www.target.com/p/star-wars-inspiration-director-orson-callan-krennic-action-figure/-/A-93566556 sash and soft cape TBS Krennic up for preorder

[jaunty seal]

Something tells me killing Gorst was not a sanctioned hit just like Cassian just showing up at Luthen’s doorstep

[sinful reef]

They went... Rogue

[pale prism]

Link isn’t working for me

[sinful reef]

Looks like they took it down. Preorders were supposed to open at 1 pm ET but it was available this morning. Might want to try again at 1

[jaunty seal]

Rewatching and just noticed, Cassian has ptsd about shopping 🤦‍♂️ but I guess that happens when you get a multi year prison sentence just for walking to the corner store

[torn latch]

The buildup and backstories are starting to pay off. What an amazing ending to episode 6.

[trail vector]

It happens after the beacon.

It also makes sense that that is what Luthen was going to offer earlier.

Showing the beacon before they go do it was purposeful. Also Lonni told Luthen about the Imperial plans. Luthen would know the details. This was absolutely his idea.

[gentle cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlwMTCWUFJE

[trail vector]

Oh and Erskin happily chatting with other senator aides is so cute. I was wondering if we’d get a scene of him updating Mon.

Like here’s the servants’ dish lady Mon.

[trail vector]

Omg this one made me snort

https://fixupx.com/andorlorians/status/1917432856378327212?s=46

⊹˚. ren (@andorlorians)

#andor spoilers
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︀︀luthen: you shouldn’t be taking those sleeping drugs, they’re bad for you :/
︀︀
︀︀saw: HUFF THE GAS FUMES MY BOY ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

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FixupX · Apr 30, 2025, 4:16 AM

This three episodes arc stuff is fun. We lose at least one character per arc. But also we get to see at least one rebel faction. I can’t wait to see what we get next.

[sinful reef]

Really need ghorlectipods in the Creature Stall (preferably with candy inside)

[hard helm]

What kind of candy, though? And would it have a fortune like Syril's spider?

[trail vector]

Eedy playing with hers after naming it Syril was cute. Mean towards Syril but still cute. I think she could use a pet.

[sinful reef]

It is working again

[trail vector]

“It’s a book” makes me wonder if we would call ebooks books if we never had physical books.

Would we even have that word?

There is so much in these three. I keep thinking of more things! Like Lonni and his relationship to the other Imperial agents.

[jaunty seal]

Uhh what beacon?

[signal ember]

I would buy so many ghorlectipods

[sinful reef]

Another thought it makes sense Syril would enjoy Ghorman so much as his first scene pointed out his tailoring of his corporate security uniform

[jolly condor]

Luthen’s way of signaling Cassa and Bix was by activating this faint, pulsating light atop a distant building within view of the safe house. Cassa and Bix would regularly look out their window with binoculars to see it

[jaunty seal]

Ah that, I’ll have to rewatch but I didn’t get a sense that was at all connected to them killing Gorst

[sinful reef]

It makes sense that Lonny would give Luthen or Kleya a heads up about Gorst. Then Luthen/Kleya signal so Cassian and Bix take him out. The theatrics may have been at their discretion

I think the pacing of this season and the cuts from year to year will make rewatches even more rewarding

[bleak oxide]

And that’s one of the reasons Syril seems to be genuinely connecting with the Ghormans.
Eedy’s classicism (and Syril’s need for control due to Eedy’s abuse) means that Syril likes things clean, orderly, well tailored, etc.
Syril could never have empathized with the grubby, orange and yellow clad working class people of Ferrix.
But the people of Ghorman, who dress carefully and make high quality fabrics…that’s another matter.

[jolly condor]

I agree! I dig it because it feels more grounded in reality. Social engineering, the growth of rebel cells, dealing with PTSD etc are all issues that fester over a long period of time. It’d be jarring if each issue somehow grew to its peak over the span of a few days

[hard helm]

I want a stuffed ghorlectipod. The wood doesn't do them justice. Not enough color.

[signal ember]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

Are the ones Syril was getting toys/models, or taxidermy/molts?

[hard helm]

They looked like they were similar to a woven basket to me.

[signal ember]

I didn't think they were molts just based on my experience with my tarantula molting, but could have been preserved.

[jaunty seal]

Hmm upon rewatching I guess I was wrong, it does look like maybe Lonnie immediately went to tell Luthen. They didn’t show the meeting but he walks off in a hurry after being told about Gorst’s “promotion”

Sleepy brain got me there at the end of the night

[signal ember]

CALIBRATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM

[sinful reef]

Releasing them one hour earlier would really help lol. But we do what we have to for the Rebellion

[jaunty seal]

But that’s what Cassian meant about promising Bix she’d come with, I figured at the time he meant going wherever he was being sent next and then just never connected that maybe he was being sent to kill Gorst, just figured that was an unauthorised detour on their way to the next place

Also noticed it was not the Chandi Merle that was the forgery, just something else, cause Davo said the guy he bought it from is dead

Search of all his art would have caught the bug, but it wasn’t Luthen selling forgeries

Also, Saw is crazy but he didn’t force Wilmon to take his mask off, just convinced him with an insane speech

So now I worry about what horrible stuff Wilmon is going to have done in a years time

[signal ember]

That's what we were saying, it was an entirely different item but they were going to examine everything anyway

[sinful reef]

Yeah, give their only concern about the bug, it seems Luthen’s stuff is legit

[jaunty seal]

I was just grasping at straws to keep alive my “Luthen was a CIS intelligence agent posing as an art dealer” theory

[sinful reef]

Doubt they’ll have time, but a look at Luthen’s professional activities could be cool. Imagine him working with a student Doctor Aphra (she’d be about 20?)

[jaunty seal]

And Krennic’s words were “my rebel is your terrorist, something like that?”

[trail vector]

I need to rewatch that scene.

[jaunty seal]

And finally, that cake or whatever Gorst had looked really good, shame Bix didn’t take it with her

[trail vector]

I was so focused on Kleya. I’m sure there are some gems from the others.

These episodes were really packed.

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-onions-ogres-layers-gif-5703242

Layers!

[jaunty seal]

Yeah I 100% was not connecting all the dots by the last episode, but I’m glad I don’t have to dodge spoilers the rest of the week

[sinful reef]

Hey, missing things the first time makes rewatches even more enjoyable!

[jaunty seal]

Forgot to ask, but what about those with ghorlectophobia?

[bleak oxide]

There’s an app for that.

[jaunty seal]

An app that censors anything Ghorman related on the screen?

Shows pro-imperial ads instead

Or worse, Moffi and Toffi

[signal ember]

They just need to understand the Ghorlectibros. because they are bros.

[jaunty seal]

I wonder if in universe that would be an intense fear of Ghorman fabric

Like ahhh miss me on the spider butt shirt

[signal ember]

probably not since silk is already a thing

[jaunty seal]

lol true

[jaunty seal]

I still feel like some people would feel they are ghorlectino’s

[bleak oxide]

Look we need to support the Ghorlectipods.

The Empire wants to crack their planet open like an egg.

That’s not cool.

[signal ember]

that will release all the baby ghorlectipods

[bleak oxide]

But where will the babies go?
Space?
There’s no bugs to eat in space.

(or finely woven underwear)

I’m just saying this is a conservation issue.

The Ghorman people could try to flee the planet, but the poor spiders can’t.

[jaunty seal]

Maybe that’s how animals evolve to be space based like Purrgill

Now I’m seeing a massive swarm of spiders flying at light speed lol

[jolly condor]

A win for us ghorlectiphobes

[hard helm]

But they're beautiful

[bleak oxide]

How very Imperial of you.

[jaunty seal]

Eedy’s reaction to being given one as a gift was so funny. “Oh I’ll name it Syril and it can be here to neglect me in your place”

[jolly condor]

Yeah the minute I saw the spiders I was like “Wish the death star was complete rn”

[bleak oxide]

There are plenty of planets in the galaxy without spiders.

You could just go to one of those.
Although I guess some of the spider figurines might find their way to you.
But at least you would get candy.

[jaunty seal]

Like that ice planet Mando went to, oh wait, that has spiders

[jolly condor]

Dear God

[jaunty seal]

Or Kashyyk! Oh wait they have spiders

[bleak oxide]

Does Tatooine have spiders?

We’ve never seen any so probably not.

[jaunty seal]

Do you count members of that CIS General’s species that live on Tattooine?

[bleak oxide]

…Darnit I used to know what Admiral Trench’s species was called.

looks it up
The Harch

And no I don’t count them.

The Harch and Aqualish are spider people, but not spiders.

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-hitchcock-peralta-loophole-gif-20262690

[pale prism]

There is a rock worrt on tatooine that's more insectoid than the regular worrt, though not really spiderlike

(think that's the rock worrt, anyway)

[small spade]

nightmare Eye of Aldhani

[trail vector]

Have we talked about Syril caring (kind of) about his employees?

I think his office being destroyed by the imps will throw him. He seems so happy about his office job and getting to be responsible for a team. A team that he thinks are not in danger of dying like the corpo cops.

I had to edit that three times. Yay oncoming sleep attacks.

[inner anchor]

I'm really sad about Cinta's death hitting, almost beat for beat,one of the most infamous Bury Your Gays moments in Lesbian film history - Tara on Buffy, down to the girls getting reunited/back together right before and the shot that killed her being an accidental shot by a man who thinks he knows what he's doing. On top of that, Cinta has been SO under-utilized throughout, and Tony Gilroy has talked about her death being to give Vel luggage, plugging her right into the often uninterrogated disposable Girlfriend of Color trope. Our faves let us down sometimes, and this is a biiiiiig let down for me and other Star Wars queers I'm chatting with.

[trail vector]

I wonder if it’s because Sethu was filming Doctor Who.

She is a main character on it.

They may have felt the rage from people being angry that Bail was recast and decided not to recast Cinta.

[jaunty seal]

I think it’s 50/50 for Syril, he loves being the top spider in the bureaucrat hive, but he also cares about his coworkers like he did those two cops who died to start the show

He seems to feel like any one working on his side is a fellow solider of the empire regardless of how important the job is

[trail vector]

Also I’m sure Vel will be joining Cinta soon.

[pearl garden]

Gilroy said it wasn't. It was to give Vel "luggage" and show the tragedy of war.

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2025/04/tony-gilroy-explains-major-star-wars-character-recasting-in-andor-season-2.html

[trail vector]

Vel is Mon’s cousin so they need her around just a bit longer.

[jaunty seal]

My guess, she sacrifices herself to help get Mon to safety after her speech

[pearl garden]

https://ew.com/andor-creator-tony-gilroy-explains-character-death-episode-6-11723279

[trail vector]

Ooo that sounds plausible.

[jaunty seal]

She can’t die and leave a body for the empire to find without it implicating Mon in some way

So either she gets vaporised or she dies late enough that the empire is already after Mon

I’m hoping it’s the latter and a noble sacrifice

[trail vector]

Or she survives and lives somewhere we just don’t see! But hoping any Andor character survives seems foolish.

We know where this is all going (for the most part). The cool thing about the deaths are their symbolism.

[jaunty seal]

Yeah we have seen B2 getting some semblance of an ending where he lives

But I don’t think she’ll go quietly

[trail vector]

What kind of character was Brasso? What kind of character was Cinta? At which point did their deaths occur? And how does that reflect upon the state of affairs in this timeline? Etc

[trail vector]

True

[jaunty seal]

After how Cinta died I’d bet she’ll want to go out heroically

[jolly condor]

I could see some characters joining the larger Rebel Alliance as consultants and such. Aiding in all the behind-the-scenes work like finding more sponsors and securing funding, continuing spying efforts, setting up rebel cells else where in the galaxy etc

Pretty much what they’re doing now but under the more unified front

Someone had to help those Bothans get the plans for the second death star😉

[trail vector]

That would be nice.

[jaunty seal]

True, as I’d said earlier about it being nice to see the newbie rebels, all those cells like the Ghorman Front and Maya Pei need someone with experience telling them what to do, and them trusting that person

Luthen did have Bix doing appraisals of weapons, so maybe she retires to the blaster farm

[pulsar flower]

Yeah. There are just a number of things this season that feel like a big letdown to me. I've been too busy today to fully process yesterday's eps but... Yeah.

[hard helm]

Something I noticed on my rewatch: Despite the fact that Citizen Lezine was not part of the Ghorman Front, he was the one who helped Vel carry Cinta's body away from the crime scene.

[dreamy loom]

Really didn't like Bail recast, but otherwise great arc

[jaunty seal]

I noticed that too, he seems like the grizzled old person willing to step up and lead

He caused the whole thing, but didn’t run, he helped

[signal ember]

but had he not been so obstinate in the first place

I don't know, we caught that right away, but it felt weird

[hard helm]

Yeah. I bet he felt partially responsible. But I think he realized to an extent what was going on with the disabled transport, and wanted to be a part of it.

[pulsar flower]

He wasn't the one who pulled a blaster though

[jaunty seal]

I’m not sure he wanted to join but more feels honor bound now

[pulsar flower]

Blame rests solidly with the young guy imho.

[wise copper]

Intriguingly, Samm, the one who shot Cinta and completely escalated the situation with Lezine is also Syril’s spider guy

Also, Kleya’s brooch/cutting tool to be sold at Dok Ondar’s - when???

[hard helm]

But the blaster was pulled on him, and it misfired during his struggle. I would feel guilty too.

[pulsar flower]

Sure, I would too, but I don't think it's his fault. He may share a small part of the blame, but if I'm that dude and someone pulls a weapon on me, I'm not just gonna stand there and get shot

[hard helm]

No. Certainly not.

[dreamy loom]

Also I'm glad Dedra and Syril are still together

the home scene was very funny

[jaunty seal]

Trinket selling kid is definitely 99% at fault for even bringing the blaster when he’d been singled out by Vel, but the old dude could easily have just walked away like the kid was begging him to

[dreamy loom]

come's home, super platonic kiss. Then we only have an hour. Time for nookie! lmao

[jaunty seal]

And yeah that was…odd

[dreamy loom]

it was so perfectly... them lmao

[jaunty seal]

Barely a peck on the cheek and then, turn off the lights so we don’t see anything

[dreamy loom]

it's Star Wars we aren't gonna get a sex scene

[jaunty seal]

Well I mean more not we as the audience but more like, she doesn’t want to see him naked kind of awkward

[dreamy loom]

nah I don''t think that was it

[jaunty seal]

I dunno I’m bad at relationship stuff, but still a super weird relationship

[dreamy loom]

of course it is, but it's meant to be weird

a lot of relationships are a lot weirder than they seem

[jaunty seal]

True I guess I mean atypical

[hard helm]

I agree, but I never thought we'd see an Imperial try to rape somebody either. Andor is not like the rest of Star Wars.

[dreamy loom]

tbh I'm surprised it's taken this long to see it

the Empire is full of evil people, that do despicable things

[jaunty seal]

We’ve only been seeing the worst of the worst, not the day to day evil

[signal ember]

tbf there was a strongly hinted at sex scene in S1 with Bix and the other guy. and Cassian goes to a brothel

[jaunty seal]

Lot more shocking to see something that can and does happen in this world

[signal ember]

there was a toilet too!

[pulsar flower]

Uh. ROTJ called

Those scenes feel different in the way they are presented but Jabba is absolutely sexually assaulting Leia

He puts her in a bikini, chains her to him, and we see him straight up lick her.

[trail vector]

I vote for more toilets in SW

[wise copper]

Prince Xixor and his pheromone powered attempts of seduction (of Leia once again) come calling.
As does Kylo’s “I can TAKE WHATEVER I WANT FROM YOU” line which IMO should have probably been rewritten.

[pulsar flower]

There's also the entirety of Courtship of Princess Leia 😬😬😬

Oh and that Zygerrian slave trader episode of TCW. That was, uh, something.

[dreamy loom]

Yeah but we never see them in the act is what I mean

[dreamy loom]

True

But this is two humanoids so it feels a lot more real to us

[pulsar flower]

Andor definitely treats it more seriously

[hard helm]

I disagree. Mythrol using the toilet as a excuse to look for a way to escape from Mando felt like a really dumb scene to me. And I believe one of George Lucas's original rules for Star Wars was no toilets. They seem to be breaking a lot of his rules nowadays. Not that they're required to follow his rules anymore, but it is his universe.

[trail vector]

I can’t tell if that’s satire.

[gentle cliff]

Ok lets #RealTalk for a minute.

George had no rules. He broke them all the time if he did.

[signal ember]

Geroge 100% made shit up on the fly

[bleak oxide]

The rule was “there is oxygen in space…when I want there to be”.

So yeah the rule was that he could do whatever, whenever.

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-ron-swanson-permit-fake-permit-gif-13385177

[small spade]

No rules except the Rule of Cool

[warped marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ihBfycg8Wg&t=519s

[wise copper]

I rewatched this one bc Kleya’s situation was so tension filled that I didn’t focus on the Mon vs. Krennic repartee. Her delivery of “how pleasant to see you away from the witness stand!” where she slows down during “away” to emphasize “witness stand” was just so - Ohhhhh what a Death Star blast of a zing!!!! I’d like to think that Perrin, when he complained about having to “pack a year’s worth of insincerity into 3 nights” helped to put Mon into that frame of mind. “What a festive evening” indeed as Krennic put it.

If only we could see those senate committee hearings they mentioned and be treated to more Mothma vs Krennic wordsaber sparring!

[cinder shale]

That end scene was cathartic

[warped marten]

An interesting small point that I heard in an interview with Tony Gilroy - The very brief scene with Bail in the last episode was done intentionally in order to make Bail’s more extended parts in the next episodes less jarring. He wanted a brief introduction to the new actor to ease people into the change.

Just one of a thousand little things they put thought into without the audience ever realizing it.

[bleak oxide]

It kind of flabbergasts me a bit that people are asking “why do this thing, what is the point” about certain things in season 2.

We saw in season 1 of Andor that building foundational elements and layering the plot was very important.

It stands to reason the same process would be applied in season 2.

I guess I just find the lack of faith disturbing. 😅

[dreamy loom]

I'm just sad we don't have thr same actor for Bail

[bleak oxide]

That’s fair.
When I was watching various SW media remotely with my mother during the pandemic, Jimmy Smits was one of the only actors she was very familiar with, so him appearing in anything became a fun inside joke.

But Benjamin Bratt is a good actor, so I am cautiously optimistic.

[dreamy loom]

It will be fine, and I get why they couldn't get him but it is still disappointing

[jaunty seal]

So I just realised, we got absolutely no confirmation that Tay is dead

Mon didn’t even seem to have a beef with Luthen about him

I guess she danced/drank out any feelings she might have had about it

When Cinta said she’d had an accident it made me wonder if it either was a purposeful part of killing Tay (i.e. crashing the speeder and hoping she lives) or something else went wrong

[bleak oxide]

I’m still pretty sure Tay is dead.

[pale prism]

The year-long date for the arc time skip and how long ago her accident was 100% makes me think she crashed to kill Tay

[jaunty seal]

Oh yeah, he’s dead

Just, no one said hey, why’s Tay dead

But yeah, I think she staged a speeder crash

[bleak oxide]

It’s been a year, and the only people who would say to Mon “hey remember when Tay died?” would probably be Perrin or Sculdun.

And when we saw all of them, they were all very busy rubbing elbows at parties and such.

[jaunty seal]

Even when she ran into Sculdin they were like “hey, seen our newly married kids?” “Nah”

[bleak oxide]

If it were me, discussing the living, married kids would be a more prominent conversational topic with my son-in-law’s father than discussing a mutual friend who died a year ago.

The kids are people Mon or Sculdun might actually see at some point.
Nobody’s gonna see Tay anymore.

[jaunty seal]

That was both amusing to me they just kinda let them do their own thing but also makes me hopeful Leida is able to distance herself and not get thrown into the imperial meat grinder

Poor pleasure loving Perrin isn’t going to be as lucky to have that chance

But, Sculdin may have resources

[bleak oxide]

Leida’s still going to be in trouble when Mon makes her speech, but yes she has more distance and wiggle room to get away.

[jaunty seal]

I’m wondering if maybe part of her escape is thanks to Sculdin’s resources

[bleak oxide]

That would be ironic

But interesting

[jaunty seal]

He’s definitely got people in his roster who would be slippery enough to get Mon away and then have a forged excuse for how they got hoodwinked if the imperials catch them

Now I’m hoping for this lol, it would be such an appropriate twist that even the underworld/criminals are turning against the empire

Or at least working both sides

That’s another facet I’d not thought of, but I get the feeling the only people willing to do business with the rebels up to this point is Luthen, but maybe that’s changing and the underworld at large is starting to consider the risk/reward. I’m thinking of Benicio Del Toro’s character in the sequels, always kind of took it for granted that people like him sold to the rebellion, but maybe it wasn’t always so

[hard helm]

I find it amusing that this AI is advertising for Disney+.