The Acolyte General Discussion

[gaunt atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-sw3-gif-21070142

[rocky tundra]

counts on fingers
Three more days

[forest tangle]

Acolyte OK for 8 year olds?

they've seen Ep 4-7 and 1

[cinder oasis]

so far, hasn't been anything i think would be an issue

[rocky tundra]

It’s rated TV-14 on Disney+
The first two episodes haven’t had anything I wouldn’t show an 8 year old (the ‘bloodiest’ thing so far has been ||someone’s chest with the hilt of a throwing knife sticking out of it, with a tiny bit of blood||) but we can only vouch for the first two episodes.

[normal ridge]

i wouldnt say theres anything too intense for children. honestly if you think the worst clone wars episodes are fine, then acolyte wouldnt be any worse

[rocky tundra]

You may want to wait until all 8 episodes are released to decide.

[forest tangle]

I've not watched any of the cartoon series.

since I haven't shown them RotS yet, for the live action content, short of C3PO and R2D2 torching all the jawas, all the butt views from Ahsoka ep1were probably the most concerning.

[rocky tundra]

The closest thing to “risque” thus far in The Acolyte is in the first episode ||there’s a scene with a young adult man standing with his shirt off, wearing a pair of fitted calf pants. He’s standing next to a steamer device, trying to steam the wrinkles out of a piece of clothing. Then he bows awkwardly, talks to someone, and is told to put his clothes on.||.

Tbh you may just want to watch the episodes yourself to decide.
The first episode is about 37 minutes without credits. The second is about 33 minutes without credits.

[exotic marten]

I still need to rewatch

[dense prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-yoda-the-mandalorian-cute-gif-15792627

Meanwhile me finishing my 4th rewatch

[forest tangle]

Ok. Watched it. Kids not traumatized so far.

[clear orbit]

NGL I miss the days when we didn't have to wait 8 months for them to shoot 8 32 min episodes

Used to have 25 episode seasons lol

[rocky tundra]

And here I was just thinking the other day: “We’re getting multiple Star Wars shows/specials a year, this is a far cry from having to wait 16 years between the OT and the PT.”

[clear orbit]

True but also I want more 😜

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[grand stream]

Friendly reminder that the strikes screwed EVERYTHING up. If not for the fact that Trek has two animated shows, there would be NOTHING Star Trek for at least a year. Star Wars has been getting a fairly steady drip of content.

[mint kindle]

There are butt views in Ahsoka episode one?

I'm not one to tell someone if something is kid friendly because I was raised in the 80s on really raunchy Soaps and KISS. My kid doesn't watch anything like I did but he definitely watches NCIS. So I'll just have a creepy child who is unfazed by dead bodies.

Can we have the new episode now?

Oh I will warn that TRoS Palpatine's face melting had him crying for hours when he watched it two years ago. But so far no face melting in The Acolyte.

[rocky tundra]

There are some moments in Ahsoka S1 when camera shots put the clothed butts of Sabine and Hera at audience eye level.

Choices were made.

They may have been choices made for the male gaze/people attracted to ladies’ butts gaze.

That said I am not the director or cinematographer so I can’t say for sure why they filmed it that way.

[mint kindle]

I didn't notice at all and if it was that saucy I definitely would have.

But I guess different people have different expectations and experiences.

Perspectives! That's the word.

I am so smrt.

So the first two episodes went through two total Masters.

I'm guessing the next two won't be as efficient because then there are four more episodes?

[grand stream]

I mean...maybe so, but Sabine and Hera aren't exactly wearing yellow spandex.

[rocky tundra]

Absolutely true, they’re just wearing pants.

[rocky tundra]

No idea. 🤷‍♀️😅

It does seem more likely Kelnacca and Sol will last longer.

But maybe only Sol will make it for most of the show.

Or maybe he won’t.

Maybe every Jedi Master gets taken out or just benched in some way, and it’s up to Osha and Yord and Jecki to see this whole thing through.

Oh and Pip.

Pip will definitely come in clutch.

At the very least, Osha can just throw Pip to bean Darth Smileyface on the head.

[main ivy]

I definitely noticed the camera lingering on behinds in Ahsoka.

[grand stream]

In fairness, Star Wars has had at least three bare chested male characters given a fair amount of camera attention.

[mint kindle]

Yall gonna make me rewatch that episode and I'm going to be disappointed.

My threshold must be really high.

Which again, not surprising as I was raised around a lot.

I turned out fine....

whispers I didn't and you know it

But moving on!

[grand stream]

not me having watched R-rated comedies like The Breakfast Club when I was a kid >_>

[barren oxide]

I can’t believe you’re discussing butt views in Ahsoka in regard to child appropriateness when zombie stormtroopers are slaughtered left and right, get up and are slaughtered again!

[mint kindle]

Americans are odd. Edit: I am one. And I am definitely odd. Haha. ❤️

[hoary temple]

I’ll keep my opinions to myself. Haha.

[mint kindle]

Fair. To summarize, so far The Acolyte is probably ok for kids. Though it depends on your opinions of what is/isn't appropriate.

[hoary temple]

Yea. I grow up watching my older brother play Resident Evil and GTA, so I’m probably not the most qualified to answer.

Also don’t have kids.

[short ether]

Anyone else: Dude, you’re weird!
Me: Thank you for the compliment. 🤣

[rocky tundra]

Ok but from a certain point of view zombie stormtroopers aren’t as scary as regular people, because regular people die and death is scary.
But zombie stormtroopers imply that death is no longer something to be afraid of, because death is not permanent.

Zombie stormtroopers should be comforting! They cheated death! 😛

[barren oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/malreynolds-firefly-speechless-gif-5332816

[mint kindle]

A hero emerges

https://fixupx.com/alexleonis/status/1799625789362807122?

[normal ridge]

yord is honestly a complete dumbass and i love it so much

[dense prawn]

I just like the sound of Yord Horde

[cinder oasis]

Yord is actually the one i most want to see go Dark because it would be such an interesting twist. he's so by the book, but that can be manipulated too.

i wonder if he's got a deep insecurity that he's hiding with that himbo bravado that'll be twisted.

[short ether]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-kermit-uh-huh-gif-19083131

[dense prawn]

The Horde are the bad guys in World of Warcraft so it fits 😝 but another reason for me to be team Yord Horde

[obtuse carbon]

The Horde are just people without homes seeking peace. Those raunchy Alliance can't just live and let live.

[dense prawn]

As someone who played a troll mage from vanilla up till around Legion, preach

(Yord) Horde for life

Or rather For the (Yord) Horde

[clear orbit]

Depends on your definition of kids

[obtuse carbon]

The ||suicide|| part was a little tough to watch. But if your kids survived it, awesome

[mint kindle]

Off the Florida Keeeeys

[rocky tundra]

Where is the part of Florida that gets snow like Carlac.

We need to find it.

That area will be prime real estate for a ski resort.

[dense prawn]

The Villages doesn’t have a ski resort?

[rocky tundra]

I’ve actually never been to The Villages part of Florida.
The migration path of my ancestors leads to Fort Lauderdale.

[modern laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-silly-place-holy-grail-gif-14462043

“Silly place” is being kind of course 😆

[swift ice]

Just saying, I found Yord kinda Funny

[gaunt atlas]

though apparently north Florida gets flurries with some frequency

and it snowed this far south on December 23rd, 1989. There was enough on the hood on my mom's car to make a single snowball, which I threw at my sister.

[rocky tundra]

A blessing from the Life Day Orb.

[rocky tundra]

Yord was indeed funny.

And while I’m not sure if I’d call him a ‘likable’ character, he’s definitely entertaining to watch.
I wouldn’t even necessarily call him dumb.

He’s just a try-hard and by-the-book Jedi trying to bury his insecurity and lack of confidence.

So dorky, yes. Dumb, no.

[swift ice]

Yea thats a good way to describe it

plus im looking forward to more Jecki

[rocky tundra]

Also you know what drove me nuts once I processed it?
The fact that Yord was able to ||exonerate Osha by being suspicious and judgmental and following her.
If he’d been a ‘better Jedi’ and trusted in the force like Sol, he wouldn’t have been able to vouch for her.||

It actually reminded me of things I remember Kreia saying during KOTOR II.

Not specific quotes, but I know she went on and on at some point about how the context of each situation/choice needs to be carefully considered, along with the myriad of chess moves that might/might not branch out based on your decision.

Basically she was saying that life is so incredibly complex that you can’t auto-default to the same decision for every similar event, you have to consider changing your actions for each situation.

Which is a living nightmare

Because humans are designed to develop action patterns and ruts.

But she had a point.

Which The Acolyte demonstrated by showing that the correct course of action wasn’t always ||what Sol is doing, or what Jecki suggests. Sometimes it’s what Yord decides to do. Or what Vernestra tells everyone to do.||

And we have no idea whose plan is right in which situation until after the fact!

We’re all just fumbling around. And so are the Jedi. 😬

/end soapbox

[grave siren]

Ahhhh donating the credits to the poor on Nar Shaddaa! She mentioned that although we had good intentions, us not giving any deeper-thought to our decisions could be detrimental in the long-run. The "path to hell is paved with good intentions"

[rocky tundra]

She also reprimanded us for doing the opposite.

Technically there were no correct answers.

https://tenor.com/view/face-palm-oh-god-why-ugh-gif-11669669

[grave siren]

This this this. Being able to tailor one's approach is the biggest lesson Yord seemed to learn rather quickly (his original plan for confronting Qirmi vs. Jecki's simpler plan)

I mentioned it before, but I think if anyone has the most potential to join the darkside, it'd be Yord. From what we've seen thus far, his arrogance and by-the-book nature seems to stem from unaddressed insecurities. Some of the characters mentioned how he had trouble passing the trials, which implies that he may not have been the top of his class. Him having this hall monitor personality could be him trying to overcompensate. All of it just feels like a trauma response. It's funny for us to see, but him constantly getting a good dressing-down (albeit completely warranted) whenever his know-it-all side comes out is just tiny cuts to his ego. We may not think much of it, but i'd assume he fs overthinks those little things. It'd be the very thing to pull him towards the darkness fr

[cinder oasis]

that's what i'm sayingggg.

[dense prawn]

Or, he’s a big shirtless yellow blade herring

[rocky tundra]

That’s the mystery.

Will he ||fall to the dark side||? Or will he ||stay light, but be yet another stepping-stone to the Jedi becoming more dogmatic because of the trauma he experiences||?

[dense prawn]

That is, || assuming he lives 😢 ||

[rocky tundra]

Right.
That’s also an option. 😑

[dusky halo]

Just getting time to catch up on this show. I think it’s really good!

[grave siren]

...saCRIFICE..sACRIFICE...SACRIFICE...

[dense prawn]

I’d say no one’s safe, not even Pip

[quaint willow]

so... you have a... sister

[quaint willow]

not even vernestra

[rocky tundra]

This is actually a very relevant word.

Mae appears to have been directed to revenge herself on ||the four Jedi involved in the destruction of her home and family…but would they qualify as a ‘Sith Sacrifice’?||

||A Sith sacrifice is supposed to be a loved one, someone you care for.||

||Like a sister. 😬||

[grave siren]

Ahhh maybe both sisters were yearning to reunite...but for vastly different reasons...

Would be pretty heartbreaking. Would alSO BE SOME OF THE MOST MASTERFUL WRITING WE'VE GOTTEN FROM STAR WARS INNA MINUTE

[rocky tundra]

There’s like a hundred different ways this whole story could go, really.

And we’re only 2 episodes in.

We need more info.

[grave siren]

I really dig the Sith Sacrifice angle ngl👀you're on to something!

Feels so much more sinister

And it'd show the lengths Mae is willing to go to get to wherever she's going

[gaunt atlas]

it would require Mae to change her initial plan though, since she didn't even know her sister was alive

[rapid lake]

Or it's the next test

Kill a jedi unarmed to show skill, kill Osha to show devotion

[gaunt atlas]

and assumes that the Master knew Osha was alive. Which is possible, of course.

if those were intended to be the tests

[rocky tundra]

I strongly suspect he did know.

And his long term plan (while nebulous and flexible) involved the two ‘crossing blades’ so to speak, eventually.

[grave siren]

Good point good point, but I'd view it more as a new option on the table. Another route to get to where she wants to go

Similar to how Jedi Trails to knighthood go fr

[gaunt atlas]

I know sometimes it's "because the plot has to happen," but Mae starting the revenge quest, leaving enough/the right witnesses to identify her as Osha, who is still easily reachable, to be returned by the Jedi, who are the same ones sent to investigate while bringing Osha with them. It's a lot.

[dense prawn]

My wild theory: whoever the master is, is responsible for the fire

[grave siren]

Would be funny if this mysterious figure is fed up with Mae's failings, discovers Osha's existence, and begins riding the "there is another" train that Yoda & Obi-Wan were on with Luke

[rocky tundra]

Mae obviously didn’t think that Osha would get framed for her actions since she thought Osha was dead.
But if Darth Smileyface Toothman knew Osha was still alive, and sent Mae out a killin’, then yeah he probably figured the odds were good Osha would get pulled into things.

[grave siren]

Would be wild if Osha's actually Darth Smileyface Toothman ngl

[rocky tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/squint-frog-frog-meme-gif-10917466560007578587

That…seems unlikely.

But stranger things have happened.

[gaunt atlas]

I dunno, Torbin was pretty quick to say "we did what we thought was best" and off himself. I think the Jedi might have attacked unarmed people

[dense prawn]

True, but could have been something set in motion by the bad guy to grab the twins. I mean, force sensitive twins seems to be the Jedi/Sith holy grail

The Son/Daughter, Luke/Leia

Jacen and Jaina (you can pry the solo twins from my cold dead hands lol)

[rocky tundra]

They’re not vanished lol, they just live in Legends.

Perpetually living in the 1990s.

Which actually sounds kind of nice in some aspects.

[dense prawn]

lol yeah

But it wouldn’t be too far off their strategy in the coming decades to be the root cause of everything bad that happens

[gaunt atlas]

but istg if they turn out to be Skywalker and/or Palpatine ancestors

[dense prawn]

I’d rather it be a rogue group, maybe offshoot, but still using the same tactics

[grave siren]

This reminded me about the story of a group of Jedi Masters who, after sharing a vision about the return of the Sith being spearheaded by their Padawans, slaughtered their Padawans at a fake knighting ceremony

Leslye did mention being inspired by certain legend events👀👀

[gaunt atlas]

dark. I love it.

[grave siren]

Whole story was pretty wild. One of the Padawans managed to escape because he was late to the knighting ceremony (he just like me fr). He ended up getting framed for the massacre, and worked to exonerate his name

Which does sound...familiar...

His investigations lead to the discovery of some sort of force cult within the jedi

[grave siren]

Would be interesting if Osha/Mae were somehow conceived without a father, similar to Anakin. It's one of the more glossed-over parts of star wars that I've always found to be fascinating ngl

I finished my rewatch a bit ago and got me thinkin about a few things:

1. Although separated for more than a decade, how is it that both Osha and Mae have somewhat similar hairstyles (I knooooow certain parts of Mae's hair is longer than Osha's)? It was a small detail but with a galaxy that expansive, filled with that much culture, having similar hairstyles is interesting. Could have something to do with the force cult they seemed to have grown up in.
2. Qimri referencing the Sith Code was interesting. We know that both him and Mae seem to associate with the Darth Smileyface Toothman, but where does he fall in all this? He seemed to be all too familiar with whatever Rite of Passage Mae's embarking on, which rules out him being some two-bit smuggler. Him being aware of the Sith Code rules out him being just some average errand boy. Then again, him referring to Darth Smileyface Toothman in the third person infers that he isn't him. I think Qimiri may have a twin as well? And his twin is Darth Smileyface Toothman? IdkK idk
3. I wonder how this force cult views the force. Do they even call it the force? I hope we'd get a deep-dive into this cult ngl

[rocky tundra]

I would prefer this not be the case, as parthenogenesis loses its lustre if you have more than one ‘chosen one birth’ in a narrative setting.
It’s cool in lizards though.

[gaunt atlas]

Re: hair, it doesn't even have to be force cult or anything deep. Maybe that's just how adult women in their culture keep their hair. And both do it because that's what women did, even if they're no longer actively connected.

[rocky tundra]

1. Putting aside the various real world studies people online keep citing that say identical twins tend to favor similar appearances even when separated, I do think their hairstyle is from their culture. The kid hallucinations have the same hairstyle. Based on the old holo Sol has of Osha, her hair actually looked a bit different when she was a Padawan. But I assume when Osha left the order, she chose to re-do her hair in the style from her childhood. Mae more than likely has worn roughly the same hairstyle her whole life (at varying lengths) because she remembers where she came from and wants vengeance for what she lost.
2. Apart from ‘he might be the Sith’ or ‘he clearly knows more than he lets on’ there’s not a lot of firm theories right now. We need Qimir to drop more hints.
3. We are absolutely going to get a more in depth understanding of the cult the twins came from.

[grave siren]

Fair point! Being black myself, I know how deep-rooted (ba dum tiss) our hair is to our culture. It's pretty gnarly seeing different hairstyles from my culture within Sci-Fi ngl. I just found it interesting that they seemed to have kept similar hairstyles despite being apart for so long. It's certainly a way of expression, and usually most folks tend to stick w their trademark hairstyles. Hair, for some, encompasses their identity. Honestly the more I think about it, both Osha and Mae having similar hairstyles (even as children) further cements the weight of their connection to who they once were, especially towards each other. Perhaps its a time they last felt safe, and/or comfortable. It's still gnarly nevertheless!

[grave siren]

That's true! It would inadvertently undermine the weight of Anakin's own birth. Then again, my views on the Chosen One prophecy's a little unorthodox

[grave siren]

Yeah it's funny how much we've all dissected the two episodes😭there's still so much more for us to see. I dig it i dig it

[grave siren]

I may be thinking too deep into it, but perhaps their hairstyles could also be connected to beliefs instilled in them during their time within the force sect (I realized cult may be a bit too aggressive/negative. Idk idk). Star Wars is full of references to religions from our universe, especially christianity. Their hair could hold a level of meaning similar to Samson attributing his (abrahamic) god-given strength to his hair.

[grand stream]

Welp, I'm going to be a day behind the rest of you. They've moved Acolyte to Tuesdays permanently.

[gaunt atlas]

when was it supposed to be? I thought it was always Tuesdays

[vital oxide]

It’s always been Tuesday nights

[grand stream]

Star Wars shows started out on Fridays, then moved to Wednesdays.

[main ivy]

Yeah, but this was never going to be Wednesdays. It was always Tuesdays at 9 pm ET

[gaunt atlas]

Star Wars movies were always released at the end of May. Until they weren't. Acolyte was always Tuesdays.

[exotic marten]

Downloaded the episodes onto the tablet so I can watch at work. Tablet won't play them since I'm not connected to the internet. That's why I downloaded them. 🤦‍♂️

[dense prawn]

That’s always the best bet when not on home internet. Makes sure you’re watching the best quality version with no worries of buffering/etc

When on lower speed WiFi like hotels and work networks for personal devices you get the like 480p version so it doesn’t lag

But you can download the 1080+ version

[tulip terrace]

It sucks! It happened to us while traveling. You need to be logged in. We had to log in before take off, then we could watch it while flying.

[dense prawn]

I’d do that the morning of a Mando/Andor episode drop, first thing in the morning start my iPad downloading the highest quality version so I could watch it at lunch. And then avoid Reddit/the internet at large to avoid spoilers until then lol

[craggy coral]

FUN FACT: So the first live action Selkath seen in ‘The Acolyte’ was brought by legendary puppeteer Mike Quinn who famously was Nein Numb from ‘Return Of The Jedi’

[short ether]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-laugh-alien-nods-gif-17481697

[craggy coral]

Yup

[vital oxide]

ahem

[rapid lake]

Damnit I don't wanna wait 5 more hours

[gaunt atlas]

Torbin was Tommen from Game of Thrones all growed up.

||and he offed himself again||

[grand stream]

The best thing about the "fire in space" crybabies is that this quote from the Master surfaced.

[rapid lake]

Also they constantly show fire in space in older media

[modern laurel]

If they made realistic space fire, people would call it bad SFX

its all brief, poofy, and spherical

"poofy" being the formal engineering term

[rocky tundra]

This definitely crossed my mind when I first heard the fire in space complaint.
I didn’t remember the quote word for word, but I knew George had definitely said the equivalent of “I wanted a WWII dogfight in space so the ships operate like they’re in an atmosphere. While they’re in space. Don’t worry about it.”

[grand stream]

Also, it's science fantasy. I don't see how anyone can expect realism in a franchise about magic space monks with laser swords.

[dense prawn]

^ what fire in zero g would look like

[rocky tundra]

I always liked the idea of The Expanse and Star Wars going on like, a blind date together.

And hijinks ensue.

[rapid lake]

Expanse reference!

[mint kindle]

Such a pretty and awesome series!

She cast counterspell on fireball.

[rapid lake]

Do rogues get counterspell? Cuz Naomi is definitely a rogue

Holden is the paladin

Amos is barbarian

Not sure what class Alex fits

[mint kindle]

Magic initiate is a feat. But not sure counterspell is possible.

[rapid lake]

Bobbie is a fighter

I like assigning fictional characters dnd classes

[dense prawn]

I’d say Alex is a Bard and Prax a Druid

[rapid lake]

Ye prax is definitely druid

I could see Alex as bard

[amber wind]

Star Wars isn't science fiction. It's high fantasy with a space theme.

[cedar kernel]

or, you know, space opera

[rapid lake]

I think Miller would also be a rogue

[amber wind]

^

[rapid lake]

Avasarala is the dungeon master

[modern laurel]

Witness the poofyness

[dense prawn]

But not bad SFX lol, and in that case it was scary AF cause if you don’t have a vacuum suit on/ready to go you’re screwed

[rancid burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/giving-a-light-saber-sol-star-wars-the-acolyte-gifting-a-light-saber-star-wars-gif-7627899351121457893

Sol is Him

[amber wind]

They gave Sol a Legacy lightsaber

[grand stream]

https://x.com/GraceRandolph/status/1800737497640845502 I don't particularly like Grace Randolph, but I do fully agree with this statement.

Grace Randolph (@GraceRandolph) on X

I will say that I think it’s going to be very hard for Disney to cast upcoming #StarWars projects, because this level of hate just isn’t worth it - even for up & coming actors

Like poor Lee Jung-Jae - coming off of Squid Game, doing a great job on #TheAcolyte, and for what?

Twitter · Jun 12, 2024, 3:50 AM

[amber wind]

People who don't like Star Wars should stop watching Star Wars

[rapid lake]

I feel like they're actively trying to kill star wars at this point

[amber wind]

Some people just want to feel like they've had an impact on something and the only thing they know how to do is ruin it.

[rapid lake]

Yea

I hate humanity

[main ivy]

They will fail.

Star Wars is Forever.

that was the motto of the 30th anniversary back in 2007, and it's even truer today than it was back then.

[rapid lake]

I certainly hope so

[main ivy]

How do you "kill" art?

You can't.

Star Wars is bigger than they are.

It's bigger than all of us.

[rapid lake]

You can stop it being made which is more what I meant

[main ivy]

All they do is make certain parts of the internet unpleasant to hang out in. There is zero chance Disney stops making new Star Wars content because of them.

[mint kindle]

I like humanity the way the Doctor likes it.

Hopefully and begrudgingly.

[grand stream]

Even if it stops, that doesn't change what we already have and love

[gaunt atlas]

We've been playing the Firefly board game. Because it was half a season and a movie twenty years ago that we still love. And Star Wars has given us so much more.

[quaint willow]

Man Episode 3 was amazing. ❤️

[grand stream]

https://tenor.com/view/firefly-serenity-wash-hoban-washburn-alan-tudyk-gif-4816275

[mint kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/mel-fire-fly-turbulence-gif-7288347

[grand stream]

"I don't wanna explode."

[rocky tundra]

Which is a valid concern.

[modern laurel]

Shots fired!

[rocky tundra]

Okay but technically that was Luke.
For the first two movies at least.

In fairness Luke did succeed at many things.
But he also tried really hard.

[main ivy]

how dare we compare Yord and Syril!

[cedar kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/daddy-drake-gif-27607098

[rocky tundra]

They do both engage in garment-related activities.

Syril tailors his clothes.

Yord steams the wrinkles out of his robes.

That’s about where the common ground ends tho

[grand stream]

Yord has power. Which is kinda worse.

Syril is screaming at the universe to notice him.

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-trunks-vegeta-notice-me-scream-gif-4831191

[mint kindle]

Oh no. Yord and Syril do match!

They are both so strictly by the book.

Extra queens.

[tulip terrace]

I see Syril more that he can’t live without order and he totally believes in rules. I see Yord more like an insecure person that maybe is not as bright as others, trying to overcompensate. I really don’t see much more similarities than just trying to be clean cut.

[dense prawn]

Yord’s hair is anything but clean cut 😜

[mint kindle]

His hair is perfect and not for us to comment on.

Unless it's in admiration.

[dense prawn]

Oh yes it defies gravity even

[mint kindle]

Both Syril and Yord are very passionately into their beliefs. At their and others' expense.

[tulip terrace]

I love Yord’s hair and I think is clean cut. 😄

[tulip terrace]

I see it more than it was extremely hard for him to pass his trials, which makes him to overcompensate. That I got from Osha trying to have a fun convo with him, because clearly he wasn’t like that. In the case of Syril, he seems like he has been like that forever.

[mint kindle]

I'm still not sure if it's better that Yord is more respectful of authority.

[tulip terrace]

We will see!

[dense prawn]

I sympathise with Syril a bit cause his mom totally dominates his life

[mint kindle]

Where Yord grumbles silently in dismay, Syril yells loudly and goes over his superiors' heads to do what he wants.

[dense prawn]

He’s a try hard cause he wants to get the heck away from her

[tulip terrace]

I see that very relatable to many.

[dense prawn]

I see him joining that corporate security sort of like Osha joining that illegal ship repair business. Getting as far from their issue as possible

[tulip terrace]

Definitely

[dense prawn]

But, they’ll be defined how they act on being confronted with that trauma. Cyril went right back into “oh god I have to live with mom again” mode

Fell back on his crush on the ISB lady

Yord has yet to face his issues, and so far Osha has done alright with being thrown back into the mix, up to and including shooting a stun gun at the sister she thought dead

[gaunt atlas]

thought dead but also tried to kill her.

[dense prawn]

Yeah I’m not sure how I feel about Osha probably purposefully missing her shots when the last time she saw Mae, Mae was trying to kill her

Me? I’d have stunned my twin like a dozen times and Sol have had to run up and stop me from firing more

Then Yord would have been like “this is why we don’t give civilians weapons, it broke all these Jedi codes”

[main ivy]

I am sure you didn't mean it this way, but comments like this about Black people's hair can be really hurtful even when said in jest.

I don't want to veer super far off topic, but I would encourage folks to look into how natural hairstyles have been derided and even outright suppressed in the US and other Western countries.

[dense prawn]

Apologies, I didn’t realise

[main ivy]

No worries, that's why I wanted to say something. 😊

[rancid burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/acolyte-jedi-sith-lightsaber-fight-gif-2039080620593000453

I hope this scene blows me away

[gaunt atlas]

I wonder if that's a witchy force push

[forest tangle]

I saw somewhere here Tuesday before the ep3 release someone spoiler tag their comment: ||please don't retcon the force||
What is/was the concern? Wondering if there's a story angle ||I'm not aware of|| or if it's one ||I'm so aware of that its what I thought the whole series is about.||

[rocky tundra]

Having watched the episode I assume the concern had to do with ||the coven interpreting the force somewhat differently than the Jedi||.
Which ||is not a retcon.||
There seems to be some confusion out there about ||what the term ‘retcon’ means. I have been getting the impression that simply having a character say “we call the force ‘the thread’ and this is what we believe regarding its use” makes some viewers think the force has been changed.||
The ||force has not been changed. In fact the way the coven sees the force is basically the same way Obi Wan describes it in A New Hope. They just use the imagery of ‘one long thread’ to describe the energy that “surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together”.||

[exotic marten]

||Plus there are other force sects that all treat the force differently. I mean just look at the sith and Jedi, both have a different view of the force, this just adds another perspective||

[forest tangle]

mitichlorians being the classic retcon?

[quaint willow]

||Why are we spoiler tagging||

[rocky tundra]

Sometimes ||it makes me feel like a secret agent||.

[quaint willow]

(Whispers) ||ok||

[rocky tundra]

I guess midichlorians could be called a retcon, but honestly at this point it just feels like a clarification.

Before midichlorians there was nothing to my knowledge that said “this is how people quantify the force and measure force potential”.

If there had been, and that quantifying thing was different than midichlorians, then when George Lucas invented midichlorians that would have been a retcon.

But midichlorians didn’t really replace anything, they just tacked on this scientifically quantifiable element to the previously wholly mystical force.

Which I understand was not everyone’s favorite thing.
But they made some further story adjustments in the Clone Wars show and now we live with it.

[quaint willow]

Now THIS is a retcon.

[dense prawn]

I think people are more mad that Anakin is no longer space-Jesus

If force-parthenogenesis has happened more than once

But he can still be the chosen one

[rocky tundra]

Exactly

‘Space Jesus’ was always just a label we all stuck on because that’s what we associate virgin birth with in the real world.

And yes there are Christian themes about sacrifice, etc. in Star Wars, and a meme about AOTC Obi-Wan looking like Jesus.

But the galaxy does not have Christianity, and there is nothing in the Sith’ari prophecy that says “the Chosen One is the only one who will ever be born with no father”.

[dense prawn]

It would even explain the council’s reluctance to believe QGJ, they’d seen it before and the kid wasn’t the chosen one

[rocky tundra]

And while I can’t say for sure, I doubt Mother Aniseya was trying to create the Chosen One.

Why would she care about a Jedi / Sith prophecy? She’s neither.

[dense prawn]

That always had confused me cause if it’s like, the first time in the history of ever that it’s happened wouldn’t they all be like holy crap it’s him

Instead Yoda was like “nah”

I mean hell that might be how his species propagates, asexually

[rocky tundra]

Yeah lol

Obviously there being no father is rare/nonexistent in mammalian species, but Star Wars is full of aliens.

[dense prawn]

That’s how it works for the Hutts

[rocky tundra]

Lol not sure if they fully canonized that, but in Legends absolutely.
And no one’s contradicted it in Canon so far.

Lol imagine Rotta being the Chosen One. 😅

Jabba: My punky muffin will bring balance to the Force.
Everyone Else: Jabba you’re a hermaphrodite you are both his mother and his father, please just go home.”

[dense prawn]

IMO Anakin still has his special status. Shmi getting pregnant was the will of the force, where Osha and Mae seem to be the result of dark magick

[rocky tundra]

That one.

Whatever Mother Aniseya did with the force, I highly doubt it was anything like Palpatine and Plagueis metaphysically picking a fight with the Force.

Again, that’s Sith bs. And Mother Aniseya is not a Sith.

[dense prawn]

Yeah, and iirc they were working to extend their own lives, not specifically create kids

[quaint willow]

... what is it the kids say? Hot take... what if they weren't conceived by the force but are clones like Omega?

I mean if the Zabrak carried them would force conception have part of her DNA?

I mean it is all made up fiction but yeah...

[rancid burrow]

Anakin’s Father is the Force
The Force is Lord
The Father (Anakin)
The Son (Luke)
The Holy Force

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-clone-wars-anakin-force-mortis-gif-20738533

[quaint willow]

Also daily reminder Vernestra = Supreme Sith

[rocky tundra]

Hold onto that thought until we get Season 2 of Ahsoka, I have a feeling we’re gonna be getting back into the Mortis Gods in that show.

[rancid burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-world-between-worlds-rebels-gods-of-mortis-wbw-gif-22463168

I hope Dave cooks with this one 🔥

[rocky tundra]

I love how they made that wall look like an illuminated manuscript.
So darn pretty.

[rancid burrow]

We still really don’t know that much about them so I’m hyped

[dense prawn]

I can only hope we get to see the three in live action

[rocky tundra]

Holds up CGI owl We got one of em already.

[dense prawn]

Yeah we have seen Morai but I’ve wondered if that meant the Daughter is watching over Ahsoka or if Ahsoka is the latest incarnation of the Daughter

But probably a topic for another channel lol

[dense prawn]

There’s a like 2 hour long “movie” that you can watch Sabine’s loth cat just lie on a table and sleep lol

[gaunt atlas]

Are lothcats universally known? Or would they have accepted cat/animal/something more generic?

[dense prawn]

We’ve seen them on various other planets I believe, so I think Lothal exports them as pets

There’s at least one Mando episode where they show one

Sorta like the kowakian monkey things, except not grilled on street side food carts

[gaunt atlas]

Because I just think of all the times I see a picture of an interesting animal and just go "what IS that?" and that's just our one singular planet.

[main ivy]

Maybe not lothcats but tookas seem to be

And I guess tookas are just domesticated lothcats

[rapid lake]

2 Es!!!

[quaint willow]

Sorry I didn't make the meme just distributed it

[rapid lake]

I know lol it's just a pet peeve so I point it out where i can

[forest tangle]

Zabrak makeup doesn’t stand up to high definition

[mint kindle]

Parthenogenesis is such a pretty word.

[cedar kernel]

just like ecumenopolis

[gaunt atlas]

I love defenestrate. I also love that we even have a word for it.

[cedar kernel]

lol for sure an excellent word

[grand stream]

Was it the will of the Force? I thought someone said a canon comic said it was Palpatine?

[dense prawn]

I believe it was him/Plagueis messing with the force and it’s response was to create Anakin (unbeknownst to them)

I could be wrong but I don’t believe they set out to create a kid

[rocky tundra]

Accounts seem to differ (and the specifics are Legends so there’s that).
Either Plagueis and Palpatine were doing Sith rituals to make the force bend to their will/notice them (like playground bully tactics) or they were in fact trying to manifest life through midichlorians (again by bullying the force).

However even if it’s the latter, their specific intent was not to create a baby in a slave woman on Tattooine.
The force did that.

[dense prawn]

Yep, more nuanced than my basic breakdown. But the major difference is what they did was unintentional (and definitely caused by doing bad stuff) where the witches seem to have accomplished it on purpose with possibly bad means, but that could just be how it’s viewed by the Jedi

[grand stream]

Okay, got it. Dang Sith lords trying to play god

[gaunt atlas]

I mean, is it playing god any more than any parents choosing to make a baby? If Koril and Aniseya were both consenting, does the method matter? It seems different than Shmi waking up pregnant without any say in the matter.

[obtuse carbon]

There are two different events that happened. In Plagueis, Plagueis and Palpatine tried to control the Midiclorians, but the Midiclorians realized what they were trying to do, and turned the dark force into a light force. In the Vader comics, Sidious is seen swirling around dark energies with his hands around Shmi, creating Anakin.

If the Thread and the Force are the same thing, based on how its used, I can see Mother Aniseya creating them the same way Sidious did. Maybe it was the Midiclorians who realized what Mother was trying to do, and split the "binding" into twins, to give balance to the Thread/Force

[dense prawn]

I did notice the “one good twin, one bad twin” theme

[rocky tundra]

The force doesn’t usually half-a** anything.

If it was going to be used to create life by the leader of a cult that uses both light and dark, it’s going to go all in and make twins with light and dark affinities respectively.

Just to be melodramatic about it.

[obtuse carbon]

The force is a brat

[rocky tundra]

Now we know where Anakin got it from.

[grand stream]

...It's a question whether the "thread" and the Force are the same thing?

[dense prawn]

I think in Mother Aneseya’s speech she said the Jedi call the Thread the force

Or at least says “others in the galaxy” call it the Force

[obtuse carbon]

Not to me

[rocky tundra]

It’s another word for the same thing.

Obi Wan’s original description of the force was that it surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together.
…Kind of like one big long thread that goes through and between all of us.

[grand stream]

You said "If the Thread and the Force are the same thing", so forgive me for asking for clarification 😆

[obtuse carbon]

Right, it's ambiguous. I know there's a lot of unknowns, I'm trying to leave it open to interpretation

Like, we know of the light, the dark, and have recently been getting glimpses into this "third" power/side of the force.

Could it be the same thing, or could it be another everpresent "force" in the galaxy?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grand stream]

They specifically call out "Force" and those who "claim to use it.". I see no ambiguity.

[rocky tundra]

It seems unlikely the force would have a roommate.

[obtuse carbon]

Yeah, two names for the same thing

That's how I'm understanding it

[dense prawn]

Yeah sort of like how Bendu called the light side and the dark side “the Ashla and the Bogan”

Different names for the same thing

[celest summit]

They’re doing it for clicks. So if we want it to stop then we need to stop giving these people the clicks. They will go away.

I also find it ironic that these people trash on Star Wars but they’re….still…watching…it

[rocky tundra]

Beyond the grifting/hustling part of it, they get a high from trashing it and trying to ruin everyone else’s good mood.

Basically bargain bin Inquisitors.

[gaunt atlas]

something that occurred to me. Indara immediately asks "who is their father?" Qui Gon asks Shmi "who is his father?" Are fatherless Force children so common that's the first thing you ask their mothers? Shmi was a slave, there are way more likely and dark scenarios for why she'd have a child, and Qui Gin even asking is pretty crappy. But even beyond that. Off working, died, left for deathsticks and never came back. There are so many options that are frankly none of the Jedi's business.

[rocky tundra]

I guess if you’re trying to ascertain your chances of getting permission to take a child away from its family and you only see one parent, it makes sense to ask after the whereabouts of the other parent.

Also there’s always the possibility that a rogue Jedi (or a not-rogue Jedi who decided to have a one night stand) was the absentee father, and then the Jedi can go “ah, that explains the force sensitivity in the child”.

[amber wind]

Possibly trying to fully ascertain lineage as well

[grave siren]

This. On the surface, I think Indara asked because there wasn't any other males (that we saw) in the coven. A part of me also thinks that, because the coven was being hunted, the Jedi may have somewhat an idea of what those beliefs entail, which'll imply that this may not have been the first time the coven has conceived life this way. A tool that colonizers use to tactfully exterminate a group is by understanding their culture, their beliefs, the overall structure etc, then weaponizing these things against them

[grand stream]

The bigger question is why didn't she lie? There are multiple ways for same sex couples to have children, so why give the truth that will lead to more suspicion?

[grave siren]

I can't seem to remember when event happened first, but I think Qui-Gon asked Shmi about Anakin's father after running his M-count. Someone mentioned it earlier, but because the M-count was astronomically high, Qui-Gon may have assumed that Anakin's father had to have been a Jedi or some insanely powerful force user

[gaunt atlas]

That too! "Their father is dead." MYOB

[grave siren]

A few reasons. Although not all knowing, the Jedi have a tact for knowing when someone is lying. We see it in play a few scenes later when Sol quizzed Osha

[gaunt atlas]

Right but. He had to have known the possibility of 1), Shmi didn't know the father, because 2), she may not have had a choice in the matter.

[gaunt atlas]

Assuming they could tell that from powerful force witches, though

[grave siren]

True but Mama and the others started off by lying during that scene, and it didn't seem to work

[grand stream]

He ran the test afterwards.

[grave siren]

In all honesty I think the coven assumed they'd kill the Jedi so continuing to lie may have seemed pointless. Most were shocked that Mama told them to standdown

[grave siren]

Ahh then yeah nvm LMFAOO

[mint kindle]

I still genuinely think she was going to let Osha go. As a mom, it hurts and you try to protect them but when they ask for something so deeply you can't say no. Heck Mama couldn't say no to Osha doing anything in this episode.

The most she tried was "you want to leave because you're young and don't know what we go through."

[grave siren]

Good point!

[grave siren]

She ended up being right in the long-run. One thing I dig is that Osha kept that same yearning for liberation even after she became a jedi. She realized it wasn't for her, and set off for something else

[gaunt atlas]

Right, but the lie "there are no children" was bs because they had already seen the children, not necessarily because they could tell it was a lie.

[grave siren]

Yeah that's also true

[gaunt atlas]

That's not to say they couldn't ALSO sense it was a lie, but that aspect wouldn't even matter since they already knew. Without knowing who the girls' father was, undetermined if the Jedi could have sensed that lie.

Also Osha gave herself away during the test when Sol told her "correct", but you don't need to be a Jedi to tell when a child is obviously lying. Lol

[grand stream]

https://tenor.com/view/minipini-gif-23874291

Look at all those spaceships!

[rocky tundra]

The cutest spaceships.

This joke is so dumb I love it.

[celest summit]

It’s like the hate watch it. This is about the only place that exists where we can all love/hate something and still have civil conversations.

[modern laurel]

I wish I could find it now, but I read about a study that measured responses to positive and negative social media content - overall the negativity got more views/clicks, and they went into a psychological analysis that talked about how it's easier to get a negative reaction out of someone than a positive one. So it's partiallly a chicken/egg scenario - all those 'content' creators churning out ragebait, and people getting caught in those feedback loops, spawning more ragebait etc. and then they're all living in a bubble.

[rocky tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/hiding-in-the-sheets-wanda-maximoff-scarlet-witch-elizabeth-olsen-wandavision-gif-22928243

Human behavior is tiresome.

https://x.com/kierqe/status/1800981988096295153?s=46&t=IItPmx-4WSwYiaHXaAPcqQ

CT @ Hooked on Chthonics (@kierqe) on X

He’s innocent your honor
#theacolyte

Twitter · Jun 12, 2024, 8:02 PM

On the other hand, a human did make this cute little Kelnacca drawing.

So there’s that.

[rapid lake]

I love him

[grand stream]

I relate to this so much lol

[barren oxide]

That came to my mind too!!!!
(so it is correct, of course)

[grand stream]

https://x.com/CultureCrave/status/1801351927600713793

Culture Crave 🍿 (@CultureCrave) on X

Leslye Headland says Dave Filoni was a 'mentor' in making #TheAcolyte

He guided her to include witches that weren’t Nightsisters

“Dave Filoni very quickly became kind of a mentor of mine in terms of navigating what this part of the timeline would be like for both the Jedi and

Twitter · Jun 13, 2024, 8:32 PM

[dense prawn]

So not an offshoot of the nightsisters, nice. I like seeing a new force using group

[rocky tundra]

I’m headcanoning for now that the coven did offshoot in some tangential way from ||a specific force cult featured in the High Republic book initiative||.

But my only proof of that is some ||little stuffies in the twin’s room.||
So there’s not a lot of actual evidence. 😅

[barren oxide]

For “witches that weren’t Nightsister” they look, talk and act a lot like Nightsisters. Especially if one of the more prominent roles is a Zabrak.

Or did they run out of other makeup / prosthetics options?

[dense prawn]

Uh, their clothes are nothing alike, they call the force “the thread”, and there are no female zabrak nightwitches. At least none with horns

Nightsisters are all bald, where these witches have hair. And it’s a collection of species, not just humans

[grave siren]

We know from ||Tales of the Empire|| that there are various covens on Dathomir. Although similar presumed ideologies, I don't think the coven on Brendok and the covens of Dathomir share any connected history. Ngl both sects being connected would make the galaxy feel so much more smaller (edited for clarity)

[grave siren]

At first I thought so too! But after watching the episode, I think the ||Path|| would find the coven on Brendok to be an abomination

[rocky tundra]

I agree, ||the Path|| would hate them.
Doesn’t mean they didn’t offshoot from them. 🤷‍♀️

Like how Lutherans offshot from Catholicism, and those guys really did not get along

[grave siren]

Great example!

[rocky tundra]

Also as an aside regarding the coven, I strongly suspect that the costume designer for this show was heavily influenced by 1600s European woodcuts while designing the witches’ day to day clothing.

There’s a lot of skirts going on that fold into the belt, or have excess gathering or pleats around the waist.
It makes me think the designer looked at old woodcuts /plates of witchcraft trials from the height of the witch craze in Europe.

[dense prawn]

I’m curious as to how this group being a brand new thing makes the SW universe feel smaller? To me it feels like the tip of an iceberg of things that we didn’t know

[grave siren]

I meant that connecting both this coven and the dathomian witches would make the galaxy feel smaller😭my fault fr im at work

[dense prawn]

Ahhhh k, yeah I’m glad they’re separate

[gaunt atlas]

less sewing/structuring, and in days before maternity shops, it allowed for changing bodies without needing new clothes. it makes sense for a group of women who would be cut off from the rest of society

[rapid lake]

Not all of them

Also they are dathomiri zabraks

The women of the dathomiri subspecies don't have horns

[dense prawn]

Ah true forgetting Morgan, but I always figured they were human

Then an iridonian zabrak might be another hint they’re not affiliated with the Nightsisters

[rocky tundra]

In Legends, the Dathomir witches were a hybrid mix of Iridonian Zabraks and Humans who settled on Dathomir, and the end result of their mixing was the Nightsisters, who have distinct sexual dimorphism where the men look like Zabraks and the women look more human.

But now in Canon, it seems like the colonizing Iridonian Zabraks and the colonizing Humans were also mixing with colonizing Nightsisters from Peridea.

Nightsisters who may possibly have encouraged the sexual dimorphism through magic, in order to keep the Nightsisters on Dathomir mostly looking as they did on Peridea, while still being able to breed with Zabraks and humans to make more of themselves.

As for Morgan specifically, I assumed her particular Nightsister bloodline just happened to have darker hair.

[dense prawn]

Both groups do seem to use force/thread-applied facial tattoos

[rocky tundra]

Both Mother Aniseya’s coven and the Nightsisters?

Yes.

But the styles are very different.

[dense prawn]

Yeah

[rocky tundra]

At least, the tattoos on Mother Aniseya and then Mae are different.

[dense prawn]

Oh yeah, I’m just thinking of how Morgan’s disappeared when the nightsisters were broken, and how Aniseya applied one to Mae

I’m guessing the tattoo spot/size changes depending on their status

[rocky tundra]

Different rules for different situations.

[dense prawn]

I don’t think I remember seeing the spiral tattoo on any of the other witches than Aniseya

[rocky tundra]

I can’t remember either.

[dense prawn]

I imagine might be a hint that they were definitely grooming Mae/Osha to take over

[rocky tundra]

Yes.
Another hint was having their Ascension Vows include that bit about taking over the coven after Mother Aniseya’s death. 😅

[dense prawn]

I was just thinking that

Have to wonder if they were planning to Jonestown or if that was just an unfortunate side effect of the Jedi showing up

[rocky tundra]

It’s certainly a possibility.

We can throw it on the theories pile, along with the dozen other things that might have happened when Osha wasn’t looking.

[dense prawn]

Doesn’t make sense for them to though, unless it was going to somehow transfer Aniseya’s consciousness to Mae or Osha or something

It’s the only thing I can think of that they might have been attempting that the Jedi would persecute them for. Their abilities shown thus far seem defensive/protective, mostly just force push

I’m sure or at least hope we’ll see what they’re capable of offensively when we get the other side of the incident

[rocky tundra]

They also have the “black eyes possession” trick.

Which, I suspect, is going to be used in a way that is very not okay.

[dense prawn]

Yeah true

[dense prawn]

Did the Nightsisters ever show the same trick? I can’t remember there being an instance of someone mind controlling a Jedi, only a Jedi mind tricking people and Sol’s seemingly having the ability to read minds

[rocky tundra]

The Nightsisters have used green light/smoke steroid magic to enhance a warrior’s physique, aggression and willingness to kill.

And I think they turned Morgan’s eyes black (maybe) in Ahsoka as part of their ritual to initiate and enhance her.

But I have no memory of them turning someone’s eyes black to flat out use them as a puppet against their will.

[dense prawn]

Thought so, definitely an interesting new power

It’s something you’d think both the Sith and Nightsisters would love to have known

[grand stream]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-elsbeth-for-dathomir-diana-lee-inosanto-star-wars-ahsoka-gif-14358238252270189460

Yes

[iron relic]

Okay, I just wanna say, I get why people don't like it, how harsh people are is a bit over the top. But my view on the show is actually fairly neutral, as someone who isn't super super crazy about keeping things pristine and how they were or if it is true star wars or not. Also, the star wars universe is huge, so like things are bound to be crazy.

I actually enjoyed the Acolyte. And tbh the only critique I have is that their story telling feels really bland and like they are just telling us everything in the most obvious way possible. It also, to me, doesn't feel as i guess as close to the characters. Though, otherwise I rather enjoyed it. Especially Episode three. :3

I am really excited to see more. I am glad they are branching out with new characters and such, but they still do need a lot of work for it to be "better for people" but also, its entertainment. I don't know why people are so harsh about it. I remember hearing that hatred is fueled by a passion, so, I am more constructive with my criticisms and talk about how it could improve rather than just dissing it randomly.

[barren oxide]

Most of it is clickbait. Negativity and outrage sells better than constructive criticism.
People are stupid too. The more people the stupider. Unfortunately social media enables people to be more.
(yes, I’m aware of the irony)

Oh, and people also think their opinions matter and the have the right to tell the world everything that comes to their mind. Again, I blame social media.

(like I did just now)

[mint kindle]

I have the right to tell whoever I want whatever I want. But there will be consequences.

I remember reading that over a decade ago. And it sticks with me.

[rancid burrow]

Yeah Social Media in general really kills the Brain so much it makes people really weird.

[real sparrow]

I'm still seeing people getting mad about the opening scene, which just makes me sad.

Apparently people's ability to analyse media has not progressed beyond Anakin Skywalker's circa 32BBY...

[dense prawn]

I was disappointed for about 30 seconds but then realised that it was a really good hook to start the murder mystery. But then I also realised, there was no way that was going to be the entirety of CAM’s involvement in the show. And finally I recognised that her being the star of the show was just an assumption I’d made and not a valid reason to trash the show

[quaint willow]

Yeah my coworker stopped watching the show after the first scene and I told him ||CAM would be back for flashback episodes|| and he said he would definitely binge watch once the entire show dropped then

[real sparrow]

If she was your only reason for watching I can see why it'd be disappointing, but if you're a Star Wars fan you can see why it really worked as a way to kill a Jedi.

You also can extrapolate from that and see why the Jedi stopped being deployed places and instead got sent out from the temple as needed.

[rancid burrow]

I was disappointed as well that they killed Trinity so fast like that I was looking forward to her character.

[cedar kernel]

IDK, I love CAM, but I also appreciate the writers making a bold decision like that and sticking with it. I'd be disappointed if she somehow how Darth Maul'd

[real sparrow]

I think the really important thing about it is that her character died because she tried to save someone else.

She was successful doing that, so not really much more you can hope for as a Jedi.

[pure rover]

Her character died because of ego/stupidity, and of course writing though..?

She's with friends, person says I want to kill you, trin does nothing

Mae beats up ALL of her friends while trinity does nothing again

After everyone is down she decides, oh maybe I should keep the peace like I'm supposed to

Then decides to save a bar keeper but not her friends

Then dies to a butter knife while we see reva, grand inquisitor, and sabine get stabbed with lightsabers and live. Where is the continuity?

What I can hope for of a jedi is not letting a killer beat up innocent people, it's in the name, peace keepers.

This is what happens when the studio purposely hires people who have never seen star wars, or even write for that matter

The unfortunate part is that this could have been believable if she's with actual combat fighters like republic bounty hunters

One line of dialog can fix it by adding in that one of the hunters says we'll take care of her, there's your reason for trinity to sit back AND setting up Mae as a legit threat

[real sparrow]

Or she doesn't think she's going to be attacked by a Sith apprentice because they haven't seen any of those in 800 years.

Also real weird that you assume that you wouldn't be friends with the bartender in your local TBH.

[main ivy]

The bartender is gonna be one of the first friends you make

[real sparrow]

Yeah, especially when it's a small town bar.

And, like, dude had his kid at work with him. That says a lot about the kind of place it is.

[main ivy]

Yup. It's definitely a 3rd place for that town

[grand stream]

A butter knife? Good Lord, learn weapons. Also, the three you mentioned took gut shots, not chest wounds.

[dense prawn]

Also lightsabers cauterise the wound, so you don’t bleed out

[real sparrow]

Getting stuck between the 3rd and 4th ribs is never a good situation.

[short ether]

https://tenor.com/view/movies-knight-flesh-wound-sarcasm-fight-gif-18332900967174497820

[real sparrow]

So any fun theories on why Mae keeps trying to grab lightsabers?

[gaunt atlas]

Because lightsabers are badass and she isn't able to build one herself?

[main ivy]

In the 2017 Vader comics by Charles Soule, ||Vader has to track down a Jedi who's taken the Barash Vow and kill him without a weapon and then take his saber so he can bleed the kyber before he is "worthy" of wielding a lightsaber again.||

So my theory is that we're seeing an earlier version of that.

[rocky tundra]

So the Jedi can’t brandish them, and thus force her to fight them with a weapon?

[real sparrow]

Yeah, that's my gut feeling too, but I'd love to hear more ideas.

[rocky tundra]

It might also be that she feels like she can’t really fight a Jedi holding a lightsaber at all, because all she has is sharp tiny knives.

[real sparrow]

I'm not sure that holds, since Indara used hers to defend against knives.

Also there seems to be a "without a weapon" imposition so perhaps she won't use the knives if she can disarm a Jedi?

That said, I think Master Torbin would 100% count if I was a shadowy evil figure who told traumatised kids to go murder people.

Convinced him to take poison you just happened to have? Great! What if he did it with handy cleaning products or his own lightsaber instead? Still a job well done. The words were what mattered.

[gaunt atlas]

I agree. She did not kill him with a weapon. She didn't kill him directly at all.

[real sparrow]

Also this is a very good point.

"Lightsaber collector" is clearly a thing you can just be in the universe. We've seen a few people making a good career out of it.

[rocky tundra]

There was absolutely a way that Mae could have verbally convinced Torbin to kill himself without offering him the poison.

But she’s not a master manipulator yet.

She couldn’t see a way to do it without putting the poison down in front of him and offering it as an option.
Thus, she used a weapon.

[main ivy]

It almost felt like she wanted to use the bunta poison specifically

She says she has to do this "her way", and I wonder if that ties back to the missing bits from the flashback

[rocky tundra]

Oh she absolutely chose bunta on purpose.

She wanted the poison to be tied to her home, and thus, Torbin’s crimes.

A bit melodramatic, but that’s mid-20s dark side assassins for you.

Also why Qimir took a look at it and went “bunta? Really??”

He knew she was trying to do a poetic vengeance thing.

[grand stream]

Also that she considered Osha dead/to have been killed by the Jedi, and the bunta tree is where Osha would run off to (i think theyre the same tree, anyway)

[real sparrow]

I think you are correct.

[rocky tundra]

Yes.
The final shot of episode 3 was Mae thinking Osha was surely dead.
Because Mae could always find Osha at that tree.
But this time, she wasn’t there.

[dense prawn]

“I locked my sister in a room in a tower and then started a fire outside the entrance, why isn’t she here at her usual spot?”

[real sparrow]

So that's the other theory I've seen floating around. Episode 3 might not be 100% representative of reality.

[rocky tundra]

In fairness Mae saw that Osha had gotten out of the room.
They were both standing on opposite sides of a breaking gangway.
Mae fell, and survived.
So she probably thought ‘If I survived, maybe Osha did too?”
And went to the tree as a last hope.
Which was then crushed.

[rocky tundra]

Entirely possible.

[real sparrow]

I think we can assume that some of the events do not line up perfectly based on Torbin's reaction.

[dense prawn]

True

[rocky tundra]

Well at this point it’s less “what we have seen isn’t the truth” and more “we have yet to see the whole truth.”

There are huge gaps in the story. They did that on purpose.

So we should be wary of the little gaps too.

For example: We saw Mae say she’d kill Osha. And yes, we saw her light the book with the Jedi picture on fire.

And then the door was on fire.

Seems pretty cut and dry that Mae threw the lit book against the door.

But we didn’t actually see her do that.

So do we really know how the door caught on fire?

[real sparrow]

Excellent points.

[rocky tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/knives-out-it-makes-no-damn-sense-compels-me-though-benoit-blanc-daniel-craig-gif-18728195

^For real, this is where my head has been the last few days. 😅

We need to know where everyone was, and what they did, and where they went next.

[real sparrow]

Nah see I'm coming at it from the other angle. It makes too much sense. It's very neatly presented as the Jedi showing up, asserting rights that don't apply, being reacted to with aggression and "evil" powers, then the child who went through with the ritual starts declaring she will kill people and that not being regarded as "just things children say" but something she must immediately act upon, and finally Sol just happening to be there to pull Osha to safety when everyone else was mysteriously dead?

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-wrapped-package-gif-10376508

Also worth remembering that Sol says to Osha "Mae is dead I saw her fall". Not "we saw her fall".

But we saw Osha seeing it.

[rocky tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[obtuse carbon]

IDK. We still need to meet the Master, I think he plays a big part in what happens.

[real sparrow]

We briefly saw him.

[obtuse carbon]

We see him, we don't meet him

[quaint willow]

... Seriously? I'm standing right here telling you I did it.

[real sparrow]

I think we're going to see very little of him, or else Mace Windu would be like "oh a Sith? Yoda, Oppo, Yarael, one of you old guys... go deal with it".

[gaunt atlas]

Assuming it's even a Sith.

[rocky tundra]

It’s a dentist.
We all saw the teeth.

[obtuse carbon]

Yeah, darkside user. I'm just... unconvinced they're on a random uninhabited planet. If there are twins created through the Force out there, surely that's going to draw attention of people wanting to train them their way. Did the Master hear of it and head there, and the Jedi were tracking the Master? Vice versa? I feel like one side knew they existed and went there to recruit, the other side just happened upon them.

[real sparrow]

I'm pretty sure that was the cave on Ahch-To just judging by the colour of the rocks.

[obtuse carbon]

Oh sorry, I meant when the Jedi were explaining that they thought the planet was uninhabited

[real sparrow]

I would put a small amount of money on it being a Sith, and another small amount of money on it being the Apprentice looking for an assassin to help kill his master.

[real sparrow]

Aaaah, fair. Yeah.

[rocky tundra]

If we’re on Ahch-To even for just five minutes, I would like to see some porgs please.

[real sparrow]

I don't care where we are, or for how long. PORGS NOW PLZ

[dense prawn]

With smiley talking about how delicious they are 😝

[rocky tundra]

If the writers want to demonstrate the evil of the Sith by having them hurt a porg or talk about hurting a porg I can’t stop them.

And it would be a quick way for that Sith to get on the 💩 list of every porg fan ever.

But I would like to see a live porg.

I mean there’s supposed to be a lot of them.

That’s why they exist.

Too many puffins.

[quaint willow]

What if the master is just dozens of porgs standing on each other's shoulds?

[rocky tundra]

They rip of the Sith’s cloak and the porgs all scream and scatter.

[main ivy]

which is ironic considering their status as an endangered species in Europe

[rocky tundra]

The puffins are working on it.

They’re trying their best to make more puffins.

Maybe we can buy some of them a nice dinner at an Italian restaurant.

With a romantic atmosphere. 😅

[dense prawn]

They’d probably like the soup/salad/bread sticks offer at Olive Garden 😝

[pure rover]

They also MELT organs

Quigon?

[grand stream]

Do they melt organs? Qui-Gon was stabbed through the solar plexus area and his spine and left there for several minutes.

[clear orbit]

I'm calling it now, those witches were killed by the Jedi

[pure rover]

I'll stick to strictly the movies

Sabers are hot enough to melt a steel door (2500F)

Melting point of amino acids is 500F I believe, every other component in the body besides bones is less than 500F to melt

Lightsabers are definitely the most inconsistent weapon in fiction since you can be nicked by it and be fine but power scaling heat output, that's what happens

[clear orbit]

It's the movies. 90% of the time wounds are rarely accurate to real life. Characters die when they need to and live jsut long enough when they need to for the story

[real sparrow]

I'm not not saying you're wrong, but I'm not NOT not not saying you're wrong.

Wait...

[real sparrow]

Duration of contact matters. Spend some time googling "latent heat capacity".

Or just watch the Mythbusters episode about the shrimp cannon.

[grave siren]

Gentle reminder that the laws of science from our galaxy may not entirely be similar in the galaxy far far away

[gaunt atlas]

Amino acids do not "melt". They can denature, but that's not really a thing in a human body because the thermal damage occurs before then.

[clear orbit]

They are definitely not, see ships in space lol

[cinder oasis]

i keep saying it's too easy to blame it on" evil Mae". i'm still going with Jedi or the Master, who manipulated Mae into thinking it's the Jedi.

like yea she's a psychopathic yandere, but we don't know she was a murderer as a child.

[gaunt atlas]

it may not even be manipulation. with so much happening all at once, she could be mistaken as to what actually happened, and the Master just goes with that and feeds it.

[pure rover]

In this example that is irrelevant due to time taken to melt the steel door, it took at the most a single second to melt the door & begin to move the saber around

At minimum mauls saber was in his stomach for 2 seconds

No math major but it's already 5x more deadly to humans based on melting temps, another 2x for time in the body. Buddy is COOKED lol

I have no issue with Trin dying to the throwing knife, but the issue is whenever someone dies from being stabbed, it shows the viewer it's over if that happens

Which has been reconned in the following several shows

So from the perspective of wanting good story telling, going back on that takes the audience out of the scene

We can ignore temps even though that's how you power scale things and yes it gets confusing on how the body handles it

But I'm just explaining why people hate how she died that way since people can suddenly survive lightsabers now

It's an issue from the other shows, not this shows fault AT ALL

[cinder oasis]

still a kind of manipulation though, yea? saying things a certain way that's technically the truth, but leads the other person in a certain direction.

[gaunt atlas]

yeah. Just saying that she may be the origination of the misconception, not the master. we don't know yet.

[clear orbit]

I think you are reading way to much into it tbh. Filmmakers don't care that much about the medical science of lightsabers vs knives or whatnot. They need the character to die in a certain way and so they do. You have to come at it with a certain amount of verisimilitude or many other things start to unravel

[pure rover]

Power scaling is ALWAYS looking too much into lol

But in universe continuity is a basic understanding of how things work so that I would disagree with

So yes once disney decided sabers don't kill you anymore, it unraveled, so you're right on that

[clear orbit]

Continuity is not always a thing that is looked after, especially between different shows/movies

[rancid burrow]

Also Reva got stabbed TWICE by Anakin and walked it off like nothing smh. They really need to stop doing that.

[grave siren]

Yeah a lot of it follows the rule of cool

[pure rover]

It's in universe... it is ALWAYS something to keep in check

[grave siren]

As much as I'd agree, I think us applying our own logic and perception from our universe's perspective is setting us up for disappointment

[pure rover]

I'm happy to discuss more in free for all, little off topic

[rancid burrow]

At least with Sabine they rushed her off to the hospital real quick when she got stabbed and stitched her up real good.

[grave siren]

Ahh didn't realize we have a new chat!

[cinder oasis]

people die when the writers want them to die 🤷🏽‍♀️ looking at you, Maul

[gaunt atlas]

this chat still encompasses Acolyte as a whole

[cinder oasis]

so the coven's extinction is important

[rancid burrow]

Theory: What if Darth Smiley is actually one of the Witches who died by the Jedi and wants revenge and it just using Mae for their own goals

[cinder oasis]

i told Jimmus i would actually dislike that. i don't want it to be their bio mom or something. i want it to be someone new with their own story and agenda.

[vital oxide]

This. Headline.

[main ivy]

Drop that link dude

[vital oxide]

https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/the-acolyte-star-wars-discourse-fandom

[frail trail]

People seem to forget, Star Wars is not just for them, it’s everyone’s and the stories should match as such

[vital oxide]

Of course they do. Because we’ve made a society where everyone is right about everything all the time and everything must be made to MY specifications or else is trash.

[pure rover]

Oof

[vital oxide]

Nah mate.

You aren't going to continue the same BS you started in another thread.

[grand stream]

Disney didn't decide that.

[pure rover]

What did I do? I didn't rate it

[vital oxide]

But you know exactly the types of people who did, and know that there is a smear campaign going on for the show.

[gaunt atlas]

don't play that "what did I do?" you know exactly what you're doing.

[vital oxide]

Posting that is disingenuous at best, and downright dishonest at worst.

"What did I do?" Cmon mate. You know exactly what you're doing.

[frail trail]

It doesn’t prove anything. We know it’s getting review-bombed

[pure rover]

General discussion includes the good and ugly

Positive review bombing is also a thing

[vital oxide]

One review is positive review bombing?

I...

What

Please...

[rancid burrow]

DAYUM it’s at 16% now??

Ooof

[vital oxide]

16 fake internet percentage points

Yes.

[pure rover]

I can get more if you'd like

But acknowledging there's positive and negative bombing is the first step yes

[rocky tundra]

First step to what? Deliberately not having a good time watching a show because of what other people do?

[frail trail]

Write the narrative how you want.

[vital oxide]

Look mate. I'm going to be real honest with you here.

[frail trail]

Everyone stop enjoying the show.

[grand stream]

The first step is to realize that those numbers are meaningless.

[rancid burrow]

So far for me the show is 6/10 but damn 16% is crazy tho

[gaunt atlas]

Yelp for TV

[pure rover]

Was the score for Mando S1&2 meaningless?

Youre confusing me

If we want something to be better, we talk about how

That's how they improve, what's the issue??

Like I hate the first part of empire, it's slow

Doesn't mean I hate the entire movie

[rancid burrow]

Mando 1 and 2 are still amazing in my book, can’t say the same for 3 unfortunately

[main ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/grogu-ig-11-ig-12-no-yes-gif-15567691597659879690

[pure rover]

The main witch movie, she's a great actress, but her dialog about how the thread isn't a weapon then uses it as a weapon with force push is terrible

It's OKAY to mention inconsistency

[vital oxide]

@frail trail and I have run this place pretty successfully catering to every Star Wars fan for quite some time now.

We work really hard to make sure that this place is welcoming to everyone. But the constant disingenuous arguments coming from you do not mix well with the community that we have built here. Everyone that comes in here with this attitude of "I just want to talk" or "I'm just asking questions and promoting discussion" has an alterior motive.

You do too. Don't sugar coat it. Don't hide from it. Just say it. Its fine. We get it. You're not surprising any of us.

You have two options.

1. Be able to engage in a discussion without pushing an agenda.
2. Be called out constantly by those who see your comments for what they actually are, and have seen time and time again in this community.

The ball is in your court, @pure rover.

[pure rover]

Lady*

@vital oxide

Where is the channel where I can discuss criticism freely

I'm apart of every star wars fan you mentioned

[gaunt atlas]

you are not discussing criticism freely. we can all see through that.

you are not the first, you will not be the last, and every single one is blatant as hell.

[vital oxide]

You are not being critical.

You're pushing an agenda.
You're quoting RT reviews when there is VERY public smear campaign happening and review-bombing going on.

You're screaming at a wall of people who are enjoying the show, and engaging in discussion about the show. Telling them HEY THIS SUCKS. CAN'T YOU SEE IT SUCKS AND THIS IS WHY?

**Wonder why that isn't working? **

[frail trail]

Theres a difference between not liking certain things and discuss it and just continually taking a crap on everything

[grave siren]

Darth Smileyface Toothman boutta be the friends we made along the way 😔naw but in all seriousness I agree with this heavily. I'm still thinkin it's Qimri, but I feel like it'd be an evil twin of his

[pure rover]

I repeat, where can I talk about criticism

It's great you love the show

I like PARTS of the show

Youre a mod, don't scream at me please

[vital oxide]

Darth Smileyface Toothman...God damnit.

[grave siren]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I THINK ALEXIS CAME UP W IT FR I LOVE IT

[vital oxide]

Oh mate....you think I'm screaming at you?

Also, if you're going to passive aggressively insult me, get my title right.

Its Server Admin and Owner

[rocky tundra]

I have also heard ‘Darth Teefs’ and ‘Darth Toofers’.

All names are good.

[rancid burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-colbert-popcorn-3d-glasses-watching-eating-gif-17602628

[pure rover]

Can I get an answer admin please

[vital oxide]

Ah. There it is.

[frail trail]

Loud noises.

[wet pond]

I came for the acolyte, stayed for… whatever this is

[grave siren]

(YERRRRRR KING SHITTTTT BABY Talk your shit king🫡)

[rancid burrow]

Yeah things escalated real quickly lmaoo

Welcome to Star Wars

[pure rover]

It wouldn't be anything if my FFA wasn't locked

Gray and I were chilling

[grave siren]

Would be wild if his alter ego is a dentist ngl😭Palpy=chancellor, Plageus=banker, Smileyface Toothman= orthodontist

[vital oxide]

O_O

THANKS FOR THAT NIGHTMARE FUEL @grave siren

Rushes to scratch my dentist appointment off the calender forever

[dense prawn]

I’m pretty sure my dentist is a Jedi, at the least he tells me my teeth are beautiful

[grave siren]

LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE HAS A CAVITY ignites cavity slayer 5000

[vital oxide]

;LKASDJF;POLAISKDJHFP;OASLIDKJFAO;LSDIKFJHASEDF

[rocky tundra]

This mysterious Sith wouldn’t even be the first psycho dentist in movie/show history.

https://tenor.com/view/bill-murray-dentist-littleshop-gif-22576567

[vital oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/aaa-triggered-scream-gif-16843937

[rocky tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/punch-punching-dentist-steve-martin-little-shop-of-horrors-gif-15985863

[grave siren]

Love me a good jack-of-all-trades villain fr king sh*t

[grave siren]

LFKDOSOSOooOoooooOOO I LOVE THIS

[obtuse carbon]

I do have an earnest question.. Especially in regard to the Acolyte trailer... has there been a Disney show in recent history where the TEASER trailers weren't complete misleads of the entire show? Loki... Mandalorian, Kenobi... Why would anybody expect it to be any different?

[frail trail]

We all honestly know how this discussion is going to go every week right?

[obtuse carbon]

Acolyte is awesome and I can't wait for more

[grave siren]

It kinda makes me happy ngl. I feel like modern trailers give away too much fr. I also love that the trailers tend to only include footage from earlier episodes

Which means

There's so much

We haven't seen

AhHHHHHHHHHHhhHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[rocky tundra]

I feel like it’s a recent trend in an effort to bring back the element of surprise.
It’s been a long time since the ending of The Sixth Sense blew everyone’s mind.

We expect things now.
They have to take a hard left swerve to throw us off balance and make us feel surprise again.

[gaunt atlas]

my partner was so turned off trailers after Ragnorak gave away Hulk in the trailer. I try to explain that SW don't give away ANYTHING now

[rancid burrow]

That’s why I don’t watch other trailers or clips because they show too much I haven’t seen

[obtuse carbon]

"And the winner is....Seabiscuit"

[grave siren]

Exaaactly I usually avoid trailers all together. I like going into the show/film with zero pre-conceived expectations fr

[dense prawn]

Dumbledore kills Snape?

[rocky tundra]

That also happened awhile ago. 😅

[obtuse carbon]

Ansley loves trailers, I avoid them. She'll watch them on her phone in private 😛

[rancid burrow]

It should only be 1 trailer and 1 clip minimum but since it’s Star Wars they want people invested so I get it but still

[grave siren]

AHHHH I USED TO DO THE SAME. Sometimes it killed the thrill for me tho😔 thENN AGAINNNN my philosophy morphed into: your hopes can't get let-down if they were never high to begin with🤭 @obtuse carbon

[rocky tundra]

They did that with Tales of the Empire.
Only the one trailer.
But admittedly it was a short anthology, so that’s probably why they felt ok with limited advertising.

[rancid burrow]

I do hope they make a Tales of the Sith one day🤞

[grave siren]

That'd be gnarly!

I still think the show would be an incredible way to air any of the cancelled arcs from TCW

[rancid burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/swtor-knights-of-the-old-republic-the-old-republic-star-wars-the-old-republic-swtor-sith-gif-23700482

[rocky tundra]

‘Tales of the Bounty Hunters’ would work well for the never completed Boba Fett / Cad Bane shootout.

[grave siren]

AHHHHHH THE OLD REPUBLIC TRAILERS WERE JAW-DROPPING

[grave siren]

IT'D ADD MORE MEANING TO THEIR REUNION IN BOOK OF BOBA

[rancid burrow]

YES they still need to show that showdown on screen 🙏

[rancid burrow]

Right! They’re so fire

[grave siren]

I just wanna see the stolen kyber crystal arc ._. Seeing Anakin and Obi-Wan's lil heart-to-heart about Ahsoka leaving>>>>>>>>

ANDDDDD I'D LOVE TO SEE DARK DISCIPLE ANIMATED. I figured that was the direction they were going when ||Ventress|| made a cameo in ||Bad Batch||

[rocky tundra]

Likewise

We are getting a bit off topic from The Acolyte though.

https://x.com/camray/status/1801007607848530096?s=46&t=IItPmx-4WSwYiaHXaAPcqQ

Cam Ray Semiproductions (@camray) on X

Here’s my contribution to the #YordHorde.

Figured I’d take a post off of @tommy_stella’s shoulders since he is a full-time Yordster now…

@StarWars @OfficialAcolyte #StarWars #TheAcolyte

Twitter · Jun 12, 2024, 9:44 PM

Here’s a Yord pun to get back on track. 😅

[grave siren]

Yord Horde LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[cinder oasis]

i don't love spoilers, i like previews and theorizing xD

god, i missed everything sitting in traffic

[amber wind]

I remember watching the trailer for Prometheus and it was the whole movie

[dense prawn]

Acolyte was pretty good in breaking up pieces of the first two episodes and making it seem like they take place all across the show

[real sparrow]

I was gonna post that and then thought "nah, too inflamatory".

[dense prawn]

I was a bit surprised like 90% of what was in the trailers was parts of the first two episodes

But pleasantly surprised

[amber wind]

The trailers for the Acolyte introduced the setting, set the mood, and didn't give too many plot details. Exactly how trailers should be

[real sparrow]

I actually don't even remember the trailers.

[rocky tundra]

Something something hunting jedi…something something jedi martial arts…

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-dark-side-complete-something-something-darth-vader-gif-26381940

[dense prawn]

Jedi kung fu

[rocky tundra]

Yes

[dense prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-matrix-keanu-reeves-neo-gif-fu-gif-14276232

[shell shell]

You're a I actually don't even remember the trailers.

You're a Jedi kung fu

[dense prawn]

I am? Awesome!

[amber wind]

The smear campaign is so obvious this time. They've overplayed their hand with the bad faith arguments. The show is actually good. I'm not a big fan of the ST, I was disappointed with Kenobi and BoBF, but I genuinely like The Acolyte. It is fresh and well written. It's obvious a lot of thought was put into it. The RT audience score is so disconnected and obviously not genuine. I feel like this might be the point where most people begin to really recognize that there's a fringe subset of the fandom that wants Star Wars to fail.

[grave siren]

Only thing goin thru my mind was the "uhhhh oHHHHHH" ithorian dude from Star Wars Robot Chicken🤣🤣

[shell shell]

You're a I am? Awesome!

[vital oxide]

Best part of that smear campaign is that there are people review bombing a mid 2000s movie called Acolyte as well....like cmon...you aren't even trying to hide it.

[cinder oasis]

and the preview we got at the end of TPM was pretty much most of the Indara fight anyways hahaha

[rancid burrow]

https://youtu.be/-caL_Fhsr4U?si=BhFL_y2YMviz0ycQ

Yo they made this into a song??
Lmao

[vital oxide]

Why is that funny

[real sparrow]

On the rare occasions that I engage with them I point out that it makes lots of money, and by their own professed standards of capitalism being the best way to divide resources via market choice that makes it objectively good.

It generates some entertaining rage.

[rancid burrow]

Because it’s so random and unexpected to make the power of two into a pop song

[vital oxide]

Its actually a really good song...

I was kinda shocked tbh lol

[grave siren]

Love me some victoria monet fr ikdr

[rancid burrow]

This is the first time I hear about it lol

[rocky tundra]

I thought at first it was the witches’ ritual song about the power of one, two, many, etc.
Turns out it was not.

I liked it though.
V smooth, good to listen to while processing work tickets.

[grave siren]

I didn't even know they were releasing music fr adds to playlist

Small tangent: I'd love to see a story about the Jedi who pursued becoming famous singers. It was lightly touched on in a few of the HR books

Imagine A Star Is Born-esque star wars story. Would be fun idk idk

[rocky tundra]

There is precedent in Star Wars with musicians and singers being a present part of the world.

Not sure if we’ll walk through a nightclub with a live band in this particular show, but you never know.

[dense prawn]

That’s probably proof right there of bots downvoting the show. They can’t distinguish so bomb it too

[rancid burrow]

Disney would love that lol

[real sparrow]

People who are getting mad about what they are told to get mad about and not having any attachment to the franchise they are brigading are famously terrible at making sure their targeting the right thing.

[clear orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111

[rapid lake]

Lol

[mint kindle]

I missed out on a lot but needed you to know this made me laugh so hard I snorted. And I really needed that.

[frail trail]

Oh, it would have got funnier if the Channel went more south.

[mint kindle]

I still haven't read everything. But want to tell everyone I'm really digging this series and I didn't think I would.

Every episode keeps getting better.

Oo trailers were mentioned!

[grave siren]

ITS
SO
GOOD
AHHHHhhhHHHHHHHHGhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhHhhHHHHHH

[mint kindle]

The Acolyte trailers were what turned me off initially.

I'm not into fights-only media.

And to me that's what was in those. But god the show is so much more!

[grave siren]

AND WE'RE ONLY THREE EPISODES INNNN AHHHHHHHHhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[mint kindle]

Omg this is FIRE!

Did the whole song get posted and I missed it?

[grave siren]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the HR multi-media initiative's easily my favorite piece of Disney star wars thus far (aside from andor). Feels like sucha breath of fresh air

[mint kindle]

I'm one of THOSE Andor fanatics.

But maybe not as bad as I accept people not liking things... I mean disliking Andor seems wrong but I'll respect your wrong opinion.
: p

Bahaha sorry. I'll put my little brat self away.

[grave siren]

FUNNY ENOUGH, I REMEMBER RAGGING ON ANDOR BEFORE IT CAME OUT. I didn't see the point in giving a minor character an entire show. I felt it was a waste of resources just chasing the Rogue One hype

But boy was I wrong

Ended up being my favorite show of the year

[mint kindle]

PS I accept being smacked by Disney park map brochures as punishment.

[grand stream]

This was me. I didn't even like Cassian for 3/4 of Rogue One, so I was not going into Andor with a great attitude. And while it's not my favorite Star Wars show, it's still very good.

[exotic escarp]

Well, just finished the three episodes!

To be honest, I'm not a fan. But not for the reasons the SW fans are screaming about. It has a couple really neat things going for it, but I just feel like the core of it us just... off. Outside of the message it wants to bring, the storytelling is just... poor. And I think some of the acting isn't great.

I feel like it just could have been much better than it is. I don't think it's bad, I don't think it's good, I feel like it's just... meh? Will see how I feel after the other episodes.

The set pieces and designs though. Those are

[rancid burrow]

Okay if this was DAVE’s Call then it makes more sense now because I figured if since the Galaxy is MASSIVE then they’re more than just Nightsisters

[exotic escarp]

They seemed like a pretty cool take on things

But I wish there was more showing and less exposition on what they were about/did

[rancid burrow]

I completely agree but I’m still gonna watch the rest of the show to judge it as a whole but right now it’s not hitting that well.

[rancid burrow]

I also wanna see these Witches in battle, curious to see how exactly powerful they are compared to Nightsister Magic

[exotic escarp]

It's far too telegraphed to be the mystery it's trying to be

[rancid burrow]

I really like Sol tho I hope they don’t kill him off

(The Squid Game Guy)

[exotic escarp]

Yeah. He's one of the few I like

[vital oxide]

Hard to say that without seeing the whole show tbh.

But I’m also trying to peg who called it a mystery in the first place. Was that anyone involved with with project?

[exotic escarp]

Have others been calling it that? Didn't know. Went into this mostly blind.

It's very structured like one though. And in general, all of the intrigue and story beats have just been incredibly predictable to me.

[vital oxide]

I think people expected a murder mystery and we’re instead getting a “what really happened here to cause X events” ‘mystery’ story.

But what do I know? 🤣

[exotic escarp]

It very much opened up as a murder mystery in the first 5 minutes, but didn't do a good job of holding the intrigue. But even if it's just about the what really happened... it's been pretty obvious imo xD

Like I just feel in general, at least from this first half of the show, it could have been done better in terms of structure. Too much exposition, not enough showing. Things being a bit too obvious. A problem of identity where it's trying hard to keep in a pg rating when it would have been way more interesting if it hadn't been.

Who knows though! Maybe the next episodes will suddenly change. That's the trend for me to this point

[grand stream]

He gives off Qui-Gon vibes...which doesn't exactly bode well for his survivability.

https://tenor.com/view/sol-the-acolyte-lee-jung-jae-star-wars-jedi-gif-7972880801785569438

[exotic escarp]

Oooof

[vital oxide]

The show has a 3 season arc.

Let’s see what happens shall we.

[exotic escarp]

Ya

[grand stream]

https://tenor.com/view/qui-gon-jinn-gif-8365188770018261079

Even the framing is similar

[grand stream]

Does it? I thought they were approaching it with a "Let's do the first season and hopefully we get more, but if not we told our story" mentality.

[pure rover]

That OP is brain dead what

[rancid burrow]

That’s why I like him 🔥

[barren oxide]

It‘s not the best show on the planet and I agree that the pacing is somewhat off. But it explores pre-Clone Wars Jedi, which is nice. It definitely doesn’t deserve the outcry and the ratings. I mean, between the 107th CSI and the 296th hospital series it is a shining gem of entertainment.

[quaint willow]

My dude it is too early for all this shouting. 🤣

[cedar kernel]

Don’t you dare

[vital oxide]

https://x.com/vadersorder/status/1801661125785976933?s=46

Vader's Order (@VadersOrder) on X

It's like poetry, it r- PLEASE DO NOT RHYME #TheAcolyte

Twitter · Jun 14, 2024, 5:01 PM

[gaunt atlas]

There was a lot of comparison early on calling it a "Twin Peaks detective story", and making that a favorable comparison.

[real sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/there-it-is-well-there-it-is-gif-8569483

[grave siren]

I wonder how Torbin reached the rank of Master so quickly🤔

He seemed to have done it within six years. He must've been pretty prolific!

[rapid lake]

Vern did too AFAIK

[amber wind]

Wasn't ep3 16 years before ep1 and 2?

[grave siren]

I think Vern became a knight at sixteen, but I don't remember her reaching the rank of Master (to be fair, i haven't finished Defy the Storm or Temptations of the force yet)

[grave siren]

Yep! And we know he took the Barash Vow about a decade prior to current events

[amber wind]

Oh right

[grave siren]

Annnnnnd 16 years ago prior he was a padawan. Had to have been a knight for like 3 minutes LMFAOOOO

[rapid lake]

I might be misremembering I thought I heard that's how they plan to end her story in the books or something

Idk

[grave siren]

It'd make sense! Especially with her abilities. Her reaching the rank of Knight at such a young age just shows she has a knack for excelling

[grave siren]

I could see her reaching the rank of Master either because of her innovation of the Light Whip, or due to her abilities of having visions during hyperspace (i'm unsure if we have a name for such force abilities yet)

[rapid lake]

Yea

[grand stream]

After about 5 years of him not speaking to anyone or breaking his vow, the Council decided, "Eh, f[QUACK] it, that's good enough, he's a Jedi Master."

[gaunt atlas]

that could be. the Jedi at this farflung temple just assumed he was a master since who else would be so stoic?

[dense prawn]

Only a master could grow such a luxurious beard

[grave siren]

A wild way to get a promotion 🤣🤣
Jedi 1: $5 says he'll crack if we make him a master
Jedi 2: Sheeeeeet let's find out🤨

[rocky tundra]

Ironically, being made a Master would probably have made Torbin feel even more guilty.

He probably felt like he didn’t deserve it after what happened (whatever the heck happened).

So he retreated even further into non-interaction.

And the Olega Jedi were like “Wow, he didn’t crack. He really is the GOAT!”

So much irony.

[main ivy]

*I think Vernestra was knighted at 15

[dense prawn]

Torbin was like “gotta spend all my time focusing on my beard”

https://tenor.com/view/mabuhay-beard-life-gif-14373332

[main ivy]

Vern should have made master when the guardian protocols took effect, but she went AWOL instead

[quaint willow]

Awol you say? Like maybe off to learn the mysteries of the sith awol?

[main ivy]

Nope lol. She ||helped a small fishing colony and then went to live on a planet with some bird dudes before setting off to find her padawan||

[quaint willow]

Likely story

[wary sequoia]

So haven’t seen this show yet, but a friend in my discord was posting a funny meme thing showing that this show is rated lower than the Holiday Special, and a small blurb about how “bad” it is…

Possible opening spoilers?

||basically, it says the show opens up with a bar fight, and a Jedi is killed with a “regular @** knife”.

I’m just…”yeah, they aren’t psychic and are just still mortal folks?” At most they can try to pre-cog what folks are doing, but the more you add…such as a bar fight…the harder that gets? Like…what is the issue here?? ||

[dense prawn]

The “problem” is that the cast is largely non-white, and the Jedi aren’t invincible gods with plot armor like Anakin/Obi/Luke

Another problem is looking at Rotten Tomatoes ratings as at all valid

[wary sequoia]

RT is a useful “glance” at what folks think, but yes, I tell folks it’s a flawed idea.

All it REALLY tells you is “this percentage of people out of this number of people said a negative thing (maybe)”

[dense prawn]

There’s quite obviously a campaign to review bomb it, even other shows/movies from decades ago that have Acolyte in the name are suddenly dropping in ratings

Is the show perfect? No. Is it good? Yes

[wary sequoia]

Agreed. As I said, not seen it myself, and I don’t think my buddy has any malice himself (he will post things that just appear to be funny, and he doesn’t seem to have strong feelings in SW one way or another), but it bugs me to see folks going “well a Jedi can’t die to a normal knife!”

Just to show the convo that I was showed…CW: slightly naughty language.

|| https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/284022446091141122/1251900979310362734/image.png?ex=66704324&is=666ef1a4&hm=55de6a9ab623a3589c393c24e8613d0bc5b3e3f0cf3a92b7087ce97364004f4e& ||

[dense prawn]

lol that sums up every negative review. “I haven’t actually watched to form an opinion of my own, but in my opinion, it’s the worst thing ever in the history of ever”

[cinder oasis]

i don't understand the idea that a Jedi can't die by knife. they all wear light armor, by game mechanics. leather at best haha if they're distracted and already using the Force elsewhere, why couldn't they?

do i think she fell over a bit easy with not a lot of blood, yea. do i think her death could be a lie and the Jedi are trying to set a trap for Mae, yea.

none of that negates that a Jedi COULD die by knife

[dense prawn]

I mean it’s a move straight out of the Obi show. Threaten an innocent to distract the Jedi

They’re not gods, they can only focus on a few things at a time

[wary sequoia]

I mean, I’m not dumping on the show myself :p

[dense prawn]

Anakin’s power level and plot armor really skewed how people view other Jedi

[cinder oasis]

oh totally haha but i have seen that argument from the haters and it's so frustrating

[wary sequoia]

I know. Hehe

Just found it funny

[obtuse carbon]

The problem is the echo chamber. You're going to get the feedback you want when you go looking for it.

[cinder oasis]

but i also say that if Mae is a psychopathic yandere, so is Anakin.

and only one is a confirmed killer xD

[dense prawn]

All I can say is, watch it yourself rather than relying on what someone else says about it. Even us lol

[obtuse carbon]

I dislike the argument that Jedi are this unkillable thing when they die all the time. The reasons their "lessons" get so repeated is because of how many Jedi fall when they forget their training.

Jedi die. They make mistakes.

Getting a dagger thrown into your chest in a moment of weakness is not some totally unthinkable thing, she lived her last moments saving another life. The Jedi way.

[real sparrow]

Blood doesn't really come out until you remove the knife. That's why you're supposed to leave things in place for puncture wounds.

[obtuse carbon]

That's true with certain blades. Not true with these daggers. They the width of the puncture and a knob at the end. If it goes in deep enough, there's enough space to flow out when the wound is wider than the thing that's plugging it. Check out twisted blades as an example

[real sparrow]

They look like pretty standard triangular blades TBH.

[wary sequoia]

But yeah, I plan to watch it SOME day, if I ever managed to get caught up.

I just am abhorred by the idea of “this is badly written” when, no, it’s your perception that is bad.

[real sparrow]

Yeah you don't get a knife to go past the tang usually.

[wary sequoia]

A bar fight is a lot of people causing a lot of chaos and disarray all at once. It’s just not feasible for a single Jedi to “predict” every action

[rocky tundra]

And on top of wounds not always bleeding fast until you pull the weapon out, the simple truth is this is a tv show.
And with the exception of Ponda Baba’s arm in A New Hope, Star Wars movies/shows don’t traditionally show blood in large quantities.
They keep it in small amounts.

[obtuse carbon]

"Long lost twins" coughs in Luke and Leia If they don't like that story, ohhhhhh boy.

[real sparrow]

In fact, looking at the scene again it doesn't even get as far in as the tang, that roughness on the grip seems to have provided enough friction to leave an inch or more of edge exposed.

[obtuse carbon]

They also move things with their minds.

[wary sequoia]

Haha, the ole “long lost twins” trick. Gets em every time

[obtuse carbon]

It's an on-screen death in a Star Wars Disney+ show. I'm genuinely wondering what people are expecting. Decapitation? Elevator doors opening in the shining?

[wary sequoia]

I vote for the elevator doors myself

[rocky tundra]

Clearly someone needs to be drawn and quartered.

“I’ve had it up to here with Ewoks.” 😅

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qanBnogRS0M

[obtuse carbon]

Because I know the first thing I do when I want to watch some realistic television is throw on some science fiction!

[grand stream]

If any at all. The inconsistency with lightsaber wounds started basically because Lucas wanted Luke to lose a hand without the moving suddenly getting slapped with an R rating, as it would if someone gets their hand chopped off. That would bleed A LOT.

[grand stream]

Heck, decapitation in Star Wars is generally handled in a fairly tasteful way, relatively speaking.

[quaint willow]

The tomatoes can deceive you, don't trust them

[rocky tundra]

Luckily we get to pave over the one original inconsistency from Poda Baba’s arm with the addendum that Aqualish blood resists cauterization.

…don’t think about it too hard. 😛

[quaint willow]

It's entertainment. Just sit back and enjoy it.

Don't stop and wonder if the characters on Friends or Sex and the City or How I Met Your Mother can afford their NYC housing.

[grave siren]

Yeah the biggest thing is that Jedi are not infallible or omnipotent. Although they have demi-god abilities, they are still susceptible to hunger, pain, sickness, fatigue, deception, confusion, etc (depending on the species). If anything, Jedi are more prone to experiencing these things compared to other Galactic citizens because they are continually placed in dire situation.

From a meta standpoint, writing Jedi to be immune to everything is just playing into the Superman Paradox. Even if it's rad seeing superman kick ass every single time, it inadvertently makes watching him pretty boring in the long-run

[amber wind]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-lightsaber-fight-palpatine-kill-jedi-masters-palpatine-evil-darkside-goooood-dew-it-old-man-palps-execution-unlimited-power-gif-10298579073197037970

A Jedi master being stabbed slowly by an old man

They love that movie though

[grand stream]

Also, love how people rag on how "lightsabers are hot enough to cut steel, they should melt internal organs!" Yeah, by that logic, they should 1) melt the HILT they come out of, and 2) set clothes ON FIRE just by being near. The Star Wars universe has highly inconsistent physics. See George Lucas's quote about how there's air in space when he wants there to be air in space.

[grave siren]

(A copy + paste of something I posted a few days back) I work in healthcare, and I've seen tons of people survive getting stabbed/shot/impaled in the abdomen. The biggest concern for me is what was punctured internally, and the object it punctured with. I'd assume that because lightsabers are beams of plasma, anything stabbed by it will instantaneously be cauterized, which is a good thing compared to the alternative. Definitely boosts chances of survival. That isn't a thing with the usual puncture wounds from non-cauterizing objects (knives, bullets, forks, shanks, anything pointy), which could lead to internal bleeding, impairment of what was stabbed, and something called sepsis. Regardless, it all depends on what exactly was punctured. Important to note that their universe is renowned for it's medical advancements, especially in biomedical engineering with cybernetics, something we have only scratched the surface of within our own universe

[amber wind]

Lightsabers are hot when they need to be and cool when they don't need to be. They aren't based on any real physics and if they really existed they would pass right through one another and immediately set any flammable items around them ablaze

Including the robes of the Jedi wielding them

[cinder oasis]

i mean.... they're powered by magical Force crystals that can be bled, soooooo xD

[amber wind]

Yeah they're magic. This is fantasy

[cinder oasis]

that's what i'm saying.

[grave siren]

Random fun fact: According to our understanding of sciences in our universe, there is no sound in space. I remember reading somewhere that in the AGFFA universe, ships automate the expected sounds around them (laser fire, ships zooming past, etc) in order to orientate the crew/passengers

[real sparrow]

There's also the weird statistical anomaly where the most likely way to die from a stab wound is when you have exactly one, or 20+. Get stabbed two or three times and you're probably fine.

I believe it's an artefact of attacker skill and motivation though.

[amber wind]

A lightsaber will do whatever the plot demands

[grave siren]

Sucha hilarious study in hindsight. A group of researchers were like "bro...what are the chances we get stabbed again"

[real sparrow]

I liked the KoTOR rationalisation that the ancient Sith Lords had to be amazing duelists because lightsabers weren't as good, therefore it was an attrition fight.

[amber wind]

I was reading the earlier discussion. Why do people think Jedi can't be killed by "regular" knives? Do they think they're vampires?

[obtuse carbon]

Internet trolls hating to hate

[cinder oasis]

cause they want a reason to dislike Acolyte lolll

[grave siren]

Very true. In all honesty, I think lightsabers might be the most consistent thing we've seen in star wars. If you swing a katana at someone with little applied force (a light swing) i'm sure you wouldn't slice directly through them. Now if you swing a sword with all your might (a heavy swing), the chance of you cutting them in half is higher

[amber wind]

You see Jedi getting killed by the dozen by battle droids and clone troopers, none of which are force sensitive assassins

[grave siren]

Exactly. Two things are at play: A jedi vs. a single battle droid? Jedi would win. A jedi vs. a few hundred battle droids? Battle droids have a higher chance of winning. The goal wasn't entirely to make all-powerful war machines, victory was in overwhelming a Jedi

We see it time and time again in TCW. RIP to my dawg Master Ima-Gun Di

[cinder oasis]

Aayla was killed by only a few 😭 she was caught off guard, i know. i'm still sad loll

so if blasters can work

[grave siren]

We also know too that utilizing the force draws upon a lot of energy from the user. It depletes. It's probably the most translatable video game mechanic fr. We see Obi-Wan decide to conserve his Force when fleeing from arrest on Cato Nemodia

[amber wind]

I think there were a lot of subtleties to the fight between Mae and Indara. Mae was trying her best to kill Indara, but Indara was holding back. Indara didn't initially take the threat seriously and later when she discovered it was Mae she was emotionally off balance.

[grave siren]

LOVE ME SOME AAYLA🥺Honestly it's the same w KAM. Seeing his face when he realized his troops turned on him during the Battle of Mygeeto😔im in spain (the s is silent)

[grave siren]

I can't even front: Indara would've mopped the floor with Mae LMFAOOOOOOOOOO AS MUCH AS I RAG ON INDARA, SHE'S THE EPITOME OF FAFO

[amber wind]

I think she lost because it was Mae, either through being shaken by the past or intentionally losing due to guilt like Torbin.

If it were anyone else she would have mopped the floor with them

So there's a lot more to it than "a bar fight", but I guess that doesn't matter to people looking for a reason to hate on it without even watching.

[rocky tundra]

They used to hate it. It was a Prequel, and the Prequels were bad.

Then time passed, and new media gave them something new to hate, and suddenly the Prequels and George Lucas were no longer abominable.

[obtuse carbon]

I think the "voices" in media have also changed. I grew up with the prequels. They were always awesome to me. People in media and with voices who are my age probably also grew up loving them, and all the OT voices who "hated" anything new were silenced by the louder voices. You can call it "ahead of its time" but I think grownups are grumps 😉

[rocky tundra]

And by that logic when the generation who is growing up with the Sequels and the Disney Plus shows gets older, the hate will dissipate (possibly in favor of hating something newer again. 😑)

It’s a cycle, and one I have little patience for.

[main ivy]

Maybe the next generation will break the cycle.

There are plenty of us who grew up loving the prequels who also loved the sequels.

The haters are just very loud and we're busy actually enjoying Star Wars so it seems like there's more of them

[rocky tundra]

I hope the cycle breaks.

Seeing the Prequels get ragged on and then watching it happen again to the next trilogy, etc has been tiresome.

I prefer the Prequels to the Sequels, but Sequel hate makes my eyes glaze over just because we’ve heard it all before.

Nothing new under the sun.

[main ivy]

Yes.

I like the sequels more than the prequels despite being the "right" age for the prequels but we all know my favorite Star Wars movies are the books anyway lmao

[rocky tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/belle-beauty-and-beast-singing-books-book-store-gif-7295424

[main ivy]

I've noticed that a lot of people who are very loud about hating the sequels and the TV shows either weren't around for the prequel hate or seem to have forgotten how bad it was

[obtuse carbon]

Even Mark Hamill

[main ivy]

(or are just grifter alt right trolls who make money off their rage bait)

[rocky tundra]

That too

But the memory loss is real, and also tiresome.

[main ivy]

Totally

[rocky tundra]

Like it was just a fashion trend, and not maybe a lesson for how to be better in the future.

[wary sequoia]

This, so much THIS. I constantly see folks complaining and whining about the ST, and I keep going “people used to say this about the prequels, but now suddenly those are “good” “

[rocky tundra]

Or if not good, at least ‘better’.

But they wouldn’t have been caught dead saying that 2 decades ago.

Anyway, here’s a comic with Jecki giving Yord grief.