td2-raid-discussions

[tawdry widget]

I didn't think it was possible for the complete Regulus to drop in IH from bosses, too, but I've seen it happen. It's probably the same chance to get the Eagle Bearer in DH dropped by bosses. Now, if it's tied to already having done the project or not, no idea.

[swift peak]

Ok, fair enough. Would still recommend the 'move it to an alt character and get the pieces again' as a guaranteed way of getting a second (assuming you don't want to share it) but it's useful to know that's an option too

[signal basin]

Was in a raid where it dropped for a clan mate. Once complete it can drop from a boss.

[magic fulcrum]

i saw one on video too

[rough locust]

You can't get Regulus from the exotic caches. You must've moved your first one to a different character then re ran IH to get the pieces again

[rough locust]

I still have to get my fourth character a Regulus lol

[tender hollow]

@smoky geyser You can get one per week per character on its first run of the week. Like they said move existing Regulus to other character(s). This [also] means you should have none in the weapons cache.

[tender hollow]

Do i need to wait a week to do raid again?

Just unlocked raid mission for regulous

[hot jolt]

No

[dim wharf]

If your trying to do the project for the regulus parts you need to do that on a fresh run of the week

[ionic mica]

ive never done a raid can someone explain/help me with what build i could be running please?

[hot jolt]

an all red AR DPS build

you should be able to find a template in #td2-build-advice

[ionic mica]

thank you,i already have some builds ready like healer or dps

[hot jolt]

stick to dps if you're new

after you understand the raid a bit, then you can start learning other roles

[ionic mica]

thanks bro

[hot jolt]

no problem man

[long sky]

Don't forget today is reset day new keys,green gear,or pistol parts

Or if first time aquire 5 new projects from Iron horse

[native birch]

what is the sparkling thingy that sometimes appears on adds at the Morozova map? Is that supposed to do smt? Sort of look like the Chem Launcher heal but mostly white/electric looking.

[wooden totem]

@everyone I am looking for people to raid IH with, anybody want to join?

[dim wharf]

Just keep an eye out in the lfg channel for someone saying LF(x) (looking for x number of players) RV(x) (raid voice channel x) DH (dark hours)/IH (iron horse). When you see a group with open spots just jump in and ask who you need to add, then add them on uplay. make sure your name in the discord channel matches uplay. Let people know your new so they can explain what you need to do and what your role is for each boss. Most people have no issues walking people through for the first time as long as your upfront about it.

[trail oriole]

Adler, I can confirm the regulus drops. I have a screenshot of one that I'll DM you

[barren pawn]

Yes it can drop

[twilit knot]

can someone explain what a raid is? never done one before so i just would want to know what i'd be stepping in

[solemn flame]

Recommend YouTube

[tender stag]

its a big mission that requires people to cooperate in order to progress

[dull coral]

Hi. I am new to discord. I’d like to know how to join a raid group. Should I join a raid voice channel and ask them?

[native birch]

Look at Raucey's post a few posts above you.

[ebon fractal]

🤓 what if they kick you out

[tender hollow]

its very very rare that you get kicked. you need to be both useless and an ass

[empty grove]

Hi there, long time I've used this discord to enter a raid : something new to me : when you enter Boos#3 (Williams/Foundry) in Iron Horse, players are sharing groups of 1 letter and 2 figures. What is the actual info shared with that ? Cogs position maybe ? Just trying to guess... Thanks for any input

[tawdry widget]

It refers to the cogs: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897419405435219969/901545114810327090/cogs.png

[empty grove]

Just one thing not clear : is it supposed to be written for the guy upstairs left/right, or he/she has to invert the numbers ?

[tawdry widget]

depends on the group, when I run, I read from the left to the right, when downstairs, and the guy upstairs already knows he has to invert, other groups do the other way

when in LFG, though, I don't read or do cogs, there's always someone else that wants to do that, so it's easier to let them and focus on something else

[empty grove]

ok thx for the explanation @tawdry widget 👍

[forest bay]

Heyo peeps can a lvl30 WT5 player and lvl40 player raid together?

[magic fulcrum]

Yes

[native birch]

yes

[long sky]

yes

just make shure you let them know

[fallen slate]

D H play

any one to play D H ore I H ?

[hot jolt]

#lfg-raid-pc is a better place to ask

[tender hollow]

What is a lfg raid

[karmic oak]

looking for the group

[tender hollow]

Oh

I thought looking for game

[solemn flame]

23:50 iron horse!!! BIG THANKS to the Distortion clan!!!

[magic fulcrum]

Its kinda both

[cobalt yoke]

how bad is it to run dark hours discovery blind?

[hot jolt]

don't bother doing raids on discovery, since you're not gonna learn the important mechanics that way

[cobalt yoke]

i never done them, and im running a medic build i found so not sure how much of a hindrance i would be

also i think my game borked because going into social > raids shows me the bosses looted but i can't pick any raids

[tender hollow]

Anyone able to tell me how I can unlock the dark hours raid

[solemn flame]

Get to world tier 5, or complete warlords

For level 30 raid, world tier 5, for level 40 raid, finish warlords

[tender hollow]

Thanks bro only seeing this now

[spring prism]

world tier 5 and gear score 500*

[vagrant wing]

485*

[spring prism]

well yes, but 500 is recommanded

[vagrant wing]

says who?

[spring prism]

says the game last time i was world tier 5

[solemn flame]

The game told you it was “recommended”….. I don’t believe there is a “minimum gear score” for level 30 raid, just need to be WT5…. lmao 🤣 😂

[spring prism]

i did say reccomended

[solemn flame]

And you said the game told you….

[spring prism]

yes

[solemn flame]

I give up… you info is not very reliable, so ima pass when you post…

[trim plume]

Is anyone running a raid on Xbox ? I’m down to play tonight

[verbal mist]

There is a minimum gear score to raid 🤷‍♂️

[solemn flame]

Ok, what is the minimum gear score to raid?

[dim wharf]

I haven't done a level 30 raid since wony so I'm not 100% sure on the raid gearscore cap, but I think there used to be a gearscore cap, along with a gearscore cap to progress world tiers, but it got removed awhile ago. That might be where the confusion is.

[burnt tapir]

is there a suggested skill damage requirement for a dh jammer build?

[spring prism]

6 pieces must have max skill damage, and have a wyvern chest with glass cannon

5 pieces* since oyu have btsu gloves

[burnt tapir]

got it thank you

[spring prism]

https://imgur.com/a/gQ3Ep8o here's the link to the build if youre interested

[burnt tapir]

thank you so much for the build

[tough trench]

REQUIREMENTS

To participate in Dark Hours, players need to be level 30, have reached World Tier 5 and Gear Score 490. You do not need a full party of eight to begin the raid, but the overall difficulty will not scale according to how many players are present. Dark Hours is always scaled for eight players.

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/6DcHUTXlFhvLh01wOgnbUP/the-division-2-raid-operation-dark-hours

[solemn flame]

Thanks

[spring prism]

i love it when people tell me 500 isnt the minimum. like, 490 is way too close to 500 to not round up

[dim wharf]

Well at the time of that article 500 was the max. So it makes sense that the minimum isn't the same as the max. That said I think that is outdated, but I looked through some old patch notes and couldn't find anything definitive, so idk.

[icy hull]

yup that article is way old. WONY came out march 2020 and changed the gear score system.

[rough locust]

Who knows - maybe the next update could be gear rework 3.0

[brave holly]

Be careful you'll wake the Karen's of the server again

[spring prism]

i already did, they keep telling me my opinions dont matter because i dont bring numbers and "experience doesnt matter, we need data"

[brave holly]

Just do you, let them be single 40 year old virgins that must pursue they're "divine right" to be the gatekeeper of the chat, maybe they'll get a girlfriend or whatever they classify they're pet spider in the corner and realize it's a "game"

[spring prism]

haha yeah

[rigid onyx]

We need this, desperately.

Just adding more damage to players changes nothing as we can already one shot every raid boss.

[rough locust]

Thing is what would be a good way to rework everything again? Maybe bringing back holstered talents could help?

[thorny bison]

I think you have a little wiggle room on the skill damage if you run glass Cannon.

[solemn flame]

iirc 75% skill damage is what’s needed.

[dim wharf]

I think it's 90%. The standard wyvern/hw/btsu gets 85% and is just short. You need just a bit more, either from a chest talent, technician, capacitor, or activating the hw talent.

[thorny bison]

Yeah my build isn't optimized and I've done drones a bunch with no damage issues. I run it with overwatch currently

[rigid onyx]

I think bringing back talents on every piece would be awesome, as well as completely removing a lot of talents that are too OP such as Vigi, PGC, etc

[spring prism]

yes, which is because you dont run skill damage on the gloves, seeing as you run with btsu

[burnt tapir]

So if I don't have the watch's skill damage leveled up but have 75% skill damage from set + glass cannon I should be good right?

[thorny bison]

Yes

[burnt tapir]

Cool thank you

[thorny bison]

I'm saying I have like 9% skill damage on a few of the pieces and can kill with overwatch. Glass hits harder so I could probably take off more. When telling someone to make their drone build we just tell them to craft (in addition to the HW) ANY wyvern chest and roll glass on it and it works. Skill damage on it is a plus. To be fair they're usually shd1000+.

Just make sure you have a demolitionist in your subgroup if you're worried

[raw osprey]

Add someone on red futures and you can get it even lower. 😋

[wheat meteor]

Removing OP talents now tho will make it difficult for people to catch other people on the leaderboards that did use the OP talents...making it unfair.
I have no issue with big changes but to make it fair when ever a big change comes in they should wipe the leaderboards. So it is an even playing field once again for everyone.
And wiping thr leaderboard gives everhone something to fight for again when content gets dry

[raw osprey]

Or give us a harder difficulty raid to battle for top spots on.

[rigid onyx]

This is why they have separate leaderboards in game. Level 30 leaderboards and level 40 leaderboards separate.

[wheat meteor]

Dont really see what that has to do with anything really astro unless i missed this coversation being about the lvl 30 leaderboards..
Im talking people on lvl 40 leaderboards chasing others at the top of the leaderboard. Those people at the top have used said talents taking them away gives an instant disadvantage to those also trying to get to the top hence why the boards should be wiped.

[rigid onyx]

Yes they will need to implement another leaderboard post this said large update in order to compensate for the changes.

My example was how they handled it with WONY that being 30-40 leaderboards

[wheat meteor]

Yeah right....although they have always been opoosed to a leaderboard wipe for some reason as you know never wiped those that used dps glitch... roll on lvl 50 leaderboards😂

[rigid onyx]

That is why you use speedrun.com as they go by update

I wish the in game leaderboards had more detail/pages for each update

And you wouldn’t wipe the leaderboard you would just make a new one for the newest update.

[wheat meteor]

only way to be involved with speedrun.com is to post videos tho not everyone has that ability or wants to do that..while I use speedrun.com it reference I don't partake in it because I don't have videos.
you would be surprised at the amount of people that dont know that website exists

"And you wouldn’t wipe the leaderboard you would just make a new one for the newest update"
Thats what I said by lvl 50 leaderboards because if they do a gear 3.0 they will like move the gearscore

[long sky]

obviously you didnt spend 8 hours only to get to 3rd boss when IH came out

[wheat meteor]

who are you referring to.

[long sky]

those that keep complaining about the leader boards

my clan in 22 min for IH

[wheat meteor]

I mean I still don't get your reference, no one is complaining its called a discussion 😂

[long sky]

it keeps coming up

[wheat meteor]

Oh I see what this is now you just put in a random comment to give an opening in order to flex your time.😂 👀 ....nice time btw

[long sky]

tyvm

but honestly they did wipe the boards along time ago

[wheat meteor]

they never wiped them when it mattered tho

[long sky]

about a month afer IH came out because of cheating

[wheat meteor]

They never fixed the DH board and mission leaderboard from DPS glitch tho....

[dim wharf]

The old times are still up from year 1, that's what astro is talking about. They separated them when the gear system changed

[tawdry widget]

I'm a simple man, I'd be happy if you could even scroll the leader boards

Makes you wonder how something so simple, that once worked, hasn't been fixed for over a year now

So... yeah, everything is just wishing on a star, at this point

[tired parcel]

Not sure if this is the place to ask but will there be a way to get help doing the rades

[magic fulcrum]

wdym as in looking for teams?

[long sky]

#lfg-raid-ps4

[rough locust]

I know some people spent 12 hours trying to figure out Fieser.........

[rigid onyx]

Crazy to think how far the raid has come, 12 hours on fieser to 30 seconds

[west spruce]

Hi @foggy frost , there is indeed no raids going on now in raid voice channels from my observation.

[long sky]

There will be the US hasn't woken up yet

[empty grove]

It's almost 5PM, how are they not yet starting work - lazy people (Or maybe that's a fake info ? 🙂 )

[long sky]

its 1000 am est

[real elm]

It’s 11:00 est

[solemn flame]

That’s what I thought, because it’s 9:00 am mtn time….

[real elm]

Yeah it’s est my time so you should people would wanna be doing raids and all lol.

[verbal mist]

ive noticed when i lfg for dh raid need 3 it now takes forever.

[long sky]

hey surfer

[solemn flame]

Time of day may be a factor. Send me an add, psn same as discord. Lots of experience, lots of builds.

[verbal mist]

im xbox

[verbal mist]

hey

[misty cypress]

What's the best time to find a raid group pst

I keep checking the raid lfg but it doesn't seem to be working for me

[long sky]

i know tuesday cause thats reset day

[misty cypress]

Ok I'll keep that in mind thank you

[rough locust]

Weekends / Fridays can also be good times to find groups needing people

[stone lotus]

Any day of the week...a year and a half ago...it's been pretty slow for a while. Tuesdays during the day and early afternoon PST there are raids happening. They seem to die off around 3-4PM PST. Trying to find a group at 8 or 9PM PST is challenging lately it seems.

[lone nimbus]

Is there a way to beat the first IH raid boss solo

I’m trying to beat the first boss on my own like a true chad

[tawdry widget]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFfE3U5A79Q

Negotiator's Dilemma + PGC + Gunslinger Holster + Ravenous + D50

Stack Ravenous left side buff (blue) on the boss twice, then shoot the purple NPC on the helmet with the charged holster + D50, if it crits (aka the damage transfers from the NPC to the boss) and the boss hasn't touched the ground yet, he's dead. If you fail at any of these or it doesn't crit, try again

Ah, also important, Achilles Pulse, it has to be on the purple's NPC head, if not, also try again

Foam helps so the NPC doesn't run around

[granite cairn]

So generally speaking, now do you not-ragequit a group that you think is toxic? Friends wanna know,

[dry bloom]

->

[granite cairn]

yaa, just askin

[dry bloom]

gg, we did it.

[tender hollow]

i didnt get eagle bearer though :c

[tender hollow]

People are human and we get frustrated in raids that run much much longer than normal. Sometimes its just better to call it and disband if you wipe 3 times at boss 1.

[lone nimbus]

Lmfao

[tender hollow]

we took out buddy and lucy without anybody getting hit with a seeker mine

thats kinda epic

[lone nimbus]

Good team

[topaz plume]

iron horse raid

[thorny bison]

Imo opinion there is no shame in dipping on a group that is toxic. I wouldn't consider leaving that type of group a rage quit. The whole point of playing video games is having fun and some people forget that

[drifting wedge]

exactly

[granite cairn]

Agree and thanks. Tried to reach out to him/her/them but unable. However, as spoken, it's all about enjoyment, period. Hopefully he/she/they understand, maybe see this. I move forward...

[knotty herald]

Need help with dark hours raid friday 2:30-300 add me on ps4 jokey-material9
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[valid marlin]

Use #lfg-raid-console

[vale wraith]

Hi, I am new to raiding and I wanted to start farming for the raid gear. If I jump into a LFG raid group, will people get annoyed and kick me? Is there a place to sign up for newer raiders?

[hot jolt]

just hop in to a raid voice channel (commonly abbreviated as "rv"), kicking rarely happens

i'm pretty sure there are more than plenty folks willing to help you out

[vale wraith]

thanks for the reply, I will try that. I'm not bad, I can do legendary content. I was just worried that if I do something stupid I would just get booted instead of instructed.

[hot jolt]

if the former happens, then you've encountered a bad/impatient raid "leader"

i can't speak for others, but i know i'm more than willing to explain things and answer questions, i just need folks to speak up

i'd rather explain the same thing numerous times and have things go smoothly than have new players act like they know what they're doing, when they actually don't

[trail oriole]

Nah, no one cares unless it's an experienced run which are marked as KWTD. An example post would be "LF2M IH KWTD" would be a group to avoid as a newbie. If you're on around midnight EST I can take you on some runs.

[vale wraith]

Hey, thanks for responding. I cant make it tonight, but I will be jumping into a few runs this weekend to try things out

[left crow]

I want to get the regulus, but I dont know what to build for a raid. What roles/builds are there that I can farm for before I find a group for a raid?

[marsh orchid]

AR/Rifle dps build (6 red cores, crit chance and crit dmg rolls everywhere)

[left crow]

thank you kind sir

[solemn flame]

Pinned spreadsheet in #td2-build-advice but 3 providence, 1 grupo, contractors gloves, fox prayers knee pads, all red with crit chance and crit damage.

[tender hollow]

Hey! So my clan felt as if they were under level for dark hour

Does SHD score matter?

[hot jolt]

not necessarily

i'd say knowledge is more important

[dim wharf]

having basic raid builds prepared will go a long way, especially for a group whos new to it.

[paper charm]

The effect is not very large, but noticeable. There is about 10% AWD and 40% CHD difference due to the watch level (20% “raw” CHD on a 749 SHD level watch and 10% you can then trade against CHC). In term of gear, once you reach around 1500–2000 SHD level, optimization becomes quite easy by taking spare character through New York, and then farming scavenging points off its watch. The situation with the gear is also far less of a issue than a year ago, because nowadays most players can easily farm Heroic difficulty instead, possibly Legendary.

[tender hollow]

Yes and No. Gear or the right gear is more important than SHD, but up to 1000 SHD you get watch bonuses to CHC, CHD, Weapon Damage etc.
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s332/client/snv?noteGuid=6cef99f0-f034-4ea2-b328-f89117108557&noteKey=63328dfdb9d23d088cf99c7347ff8279&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs332%2Fsh%2F6cef99f0-f034-4ea2-b328-f89117108557%2F63328dfdb9d23d088cf99c7347ff8279&title=Full%2BMeta%2BJacket%2B%2528TU12%2529 is the basic build. Generally 4-7 people will use something like this.

[quick crater]

Wanted to give a shout out to @brave sedge and his crew, got me through my first raid tonight, they made it look easy. Good leadership and lots of explanation.

[hushed cypress]

Very nice explanation on that link. It helped me to understand some minor things by doing raids as a dps. But lemme ask - why no contractors glove? Is that DoA bonus really meh?

And for using lmg, since it gives dooc as a 2nd atributte, so better to pick other like crt dmg or damage to armor?

[signal basin]

Contractor’s are decent for the ads control, as majority have armor. The bosses, DH at least, are usually just health and not armor plated. I usually have armor damage as the third attribute for LMGs, but that’s just me.

[dim wharf]

Only razorback is health, dta applies on all the others. Contractors are definitely best in slot on an optimized build. It's just that if you can't reach the CHC cap while running CHD on both foxes knees and contractors gloves, the your other options end up being stronger. All in all it's the difference of a few percent.

[hushed cypress]

Good to see that. Thanks for explanation!

Ah, and for custom kard45 as a sidearm, which talent should be there if that person is intend to do any hard group content? I understand that +1 skilltier is useful for reviver hive.

So, if i play as a full red common dps (lmg+ar or rifles) - then does talent in kard45 mean something or not?

[signal basin]

Each weapon’s talents are their own, unless stated otherwise. Finisher I believe, you can switch between weapons and have it apply. I have in sync on mine. Don’t forget to have the pistol in hand to have the +1 skill tier to apply.

[hushed cypress]

Yeah, i know. That's why i see people switch to pistol and use skills aftewards and go back to use main weapons. That's right In Sync talent seems nice. Thanks again!

[trail oriole]

The TDI talent doesn't matter too much since you rarely use it to actually shoot. It's mainly used for the extra yellow for deploying skills.

[dusk moth]

DH ?

[scenic cedar]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hushed cypress]

Is it possible to farm keys/materials from raids? Or it can be opened once per week?

[crude onyx]

You can farm keys as in last bosses always drop a key, so you can do the raid 5 times to open the end chest again.
The raid specific materials or items only drop when it is first raid of the week after reset.

[tender hollow]

hi i m searching for a raid group dark hours

[slim monolith]

Hi, Im missing future initiative radio carrier ... is that to be found in a raid too ?

[split zenith]

yep

raid exlusives are the chest and bags

[tender hollow]

some one going for dh

[trail oriole]

Please use #lfg-raid-pc

[meager canyon]

Is running a raid worthwhile?

[hot jolt]

if you want to get the raid exclusives (exotics and gear set pieces), yes

[long sky]

If you've never done a raid do 1

[trail oriole]

Even if you run only for the raid exclusive loot, it's worth it. But raiding is a lot of fun in general and I'd recommend it either way.

[verbal mist]

I’ve met a bunch of people and now friends from raiding . Go in open minded and don’t be shy

[rough locust]

For the gear, yes. To end up learning both raids inside and out? Priceless

[meager canyon]

Ok nice, thanks

[plush spear]

why is it so silent in raid channels

[swift peak]

reset is tomorrow, and it's currently work/school hours for most of US and EU

[plush spear]

ohhh nice... i thought xmas is early 😇

[swift peak]

also probably fewer people in game than usual atm because there's nothing going on with regards to seasonal events or anything

[plush spear]

ok @swift peak thanks 4 the info

[lone nimbus]

What days do the raid reset

So I can get keys again

[signal basin]

Tuesday

[lone nimbus]

I’m assuming that’s Tuesday for America

[signal basin]

Yeah, tomorrow for us

[lone nimbus]

Ooof at least if I find a raid tmr I get the regulus

[elder sedge]

Did they nerf dark hours?? Only been 2 mins and boomer destroyed a turret

[lusty flower]

Any idea when Grand Washington Hotel will be invaded? Waited for weeks on this….

[warm wren]

its random

[dusk moth]

rv5 DH

[valid marlin]

Use #lfg-raid-pc

[dusk moth]

oh ok sorry

[icy hull]

@glass path wrong channel, please use the Raid LFG one.

@lament garden also ^^

[swift loom]

Anyone know how to fix bugged keys(cant open the cache), i cant open any chests in either raids

[hushed cypress]

Not sure about that, but it might be due to fact that you can open them just once per week. They're reseting like progression there. Did you open'em earlier?

[swift loom]

no happened before and after reset

and i contacted support and they said its a bug the looking into but i dont want to wait a month to get the regulus lmao

[elder sedge]

How much hp does boomer have?

Wanna try and one shot him

[west spruce]

It should be about 250m+ in Normal difficulty

[elder sedge]

Then a 100 mill crit is nothing one shotting myself

[tawdry widget]

Need buffs from team mates to one shot him, you can't do it alone.

[hushed cypress]

Is that even possible? I guess it thanks to high noon cowboy style (regulus + dc holster). ;p But i got feels that i'm wrong.

[echo burrow]

With enough buffs yes, through negotiator transfer damage from weakpoint

[rough locust]

You need at least two or three people running the same kind of build and tagging boomer then tagging the ads and hit ads weakpoints and hope for all to crit

[hushed cypress]

Interesting!

[echo burrow]

You only need 1 to one shot, rest can be just to bleed him

[echo burrow]

Not exactly sure but around 235-240m

[dim wharf]

Theres a lot that goes into it because you need every team buff you can get. Its much more of a group effort than other 1 shots.
https://youtu.be/5WjZAMirzhs?t=109

[trail oriole]

You can open the chest as much as you want as long as you've got the keys. Every 4th boss kill is a guaranteed key.

[hushed cypress]

Yeah. But i was refer to smaller chests, which it gives key and some materials. Caches they called, right?

[trail oriole]

The key crates are once a week, yeah. I'm not sure of the actual name of them to be fair.

[solemn flame]

If you can’t open key boxes (1st run after reset) return to BOO/WH (don’t leave raid) then return to raid and try again. That used to fix it. @swift loom

[umbral yacht]

(for dark hours razorback)
tbh anyone know the logic behind EMP-er running on 1-inside?

shouldn't the EMP-er, with the least DPS, run on 3-inside?

3-inside literally has the worst angles possible to support on ad controls

[dim wharf]

its normally done on front because theres the safe spot right next to RB that doesnt exist on back. It can be done anywhere though, although 1 have the best angles to help is good since the ads person covering the HW build generally needs all the help they can get. HW wont do any damage, but even from range they can CC with a scorpio to help them quite a bit, and because of the angles on 3 they are basically useless there.

[umbral yacht]

Yea guess the safe spot does make sense, but assuming that the emp-er knows a safe spot for 3-in

HW wont do any damage, but even from range they can CC with a scorpio to help them quite a bit, and because of the angles on 3 they are basically useless there.
why not just swap 1 and 3 then.

like you said, the angle on 3-inside is useless; Aka one should put the guy with the worst support capabilities there: the Jammer.
then now the guy on 1-inside is someone who can support the outside wayy better than a jammer.

[tawdry widget]

The people outside should be able to take care of 2 adds per wave alone, independent of the spot they're at. With that said, HW can also be done with red cores for both helping with adds (while the generators are charging) and destroying weak points when waiting for the waves of drones. And yes, that can also be done in any circle. In my book, wherever the jammer wants to be is good if he can do his job.

[umbral yacht]

ye ideally, but just curious why the unspoken rule of jammer on 4/1

prob cuz of the safe spot

[tawdry widget]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ people are just used to it, I imagine. On the back you can also position yourself behind the truck and not be hit by the mortars, especially if running a skill tier HW, the range of the jammer will be gigantic, there's no need to be hugging Razorback.

Also depends of which side people want to open first, back or front, if there are Gunslinger + Ravenous + D50 builds, and which sides, etc.

[west spruce]

Putting Jammer on the front means that all dps at the back can open both weakpoints easily without requiring much movement, compared to front where they have to move to left and right wings to open them, thus wasting time repositioning if one cannot solo the weakpoints; and no one said jammer has to stay front all the time; if back is fully broken, the crossbow dps on the back can swap position with jammer on the front, so that now front has full dps to open the front weakpoints, leaving jammer at the back.

[gusty willow]

I would say reason for jammer being on front it because more dps is on the back. Before everyone ran “one shot build” you actually needed a lot of dps to open and groups were doing back back front front. With ravenous competent person can prep front by itself and location of jammer doesnt really matter nowdays

[tender hollow]

When I do it, which is not often, I prefer doing it on 1 circle. Raucey mentioned the benefits. Also it is easier for 1 outside in my opinion to kill the ads faster and help with the weak points.

[limber violet]

dh level 1000+, friendly

raid vc 2

[verbal mist]

I run drones on razor from 4 , I usually run overwatch and it’s a great angle from the gen to hit it

[solemn flame]

Same, and I cover to cover everywhere to keep overwatch up the whole encounter

[scenic plank]

I need help with raid

[swift peak]

what kind of help

[scenic plank]

I can’t do the acc raid bc I don’t have anyone too doo it with and I’ve been trying the get the eg

Eb

[swift peak]

you need to find a PS group who run it, preferably an experienced one - matchmaking won't work because you can only MM on 'discovery' difficulty which won't get you the EB or any other raid-exclusive rewards. You can use the #lfg-raid-console group here but I suspect most PS players use other online channels to find groups - I've heard XBox uses Reddit, but not sure about PS

[scenic plank]

I understand the dh raid somewhat but it just getting a group together and ive checked no one’s really active on there atm

[zealous crescent]

I need help to Dark Hours ps4/5

[waxen ore]

I have a question can you go no shield on Morozova when staggering her?

[vagrant wing]

yes ofc

it would be wise to stack blue primers from the rav as a bonus armor (or use a high armor regen build and pray your healer pays attention)

[waxen ore]

Shield would be wiser for someone learning to stagger?

[vagrant wing]

the shield is there to keep you alive... if your healer/s are good enough/you know how to use the rav properly - you don't need it. If not, the yeah it makes things a bit easier for the tank

[waxen ore]

Thanks @vagrant wing

[vagrant wing]

np. gl 🙂

[long sky]

I stagger like I burn water

[jolly wave]

Need help with dark hour raid

[hardy shell]

so with the recent Striker buff,how does it work in an actual raid?

[jolly wave]

I’m trying to get the exotic ar for pvp

I’m running a build that like a year ago had decent armored gen and awesome shield mixed with the lady death

I did the discovery raid and it was easy but I haven’t try the normal raid and everyone said is way difficult

[long sky]

If your trying for eb then you need to do DH raid on normal,it won't give it to you on discovery

[echo burrow]

not really

[long sky]

It's a little more harder enemies are stronger but with lvl 40 gear its alot easier(DH). IH has a lot more mechanics.

[swift peak]

@worldly geyser one still here

[abstract terrace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD0Z5UsIT70 Cheaters in the raids now! from my clan mate the other night

[dim wharf]

I've already reported it to the mods here and on the ubi forums, but the guy still hasn't been banned from this discord

hes also been posting in the end-game discord bragging how he can carry anyone with "OFFERING CHEATING SPEEDRUNS"

[lime crest]

I’m on Xbox one trying to get the EB

[abstract terrace]

Well it does not surprise me with Ubi, They cant even fix this game so they wont ban anyone

[dim wharf]

tbf i was talking about the discord which isnt run by Ubi. I actually did get a response from ubi, but idk if they were/will be banned or not.

[tribal mountain]

Do you have the Discord name?

[dim wharf]

I think Cheshire banned him, but it was Fake_Brembos

[tribal mountain]

Thank you.

[livid onyx]

Are you able to stack keys? Say if you collect 5 keys and don't open the last chest, will they stack into the next raid?

[tender stag]

up to 15

[livid onyx]

Cool. Thanks.

[tropic kraken]

need 6 for raid dh

[long sky]

Wrong only 5

For either

[ebon shell]

I@m desperate for eagle bearer! Pls help me any one🙏🙏🙏

[worldly geyser]

Hm?

What do you mean?

What was the ping for?

[verbal mist]

Weird . I remember seeing this in the dz a while back but they fixed it I thought . Now it’s open world ?

[warm wren]

It was a ping meant for me.

[swift peak]

Ok that's confusing, sorry Aspects. Another mod removed the scam post since then.

[warm urchin]

Looking for DH

[scarlet bluff]

Me too. Trying to get EB

[long sky]

Afternoon kettle

[long sky]

@warm urchin #lfg-raid-ps4

@scarlet bluff #lfg-raid-xbox

I think I got the colors right

[swift peak]

Hey saph

[idle depot]

Anybody on ps4 willing to join and do a raid

[valid marlin]

Check #lfg-raid-console

[long sky]

Evening Isabel

[valid marlin]

Hey Saph

[latent delta]

Is it ok if i ask about raid builds in this channel?

[knotty herald]

It need to be all red all damage

[tender hollow]

yes this channel is for everything related to raids. You can also ask in #td2-build-advice too

[knotty herald]

Oh is anyone doing any raids my friend needs to do dark hours raid tonight asap if yall can help add him sunken_breach psn

??????????????????

[valid marlin]

@knotty herald

1. Stop spamming emotes
2. Use #lfg-raid-console

[knotty herald]

Ok sorry

[latent delta]

ok

does anyone here have a raid build for the ravenous?

[molten knoll]

@pliant eagle is Habibi still leading raids 🤔

[tender hollow]

https://youtu.be/AyedWt-ppK4?t=65

[tender hollow]

Need a team for dark hours on normal.....trying to get the eagle bearer

[long sky]

@tender hollow #lfg-raid-pc

[thorny bison]

Standard dps build with foxes prayer knees

[verbal mist]

Ok a few times now I’ve been asked to switch my world to normal no directives on dh lfg . Literally does nothing , I don’t want to argue with the leader but wtf do people ask this ? @thorny bison

[thorny bison]

It used to be a thing but it got fixed a long time ago. Now people use it as an excuse for when they struggle

To be fair I keep my world on normal from superstition

[verbal mist]

I was so confused yesterday when dude asked me. So I switched my world to heroic with all directives 😂🤣

[thorny bison]

People have their superstitions which is fine lol. It just shows the power of word of mouth

Like the truck on Pokemon red

[wheat meteor]

People have the superstitions. And we joke about it.
But have you guys never been in an IH and seen the special ammo symbol over the snipers heads???
While they dont have special ammo. The sheer fact that the symbol appears at times is enough for me to keep my world on normal.
Its not supposed to be there...so what else is not supposed to be there when that happens.
Better to be safe than sorry when speed running. 🙂

[lilac lagoon]

Is there a difference between normal mode gear and discovery?

[halcyon linden]

big differences might I add

[lilac lagoon]

What's the differences?

[solemn flame]

one difference is you can't access the crate at the end on discovery. crate had top end gear and chance at eagle bearer exotic ar.

[lilac lagoon]

Ah

So it's just better to run normal mode?

[halcyon linden]

@lilac lagoon the ads are easier and some of the mechanics dont work the same as in.the normal raid and of course no exotics keys etc

[solemn flame]

always, discovery is practice mode for those new to the raid. once and done in my opinionm.

[lilac lagoon]

Well time to do Discovery DH then

[halcyon linden]

@lilac lagoon Have fun , it's the best way to learn

[lilac lagoon]

Well I hope to God I don't get multiple languages in lobby..

[halcyon linden]

@lilac lagoon this time of the day there should be people on from USA and OCE/Asia

[lilac lagoon]

I got most of my healer gear...so I should be fine

[halcyon linden]

@lilac lagoon you need a DPS build for either raids

[lilac lagoon]

I have strikers with Ravenous

[west spruce]

Discovery is a good place for you to get familiar with the raid layout, but it doesn't prepare you with the proper mechanic for Normal raid. Ideally do not bring over what you have learnt mechanic wise from Discovery into Normal, best to learn fresh from there.

[lilac lagoon]

With a decent roll coyote mask

[halcyon linden]

@lilac lagoon you need a full red build , 3 piece providence with obliterate chest and Vigilance backpack , fox prayers named kneepads , one groupo and famas with damage to targets out of cover with in sync on it

aim for around 50%chic and 160+CHD

[lilac lagoon]

I'll need to save that xD

[lilac lagoon]

What Chic and CHD

[vagrant wing]

chc == crit chance, chd == crit dmg (the i is a typo i guess)

[Critical Hit Chance] if the acronyms interests you

[west spruce]

Kelso and 169%

[lilac lagoon]

Thank ye

[lilac lagoon]

@halcyon linden Groupo?

[solemn flame]

grupo sombra is a brand of gear that gives you 15% chd when you wear one piece.

[lilac lagoon]

I don't have it xD

[fresh cloud]

Time to farm for one then

[hardy shell]

how do you beat the robo dogs in Dark Hour again?

[echo burrow]

Balance their healthbar

[hardy shell]

so only when their healthbar is equal can i damage them?

[echo burrow]

No you can damage them whenever but if one of them gets too low than the other they go to middle and heal

[hardy shell]

how much of a healthbar difference are we talking here?2 white bars?

[echo burrow]

There's a bracket on both their healthbars just keep it within that

[hardy shell]

neat,thanks m8

it was for a friend,he's asking me how to do the dog and i was carried that time so

[tawdry widget]

google also has plenty of guides

some are more advanced (speed running) some are a bit old (pre lvl 40), but most of them show the brackets and how to balance the health

for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeSwTLt-CLI bit old and I wouldn't pay too much attention to their "strategy", but it covers all you need to know

[long sky]

MERRY XMAS

[wild ferry]

Hi everyone I'm new to the raid and I'm wanting the eagle bearer but don't have 8 friends can anyone help 🤔

OK thanks

[solemn flame]

sorry this is for raid discussions for all platforms, my bad. but the LFG (looking for group) xbox channel might be better.

[wild ferry]

Thanks ill have a look.

[tawdry island]

Good news is, u only need 7 friends😉

[silver lily]

Anyone down for Dark Hours?

[long sky]

Go down to the lfg

[scarlet coral]

DH RV25 Fast Run

[valid marlin]

Use #lfg-raid-pc

[scarlet coral]

@valid marlin copy that. Actually, just slipped on a banana peel and fell into the wrong room. LOL! Merry Christmas! 🤣

[valid marlin]

Merry Christmas!

[tender hollow]

Merry Christmas all, and Happy New Year. I need to do the second raid 2 times, I finished it today but I need to get 10 materials for the first project, and then the five pieces of the pistol. Can anyone carry me? I mean, I have a 60/180 build, but I am no expert in the raid. That is why I ask, some of my contacts do it i in about 20 minutes, anyone can give me a hand?

I forgot, I am native language in English, French and Italian, so all is ok

[tender hollow]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s332/client/snv?noteGuid=6cef99f0-f034-4ea2-b328-f89117108557&noteKey=63328dfdb9d23d088cf99c7347ff8279&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs332%2Fsh%2F6cef99f0-f034-4ea2-b328-f89117108557%2F63328dfdb9d23d088cf99c7347ff8279&title=Full%2BMeta%2BJacket%2B%2528TU12%2529 <- meta raid dps build

[paper charm]

I honestly do not understand the fad of this supposedly “meta” build here, that is not. For example, why Sharpshooter and Gunner, but not Demolitionist and Survivalist of everything? And how is it useful to have 8 Coyote’s Masks, if everybody follow the advice? And please somebody also explain why the focus on pistols, but no D&H? And then there is this shield, virtually nowhere in the raid do you need shields, except maybe for buffs and one person.

And the Banshee pulse, but no Achilles pulse, WTF?

[tender hollow]

This is the build recommended to newer players to raids. People who have done them 20+ times, will most probably use something different

[paper charm]

Sorry, but my group have taken on players with 3 clears to moderate speed-runs, and this is not the build to have. It reads like builds for a super slow, 2 hours raid.

[hot jolt]

Nothing wrong with a run taking that long, as long as they're learning something new (though that's the way I see things, I understand not everyone is willing to go through the painstaking 2+ hours)

[paper charm]

It is not about “willing to go through.” 2 (even “+”) hours raids typically have incorrect mechanics. These raids are literally teaching new players the wrong way. And people who have some education background should know that it is neither productive to stretch things beyond one hour.

[cunning meadow]

Standard PUG raids with moderately experienced people take around 1 hour lmao.

[hot jolt]

Gonna go back real quick, what constitutes as a "moderate speedrun" then? Just so I have an idea, because I'm genuinely confused by the phrasing. When I read that, I thought you were showing them some speedrunning tactics, which obviously isn't smart if they don't even have the basic mechanics down (something I'm sure you'd agree on). My bad if that's not what you meant in that comment.

Regarding the long times: don't forget that we occasionally have folks who go AFK for whatever reason and it's not uncommon to have plenty of those moments (basing off of personal experience, mileage may vary)

[paper charm]

What I mean are non-technical “speed-runs,” i.e. no Negotiator one-shots, Headhunter sniping, synchronized stacking, etc. Typically for Iron Horse you can run to around 40 min with a few mistakes here and there. Dark Hours maybe 20 min.

[hot jolt]

I see, thanks for the clarification!

[hot jolt]

Another question, if you don't mind: how do you teach new people in your group? I have no clue how detailed each boss and their mechanics is described in your runs, so I can't tell if I just speak very slowly or not. If I had to guess, the ~40 minutes (for Iron Horse) comes from relatively brief explanations and nobody going AFK. That's just speculation though, so correct me if needed.

[paper charm]

Two runs, one with explanation, one without. We sometimes also spread the explanation to multiple days.

The point I want to make is that some of the build choices in this “FMJ” is actively sabotaging the survivability and DPS, like running Sharpshooter and Gunner. At least I start to understand the origin of those strange specializations we encounter when letting in new players.

Or for example, new players tend to be placed on the generators/“plates” at Razorback. That they are supposed to have Demo or Survivalist, and not Gunner and the kind, should be pretty self-evident.

And there are some nitpicking details in the guide that are not very consequential for new players, but just wrong, or looks suspiciously like the author misunderstood something. For example, running a non-perfect Glass Cannon is because you want to run e.g. a D&H or Česká glass cannon, not because you want to swap against a regular Providence Glass Cannon.

[hot jolt]

Agreed, it sucks when I have to tell the important (Demolitionist and Survivalist) folks to do outsides instead because the new player(s) lack(s) the DPS to deal with NPCs.

I can see why Sharpshooter and Gunner are recommended though, it's mainly for the passive talents (+15% Stability and 10% AoK, which helps with folks struggling). Greedy and a bit of a crutch, but if that helps them effectively clear NPCs, I'm not gonna stop them.

[paper charm]

Sorry, no. Especially for Iron Horse, the players die not because of NPCs, they are mostly mortared to death while lacking the Braced for Impact. And when they die this way, they eat up the limited amount of revives. Then they lack an actually useful specialization weapon to clear NPCs quickly (e.g. the “tarmac”). If a player wants to use a specialization with so little regard to the speed and team damage, he/she should probably seek those 2+ hours raid groups.

We also actively ask players to used the +20% Stability mod on M1A CQB, if they feel needing the stability. And speed-run groups tend to have dedicated healing players with a lot of practice for that position specifically, so AoK should not be an issue.

[hot jolt]

To be fair, Demo shouldn't even be necessary, if it's only used to survive the mortars in Iron Horse. I will say that I like to have it for the 5% DttoC that teammates get.

[paper charm]

If you want to talk about new players needing “crutch,” it is mostly the Braced for Impact. And I alluded obliquely to the DttoC, when I mentioned team damage.

[hot jolt]

I believe there are settings for the colorblind, but I don't remember if that makes the red circles more visible as well.

[paper charm]

They apply, but speed-runs are different. For example, after phase skipping, the group is clustered together, and players die very quickly without Braced for Impact. You can even have overlapping mortars you cannot easily roll out of.

The player is equally not supposed to rely on the specialization stability/AoK, or he should stop speed-running.

[hot jolt]

I thought we were talking about normal runs, that's why I said specialization doesn't matter too much. I don't do speedruns, so I can't say much about that.

Just realized I can't read, welp.

[hot jolt]

I'm assuming you're talking about (mini/half) Faraday here?

[paper charm]

Well, I can only reiterate the observation I made earlier that all these strange builds are for slow groups and their inadequacies, not because of a new player’s ability.

[hot jolt]

Fair enough.

[paper charm]

For example, a recently joined returning player (no IH experience) observed how much more survivable skipping is to normal slow runs, once with the right specialization. So pardon our annoyance at the incorrect ways other groups are apparently teaching this.

[swift peak]

The standard fmj build guide is for general pve gameplay, not specific to raids. It's used as a simple starting point for raids just because one of the main issues for new raiders is not enough dps, and it doesn't suffer from that. Tweaking the spec and skills is easily enough done.

[paper charm]

What you are now claiming is just not correct. I quote from the very beginning: “This a is solid build [...] but most commonly used as the primary DPS build in both raids. When someone in a raid says ‘Put on a DPS build’ they mean ideally this build, not just any red build.”

[dim wharf]

So I actually asked to rewrite that and did, but then it was edited after me and that specialization bit was tacked on lol

This was my version of it.
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/6e28b624-3454-4c25-b570-7a7ae89fa501/c36f7d6117d83d299c414e37d4cd1921

It's also not explicitly intended as a raid build, more as a general guide which does explain some things. Although that's personally all I use it for.

The original version before my edits only suggested revive hive and banshee pulse, so that's the only reason that got left.

[empty notch]

Is there a way to control the Raid server location ? When I'm in the normal game it's Asia , when I host a raid it moves to either Australia or Europe

[gusty willow]

Yes if you start the raid before inviting rest of the folks you will get raid on server that gives you lowest ping. But if you invite everyone in and then start the raid, game will give you server so everyone on average has lowest ping possible

[empty notch]

Oh ok, thank you

[verbal mist]

In reference to above raid loadouts and such . I appreciate everyone’s time in making these loadouts . I do agree I run a raid a bit different and walk new players through a bit different gear than suggested .

[spice haven]

There seems to be some controversy, what’s the best build for raids for a newbie?

[fluid pier]

In my opinion, unless they REALLY REALLY want to learn to do specific roles with unique builds, a completely new raider should just have 6 core reds on their build and they'll be fine raiding. Don't really think it matters too much what specialization or talents someone uses in a casual raid. The raids are not so hard that you'd need perfect builds to carry your own weight as well as get through it in a reasonable amount of time. New raiders can fine-tune and farm for more optimized builds once they're a little more knowledgeable on how the raid works and have a rough idea what build(s) will suit their own playstyle more.

[spice haven]

Sounds good, thank you for the answer

[dull mountain]

Can I wear True Patroit with Tardigrade?

[fluid pier]

All red cores lol tardigrade is a blue core.

[dull mountain]

but I wear tardigrade to provide extra armor for my teammate

nearly every time there's always some ppl have that shiny blue armor

[fluid pier]

lmfao if one wishes to I guess

[scenic moss]

hi everyone

even if im shade lvl 2500 i still have to do all raids. anyone up to help?

[olive raft]

yes my friend need to drop an eagle bearer we're two

i run an eagle bearer build with firewall for the shield and the memento

[scenic moss]

you can find me and other guy in channel 1

[olive raft]

and he runs an headshot m1A classic build

ok we're coming

[scenic moss]

we r full dps too

[olive raft]

guys we need one more player we're at the dark hour raid boss

[trail oriole]

I'd imagine it's because even a casual player can put together a build like that, and it provides a bit of a team boost.
While I do agree that the specialization definitely shouldn't be gunner, I don't understand your hate for sharpshooter, but I need to run it on half of my IH speed builds so that adds bias.
I also agree with the teaching method, and that things like mini Faraday's should be the norm.

[tender stag]

"... and that things like mini Faraday's should be the norm."
based

[random tide]

o snap mb weong channel

[empty notch]

Pestilence with Glass Canon gets more damage output right ? At the same time it seems like when we test with Striker Stacks it doesn't increase the damage numbers with Pestilence

Any particular reason for it ?

[kind token]

Glass Cannon Amplifies all Damage .. (Which i think includes the pesti debuf numbers) Striker only amplifies weapon dmg not debuf

[fresh cloud]

Quick question: Parts for the Regulus drops from the bosses and the box at the end, right?

[swift peak]

yes, but only if it's a fresh run (first of the week for that character) and you have the relevant project active

[fresh cloud]

That means I have to wait for reset on Tuesday my side then, ty o7

[olive raft]

do you guys know the drop rate for the backfire on summit legendary floor 100 hunters ? because i've been farming the hunters for sevral hours now and still nothing

i killed like 25 hunters and none of them dropped it ... i'm starting to think it isn't possible

[solemn flame]

I think floor 90 boss farm might be better but I'm not sure. just checking. you do have targeted loot set to smg's right?

[olive raft]

yes of course

[solemn flame]

@olive raft back when you had to farm open world bosses in NYC for lady death, I had to kill over 75 before it finally dropped. It's all down to rng bro....

[olive raft]

yeah haha i guess i need to farm more xDD

just did another run but unfortunately nothing so far

[plucky sigil]

anyone doing EB runs atm or soon? I am looking to join a DH run to get mines, already ran it a bunch but no luck so far

[trail oriole]

Look in #lfg-raid-pc, this is for discussion of the raids.

[plucky sigil]

ok

[north turtle]

Need to finish the first 2 projects, to get regulus project?, I have 3 clean rn and nothing

[vagrant wing]

you get the regulus chain project by finishing your first raid, after which you need to hand in 4 sequential projects (requires some IH base material and various gear pcs). when you done with those you get the final project after which you can craft it

[rough locust]

Backfire, or do you mean Bighorn? Coz Backfire you can get from targeted loot SMGs and exotic caches. Bighorn is the AR that drops only from legendary content.

[olive raft]

backfire, if i wrote backfire i meant backfire why would i say backfire if speaking about the bighorn

[rough locust]

Well you mentioned you're doing legendaries when the backfire can drop on any difficulty. Why you're doing legendary difficulty for a backfire is beyond me.

[olive raft]

to get a good rolled and because you have much higher chance of dropping an exotic on legendary maybe ?????

yes exotics can drop on any difficulty but you have much higher chance of dropping an exotic on legendary and have a god roll

[still crown]

Hello everyone. I need regulus gun help me plz

[solemn flame]

have you done iron horse raid yet?

[still crown]

I did once on discovery

[solemn flame]

you will have to do it on normal a few times to get regulus...

[still crown]

In normal I don't hve anyone to invite

[solemn flame]

use #lfg-raid-console be sure to let them know you are new to normal difficulty.

[lofty prism]

Can anyone invite me to a raid on normal please

[solemn flame]

#lfg-raid-console = Looking For Group - Raid - Playstation....

[lofty prism]

Yes

[solemn flame]

better to post there than here

[lofty prism]

Ok

[hallow mesa]

hi! Anybody group for eagle b?

[hot jolt]

#lfg-raid-pc is where you want to look

[wooden rivet]

Hi, anyone have space left for me to join raid? I'm looking for a group for weeks, I just want to farm the EagleB once in the game. Please invite me if possible. Thank you

@solemn flame can I join you?

[solemn flame]

Don’t have a group atm, join a clan that raids a lot if you can

[wooden rivet]

@solemn flame I've tried join 10 different clans...they never have people online. I've been trying doing a raid for weeks.

[solemn flame]

Sometimes it’s like that… just keep watching the #lfg-raid-console channel, there are groups that help people with their first time clears (FTC)…

[wooden rivet]

@solemn flame thank you bro for the support...

@solemn flame

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15% WEAPON DAMAGE
12% CRI DAMAGE

JAVELINA MASK
TOTAL ARMOR 5%
170K ARMOR
8% WEAPON HANDLE
12% CRIT DAMAGE
5.1% CRIT CHANCE

BACKPACK

• MOMENTO ( NOT GOOD ROLLS)
  -STRIKER
  14.2% WEAPON DAMAGE
  10% CRIT DAMAGE
  10.9 CRIT DAMAGE

AND SOME OTHER WITH 170K ARMOR

@solemn flame I have changed and its now on 126% crit damage

135% crit damage for raid is good now?

[tawdry widget]

@wooden rivet Memento Backpack: as it has an "on kill" mechanic, meaning that you have to land the last shot for the token to drop, it's not the best in a raid, where 7 other players are also killing things. Also, most of the boss fights won't have enough NPCs for you to build those memento stacks.

Gila Mask: Is probably the worst you could have, that armor core won't save you from 2 bullets shot at you. It's better to have a red core, the more damage you do, the faster you kill, meaning the less time they have to shoot at you.

[wooden rivet]

@tawdry widget yes i realised is good only when you killing alot npc and picking up sticks as you said.

@tawdry widget OK...Will change now

[tawdry widget]

Using a Striker set, I'd use another chest (personally I'd go Glass Cannon or Obliterate as a talent) and Fox Prayer's or Coyote Mask for the group buff.

As a whole, I'd stay away from Striker for the raid, unless you're already experienced. And I'd be aiming at 50% CHC and 150% CHD.

[wooden rivet]

I've been doing well on legendary...but I will change the chest and mask as suggested.

[tawdry widget]

Thing is, like the Memento mechanic, you have to build stacks for the build to reach it's potential, if you're waiting for NPCs or it's short burst fights, you won't reach those max stacks where it can be "good".

[wooden rivet]

@tawdry widget I have umbra plate carrier with glass cannon, 15% WEAPON DAMAGE, 11% crit damage and 6% kill damage. The talent is recalibrate

@tawdry widget momento is already on my stash :) not using for raid build at all...thank you

[dim wharf]

if your running striker, run the chest or run a completely different build. Its really not worth running without the chest imo.

although for raids in general, and especially if your new, just dont run striker

[wooden rivet]

@dim wharf I will run the striker chest then...because is the only build I have at its maxed stats apart of the chest

[dim wharf]

maxed stats arent important, just the the right stats in place (CHC and CHD). you can hit 50% chc and 150% chd without maxed stats or shd levels

[tawdry widget]

Except for Razorback, not sure if those 100 stacks will be ever reached, honestly, I'm even doubting the 50 will be reached

[wooden rivet]

@dim wharf right now I'm.stting at 133 chd and 21 chc

[fierce pike]

@tawdry widget you cna shoot razorback's body to build stacks

[dim wharf]

you can use an acs to get to max stacks very quickly, and build stacks on razorback at any time. Its still not something I would recommend for someone new though, just another thing to be paying attention to while you have a bunch of other new things going on.

[tawdry widget]

Yes, that's why I said except for Razorback

[fierce pike]

all bosses actually. like @dim wharf said just was an ACS shotgun

[dim wharf]

striker is amazing on buddy/lucy as well. You can get to 100 stacks before they stop being immune and have full damage the entire time.

[wooden rivet]

I'm so confused now 🤔

[tawdry widget]

True, there's ACS/Rock N Roll

@wooden rivet 3x providence, 1x sombra, 1x contractor's gloves, 1x fox prayer's kneepads. chc/chd everywhere

[dim wharf]

we are just getting into the weeds a bit with striker, which is why im suggesting not using it while your learning. Check this guide out and try to put this together, even if its not exact
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s332/client/snv?noteGuid=6cef99f0-f034-4ea2-b328-f89117108557&noteKey=63328dfdb9d23d088cf99c7347ff8279&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs332%2Fsh%2F6cef99f0-f034-4ea2-b328-f89117108557%2F63328dfdb9d23d088cf99c7347ff8279&title=Full%2BMeta%2BJacket%2B%2528TU12%2529

[tawdry widget]

can't go wrong with a build like that for raid

[wooden rivet]

@tawdry widget thank you, all I'm looking for is a raid build.

I. Very happy with my striker set. I always get my stacks at full on missions and or summit...but I know the raid is going to need different build. I'm going to farm theses now

@dim wharf I will check now thank you

@dim wharf I can see I have loads to farm for this. I better get started hahaha

[tawdry widget]

This game does a very poor job with lots of builds and talents that are simply not that good in group play, with "on kill" mechanics that are very hard to take advantage of when playing with more people in a group. With that said, there are loadouts you can keep 12 builds, each for a different thing.

Need more backpack and stash space

148/150 300/300 life here... across 3 chars

[wooden rivet]

Shall I farm Providence at summit?

[tawdry widget]

That's my wish for 2022, not a new shiny exotic, just unlocking more inventory space every time I kill a boss.

[tawdry widget]

That's a good way to do it, yep

[wooden rivet]

@tawdry widget thanks

Please if anyone still have slot for.raid gimme me a shout. Can't wait to.do my first one with a group

[dim wharf]

keep an eye out in the lfg channel for someone saying LF(x) (looking for x number of players) DH (dark hours)/IH (iron horse). Thats where your going to group up, not in here. youll give them your psn and they will add you as a friend on there

Let people know your new so they can explain what you need to do and what your role is for each boss.

[wooden rivet]

@dim wharf ahhhh OK thank you 😊

@dim wharf I watched dark hours online how to do and I know on theory :) thank you again

[dim wharf]

youll still want to mention your new

[wooden rivet]

@dim wharf 100%

[swift peak]

tuesday

[karmic girder]

Aloha, I'm new to raids (not to the game, though I'm only close to watch lvl 1,000). What is a good rule of thumb or pointers for me to go by when constructing a raid build? What are some things I need to keep in mind when going on my first raid?

[twin junco]

In my opinion you should have a good DPS build, all red (3x Providence, 1x Grupo, 1x Ceska, Foxes Prayer/Overlord). Talent for example Unbreakable. Weapon M1A classic and an AR or something you prefer. With such a build you can support your group with clearing ads in both raids. And when you search for a group, do not join a kwtd (= know what to do) group. Tell the raid leader at the beginning that you are new. He will give you a position then that fits to you. Just listen and do what you are told to do. That's it! Have fun in the raids 👍

[wooden rivet]

@twin junco that worked for me yesterday on iron raid, we had a very good leader

[karmic girder]

Awesome @twin junco thank you. Typically how long does a raid take, assuming the team doesn't know what's going on? I want to make sure I have enough time to see it through.

Also, would a build using sokolov instead of providence work as well? Or are SMGs a bad bet in raids?

[surreal arrow]

@karmic girder , raids can vary time wise depending on the team involved and the strategy. For DH maybe plan to have around an hour, for IH 2 hours, but if the team is solid, the times will be less than that.

[icy hull]

yup ^^ also, If "a team doesnt know what they are doing" they may not even be able to complete said raid, or will take hours to do so (if at all).

Raids can be mostly Ranged fights too FYI, so SMGs arent that great.

[surreal arrow]

@karmic girder try and get into a raid where you are the only newbie (or with maybe 1 other), that way there is less for the raid leader to teach and the other members will carry you, the more you raid though and learn the positions the easier it will become, stick to recommended builds first then branch out when you have experience

[karmic girder]

Thank you for the input

[karmic girder]

Do items like Memento or coyote mask have any place in a raid build?

[hushed cypress]

Coyotes are nice for group tho. Not sure about Memento, cause you need to make killing blow to be able collect buffs... But saw ppl running with it in raids. :)

[dim wharf]

A backpack with vigilance is much more effective than the memento in raids.

[karmic girder]

What should I do in terms of survivability?

[dim wharf]

Don't need it. Unbreakable at the most.

[karmic girder]

Thank you all for the advice. I'll get to work on maxing out my raid build and I'll see you guys out there

[tender hollow]

If you have more than 50 chc (or 40 chc if you use Coyotes) + 150 chd on a 6 red core build or close, it would be better than what 50% of new players have on their first raid. Note that the 50 chc + 150 chd is the minimum requirement to join a Dark Hours clan raid for some clans.

[icy hull]

Still want 60 chc total (counting buffs) for dps build.

[twin junco]

@karmic girder nothing more to add 👍 the more chc and chd you have, the better you can clear ads. And I started with companion on backpack, healer drone and unbreakable. Thats works fine for me in my first raids.

[ornate tiger]

can someone explain to me how to complete the gray encounter of Iron Horse Raid?

[trail oriole]

@wheat mural You're gonna want an all red DPS build with Vigilance/obliterate for gear talents. M1A and any decent rifle you've got.
As for the time it'll take? That's just RNG.

[wheat mural]

so if I play DH on discovery mode I wont be able to earn eagle bearer?

[ornate tiger]

and who might be tht member certainly not a no mic one right?👀 👀

maybe a crit?

will negotiate with him?

hmm..okay will saying please work?

oh boi

ok

but we can do with one good negotiater right?

[pastel canopy]

am i able to get some help on dark hours to add the eagle bearer to much collection

[muted horizon]

You're looking for #lfg-raid-ps
might take you a few tries, make sure you ask the group to give you a spare. Most ppl are happy to.

[sly lily]

Raids will be up after the Weekly Reset, yay 🙂

[valid marlin]

Post that in #lfg-raid-pc

[pastel canopy]

Thanks for redirecting me to the right channel i wasnt sure what to post it in

[vocal sand]

For Raids, I read the Raid guide from the build/gear spreadsheet, i didn't see any skill builds listed for the raid, are they not used?

[rough locust]

Coyote Mask to buff team damage, works well on a normal DPS build but works better on an overwatch / opportunistic build setup using Scorpio. Memento I use most when doing ad control / doors at boss 4 of IH (4pc Hunter's Fury, Intimidate chest, Memento and Scorpio - slap at least 4 blues on the build). Anything that tries to come out the door dies pretty quickly and you get stronger the more you kill and generally never need healing due to HF's AOK.

[trail oriole]

No.

[paper charm]

Normally the healer or the tank should be the one using Opportunistic, not a DPS player. I would highly recommend a new player not to join a raid group with Opportunistic, if at all possible. Furthermore: On the 3rd boss in IH the game can glitch if anybody with significant DPS tries to do the boss damage with the Scorpio, which is a major sore point with new players. Also, more critical groups will call you out when they see you using the Scorpio to do the entire amount of damage to the NPCs (i.e. not switching to a higher DPS weapon).

[trail oriole]

Running a coyotes mask is a solid choice. Use unbreakable or obliterate chest, vigilance backpack. Rifle+AR.

[ivory eagle]

Did the reset happen?

I'm new to the game and dont know the times

[hot jolt]

they happen on tuesdays at 10 am cet, so yes (since it's 11:54 am cet at the time of writing this)

[ivory eagle]

ty

[twin junco]

@vocal sand for the standard positions in both raids, you dont need skill builds. Especially DH is a DPS check for the group.

[wet widget]

can you still one shot gray with nego in ih raid??

[hot jolt]

yup

[wet widget]

is the ravenous must have for the start ??

[hot jolt]

for nego? absolutely

[wet widget]

oh crap..is there any other method that do not need the ravenous you aware of ??

[hot jolt]

not that i know of, no

[rough locust]

I think you can one shot the boss with an overcharged achilles pulse regulus shot at full dodge city stacks, but I've personally not had it work yet.

[dim wharf]

A single regulus won't 1 shot grey, although synced shots from the team on multiple Achilles weakpoints can. But I think alien was talking about the nego strat which does need the rav

[rotund gate]

Hello agents, looking for the EB AR so is there any possibility to join the DH raid? My SHD 235 and I have DPS of Coyote mask, Providence backpack (talent vigilance), Providence chest (talent unbreakable), Ceska gloves, Providence holster, Fox prayer knee pads. I have joined the discovery raid but I don’t like the random environment in such tactical game mode. I have AR and rifle or sniper. I believe Scorpio won’t help in such thing! Looking forward to hearing from you

[paper charm]

LFG is probably more successful with #lfg-raid-console which will be specific to PS. Scorpio actually can useful for both boss 2 and 3 in DH. If the group on boss 2 does not kill the boss/minibosses quickly, Scorpio can be used to at least status the NPCs during the debuff phase (“purple gas”). On boss 3 Scorpio’ing the dogs in the center of the room is a viable strategy. If you want to be very particular with the build, you can even have one piece all-red/crit Badger Tuff for boss 3.

[solemn flame]

New Iron Horse speed time 15:57 by the XNX crew!!!

[rotund gate]

Will try LFG; am new here so my apology for bothering you guys. Many thanks of course for your valuable input Yueshi

[trail oriole]

With or without Moro skip? And DM me their POVs please. 😁

[thorny bison]

Is that playstation?

[verbal mist]

what you mean morosova skip ?

[lapis swift]

is there a weekly reset for raids or can you do it multiple times within a week?

with loot?

[icy hull]

Weekly reset for key boxes and special boss drops only, but can do raid unlimited times a week

Last boss always drops key though.

[surreal arrow]

If you have multiple characters you can get the loot/All keys up to 4 times a week (once per character)

[twin notch]

yes

[solemn flame]

Yes

[tender hollow]

Thanks for the help in the raid guys. I collected all the parts of the pistol for the first time yesterday 😅😅😅😅😅😅

[icy hull]

@warm urchin@wooden rivet wrong channel, please use the LFG raid channel.

[raven widget]

what should i do/get in order to do a raid. played this game for a while but mnever done raids b4

[dim wharf]

Get yourself a red build with roughly +50% CHC and +150% CHD. Just keep an eye out in the lfg channel for someone saying LF(x) (looking for x number of players) RV(x) (raid voice channel x) DH (dark hours)/IH (iron horse). When you see a group with open spots just jump in and ask who you need to add, then add them on uplay. Make sure your name in the discord channel matches uplay. Let people know your new so they can explain what you need to do and what your role is for each boss. Most people have no issues walking people through for the first time as long as your upfront about it.

[vagrant wing]

hmmm, took longer to copy paste this time. I'd expect you become better at it by now 😛

[elder sedge]

What are some good ar's that can deal good damage to razorback?

I know the aug and sig 556 are good but don't have them

And what good one can i craft?

[tawdry widget]

Famas 2010, with Fast Hands (can be crafted)

[near ginkgo]

any specific group chat or room to find console players for raid?

[tender hollow]

^ #lfg-raid-pc as you are on PC. You will only see it, if you pick PC as the server role in #557396261662097409

[elder sedge]

How good damage does it do to razorback? Normally with a carbine 7, vigilance and fox prayers i can destroy half a weakpoint in one phase without the ravenous buff

Oh forgot to mention its for my hardcore build. Just need the right weapons to 5 phase razorback

[tawdry widget]

You won’t notice a night and day difference, but numbers are numbers and Famas has higher damage numbers, paired with the RPM and Fast Hands, it will have a higher damage.

With that said, with a Ravenous + Gunslinger + D50 you can destroy a weakpoint faster than any AR

Ah... hardcore... well, in that case, I’d prioritize not getting killed above having the highest damage AR. There’s a lot more nuances.

Depends if you’re using any blue cores, what talent on chest and even what’s the team like

[elder sedge]

On hardcore i'd love to run glass cannon but a single mistake can result in death. The team is good and we can normally open up the front 2nd phase.

All reds and no blues. I'd be using an assault rifle and mk17 or another rifle

[tawdry widget]

Maybe a shield + in-sync is a good option, and demolitionist to have a free pass if a grenadier from the other side of the map flies in your direction.

Will all the team be on hardcore chars?

[elder sedge]

||no|| free hardcore carry

Shield would be nice but i'll need a healing skill when i take damage

[verbal mist]

I ran 4 piece future and 2 gila all rolled with blues. ran foam and revive went very smooth with 5 HC chars in a row .

i did run the future chest and just rolled a blue on it. I had a tip build and when i came in at razor I just put it on and made them wait until i was full of demo ammo. Then yeet

[upper beacon]

I'm new to the game. What is a raid and which can I do now that I have finished the campaign once and don't have the dlc?

I wish there was like a proper faq or walkthrough with all this informations

Please ping me a reply if you answer my question, thank you 🙂

[solemn flame]

I believe there are guides in the pinned spreadsheet in #td2-build-advice

[gusty willow]

Get some gear and put a decent dps build first then join a raid
Edit: yeah without dlc you wont have fun time in a raid

[upper beacon]

oh 😦 that sucks

Guess I'll do some black tusk shit then

[fluid pier]

You could still theoretically do the raid. You just won’t particularly enjoy the experience (probably) because it’s not exactly meant for lower level gear.

[upper beacon]

Yeah, thank you for answering.

I guess i'll buy the dlc when I can

[quartz star]

I only need to obtain the RKS radio carrier, can that be found on discovery or do I have to take part in the normal raid to find it?

[signal basin]

Normal

[tender hollow]

Is it just me or is ih way harder then dh

[vocal sand]

Question on the meta raid dps build. If you're using AR and not rifles, is Fox's prayer still the most optimal choice of kneepads instead of like fenris 1 pc for AR damage?

[opaque vigil]

Hey Pika, about the guy with glass cannon

was he mostly dying in cover or was he charging in and getting clapped?

[orchid hawk]

No idea.

It was during Fieser, I was on Alpha Deep, he was on Bravo somewhere.

[opaque vigil]

because I've noticed a lot of other fellow new players thinking something like "I've got GC on, I'm gonna get downed anyway so I'm just going to charge in and do a lot of dps"

[orchid hawk]

Thing is, he wasn't new.

Was a level 3,000+ if I recall correctly, I'm sitting at 391 and didn't have an issue.

That's one of my pet peeves too, high levels always see my level and think I've never ran a raid before, gets seriously annoying.

[opaque vigil]

I'm probably not gonna bother with raiding until I max my watch stats out

[muted horizon]

that's super not necessary.

SHD watch stats are nice buffs, but not mandatory to any particular build.

[opaque vigil]

I know, it's a personal signifier, something I want to achieve before I do

I want to see the numbers go up, and the card get filled before I move on to the next thing

[muted horizon]

I mean, you do you, but it's a long-ass grind to get to 999 first.

[opaque vigil]

I'm kinda playing the game like a slow mmo, it's fun for now

Look, i'm not trying to contradict you or anything or tell you that isn't the optimal way to play or that it's wrong or anything. I'm genuinely not

[muted horizon]

It's honestly just shocking to find someone else who plays div2 like that, ya know, slowly.

I'm a 99% solo player myself, the game super isn't designed for it, I'll tell you that much.

think you read the room wrong there lol

[opaque vigil]

I just wanted to be absolutely clear because this is discord, people generally read way into things, grudges start to form and before you know it the passive back and forth snipes go on for months until something explodes

I really don't want to go anywhere near that

[muted horizon]

If I started to hold actual grudges on people, I would barely talk to anyone in this server, it's all good.

god, some of the people that are gone now. This place is chill, comparatively.

[paper charm]

Fieser (in the traditional way) does not require a lot of damage on any A/B/C position, but add control and survivability, which is not necessarily achieved by pure DPS (e.g. a skill build can be feasible on B, even for fast non Negotiator’s). And the difficulty of add control at B is not comparable with A (unless you run super slowly, B tend to have a screen that has to be read while the NPC spaws from the door next to it). Putting even highly experienced players on B with a Glass Cannon DPS can end quite disastrously.

[orchid hawk]

I mean, your correct, but also not correct, at least not in the way I run my raids. Alpha, Bravo and Charlie shouldn't even be thinking about Fieser untill it's time to pile up and kill the little shit, other then that their focus should be 100% on water, box's, screens, communication and add control.

I've seen people use skill builds on Alpha, Bravo, and Charlie Deep, sometimes it ends well, sometimes it doesn't.

The reason being is because if you get rushed, you are pretty much fucked, and you will get rushed. The same can be said about glass cannon though.

I was getting absolutely hammered with adds over at Deep Alpha and absolutely had zero issues - the add spawns aren't selective they are randomized from my knowledge.

That being said, I'm not saying glass cannon is the best to use, it's the exact opposite, but for me it works wonders on nearly every area of a raid, minus a few select positions.

Even with that said, if a player doesn't know how to use glass cannon, go play missions untill they know how - don't make the rest of the team suffer because they don't know how to run Glass cannon.

[paper charm]

I think you are reading too much into what I wrote. Usually the raids I am referring to are with proficient players wo can play Glass Cannon quite well, and may opt for a skill build regardless. Not players only coming in with a skill build. Skill build on B also serves other functions, e.g. it can be the person that overcharges.

[orchid hawk]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[paper charm]

Also, some people run a Glass Cannon skill build 😉

[orchid hawk]

I used to be one of them.

[tender hollow]

Have run a skill build with assault turret/stinger hive and tamper proof on B in Boss 2 about 10 times. Its hilarious.

[rough locust]

Shock trap works as well on keeping ad control

[tranquil sigil]

The important on Boomer is adds • Doors: 40. 43. 44 and Burger & Dounats, stay in this posistions.
Computers A. B. C. D-ouglas.

[short pond]

Hello 👋

[fluid pier]

You’re better off with the fox’s prayer regardless of it being an AR or rifle focused build.

[elder sedge]

If im at razorback before reset and stay there afterwards do i keep the checkpoint?

[dim wharf]

It will be reset

[elder sedge]

Well rip, was needing it for next Friday anyways

But i can do a fresh

[orchid hawk]

It's super easy to do with a good team, I run dozens of raids a week and their all fairly easily, just gotta find good teams.

[dawn river]

can someone hel me through dark hours

[long sky]

@dawn river #lfg-raid-pc

Lol ok you found it

[elder sedge]

😂😂 too lazy to complete the entire raid if we just need to carry a few through razorback

[orchid hawk]

Fair enough haha.

[agile quiver]

Anyone doing dh

[thorny bison]

Doing the whole raid gives the opportunity for them to get drops from bosses (very rare I know). It also (more importantly) gives them an opportunity to get more comfortable so the raids become less of a chore.

[crystal holly]

Hi, its possible to get bulwark chest or backpack on discovery ?

[hot jolt]

Nope, only on normal

[crystal holly]

tnx

[dire lintel]

is ih hard and do ppl accept newbies? newbie to raid here

[split dust]

its the harder one between dh and ih but not that hard tbh. just takes longer to complete and requires some knowledge. people take new raiders all the time just watch some guides to have some idea of what to expect, have a raid ready dps build(50chc 150chd minimum) and you should be good to go

[dire lintel]

is there any specific weapon/talents/skills i need to use?

[split dust]

for a new raider, i personally would suggest running unbreakable on the chest to help with surviving but you can also run something like obliterate or glass cannon. backpack is almost always vigilance for the %25 damage buff. For the weapon talent you'll be using an ar so most common ones used for raiding are in sync, optimist, measured and strained

there is room for personal preference

[elder sedge]

How tough is lvl 30 razorback being upscaled to lvl 40? Lets say most overwatches are running one shot builds then theres me being carried

[tawdry widget]

If they're using one shot builds it means they know what they're doing, you'll be fine in one of the circles, throwing/shooting the grenade or the arrow and avoiding being killed. It should be a breeze

[elder sedge]

Yeah but how much damage will i take if i get hit by accident?

[tender stag]

depends on what you get hit by

[elder sedge]

Elite enemy

[ornate tiger]

how nuch damage do u get if u get hit by a guy called @cold elm ?

[zealous yoke]

When can we do a raid?

wt 5 with 440sc can do it or need higher?

[tawdry widget]

Sorry, I'm not sure if I follow, it will be your first run? If the team is competent (and if most people on overwatch is using 1 shot builds, I'd assume it is) you'll only have to be afraid of the rockets Razorback itself throws at the end of each phase, when the sirens start. To counter that, you can either run and roll out of the red circles of the explosions or take cover behind the truck in the back and the consoles in the front. Also, if it's your first run, watch a few youtube videos explaining the encounters so you know what to expect. Completing both Dark Hours and Iron Horse, at this point, is quite trivial, especially with a team full of one shot builds.

[solemn flame]

We carried a level 30 with a horrible build (single gear set pieces) and we just did slow plates and all was fine. Also only 1 or2 one shot builds. You’ll be fine.

[elder sedge]

Pretty sure you'll immediately understand me after i say i wanna do it on hardcore

[tawdry widget]

Ah... right...

You'll still be fine. It was sweaty with a team of 8 in HC back in the day, now it's fine

[long sky]

@ornate tiger ooooooh that could be a 1 hitter quitter

🤣

[ornate tiger]

I seems so

[tender stag]

if you get hit by a shotgunner you might get 1 shot

[trail oriole]

@dire lintel This, but skip glass cannon until you know what's up.

[long sky]

unbreakable free life

[trail oriole]

I personally find it to be a cop out, but whatever works for a FTC. 🤷‍♂️

[long sky]

yeah but i like being a nice big bullet sponge lol

might have to try a sacrifice

got 5

[trail oriole]

Do itttt. You'll be the new @kindred dome Floor Manager. 😏

[long sky]

got 2 that are perfect and god rolled

[trail oriole]

PGC regulus builds are 😍. I do recommend.

[long sky]

i would likto try it once

[round pivot]

Will there be a well-coordinated team that will take me to DH to drop EB?

[muted horizon]

There certainly will be, over in #lfg-raid-pc
gl Agent

[strong barn]

Do you still have to do IH to get the bulwark chest and backpack?

[icy hull]

Yes

[verbal urchin]

Anyone looking for two extra dps builds?

[last ibex]

Anyone here in cluster raids disc?

[drifting wedge]

i can craft it tho

IH gives u the blueprint i believe

[solemn flame]

completing the donation projects gives you the blueprints.

[drifting wedge]

gotcha thx buddha

[short pond]

Hello guys and girls! Can you tell me the best DPS build for raids

[tender hollow]

50% critical hit chance
150% critical hit damage minimum
most assault rifles work, carbine 7/famas/fal preferred, with damage talent

chest talent as obliterate/glass cannon, unbreakable if you die easily

vigilance as backpack talent

[drifting wedge]

check the FMJ (Full Meta Jacket) in the spreadsheet

[strong barn]

I completed the IH last night, but did not get the blue print to craft the backpack or the chest piece

[swift peak]

you get a project, you have to donate items to complete it and get the blueprints

(also, it has to be done on Normal difficulty)

[strong barn]

gotcha, so looks like I need to run the raid a second time then, i need a back to donate

[swift peak]

you won't get boss loot the second time in the same week (unless you use an alt character) so you'll need to ask the other players if they can drop one for you

[drifting wedge]

yea

[covert spruce]

hello

[solemn flame]

many raids for charity!!!

[twilit spade]

is ravenous a rather rare drop?

[solemn flame]

I believe it's like the eagle, but only from iron horse, 1% chance from a boss, 10% chance from the crate at the end.

[twilit spade]

Yeah back in the day I did IH numerous times only saw it drop 3 times and lost the roll all 3 times

[gritty phoenix]

whats the sweetspot for cc and cd?

[trail oriole]

60% chc 150+ chd

[icy hull]

^^ That's the min but not the sweet spot. Sweet spot is 60 chc and ~180 chd

[karmic knot]

I don’t have min maxed gear and I’m rather low shd, is chc52ish and chd 120 good for a first time raider?

[normal mirage]

honestly, it's fine. You don't need 60% chc to do the raid. Paying attention and listening skills are just as important.

[tender hollow]

^ If your new, having a decent crit damage dps build helps both you and the team. It doesn't need to be optimal, but if you have made zero effort and a couple of others also rock up who have made zero effort, be ready for a 4 hour mess.

For those that have done the raids many times, all sorts of builds are used, but that is only because if it turns into a mess, we can always fall back on a crit damage dps build.

[drifting wedge]

it is however ravenous seems to drop alot more in my raids

i haven’t pulled the eagle in ages

after many failed attempts i got it out of the box yesterday

[strange idol]

I haven’t pulled any exotics in ages! My RNG is rubbish!

[drifting wedge]

lol now yk how i feel

i could never pull the EB out of my own box

but yesterday i finally pulled it out of there

[strange idol]

With regards to crit too. 50% is fine. Most teams will have 1 or coyote masks to make up for the reduced CHC. Personally I don’t look at CHC / CHD, I’ll inspect a build and if it looks ok (mainly red with sensible talents) I’ll take a person through. I do raid with a solid 7 however.

[strange idol]

Nice! GG’s

[drifting wedge]

wow

[elder sedge]

What are the new strats for dark hours? Might starting leading them

[thorny bison]

Speed or casual?

[elder sedge]

Both

Double down boomer, 7,1 on weasel and burning buddy and lucy in the middle

[verbal mist]

7 and 1 on weasel isn’t a new strat and frankly it’s not a good strat . Go 4 and 4 or kiters and healer on a , kill in the switch on orange

[dim wharf]

4/4 is way older than 7/1. I've always thought 4/4 was better but a large chunk of people only know 7/1 at this point. Your second suggestion is just 7/1 but with 1 less dps.

[dim wharf]

Check out ItsAstro on YouTube and his method behind the madness series.

[verbal mist]

I understand that . With most of today’s raiders at least one of those would have a hs pistol build and smack him for half armor . It just makes the fight faster and easier fighting 1 rather than fighting two . If a side can get the boss down to health it’s just smoother

[thorny bison]

Yeah 4 4 with a healer is goated. If you don't have enough damage on a side just flip the gas a couple times. Healer overcharges when the plane goes up

[long sky]

Afternoon Raucey and surfer

[verbal mist]

sup saph

[steep kettle]

Do you do dh and ih Leader Training

[long sky]

best way to learn a raid is to do it over and over and get comfortable w/ the mechanics. At that point your ready to begin host or lead a raid

hardest part of leading a raid is settting/ designating roles

i would start hosting the DH raid and then move up to the IH raid

[dry laurel]

Best way is to watch raid tutorial videos from youtube, downloaded floor diagrams and made notes on the process of completion. Then on discord you already have the knowledge and builds to perform.

[thorny bison]

What platform?

[dreamy zealot]

Are there rules for setting up a raid? like do mods invite you to raid channels or can you just set one up yourself?

[hot jolt]

you have the option of hopping in a raid voice channel (if a raid's being hosted there), hosting one yourself is another one

no need to wait until someone invites you, just enter the rv (since it's first come, first serve most of the time)

[wraith merlin]

Hello, im new to raids contents. Is Perfect Glass Cannon + Vigilance and Coyote's Mask good enough for normal dps build? ( 60 chc and 150 chd)

[tawdry widget]

yes

[elder sedge]

For a FI jammer build can I replace the attributes with skill haste and also use capacitor for the skill damage?

Build is capacitor, 4pc FI with chest piece, perfectly calculated and btsu gloves with skill haste rolled onto FI pieces

[gusty willow]

you can but I'm gonna assume you think HW not FI. you need 90% skill damage regardless how you get that together

[elder sedge]

Nah FI cause of the dmg buff to group.
Skill damage coming from capacitor (60% at full stack), 10% from backpack and 25? from FI dmg buff

Edit cause I accidentally wrote wrong number for max capacitor stacks

[vagrant wing]

you will really struggle with the pulse cd

[gusty willow]

not worth it because you won't be ready for second jam at that point + if you have decent team you truly don't need FI

[vagrant wing]

best not to try and re invent the wheel

[elder sedge]

What the cooldown on jammer?

And wont calculated work?

[gusty willow]

it won't because it works WHEN skill is ON COOLDOWN. problem is that when you pulse it takes second or 2 before it gets on cooldown making calculated useless because it won't give you any benefit.

[vagrant wing]

depends on the team and if they're using a Rav. 2-3 Rav players will force you to jamm every 6-7 s ish (or even 4-5 if they're decent)

if you gonna use (perfect) calculated - you need a base cooldown of 11 s or lower ish

[gusty willow]

I love this kind of conversation. usually gives me dumb build ideas. thanks dudes

[elder sedge]

Going off this logic isn't HW also useless cause of the 10 second wait?

[vagrant wing]

no. the last wave takes a bit longer

[elder sedge]

So basically 2 seconds worth of destroying drones is gone?

[elder sedge]

I mean... you can try it out rn if you find a group. night for me and ain't near ps5

[gusty willow]

can't dude, sitting at work in the middle of the night. gonna have to wait till tomorrow(I mean techically today lmao) 😉

[gusty willow]

unfortunately yeah, it's rather unfortunate that that talent isn't that useful. i mean it still has uses but it could be so much better

[elder sedge]

Enjoy working security and make sure to lock all the doors 😉

[elder sedge]

Only talent i seen FI jammer players use

[dim wharf]

This is where the red FI comes into play, and you still have your standard HW jammer

[elder sedge]

A bit tough farming for those reds 😅

[dim wharf]

Only the chest is really a pain, which your best bet is just getting through mass crafting. Others can be farmed like normal

[elder sedge]

Then i assume you'd still run the fox prayers and what about backpack? Perfect vigilance or grupo or other brand?

[dim wharf]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?noteGuid=70af140b-e02a-3063-146c-9f9cd59a7b93&noteKey=27cb6d49ef882371aefe113335a76003&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F70af140b-e02a-3063-146c-9f9cd59a7b93%2F27cb6d49ef882371aefe113335a76003&title=Red%2BFuture%2BInitiative%2B%2B%2528TU12%2529

[ornate spire]

What’s the benefit of doing raids ?

[signal basin]

Exotics, gearsets, fun

[vagrant wing]

• fun, exotics, gearsets 😉

[thorny bison]

You can run FI drones and pulse first, then shoot the bow. That fixes the cooldown issue. However (as stated) red FI and HW drones with overwatch is better.

[gentle kite]

Anyone running a raid?

[valid marlin]

Check #lfg-raid-pc

[long sky]

Hey isabel

[valid marlin]

Hey Saph

[west spruce]

FI jammer can work, I run one with both named items from Empress (perfectly skilled and perfectly calculated). The challenge is that you might be at the mercy of Skilled talent proccing for 2nd wave sometimes(Calculated will work, but it's 10% of existing cooldown per drone kill so it's not linear but logarithmic), but you can kind of circumvent this by jamming the first wave before crossbow-ing the grill (delaying the razorback rise so you have more breathing room for your cooldown).

[icy hull]

@inland solar no self promoting, sorry. please read the #rules

[inland solar]

haha okey sorry... i did not know

[solemn flame]

Have you looked in #lfg-raid-console?

[eager pasture]

quick raid question, regarding the Iron horse raid would an aces and eights build be better or and EB dps/tank build

cause when i run aces and eights i used SVD and nemesis

i know it usually depends on the group but if i was going LFG it and wasnt sure if they had a support set like that in the group?

[warm wren]

Neither, really

[dim wharf]

This is an old raid build from pre-wony. Aces got reworked, so the build you ideally want now is a full crit build. Ideally get to +50% chc, +150% chd.

[eager pasture]

thanks @dim wharf

@warm wren hmu with what you would suggest

[warm wren]

Check the spreadsheet, its under the hub tab named full meta jacket

[eager pasture]

i just got that from someone good to know thats raid worthy im super close with it

[warm wren]

Yea, its the best for just general stuff. It can do pretty much everything in the game if you use it well

[tall shell]

I can’t find the full meta jacket tab unless I’m blind

[solemn flame]

Hub “tab” on spreadsheet

[tall shell]

@solemn flame could you please send me a link to it because I am blind 😅

[solemn flame]

If your on your phone, go to #td2-build-advice and swipe left to see pinned items. If on pc, go to #td2-build-advice and look in the upper right corner for pinned items. Click on spreadsheet, click hub tab.

[swift peak]

https://imgur.com/a/GUqPU7b

[tall shell]

@solemn flame @swift peak thank you

[hard heart]

Lfg for IH run msg me on psn cachito84

[inner leaf]

Hi

need 3rb 🤗

[lyric plinth]

Skill builds in raids opinions

[solemn flame]

not optimal in all phases. they can work in certain situations, or if your team is trying do do it with all skill builds. but, full red dps build is preferred. excluding the healer of course.

[lyric plinth]

Okay thank you

Is bighorn actually good for the raid because I see people going for it a lot

[solemn flame]

must not have done many raids, because I rarely see anyone use it in the raid. famas, AKM, police M4 for AR's, classic M1A, M1A CQB, bakers for rifles

[lyric plinth]

I have indeed not done many but I see people grinding for it a lot

[solemn flame]

grinding for it, and using it in the raid are 2 different things. mine has been in the stash since I got it over a year and a half ago...

[serene oasis]

might be a stupid question but if I just need initiative chest, can sm1 with the blueprints not just craft it and drop it?

[solemn flame]

crafted items cannot be shared

[serene oasis]

thought not

[solemn flame]

and neither can purchased items

[serene oasis]

just can't be fucked getting this thing

stupid project

for regulus

[solemn flame]

can only come from iron horse raid I'm afraid...

[serene oasis]

ofc

[solemn flame]

Try to run one directly after the tuesday reset, that way others may get it to drop for them (only get them from bosses on fresh run) and they can share it then. or if they get it from the crate at the end on any run.

[rough locust]

I used Bighorn when I did my very first DH and IH - didn't really know about the other, better ARs until people told me about them (Famas and Carbine-7 come to mind)

[long sky]

Look for the BURNOUT in the Famas

[rough locust]

With Braced on the chest, it becomes a laser beam

[barren knoll]

braced makes every weapon a laser beam 🙂

[rough locust]

The Burnout even more so - eapecially after reloading!

[barren knoll]

overkill imo, if you have burnout, you can go with more damage on chest.

[rough locust]

No kill like overkill - plus having next to zero is amazing - especially with a scope on! Makes the weapon feel like a full auto sniper haha

[barren knoll]

i actually prefer more damage and a bit of recoil

i run normal FAMAS with Fast hands, but im on a mouse and keyboard so its easier for me vs console

[rough locust]

Lucky for some haha

[cold elm]

If anyone starts seeing red hardwired builds please shut that down immediately

[tawdry widget]

hmm?

we're here for you, tell us all about your troubles with red hardwired builds and why they distress you

[dry laurel]

I've seen future initiative Red builds. But never seen a Red hard wired build...is that some PvP build to spam firefly blind

[dawn rune]

anyone doing raids?

[tawdry widget]

check #lfg-raid-pc this one is #td2-raid-discussions

[solemn flame]

Why?

[tender hollow]

Anyone want to help me and my friends thorugh the raid tomorrow we are new to it so dont go to hard on us please 5 players needed

[long sky]

@tender hollow #lfg-raid-ps4

[astral rain]

where could i get eagle bearer i cant remember the name of the raid

[fluid pier]

No, it's good for razorback.

[frosty blaze]

Dark Hours

[muted horizon]

remember: has to be "Normal" Dark Hours, Discovery does not work.

[elfin berry]

hi guys. Thanks for you I have almost finished the regulus project. I am in the finished phase where i have to collect the parts for blueprint. I made that on Friday. Shall I wait for weekly refresh, or just get through 1 time with a team and collect today? Or I have to do reset on raid menu, and go through today ? Your advises are welcome. Thank you.

[hot jolt]

You have to wait for the weekly reset for the parts to drop from the bosses (the 5th part drops from the chest, but that's the only one you can get without waiting)

[elfin berry]

Thank you your answer.

[elder sedge]

Regulus can drop as an exotic in IH??!

Red on hardwired? Isn't it for skill builds and not dps? 🤔

[tawdry widget]

It can, it has a low drop rate but it can

[tawdry widget]

Jammer only needs skill tiers for range, to kill the drones you need the same skill damage as with a full yellow build, so you can run Hardwire with Weapon Damage cores, plus Dodge City Holster, Ravenous and D50. It can handle both the drones and a weakpoint, plus kill a charging npc if it comes to that.

[signal basin]

Once you’ve acquired it through the project, yes

[elder sedge]

Thought it could only be crafted?

[signal basin]

It needs to be crafted first, yes. After you do that, that character can have it drop from the IH raid only.

[rough locust]

You can also copy it across to multiple characters

[deft orbit]

Please guide me what is RV(number)

[long sky]

Raid voice

[deft orbit]

the number?

ohhh

okie

[devout plank]

Anyone doing the IH raid in a hour or so? Returning player

[swift peak]

#lfg-raid-console

[devout plank]

Thanks

[solemn flame]

I wish people would just say if they've only done iron horse twice and not act like they know everything......

[long sky]

Or just admit they don't know,sigh,but they won't cause thier pride gets in the way

[vocal sand]

For raids, generally how many Tanks/Healers/CC/DPS of each do you need in a group of 8? my group is trying to do the raid blind and want a general idea of what we should bring before attempting.

[solemn flame]

which raid?

[vocal sand]

We are going to attempt both, but start with the one that came out first

[solemn flame]

wow, kinda depends on which strategy your gonna use on each boss. I would recommend watching some youtube videos maybe. Dark Hours is basically a DPS check, so it can be done with 8 DPS builds, but a drone killer (4 piece Hard Wired with BTSU gloves and Wyvern chest, all skill damage and skill haste, with jammer pulse to kill drones and heal hive for overcharge and getting the jammer back fast) on razorback is recommended. Good Luck!

[vocal sand]

Thank you! in all the games we play, we generally attempt each raid blind without any spoiler but at least prepare general builds ahead of time so were not struggling too much

[faint dragon]

Hello can you help me how to matchmake raid in normal difficulty

[signal basin]

You can’t

[faint dragon]

Hello guys I want to join a raid now

I want to join a raid in normal difficulty so that to get eagle bearer

Can you guys help me to get the please

[signal basin]

#lfg-raid-ps

[dry laurel]

So true. I wish new players make the effort to learn the raid mechanics from online resources such as YouTube/Reddit, really make the effort instead of spending weeks shouting "help get me EB" 10 times a day then disappear after they get what I want. Raid leaders will have the confidence on motivated players who made the effort.

[frosty blaze]

I've never done discovery, only normals the entire time. How different is it compared to normal?

[drifting wedge]

it’s just easier to clear as u can matchmake but u wont benefit from it

[frosty blaze]

ah so just a no-loot, ffa experience

[drifting wedge]

basically

good for learning the raid tho

[swift peak]

weaker enemies and fewer mechanics too

[drifting wedge]

this ^^

[pearl hemlock]

My personal opinion is that discovery raids are a waste and a bad idea. It tends to instill bad habits in new players that then have to be unlearned. But that is just my opinion on them

[solemn flame]

Discovery raids can be fun to try with less people, like 4 or even 2 people (dark hours). Other than that, they’re not worth the time….

[drifting wedge]

yea sure no question about that

[pearl hemlock]

I can see an experienced group doing it for the lols

[drifting wedge]

id be down to do a discovery raid and just mess around

also because i need to learn how to drone kill

[pearl hemlock]

However for new raiders I would prefer to take an FTC that has never seen it to one that has done a ton of discovery raids

I had someone quit at boomer cause they said I have this computer. And when they couldn’t get the computer to work and we wiped they quit

[drifting wedge]

i see

btw dragon

i wanted to thank u for teaching me about fast plates

allowed for my team to dps razorback quickly

[pearl hemlock]

Best way to do RB

Unless of course you are speed running and can 1 phase it lol

[drifting wedge]

since our overwatches were kinda new at first after raiding with them couple of times we did fast plates

at first it was my first run with them

took us a while but once they got comfortable with fast plates it was easy

[drifting wedge]

it technically was a speedrun

we got up to buddy and lucy 20mins into the raid

finished in 48 mins

[pearl hemlock]

48 mins is more of a casual run

[thorny bison]

Typically i put the stronger players on Overwatch so that all the plate person has to do is help on ads then get RB open

In xbox language I'd put the stronger player on ads so all the gen person has to do is help with ads and get RB open

[pearl hemlock]

The team I run with does the same as this new people go on plates

If needed we can open RB from the OW positions

[thorny bison]

Facts

[pearl hemlock]

Yea just takes a little longer but nothing a good squad can’t overcome except maybe pulling a lvl 1 with white gear lmao

But we haven’t tried that yet

[tawdry widget]

Speedrun = 48 minutes? If you'd have finished at 20 minutes it still would've just been an efficient, no fuss, run. Not hating, just saying

[thorny bison]

Challenge accepted 🤣

[thorny bison]

They'd probably die from fall damage jumping out the window lol

[thorny bison]

It all depends on if you got keys

[tawdry widget]

25 with keys 😁

[pearl hemlock]

Yea I have done it in sub 30 with keys

[tawdry widget]

It just depends if everyone knows what they're doing, again, I'm not hating, 48 minute runs are fine, I'm only saying that even 20 minutes aren't speed runs

[pearl hemlock]

This

48 mins are a nice casual run with explanations

Think my fastest is just over 20 mins and a few seconds and that wasn’t a true speed run we just ran through it and used some techniques from speed run groups

True speed runs take less than 10-15 mins

Watched a group running IH in about 18 mins this morning

[tawdry widget]

When doing raids, there's a key difference between 8 players that all know what happens on every stage/position/spawn point, etc and 8 players where maybe half know and the other half only know a couple of spots but wouldn't be able to tell what's going on, or if something unexpected happens, know how to counter it.

Even not needing to assign anyone to any spot, people just either volunteering or adapting to what places are left, that's a big difference in how smooth everything goes and that's what eventually brings the times down even before 1 shots, etc.

[cursive knoll]

Do i have to have a mic to raid?

[still raven]

How can I get in a raid

[drifting wedge]

true but my overwatches did amazing keeping ads in control

killed boomer within like 10 seconds

[drifting wedge]

lol it felt like one

i was going for a flawless but we wiped on buddy and lucy

[drifting wedge]

ik and yea ur not wrong

[pearl hemlock]

We got some clan mates a flawless this past weekend

[faint dragon]

Hello there

[drifting wedge]

congratulations!

[drifting wedge]

hellow

[thorny bison]

My joke didn't translate. Some people think speed running is just going through the raid without grabbing keys

[thorny bison]

I think it's relative. We run through and often pull people in for their fastest time but it's casual for us. I think speedrunning is just going as fast as you can.