#td2-raid-discussions

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keen pumice
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I probably have more raid clears than you.

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I have no trouble with any role in any raid

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But you don't have to have the most optimal thing in the world to have success in a raid.

tender hollow
keen pumice
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Actually I'll delete that

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That's not the point

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This isn't a dick flexing contest.

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But if you want the most optimal thing then PGC and Focus are your only options with Vigilance coyote's mask a classic M1A with rifleman and OOC and a fast hands MG5 or IWI Negev with Steady handed with DTA

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IWI is better with GC and MG5 with Focus

tender hollow
tender hollow
keen pumice
tender hollow
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Hey if you really have 1500 iron horse completions then you clearly don’t need any help from people in here. But just keep in mind that there are also new raiders in here with very few or even zero completions. So recommending that they run a sub-par build isn’t really helping them on their raiding journey.

keen pumice
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Well I was originally in here because I recommended obliterate as a starter talent and some guy started an argument, then you showed up.

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Obliterate isn't a bad talent though is what I want people to understand. Obviously there is stuff that's better but it's still a good talent.

tender hollow
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I’d agree it’s better than Unbreakable.

keen pumice
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Exactly. People have come here from YouTubers like vendoom recommending protection from elites and unbreakable BS

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Transitioning from Unbreakable to Glass Cannon for an unexperienced player is not easy.

tender hollow
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Is that the guy who tires to get people to pay him to make their builds for them?

keen pumice
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Yeah lol

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He literally said a protection from elites build is the best Raid build in TD2

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And it's all fun and games until that purple rusher from IH Boss 4 turns your brains to mush

tender hollow
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Yeah I remember a post where he said he needs to set aside an hour or more to make your build for you. Must be a mechanic, normally they are the only ones who make a 2 minute job take over an hour.

keen pumice
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Yeah, idk. He's just weird

stone oar
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Hello everyone. First time on discord. xb1 looking for raid group to get EB. Can anyone help me out?

obtuse osprey
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3x Ravenous, shame nobody wanted to join our raid run div2shrug

warm wren
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

fluid pier
wheat meteor
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You can get a completion just from doing boss 4, sooo many people did that at the release of IH because they couldnt do the whole raid. So i dont really trust completion leader boards anyway.

fluid pier
uneven garden
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1300！double what’s on Xbox

flint iris
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Message was deleted since then

fierce jungle
flint iris
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Just stating what I saw

fluid pier
flint iris
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I’m pretty sure it’s for platforms, the leaderboards

formal shuttle
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which tasks and roles in Iron Horse need a 100% Hazard Protection build?

marble mesa
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I believe that would be tank

normal mirage
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for speedrunning, but for regular lfg you probably don't need it

formal shuttle
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specifically which encounters, and which tank roles? because I know you don't need a haz tank for 4th boss key tank

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I've been running the raid as DPS and medic, and I'm trying to branch out into haz tank

marble mesa
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From what I've encountered in discovery 2nd and maybe 3rd encounters

formal shuttle
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ah so you haven't run the raid fully yet

marble mesa
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Not on normal yet

formal shuttle
vagrant wing
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@formal shuttle you need some versions of hzd pro for different encounters IF you're planning on speedrunning.

  1. 2nd boss: the person inside the forge has to be immune to fire
  2. 3rd boss: the person doing diagnostics has to be immune to poison
  3. Race against the train 5-6 ppl should be immune to ensnare
  4. 4th boss: the tank should be immune to shock if possible
formal shuttle
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that's stagger tank on 4th, right?

viscid fossil
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no key tank

normal mirage
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What @vagrant wing said. If you are not speedrunning, you don't need 100% haz pro

vagrant wing
formal shuttle
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weird, every time I run a pub Iron Horse we have a haz tank on 2nd and 3rd encounter

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what part of 3rd's diagnostics spews poison?

vagrant wing
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immune to poison implies immune to every SE. That's why i wrote it

formal shuttle
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ah ok, I've never heard it described like that

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so there are no instant-kill triggers on the central balconies? just strong status effects?

vagrant wing
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Regardless, no matter how much hzd pro you have you'll still take dmg from the fire in fire phase. No need to go higher than 96% hzd

vagrant wing
formal shuttle
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it's been my experience that sometimes, having large hazard protection is not enough to avoid dying when the forge spews out fire/steam/electricity

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and I was wondering if that's because the balconies become covered by an instant-kill trigger

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so you can't just cheese the mechanics

vagrant wing
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as i said, Regardless of hzd pro you'll take dmg from the fire (and i think from the steam too). The shock will insta kill you no matter what

gusty pagoda
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Anyone wanna ran Dh for eagle bearer?

formal shuttle
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@gusty pagoda wrong channel, go to #lfg-raid

formal shuttle
vagrant wing
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No. the way hzd pro works is: it reduces the time you will be affected by it. It won't reduce the dmg - so no - you'll die without a healer. It's for:

  1. give you the chance to run through the steam/fire to get to the station and survive
  2. stay up there while the boss poison you
formal shuttle
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huh, I thought high enough hazard protection made you immune to status effects?

vagrant wing
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well, in general (in the open world) that's true. In the raid - not so much

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Oh i forgot @formal shuttle some ppl still use the method of getting the control room window to break. These ppl will prolly want you to run either hzd pro/healer hzd pro (i'd argue that isn't necessary but hey who am i to say that)

formal shuttle
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pure healer is enough to survive the control room

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thanks for the info

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so haz prot is nerfed in the raid and some status effect damage, etc. always leaks through?

vagrant wing
west spruce
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the fire/steam/electricity on IH 3rd boss area is going to kill you no matter what build you have when the alarm is blaring for 4 times if you do not jump down in time; shortly after that is when hazard protection allows you to run through them without getting the effect even though you still take the damage, so hazard protection is useful there if you want to get up early after the alarm is done blaring for quite a bit, but existing effect is still ongoing up there.

vagrant wing
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also also the hzd pro will allow you to turn the valves during pressure phase without the usual delay

dusky bolt
tender hollow
tender hollow
# formal shuttle which tasks and roles in Iron Horse need a 100% Hazard Protection build?

You don’t actually need 100% for anything. For Boss 2 you need 91.4% burn resistance to be immune from fire. For Boss 3 and Foam Alley after it you need 91.4% burn resistance, 93.8% disorient resistance, 93.8% ensnare resistance and 86.0% shock resistance to be immune. But this is only immunity to the status affect itself, not the environmental damage that comes from it. This means you can run through fire and activate valves through steam, but they still damage you.

tender hollow
vagrant wing
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is it now?

tender hollow
vagrant wing
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i'll admit i don't do diagnostics often. But i'm psure you don't want to ruin your run by dying to poison. Also as i said - poison immunity implies every other immunities as well

tender hollow
vagrant wing
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that's not what meant. The numbers i have show you reach poison immunity at 96%. As for stacking poison resistance, i was under the impression there're no mods for it and you have to invest in hzd pro for it (correct me if i'm wrong here)

tender hollow
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I’ve never actually tried stacking poison resistance so that may be correct. But it’s definitely 89.2% for poison resistance. I run diagnostics in our team I don’t use poison resistance.

vagrant wing
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again i used poison cause according to my numbers thats the highest threshold. Also i did get targeted once or twice by the boss while i was up there for whatever reason, so, as i see it, i wouldn't want to ruin a run due to death from poison

quasi urchin
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is it possible to get the eagle bearer or ravenous from after defeating the bosses besides the bonus crate ?

kindred moss
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@quasi urchin yes, 1% chance on each boss the first time you loot them after a reset.

tender hollow
vagrant wing
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whatever works i guess. As i see it you can reach 97-98% hzd pro with a full red build. Your DPS gonna suffer no matter what, so in my eyes, investing a bit more into hzd to reach that 96% threshold is safer

tender hollow
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Has anyone seen a change with razorback in DH and drone dmg with Pulse?

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Whatever works. For boss three the most important thing is being able to get up on the tower early and being able to use the button and valves without being status affected. So as long as you can do that it’s a good build.

tender hollow
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Last week

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My clan has run a couple of raids and the pulse builds don't seem to kill all the drones. The first pulse doesn't kill all drones, so some need to be killed by dps before pulse cooldown

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I haven’t noticed a change. I’d check and make sure something isn’t missing off the build like a skill damage mod or even a specialisation change. Is your drone killer using technician?

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Build hasn't changed, it's been a few people. Not sure about the specialisation

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We run alot of raids

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Could just be bugged. Maybe drop the raid and start a fresh? I was going to ask if it could be a timing issue but if you guys do a lot of raids it’s probably not that.

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I did a few dark hours raids in the last couple of hours and I didn’t notice anything different. Not on Xbox anyway

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Well this is PC. First one we quit and next day we continues from checkpoint and did it using a different strat

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We did the same with a fresh raid and same thing

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^ you don't even need any hazard pro for boss 2 and 3. Boss 2 you can just cheese it with 10% hazard pro on your watch and run in when its time to do water. Boss 3, you can just go up the chain [i think] and stand on the edge until the fire/electricity/steam goes off then run to diagnostics. However lfg groups will 99% use a haz pro tank as its just quicker + easier and plus the tank can proc vanguard or tank stuff.

tender hollow
tender hollow
hardy shell
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If I remember correctly,you get weapon handling for staying in cover over time

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So the reload time will be lower

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->more time to keep the obliterate stacks

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And,if you have to stuck with a laser pointer over a 5% chc laser,and spotter,how can that beat a famas or a police m4 on obliterate and max chc?

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I mean,I’m no math expert,but I can clearly see that 15<25

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And fast hands just lowers reload speeds by 80% at max stacks

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And in raids,you just can’t really run out of targets

vagrant wing
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If I remember correctly,you get weapon handling for staying in cover over time
So the reload time will be lower
first time i'm hearing this. No offense but i suspect it's not true.

And,if you have to stuck with a laser pointer over a 5% chc laser,and spotter,how can that beat a famas or a police m4 on obliterate and max chc
It's only 5% you know. If that what makes the difference i feel like something is wrong with the build

I mean,I’m no math expert,but I can clearly see that 15<25
again Spotter is multiplicative while Obliterate is additive. Now, sure if you calculate obliterate as 25% no matter what the multiplication factor will be 1.5 while Spotter will give 1.43... something. However it doesn't work like that, so in my eyes 15% multiplicative dmg out right, no uptime or buildup is way way better

eager kite
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Does anyone know where to get the 5th key in dark hour?

vagrant wing
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Drops from Razorback itself every time you beat it

eager kite
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I went and tried to blow up the door for the i assumr my last key cause i never been in the room and i won't open

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Its before lucy and buddy

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Is there a specific way to open it?

vagrant wing
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i didn't understand what you said, sorry. Can you rephrase your sentence?

eager kite
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Ok so i got every key except for the one room where you have to throw a gernade into it to make it open

Everytime i throw the gernade it doesn't open the door

vagrant wing
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What grenade are you throwing?

eager kite
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The normal one

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Concussion gernade

little onyx
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The angle is tricky sometimes. Just try a few different angles and you’ll get it

eager kite
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Is there suppose to be a spark everyti.e you throw it?

hardy shell
hardy shell
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My bad

vagrant wing
hardy shell
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Thanks man

tender hollow
hardy shell
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"chc"

atomic nova
hardy shell
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Oof,forgot to say it’s for gunner specs

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only

verbal mist
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@eager kite you have to throw a grenade in above the door . It’s a window so the grenade breaks the lock on the backside of the door

fluid pier
twin ember
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Guys when you run FI in control room 2nd boss, does the buff apply to your teammates or will it flicker on and off as you're taking dmg and healing in the CP room?

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I thought FI buff applies so long as that individual is at full armor, not necessarily the healer at full armor

tawdry widget
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@twin ember Individual at max armour.

frail bolt
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Sorry for newbie question, what's the "RV" stand for in the lfg-raid group?

vagrant wing
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raid voice. Should be followed with a number @frail bolt

frail bolt
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Oh ok tyty

verbal mist
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I had like 460 lvl 30 dh clears Xbox .

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Not sure now . I think 17 mins and maybe 50 or so . And I think 60 ih

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Not sure why some flex their numbers . I lfg sometimes and learn something almost every time even low level players

tender hollow
verbal mist
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Yeah I agree @tender hollow

tender hollow
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It’s a shame really. Back at the beginning of Year 1 Dark Hours you didn’t get a completion unless you ran the raid from start to finish. Being able to compete on the completion leaderboard and the speed run leaderboard kept a lot of people playing the game. Didn’t matter what time of day it was, it was always easy to find a dark hours LFG post. I’d love to know why they changed it.

viscid fossil
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im sure you could back then it wasn't something people knew about so it wasnt really exploited compared to today

hardy shell
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I thought playing more than 3 hours a day is bad until I saw that 5 hours first DH run

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How long did it take for whoever it was to complete IH first?

smoky tapir
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i wanna say it was just over 8 but i cant fully remember. I remember the 2nd and 3rd bosses each took several hours

tender hollow
vagrant wing
hardy shell
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Lol

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But why didn’t they ban the spreadsheet guy?

hardy shell
vagrant wing
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It doesn't matter. The basics still stands. The way the dmg has been calculated hasn't changed since @hardy shell

tender hollow
hardy shell
tender hollow
vagrant wing
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To be clear @hardy shell i gave you that link so you'll be able to understand what multiplicative vs additive means. I didn't want you to create that build or anything else

hardy shell
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😮

lament dragon
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@hardy shell There are 3 types of damage multipliers:

  1. Increase weapon damage (this will only increase your base weapon damage).
  2. Increase total weapon damage (total weapon damage = the damage number that you see when you inspect your build. Total weapon damage is base weapon damage + additional damage that you get from red core attributes and brand/gear set bonuses.
  3. Amplify damage (the best multiplier, this is calculated from the final damage output taking into account crit damage, head shot damage, talents etc and then multiplying it at the end).
    Example:
    Base weapon damage of M1A is about 200k.
    Total weapon damage of M1A on an all red meta build is about 500k.
    But, actually M1A on a red dps build with vigilance, fox prayer knee pads and contractor gloves hits about 2 million crit headshot.
    You can easily see the huge difference between adding 10% weapon damage (10% of 200k is 20k), 10% total weapon damage (10% of 500k is 50k) and 10% amplified damage (10% of 2 million is 200k).
hardy shell
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Woah

lament dragon
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@hardy shell you're welcome

vagrant wing
# lament dragon <@!606360692148273154> There are 3 types of damage multipliers: 1. Increase wea...

what?! no no no. it doesn't work like that at all. Again if you guys have doubts watch that vid i posted The fomula looks like that:
final_dmg = base_dmg * (1 + wpn_dmg + wpn_type_dmg) * (1 + HSD + CHD) * (1 + talent_wpn_dmg_(additive) + talent_wpn_dmg_(additive)) * (1 + talent_wpn_dmg_(multiplicative)) * (1 + talent_wpn_dmg_(multiplicative)) * (1 + DTA) * (1 + DTH) *(1+ OOC)
where:
base_dmg is the number shows when you enable it withing weapons->option->show base dmg (it's rounded. If you want the actual number - there's a spreadsheet somewhere...)

wpn_dmg is the % on your gear like your core attributes for example or the buff from W&H

wpn_type_dmg is the % you gain from specializations or for example 10% AR dmg from fenris gear brand

talent_wpn_dmg_(additive) any talent (chest/bp) that says 'increase' in it's description

talent_wpn_dmg_(multiplicative) any talent (chest/bp) that says 'amplified' in it's description.

now if we go back to the original discussion:
Obliterate & vigilance will give (1 + talent_wpn_dmg_(additive) + talent_wpn_dmg_(additive)) == ( 1 + 0.25 + 0.25) == 1.5 multiplier
Spotter & vigilance (1 + talent_wpn_dmg_(additive) + talent_wpn_dmg_(additive)) * (1 + talent_wpn_dmg_(multiplicative)) == (1 + 0.25) * (1 + 0.15) ~ 1.47

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@hardy shell && @lament dragon
actually now that i read your msg couple times - it does works like that. My mistake @lament dragon sorry about that

hardy shell
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Well fuck,it’s even more confusing now

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I need a moment

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But even with the math you showed,15>1.47?

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I kinda get the math,but not the logic?

vagrant wing
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The logic based around the fact that you're not getting that 1.5 multiplier with obliterate out right. First there's a build up time (which is a factor of your RPM && missed shots % && chc && whatever function they're using to determine the chc for the next shot [if there's any]). Second even if you want to you can't keep that 25% at all time because of it's "uptime" (Now here we're going into the realm of probability and i'm the first to admit that i'm suck at it so i won't even try). However it's again dependent on the factors we mentioned so... i would guess that on average you get about 20% from Obliterate (i can't back that claim tho) so based on the above - i prefer spotter whenever i can. If however i'm tied to certain Specialization and can't use Focus/GC then sure - i'll take Obliterate but for me it's at the end of the list

hardy shell
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So you’re saying that you can’t achieve 1.5 continuously,but with 1.47 you are guaranteed to have that up as long as you’re aiming the scopes?

vagrant wing
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in a nutshell - yes

hardy shell
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Also can you post your YT channel link?im really interested in what you post,with all these maths and stuff

vagrant wing
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the vid isn't mine. It's from a well known youtuber with a big community if i'm not mistaken. I don't own that vid nor claim to own it. However the numbers checks out (with like 10K difference ish)

verbal mist
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It is odd . I run lfg during week sometimes and rarely see spotter . I’ve been running it for a while and have had newbs question it many times

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The pulse alone helps . The dmg is great but it’s nice to highlight the enemies

molten hearth
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is IH hard?

icy hull
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yes and no, depends entirely on your groups ability.

light zephyr
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Hey guys I've completed foundry and future projects ... And the 2 following gear projects ... now need to collect regulus parts... Do these drop at random from bosses or should they all just drop the next full ih raid I run? As I've just completed the raid again yet no parts dropped from bosses ?

molten hearth
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they all drop from the next full ih raid you run

light zephyr
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Does it need to be fresh run for the week maybe?

molten hearth
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i don't think so

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also is negotiator's dillema good for raid DPS builds

light zephyr
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Damn seems I have some kind of bug then

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I don't believe so

molten hearth
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maybe it has to be next week, i don't know i just think

light zephyr
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Most ppl use all gold for DPS Providence grupo walker etc

icy hull
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They drop from bosses for 1st kill of week.@light zephyr

molten hearth
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ah

light zephyr
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Ahh great thx @icy hull

icy hull
molten hearth
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sick

icy hull
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wrong channel, please use the LFG raid one. @silver wharf

atomic nova
light zephyr
glacial sand
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I’ve never done the raid I want the eagle bearer anyone willing to help

warm wren
burnt cairn
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Anyone doing Iron Horse today

glacial sand
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Never done it but I can help

formal brook
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Anyone doing the raid on ps4, I've never done any of the raids

frosty remnant
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PSA - Beware of Luis_Figo_07. He joined our raid and purposely shot incorrect boxes on boss two of IH. Did it three runs in a row.

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Hate to drag someone in the dirt but we are positive he was doing it.

pastel storm
manic tundra
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is it dark hours or iron horse for the eagle barer ar drop? thx

hardy shell
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DH

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DH is kinda ez,just need a cookie cutter dps build for starters

manic tundra
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awesome thxx!

verbal mist
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Clan ran dh last night all 8 had skill builds . We made it to buddy and Lucy and had to switch to dps. Kinda fun

severe jungle
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we usually do our silly build raids on IH. Skill builds work surprisingly well

hardy shell
molten steppe
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Dh is easy , but on final fight stage 4 you need good skill player who disable drones

drowsy ivy
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dont have to be good, just skilled with the right Hard wire build and knows when to alternative between the crossbow and emp

eager patrol
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can EB drop after we done weekly raid? i did mine yesterday but no EB, i was planning to farm DH if the EB can drop eventho i finished the weekly.

cunning night
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As long as you got keys to open the final chest, it can drop from there.

eager patrol
cunning night
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Razorback should drop a key every completion

eager patrol
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thanks for the info

blissful thorn
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Do u need DLC to make the raids ?

valid marlin
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@blissful thorn Nope

amber lynx
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How long is the iron horse raid? Is it difficult?

icy hull
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Depends entirely on your group. Can be a complete cake walk and take like ~30 mins or could be very hard and take hours.

amber lynx
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@icy hull ok thanks!!

fierce jungle
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A regular lfg run without wipes will usually take 50 mins to an hour

ocean ibex
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Need 4 for dark hours raid if anyone wants in

modest marlin
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where to get ironworks base materials?

cunning night
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It’s part of the weekly loot drops on IH bosses.

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They only drop on the first clear of each boss per a week.

ocean ibex
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Need 5 for iron horse

normal mirage
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np lemme just go out and buy a PS4 brb 1.5h

valid marlin
grand tide
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Quick question. Looking to do a DH, but exactly how difficult is this raid

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Sorry i meant iron horse not dark hour

vagrant wing
last scaffold
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that's a good preview of the raid, helped me a lot when I was looking for some guides

grand tide
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Well at least i know how to do the furnace section

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His raid seems very easy just mechcanically heavy. Mechanics are my strong suit so it shouldnt take long for me to learn this

last scaffold
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yea it's not hard once you get it

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@worn cargo check that youtube link I posted right above

worn cargo
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oh cool bet

hardy shell
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when you fight Lucy and Buddy,which one do you shoot first in priority?

vagrant wing
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you mean 'which one you kill first'? it doesn't really matter which one you shoot first especially in a good group

hardy shell
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i did remember a guy telling me to shoot them in order so that they dont heal or do that overcharge thing

vagrant wing
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huh? no idea then

tender hollow
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like Adler posted if your team has dps it doesn't matter. if your team's dps is not so good, kill lucy first, as buddy goes into overcharge (armor repairs faster) if lucy dies before him

hardy shell
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im gonna do my (actual) first raid

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last time i quitted at razorback after,like,15 wipes

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just because we keep forgetting the wipe

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also im running a 95%-ish dps build

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replaced the last providence piece for a grupo cuz its godrolled

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PGC cuz i dont have a all-red providence

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perfect vigilance for 25% dmg buff

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and a godrolled walker cuz contractors doesnt seem to be my cup of tea

last scaffold
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I think why contractor's is good because the 8% is multiplicative? where as most things are additive

vagrant wing
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that's correct

hardy shell
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funny how the guy invited to a raid is the wt5 guy with no dlc

vagrant wing
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take it with caution tho. It's equal roughly to 20% additive dmg (on my build it'll change for different builds) however - it's only good against enemies with armor ofc

hardy shell
vagrant wing
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It's best in slot in my opinion period. However many ppl won't agree with me here 🙂
I will say that tho - on the raids where most of the adds does have armor it's definitely best in slot

hardy shell
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a guy in my raid is refusing to wipe

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he tries to beat boomer alone lol

last scaffold
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this is when you kick him from the raid for wasting everyone else's time lol

hardy shell
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big oof

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3 guys just suddenly left midway

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so we're stuck with boomer

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and have to scrap the run

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😦

verbal cypress
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@vagrant wing You dont like running 2 piece walker harris for the 5%

vagrant wing
verbal cypress
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Correct

vagrant wing
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2 pcs WH are still no match to the contractor's + let's say Grupo (or even WH 🙂 ). I personally don't have any PvE dmg builds without the contractors. I do however has a build with both (Contractor's & WH)

verbal cypress
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fair, Ive been weighing up whether contracts +2pc walker harris, coyotes and fox prayers
whether its better of swap out contracts for a piece of providence etc
yeah you lose 3% dmg to armour or 8% depending how you look at it but yeah

sly wasp
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hey guys question....if your on the last step of regulus (exotic components from bosses/chest) and you have already completed the raid this week....do you have to wait until reset to get the pieces to drop or can you run it again?

verbal cypress
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I was told you had to wait. Had all my stuff done last week then first raid this week I got regulus

sly wasp
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ok because the bosses still drop loot on additional runs so i thought maybe.....

vagrant wing
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You can get 1 piece by opening the chest at the end without waiting. You'll have to wait for next week of the other 4

sly wasp
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ok thanks

severe jungle
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whats the shield build used for on DH?

pine aurora
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Nothing

civic sluice
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can someone help me withe iron horse ?

smoky tapir
amber lynx
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If anyone is planning on doing a fresh is raid on ps4 dm me.

austere lotus
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havent done DH raid since before the expansion came out. Looking to do level 40 raid, is it still the same? What build is the best for it and do you need a lot of health when you get to the plane part and having to take out the chungas?

smoky tapir
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its still basically the same as always

austere lotus
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ok so having a good dps build then

smoky tapir
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ya that hasn't changed, really if anything the 2nd boss is "slightly" easier since you dont need to build a +health build anymore

austere lotus
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ah you answered what I wanted to know about the health. Good to know, thanks

rugged hawk
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Is there text chat option in voice channels ?

tawdry widget
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@rugged hawk No, voice channels are for voice.

hardy shell
gaunt terrace
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Is Iron Horse ×××1000 easier if everyone is talking and cooperating

tender hollow
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^ no its not easier than Dark Hours

warm wren
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DH is simple mechanics and DPS checks, IH is harder mechanics and "less" dps checks

hardy shell
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“Very simple mechanics”

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Yeah if only everyone did their research beforehand

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There was this one dude who keeps luring Boomer around and no actually turning his back to the minigun

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And when everyone’s down,he still tries to 1v1 boomer

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With his bulwark ass build

gaunt terrace
gaunt terrace
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Something that I found particular annoying about playing with randoms was the only person able to activate the autocannon is the one who picks up the key, yet in Main Missions you can have one teammate pick up a key (for example the basement key on AHM) and that one key is shared among all agents. Did they make collecting keys on IH different just to add to the complexity?

normal mirage
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Raids are generally made to be more mechanically challenging than the average missions.

hardy shell
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But yeah,weird

hardy shell
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You want complexity?just copy paste the Kenly Chapel part when you have to turn the valves to open the water line

pine aurora
olive rain
next stirrup
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If anyone can take me through DH to try for EB then dm me

old jay
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if anyone want to do iron horse join raid voice 2

bright abyss
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i opened the raid loot box (end of mission) yesterday does this mean i have to wait till monday or friday to reopen it?

old jay
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i thinmk so

bright abyss
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to end of week monday?

old jay
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not suere

tawdry widget
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@bright abyss You can open it as many times as you want, during the week, as long as you have 5 keys.

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If your question is regarding raid reset day, that's on Tuesday.

bright abyss
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thanks 😄

silent latch
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to get the project from iron horse do you have too do the wole raid or just kill the last boss?

lapis sedge
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Yo dark hours need 4

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Anybody

flint iris
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Try the lfg channels bud

eager patrol
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can we still farm razorback for keys? or do we need do the DH raid from the start for the guarantee drop?

exotic sail
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You kill razorback n u get 1 key

tawdry solar
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where is the information on ravenous drop rate?

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is it 10% for first day of reset week?

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is the drop rate better on tuesdays?

royal fulcrum
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should be 10%

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any day

flint iris
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*from the final crate

eager patrol
uneven garden
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Your character in the raid gets the key

tender hollow
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Which raid do you think would be the best one to learn and complete first?

bleak mason
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DH is is easier ... less mechanics ... just have a build for it ... 3 pc prov, coyote mask, fox prayer knees, 1 grupo, m1a with boomerang or ranger talent

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Just a recommendation for a new to DH player...

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IH has far more mechanics and most roles are specific builds

cerulean radish
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The biggest mechanics check is Williams. He's a royal pain and even has a wipe mechanic AFTER he dies.

exotic sail
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I've met people doing IH as first raid. For my suprise, we made it til 3rd boss. Although as Sixpix says, DH is far more easier, as you dont really need more than DPS and 1 tech guy.

exotic sail
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Once you make up with a good team, you could go to 1 cache/Day with no problems at all 😁

nocturne quartz
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I have no idea how to raid on this game. I’m willing to learn after I beat the warlord campaign

tender hollow
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LF raid group did DH till razorback on normal (know the mechanics and roles) havent touched IH yet but did story with a group of russian dudes

gilded heath
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IH is a bit more complex, also depending on the role, dps is always the easiest role to play, tank and healer have a lot to do in IH

halcyon carbon
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hi guys

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yes

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here

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LOL

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all gone

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hi guys

verbal mist
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@flint iris 👆

flint iris
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Hmm

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Seems fine for now

cerulean radish
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So is the etiquette in the LFG raid channel just join the RV group when they ask for more?

normal mirage
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Yep

stone comet
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Iron horse Key run?

bleak mason
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Better luck if you use #lfg-raid-pc

stone comet
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cheers

sterile latch
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Anyone willing to take 2 noobs through DH?

gloomy girder
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Hi guys i search a groups for playing raid DH

smoky tapir
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use the lfg channel

gloomy girder
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Okay thanks

clear parrot
tender hollow
clear parrot
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Ooooo, okay, thanks!

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And if someone writes "exp" behind the lfg, that would mean "experienced" with the run, right?

marble mesa
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Yes

valid marlin
spiral hill
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Anyone know a good build for dunking off with Morozova

viscid kelp
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Does the EB drop on discovery

tame vector
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no

viscid kelp
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I thought so been trying know over 4 months trying to get it nearly 50 runs

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Is it Wright some one told me to reset on normal create I've tried that but I can't get 8 player's any tips how to get in normal raid DH

tawdry widget
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@viscid kelp go to #lfg-raid-pc wait for someone to start / say they need people for a DH raid, jump in the voice channel, explain it's your first time but you've done Discovery.

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EB will not drop from Discovery, no matter if you reset on Normal a switch to Discovery. Just like the keys won't appear in the boxes and the last box will not be accessible. Whoever told you that is wrong or just wanted to troll you.

viscid kelp
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Ok the funny thing is I've got all the keys even the last boss raserback and then going up to the back ramp to open the box it's Always closed its telling me to wait another week for the next boss drop it's annoying and every day I'm doing DH raid having the luck that it might drop no such luck

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It's like playing the lottery this game 😩 😩 😩 💩 💩

tawdry widget
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It doesn't open for Discovery. Hence why you can't get the EB in Discovery.

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I'm not sure why you're hoping for something to drop in Discovery, that is never going to drop in Discovery ... ever. No matter how many times you run it.

verbal mist
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How can you have keys ?

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Raid has to be normal to get keys and open the box .

smoky tapir
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you cant even get to the box in discovery

drowsy ivy
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the Cargo plane 's cargo crate thing won't open, and Molly's door remains closed

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just do it in normal with a team, it is not "that" hard

grim star
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its hard if you need to be carried 😄

exotic sail
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I hope someone can answer this question. We've been trying IH for a long time, but we got stuck in the second boss.

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Everytime the time passes, our tank's health gets lower everytime and we don't know how to avoid that

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Is there something like a trick or it depends on the time..?

tender hollow
exotic sail
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The guy with tank role

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To avoid fieser break the glass on the 2nd floor

tender hollow
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and i think your talking about summit

exotic sail
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No

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Have you done IH?

tender hollow
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oh iron horse

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no i have not done it

exotic sail
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Okay xD

tender hollow
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Have you tried 4 piece foundry bullwark + 100% Burn resist ?

exotic sail
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Thats what we're rocking now

smoky tapir
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if your doing the strat to prevent teh glass break, you need to have 2 people

exotic sail
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But the health gets dmg too

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We can do it with one

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If his health doesn't get hurt

smoky tapir
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burn resist doesn't prevent the overheat damage, only the "on fire damage"

exotic sail
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Tank isn't overheat ATM

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When that happens

tender hollow
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Health is only a Problem with the armor breaking on the tank Player.
Try Adrenalin rush and vanguard as talents. This will give extra survivability to the Player Inside. Keepers in mind that Player needs to Reset the heat stacks if the group is somewhat Slow with shooting the Codes.

smoky tapir
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they should be near full reseting anytime hes doing the room wipe explosion

exotic sail
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We'll try that then... again lol

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Thanks 🙂

smoky tapir
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its easier with 2 cycling in due to the overheat

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but personally i prefer the glass break method, healing in the control room is simple

cunning night
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I have seen health drop when still having armor before. It hasn’t happened in a while though.

vast musk
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Yeah had that before where it ignores my armor and just goes for the health right away, think it's just another feature

exotic sail
fierce jungle
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I believe it happen when the codes take too long

heady scaffold
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hello hello, do i have to wait to another weekly reset after i got the regulus project or can i just do it right away?

cunning night
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Parts won't drop if you already cleared the bosses.

heady scaffold
exotic sail
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Still getting tank's health lower in fieser

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Can that be caused cuz a wrong code?

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A single one I mean

slender kite
fierce jungle
exotic sail
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We're trying fast

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idk.. we'll keep trying

analog raft
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hey when you get the regulus quest, can you just redo the raid even if youve done it for the parts, or does it have to be fresh?

cunning night
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Parts drop on your first weekly clear of each boss and final crate. If you ran it already this week, you have to wait for weekly reset.

analog raft
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thats so scuuufffed lol

cunning night
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It does have a bit of a time gate to it.

analog raft
#

yea, i feel like the chest and bps along with this huge quest for an essentially ornamental revolver was dumb

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from raid exclusive

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with no targeted drops

cunning night
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Finding the chests and backpacks from raid is probably the hardest. Just ask if anyone doesn’t need it, if they could drop it.

tender hollow
# exotic sail But the health gets dmg too

Easist way is for the tank to enter the forge for 1 second to trigger the encounter, then come out. From the corner of the A airlock, when the door is open, you can read the codes above B airlock. You don't need to go in. After you read the code, go out and help with ads on A. Repeat 4 more times shooting a rocket at the canon when you need to.

[stuff happens with the cauldron and its poured eventually on the canon. help kill ads on A in the meantime].

Get them to open A and from the airlock send in an assault drone to attack the boss take aggro and trigger a wipe. Help with ads. After the wipe happens get the guy in the control room to let you in and run to the water gun and shoot it at the canon when its ready. Your job is done.

Ideally for this "easy way" the tank also has Vanguard, which you should try to proc as often as you can, or Tardigrade.

exotic sail
brave heath
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can anyone share the sniper build to 1hit chungas in IH boss 4? cant seem to find the right one anywhere online. TIA!

warm ibex
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@brave heath: Aces mask and holster, chainkiller chest, airaldi backpack with vigilance, contractors and sawyers kneepads. All Rolls chc and chd, chc 35% rest chd

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You need at least 2 snipers!

outer lark
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why chc and chd and not shd? Is there a reason for that? @warm ibex

brave heath
brave heath
warm ibex
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Chc and chd because you net to get your stacks for headhunter. For the chainkiller you just need 150% hsd which you get from the nemesis.
@brave heath if you dont hit the head you loose your stacks!!
You need 2 sniper because you cant oneshot them atm. First sniper breakes the helmet (the one with more stacks) second one kills!
If you plan on insta killing the heavies there is no one on the spawn doors! NEVER!! You need the adds to keep up your stacks! Noone is killing the adds as long as they are lets say not in the middle of distance.

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Most of the adds should be killed by snipers!

muted horizon
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That's a very low HSD amount.

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Is that an IH thing where it should be lower?

warm ibex
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Yea but you do not need more. Why more?

tender hollow
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Thing is, you only need 150% HSD to get the full Benefit from chainkiller.
Also chd does scale alot better than HSD even if you aim for the head. You can also rely on teammates for buffing chc and chd. That is not possible for HSD

vagrant wing
brave heath
muted horizon
brave heath
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nah man. ive had the other parts completed aside from the blueprint 2 weeks ago. and 3weeks before that is when i started questing it, never had it invaded ever since.

tawdry widget
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@brave heath @outer lark @warm ibex @muted horizon @tender hollow @vagrant wing Before you can hit the chunga's head you need to first break his helmet, that doesn't count as a head, counts as armour like the rest of the body. That's the reason why you don't need head shot damage and crit hit damage is better. That's also why you need two people, one to break the helmet, the other to kill.

muted horizon
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If you've got 2 ppl, why not have one as a standard DPS to break the helmet and the 2nd as a Sniper to hit the head?

tawdry widget
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Because maybe one has head hunter buff one time, the other one doesn't or vice versa.

muted horizon
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Even at a full 60% CHC, you're still gonna need luck to hit a crit Headshot.

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this is relying a lot on luck.

tawdry widget
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You don't need a crit to break the helmet. You need head hunter buff.

muted horizon
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then why the crit in the first place?

tawdry widget
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Because headshot damage is useless, since he doesn't have a head.

muted horizon
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If you're taking up 1/4 of the raid team just for this job, why not just kill the heavies another way?

tawdry widget
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Better ask the people that's getting sub 20 minutes. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Maybe they're wrong and you are right.

muted horizon
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Okay you're one of those people, I'm done here.

tawdry widget
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I'm not, you're the one that apparently know better when other people has tried it all and have come to this conclusion.

muted horizon
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I was asking a question, and you responded with "well you don't know better than me".

vagrant wing
warm ibex
tawdry widget
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Nop, I answered "Because headshot damage is useless, since he doesn't have a head." Which was a direct answer to the question "then why the crit in the first place?"

muted horizon
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Anyway, if all you want to do is kill the heavies, why not just use another method to do it?

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I'm just curious why you'd advocate for taking an MMR build with under half the standard HSD.

vagrant wing
muted horizon
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Thank you for giving an answer that wasn't throwing a glass against the wall.

tawdry widget
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Again, because for that specific encounter, where the job of those two guys is to kill the Chungas as soon as the door opens, before they drop to the floor. That's the way to do it.

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It's just for that specific thing. Not for open world, not for missions. Just that job.

muted horizon
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Does anyone use the Survivalist Tree in a standard speedy team?

tawdry widget
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Yes, when you can apply a status to the boss and that buffs the team's damage.

warm ibex
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Every speedrun team uses survivalist! Its basic for the healer except morozova

vagrant wing
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Anyhow the whole chc/hsd debate was way off course. If you're running that build and you're hitting that 30M mark there's no need to put chd on top of that

muted horizon
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Thoughts on using the crossbow as a heavy killer instead?

vagrant wing
tawdry widget
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It's slower. But works.

muted horizon
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I mean by hitting the chest, which pops the plate off, then you can do direct health damage.

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basically the same as shooting them up the butt.

tawdry widget
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The detonation time doesn't make it fast enough for him to not drop to the floor.

muted horizon
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well not hitting the chest exactly, more like the lower chest/above the belt area.

vagrant wing
warm ibex
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@vagrant wing yea but then its getting to complicated to explain. My team also uses a dps with survivalist for boss 2
Reply to survivalist

muted horizon
tawdry widget
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The idea behind the two snipers is for the chunga to die as soon as the door opens, before they jump from those large "pipes". Then, if the whole team is at the back, behind the tank, the key will drop on the closest player, the tank. So he can insert it in the Avenger as soon as possible.

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This jumps swipes phases and makes the encounter just go faster.

warm ibex
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There is no faster way! Check youtube for the speeds

dusky bolt
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Stack HSD, proc full headhunter stacks, land your shot on chunga's head. What's so difficult to understand?

vagrant wing
vagrant wing
warm ibex
dusky bolt
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It's not rocket science. -.-

muted horizon
warm ibex
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Kind of

vagrant wing
muted horizon
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Not new to the concept. Used to be in the top 10 for speedruns on Warframe's Trials.

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god I miss those.

vagrant wing
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not speedrun concept... nvm

muted horizon
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I know lol, just yanking your chain.

dusky bolt
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@muted horizon before you go testing, know that HSD and CHD are in the same multiplier category.

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praying for a crit != landing a headshot

muted horizon
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Not exactly new to all this, but thank you for the advice.

viscid fossil
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its the easiest way to kill the chunga efficiently at a distance, issue with crossbow is its aye random hit at aye distance. the helmet is around 20mil.

rigid onyx
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My HH build is rolled for headshot damage not crit for final boss on IH

fierce jungle
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yup hsd is more reliable and consistent, especially if you need to kill the chunga without stacks after the helmet is broken

rigid onyx
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We also have 2 ppl on HH in case one doesn’t have stacks and a third player backup snipes with focus

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Consistency is key, you really on HH stacks to crack helmet not crit

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Just mentioning this to clear up any confusion 😁

warm ibex
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Lets agree that hh is fastest method. As long as you have stacks it doesnt matter if hsd or chd. Both work! With pros and cons on each strat

rigid onyx
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Hey man I just work here part time

frosty rock
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For those chatting about using HH on 4th boss for speed running, here's my thoughts on it. Using HH on boss 4 is my mind the most efficient way of doing boss 4. Period. No matter what you're doing (normal vs faraday). As long as you have a couple guys that can hit headshots, it's going to be your fastest method of: A clearing ads, and B killing the chungas. This solves all of your problems on boss 4 except shooting rockets, which can be left to the other 6 people in the raid (except the tank who should be doing keys). It's actually insane the difference 2 good HH's can make when doing boss 4. Even in LFG's, just get everyone to stand in the back and let the HH's do their job. If ads start to get to the back of the map, it's perfectly fine for other people to shoot them, but as I've played the HH role for a long time now, it's A LOT easier if people DON'T shoot the ads unless they are going to kill you.

rigid onyx
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When 4 man boss 4 goes smoother than LFG runs cuz 2 HH 👀

frosty rock
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Answers to previous questions:

Crossbow does not detonate quick enough to be able to kill the chunga consistently before he drops. There's also a door barrier on the train that creates an immunity period for the chunga to not get hit by projectiles. This means you have to wait till the chunga is out of the train and running before you can actually tag him with the crossbow

Ravenous + M1A is a perfectly viable strategy for killing the chungas, although extremely more difficult than the double HH method, it is doable and our friends over on console that don't have as much ability to HH have shown us that. Although, if you are trying to get times close to the top (meaning sub 21 and lower) I don't think you will be able to do it because the chungas have to die very very quickly to be able to catch all of the cycles of the gun in the back. If you aren't insta killing the chungas the second that door opens, you will be too slow and lose about 35 to 40 seconds every time you miss a cycle of the gun.

As for HSD vs CHD on your HH build, i've found that there is a comfortable mix between the two as yes, the chunga helmet does NOT accept HSD, but when the helmet is off, obviously HSD will help. The mix that I think is the best is having just enough HSD to be able to kill the chunga with his helmet off, once you have that, spec the rest into CHD to help with breaking the helmet in case no one has stacks. It's actually insane the amount of times having CHD on my build has affected being able to break his helmet when no one has stacks, and because I'm wearing the Coyote's Mask, I'm also most likely giving myself 10 or 25% CHC as well.

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Although, cocky and a tad bit arrogant, Astro is right LOL. There is a reason some 4 man IH's have better boss 4's than LFG's

rigid onyx
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Woah man, it’s only joke

frosty rock
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lol

coral oxide
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how much damage do you need to do to 1 shot the shield adds with regulus on IH?

rigid onyx
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In all seriousness though it was a statement made to justify the point of HH being the best strat for boss 4

frosty rock
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@coral oxide I'm not actually sure, but I can tell you that running The Sacrifice, Punch Drunk, Vigi, and Dodge City Gunslinger is the play there, You can kill them with like have stacks from the holster

coral oxide
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just wondering if i need to do all of that, or just get away with punch drunk + holster

rigid onyx
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If you want consistency then you should run sacrifice IMO

frosty rock
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well, idk what exactly you're doing, but for us, speedrunning, it just makes a lot of sense to wear all of that because we're insta killing everything out of doors with regulus and grenades

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And if you're looking for my opinion on builds, well, I just simply don't believe in hybrid builds. Putting a few blue pieces on your build is going to heavily affect your DPS, but in return give you maybe a couple milliseconds longer to stay alive. The pros and cons are just not balanced enough, you're losing way too much damage for not enough armor (or time alive) for it to be worth it

coral oxide
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my normal build is cc + chd, just wondering if anyone knew a number so i could play with the shooting range and see how much of a dedicated set i need to put together (with more headshot damage and other talents besides gunslinger)

frosty rock
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Wait, are you running gunslinger on your chest? or do you mean the holster

coral oxide
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holster

frosty rock
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yeah, good. Honestly the sacrifice plus the holster should be enough, just make sure you have full gunslinger stacks when you take the shot. I just think punch drunk would help with a lot of damage against the boss/ads as well, plus be an added bonus. Also vigilance makes a big difference so I would definitely be running that as well

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I don't know off the top of my head, but is gunslinger holster based off of total weapon damage?

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cuz if so, make sure you max out weapon damage to get every little bit of multiplication there

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ya know, if you're missing 10% total weapon damage, multiply that by 1000% and you're actually missing a huge chunk

vagrant wing
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it depends actually. I think i tested it a while back but i might be wrong. The explosion from your HSD depends on your dmg, what might kill the red add (usually in the middle where most ppl shot) might not kill the other 2. Hence the pulse and such, but also that 20% HSD from the mask

frosty rock
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I'm thinking @vagrant wing is right on the spot there. It's been so long since I've tested it, plus it's being jumbled around with the hundreds of other things we've tested haha

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I know for a fact the regulus explosion is based off weapon damage, and that's why I'm thinking the gunslinger holster is so important because I think that multiplies your total weapon damage by 1000 at full stacks

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just like headhunter, it's based off of total weapon damage and that's why it's extremely important to max out weapon before you start worrying about maxing HSD

dusky bolt
frosty rock
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100% more damage... that's what I'm referring to. That's a huge chunk of damage lol

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gunslinger holser is 1000% weapon damage at full stacks. if you're missing 10% weapon damage on your build, you're missing a lot of damage because of the 1000% multiplier

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Ben, don't make me take you back to highschool math class...

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I'll do it, I will lol

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@dusky bolt

flint iris
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High school math class, you say

dusky bolt
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LOL

frosty rock
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says the guy that isn't understanding what I'm saying above...

dusky bolt
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Actually, I didn't bother reading anything you typed out. I just looked for numbers.

frosty rock
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wtf lol

dusky bolt
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im asian, what did you expect?

frosty rock
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so basically just disregard anything @dusky bolt has said

dusky bolt
mortal bronze
coral oxide
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i can do 17million damage with my slapped together regulus build, is that enough?

tawdry solar
#

Some guy was harassing me and is still harassing raid members, what should i do

tender hollow
twilit mirage
#

How hard is it to learn the raids? I'm not a new player, just haven't been able to do them yet.

muted horizon
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Not really at all, just make sure you have a good DPS build ready to go and then google how each encounter works in Dark Hours.
Then once you're ready to find a team, let them know that you're brand new to it and most will be happy to teach you. Just listen to the host and do what they say.

twilit mirage
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Ah okay, cause I have the builds, my clan just isn't active anymore and they used to run them weekly. Thanks thought. 🙂

sick abyss
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Okay.

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I got back in after a year and a half of not touching the game after being frustrated with the raid

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Operation Dark Hours.

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So.

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My build was a headshot critical chance build.

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With a rifle.

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Do I have to change it up and go for a more damage to elites build for the raid?

vagrant wing
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after 1.5 years? yeah. A lot has changed since

sick abyss
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Alright.

vagrant wing
# sick abyss Alright.

I forgot to say, there's a very helpful guide in the pin comments over at #td2-build-advice thanks to some ppl here. There's a build section there. You might want to check it out

sick abyss
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Thanks man.

tawdry island
#

Bad News @sick abyss ...there is no damage to elites anymore😉

sick abyss
#

That's been a thing since Division 1.

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So... What takes its place?

vagrant wing
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Nothing. There're no more talents on every gear piece. Attributes now rolls with different values etc etc

sick abyss
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Ah.

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I guess I'll have to do a bit of looking up guides now.

vagrant wing
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Yep

tender hollow
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Our Raid got 4 Ravenous at the last boss. Most I've seen drop at one time ever.

sick abyss
#

My gear score last time I was on was 500. Level was 30. Was there any changes to max gear score and level?

tender hollow
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^ I think it goes up to 515 for level 30s now. If you get the expansion, you can go up to level 40.

remote lake
hardy shell
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I just realized Fiesel looks like a wrapped burrito in a microwave

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The spicy and hot Mexican ones

wraith pier
#

I have get Ravenouz at my first IH raid, and members of clan was pissed out, becuase I keep it.. why are people so full of hate, lol....

spring sinew
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I don’t say shit especially if it’s my first time getting any new exotic

pine mural
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yeah I'm new to div2, not raid ready yet, but how existent is the sherpa system?

bleak mason
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Discovery mode doesn’t offer the raid exclusive items but is a tamed down version to help you learn the raids

bleak mason
pine mural
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so lfg for raid endgame doesn't exist and you should join a clan?

vagrant wing
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if you just look one channel below...

pine mural
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what i mean is that the lfg community is bad and it'd be a better choice to join a pve clan?

odd star
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so how geared do you have to be to do raids and not be an anchor?

icy hull
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At least 50 chc and 150 at the low end. (full weapon dps build of course)

dreamy whale
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50chc 150+chd all red.

Easiest gear that can you get there while losing some stats: Negotiators Dilenma

Preferably: 3 Piece Providence, 1 Grupo Sombra, Fox’s Prayer, Coyote

odd star
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crits? thats the meta?

dreamy whale
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Well for DH it’s basic a DPS check but Iron Horse can a bit...annoying

long marsh
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for a starter I would run a dps build for the raids, until you learn a specific position. Like the person who runs drones in razorback

icy hull
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yup ^^

tender hollow
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Do keys expire at the week reset?

flint iris
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Nope

hardy shell
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So I did DH and got 4 keys

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But i dropped it before finishing Razorback

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Do I lose the 4 keys or I get to keep them?

wheat meteor
#

You keep them you can carry up to 15keys for DH and IH

spring sinew
#

Anyone running IH?

tender hollow
#

#lfg-raid-ps4

hardy shell
tender hollow
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@spring sinew still willing to run iron horse

spring sinew
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Sure

tender hollow
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Add me secrethunter94

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@spring sinew have experience with ironhorse

spring sinew
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@tender hollow I don’t have a anyone to run atm so we’ll have to gather people. I’m still learning all the dynamics

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I usually do ad control

tender hollow
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We are with 6 already u have done it before iron horse

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@spring sinew can u send me a screenshot of ur build

spring sinew
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I e gotten to the boss several times

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One sec

tender hollow
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Which boss

spring sinew
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At the train

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Whatever her name is

tender hollow
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Morozova

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Send me screenshot of build and add me up

sudden vale
#

Would a skill build be viable in Iron Horse? Its a build I clear legendary missions with

normal mirage
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you could, but it might be slow for certain positions

sudden vale
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What about Hunter's Fury?

normal mirage
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it works but boss damage for that build might be hard

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specifically boss 3

pearl dune
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How do I know what a raid is and how to access one

tender hollow
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^ Besides the healer(s), there are better builds than skill builds. I used to run a skill build with turret + heal hive downstairs on boss 2, and maybe 50% of teams used to run a status effects build on boss 3, but really having the extra dps player is better.

You can run one for a laugh / challenge, but thats a different thing.

formal shuttle
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@pearl dune "Raids" are long, challenging missions that require 8 people (two teams of four) and are filled with tough enemies, puzzle mechanics, and unique rewards such as exotic weapons and exclusive gearsets. They can be compared to the Incursions from Division 1, but are about twice as long and more difficult. There are currently two raids in The Division 2 - Dark Hours (which released before the Warlords Of New York DLC) and Iron Horse (which released after). You can access raids from the DC map, look for the two yellow icons with the figure-eight symbol on the left, above and below Roosevelt Island.

pearl dune
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@formal shuttle thx!

formal shuttle
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No problem, let me know if you have any more questions

tender hollow
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Can someone explain the limits on keys and resets? Like, is there only a certain amount of raid clears that you can do per week to unlock the final chest?

vagrant wing
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Final chest can be opened as long as you have 5 keys.
You can get 5 keys on your first clear of the week, after that - you only get 1 key from beating the last encounter. You can't hold more than 15 keys of each raid at a time

clear vortex
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you can hold more keys

tender hollow
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oh, so if you want to open another chest after the first one, you need to clear the raid 6 times in total?

vagrant wing
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Keys reset every Tuesday at 1000 UTC iirc

vagrant wing
clear vortex
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yes

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no problem

vagrant wing
tender hollow
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There isn't a way to 'select' the encounter after you clear it though, you just look for people with that checkpoint, right?

vagrant wing
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Yep

clear vortex
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well that depends IH you can do the last boss many times because the chest is unlimited try so you can farm the last boss. Then DH you have to wait for a week

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if you open the chest

vagrant wing
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That's not true

clear vortex
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really?

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did they fix it?

vagrant wing
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it was always this way

clear vortex
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hmmm

vagrant wing
#

there was a short period of time where the key wouldn't drop from the last encounter but you could reset the key boxes every time. But that's long gone

clear vortex
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is been a while that i havent done IH

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still remember the role as medic

tender hollow
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I wish the raid dropped optimisation materials. If you do the Summit, Missions or CP4 you get stuff, but when you do a raid we dont

clear vortex
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well DH is Black tusk. While IH is True Sons. For both will gives weps and gear like hostler, gloves, etc.

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wish but

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we cant get what we want

shut cedar
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LFG DH aiming to get Eagle Bearer

serene tangle
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looking for 7 players have done ih. i need some gear to my healer build and some exotic weapons also.

flint iris
hardy shell
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Just got my first eagle bearer

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Yay

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Now all I need is a time machine to go back when it was actually good

twilit mirage
grave junco
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So how does the gear set drop thing work in raid?

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Do you only get specific drop once a week?

sweet trail
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I just got lvl30 and want to pick a specialist that would be especially good in raids. Anyone got any ideas?

vagrant wing
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Demo

sweet trail
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Thanks

hardy shell
bright temple
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How viable would a skill build be during DH?

tender hollow
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its not

bright temple
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ok

hardy shell
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Maybe a bit more viable in IH?

flint iris
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Ehh

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Anything skills can do in ih, either it’s not necessary or dps can do better

drowsy pivot
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Does anyone have a sort of "Iron Horse Raid Guide for Dummies"? I've been watching guide after guide on Youtube, but man this raid seems extremely complicated, especially encounter 2. Was wondering if anyone had a guide that explains it simply enough

hardy shell
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That’s even more messed up

drowsy pivot
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I have not. That's why I need a raid guide 😅

hardy shell
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Just sent you a Imgur link

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Its quite weird how the last encounter is easier than 2 and 3

lethal gyro
#

how difficult is IH

hardy shell
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Like no joke,really if you don’t have a mic or don’t coordinate well with your team

wanton yoke
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you can do most raids without a mic

hardy shell
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Did you?

lunar hull
#

what happens if you poison feiser to death

tender hollow
#

What is the Hazard Protect % to have immunity to everything? Is 95.2% enough or do I need to optimize a bit more

toxic orchid
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96% i want to say, but 100% is hunter immunity so your shield doesnt drop

tender hollow
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@toxic orchid oh didn't know about the hunter immunity. but will optimize to 96% at least. Ty.

toxic orchid
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disrupt is the highest, think its like 95.8-9?

hardy shell
lunar hull
lunar hull
tender hollow
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@lunar hull Thanks. I'm at 96 now on haz dps. Tuesday after maintenance will most probably optimise to 100, because why not.

lunar hull
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aight

toxic orchid
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so zova has a unique mechanic then for her shock, shock is much lower; i wanna say 91 normally

hardy shell
lunar hull
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i know

hardy shell
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Like,a lot

lunar hull
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it took 30 minutes to get him a third

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until we gave up

hardy shell
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1 third of the armor bar?

lunar hull
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health

hardy shell
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Hmm

lunar hull
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i was considering trying discovery

hardy shell
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Maybe 90 minutes and not counting the mechanics yet?

lunar hull
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it can be quicker on discovery for sure

hardy shell
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That’s true

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How about mix in some bleed?

lunar hull
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cant

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then you'll overdamage him and he will go to the center and re-heal

hardy shell
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Oh right,I don’t remember all of the mechanics

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How to stop his wipe?

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The gas thing?

cosmic idol
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Future initiative set chest and backpack are raid exclusive

Does that mean only on normal or both difficultys ?

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is that a boss drop or you need some boxes to open with keys ?

hardy shell
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Normal only

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Yeah boss drop

cosmic idol
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ohhh rip 😄

#

ty too

drowsy ivy
#

so, let me ask, for the Ravenous + dodge city + d50 build, that d50 need to have pistol dmg (obviously), headshot dmg and optimist with only 1 round in clip for the max damage right ?

flint iris
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Dtooc

drowsy ivy
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ah i see, thanks

torpid dagger
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What builds do people run for raids? Ive been doing 3 empress, 2 hana 1 wyvern skill build for the other content havent tried to do a raid yet

vagrant wing
vagrant wing
devout kite
# torpid dagger What builds do people run for raids? Ive been doing 3 empress, 2 hana 1 wyvern s...

For DH mostly dps, maybe a tank at 2nd boss depends on the team you can do that without tank and a jammer build for razorback at the end so you dont waste time with drones

For IH again mostly dps, a healer at 2nd boss and 3rd boss, a tank build for 2nd boss, 3rd boss (not really needed) and 4th boss (2 tanks needed here), maybe some hazard protection build if you wanna go fast to get the 4th key and that's kinda it i think

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If you have a good dps build you should be fine for both raids, there should be other guys who can take the roles of the other builds needed

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Also please do not run a dps build with sacrifice, you can do that but you need to be a god when it comes to shooting from cover and not getting hit coz u will die like instantly

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U should play a dps with unbreakable

torpid dagger
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Ive only been playing for about a week, only have a skill build. Farming for dps now though

summer cave
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Any groups helping to get eagle bearer?

sacred stone
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You can also run focus or obliterate on your chest @torpid dagger

hollow yoke
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Never use dps with unbreakable​

lunar hull
hollow yoke
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I have neverdps with unbreakable​ why because you will loss out on more dmg by using something like focus or obliterate

lunar hull
sacred stone
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Why do you keep repeating the same statement smh

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Not all healers are incompetent.

lunar hull
hollow yoke
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Use something like focus or obliterate you get more dmg

sacred stone
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I am not a sir.

lunar hull
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i call everyone sir

sacred stone
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Okay dude

lunar hull
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okay sir

sacred stone
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Save your drama.

lunar hull
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lel im just saying if you have a healer who cant heal then you better run unbreakable

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or run some form of AoK

sacred stone
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Yeah and if someone is running tardigrade the unbreakable talent is pointless.

lunar hull
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not since the tardi buff can wear out

sacred stone
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People can run what they want.

lunar hull
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and that only applies to iron horse, not dark hours

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also you have to remember you are judging someone for the talents they use and are now saying people can run what they want 🤔

sacred stone
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And you are annoying as fuck. Have a nice day I aint about to argue with you dude.

lunar hull
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tbf you did start it but ok

hollow yoke
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tardigrade has a 45sc cool down unbreakable has a 60sc cool down

lunar hull
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yes but the bonus armor wears off

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after 10 seconds

hollow yoke
#

that give me 10seconds to heal my self

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they can take down unbreakable in less then that

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if someone is runing tardigrade then unbreakable will not work since tardigrade act like unbreakable

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AoK not good in a raid

lunar hull
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sir i have 200 DH clears and 130 IH clears

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i think i know what works and what doesnt lol

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and ngl AoK works great w/o a healer

sacred stone
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Who cares

lunar hull
#

esme literally nobody asked you to join in

sacred stone
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Um its a public discord lol

lunar hull
#

go "not argue" like you said you would

sacred stone
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Or how about your try being a nice person lol

lunar hull
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i am

sacred stone
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No your rude.

lunar hull
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just not to ppl like you lmfao

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people who immediately get toxic towards me after i say the same sentence twice

sacred stone
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yeah cause its annoying we heard ya the first time ffs

lunar hull
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how about you try being a nice person lol

sacred stone
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I am nice just not to you lol

warm wren
#

Lets both cut it out, yea?

lunar hull
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ok sir

warm wren
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Keep insults to DMs if you wanna get feisty.

lunar hull
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will do sir

hollow yoke
#

saying you have this number of clears dose not work when you can farm the last boss on IH and it will show has a clear you can use what every talents they want to that works for them

lunar hull
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except ive never last boss farmed sir

hollow yoke
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i was talking in general about it i did not say no ones name

drowsy needle
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Lmao

solar sand
#

Whats the drop percentage for the revonous?

hollow yoke
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the same has eb

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i think it like 1% from the boss and 5% from the box

solar sand
#

Damn

hardy shell
sacred stone
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They have to learn somehow.

hardy shell
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Try bringing a skill build in ih

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You will feel either useless or the dps will do the work faster

hollow yoke
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@hardy shell i dont think she was talking about skills build

hardy shell
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I know

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But I’m trying to explain that you can’t just run what you want in raids

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Especially ih,where roles are a thing

halcyon quiver
#

very much so

manic wagon
#

Is there anyway to farm for Eagle Bearer? Searching around the webs, but can’t find conclusive info. The bosses don’t seem to drop any loot after the weekly run, but can you get getting keys? Or do you hop from group to group hoping for a share?

sacred stone
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Its RNG and you need to run DH raid on normal

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Some people will drop it for you.

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Its also good to run with others that already have it.

halcyon quiver
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keep RB checkpoint on a 2nd character and farm keys

lunar hull
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1 for every exotic other than the raid exotic

hollow yoke
#

where did you 0.1 from

torpid dagger
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Tbh if i get a chest piece that has any of those 3 talents to roll with like cc/cd im just going to rock with that lol

#

https://youtu.be/dPr0iXls5P4

I was going to try to copy this guys dps build for the raids, we shall see how it works out. But, as it turns out... farming for a coyote mask since its an exotic... sucks to do lol spent all day and didnt get one

lunar hull
hollow yoke
#

its on reddit and i think when the raid came out the dev said it to

flint iris
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I’m pretty sure it’s around 1% as well

lunar hull
#

nah its definitely not one

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because out of the 200 so DH ive done

hollow yoke
#

10% from the chest, 1% (along with every other exotic except Bighorn, Eagle Bearer, and Regulus) from any raid boss

lunar hull
#

only one got it from boss drop

hollow yoke
#

it comes down to RNG

last scaffold
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"Can drop from the final boss at Jefferson Trade Center 'Coyote'

1% on normal
3% on hard
5% on challenging
7% on heroic - Targeted loot

  • Exotic caches
  • End of mission reward
  • Any raid boss on characters first clear of the week"
flint iris
#

Huh

last scaffold
#

that was for grizz but I misread lol

severe jungle
#

anyone have a boss 4 checkpoint on either raid I can grab?

proper pendant
#

why I keep getting checkpoint runs on iron horse matchmaking?

#

just wanna run fresh 😦

tender hollow
#

I need IH players rn

severe jungle
#

you can manually run it fresh by talking to the guy at the begining of the raid

flint iris
#

If you’re matchmaking in game that that’s discovery mode

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Which you cannot get keys, exclusives gearsets, or exotics from

tender hollow
hollow yoke
tender hollow
#

so like ive done 300-400 discovery DH and its never dropped for me from a boss

hollow yoke
modest marlin
#

which raid drop future initiative backpack and chest?

hollow yoke
#

that would be IH

modest marlin
#

thanks!

wanton yoke
pine mural
#

what build should I am for for DH as a beginner? I heard crits are meta so I'm trying to get gear with high chance/damage values- any specific sets I should be farming for/weapons I should be looking after?

vagrant wing
ashen charm
#

pretty sure EB can't drop from bosses unless you've first gotten it from the crate

vagrant wing
hardy shell
verbal mist
#

It does drop from bosses in the raid

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It’s a very low chance

midnight sorrel
#

when is the reset?

vagrant wing
#

tomorrow. 0900 CET if i'm not mistaken

muted horizon
#

About 19 hours, assuming it's the same time as normal.

heady scaffold
#

hey guys, ive got the project for the regulus last week, do i need to wait until tmr for the reset or can i do a run now to get the parts for it?

atomic nova
atomic nova
heady scaffold
brave saddle
#

Can anyone help me to learn Iron Horse? I have crit build, tank scorpio build, bulwark tank support build, healer build.

I will be ready to play after 20min from now on.

muted horizon
#

What's your CHC and CHD on that crit build?

brave saddle
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@muted horizon give me a min please.

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@muted horizon honey badger= 54% chc, 156% chd. MP5A2 60% chc, 156 chd

muted horizon
#

And what's your crit build?

twilit mirage
#

How easy is it to find people willing to take 3 people who haven't done DH?

bleak mason
#

Easier if you have some basic grasp of the raid, run discovery mode to get the idea, granted you don’t get the drops and it’s much easier, but the basics are there and will help you a great deal...also as DH is not as mechanical as IH, a good dps build is also a great start.

sacred stone
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I would not suggest a discovery at all. People go in there with the dumbest builds and some of the mechanics are missing. I would get a good group that is willing to help you. If you want to learn I would be glad to find a group and help you out @twilit mirage

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Dammit your PS4 never mind lol

bleak mason
#

Unfortunately yes, pug has its issues, ie stupid builds...but getting someone to carry 3 never done it at all? ...yikes

sacred stone
#

With the right amount of DPS it can be done.

bleak mason
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True, but now you have to teach them a solid dps build and then the raid too ...lol bless you for having so much patience!

sacred stone
#

Haha i actually like helping others with the raids. I know what it was like to be starting out. Like hell i was pretty bad starting out lol

bleak mason
#

Omg my first I was so scared I was going to screw up...i was the only noob...but o had great guidance and I didn’t die or screw up!!

sacred stone
#

Haha right I was terrified of the raids like OMG i screw up I know im getting blamed lmao

bleak mason
#

Soooo true

twilit mirage
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Its one of the reasons I'm doing it with 2 of my mates. None of us have done a Div 2 raid before. Plus it means i can blame them if something goes wrong.

sacred stone
#

Haha @twilit mirage smart thinking

bleak mason
#

Thankfully the others were kind and helped explain before each phase....” ok you stand here and do this and please call out if it gets too heavy”

sacred stone
#

There are decent people willing to help in here but then there are those that arent. If you get a good group willing to teach your lucky.

twilit mirage
#

Yeah, i know what to do in each encounter and how the mechanics work, its performing them thats the issue.

bleak mason
#

Most of the elitist have moved to IH so it’s not as bad as early days...but that doesn’t mean everyone is nice or helpful

twilit mirage
#

Think im in 3 different Div 2 serves so would just put a post out on them all.

twilit mirage
sacred stone
#

I know someone on PS4 that would be willing to help if you want their name i can DM it to you

bleak mason
#

Good leadership means everything though

twilit mirage
sacred stone
#

Oh yeah she has an insane amount of patience.

twilit mirage
sacred stone
#

Yes she has PS4 and 5 as well as PC.

bleak mason
#

Your awesome @sacred stone

twilit mirage
sacred stone
#

Thanks guys just trying to spread some love and make the community better. We are all having an insane time right now and could use new friends. We are all stuck in the current world situation together. If i can brighten someone's day its a win for me! >3

twilit mirage
exotic sail
#

Hi! Is it possible to avoid Morozovas' missiles under the tunel?

north inlet
# exotic sail Hi! Is it possible to avoid Morozovas' missiles under the tunel?

I think you mean the 4 cannons, we figured out that there's a 45 second timer on them when the first one is destroyed, so if you initially take all of them down to half health, then take out 2, your timer on those 2 will start. 15 seconds after taking those 2 down the second RPG ads spawn and you'll be down to 30 seconds to take the remaining 2 down and damage Morizova. That way you'll have a good 20 seconds or so without the cannon shells.

exotic sail
#

My bad, I didn't explain myself

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In the moment Morozova goes to the cannon

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You must get under the tunnel, yeah?

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In that moment we get the bombs INSIDE the tunnel, so we get killed everytime

north inlet
#

Those bombs aren't the yellow wipe mechanic, those are the 4 smaller cannons on either side of the bigger Earth Shaker in the middle

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They'll continue firing if they're not taken down right before Morizova's wipe mechanic

exotic sail
#

Hm.. I get it I think

#

So we must take the 4 cannons down everytime before getting under the tunnel?

north inlet
#

There are teams that just ignore them and heal through the damage in cover, but it's safer to take them out imo

vagrant wing
#

Alternatively you can delay your entrance to the tunnel until the last second (it takes some time to use to)

exotic sail
#

Hmm.. we'll try that

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Teammates are saying that the "thing" that kills us are the rocketeers, could be it?

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I mean, the guys that drop the rockets, cuz they respawn at the same moment we get under the tunel, so they boom our ass' up

vagrant wing
#

either wait for them before you dmg Morozova or just suppress them as they spawn

exotic sail
#

Okay.. we'll try that

#

Thanks for the help guys! Have a nice one 🙂

vagrant wing
#

good luck

unborn trout
#

can you still get the Regulus parts if you have already done the raid this week?

cunning night
#

Nope, has to be fresh weekly run

unborn trout
#

ok thanks!

azure ruin
#

Does anyone have morozova checkpoint that i could get ? Thank you.

whole steeple
#

can anyone tell me how the raids actually work

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and what gear you most commonly get from them

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also how hard they are!! thanks

hollow yoke
#

most use a DPS build

tender hollow
whole steeple
#

can you do them as often as you want or are they a time locked thing

autumn flicker
# whole steeple can anyone tell me how the raids actually work

raids are 8 player pve activities. Each raid has 4 bosses. There are 5 keys you can get to open a chest at the end. The exotic for Dark Hours is an AR called Eagle Bearer, The exotics for Iron horse are a pistol named Regulus and a rifle named Ravenous. Iron Horse is significanlt more complicated that Dark Hours.

whole steeple
#

and theres 2 different raids isnt there?

#

im new to all this late game content hence the questions

tender hollow
#

No stress bud

hollow yoke
tender hollow
whole steeple
autumn flicker
whole steeple
#

what are the different types of raids

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i heard someone say discovery or something

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or is it just the different difficulty's?

tender hollow
whole steeple
#

oh ok

#

so basically good for getting use to the raid

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and how it happens

tender hollow
whole steeple
#

alright legend

#

do you do raids often yourself?

tender hollow
whole steeple
#

you'll have to take me through some

tender hollow
#

Yeah man, no stress

manic wagon
#

I've run DH a few times now as DPS. Got my EB last night, so big hype. But I can't help but feel awkward when we get to RB and people ask who has crossbow builds

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Is 4HW, Tardigrade, fill a good start? And how do I go about getting crossbow ammo before RB to avoid needing a wipe?

signal basin
#

Run your DPS build with crossbow, you’ll get ammo throughout.

flint iris
#

If you’re using the drone killer, gotta run 4 hw, wyvern with skilled, btsu/Hana u gloves

mossy abyss
#

Before jumping out to Razorback, to change your specialization weapon you could leave the group and head back to the White House then get invited back into the raid group. To get specialization ammo doesn't everyone wipe before jumping out to Razorback too?

flint iris
#

or you can just have the right spec before if you dont wanna waste time wiping

vague swift
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its just easier to change build and do a wipeout

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unless its a flawless ofc

flint iris
#

i mean, having the spec on before and ready to go sounds easier but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

signal basin
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I run DPS with crossbow until razor, then switch to drone killer with crossbow and I keep all special ammo

lilac crescent
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hey uh new to the game but whats a raid

swift peak
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scroll up a bit @lilac crescent , it was explained very recently (or just google, there are much more detailed explanations than people will type in here)

lilac crescent
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ok thx

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ight i got my answer

manic wagon
signal basin
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Gear wise? 4 HW, Wyvern chest with kinetic momentum, BTSU gloves

muted horizon
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Can anyone remember exactly what tier the pulse needs to be at (if you've got the Skill Damage from Technician active) ? For drone killing that is.

signal basin
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I just always have it at tier 6, to be safe.

muted horizon
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I do know there's a definite tier that kills them below that, but for the life of me it's been so long since I've run the final boss that I can't remember.

signal basin
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I’m not sure

muted horizon
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If they ever come back to Div2, I'll check and post a build somewhere for it. I remember it made the final encounter trivial.

flint iris
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Can the jammer pulse even be boosted by tech hive?

vagrant wing
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Skill tier 6 ofc

muted horizon
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huh, ta.

vagrant wing
tender hollow
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i want to get the EB, what's the most efficient way?

vagrant wing
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play raids?

tender hollow
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should i farm razorback?

vagrant wing
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if you want too... if you already know you need to play the raids pick the way you see as 'fun'. It's subjective

loud ibex
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I need a eb also@tender hollow

full crane
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f the EB def. not worth it imo.

timber acorn
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Tf you talking bout

quartz sand
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I bet next raid is Riker themed

oak mica
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is anyone able to start a raid? when i go to the raid menu i can't select either raid

timber acorn
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I hope hyena bro

faint panther
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ok what is this thing with people telling they play destiny raids. Is it supposed to help in IH or DH

normal mirage
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it might help with just raiding in general

icy hull
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Keyword "might".

tender hollow
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arent destiny raids like 5-7 hours? I was watching a stream, and the leader was saying its going to be 5 hrs if we are lucky.

warm wren
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Nah, thats probably a day 1 raid/team that doesnt know what they are doing.

fading knot
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Need 1 for DH razor back cp

valid marlin
zinc bluff
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they were 9 hours too

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but now we all know the mechanics and get them under a hour

odd star
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yeah worlds first raids in destiny were 10 hours minimum, now all of them are an hour or less

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the only way they are above 2 hours is if you are teaching 5 other people and theyre terrible

faint panther
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yeas, earl, it might be something or it might be nohing. That was really helpfull div2question

normal mirage
storm blaze
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raid dark hours raid voice 01

hard bear
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i feel like everyone in this just wants quick raids and no one is willing to teach

icy hull
winged tapir
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khaled

odd star
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how does a sniper build do in a raid?

tawdry widget
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it depends on which raid and which part of the raid

swift peak
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Snipers: ok for add control in some sections but not as generally useful as DPS (eg for bosses). Specific exception for the speedrun approach to Morozova.

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(also, for me at least, if you get a bit flustered and start missing shots then sniper becomes entirely useless - with regular DPS you'll at least still be doing some damage)

atomic nova