S3 Episode 7 Discussion

[gaunt marsh]

The Penultimate Episode of Season 3 is here.

Those of you who saw it at Celebration- PLEASE keep spoilers to yourself until Wednesday.

Everyone else - WELCOME TO WEEK 7!

[high wyvern]

Soon

[zinc wedge]

SOON

[grave glen]

Not soon enough

[vague hound]

Minor spoiler alert: || So Bo and Din decide to formally adopt Grogu, start calling Paz “Uncle Paz”, open a churro speeder on Nevarro, and help the Armorer start making bootleg holovids. Did you think I’d really spoil it with a REAL spoiler? 🤪||

[zinc wedge]

Just wait until we discover part or possibly all of this turns out to be true.
And you will have inadvertently betrayed the Jedi Code.

[vague hound]

That spoiler was brought to you by the letter “T” and the number “65”

I’m really holding out for the ||churro|| part.

[zinc wedge]

…aaand now I’m hungry.

[vague hound]

Wait till I start posting pizza pics again.

[zinc wedge]

The Return of the Deep Dish.

[vague hound]

Episode X

🤪

[high wyvern]

Is it tomorrow yet?

[zinc wedge]

Not for another fourteen and a half hours.

[high wyvern]

Damn

Shakes fist

[high wyvern]

According to the tweet, the penultimate entry in The Mandalorian's third season will clock in at 50 minutes and 40 seconds.35 mins ago

The Mandalorian Season 3 Episode 7 Runtime Revealed - CBR

Heads up

So I effed up

I looked up the leaks for tomorrow

[tulip sail]

https://tenor.com/view/ready-my-body-is-ready-star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi-gif-5952071

Only 2 episodes left 🤯

[obtuse plover]

Sigh

But I don't want it to be over.

Still missing our cowboy

His "think it through" may be one of my favorite lines.

[zinc wedge]

Have we considered the possibility that after the next two episodes, we might need a minute to digest it all?

(before pivoting to the stylized non-canon shorts of Visions 2?)

[high wyvern]

Yes yes I have

Hell I'm still trying to digest SWCL news

[obtuse plover]

I have a fast metabolism.

Or I used to. Heh.

[high wyvern]

Soon yall

Soon

[glossy fractal]

Oh man I can't wait to talk about this episode with you all

[high wyvern]

I have my alarm set for 345 am

Soon

[rocky rover]

This is the way

[forest apex]

Yo were those imperial commandos?

[rocky rover]

I for see new Disney merch coming

[tall summit]

MANDO PARTY HOOT HOOT

[tall summit]

||I love how Yodito uses IG-12 to walk now but I’ll miss the pram||

||well I guess Yodito could be the Mand’alor||

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[spark mesa]

Wow, what an episode!

[tall summit]

Rare footage of me after the episode

https://tenor.com/view/sokka-dancing-avatar-explosion-mushroom-cloud-gif-11704362

[stiff warren]

Feels like the show finally started

[spark mesa]

||kinda annoyed that they replayed "bad baby"||

[vast spade]

Did Din make it out? I rewatched 5 times and could not tell?

[high wyvern]

Here we goooooooooo

||BRENDOL HUX||

||Grogu sitting on Bo"s lap is just the cute I needed||

[zinc wedge]

No

[high wyvern]

YESBYES YES YES YES YES

Buahahahhaha

[vast spade]

So he did retreat with Bo?

[high wyvern]

That was to a different part

Sorry to confuse I am watching still

[vast spade]

I did not see him on the ground near the other

[zinc wedge]

When ||the doors slammed shut to capture the Mandalorians, Din was in front and cut off from everyone else. The Imps in beskar alloy fought and overpowered him, and had him restrained on the ground in the larger room in front of the room where the other Mandos were trapped. Then King Darth Gideon gave his speech, and told his Imps to drag Din Djarin away for interrogation. They did so. Then Gideon came up to the window in the door and mocked Bo Katan in the other room. That’s when the other Mandos broke that window and started fighting, and Bo Katan ran to the back of the room and made a hole in the door. All the Mandos then escaped, except Paz who stayed behind and fought to the death.||

[high wyvern]

That was

Woooooweeeeeeeee

That was a lot to digest

[elfin shard]

We really have to wait a week now…. Damn

Intense final minutes

[high wyvern]

You know the finale gonna be lit

||Plus Moff gots Bo's man she is going to go ape shit||

[zinc wedge]

To say nothing of Grogu.

[elfin shard]

exactly

especially in his current set up

i forgot how to tag spoilers

[zinc wedge]

Anzellans: You want how many blaster on this thing?
Grogu: presses button YES

Joking.

Grogu will just use force choke.

[high wyvern]

Okay okay fair I was caught up in the romance aspect. Bo AND Grogu.

[elfin shard]

https://tenor.com/view/ig11-mandolorian-gif-15906173

[high wyvern]

Anyone else think ||Paz|| is not dead?

[elfin shard]

unfortunately no

[wooden reef]

Same. The crunchy noises as the blades went in seem to confirm those wounds are too deep.

[high wyvern]

My gut says they aren't and I am going to be blissfully in denial

[elfin shard]

also needs to establish how dangerous those guys are

[high wyvern]

ugh I know

but

bleh

[elfin shard]

i know..

[high wyvern]

I do not want

[elfin shard]

sucks

[wooden reef]

Certainly put a lot of the long plays in motion this episode though. Next ep is going to be lit.

[high wyvern]

It's going to be hella stressful I bet

And eff ||Moff Godeon||

I need ||Thrawn|| to end him painfully

[high wyvern]

Yup

[wooden reef]

Almost certainly.

||I expect that we're going to see the New Republic arrive, the only thing we haven't seen a payoff to is whatever that captain is doing. I'm wagering it's going to look bleak and they're about to fall before the NR arrives to reinforce them. ||

[vague hound]

But not until the end of the series please… Giancarlo does such a great a-hole that we’d miss it

[high wyvern]

And we did

And you are right

But man

What an arse

[wooden reef]

||Honestly when he had Din pinned I was expected him to yank off his helmet to dishonor him ||

[high wyvern]

I would have had a heart attack

er mah gawd

[median blade]

EMOTIONAL DAMAGE.

Well, now we know where the besker fragment from the shuttle originated.

I can imagine what it was like watching that in a room packed with SW fans at Celebration.

[wooden reef]

That we do.

I'm hoping we get a certain beasty out in the action next week. Seems the right time for it.

[median blade]

I would like the mythosaur to eat Moff Gideon like a fruit snack!

[high wyvern]

Big time

[vague hound]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-please-please-thank-you-you-do-me-a-favour-kind-gif-12772389

[high wyvern]

This would be lovely

[vague hound]

(“Yes please” sorry couldn’t find it in English)

[high wyvern]

I want Bo or Thrawn to obliterate him

[median blade]

So the credits don’t have any of the Shadow Council other than || Pellaeon & Hux||. Do we have any idea who the others are?

[high wyvern]

Gideon has NO idea who the eff he is messing with with Thrawn

Thrawn will eat him for lunch

[vague hound]

Bo or Grogu would be more appropriate than Din… for both of them… itll be personal

[grave glen]

This is what I am really waiting for. The Mythosaur to mess stuff up

[vague hound]

At some point, probably in the movie, we need to hear Thrawn “but it was so perfectly done” (if you read The Last Command”, you’ll know that line)

[grave glen]

Also the Mando Ankylosaurus was sweet

Now they need to get that to attack the imps

Space battles, big land battles, one on one fighting, can't wait for next week

[median blade]

Oh well played: ||Brendol Hux|| is played by ||Domhnall Gleeson’s brother||.

[grave glen]

I hope Bo relieves Gideons shoulders of a head

[high wyvern]

Oh that is some delicious detail!! No wonder they sounded so much alike

[median blade]

How am I supposed to wait a week for more?!?!??!?? 😱

[high wyvern]

It's torture

And you KNOW we are getting a cliffhanger

[median blade]

Almost certainly. I don’t recall hearing anything about a season 4, just Ahsoka, Skeleton Crew, & Dave’s movie.

[grave glen]

At least Ahsoka might continue the story somewhat

[grave glen]

I think most consider it a given, or might have said previously a 3/4

[high wyvern]

Like with BoBF

[high wyvern]

I am calling it now

Armorer is a spy and knew they were heading into an ambush

[vague hound]

I thought you were into… umm… nvmd…

[high wyvern]

Hence why she offered to go back with the injured

[high wyvern]

Both can be fun

[vague hound]

Sithy = Wednesday Addams with red hair??? 🤔

🤪🤪🤪

[high wyvern]

I am a solid mix of Wednesday and her colorful roommate

[vague hound]

Do your claws grow too? 😳

(Suddenly having flashbacks to the original “Howling”)

[high wyvern]

When I get my fake nails yes

😄

[high wyvern]

Think about it

Never takes off her helmet REALLY pushing that and then conveniently bounces right before they are about to go into battle

BRUH

I am calling it

[median blade]

Someone on wookieepedia IG comments agrees with you. DO NOT WANT.

[high wyvern]

My friend is convinced she is Hux's mom

[grave glen]

Well then Bo can relieve her shoulders of a head as well

[median blade]

FRUIT SNACK.

[zinc wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/nathan-fillion-but-uh-um-hello-gif-14401869

Never mind.
I don’t have any control over what they maintain or change from books/other sources anyway.

[wooden reef]

Only issue there is she's now with the fleet, which is presumably about to get ambushed. I figured her leaving was to give us a P.O.V. in the fleet during the battle.

[high wyvern]

Aye yeah no I know but imagine if they did that

It's not but you know this is SW

[zinc wedge]

Maul ||survived with spider legs.||
Nothing is certain.

[high wyvern]

That he gathered himself and made with parts and spite

[zinc wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-hatred-and-pure-spite-gif-25976979

[high wyvern]

so anything is possible and the story about Hux's mom could be made up

LMFAO

[grave glen]

I'm going with the need to have someone known up there for the space battle and lead the forces

I was expecting her to come out right in the middle of a battle

[median blade]

Yeah, I was kinda expecting that too tbh.

[high wyvern]

I am hoping I am wrong

But in a way I hope I am right because what a twist

[wooden reef]

It would be a twist, but at the same time that would also remove most of the points of view of the Children of the Watch that we have. Assuming, well you know.

I kind of like the idea that she's actually Rook Kaste who formed her own splinter when Death Watch went up in flames.

[high wyvern]

I heard this rumor as well

[wooden reef]

I've wondered it for awhile. Particularly because of the horns on her helmet being so unique amongst Mandos, it would make sense for someone who followed Maul and Savage. And Rook would have been the highest and really only named one still alive by the end of it.

So she donned a hard line approach to the Way as DW broke, adopted a helmet style that was reminiscent of the last to win the Dark Saber in open battle and went on.

She didn't acknowledge Bo-Katan (didnt actually win the saber + turned her back on DW at the moment of them realizing their goal) and only accepted her back in because she realizing its the only way they get Mandalore at all.

She warmed to her way too fast for someone that wasn't familiar with her.

Plus in this EP she confirmed a few things

||She was on Concordia when Mandalore fell (DW was based there after all, makes sense to fall back after it's over)

Death Watch no longer exists, however, when asked if she is Death Watch she doesn't say I wasn'tshe says it doesn't exist anymore. So she likely was a member of Death Watch, which we kinda guessed from the tribes name but it confirms it.

She's an older warrior, having been to the Great Forge before the fall, but also seems to have been there before the warriors were exiled to Concordia. ||

[median blade]

Our secrecy is our survival, indeed.

[high wyvern]

https://twitter.com/StarWars0nly/status/1646134173403316224?s=20

StarWarsOnly (@StarWars0nly)

Thrawns right hand man in Legends appeared in The Mandalorian Chapter 23, "Gilad Pellaeon" they've got the look spot on !

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They really did get the look down

[acoustic robin]

Wow, am amazing episode.

I want Grogitos first basic words to be “You have something I want. You may think you have some idea of what you are in possession of, but you do not. Soon, he will be back with me. He means more to me than you will ever know.”
Spoken to Moff Gideon before Grogu smites him.

[wooden reef]

Wasnt he also with the Lothal blockade, which means we know Thrawn is already back in known space.

[high wyvern]

You are correct that is him

[wooden reef]

I really want to see Chimaera in live action so hopefully it survived it's trip. I'd imagine not all the ISDs that got space whaled were salvageable

[grave glen]

Would that not have needed to be the end of this episode?

[grave glen]

I did like the Mando logo on the bottom of the light cruiser like the chimera logo

[acoustic robin]

Bo Katan coming back to Gideons lair riding a mythosaur...?

[high wyvern]

She'll be riding something when she saves d....nvm

[acoustic robin]

That's what she said

[wooden reef]

If that's all it took I'd let myself be captured.

[high wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/thrawn-lars-mikkelsen-ahsoka-live-action-walking-gif-2464363859426338243

[obtuse plover]

Nope. I haven't watched yet but no.

[high wyvern]

I am putting money on it

But I hope I lose

[obtuse plover]

Mama fought so hard to keep her family alive though.

[acoustic robin]

I was scared the three mandos they picked up would be the Pretoria guards in disguise. Glad they weren't

[high wyvern]

I think it's a front and part of the plan to get all the mandos united so Gideon can kill them

[acoustic robin]

Or maybe she survived after making a deal with Gideon in season 1

[high wyvern]

This

[median blade]

I need to watch the silent exchange between Bo & Koska again.

[vague hound]

||Gideon sent his fighters into space to destroy the rest of the Mandos. If she was in on the plan, she wouldn’t return to the ship as it’d be a target. It was only a scouting party on the surface; the majority of Mandalorian strength is still in orbit. They only landed one gauntlet. ||

[high wyvern]

I am sure she has an escape plan

Or Gideon doesn;t give two shites

[wooden reef]

Counter point - All the other leaders are in the assault group.

If they fall - the Armorer assumes command of the Mandalorians. She's just wiped out her competition.

[high wyvern]

ooooooooo

[median blade]

Then she’s like “I hear Pabu is nice” and they peace out.

[vague hound]

Predictions for Ep 8:
|| Grogu goes bad 🤬 and rescues Din… again. Magnetic interference is caused by Gideon, and theyll take it out. In the ensuing explosion, the mythosaur will rise. Armorer will lead Mandos in orbit to attack, and Gid will be 🤬ed. Remnant reserves will arrive, but so will NR and chase them away. Gid is killed by either Bo or Grogu. Aftermath: forge is re-lit, and Thrawn is revealed at the end, to transition to Ahsoka series. ||

[high wyvern]

I agree with the end about Thrawn

[obtuse plover]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-mandalorian-the-child-baby-yoda-emily-swallow-gif-15920064

[high wyvern]

I think he will show at the end of the finale

[obtuse plover]

I will accept this.

[high wyvern]

I am still going with traitorous spy

😄

Love you all

[obtuse plover]

Lol love you too

[foggy skiff]

Why did moff get like way older it seems

[vague hound]

I think she’s got too much effort in keeping them following The Way of the Mandalore to sell them out. She might sell Bo out, but I don’t think she’d sell them all out.

[foggy skiff]

Also since I just started it I can only laugh now at Gideon.

“You say thrawn is coming back but uhhh seems he’s nowhere to be found”

Me: guess you haven’t heard Ahsoka’s show is coming in august my guy

[median blade]

All that scheming takes a toll. 🤣

[foggy skiff]

I guess so

[vague hound]

No hair dye on Mandalore. That’s a Coruscant luxury they don’t get? 🤪

[median blade]

Beskar dust from all that armor.

[foggy skiff]

Kosta Reeves: 😒

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-family-guy-stewie-stewie-griffin-suss-gif-21485235

Me 👆🏼

[high wyvern]

Le gasp! She is a peach

[foggy skiff]

No 😂

[high wyvern]

She is I like her crusty behavior

[median blade]

I definitely looked at her like this in Ep 6.

[foggy skiff]

😂😂

[zinc wedge]

At the end of S2 he tried to shoot himself rather than ||face Luke Skywalker who (as far as Gideon knows) killed both Vader and the Emperor.||
That, plus imprisonment and a mustache shave, is enough to age anyone.

[foggy skiff]

Yeah that’s def true, I think after seeing someone with facial hair if they remove it it can alter the appearance a lot

[coral cedar]

that was one heck of an episode!

[tulip sail]

It’s Mando time!

Just got out of work I’m ready!

[foggy skiff]

UM EXCUSE ME WTF ARE THE GUARDS

[zinc wedge]

Do you mean the ||red guards?||

[foggy skiff]

Yeah, I mean I know the names but like the hell was that

[grave glen]

||Same as protecting the snoke in sequels||

Not sure spoilers needed but 🤷

[zinc wedge]

Not really needed, but it can be polite for certain plot points on the first day imo.
It’s been less than 24 hours since it dropped. Some people don’t watch until later. 🤷‍♀️

[mortal walrus]

That opening shot... that was just Bladerunner...

||Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, ||

[dusk whale]

Grogu mech, grogu mech!

[foggy skiff]

I yelled at him “STOP BEING A CHILD AND HITTING THAT”

[mortal walrus]

||No, no, no, no, No, no, no, no,No, no, no, no,No, no, no, no,No, no, no, no,No, no, no, no,No, no, no, no.||

[dusk whale]

||I'm sad about Paz||

[tulip sail]

10/10 Ep 🔥
|| Rest in peace the homie Paz Vizla 😭 🕊️ 🙏 ||

FOR MANDALORE!!!!!

[tulip sail]

Yes Gorgu Mech!
Transformer Gorgu

[high wyvern]

More than meets the JedEYE

[foggy skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/dad-joke-dadjoke-roasted-boom-gif-22339988

[high wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-bad-batch-crosshair-echo-hunter-gif-25409203

[high wyvern]

wait

no

nope

please no

IGH

UGH

[median blade]

I was hoping they would be friends ||not food ||but yeah. Looks like.

[hearty rose]

explains ||how they fed everyone ||

[grave glen]

Here is my prediction for next week. I bet I am right as well. ||We will all be asking and not wanting to wait until August||

[glossy fractal]

Me too, and I'm pissed off that I am 🤣

[high wyvern]

This is like you are lookign into the future

[dusk whale]

He went out as a badass at least

[vague hound]

(Gets out of the flying Delorean) Great Scott! Y’all are going to have a lot of trouble waiting for next week. 😳

[acoustic robin]

I remember there was an interview where Giancarlo Esposito said (possible vague spoiler) ||there would be 4 seasons of the Manalorian so I'm thinking he won't be killed next week.||

Also were all those troopers clones of moff Gideon under those helmets?

[median blade]

That’s a horrifying prospect.

[foggy skiff]

I bet someone went and found that video and told Jon “hey man this would be super funny for Grogu”

[vague hound]

Thinking about it this afternoon, maybe the whole armorer thing is a red herring? It’s done intentionally to make us think what we are (she’s Rook and/or on the side of Gideon), specifically so she can be revealed to be someone else?

[median blade]

So after thinking about ||Paz’s sacrifice I got to wondering if the Armorer is maybe Ragnor’s mom and she took the wounded out because she knows he would do something like that.||

[obtuse plover]

Oh I definitely assumed || the Armorer and Paz were banging.||

[zinc wedge]

So this is probably over complicating things…but have we considered that Thrawn might be spying on Gideon somehow?

And that part of Thrawn’s plans for Mandalore also involve taking Gideon‘s legs out from under him to keep him from building up too much power and becoming a legit rival?

[acoustic robin]

I was just thinking what if season 4 has Gideon actually helping to defeat Thrawn....

[vague hound]

Interesting

[vague hound]

But… but… my secret fantasy… you’ve wrecked it…. 😭

[frozen atlas]

Those people shouldn't be in this thread then lol

[high wyvern]

I thought the Armorer and Bo wer....nvm

[vague hound]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-eat-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-17744595

[obtuse plover]

I thought the Armorer had the hots for Bo as she was definitely hunting Bo. But whoops guess it was a different hunting.

[light glade]

Isn't it a huge waste of energy to bring the destroyer in and out of atmosphere? Wouldn't it make more sense to leave that big boi in orbit?

Also. Project ||Necromancer||. Really? Really?

but otherwise this was so badass.

[grave glen]

Its a light Cruiser 😉

but yes I had thought the same

[light glade]

I'm terrible at ships. lol Big Flying Chungus.

It's just so big though, it's got to be nuts to get it off the ground each time.

And I love Anzellans almost as much as droids. The fact he still stays away from Grogu is hilarious.

[median blade]

Bad baby! 🤣

[light glade]

no squeezie!

[acoustic robin]

I want project necromancer to actually be a streetscape beautification program for planting flowers and shrubberies instead of what it really is

[light glade]

Right? That's not how OpSec works, guys.

but these people are all still hanging out in the Imperial uniforms instead of, y'know, wearing street clothes and blending in.

[vague hound]

Jedi Knight: He killed my padawan
Other Jedi knight: you have my blade
Mandalorian: and my blasters
Project Necromancy director: and your padawan
Other Jedi: Dank Ferrik what’s wrong with you???

(Paraphrased from a fun D&D meme)

[acoustic robin]

You're a fun D&D meme.

[vague hound]

Not really

[zinc wedge]

If I remember my Rogue One correctly, the Imperial code name for the Darksaber was Project Blacksaber.
Sometimes the sheer ego of the Empire gets in the way of common sense.

Sometimes Frequently

[near marlin]

I cannot

That episode

Totally made up for the amusing shenanigans last week. I thought "Oh we're moving out of the dark and gritty era." BOY WAS I WRONG.

[high wyvern]

I told you we were in for it because of that silly episode

It qas the fun before the shit show

[light glade]

We had a silly amuse bouche before the dark and gritty main course

[zinc wedge]

The final 2 episodes of each season have always been gritty and dark.

I’m glad they’re maintaining that streak.

[light glade]

why even bother with project names at that point? At least Galen Erso had the right idea

[mortal walrus]

I quite like the silly episode because it showed another world and a new society, its good for them to get away from the standard homogenous star wars society.

[light glade]

it was also a fun slice-of-life of a random planet. Not everything has to push the main storyline, sometimes it's fun to just deal with malfunctioning droids.

[zinc wedge]

Because half the point of the Empire is “power does what it wants and does not have to endure constructive criticism”? 😅

[vague hound]

Seems to me they were operating as programmed. So technically… not malfunctioning? 😉

[zinc wedge]

THE UGNAUGHTS WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG

[vague hound]

I have spoken

[near marlin]

Also, nice to have seen the Praetorian Guards actually be terrifying considering they were built up so much pre-release of TLJ only for them to be merc'd pretty easy by a couple of not-Jedis.

[light glade]

Honestly surprised ||Paz|| went down instead of the bunch of unnamed meatshields Mandos

[grave glen]

They made the same joke/correction in the episode. Karga corrected the droid

[light glade]

oohh, red jetpack, not looking good for you buddy

[zinc wedge]

Oh the meatshields died too.
Just more quickly.

[light glade]

I am. so bad. at ships

I heard the correction from Imperial to Mando, not so much the ship type

[near marlin]

@light glade You DO have a point about that though. I cannot explain why in Rebels and Rogue One they keep having the Star Destroyers in atmosphere. Hovering, not landed, but still in atmosphere.

[light glade]

Atmosphere is the worst place for ships. the amount of energy to counteract gravity at that point. Like clearly it's not our world and technology, but physics are still physics.

[near marlin]

Probably the WORST place for ships is probably underwater, but that's semantics. 😆

[light glade]

I mean, if they're sealed against space and provide their own life support, that would work in the water too

[high wyvern]

To be ominous and looming

[light glade]

since the propulsion system can't require air

[near marlin]

But is the ship's hull designed to withstand the atmospheric pressure? That is the question.

[light glade]

That is true, since a spaceship is between 0 and 1

but you didn't specify how deep under water!

[near marlin]

Deep enough to get ocean madness, that's all.

[light glade]

or just drunk

[frozen atlas]

1. Star Wars has it's own physics and 2. We've seen Star Destroyers in atmo, this isn't that far fetched

[near marlin]

Hey now, that's uncalled for lol

[light glade]

not impossible by any means. I mean impractical. constantly needing to relaunch something so big

[frozen atlas]

we also see it in Star Trek, the supposedly more "science fiction" of the two

I just hand wave it as tech we don't understand

[vague hound]

Hey! I’m down for kicking back a few (too many) adult beverages 😉

[median blade]

Ughgghhhhhhhh. Rewatching with Crossthread and I hate this but the title is SPIES plural. No. No. No. no. No. No. No.

[vague hound]

Wait! Was R5 in the episode at all?

[median blade]

Ooohhhhh. Yesssssss

[vague hound]

If it’s there, solves the plural “spies” issue

[gaunt narwhal]

The Covert Mandalorians remind me of the United Colors of Benetton. 🤣

[near marlin]

I actually don't drink alcohol, soooo...all your's, buddy 🤣

[light glade]

I don't either, but Futurama . lol

[vague hound]

Admittedly, I’ve shifted to quality over quantity, but I have tried crazy games

(Back when I was young and stupid. Now, I’m just old and….)

[near marlin]

I do personally think that a starship would be able to handle more atmospheric pressure than the Planet Express ship. I feel like Farnsworth built that thing out of aluminum considering how often it gets so easily ripped apart.

[zinc wedge]

Yes, briefly.
He was on Bo Katan’s ship, in the background when they arrived on Nevarro and Bo shared her concern that the two different Mando groups wouldn’t get along.

[vague hound]

Perfect. Plural spies problem solved. Armorer back in good graces.

[median blade]

I think R5 was still on the Gauntlet in Mandalore.

[zinc wedge]

Are…are we really thinking R5 snitched to GIDEON????

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-hurt-shocked-offended-gif-13660890

Even if R5 was somehow injected with nano droids that made him do it, the idea still breaks my heart.

It would be like Order 66 all over again. 😭

[vague hound]

No R5 was a rebel spy.

Still a spy. Hence title of ep “spies”

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it as long as I can

[sturdy cape]

What an episode

You can see them connecting the threads between ROTJ and Force Awakens.

[sullen rampart]

Loved the episode. So who are the spies?

[broken talon]

Man the previous episode really was the calm before the storm! So much to digest! NGL I kinda love the new ||troopers and pre-sequel red guard. The trooper armor made me think of when some of the Mandos defected to the Empire in Rebels.||

[near marlin]

So, I know most of us want Bo and/or Grogu to take out Gideon when they rescue Din. But hear me out. He escapes, makes it to a secure location of the Shadow Council, asks for more forces so he can stamp out the Mandos and fix things. Then we hear a familiar voice: "Moff Gideon. Are you aware of the difference between an error and a mistake? You see, anyone can make an error. But an error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it." And then a noghri assassin cuts Gideon's throat as Thrawn himself enters to address the council. I know it'll never happen, but a man can hope.

[high wyvern]

Okay yes please

I want to watch that POS bleed out in front of Thrawn

[alpine dagger]

What a coaster of emotions! First, I laughed so hard with Grogu getting into IG-12. It reminded me of Bluey. 😂🤣

[alpine dagger]

I like this!

@high wyvern Hubs is with you with the ||Armorer being a spy. ||

[high wyvern]

Yeah I want to be wrong but yeah

[alpine dagger]

I hope both of you are

I can’t believe that after BB, here we are again ||mourning again. RIP Vizla ||

Also, ||Din telling Bo that he will follow her till the end||, gave me the feels.

I really want to ||Grogu help momma Bo to tame the Mythosaur so they can both rescue daddy Din. Also, want the mythosaur to eat/destroy Gideon’s base||.

And maybe some ||praetorian guards||

[high wyvern]

Wait what when did he say this?!?!

Omg

[alpine dagger]

Looking for time stamp

[alpine dagger]

28:20

[high wyvern]

Woek had called me so I was dealing g with that and watching at 4 am so I may have missed a lot

Ty sis I will watch again tomorrow and pay attention to that because OMG

[alpine dagger]

Really more on the 29:23 is his declaration of love. 😉

[high wyvern]

I mean come on these two are killing me I NEED THIS ONE DAMMIT

[alpine dagger]

At least if felt like that to me. 😂

[alpine dagger]

Me too

[high wyvern]

I can't believe I missed it

Sigh

[alpine dagger]

I think the ep. name Spies is more related to ||Elia and the mandos in the pirate ship. ||

[median blade]

Oh I know Elia is definitely a spy but I don’t think the surviving Mandos are. TV had a good point about R5 though. I really want Sithy’s hunch to be wrong but it is definitely looking plausible.

[alpine dagger]

😭

[median blade]

Yeah. I’m gonna be watching with Lula next week.

[wooden reef]

I’m still surprised r5 didnt get just immediately blasted two eps back

[alpine dagger]

I need Lula and my emotional support droid

[near marlin]

Get this person a BB or BD droid, ASAP.

https://tenor.com/view/bb8-star-wars-tfa-the-force-awakens-happy-gif-7385439

https://tenor.com/view/bd1-droids-happy-dance-mandalorian-gif-24729728

[alpine dagger]

YAS!!! 😍

[obtuse plover]

I immediately thought of this Bluey episode.

Now that I've watched it. I am more comfortable in my stance that the Armorer ||had nothing to do with the ambush. Giddypoops is getting his info from Elia (fans self) who is getting it from her workplace.
The Armorer is a mother of foundlings and the injured are new (albeit old) foundlings to her. Their care comes first.||

And we can't say she'd love to see the old forge when she already told Bo she has seen it. She knows.

But I respect all theories.

Holy
Heck
My favorite type of droid! I cannot believe it was in the same scene as my truly awful crush.

I short circuited.

My reaction to big boy ||Eff this shist! Why? My favorite mando. Whyyyyyuh?! I hate this show!||

Din liked Bo before this episode. But we got to see ||him fall in love in real time at the land ship dinner. Holy cow. I don't care if there's a helmet hiding his face. You can see it. And the way he goes to verbally comfort her. A cautious step. Then a more sure one. Ugh!
Also "I'll serve you" or "I serve you" I guess is what they're calling love now? Haha.||

[grave glen]

I still don't like it but Armorer being a spy could be why the covert was decimated in season one and only she remained. So many times to still give them up but didn't. Plus have killed so many troops that were killing Mandos

[grave glen]

Also someone needs to count how many Mandos/troops "die" falling off a cliff with jetpacks

[near marlin]

The probe droid?
Seriously, what is New Republic security DOING?!

[acoustic robin]

Paper work my boy, paper work. Those forms aren't gonna fill out and file themselves.

[zinc wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-at-work-bored-15years-later-gif-13708261

Just imagine a giant probe droid squeezed into where Bob is sitting.

[sullen rampart]

I know people said they think the mandos they found were the spies, but when MG was in the secret council he alluded to the fact he already knew the mandalorians were trying to retake mandalore. That paired with the beskar in the shuttle and MG saying his new suit was made of beskar, too many signs point towards the armorer.

[zinc wedge]

Imo this is the strongest piece of evidence towards it being the Armorer. If someone is allegedly a spy in a show, there has to have been signs of odd behavior, or difficult to explain events. The Armorer surviving Nevarro is the sus event.

[frozen atlas]

We saw her surviving though. She whooped those stormtroopers asses. She even threw one into the forge

I mean she could still be a spy but I don't think that was sus necessarily

[sullen rampart]

I still think theres a chance its not her. The only other person I could think would be Greef.

But the pirates make you think its not him.

The main argument against the Armorer, is I just cant see her throwing her own clan into an ambush like that.

[zinc wedge]

That’s why we all didn’t think it was sus for literally years. We assumed that because she can kick the asses of half a dozen troopers in one go, that she would be able to get all that melted down beskar (and probably most of her forge equipment) off planet unnoticed. But being a warrior and moving a lot of stuff from Nevarro to a halo ring are two different things.

I’m honestly not sure if it is the Armorer.

But that’s the piece of evidence that makes her being the spy plausible. If that situation wasn’t a factor I would say there hasn’t been any real signs to make her a suspect.

[frozen atlas]

I could seem them making her the spy for drama, but I don't see her betraying Mandalorians, especially to the people who destroyed her culture

[sullen rampart]

Thats how I am too. Its just hard for me to believe any Mandalorian would betray their people.

[frozen atlas]

I wouldn't go that far

[sullen rampart]

Thats why I assumed Greef. But the pirates are throwing me off.

[frozen atlas]

They did in Rebels

But I don't see her betraying them

[sullen rampart]

Thats true.

The other argument against it. How would Moff or the empire know that she would be able to bring the other clans together. To me, there's zero chance of her being able to do that. Or even Din being able to do that, at that point in the story. He didnt even know Bo at that point.

[frozen atlas]

He knew Bo

She surrendered the Darksaber to him during the purge of Mandalore

[high wyvern]

This.

[sullen rampart]

I was talking about Din.

[frozen atlas]

Oh

[sullen rampart]

I was meaning at the end of S1, at Navarro, when the armorer survived, Din didnt know Bo.

[grave glen]

I will say a lot of armorer cosplayers, and the one with the sweet armorer droid will not be happy if she is a spy

[sullen rampart]

To me, Greef is making more and more sense. Especially looking back to that point. Who has gained and advanced the most. Him and Navarro. The armorer and her clan have been hiding since then. Plus she ran Din off because he took his helmet off. Just looking at her storyline to this point, it just doesnt add up. Nothing she did, up until this season, would lead to the unification of tribes.

[grave glen]

She could have influenced Din to go to Mandalore to see it was ok. Then that would convince other Mandalorians to go there and into a trap

I mean we can walk circles around this both ways, we need the next episode!

[sullen rampart]

True. But again, thats this season. If you look at path from Navarro to now, nothing she did lead to the events were seeing now. Until last episode. She didnt really influnce Din to go to Mandalore, she told him, he was a mandalorian no more because he took his helmet off, he told her he was going to Mandalore to redeem. She didnt even suggest it.

[grave glen]

But she would know the only way to redeem would be to go to Mandalore, if she knew he would want to go that route she didn't have to suggest it at all. Just know that's what he would want to do.

[sullen rampart]

A couple things sticking in my head are this though. 1st, its called "Spies". Insinuating there are more than one. Could it be Greef and the Armorer. Possibly. Also, and a little more interesting to me. And probably has nothing to do with it. But during the interviews from the live stage at Celebration, Katee Sackhoff interviewed with Rick F. But Carl Weathers and Emily Swallow interviewed with Giancarlo. Again, could be totally random, but also could have meaning.

[high wyvern]

Armorer and Axe those are my thoughts and the survivors that popped up out of no freaking where

Where were they when Bo and Din were there before?

Somethign isn't right there

[sullen rampart]

I do agree with that.

But werent some of them in the middle of the ambush?

Also, the set up the empire has. Thats been there a while. You dont just pull up to the planet, and in a week have that facility.

[grave glen]

That's what drove me nuts a bit. Like how do you not tell you are entering empire facilities with those hallways and hesitate. I get in the moment way but seriously

[grave glen]

It's a big planet. Could have been on the other side

[high wyvern]

That is true but I am still thinking it was all set up that way and they are in on all this with the Armorer

Again

If I am wrong I am going to be thrilled

Unless it's Greef

Imma be pissed

[obtuse plover]

I think she (Armorer) might be my Cross. Hah.

I think Elia and the New Republic's blindspots are enough to get what we got.

Elia is an amazing spy.

[high wyvern]

Yes she is

And we all love to hate her

[obtuse plover]

I think the Shadow council are among those "spies"

[high wyvern]

I need to see Brendol get his

[obtuse plover]

Making the title plural

[high wyvern]

He made Armitage's childhood hell

[obtuse plover]

Gideon already had a lot of Beskar and would know mandalorian armor. But I didn't watch any animated Bo stuff so I don't know Gideon so well.

Also omg! Hux dad.

Hux dad Hux dad.

(At least I was told he's his dad) hoo boy. He is pretty.

[high wyvern]

That's is Domhnall's real life brother

So they nailed his voice sounding like Armitage

[obtuse plover]

Oh is Brendol his first name?

Well nvm then. Bad dads are not pretty.

Into the trash compactor... with your cute little stubble!

[high wyvern]

Yeah I hate him

[obtuse plover]

Abusive dads get the flames.

[zinc wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-lion-king-simba-rafiki-throw-gif-16194362

[high wyvern]

Him and his stupid crooked uniform hat and messy coat

YEET indeed

[zinc wedge]

He does ||die horribly per book content.||
So there’s that.

[median blade]

I watched all the animated Bo stuff and don’t remember them showing the purge or that it was done by Moff Gideon until this show rolled around.

[high wyvern]

Aye and I want to see it happen

[zinc wedge]

The purge wasn’t in animation, because none of the animation is set during the OT.

[median blade]

Yeah. I just looked that up to see where Rebels left us.

[zinc wedge]

The Night of a Thousand Tears / The Purge of Mandalore took place some time during the OT trilogy.
It’s a bit of a “this is why Mandalore wasn’t involved in the Rebellion and wasn’t even a factor as a galactic power during the middle Skywalker saga” explanation.

[zinc wedge]

It would have been very gross.
I read the prose in the Phasma book where it happened to someone else. That was some nihilistic stuff.

But not Nihil stuff.
There’s a difference lol.

[high wyvern]

Aye there is

[obtuse plover]

Oh and now that Din is also onboard, I supes love BoDin.

Dumb boy took a minute.

"Oh yeah Bo. She's neat. A good friend."
No no Din baby she like likes you bro.

[alpine dagger]

How Gideon has communication with Elia from Mandalore? Now I’m thinking they are jamming coms.

[obtuse plover]

Oh my goodness!!

You are brilliant!

[alpine dagger]

No, you are! ❤️

And all council holos too. Definitely jamming coms!

[near marlin]

I feel like the only thing actually wrong with Mandalore is the blasted surface. Everything else feels like a deception spread to keep people away so Gideon can scheme to his cold, dead heart's content.

[sullen rampart]

I guess I didnt assume that Gideon was on Mandalore during the council meeting.

[near marlin]

I think that's the point

[zinc wedge]

I feel like the Alamites and the giant monsters are legit threats not conjured by Gideon.
But they are out in the open more due to Mandalore getting blasted and the environment getting disrupted, so your point stands.

[near marlin]

Probably always been there, but lay dormant while the planet was populated. Even under Satine, they probably kept them at bay somehow.

[high wyvern]

Has anyone actually ever seen anyone state they like Gideon?

[obtuse plover]

I... like Gideon's armor.

That was hard.

[light glade]

like Gideon as in find him enjoyable, or like him as a villain?

because I'll be honest, all I really see is that Gus Fring went to space. It feels like the same character

[obtuse plover]

I like the actor. I like how well he makes us despise the character.

I think Elia can do better.

She deserves serving Thrawn.

[wooden reef]

He does a lot of really good villains so it's not real surprise that he's as good as Gideon as he is.

I 100% don't see him surviving all this though. He's trying to set himself up as a rival to Thrawn and that never ends well.

[near marlin]

Thrawn appreciates ambition. But only to a point.

[grave glen]

All this talk has me thinking more of the sequels and where this could lead. I want the mandalorians to rule but no talk of them in the sequels. Unless they take over their planet and just ignore everyone else and stay there

[wooden reef]

Up until it actively impedes his goals. Which Gideon's weight throwing in the council is headed towards.

Ambition, but not insubordination.

I think they take over then they're so shattered they turn inward to try and rebuild. Those losses will take generations to recover from

[high wyvern]

No, like just likes his character, really thinks he is the bees knees. Doesn't love to hate him but loves to love him.

[obtuse plover]

Not here.

[high wyvern]

Me either

I mean

We love Vader

[obtuse plover]

Here as in my house not the discord

[high wyvern]

We love Hux

We love Kylo

But Gideon

Nope

Never seen any love love for that horrid man

[obtuse plover]

I don't think I love any of them.

[high wyvern]

A lot of us do though

Hux

Kylo

Vader

[obtuse plover]

True

[high wyvern]

They all have simps

[obtuse plover]

Oh man, Gideon simps would be wild.

[vague hound]

Giancarlo is great. He character is… 🤬🤬🤬

[obtuse plover]

Well that was a fun mind trip.

Until I remembered Paz.

I may be mad about Paz.

Like pretty darn mad.

https://tenor.com/view/the-mandalorian-the-chilld-baby-yoda-star-wars-emily-swallow-gif-15919966

Why'd they have to do my man like that?

He was doing so well.

I really hope they mando children will be ok.

I hope the mates they found on planet aren't plants being unwittingly taken into the hive.

[wooden reef]

the mando children have problems of their own potentially. Attack on the fleet and all that

[obtuse plover]

Maybe they left them with High Magistrate Greef

Who can't protect his own people.

[wooden reef]

Not sure that's a vote of safety either lol

[obtuse plover]

This is not looking good.

[wooden reef]

Nope. We're one transport loss away from losing a whole generation at once.

[obtuse plover]

Stupid Empire

Or First Order

I was yelling at Paz. You can't you're a dad you need to leave!

SW and dads dying...

[high wyvern]

I hope Din and Bo adopt Ragnar

Then Grogu can have a brother

[alpine dagger]

I have a feeling that the Armorer is Ragnar’s mom

But I’m all for it

[high wyvern]

I thought that before too

But

No more

[near marlin]

@high wyvern can confirm from my live commentary that I was yelling for him to not be a hero.

[zinc wedge]

Gideon is likable in the sense that it can be interesting to watch a giant ego going around thinking they’re the best thing since God (and dressing like it too).
That’s why there are so many books and movies about the Praetors/Emperors of Rome.
But Gideon as a person is not likable, he is clearly meant to be hated and reviled because he uses his intelligence to cause pain and suffering. He can eat rocks.

Also Elia Kane does not deserve to work for Thrawn because she willingly hampers her intelligence with her extreme faith in fascism. She wouldn’t respect art for art’s sake and the insight it provides, only as a blunt tool for manipulation and destruction.

[obtuse plover]

I knew they were going to pull something when one of his tubes got cut.

[light glade]

Maybe this gets explained, but it's my biggest issue with between-movies media. If Gideon and Thrawn were such huge threats, where are they once the ST starts?

Rogue One handled it well for where all these rebels were by OT. but if they keep cheaping out with "everyone dies," it kinda takes away from these stories. Makes it harder to care when I know the slate will be wiped clean anyway.

[high wyvern]

Yelling and cussing

Lots of cussing

[alpine dagger]

I was crying! Ragnar needs his dad. 😢

[zinc wedge]

Do you mean OT or ST? The PT is over.

[near marlin]

Tbf, a lot of the cussing was because of the painful cliffhanger.

[zinc wedge]

Paz: ded
Credits: MUAHAHAHA! 😈

[light glade]

yeah, ST. lol

[wooden reef]

I'm assuming Gideon is dead, Thrawn is very likely dead or at minimum pushed back to the Ascendancy to deal with the Gist.

[vestal agate]

That was admiral pellaeon in the shadow council

[high wyvern]

I would say pushed back to the Chiss Ascendency but Gideon I would say is dead

[vestal agate]

Thrawn could be anywhere in the ascendance with skywalkers

[high wyvern]

Yes he could

his power would be limiteless

[light glade]

Right. Which puts me at odds of two very different mindsets. Getting away from Skywalker Family Drama and seeing more of other people in the Galaxy is amazing. But then the movies have a main story, if these side bits always end with "and then they all died," it feels less cohesive as one piece of media.

[wooden reef]

to me the bigger mystery is going to be were Tano has wandered off to. As it's unlikely Filioni offs her, yet as it stands she was just missing the whole time.

[light glade]

Yeah, same issue

[zinc wedge]

Maybe she ends up outside of the known galaxy wherever Thrawn ends up.
That could be her Jedi sacrifice.
To bring Ezra home, and then take his place.

[alpine dagger]

It actually makes sense, since he originally saved her.

[vague hound]

Didn’t we hear Ahsokas voice in Rey’s vision at the end of TROS? That would imply by then she’s one with the Force

[high wyvern]

Oh yeah no she is dead by TROS

[alpine dagger]

Yeap

[vague hound]

Yeah. But I’m wondering if we’ll get that moment in the series?

[high wyvern]

I think yes

Filoni loves to hurt us

[alpine dagger]

But death is part of life. 🤷‍♀️

[zinc wedge]

Ahsoka passed away the day before Rey showed up on Exegol.

Completely unrelated reasons, after fighting outside the galaxy for decades Ahsoka had just turned the Grysk King (no I don’t know if that’s a thing) into a lightsaber shishkebab, but was mortally wounded in the fight.
Then she died and was able to contact Rey hours later.
It was just good timing. 😛

[alpine dagger]

And togrutas age same as humans

[light glade]

or they go even worse, and it's completely unrelated. hit by a speeder bike on her way to pick up take out

[high wyvern]

Jesus I shouldn't have laughed at that

[alpine dagger]

Most all yters are pointing at Armorer as the spy. 😭😭😭
https://youtu.be/qOBchSxvU1o

[alpine dagger]

But I did too 😂

[light glade]

Highlander the Series did that. He saves the girl from the Big Bad, and then she's immediately killed in a random carjacking.

[acoustic robin]

In all fairness by that point she could have lived a long and full life. I hope Rex and Ahsoka die peaceful lly.

[wooden reef]

The only reason I could see them doing away with the Armorer is as a means to eliminate the Children of the Watch. Possibly to do away with the helmet thing.

[high wyvern]

I have no doubt

And like Leia it can be shown at the end years later

Passing away peacefully

[alpine dagger]

Btw, I NEED Grogu on his Ig-12 in a black series figure.

[high wyvern]

Which I hope it is that and not like poor Paz

[wooden reef]

No one dies peacefully.

Not in this galaxy

[alpine dagger]

Yoda kind of did imo.

[high wyvern]

So did Luke

And Leia

[zinc wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/judging-stare-bored-dont-you-dare-annoyed-gif-22904796

[zinc wedge]

Okay that’s mostly true.
Though not always.

And despite ongoing conflict several Jedi have managed to find peace before death.
By going internally zen.

And not letting the chaos get to them.

[zinc wedge]

This.
I don’t know if this is how they’ll play it. But I think if Din is ever going to consider taking his helmet on and off in front of others, something pretty big and horrible is going to have to happen to make him doubt his orthodox practices.
Having the religious leader of his cult betray everything else Din values is a good way to start that snowball rolling.

[median blade]

I dunno. Luke was still badgering him the whole time. 🤣

[near marlin]

I think not, but it's only a theory.

[spark mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/grogu-ig-11-ig-12-yes-no-gif-2663747194334548482

[alpine dagger]

YES, YES, YES, YES…

[near marlin]

Ahsoka is almost intrinsically tied to the biggest Deus ex machina outside of the Force.

[alpine dagger]

In that sense, they can do anything with her.

[alpine dagger]

This is the only way I can see the Armorer being the spy. That will help unify all mandalorians under Bo’s command.

[wooden reef]

Yea, Yoda sorta willed himself to die faster so he didn't have to answer Luke.

And yea, the rules with her are kinda funny. Since she is tied to the daughter, so it's hard to say what she can/cannot do.

[near marlin]

I'm currently unsure if the trading cards drawn by Filoni are considered canon. If so, Ahsoka found another entrance to the WBW on Malachor.

[high wyvern]

So you think she was talking to Rey from there?

Chilling?

[near marlin]

It's possible! Ezra heard Rey as I recall.

[high wyvern]

Where di dhe hear her?

[zinc wedge]

In the World Between Worlds.
She was one of the many voices.

[high wyvern]

In Rebels?

[zinc wedge]

Yes.

In the episode that makes everyone go “OMG WTF” when they watch it for the first time.

[high wyvern]

well shit that is cool

I don't remmeber that

[zinc wedge]

You may have been under some stress.
Kanan ||died three episodes earlier||.

[vague hound]

Bad baby. No squeezie!

[high wyvern]

That would make sense I was a mess for like two weeks after that

[alpine dagger]

@high wyvern

[alpine dagger]

Definitely Bad Baby 😂

At this point, I think Grogu responds better to Bo, than to Din.

[near marlin]

"He's too young." "No."

[alpine dagger]

😂🤣

I love this sequence so much.

[vague hound]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mandalorian-paz-vizsla-this-is-the-way-tait-fletcher-mandalorian-gif-13875040779315675379

(Great gif of Paz)

[alpine dagger]

Your memory is blessed

[high wyvern]

He is very smart

[alpine dagger]

Wrong screenshot! Sorry!

[wooden reef]

That's how she avoided Vader. Ezra found an entrance on Lothal and pulled her from the Temple on Malachor into it.

[toxic pike]

There are two far better options.

Option 1: ||the "survivors" who just sent a ship full of "wounded" back to the fleet.||

Option 2: ||Axe Woves, who "went to get help" by just escaping without getting shot somehow.||

[near marlin]

The cards depicted her descending back into the temple on Malachor with Morai leading her to the entrance to the World Between Worlds.

[sweet glen]

Okay, before I post my thoughts, how the heck do you add spoiler covers for the text?

[toxic pike]

DOuble pipe.

||

[alpine dagger]

I don’t want her to be it. I was definitely inclined on option 1.

[sweet glen]

Like ||this||?

[toxic pike]

The episode did that too. People just insisted it was "metaphorical" for a year or so.

[sweet glen]

Ah! Yes!

[toxic pike]

Bingo.

[sweet glen]

Thank you!

[toxic pike]

Or option 3: ||both. PANIC!||

[near marlin]

All the episode did was show her entering the temple.

[toxic pike]

Well it showed her going "down" and people were all "it's a metaphor for death!!!!!" and then it turned out they were wrong and she was just leaving later. The cards showed more detail of the same thing but the artwork doesn't inherently convey the sequence so the card shown last could be first if you wanted it to be.

Of course the set numbering kind of skews the reading there...

[near marlin]

I mean, yeahhhhh...

[sweet glen]

So like, anyone else feel like this episode's plot felt just a little stale? Like, it's just the same as the last two seasons - Moff Gideon shows up with some insurmountable force and/or some new tech and puts our hero in a desperate position just before the climax of the season.

I dunno, I love Mando, but I definitely haven't been thrilled with this season.

I love Mando, I just feel like this season has not been up to par, and for the third time now it has come down to Mando v. Moff, with basically no meaningful plot progression for that conflict.

||Grogu in the IG-12 suit|| was fun, though, and the suspense for ||the rest of the mandalorian fleet|| is pretty palpable.

What I wanna know, though, is who are the spies??? Like, is it just Eliah Cane? It can't be, cus the title "spies," not "spy." Is the ||shadow council|| supposed to be the spies? They don't really seem like spies ||so much as scattered warlords with a common goal||, and the episode wasn't really about them, and they didn't really seem to be spying anything out as a collective... the build up for ||Thrawn|| is understandable, though. Also, is that supposed to be ||Hux's|| dad? And project ||Necromancer|| is the ||Palpatine/Snoke cloning|| project, right? Or is it just the codename for Starkiller base? I could reasonably see it being either of those.

Decent episode, cool action, Star Wars franchise plot building is alright, the episode plot itself was meh.

[toxic pike]

Unless we're supposed to read them backwards! Or maybe it's to imply that for some mad reason someone is going to throw time travel into the franchise!

[near marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-rebels-world-between-worlds-wbw-gif-22463172

Naww that'd be mad!

[toxic pike]

Honestly the worst decision Filoni made. I ranked it as the worst in the Disney cannon until... The Unpleasantness.

[near marlin]

I find it fascinating, personally,

[near marlin]

I found it ironic that the child stopped the two grown men from behaving like children.

[light glade]

People, when they know they're doing something wrong/stupid, will frequently stop when they hear anything even remotely authoritative telling them too

[vague hound]

First foreshadowing of Grogu as Mandalore? 😉

[dusk whale]

I mean, he is the oldest one there lol

Probably

[near marlin]

Honestly, I have to ask what you were expecting? Gideon was set up as a recurring antagonist from the moment he first showed up. The alternative would've been either no opposing forces or a rotation of random Imperial warlords. Gideon's role in the destruction of Mandalorian society makes this a personal fight for all the main players, not just Din.

[dusk whale]

I really, really like this armor

Can't wait for those helmets to start showing up for sale from prop makers

[near marlin]

While I haven't seen it much here, I have seen people wondering why this season felt so meandering compared to the last two. It comes down to themes. The theme of season 1 is "Protect the child". Season 2 is "Find a Jedi to take the child home". Season 3 is "What does it mean to be a Mandalorian?". The answers to such a question aren't as simple as it may seem on its face.

[median blade]

We were driving behind a brand new Range Rover that looked so much like this armor it was a bit distressing.

[zinc wedge]

I totally get why that would be distressing but I also find this story hilarious.

[median blade]

This picture doesn’t really do it justice but the story gets better: the model name is The Defender. 🤣

[zinc wedge]

TIE Defender!

At least it parked between the lines.

You’d almost expect it to take up two spots.

The Empire really is the “we’re double parking and there’s nothing you can do about it” of government organizations.

[high wyvern]

Exactly this.

[tulip sail]

Can’t wait for the Lego Sets 🔥

Their armor are kinda like the Mando Imperials in Rebels

[obtuse plover]

I'm not only worried for the kids on the cruiser. I'm worried those "injured survivors" are in a small ship with the Armorer whose back is turned to them.

[zinc wedge]

Did they take the kids on the cruiser?
I thought they left the kids back on Nevarro.

[obtuse plover]

Don't know.

[tulip sail]

I think they still on Nevarro

[obtuse plover]

We'll find out next week. That's what I'd hope. But right now no matter where they are they are in danger.

[tulip sail]

https://tenor.com/view/we-have-to-protect-our-children-from-this-gerald-broflovski-sheila-broflovski-south-park-s12e3-gif-21153687

The Mandos*

[sullen rampart]

I audibly said wow when I saw that.

[near marlin]

Look. If the Armorer isn't a spy? And she goes down? She better get a kill count equal to, or exceeding Paz. And as those stormtroopers on Nevarro learned the hard way, just because her back is turned doesn't make her any less dangerous.

[stark ferry]

finally watches ep

long inhale

VERY LONG SUSTAINED SCREAM

DAMN YOU EMPIRE/PROTO FIRST ORDER

YOU CANNOT JUST KEEP STEALING PEOPLE’S SACRED PLACES LIKE THIS

THE JEDI TEMPLE

[near marlin]

I think most of that can be solely aimed at Moff Gideon.

[stark ferry]

ILUM

[near marlin]

At least in this case

[stark ferry]

MANDALORE

F[QUACK] YOU ALL

ALSO

F[QUACK] YOU IN PARTICULAR GIDEON

YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO WEAR BESKAR

[near marlin]

No, he does not

[stark ferry]

YOU DO NOT DESERVE TO WEAR A MANDALORIAN HELMET OR THE KA'RTA BESKAR

I WANT TO SEE GIDEON DIE A TERRIBLE TERRIBLE DEATH

[near marlin]

He will. His negative karma is going to come back to bite him. If not through the Mandalorians, through Thrawn. Be as ambitious as you want, but you try and make things difficult for him? You will regret it.

[high wyvern]

I'm rewatching the episode

[grave glen]

https://tenor.com/view/loud-noises-anchorman-yelling-yell-gif-5294834

[acoustic robin]

This is the way.

I love lamp.

[high wyvern]

Dinner here confessing his love to Bo

I missed it the first time watching and I am melting

MELTING

Jdidjdbdhdurhrbr

Someone slap me

Then she is all giggly smiles

[zinc wedge]

…I legit don’t know if ‘Dinner’ was an autocorrect/typo or not.
I assume it’s a 50/50 chance 😁

[high wyvern]

Omg

Lmfao

Din

But hey after that speech he gave her....

Dinner may be correct

[stark ferry]

Nah I'm hoping it's Gideon who's gonna be dinner

For the Mythosaur

[vague hound]

https://tenor.com/view/anxious-gif-10850662

(Waiting to see someone try and Sithy destroy them)

[high wyvern]

Preferably Armitage Hux or Ronin

[vague hound]

That’s not called slapping..

[high wyvern]

I mean...

[vague hound]

https://tenor.com/view/spock-eyebrows-gif-24940925

[alpine dagger]

I told ya! It was epic!

[obtuse plover]

It's sealed in stone now.

Very cute.

[vague hound]

Mandalorian flirting:

1. The curves of your helmet are hot… like right after it comes out of the forge
2. Your blaster… it’s so… 😳😳😳
3. Wanna write a tale together?

[frozen atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-leave-gtfo-get-out-of-here-gif-6207127

[vague hound]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-shimmy-excited-smile-gif-12032436

[spark mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-bye-anna-frozen-gif-4958067

[obtuse plover]

https://tenor.com/view/daisy-ridley-daisy-jazz-isobel-ridley-pretty-beautiful-rey-gif-16042232

[zinc wedge]

Real Mandalorian Flirting:
“Spar with me.”

[lean kestrel]

Okay, I like this

But I think IG-12 needs more vocabulary other than "No" and "Yes"

[vague hound]

Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

[obtuse plover]

He was so happy that Din understood him.

[lean kestrel]

Well at least Grogu has something he can use to speak english with

Since he cant exactly talk yet

[obtuse plover]

It was like watching a baby get excited when they learn how to sign.

[high wyvern]

I'll serve you forever is the new hip grab

[lean kestrel]

And I still loved that Jack Black and Christopher Lloyd were in the last episode

[high wyvern]

Someone will definitely be screaming that

[obtuse plover]

My kid learned signs for food, more, all done, and open before he could talk. They get so happy when people answer them.

Grogu's been talking. I'm pretty sure it's just languages Din doesn't understand.

Definitely heard some droid and wookie.

[lean kestrel]

Well he's still just a kid

[lean kestrel]

WHAT IS THAT THING

ITS ENORMOUS!

[high wyvern]

So I was floating on cloud 9 telling mom about this

She said

And I quote

"Sounds like she is going to die in the finale"

........

I HATE IT HERE

[tulip sail]

Did anyone noticed the little horns on Gideon’s Helmet is similar to the Armor’s Helmet

[high wyvern]

Very much so

[zinc wedge]

Gideon knows darn well that the last outsider who ruled Mandalore had horns.
He put the horns on his helmet deliberately.
It’s his way of saying “I am not Mandalorian, but I am the King and Master of Mandalorians. Just like Maul was”.

[lean kestrel]

Wait, the empires been using Mandalore?

That's just low....even for them

[light glade]

https://tenor.com/view/shark-eaten-taken-gif-14831772

[tulip sail]

Or maybe the Armor and him could be secretly working together hence the title “The Spies”

[zinc wedge]

That’s absolutely an option.
But I don’t think the Armorer has horns on her helmet because of Gideon.
I think she has them because she used to be a member of Death Watch that sided with Maul.

[tulip sail]

Well they do have a lot of resources and beskar for them on their planet

[tulip sail]

Maybe that but it is an interesting theory if she sides with Gideon betraying her own people

[tall summit]

snort

[zinc wedge]

If it turns out to be true I’d like there to be a moment where she explains her exact motives.
If she thinks she’s doing it to keep “the Way” alive, in some twisted fashion or something.

[tulip sail]

Yeah like what if she doing it to keep “The Way” but ultimately Gideon is just using her to get his way and kills her

[tall summit]

Someone else is going to have to be an admirer now

[zinc wedge]

Yes that’s basically how Gideon operates.
Offer a desperate person/people a marginally better offer, then betray them when they capitulate.

[tulip sail]

Also seeing Commander Hux was Cool definitely the father or relative of General Hux

[zinc wedge]

His father.

Credits said Brendol Hux. That’s Hux’s dad.

[tulip sail]

Love the connections their making in the show.

[stark ferry]

Played by Domnhall Gleeson's brother

[tulip sail]

Ooo

[obtuse plover]

Oh no. The actress is even more charming!

I also am adding "I only have biscuits and fashion" to my daily phrases.

[high wyvern]

This is priceless omg

[near marlin]

Family server! Geez, I'm surprised I was the one who had to do it lol

[hollow cargo]

https://media.giphy.com/media/26FfdH6ZQByZRP1EQ/giphy.gif

[near marlin]

Fashion is subjective, frankly much prefer Bo-Katan's fancy and fashionable helmet. 😆

[vague hound]

If I do it, someone will think I’m trying to.. nvmd…

[near marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/fate-gif-25660623

[median blade]

MYTHOSAUR FRUIT SNACK.

[stark ferry]

YES

But after (a) Bo-Katan has stabbed him with that darksaber he covets so much, (b) the Mythosaur has stepped on him and squashed him flat, or (c) both of the above

Just so we are CERTAIN he can't pull a Boba Fett and crawl his way out

[median blade]

Yeah. Though I’d go with just A because who wants to eat something they pulled off the bottom of their foot? (If any of you do, please do not share that with me. Thank you.)

[zinc wedge]

What about a crushed winemaking grape?

(assuming one ever gets the opportunity to crush grapes barefoot for wine, and then one picks a squished grape off one’s foot to taste)

[high wyvern]

Is it Wednesday yet?

[high wyvern]

Or maybe we don't want it to be

https://thedirect.com/article/the-mandalorian-season-3-finale-actor?utm_source=SWS&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=StarWarsStuff

[zinc wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-i-cant-do-this-shaking-my-head-hehehe-smiling-gif-23942004

What pain awaits us.

[high wyvern]

It's going to hurt

I have no doubt

I am going to be hella bummed if Bo dies

But the foreshadowing is there

[near marlin]

What if it's not Bo who dies...

[high wyvern]

Trust me I thought about it being Din as well

Lot's of rumors flying about Pedro not coming back

But I don't see them being true

I do find it interesting he wasn't at SWCL and I wonder if that was to fuel the rumors

Katee was there, Carl, Giancarlo, Emilie.....not Pedro

[stark ferry]

I love your work Filoni but stop stomping on our hearts

[wooden reef]

If every season ends up killing off characters it's gonna get kinda boring fast just repeating the same things

[near marlin]

If nobody ever dies, there's no tension. That said...who died in season 2?

[high wyvern]

That's what I was wondering

And did anyone die in S1?

I mean yes IG-11 but mean flesh and bone

Oh and Kriil

[near marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-spoken-kuiil-the-mandalorian-gif-15957550

[high wyvern]

I said him to

Short king will not be forgotten

[near marlin]

While I was looking for the GIF! Lol

[high wyvern]

SSSSSHHHHHHH

[near marlin]

But I don't remember anyone dying in S2

[high wyvern]

Neither do I

If you think about it we haven't had any major deaths

Paz hurt

but we haven't had MAJOR deaths

Like Tech

[near marlin]

IG-11 and Kuill are the closest we've had.

Other than Paz, of course.

[acoustic robin]

Kuill wasn't enough of a death for you?

[acoustic robin]

Bib fortuna?

[wooden reef]

I'm also referencing ||Bad Batch|| since that's how they ended that one this season as well.

[near marlin]

That was a prologue for Book of Boba, honestly lol

[wooden reef]

Like if that's how they're ending all the current ones, then it kinda loses it's value doing it twice in a row.

[high wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/malreynolds-firefly-speechless-gif-5332816

On a side note man I really butchered his name

I always have trouble with spelling it

[zinc wedge]

In season 2 Migs Mayfeld died in the refinery explosion on Morak.

Or so I’m told.

[acoustic robin]

This is the way.

[alpine dagger]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I’m not ready for this!

I need my clan of 3, Din, Bo & Grogu 😭

[high wyvern]

I know me too, Like I really need this

[toxic pike]

To be fair, he isn't wearing a Ka'rta Beskar.

[toxic pike]

I think it's a reference to Gar Saxon's helmet, since he immediately folded into the Imperial military once they wanted someone to start cracking down on Mandalorian independence after the siege.

[median blade]

Yeah. I got Gar Saxon vibes as well.

[grave glen]

How dare you belittle Kuills death. His was the greatest of sacrifice

[stark ferry]

https://www.slashfilm.com/img/gallery/moff-gideons-new-makeover-truly-makes-him-the-darth-vader-of-the-mandalorian/the-new-look-1681286681.jpg

Right in the middle there

[toxic pike]

Dangit. I googled and everything. All the pictures I found showed the previous design. You are correct.

[high wyvern]

I should be ashamed.

[stark ferry]

In fairness, I recently joined the Mando Mercs Costuming Club and started designing my own armor so my brain is presently wired to notice such details

[dusk whale]

I wanna see what you come up with 👀

Love seeing everyone's custom armor

[toxic pike]

Normally I'd pick it out instantly, but his edgelord gloss black armour hides it pretty well.

[tall summit]

If Din dies I’m going to be upsetti spaghetti

[toxic pike]

It's also weird that they basically have the same part on Jedi armour in SWTOR.

[high wyvern]

https://twitter.com/DarksaberLight/status/1646892783523831808?s=20

Duchess of Darksaber Light (at SWCE!) (@DarksaberLight)

Loooong thread: Every reason why the Armorer is the spy who betrays Bo-Katan, Din Djaran, and even her own people in #TheMandalorian.

Gideon knows the Mandos are planning to retake their planet, which the Armorer suggested they do, even though they'd just been given a new home.

Likes

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Twitter · Apr 14, 2023, 3:06 PM

This is a LONG thread but it's really well done and explains things I couldn't formulate

[spark mesa]

I refuse to think this way

.<'

[high wyvern]

But the proof is there

It really is

[toxic pike]

It's not.

https://twitter.com/DarksaberLight/status/1646901252201086976 this point is just grasping at straws.

Duchess of Darksaber Light (at SWCE!) (@DarksaberLight)

Yup. Generally, I've taken the view that the Armorer is someone we don't already know, but I will point out that when asked directly if she was a part of Death Watch, the Armorer gave the best non-answer she could and waited for the conversation to shift. https://t.co/3CP4bfdd9b

Twitter · Apr 14, 2023, 3:40 PM

Was the Armourer Death Watch? Maybe. Was Bo-Katan? Very yes.

[wooden reef]

I had a random though.

What if the Mando stormtroopers are clones?

We know Gideon is into it, and maybe that's why they wanted Din's blood

[toxic pike]

Was the Captain of the survivors? No way to know.

[high wyvern]

I do not see straws personally I see proof

But it's all in how each person sees it

Just like Crosshair, we all saw him in a different light

[toxic pike]

Proof is a very specific term. This builds a case for the Armourer being a spy, but it's entirely circumstantial with no concrete/physical evidence and multiple ways to cast doubt on it.

[high wyvern]

This is proof enough for me for a TV show

[toxic pike]

We'll get proof one way or another next episode, probably.

[high wyvern]

Again

Hope I am wrong

[toxic pike]

I don't really care who the other spy turns out to be as long as there is one. I just don't think they've actually put enough into the episode or the series for us to make any conclusions.

If they end up having called the episode "The Spies" and there was only one spy I'll be a little salty at the sloppy work.

[high wyvern]

I think it's a few of them

[toxic pike]

Well we did see R5....

[high wyvern]

the "survivors" for one

Elie

R5 as well he is a possible option

[toxic pike]

Well we know he's a spy, just not for Moff Gideon.

[near marlin]

Axe Woves because he's the saltiest of any of them, like geez.

Plenty of candidates

[alpine dagger]

I don’t trust those guys. They recognized Bo from far away. I don’t buy it. For some reason, I feel that the survivors are prisoners of Gideon. I also thought, that maybe one of the sick ones is related to the Armorer and that will be a better reason for her to drive them to the ship and her being a spy.

[toxic pike]

As another place dubbed him: "Skinny Canderous" always looks shifty in stuff.

[zinc wedge]

Okay but wait until it turns out “The Spies” were just Elia Kane and the Shadow Council and Gideon all being sneaky, and that’s all it meant.

And the entire fandom twisted itself into knots for a week, contemplating every possibility from every angle, all for no reason.

[high wyvern]

But it's so fun

I love this who is it nonsense

It's interesting seeing how everyone views things

[grave glen]

😂 I'm so expecting this

The thought and conversations are great regardless

Nice healthy conversations trying to provide proof to both sides

[obtuse plover]

I agree.

[obtuse plover]

This is what I'm expecting and it makes me giggle at the mischief making.

[near marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/you-see-it-is-part-plan-explain-gif-20448886

[obtuse plover]

This was a cool addition.

[high wyvern]

That is rather interesting

Also I would like to make clear I will not be a "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA SUCKAHS I TOLD YOU SO" If I happen to be right

I will be hppy to be wrong this time

[obtuse plover]

It's cool.

Trust it's fine.

A lot of people agree with you!

[obtuse plover]

I'd personally feel worse if I took Armorer is spy stance rather than armorer is not spy and be wrong. That's why I'm sticking to thinking she's not. Pretty much the biggest reason.

[obtuse plover]

Yes

Ok my words may be jumbled. Watching kiddo. Gtg

[toxic pike]

That one makes way more sense with the common interpretation that this is all a retelling of Roman Judea from the perspective of the locals than throwing in the last supper painting.

[obtuse plover]

He's letting me be on for another second (he's snuggled on my chest). It's a cool comparison but I don't know enough about the writers and Filoni to know if he'd use biblical inspiration. You may know better.

The old testament is a good source for absolutely horrific story inspiration.

[toxic pike]

Yeah that's why I don'tthink the last supper is likely to be intentional. The rest is just history.

[grave glen]

Apparently ep8 is 39min long

[high wyvern]

Where was that leaked?

https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/mandalorian-episode-8-runtime-finale-theory

[near marlin]

"Hopefully means a normal amount of loss". Rude.

[high wyvern]

lol

Kuill normal

Runs

[near marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/rude-gif-25596260

[alpine dagger]

This only proves we are getting a huge cliffhanger. 🙈😂

[high wyvern]

Oh yeah no like S2

Then get some clarity in Ahsoka

Like BoBF

It's effing intertwined like a deceitful web

lol

[alpine dagger]

I just don’t need another loss. BB and Vizla are enough for the time being.

[high wyvern]

If people could just stay alive that would be great mkaaaaay

[alpine dagger]

Exactly! I need a break.

[alpine dagger]

I really want this as a remote control droid that says “ YES and NO”.

[near marlin]

Isn't Filoni directing the finale?

[high wyvern]

No the guy who did 7 is

I thought Filoni was as ell

[near marlin]

Oh good. That dramatically lowers chances of pain lol

[zinc wedge]

What about perspective of The People’s Front of Judea?

[light glade]

No, the Judean People's Front.

[toxic pike]

They're all in there.

To work out which is which you need to figure out what their policy on hat wearing is.

[zinc wedge]

Judean People’s Front! Pah!
We don’t want to hear their perspective. 😄

[vague hound]

What about the Popular Front?

[high wyvern]

I am a huge fan of the front

[zinc wedge]

SPLITTER!!!

[vague hound]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-leonardo-dicaprio-leo-dicaprio-bravo-applause-gif-16205245

[zinc wedge]

We have fun here. 😛

[vague hound]

Are you sure you don’t have… his gourd…?

[zinc wedge]

Follow the gourd!

…Ok but I’m starting to see a lot of parallels between Life of Brian and Mandalorian culture in general.

All the factions. And the need to find a “messiah” to follow.

[toxic pike]

Life of Brian is one of the more accurate depictions of the political situation in Judea in popular culture, which is... definitely an interesting situation to be in.

[near marlin]

I approve this meme

[alpine dagger]

This is a roll coaster of emotions. I don’t know what to think anymore. https://collider.com/the-mandalorian-season-3-finale-jon-favreau-comments/

[frozen atlas]

I think the armorer is a macguffin

[grave glen]

Ahhh stop posting that. LA LA LA I'm not listening

I want no hints

Other than guessing from other episodes

[alpine dagger]

😂

I’m with you. Is not her!

[median blade]

Mythosaur Snack Time! That would be satisfying.

[alpine dagger]

That’s all we want!

And no one dying!

[median blade]

Yeah, Din, Bo, & Grogu are Friends Not Food!

I’m cool if they snack on Axe Woves tho. 🤣

[alpine dagger]

No problem with that

[grave glen]

Yep I want Bo on the Mythosaur, Boba comes in on the Rancor and they recruit that Ankylosaurus thing and they wreck everything. Then Din hops on it so they each have their mount

[stark ferry]

We never got the Zillo Beast eating Palpatine, we need Mythosaur eating Gideon to make up for it!

@grave glen @alpine dagger #TeamArmorerInnocent

🤝

[alpine dagger]

I want Grogu to help Bo tame the mythosaur, then she can take care of Gideon. Then Grogu goes in ig-12 and saves his daddy.

[toxic pike]

Coincidentally I am re-watching that episode now. Palpatine is terribly animated in it.

[stark ferry]

Ok but part of the reason I would love an AU where the beast gets to eat Palpatine is just. What an ignoble, undignified end for someone who had his sights set on ruling the galaxy.

Eaten by a big animal he insulted

[near marlin]

And yet karma dictated he be thrown from a tall height by the former slave he enslaved.)