The Acolyte - Episode 5 Discussion

[dusky lark]

Im hoping at the end, that Laser whip turns up and she just spends an entire episode teaching the Sith what the wrong end of a laser whip is.

[plucky plover]

I believe I did warn you guys about the sun and moon thing. The only difference is that it was Sol and Lune when I said it.

[spiral tiger]

Trueeeee but both scenarios could've lead to her death. With so many unknowns, it was an inherently dangerous mission from the jump. I digged the banter between the two because Qimir was cleverly calling out the hypocrisies of not just Sol, but the Jedi Order itself

[dusky lark]

...I think I am still in the WTF! stage of grief after that fight.

[round sparrow]

And he's any better with his "kill a Jedi without a weapon" nonsense?

[spiral tiger]

Not entirely. The core theme of the show is that some things aren't as black and white as we're lead to believe. Qimir was pointing out that in some aspects, the Jedi and their philosophies aren't any better than the Sith

[winged gale]

NGL I misunderstood that whooooole thing. The goal was to kill a Jedi that did not wield or have a weapon on them... I'm over here thinking they're supposed to kill a Jedi without using a weapon, like their bare hands. I think it was Ep3 before I had my "ohhhhhh" moment

[plucky plover]

Nobody said Sith cared about their apprentices. For most of them, they were willing to let their apprentice die at the drop of a hat if it meant furthering their goals. They can just get a new one.

[spiral tiger]

Of course comparing the two is wild, I still firmly believe that the Jedi operate with the best intentions of the galaxy, working to do what they feel is the right thing. Something the Jedi hadn't considered was the affect of doing the right thing had on those who seemingly got the shorter end of the stick

[dusky lark]

Clearly the Jedi are better than the Sith, that really is black and white, when ever the Sith get a chance billions die. I think, to use an analogy, the Jedi codes are much more like the Christian Ten commandments, they are not BE GOOD they are much more don't do the bad thing. Being a Jedi <> being good, but it does equal 'can we all try to not do the bad thing, and maybe stop other people doing the bad thing as well.'

[spiral tiger]

Important to note that with any decision you make, there'll always be someone who loses. It's inevitable

[plucky plover]

The goal was to challenge the the Jedi to betray their ideals. Part of the Jedi code is not to attack an unarmed person, even if they attack first. By putting a Jedi such as Torbin's life in danger without a weapon (sort of), Mae is proving that the Jedi will betray their ideals when backed into a corner.

[dusky lark]

The Jedi isnt a suicide cult, they are allowed to ignore a rule if its going to get them dead.

[plucky plover]

I know. I was writing that from Qimir's point of view.

[dusky lark]

See also : Kirk and the Prime Directive.

[spiral tiger]

Funny enough, it's them not ignoring certain rules that may have worsened situations and conflicts. It's something that has always frustrated me with the Jedi. I get that it isn't the jedi way, but the amount of villains who've only gotten a slap on the wrist for committing unfathomable atrocities...only to continue committing unfathomable atrocities...is bananas

[round sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cackles-star-wars-sheev-palpatine-gif-15366449

Prime freaking example

[spiral tiger]

In ATLA, Avatar Yangchen raised an incredible point: although the air-nomads are pacifists (to a certain extent), it is the duty of the avatar to place those beliefs aside for the greater good. The Jedi, like the Avatar, cannot be pacifistic. Some villains desperately need permanent ends.

[plucky plover]

On the flip side, if this story involved some of the Jedi we're more used to, Mae might have gotten a second chance and been allowed to explain what really happened with Kelnacca. I think that although Jecki's actions were perfectly justified given what had just happened, it was bad timing. If a more experienced Jedi had been in the right place at the right time, perhaps Mae would've been allowed to explain rather than Jecki just going full beast mode on her.

[lime loom]

I thought you were talking about Pokémon Sun and Moon

[spiral tiger]

True but we the audience have a level of hindsight bias. we know that Mae didn't kill Kelnacca because we saw that scene. From the POV of Jecki, some rogue assassin trained in the Jedi arts, who's MO is to hunt Jedi, is coincidentally in the hut of said jedi she was hunting, and said jedi is found dead

Up until that point, the Jedi assume (correctly) that Mae is incredibly sneaky and not to be trusted. Mae could swear up and down that she didn't kill Kelnacca but the wrong place/wrong time argument can only go so far for someone who's already killed two other Jedi in the span of a few days

[plucky plover]

??? I was literally responding to a screenshot that you posted about the sun and the moon. Why? I get that my avatar is from Pokémon, but I don't think I have ever brought up Pokémon in this server...

[spiral tiger]

I mean they were ready to throw Osha in the slammer for presumed murder of Indara. Yord coincidentally following Osha as she trailed off and discovered newly -deceased Torbin helped vindicate her

[pulsar grove]

And then weirdly not coming out at the sight of a Jedi Master collapsed on the floor.

[keen vortex]

As for Jedi vs Sith. The devil doesn't lie. He doesn't have to. Doesn't make him good.

[green ether]

just saw the episode.wow.SO.MANY.DEATHS!!!

[winged gale]

Anybody know what the deal was with the helmet/metal being able to short-circuit lightsabers?

[spiral tiger]

I remember seeing something similar in legends called cortosis👀

[winged gale]

Thanks for that -- Googled it ||Qimir wears a cortosis helmet on The Acolyte. Cortosis is an uncommon metal that is among the strongest and strangest in the galaxy far, far away. It’s found on two Star Wars planets: the Mid Rim planet Dinzo and the Outer Rim planet Mokivj.

Cortosis is extremely fragile unless refined. Then, it becomes incredibly powerful. Timothy Zahn’s Thrawn: Alliances explained why. The rare metal has an “unusually high energy absorption and transmission coefficients.” That allows cortosis to “dissipate” energy blasts along fibers without damaging them. While cortosis has its limits, notably lengthy energy attacks, it still poses a unique problem for Jedi fighting a dark side user.||

[random pier]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Cortosis

[winged gale]

That same book had a lizard that could block force powers too iirc?

[random pier]

Also anti-telepathy

"so you can read my thoughts? No"

[spiral tiger]

Interesting stuff🤔At first I thought he was using a similar device to the one we've seen in the HR book Rising Storm

[crimson leaf]

Is that because telepathy involves the Force, and the Force is a form of energy?

[spiral tiger]

Ahhh like magento!

[winged gale]

Magento explains the purple 🤔

[spiral tiger]

I could see it, but that means it'd also limit Qimir's force abilities too

[stiff salmon]

First thought was
so this mf got on a smiley magneto helmet

"magento"

HA!

[spiral tiger]

...what if...what if qimir is magn-

Would be a wild way to introduce star wars to the MCU LMFAOOOO

[winged gale]

I still want Qimir to survive and be the old wandering Sith in Visions.

When it was split in two and made those little ones? Oooooooooo

[lean thunder]

Well now I'm very sad.

[warm ice]

Qimir is Mephisto.

[dusty light]

Crazy that Leslie wrote the role just for Manny. Dudes already way scarier and effective in combat then like most of the dark side users we seen before

Technically he’s killed the 2nd most jedi on screen after Vader right?

[round sparrow]

https://x.com/CultureCrave/status/1806059269625889171

Culture Crave 🍿 (@CultureCrave) on X

Manny Jacinto confirms The Stranger in #TheAcolyte is a Sith Lord

The first new live-action Sith introduced since 2002

(via @EW)

Twitter · Jun 26, 2024, 8:17 PM

[winged gale]

I don't think I can go back to watching The Good Place the same way anymore. I'm just gonna look at Jason the same way I look at Darth Jar Jar.

"We know you're just pretending"

[hollow talon]

https://tenor.com/view/gummy-worms-eat-thumbs-up-great-good-gif-10609781

[limpid tinsel]

Ohhhh, he lying through his teeth in this interview.

https://x.com/radiorebelpod/status/1805985526702338137?s=46&t=X_H7T1xfIYUOyNRyChqjsg

Radio Rebellion: A Star Wars Podcast (@RadioRebelPod) on X

Liar! 🤣🤣 He even mentions Charlie and Dafne 😭😭 #TheAcolyte

Twitter · Jun 26, 2024, 3:24 PM

[round sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-elf-buddy-the-elf-throne-of-lies-christmas-gif-1174038786188830953

[runic badge]

So say what you will about other bits of the new shows, but casting has been A+ in every show

[spiral tiger]

Didn't Kylo's theme play with the qimir reveal? Would be interesting if he's somehow related to the knights of ren

[surreal helm]

It did

I watched it again. It was subtle but there

When I heard it I was like “ooooh” which is why a fun theory I say to myself is that Qimir isn’t a sith. Maybe he could be the first of the knights of ren order. Maybe the score was just there for fun but hey could help the cause of Qimir not being a sith. Idk. We’ll figure out soon if Qimir is a sith or if he is serving someone

[dusky lark]

Im hoping that the writers really start to understand with the scale of the Star Wars universe whole epics could take place and never cross over into already established stuff. It would (IMO) be cool if Qimir was just totally unrelated to any other Sith.

[green wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

Fight choreography... literally some of the best since RotS

[keen parrot]

I agree with you, but with the rule of 2 and each apprentice ascending to master by killing their own master pretty much all the Sith are some how related. That being said I’d love for him to be totally unique and have a story of his own, and I hope there’s an episode that shows some of his back story and how he got to this point

[wheat cobalt]

It may be an unpopular opinion, but I thought the fight choreography was better than RotS. RotS Anakin vs Obi-Wan was too flashy IMO.

[pulsar grove]

I don't think many will disagree with you.

[green wedge]

I mean Obi-Ani is flashy but honestly that was kind of the best part of it because until that point we hadn't had anything on that scale even in AotC

[wheat cobalt]

Smilo's style was aggressive and terrifying

[uneven shadow]

oh many will but most of it is out of misplaced hatred or nostalgia

[green wedge]

Super aggressive

[uneven shadow]

the obi ani spin has always been a point of conversation. people like to ignore it 20 years on but it is absolutely a flashy bit for the sake of it

[green wedge]

that|| hidden second blade||

[uneven shadow]

i swear a remember them making a toy like that years ago

[green wedge]

There were a few electronic banks and things from what i remember

[arctic cloak]

Atm I don’t think he’s an actual Sith, just a darkside user who wants to be a Sith. Kind of like Kylo wanting to be the next Vader (the music cue was very intentional imo). Very curious about his background and connection to Sol…A connection to the Knights of Ren would be interesting. Either way I’m doubtful he’s connected to the line of Sith that we know of from the Skywalker saga but time will tell

[keen parrot]

That was awesome, I want it

[green wedge]

I see this potentially being the origin for the knights of ren considering he doesnt see himself as being a sith

[arctic cloak]

The way he announced himself as a Sith was a little telling to me, like he not only had to tell the Jedi but had to convince himself

[dusky lark]

Its popular with me and you are right.

[green wedge]

Well it's the way he says it too, "But the Jedi like you might call me... sith" It's more like... That's what you see me as but in reality I don't fit under their category either. He talks about "rules rules rules" which the sith still have plenty of as well.

[arctic cloak]

Exactly

[green wedge]

Now the red saber and aggro fighting style would fall under sith for sure though

But that feels more like just a way to counter the Jedi

[arctic cloak]

Though not exclusively, just like not all light side users are Jedi. Kylo was not a Sith but falls under both those “rules”

[runic badge]

I think if the Sith knew about cortosis/had a source for it, they absolutely would have used it. But that’s just my opinion

But it points to Qimir being a different type of dark sider

[surreal helm]

Indeed time will tell. Glad to have read this response

[potent helm]

He died like a chump. What an ignominious death

[zealous mauve]

Me on the rewatch….

https://tenor.com/view/the-sixth-sense-haley-joel-osment-cole-sear-i-see-dead-people-dead-gif-4431095

[potent helm]

Re-watch? You're brave

[keen parrot]

He’s a Sith, maybe not a Darth Sidious style Sith but certainly a Sith, a few episodes back he and Mae say the first line of the Sith Code. Plus if I remember correctly this show was described as a story centered more around the Sith. Just my gut feeling

[winged gale]

"Jedi like y ou might call me.... Sith" because that's all the Jedi know. If you're not Jedi, you're Sith. There's no real name for badguy force users other than that.

But, there are so many iterations of what the "sith" are anymore. They were once an actual race of beings, eventually (mostly?) wiped out, and their ideologies became the religion of it all. Going back in canon it's a fairly bastardized term as is

[potent helm]

Is that bit of lore even still canon?

[winged gale]

Pretty sure, yeah. They were interbred to erase the pure Sith bloodlines

[potent helm]

Ok, can't remember if Disney erased that

[winged gale]

Oh I guess "technically" the species doesn't exist in canon. Just legends.

But time will tell what comes out, I guess.

[keen parrot]

I think the only sith mentioned in canon currently are Bane, Plagueis, Sidious, Maul, Tyranus, and Vader, but there’s a good chance I’m wrong about that

[spiral tiger]

This this this. It does make me wonder though if Qimir is a sith, is he the master or apprentice?🤔Would be kinda rad seeing his master show up and just start goin ham on everyone

[winged gale]

Season 2 😄

[keen parrot]

He did say he wants a pupil, maybe he just killed his master

[proper python]

Sith species has been brought into canon

[proper python]

Momin. Revan.

[lean thunder]

Yeah, quite a few via DK guides and the Darth Vader comics.

[runic badge]

Tenebrous

[arctic cloak]

In my opinion, saying a line from the Sith code doesn’t inherently make one a Sith in the sense of the rule of two and lineage that we know of from the Skywalker saga. I think we need to see more of his background and how it all plays out before we can truly say he’s a “Sith”. He could idolize the Sith and even consider himself one/adhere to the code but many of his lines and delivery lead me to believe that although he is trying to follow the ways of the Sith, I don’t believe he is a part of the Plaguis-Anakin group. I think the whole thing is more complicated than just Sith and Jedi but that’s a personal viewpoint

[green wedge]

Also... dude's jacked, like... didn't even need the force for a couple of them lol

[runic badge]

He was choking out Mae while fending off Sol at one point

[potent helm]

they were pretty pathetic

[random pier]

"I want an Acolyte" because the Master and Pupil is a crucial part, that he needs to be part of it

[arctic cloak]

Exactly!

[keen vortex]

Me last week: Smilo Ren is so powerful, he knocked down 8 full grown jedi.
Me this week: Bingo.

[random pier]

buying a katana at the mall doesn't make you a ninja

[green wedge]

New Ben Swolo has been found

[runic badge]

Now you tell me

[green wedge]

the power of the darkside is apparently hitting the gym

[random pier]

also Manny Jacinto is 5'11" and you have to be over 6' to be a Sith. sooooo

[runic badge]

Kylo was pretty swole, Qimir must have made upper body workouts part of the code

[keen vortex]

He's still so much taller than me. Cries

It's ok. I was made short to fit into small places. Sniffs

[arctic cloak]

That’s 100% the vibe I’m getting from the whole thing. He obviously is powerful, strong in the force, and has some training but as we’ve seen force users isn’t as simple as Jedi and Sith. His hints as to a past with Sol make me wonder what other force using groups have been encountered, which I think is cool. Bringing in other darkside groups opens up a lot of possibilities for future stories without a need for retcons

[lean thunder]

I would again point out that people in Star Wars lie all the time. He might be a Sith, he might not be one. He could be part of the what becomes the Knights of Ren. He could be something totally new. He could want to be a Sith, or he could be actively rejecting having been someone's apprentice.

[random pier]

definitely. Three episodes left and I'm excited to find out more details

[green wedge]

I think he's former Jedi though at least with the way Yorde reacted to seeing him and the way he talked to Sol about his past

[runic badge]

Qimir just wants to do his reps in peace without the Jedi telling him he’s putting too much weight on the bar

[random pier]

Yord saw him at the market when they were catching Mae

[green wedge]

Oh true

[arctic cloak]

Didn’t Yord meet him?

[random pier]

remember, they caught him first?

[green wedge]

True true yes forgot about that scene

[random pier]

history with Sol, yes. I don't think history with Yord beyond that meeting

[green wedge]

But not sure what that means for Sol and what he apparently knows about him

[keen vortex]

NOT the actors but the characters remind me of the juxtaposition of an actually strong guy Qimir vs the guy whose muscles are just for show Yord. Yord is the jacked guy at work who refuses to lift the heavy stuff.

[runic badge]

He’s just looking for someone to spot him while he lifts

[green wedge]

looks at the fires that took out the witches and then back at Sol

[arctic cloak]

I actually hope he is not a former Jedi though acknowledge it as a possibility. Legends expanded a lot on force use outside of Jedi and Sith and I’m glad they’re exploring it and possibly going further. Former Jedi gone bad has been done enough imo. I’m hopeful we’re seeing another example of a different force wielding order

[green wedge]

I see it as potential to see two sides of the same coin for this era. Osha a former Padawan that left but remained good and Qimir a former Padawan that went bad.

He could very well be in the same boat as the witches though, force sensitive but didn't want to be controlled

Potentially in parallel to Osha with his family suffering the same fate as the witches but caused by the Jedi

[spare crane]

5’11” is a completely reasonable height. You can trust a person that says they are 5’11”

[arctic cloak]

Yeah just a little overdone to me personally. Too predictable. They have a chance to go in a different direction, which I like and are kind of hinting at it. Another Jedi gone rogue and becoming villain just doesn’t do much for me in theory but would need to see the whole thing play out.

[random pier]

yes. because the temptation is too easy to round up, so if they say it, they can be trusted.

[spare crane]

Exactly

[lean thunder]

So funny thing there... I have terrible posture and thought I was 6'0" exactly for years. Got measured, turns out I was closer to 5'11", so not having an ego about it I just started telling people I was 5'11". Did a bunch of Tai-Chi, improved my posture, and then when lads in the pub were bragging about being exactly 6'0" tall to women I would go "you clearly aren't, because I'm just 5'11" and I'm taller than you".

Moved to England, got measured for my NHS registration and...

Turns out I was 6'1" all along.

[spiral tiger]

I'm still hoping he's apart of some other darkside cult that we have yet to discover. I also wouldn't be opposed to him just doing his own thing, not entirely apart of any sect. It seemed that was his motivation

[spare crane]

That’s something a Sith would say…

[lean thunder]

If you'd seen me while I was saying it... that'd have been a fair assumption.

[dusky lark]

I lost an inch pretty much instantly in a motorcycle crash, probably puts me under the Sith height requirement...

[runic badge]

I’m 5’10”ish but probably would be 5’11” if it weren’t for scoliosis

[random pier]

I never hit 5'. so I am most definitely a fraud.

[lean thunder]

Or just that sneaky.

"What, me? Couldn't be a Sith. Way too short". Then the second their backs are turned.... vwommmm.

[spare crane]

It’s the spikes

[random pier]

spikes count

[runic badge]

Sad balding noises

[random pier]

you can still have spikes

[arctic cloak]

Maybe they’ll connect him to the TROS Sith Eternal cult? Separates him from the rule of two but keeps him adjacent. Just spitballing now lol

[keen vortex]

Maul's horns are bone. Bones definitely count.

Qimir gets to see a whole expanded universe compared to me.

[runic badge]

He’s traveled the galaxy and still not forgotten arm day

[keen vortex]

What's it like seeing all the dust up there?

[spare crane]

Actually I’m 6’1” with Mohawk.

[keen vortex]

So unfair

[spiral tiger]

Yeaaaah all are gnarly ideas! I'd just hope he isn't some disillusioned dark jedi

[dusky lark]

...this is a Mohawk 🙂

[arctic cloak]

We’ve seen that enough imo. My hope is it’s something along the lines of him being a part of some darkside user group that Sol and company encountered and fought with maybe killing his master/teacher.

[dusky lark]

I still cant work out what his connection with the witches is.

[random pier]

we're not supposed to know yet

[arctic cloak]

Also can’t forget Christopher Lee at 6 foot 5

[random pier]

ok so there are a few exceptions

[stuck knoll]

I saw someone suggest like OSHA/Mae it's sol/qimir

Which I thought was interesting.. If nothing else

[dusky lark]

I know he doesnt look old enough but what if... he is the father... and one of the witches is lying...

[keen vortex]

I guess tall is evil?

makes note

[runic badge]

Well the shortest of the group ended up one of the most, if not the most, evil

[keen vortex]

But still tall.

I am according to Disney 5'3". According to previous drs' measurements 5'2.75"

[runic badge]

Might just mean you’d end up even more evil than Palpatine

[keen vortex]

Trusssst in me

[runic badge]

I mean Yoda is short but the most powerful Jedi

[keen vortex]

Qimir babe needs one of those drinks

Hmm I tempted to make that my phone's background. I currently have manatees.

But every time I open my phone I could feel wanted.

Reach for me and I reach for youuu

Ok time to go.

[runic badge]

Do they have a promo picture like that of the other Jedi? I’d be tempted to make a wallpaper set like I use of Expanse backgrounds right now

[signal kernel]

GOAT

[jade grail]

Nah I’m good.
Dude is straight evil

[signal kernel]

Smiley is the equivalent of Bill Cosby with the potions. Not one to be trusted

[plucky plover]

Leslye Headland has been asked in multiple interviews whether there will be a Season 2, and she refuses to answer. That means either she's just intent on keeping everything a secret, or Season 1 will end in a cliffhanger. TBH, I find either one equally likely.

[pulsar grove]

Whatever happens in the last three episodes, do not expect Headland to slow her Boonta Eve Classic pace. "Something that I've noticed is first seasons will end on what should have been the break into act two," she says. "It feels like everyone's really expecting [their shows] to get a second season, and I don't feel that's a good idea. I threw everything into season 1, because who knows what's going to happen?"

[keen vortex]

You think that about everyone I like.

[jade grail]

I mean…

He murdered many people brutally.

Didn’t blink an eye.

[keen vortex]

But he did smile.

I'm a sucker for a good line too.
"What extraordinary beings we are
Even in the revelation of our triumph
You see the depth of our despair."

[runic badge]

I’m still trying to wrap my head around that

Like, what he means there

[signal kernel]

Bottom line is it needs to be profitable, which is extremely hard with streaming shows

If grogu wasn't so marketable I'm not sure we would have seen a season 3

[plucky plover]

She must be saying that only after more of the plot has been revealed. I specifically looked for info on whether there would be more than one season a few episodes ago, and I saw none of that.

[proper python]

She's been saying similar things for at least a year now

[runic badge]

Honestly it feels like a one and done plot, like, all the mysteries will be revealed

[plucky plover]

Well, I guess I'm just looking in the wrong places...

[proper python]

Google search also keeps getting worse.

[plucky plover]

They set up an entire universe of TV series with a multi-year plan, without having a plan B, in the case of decreases in viewership. I completely approve of and appreciate projects like that, but if I were them, I would have had a backup in place if things didn't go according to plan.

[green wedge]

Shout out to all the service industry workers whose phones keep autocorrecting Osha to OSHA

[signal kernel]

I've never really taken those seriously anyways due to how many projects they silently shoot off into space

(Looking at you Ryan's trilogy) soooo many examples

[plucky plover]

To me, it felt like that in the beginning. But now, it feels like as soon as one detail of the mystery is revealed, another that we didn't know about is put into the mix.

[plucky plover]

Technically, that trilogy hasn't been scrapped or shelved. From what I hear, Ryan Johnson is still planning to do it. He's just busy with other projects at the moment.

[signal kernel]

Surely you must agree that is minimum 80% cope right haha

That's my whole point of including the word silently in the previous message

[plucky plover]

Well, that's debatable. At the very least, there have been statements about it. A Droid Story, on the other hand, hasn't been scrapped or shelved either. But we haven't gotten a single update on that for over THREE years now!

[signal kernel]

The biggest one besides Ryan is probably the GOT directors, majority of the reason why szn 8 was so terrible was cause they rushed for their star wars trilogy

Unfortunate:/

[round sparrow]

It's already been discussed. Technically he had the most brutal and HORRIFIC death as he would have laid there, unable to move, staring at the corpses of his allies as he suffocated in a totally paralyzed body. This isn't being shot in the back or being thrown out a window by a cackling drama queen.

[potent helm]

When you suffer massive spinal trauma like that you die pretty fast as you stop breathing immediately. You'd lose consciousness extremely quickly

[signal kernel]

We better see some sort of guilt with osha next week, basically got yord killed cause she wouldn't listen

[keen vortex]

Yord dying is only on Yord and Qimir.

[spiral tiger]

It depends on where exactly the spinal cord was injured, and the severity of said injury. Usually a loss of consciousness isn't as immediate as you'd think in these situations where there isn't any obvious cranial trauma.

[signal kernel]

Definitely not entirely, she kept insisting

" but he'll kill them "

Like they didn't already know and see that already lol

[spiral tiger]

Ehhh I think fully pinning the blame on her is a bit unfair. The jedi knew this may very well be the end the minute they landed on Kelnacca's planet. Being a Jedi is an inherently dangerous gig

[signal kernel]

Not pinning the full blame AT ALL. but if she would have followed orders that death would have been avoided

I want to see this guilt as character development, if it's not shown it's a very selfish and self centered person, because she absolutely played a role in his death

[keen vortex]

I don't think it would have been avoided.

We know he wants Osha.

He would have dispatched the rest then come for them.

[spiral tiger]

It wasn't selfish. Yord could've easily subdued Osha and kept going. He hinted at it multiple times while they were together. I don't think Osha purposely had Yord killed. I just think sith happens

[keen vortex]

Hehe Sith happens.

[spiral tiger]

This this this. I mean Qimir managed to take out eight Jedi in a matter of minutes. He was eventually gonna catch up and kill Yord

[keen vortex]

The only reason Smilo Ren stopped killing was because he got Osha.

If anything, Osha saved three lives.

[signal kernel]

Youre not following...

Yes, yord could have done that

But she made him feel guilty by leaving. She 100% played a role into yord dying, because if she said NOTHING. they'd be on the ship

Yord has free will yes, he's to blame for not following orders

Just like how osha is to blame for not following 2 set of orders and the result of that was his death.

It is really that simple

[spiral tiger]

I get you bro but it ain't as black and white as you'd think

[keen vortex]

We follow, we don't agree.

[spiral tiger]

I mean Osha was probably assuming that her, Yord, Sol, Jecki and any other remaining Jedi could tag team Qimir. Fleeing from Qimir would've been pointless considering he would've caught up, then killed Yord

[signal kernel]

Youre just glazing then lol

Would you not want her to feel some sort of guilt and strive to redeem the loss of her friend from childhood?

[lime loom]

It was a Canon Event they all had to || Die ||

[keen vortex]

Respect me firstly.

And respect that people disagree with you.

[signal kernel]

That's a reach

[spiral tiger]

I'm sure she's not boutta start breakdancing next episode LMFAOO I'd expect a level of survivor's guilt and remorse there but it doesn't mean it's 100% her fault

[keen vortex]

Your opinion is your opinion.

[signal kernel]

I've said it wasn't her 100% fault 3 times now, can we move on from that?

[spiral tiger]

._.

Dawg what (meant this in response to Goomy)

[keen vortex]

You aren't. Instead you are insulting people's intelligence.

[lime loom]

I think Mae doesn’t cares if Osha lives or die lol

[signal kernel]

Glazing is not an insult?

It's slang for describing a stance, you're taking it negativity

[spiral tiger]

Wild she's out cosplaying as Osha rn planning out more hate crimes and arson🤨

[keen vortex]

And gaslighting

[runic delta]

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[lime loom]

Right and she left her behind again lol

[signal kernel]

How have I made you question your sanity

That's what gas lighting is

[proper python]

Perhaps take a step back

Repeating a variation of the same thing over and over is not helpful.

You stated your opinion, others repsectfully disagreed. Move on.

[signal kernel]

I had to, I've been misquoted on 3 occasions

[lime loom]

I mean Osha did warn Yord and Yord and got cocky so it’s on both of them

[signal kernel]

EXACTLY🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[proper python]

I'm going to stop you right there. Drop it, or I will start handing out mutes.

[lime loom]

Whoa what did bro do

[spiral tiger]

I just know Vern boutta be mad as hell when she hears about what happened😭

cantina music stops

[lime loom]

I’m still waiting for that “Top the Phantom Menace duel” since they been hyping it up a lot.

[proper python]

I will refer you to rule 5.

[signal kernel]

Can you be descriptive so I know

[runic delta]

Code of Conduct - Rule 5

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[lime loom]

If anyone should be muted it should be Mae for not listening to Osha

I still wonder what “Secrets” does Sol have since he can’t be “Trusted” he has a lot of dark side energy in him.

[fallen glen]

I can‘t bring myself to watching the episode a second time.

[keen parrot]

I can’t wait to watch it again, it’s what I expected from this show, a sick villain wiping out his opponents for the evil and atrocious things they’ve done for centuries…

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-jedi-perspective-view-evil-gif-8134859

It’s what Vader’s attack on the Jedi temple should have looked like

[signal kernel]

What exactly have the jedi done for centuries? The OT established a pretty basic concept of good and evil

[keen parrot]

It’s just a joke based on the Return of the Jedi “a certain point of view” conversation

[signal kernel]

That entire sequence from the second obiwan landed is just meme gold

[fallen glen]

Leading up to the Clone Wars the Jedi had become complacent. The main threat they faced while upholding peace and justice were unarmed “civilians” in the Core Worlds. The high body count created by Darth Smiley is perfectly in line with the ST (Qui Gon in TPM and countless Jedi on Geonosis).

[signal kernel]

Complacency isn't the same as a dictatorship that's depicted every time a sith rules the galaxy

[signal kernel]

Qui-gon is a great example. He was willing to let the chosen one stay with his mother despite needing him

That's how morally correct he was. If you swap a sith with qui-gon, in good faith.. its not the same

[lean thunder]

As a sword nerd, Jecki was significantly better TBH.

[keen parrot]

Qui Gon is, in my opinion, the one true Jedi in all of Star Wars, some come close and some completely miss the mark but Qui Gon is the gold standard

[potent helm]

What are you talking about? He wanted to take Anakin and would do anything to do it

[signal kernel]

Slightly right, he wanted to, but still gave anakin a choice.

He never took him, he let it be his decision. Anakin even asks shmi if he can go with them

So no, he wouldn't have done anything

If he said no then that's how it was to play out

[potent helm]

Ah yeah I guess he did ask him

He already knew he'd say yes though

Anyway, that's a bit off topic

[signal kernel]

Maybe, but we're talking about good vs evil

Sith would not have done what the goat did

And correct, GGs!

[lime loom]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-take-funhaus-lawrence-fieri-gif-13071699

Than the TPM??

[lean thunder]

Yeah, what Ray Parks does is a really athletic style of show combat that's really flashy and involves lots of fancy spinning and really hyper-extended strikes. It's not super practical though.

[zealous mauve]

As Ive started doing HEMA longsword, Ive gotten a new appreciation for the OT saber fights as being much more realistic than the fancier PT ones (although the duel of the fates is still the greatest lightsaber fight and I’ll die on that hill)

[lean thunder]

I love that on the Death Star Kenobi is just tapping either side of Vader's saber to be annoying. Those little circles are deeply ingrained muscle memory for me.

[plucky plover]

Really? That's the second most annoying thing that's ever been done in a live-action lightsaber duel, in my opinion. The first is this.

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-obi-wan-light-saber-dumb-gif-15630595

[lean thunder]

Yeah, due to being the kind of nerd I am, I had been fencing for a full two years before I ever saw Star Wars and it's one of the tricks I used to get people to make a mistake.

https://youtu.be/8kpHK4YIwY4?t=47 from here onwards, the little yellow flashes of contact are Kenobi continuing that small circular motion.

[plucky plover]

Ah. That makes more sense. Have you ever seen a behind the scenes video of a lightsaber duel? It kinda looks like they're fencing, except with thicker blades.

[lean thunder]

There's also a lovely little feint as Kenobi backs off after that exchange. It's just a really nice mostly plausible swordfight.

Funnily enough the blades weren't all that much thicker back then.

[plucky plover]

I have the Special Edition original trilogy bonus disc. It has lots of cool behind the scenes stuff on it. I'm not sure how much of it is available under the bonus tab on Disney+. If you want, I can take a short screen capture video of a behind the scenes lightsaber duel, and send it to you.

[keen sparrow]

see I love this. I read this as, they've trained so much together, they can/try to anticipate each others moves but it was like fighting a mirror of yourself

[lean thunder]

I have them at home somewhere, but thank you for the offer.

[arctic cloak]

I’ve always loved that move also for the same reason. Still my favorite lightsaber duel. The build up, fight itself, the emotion, the music… Amazing storytelling imo!

[plucky plover]

Now that you mention that, I see those moves in a whole new light. I think that indeed was the intention of the choreographer.

[keen sparrow]

agreed! DOTF is a classic but it lacks the emotional punch of Mustafar

[keen sparrow]

yeah, it really changes the whole fight IMO

[round sparrow]

I get that that's the intention, but the fact that there's no contact, just spinning, it feels like flash for the sake of flash.

https://x.com/candaceisageek/status/1805986214727557287

Candace Kaw (@candaceisageek) on X

She’s probably glad she wasn’t invited. #TheAcolyte

Twitter · Jun 26, 2024, 3:27 PM

[lean thunder]

It also doesn't read that way to someone who swords. I'd expect both of them to be standing further apart motionless knowing that the first one to move probably dies.

[round sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-maul-obi-wan-kenobi-star-wars-rebels-lightsaber-duel-gif-26089469

[keen sparrow]

well again, we're applying real world expectations to the space magic movie, and like much of the PT, I don't know the execution was 100% spot on

but I do believe what I said was the intent

[lean thunder]

Yeah, that one is chef kiss.

[keen sparrow]

also, a core tenet of Star Wars is "if it looks cool, ship it"

[runic badge]

I think part of that was also Ewan and Hayden’s enthusiasm

[fallen glen]

I had a conversation with Peter Diamond around the time TPM came out. He wasn’t happy with the Duell of the Fates as he thought they were moving too fast. He said iIn the OT, as well as Highlander, they tried to tell a story with the deliberate moves. More drama.

[plucky plover]

If you watch the Rebels Recon for that episode, Dave Filoni says something along these lines:

Obi-Wan and Maul have been dueling each other for a very long time, and they know each other's tendencies. When two people know each other that well and come to a stand off, they can often play the entire duel in their heads based in their opponent's opening pose. Then, when the Duel actually starts, one of them dies after just a few moves. So, it all comes down to who is the better strategist when you know each other that well, not who's the better duelist. That's why Maul lost.

[potent helm]

Maul lost because he didn't change, he didn't adapt. He used the same move in obi-wan as he did when he killed Qui-Gon which obi-wan baited him into.

Obi-wan starts in his usual stance but then changes to old Ben because that's who he is now, and then switched again to Qui-Gon's and you can see Mauls reaction to that thinking he know how to kill him.

[fallen glen]

I”m happy she wasn’t there. At least one who survived. Plus she’s kind of cute. 😊

[arctic cloak]

While I agree I’ll also add that for me personally even if it is just overly flashy I don’t care lol. From the time I was a kid watching 4-6 I always imagined how that first duel went so the whole saga was building to that fight and as we talked about it was just so emotionally charged I was enthralled by the whole thing. Respect anyone else’s viewpoint but I personally love that entire sequence and agree with you that the execution of that duel was perfect

[winged gale]

Yeah, he goes on to talk about the Samurai and how Samurai movies heavily influenced that. We get to see it especially with Baylan and Ahsoka during their show-off the first time. The slow, subtle changing of the opening moves. I know some people thought it was dead air time, but as a fan of Samurai movies, you just know sh*t's about to go down

[keen sparrow]

Oh I’m with you. It lived in my head as I imagined it for years and the reality was even better. I love everything about the fight

[amber cedar]

I particularly liked how they had Baylan fight and costumed in a western style against Ahsoka's Japanese style

[gleaming frost]

Thoughts? We’ve been chatting about this since Yesterday morning

[winged gale]

I mean.... I hope not.

It would be nice to get through a star wars media that didn't have the Skywalker influence

[gleaming frost]

I absolutely hope so!!! A Knights of Ren origin story would be amazing if this was it

[lean thunder]

I would not be unhappy with it. I'd also like to see it be something totally new though.

[gleaming frost]

Even The Stranger’s helmet feels very Knights of Ren (ish)

[amber cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/ren-and-stimpy-stimpy-ren-hoek-stimpson-eyebrow-raise-gif-1562369102146389479

When does Darth Stimpy show up?

[arctic cloak]

Personally I don’t think including the knights of Ren would be any more “Skywalker influence” than what we already have. The knights are just an order of Darkside users. If we go by the idea that it’s Skywalker saga influence because Kylo was their leader in the ST than that logic would apply to anything involving the Jedi given that Luke was once their leader lol

[lean thunder]

Point well made.

[gleaming frost]

Anything Star Wars is a Skywalker influence, regardless if it ties directly to the Skywalker Saga or not

[amber cedar]

and the KoR were never that fleshed out in the movies anyways

[arctic cloak]

Exactly

[lean thunder]

We got a decent amount via Crimson Reign and the Rise of Kylo Ren comics.

[arctic cloak]

Agreed! The force, Jedi/Sith were all created for ANH which began the Skywalker saga.

[gleaming frost]

Right? All we know of is the version of The Ren that led them around 3 ABY. But even he took the mantle from a predecessor

The Stranger(aka-Qimir) is that predecessor

[lean thunder]

To be fair, it appears that version of The Ren lasted for another ~30 years.

Might not have been human at all.

[gleaming frost]

Qimir>>possibly someone else>>TheRen>>Kylo (the possibly someone else all depends if Qimir survives The Acolyte show lol)

Qimir Ren doesn’t quite have the same ring to it as Kylo Ren, but I’ll take it. Lol

[arctic cloak]

Perhaps Ren was the one who trained him, killed by Jedi, and he eventually takes the name for his order? Fun speculating 🙂

[gleaming frost]

Or Ren even has ties somehow to this sect of witches

[arctic cloak]

Could be

[gleaming frost]

My original theory before this one was that Qimir was a third child born fatherless, but have since moved on from that. So still looking for another connection to the witches coven

[winged gale]

Agree to disagree then. There are plenty of stories that don't involve the Skywalker line. Just because Star Wars started with Luke does not mean everything else has to do with them, either.

I understand using plot points to give viewers something to tie-in to, have an emotional attachment to

[hardy sapphire]

Or Ren is the Dread Pirate Roberts

[gleaming frost]

All good man. That’s why I love this Discord cause we all seem to get along while having different views

[gleaming frost]

As you wish… lol

[winged gale]

I'd be down for more fresh takes and new characters instead of tossing in random characters because they can

coughs in KAM

[gleaming frost]

Oh dammit, how did I miss this opportunity. I almost posted the Princess Bride version of this GIF. Lol

[arctic cloak]

I have a talent for taking advantage of perfect gif moments lol

[spiral tiger]

Yeah but it's compliancy that enables dictatorships.
Example: Fall of the New Republic and rise of the First Order

[limpid tinsel]

The end of video 😆
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Star Wars (@starwars) on X

🙁 sorry, #YordHorde

#TheAcolyte is all-new Tuesdays on @DisneyPlus.

Twitter · Jun 27, 2024, 3:30 PM

[runic badge]

I want to hate him for making me like his character all while knowing he dies a horrific death

But I can’t

[winged gale]

I loved Yord. I can't even be mad at how by-the-book tallest-pedestal he was.

[spiral tiger]

Outta everyone I didn't think he'd get washed so soon😭LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

In retrospect it's hilarious

[runic badge]

I said it the other day but they’ve absolutely aced casting on the shows

[spiral tiger]

This this this this this this this this. Was dope seeing KAM again but his appearance was a tiny bit unnecessary. I think it was meant to be more connective for the PT but...there's so many other characters they could've used (or avoided all together)

As much as I love a good cameo, sometimes their appearance can overshadow everything we've seen thus far

[runic badge]

I like the idea that he’s the Jedi’s hubris embodied

[runic badge]

He’s literally been wrong about everything

[spiral tiger]

Him and that forehead🤨

[winged gale]

"We need somebody to be wrong about something. Can we still use KAM for that? "

[spiral tiger]

dok ondar giggling in the shadows

[leaden sundial]

if they had used Yoda instead, no retcon would've been necessary 🤷🏽‍♀️

Mr. 900 something years old

[runic badge]

Or Yaddle

[leaden sundial]

i guess he's like 500 around Acolyte?

[runic badge]

She’s in the HR books, or at least one that I read

But it still feels like this is all going to be a huge debacle for the Jedi, and if I had to choose a future council member to pin it on, I’d choose Mr.Always Wrong

Maybe that was his secret reward, take the blame, and then in 100 or so years when everyone has forgotten, get a seat on the council

[winged gale]

A tale of the Jedi named Yord,
Whose abs were as strong as a board,
With a flick of a wrist
His neck made a twist
And that was the end of the horde.

[spiral tiger]

Even someone like Oppo Rancisis would've worked ngl. He's someone the fans would immediately recognize, yet his presence isn't overstated or overshadowing for the general audience fr

[limpid tinsel]

Lmao. Savage.

[spiral tiger]

Twin we're gonna get u a record deal

Cuz 4+4=8 and twin...u ate

[runic badge]

At least everyone has forgotten about making fun of Torbin’s amazing beard

[runic badge]

I’d buy a Star Wars poetry book

[winged gale]

And now for one about Torbin,
His shield, Force powers absorbin,
After such a long while,
He drank from a vial,
And now he rests in a floor bin.

[leaden sundial]

he does this randomly at home too, just saying

[spiral tiger]

A FLOOR BIN IM CRYINGODOSOAOAOAOAO

[runic badge]

I’m sorry 😝

[spiral tiger]

Max Rebo better stay dangerous fr twin's coming for his throne!

[runic badge]

Kelnacca will be tough

[spiral tiger]

Uh my name is Kelnacca
It sounds like Sokka
Get out me swamp
While I chill in my Rocka (rocking chair)

Well chat🤭did I eat or did I eat?

[leaden sundial]

i know we haven't seen a lot of Kelnacca but now i imagine him with Sokka's attitude xD

https://tenor.com/view/cactus-juice-sokka-avatar-avatar-the-last-airbender-sokka-cactus-juice-gif-25787006

[hollow talon]

It will be a debacle, but I’m uncertain what level of debacle it is going to be remembered as.
It may end up getting documented as a debacle of sad but ultimately minor proportions.
Especially if the Jedi Order is able to conclude with “and the threat has now been neutralized, it’s all over, nothing to see here”.

[winged gale]

As for the Wookie Kelnacca,
Did his best to be not a Bakka,
Two-sliced in his chest,
Before coming to rest,
Thought "I should have just stayed out on Bracca."

Yeah that was tough

[round sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/marrok-ahsoka-marrok-death-gif-689715187309946727

Marrok's death came straight out of a samurai film

[random pier]

Kelnacca the wookiee felt guilt
So a hermitage in the forest he built
With spirals all over the wall
Before Qimir did he then fall
Burning saber, so no blood was spilt

[gleaming frost]

Really would’ve preferred Amazon but can’t find it there

[jolly hill]

I ordered mine too 😁

I did Pulse

[gleaming frost]

Here’s the link for anybody

https://www.entertainmentearth.com/product/star-wars-the-black-series-the-stranger-premium-electronic-helmet/hsg0705

[plucky plover]

Does it count as a death, though? Wasn't he already dead? I thought he was a Nightsister zombie. I thought that's why the spirit-looking stuff sprayed out of the hole Ahsoka sliced in him.

[leaden sundial]

i think he means the general cinematography and blocking of the scene is very samurai movie-ish.

[plucky plover]

Okay. But still. I've never been 100% clear on whether he was a zombie or not. Can someone answer that?

[leaden sundial]

we have no idea yet haha is he technically a ghost or zombie or golem or spirit

[amber cedar]

They ever confirmed it, but some kind of NS zombie is a safe bet, and there's precedence in canon for tha kinda thing

[plucky plover]

Speaking of which, I think Thrawn's cargo is preserved bodies (most likely of good warriors) for the Nightsisters to zombify.

[proper python]

Ahsoka theories can go in #1097621732371746836

[round sparrow]

https://x.com/theacolytealex/status/1806350212232822980

alex | jecki jam ˖⁺ ‧₊˚ (@theacolytealex) on X

I GOT MY PACKAGE FROM @starwars HELP 😭😭 i GUESS this will make up for the tears you’ve caused me 😪 #jeckijam FOREVER!

Twitter · Jun 27, 2024, 3:33 PM

RUDE

[proper python]

hahahahaha

they are trolling IRL

[keen vortex]

Should I be concerned that Smilo Ren never scared me?

My self preservation may be faulty.

[leaden sundial]

i'm no Jedi. i wouldn't have even been there, so sometimes i'm like "Dang, that sucks. what a problem for you guys." 😂

[lean thunder]

You may have installed it backwards. Seems like it's stuck on reverse :v

[round sparrow]

Have you tried turning it off and back on again?

[hollow talon]

I also came across this screenshot. 😅

[potent helm]

No, he's not a great villain

[random pier]

No, because he is make-believe.

[keen vortex]

I do agree that it's probably because I'm not his prey.

I think he's excellent.

https://tenor.com/view/the-master-the-acolyte-star-wars-dark-side-force-wielder-gif-9298796878341504695

Ugh I hate it when I'm scrolling through gifs and discord is like this one right?

[spiral tiger]

I find him less scary and more disconcerting. His unpredictability is what drives this for me

[winged gale]

100% It's more his aloof attitude and uncaring nature. Gotta love wanton carnage

[keen vortex]

Was it though?

Or was it self preservation?

[spiral tiger]

THISSSS THIS THIS. The fact that he was holding back is even more unsettling😭

[keen vortex]

He says he felt he had to kill them all because they discovered him.

[winged gale]

Yeah, he looked bored. And that whole "Hello!" moment 😄

[keen vortex]

He had fun with Jecki. It was cute until... he killed her.

Left her alive the first time.

[spiral tiger]

He seemed pretty impressed with Jecki. She put up a good fight compared to the other cannon fodder

[spiral tiger]

A mix of both, but I think he thoroughly enjoyed cutting the Jedi down. There's gotta be a level of sadism there

[keen vortex]

I definitely think the Jecki kill was self defense. He was working. She was so good.

[winged gale]

It just "felt" like at no point did Qimir consider any of them an actual threat. Sol didn't even seem to give him trouble.

[keen vortex]

True

[spiral tiger]

Qimir's definitely pretty powerful. I know other factors may be at play, but him being able to cut down multiple Jedi Knights in the span of approx. five minutes is telling

[keen vortex]

I often need @jade grail to be my guide.

[keen sparrow]

telling perhaps that the Jedi have not faced a threat like this in a long time, and as such have gotten complacent

[keen vortex]

Rolled up newspaper in hand.

"He is terrible. No, Dee."

[spiral tiger]

Definitely a big factor. Even Yord mentioned that Qimir "doesn't follow the rules of combat"

As if there are rules of combat. There's no civility in the darkside

[keen sparrow]

right. like it shocked Yord in a way that reminded me reading about the Continental Army using guerrilla warfare

[spiral tiger]

The usage of unconventional methods is masssssive. It's pretty humbling for the Jedi, especially for a by-the-book Jedi like Yord. I think a catalyst to his own downfall is him expecting that the rest of the galaxy plays by the same rulebook

[amber cedar]

One interesting thing I noticed right around that scene is that when things got bad, Sol and Yord swtiched over to more of a traditional military demeanor. short, direct language, no time to talk we've got orders etc. Even in the clone wars the jedi seemed a bit more aloof vs. the clones

[spiral tiger]

Yeah it's a great way to establish a semblance of order within chaotic situations

[signal kernel]

??????

[spiral tiger]

wut

[signal kernel]

What are you even trying to say

[spiral tiger]

The Jedi were far too complacent up until the clone wars. Such complacency indirectly enabled the Sith to rise to power. The Jedi swept things under the rug, discredited reports of the Sith, and engaged in historical negations. They didn't entirely believe (then again, they didn't have much of a chance) the Sith were no longer extinct until it was literally marched into their temple

[signal kernel]

Being complacent doesn't = evil

[spiral tiger]

Nah but it's certainly a breeding ground for it

[signal kernel]

We were talking about how the jedi aren't evil that's all

They enabled the actual evil people of the galaxy by mistake yeah, but that's like saying sol is evil for not killing smiley

[spiral tiger]

I wouldn't say Sol is evil, but him choosing not to kill Qimir was extremely irresponsible

[signal kernel]

Right then we agree

[keen vortex]

Qimir is evil because he kills but Sol is evil because he doesn't?

[left saffron]

@jolly hill I almost accidentally posted in pets that if I see Jasmine doing an arm workout I’m gonna run for it. 🤣 I think she would be Darth Finger Knives though. Her teefers are kinda small and not so plentiful.

[signal kernel]

Thankfully no one believes that

[round sparrow]

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

[jolly hill]

😂

[lean thunder]

Yord learned fast though.

[arctic cloak]

I don’t think it’s that simple. They more than just enabled it by giving in to their own arrogance and corruption. They had really lost their way by the end of the Clone Wars sanctioning things like assassination that led to one of their own masters turning to the darkside and engaging in genocide alongside Dooku. Were they “evil” probably not but it’s much less black and white.

[spiral tiger]

Man with all this wild sith happening, I wonder what Geode thinks at a time like this😭What Would Geode Do, if you will

[signal kernel]

Not really... last I checked the jedi never sucked the life force out of planets, blew up planets just as an interrogation tactic, corrupt policing for the sole purpose of getting new slaves to throw in internment camps to build the death star, never once declaring " to rule the galaxy ". I can keep going

Seems pretty black and white who the good and bad people should be

It's literally supposed to be this black and white

[spiral tiger]

My Brother in the Force, this ain't the villain olympics😭

[spiral tiger]

The Jedi may not have actively engaged in those things, but their complacency and arrogance enabled it. Them not taking the rising threat of the Sith seriously further enabled Palpy keep pushing the limits of his consolidation of power and political maneuvering. An example from our galaxy being the Allied Forces' appeasement and complacency towards the rising Third Reich

[round sparrow]

Mace Windu straight up proposed a coup.

[arctic cloak]

Star Wars has never been clear cut black and white so i respectfully disagree with this because as a wise Jedi once taught us

[proper python]

That guy was just trying to validate his lies 😉

[round sparrow]

Yes, but he wasn't exactly wrong either lol

[proper python]

He told partial truths in a misleading manner, knowing exactly what Luke would believe based on his words

[arctic cloak]

And convinced the council to sanction cold blooded murder that resulted in another master falling to the darkside and helping Dooku to murder more Jedi, clones, and innocents. The intentions don’t justify the results especially when the initial action went way against the Jedi code.

@proper python as you can see I finally got around to reading Dark Disciple which further validated my opinion on Mace lol

[arctic cloak]

Sounds kinda similar to what a Sith like Palpatine might do 😉

[spiral tiger]

As a professional Jedi Apologist, I partly see nothing wrong with this. If anything I was glad that the Jedi were finally willing to put their beliefs aside for the greater good. Up until that point, both sides were getting slaughtered, fighting a pointless war that neither side assumed had any foreseeable end. On paper the coup is pretty wild. But they were running outta options, time, and resources. Despite their efforts, the causality rates continued to climb

[amber cedar]

Dark Disciple is among my favorites now since it was so good at looking at things from a different perspective

[proper python]

Obi-Wan is a more attractive Palpatine in his ability to manipulate the truth for his own ends. Definitely. He's got a lot to learn about actually dealing with one's enemies tho.

[signal kernel]

It has always been good vs evil. It's black and white because it was man for children

In 40 years or 1k years of in universe stories there's been MAYBE 15 jedi that were evil and truly corrupt on purpose

Imagine a show that actually makes the avengers the oppressors, yeah doesn't work.

Mistakes by the jedi are not equal to blowing up planets or using slaves

Can anyone remind me when the jedi ripped off nazi Germany with that speech by hux in the force awakens?

[proper python]

So I take it you've never read Injustice lol

It takes the DC superheroes and makes them the villains, and is incredible

There's room for nuance in Star Wars

[arctic cloak]

It’s “always the greater good” but in that pursuit and going against their code they only made it worse. They gave in to fear and we all know where that leads. Again I’m not saying they’re evil I’m just saying it’s more complicated than just good side bad side, otherwise it wouldn’t be as interesting imo

[round sparrow]

Ki Adi Mundi: "If the Chancellor does not give up his powers willingly, he should be removed from office."
Mace Windu: "The Jedi would have to take control of the Senate in order to secure a peaceful transition."

[keen parrot]

Let’s ask this, did Darth Vader save Luke to save his son and the galaxy from the emperor, or did he kill his master in Sith tradition to take Luke as his apprentice and continue the Empire’s rule? Grey area…

[lean thunder]

It's called "The Boys" and it's doing real well on Amazon right now.

[signal kernel]

Very good show

[spiral tiger]

Very very true! (I'm on the Jedi's payroll so I gotta stand-up for them fr)

[round sparrow]

The Jedi were planning a coup before they even knew Palpatine was a Sith Lord. In retrospect, that is scary.

[spare crane]

the jedi mind trick can be seen as questionable...

[spiral tiger]

I mean...imagine if their coup worked🤠I know Palpy wouldn't have allowed it but...

[spiral tiger]

As much as I'd hope it was the former, I know deep down that it was really the latter😔

[round sparrow]

Poor Boss Nass didn't have a chance lol

[keen vortex]

Enby of my heart.

That line is going in the books.

[proper python]

Star Wars is nearly 50 years old. The OT was an analogy for the Vietnam War. The PT provided commentary on the less overt-but-just-as-impactful politicking and trade disputes of the '90s. The ST examines the resurgance of fascism around the world in the 2010s. The stories change and evolve as the world changes and evolves.

[spare crane]

Jedi also dont deal with absolutes, which is what black and white is...

[arctic cloak]

In essence Palpatine telling Anakin that the Jedi are taking over was true

[proper python]

*Enby but 💜💜💜

[keen vortex]

Noted!

[keen parrot]

I know Obi wan says that to Vader but yoda does say do or do not there is no try, that sounds like absolute, it’s always bothered me a little

[spare crane]

there's contractions, yes.

[keen vortex]

Half truths are still lies. Saying you'll do something then not doing it is a lie. Obi Wan is a liar. But he is very enjoyable.

[signal kernel]

This has to be satire

[keen parrot]

It just furthers the point Star Wars has a lot of grey areas

[keen vortex]

I think this was less of an absolute more of an it happens or it doesn't.

[proper python]

Yoda doesn't use contractions 😇😇😇

[spare crane]

From a certain point of view everyone can bee(be) seen as good or evil.

[spiral tiger]

Ooh good point but the context matters. Luke was on the fence with almost everything, continually giving Yoda a hard time. It's hard to teach someone who isn't willing to learn or who's questioning every single thing. Luke needed that ultimatum

[keen parrot]

Fair point

[keen vortex]

giggling like a fiend

[spare crane]

there some stuff about The Jedi being part of the enslavement of the Kaleesh people, but i haven't read much of it. nor know if it's canon anymore.

[spiral tiger]

Even with that, Yoda still wasn't totally sold on Luke. Imagine Yoda, probably the chillest Jedi in history, finding you insufferable 😭
I still think the "there is another" convo is hilarious cuz Luke must've been working Yoda's last nerve

[round sparrow]

Hot take: Anakin didn't kill Palpatine to fulfill a prophecy. He did it to save his son. That was the emotional crux of Return of the Jedi, and the entire notion of a prophecy and a "Chosen One" is one of the poorest decisions George Lucas made.

[spiral tiger]

I know I sound like a broken record but the chosen one prophecy makes more sense when interpreted as:

The Force chooses whomever it needs at that specific point in time. There've been thousands of chosen ones prior to Anakin, and they'll be thousands more after him

[signal kernel]

That's not correct at all

[spiral tiger]

Search your feelings Goomy, you know it to be true

[signal kernel]

Wait lemme find it heh

[spiral tiger]

My Brother in the Force

[spare crane]

There doesn’t always have to be a winner

[signal kernel]

LOL

[lean thunder]

I think George made plenty of bad decisions, but I kind of like the idea of "the chosen one" as an example of how the Jedi were just flat out wrong about stuff.

[spiral tiger]

Even most Jedi didn't put too much weight in their own mystic prophecies. It's hilarious because some may have thought Qui-Gon was some crazed conspiracy theorist🤣

[spiral tiger]

youbroughthimheretokILLME👺

[signal kernel]

Best time ever for ROTS is a drinking game of memes. My god is that fight a killer

[spiral tiger]

Oh the duel is amazing but it's got some competition! The Jecki vs Qimir duel was somethin seeeeerrrioooous😭

[keen vortex]

Qimir's swings ❤️

Then we got hand to hand too with Sol.

So good.

[signal kernel]

Don't understand the power scaling of it but damn was it good

[spiral tiger]

Wym bro

[signal kernel]

A padawan out classing multiple jedi knights and masters makes zero sense

If it was stated that jecki was the goated then I'd be easy on it, just came off as main character vibes

[spiral tiger]

Side Point: it would've been wild if Bazil was Smiley🤣starts talking like Nibbler from Futurama

[signal kernel]

I was waiting for bazil to pull out the 9 lmfao

[green wedge]

Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon vs Maul, there's your powerscaling padawan was more powerful than master

[spiral tiger]

Think of it this way: With the sith being presumed extinct, the chances of having a proper spar with another lightsaber-wielder is pretty low. Sure the Jedi may have sparred in training, but it's mentioned in the Rising Storm that lightsaber dueling has become more of a tradition rather than a commonality. That and there's a maaaassssive difference between a fun little practice spar vs. fighting for your f***ing life. All of the Jedi we saw was used to the former, only a few had experienced the latter

[signal kernel]

Attitude please. Thanks

[runic badge]

The force/being Jedi isn’t a video game where you gain XP and levels, it’s like being a professional athlete. Lots of training and work, but sometimes a young kid shows up with way more potential than others

[green wedge]

All I did was drop an example

[spiral tiger]

Most of the Jedi were assumingely caught off guard by Qimir's ferocity. Jecki had more of a chance to get her bearings. And she's prolly just an innately an incredible duelist

[green wedge]

Another example would be Anakin vs Dooku (both times)

[signal kernel]

It's offensive how you said it

[arctic cloak]

I was about to mention that but I wonder if Dooku went easy on Anakin given the Siths plans for him…

[spiral tiger]

I WAS JUST ABOUT TO TYPE THIS LMFAOOOO

[spare crane]

Everyone calm down. I can go through this thread and find everyone with a little bit of “Attitude”

[arctic cloak]

Great minds lol

[green wedge]

That's likely true as well but not sure Dooku knew anything about Anakin at that point

Judging by his reaction to Palpatine when he said

[arctic cloak]

At the end he said to palps something along the lines of “the boy has started to turn”

[green wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-star-wars-emperor-do-it-go-for-it-gif-17446081

[green wedge]

Oh truuue

[spiral tiger]

WHAT DOES GEODE THINK AT A TIME LIKE THIS

[green wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/uncle-scrooge-mcduck-money-rich-gif-16106896517431601354

[arctic cloak]

In the novelization of 3 something was said like he was still hoping to turn Obi Wan into his apprentice while Palps would have Anakin. Like a new interpretation of the rule of 2

So he was not expecting Palps to turn on him

[green wedge]

I remember that stuff now that you mention it, been a while since reading the books

Honestly think Dooku thought he'd be able to overthrow Palps especially if had the help of someone like Qui-Gon or later Obi

[arctic cloak]

Given TotJ I think there was some truth in his statement to Obi Wan in 2 about working together to overthrow Sidious but we’re going off topic now lol

[green wedge]

True true lol

such a good anthology too... really made you feel bad for Dooku

[spiral tiger]

There definitely was! But both would've wanted it for different reasons fr

[spiral tiger]

It really highlights just how parasitic the darkside is. It's like slowly being possessed

[green wedge]

Jecki gave me the sense she was probably one of the more saber skilled out of the bunch

Ooooh she's the same species as one of the backing singers in Jabba's Palace

[round sparrow]

My headcanon as to why Jecki was so proficient with lightsabers: She wanted to show up Yord in some way, so she had been studying every lightsaber form in the books.

[green wedge]

As many were joking about, I def saw Yord as the jock type so honestly to have her be the more skillful one tracks lol

[runic badge]

He definitely seemed too obsessed with small details to have fully mastered things that just came more naturally to Jecki

Like, he’s ironing his robe, she’s practicing saber technique

[green wedge]

I don't remember those lyrics in Sk8er Boi

[round sparrow]

You know, I wonder if Yord would've even understood Kelnacca since he decided not to learn Shryyywook.

[runic badge]

I’m guessing he wouldn’t have

I’d bet he wouldn’t have been able to dual wield sabers anywhere near like what Jecki did

She obviously had some training in that

Yord probably would have been like “I elected to take the saber staff training class, cause it’s so much more special, just like my second language”

[hollow talon]

Probably not.
But Yord implied it was a language frequently picked by other Jedi to learn, so one of the other Jedi on the mission likely could have understood Kelnacca.

If they weren’t all dead of course.

[green wedge]

Someone posted a meme saying "best episode of undercover boss ever" 😂

[random pier]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-matt-radar-technician-adam-driver-gif-14102051

[spiral tiger]

This is absolutely hilarious the more I think about it

[stray star]

Good episode

[spiral tiger]

Him just baaaarely scrapping by, arguably cosplaying as a Jedi Knight certainly contributed to his demise. It hurts realizing you aren't who you think you are. It stings knowing that others realize that about you too

[jade grail]

HEY LOOK EVERYONE, A COOL POSTER.

[round sparrow]

We need lightsabers from this show, dang it!

SO GOOD

[keen vortex]

Ooo the glove

The jedi hiding something

The blue circle on the sith side looks like an eye wide open.

[runic badge]

Looks like the silhouette of someone wearing a hood/cloak on the left side

[jade grail]

👀

[keen vortex]

Awww

I'm happy he got a role where he doesn't have to be the comedic relief.

And omg he's so good too!

[stray star]

Has anyone addressed the fact Osha shot the sith master with a blaster and it just repelled off of him??

[jade grail]

The stun blaster thing?

P sure he did the force block thingy thing..

[runic badge]

I’m fairly sure it was the cortosis

It shorts out lightsabers and absorbs energy bolts

[keen vortex]

He also had what I assume is armor on his back (the silver X). Someone on twitter mentioned it may be something that dissipates energy. Or reveals armor under his clothes.

Whatever did it, it was pretty cool!

[round sparrow]

I havent checked but I heard the star wars website confirmed the helmet was cortosis

[keen vortex]

I don't think I've said anything against Qimir so to be fair, I will admit that I'm so disappointed that he wanted to kill Mae.

It hurts my heart.

I think I'm just sensitive to people throwing other people away like they meant nothing.

[round sparrow]

Unfortunately that's the way of the Sith... though given how it ended, it seems he does have some use for keeping Mae around

Really the only reason he was going to kill her/anyone else was because of her change of heart. Have to keep the Sith secret (though questions are now raised since he told Sol so ?)

[signal kernel]

Is this referring to smiley? I don't know his name

[round sparrow]

Yep - character's name is Qimir

darth title, if any, is yet to be revealed to my knowledge

[signal kernel]

He has actual talent

So good in ep 5

[round sparrow]

He's probably my fav actor/character in The Acolyte so far, up there with Sol

[keen vortex]

Qimir was the character that pulled me in since episode 2.

[signal kernel]

Qimir the final big baddie we think or no? Apprentice vibes?

[round sparrow]

Definitely leaning toward apprentice. Not sure if they'd retcon a pre-existing Sith Lord's species to be human instead or just throw in an additional character into the history of the Sith, however

Or even if he is in the "proper" lineage of Sith as opposed to just kinda learning about them and doing his own thing

[signal kernel]

They have no problem retconning, I just think we haven't seen the last of koril!

[lime loom]

Mommy Maul is definitely plotting something big I think, maybe she helping Darth Smiley.

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-luke-skywalker-no-ones-ever-really-gone-mark-hamill-the-last-jedi-gif-26010275

Since this is Disney Star Wars after all

She’s definitely alive still

[stray star]

Yes that, I wasn’t sure if he was able to do that without his hands though?

[stray star]

Ohhhh on his armor?

[green wedge]

Honestly don't think a single witch is still alive other than the twins, much as people love to think everyone just gets brought back to life, people do still remain deceased in "Disney Star Wars".

[lime loom]

No it’s his Armor actually that did that

[stray star]

Thank u for this

Got it thanks you

Makes sense now lol! I loved this episode but the others we don’t need to talk about lolz

[lime loom]

He has Lvl Max armor

[stray star]

Makes sense

He is insanely powerful

[runic badge]

It’s a super rare/difficult to work metal but it’s got those unique properties

[stray star]

Killing 5 Jedi in one battle and surviving is wild. Although he could’ve been killed

[stray star]

Oh really? Has it shown up in books before

[runic badge]

It was big in the old legends books, but also shows up in the new Thrawn books

[stray star]

Okay dope thanks

My reading knowledge isn’t too great to my watching knowledge sadly

[runic badge]

lol between all the different formats it would be tough to know everything

[stray star]

Lollll ya fs

[runic badge]

I just grew up reading the old legends books, so I instantly recognised it lol

[stray star]

Oh fr that’s dope, nice to make a SW connection no matter the source

[runic badge]

Yeah, I was psyched to see it in live action

[stray star]

Fs

[runic badge]

Especially when using it perfectly like Qimir did

[stray star]

Ya haha. I hope most fans think Qimirs character is badass

Because after this episode I thought it was a cool introduction

[onyx plover]

I thought this was one of the better episodes thus far

really enjoyed the battle scenes

[stray star]

Definitely!

[round sparrow]

That's not funny

[hollow talon]

https://x.com/isob_ell/status/1806300066220572985?s=46&t=IItPmx-4WSwYiaHXaAPcqQ

bel ✰ (@isob_ell) on X

he’s fine guys #TheAcolyte #YordHorde (the acolyte spoilers (?))

Twitter · Jun 27, 2024, 12:14 PM

[lean thunder]

The Zayne Carrick method.

Block a lightsaber hit with your arm, and then punch the confused Jedi in the face.

[round sparrow]

https://x.com/StarWars0nly/status/1806450630107508991

Star Wars Only (@StarWars0nly) on X

Manny Jacinto (The Stranger) training for #TheAcolyte EP 5 🔥

Twitter · Jun 27, 2024, 10:12 PM

It's almost like watching the BTS stuff of Ewan and Hayden

[hollow talon]

It is very much like that.

People with a talent and love for choreographed fighting, working their backsides off to practice the choreographed fighting, and making the finished product look awesome.

[hollow talon]

The lightsaber headbutt may be one of my favorite things now.

[spare crane]

yes

[runic badge]

His cortosis vambrace was great too, imagine a mandalorian using one of those

They would absolutely wreck Jedi

I really hope they eventually explain how the Sith didn’t have any by the time of TPM, cause it’s just a game breaking material

[random pier]

But imagine missing the headbutt and it goes right into your shoulder. Lol

[jolly hill]

I’m in love with him using all his armor to block. That head block is definitely my favorite.

[jolly hill]

That’s why it looks wizard! 😂

[runic badge]

And why you have full beskar armor everywhere else lol

But there’s a number of times where Mando blocked a Darksaber attack with his forearm

[jolly hill]

And it was beautiful too

[runic badge]

Heck Sol wears hand/forearm armor too it looks like, but they’d never use cortosis I bet, and who knows how relations are with Mandalore at that point

But the Jedi obviously hadn’t seen it before cause they had no idea why their sabers were shorting out

If only the Jedi had read the Thrawn books…

[lean thunder]

Same. I saw that coming and was like "noooo, they're going to do the reveal with the mask getting split?" and then was so amazed.

[lean thunder]

If you haven't, you really need to read the old Knights of the Old Republic comics.

[runic badge]

You can really see why the interview posted where he jokes about Charlie and Daphne getting to play with lightsabers and he didn’t, he didn’t like ever look at the camera. He was probably having a tough time keeping a straight face lol

[runic badge]

I’m guessing that scenario played out? Possibly where I got the idea from lol

I didn’t ever read the comics though just the books

[lean thunder]

The main character is a Jedi who is described as "marginal". He's been given cortosis armguards so he doesn't hurt himself.

Then stuff happens and it gets really interesting.

[round sparrow]

I believe it's supposed to be rare and even harder to work with than beskar. Hence why he only has a helmet and a single vambrace.

[lean thunder]

It's difficult to work with pure cortosis and normally it gets woven into stuff like vibroblades or armour, and still gives good protection then. It's only in the pure form that it completely disables a saber.

[fallen glen]

Beskar, cortosis, adamantium and vibranium go into a bar…

[lean thunder]

Phrik feels left out.

[fallen glen]

Whoa, had to google that one.

[dusky lark]

..against a Sith.

[round sparrow]

When the coup was proposed, that wasn't known to them.

[dusky lark]

I think, for the writers, going through the minefield of trying to reference some lesser known parts of the starwars universe and picking out bits to add to the live action series, Cortosis being a good example, without triggering a certain aspect of the 'fan base' must be very stressful.

[amber cedar]

They described it in some detail in Thrawn: Alliances - i'll have to re-read that section, ||they visit a planet where the raw material is being mined and is being applied to battle droids' armor||

[winged gale]

Also Ysalamir, those little lizard dudes that can repel the Force by creating a Force-neutral bubble. Not a metal, but still pretty cool

[dusky lark]

Anankin told Mace BEFORE they went to arrest Sidious.

[round sparrow]

Before Anakin knew:
Ki Adi Mundi: "If the chancellor doesn't give up his emergency powers, then he should be removed from office."
Mace Windu: "The Jedi would have to take control of the Senate to secure a peaceful transition."
Also, Mace was already on his way with three other masters to boot Palpatine out before Anakin told him.

[lean thunder]

That's in the weird zone of it being a coup to prevent a coup.

[winged gale]

"We're on our way to make sure the chancellor returns emergency powers to the senate"

Is the exact Mace quote. I don't think they're taking control of it

[round sparrow]

Kinda, but that's Ki Adi and Mace for you.

[dusky lark]

I wonder if given the chance he would have said 'If you had just left me alone I wouldn't have killed billions....'

[lean thunder]

I am restraining my IRL politics brain so hard right now and I would like a medal for it plz.

Thank you both.

[round sparrow]

Top 5 Worst Jedi
5) Ki Adi Mundi
4) Mace Windu
3) Barris Offee
2) Anakin Skywalker

1. Pong Krell

Ymmv lol

[fallen glen]

Wow, Pong Krell before Anakin?

[lean thunder]

I feel like Anakin and Barris should both get points for course corrections, no matter how late.

[dusky lark]

The force is a lot more 'forgiving' than I am... I think Anakin got off lightly for the masses of mass murders

[lean thunder]

Point.

[round sparrow]

That's why Anakin's not #1

[round sparrow]

All my homies say f[QUACK] Pong Krell

[dusky lark]

I would like to see The Stranger fight Vader though... love to see Vader just wreck him wihtout making any real effort to do it. Force choke drag into the hand, stab and it's over.

[round sparrow]

After that bts clip, I'd love to see Manny and Hayden just go at it

[lean thunder]

I'm really impressed with Manny as a physical actor now.

I already loved him as a comic actor, but dude can move.

[keen vortex]

https://fixupx.com/Hissterically/status/1806674180915528025?

Aw it doesn't post the side by side gifs

[lean thunder]

Does FXTwitter do it?

[keen vortex]

The other one is Erik covering Christine.

I also love Erik. And have issues in my taste obviously.

[spiral tiger]

ALL THE HOMIES HATE PONG KRELL 👺

[spiral tiger]

...idk bestie...terrorism, genocides and war crimes ain't rlly doin em any favors...

[round sparrow]

Yes, but unlike Pong Krell, Anakin and Barris felt bad about it later.

[spiral tiger]

A part of me always wondered if Barris would've felt anything if she didn't get caught ngl

[round sparrow]

Hard to say. Being stuck in a cell that faced the burning Jedi Temple wasn't great.

[lean thunder]

Imma just admire my medal.

[runic badge]

Pong-Krell would have made an awesome Sith, I want his sabers as a legacy some day

[jolly hill]

I feel that the bot should react with this emoji 🤢 every time Pong-Krell is mentioned 😂

[round sparrow]

https://x.com/sw_holocron/status/1806391710580342794

Star Wars Holocron (@sw_holocron) on X

So this is why the Jedi advised that we don’t form attachments 😭

#RIPYord #RIPJecki #YordHordeForever

Twitter · Jun 27, 2024, 6:18 PM

[jolly hill]

I’m no Jedi! 😭

[round sparrow]

Saaaaame. I'm still upset.

[keen vortex]

It would be neat to see where she ended up.

But she got great fights.

Poor Yord on the other hand...

[fallen glen]

One thing is bugging me though. They just left the bodies behind in the woods. No funeral, nothing.

[round sparrow]

Kinda hard to drag 8 bodies by oneself.

[fallen glen]

Yes, but at least get them inside, arrange them… I don’t know, not just let them lie where they fell.

[keen vortex]

The killer was still out there too.

[fallen glen]

I would never have left Jecki. I would have carried her through the jungle… 😢

[spare crane]

the real killer was the friends we made along the way...

[round sparrow]

This.

[spiral tiger]

They could've made a pyre but...we know what happened last time [insert theorized fire starter] started a fire...

Would've been a little too on the nose if Mae (cosplaying as Osha) started one smh

[round sparrow]

Unfortunately, in an emergency there isn't always enough time to do that kind of thing. Plus Sol wasn't exactly thinking clearly.

Also! Tons of Jedi bodies left behind on Geonosis.

[spiral tiger]

Sol: We should get a pyre going to remember the homies
Mae (cosplaying as Osha): ahh you read my mind!🤠
Sol: wait how'd you do that so fas-...

[plucky plover]

Twice!

[proper python]

Also: They're Jedi. They show respect to the dead but also know that the body isn't the person. And in that situation, they needed to leave quickly so they can warn the rest of the Jedi. Staying to arrange/bury them would show attachment to them on top of being not a great idea.

[plucky plover]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-clone-wars-spaceships-gif-16294755

[round sparrow]

Oh and who knows how many Jedi bodies left behind on Malachor.

[plucky plover]

Crispy fried Jedi? 🍗 😆

[keen vortex]

Bodies stay where you leave them... sometimes.

They can come back later to pick them up.

[round sparrow]

Or retrieve their sabers if the jungle claimed the bodies.

[keen vortex]

I like to think I could go pack up the fallen and if Qimir came back just wave him off.

"Not right now."

Go play with train your Osha.

Behold my most popular tweet in ten years.
https://x.com/SeaNWoodElf/status/1806173279595774176?t=CZl_M2YZDSIBrltTBlI-pw&s=19

Creepy Doll Dee (@SeaNWoodElf) on X

@malewife_saber I do think he was legitimately impressed by her and was having fun. Which was nice to see.

Twitter · Jun 27, 2024, 3:50 AM

[lean thunder]

Makes you wonder with what has happened with The Nameless if they were involved in Malachor.

[keen vortex]

This move was my point of no return.

I already loved him before "arms" but the headbutting a lightsaber sealed it.

We are how many hours past Tuesday night. And I am still fixated.

[potent helm]

I thought it was ridiculous

[spare crane]

I thought it was baddass

[keen vortex]

If it didn't work, sure.

Imagine doing it and oops you're dead.

My fella here uses all his tools.

He's resourceful. Quick on his feet. Uses his head.

Still gonna yell at him for threatening to kill Mae. Points for him not doing it though. He had many opportunities. We don't throw away those we held near, Qimir!

Yes she left, so win her back you turd.

Men these days (100 years prior to a long, long time ago).

[civic hollow]

You're a I thought it was ridiculous

[lime loom]

Vader would wipe the floor with that dude lmao

[round sparrow]

I mean...the Sith do.

https://tenor.com/view/sidious-there-is-no-mercy-star-wars-clone-wars-darth-sidious-chancellor-palpatine-there-is-no-mercy-gif-22048839

[runic badge]

I think there’s a scene in the comics, either old legends or maybe one that’s still canon, but someone goes after Vader with a cortosis alloy sword. They successfully deactivate his saber and are like “hah, what will you do now?” and Vader force snaps their neck

Gotta take advantage of that momentary surprise like Qimir lol

[lime loom]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-skywalker-gif-20172769

Damnn right

Even without his saber or the force Vader is still a big black 6’ 4 Terminator

[lean thunder]

The person fighting him there looks rather small too.

[runic badge]

In the full 2nd page there’s another person or two with her, one of which manages to cut off Vader’s hand. But Vader still wins in the end

[hollow talon]

While I agree Darth Vader would win in a fight against The Stranger, that doesn’t accurately measure how powerful The Stranger is because pretty much everyone in the Galaxy Far Far Away would get thrashed by Darth Vader.
Obviously there are several exceptions, but those exceptions just prove the rule, because they all have mitigating circumstances (environmental factors, emotional connection) for why Vader didn’t utterly destroy them.
Darth Vader being able to beat a character in combat is not a real measure of that character’s capability or toughness. 😅

[potent helm]

meanwhile wannabe sith guy fends off 8 Jedi without a scratch 🙄

[hollow talon]

Yord offers a pretty solid explanation for why that happened.

[runic badge]

Qimir exploits that moment of surprise, and Yord even says it that he “doesn’t follow the rules of combat”, so they were expecting him to like…not kill them

[potent helm]

that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, they expected him to not kill them. LMAO

[runic badge]

Not saying it was smart

[potent helm]

if that's the case that's horrendeously bad writing

[runic badge]

But they obviously hadn’t fought anyone outside of sparring

[round sparrow]

The Jedi have existed in a time of peace. Why would they expect someone to fight dirty and screw with their minds.

[potent helm]

that's like saying they expected to not get shot in the face with a blaster by a bad guy

[round sparrow]

Also, his vambrace stopped them from landing a hit.

AND AND

If you pay attention to how vicious he gets when the mask is knocked off, you can tell he was holding back before anyway.

[lime loom]

True but its Darth Vader we’re talking about The Darth Vader Space Genocidal Menace here lol

[hollow talon]

Ok so building a foundation of the Jedi being unprepared for and unaware of the resurgence of the Sith (as they were in the Prequels) is scribbles on notepad bad writing. Somehow. Got it.

[potent helm]

It makes them look so incompetent, it's like fighting children, something Vader is also good at

[lime loom]

Welll that’s something called Plot Armor there (He literally wore it)

[hollow talon]

So you agree that there’s a precedent for Sith Lords (like Vader) to be very good at taking out Jedi.

[potent helm]

If that's the intention then these are the most pathetic group of Jedi ever. The only two with any skills at all were Jecki and Sol

Their decision making is also so bad it's comical

[jade grail]

Sigh

[round sparrow]

The Jedi are incredibly competent...against someone who isn't using a lightsaber to murder them. The Jedi have not faced an enemy wielding the Force and a lightsaber against them in 1000 years, and the Sith did this on PURPOSE. The only saber fighting done at the Temple was sparring. For 1000 years. The Sith Rule of Two isn't just a bastardization of the concept of a dyad. It's to hide in plain sight. Bide their time until the opportune moment.

[jade grail]

We get it. You don’t like it.

[lime loom]

Again….
Plot armor

I actually like Jecki and Sol so it makes sense they would last longer

[round sparrow]

And FOR THE F[QUACK]ING RECORD. Every single Jedi on Khofar, aside from Kelnacca, actually put up far more of a fight THAN THREE JEDI MASTERS against Sidious.

[potent helm]

An equally horrible scene

[random pier]

yeah, the redshirts were never getting off Khofar, but the named characters had to be more impactful

[round sparrow]

Good god, what part of "SURPRISE ATTACK" escapes you?

[jade grail]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-strangle-why-do-you-guys-hate-fun-gif-26416088

[lime loom]

I wonder how long they would last against Darth Smiley 🤔…..?

[potent helm]

But it's fine I'm not gonna continue discussing it. I don't want to get muted because criticism isn't allowed here anymore

[round sparrow]

Maybe slightly better because they weren't confused by someone screaming like a bantha

[round sparrow]

What you're doing isn't criticism because we keep pointing out WHY this works and you just retort "BAD WRITING"

[jade grail]

Seriously?

Seriously.

That’s what you’re going with?

Come on, dude.

You KNOW better.

[lime loom]

The Sith Scream is actually a special skill to use in combat tho and it’s scary asf

[round sparrow]

Is it bad writing that Vader marched through the ENTIRE JEDI TEMPLE and didn't get smacked once?

[hollow talon]

Yeah, it’s almost like they’re meant to represent human beings—who also make comically bad decisions when dealing with something unknown or confusing.
You seem to think the Jedi having superpowers should make them perfect and that no one should be able to easily kill them.
I’m pretty sure that’s the opposite of what Star Wars has been saying since day one.

[lean thunder]

My dude, you need to learn that "I don't like it" is not the same as "bad writing".

[jade grail]

I’m exhausted with this “criticism isn’t allowed here anymore” bollocks.

Criticism and critical discussion is always allowed here.

What has been going on here lately isnt that.

[round sparrow]

Anakin: "I saw your laser sword. Only Jedi have those."
Qui-Gon: "Perhaps I killed a Jedi and took it from him."
Anakin: "I don't think so. NOBODY can kill a Jedi."
Qui-Gon: "I wish that were so."

[lean thunder]

Nah, just an example of Inverse Ninja Law.

[potent helm]

It's the reaction that is given by mods and admins to any criticism of the show. I get that the general media and Fandom has been overly critical but anytime someone has a different opinion it's met with move along. Really not trying to be difficult. I love star wars and this is definitely the best server to discuss it without the hatred of a lot of fans, but it really feels like lately if you have issues with something you risk getting muted for it. That's all.

[lime loom]

Besides from the writing and plot the show still offers pretty good choreography so far and action we never seen before so it’s not too bad

[lean thunder]

You phrase your criticism in absolutes. That does not invite discussion. That is why people are not responding well to you. Think about how you are presenting your views and maybe things will change.

[potent helm]

I have, still met with the same.

[round sparrow]

The problem comes from the fact that we're all showing you reasons and past examples as to why Qimir was able to mow down the Jedi, and you still reply with "It's bad writing". That's exactly the discourse that fans of the show are being met with elsewhere.

[lean thunder]

I've not seen you do that. I've seen you say "bad writing", "terrible scene" "dumbest thing I've ever heard" etc. That's trying to start a fight. For the sake of argument let's accept that this is not how you initially presented your views and you were still getting negative reactions. Why the hell would you switch to this method then? What positive outcome do you expect?

[round sparrow]

Also, I do not believe any of the Jedi on Khofar were Masters aside from Sol. And they were all prepared for a Force sensitive assassin with knives.

Also! I did see some criticism as to why Mae didn't surrender to the Jedi. Here's a good reason: Jecki straight up attacked her and likely wouldn't have allowed Mae to fight against Qimir because...well, in all honesty, from the Jedi's perspective, this had to look like a trap. They show up to find her and then the "Master" shows up with a gosh darn lightsaber. Ackbar would've been screaming the instant they made it to the hut and didn't hear any sounds of struggling.

[potent helm]

it's still hard to believe that numbers could not prevail, I felt that was implausible

[lean thunder]

TBH I think it boils down to the Jedi having basically two modes of combat: against people with lightsabers, and people without lightsabers. For the latter you deflect their projectiles and slice their weapons up and the fight is over. For the former well... that's other Jedi, right? It's a formalised combat sport more than actual combat. There are six forms, and you know if a Jedi stands like this then they will move like that. Someone who comes from outside that tradition and, most importantly, ,doesn't stop swinging when you call a hit is a total Outside Context Problem and Jord actually displays impressive adaptability by starting to use Qimir's tactics against him.

[potent helm]

that's another issue, yes Jecki attacked her, why not just surrender instead of trying to kill her? doesn't make sense

[lean thunder]

In real combat at a certain point numbers just make things worse for the bigger side. You have to care about not hurting your team-mates, the other side just has one person to keep safe, and will easily cause you to get in each other's way.

[round sparrow]

It's also been said that Qimir's combat form is actually FORBIDDEN. So there's no way the Jedi could've even TRAINED for that.

[lime loom]

I’m surprised the bird bot hasn’t said anything like “Move Along” or “You’re beating a dead horse”

[lean thunder]

This is a question I cannot answer without bringing real-world political discussions into the server. You should know why already

[lime loom]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-eating-popcorn-watching-amused-michael-jackson-gif-15743549

He must be:

[civic hollow]

You Rang?

[round sparrow]

Because as soon as her Master showed up, she went from "fight" to "flight". Mae was going to try and get away to keep from getting killed by Darth Smiley. Jecki attacking her kept her from doing that, so she switched back to "fight" to try and get rid of Jecki so she could escape. Spoilers: It didn't work.

[potent helm]

I have no idea what politics has anything to do with why she suddenly doesn't surrender when she stated multiple times she was going to do so

[lean thunder]

Then you need to go educate yourself about the real world before criticising a fictional one.

[potent helm]

LMAO whatever you say

[lean thunder]

Good. Now off you go and learn.

[potent helm]

love how you go from this, to the above in seconds. Maybe stop being so high and mighty and thinking you are better than anyone else

[jade grail]

Allllllright.

Now let’s

[runic delta]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExMGV3d2VzNjh2MDlxdThpemh3MDRreHQzMHlsY3M2MXlraTd2czZyOSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/10RgsuetO4uDkY/giphy.gif

[round sparrow]

Me: sitting here after having offered a perfectly logical reason why Mae didn't surrender

[jade grail]

Seriously?

[round sparrow]

My gif was a follow up to my trying to offer a logical reason and was completely ignored. You were well within your right to get rid of the other stuff.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tràkata This is part of Qimir's combat style. Something the Jedi don't teach and, therefore, cannot train against. There is something to be said for ignorance being just as much a weapon as the sword.

[surreal solar]

Let's be happy that our queen is killing it🔥🔥🔥🌈

[hollow talon]

I confess when we saw Osha in her tank top (meaning Mae hadn’t redressed Osha in her own clothes) I had a moment of concern for Mae’s awesome gear.

Where is Padme Mae’s armor and chain mail? Is it safe? Is it alright??

[surreal solar]

😉😉😉😉

[lime loom]

🏳️‍🌈 Queen Mae ❤️🖤❤️‍🔥

[potent helm]

I want to know how Sol doesn't know it's not Osha

[hollow talon]

There’s a 50-50 chance he does know, and is walking her to the ship to get her into custody.

[surreal solar]

Wait a few days, can you stop!!!

[hollow talon]

If he doesn’t know, it’s because the events of episode 5 likely have him way, way off balance.

[lime loom]

I feel like he should sense her too or unless she knows how to turn herself off from the Force

[potent helm]

You really think he would leave real Osha behind if that were the case?

[proper python]

Yord says Qimir gets into your head and stays there. None of the Jedi were clear-minded

[round sparrow]

Sol least of all. Sol had a terrible, horrible, awful, no good, very bad day.

[proper python]

Poor perfect Sol who has never done anything wrong in his life

[hollow talon]

My original thought was Sol might lure Mae to the ship, handcuff her in a toilet cubicle or something, then go back for Osha.
But yeah fair knowing Sol as we do I don’t think Sol would knowingly leave Osha in the forest alone even for a few hours.

[lime loom]

Shoutouts to my Squid Game OGs 🙏🔥

[hollow talon]

Sol is just a Jedi who is used to relying on the force for insight, and currently his connection is emotionally compromised.

[potent helm]

We don't really know that tbh. But even so he should realize it fairly quickly

[lime loom]

I think Sol and Darth Smiley will have another duel in the Finale I feel like first round was a tie technically

[hollow talon]

I do think he’ll figure it out sooner rather than later.
In Episode 7, if Episode 6 is a flashback.

[runic badge]

One of the themes of the show is him getting overly attached to his padawan, and he watches his latest one die

[round sparrow]

Also, thank you for posting this. As I don't exactly have a large TV or the best eyesight, I couldn't see her damn forehead marking that everyone was talking about.

[surreal solar]

No problem🥰

[potent helm]

Also Mae has a giant witch tattoo on her face lol

[round sparrow]

He's not thinking clearly, BUT. If "Osha" takes off that civilian tunic, he'll notice that she doesn't have the arm tattoo, then quickly look at her forehead.

[runic badge]

Yeah dunno how Mae is gonna hide her tattoo

[hollow talon]

Between the bangs and the fact that it’s a spiral in dots (as opposed to a solid mark) it’s not the easiest tattoo to spot.

[lime loom]

Wait doesn’t Osha have the same exact mark and tattoo

[hollow talon]

She doesn’t.

[potent helm]

She didn't do the ritual

[lime loom]

Ohhhhhh that’s right

[round sparrow]

If it were ME? I would've smeared dirt or blood on that part of the head and acted like I had been wounded.

[hollow talon]

What Osha has is a dark wing symbol on her arm that she got on a drunken bender with her fellow mechanics.

Good for her. 😅

[round sparrow]

I also don't think that Mae has a PLAN, as such.

[potent helm]

Her plans change about 5 times an episode

[lime loom]

🤔 Well Damn will Sol just pretend like he’s not gonna see that huge mark on her forehead then lmao

[runic badge]

She took the time to cut her hair with Yord’s saber, so she has given concealing her identity some thought

[round sparrow]

In Sol's defense, I didn't notice it until I saw the above picture, and Sol wouldn't be looking for it.

Change blindness IS a thing.

[surreal solar]

Better than some basic white man could do, watch the episodes more than once, it's always huge events that push her

[potent helm]

"Osha why do you smell like burnt hair?"
"no reason, no reason at all
....."

[lime loom]

https://tenor.com/view/blind-doctor-gif-9638773

[hollow talon]

There’s also a possibility Mae didn’t see the wing mark on Osha’s arm when she was taking Osha’s clothes.
So Mae might be focusing on making her bangs cover her forehead, and not on keeping her arm covered.

[lime loom]

Jkjkjk lol

[surreal solar]

That's disgusting

[round sparrow]

It's either going to be that or Bazil that gives her away.

[runic badge]

To be fair to Mae, she’s been winging it since she made the decision to betray Qimir, and even then he’s stayed a step ahead of her, so changing your mind a lot is somewhat understandable

[hollow talon]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-por-que-no-gif-23322568

[proper python]

Bazil already knows

[potent helm]

The giant black tattoo? Come on thars a stretch

[round sparrow]

Of course...the only person on that mission that spoke Bazil's language came down with a bad case of broken neck.

[lime loom]

I’m sorry lol

[hollow talon]

I agree it’s a stretch. But we’ve also established Mae changes her plans and thus does things hastily.

There’s a possibility of her missing details as a result of her personality.

[lean thunder]

Bazil knows everything. Even about Sheev. That's why he must be.... dealt with.

[proper python]

It's just a matter of whether or not Mae will kill Bazil (and deactivate Pip) before either can betray her

[hollow talon]

The Sith have a plan for Bazil.
They’re going to wait until Bazil dies of old age before destroying the Jedi.
Once Bazil is gone, no one can stop them.

[lean thunder]

That may be a slighty red-herring. Just because Jord was one of the few Jedi to take that language as a class when he was a Padawan doesn't mean that Sol didn't also learn it for some other reason.

[hollow talon]

Do charades, Bazil!

[runic badge]

They did just get to the ship as the episode ended, Mae absolutely could start the next episode by attacking Sol

[lean thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-spongebob-smile-joy-excited-gif-21499821

I am like this waiting for the announcement of TVC Bazil

[hollow talon]

TVC?

[lime loom]

I believe she will do that definitely

[lean thunder]

The Vintage Collection. The 3.75" figures with good articulation.

[round sparrow]

She makes very rash decisions for sure. She's also...I hate to say it, but she's not 100% mentally stable. We saw this when she was Force grabbing the hummingbird butterfly thing and seemed to be squeezing it, and then Osha's response afterwards being "Why do you always do things like that" is...very concerning childhood behaviour. And yet...she was the "well behaved" one. Methinks mama Koril either has messed up priorities or didn't pay as good attention as she claimed she did.

[lime loom]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-sneak-attack-training-gif-8065470

[hollow talon]

Gotcha.
This is indeed something to look forward to. 😊

[lean thunder]

We may be seeing a situation where the witches sure did have their rights infringed upon, but they may not exactly have been 100% above board in how they exercised those rights.

[hollow talon]

I blame Mother Aniseya.
She could have done IVF or something, but no…she had to get babies from the Force.
Did she not think it was possible that twins from the Force might come out with strong light side traits and strong dark side traits respectively?

[runic badge]

She does have Yord’s saber still too presumably

[surreal solar]

I'm just praying they add in amandlas diss track at the end of episode 8. "Fans" need to hear it especially r/saltierthancrait

[hollow talon]

Oh this was cute.

https://x.com/sw_holocron/status/1805763332718076034?s=46&t=IItPmx-4WSwYiaHXaAPcqQ

Star Wars Holocron (@sw_holocron) on X

Dafne Keen refers to Charlie Barnett (aka Yord) as her annoying screen sibling 😂

Twitter · Jun 26, 2024, 12:41 AM

[lime loom]

If she does tries this I hope Sol uses his Kung Fu Jedi skills like how he did on Darth Smiley

https://tenor.com/view/acolyte-sith-qimir-sol-lightsaber-gif-18321984052386663220

Finally more Gifs yippee

I can’t wait to see Sword Master Experts review this fight

[potent helm]

He leaves himself completely open in that last lunge

[random pier]

and apparently Manny Jacinto did most of his stunts.

[runic badge]

It does help to have a vambrace on the opposite arm that can turn off your opponent’s sword

[lime loom]

He used Force Dodge so he’s actually good

[round sparrow]

It's a good thing it's fiction. Cause if these fights were real sword fights, Obi-Wan would've been killed before the fight left the hanger lol

[dusky lark]

People rarely understand the context and rstrictions of STAGE fighting, it is preformative (it isn't real its for an audience) AND most importantly has to be safe for the preformers. There are very few internet 'experts' who are a: actual experts b: have any stage fighting experience c: understand it is a preformance for an audience. The only question is does it look good? The fighting in Acolyte looks pretty ^&**ing good.

[fallen glen]

This! It is pure entertainment!

[proper python]

The people who need to hear it aren't fans. They're haters and bigots pretending to be fans.

[fallen glen]

It only works if both actors (not combatants) learn the choreography by heart and train for it.

[round sparrow]

I hope that Ahsoka season 2 will use this choreographer. Not that I didn't enjoy the fights in Ahsoka season 1, I don't get the hate for them. But they could be even better. I just don't want to tune into season 2 and suddenly Sabine's lightsaber is as big as a Maglite 😂

[fallen glen]

I think I mentioned it before, but in my conversation with Peter Diamond he told me that every move in the “fight” is just there for the drama, to tell the story.

[dusky lark]

With all acting it's the commitment to the role that sells it, IMO The fighting in Ashoka was quite a lot of the time quite sluggish and almost shakesperian satge fighting lots of ha ha! strike, ha hAA! strike HHHAAA hA! Strike! Almost like a whispered your turn! Where as Acolyte also the anakin vs obi wan fights totally committed

[round sparrow]

I feel like Ahsoka had a nice middle ground between the fights of the prequels, the OT fights, and the ST fights. You can especially see it in the Baylan Ahsoka fight on Seatos(sp?). Ahsoka keeps her distance, which actually works to Baylan's advantage as his style seems to very much be a "use momentum for power strikes" like using a broadsword, which is why Ahsoka kept getting pushed back. She was giving him too much room. In their rematch on Peridea, you can see that she uses both sabers and gets in much closer, giving him far less range. Of course, in both situations, she wasn't necessarily trying to kill Baylan. The first fight, her goal was to get him off her long enough to get the map. The second fight, she was looking for an opening so she could go help Sabine and Ezra. In THIS fight, while it's still choreographed to be flashy, you can also feel the killing intent with each blow from Qimir.

[leaden sundial]

i'm with you on this one. i feel like saying "She's waiting to strike" is a cop out answer cause the truth is Rosario clearly worked on her combat skills from Mandalorian to Ahsoka, but it wasn't anywhere close to what we expected. especially when her s7 fight is mo cap so we know there are stunt people out there who can do the moves that we expect of Ahsoka. the same way there are certain moves and styles we attribute to Anakin and OBi.

[lean thunder]

C is the toughest one to convey to people. Watching a "real" sword fight is oddly boring for people who don't know what's going on. There's a huge amount of shuffling and twitching and trying to get a reaction before two people move very fast and then suddenly it's over and you have no idea why.

[keen vortex]

I love it a lot.

[keen vortex]

Something I really love about Qimir is how his fighting style is a bunch of schools or styles.

Seeing the mix is art. Both a balance and unpredictability.

[lime loom]

I know all that lol but it’s always interesting watching those Vids on YouTube of them explaining how good the fight and choreograph is.

[keen vortex]

Because it is. Meanwhile Vader goes twirl. Haha

Vader is big and strong both physically and in the Force.

But his lightsaber fighting is not as varied as Qimir's.

And we've only seen one episode of his fighting!

I'm excited.

https://tenor.com/view/kylo-kylo-ren-more-star-wars-the-last-jedi-gif-24584001

If my opinion is harsh it's because I really really hate kid killers. Lol

I love all those OT kesa gries (I have no idea how to spell that).

I love that they added dialogue to make the OT fights more interesting and dramatic.

Watching Qimir is another level.

I'd love to watch his fighting in slow motion.

Heh I said love a lot...

[dusky lark]

My point was that rarely do those 'experts' actually speak from a point of expertise about the subject. Real sword fighting =/= stage fighting. good stage fighting looks like what the layman thinks sword fighting looks like, 'real' sword fighting IME looks kinda dull. I put 'real' because we don't do real swordfighting any more, and records of actual combat tend to be sparse, greatly exaggerated or from eras where guns were predominant.

[keen vortex]

Real swordfighting still happens though.

I didn't stay in fencing but I'll defend them. Happy memories of advancing on men stronger than me. Getting them to back up.

It's not to kill. But it is fighting.

It is skill.

Choreography is skill too.

Just different.

I didn't disagree with you. Does that make it better?

Just pointing out sword fighting still exists.

[spiral tiger]

Bazil threw it on ebay fr "Sith Lord Attire $5929 or OBO"

Gotta pay for PIP repairs somehow

[spiral tiger]

Absolutely hilarious LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO Yord had a sore throat😔

[round sparrow]

That's why I love the ending of the second Ahsoka vs Marrok fight. They clash a few times but then go into stances and wait for the first move, then a single move and boom, Marrok has a hole in his chest.

[dusky lark]

Sports combat is not lethal combat. Historical reconstruction isn't real lethal combat. Do we have any facsimiles that get close? IMO not really, well maybe two Triad members trying to kill each other with meat cleavers is pretty close. but that ugly chaotic reality wouldn't make good star wars.

[keen vortex]

Sword vs skateboard on a corner.

I love my state.

Sad for those two though. Sorry offtopic.