td2-hardcore-mode-chat

[lucid bolt]

I saw a level 20000 Hardcore player, last month. I wonder if they're still going

[velvet solar]

They're not stopping lol

[twin gorge]

You don't lose shd levels when you lose a character

[narrow yarrow]

Only reason I can think of is if your murdering all the enemies they might not be getting the armor on kill they need to stay alive that they normally get or whatever buffs they might be missing from talents based on them killing, something I use heavily while staying all red on my HC. But screw em, play the game how you want solo

[velvet solar]

If youre killing all the enemies they don't have any need for AOK lol

[lucid bolt]

I meant if they're still alive

[twin gorge]

Well yeah but even if they lost their character it's rather quick to get your shd levels

With stash and blueprints you can get back your builds easily. It's the specialization points and shd tech looting that's more annoying

At 20K they're a diehard HC player so they'll be back even if they lose a character

[velvet solar]

Ran into a guy who was 8k SHD on HC... Crazy but the real kicker is that he was 700 SHD on his softcore lol

[abstract pine]

hello all, do you guys think 4 heartbreaker, memento and chill out mask is good chouce for hardcore

[velvet solar]

I'd skip chillout for palisade or Ceska IMO

but either way should be pretty solid

[abstract pine]

well this is with bighorn if i get so is headshor damage build

and i say chill out for extra mod "protection from elite"

[velvet solar]

I think going headshot isn't going to be worth it.

probably gonna get caught out by something that doesn't take headshot damage, like a skill, heavy gunner, dog, etc

[abstract pine]

my crit build with heartbreaker uses gun backfire instead

[velvet solar]

I'd use an AR with flatline. feels a lot safer for HC

and technician for the LLP

[abstract pine]

but you will take ages to kill no?

~400k damage

i know that safe is more important than damage

[velvet solar]

no, it's not the fastest, but more consistent then headshot, les build up and potentially issues then backfire.

[abstract pine]

i see, maybe caretaker gun also?

[abstract pine]

idk entirely, heartbreaker builds to only 50 stacks, and gives 1.1% damage per stack, at base that's 55% at max stack vs striker base which is 65% at 100, then with chest hb is 110% damage at 100 vs chest striker with 130% at 200. hb chest is 110% vs striker bag which is just 90%

[split vine]

They are different levels for sure and different uses imo

[abstract pine]

striker only passes hb on damage from the 85th stack

[split vine]

Just note everyone the difficulty is changed recently. Herioc really is herioc particularly if solo. If taking a risk assessment the. The build has to be fully optimised to risk a hc toon. Xp on hard with a good build is very good imo. Great way to build up that watch and the inventory.

[chilly cedar]

Can you pls share your build

[abstract pine]

i am silly i wqs wrong i use striker with backfire but set up is still same and would work with hb since they are basically same

so i use striker mask, gloves, knees, holster, ceska intimidate and memento bag. Get your crit chance 50% and rest crit damage

you can swap striker for hb and it won't make big difference but if hb maybe instead of ceska chest you go hb chest for more damage and also more armour, and use ceska mask instead

[chilly cedar]

Awesome, got it. Thanks man.

[abstract pine]

also all blue core, but even if ceska is red core you will get max shield bc four heartbreaker is blue and memento also has blue and skill

also to note this isnt hardcore build this is one of my really good softcore builds im thinking of using in hardcore bc ive not actually done hardcore next

[split vine]

In an attempt to save you rerunning your hc toon i offer this. Shield is sub optimal in hc mode fyi. Really you want revive hive and striker drone as standard format for a build. Distance is your friend. Cover is key to surviving. Particularly on higher levels. If you have a killer skill build then swapping out the revive hive might make sense but you need ensure in good cover. Know that anything depleting your health and armour is an instant death with no revive. Feel free to ignore this and explore for yourself.

[stiff trout]

Hello, started to play again after dropped game 3 year ago, i started on normal char but i don't feel fulfiled so i want to come back to HC.
Last time i played i lost my char due death in safezone, dced and when relog i saw my char dead, is this thing still possible?
How hard is to get to end game without dying from bugs?

[split vine]

It depends. My stash has a good rifle and ar for every level to help progress more easily. If you havent got that then you need to farm. Bugs happen. Yes its possible to lose a char to cut scenes and deltas. If you bank your useful kit you are least building a path towards sustaining hc char’s.

[stiff trout]

ill just play game from 0 no items at all, just started HC

[split vine]

Good luck agent. Distance is your friend.

[stiff trout]

Only thing i would like some help is getting a flashlight 😂 game kinda dark and sometimes it bugs in night time

[split vine]

Ok it drops from the chainsaw weilding boss found on left side of map, typically underground. If you do the rescue jeff the bee keeper, campus side mission, that npc is in group that attacks you.

[stiff trout]

Lvl 17+ i see
Will do it when i reach there

[clever scaffold]

I really miss the Quickstep pistol . I hope they do the event again to obtain it .

[stiff trout]

Quick question, i already have 2h in DZ, why i didn't encountered any players till now?

[weak lotus]

Hardcore mode has its own DZ server. Not many agents in there, but I have been jumped by a rogue player in there before now, only just managed to escape!

[stiff trout]

ohh ok so then it means mostly are max lvl not 21 like me thats why i see no player

[viral urchin]

You can level up pretty fast in the dz just from the enemy kill xp. 3-4 times more xp then open world. I would aggro the patrols and bring them back to checkpoints and let turrets get them.

[swift ivy]

Hardcore DZ used to have clan/4-man groups who jump players. Not sure the state now. General advice is to be aware of how to check if a server instance is newly spawned, use the proximity social menu often (have someone in a group assigned to that task), and avoid Landmarks in proximity of the CPs.

[split vine]

The ambushers do still spawn. West has traps in vicinity of the safe house. Not sure about the other zones.

[random cradle]

sup

[round mauve]

@random cradle You're looking for #lfg-hardcore-mode, GL Agent

[random cradle]

Hows everyone today

[random cradle]

I made it to lvl 17 yay

[mellow shuttle]

Hii

[random cradle]

sup peeps

[split vine]

What level are you now?

[sweet quiver]

I’ve recently hit 100 on my HC taking it steady although hard to find other Ps players to run missions with nobody ever joins call too 👎

[split vine]

Well done. Answering random is very high risk. I am not surprised no one answers. I would not lfg either. Joining a group that runs hc is better approach imo. You need to know that basic safety will be maintained. Jumping in and out a session can put you at risk to name one issue. I used to run on ps and at that time there were a few players about.

[round mauve]

@sweet quiver If you want to find teammates, make sure you check out #lfg-hardcore-mode, you can probably find someone before too long there.

[sweet quiver]

Yeah seems to be the case I don’t mind solo I like the high risk factor 1 life and all that, my usual group of friends recently died and they haven’t been bothered to start fresh 😫

[random cradle]

20 i think.l im on my story charater

[split vine]

Good job. Im 34 now i think. By story character do you mean hc or normal non permadeath one?

[random cradle]

Normal

[wanton kiln]

lol

[sly bear]

117th death because I can’t stop going into countdown 🤣

Upside I am finally at 30k club on my HC watch

[wanton kiln]

I'm still onmy first hc char that made it to endgame, 117 deaths is crazy 😅

but lvl 30k is crazy too 😛

[split vine]

Thats a lot time in game. Maybe 117 deaths is not so bad. I must around 20now

[viral urchin]

Sometimes the game just decides to make you start over. I stopped counting the lost characters, but I make sure to clip the video makes for good laughs at the end of the day.

[split vine]

I agree. I have theory they implement a dynamic difficulty framework in addition to the world difficulty. That affect npc movement and damage reduction. There are defo times they bob and weave and others they stand there waiting for a head shot

[sly bear]

Yeah I have all but the first 5 clipped

[viral urchin]

If I wasn’t so lazy, I would make a video for YouTube.

[sly bear]

Ditto

[swift ivy]

A bit late mentioning this: The game doesn’t differentiate between regular and Hardcore calls, so even if you answer, most of them the game will refuse afterwards. So this is quite inefficient and even people who are inclined, just don’t bother answering after a while.

[split vine]

I thought it was separate. I never answer on hc and often do on sc. good to know

[half oracle]

There is any HC clan on Xbox recruiting?

[sly bear]

I wouldn’t say I am recruiting but I have room in my clan we are a HC clan but a lot have left for newer HC clans.

HKE WHS and a few others are also open. Mine is WAR burglar of War.

I can DM you our discord if you want to check us out there’s a few of the other clans in there

[half oracle]

thanks man i got inside HKE great guys!

[round mauve]

General PSA: you can LFG for Hardcore mode down in #lfg-hardcore-mode, GL Agents

[zenith rivet]

can you matchmake in this or realism mode ??

[split vine]

Yes in hc. Realisim mode is overlay so yeah probably

[sly bear]

The beacon has been lit

HCs let’s roll

Crossplay yo

[quick heath]

Crossplay when lol

[twin gorge]

HC will greatly benefit from crossplay

The other thing I would want is if you answer a backup call you spawn in the nearest safe house

[split vine]

True but they said 2026 so sooner rather than later

[round mauve]

With the DLC announced for 2026, I would be not surprised if they're tied in together, or at least close for a release date.

[split vine]

Yes unfortunately no longer shared with main account but the event that rain named and exotic stuff more than make up for any loss if access

[viral urchin]

I got the new exotic backpack from one of the anniversary caches on HC .Threw it in the stash and my SC character has access to it.

[vale bobcat]

So in realism mode - is there a way to create a HC character after the character selection or do I need to delete the character and start fresh?

[twin gorge]

Delete and make a HC char

[wanton kiln]

well hc is kinda boring now that all the risk is gone...

[split vine]

In what way has it gone?

[twin gorge]

HC is w/e you want it to be
You don't need to use the stash
You don't need to get the shared blueprints/materials

[weak lotus]

If it’s too easy for you, you could always step it up a gear and try HC incursions/raids/legendary..?

[split vine]

The new realism mode is a step up too

[sweet quiver]

I recently made a HC and the only negative for me was watch level carrying over, means as long as you have a HC backup level 35-40 you can get your main back too easily, if you died and lost the lot would make things better imo

[viral urchin]

Nonetheless you still need to grind the story missions again,specializations etc.

[split vine]

Exactly no one would bother. There is too much in the end to not have a save point. This mode is a beta there is a lot that could be improved.

[split vine]

Have you tried realism mode. Thats wipe or complete system

[rough geyser]

I recently created a HC character, and I’m searching a HC guild

[wanton kiln]

The risk of being forced to lose everything on deaths is gone. Sure you can keep carrying everything on your char if you wanted to, but giving the choice isn't hardcore... I think if the stash was per char instead of account wide maybe it would be more hardcore, but now the game mode has been degraded to mediumcore

[wanton kiln]

When you saw a HC before this update they deserved a salute. Everything that char had, that char earned, it was an undeniable fact. That is not longer the case.

[split vine]

Thats your opinion. Before you shared your stash with rest of your account. So that does nt meet your definition either. You have to farm everything again now. Lets see what yhey come up with next.

The realism mode might offer something

[twin gorge]

Stash in HC was introduced 2 years ago with project resolve
I'm not sure what's new in HC I don't see anything

[split vine]

He is just relating to stash and grind.

[twin gorge]

I would understand that a bit better if people didn't lose their HC chars to deltas/crashes/ freezes out of their control

[wanton kiln]

yeah my hc char is 2 years old so I just noticed the stash thing

[split vine]

That explains it.

[wanton kiln]

I just beat my HC goals so I was thinking about making a new char that's when I noticed the stash

[split vine]

How many days straight have you gone on one hc character? Thats one measure. Difficulty in the game has changed. Herioc is high risk as is legendary. Ofc you dont have to use your stash

[wanton kiln]

my hc char has 14 days playtime

[split vine]

Ok some have months

[wanton kiln]

I just hit 1k SHD and have every exotic/named item I want etc... thus I feel done with him

[split vine]

I can understand that. Ubi are restructuring ‘seasons’ to address that plateau in the end game. Have you got everything from retaliation?

[wanton kiln]

what do you mean got everything

[split vine]

Blueprints mostly if you have all the weapons

[wanton kiln]

I have most of the blueprints, not all of them, but I'm not a farm for the sake of farming kind of player, if I don't want a thing I don't do the thing to get it

aren't blueprints account wide?

[split vine]

Yes they are

[worldly loom]

One HC-obsessive player I know used to buy additional copies of the game on new accounts (especially when it's super cheap like now) in order to get a 'true HC' experience, reaching thousands of shd without the benefit of carried-forward shd levels, shared materials and blueprints, etc

[wanton kiln]

yeah that's now my hc is

my 4th hc char and the only one who made it to endgame

so I had nothing carry over

but now it outside of the challenge of getting to 40, it's kind of lost it edge to me

maybe they'all make a new "extreme hardcord" mode where stash and SHD is per char 😛

[split vine]

Have you played all content with what you have?

The climax missions, incursion, raid

[wanton kiln]

yes I've done everything except the raids on my hc char

I will not be doing them though, I have zero interest on relying on other players 😉

[worldly loom]

Well, for this month hc realism mode is a fresh new challenge at least

[wanton kiln]

yeah hc realism is pretty cool

[twin gorge]

Do any remaining hunters on HC

[split vine]

But at what level?

[viral urchin]

Time to solo climax mission’s

[sly bear]

I hate realism mode. If I wanted to play that I would go to ghost recon wildlands. To me it’s not Division. No builds no armor no looting. It’s just not the game, I love but I guess others love it.

[split vine]

They just trying things. Too many players crying stuff isnt hard enough. No hasmst protection in wony is tough. For me survival is the epitome of the concept for the division.

[crystal bane]

Exactly this. It doesn't even fit into a looter shooter. I'm just really hoping they aren't testing this for div 3

[split vine]

Looting what is the question for a while now. Resources has been the answer. Really you guys are fixating on this one mode. The game is complex and has many elements to it. Its a rpg looter shooter for someone buying the game and starting out fresh. The realism mode is for veteran players who have done everything. Hardcore on that mode really is punishing.

[twin gorge]

if realism was balanced I would be more ok with it, but fire is ridiculous at times.

That and no real incentive reward wise to do it on HC, I skipped it after I completed it with a non HC char
And it still has rpg elements on the mods and gear, it's just toned down

[split vine]

Yes well its a experiment isnt it. Its set to normal or hard i think. There are too many complaints about content not being hard enough. Well ubi wants to sell some wony. So it is lol. For hc with no haz pro is not worth entering with lots of skill based hazards. I agree on that. Some have done it still

[west stirrup]

I loved realism mode. Yes it needs a lot of polish, but I really liked returning to Tom Clansy games style.
Would be great to see it as new permanent game mode

[frank flame]

Hello yall

[round mauve]

@stable remnant You're looking for #lfg-hardcore-mode, GL Agent

[stable remnant]

Thank you.

[sharp pollen]

this is deff a spicy link person ^^

[round mauve]

Did you mean "claire", or the one I tagged in my message?

[sharp pollen]

sorry I meant claire Ive got a few "people" like that In my discord and other community discords they are link seller If you picking up what im putting down

If I tag you from the wrong message thats my bad hahha

[round mauve]

All good, bot's sorted out now.
If you see a white name, it's likely that they are no longer in this server, especially if you see them in any platform-specific role.

[barren wave]

Why should they? That was the question.

Dont worry about that.
It was a simple question.

[austere pollen]

What in the world happened to hardcore mode after the update????

[weak lotus]

What’s up?

[austere pollen]

My friend, my hardcore character disappeared after the update

[weak lotus]

Ah that’s rough. Try logging on/off again? Or contact the developers

[round mauve]

@ripe crater You're looking for #lfg-hardcore-mode, GL Agent

[brave quarry]

Anyone else here with issues to join here with issues to start the WoNY with their hardcore character after finishing the main story? Lvl 32 already. Just stuck on a boosting screen.

[viral urchin]

Usually logging in and out fixes most bugs.

[twin gorge]

Did you complete the invasion? HC characters can't boost

[brave quarry]

This was it. Very unclear as i did get the "quest" to go to WoNY. Finally fixed thanks!

[past prawn]

Hi 👋

[round mauve]

@royal pilot You're looking for #lfg-hardcore-mode, GL Agent

[tight crag]

They should definitely add some kind of reward system to harcore mode so there's a reason to play seen as tho you have to grind from level 1 to 40 just to die and start all over and the only thing that's unique to the mode is the arm patch love the mode but have no reason to play

Same with realism mode no reason to play maybe give the players material, shd caches or exotic caches for leveling or completing challenges

[split vine]

The reason is the challenge or whatever intrinsic value you attach. There will never be anything exclusive gear or weapon related.

I just got the raid commendation today. That was great to get. Going around doing flawless is something few players can do

[urban spoke]

There's some Clan? hard to find one focus on hardcore mode

[split vine]

I was the only hc player and the group are some of the best ive seen. Train frequently and three were training. Ddmf is hc focused but inactive. With the escalation mode dropping and retaliation getting more, im less inclined to play hc. I still like the concept. That is hopefully properly represented in survivors 2.0.

[urban spoke]

thats really nice.. I dint knew you could do the raid with "normal" players.. congrats.. and i agree, with the new content, It brought a breath of fresh air to the game, but I confess that hardcore always appeals to me; I think everything is more worthwhile, and every step has to be thought through, making us appreciate the game more.

[sly bear]

There is about 200 of us on Xbox that love it. It’s pretty great way to take the game to a whole new level. Besides for dying and just respawning it makes it more fun a change in tactics. And to push the limits of the one life play. I wish there was a HC Raid leaderboard or a HC incursion leaderboard or even a legendary or mastery HC leaderboard. That would be kind of cool

[jade coyote]

Yeah! I’d really love to see more rewards, things like patches or some kind of recognition for Hardcore players! I’ve got a lot of friends who play, but only a handful are willing to even try Hardcore.
Don’t get me wrong, I was nervous at first too. But after playing so many games where death and strategy don’t really matter, Hardcore feels different in the best way. Every decision counts, every moment has purpose, and recklessness actually has consequences. There’s something really satisfying about being able to say you pulled something off on Hardcore!

[sly bear]

I hear there’s an actual PC HC raid team that does raids daily. I been trying to put a team like that on Xbox for years. After a few raids people move on

[torpid marsh]

Well I'm glad the call for assistance went through to you dude, as we are an exclusively Hardcore only clan and just trying to get up and running- it's been nice having you aboard dude! Had fun today rolling with you and Xaero.

[candid crater]

I don't know why I bothered doing Summit solo. Bloody Rogue Agents killed me, because I was too stubborn to just back out when I got the warning.

[worldly loom]

Summit rogues can be cheesed quite easily with a turret drone build if you have one, but always a bit of a worry. I remember once restarting DUA 3 times on HC because I kept getting rogues and wasn't confident enough to take them on

[candid crater]

I went over to my normal character for a bit, but honestly, there's just no thrill there, now.

I like Hardcore for the thrill of knowing if I screw up, I have to spend hours going through this whole damn story AGAIN.

Hell of a motivation not to die.

[candid crater]

So, which activities blend matchmaking for Hardcore and normal?

I know Countdown can merge the two, but what about Summit, Escalation, Raids?

[weak lotus]

Hardcore players can join softcore raids

[sly bear]

Raids and countdown

[sly bear]

I have done it 126 times in the 6 years I have been playing HC lol 🤣

Just be grateful you don’t have to go through 4 world tiers anymore and Manhattan to get your watch. Plus we have stashes now.

It used to take us 18 to 30 hours to get our characters back maybe 6 to 12 with a good group of boosters. Now it can be done solo in like 10 to 16 hours solo and 2 hours in a group.

I know most core players don’t understand the value in being able to craft all the exotics but it is a godsend on HC

[limber osprey]

last time i played, it took me 250 lvls to get the momento lol

[sly bear]

Retaliations my friend get the blue print and bam. Momento any time you need one. Best to run it with friends so you don’t die but you can do it on core and with sharing materials get it that way too

[limber osprey]

oh ive already got them, that was like 3 yrs ago before all the changes

[sly bear]

Yeah cool. The game has made it so much easier for us on HC I for one am not complaining but I don’t know if I want to prototype anything on HC

Maybe farm for the builds when it’s available but even than I don’t know

[candid crater]

I never appreciated Bullet King on normal, but on Hardcore? The no reloading is actually pretty damn helpful. It's not the best exotic, but damn do I enjoy being able to shoot 1000 bullets without having to spend 3-5 business days reloading, when I'm getting rushed by an elite bomber.

[proper juniper]

I think they ought to rename the talent to "Freedom Dispenser"

[candid crater]

I lost my HC character.

I manage to get rhrough SO MANY MISSIONS having never taken a down, but the ONE TIME I decide to take a different Hive, to level it up, I take a down and that's it. 😔

[sly bear]

Yep sorry for the lost but I hope you get back on that horse and run her back up. Yeah I rarely run the reviver hive to me it’s a false sense of security

[candid crater]

It was wild, because for most of the time I was running it, I never downed and needed to be revived. So I was gonna do a couple Hard missions, just to help get some XP on the other Hives, and I went down to a damn suicider that I didn't see (had Fog of War on). The worst thing was, looking back, the death would've been avoidable if I was held just a bit further back for a while.

I might come back to it next month, but I can't lie and say it wasn't pretty disheartening. Probably gonna hold off on another run until I get 007 First Light and play that.

[marble zenith]

Hi, just lost my first hc character after just getting to 40 😩.

Do you guys do something special to get to level 40 faster or just going through story again as usual?

[viral urchin]

Usually go to a lvl 40 players map and have them do missions on higher difficulties for more xp. Grand Washington on story mode with a couple directives will get you from lvl 1-8 if I remember correctly. Multiple ways to get to 40 faster but they will need a player with his watch/40 to help.

[frozen copper]

Or, not so time consuming for the lvl 40 player, he unlocks all your save houses, so you can at least fast travel to your missions..
https://youtu.be/h_ZZ1GE2fOk?si=CUzp6QF6W4tKiujw&t=778 - iKia tips

[marble zenith]

I see, thanks

[tawny gorge]

Hello

[worldly loom]

You still have to run through every mission on story difficulty, but one thing that can help for future characters is if you find a low level brandset item, once you unlock tinkering you can throw a max armour core on it and put it in your stash for new characters, it'll give them a huge survivability boost (when solo).

@tawny gorge This channel is for discussing hardcore (permadeath) mode. If you're looking for other players to group with in game please use #lfg-xbox

[marble zenith]

Do you know if I need to also de the invasion to unlock the rest of the endgame? Or just reach 40

[worldly loom]

You need to complete the invasion up to tidal basin yes

[slim radish]

This channel is for structured feedback on the upcoming hardcore mode for The Division 2. Please also provide detailed feedback about the hardcore mode in the forums: https://forums.ubisoft.com/forumdisplay.php/2008-Suggestions-amp-Feedback

[lean gyro]

First dib : death outside combat shouldnt count because some bugs may occured

[kindred forum]

I really wish we can have an extra character for this mode. I consider myself a hardcore player and already got 4 characters with current builds on them. It kinda hurts to be forced to delete one for this new mode.

[summer mountain]

@kindred forum or a separate character list or no character option in this mode.

[stray quail]

i thought this is for feedbacks, not early opinions

[summer mountain]

well it says feedback on the upcoming hardcore mode

so...

[stray quail]

ya, after you tried it...

[summer mountain]

i dono

[stray quail]

i dono, didn't expect to feedback something never had/tried. hehe.

[summer mountain]

I thought its feedback on the idea

[kindred forum]

I won't be able to try it since I already have 4 characters

that's a feedback

[stray quail]

it is? damn.

ok leave you to it then.

[kindred forum]

thanks

[slim radish]

@stray quail The general idea has been announced with some information. So any initial thoughts. And then when the mode releases, you can post more.

[stray quail]

well that's brilliant. i'll gather up some thoughts...

[fleet briar]

Division 2 Nuzlocke challenge 😛

[frank flame]

I'm excited for it. thank you for the new mode. Nice to see the devs come up with side projects like this one

[ornate lily]

cant test hardcore bcs of 4 chars limitation, thats my feedback

[stoic slate]

yes, having to delete a toon makes me sad.

[trail crag]

Need to address the duplicate apparel cache's exp if it's available in HC mode

if it's available and works just like the live game rn
we gonna have some player just opening caches to lvl 30

[nimble jungle]

so i take it this "hardcore" mode is like
noone can help you,you must play solo
and if you make a "hardcore" character if you die the character gets deleated or like youll lose XP or drop what ever is not in your stash

just as long as this wont effect your main character thats cool by me

[lean gyro]

@nimble jungle no you can team up but only with other hardcore people

[nimble jungle]

👌

[lean gyro]

How else are you gonna do raid then? Also char gets deleted

[nimble jungle]

ouch

i would rather have it so you lose progress or something

[lean gyro]

Meh we going serious for all the cosmetics

[nimble jungle]

just as long as like you cant make your main character into a hardcore

and your stash wont be effected

also if you make a hardcore character how will the DZ work?

[lean gyro]

The same but everyone in DZ are hardcore

[nimble jungle]

ah ok so if say you kill another player thats a hardcore you just deleated

[lean gyro]

Yup

[nimble jungle]

hmm hardcore DZ prop will be empty then because noone will want to lose there character to another player

[lean gyro]

Most likely

[autumn cypress]

My problem with HC is the loot. It'll be too difficult and damn near impossible for many and just way too frustrating for others (though i'm sure will enjoy)

how is massive gonna incentivize this mode other than w/ a better loot?

it'll be DZ all over again. You put the best loots in HC, everyone at least tries it, dies, gets frustrated and whine, massive migrates loot out of HC and ppl don't see the point of HC and it'll become obsolete

[soft heart]

@ Massive: If you already bring a new gamemode into the game, then you should also add another character slot so that everyone can use the new gamemode.
Since you haven't added any new content to the game, many players have gone over to leveling Twinks.
And now you want to get players to delete a levelled twinkle to test "Hardcore Beta"?
Sorry, but you really don't all have each other anymore. (Forgive the last sentence, but I really can't put it any other way.)
I wish you and all players a nice advent.
Elac

[quaint glen]

with hardcore theres no changes to loot drops, loot chances, content difficulty etc. at this point. limitations on stash, matchmaking & co-operative aspects to keep hc v hc etc.
it's definitely niche, definitely for those seeking that extra challenge.

[lean gyro]

I seek more cosmetics

[zenith frost]

@soft heart I agree I cant see myself deleting a character to test hardcore mode with no promise of exclusive account wide loot considering the already limited inventory space in this game. The stash IMO could really use a separate mod space storage area with about 1000 slots in it. Managing inventory and swapping loadouts is a major pain atm!

[copper orchid]

that hardcore mode is gonna kill div2. too many tech issues (bullet registration, lag, buggedskills&glitches, etc.) a raiddeath means the end of the raid, except if you have 3 chars lined up waiting 😄 its like with that hyped flying armorSuitGame: a manager decides to make money on something someone else did on a balanced game. but Div2 isnt even cloe to these games (tech, support, community). But OFC they will give you a x2-5 EXPboost to give you the illusion of easy progress.

[frank flame]

There are no plans to include a XP boost when Hardcore Mode releases. In terms of game crashes, bugs and glitches, TU6.1 will also include a variety of fixes and we'll continue to do additional fixes, of course.

With my RNG its gonna take 1000 raid Chest openings before I get my EB

And I’ll only play the lz

When I reach lvl 30 what will happen?

It works the same way as the normal game modes, you can then go through WT 1 - 5 and participate in all activities there, but you will only be matchmade with other HC characters.

So in the raid I wonder how people will survive the drones at the beginning

And can I reach lvl 30 by doing all main missions first then side missions?

You can level up however you want and did for the normal game, yes.

For the next 4 days I’ll train myself to stay in cover and never face tank

Also will there be a worlds first reward for reaching WT5 first

Not in Beta but it's something we'd do if the community feels like this could be a cool event.

[somber oar]

Chris can you confirm that there will be no 5th slot for the HC mode?

[mortal dawn]

I like the idea personally, I’m ready for the challenge. I really hope there is some very cool and sought after rewards at the end of it. Otherwise I wouldn’t bother.

Another character slot ahould be added to make 5 100%.

[frank flame]

Not next week. We heard feedback about it and will look into how much tech it needs to make it happen. We also want to avoid that the 5th character slot will just get used as another mule.

[somber oar]

Gotcha.

[mortal dawn]

It’s nice you’re looking into it. If possible it could be a hardcore only slot.

[frank flame]

We also understand that a lot of people have the 4 characters to do more inventory management simulation and that's obviously an issue. We have some things we're working on that will hopefully help with that but it will take some more time. So adding another character might be a solution for the immediate future. We'll keep you guys posted.

[mortal dawn]

Nice. Thanks for the response

[tardy raft]

is on pts?

[frank flame]

It will be on the live server on Tuesday after the maintenance.

[mortal dawn]

What experience will you get with Hardcore character? Will it be everything +endgame and the raids?

[frank flame]

You start at level 1 and go through the same things as the normal character. Same XP, same journey from 1-30, WT1 - WT5. You can participate in the Raid and the DZ if you wish to do so. You'll only encounter other Hardcore Mode agents.

[soft heart]

@frank flame More Time for what? To enter one Char. Slot more? I think one Char. Slot more cant be a problem.

But thanks that you answer here.

[frank flame]

There's some tech stuff we need to figure out. Every character needs a save file, selecting it has to work in the UI, etc. The game was build with 4 character slots, it's not like just replacing a 4 with a 5 in notepad. 😉

[mortal dawn]

Amazing stuff Chris. Thankyou again.
Die in the DZ or wipe in the raid and bam! Perma death 😬

Pressure will be on

[soft heart]

@frank flame I think that this could have been taken into account when creating the HC mode. I can't get rid of the feeling that TD2 is just a patchwork. Hoping to keep the players happy somehow. Nothing that comes is thought through to the end.

[frank flame]

Yes, we could have waited to release the Hardcore Mode and add these things but then it would've needed more time. We wanted to have a small present for the holidays and are releasing it in Beta mode.

We understand that there are many dedicated agents that have 4 characters and that they might not be able to play sucks. So we'll look into it. The majority of players do not have 4 characters though.

[lean gyro]

There are players that fully farmed on all 4 characters so gotta make it fair for everyone

[terse terrace]

@lean gyro agree

[frank flame]

Agreed.

[soft heart]

@frank flame I admire the way you're trying to save something that words can't save.

If you want the additional Cahr. slot with the HC mode you will lose players over Christmas.

There won't be all players because not all have 4 chars, but some do. 😉

But if you can afford it.

[frank flame]

I'm not trying to save anything. The Beta will look like I'm explaining. What I want to assure everybody is that we'll continue to work on the game and that includes making changes to Hardcore Mode.

[soft heart]

I can only talk about myself, but with me you have all the advance there was completely gambled away.

[frank flame]

Understood.

[lean gyro]

10/10 would tryhard hardcore for cosmetics

[final vector]

Hardcore gives cosmetics?

[lean gyro]

Yes but only 1 is revealed

[final vector]

I hope its not a bunny suit 😏

[lean gyro]

It's a YOLO cap :v

[terse terrace]

imo, HC mode should reward player more than casual play. Something like level progression that 2-3 times faster. Better gear stat & talent drop in order to help them progress faster into the end game content. That might make HC more interesting.
You might want to consider the HC mode is viable to be finished in weekend time. Not all of us can spend game time more RL time.

[lean gyro]

I disagree with faster level progession due to if it's like 3 times faster you might level so fast that you will have more level than new missions you just unlocked

[terse terrace]

yeah, i never thought of that 😁

maybe HC mode should remove the side mission requirement to progress faster, so player only need to do main mission.
also, skip all cutscene by default. most player already seen that 2-3 times with the other character.

player trying HC mode already known the story behind TD2

[final vector]

Maybe skip whole game then xD

[primal bear]

yea.. I don't get why people want HC to skip anything

Just keep it exactly the same as the main game

[mortal dawn]

I’m more Intreated in HC raid. You die you’re out? Or is it team Wipe and you’re out?

DZ should be fun too

[primal bear]

I'd assume, die and you're out

personal responsibility

[somber oar]

say you party with another agent and 1 of you died, can the other agent rez u?

[tardy raft]

lol well i allready stored gear in my stash and delete one char so im rdy

[ripe wolf]

have done the same deleted 1 just means i have to lvl 2 specs on another char

[quaint glen]

@somber oar at present effectively at present it looks like where in regular game you get option to respawn, that is death/dead/permadead

[ripe wolf]

yeah dont bleed out 🙂

[quaint glen]

Before that point, if you're rezzable, you're not dead.. just mostly dead

(To quote [princess bride)

[devout hamlet]

I honestly love the idea, people complain they want more content in the game when the Devs give you what you ask for your still not happy.

[zealous cave]

I think that will be a good challenge 👍

[true quartz]

Can we have all name plates removed in the DZ and not flag us rogue.

I'd love to corner camp with a nemesis.

I know it's an absolute bastard thing to do. But I'd just want to ruin someone's day.

On a helpful note. Please can we have a HC only toon. I really don't want to delete my 4th.

[unreal flame]

if you want to camp then go play something like cod

[true quartz]

@unreal flame sorry Bane.

[devout hamlet]

Camping is stupid and lame

[mortal dawn]

Snipers not aloud to camp?

Cod snipers be running around 360 no scoping people.

[devout hamlet]

So in otherwords you need to camp cause you suck and need easy kills

[mortal dawn]

I never said that. I’m simply pointing out the fact that sniper play is camping.

[true quartz]

Temper shot bitches. Piow piow. On a serious note I was taking the piss. But no name plates would be quite cool. Easier to run etc.

Just make the conflict talent kick in so you cant get one shotted by a nemesis unless engage on each other.

[mortal dawn]

Personally, I’d like a AR for all gunfights but a nemesis for long distance.

[devout hamlet]

So no name plates and you risk wiping out a team mate hmm

[true quartz]

@devout hamlet eh? Do you even play DZ? You can't friendly fire. 😟

[mortal dawn]

I would not sit still with a sniper but peak corners checking range I would.

No nameplates and friendly fire would be a massive risk. I like it.

[devout hamlet]

I do play DZ obviously you don't play it right way if you need to camp out to get kills.

[robust wave]

there’s a right way?

[true quartz]

@devout hamlet seems to think so. My way is wrong. I'd not use a nemesis anyways. My Diamondback does the same and fires 8* faster.

[robust wave]

perfect

[quaint glen]

Lets try to keep on topic please agents & rogues

[worthy crow]

I haven't checked this server in a while, what do we know?

[lean gyro]

About hardcore? It's basically making a new character and leveling again like normal but death is permanent. This character cannot transter gears to other characters. There's also exclusive gears and cosmetics for this mode and exclusive cosmetics are transferable

[glacial hawk]

This fk knuckle one shot me last night when we were literally pvp 1 v1 with like 5 people watching . Numbskull onecshots me from behind the turrets .

[lean gyro]

Uh sir this is hardcore feedback

[lament laurel]

^

[stark cloud]

I think HC is a great idea - done correctly i hope it will encourage more group play and push the metas

have a reason to encourage ppl in the clan to play the game again

I do hope there are new challenges outside of what is in LZ and its not just running through the base game again with the same events / enemies

ie some of the factions need to have a new type of enemy or abilities to counter what is being done now - enemy engineers can deploy mobile skill disruptors, more scout copters patrolling the streets, events where it becomes a manhunt situation and every enemy on the map is chasing your group and you have to use map knowledge, chokes to fight them off

or new ways to experience the game - 1 person of the team goes to the white house and operates a drone and can direct teammates to certain areas of the map for objectives (would be great during a manhunt event), can call mini mortar attack at strategic areas,

how did pvp hardcore mode work in diablo's series? did it encourage a lot of fights? I'm not sure permanent death feature for DZ would encourage more activity

[atomic steppe]

Of most things, the first thing which this game needs to bring back players IMO is the survival mode, and make DZ more suited for PvP, right now, the rewards for PvPing in DZ is not that lucrative. Currently imo it just feels like an extension to the normal map

[opal dragon]

survival wouldnt work the same way dz doesnt work right now: because its split into 3 zones

[elfin coral]

Yep

[devout hamlet]

They already said they were not doing survival.

[unreal flame]

i would think hardcore is survival

[cerulean wagon]

When I first heard about the introduction of a HC mode to Div2, I was very excited........still am. The very fact that being killed is permanent, would fundamentally change the nature of the game. Forcing characters to play more tactically. I've read all the comments here and have a few thoughts. A lot of folks think another char slot should be created. I don't see a problem with this, but do understand the devs hesitancy to go that way. With a player base this large and a loot table the size of this game, that introduces a big concern about the database they already have to manage. However I have a feeling that, if they can justify the expansion, they will. Personally the choice to create 4 characters, for any reason, is a personal choice. I used to have 4 characters, and eventually whittled it down to just 2. Those are personal choices and nothing that the game requires us to do.

The only suggestion I would make, without having tried HC mode yet of course, is perhaps considering how the DZ's would work. One big problem many games have is griefing. Whether or not it makes sense to any of us, if someone gets their jollies over how many HC agents they've deleted, they will find that perfect spot and try to blast as many as they can. Regardless of whether they get any loot out of it. So perhaps the devs could consider something unique to this mode in the DZ. Perhaps someone who kills another HC agent in the DZ would have them permanently marked as a target for other players. Obviously there would have to be exceptions made as it's likely not that simple. But lets see how this shakes out, and what might and might not work when it comes to the DZs.

[quaint glen]

@cerulean wagon nice write up.

@cerulean wagon just a fyi.. hc dz will be against other hc chars, so (at least for me) if they're good enough to dz pvp snd survive .. ggs to them.

[cerulean wagon]

Good point. Just trying to think outside the box a bit 🙂

[quaint glen]

Yep, thus my original kick off with "nice write up".. meant it.

[cerulean wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-and-love-thanks-thanks-dude-thanx-gif-12153004

[true quartz]

@cerulean wagon nice write up. I personally will feel gutted deleting my 4th WT5 character who has a shot at the new raid for exclusive loot. But appreciate the Devs adding something like this.

It basically makes everything great about Remnant from the ashes and adds it here. That tense feeling. I can't wait to jump onto a HC raid leaderboard with a speedtime. That feeling will be immense.

Bring. It. On.

[quaint glen]

world 1st hc raid completion...

[true quartz]

@quaint glen oh I'm going to try. New photo in the Whitehouse maybe? I hope the board will remove the players if they die from it. Give a real gamble to trying to beat your time.

Over time I'd like to see maybe some short cuts to a few exotics. Going to need that nemesis. 3 weeks could be a real pain. Hahah.

[cerulean wagon]

@true quartz Mad respect brother

[true quartz]

@cerulean wagon I'll probably fuck up at boomer. Got to try though hahaha.

[cerulean wagon]

🤣

What I like about this idea, also, is that it seemingly takes the game out of the category of "just another shooter"

Potentially, that is

[true quartz]

@cerulean wagon absolutely. 100%.

[shy cipher]

I think that this mode isn't really good. Grinding, leveling and building an agent takes a bit of time and sometimes you can die accidentally. I personally wouldn't want to create an agent, spend like 100-200 hours and loosing everything permanently. If it was more like a hardcore mission, something like 4-8 platers could do that would be awesome, get gear, team up, and work together : get something from contaminated zones, vaccine, ingredients, and bring it back to BoO. Lots of enemies, elites,named etc. Just an idea. 😉

[pallid crystal]

I dont feel like hardcore perma death mode really fits into The Division rather have survival back like

Just have one of the dark zones be a extraction point. That people have to race too. 42 player games with that you least get into engagements. Like I have shit Tons of ideas to make survival work with this game. It's just finding somebody that's really willing to listen to my whole plan is Kinda hard to come across these days. Because I know I can make survival work.

Honestly HC mode is more of a Ghost Recon Breakpoint mode

Or

Offer where the whole DC map is pretty much DayZ but without the zombies. Maybe like a rust kind of deal.

[errant locust]

I love the HC idea, really looking forward to start the fun. Just wish the permadeath wouldn't put us back to L1 'cause L1-30 is a useless grind and big waste of time.

[quaint glen]

@shy cipher 100-200 hours without dying is quite a feat..

@errant locust what would you have it do, without making it way too easy with wt5 gs 500 gear..

[true quartz]

@pallid crystal 🤣 🤣 🤣 that post made me spit out my tea. Classic.

[errant locust]

Let us reach L30 once and prove we can get it done, create a save point at this point and permadeath brings us back to the beginning of the endgame with the stash from the earlier savepoint. No need to prove over and over again that we can survive the early game.

[true quartz]

The 1-wt5 can be done in sub 10 hours with booster hives and roller balls. We're taking s solid team of 4 going for this.

HC mode most will wipe on route to 30. 0.005% at best will even gear up close enough to raid. A miniscule amount will clear. I like it. 😬

There's 14 missions iirc. So 30 mins each is 7hours. 3 strongholds 2 hours. Then 6 missions and 3 more strongholds.

Even going steady pace this is a sub 15 hours job. What's the issue?

[errant locust]

Well I for one plan on doing HC solo mostly, not running around with skill builds. Running challenging and heroics in endgame once the gear is good enough to get more good gear to get raid ready again. So there will be some wipes for sure, just one moment in a bad position with a suicide bomber rushing you or a Nader hitting you and you're done. So if we're starting at L1 again then I'll be more cautious and not risk much and don't have the usual fun, just to avoid losing a day (or multiple game days) to reach the endgame again before the real game can even start again.

[true quartz]

I'd be well up for resetting at 30 and it being the only check point. But wipe our gear totally. Then put all exotics but EB into heroic pool even if you don't have them. Give us a reason to risk our necks in there.

[velvet iron]

Not gonna delete a character just to play it so unable to give feedback.

[stark cloud]

I think they meant you have to delete a character in PTS to test it for beta

would make more sense that HC creates a different instance of the map just like survival and UG did in div 1 and has separate progress track from the main game

but better for a dev / community mgr to clear this one up

[lean gyro]

Uh no you need 1 character slot for HC and those with all slots used gonna have to delete one to play it

Also PTS is not even open what do you even mean

[stark cloud]

oh boy they just throwing this live ?

[true quartz]

@stark cloud yes

Tuesday

[stark cloud]

rip

welp time to delete a character...

[elfin coral]

When will it release?

[quaint glen]

@elfin coral with TU6.1 on This Tuedsday

[frank flame]

We should have more Hunter encounters and it should be perma night time

[quaint glen]

How does that apply to peemadeath/hardcore mode @frank flame ?

[frank flame]

Cause it would make HC more scarier and yeah

[mortal dawn]

Leaderboards, Raid leaderboard would be awesome. Only the best could make it into it.

[quaint glen]

@mortal dawn - what would the non-raid lwaderboard track?

[mortal dawn]

Mission times for a group and solo, DZ kills

Also an Exp leaderboard as you will continuously earn it

[quaint glen]

Does that need to be hc specific (only hc) or is that something that could apply in general?

[mortal dawn]

HC specific, I mean normal game has its own leaderboards but having it in HC mode also, so you will be able to see your rank and push for better. At the risk of perma death it will be quite a challenge to top any leaderboard in HC mode

[quaint glen]

If Normal mode has the leaderboard already, I'm hoping that the hc mode will have the same but filtered.

[mortal dawn]

Oh indeed! It should be a fun mode. I just hope that the novelty of it dose not wear off before the next big update.
I’ll be playing it slow and steady in between speed running the raid and helping out less experienced raid players.

[cunning coral]

This is the mod that Division has always needed

very much looking forward to it

[atomic dome]

I’m interested in what difficulty the missions will be set to. I’m only concerned that developing this idea instead of other content is a worrisome use of resources when main content for people that bought the year one pass (and just the game) has already been delayed...

Here’s to hoping it’s iconic and brings people back

[quaint glen]

The missions will be exactly the same as the regular game

I don't believe that they misplaced resources to produce the hc mode beta..

[frank flame]

just call it everquest mode

[frank flame]

Yo, how do i even start on hardcore

[somber cosmos]

hardcore need medkit and support station from the division 1 not hive or armorkit

[quaint glen]

it wouldn't be Div2 hardcore/permadeath mode then..

the point is that it's not actually any harder than the regular game, it's just really not forgiving of mistakes.

[frank flame]

I'm in Aus, I thought the update was supposed to be out by now with hardcore

[timid prairie]

@frank flame Servers should go down within the hour to apply the update.

[dim lake]

wait did they update the game already?

[frank flame]

It's updating right now. Maintenance is for another 2 hours.

[dim lake]

oh

[zenith frost]

so how about those spawn points where npcs get stuck and kill me through walls or the invvisible named enemies at supply drops in DZ have those been addressed with this update because as long as that exists i think the idea of hardcore is being rushed into a game riddled with buggy ways to die

i can just see all the youtube clips coming out of this..... Uh what killed me?? LOL.

[frank flame]

Yeah, that would suck. We are adding the mode as Beta for now to figure out a bunch of things, including fixes. If you have invisible enemies killing you, please take a screenshot or video to show us the locations.

[dim lake]

i mean it doesnt hurt to try it out

[frail loom]

Super hyped to try hardcore! Just have to remember to switch to dx11 before I start playing x)

[copper orchid]

videoscreenshot? man that sounds like you have no access to serverlogfiles...

[quaint glen]

@copper orchid server log files, don't always show visual issues (I'm guessing). There's also going to be a heck load of info in those logs, so a video/pic can help In the sifting process

[copper orchid]

yeah sure. but with the players id and a timestam-p you can narrow it down quite well. Especially playerdeaths in hardmode wont show up twice per character, amirite? 😄 i am against letting the player handle reporting, videomaking and uploading. Just like paid software testers. Even worse when these report are being ignored for weeks/months.

[quaint glen]

No reports are ignored

[cerulean shore]

one the one hand I would say HC absolutely needs its own HC-only leaderboards, because just staying alive is pretty easy, if you know the game, but clearing missions fast without any failed attempts allowed is a whole different beast. but on the other hand I know exactly how these leaderboards would be flooded by cheaters anyways, on pc at least. since the start of the game, many of the mission leaderboards are topped by cheaters and massive didn't do anything about it. this is especially obvious in the heroic solo boards, when players with less than 100 hours playtime run the mission in ridiculous times without even having a decent build. this is very discouraging for players who grind hard and try their best and it devalues the leaderboards as a whole. the game clearly needs better systems to prevent cheating and in the age of machine learning, server based games should be able to implement systems that give cheat developers a really hard time. I don't know where the damage done is calculated, but I do know who much HP the enemies have on heroic and that it is impossible to do the necessary damage for a mission with some of the cheaters' shit builds, even if they are invincible and have 100% accuracy. easy anti cheat obviously isn't enough. but it would also be pretty easy to PROACTIVELY look over the leaderboards from time to time to find suspicious players and take necessary actions.

[potent loom]

well to be fair, you kinda need to be invincible after they buffed explosive damage, every grenade packs the same punch as an elite sniper dog :haha:

[feral galleon]

Kinda wondering if you are completely down, can a teammate revive you?

[devout hamlet]

If your down you can be revived, if your dead your dead

[quaint glen]

@feral galleon - where you'd have a respawn option in non-hc, you're permadead in hc

[feral galleon]

Allrighty cheers both

[pallid raven]

eewwww when dead delete d character that you hard for.? since beginning.? you serious.?

[stray quail]

why are you here

[sour nexus]

What are peoples thoughts on hardcore mode?

Think it will maintain a playerbase?

[runic pelican]

hardly..

ANd they already put commendation : Finish raid on normal diff. with HC character..and HC is in beta state..

Like .. ha-HA

[sour nexus]

Like

Hardcore mode and the DZ doesn't seem like a good combination.

[slow shale]

^^

[runic pelican]

ofc, raid too..You are forced to run Clan raid..IF u force 7more people to level so u can raid with em..

[sour nexus]

People are just going to camp the low level exits and pop off every time somebody spawns in

And the raids are basically going to slaughter the entire Hardcore community

ESPECIALLY for us console players

[runic pelican]

Yes but when u get that achivement u dont have reason to play HC anymore..and till u get to that point...This tell me that Next content update wont come soon..

[sour nexus]

Well, we definitely wont see anything until 2020

[stray quail]

well we know the one that beat raid on HC is probably a cheater, i mean to not die once in 60 hours...lol

[runic pelican]

Thing is they added BETA to HC name and as they stated : that the game is fully copied from LC, ...So ur coping Alpha/Released content(LC) and only change that it got u cant respawn after get killed and make that same content HC and u add BETA to it name..so u make sure ur side is covered if someone get killed.AND on top of it..u adding achivement to "so called" beta state of game..

if someone runs into bugs*

[slow shale]

I feel hardcore mode as it currently is, will be Pve only.
Maybe if they make it so a DZ death drops/deletes all your gear and respawns you at BOO, but naked; then maybe people would hardcore pvp. Its still very punishing BUT don’t have to relevel a toon just for a stupid pvp death.

LZ death would still delete your toon though.

A Hardcore mode can great (ie see Diablo 3 or PoE HC mode). But that’s for PvE. Hardcore mode for pvp… that’s a much finer line.

[runic pelican]

@slow shale problem is that everyone would sit in DZ and farm till they get raid ready gear/whatever knowing u cant die.. For Confict ok..but DZ hardly..

[slow shale]

well... that could mean more pvp in DZ 😂 also you would still have all your gear deleted on death. so still have to start over.

THAT i would be okay with and interested in trying out for pvp.

[quaint glen]

Dz pvp is in hc mode, but you'll matchmake only to other hc characters.
Outside dz, you'll share social-space with non-hc chars (I believe) but only group up with hc chars

[slow shale]

i know there is DZ pvp only with other HC toons. im saying it would need huge change for people to want to go pvp with a hardcore toon (ie like only gear is deleted but not the character.)

[copper orchid]

Hardmode LFG channek maybe?

[stray quail]

pvp HC? when theres aimbot wallhack xbow out there. scary.

[quaint glen]

Dunno why it's scary..

if you're at level 30 wt5 .. you've got gud..

If you decide to take that dz pvp chance at that point against other wt5 lvl 30 hc chars..

[summer mountain]

Is the hardcore mode running on separate server/instance? Or same server but can only group with same mode players?

[stray quail]

only can group with other HC players

[summer mountain]

Bcuz Im seeing players at 500 gs around

[stray quail]

you share social with LC players

[summer mountain]

Got it

Also, since the Hardcore mode is in Beta. Does the progression continue when its out of beta? Or does it reset?

[quaint glen]

It's your hc char

It shouldn't reset, but.. there's no details of hc out of beta at the moment .. so simple answer: we don't know yet

[summer mountain]

Okay

[sour nexus]

I think that Hardcore mode will drastically change how people engage with each other in the DZ

And over time I think that going rogue will be something that people consider very seriously.

Even for people who enjoy trolling others, there is so much risk in being a douchebag traitor

[summer mountain]

Yea. And I think everyone is gonna run a sniper build. Like Deadeye used to be

[sour nexus]

People will probably only enter the DZ with a full squad now.

I'm optimistic.

I mean the downside of Hardcore mode is that character customization is really limited.

[quaint glen]

It is?

[sour nexus]

yeah, there's very few options.

You get 12 faces and the sliders are set so you can't dramatically change too much about their faces.

[quaint glen]

Interesting..

[stray quail]

we all know we are gonna sport the Reaper hoodie with the mask, lul.

imagine spending 2 hours making your character cute as hell, just to die before reaching the White House in 20 minutes. lol

[misty dew]

umm is hardcore able to donate items for projects from my mains stash?

[sour nexus]

Hardcore is separate and loot cant be transfer iirc

[frank flame]

how is hardcore so far? thinking of giving it a shot :#

• 😄

[summer mountain]

Just do it 😄

Its the same gameplay. So don't expect anything else

The only prob is if you die, you start the character from scratch

Use a reviver, so that you can still get up even when downed.

But so far, I wasn't downed. Felt very easy. Let's see how far I can get that character

[frank flame]

sounds badass, reminds me of Diablo

[sour nexus]

I think that's the concept

Just dont go into the DZ

Lol

[terse terrace]

DZ stash from other character still accessible from HC char

When in HC mode, other team member will not able to revive you if your are killed

[cunning coral]

I have only played a little bit of this mode but have found myself being very cautious when attacking enemy's, this is the mode that division has always needed

It would also be nice if you got something for completing the raid on hardcore, as one slip up and it's all over

[copper orchid]

anone needs a Hardmode LFG channel? 😄

i dont like that we have no stash at all...

[quaint glen]

@misty dew - were you able to do so? It's a beta mode, so might not be intent.

@copper orchid wouldn't having a stash full of good loot invalidate the challenge of hc mode? Imo it would, but if you don't agree that's cool would love to understand your thoughts

[copper orchid]

but we have no stash at all. give us a seperate one hardmode only

[quaint glen]

So, next hc char has access to that?

Or is that wiped when you die?

[lean gyro]

Just wipe it when you die

[quaint glen]

If it gets wiped when you die what does it do for the gameplay?

[lean gyro]

Nothing it's just gone with the char

But 100 inventory slots isnt enough for hoarding good gears so we should get stash in HC mode even though it doesnt share with other characters

[quaint glen]

Why the need for hoarding?

[rotund minnow]

Well, hardcore or not, general TD2 gameplay stays the same, and hoarding loot is significant part of it. In stash you would store gear for other builds, or random pieces with good rolls to use in future. Having stash is must-have in any looter game. Though i agree that it should be unique to each HC-character and wipe with it's death.

[maiden agate]

You know i just had a thought...

in HC we would be waiting for vendor god rolls to buy our gear anyways

[lean gyro]

Hoard every good stuff cuz you never know if you will get something like that again

[quaint glen]

Certainly different way to play

[misty dew]

@quaint glen i did one to see if it would go thru and it did so yeah.

[uneven moat]

Are the droprates upped in hardcore? I just got an emelines guard p90 at level 11.

[rotund minnow]

It has nothing to do with hardcore. I've been leveling up during late october-early november and had a lot of factions named weapons drops. Heh, i got white Designited hitter at lvl 2 🙂

[uneven moat]

Fair enough, was just weird getting high end items this early on, normally I start getting them at level 18/19. -Also if you get a sleigher drop it's automatically level 30 regardless of your level.

[wide locust]

@cunning coral there is a commendation for completing the raid on HC, so you do get a patch

[quaint glen]

Sleigher is special case ..

But not all instances of named weapons are "high end"

[lean gyro]

Ever saw a white Emeline's guard? ヾ(･ω･*)ﾉ

[summer mountain]

I guess many would ve already said this. Also HC is in beta and that the devs are already working on it. But here are some of my thoughts after playing HC a bit.

• Slow (the usual) LVL 1-30, WT 1-5.
• Wonder if Raids, DZ, challenging/heroic missions is possible to reach.
• SHD tech to unlock skill variants, which require completing some side missions.
• Creating builds (raid/pve/pvp), would need a lot of farming.

And dying anywhere in between this, means, start over all this, which not many would try again. I know its hardcore thing, but even the hardcore players wouldnt want to do this long grind which they already did in the main character, or atleast in their hardcore character already, when there is a permadeath.

So why not make level ups atleast faster? Have only main missions & strongholds with no GS requirement. And completing a set of main missions will automatically level up, irrespective of xp. Also, SHD tech is awarded with level ups. So that even if dead, one can start over again without the long level up procedure and yet completing the main missions & stronghold. They can then invest the rest of the time in farming for a good build. And if item drops are made better, the faster the farming and hence more players getting into raids & DZ.

Or can make it like a campaign, by setting up the enitre route. Unlock 1 main mission at a time, which when completed is rewarded with a pre-defined XP, skill point, shd tech. That way the entire level up & tiers is predefined. But should be fast enough like the above method.

Well, I'm just throwing whats in mind. What's your thoughts Agents.

Oh and rewards. May it be patches, trophies, commendations, better items within hardcore for faster farming, etc.

[drifting folio]

I am enjoying HC if only for the reason that every firefight is tense and means more. I pushed too hard and was WAY under levelled when I died the first time. I highly recommend NOT making the same mistake. Do the side missions.... level up.... get those caches. That's what I am up to

[slow shale]

Hardcore mode is meant to be punishing and tough, and making it easier goes completely against that idea. Hardcore mode isn’t meant for everyone, and has always been niche (even in other games) and that is perfectly fine. @summer mountain

i could see adding hardcore mode stash only and possibly changing some rules so people will pvp with hardcore mode. but thats about it (of course besides better rewards for playing HC mode.).

[summer mountain]

@slow shale Yes punishing & tough. I didnt say no. But you dont get there until you reach lvl 30. Until then its damn slow & easy missions.

[elfin coral]

I die already

Around level 19

[upbeat iron]

How does the revive hive works? When you are only down correct?

Because I pick that one first

[uneven moat]

Yeah it revives when you're down. -same as usual

[quaint glen]

where you'd have a respawn option in non-hc, you're permadead in hc. Revive hive kicks in before that..

[nimble jungle]

🤔 so in HC mode revive hive is pretty much a must then

revive hive and repair chem launcher/repair drone/repair seeker thing

[quaint glen]

or you know .. be more aware.. and don't facetank as much

[nimble jungle]

i mean on the PS4 playing solo all i did was want to push the fight more

[quaint glen]

yeah, i'm just hyperbolising a bit..

[nimble jungle]

i dont really enjoy sitting behind 1 peace of cover and letting the enemys come at me

[quaint glen]

Nor I

i do like trying to blow as many up as quickly as possible..

or get a good retreat tactical manouver path

[nimble jungle]

and playing HC were legit dieing is rip that character useing healing skills and the revive hive kinda seems like a must jic you mess up

[misty dew]

play like a hunter then

be a bit more defensive but do alot of cover to cover moves, dodging to new cover when you cant use the move system i like to rotate as much as i can around the fire fight

[midnight apex]

i need a HC lfg Channel plse

[obsidian plinth]

So exactly what happens when you die in HC???

[lean gyro]

Character gets deleted

[stray quail]

your time spent wasted gets deleted

[true quartz]

I just know my revive hive won't work.... Like it hasn't for the last 10 months.

[frank flame]

Can you take some videos of those occurrences Lugton? We haven't received reports about the Reviver Hive not working in a while now. Once we explained that it needs line of sight and can be destroyed players got a good grip on it. But if you have it not work, please send it over to us and we'll gladly look into it.

[frank flame]

Is there any more new apperal items in HC other then the YOLO cap u get at lv2?

[mortal dawn]

Chris, I raid with Lugton a lot and he’s being dramatic. Wet paper bag build. There’s no issues with the Hive right now.

[frank flame]

Currently there's only the Yolo hat. And thanks wootaang. ^^

[mortal dawn]

No problem. Great stuff with Hardcore mode so far 👌

[frank flame]

Well im only missing the commendations from HC then i have every commendation in the game whats 1 apperal and 4 commendations to keep people like me playing HC?

[true quartz]

@mortal dawn 🤣 🤣 🤣

@frank flame I'll record some. On a serious note it's quite often it just stays on my back whilst I'm down.

[frank flame]

is the DZ the same in HC as in normal?

[kind drum]

Yep

[frank flame]

Is there a point going to DZ in HC if people can make low lv chars that scale up and just gank someone thats lv30 hunting for gear?

Shouldent have removed the pvp brackets we use to have when the game came out...

[slow shale]

no, because currently the reward doesnt out weigh the high risk in DZ for Hardcore.

[real scarab]

I took a long break and came back for HC. The RC bomb sound glitch scares me in HC. I think its there but its not

Also, I already posted in the forums but anyone else having trouble equiping the Stoner? The Stoners I've looted in HC mode I have not been able to equip it.

[cerulean shore]

just reached WT1 with my HC char. i started matchmaking for every mission, but I only got matched in grand washington (and played jtc with the same guy), but that's it. I would have expected more people trying it.

[slow shale]

well i mean, hardcore mode is: niche, punishing, and needs a free character slot. sooo this reduces the player pool.

[mortal dawn]

Maybe people keep dying on route to WT1?

[errant locust]

Or the few playing HC and not focussing on apparel event, holidays etc. just don't wanna risk dying by ending in a bad situation just because of a random Rambo or having to do double the work ergo twice the risk dying when grouped with a really weak player. Esp pre WT5 when we all run around with quite useless "builds" and a offensive skill less than usual since we have to have the hive with us just in case. I for one won't hit the game as hard as usual and do shepherding (at least not randoms) before WT5 with a decent enough build.

[cerulean shore]

that's the thing, you won't get rambos in matchmaking, but players who know what they're doing. the missions are not a problem, we all know them and they are predictable. if you don't go in underleveled, you should be fine. the real danger when leveling up is the open world. sometimes you run around the corner and a named boss and his entoruage wait around the corner without the radar really warning you. machine gunners are especially scary when they start firing and you don't have cover. the very first skill that I unlocked was the turret btw. can only recommend it.

[tardy raft]

i think 20% boost of xp would be nice since u need to prepare for raid in future

also that can improve matchmaking for WTs

[elfin coral]

Agreed

[midnight apex]

lfg hc lvl 18

[frank flame]

Well there is a few of us at 30 but we mostly play as a friends group but i had to delete a char to make a HC one i dont know why not just add 1-2 more char slots if u release a HC mode so think a lot of people might not want to delete chars for what 1 apperal hat and 4 armpatches? so little reward for playing in HC but a lot more to lose if u die.

[dry beacon]

Question about hardcore cosmetics. Can they transfer over to your main character? I've seen on reddit where it sometimes doesn't happen. Can anyone let me know

[stray quail]

ofc it does

[errant locust]

@cerulean shore Yeah, turret is always my first skill as well, just love it. Was weird to unlock hive as second lol Miss my seekers.
As for the elite entourage, you can avoid it mostly if you go south of the WH around every 30 minutes and farm the elites there, which is also easy loot.

[mortal dawn]

Unless I’ve missed it. Can we get some clarity on rewards to HC mode such as apparel items if any?

[frank flame]

There's currently only the Yolo hat.

[somber oar]

i believe the maintenance is adding a 5th slot

give the news chris

giveth

[frank flame]

Not something we can add quickly, so no. That's not coming today.

Or any time soon, for that matter. It will require some tech investigation and some smart people to figure some things out. The game wasn't meant to have 5 slots, so there's some investigating to do.

[cerulean shore]

@errant locust oh I do know how to play safe, don't worry. I'm solo at WT3, so I was able to stay alive nand now I'm strong enough for any place in the open world 😉 I just said, open world is the more dangerous part of the way to lvl 30. I only was downed once by a outcast sniper and some barrel exploded next to me. now I'm demloitionist and should be fine. still scared of poison 😉 AND THE AGENT EDWARDS MISSION!! hahaha

[errant locust]

Luckily never went down yet, got close at L1 or 2 with the loot goblin of all people, but that was it. Suicide bombers scared me, the chain link nades if you don't spot them early enough and the true sons nade launcher heavy, but that's about it, BT dogs in WT might become a problem, we'll see.
Agent Edward's mission is no real problem, did it right away when it appeared and didn't have too much trouble. Armor was gone 1-2 times, but using the walls of the room as cover and just keep moving around it worked fine, he doesn't really hunt you. But I forgot about hunters turning our skills against us and dropped my turret, that's the only thing that really got my armor down lol

[barren charm]

I am sure this has already been spoken about but this is what I feel.

1. Give more rewards for the hardcore character, - Maybe exotic caches for items that cant be crafted when reaching level 30 and wt5? (merciless sweet dreams btsu etc)
2. Remove the death penalty from Dz? - I mean no one would want to go to DZ as if you are dead there it's over. Dz will be like the last man standing area - eventually, over time people will die in DZ at least once and I don't think they would want to start over again
3. Raid - hmm it's gonna be super hard for people to finish raid without dying, pro raiders and speedrunners will be able to finish it but if you play the raid say 20 times you will die at least once right? so yeah its a dead end there as well.
4. Hardcore is high risk so the reward should be high as well - 2x the loot drop for heroic missions and remove Purple drops at wt5 (yeah remove that even in the regular game it doesn't give good rolls (very rare only on alps with high health and skill power on the chest)
5. Bring back resistance from division 1 in hardcore with loot drops but removing the penalty of death as in dying does not kill the character, this will make more people wanna play hardcore to reach wt5 to play something new
6. Give access to stash but with no items (dont show items of other characters)
7. Enable hardcore charcter only if a agent has atleast 1 character in wt5 so they understand the game and disable tutorails in harcore i

people cannot last forever in hardcore they will die at somepoint so making some tweeks like this will want people to play again if they die

[tardy raft]

i belive Ruthless and Lullaby is preorder bonus blueprints but ye would be nice to have them and be able to lvl up diffrent way or same way with som exotic caches materials

1-30

resistance from division 1 is survival arcade wont fit HC

[lean gyro]

Uh dude merciless and sweet dreams are ingame obtained exotics

[rotund minnow]

No. Preorder bonuses are level 1 exotics Ruthless and Lullaby, which are mechanically identilcal to actual ingame exotics Merciless and Sweet dreams, and just different look.

[tardy raft]

sry my bad

[rotund minnow]

Ruthless and Lullaby come with blueprints to be upgaded to actual GS500 weapons, but they require Merciless and Sweet Dreams as components for such upgrades.

[tardy raft]

ye ye i change that

but u get them Ruthless and Lullaby and u are not able to upgrade cause u dont drop exotic part and also guns

until u reach wt

[barren charm]

not just those items guys - every exoctic that is gettable in the game farming (except for the craftable ones like nemissi) should be given as rewards in a exotic cache at level 30 and wt5
so u get atleast 2 exo items 100%

[tardy raft]

i think in HC would be nice to drop exotics not craft , for example if u want nemesis u need wait weeks of rotation of invaded

in HC nemesis should drop only from tidial basin wt5

chatter from hyena missions wt1-wt5

sweet dreams from outcast missions

lmg pestilence from outcast stronghold

liberty from true sons missions

anothers sould stay unchanged

[true quartz]

@tardy raft it's too many changes. Can't see it. I just wish heroics exotic pool had everything but eagle even if you don't have them. But I can't see it.

[mortal dawn]

I’m happy as it is.
I’d still like to see a HC raid leaderboard for completions and time. Then you drop off if your character dies.

[quaint glen]

what's a "completion" in hc context @mortal dawn

[mortal dawn]

Completions as in how many raids completed. Each boss in order start to finish like how to get a raid completion in the normal mode. @quaint glen

[quaint glen]

Oh sorry, missed "hc raid leaderboard" and read "hc leaderboard"

[stray quail]

sounds edgy...

top leaderboards are for ppl that can try and try again until they reach that position.
HC leaderboards will only be filled with lucky few who managed to get there because...fate. You luckily survived 3 Raids in HC, where others may be unlucky enough to die from 1 or 2 due to so many variables. You can't try again in HC, you just get deleted. Leaderboard is quite...pointless in HC in my opinion.

[tepid rivet]

It would be nice when we could get a little bit more charakter slots for new charakters... 1-2 new slots would be nice.. just 3-4 normal charakters and 1-2 for hardcore.

[stray quail]

in the far future probably, as Chris mentioned earlier

[mortal dawn]

That’s the gamble of HC mode tho. Risk and reward

[stray quail]

tell me...what reward?

[mortal dawn]

The reward of pushing for the top of the leaderboard.
I fully understand it’s not everyone’s cup of tea but to have one there for the people that want to push for it would be great. If it’s there but just not for you then all is good too.

The same reason why clans push clan exp, clan completion time, personal raids completed, personal best completion time. It’s all there for those that want to be on it and push as high as they can.

[stray quail]

i get it, the only problem with that is, no one can beat a lucky person who's lucky, he'll stay at #1 just because fate was kind to him, no one else would be able to surpass that guy because you can't try a 2nd time because you'd be dead. In Hard Core.

in Soft Core, theres always new best times on raid leaderboard because you can retry a million times without the fear of the Reaper.

[mortal dawn]

In that scenario of someone being lucky, I can see how someone who’s pushing for it can get frustrated if they die and have to start again.

[stray quail]

thats why leaderboard in HC is very edgy indeed.

[true quartz]

I'm up for a HC leaderboard. We're acting like it takes 2 months to get ready. A HC character can be raid ready in sub 20 hours. That's not a huge amount of time. Run it correctly and flawless isn't that hard. Im well up for a HC board.

[stray quail]

already had a 20 something hours dead agent, too much variables.

[mortal dawn]

I guess it becomes a choice to carry on pursuing a leaderboard

[primal bear]

don't like the leaderboard? don't look at it and just play the game?

[stray quail]

precisely. if no one looks at leaderboard, being on there is like being invisible.

[cerulean shore]

I would rather have hardcore misson leaderboards first. challenge difficulty only

[obsidian plinth]

Heads up if you disconnect while solo in hardcore mode you load back in dead lol so be careful guys

[cerulean shore]

i had several crashes the last days and it was fine. maybe you were dead because you disconnected right when someone was shooting at you?

[stray quail]

frankly, crashes tend to happen often during fight fights

[tardy raft]

yes my character died i dont know how my power been down for 3hours after i back says i died last time i was in side mission and i wasnt dead or down well rip lvl27 honestly i will wait till fixes cause i dont want mistakes like that finish of more then 14h of trying it

i love it Ghost mode in Wildlands is somthening similar besides in ghost recon u dont have levels u have only ur skills to complete missions and Tier mode

so good luck to everyone who trying it and to devs fix small issues becouse count as dead like that is not acceptable

see ya in non beta hardcore i would try that again report bugs but i dont have time for it

[sonic lily]

What kind of reward they’re gonna offer in HC beside the hat anyway

[frank flame]

How about you just have to restart a mission if one dies... Objective Failed. Being Down won't reset. Not just one life.... I did those missions for days and if i die in HC i wont start it again 😉 Missions just available in hardest mode. From lvl 1-30 its Hard. After reaching WT1 its Challenge... Heroic for the Invaded. No loot share..... After reaching WT5 mabe restart with a Basic set of Equipment (450)....

Will further think about it...

[true quartz]

@frank flame iv got friends almost raid ready. It's meant to be balls hard. It's not called "slightly more challenging mode" for a reason.

[frank flame]

kk, they got a clan..... or are friends!!!!

How about taking HC mode into Titan mode (God of War)..... and change HC into something i told....

[frank flame]

Its not that i dont trust a group of people ... i will be the 8th person. I know if they are clan, they finish the raid, but what do i do? They are caretakers for 2M people? I could tell you different. I say: "I dont join your group, you join mine, you have to know me and my playstyle" Its not that worse, but its not what people like....if i go down, someone has to take me up. As long as friends and clans are able to finish it, its ok for all of us. But we want to be a part of it. So 2 different modes are welcome. Just one... i go usual mode and dont care anymore 😉 the idea of a hardcore mode is nice, its a rumor in lot of games for ages. Resident Evil 1 Directors Cut... HC mode... I will do!!!!

Do you know what they try to do???

Resiodent Evil2 3 Savetimes (max), 3 Sprays (max) did not realy match..... Do you know how i did that? Leon or Claire where alsways with their hands on the stomach....

[frank flame]

Do you know that hiding behind a wall (one quarter) when youre down is kill for your group member? hes hiding, but hes not down.... So you and he got a spot to fill.... so if theres no spot, who gona revive???? I go left or right of the spot and get killed because i got no wall to cover me. How many player have realized that, yet??? This could be much harder at every mission.

Did you realize the programming???? If there is one guy with a fat gun inront, they start to step back!!!! But others just call crit etc. in forums!!!!

[frank flame]

hiding behind a wall inst a expliot ingame as far as i know... huh?

[wide locust]

I think you are just salty that you died

[frank flame]

Lol, i did not log in again 🙂 Im not your oponent, its just some got a clan or friends. Howyou gona keep it up? "They arent good????" Im to old... Lotro they got question marks for sometihing!!! Did you ever try to move 2m distance???

[frank flame]

Thank you, noww its getting this stupid Rl duscussion...

[frank flame]

Did you play SWG? 20k standard hit... 40k instant kill... thats RAID here!!! Thats they new thing for Devs... we dont want those One hit Gusys... wen wannt Mass... and simple walk through

[wide locust]

You make no sense, go get some sleep

[stray quail]

[fathom bluff]

level 11 so far; loving the mode BTW. Just wish there were greater chances for better loot. Like maybe up the percentage that higher attributes drop, etc

[stray quail]

prob not, giving the stash is shared and all.

[errant locust]

Hm, actually got good rolls almost right from the beginning, HS damage 21.5, similar chc and chd, SHaste etc., so seems rolls are similar to main. Though also means I can't find proper wpdamage and armor% rolls anymore lol Really miss a stash in HC, keeping all the rolls and mods in inventory fills it up quickly.

[frank flame]

One life... thats the task, what you need a stash for???

I just find feedback about a mode where the try to ask you... go DZ and start again.... its not about the Raid!!!

All they do... "give me Exotics"....

[frank flame]

Are you willing to invest 5$ each month? This would all change. A Gamer community 😉

I would waste this one life to explain it 😉

[frank flame]

Games like this are rare.. its a real game. Hiding behind walls, no exploit shit etc. Its great. Only problem.... who gona pay it????? You have to tell a dev get defense a bit up, he will do, as long as its neccessary 😉 I would test myself 😉

[somber oar]

anyone knows or heard from the devs or any source that once beta over your current HC character gets wiped away or stay?

[cerulean shore]

I don't have heard anything, but I wouldn't be pleased for sure, if they wipe my gs500 hc chararcter

[late harness]

Don't think that's gonna happen. This isn't a PTS server, its a production live server. Even if they are calling it beta mode, it's still on live server. Unless something critical happens like they cancel hard core mode entirely, your characters will stay.

[midnight apex]

So. here is my first Feedback: went to level 30 HC this morning, my clan mate helped me on the last few steps. There were some close calls, but our teamwork was good. After 1 day and 20 hours without much sleep i was happy to finally put on some decent gear and my we decided to go T1. We started the mission where the wall explodes in the beginning. My friend spoke to the npc while standing near that wall which will be destroyed. When i fast traveld to join him we both instant died in the massiv blow without a chance to proc our revive hives - It was as dumb as we could possibly get and my Clanmate left HC for good. If you fall 7 times you have to stand up 8 times i will now create a new hc character. Any help is welcome 🙂

[cerulean shore]

explosions are the bane of hardcore, that's why I went demolitionist. being able to take one explosion per minute is priceless and it was the first thing I unlocked

[midnight apex]

Good Tipp would have prolly saved my lil bottom 😛 Well back to the beginning than o0

[errant locust]

@ anyone who reached WT5: How are the loot drops in HC WT5? Is it the same as normal, does WT5 loot drop based on your inventory score and not your GS? If that's the case in HC as well then I'll probably stay WT4 a bit longer and farm a better GS450 build first instead of going now with GS430 or so.
Yet another reason for having a stash, to keep the inventory score up in HC mode.

[cerulean shore]

everything's the same, I doubt they changed anything for hardcore except the permadeath and disabling the stash.

btw what you can totally do, is farm a set of contaminated 500 gear on normal and then grab that stuff with the hardcore char once you've reached lvl 30, because the mailbox is account-wide. I think they should change that.

[errant locust]

Thanks @cerulean shore , was hoping they changed at least this bit. Guess I'll do some more WT4 farming then and maybe delete all the good attrib rolls 🙁 once I go for WT5, otherwise my inv-score is probably 380 or so.
Oh, interesting re mailbox. Most likely not intended and will be fixed one day. But do I want to punish myself with DZ just for this even if it's not HC? Probably not, PVP ain't my thing.

[cerulean shore]

just sysing, you also can use the stuff in your stash for recalibration- which also can't be intended - but at least we don't have to hoard for attribute rolls without a stash now

[errant locust]

Yeah I noticed, but feels like cheating and making it less of a challenge, so I prefer to work with the things I get in HC.
Though just remembered we have shared blueprints, so I can just craft a basic GS500 build and then farm for the good stuff.

[stray quail]

just dont die as you are farming it, as your gear is very....basic.

[errant locust]

Yeah, that's gonna be a lil challenge, but well it's HC after all. Even if I die, it's been a nice experience so far, the additional tension, the rush when a suicide bomber gets too close while you just have to reload etc lol Still think game should restart at WT1 after dead, doing L1-30 once again probably gonna keep me from giving it another try if I die, just too pointless doing the early game again.

[crisp anvil]

is there a leaderboard on the way? like with how many time went down, kills and such?

time alive,hc dz commendations?

@errant locust they might want people to go in the dz, good reason to go now

[true quartz]

How many HC character can we have on the go at once? For example can I have 2 active?

[frank flame]

Maybe 4

If you stared now and only want to use HC that is

[errant locust]

@crisp anvil Hm, might be a good idea, shouldn't be much going on in the DZ. But I know my luck, every rogue agent in the world will be on my server lol Nah, probably not gonna risk DZ with HC account. Raid at some point for sure since I know we can do flawless speed runs. But DZ, most likely not or maybe once I leveled up another HC character. But the idea ain't bad, thanks.

[mellow escarp]

lmao I'm just not going into the DZ ever

because I'd feel bad if I killed a rogue agent

or, well, anyone at all

also, yes, a leaderboard like @crisp anvil recommended would be absolutely amazing

or at least some way to keep a record of what you've completed in HC as to not die instantly from a suicide bomber and lose everything and all records of it

[tardy raft]

agree with naterz bad if u get killed by rouge cheater agent 😄

becouse who will enter dz in HC will be only cheaters

[mellow escarp]

no I meant like

if I killed someone I would be sad because I just deleted their progress

[slow shale]

"if I killed a rogue agent" i would be 200% happy if i killed a rogue agent 😛 they had it coming hehe

[frank flame]

So far i learned ... I have to activate my Reviver 😉 @mellow escarp Thats why i like the idea of another mode. I will see someone who is down, but he doesnt realize he has to stay away from the small Stone, Rock... what else. I cant rsk to go left or right and 2 Elites are shooting. He has to focus and step away 1m or 2 so i got space. I know hes hiding for a reason. Not in DZ but in a ... Challenge Mission??? Gona talk abput heroic afte i got 3k skill and clusters maxed.... 😉 This system isnt that easy.

[mellow escarp]

uhhh

okey

[crisp anvil]

@errant locust no i mean on normal mode since u can transfer the gear on to the hc, so its worth dzing on your normal to do so

[crisp anvil]

@errant locust if lots of people go dz again there might be some streamers coming back, also hc streaming would be something people watch, ill be posting some hc builds soon, like a skillbuild i made for hc with 250k armor and 120k health for farming. my build approach is for the longrun since i wont be playing normal untill i die. still seekers hit over 500k 7 pieces and turret hits for 27k

[crisp anvil]

i took the div1 pig mask challange for this, no healing. turret as a defence and seekers for clearing

and i used mad bomber, great way to start the fight, also armor on kill on the holster and health on kill as a talent, because of the rate u kill npc it will keep your armor and health op

[quaint glen]

I wouldn't expect the dz normal mode acquisition /extraction loot to be in non-beta hardcore

[crisp anvil]

@quaint glen IT should, because now people actualy play in dz, when they remove IT theyll shoot themselfs in the leg.

I guess they want more players, not pushing more away, like the few still left

[errant locust]

@crisp anvil Oh right, brainfart on my end re dz with normal and not hc.
Yeah I miss my skill build for fast farming, only running turret in HC, prefer to have the hive just in case since you can always end up in a weird deadly situation.

[crisp anvil]

@errant locust i do the same if i go alone yeah, turret is a must

[errant locust]

Armor on kill is a good reminder, used to have it on holster in the very beginning but switched to health at some point for raid/weasel and poison in general. But actually a good idea to use AoK in HC 👍

[crisp anvil]

@errant locust i also use terminate gloves instead of the exotic, since IT gives u 35% skill damage, together with tech support. Its really nice, also mad bomber i never used but such a great way to open up the combat, and it will instantly prog terminate then trow turret let IT kill 1 and then let the seekers out.

[sonic lily]

Fuck i just got killed by a medic..the game freeze fro a sec and the next thing i knew im already on the ground

[slow shale]

May your agent RiP.

[primal sage]

😢

[tardy raft]

man i matchmake for tidial wt4 2hours 0 found xD

[frank flame]

Sry, me and Gunta0 were just about to run the Air & Space in Heroic. I know there are better ways, sry i cant post the vid. Now you run it in this "called" HC.... lol. I would spent more on Explosive res. + more this etc....... Vids here if i can get it on screen. 😉 thats HC.... i just need the peeps 🙂

If we we would retreat it wont be mine. Same as him. its straight forward 😉

[tepid rivet]

some plans about more charakter slots at the moment ? 🤔

[cerulean shore]

@crisp anvil seekers in hardcore? you mad man 😂 no thanks, I got killed by my own seekers so many times, that's not how I want to end my hardcore career

[tardy raft]

that is fixed

[cerulean shore]

nope it isnt

[errant locust]

Nope it's not fixed, still get almost killed by my seekers in my normal main every now and then if a npc comes to close to me before the seekers hit them. Though got a ZeroFs (and Sweetdreams, from normal gear crate in open world hehe) today, so consider switching HC to seekers and turret as well. Challenging missions are already doable without maxed out build, doing elite activities for sports already as well. So might go without hive from now on if I dare. But bet I get insta-killed by some random reds then lol 😟😂🤣

[slow shale]

@tepid rivet devs said its something they are looking in to.

[cerulean shore]

back to feedback: it would be nice if hub zones like safe houses and the boo were separated between hardcore and normal. why? it's almost impossible to find someone in matchmaking for a mission later on. so at least the hubs could be used to connect.

[tardy raft]

the glitch then must be som mod i used many times seeker and never killed myself in hc

[cerulean shore]

you can minimize the risk by correctly using them, but especially against black tusk this happens quite often to me. for example when a seeker targets a drone that is flying to you. the natural reaction is just to shoot the drone and then baaam. but I also have clips where I can't even explain why a seeker exploded on me.

[tepid rivet]

@slow shale thank you 🙂

[fathom bluff]

don't see a specific channel for this so I'm just going to ask here: If anyone is interested in doing the raid in HC mode, DM me. I have 2 spots open to join an IOG HC raid run. This is not right now but in the near future (1 to 2 weeks from now), so everyone has time to level/farm. Again DM me if you're interested and can commit to it.

[frank flame]

any idea on when hardcore will come out of beta?

[crisp anvil]

@cerulean shore 250k armor and 120k health keeps.u alive theg Will Hurt u

[fathom bluff]

lost a lvl 30 character, RIP

[crisp anvil]

r.i.p

[fathom bluff]

he'll be remembered

[crisp anvil]

No hc raid for u lol

[fathom bluff]

oh it's happening

should only take like 8 hours to lvl another

[crisp anvil]

Hmm join someone in wt5

Do heroics bamn

[primal sage]

@hasty furnace No info so far about how long it will run / when the next patch will be

@frank flame We don't know yet, no official info has been released so far

[crisp anvil]

Count on the next patch to be next year

@primal sage any news concerning leaderbords for hc?

[primal sage]

@crisp anvil No news so far

[crisp anvil]

Feedback: teamfire enabled lol

Nah but as the troll i am and as a Division 1 player the barrels are so tempty

[primal sage]

😱 😂

[frank flame]

@crisp anvil well said 👌 😂 😅

[tardy raft]

@crisp anvil yes and sad thing is same mistakes as in division1 in which i have 5k hours and more broken mess in second make my opinion when ever D3 comes i will not buy until it will be atleast 50% off and patches allready done

another thing i dont like how it depends on gear compare to Ghost recon Breakpoint raid where is player communication and tactics more important then what u shooting with

[crisp anvil]

In my oppinion 2 is much better

Game wise

Also played like 3k on div 1 and 2 also

[tardy raft]

it is better but if u look back same happends with division 1

[crisp anvil]

Its the same game different setup

Mixed talents around changed soms stats made a new environment but that's it

Same problems

[tardy raft]

yes

when someone ask me if is worth to buy division 2 my awnser will be no if u have first keep it and play

[crisp anvil]

Hmm i dont, i think the game is worth Every Penny

I think most problems originate at the home networks, faulty landlines

With all the talents, bullet registration packet löss can screw u over

[frank flame]

There should be a HC lfg channel

[lament laurel]

Gonna take your suggestion to the powers that be @frank flame, might be a good idea

[mortal dawn]

You’d be foolish to trust a random to pick you up lol but good shout.

[errant locust]

Well, final hardcore feedback:
Was a fun experience to get it to the top level and now being able to push things as hard as with my normal main account.
Maybe consider allowing grouping up with normal accounts once we reach GS500 or a bit lower. There are not enough hardcore players and I doubt there will ever be or maybe you just need to adjust the shepherding/matchmaking system a bit to account for the lack of players. So if we're not able to group up with normal accounts at the end then there's no reason to keep using it. And repeating the same stuff solo gets boring at some point. So I for one go back to my normal account now and only use the HC one if anyone needs help with HC.
And since we don't have access to the stash maybe raise the inventory so we can keep good rolls and pieces for different/raid builds and don't have to travel to the base all the time during farm runs.
And as said before, I would separate early and endgame. Once users reached the endgame then change the permadeath resetpoint to WT1. This way you might get more people interested in it.

[ornate lily]

i liked the disappearing crosshair, it felt much more like a hardcore mode

[frank flame]

About th stash, if you know what youre after, it will be easy without. I know the issue about the stash. I sold all my stuff 2-3 times..... At least you need one piece with blue yellow or red which you want to keep. so its 3 slots if youre after all loadouts. Working one after the other should be easier for you. First... Yellow.... streetwalker with 3k skill and clusters wont die 😉 Next will be your main mission or... CP4 set (HC streetwalker, youre able to run and hide 😉 ) Missions are different, but in this mode it will turn out to be a waste. Its the seekers.... without them or other special skills it will change. Dont watch after players, you have to be a teacher in one mode, and a learner in the other 🙂 Btw, I'm German, no programmer etc. 🙂

Would make more sense if i could write good enough... so transalte ^^

[ornate lily]

use deepl next time instead of google translate

[frank flame]

mabe i explain a bit more.... See you in DZ....

I think Devs can watch all this. So I dont know what those guys want. I trained and spent days, weeks etc. for learning and training. I love it it gets thats hard. I cant run Heroic solo atm... times were different in my lifetime 😉

[unborn terrace]

Just watched 8 man doing the raid with HC chars....Its truly amazing in my eyes they are doing it and then pulling it off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5msn_u7sSwM.....

watch the guy at 30.50 and imagine his feeling with so clsoe to loose it all ....ill bet he shit his pants there

Thats gamming.

[frank flame]

Will do 😉

HK-47 Solo... if you know 😄

2 Man DF2....

If you watch the different factions, you see... Fire, Confusion, Explosion etc. You got a bunch of Louadouts....

[ashen obsidian]

If we started from the BoO that would be an improvement

[sour wagon]

lol

[crisp anvil]

Im already bored again lol

We do speedruns and basicly there is no challenge at all. I would love to see legandary and Hunters spawn on tarmac and luggage. A hard mode for the raid.

[frank igloo]

It will be fun if they make something similar to the survivor dlc was in the the div. 1.

[sonic lily]

I would appreciate it if we can skip the entire prologues

[fathom bluff]

Yes plz. Tired of the prologues and tips. We should be able to permanently turn that off

[mortal dawn]

👆 what they said. 100%

[wide locust]

How is the agent edwards side mission on hardcore? should I worry? I read somewhere that somebody died because the script for being shocked didnt go off

[errant locust]

Was no problem for me, did it right away when it appeared on the map. Just remember not to deploy any offensive skills or he might use them against you. This was my only prob, dropped my turret as usual since I forgot about this and my own turret was the only thing almost killing me lol Other than that, just use the room walls for cover, shoot him and move around a bit as you see fit until he disappears. Equip hive and maybe unbreakable if you want to be 100% sure, but I didn't need either of em.

[wide locust]

alright, thanks

Just did it safely, all good 😄

[true glen]

are map bugs going to be the same places as normal mode?

[fathom bluff]

Can we submit a ticket for the character to be rezzed if the reviver hive doesn’t go off like it should. I realize this is a slim chance but man, that is incredibly frustrating!!!!

[frank flame]

Real hardcore players do not use hive 😉

But yeah, it would be nice if one could get rezzed if they died because of bug and can proove it.

[violet grove]

it didint go off for me and I died,be aware people!😁

[frank flame]

True answer! Only thing that realy keeps someone from doing HC is the gear. You have to change the recalibration system. To many stats on one piece, so after you got your set you won't think about Dark Zone etc. How about one talent and one Attribute to recal in HC? And a XP boost or like others said, restart at WT1.....

[frank flame]

I think the only thing that will happen is that people will open their own Rouge and normal DZ. Rouges dont shoot each other, they will just stay rouge for profit etc. So DZ wont be PvP anymore.

In one way this would be the answer..... One Rouge Area, one normal... and Occupied is opden for those willing, or believers.... So Devs will say drop rates in occupied are better................ (mabe)

[frank flame]

If i would change some mods in my set, i would have explosive res. now i run 50% haz. prot. my backpack from outher louadout got enough health to boost me 200k health. At the end i would have like 400k ar, 200k hp 50% haz prot, 20% vs elite..... no Exotic (needs different stuff to use, or different gameplay). I got 2M credits+ and dismantled around the same. I still could get +10% dmg to elite on my mask etc. But the time it took.

[frank flame]

My 3rd char got a chestplate... 1001 Skill Power on it (Old one). How to get that.... ?

Main got 40.6k Chest... modified 40.7k and mod... 5.5k + 2.5% Armor (+ Perfectly Unbreakable). Please dont tell me i go DZ in HC.

[frank flame]

Atm i would prefer changing my True Patriot (2pieces) with Overlorad Armament. But i cant do the Manstop for my group.

[frank flame]

If you want a Hunter... i will change that fact.

[frank flame]

Got a nice Overlord Mask, Dialed In on it. Now need Diamondback from my 2nd, and run a AK-M.... or something faster.

[mortal dawn]

I know HC mode is beta stage, will there be more rewards and is there a list of current rewards for playing it?
Or is it a play and go hunting for rewards type of deal?

[errant locust]

@mortal dawn As for current rewards, you get the Yolo cap, patches for doing Capitol and TidalBasin, for reaching GS500 and for absolving the raid in HC. Think that's it, at least it's all I remember getting. Other than that it's just like the normal game, loot rng seems better or maybe I was just lucky.

[mortal dawn]

@errant locust nice one and Thankyou. I only know of the raid patch seen on Reddit. I want 😍
I’m intrigued to see what else will be coming to HC when it’s all finalised and out of beta.

[errant locust]

First of all HC mode needs more players or adjusted matchmaking etc setup to account for the lack of players. Otherwise it gets boring at WT5 once you got your fav build. Doing the same things solo gets boring and just running things for loot you can't share with your other chars ain't no fun. Really wish they would make HC the default hehe
Yeah, the raid one is the only one I'm still lacking and really want. My group isn't interested in HC, so have to wait till they're or gotta run it with another decent group in HC. One day though.

[frank flame]

After i collected my 35 boxes... 7 to go i will take a look into HC.Lvl5 atm. Afro etc. don't expect to find a nice guy 😉 (Fun is top)

First Cp with lvl3 btw. heartbreaker 😉

Take kneepads with patience on it, and try to keep em till you get new one... dont have it at lvl5.

[quaint glen]

@errant locust - more players yep, but not sure how the matchmaking could be changed within itself, I mean it matchmakes only with other hc players looking for the activity you're searching for..

[atomic steppe]

Other thing is, the game needs a pure rework on the PvP sandbox
PvP is what keeps most games alive after the first few content drops. Destiny for example, it's most played gamemode is crucible, even tho it has like 7 different raids, gambit etc. There's not much reason to do PvE after you've so much loot, and unlike other games, for better or worse, Division 2 is too generous with loot. So PvE content gets old way too quickly, because after a while there's not much incentive to do PvE, so after one reaches WT5, you've pretty much done everything. Then why would anyone come back? You've completed the game.

[errant locust]

@quaint glen Not sure, and dunno how the current setup looks like. But seems to me it's region based, means when shepherding I'm sure I mostly or only end in sessions with other Europeans. If that's the case maybe it could be adjusted to be worldwide in HC. And/or give users the option to include normal players as well once they reached GS485 or so.
Or make HC the default mode for everyone 😂 Just exclude PVP and raid and give early game players maybe 3 lifes.
I didn't play anything for around 20 years and when I started with Div2 knowing jack, I actually expected it would be as it's now with HC, if I die then I'm dead, lose everything and have to start over.

[fathom bluff]

An achievement for reaching lvl 50 in the DZ would be awesome

[earnest heath]

*An achievement for getting into the DZ

[mortal dawn]

I’m being told that a HC character can join a normal mode raid group and still get the raid completion patch?
If this is true, I’m assuming it’s not intended? Because that makes the patch worthless as anyone can get it.

Edit...
I’ve personally not confirmed this but its charter among my discord.

[true quartz]

Iv not personally seen it either in game. But iv seen a photo of the patch and some of the stream as it was done. It did in fact have a HC player in a normal raid.

[autumn cypress]

Can you transfer gears from HC to normal characters and vice versa?

[runic pelican]

Just go to DZ and farm gearon normal char..and take it from Inbox on HC...

[autumn cypress]

But can you "save" the stuff you farmed from HC?

[earnest heath]

@autumn cypress Hc char doesn't have access to the stash

[runic pelican]

Nope..no stash..

[autumn cypress]

??

so 100 items max?

[earnest heath]

although it does have access to the "mail" and "delivery" sections of the stash

yeah. 100 items is max

not sure if it will change after the beta or not

[runic pelican]

U can : level ur HC with appareal caches..u can get items from inbox from Normal DZ farm..and now apoerently u can invite HC char to LC raid...

Those are not bugs..just features..dont worry everything is going Ok in Hc mode 😂

Qns im.amazed with level of thinking putting commendation in beta game mode that affects live gsme commendation statistic..and call it..its optional its beta...Give that man a medal

[frank flame]

Lvl16 now, just finished the Side Mission at Spectre Mask (Solo). Next will be SHD Tech Beacon and i know that mission, another worst case.... I was running with a 2nd guy, and doing HC with 2 is very easy. Not sure i grab the clusters and run faaarrr 😉 Using Chem and Reviver atm (Reviver had no use so far, i just revived someone). For this night im done if i cant find another.... Did every Side Mission, CP and Projects so far.

[frank flame]

Friend just died..... lvl18... now helping if he restarts. To bad, reviver was out, but as the usual bugs are.... dmg dmg and down. No chance to get him myself....

[frank flame]

Now im down to the point ... 30 seconds on death counter. So If I get a 400k AR and 200k HP and a backup healer i might save his progress, though 2 Eites hit me inmeantime ;/

[fathom bluff]

I really like gear score 500 badge, but the raid distinction badge is a bit disappointing. I would have liked to see if have more of a "hardcore" feel. Something badass that when you see it, you're like "whoah, I want that"

[quaint glen]

The thing with hardcore mode beta is that it really is all the things they promised it would be. Unfortunately people have had this idea that hardcore is harder (in general) than non hardcore. it can be, but not promised to be; depends on play style.

[earnest heath]

yeah but still, if they want to encourage ppl to play this mode they should make something to match the risk. The risk is high and the content hasn't change, so better cosmetics/more commendations shouldn't be to match to ask

[frank flame]

So, now i know how that shit happens. explosion and down. Fire around and dead :/ Restarting.

[zenith frost]

if you make a hc character during beta does it get reset when it goes live, or do you get to keep it?

[peak roost]

god, i hope not

[quaint glen]

No confirmed details atm

[quaint glen]

should have scaled you as well

[mortal dawn]

Lol

[earnest heath]

if the guy leaves and he didn't resume his progression he'll loose group scaling

[fathom bluff]

I lost a lvl 24 character that way lol; I recommend always being on the lowest lvl members session if you are grouping

[wide locust]

Just hijacked somebodys sawyer kneepads. My HC character will be happy

[quaint glen]

The rogue is strong with this one...

[wraith harness]

its probably been answered but in hardcore, if you go in a dark zone and die from a player... I guess you die permanently right ?

[slow shale]

correct, still perma death.

[wraith harness]

jeez lol

[stray quail]

grouping in HC, thats how you get killed, kek.

[nocturne hound]

So far, lvl 22. I almost went down taking a control point, but the NPC officer actually revived me. I forgot they could do that.

[signal anchor]

those stats
https://i.imgur.com/xySqtD0.png

[quaint glen]

best negative stat ever

[frank flame]

Ok, stay away from Horters while they crawl out the dole... the will jump once and hit you.... and kill you... lvl 27!!!! Now i start to.....

[unreal gate]

ugh. yesterday fast traveling to safe house watched as it was loading. ran to refill my water and something glitched during fast travel and some guys killed me. i came back just in time to see myself completely die. reviver hive failed as well. had to restart all over. 😄 giant oof.

the worst part of dying is not starting again at level 1, it's having to redo all the intro story junk, and collectables, etc. all over again.

ooh also, why is the loot broken in hardcore? example is here..i was getting so much of this yesterday and some today. https://bit.ly/34QN1WH

[wide locust]

its not broken, its just sokolov kneepads derping

[earnest heath]

I agree with @unreal gate here. The worst part about hardcore is to play the same missions all over again especially when i think that most ppl who play hardcore have more then 1 char at WT5. I do understand the need to do it tho so i have a suggestion: What if you'll get more exp from each mission, so you'll get to lvl 30 from the main missions only. There's no need to do all of those side mission as we'll get all the blueprints when we reach lvl 30. Why not enable the blueprints from the start and skip some of the painful process of leveling up?

[fathom bluff]

Great idea @earnest heath . There is definitely no need to do side missions

[unreal gate]

I wasn't really talking about the side missions, I actually don't mind doing them. I was talking about ALLLLLL the cut scenes, talking to all the people to recruit them, starting over to learn how to run/jump/shoot, etc... This game easily glitches causing death, and this can happen in so many ways, it nearly makes the price of having to go back through all of this too high. I guess it's part of the risk of playing if you manage to fall through the map and die because you are "outside of the playable area" in hardcore mode. This nearly happened to someone I was playing with yesterday. Also the lack of storage is completely unreasonable when the game forces you to grind so hard to get good gear and this also requires recalibration, which can't be unlocked until later in the game. In addition to this, the specialization "perma-mods" take up inventory slots even though you can't use them for a while. The mods shouldn't take up inventory at all, and stuff you are required to keep should not affect your overall inventory because you can't get rid of it.

[earnest heath]

Well i guess they can do it too, although bound some of the NPC's to certain lvl is understandable (you don't want ppl to run bounties until they reach a certain lvl for example). The instructions and such should be optional at the start of the game (advice lvl: noob, exp, pro etc). No storage - i guess it's gonna change? i assume they don't want us to get the gear we have already so they blocked it

[peak roost]

as if there aren't other methods to get at least parts "like" your other gear right now...

[earnest heath]

well you still have to work hard to get them right? and i assume that's unintended too

[peak roost]

if they could speed up the lvling like that, i wouldn't mind.

i mean spending hours to get to wt5 to get the raid commendation is a pain.

the raid is risky enough without a decent group

[warm veldt]

@frank flame Please do not tag the Ubisoft staff unless they are participating in the chat

[peak roost]

it took me like 10 hours to get to 30 without xp tricks... i don't know what you are doing and i was playing solo

which is still too long

[opal dragon]

i have so many dang apparel keys from this event i bet i could powerlevel a hc character off of just the keys

[lavish agate]

@peak roost I feel like it takes me 2x that if not longer to get 30, when do you do the main missions? do you do the sides? projects? Trying to figure out what I need to speed up.

[errant locust]

You just do the main missions, put on some better gear every now and then and do the next missions. Safehouses and Controlpoints inbetween, district by district. And then at the end you can do some side missions since the XP you get for these go up with your level, so the later you do side missions the more you get from them.

[fathom bluff]

you can hit lvl 30 in like 10 hours if you just do the main missions (should take you to like lvl 24-26), then you can use crates to lvl up to 30; do the SHs until you hit WT5

[quaint glen]

in the end, hc mode beta is meant to be an enjoyable challenge ontop of game, not defacto way to play the game (else it would be normal mode)
making changes to hc to male it easier, to make levelling faster, to reward better etc.. don't you think that sort of invalidates the point?

[stray quail]

in other words, don't take HC mode too serious.

[peak roost]

I do the main missions at the recommended lvl, when I'm close to lvl up. In between I do either world activities for the projects or side missions to fill it up. If I remember correctly main mission xp don't scale with lvl, but side missions and world activities do. So you technically loose out on xp if you use side missions to lvl up, cause they give a big chunk of xp

And don't worry about doing side missions to early. There are more than enough and you actually want to do some of them early for specific weapon mods like the extended 5.56 Magazin with 10 more bullets.

You can also Google a bit, there should be vids around which explain the quickest ways of lvling. You can still lvl like you would in normal mode, just be more patient in fights.

[earnest heath]

@quaint glen no, not really. As you said HC mode is an enjoyable challenge, means the ppl who play it completed the game already (more then once i assume), make it a bit less painful at the early stage of the game wouldn't ruin the exp as most of the ppl who play HC just want to reach the endgame and don't really care about lvling up

[rocky crag]

Love hardcore mode....

[frank flame]

It would be nice to be able to get Nemesis faster than waiting (at least) 3 weeks. This weapon is pretty useful for raid. And I can imagine that dying in raid and having to wait another 3+ weeks just for this weapon can be a pain in the back. Maybe make a separate hardcore invasion where everything is invaded?

Another useful thing would be a separate stash that could be used only by hardcore characters.

[frank flame]

HC is easier if you run in a group., and keep the missions from Stroy-Hard for the beginning. Old games had the so called "group extra xp"..... here you will need solo extra stuff. Low group xp 😉 While you go to work during week, it will take you 2-3 weeks to get to WT5. HC would be a Solo challenge for some people, not a real game. People would do it solo, and mabe ask for backup for a group of 2..... most of the time because they play at evening.

[fathom bluff]

You can get the nemesis in the DZ BTW

so you don't even need to do the several week thing

[hollow salmon]

Wait, how do you get the Nemesis in the DZ?

[fathom bluff]

random drop

much lower chance than pestilence

buddy got 2 of them within 20 minutes of each other a few days ago

transferred one to his HC character

[frank flame]

Thanks for this info @fathom bluff, I'll look into that

[autumn jewel]

I haven't seen any posts about this via google searching, and I think it's appropriate here
If a player kills you in the DZ on Hardcore- I assume you perma-die as well?

[errant locust]

Yup, no matter where or how you die in HC, you're dead for good.

[autumn jewel]

Thank you!

[earnest heath]

Yeah @fathom bluff the chance to get the same exotic again was increased if I'm not mistaken (chance of getting an exotic remain the same - pretty low regardless) so this method work if you farm the DZ on your main and not on your HC char @frank flame @hollow salmon

[unreal gate]

I am always surprised at how much I have seen people try to "Jenkins-style" run and gun in hardcore mode. There's not much to gain by rushing into missions and fights with your tongue hanging out into bullets in an attempt to quick level as fast as possible. From my understanding, not many people answering backup calls in hardcore mode...

[stray quail]

ppl who has slow PCs will load into a backup call getting shot at by npcs.

wil lresult in death

[peak roost]

technically you can still run and gun in hc mode. Lvling is not that difficult. As long as you have gear at you current lvl or max two lvls below, you are fairly overpowerd all the time.

at least, that's my feeling after lvling serveral chars

[stray quail]

except the core game is not the leveling up.

[peak roost]

well, he was referring to levelling

[glacial hawk]

I have a bunch of hours in dz and seen one chatterbox and of course a bunch of pestilence . I have all exotics

[pearl rain]

And i am the jenkins style guy lol this is my 6th HC char lol

As of this morning lol

[ivory sorrel]

ouch, I thought being on my 4th was bad

for the past couple of weeks

[pearl rain]

Do t listen to sighlent advice and be like me 6th this morning lol

[ivory sorrel]

FINALLY made it to level 30, but I'm nervous about Roosevelt Island

[pearl rain]

Maybe ubisoft will feel sorry for me and get me a commendation? Lol

Congratulations!

Recommend go farm dz on non HC char the use the mailbox in HC for items lol

[ivory sorrel]

yeah well, it will be for naught if I get killed taking on Roosevelt

wait..... you can put WT5 gear on level 30 character?

Oh thats cheating.........

[pearl rain]

Yup lol nope loop hole

Since you can open mailbox in all chars lol

Only works for dz items you havent taken out of mailbox

Well there you go but if u die well you know haha

Extra xp from apparel cache duplicates so burn away lol

[unreal gate]

@pearl rain oh man 6th! i thought my one time dying was crazy. I like to take things slow on this character. Another HC player made fun of me for using cover to avoid injury to stretch out armor kits...then he nearly died in front of me 😄 This is definitely a game mode to test your patience.

[stray quail]

and selfishness

[unreal gate]

@stray quail you got that right. I have seen this too.

[hollow salmon]

Let me tell y'all, HC mode with a friend and a made-up mutation is awesome. We made some HC characters and are limiting ourselves to shotguns, its a blast

[pearl rain]

Sighlent yeah my friends that have high HC were taking it slow and always on cover lol. I never learn lol

slow and cover is the way 👍🏻🐐

[hollow salmon]

Hmm I dunno, grabbing Defender Drone and rushing in with nothing but two buckshot rounds and a lot of hope is pretty fun!

[pearl rain]

Lol what you said

[frank flame]

Does Diamondback drop free after you got it from Kenly in normal mode, or do i have to wait in HC for Kenly to go active?

You need to wait and get it @frank flame

@frank flame Thx my furry friend 😉

./wookieehug

EMU or Legends takes me to long to rebuild all the goodies......

[hollow salmon]

Is the Yolo hat the only cosmetic rewarded for playing Hardcore?

[frank flame]

Yes, for the moment.... mabe they get in a set?????? 😉

Btw, i found out how i died first time... there some box after hitting it it goes 3-4 times. Killed the rushers, they activated the box, and .....

Gamplan is to destroy all boxes able to do fire, explosions before hiding around them 😉

[unreal gate]

@hollow salmon no, the accommodation patches are cosmetic too 😛 they need a backpack trophy as well. Maybe some tribute to Die Hard hahaha or a t-shirt that says "I went Hard Core and all I got was this lousy t-shirt".

[errant locust]

@hollow salmon haha nice, sounds like fun 👍 Now you gave me an idea, might get back to using my HC again and have similar fun, maybe the snowball gun only, but this would push it too far lol
@unreal gate When you get some decent enough gear after each leveling or every 3-5 then you shouldn't have problems running the game as usual without having to live in cover all the time. Actually had to run berserk for a while since it was the best chest I got, boy running this properly in HC without real build was fun, def got my blood pumping a lot 😂

[hollow salmon]

@unreal gate great, thanks 🤣

[frank flame]

After some time i feel like HC isnt worth.... you cant go and do a front Tank. Its just hiding and throwing grenades. Before there isnt a real change i will just do it wth my clan. Its easier to lvl and i still can do a fontier as i wish. Died 3 timestoday 😉 And i already was 500 and had a 55% DTE looted......

[earnest heath]

it appears that this mode is for exp groups only. You can play solo but the risk become way too high. You'll barely run missions/bounties on challenge if your'e alone. Although i have to admit this mode when playing with a group is a lot of fun

[frank flame]

You ever saw a guy, lvl 20 sitting inside a CP4 while 500 sits outside? <------ thats the NOOB 😉

[frank flame]

The only positive thing i can tell. ou can take a look on your own gameplay. Which weapons do you like, which style do you like.... At this point i will try to go SMG + Shotgun. Short distances, mabe some talents, attributes to get into long range...... some to think about 😉

[frank flame]

In HC it wont be to hard to play a Tank, but looting the equipment to stay front is a long long distance to travel.

[frank flame]

A frontfigher has to grab aggro from someone using a Nemesis.... thas whats all about. Kids with fat guns.........

Small question to our honored developers... how you get a armor and gun running if you need defense, dmg, hazarrd... etc. in the same time? Its not like kids... dmg, what else? Dmg!!!!

[burnt quest]

Have you ever realized that actually no one understand what you are saying?

I barely understand what are you really trying to say

[errant locust]

Dunno what your problem is really, no need to hide all the time and just throw grenades. I played HC solo and mostly the same way as usual, was barely a problem, even though I had to replace my seekers with hive just in case. Ran a bunch of challenging missions and elite activities at the end and same there, no real problem once you got somewhat of a decent enough build.

[quaint glen]

It's about decisions you make, you don't have to be afraid to make different decisions from non-hardcore

[nova furnace]

😀 😃 😄 😁 😆 😅 😂 🤣

HC Feedback: HC mode in Division 2 is too punishing, deaths will happen on a regular basis no matter how carefully you play. For instance, I had one where my game froze and I could shoot enemies but they wouldn't take damage. I was still alive when logging off, but then I was dead when I logged back on.

Those things happen, but when it takes 10 hours at the minimum to get back to WT5 it isn't very fun, the same goes for how you're not allowed to save any gear.

Comparing HC in Division 2 to HC in other games it just takes too long to get back in to the game, and dying is exclusively a bad thing rather than an opportunity to try something fresh. For instance, if you die in Path of Exile, you only loose the current gear on your character. So dying in Path of Exile means you loose one build, but you save the gear needed for another one.

In Division 2 though, you loose everything, so there's no sense of progress across deaths. So if I loose my WT5 HC Character I'm just as likely to quit as to remake it, it isn't fun, just boring.

My suggestions for HC:

Add a 2x XP Multiplier.
Let people access a Hardcore Stash and store items. So that dying simply means having to switch builds. (Die on AR, make a Shotgun build)
Add leveling items to HC vendors, items which scale with level and help you smoothly level up.

These changes would help make dying "part of the fun" of playing Hardcore, an opportunity to try something new rather than purely a negative aspect of the game. And that, is required!

[stray quail]

that totally defeats the purpose what what makes Hardcore imho.

jokingly, it sounds as if infantry in the military that dies can just tryout medic instead. if they die again, they'll get a desk job at base. lul.
Hardcore is suppose to be relentless and punishing. it's never meant to be fun, it's meant to challenge.

dying is never "part of the fun", it's end end of all things and playing HC means you need to make sure you do everything to NOT die. anyone not prepared to sink into this mode dies will just give up and never touch it again.

[nova furnace]

If you don't build Hardcore around dying it will never be popular, Path of Exile HC streamers for instance die to disconnects, lag or bugs all the time and there's no way you can avoid that.

[stray quail]

it's not meant to be popular

[nova furnace]

If you don't build it around the mechanic where you die and get back on your feet with another build. It just results in a situation where everyone playing it plays supertank builds rather than having any degree of build varity.

[stray quail]

D2 and D3 HC wasn't meant to be fun, it's punishing and frustrating. it's for masochists. If HC mode is suddenly ease of access and fun, then it's just a replacement for softcore.

[nova furnace]

No, it still makes people play differently, care more about their decisions.

"Purist" hardcore like we got now is pretty much just a pointless mode which will never catch on with the playerbase.

[stray quail]

pvp right now is already super tank. and HC you MUST have perfect unbreakable. it's not gonna change when one thing work so well.

[nova furnace]

That's the thing though, you need perfect unbreakable because dying isn't an option at all which reduces build varity to zero.

And ultimately, the goal of any game or mode is for it to be fun and popular.

You want people to play the same stuff they do in softcore, actually going out there, daring to attempt heroics and raids.

Having a blast if they succeed and a laugh if they fail.

[stray quail]

see, i understand ur point, but i also disagree when you can "try something new" when you fked up. Try a shotgun in hardcore after you die? it sounds awesome, but it's the least logical approach to HC. You die, you lose it all. it's all about choosing one weapon and one build you are best at. if you go try some other un handy build just cus one build didnt work, you did not approach the mode with the right preparation and mindset

for example i main Rifle and MMR, there is no effin way i would "try" a AR or LMG build just cus it's fresh, never in HC.

i am just great at Rifle, i will not arrow myself in the knee with a build i dont like.

[nova furnace]

That's the thing though, in Softcore you just build one build until it nears "perfection", that's true for any game. For hardcore, you die, and you build a new character around the pieces you happen to have in bank.

[stray quail]

in softcore i have every build plus some wacky ones

but because i can die and try again, i can experiment. in HC i have 0 such luxury

[nova furnace]

Which is why Path of Exile has almost as much build variety in HC as in softcore.

[stray quail]

they have their own system, which is cool. i also used to game heavily in Diablo 3 hardcore, but my masochist teenage self has moved on.
Problem with only losing gear though, is that getting a build together is way too ez with targeted loot. it's quite different than PoE in this regard.

[nova furnace]

Yeah, but there's still the choice in other games whether you want to use your best items or not.

In Division 2 Hardcore as it currently stands, there's no build variety, and also no reason to make any choices regarding gear, you always want to wear whatever you have which is the best.

And you also want to build around Perfectly Unbreakable, and when there's only one real "viable" build in the mode it's a broken mode.

To get build variety, to get people trying the hardest content in HC, you need to build it with a permanent stash and an easy path back to WT5.

[stray quail]

true. and well they could just remove perfectly unbreakable from HC, but ppl will just go full tank. it's not rly the mode, it's just if theres an easy way out, most would take it.
I personally lookout for classic m1a/mk17 with perfect entrenched in HC, and build around that.
to what you said, there is no build variety in this game, not even in softcore, in fact they broke it even more since TU6. no one plays smg, lmg, and shotgun is fun but a solo gimmick. it's all zerk clutch, seeker plebs and 500k armor shotgun pvpers. I'd reckon HC will have almost to no variety in build, other than what your weapon of choice is.

[nova furnace]

Yeah, but the thing about HC in other games is that when you die and loose your AR gear, you have no choice but to try something else based on what you have in stash. The fact that people die every once in a while is what forces them to try new builds.

[stray quail]

or not.

if you have an upgrade, you place the one you previously use in the stash. in the end you still have AR gears in stash

[nova furnace]

Yeah, that also happens. But you might also be missing some key pieces so you don't want to risk it.

[stray quail]

not to the point i would try anything other than the most balanced weapon that is the AR. some ppl just cant play single fire Rifles, and others hate LMG sway. HC is too dangerous for smg and shotgun cus the closer you are to the enemy, the closer you are to instant death.

how i play HC, is i have a picture of my general build, and i trash everything unrelated to it, and only keep multiple instances of said gear piece in stash for use when i die.

[nova furnace]

Shotgun was merely an example though, just a different type of weapon compared to AR.

The more realistic option is that we would see more skill builds and offensive builds.