#td2-raid-discussions

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odd star
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heres my times from raid report, idk where you get "hell of a lot more"

icy hull
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maybe hes talking about the world 1st time?

atomic nova
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Your saying worlds first raids

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Are less than an hr

odd star
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no?

icy hull
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ahhh okay hes talking about normal raids now (not world 1st runs) in that part FYI.

odd star
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yeah worlds first take like half a day and when people figure out all the stuff they take an hour or less

atomic nova
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Ok that makes more sence

icy hull
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yup, 2nd part has an implied part 😛

atomic nova
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I was going to say, worlds first runs for the average or high tier team are like 8+ hrs

odd star
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LW took 18 hours

atomic nova
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DSC was pretty easy once you picked up on the mechanics

odd star
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yeah quite fast

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like 5 hours or smth

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i mean the raid is fucking trash

atomic nova
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Though spire of stars was........

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When the ads just push you around instead of shooting you

odd star
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spire was also like 5-6 hours

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i liked spire

atomic nova
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The day 1 experience there was hellish, that man was just shooting nukes at you

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Ac130 up in this bih

odd star
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that was before my time, started with new light, dropped 1k hours in the first year and beyond light fucked the game up and i stopped playing

atomic nova
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PvP is just like......

odd star
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pvp in destiny is trash tier

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fucking built in aim assist on pc is a joke

atomic nova
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Lemme plug in a controller on PC and use arbelest

odd star
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nah not even that

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just grab titan, a shotgun, turn off your monitor and you will still win the game

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its that brain dead

atomic nova
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Clyoclasm slide with felwinters

odd star
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yep

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everytime i had to do IB for pinnacles i died inside

atomic nova
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Yeeeepppp

warm wren
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@short pecan Please use the LFG section. This channel is for discussing the raid, not making a group.

short pecan
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Ook

iron perch
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play raid ?

icy hull
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Wrong channel, please use the LFG raid channel @empty latch

empty latch
dim sky
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is there only 1 chance in a week to get exclusive set pieces?or I can farm it?

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I mean raids

gloomy timber
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is there any purpose to raiding once youve acquired the exotics?

dim sky
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I didnt get future inivative chest piece

tender hollow
icy hull
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^^

remote void
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A question: Do i have to wait till next reset to get the Gold bar part of the regulus since i have done the raid this week already?

vagrant wing
remote void
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Oh so even the other parts only drop when the bosses themselves drop their weekly loot?

vagrant wing
outer lark
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Is there a new speeds strat for razorback? Cause ive seen some very fast times which arent possible the "casual" way

tranquil island
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I've asked this in a few places but i'll ask here, is the EB worth the grind ? I understand its meant as a reward to completing the harder content but as someone who finds it hard to be in groups i havent completed a raid. I enjoy the game im just now stuck with what else to do, im left with raids and legendaries.

signal basin
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I like the EB. It’s enjoyable for me.

near ginkgo
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Hi guys, i want to ask about the regulus. To complete the Project " Rats Gnaw our Bones" you need to collect all the revolver parts from the raid bosses,right? Yesterday i completed the raid none revolver parts dropped from any boss but i got the 5th part from the crate. I tried a second run but it was the same again..none part dropped. Is it bug or am i doin something wrong?

signal basin
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It needs to be a fresh run. When the refresh happens next Tuesday, that’s when you can collect the other pieces.

vagrant wing
near ginkgo
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oh really?! damn..thanks for the info

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thank you all,guys!!

signal basin
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Sure

grim pike
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can somebody explain the code in lfg raid to me?

vagrant wing
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code?

grim pike
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LFP DH Fresh RV1

vagrant wing
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LF # M== looking for # members
DH == dark hours
IH == iron horse
RV # == raid voice #

flint iris
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use the respective lfg channels for your platforms please

grim pike
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bruh

vagrant wing
grim pike
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and the number?

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ah the channel

vagrant wing
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yep

grim pike
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nice thx m8

tranquil island
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So whats a base bear bones Raid build, Dark Hours as im not bothered by the other.

vagrant wing
south wave
marble mesa
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I'd say famas>M4 but each to their own

vagrant wing
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math proves it too. You're absolutely right

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Also um you can't wear 7 pieces of gear sadly

verbal mist
tardy ridge
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I need help with all the raids haven't played in a while so my builds are out dated but willing to put in the work to get them better

long marsh
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if you are able to survive glass cannon is better than obliterate

thorny parrot
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Just got a god-rolled Police M4, what damage talent is best paired up with it? In-Sync, Strained, or Optimist?

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I hear its up there with famas, a good dps as

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ar

uneven garden
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In sync has highest dmg boost but need a sill to proc. Optimistic may be better than strained due to high RPM. Imo

flint iris
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Killer and fast hands work too

kindred moss
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fast hands is the highest sustained dps

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in sync works wonders if you can constantly proc skill damage or constantly use a skill (either assault turret or drone or use crusader/firewall shield and play smart by activating-deactivating it to constantly proc the 5 sec buff on "use")

severe ice
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Im still new, but, is it possible to find raid group with no exp ( only discover diff) and no voice?)

exotic sail
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Yup @severe ice

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Just matchmake

severe ice
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No, i mean im done with mm raids its only exp i have, but there no any rewards. Im askin is it possible to find raid with that exp for rewards in normal raids

exotic sail
tender hollow
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Famas has the highest dps. However its got a bit of recoil, so at mid to longer range you wont hit as many shots as a M4 or Carbine. I like Strained and Fast Hands on them. In Sync might even be better if your running a assault turrent/striker drone.

cloud pine
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@surreal chasm leave the room please

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@proud vector move to RV8

tender hollow
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stupid question but do you still get raid loot for every new char?

vagrant wing
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Yes

tender hollow
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awesome

tawdry jasper
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May I ask what is the benefit of keep farming boss 1 at IH

shrewd trail
heavy rivet
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bye

regal panther
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guys anyone up for the last phase on dh raid?

flint iris
undone spoke
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For the regular project do you have to wait till reset to finish if you already ran raid this week? (ping me when answered ty)

vocal delta
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will scropio work with razerback or any boss in raid?

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the extra damage

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@undone spoke yes wait

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for the exotic though if loots it is ok to farm

undone spoke
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OK

calm osprey
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Noogenater

proven elk
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?

quasi dragon
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do i need to complete the discovery raid before i can access normal raids?

muted horizon
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Nope!

quasi dragon
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ty!

velvet tide
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Do you only get the Foundry projects from normal RAID?

signal basin
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Yes. After the completion of both projects, you get the regulus project. That has to be completed on a fresh run to obtain all exotic components.

glacial summit
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hey, lfg dark hous raid normal

muted horizon
shell cobalt
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Is there some sort of a criteria to see if my build is raid ready?

tawdry widget
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@shell cobalt All red cores, with DPS talents, 50 chc + 150 chd.

shell cobalt
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Thank you!

muted horizon
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If you need more details, check the "Full Meta Jacket" build in the pinned (hub) message of build-advice. It's the kinda standard for beginners to the Raid.

coral ledge
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I need help, I basically never do raids and im gonna start doing them so I could get EB, but i still dont understand how to do the monitor thingie when you fight Boomer, can anyone help?

vagrant wing
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Youtube is your friend

weak elbow
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the monitors will show a letter, you have to hit the corresponding laptop(s) to prevent the shields from re-emerging.

vocal delta
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the number of letters will increase as boomer lose arrmor

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in the final two bar of arrmor it can be three or four computers lighting up

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i believe the time when they slow up is random, but maby in some pattern i didnt notice

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it mostly show up after you damage boomer

verbal mist
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@coral ledge monitor on boomer super easy . When the siren goes off there is a screen outside that will show a letter . Someone calls out letter and someone inside the area interacts with that letter

vernal frigate
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what are the best lmg in the raids

coral ledge
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Yea i know what someone calls out ive been in a carry raid and someone says it but where is the monitor thingie outside

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@verbal mist

verbal mist
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It’s a tv screen on outside at corner

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On the corner look for it prior to starting the encounter . I believe there’s two of them or more

vagrant wing
vernal frigate
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thanks

vagrant wing
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i'd suggest to not run any LMG builds tho. There're better alternatives

coral ledge
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oh thanka @verbal mist

vernal frigate
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is it because of there long reload times

verbal mist
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Anyone know the faraday cage strat on ih ? We tried it last night and almost worked . Problem is killing chunga before he gets off the pipe . We cracked his armor but he always got down

vagrant wing
verbal mist
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Lmg just not good in raid . The range stinks

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Rifle and ar . Or a door camp shotty build

vernal frigate
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i would need a better guide line for an ar build because everyone runs the eagle bearer even people are trying to get the gun

verbal mist
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Famas is great and m4

vernal frigate
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and what do we put on the mods

verbal mist
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Chc , chd

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You need to max our chc and chd . Look at the pinned spread sheet in build help

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Look at full meta jacket loadout

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Your magazine size max then chc or chd depending on your gear stats

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If you have a fenris piece that helps too

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Take this over to build help section

vernal frigate
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ok thank you

vagrant wing
obtuse raptor
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How likely is it to pass a raid while match making ?

vagrant wing
verbal mist
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@vagrant wing yes I’m aware.

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I’m just explaining where we got too

vagrant wing
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whats you question then?

verbal mist
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We did create the faraday . My question is we’re trying to speed up the encounter . Is there a trick to it ?

vagrant wing
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i still don't follow. Sorry. Did you manage to tank the shock 3 times?

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Did you manage to one shot all the heavies

verbal mist
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Not understanding . We stayed in back and got her to wipe repeatedly but our biggest issue was timing and understanding how it works

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We got heavy down to inch of life .

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We had two mmr players . Do we need more ?

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Two hh builds . The rest all had one blue

obtuse raptor
verbal mist
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Yes only discovery matchmake

vagrant wing
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are you asking about the faraday i.e. standing in the shock? or are you asking about the one shot heavies start? right now you're keep confusing both things which make me hard to answer

verbal mist
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Chungas . Yes how to one shot . It goes in motion but yes chunga .

obtuse raptor
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After discovery is when you get the good loot ?

verbal mist
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Multiple shooters ? We had two . Do we need more ?

vagrant wing
verbal mist
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All the builds are max rolled . We have ran a bunch together . Yes they get stacks and call the ads out . No we don’t know when to use tac and nemesis

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I’m not sure if other players builds . But hh and vig yes with one blue

vagrant wing
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max rolled or not - that's not important. If one of them get full stacks he should break the helmet no matter what. The other should wait until it's broken to shot. As for TAC vs Nemi, if the mortar above the door is still 'alive' you have to use the Tac 50. Otherwise you can use the Nemesis

verbal mist
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I can log on and post pic of builds . I wasn’t a sniper in this run . But was wearing focus chest , vig BP , contractors , Ceska and sawyers with m1A and nemesis standing in back

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Ahh ok so if the mortar is alive use tac otherwise nemesis

vagrant wing
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yep

verbal mist
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Hmm 🤔. Ok I’ll give a shot . It’s kinda fun practicing this strat .

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Appreciate some input

obtuse raptor
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Skill builds still used in raids ?

vagrant wing
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not really

obtuse raptor
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Trying to decide what build I wanna go for before I try finding a raid group.. 🤔

vagrant wing
obtuse raptor
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Thx

long marsh
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how do I stop getting hit by train mortars in the tunnel on morozova

sick robin
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Uhhh Hello guys I never managed to finish the 1st raid and uhhh... I never had the chance for the exo to drop because of that and I would like to ask if anyone is doing raid ?

drowsy pivot
iron lake
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at the first encounter in IH raid... once you kill the boss you'll have 2 fuses. how do you skip to just use 1 fuse then the other one is for the key? i've been in raid runs and they just let us tp to them.

signal basin
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You’ll see two generators. One on top on the left by the crates. The other is on the right by metal framing can’t remember to describe it. Put a key in each and that moves the train. @iron lake

warm ibex
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@iron lake just use one fuse on any generator, when the train moves the checkpoint moves forward. Go to social menu and fasttravel to anyone - magic you are on the other side of the train - use second fuse to open the window

iron lake
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thanks guys

verbal mist
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@iron lake fast travel to anyone in group

static lark
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What builds and skills are required to go in the electric field amd survive to skip phase 2 and 3 by damaging morozova

digital horizon
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Nice to see Patrick is most likely carrying a raid team rn

tawdry widget
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Probably even carrying the raid itself, NPCs wouldn't turn up if it wasn't for him.

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Who's Patrick?

digital horizon
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PatrickW.TSF aka the fella who basically coached me thru iron horse

green dagger
fluid pier
dull mountain
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pRaCtIcE

viscid fossil
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you just need an EB shoot an ad in the head then jump in

static lark
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@fluid pier many thanks! Much appreciated

pale edge
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does Iron Horse and Dark hours both give you fresh keys every week?

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separately?

vagrant wing
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Yes

pale edge
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ahhh i see

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thx

static lark
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@fluid pier if no glass cannon then what builds to one tap the heavies at the doors? Headhunter builds?

vagrant wing
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yeap. HH

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i was always about HH (on PC atleast. I know the Japanese team use a different method)

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i'd recommend that everyone will wear 1 blue (at least for the first couple times. All red builds puts a lot of pressure on the healers)

uneven garden
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Protection from elite mods lol

static lark
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What about xbox.

atomic nova
subtle totem
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is there a way to view ur past Raid run as i forgotten to take a screenshot to prove to my clan mate

static lark
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@atomic nova for 4th boss we are struggling to get the 2nd heavy down on the train at the door. Im just wondering what builds should be used to take them down?

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Progression raids @subtle totem

subtle totem
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@static lark how to view

static lark
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What u after your time?

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Just click on the raid, select what raid and view your stats.

subtle totem
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@static lark i did that but can't seems to view stats

static lark
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Weird..

atomic nova
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They have to be on point though, like hitting 90% of shots on ads to keep up with chungas

obtuse raptor
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Speaking of snipers... whats the sniper everyone uses ?

static lark
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Yeah we got hh builds and using tac once helmet is gone. Issue is the 2nd heavy, cant seem to crack him due to the angle of the doorway

vagrant wing
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have the snipers rotate. easy as that

vagrant wing
obtuse raptor
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Hh? Sorry don't know all the terms..

vagrant wing
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head hunter. The talent

obtuse raptor
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Ah okay.. I got a really nice rolled sniper and held onto it.. wasnt sure if snipers were still used in raids or not.

flint iris
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Niche uses

atomic nova
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@static lark

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It bypasses the weak point

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Or if you use nemesis than you have to shoot kinda lowish but still hit that headshot

static lark
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So for boss 4 i need to be running

2 healers,
1 tank,
3 snipers
3 dps

verbal mist
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Only 8 players

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Are you trying to speed run boss 4 ?

ornate depot
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Hi
Need players to dh normal... 4

verbal mist
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If not you need a stagger tank , key tank , 2 healers , left and right rockets guys and two ads guys .

ornate depot
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Last boss DH... 4 missing

verbal mist
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Too bad your not Xbox

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Might try lfg channel @ornate depot

fluid pier
static lark
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Lol.. my bad ha ha

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Was meant to say 2 dps not 3.

twilit mirage
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What Builds do I need for DH? Or is it pretty much anything..

flint iris
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Dps

humble solar
atomic nova
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Sniping on Xblox do be ez

flint iris
crude jewel
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can anyone recommend a good iron horse guide im trying to learn as much as i can before my first attempt

atomic nova
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Hmm

subtle totem
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@twilit mirage for DH Raid u need a crit Rifle / AR Build (50% CHC and 160% CHD) and not any dps build can be used but the only time any dps build can be used will be DH Discovery

supple tinsel
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Does anyone know why I'm not able to unlock Iron Horse honor under clan insignia? My clan has completed it over 10 times with 8 clan members from boss 1 to boss 4 in a single session. Any suggestions, or is it a Div 2 glitch?

tender hollow
supple tinsel
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Has it been discuss with the developers to correct it? I assume other players have complain about it. Anything we can do to get it corrected? Open for a suggestion if you have one.

static lark
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Is there a new cheese in the darkhours raid for speed runners 🤔

humble solar
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Aim fast, shoot fast, run fast.

static lark
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@humble solar hahah 😆

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My group got knocked off the top spot by a few seconds. There has to be a new cheese 🧀 ill figure it out

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Ravenous and d50 is definitely involved... negotiatorsbuilds, and that scorpion plays a part

fierce jungle
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👀

sweet trail
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What CHC should i have for the DH raid?

flint iris
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At least 50

sweet trail
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should i go all the way to 60 even if someone is running coyotes?

flint iris
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Base minimum is 50/150 for most teams, you can if you want to

daring coral
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whats this one shot striker build for dark hours i heard about

zinc bluff
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@polar sphinx yoo osama u trolling again?

polar sphinx
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@zinc bluff trolling is life

zinc bluff
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yeah u told me this before

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I only attend raids for memes nowadays

static lark
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@daring coral striker pistol build?

flint iris
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That how I see most people run it

safe pelican
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Whats the most current / up to date raid guide for IH?

vagrant wing
safe pelican
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Ok, just checking. I'm walking some guys through it and we got stuck on fuses after Gray

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Probably because I'm an idiot

vagrant wing
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stuck how? do tell

safe pelican
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we were missing a fuse for some reason

vagrant wing
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you sure you flipped the switch inside and checked all the wi-fi boxes?

safe pelican
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Yep.

vagrant wing
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hmmm. Should work then

safe pelican
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vov

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You underestimate my talents of cocking up.

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If I didn't get beat with a wooden spoon while cooking as a kid, i'd probably burn cereal

zinc turret
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I am looking for people who can help me run a raid

verbal mist
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@zinc turret post in lfg channel

vagrant wing
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Not exactly @olive rain . It had a binary trigger, that shoots bullets upon pressing & releasing. If both bullets hit the target you got small explosion going. You could stack that 6(?) times by intentionally missing the second bullet (can't remember the exact number)

olive rain
vagrant wing
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no., now you have to hit seven bullets in a row without reloading. it's slightly different. The recoil was terrible back in year 1 too

thorny parrot
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I love using Merciless with striker and braced with vigilance, aint no meta obviously but is quite fun to run for fast explosions lol

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Thing is a complete laser as well, just something for fun, cant compete with standard dps

trim wave
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merciless's binary talent? its hit both shots for a stack

silver edge
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How hard is the Iron Horse raid out of curiosity, really want that chest for bulkwar.

signal basin
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It’s difficulty is more based on the mechanics. IH is more team based and each person needs to be able cover their spots and possibly others.

silver edge
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Sounds like every other games raid.

dry swift
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Who tryna raid?

flint iris
dry swift
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Add matchmaking?

flint iris
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there's mm for discovery

wheat terrace
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What’s discovery?

dry swift
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Why would I do that when I can’t get the good loot though

wheat terrace
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Welp, looks like I’m not doing it lmao

flint iris
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if you dont wanna do discovery then lfg

dry swift
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It’s hard to look for gamers when there is no matchmaking ya know?

flint iris
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theres a ps4 lfg channel below ya know?

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also, have you seen the mess that happens in discovery?

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people running round like headless chickens and tryna raid fresh outta warlords

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imagine that in normal, where theres more mechnics and you actually need communication for it to work

dry swift
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👎

flint iris
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aight

velvet tide
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Can you get keys in discovery and then use them on Normal?

flint iris
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nope

velvet tide
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Thanks

wheat terrace
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I can’t find a single person in lfg willing to help with raids so it can be annoying

flint iris
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xbox's lfg is a little less populated than ps4 or pc here, hav you tried xbox's built in lfg yet?

wheat terrace
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Yea lmao, not many people post on there either, and no one responds to my post

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I don’t wanna switch to pc cause I don’t feel like doing the same missions 5 times and then grinding summit even more than before

formal shuttle
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Does Regulus have a chance to drop from IH bosses after you complete Rats Gnaw Our Bones?

flint iris
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Yea

radiant flume
formal shuttle
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@flint iris thanks

unique rover
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Just beat DH first time

formal shuttle
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@unique rover congrats, did you remember to get the eagle bearer by emoting in front of the chest before opening it?

unique rover
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Lmao no

formal shuttle
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Oh damn that's a shame

unique rover
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Took my team 4 hours cause they kinda sucked

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But they were all really good

formal shuttle
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Ouch, everyone else was new too?

unique rover
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Nope

formal shuttle
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Lmfao, yeah raid groups are like that sometimes

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50 clears between them and unable to meet DPS gates because half of them want to be the person running turret/drone

unique rover
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Yeah they kept aiming for perfection

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One turret breaks or shields go up to far its just a wipe

formal shuttle
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Nothing gives me the shits more than groups who try to go for the fucked up speedrun strats that fail so often you take longer than the slower standard plan

unique rover
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^

formal shuttle
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Had an iron horse run from hell a few weeks ago where we spent like half an hour on morozova

unique rover
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Bro I spent an hour 42 mins on Boomer

formal shuttle
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Restart after restart after restart because they wanted to run some bespoke strat where there is no stagger tank

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Lmfao holy shit

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Boomer is a solved encounter

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It is a science, few moving parts

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Not even kind of weird and reactive like Buddy and Lucy

unique rover
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We spent like 42 on buddy and lucy

formal shuttle
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Jesus christ not even god can save you there

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Scorpio strats have turned buddy and lucy into a five minute speedbump

unique rover
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We used standard strat with splitting them up

formal shuttle
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Nonono my god what is that

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Standard strat is pingpong

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They are not supposed to separate

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That is when you start getting overrun

unique rover
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If you activate the computer at the start they run to opposite sides

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Then 4 on each boss

formal shuttle
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Christ

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Pingpong strat is you get all eight to alternate between them

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It exploits the way they are coded to take certain positions when their health is at certain values

unique rover
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It worked

formal shuttle
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They end up virtually stunlocked in an endless loop between the back and the front of the arena

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Once they reach one end, you swap, and burn the other dog

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Repeat until finish

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Scorpio is only preferable because you don't even have to worry about positioning

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You just lock them down in the middle with CC and apply oxidisers to both at once

unique rover
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Yeah

tender hollow
formal shuttle
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oh yeah definitely, but speedrun strats are not for weeknight LFG pickup games

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people just want to close out a run and go to bed

dull mountain
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Hey Jack is there any possibility to play with you before maintenance? @formal shuttle

quasi dragon
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If I missed a key on my first IH playthrough do I have to run the whole raid again to get the key from the spot I missed?

static lark
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@quasi dragon yeah

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0

tender hollow
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Well im gonna run the raid this weekend wish me luck yall

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Trying to get that precious EB

tender hollow
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Good luck Nikto

weak elbow
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anyone here knows how much health Lieutenant Grey has?

stoic rose
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especially when the blue bar pops up

weak elbow
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I need an actual number...

pine stirrup
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I’ve never attempted the raid would anyone be down to try and help me do it

flint iris
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Use the lfg channels

tender hollow
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when u just need to do the raid 1 last time but cant LFG lol

obtuse raptor
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For a healer build for raids do you wanna run the repair skills stats ?

tawdry widget
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@obtuse raptor Repair Skills attributes, Skill Haste mods.

river tusk
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any one wants to raid ?

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dark hours

acoustic urchin
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Hey I just thought of something. In Destiny 2 when youre looking for an instructor for the Raids in that game you ask for a "Sherpa." Does that name apply in Div2 as well? Do they just go by instructor, carry or what?

brave saddle
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Where can i test my drone killer build outside the raid? Built it now,,, not sure if it will work for sure or not...

tawdry widget
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@brave saddle what are you using on your chest piece?

brave saddle
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Hardwire@tawdry widget

tawdry widget
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so, no, it won't work

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backpack has to be hardwire, chest should be wyvern with glass cannon

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the last piece can be BTSU or just a hana-u

icy hull
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GC or HW chest are both great

tawdry widget
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if you have skill damage on all your Hardwire pieces and the Wyvern chest, it will work

icy hull
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woops nm..

tawdry widget
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"Feedback Loop:

Whenever you use or cancel a skill,

your other skill's cooldown is reduced by 30s
total skill repair is increased by 10% for 20s.
total skill damage is increased by 10% for 20s.

Cooldown: 20s."

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"Positive Reinforcement:

Increases Feedback Loop skill damage
and repair bonus from +10% to +25%"

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If I'm reading this right, the chest talent only kicks in after you've used the skill

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so you won't have enough skill damage for the first wave

brave saddle
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@tawdry widget lets discus in inbox. Slowmode here.

vagrant wing
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his build will work

icy hull
brave saddle
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How to see my current total skill damage?

vagrant wing
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you have to manually calculate it

stone cradle
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hi guys

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anyone here can help me to get eagle bear

tender hollow
# brave saddle Hardwire<@499315860318584832>

You can test in Discovery. Its the same skill damage to kill them.

Also you need to be running 4x hardwire with the backpack and know how to reset your cool downs or have <12 second cooldown for your emp pulse otherwise you wont be able to get all drone waves.

vagrant wing
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< 12 is no longer good enough now that you have at least 1 person in the group who's using any variation of the Ravenous build

tender hollow
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^ yep, you need HW if doing speedrun / 2 demos breaking vents immediately

outer geyser
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anyone else encountering login issues atm ?

cedar kindle
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yes

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now is solved

civic dagger
vagrant wing
civic dagger
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before or after glass cannon? I'm assuming glass cannon is a multiplicative 1.25 on top right?

vagrant wing
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yes. as i said 90% including talents

civic dagger
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ah right so I only need to hit +52% skill dam if I'm running glass cannon which is basically covered by +sd on all hw pieces, thanks a lot!

tender hollow
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you can use wyvern glass canon, overwatch or kinetic momentum and you do not have to pre-proc HW

vagrant wing
civic dagger
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I was thinking 1.52 * 1.25 = 1.9

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since +52% ends up at 1.52 base?

vagrant wing
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ah no. I don't think it's working that way. All i know is that you need to hit that 90%. How the skill dmg is calculated - i have no idea and i suspect no one does

civic dagger
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hmm well I'll give it a shot next time since I don't think I can make it to +72%

tender hollow
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EMP build - Survivalist with xbow for vents + 4 x HW + BTSU + Wyvern kinetic momentum/overwatch/glass canon and 10 skill damage on everything except btsu [added -> I think you need 10 skill damage from your SHD watch]

vagrant wing
civic dagger
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oh shit I forgot about watch lmao

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I may be stupid

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yeah I was thinking I still wanted to be running BTSU so I'd miss one of those 10%s from gear

tender hollow
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BTSU is useful for both weak groups and strong groups

vagrant wing
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it'll still be good. You'll hit that 93% mark

civic dagger
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yeah some guy last time was talking about popping BTSU before damage phase so someone could pulse for spotter

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which gives everyone +15% multiplicative?

vagrant wing
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correct. You should however know your group and the mechanics well enough so you won't be surprised by a third wave of drones

civic dagger
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Right I'll have to read up on it then

vagrant wing
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it's not that hard. You get a third wave of drones if:
a) The group is taking too long to dmg the weakpoints
b) The group destroyed one side of Razor completely

civic dagger
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right so typically the problem would be b

vagrant wing
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Typically the problem is a 😆

civic dagger
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lmao fair point

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well HW would be on a 10s cooldown anyway so it shouldn't be too bad if I manage it right

vagrant wing
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that's depends how fast they'll destroy it. Im my experience it's not enough. Also you have to realize your cooldown won't be 10s, it'll be more like 20s. You can get that 10s repeatedly if you'll use HW chest which isn't ideal at all

civic dagger
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ah I thought feedback loop was reduced to 10s by the backpack? The chest is an increase in buff stats

vagrant wing
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It is. but you can only do it once (every 20 second iirc) and you're gonna do it for the second wave

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huh. I was wrong. However it's never enough for whatever reason

civic dagger
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right well I'll give it a try at some point and see how it goes haha

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can't turn out too bad

vagrant wing
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good luck

civic dagger
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thanks for the help :)

west spruce
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HW backpack will reduce Feedback Loop CD to 10 secs, so you are generally fine if you use the backpack.

rugged hawk
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Sets parts drop from bosses only once a week?

coral oxide
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so what is it about HW that makes it essential? the cooldown reduction or the increased skill damage? Or is it both?

vagrant wing
coral oxide
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so if i go in with a regular skill build, that should work but i may be late on the drones if my team is too fast breaking weakpoints?

vagrant wing
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Not exactly. With a regular skill build you'll definitely kill the drones but you'll be late of the second wave no matter what. The cooldown between the 1st & 2nd waves is ~13s ish so... If you have a Ravenous build in the group that time is basically get cut by half to somewhere around ~5-6s

coral oxide
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got it. also, what are the best ravenous builds? Is it 3 piece striker?

vagrant wing
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That's up to preference. 3 pcs Striker won't do you any good when it comes to PvE. Either 4 or nothing imho

coral oxide
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so 4 piece striker? Do you need chest or backpack?

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and you pre-stack the striker buff by just shooting razorback anywhere?

vagrant wing
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It doesn't matter, although chest and D&H BP with vigilance will yield the best dmg
Yes

icy hull
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FYI using 3pc striker (and any gear set) means losing 3-4 brand bonuses + 3 extra stats, which makes that 15 ROF not able to compete with that lost in stats.

coral oxide
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yeah, the opportunity cost on striker is so high, i always wondered why it makes sense on a ravenous build for razer

icy hull
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well because Strikers does deal a lot of damage, but if you dont miss. need like 90% accuracy iirc for it to beat a normal high end dps build.

vagrant wing
slender kite
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is the hollow man necessary to have in these ravenous + d50 one shot builds?

vagrant wing
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again - no. Every red build will do just fine. The only difference would be how many stacks you'll have to get

coral oxide
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another question on DH, boss 2 -- when you pull the gas lever a 2nd time, the effect is keep it orange?

vagrant wing
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huh? i didn't understand you. Can you rephrase that please?

coral oxide
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on DH boss 2

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you pull the gas controls on the plane the first time to start the encounter

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on some raids, the strategy is to get the boss on B side down low, then pull the levers a 2nd time, before killing boss B and having the plane lift up

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the reason for that is to keep the gas orange?

atomic nova
vagrant wing
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ah yes and know. If you kill the boss on the side with the purple gas right after the switch - the orange gas will stay on the other side

atomic nova
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More of a sweaty tryhard build tbh

coral oxide
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so what is the preferred DH boss 2 strat now? still 7/1 and just hide?

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during purple?

atomic nova
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4/4 if your good enough DPS wise

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7/1 if your scrd

vagrant wing
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I prefer 4/4 it's faster when done right. But most of the ppl prefer 7/1 because reasons?

atomic nova
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Because DPS is light

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So as long as you clear some snipers, 7/1 is guaranteed

vagrant wing
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i disagree. Even if your group is lacking DPS 4/4 is better since you're spending less time with whatever the actual boss is called (i forgot) and his stickies. I prefer Dizzy and Ricochet but maybe it just me

odd star
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but you see

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4/4 needs coordination

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7/1 2 people just press a button and boss dies

atomic nova
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Takes forever

vagrant wing
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right. If 2 ppl can't coordinate enough to do it who am i to judge i guess. I just feel like ppl just do it cause they think it's better for whatever reason

vagrant wing
atomic nova
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I mean when you do kill the mini to spawn the big than you wait out purple phase and 7 people shoot the mini boss that’s left on whatever side than they burn the boss

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Works a treat I’m LFG’s when there are carry’s

coral oxide
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so pulling the lever a 2nd time just switches the gas on both sides?

vagrant wing
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pulling the lever for the n'th time will switch the gases n time, yeah

azure ruin
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4-4 is best strategy imo because its fastest But lot of newbies don’t know how to get in cover after first switch to get rid of aggro so they can do panel switches freely afterwards. All you need is 2 exp people doing panels and other 6 who are good listeners for callouts regarding which boss to kill after final switch. If done correctly, there is no gas when weasel lands and all 8 people can burn him super quick. But people go 7-1 because their reluctance to learn better strategy / force unnecessary tank and healers build because they don’t like to run dps.

coral oxide
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what do you do to get no gas when weazel lands?

vagrant wing
dusky mirage
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Is a memento/hunters fury dps build good for raids?

vagrant wing
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not really. It lacks the range... on the raids you usually tend to engage at mid range

dusky mirage
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OK thanks

swift steppe
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What's the best gear for a dps that's running contracter's gloves, fox's prayer, the sacrifice, and the gift with an M1A classic for maximal damage output? Looking to use it for iron horse if that helps at all

icy hull
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Its 3 providence, coyotes, fox prayer, grupo (drop contractors). Grupo is more overall damage then contractors.

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If 2 other people are already running coyotes then replace with contractors.

novel quarry
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Does talents matter with DPS in raids

icy hull
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I mean talents are a huge part of builds so yes

tawdry widget
# novel quarry Does talents matter with DPS in raids

Hypotheticals:
A) Full red build with Skilled on chest + Creeping Death on backpack = 0% more damage
B) Full red build with Focus on chest + Vigilance on backpack = 75% more damage
It matters everywhere, not just in raids.

opal dragon
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I’ve never done the raids before and hoping to do one soon, is the hf build good for it?

normal mirage
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not really

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stick to the cookie cutter red dps build

dense frost
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Hi

static lark
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Gonna start doing some community (out of clan) raid runs. Hmu for info

frail bolt
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Not sure if this is the right spot to ask, but if I wanted to recruit someone to a static raid party, where should I send a msg out?

icy hull
frail bolt
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Ahh alright, just wasn't sure because I thought that was for people to run right away or something lol

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Thank you

icy hull
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never hurts to ask 😄

vapid tundra
tawdry widget
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85 if it's Perfect Focus, 75 if it's regular Focus.

vapid tundra
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why would anyone ever not use perfect focus, as it is best for dps

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...

icy hull
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Because scoping sucks! I'd rather use PGC

vagrant wing
tawdry widget
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It was just an hypothetical to illustrate it matters. It can also be Spotter, Glass Cannon, etc.

icy hull
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Well can suck

vapid tundra
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you can hate scoping just know you are doing less damage

icy hull
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Oh of course I know

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Like no way in hell am I using a 8x scope on an CQB build.......

vagrant wing
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@vapid tundra can you describe to me your go-to focus build?

vapid tundra
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for an m1a?

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and solo or in a group, builds vary

vagrant wing
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lets say group play

vapid tundra
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group of 4 you have to assume at least 1 is using coyote mask right? as long as they keep the long range buff, you build for 35 chc and the rest into chd/headshot

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contractor / foxs / pristine as they are best for the rifle

vagrant wing
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no i mean what brand set your build consist of?

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forget the coyote for a sec

vapid tundra
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you have 3/6 there. you can't forget the coyote thats why i asked group or solo

icy hull
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If you are not the one running coyotes I wouldn't count on the long buff and even then still nope imho

vapid tundra
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if someone is running coyote in a group and not giving you that buff it's useless to have them in your group

icy hull
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On average, it's the middle buff that is up and not long buff anyways

vapid tundra
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you can have the close and long range stack at the same time

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for idiots maybe "on average"

icy hull
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....useless.... 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

vapid tundra
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the whole point of using it is to use it correctly

vagrant wing
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You missing my point. So lets say the "meta" focus build is:
Fox's, Contractors, Prefect focus, and 3 Prov can we agree on that?

vapid tundra
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that isn't the maximum damage

icy hull
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Okay I'm out.... not fighting that troll

vapid tundra
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what do you hit on your m1 per shot

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max dmg

vagrant wing
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anywho to cut long story short, i prefer running regular focus with 2 W&H than perfect focus

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You only missing 5% AWD total but you're gaining 6% DTA and overall your burst dmg is better if you tend to lose focus buff like me

vapid tundra
vagrant wing
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which are?

vapid tundra
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would depend on your use case i already told you smh

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there isnt a 1 build fits all

vagrant wing
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I really don't get where you're trying to go with this, But lets say that's my go-to build for the raids (at least for some parts in them)

vapid tundra
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not going anywhere with it, you were just suggesting less than optimal builds

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sure you can build without perfect focus but you won't do max damage on a build. nothing to it

vagrant wing
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Right. I keep asking you over and over to describe the optimal build but somehow you don't want to. What can i make of that?

vapid tundra
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It's almost like you haven't read what i said about it varying on use case such as group play v solo. they won't stay the same... very easy to build off the guideline pristine/contractor/foxs...

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you countered with 3 pc prov, while that sounds good not every ad is taking that headshot damage so that won't factor into your total output, causing you to hit for less than another variation of the build...

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and you aren't 100% accurate. also a factor

vagrant wing
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in a matter of fact i don't run Prov at all. And i psure i said "group play" and "raid" couple times so....

vapid tundra
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and yeah you mentioned 2 wh without perfect focus, i had asked what you hit for and you didn't say

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but i already know it's less than the other build

vagrant wing
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My point is - sometime ppl will prefer not running prefect focus as the brand set bonus can potentially be replaced by a better one

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Did you even read that? i said "meta" focus build right there

vapid tundra
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if you are running focus, you should run perfect focus PERIOD. you are losing damage being dumb enough to not use that

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even with the brand sets

vagrant wing
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Right. I'm done here

upbeat rapids
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Haven't done a raid yet, but just to confirm, if I want access to the Future Initiative backpack and chest piece, I have to complete Iron Horse?

tawdry widget
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Yes, potentially multiple times, as they're not a guaranteed drop.

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And only drop on your first raid clear of the week.

upbeat rapids
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Okay, so if I'm looking for those specifically, don't do the Raid more than once within that week period, got it.

Last small question, do those two items drop as loot or as blueprints? If blueprints, do general Future Initiative items in the overworld when deconstructed work for making the backpack or chest?

plain palm
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What is the best way to get with a group to play the raids?

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On normal

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Not the matchmaking.

vagrant wing
vagrant wing
plain palm
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The raid channels? Sorry I'm super new to this stuff. I've been playing D2 for awhile, but don't have enough "friends" that consistently play to do raids.

vagrant wing
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yeah. The raid channel. Look for a post that look for members jump in and let them know it's your first time. If they're kind enough they'll let you in

vapid tundra
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@upbeat rapids you can do it 1 per character if you want

upbeat rapids
tawdry widget
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Depending on the team, you may get lucky and other people get those pieces, don't need them, and drop them for you. At this point most people have them and are happy to share with other people.

upbeat rapids
tawdry widget
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Raids reset on Tuesday, so that's probably the best day to do it, since everyone will probably be getting those drops too.

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Apart from that, you can do the raids more than once, for one you'll be getting a key every time you kill the last boss and more importantly you'll get more experience and get to know better what do to.

upbeat rapids
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Yeah doing it a few times would help me get comfortable with what to do. What kind of key does the last boss drop?

tawdry widget
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There's a loot box you can open if you have 5 keys. On your first clear of the week you'll be able to open 4 boxes, throughout the raids, that each have 1 key, after killing the last boss, you get the 5th. Hence, being able to open the box. Now, key boxes can only be looted once a week. But since the last boss always drops a key, if you kill that boss 5 more times, you'll get 5 more keys, being able to open the last loot box again.

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That last loot box can drop The Ravenous exotic on Iron Horse and Eagle Bearer on Dark Hours.

upbeat rapids
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Sweet, appreciate the info!

toxic orchid
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pulse doesnt stack anymore for the amp right? patched out i think it was, but forgetting right now

tender hollow
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yeah. the patched it. everyone still gets the bonus for 1 pulse [when a lvl 6 skill tier overcharges], but if 7 people do it its not 7 times more

toxic orchid
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yah i didnt remember if the change was it didnt stack anymore or btsu required st 6 to proc for all

prime gorge
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Anyone doing ih?

prime gorge
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??????????

valid marlin
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@prime gorge This is a channel for raid discussions, for lfg use #lfg-raid-pc

eager patrol
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can someone drop me Hazrd Proc tank build for fieser

tawdry widget
# eager patrol can someone drop me Hazrd Proc tank build for fieser

Demolitionist, 3x Gila, 1x Belstone, 1x Empress Guards, 1x Yaahl, Vanguard and Opportunistic, Hazard and Regen on all pieces. Ravenous to stack on bonus armour while you're with him. With that combination, plus 10% hazard protection from watch you should be above 91% burn resistance. You can use your three mod slots for protection from elites.

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With that said, this can be either overkill if your team is fast on codes or an easy way to stay alive if they are slow.

eager patrol
tawdry widget
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It can work, yes. Personally I'm not a fan, but it can work.

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That would be 4x Bulwark (probably with backpack), 1x Gila (Perfect Vanguard chest), 1x Belstone. Two of the Bulwark rolled to Regen, the other two rolled Hazard, plus 10% from watch and 20% from Demolitionist, that's 70%. Use the mod slots to get above 91% burn.

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If you have the Ravenous, that's still a good way to improve your survivability spamming the left shoulder buff.

simple escarp
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How good one should be to attend the raids?

flint iris
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You should be able to handle heroic solo comfortably with a dps build

simple escarp
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Im fucked, ok thanks

odd star
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yeah hes cappin

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slam on 50crit chance 150crit damage and coyotes and boom

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done

flint iris
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What, I’m cappin?

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You can totally do solo heroic with that build lol, 50/150 coyotes

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Even less

odd star
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i mean yeah you can but solo its gonna be just sitting behind cover shooting for 30 minutes

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because your survivabillity is a solid 0\

flint iris
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Enemies are mostly gonna be vets and elites in raids

odd star
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but theres 8 of you

flint iris
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And they have similar health so heroic mobs

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There is 8, but you shouldn’t rely on them, they’ll should still help out

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Solo heroic is just good measure

odd star
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no id say you very much should rely on your teammates

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especially the medic

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if you are second guessing everyone you arent gonna do your best either

flint iris
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You won’t have a medic every time

odd star
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DH you dont need medic, maybe lucy and buddy

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IH preety muche everywhere youre gonna have a medic

flint iris
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And like I said, heroic solo is just for good measure when lfging for raids

odd star
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i cant fucking solo heroic because i just get bored and run out of cover but i can do raids without problems

flint iris
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So you’re saying you can’t do heroic solo because you’re getting bored and running out of cover on purpose?

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Cause there’s a whole lot of cover

odd star
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yes exactly

flint iris
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That’s... an interesting reason

odd star
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its just how it is

flint iris
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right.

odd star
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i dont know how people play on xbox but its just so boring to just go cover to cover and not peak your head out

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thats why i love my medics and i protect them with everything i have because they allow me to do dumb shit

flint iris
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So you totally have the potential to do heroics solo but choose not to cause it’s boring lol

odd star
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yes

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preety sure 56chc and 161chd with ravenous can do anything if you really want to

flint iris
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pretty much

simple escarp
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Can you get the ravenous outside raids?

odd star
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no

wary moat
odd star
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thank you for your service as a medic i appreciate it

full solstice
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Do people ever do raids with new people who have never done them here? I just play the game by myself usually but I want to try and do the raids

tawdry widget
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Yes, all the time. If you see someone asking for people to do the raid, join their Raid-Voice channel, explain it's your first time and go from there. Most will be happy to take you without any issue. If they for some reason don't want to take you, no problem, try again with another group.

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With that said, it helps if you've looked at some videos of the raid mechanics to at least have a vague idea of what will happen. Opposed to going in blind expecting everyone else to play around you and explain everything.

coral oxide
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for key tank or stagger tank on IH, what is the prefered 2ndary stat? explosive resistance, hazard resistance, or armor regen?

tawdry widget
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Depends of how you're building it, High-end or Bulwark. High-end I go with Explosive / Regen. Bulwark I'd probably go Regen.

coral oxide
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4 piece bulwark

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1 pointman, 1 belstone

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bulwark backpack

tawdry widget
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If you're getting her "stuck" at the door it's pretty straight forward and I'd say the most important is to be able to survive the green lasers.

full solstice
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Okay cool, thank you. I watched a video about the Dark Hours one last night so I will try that

tender hollow
tawdry jasper
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I rate that pistol rate a 9/10, that is so fun to suppress snipers with pistl 😂

coral oxide
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what is the best way to get xbow bolts for DH?

vagrant wing
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best way? run the Survivalist spec throught the whole raid

coral oxide
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what if you only want to switch after buddy/lucy?

vagrant wing
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Either run Tips or wipe

late river
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to unlock the clan raid emblems, does it require the entire raid to be your clan?
i have a 4 member clan, including me do all of them have to be in the raid with me?

viscid fossil
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you would need all 8 to be in your clan

late river
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ah, damn.

vagrant wing
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Don't bother. The thing for IH is bugged since launch. You can't get it anyway currently

brisk forum
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hello there, i'm new to the discord. What's a raid? and what are raid channels?

tawdry widget
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Google / Youtube "Operation Dark Hours" and "Operation Iron Horse" to get an idea.

brisk forum
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Thank you

golden flint
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IR noob ready to help

primal iron
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Anybody runnin dark hours? I need in

near dock
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looking to one day get into raids. mostly for the trophies but I wouldnt mind a slice of that exotic dabble pie. what are the raids like on console (playstation) these days? giving the history of the launch of the first raid etc

fiery sphinx
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Guys the drop of the bosses and the chances of getting an exotic from it are only 1 time per week?, i mean, i cannot farm bosses all the day right?

viscid fossil
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its a .1% chance u can still try after the fresh run

fiery sphinx
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ok ty, i maybe try multiple times, 2 months and still without getting "revenous" from IH 😦

fierce jungle
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don't bother trying to get it from a boss. you are better off getting 5 keys and opening the box or playing with others who have 5 keys so they can open the box for you. the chance from getting it from a boss are extremely low. most people who have done the raid hundreds of times have never gotten a ravenous from a boss

fiery sphinx
tender hollow
# fiery sphinx ok ty, i maybe try multiple times, 2 months and still without getting "revenous"...

Your best chance is the 1st run on a character after maintenance each week. If you have more characters then you get more chances at the 10% drop from the final chest. So if you have 4 characters it is 10% x 4 characters = ~40% you will get it that week from the first run of those characters.

Let everyone know that you need it, and the more you contribute and do raids, the higher the chance it will either drop for you or someone will give you one

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For example one dropped in a raid last night, and the guy who got it gave it to the newbie on all reds, rather than the 5 yellow build guy or the guy that kept on dying face tanking ads

fiery sphinx
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Ok, thanks for answer, i was wondering if there is another way, but i no want create more chars for this, so i just going to be patience

trim wave
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i forgot weekly stuff are separate per character

formal obsidian
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I once got a regulus to drop from the last boss of IH but then again I have like 100+ clears.

odd star
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obligatory i got ravenous first try

gilded heath
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guys, yesterday i saw a video of dark hours speedrun where they one-shot razer in tu 12, any ideas on how they did it?

tawdry widget
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stack buffs

vast musk
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Hehe

tawdry widget
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and, like in TU7, sync shots, of course

radiant flume
gilded heath
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thanks, i will definitely try this out

vast musk
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@radiant flume hes talking about the whole health bar of razorback

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3 people with tips sawyers sync pierce shot for 1 phase

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with all kinds of buffs ofcourse (oppurtunistic, scorpio, TP, FI, overwatch, all 3 coyote buffs, overcharge and a couple more i forget)

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@gilded heath

gilded heath
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uff haha oke well that makes more sense xd thank you!

warm ibex
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Its also with headhunter

tawdry widget
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And wipes, lots and lots of wipes. 😁

warm ibex
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Thats the best thinh about speedrunning. Becomming a wipe-pro 👍

tawdry widget
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Exactly, contrary to popular belief, no wipe, no pro

radiant flume
steep hinge
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I can't seem to find any specific info on it, but do the Future and Foundry chest/backpack only drop from the last boss in IH, or can they drop from any boss in the raid?

signal basin
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They can drop from any boss or the loot crate. A teammate gave me the foundry bag boss 2

compact mango
steep hinge
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Cool cool, thanks. Trying to look it up just results in "yeah they drop from the raid", with no real specific info either. So at least I know that my clear this week was just bad RNG for drops.

compact mango
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if you're dedicated enough, can level up 4 characters to 40 get them builds and run it 4 times a week and hope at least 1 or 2 of them get the stuff you need

radiant flume
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ooo i already subscribe you lunar😂😂😂

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already watch dashtray video last night

carmine comet
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When does raid reset so we can get loot

muted bridge
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I have a HF red dps build, can join DH as newb?

carmine comet
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I need the eagle bearer and would literally pay for it

radiant flume
radiant flume
radiant flume
muted bridge
mild wing
cedar pagoda
radiant flume
fresh lantern
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I wanna learn IH. I've done it twice but I just played as DPS with no clue on how the mechanics work. does anyone know a good guide on Iron Horse or a good youtuber who does good guide videos?

tender hollow
vagrant wing
dawn gyro
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Anyone still running dark hours? I still haven't gotten an eagle bearer........or ravenous. I really need to run both raids

carmine comet
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lf dh raid, need EB and would pay PC

wispy basin
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is this where i can find a raid group for PC?

vagrant wing
half niche
#

Hey, anyone available to play division 1 ? am level 13 now

pliant cairn
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Anyone know how much time between drone waves on razorback?

tawdry widget
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They aren't completely time dependent, the first one comes when the generators get to 100%/when razorback first opens, the second can come when one of the top weakpoints are opened or be timed if it takes too long to open, third can happen if the top weakpoints were opened after the second wave came.

quiet swift
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can someone say how "difficult" the raid is to a new team?

tawdry widget
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Which raid, how "new"?

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Dark Hours is more DPS based, Iron Horse can be more coordination based.

quiet swift
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DH we have 2 vets at the game 1 who has a decent time into it and 2 who just finish WoNy

tawdry widget
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That's only 4 people, what about the other 4?

quiet swift
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5 people

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we are looking for another 3

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sooo

tawdry widget
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Ah, right, sorry, I thought the 1 was part of the first 2 you mentioned.

quiet swift
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i get ya

tawdry widget
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So, watch youtube videos, get 50 CHC/150 CHD all red builds with damage talents.

sterile otter
tawdry widget
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If you can find 3 people that already know how to do it, that will probably help.

quiet swift
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thanks for the info

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i run lady death with 15% rolls and the maniac AR with coyote so far

sterile otter
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lady death is not very good for a raid setup tho

tawdry widget
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Take an M1A for the best results. Lady Death can work clearing Tarmac and adds in Boomer, but it's probably best to use it only after knowing the spawn points, etc.

quiet swift
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cheers for the tips

upbeat mesa
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chameleon best gun

formal shuttle
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I'd rather run a Strained AR than Lady Death, enemies aren't so tough that I need the extra firepower but I do need the flexibility to hunker down and just shoot from a fixed position until it is time to move

formal shuttle
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Are there any sources for Eagle Bearer other than the DH chest? Does it drop from bosses?

lapis bane
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a chance to drop from the 4 bosses

formal shuttle
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Before or after you get one for the first time?

sharp forge
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both

formal shuttle
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Thanks

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👍

last cliff
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@whole fulcrum Yeah lf4, clanmates kinda new. but decent dps

whole fulcrum
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@last cliff invite me. same as discord

last cliff
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@whole fulcrum Added

whole fulcrum
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@last cliff uplay's doing that thing again. lemme add you instead

last cliff
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Ok

whole fulcrum
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your uplay's the same as discord?

last cliff
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@whole fulcrum Hold up

whole fulcrum
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aight

lapis bane
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how 2 raid for the first time

  1. shoot
    2.shoot
  2. shoot
formal shuttle
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no it's

  1. shoot
  2. stand where you're told to
  3. shoot
fluid pier
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nah it's

  1. stop
  2. pull out Eagle Bearer
  3. shoot
normal mirage
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  1. stop
  2. pull out Eagle Bearer
  3. shoot
  4. realizes it's garbage
  5. pull out regulus
  6. shoot
  7. profit
patent cove
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nah it's

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  1. Find Lunar_NA
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  1. Follow what he says
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  1. You done the raid
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But you gotta have an acceptable build tho

verbal mist
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Eb is still one of the most strong ar in game . I prefer my Famas because of the talent and I run an exotic pistol . But eb is still strong.

icy hull
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saddly it isnt. missing DTOOC and missing a dps talent make it rather weak for dps (compared to other ARs) and an AR with fast hands matches or beats EB DPM without the dps loss.

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IE DTOOC + in sync = ~22% dps increase which EB cant get (in a full red build)

verbal mist
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I use it sometimes . If you know how to use the talent it can save your life and smacks

icy hull
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dont get me wrong, EB is viable and fun, its just far from optimal.

verbal mist
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What platform you on @icy hull

icy hull
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PS4

verbal mist
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Ahh ok . I see your advice here a bunch . Would be cool to run with you . I’m Xbox though

icy hull
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crossplay when 😭

verbal mist
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I’m a math freak . I do math for a living daily . I understand the math behind all of this in game . But I will say some feel different in game . I think it also has to do with play style as well .

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I know man give us cross play

vagrant wing
verbal mist
vagrant wing
#

Right. If you'll help me with that - it would be nice 🙂
So i'm trying to figure out the math behind a Nemesis HH build (for starter. Interested in the Achiles pulse in the long run but let's ignore that for now). So far my calculation yielded the following:
a) Nemi charge is the % of your wpn dmg (not included weapon type dmg) - might be clear to you but it was a surprise to me
b) HH single stack is calculated on top of your dmg
c) my calculations are correct only for 1 stack or lower
my question is then: do you have any idea how to calculate for a full HH stack? if so, how?

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thx in advance 🙂

verbal mist
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Hmmm 🤔 . I’m not sure of the actual dmg of hh. I know it goes to a certain number . Let me do some research

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Funny I’ve never tested hh with one . I’ve always tested with full stacks . Are you also using hs dmg ?

vagrant wing
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kinda. Build spec are:

awd = 104
wpn_type_dmg = 55
hsd = 283
chd = 74

vigilance ofc

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non crit hsd is 11M and some. with 1 stack is about 29M, full stacks is 49M. I can calculate that 29M and 11M but i can't reach that 49M

wary moat
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also are you using any gearset?

vagrant wing
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not a full 4 pieces. does it matter? i gave these numbers so you can have something to relay on

upbeat mesa
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@vagrant wing

Dmg calculation for Nemesis(my stats):
Nem Base DMG = 940.2k
awd = 105
wpn_type_dmg = 55
hsd = 311
Vigilance = 25
DTTOOC=8%

hsd no crit
((940200+940200 * (1.05+0.55)) *1.25) * 4.11 * 1.08 = 13.56mil
hsd no crit, 1 stack HH
((940200+940200 * (1.05+0.55)) * 1.25) * 4.11 * 1.08 * 2.5 = 33.90mil
hsd no crit, theoretical 2 stack HH
((940200+940200 * (1.05+0.55)) * 1.25) * 4.11 * 1.08 * 2.5 * 2.5 = 84.77mil

Here is where the dmg cap of headhunter comes in. After the first shot your dmg gets increased by 150%. After the second shot however the 150% would bring the dmg over the base dmg cap of 1250%. Thats why you hit for roughly:

940200 *12.5 * 4.11 * 1.08 = 52.1mil.

These numbers above match mine ingame pretty well, HOWEVER the cap of 52.1mil i calculated i dont reach. The max i hit ingame is 51.7mil. Wich is strange to me since the other numbers are way closer ingame: 13.56mil, 33.90mil, 51.7mil.

Build is 3 piece Aces, Airaldi Vigi BP, chainkiller, fox prayer, nemesis. Everything on max stats. CHC and CHD was left out

warm wharf
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a

vagrant wing
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Here is where the dmg cap of headhunter comes in. After the first shot your dmg gets increased by 150%
i know. As i clearly stated i can calculate up to and include 1 stack without any problem
dmg cap of 1250%
this is the part i'm asking about
940200 *12.5 * 4.11 * 1.08 = 52.1mil
this calculation is wrong. If you'd calculate it the way you calculated the 1 & 2 stacks you'll get a huge unrealistic number
you know what? i'm wrong. Sorry about that. However if i use that method i don't get the expected result (my error margin is somewhere around 8%)

vagrant wing
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thx btw 🙂

coral oxide
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for iron horse boss 2, when is it safe to ignore the purple adds that turn off the power in the control room? after the crucible is poured? after the water is fired?

vagrant wing
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after the window is broken

coral oxide
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that happens when there is no tank in the room right? and starts applying fire damage to the person in the control room?

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when is the prefered time to break the window?

vagrant wing
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when is the prefered time to break the window?
depends on the team

coral oxide
vagrant wing
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well... it depends if:
a) one dps can solo the upstairs adds on both sides
b) if the team struggle with dps so they need 2 additional players downstairs
c) what the person inside the control room is running
d) whether the team even know/have the builds to leave a tank inside the forge the whole time
....
if you ask me, i always prefer to leave the doors open until Fieser breaks the window naturally. But you'll find many ppl here who disagree

red whale
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What's the magic number for hazpro? Apparently it's not exactly 100%?

normal mirage
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Immunity Thresholds:

Poison - 96%
Ensnare - 93%
Bleed - 93%
Blind/Deaf - 91%
Burn - 91%
Disorient - 93%
Disrupt - 96%
Shock - 84%

red whale
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thx

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also do you know how much shield health is needed for boss 4 minigun?

normal mirage
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hmm that I don't know

red whale
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no worries, thx man

tender hollow
azure fossil
#

reddit is on the warpath against raids again, it seems. Front page and suggestions sticky full of , "no more raids". "Raids are a massive failure", they want 8-mans removed entirely, reduced to 4-man and/or all of the raid loot, all 5 pieces of it, placed in global rotation

i have heard from them, what say you of the reddit clan's proposal, #td2-raid-discussions clan?

civic dagger
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bleed resist threshold has gone up to about 95.4% at least since TU10

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source: me levelling my watch trying to make my backfire build stop bleeding me

normal mirage
azure fossil
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I think way more people are raiding than the average redditor lets on.
They believe it more or less doesn't exist because you can't matchmake for it

tawdry widget
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The thing is, no one is stopping anyone from raiding, except themselves. There's plenty of people teaching, carrying and dropping raid exotics for new players, every single day. If they want to keep themselves out, it's on them.

#

And no discussion will ever change this: no effort = no reward. In games and in life.

sudden dagger
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@tawdry widget I am someone who recently got back to this game and would love an opportunity to learn raids... Do I just inquire in the Raid LFG here?

azure fossil
sudden dagger
azure fossil
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I would say most people use AR, followed by Rifle, then LMG

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there are specialized builds for certain strategies and scenarios, but you don't have to worry about that right now. Your main responsibility will be to kill adds most of the time

sudden dagger
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That, I can do well. Cool, thanks again.

radiant flume
vagrant wing
cedar pagoda
odd star
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honestly div2 needs to step their game up with raids

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destiny 2 spoiled me and these raids are wack compared to what that game had

civic dagger
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I think IH isn't too bad in terms of encounter complexity compared to destiny raids

odd star
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1st boss is a meme, 2nd is amazing, 3rd you just need like 3 people to do mechanics and thats it so its a joke but overall not too bad, 4th is also made a joke by trapping morozova in a corner

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it has potential but it doesnt reach destiny level

dull mountain
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lol

unkempt locust
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guys just want to ask, if we hv raid key in position let say 2 key is it carry forward after weekly reset or not? thanks

cedar pagoda
unkempt locust
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@cedar pagoda ok thanks buddy

formal shuttle
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As someone who loves to teach raids - i don't think we should be getting another full-length raid. The time investment is too much when you just want to sit down and have fun for an hour after work.

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A half-length raid might be better. Less commitment, less to juggle and learn, and easier to iterate and get feedback for developers.

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Imagine if we had Iron Horse encounters 1 and 2 release, then a couple weeks to get feedback and see what people like about it

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then the developers tweak and release encounters 3 and 4 as Iron Horse Part 2

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The barrier for entry comes down, more people want to play

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fewer raid vets get into screaming fits when you're 3 hours in and still not at Morozova

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pretending that this game is not paid for by "casual" players is wilful ignorance. For every diehard nolifer veteran who lives and breathes raid meta, there are ten people wearing rainbow gear who just wander around Heroic pubs shooting dudes and going "aw shucks let's try again" when they wipe halfway through

odd star
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god no

vapid tundra
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Lmao, easier raids he said 😂. No 👎

odd star
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i dont want another snooze fest as DH

formal shuttle
vapid tundra
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If a group is 3 hrs into IH they shouldn’t be doing the raid, they need to be farming better gear

vagrant wing
formal shuttle
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So what do the fuseboxes do, exactly?

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I thought they provided power to the control room screens

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Whenever they get turned off, all the monitors go black until you get the power back up

vapid tundra
formal shuttle
# odd star i dont want another snooze fest as DH

if you want harder content, that's ok. nobody wants to take that away from you. but you have to admit that the vast majority of players would rather new content be developed in another direction

vapid tundra
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I’d argue the majority want a harder raid

odd star
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then give us another DLC

vagrant wing
formal shuttle
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I'm not applying real world physics, I'm recalling my firsthand observations that when the fuseboxes get tripped by the veteran Assaults the six symbol screens go black until you get two people to reset the fuseboxes

vagrant wing
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Well again - you're right. It's also will prevent you from opening the forge doors. But you missing my point. The purple will stop going for the boxes as soon as their code will tell them too. This condition used to be fulfilled if the person inside the control room reached 100 stacks but not anymore. It has nothing to do with the crucible being filled or not corrently

formal shuttle
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I thought purples ALWAYS go for the fuseboxes?

vagrant wing
#

read the question that person asked and the answer again. No they're not. It has been discovered shortly after launch

formal shuttle
#

huh
TIL
thanks

fluid pier
#

keep in mind this game is full of features and there have been many occasions where the purple still goes for the fuse box despite the glass breaking, heat stacks are 100, etc.

cedar pagoda
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Cmiiw but the purple ads will ignore the fuse box after crucible code reach 75%, so people upstairs can go down and help clearing the ads below. IF the devs fix this then it would be nice, coz it make the 2nd boss more challenging 😁🍺

vagrant wing
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it was never this way. Idk where ppl get those ideas from

humble solar
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If people aint got an 8 min DH or even 9min DH, they cant say its easy lol. And releasing raids in separate parts is pretty much not having one released at all.

fierce jungle
atomic nova
#

A sub 12 a lot of people would be screaming at the end of the raid but let alone a sub 8 would be pretty nuts nowadays

iron lake
#

for the 2nd encounter IH raid, regarding the water pressure. does it need to be at 85?

vagrant wing
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it's written above the valve i think. 85-90 (?) can't remember this days. as long as it's above 85 and below 99 you're good

iron lake
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ohh did not see that above the valve. I will check next time. thank you.

fluid pier
unique rover
#

just did my second IH and got raven

icy hull
flint iris
humble solar
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The fact that people are boasting DH is easy, but think a sub 12 is hard means they havent even begun to get the mechanics down, fully. Not saying anyone sucks lol, just that theres different kinds of mechanics. Anyone could get a sub 15 easily with no real strats. The challenge is getting single digit times. How would yall react to someone saying DH is easy when they have a 4hr clear?

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Oh btw, sub 9 is still doable.

normal mirage
#

Quite sure they are just saying it's an easy raid to do, compared to the other encounters (raids) in the game.

humble solar
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Well shit IH is easy then too. No real dps needed, just 3ish people that know the mechanics, decently, and no problem clearing it

normal mirage
#

easy relative to what?

humble solar
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Any of the legendary strongholds

normal mirage
#

you mean timewise?

humble solar
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That and difficulty of ads

normal mirage
#

I didn't know legendary missions took longer than raids. Guess I got lucky with the groups I'm in 😛

humble solar
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I do legendaries in 30 or so mins. Both raids are still quicker

fierce jungle
#

also, when you are doing DH casually it is pretty easy, but when you implement speed strats and mechanics into it, it gets challenging

fluid pier
safe cosmos
#

Williams is a dps race

flint iris
#

That Razorback pierce was seriously impressive

safe cosmos
#

And if you want to kill Grey fast, dps is also mandatory

humble solar
normal mirage
#

sure buddy.

fierce jungle
#

dude

full prism
flint iris
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25-30 doesn’t sound very casual tbh

fluid pier
humble solar
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Lol i dont lfg, i have a set team

fierce jungle
#

then that's not casual

humble solar
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Its a casual run

full prism
#

of coordinated players

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little bit different than gathering random "casual" players together, but yea you're not wrong if the team is coordinated as a team

humble solar
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Random casual lol 45-50min is pretty doable but i have seen some shitshows 😂. Was just saying if people think DH is so easy, then why dont they have a good time

normal mirage
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You don't need to have a good time, to think it's easy

fierce jungle
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because they aren't going for a good time

fluid pier
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I mean, DH is pretty easy but not when you're gunning for times.

fierce jungle
full prism
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yea speedrunning and "casual" playing are 2 different things i don't think most of the community in div 2 are in it for getting the fastest times

west spruce
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Technically he's right. I am also casually PVE-ing all the time.

full prism
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so it's easy to understand the mechanics and get through it easily, but it doesn't mean gunning for the fastest times all the time

west spruce
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@humble solar then you could try to casually run legendaries through with a set party. You would probably do them faster than IH raid over time.

fluid pier
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You can't get fast times solo. You need a coordinated group to do it with.

normal mirage
#

squak is baiting us, abort, abort

full prism
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can just run DUA solo like @tender hollow sub 20 casually

tame vector
#

someone is throwing anyway

humble solar
normal mirage
#

so uuuh 3rd raid happening soon?

full prism
#

that'd be nice

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"mini" raids div 1 incursions would be nice

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legendary versions of tidal and other strongholds would be nice :l

humble solar
#

They should step it up a notch and give something stupidly challenging for the next raid, imo

full prism
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mmph i think the most of the community don't like long raids like ih

humble solar
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Or allow difficulties on raids. Normal up to legendary

humble solar
#

And build making "logic" drastically hinders groups

proud vector
#

@low zealot die again

#

i need ammo for crossbow

torpid locust
#

How difficult are the raids?

civic dagger
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from 3 or 4 hours of wiping with an inexperienced crew to sub 15 minutes for an experienced one

#

so fairly difficult if a bunch of people don't know what they're doing I guess

torpid locust
#

Is it just difficult combat, or puzzles and trails included?

civic dagger
#

the combat is fine if you can handle heroic content I think, there's more puzzles involved in IH that you should be somewhat prepared for

torpid locust
#

Puzzles are fun yo
That means i need to try IH

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Are they puzzles similar to the NYC hunters, or more of a "do this right or die" puzzle

civic dagger
#

I would say they're probably less puzzles and more team coordination that you need to do right or wipe

torpid locust
#

Ah

rigid onyx
#

You could always just solo them on discovery 😁

torpid locust
#

Maybe

rigid onyx
#

It is possible and a lot of fun, I recommend it.

torpid locust
#

Is one on discovery rn?

tender hollow
#

When do we see that solo morozova Video @rigid onyx ?
Was kinda funny watching the first 3 Bosses

rigid onyx
tender hollow
#

Haha, nice one. Cant wait to see that 😀

light moon
#

anyone join rv7

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one space

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rv6 i mean

fluid pier
dull mountain
#

Keep it discussions only! Go to lfg channel pls!

rigid onyx
charred hornet
#

Stop flexing

#

16hrs gray btw

fluid pier
#

if only....

dull mountain
#

Please keep it casual only!

tranquil ermine
#

ey boys

#

what does the lfg stuff and r6 or what the hell u write in combination with raids mean

rigid onyx
#

LFG=Looking For Group RV6=Raid Voice 6

tranquil ermine
#

makes fkn sense

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thanks bud😘

misty steppe
safe cosmos
#

Noone important probably

orchid girder
#

Grock can u help me get a clear in the IH raid

crystal fern
#

So, I am missing one part for the Ridgeway Armor thingy, can someone help out?

vague swift
quick bluff
#

So is it doable to clear IH with four people? We're kinda new to raids. I had started a clan for a group of friends that we played the first division heavily together and we were going to try our hand at it now that we all got the 2nd while it was on sale. I tried to join a random session to kinda get a feel for it but it dropped me in the middle of it and I had ZERO clue what was going on 😅

vernal frigate
#

which one discovery or normal

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because i think its impossible to do it in normal, four people is hell but might be possible, depending on the gear

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also, discovery raid doesnt give u the ravenous or the chest piece and bag for the future initiative and bulwark set, only normal has a chance

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@quick bluff

fierce jungle
#

4 man is doable however it requires lots of previous experience. if you are looking to do it for the first time then try the lfg channels here.

vernal frigate
#

^ also make a dps build which means 6 red builds

paper charm
#

Has anyone encountered Iron Horse groups that insists the healer wearing Unbreakable (not Future Initiative Tactical Superiority, nor Empathic, nor Kinetic Momentum)?

vernal frigate
#

no, but unbreakable is probably for second chances because they don't have a revive hive

flint iris
#

Healer with unbreakable 🤔

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I can’t think of why that’s necessary unless in the fieser control room, and that’s a “oh shit” measure

paper charm
#

There is such a curious group (not to name names), and they even claim to need it for speed-running. It is supposedly for boss 4, while the healer has no problem staying up. I know it because they are making the resident healer in the clan to farm an Unbreakable Alps Summit (well, she isn't going to).

normal mirage
#

You don't need unbreakable for speed running.

viscid fossil
#

yes you do shumbummm unbreakble is the best chest talent in game, buy my water

fluid pier
azure ruin
autumn flicker
tawdry widget
#

What have you guys been smoking? It's either Reassigned or you might as well just use an Improvised Chest without a talent. Git gud.

cyan ferry
#

can someone explain to me why is ravenous good on razorback ? or is it?

signal basin
small badge
#

hey is anyone running iron horse? im looking for a group to run it

fierce jungle
# signal basin It’s good for the weak points because of the explosive damage you get from it. K...

This is wrong. Sorry. If you read the talent on ravenous you see that when you trigger left shoulder buff you get bonus armor and danger to armor plates. The 2 mini weak points on rzb are considered armor plates. So if you keep stacking the left shoulder buff you can get an insane amount of dmg to the weak points. Pair this with the dodge city holster and a d50 pistol, you can stack the buff, quickly switch to your pistol and one shot the weak points. If you do this correctly you can hit upwards of 200 million dmg. (I once hit for 625 million dmg by stacking the buff 3 times 😆) @cyan ferry

magic dock
#

does anyone want to do dark hours we need 6 more with mikes and know how to play as we are both expierenced

radiant flume
fluid pier
zinc wasp
#

never completed a raid before. any tips to prepare?

radiant flume
radiant flume
zinc wasp
civic dagger
ripe stag
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What's the damage amount needed to break a razorback weakpoint? I ask because I don't really care about setting a record for damage. I just want the job done...so I'd prefer not to use glass cannon.

fluid pier
magic dock
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IH last cp need 2

valid marlin
atomic kraken
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If I was gonna dps in the raid what should my crit hit and dig be at

magic dock
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50-80