td2-raid-discussions

[harsh topaz]

will i be able to collect keys again if i play the same raid for a second time in the week?

[cobalt igloo]

No if you using same character.. yes if you using other character (different character doesnt share keys)

asking.. how do you stop fierser wipe mechanic (inside boss room) other than using gunslinger holster+D50??

[vagrant wing]

Put a red core or 2 on your build and use a high dps weapon

Adrenaline rush + intimidate helps too

[frigid hearth]

are there any "last boss only" raids on this channel?

[keen basin]

anykind bullet damage

[cobalt igloo]

i know but im using tank build.. 2 golan 1 bellstone 1 yahl roll on hazpro+armor regen

and you alone inside boss room.. isnt that obvious tho?

[keen basin]

then holster and d50 is your only choice

[cobalt igloo]

no other choice? allright ill keep on practice then

[keen basin]

sure, person in control room can enter smb from a or c to damage his canister

[cobalt igloo]

thats quite troublesome just to make sure that the tank stay alive

[fickle venture]

we tried it with true patriot as well

but still the damage had to come from a charged up pistol or help from the sides

not sure if there's any better way really

[dim wharf]

The other choice is intimidate+adrenaline rush with a couple red cores. Using dodge+d50 is a bit simpler though and allows you to run vanguard for the team.

[vagrant wing]

vanguard 😩

[tender hollow]

We should do a get-well card for lebo, react if you'd sign it

[swift folio]

👍

[tame sage]

Intimidate can help to break it just with ravenous and full 6 blue. Pair it with adrenaline rush and with some practice it would be enough to interrupt him.

[mortal bronze]

You can also try a better armor regen build that i also used for the end: 3 Gila, 2 Golan, 1 Belston ... hazard and armor regen, vanguard +adrenaline rush, 2 prot. elites and 1 burn resistance, demolitionist for ~25 burn resistance , cancel with Scorpio bcz you can also buff your team in the end ... later when you learn the timers when he want to wipe you can swap from scorpio to ravenous and than switch back fast ... plus some players would be happy when they get extra armor from you

[wispy silo]

What does kwtd stand for?

[tough trench]

I think its " Know what to do "

[wispy silo]

tks!

[tough trench]

Try rock n roll shotgun

[meager tiger]

I have yet to attempt a raid because of random disconnects I get while playing.

But I really need to. I want that eagle exotic assault rifle. I think it's the last exotic I need.

[vale raptor]

Yeah I’m just learning dh atm

I got a 55% chc and a 160% chd red build so I think I’m good

[sacred finch]

Hello, I need some advice for the Iron Horse boss 4 mortars under the train, is there like some kind of safe spot running against the wall between the sandbags and the wood panels. Our leader told us to that and we wont get hit cause he saw another team do it, with the difference it works with them but not with us 🤔 any idea

[wheat meteor]

the easiest thing to do is tell everyone not jump into the tunnel until the mortars sound for the carpet bomb, this way you bait the mortars outside of the tunnel (to your last known spot before you go in...and the other thing is if you have two shields you get people to line up either side of the tunnel wall in the event the mortars are landing centrally. you can't completely avoid them you unless you jump out of the tunnel while gun is spinning but you can at least mitigate the likelihood a little.

[brisk olive]

Is it still possible to do gingerbread merit in IH after killing morozova?

[signal basin]

Nope

[tender hollow]

like @wheat meteor posted. Wait until you hear mortars, pause 1 second, then run in. The tanks can go out before the gun stops shooting too, like the gun swipes 2 times, so you can start going out after the 1st swipe, as sometimes there is a mortar in the tunnel at the end of the 2nd swipe

[cunning night]

You can do it once you finish the raid. Just leave and start another raid, just don’t reset it. All gingerbreads are accessible. The only trouble one is the sniper nest one. You need to throw a grenade in the right spot as the gates are closed. I do it this way all the time for people

[brisk olive]

@cunning night thanks.

[elder sedge]

Anyone else use a sig mpx for raid?

Its ttk is much faster than other weapons although you can only kill one enemy in one mag and not multiple

[stiff zephyr]

There are 2 op guns for the raid Regulas and Classic M1A with rifleman, but if you can kill your assigned adds it doesn't really matter

[upper vigil]

how do I find people to raid with please? only ever done the first raid, I am a mute so unfortunately not able to use mic and such, just curious how I go about finding a team

[keen kettle]

come to rv1 and add me

[cold elm]

@upper vigil

[vague gulch]

go to #lfg-raid-pc channel

[fallen epoch]

Try to find a clan so you have a stable group of people to play (and do raid). Try #td2-clan-recruitment

[tough trench]

i do

[torn star]

what are the requirements for raids stats wise

[tough trench]

I'd say it depends of the raid leaders but if you have an all red build (best if vigilance on backpack) and a Crit Chance 50+ and Crit damage 130+ you should me more than fine to go.

[torn star]

thx

[elder sedge]

@tough trench what talents do you use?

Thinking of using intimidate or glass cannon adrenaline rush or vigilance in sync or strained

[verbal mist]

@elder sedge I’d use gc and vigilance

[shrewd bear]

I prefer a min 40% chc and 150 chd. We usually have 2 coyotes so that should at least get the chance up to max or near max. As for talents, chest can be glass/obliterate/spotter/focus/gun Slinger and backpack should be vigilance/companion for dps builds

[coral oxide]

can you change view on the raid leaderboards? i hold "R" but it does nothing?

[trail oriole]

There's an option to scroll to your position on the leaderboards, there's a selection for lv30 raids and one for lvl40 raids.
There's one for friends rankings, as well as separate boards for total completions (unfortunately 4th boss farms count), and one for times.

[coral oxide]

how do you show friends rankings?

[trail oriole]

I'm not at my PC, but it shows the options on the bottom right hand side iirc.

[pine zinc]

u have to be on a clan

[coral oxide]

that explains it, no clan and i cant change the leaderboard view option from ALL

[terse rock]

by chance I might have the possibility to do a raid can you invite me?

[gritty creek]

is anyone available for dark hour raid? i was looking to get eagle bearer AR.

Also i dnt have a clan

[valid marlin]

Use #lfg-raid-pc

[valid marlin]

Check #td2-clan-recruitment

[gritty creek]

cool thnx

[tired oracle]

I was looking to get the chest/backpack pieces of Foundry and was told I can only get them on the Iron Horse Raid.... But it needs to be on NORMAL difficulty rather then DISCOVERY.... Is this true or can I just join regular Matchmaking on the Map for raids?

[royal ridge]

Im up4a raid or 2

[signal basin]

Yes. Keys and both chests and backpacks must be obtained on Normal difficulty.

[valid marlin]

Use #lfg-raid-console

[weary ermine]

Anyone knows the solution for 3rd phase iron horse glitch... after we killed the boss, we got the key to insert in on the top (emergency shut down) after I input the key... nothing showed below on red,yellow, and blue screen. We tried switching role and still nothing show on the screen to prevent the explosion. Does this happen to you guys? We cant proceed and we tried it so many time (6 to be exactly)

[fluid pier]

You were able to input the key into the console upstairs or did you get the key and was not able to input it into the console upstairs?

[weary ermine]

I got the key and I was able to insert it.

[elder sedge]

Why are people obsessed with wanting to one tap boss 2 on iron horse?

[twin junco]

@weary ermine How much time did you have left on the counter? Maybe the seconds left were not enough to activate the emergency shutdown? I am thinking if there are other criteria that could cause the problem. But even if one of the valve wheels had not been turned all the way open or closed, the explosion would have occurred much sooner, I think.

[weary ermine]

10 seconds... i was able to put key twice.

Ive done iron horse a lot of times and mostly I am the one who put the keys.

[tired oracle]

Is there a specific SHD level ya need to be to be accepted into a group to run? Or are there groups that can carry a new player? Or does everyone need to be SHD Level 4,000 and tricked out with exotic gear? 😦

(Because I've been hoping to find a group that could carry a noob)

[spring prism]

there shouldnt be a required shd level to run a raid. as long as you have a dps build just hop in to a vc and ask if its ok fo you to join (specify that you are new). most people will be willing to teach you the raid, but osme wont be, so just ask and youll find your group. i also recommend watching (or reading) newer guides on the raid before joining your first that way you have an idea on what to do already.

i did my first raid at shd level 70 so you should be fine

[tired oracle]

I mean I've been farming on Heroic - Legendary on Summit, is Iron Horse more difficult then that?

(Also, where exactly would the Armor/Backpack from Foundry drop? I've been hearing conflicting things about it other then "when you first play normal, they are guaranteed to drop for the first time you play through.)

[spring prism]

of course it is. its a raid. also, the backpack and chestpiece for foundry bulwark and future initiative are random drops, so its really rng dependant. but you need them to complete projects and after that you can craft them. so just ask in the raid and tell tehm you need the pieces for the project and theyll drop it for you

[fickle venture]

it's harder until you know what you do, otherwise the mobs are not that much over heroic

[fluid pier]

Hm interesting. I was thinking perhaps you weren’t even able to insert it but I guess that isn’t the case. Was that the only time this specific bug has occurred to you while doing boss 3 of IH? Or has it happened to you on other raid sessions as well?

[stone lotus]

We've had that happen to us a couple of times. Key goes in upstairs, but none of the consoles are able to be interacted with downstairs. We just broke group and reformed the raid. Traveled to checkpoint to pick up where we left off. But it has happened to us on a couple different sessions.

[deft karma]

xbox raid anyone?

[swift peak]

#lfg-raid-xb1

[weary ermine]

We tried that and still failed ;(. Notnsure if coincidence that we tried no one will use exotic weapon and not sure if its coincidence. Im looking for a right/perma solution. It just annoying that we have to try several times and inserting the keybis like RNG if it will work or not.

[dim wharf]

Are you sure you had all the valves done correctly?

[fluid pier]

That's what I thought too but he said he was able to input the key into the console but just couldn't reset the diags (pretty sure you can't even input the key into the console if alphabets aren't done). So that's probably not the case unless he remembered the situation wrong.

[signal basin]

Also make sure it’s the right computer. I did the one for the pipes by mistake once

[rich perch]

hey, i plan to join my first raid, what should I do/ need to know

[muted horizon]

First thing to do is get a crit dps build set up. The one pinned in the spreadsheet over in #td2-build-advice called "Full Meta Jacket" is a very simple one.
you're probs gonna be going for Dark Hours first, that'll help you pull your weight.

[granite cairn]

Check out #td2-raid-discussions message

[trail girder]

can i get the regulus exotic pieces if i already did the raid this week?

[magic fulcrum]

No

[trail girder]

☹️

[nova stone]

Hi guys

Any raids i want join

[twin junco]

@dim wharf@fluid pier I had also thought that maybe the valves were not set properly. At least in Discovery, you get to the displays and then the tower explodes (if I remember this correctly, it's been a long time since that happened to us). Probably the tower should explode sooner in Normal mode if the valves weren't done right.
@weary ermine I haven't heard of this problem otherwise. Have you tried starting a new raid and then having someone else do the tower (your position) from the beginning? [Edit: Yes, you do, you said this before. Hmm then I don't know what to change to prevent this problem. Sorry!]

[weary ermine]

Like I said. Me and my friends have done it several times. We dont have this problem before, we run it smoothly.

@signal basin yes.... im 100% sure im on a right computer where it says "emergency shutdown".

[weary ermine]

Thanks man, ive encounter this before with randoms but rarely.... not like mine that the key works RNG 🤦‍♂️

[gritty zinc]

Hello guys ! Quick question, can i go in normal raid with more or less 3M DPS on the range ?

[weary ermine]

Thanks everyone for the answer... just ping me if anyone find a solution or encounter this weird key thing

[stiff zephyr]

If your using an ar like you really should, just aim for 55chc and 150+chd

[gritty zinc]

Currently I'm at 52% CHC and 114% CHD, and I have coyote after that.

[tender hollow]

@gritty zinc using certain combinations of branded gear helps to boost chc and chd a lot.
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s332/client/snv?noteGuid=17a0ac12-60c8-482a-8195-20f295b79518&noteKey=3b2c6e34ee648b82&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs332%2Fsh%2F17a0ac12-60c8-482a-8195-20f295b79518%2F3b2c6e34ee648b82&title=Full%2BMeta%2BJacket%2B%2528TU11%2529
and if you take out 12 chc, you can replace it with up to 24 chd.
so 40 chc + coyotes (which will usually give you 10+ chc bonus) and 138 chd is pretty good

[dim wharf]

40chc is pretty low though. The whole point of telling people to get +50% is under the assumption that someone in your group will be giving you the coytoes mid buff which will generally be active to boost to the cap. That 10% difference is significant when your investing so much into chd.

[tender hollow]

^ Fair point. Basically the more you have the better and the more fun you have, because you can kill stuff really fast.

You might be able to get away with less if you are lucky and join a strong team, but if you join an inexperienced team you wont finish or it will take 3 to 6 hrs.

[gritty zinc]

okay ! Thanks a lot guys ! i'll try to stay around 50 chc and boost the most i can chd

[rich perch]

New raid player here, is there a point to raid more than once a week since I cant look the chest anymore? Do bosses still drop items ( exotic) ?

[winged wharf]

bosses drop the exotics but its an extremely small chance.

[dim wharf]

Not after the first run of the week though, it's the same with raid specific gear

[verbal mist]

do it for practice and experience . Learn all the positions in the raid. this makes it much easier to lfg

[rich perch]

when does the "week" reset ? Is it the same time as the weekly projects?

[swift peak]

yes, reset is tuesday

[tame sage]

if you feel comfortable with div2 aiming and stuff, you can try headshot builds. I used 3 Aces and Eights + Providence BP + Fox prayers + Coyote as my dps build at alter character. Decent damage, long coyote for everyone, which also helps you, due to focusing pretty much only on headshot damage stat, and ez to build, because Aces and Eights is a gearset and you only need to find them with 1 good roll instead of two.
(yes I was sacrificing the sacrifice, do not make drama, ofc glass cannon or focus is better than coyote)

[vocal delta]

I am looking for a speed run community, my shd is 1500 with many builds. Anyone have it?

Also, I know nothing about speed run. 🙂

Just normal play style

[stiff zephyr]

without optimising anything you can get 170+CHD 55+CHC before Coyotes, 138 is not good

[eager jay]

You'll always get 1 key from the last boss on every clear (drops on the first loot pile), so every 5 clear you can open the box again. Or use alt characters as each can open the key boxes once every week.

[brisk olive]

So as i understand correctly. Boomer still takes damage via negotiator dilemma buff even if he otherwise immune to other damage?

[gusty willow]

Because ND does not deal damage , it transfers damage.

[sage plover]

Excuse me,I am new to the server. Can someone tell me how I can start/join a raid on pc?

[cinder palm]

go to #lfg-raid-pc and someone will probably be like "LFG IH RV2" or whatever and then you just jump on Raid Voice 2 for Iron Horse. Alternatively you can be the person to start it and people may hop in your RV

[waxen stirrup]

RV?

[solar vine]

Raid Voice Channel

[waxen stirrup]

ok thanks

[tame raft]

how long do raids usually take?

[slate scroll]

form 30 mins to 4h

depends on the group

[dim wharf]

Dark hours generally takes about 30 minutes to an hour, iron horse generally around an hour+

[tidal geyser]

How do I start a road

Raid*

[solemn flame]

If you’re at least level 30 and on world tier 5, talk to the helicopter pilot in the public area at the bas of operations.

[waxen stirrup]

from which raid i will get eagle bearer assault rifle ?

[fickle venture]

Dark Hours

[acoustic tangle]

Trying to get bulwark chest and wanted to know if it still locked behind iron horse raid

[magic fulcrum]

Yes it is

[oblique niche]

can u still take down the 3rd ih boss on the entrance without him despawning from red and spawning somewhere else? saw a video on yt about that but in all the raids i played noone did it like that which seems to save a lot of time tho

[elder sedge]

@oblique niche destroy all 3 lava together and keep the boss there. Once all the lava’s out he’s back to being immune

[waxen shell]

Quick Question , I am a returning Agent to DC , It's been well over a year and 2 of my friends have recently joined up , we are thinking about joining up for the raids SOON™️. I was thinking about running them through Dark Hours first. Has the roles changed for the raid or what rolls are the "Meta" right now for the 2 raids. I recently built up a Skill for Legendary missions , 1 is a tank build , and another is damage. Any ideas which way we should look for a build , or are the raids that simple now it shouldn't full matter?

[fickle venture]

Dark Hours can be finished with a full team of 8 DPS, you can use tank in certain parts but it's not required and it is part of more specific strategies

as for Iron Horse, this one is more complicated

it requires more build diversity and in a lot more of its stages

I'd say a tank build, a healer build also are required alongside dps

[tough trench]

i'd say get them a standard DPS build and you should be all good to go, if you want to learn more specific roles then after that then start building up some extra stuff, but to start DPS does the work and most raid leaders would take you in with no problems.
You can go to #td2-build-advice and check for the pinned messages, there's pretty good stuff posted in that channel

[waxen shell]

Okay , Awesome. Cause i see people speed running DH so i am like , that'll be a good starter raid , and then i was going to wait on running them through Iron Horse , Until i have ran through it myself. Yeah i have watched a few videos on it , but to don't got the flow of it.

[fickle venture]

you will get there once you see it for yourself

get accustomed to the layouts and such

but it's good you have some knowledge already

how many of you are there btw

maybe we could get an Iron Horse going

[waxen shell]

Right now it's just me , they are asleep .. Lazy butts. But i'd have to get a decent build together for IH , I have been focused on getting a Legendary Skill build together >.<

[fickle venture]

I have a bunch of people from my clan that are very experienced in raid, plus some frens from here

not now, in the future

you'd need DPS really for a start

[waxen shell]

Yeah , i would love to get a shot at IH , and try and get them through it. One of them really wants Rav , I think it would be cool to have also.

[fickle venture]

it's a really fun rifle

how many of you are there in total

just so I can get an idea of the setup

[waxen shell]

So ill try and get us solid DPS builds for the raids and definitely well take you up on the offer for some runs ^_^

Would be 3 , Myself and 2 others

[fickle venture]

alright sounds good, I cannot promise anything for sure now, my friends and I did it multiple times but they wandered off the game lately but yeah

it's an option so to speak, still I'd look in the lfg channel in case this doesn't materialize

good luck

[waxen shell]

Of course , I have done some LFGs through here and met some chill people.

[clever stratus]

For the regulus project does iron horse have to be on normal I've done it twice on discovery and it's not dropped yet

[signal basin]

Normal, yeah

[clever stratus]

F

[uneven garden]

It doesn’t “drop”. A couple projects iirc.

[rich perch]

do people regularly make IH raids for newbies. Its hard to get used to the map and Im not sure what was going on through my first IH raid

[muted horizon]

Best idea is to watch a few guides first, learn how it all works.
then when it comes time to join one, let them know you're brand new.

long as you listen and aren't totally clueless/have a solid DPS build, most teams are happy to bring a newbie.

[lilac pagoda]

Guys, may I ask a question, why for iron horse first boss i saw a lot of people using overcharge and Achilles pulse, the total overcharge weak point health will be 7.2M and only around 3.2M are buffed damage, Gray has 200M armor, that combo seems not that helpful but i found that a lot of people using it. Did i misunderstand some part of the mechanism?

[viscid fossil]

It usually transfers the full amount most would use dodge city and reg to get the maximum crit hit

[rigid onyx]

You can actually one shot gray and fieser using Achilles due to how it stacks with dodge city holster and the proper builds.

[jade crane]

Could someone point me in the direction of the current LFG strats/builds for DH and IH? I've gathered that the meta for Boomer is to use ND builds, but I'm curious to know what other strats have come into the meta since the last time I raided via LFG many months ago

[young hull]

From what I have seen newer raiders are recommended to have as close to 60% ChC and at or above 150% CHD. Talents are usually Unbreakable and vigilance or composure.

[jade crane]

I'm interested more in the group strats than strats for new individuals. I've done all the encounters many times, so I'm familiar with all the mechanics and whatnot. I'm mostly just curious to see how the meta strats have evolved, but I also don't have time to just run a few LFGs and figure it out firsthand 🙂

[young hull]

Since I am new I can't really help with that much detail sorry

[tawdry widget]

The "new strats" depend on key individuals in said raid. There's a lot of new players that still don't really know what's going on, so unless there's 4 or 5 doing something different, then it's just another run, same as all the others.

From my personal experience, unless you have a fixed group, I wouldn't really bother with "new meta" in LFG. There's nothing new like pulse stacking going on (I remember that at some point everyone would use it) and even ND in Boomer, that's not really a new meta, it's something speedrunners that have run the raid who knows how many times to perfect it can do. Not many people can pull it off or make it have a real impact in the run. If anything, people running it that don't really know what they're doing or that don't have 7 other players in sync with what they're trying to do are going to do more harm than good.

If on the other hand you're just interested in new strats for the sake of being curious (nothing wrong with it) check YouTube, LFN and OMN (both on PC) have their current best times videos, in both DH and IH, in there. But I wouldn't try to replicate any of it in LFG with 7 strangers.

[jade crane]

So I guess the conclusion is that the meta strats haven't really changed all that much in the past few months? There might be new exotic strats for speedrunners (like always), but yeah, I'm not super interested in those unless they're pretty easy to pull off without too much coordination. I'm curious about those, but they probably don't have much practical application

[tawdry widget]

Yeah, they're anything but practical in an LFG run. The amount of team buffs needed, alone, makes it impossible to do anything in an LFG run.

[tender hollow]

IH LFG stats
Boss 1 - Dodge city holster Regulus shield guy then burn boss
Boss 2 - Some LFGs "experiment" with negotiators, but generally its either tank in furnace to tank the boss the whole time or if ad control is bad break glass asap
Boss 3 - Same as before. Break lava all at the same time, throw assault turret onto balcony, dps boss from 3rd floor
Boss 4 - Same as before. A bit more LFGs "experiment" with mini-faraday with 1 or 2 healers and/or 1 or 2 tanks

[jade crane]

Some still seem to have made the jump, like using ND on Boomer (which is really the only "new" strat I'm aware of at the moment)

so I guess I just I sort of assumed there were new strats for more than Boomer 😛

ah sweet, thanks

Yeah, I'm aware that speedrun strats are considerably different than LFG strats, which was why I was wondering about any new LFG strats in particular. I also know that sometimes speedrun strats get adapted to be the new meta for non-speedruns, and that there are new speedrun strats, so I was curious if any of them had "made the jump" so to speak

It seems like the answer is "maybe kind of" for Boomer (the ND variant I'd heard about) and for 2IH (also ND, apparently)

[tender hollow]

^ no LFG is doing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0r2C6A7D3M, but many will have a nego or 2 in the team. We do not use shock in LFGs

[jade crane]

Oh, they're still doing the shock-in-place strat?

[primal mural]

Some friends and I are looking to get raids done. We are well built and have plenty of hours into division 2. Any help is appreciated.

(On xbox one)

[frigid hearth]

what does fresh mean in raids lfg?

[pure flint]

starts from beginning..

[fickle venture]

the key boxes that are required to open the final chest are not already opened, they refresh once a week

[tawdry widget]

actually, they mean they're going to start from the beginning of the raid

often times people leave at some boss and there's people needed to finish, "fresh" just means it's going to be started from the beginning

[frigid hearth]

that's player based, right? not raid based

[tawdry island]

Character based

[copper pagoda]

What is the requirements do do a the dark hour raid

[echo burrow]

Nothing

[tough trench]

Most groups just ask for a DPS build, (all red) with Crit.chance+50 and crit.damage +150 .
But really depends on raid leader.

[muted horizon]

What Drofkai said,
for an in-depth guide, I'd honestly recommend the "Full Meta Jacket" build on the spreadsheet for your run-through of it.
It's basically idiot proof, carried me on my first run-through .

[elder bridge]

Hello guys lfg DH im in voice 1 join up will add u to the raid

[muted horizon]

You're looking for #lfg-raid-pc

[elder bridge]

@muted horizon ok thx

[tender hollow]

Praise @muted horizon the unofficial guidance of this discord. ❤️

[tender hollow]

Does Protection from Elites help reduce damage in the Control Room for Boss 2 in Iron Horse?

[polar prawn]

no, it does not

[vocal delta]

Can anyone explain how the upstair work in ih boss 2, not control room, it is the player garding the electric box

[tawdry widget]

It's always 1 Purple that runs to the box + 1 Chunga guarding the purple. It comes from either A side (left) or C side (right) never from both at the same time. The side they come from is random, too, you can't predict it.

If for some reason the purple is able to disable the control room's power you need one person on the box on A side and another on C side to press the 2 boxes at the same time.

How to solo it, I've seen a few ways, personally, I use the Sharpshooter's Tactician Drone (that let you see through walls) and a Demolisher Firefly. Place the drone in the middle of the room and just keep looking at each side, when you see them come and it's on A side, point the gun at the chunga and double tap the demolisher firefly key, it will send it to the chunga and destroy his weakpoint, meanwhile, you'll be running to the Purple and kill him (with Sweet Dreams or something else), then finish the chunga.

If it comes from C side, first go for the purple, the chunga takes a couple of seconds to step out of that room where he spawns, double tap the demolisher again while pointing at him, you may need to combat roll to avoid one of his grenades and finish him.

Rinse and repeat.

Depending if the team wants the healer to be alone, with the broken glass in the room or not you can adjust. If it's with broken glass you can stay in the corridor behind the room, the one that connects A to C, place the drone there, you'll still see the purple and chunga through the walls. If they don't want to break the window, you can stay in the middle of the room, with the drone there and just keep your eye on both doors.

[tawdry widget]

Was this what you wanted to know?

[vocal delta]

@tawdry widgetLike when to come down, and why can the player run down and the power won't go off

[tawdry widget]

After the doors are closed you can come down.

[vocal delta]

But won't the purple spawn?

[tawdry widget]

They try to disable the power when the doors are open.

[vocal delta]

Or they lose intrest

[tawdry widget]

It will spawn, but will stop going to the boxes. Same with the chunga, it will spawn.

[vocal delta]

Ohhh, normally who will go up stair?

One from a and one from c?

[tawdry widget]

After the doors are closed? To kill the chunga?

No one, it will eventually come down and you can kill him from there.

[vocal delta]

I mean before

Like one from a side go up, so before the glass brake, a only have 1

[tawdry widget]

Depends on the team, 1 player can look at both A and C sides alone, with different methods (I described 1). If the team needs 2 players for it, 1 on each side, then I guess they'll be designated in the beginning.

Thing is, there are 8 players:
1x tank — inside
1x healer — control room
2x dps — A
2x dps — C
1x dps — B

That leaves 1 player without a position and the position for that player: solo guarding boxes next to the control room

[vocal delta]

Oky I get it now

[tawdry widget]

Some teams may take 1 player from A or 1 from C so there are 2 players upstairs (1 on each side) to guard boxes, that depends on the team

[vocal delta]

That sounds good

[viscid anchor]

The ads on the door near the entrance on A don't come out for awhile so that person can usually start upstairs first.

Means you don't have to solo upstairs. We normally send that person down once two purples/boomer have appeared upstairs

[tender hollow]

has anyone else had a problem getting their keys on dh my first character can open the boxes but my second cants, tried to travel back to boo and its doesnt work

[frosty mesa]

Not sure exactly what you mean. If you’ve got a new Series X/S console, it can cause problems if you don’t completely quit the game before turning off the console.

[tender hollow]

@frosty mesa its the four key boxes thats locked, all four are open i know i havent collected them since i've never done the raid(s) using my second character, before i would just fast travel back to boo and return to the raid and i can access the box but this seems to be something new

[plucky vine]

Does Morozova drop a key everytime she's beaten like the razorback does in DH?

[tawdry widget]

yes

[plucky vine]

Oh nice

[viral iron]

Guys, I need advice on Iron Horse 🙂 I've completed Dark Hours 4 times so far but I'm yet to go on IH. Could you please advise if full red build could work in IH as good as it does in DH? I'll post a message in the LFG channel if needed, but could anyone be willing to help me with the first completion?

[signal basin]

Full reds will work fine. Most teams will have a first timer shoot ads mostly anyway and not one of the more complex positions.

[cunning meadow]

@covert prism @tribal mountain @analog flax @mental plank maybe wanna ban this clown

[tribal mountain]

Done, thanks.

[plucky vine]

Anyone know if Ravenous explosions cause splash damage?

I don't think it does could be wrong thought

[fickle venture]

no

[cosmic ember]

hi the key boxes give a key on weekly basis. the boss drop key is also once a week or everytime on completion?

[frosty remnant]

Everytime you kill boss 4 you get it.@cosmic ember

[cosmic ember]

k thx

[tender hollow]

anyone know of a work-around for boxes that don't open in the raid?

[rigid spindle]

When should i start doing raids?

[pearl iris]

i just finished my first the other night at lvl 500+.. i think if you're around 250, 300 you should have enough to hold your own..

[pearl iris]

i seen someone fast travel to white house and then fast travel back and it opened for them.

[vagrant wing]

you can't join raids until you're 480 or 485 iirc. alternatively if you start WoNY until you're lvl 40 just FYI

[tender hollow]

@pearl iris tried that doesnt work

[pearl iris]

i believe most of my raid group was like...300ish? they might've changed it. luckily the 2 2000+ carried us

[vagrant wing]

oh you mean SHD lvl. i misunderstood. my bad. You can join raids as i said, as soon as you're lvl 40. If however you don't have WoNY and still in the old GS system you need to be 480/485 GS and above

[pearl iris]

my bad yes. shd lvl lol

[pearl iris]

😯 shoot

[frosty mesa]

Whenever you have a decent build. SHD level does not matter at all.

[pearl iris]

i only say those levels cause most likely you won't get good gear until you grind enough for it lol

but yea you right

[mortal bronze]

3x god roll gila mask from discovery DH lmao ...max armor,regen,hazard ... i droped at lucy/buddy to bait players to get it 🤣

[tender hollow]

ARe Raids Possible to do at SHD level 32? or is it more the gear

[tender hollow]

its more the gear and the team. A SHD 1 can join and finish easily in a good team. But if four SHD 1s rock up, good luck in that LFG.
There is a recommended spec, which you can find scrolling up.

[tender hollow]

Oh Wow Really?

[tender hollow]

Thanks

[frosty mesa]

Yeah. Don’t worry about SHD level. Just get a really good DPS build to start.

[tender hollow]

Oh I think I have I’m clocking a Solid 16 mil max crit build

[elder sedge]

How can you one shot boomer?

Cause if I remember they removed it

[vagrant wing]

https://youtu.be/wOg_0CGn4Fk the process is very much similar you just need one or two more buffs (credit to Astro ofc)

[elder sedge]

No i mean boomer in dark hours

Lemme find the video

https://youtu.be/uyoxLNJktD0

[vagrant wing]

As i said 'the process is very much similar'. Try to apply Fieser strat to Boomer, that's all there is to it

[wind quarry]

the last exotic components for the regulus does it need to be on a weekly reset ?

[signal basin]

Yes

[hardy pike]

Might be a stupid question here but does anyone know if you can 2 man operation iron horse? I've had a look online but no one seems to be talking about it.

[muted horizon]

The information seems to be conflicting, but I see reports that you need 4 at a minimum, others are saying 2 but idk, that seems low for what you need to do.

[vagrant wing]

Technically you can (there's nothing coded in order to block your progression if you have a minimum of 2 agents - unlike razorback for example - ) however, in practice, if you're talking about the 'normal' mode (note: not discovery) it's very unlikely you'll complete it that way

i was wrong, forgot the snipers alley. Yeah you need 4 minimum

[minor imp]

4 minimum for normal; 1 for discovery...

[rigid onyx]

Can confirm

4 normal, 1 discovery

Obviously you can solo or less than 4 man things on normal however for a full 100% you need 4

Heat chamber requires 3, sniper valves require 4

And no way known to get around that as far as I know

[plucky vine]

The blueprints for aces, tip, and neg all sheer chance based at the final box?

[vagrant wing]

iirc they drop from bosses on your first clear of the week

[plucky vine]

Hmm I never got them for some reason 🤔

[slender musk]

Actually I've successfully done 0 man raid on normal, so you guys wrong!

[rigid onyx]

😂

[granite terrace]

@tough mountain @round dome im watching youtube video now about DH. can do raids today?

[round dome]

sure

[granite terrace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrysKXi9FWI

[round dome]

good ol coldbwooy one

Watched the same one back when

[tough mountain]

Net shit so nah

[round dome]

eh youll be fine

200 ping is good enough

[granite terrace]

lol this looks like a headache to play

[round dome]

its really not

trust me

he kinda over complicates it a bit

its just shoot this press this button and shoot this and then ur done

[granite terrace]

im ready me thinks

[round dome]

go to the good ol LFG then ping me when youve found something

@tough mountain join us cuck

[tough mountain]

Nah can't play

[round dome]

@granite terrace whats ur ign

[granite terrace]

@round dome were you the one wanting to see me raid? lol

avi2020

[round dome]

yea

im just here to observe

[granite terrace]

😂 i have reviver

[round dome]

Yes yes

[granite terrace]

@tender hollow

omg can add reactions here

https://tenor.com/view/niana-guerrero-all-by-myself-lonely-forever-alone-gif-11869805

[tender hollow]

@granite terrace what's ur user id?

[round dome]

avi2020

@granite terrace add me and inv to raid

[granite terrace]

we are only 3

[round dome]

doesnt matter, u dont have to start the raid just inv now so u dont have to do everyone at once

[granite terrace]

alright what's your ign

[round dome]

BorpaBusiness

[tender hollow]

@granite terrace sent

[granite terrace]

you're offline @round dome

@indigo sierra ign

[tender hollow]

@granite terrace leave summit

[granite terrace]

ok

[round dome]

Avi u gotta invite to raid

[granite terrace]

hold on

it's my first time you know

[round dome]

yea

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/730963826492833897/880512752496541756/unknown.png

[granite terrace]

difficulty normal?

[round dome]

ofc

[tender hollow]

brb

[round dome]

@granite terrace do u just want me to do it

ok

@granite terrace make ur name Ubi-avi2020

[granite terrace]

where why?

[round dome]

so ppl know to add u

[tender hollow]

back

[granite terrace]

@wild beacon ign?

@vernal herald ign?

[hexed wind]

I need regulus invite me :Dizzy9163

[magic fulcrum]

Use #lfg-raid-console next time

[elder sedge]

@hexed wind same

[lilac pagoda]

guys, could someone teach me how to use the negotiate/D50 etc set to skip the first phase of iron horse second phase?

Thanks a lot!

sry, i mean second boss

[trail oriole]

You use hsd rolled ND, D50, Perfect glass, and gunslingers holster. 2-4 people with that setup, 1 or 2 use grudge and foam/emp pulse for status effect kill on purple.
Achilles chunga, pray for a crit.

Control room calls out alpha or Charlie side stairs so ND players head towards the correct direction. My team usually has coyotes long buff on C side for extra chc.

[vagrant wing]

hsd rolled ND
note: if you decided not to use the Rav. For a rav strat a full chc setup is advisable

[trail oriole]

^ I forgot about that.

[lilac pagoda]

i am wondering if rav build will be easier?

[vagrant wing]

also control room need to overcharge (i know you know that, just put it out there)

[lilac pagoda]

last time i saw a guy did that himself with ND build, holster, rav and D50

[vagrant wing]

depends. a bit more work for the rav person, less work for the team and vise versa

[lilac pagoda]

only the overcharge is from others

[trail oriole]

Adler's the subject matter expert here, he'll get you squared away.

[vagrant wing]

huh? no i'm not 🙂
i'm a just simple guy here. or to quote another 'i only work here part time'

[trail oriole]

Your advice is always top tier, and you always admit when you're wrong which is a great thing.

[lilac pagoda]

ok so, basically what i saw is negotiate set with perfect glass/dodge holster and rav D50, seems he shoot the boss till 4 tile armor, then he went upstairs overcharge, rav buff then achilles then jobs done

lol, i believe you both ganster

[trail oriole]

Anyway; on entry to forge team decides roles.
ND go bravo, dps insta clear 1st code, weaken boss to 4 bars. Overcharge as ND runs up to A/C stairs. Proc vindictive, Achilles chunga, pray for crit.

[lilac pagoda]

um, one more question, what is overcharged Achilles for? seems no diff since the damage will exceed the weak point health

and thanks! both of you!

[trail oriole]

To have multiple Marks. You wipe immediately as Fieser dies in order to avoid him respawning

[lilac pagoda]

Oh

i see,

[vagrant wing]

i guess they have a point. with this particular start you don't need more than 3-4 mark. a full yellow build can achieve 3. However it'll put a bit of strain on that yellow build person (they'll have to go to the particular side of the spawn) and on the rav person (they'll have to be careful not to shoot a mark)

[trail oriole]

Better to have 6 in case you have someone panic and not shoot their designated mark lol

[lilac pagoda]

i don't think so, i mean the rav person can get the buff first then achilles, the only enhancement u can expect from overcharge achilles is more weak points

[trail oriole]

Yeah, that's the point as far as I know

[lilac pagoda]

btw, someone told me to shoot the head of a achilles guy you can get a square head shoot damage right?

it's like head shoot multiply a head shoot

[trail oriole]

@vagrant wing Do you have an answer for that one? The intricacies of maths escape me.

[vagrant wing]

since the heavy doesn't have a head (so to speak. you shoot his armor plate not his head. it doesn't apply). however the common belief is - yes - it's true. on an achilles head mark triple the dmg for whatever reason

[lilac pagoda]

oh, i see,ye that's so strange that i saw ppl were not picky on which part to shoot

[trail oriole]

It's a team effort, if someones so stuck on doing one thing they're probably not good for the teams health overall. And some days you just know you're shooting like a potato so you want an easier mark like chest.

[vagrant wing]

it doesn't really matter. if you stack your rav properly and you got a crit - you're good. also this ^^

[lilac pagoda]

i did saw only two people achieved it

his id is VIGONI?

[trail oriole]

Crits will make or break that attempt, as well as team cohesion

Vig's also spent a fuck ton of time practicing and running speeds. Really good guy though.

[lilac pagoda]

lol

i have to say that was so impressive, u don't need to explain how the whole mechanism works to begininers

[vagrant wing]

ummm don't do it with beginners generally. i highly advice against it

[lilac pagoda]

i know,it's just, it could be horrible if u meet some ppl even have difficulities why we don't go into the water in last boss,

when i saw 5 ppl go into the water in second wave i feel so desprate

[trail oriole]

You do go into the water at Morozova. It's just a matter of timing

Which depends on if you're doing normal, mini Faraday, or full Faraday.

[lilac pagoda]

in normal, not the first or last wave, those beginners were too panic to really listen to my words

oh, what is mini Faraday and full Faraday?

[trail oriole]

Mini faraday, 1st phase is regular, 2nd/3rd phase you skip, regular 4th phase.

[lilac pagoda]

sry, i asked a lot today, thx for the patience!

[vagrant wing]

don't just don't. speeds is an addiction. best avoid it all together 😁

[trail oriole]

Full faraday you do not shoot the bullet with rockets. Just the 4 turrets phase 1. Keys must be teleported and all players must be at the back of the map. You skip p2/3, and have to kill bullet p4, teleport keys by playing back of map.

Speeds are the best addiction 😁

[lilac pagoda]

i don't do it for speeds, it's just easier for those who never learn, if u make the process simpler for them it helps to pass the raid

[trail oriole]

You should do speeds

Everyone should.

[lilac pagoda]

i am a Chinese, it's kinda hard to find some experienced guys in the chat channel

when u sey experienced perferred, they don't care, they just join the raid voice, and 70% of them never talk

[vagrant wing]

it's not! and again, if you're teaching raids you should avoid any of the above for couple reasons:

1. you'll teach bad habits
2. if you don't have at least 5-6 very exp ppl - it prolly won't work
3. it can be quite frustrating for new ppl

[trail oriole]

Yeah, tryna do speed strats in an uncoordinated group without proper builds.. you're gonna want to put your head through a wall.

I do clan raids daily and we still can't always pull it off even though between us we've got 1k+ full completions

[lilac pagoda]

ye, i know what do you mean, i just want to find a way to pass when there are only around 4 experienced guys

[trail oriole]

1 exp as healer, 2 exp dps/floater/sub roles, 1 exp tonk

By sub roles I mean cogs, panels, and shit like that

[lilac pagoda]

ye, that make sense, seems IH does not need over 5 experienced guys to achieve

sometimes i am just pissed, when we went for razorback everyone just pick outside role and told me no jammer/weak point build

i mean it's ridiculous that in a 8 ppl team, 6 ppl just want to get the key by only clearing chunga and adds

[vagrant wing]

also um just to note, i know there're some chinese/asian servers - the thing is - there're so many exp ppl there like @west spruce and his team (to name a few. i'm sure there're many more). you can (and should) ask them for more details

[trail oriole]

Always assume that you've gotta do everything in random lfgs 😂

[lilac pagoda]

thx for the suggestion, but i already gave up to pass with beginners today, i have only failed once in discord teams but almost half half with

you know

[trail oriole]

Do you really think trying to pick up speed strats from the start would create bad habits? I've been wondering about that lately tbf. If you had someone interested in learning speeds but with minimal overall raid exp I feel like it'd be easier as they have less ingrained habits from casual runs.

[lilac pagoda]

ye it will

[trail oriole]

Like, I'm not allowed to fire p1 rockets on Faradays because muscle memory always makes me fire at the bullet 😂

[lilac pagoda]

i never know my friends always go into the water

no matter which waves,

[trail oriole]

You go into water all phases when wipe mechanic is triggered

Mini/full Faraday just skip firing at the bullet/majority of ad clear

[lilac pagoda]

i know, i mean before the mortar shoot

[trail oriole]

Ah. 1st and 4th phase timing doesn't matter.

[lilac pagoda]

ye, but my friend always go in, this seems not a good example

[vagrant wing]

my personal opinion is that, if a said person doesn't know how the normal raid/buffs/team play works in a regular run, while it might be easier to teach them speed starts quite quickly - they either fail to understand why they're working, or fail to further develop them (not to mention they'll be a disaster running some LFGs). but maybe it just me

[lilac pagoda]

there were someone use oxi for the suppressing sniper sceene

and overcharge, and he failed

i mean, ye it can make it easier, but if not with a 99% success rate, it's not worthy

[vagrant wing]

thst's probably his team fault and not his. if you don't pen the door quick enough - the sticky will expire. I guess you can blame them for trying it in an LFG group - but you get what i mean

[trail oriole]

I try a lot of my random shenanigans in normal lfgs tbh. They don't even notice half of the time, and the other half of the time they just don't care unless it causes a wipe.

[vagrant wing]

unless it causes a wipe
is the key sentece here 😀

[lilac pagoda]

well, it's just a random group, that guys asked the rest 7 of us to wait 10 mins so he can finish his last 5 adds in RedRedemption

[trail oriole]

😂 I usually don't. If I'm the reason the team wipes there's a good chance it was intentional or I've been drinking.

So really, your best bet is to get proficient in all roles and just run normal lfg strats. Make sure you've got builds for all roles too lol, can't count how many times I've run into raids where no one has proper builds.

[vagrant wing]

this^^

[lilac pagoda]

lol, that is what i am doing

[trail oriole]

I was the potato in casual lfgs for a while, then I learned the roles, then I started wanting to go fast as fuck boi

[lilac pagoda]

but still have some fails cuz not exp players in the team

not enough i mean

[trail oriole]

Even super exp teams fail runs sometimes

[west spruce]

@lilac pagoda I can refer you to a team of a friend of mine that I am currently speedrunning with mostly as we do converse in Mandarin, if you are interested to learn and run do let me know

[lilac pagoda]

Sure!

[trail oriole]

I need a NA team 😭

[lilac pagoda]

Can u imagine a guy died 4 times in Morozova, his role is just guarding the front

[trail oriole]

I can indeed imagine that

[west spruce]

There are quite a few NA team, notably LFN clan if you are interested @trail oriole else I think there are a couple AU or mixed speedrunning team

[lilac pagoda]

and adds just ran away, he ignored those who ran away while he's reviving

[trail oriole]

I've ran with one of the Au teams, but unfortunately I'm usually starting work when they run.

[lilac pagoda]

lol

i am in Canada but most group i found here is in Europ

[dull mountain]

Wonder what that team is

[vagrant wing]

couldn't tag you earlier 🥺

[west spruce]

Haha I am having a hard time looking for Dino name too

[trail oriole]

I am most certainly interested, but I've got limited availability due to work schedule

[neat marten]

i did iron horse but i couldnt open the chest in finish couse i didnt take the one key what should i do

do i need to do one more

[vagrant wing]

yes. or just join a group who's doing the last boss (the last boss always drops a key)

[faint thorn]

anyone doing op dark hours raid?

[valid marlin]

Check #lfg-raid-pc

[royal mulch]

whats the average wait time for finding raid groups? the matchmaking is taking quite some time

[vagrant wing]

there's a difference between 'discovery' (matchmaking) and normal difficulty. Generally speaking, the ppl on this discord don't do discovery. If you're matchmaking the waiting time may vary due to couple reasons:

1. You can't get exclusive raid loot in Discovery (hence why not many ppl doing them)
2. Time zones
3. The player base has shrank. There're less ppl playing overall

[royal mulch]

how do i change the difficulty? there doesnt seem to be an option

[vagrant wing]

there is. If you leave the queue you're in and create a new raid you'll see it. However you can't matchmake for normal difficulty. That what this discord for

[royal mulch]

ahhh i see. okay thank you

[vagrant wing]

yw

[frozen grail]

Anyone able to help me with dark hours normal?

[dire swallow]

Sorry to ask but what’s a raid and how’s it different from the rest of the game?

[spring prism]

well, a raid has 8 people in hte group, and unlike missions/strongholds, they have some mechanics in them like sort of puzzles but not really

[muted horizon]

Ya know how Incursions were kinda super missions? Raids are like 3 Incursions stacked on each other, plus extra mechanics and the enemies are all Heroic.

[dire swallow]

Damn bro

[dire swallow]

Oh shit

[spring prism]

yes

[dire swallow]

So kinda like underground?

[muted horizon]

nope, Underground is actually in div2 tho.
instead it's up and not down, called "Summit".

[safe musk]

I believe that lol

[muted horizon]

there's no Survival or Resistance tho.

[safe musk]

The summit on legendary

[muted horizon]

Still just Underground, in effect.

anyway yeah, Raids.
there's 2 versions, "Discovery" which is easier, has less mechanics and has matchmaking, but there's no unique loot/exotics.
or "Normal", which has more mechanics, tougher enemies, and unique loot. But no matchmaking.

[safe musk]

I wanna knw if they will soon let the players ave the Chance to use 2 exotic gear piece and bring 2 exotic weapons like div 1

That wud be so much fun

[spring prism]

no, too broken

^simple answer

[muted horizon]

Never gonna happen, div2 was designed from the ground-up for that to not work.
Exotics in div2 are significantly more useful than in div1.

Think of them on-par with High-end (yellow) and gearsets, in terms of power.
but they add niche setups that would break the game. Imagine being able to run something like Dodge City holster+Coyotes together.

[spring prism]

and dont forget momento

with a regulus and ravenous combo

[safe musk]

Hell yea tha wud take out the whole NYC too easy

[muted horizon]

hell, chameleon and regulus alone would kill half of the rogues in under 30mins lol.

[spring prism]

lol

[muted horizon]

actually I take that all back, I totally want Memento+Coyotes.

[safe musk]

Those f need to die in 10 sec they annoying sometimes not to mention hunters

[safe musk]

Dwl hear we go

Here*

That’s actually a good combo still memento+coyotes that’s like the black tusks runners firing they shotgun frm 1.5k out

[elder sedge]

Does the one shot fieser work on all bosses like Williams and morozova

[tawdry widget]

No, both encounter's mechanics prevent it

[vagrant wing]

well... yes you can do the same method to one shot them, but as Chino said you'll either wipe (Morozova) or the boss will respwan/become a ghost (Williams depends on the timing you're shooting him)
edit: to be exact there's a very short window to one shot Williams, but imo it's not worth the try

[tawdry widget]

Yeah, from that perspective, nothing stopping you from doing it, but you won't be able to progress further/faster

On Williams, afaik, you still have to prevent the furnace from exploding (stop the pressure from rising with the alphabet valves) so unless that is done you won't be able to advance. On Morozova, there are actually two bosses, Morozova and the train, unless people figure out a way to one shot the train, one shooting Morozova before the train is wrecked won't work either. Those two mechanics make those two bosses a bit different and with more hoops than the rest (or at least considering what has been found).

[true tangle]

If I do iron horse raid on discovery will I still get the blueprints for future set

[tawdry widget]

no

Contrary to what happens on Dark Hours, where you get the blueprints for Negotiators, Tip of the Spear and Aces & Eights by killing the bosses, on Iron Horse, Future Initiative and Foundry Bulwark projects are tied to the Regulus project and you can only get the Regulus project by doing the raid in normal

[true tangle]

Well shit

[tawdry widget]

Honestly, if you find a group that can do Iron Horse Discovery, they can also do Normal. Discovery is only "hard" when doing it via matchmaking and no one is on voice coms/don't know what to do.

[true tangle]

I've been trying to find people

[tawdry widget]

#lfg-raid-pc has people everyday doing both raids, when you see someone asking for players (eg. LF4M IH RV5 = looking for 5 members iron horse raid voice 5) just join, say it's your first time and wait for the reply. most people won't have an issue taking someone that have never done it. if for some reason they do, leave and try again with another group.

[tender musk]

Looking for 6 players to do Iron Horse raid on Normal

[magic fulcrum]

No they must be done on reset aka tomorrow

[tender hollow]

anyone doing any raids?

[faint thorn]

yes

rv4

[frozen grail]

Anyone doing normal dark hours raids?

[valid marlin]

There's no need to post in multiple channels. Just post it in #lfg-raid-pc and wait and see if someone is up for a normal raid (just because the others tell you they don't do normal doesn't mean others won't and that you need to post in other channels to find someone).

[formal forge]

I missed an exotic Regulus piece on my first run this week. Do I have to wait til next reset to get it?

[fallen epoch]

Nope, just do that boss...

[vagrant wing]

missed? how so?

[tough trench]

It was reset today, you can get it on your first run from now on

[formal forge]

thanks

[trail girder]

is a FI healer really needed/good in DH (i know you need one on boss 2 but i mean all 4 of them)

[paper charm]

Boss 1 can benefit from one in the center. And in casual 4th boss the jammer can double as healer, and run around avoiding the team wasting their armor kit. And given that the FI DPS buff is +25% (with the full armor caveat), while adding the 8th DPS vs. 7 is +14.3%, some group opt to have an all-red FI even if they don't need a healer.

Of course, the jammer-"healer" on the 4th boss is not FI

[tough trench]

Depends on how you use it.
I'd say the simple damage buff is worth losing 1 dps, but if they do get the best of it, with opportunistic, Scorpio, overcharge+pulse, is a Damage changer that can make it really easy for lack of DPS groups

If they just put him there to heal, then may be not that worth it if the group knows how to

[tender hollow]

^ 50/50 whether you use a FI healer for Boss 1 in DH, because you can pull through a very weak group, who as a group, isn't ready for the last boss in DH

[fallen epoch]

No, you can literally do the whole raid without healer... nice to have in 2/3... but not a must...
The Jammer is the one that even if it can be avoided is just so easy to craft\have (Wyvern chest, BTSU Gloves, 4 Hard Wired) and have that it's kind of a must...
With Chem Launcer/Healing Hive you can heal and\or overcharge too... And with a Crossbow also break the grill... So many roles potentially covered in just one build that cant be made easily...

[fallen epoch]

Agree... A buff is useful if well used, in a group with a lackluster DPS\Gameplay it's wasted... You are just covering up the lack of DPS/knowledge on a group that's going to struggle with other bosses, let's not talk about Iron Horse...
Just watch a couple of videos, get a decent PVE full red DPS build and Dark Hours is going to be a walk... It doesn't even need to be god rolls...

[verbal mist]

Agree with above fi isn’t a must . Obviously as fi wasn’t out prior to lvl 40.

[spring prism]

idk if this has already been said, but hte only times ive used a FI healer in my DH raids has been weasel and buddy/lucy

the other 2 bosses dont really need a healer, and for razorback your jammer should have btsu gloves with healer hive anyway

[frosty mesa]

I run my FI healer for bosses 1-3 if playing with less experienced individuals/people I’ve never raided either just to be on the safer side of things.

[frosty remnant]

The FI still gives the whole team a multiplicative damage buff. I think it's worth it to have one even with experienced players.

[tame sage]

don't forget the red FI builds

[frosty mesa]

We run TP with a more experienced team.

[calm linden]

Where is the lfg section for ps4

Please

[magic fulcrum]

#lfg-raid-console

Below this channel

[vagrant wing]

you need to pick the ps4 role first fyi

[calm linden]

Ty

[trail girder]

is there any gear that is DH exclusive? (except EB)

[magic fulcrum]

Aces and 8s, tip of spear and negotiators dilemma

For blueprints if thats what you mean

[mortal bronze]

@covert prism everywhere...

[fossil solar]

ionut_dimi

[vagrant wing]

SHD lvl has nothing to do with it @tender hollow i kinda hate that argument. as for your second argument - i agree

be better suitable to ask on vroom vroom if you don't mind. it's a bit hard to post pics over here

[tender hollow]

@vagrant wing but its usually the low shds that come in, use GC and die every 60 seconds

[brave sedge]

@vagrant wing can you explain it?

[vagrant wing]

well... in that particular case - i agree

[vagrant wing]

i'd assume so. if not me - there whole bunch of speed experts over there who can answer your q

[tough trench]

If you ask only for the Skip, you need to activate the faraday field from the Technician skill tree, so need 2-3 person with that active and throw turrets and/or deployable skills in the tunnel then you can jump in or out, but anyway you will still get damage.

it's a lot more complicated if you're looking to do the complete phase skip, then there's lot more things happening at the same time, and for sure someone else can explain this better than me.

[brave sedge]

@tough trench thanks!

[brittle relic]

IGN- Lightarow2000

[tender hollow]

LF1 RV1 last boss IH

LF1 RV1 last boss IH

[magic fulcrum]

Use #lfg-raid-pc

[tender hollow]

LF2 RV1 last boss IH

LF3 RV1 last boss IH

[flat hinge]

Looking for a raid Dark hours raid. Invite me Orion7004

[shrewd raven]

Can anyone help me do dark hours raid or iron horse raid? im trying to get the exotics

[flat hinge]

Im looking for players for the dark hours raid. Invite me Orion7004

[magic fulcrum]

Please use #lfg-raid-pc

[dusky owl]

Anyone iron horse NEED 5 FOR IRON HORSE PS ONLy

[muted horizon]

You're looking for #lfg-raid-xbox

[dusky owl]

?

I play both so I’m on ps5 rn.

[muted horizon]

Then change the last word in that to the PS one.

[magic fulcrum]

Then #lfg-raid-console is where

[spark forge]

LFG XBOX Dark Hours Raid. Please invite me MrBuenoSON

[valid marlin]

@spark forge Use #578577794561474571

[woven tapir]

Hey there agents! Just joined the community here hope everyone is doing great!

I wanted to ask if there is any raid going on and looking for other players

[valid marlin]

Check #lfg-raid-pc

[woven tapir]

Thank you!!@valid marlin

[muted horizon]

It might be easier to just post a link.

[strange loom]

yes but it looks cooler this way

[muted horizon]

Who is that for exactly? It'll be overtaken by comments in a few hours.

[strange loom]

no one

I was just bored lmao

anyone can read it if they want

[muted horizon]

There's a few dozen guides online, many YT ones if you learn better visually.

[tawdry widget]

It looks unreadable... who's going to read that wall of text, on discord, to find out one week later that's it's buried in the chat scroll?

[verbal mist]

Not being toxic but there’s a few bad habits in those raid instructions.

[young hull]

A clear is a clear

[narrow robin]

if i do not kill last boss in DH, can i restart on it ?

[tawdry widget]

You can if you're the one who creates the raid, then you'll have the checkpoint in the last boss

[dim wharf]

Yes, until the weekly reset, which is tomorrow

[lilac pagoda]

guys, could someone tell me what is the order of Major Williams' turret? like if yellow first then red last?

[tame sage]

the one to the left of the first one is last

[normal mirage]

the next turret will always be the one on the right. last is to the left of the first turret

what happened to the 12 page essay on how to do IH that was posted here

[strange loom]

couldn't be bothered

[tame sage]

Are those really needed. Sharkie from our clan made videos through 1-3 bosses about IH, with really detailed explanatory and POV almost from each side

[strange loom]

Sharkie is an absolute legend, I watch all his videos and he is so wholesome and is really good at the game

[lilac pagoda]

Thank you guys!

[tame sage]

search for "iron horse for beginners" by -sharkie-
should answer most of questions about iron horse

[trail oriole]

I feel like the majority of YT vids have that problem.
Just because it works for you doesn't mean it helps the team or helps efficiently clear raids.

[verbal mist]

I understand theres many ways to raid. I like teaching players to learn to play with GC in DH raids. Learn how to move and cover shoot or kill fast. I kite with GC always. Its not that im this great player its just that its frustrating to see 3 blues and bloodsucker on players in dh wondering why they arent completing the raid because they watched a yt video

[ornate tiger]

are there mods for weapon handling?

[gusty willow]

unfortunately no

[tender hollow]

Hi, I'm interested in joining iron horse raid to unlock regulus and get eagle bearer.

[magic fulcrum]

Eagle bearer comes from dark hours and use #lfg-raid-pc

[tender hollow]

Ok, thanks!

[dapper olive]

There is one. Its a scope, Forgot the name of it. It adds 5% weapon handling.

[ornate tiger]

So sad

[tardy prism]

Reflex sight

[gusty willow]

Not kind of mod he was asking for

[tardy prism]

there is no mods for weapon handling only attachments on the weapons

[long sky]

When I'm in a raid group I'll ask if everyone's got their bp trophies if not I'll show them where to get them

And I'll explain the raid if needed

[zenith plinth]

i would love to try a raid. last year i tried and we failed. if anyone ever has a free spot?

[long sky]

Just hop on #lfg-raid-pc

Just put lfg fresh ih or dh

And watch which rvs are looking for players

[trail oriole]

Look for people forming groups in the channel Saph mentioned, and tell them you're new so they're not expecting you to actually know what you're doing. If you see a post that says KWTD, or no keys no loot, those are not the kinda group you're looking for.

[craggy meadow]

If ppl wanna raid ... send me a DM and i will give you more info... Whe have a big and great group and always wanna help ppl

[lilac pagoda]

guys, i am wondering where can i find a detail speed run guide and how it works? thx!

[vagrant wing]

there's no such guide per say

there're couple videos for some encounters, but it's more of a knowledge passes between ppl than anything else

[lilac pagoda]

ye, that's sad, i am trying to find out if my dodge holster build is able to do the iron horse 2nd boss speed run, i have 60M damage with full buff headshoot but it seems that is not enough

i doubt what else do i need

[vagrant wing]

well for more detailed questions you better go to the speed run server

[tawdry widget]

As with every speedrun, your build matters as much as the team compositon/buffs, those 60M will be greatly enhanced by, for example, an achilles pulse overcharged, that you, alone, can't reproduce.

[tawdry widget]

So, I would say you need 7 other players. You alone won't be able to reproduce much.

[long sky]

You can do ih with 4 people but damn shure gotta know what your doing

[vagrant wing]

hmmmm? if that was a comment on Chino's words, that's not really related. The subject was speedrunning, in which you need 8 ppl. period. If i misunderstood you - i apologize

[long sky]

No just a statement and yes you need 8 for speed my clans got it down to under22 mins for ih

[empty furnace]

Looking for a group to run dark hours need to get my weekly keys

[zinc leaf]

me too

[magic fulcrum]

Use #lfg-raid-console

[tender hollow]

how do you do the unfriendly fire merit(commendation)? says eliminate heavy immobilizer with auto cannon but the auto cannon only targets the train

[vagrant wing]

you have to draw one of them (the initial one would be the easiest) to the middle ish and strip him off his armor (survivalist bolts/40mm grenades are good for that) and just wait for the turret to spin

[tender hollow]

ahhh, thanks

[tough sigil]

does anyone know if the raids drop exotics

[tender hollow]

On both RAID ends if you find keys you can get Eagle Bearer exotic on dark hours on Iron horse it's ravenous and regulus it's have a chance if Iam telling it how it is sorry for bad English 😂

[tough sigil]

thanks and thats okay

[muted horizon]

Actually that's not quite accurate, Regulus is part of a Project, you can't just get a free version straight away.

the rest is correct tho.

[long sky]

When you do IH you'll get 5 projects
The 1st 2 are to donate bulwark and future initiatives gear. The 2nd 2 are to donate all kinds of different gear.. The 5th and final project is to collect The pieces of the regulos from the bosses and last piece from the chest.

Turn it all in at whitehouse

[agile plaza]

and here i thought it was just the first 2 projects. now i need to raid more

[long sky]

it may just appear as wierd gear

[strange loom]

both raids drop exotics, to get the Regulus however you will need to complete some projects by donating future initiative gear and foundry bulwark gear, the backpacks and chest pieces for the future and bulwark gear sets are exclusive to the iron horse raid though

[tacit summit]

can anyone help i need to be invited to raids to help me get the exotic drops eg eagle bearer etc thanks

[magic fulcrum]

Use #lfg-raid-xb1

[cosmic ember]

can a TP tank build survive in the 2nd boss inside or FB is reuired

plan to use TP+scorpio+opportunistic

to increase the dmg recieved

while team mates outside use nego stacks

[vagrant wing]

depends on your interpretation of 'survive', and the time you want to be there. Would you be able to reach fire immunity? sure! would you survive for 20 min straight? no (and that applies to pretty much every tank build tbh)

[vagrant wing]

opp doesn't work that way btw. You'll have to tp+scorpio the specific add they're shooting and not the boss itself

[cosmic ember]

oh really the incoming dmg from nego wont get boosted due to the buffs. sad 😦

how about i debuff the boss and we get head hunters for the dmg?

thier dmg amplified by head hunter my debuffs would cause the dmg to be amplified further ir will tht be capped to headhunter cap

[vagrant wing]

again dmg what exactly? the boss? he'll reach immunity and won't be damageable when he's at 4 bars. an add? you'll have you use your buff on that specific add.
Also generally speaking you don't need that HH

[cosmic ember]

dmg boss i meant. oh I thought if the dmg is high enough would be able to 1 shot the boss going past the 4 bar immunity like in razor back could dmg the complete chunk if both front and back side hit at the same time

[dim wharf]

The trick your talking about is using ND to damage the kill the boss. At 4 bars of health fieser will become immune and go heal to full health if the gun isn't melted first. The trick is to mark fieser with ND, bring fieser to 4 bars where he becomes immune, then do enough damage to other enemies you transfer enough crit damage to kill fieser before he heals to full health. ND is used because the transfered damage still applies even when enemies are otherwise immune. Putting damage increasing effects on fieser doesn't matter because he's not the one that the damage is being done to, he's immune. If you want to apply those effects you would need to apply those to the ads your damaging to transfer to fieser.

[dim wharf]

https://youtu.be/wOg_0CGn4Fk

[cosmic ember]

yeah i was thinking to enhance this strat with the debuffs but tht wont work as debuffs to boss wont effect the dmg(didnt know tht) problem with putting the debuffs to npcs is that they will die too early

[crude onyx]

that is why they use lvl 30 scorpio

[vagrant wing]

literally one msg above you 🙂

[west spruce]

You can use level 1 Lullaby with opportunistic if you worry about npc dying too early @cosmic ember , but generally 130m+ health doesn't really require any debuff on the NPC if other buffs are taken into account

[thick gull]

im looking to get into doing raiding on pc to get the blueprints at least, as a skill build player, getting into raids again, what will i need to get into Iron Horse? ive done Dark Hours on ps4

[viscid fossil]

a red build until you get the healer

[cobalt igloo]

What is build for jammer DH other than 4piece HW + wyvern glasscanon + btsu?

[echo burrow]

HW is pretty standard as you need the CD reset just make sure you have enough dmg to kill the drones you can run like overwatch on the chest too to provide team buff

[vagrant wing]

You can go the high end route - BUT it requires pretty much all god rolls (including god-rolled/close to it mods). if you interested - lmk and i'll dm it to you. It won't hold if your team has 3 rav players tho

[dim wharf]

If your just trying to avoid running GC you can run kinetic momentum instead and have em ugh damage to take out drones

[signal basin]

I use a Wyvern Kinetic Momentum with max skill damage and some repair skills to help the healer hive

[cobalt igloo]

ive meaning to change the hard wire build.. i suck at its 10sec cd timing

[west spruce]

@cobalt igloo BTSU overcharge should be able to help you with the timing once in a while, but probably not every time; if you aren't comfortable at juggling the Hardwired Feedback Loop, you may try going 4 piece FI with Skill Damage roll, paired with 2 Empress Named Chest and Backpack (Perfectly Calculated and Perfectly Skilled); this is RNG on proccing your Jammer cooldown by either talent as you charge up your jammer from cover.

[zinc leaf]

w t f wrong with use momento in raid ???

[tawdry widget]

you need to get the kills yourself for the tokens to drop

if there's 7 other people killing stuff, then you won't kill anything, thus not getting any tokens

a backpack with Vigilance is far better than Memento, no only in raid but while in group

that's valid for any gear that has an "on kill" mechanic to activate its talent

they're ok while playing solo, not ok in group especially in raid, where you want the highest available dps output without having to kill anything

[zinc leaf]

hmm cheers

[zinc leaf]

how about scorpio build

[tawdry widget]

depends on the boss and where you're placed

[zinc leaf]

thats means there is no right and wrong

[tawdry widget]

do you know what the sleigher is?

the christmas smg that shoots snow balls

you can do the raid with it, is it an efficient way of doing it? nop. can you do it? sure.

that's the same thing with using A or B

what I think you're not seeing the big picture is that a raid is an 8 person thing, not a 1 person thing

so ideally you'll be running things that help the whole group

[brazen stone]

sitting on 222% HSD, could I be of decent use in a Raid?

[tawdry widget]

going back to the memento, even if you get tokens, that will help you, with some survivability, but not the group

same with scorpio, if you're placed in first boss DH on door 40, for example, you can even use a hunter's fury there with a scorpio

[zinc leaf]

for get about momento

[tawdry widget]

sure as hell no NPC is going to come out of there, and that is good

[zinc leaf]

better use any gold pice with galvanize

[tawdry widget]

now let's take 3rd boss IH, a scorpio is good in the hands of the healer, for the 20+ damage from the buff, but apart from that, you won't do much damage to the boss itself

[zinc leaf]

I am changing my whole build

[tawdry widget]

3x providence, 1x sombra, 1x fox prayers, 1x coyote/ceska/fenris (if you use an AR)

[zinc leaf]

but as you said its a 8 people game

[tawdry widget]

that's the proven DPS build that always works

there are variations, you can do different builds, but it always depends on what boss we're talking about and where you're placed

[zinc leaf]

so your recommend is to bring healer , dps , tank and support loadouts

[tawdry widget]

with what main weapon and what build?

[brazen stone]

Mantis Build, 6 Mil Damage every headshot, I can hit them pretty consistently.

[tawdry widget]

yes and no, if you know how to play all those roles, yes, bring them. if you don't know how to play with them, no point in bringing them, honestly

[muted horizon]

What do you have your other stats put into?

[tawdry widget]

nop, you won't get any kills with the mantis

that's a long range build, raids are mostly close combat / mid range

[brazen stone]

Mostly Red, just making builds with whatever I could scrap up.

Ah Alr

[muted horizon]

Okay so yeah, what Chino' said about the build, but also in general: don't use crit stats on an MMR.

[tawdry widget]

while you're trying to get 1 headshot, other people will already have killed that NPC and moved on

[zinc leaf]

so everything is situational then

[muted horizon]

remember: Raids are Heroic level enemies.
if you can consistently solo Heroic with some speed, you should be fine.

[zinc leaf]

ok thanks for helping

[brazen stone]

obviously not, I have it all tuned to HSD, some crit, since I can't optimize or recal stuff.

[zinc leaf]

appreciate it
cheers

[tawdry widget]

yes, the bosses themselves are different. I have different builds for different bosses, but then again, I've done the raids a couple hundred times and play with people I know

[muted horizon]

Yes exactly, don't use crit on an MMR. Like, ever.
crit is bad on an MMR. Real bad.

but this is off-topic, MMRs aren't (really) useful in Raids. A good crit ar/lmg/smg DPS build will serve you way better.

[brazen stone]

👍

[muted horizon]

Just do what most first-timers do: throw on the Full Meta Jacket setup and that'll help carry you quite nicely.

[brazen stone]

no meta bad

!!!!

[muted horizon]

You doing alright there bud?

[brazen stone]

meta bad!!! grrrr

[muted horizon]

it's the name of a build put together by the fine folks of this discord.
you can find it in #td2-build-advice > pinned-message > spreadsheet > hub tab.

it's basically the "starter lvl 40 DPS". Teaches you how brandsets + crit works.

[vagrant wing]

Rivens is right here. Trying to re-invent the wheel isn't always a good thing. That being said tho, if you don'l like to use the 'meta' builds, a Rifle/AR hsd build will be just as good even tho harder to play

[muted horizon]

^
"to re-invent the wheel, first you 'gotta invent the wheel".

[tender hollow]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s332/client/snv?noteGuid=17a0ac12-60c8-482a-8195-20f295b79518&noteKey=3b2c6e34ee648b82&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs332%2Fsh%2F17a0ac12-60c8-482a-8195-20f295b79518%2F3b2c6e34ee648b82&title=Full%2BMeta%2BJacket%2B%2528TU11%2529 Full meta jacket build can be used for all encounters, using your preferred chest talent and skills
In some cases Hunters Fury is better in certain positions, but in some cases like 3rd boss IH and last boss DH, its horrible.

[long sky]

It's the 1 I run all the time

[tawdry widget]

Hello, can you imagine, you're either a bot, have been hacked or both. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tender hollow]

I played IH today, got future backpack for Regulus and now I'm ready to collect exotic parts for it in IH. I need to wait for weekly reset right?

[magic fulcrum]

if youve done this weeks raid and finished the projects then yes

[tough trench]

You will only get the last one if you open the chest again this week. All the other pieces after reset

[tender hollow]

Ok, thanks!

But I guess I can't open the chest at the end since I already collected keys this week and opened it. So I guess I'll wait for reset. This gun sure takes a while!

[safe cosmos]

You can still farm keys from the final boss

Although quite time consuming

[humble plover]

Hi all. Would like to get Ravenous but know nothing about IH. Would someone help me get it?

[muted horizon]

You're looking for #lfg-raid-pc

[swift peak]

just watch this to get you up to speed on what to do: https://youtu.be/N9yrl_aydTg

(that was a joke btw, but it's worth doing at least a little research so you have some idea of what you're doing and why, your teammates will appreciate it)

[long sky]

@humble plover when you cOmplete ih for the 1st time you'll get 5 projects on the 5th project you get the regulos

[rigid onyx]

👀❤️

[light yew]

Is this the discord where can get help for completing the raids?

[magic fulcrum]

yes

and the good place to ask is in #lfg-raid-console

[waxen rain]

can somebody give me the code- screen picture for ih boss 2 and the cogs picture for ih boss 3 real quick

[tawdry widget]

https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Division-2-Error-Codes.jpg

https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Division-2-Furnace-Discs.jpg

[waxen rain]

somebody sent me , thank you very much

[long sky]

Cogs and screens change all the time

[vagrant wing]

i think they probably wanted to explain how to read the codes and how to 'blindly' turn the cogs. They now it changes on each load

[long sky]

Ok the blind turns they look at the cogs count number of spaces away that's where you'll see like b69,e76,y98

@vagrant wing or they're looking for the screen master code,where they just call ascreen

[undone aspen]

Can anyone tell how to get ironworks base materials

[slate scroll]

do the IH raid its a boss drop

[long sky]

If everything goes right you'll run the ih raid 5x and you'll have the regulos

I run it once a week for the hell of it

And DH

[viscid fossil]

blind cog turns is you turning cogs until you hear the lock

[lunar hull]

has anyone heard this line before?

True Sons Sniper: Moving out
Colonel Morosova: Is the asset secure?
True Sons Sniper: Yes ma'am. I'll make sure the Division doesn't get their hands on it.

[magic fulcrum]

No?

I’ve never heard that before

[long sky]

Now I'm gonna have to actually start listening

Afternoon champion eevee

Long time no see

Hope your doing good

@lunar hull important question where did you hear it???

[lunar hull]

I've said this like 3 times, sniper room ih

[long sky]

Tyvm

[ornate tiger]

its heard if u have not completed sniper alley but all the waves of ad spawns are dead i think

[magic fulcrum]

use #lfg-raid-pc

[long sky]

@lunar hull just got the clip 🤔

[lunar hull]

?

[lunar hull]

Nope

Everyone died but me

[long sky]

Someone sent me the clip

[stiff zephyr]

Yeh I've heard that, there are quite a few voice lines if your going slow enough at points. I'm kind of interested to document them all

[placid skiff]

by the way what does RV mean in the lfg chats

wait im dumb raid voice im guessing

[hot jolt]

exactly what you said

[long sky]

You said it not me

F you stop and think of it, you would be able to kill/obliterate the guy behind the glass in boss 3 of ih

Before he shoots the guy in the head

[simple peak]

Hi guys how to find people for a raid pls ?

[valid marlin]

Check #lfg-raid-pc

[simple peak]

thanks you !

[untold peak]

So, there was a skip that was available on Morozova once she died, which would allow a bypass of her "death scream" in order to fire the RPG at the exact moment she died and end the raid. This was a timesave that was allowed because of a recent maintenance (around 4 weeks ago) and world record times have been set, in part, **because **of this skip. The problem that the speedrunning community has now is that with the most recent maintenance, this skip has been eliminated and any future runs that try and break the IH WR will be completely dead.

In speedrunning every single second counts, and although it was only a ~10 second skip it has all but eliminated any possibility of new teams gunning for world record times. Is there any possibility of having this skip re-introduced, even if only to encourage competition and raid replayability? I know this may not be seen by or reach Ubi/Massive, but I have to try.

[exotic umbra]

is that why I can't get some people to come online and play IH anymore

[wet cave]

This. Iron Horse Speedrunning community may be small, but we are very dedicated to the game, and the loss of ten seconds is a big deal to some teams. Would appreciate a fix.

[gusty willow]

Well to be fair that was the fix 😢

[untold peak]

True, but on the flip side of that coin, I could understand the need for a fix if it was game-breaking, but all that people are doing is shooting an RPG to end the raid once the final boss is dead. I don't believe there was any need for it to be patched.

[gusty willow]

Ohh absolutely, that should have not been on priority list for fixing but it might as well not been intended as fix. who knows at this point

[crude onyx]

why would that need a fix, seperate records on build versions and done

[untold peak]

Evidently times aren't separated by different versions, so a reversion would be the only way to fix this issue.

[long sky]

Did not need fixed

[ornate crescent]

Will raid keys reset exactly after 1 week or along with the black tusk invasion reset??

[tough trench]

Every Tuesday

[ornate crescent]

OK THANKS

[brisk acorn]

Heyy guysi want to do the raid in normal mode but its set on discovery how to change it cant seem to find a option or anything in that matter

[crude sonnet]

Ya gotta make a new one and select it in the menu.

[brisk acorn]

@crude sonnet like be a raid leader.

[crude sonnet]

Yep.

[shadow solstice]

tank build:95% hazard protection 1.5m armor 3 skill tire.
is this good build or not?

[viscid fossil]

fo what?

[shadow solstice]

for ih boss 2 and 3

hazard build

[tawdry widget]

depends on your regen rate, if your team is fast enough with the codes and if you have The Ravenous to get extra armor. not sure why the 3 skill tiers instead of just armor cores, too. but strictly talking about the hazard, 95% will make you immune to everything you need in IH.

[shadow solstice]

i have ravenous

[viscid fossil]

noobie question does status effects oxidyser?

[vagrant wing]

On the off chance you're serious (😉 ) - no. Oxi is pure skill dmg. It doesn't 'create' SE

[viscid fossil]

nah i just forgot lol so just skill haste and damage for oxy

[swift peak]

I heard that dtooc does affect it, though

[viscid fossil]

dtooc and dta

[wise pilot]

Looking for people to help me with operation dark hours (PS4)

[icy hull]

wrong channel, please use the LFG raid one.

[wise pilot]

Oh my bad 😅

Thanks

[spring prism]

for the negotiators build, what attributes do you want on the gear pieces? full chc/chd or headshot damage?

[fluid pier]

Depends on what you're using it for. Are you looking for the standard one-shot version or the diamondback version etc.?

[spring prism]

im gonna pretend like i know what youre talking about and respond with yes

im gonna guess i dont need chc since someone is gonna run coyote's with long buff

[fluid pier]

I'm guessing you're looking for the IH Boss 2 one-shot version. If you have someone you can rely on to proc Coyote's long buff for you then yes, you can afford to lower the CHC you have on your build and stack more HSD onto it. However, because the Ravenous exists, there really isn't too much need to stack HSD and you can just stack up with however much CHC you need to reach 60% and then throw the rest into HSD. I personally find that the way to go unless I NEED the HSD to reach a certain dmg threshold since I'd rather not rely on someone else to give me CHC especially in LFG.

[spring prism]

do you want foxes prayer or contractors?

[vagrant wing]

it's about what you want 🙃

[spring prism]

which one perfoms better

[vagrant wing]

neither actually

PCG is where it's at

[spring prism]

they're both good or both bad?

well yes, but on top of that

[vagrant wing]

you simply can't fit them in the build 🤷‍♂️

[spring prism]

you cant?

[vagrant wing]

think this through a bit... PCG & exo holster...

[spring prism]

oh with the exo holster

thats where im having a problem

gotcha tyty

[vagrant wing]

np. all of this is following the assumption Lunar made earlier (i.e. we're talking about the one shot build for Fieser)

[spring prism]

yeah

i didnt even think about dodge city tbh

[echo burrow]

@spring prism 4pc nego sacrifice and dodge city. If you're doing rav/d50 you want to have 60% chance and all HSD since you're hitting achilies mark

[upbeat raptor]

Do people use the LFG chat or do you simply just join a random open raid chat? Reddit has a mix of both responses.

[swift peak]

a bit of both, although you'd want to confirm the players in the chat were on the same system as you, I think most of them tend to end up being PC players

[dim wharf]

For PC just jump into an open raid chat. For PS4/5 and Xbox people generally just use the consoles party chats.

[upbeat raptor]

Ah, didn’t realize selecting PS5 wouldn’t unlock PS5 exclusive discord chats. Noted. Guess my odds of finding a IH raid are slim to none. 🤣

[swift peak]

Yeah it's harder on consoles, maybe try Reddit if the lfg channel is too quiet

[tender hollow]

Can I do raids with a status effect build? Or not enough dps

[crude sonnet]

Status effect is hardly feasible. Only works on 1 specific boss. For example, in the Dark hours raid, it works on the 3rd boss. In the Iron Horse raid, it works on the first boss a bit. Generally useless I'm afraid 😦

[normal mirage]

Status effect on buddy and Lucy?

[crude sonnet]

Oxi and shock trap can chip away quite fast

[echo burrow]

Oxi isn't a status

[crude sonnet]

You don't get a status icon but it's DOT

[tender hollow]

What better for an Oxy build for LFGs, e.g. just Skill Damage and Skill Haste or some Skill Effects or Duration?

[strange loom]

for lfg skill haste and skill dmg, for speeds skill duration and dmg

[tender hollow]

I was in a raid and seven players disconnected at the same time (all not responding)

[echo burrow]

Yeah so status has no effect on it

[verbal mist]

Go to lfg on Xbox . I find raids all day

[verbal mist]

I run sd and haste with all duration mods . I also run 3 empress

[echo burrow]

You replied to the wrong person?

[verbal mist]

Oops 😬

[echo burrow]

Xd

[verbal mist]

I’m old so that’s my excuse

[upbeat raptor]

For PS5? Lol. 🤣

[violet igloo]

raid en francais ?

pour pc

[brisk moon]

Hi guys can i Cath the eagle bear in exo cath ..cuz my nemesis ..drop in exo box?? Or no must go to raid in normal level?

[frigid hearth]

eagle in drops in dark horse

[hot jolt]

no, since the eagle bearer is a raid exclusive and can't drop outside of dark hours on normal difficulty (if i'm not mistaken)

[brisk moon]

Yes u right

But why the nemesis ..drop in exo box ?? Im so confused 🤔🤔🤔

[hot jolt]

because it's part of the general loot pool

[brisk moon]

But you are right and dont mistake

Aha

Yes i have blue print

[hot jolt]

that explains it then

[brisk moon]

I must catch eagle weapon ..its so nice

[frigid hearth]

which dps build people usually expect in raids?

[vagrant wing]

head over to #td2-build-advice and look at the pinned comments. The last one has a data sheet with various things on it, there're some starters builds there too

[frigid hearth]

well this is a raid specific gear and i want the best, that's why i asked in here 😄

[vagrant wing]

you asked about what ppl expect in raids 🙂
ppl expect the builds listed there... if you want more specialized builds/ the 'best' builds for said encounters etc make sure you rephrase

[frigid hearth]

@vagrant wingyeah, my actual question is should i use contractor or not if i want maximum damage in an AR-rifle crit-dps build - people are saying different things

[vagrant wing]

imho - if we're talking from a raid perspective, than yeah contractors will give you the best dmg output

there're multiple dmg calculators out there you can use to convince yourself (to either side), and if you don't find any, and trust me enough i can send you an excel sheet to play with

[frigid hearth]

yeah, my problem with contractor like i skip on the petrov bonus - for example if i use gruppo instead of this i trade 8% damage to armor into 27% extra chd - seems like a huge difference, but maybe it's not true, because of chd diminishing returns 😄

i also wonder how those calculators count stacked up damage like strained and obliterate?

[vagrant wing]

first of all - you're comparing additive dmg vs. multiplicative dmg which isn't smart to begin with (assuming we're talking about NPC with armor ofc)
in my testing, depending on the build 8% multiplicative is equal to roughly 23-24% additive dmg
an second as you said - you're not criting every time so there's that (we'll have to calculate the dmg per mag for that)

[vagrant wing]

they usually either count them as 'at max stacks' or ignore them

[frigid hearth]

you are right that i don't always crit - but also i don't always shoot armors - like health, razor weak points, etc

[vagrant wing]

that's true, but again from a raid perspective - most adds you'll see will have armor.... as for razor, heavies or dogs - use the ravenous

[frigid hearth]

i use classic m1a with boomerang 😄 but yeah, good point on that

so maybe it's all the same and 1-2% difference i won't even notice

[vagrant wing]

what all the same?

[frigid hearth]

gruppo with +27% chd and contractor with 8% amor damage

[vagrant wing]

but it's not?

[frigid hearth]

you said 8% means 23-24% - and it's 27

so should be nearly the same?

if we count the not always crit and not always hit armor part too

another thing i can't decide if i should use eagle or famas, and which talent 😄 strained or fast hands

[vagrant wing]

i don't see it that way. no.
what would you prefer to kill first a red add? or an add with armor? and how fast do you want to kill each one?

[frigid hearth]

i think i'd want to kill the red fist, because they go down way faster and i heard they do the same damage? ( never tested that though)

[vagrant wing]

the EB is bad in general (the lack of an offensive talent, it's niche talent and low rpm put it behind the famas in terms of burst dmg)
as for the talent - with the famas you won't be able to proc strained all the way unless you prefire. Fast hands is a decent choice as well as in sync or optimist

[vagrant wing]

well i disagree but to each their own i guess

[frigid hearth]

you use 3x chc on the famas as a mod, right? since if i switch from eagle to famas i need to lower my chc a bit

and i don't like putting chd on a gun

[vagrant wing]

i personally don't use ARs builds on the raid - but yeah you want chc on all of the attachments

oh i forgot - the EB 3rd attr isn't DTooC which is bad

[frigid hearth]

but has 10 more bullets 😄 but i like famas better anyways

[vagrant wing]

but has 10 more bullets
so?

[stiff zephyr]

Thats like saying the bk is good because you don't reload

[tender hollow]

The best dps build is different for each boss/each encounter/role/team. A decent build you can use everywhere is the Full Meta Jacket, which is pinned in build-advice

[proven summit]

Hello

[thorny bison]

What are the 6 pieces you're wearing? You should be able to wear grupo and contractors

[buoyant hazel]

Is there anything like blind raiding in the game? Id like to go into a raid with 8 fresh players and figure it out ourselves, just hit world tier 5 so looking for something cool to do.

[vagrant wing]

both raids have been out for quite some time now and although i do see new players in the game - most of em are just interested in the exotics (i.e. want carries mostly). You can try to find ppl with the same mindset but i think it would be kinda hard

[buoyant hazel]

Ok thanks. I guess ill try and look. I just wont enjoy the raid as much I think if someone just tells me what to do. I think it would be really fun to try and learn it for the first time.

[vagrant wing]

good luck 🙂

[tender hollow]

You can also try out Discovery mode for both raids. However the mechanics are different and it is a bit easier. Generally in Discovery around 4 to 6 people will be newish.

[buoyant hazel]

👍 Thanks

[wet cave]

Careful what you wish for. Bring eight new players to Dark Hours and you probably won’t get past Boomer (Boss 1). But I get what you’re saying, it could be a fun challenge for a group to learn the raid together.

[clear walrus]

Are raids always done with 8 players, or lesser number can also play?

[signal basin]

8

[hot jolt]

you can play with less than 8, but 8 makes things easier (assuming everyone knows what they're doing and have the right builds)

[tender hollow]

Well not True if you have new players that can listen and do what they have to do you can easily complete the raid I know it from experience

[wet cave]

Yeah, it can definitely be done. I was imagining a situation of eight players who had never done the raid and had just watched a few YouTube videos.

[tender hollow]

Yes I've got in that situation and after 10 tries quitted because they spawned and instantly started shooting from machine gun

[buoyant hazel]

Yeah I hear you, I doubt it will be easy. No YouTube either ideally. Just want us to figure it out.

[swift peak]

have a look at some of the 'world first' times for when the raids were first released - dedicated groups of experienced players took several hours to make their way through

[buoyant hazel]

Yeah thats what I would expect a few hours some nights for a a few weeks.

[swift peak]

I suspect it would be difficult to put together a group of people determined enough to resist the temptation to just look up the solutions

[dim wharf]

I'd say your two best bets would be to find a clan that hasn't done it but wants to, or matchmake into discovery and find a group of people there who want to do the full thing.

[vivid karma]

Anyone fancy taking me and a buddy through some raids or have a raid clan I can join

[lunar hull]

i would if you werent console

[lunar hull]

you can solo 1st boss both raids, then afterwards i think the bare minimum is 4 for dark hours in a hella skilled group, while iron horse its 5

[vagrant wing]

*4 as well. although ofc as you said - they have to know what they are doing in perfect details. there're some vids showing that out there

[long sky]

Yes its 4 for both, I saw it on Twitter once. Hey champion eevee

And yes they did every advantage you could think of

[clear walrus]

Can it work if a player doesn't knows what they're doing? I would only be doing it because of the trophies

[long sky]

Just let everyone know your new and your good

Once you do ih in full your going to get new projects todo

[waxen ridge]

I'm a returning player.. did IH a few days ago, wasn't too bad. My 2nd run-through I just played slow & learnt how to defeat the bosses. By the end of the Raid there was only 3 of us alive. 😂🤦

[crude sonnet]

On console eh

[fiery eagle]

Need to run IH, but no one is available

[narrow sleet]

You might want to check reddit, I think the raid lfg for PS4 in this server is a bit dead

[long sky]

Ps4 is very hard to get a raid and from what I hear there picky

Sorry😩

[stone magnet]

What's the format for the LFG raid chat? Also am I too low of level at SHD-100?

[hot jolt]

are you asking about the abbreviations used in lfg raid chat? regarding your second question: it's relatively low (in my opinion), but not a nightmare, as long as you have a solid dps build and are willing to communicate (these two things are what i consider to be much more important than shd level)

[fluid pier]

Nah SHD level doesn't matter too much in this game. You could be SHD-10 and still be more helpful than someone SHD-1000. Just throw on an all red dps build, listen to whoever's raid leading, and be flexible and you'll be fine.

[stone magnet]

First question was indeed about abbreviations but I can hash those out as I go. Thanks for the info in regards to the second one as well. I know Discovery mode is nowhere near the difficulty of a full raid so I figure it'd be a lot of listening to raid leader to not be dead weight

[dim wharf]

If you just wait for someone to directly invite you, you'll probably be waiting forever. just keep an eye out for someone saying LF(x) (looking for x number of players) RV(x) (raid voice channel x) DH (dark hours)/IH (iron horse). When you see a group with open spots just jump in and ask who you need to add, then add them on uplay. make sure your name in the discord channel matches uplay. Let people know your new so they can explain what you need to do and what your role is for each boss.

[narrow sleet]

The things that as a raid leader I would look out for in a player is that they need to have a build that can output enough DPS to effectively kill adds and bosses. The FMJ in the pinned spreadsheet in #td2-build-advice is good for this. The second is to listen and to follow. Please be listening at all times in order to know where you are assigned and what do you have to do. The last thing is to please ask when you are not sure, I would rather take 5 mins to explain something rather than having to retry a section 5-6 times.

[stone magnet]

o7 rgr that

[long sky]

LFG=Looking For Group,,RV=Raid Voice,,, fresh and keys are sort of the same,start from the beginning.

[hot jolt]

@stone magnet One more abbreviation you'll see quite a bit is KWTD, which stands for: Know What To Do (that means the host is looking for experienced players, so avoid those raid groups for now)

[dull cliff]

So I'm probably hella stupid for asking this, but how would Bighorn hold up against Boomer on a red build?

I was doing some maths and stuff, so correct me if I'm wrong but I was hitting 500-800k consistently, in a 40 round mag that is around the 20-30 million dmg mark. Obviously that isn't counting how long boomer sits down for during the damage phase but I'm just curious

[oak mica]

would it be okay to run a full red build if i'm doing control room on IH boss 2? i'm watching some guides that recommend a healer build but i don't have one, but still wanna try the control room so i'm not stuck doing the same roles all the time

[west spruce]

@dull cliff I think it would be fine as long as you are able to maximize your damage output by ramping up the Bighorn headshot multiplier in AR mode, before switching to Rifle mode for damaging Boomer. Regardless, Boomer fight is more about adds control than dealing high burst damage to Boomer so if you can comfortably clear adds with it I don't really see an issue with your weapon of choice.

[dull cliff]

Alrighty thank you, I've just been having issues with raids due to randoms so I'm just trying to switch my roles up and see how flexible I can be if need be

[signal basin]

I’d stick with a healer build. All red DPS will die very quickly in there. I’ve seen it and had it happen to me. Healer is very important in there.

[oak mica]

okay thanks! i guess i'll rough up a future initiative build and get at least skill tier 6

[signal basin]

If you don’t have the chest, teams could be reluctant to let someone new run it. Get a four piece anyway with Murakami chest with empathic resolve and a Alps backpack with opportunistic or safeguard. You can also switch those if needed.

[oak mica]

thanks a lot for the advice! guess that's what i'll be farming for until i can get them. for now i'll just stick to doing the work downstairs then

[signal basin]

There is a perfect Alps backpack for sale at the WH vendor with excellent repair skills attribute and opportunistic already. Just roll skill haste on it.

[oak mica]

thanks ^^ i just picked it up. i'm guessing status effects is kinda moot?

[signal basin]

Yeah, not for a healer build. Skill haste is best.

[oak mica]

okay gotcha! just gotta farm the chest piece then and start getting better skill haste stuff to pull from

[signal basin]

Good luck. Happy hunting

[manic zenith]

What builds will work in raid? Does full metal jacket dps build with famas is going to work?

[stiff zephyr]

it's the main one to use yes

[tender hollow]

Scorpio works fine too for taking down ads

[stiff zephyr]

if you don't have any raid specific build like healer or haz tank use that.

[manic zenith]

Not im afraid aim still improving my first and only dps build so far. Thanks!

How do I look for dark hour raid mates? And how long does approximately it takes?

[tender hollow]

Dark Hours usually takes about 40 minutes to complete, sometimes a bit longer. I usually count an hour if I'm running with a couple First timers.

Look for raid mates in #lfg-raid-console

[muted horizon]

Although once you're more experienced, that time can be cut down quite a lot.
just gotta practice.

[manic zenith]

Thanks

[tender hollow]

Can you get raid chest backpacks in discovery?

[signal basin]

No

[tender hollow]

Not even parts?

[vagrant wing]

what do you mean by 'parts'?

[tranquil bramble]

No

[tender hollow]

The materials

For the project

[vagrant wing]

there're 2 type of 'materials'. Base materials and alloys. Base materials can only be acquired in normal mode while alloys can be acquired in discovery (if i remember correctly)

[muted horizon]

Think of Discovery mode as easier, but Normal is where you go to actually get the rewards.
Exotics, Projects, Loot, all the good stuff is in Normal.