So im being chastised for posting a raid video
#td2-raid-discussions
gaunt grail
queen patrol
see, the funny thing is that i came here specifically looking for pinned posts outlining the raid strats. and then - this. lol saved me the time of following the clickbait ty
flint iris
No point in arguing anymore, stop advertising your YouTube here, and good night
gaunt grail
Kick me
crisp merlin
@queen patrol you looking for a guide to IH??
flint iris
Oh perfect they left
warm wren
Problem solved itself.
normal mirage
how'd you know he left the channel?
crisp merlin
He no longer has any roles
flint iris
Mod magic
warm wren
no roles and if you check the profile, he shares no server with you. Easiest way to check. Back to your regularly scheduled Raid Discussion!
So, someone wanted to learn a raid?
queen patrol
@crisp merlin yeah i wanna raid but I take my fun way too seriously to stumble into a group. I'm cool with staggering thru the raid but I'ma not stumble into the group lol
warm wren
Can always join an LFG in the #lfg-raid-pc, just be sure to mention you have no experience and are willing to learn the encounters.
crisp merlin
Kermit posted this in another discord https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tYD9oo9fruKnvwg4TwSYCTu1LVOUaaQn7PrUiKGn5Sg/edit# personally haven’t thoroughly looked(it’s not mobile friendly) but it seems detailed enough
normal mirage
guide is a bit comprehensive for beginners. It's designed for speedrunners
uncut crypt
the vid the guy posted? saw it too, barely any constructive advice given
vagrant wing
Lol this guy again. He left the other week as well
uncut crypt
Think he is still trying to find a relevant validation
normal mirage
pretty funny how he posted it and his video keeps getting downvoted
uncut crypt
its a tutorial on how to get downed fast
pretty funny how he posted it and his video keeps getting downvoted
@normal mirage The boy did mentioned he wear PGC to DH raids
normal mirage
lol wouldn't do that for beginners. Maybe if you trust your team and you can hack it.
uncut crypt
thats what we said and , he replied saying "eventually you'll get downed so why not throw in that talent"
When i said using Obliterate and Bloodsucker are comfort builds for DH, then again retorted and flaunting his number of completions and time.
normal mirage
thats what we said and , he replied saying "eventually you'll get downed so why not throw in that talent"
When i said using Obliterate and Bloodsucker are comfort builds for DH, then again retorted and flaunting his number of completions and time.
@uncut crypt lots of mental gymnastics to process his logic lol.
viscid kelp
When is DH loot reset
amber blaze
Tuesdays
viscid kelp
Thanks
fiery orbit
hi all been away for a whi8le what builds are good for Raids and DZ these days
fiery orbit
cheers Ossie , time to start farming
warm wren
Check #td2-build-advice pinned messages, it'll lead you to a spreadsheet that has a ton of builds for whatever you need. I can suggest to start out with the basic DPS meta build, as that will get you through 90% of content.
muted horizon
Yea - 3 providence, 1 ceska, 1 grupo, fox prayer knees (overlord brand named piece) - go with assault rifle, lmg or rifle (m1a) - for talents go unbreakable on chest, vigilance on bp - use reviver hive and either decoy/assault turret/crusader shield (if using lmg don’t use shield) - stack Crit hit to 50% or higher (cap 60) then stack rest into crit dmg
Run gunner or survivalist to start
And to the guy looking for raid video strats, I do have a YT channel that I made. Videos for regarding each boss fight and where to position/role explanation on crifology gaming - it’s better than typing out each boss strat but you can search on YT if you want references
@flint iris if that YT is against rules just take it down but it’s all explanations if the different boss fights as well as firing line strat for Lucy vs regular 3/5 split
flint iris
Wat which yt
muted horizon
I mentioned the channel above - didn’t link anything but directing ppl to strat videos I made per boss fight
Idk if that’ll get me in trouble
But I figure if ppl want to see fire line Lucy or third boss ih for example
flint iris
You’re fine just linking videos for showing strats, just promotion that’s not allowed
Speaking of which
You have a link for the firing line one for Buddy and Lucy?
muted horizon
Sounds good thanks for clarification- here’s that link Division 2 Guide TU10 | Dark Hours Buddy and Lucy FRONTLINE/FIRING LINE Strategy https://youtu.be/oCDChd9ZUQA
muted horizon
No glass cannons for raid is a bad idea unless you have a good sense of timing and are doing speed clears
uncut crypt
U can go for obliterate instead, 25% on max stacks
muted horizon
I’m against glass cannon in all honesty for raising
flint iris
Makes sense
muted horizon
Raiding
uncut crypt
its just 5% lower, but lets you survive longer
flint iris
Strats seems nice far
uncut crypt
then your backpack u can maybe compsure or vigilence?
i went for bloodsucker
just to balance
flint iris
Our team just does the 5/3 with Lucy in the blue room and we’re on top of the boxes
muted horizon
Yup - chest can be either spotter (tech) oblit or unbreakable
flint iris
Bloodsucker is great, but maybe not for that specific fight
muted horizon
And bp I’d say vig
flint iris
Aight good to know
muted horizon
I’d do Lucy in red room as it’s easier to los her around the pillars in back left corner and avoid getting hit by her bleed shots
But that’s your call/preference
uncut crypt
Bloodsucker is great, but maybe not for that specific fight
@flint iris Indeed, so yea, composure might be a little better cause its gives you instaant 15% dmage as for vigilance it gets diactivated from being attacked, i think either or buddy does bleed damage, nulling vigilence]
or best overwatch
flint iris
Status ticks don’t unproc vigilance iirc
uncut crypt
as for weapon, i'd use either bulletking or god roll Negev with steaded hand
flint iris
It’s just that initial dmg that does
But yeah I’d still prolly go with composure
With Lucy’s fire and the seekers
uncut crypt
feel free to test it out, any build works as long communication is understandable during B&L
flint iris
Absolutely
uncut crypt
i usually go the norm 3 piece prov, contractor gloves, fox prayers and gunslinger
gunslinger comb with regulus to 17mil damage chunga in the ass
aka 1 shot chunga
or, 4 piece striker with ceska/groupa chest and bagpack with obliterate and bloodsucker (subjective to change again at the user's comfort)
striker go ratatatatata
flint iris
For Razorback?
uncut crypt
it works as well, i usually use sleipnir, named LMG, or god roll negev with max damage, health and DOC
or your usual BK
uncut crypt
since RB's hp registers as health not armor, the god roll negev eats it up
flint iris
When I got the blue primer buffs, my Ar came close to doing 400k per crit
I was the drone killer
uncut crypt
i've tried rav, yes its amazing, but there is still that reload function otherwise i can just hold down button and go ratatatata
flint iris
Yeah
uncut crypt
you can experiment all, no issue really, unless your team mates are anals then it'll be problematic
usually when i host DH, i'd let my team wear anything they want as long as they are DPS and comfort with what they have, and compulsory to have revival hive. Cause there will be moments you cant spare the time to revive your team mates and it'll be problmatic as Ad controls will slacken
Going healer or tanker not that compulsory but nonetheless welcome
however if you wanna use GC or PGC, try using it with a team you synergise very well with so you know got your back and vice versa
floral aurora
I managed to get the Foundry chest on a full fresh run yesterday.. I only need the backpack to complete the first stage of the project, am I able to run it again to attempt to get the bag or do I need to wait for the reset?
muted horizon
You can run again just won’t be in your loot table for drops - others can drop it for you just at start of run let team know and if they have and share you can pick that up
floral aurora
👍👍
lofty glacier
You can also keep running it until you get 5 more keys and there’s may be a chance of the drop coming out of the chest for you.
muted horizon
That also but it’s safe to say most individuals in this discord have the project completed - I’ve run with fair amount of players in here and most seem to drop stuff for like 1-2 ppl per run
worthy oxide
does somebody know if raid boss counts as an elite ?
muted horizon
Yes raid bosses are considered elites
unique shoal
Why do people come with 5 yellows 1 blue crazy non builds in IH first boss, and then rage quit when they can't complete boss 1?
muted horizon
First mistake was keeping that person after the gate opened to the first boss
But yea I’ve seen ppl running bombardier drones and flame turrets on first boss thinking they’re doing damage
Saw a guy run 4 red 2 yellow hardwire stacking status effects running shock trap and jammer pulse on buddy Lucy saying he could chain stun lock the dogs... ppl can be funny
unique shoal
I dont care if you come with a skill build (as ineffective as it may be) but this guy was running half roles, 5 yellow, mix of brand sets that make no sense, skill damage armor regen skill haste crit repair skills all rolled on various pieces
unique shoal
I wasn't even involved in said raid with this guy but I got second hand rage when I saw on stream
He even said get good to the raid leader after he rage quit
spice sluice
Hey question
flint iris
You can just ask
frosty mesa
Lol
tender hollow
If people drop like flies on A or C, you can run a skill build on B, and throw a healing hive in A/C. A lvl 6 skill turret on B can almost solo the adds there itself. However sometimes this isn't a great idea, because if you have to do this, its a 2.5 to 3 hr raid.
uncut crypt
I wasn't even involved in said raid with this guy but I got second hand rage when I saw on stream
@unique shoal
Well u can't teach idiots
uneven garden
Question indirectly related to raid : anyone experience Xbox live lag/connection issue in parties/lfg? I’ve had a lot since the UI update.
flint iris
ive had a decent amounnt
not enough to be a big hassel, but enough to be noticed and not just put off as "normal xbox bs"
i sometiems get disconnected for no reason at all
uneven garden
ok then it’s not just me I couldn’t hear the control called codes n “move to middle” at morozova
flint iris
that can be pretty frustrating
uneven garden
and yeah sometime I just got dropped from the party exactly
Am p sure this only started after the recent UI update
flint iris
that happened to 5 of us during the second last phase of morozova, and we somehow finished the raid with only 3 people on comms
uneven garden
lol example of experienced team !
flint iris
I've seen a few weeks back that xbox tweeted a statement about this, but not sure if its fixed or not
uneven garden
There was an issue about ppl not receiving party/game invites, and they announced they fixed it
“Fox something, break something else, work as intended”
flint iris
kinda sounds like div 2 if im gonna be completely honest here
uneven garden
lol true but Microsoft hits harder if party doesn’t work literally can’t play....
sleek raptor
wanna ask. issit hard to get foundry bulward in raid? i haven been to raid b4
dapper gyro
Run it with a team where no one else needs em anymore, best after reset on a Tuesday so everyone gets fresh boss loot and usually a few can drop what you need then.
sleek raptor
ic..... any particular build needed for raid? or juz full dps?
humble solar
First few times just dps, but after awhile you'll make a healer and tank build
lament lily
Anyone playing raid and need another player ?
valid marlin
@lament lily Use #lfg-raid-pc
lament lily
Ok thank you
copper lotus
Under what conditions can Future and Foundry chestpiece and backpack drop?
I played through a raid and it never dropped for all bosses.
smoky tapir
first kill has the highest chance, subsequent kills on the week are very low (if any).
But highest chance is for any of the FB or FI pieces, not just chest/back
copper lotus
So it's better off doing one raid a week?
smoky tapir
well you can do mulitple, just ask people in the group if they dont mind sharing
its how a lot of us got ours quickly was just asking if anyone didn't need it
muted horizon
the chest and bp only drop first boss kill per toon per week - once you kill a boss that week, boss cannot drop bp or chest again til reset for that toon
you can get from other people in raid if they drop and share it, run on another toon (4 toons per week) - or you have to wait til reset
tender hollow
You can also get it from opening the chest after you kill the last boss in IH. This can happen more than once per week per character.
As others have said, you best chance is to let everyone know that you need it, and if your lucky someone will drop it for you.
limpid inlet
When doing a raid do you only get 1 blueprint for a specific gear piece or is it a blueprint for a complete set?
smoky tapir
for DH, you get 1 blueprint from the 3 sets per First Boss Kill Only. For IH, there are NO blueprints awarded from bosses (blueprints come from the 2 projects and are awarded in full sets when project is completed)
limpid inlet
Ok thanks, appreciate the help
unique shoal
Word on the street is that the clans RXL and LFN have discovered a way to skip boss 3 on Iron Horse.
normal mirage
🤯
unique shoal
Don't tell shadow, he will get mad when he discovers his own peepz have kept this from him...
I hear he doesn't read this discord often so I think I'm safe. 🤞
tender hollow
When you find out how tell me
vagrant wing
😂 😂
you know he's just messing with you. That's a good one tho
unique shoal
@vagrant wing you'd be surprised how many people take my word as gospel and its not just newbies either...
vagrant wing
honestly you got me too when you first posted it 🙂
uneven garden
shadow so calm lol the guy paring with shadow on A calling to shoot box is like “shadow shadow shadow x 5”
vagrant wing
It's group dynamic and i'm pretty sure it's a joke too.
uneven garden
yeah it’s very fun to watch
uncut crypt
@vagrant wing you'd be surprised how many people take my word as gospel and its not just newbies either...
@unique shoal ever since I enjoyed playing with ya,, 8/10 I would suspect you're trolling and seeing people take the bait is hilarious
uneven garden
tbh it’s fund to watch RXL speeds
uneven garden
someone put a decoy at right rocket and shadow sniped that decoy “who put a decoy there”, shadow whispered
amber blaze
@unique shoal are you available today to play the beta for Operation Kenley College raid?
unique shoal
Not until after 5:30
meager flame
Guys is 60% crit chance and 150,6% crit dmg overkill?
vagrant wing
it's the average for full DPS
meager flame
Ohh okey
tender hollow
Try trolling eagle bearer in discovery 🤣
@uncut crypt
Lol i got kicked out of one cause the host got jealous, i procc’d tenacity and was running around razorback, host got pissed or jealous and kicked me
Theres a way to completely skip 4th boss but not sure if its been fixed
You gotta wipe under certain circumstances tho
And I reported it as a bug and it was supposedly fixed with TU11
uncut crypt
lul, people cant handle your awesomeness
uneven garden
@vagrant wing some say CHD beyond 170ish has diminishing effect idk
It’s 15% CHD vs 6% DTA I am not sure if DTA gives more dmg overall
numbers are close at range tho
unique shoal
There's no such diminishing returns, I want 600% chd
uneven garden
troll? Lol
vagrant wing
@vagrant wing some say CHD beyond 170ish has diminishing effect idk
@uneven garden how so? you can reach 170 with Contractors pretty easily
if you go with 2 WH and contractors i'm pretty sure you can reach that too
uneven garden
yeah am 210 with grupo or 190 with contractor
vagrant wing
I don't see any "diminishing effect" then. The more the better imo
uneven garden
idk if should cut it to like 170 n put on handling
aight i dont understand that either
vagrant wing
Why would you do that? the classic M1A handle pretty good (the CQB is another story) and for certain bosses when you need to reload (Grey for example if the group lacks DPS) just use the booster hive
unique shoal
Handling is the single worst stat in the game, its only good if you are an absolute potato.
vagrant wing
Depends. It's pretty good for sustain DPS in certain circumstances
unique shoal
No, potato for handling stats
Or handling for potatoes 🥔
Dunno which way round
By the way I run braced, very good talent
vagrant wing
i was referring to the reload boost you get from weapon handling. I personally don't think that accuracy and stability are good. And i'm not a great shooter in this game
uncut crypt
i mainly use 4 piece striker with ceska obliterate chest and bagpack groupa with bloodsucker for DH raids. CHC is 45-ish and CHD 130-ish. Do i use killer famas or the EB or strained for possible further enhancing dps
unique shoal
@uncut crypt you noob, striker 4pc, focus chest, contractors gloves. Slepnier lmg. Thats the ONLY way to run striker. Noobie. Also one purple gear gives extra power
uncut crypt
FUck yeah, purple for the win
unique shoal
I need to farm the underground and open world chests. Need god rolled purple gear for my raid build
uncut crypt
purple with rainbow?
unique shoal
No I want to effective i need legit purple all red god roll, it'll be better than 95% of the stupid build people come in with on lfg.
uncut crypt
HAHAHA, even with those, you can still carry
tender hollow
Make an all purple self healing build
uncut crypt
how effective is clutch in raids now, barely relevent?
rigid onyx
Yeah not very relevant imo
unique shoal
Clutch? Havent heard that in a long time reminisces
uncut crypt
insert gandalf meme
young canyon
@uncut crypt wanted to make it work....not worth it imo
iron falcon
How many iron horse keys per run?
desert glacier
5
meager gale
am on 202% CHD and full CHC
timber vine
Any raid clan I can join ?
uncut crypt
@timber vine wrong channel, go to LFG channel
timber vine
Sorry
uncut crypt
no worries
real steeple
anyone ih
glossy blaze
wrong channel
lucid juniper
What is the recommended way to take down Razorback weakpoints quickly to avoid multiple damage phases?
verbal mist
Ravenous tears up the weak points
Try specking into health damage if possible as the weak points are health
Hollow man
flint iris
*but not walker
Health dmg is good(hollow man) like edmondsurfer said, but too much health dmg is bad(3 walker)
uncut crypt
striker with slepnir
muted horizon
If you’re group is coordinated enough you can have survivalist with striker/lmg combo on 1 and 2 in, with ravenous on 3 and 4 (one of two rav guys be hardwire jammer pulse technician for drone control) - the outside guys are full reds clearing adds and chonga while the inside guys do weak points with ravs and striker set up
Have rav guys prime, while lmg striker kills quickly
If you’re fast enough rav guy in full reds can switch after priming and break own wp but considering you’re asking this question I’d say use one guy to prime while another has striker lmg to destroy
unique shoal
The best way to get razorback weakpoints done quickly, is simply, get good.
slender dragon
Razorback is simple
vagrant wing
its very hard for everybody. Lads can have skills but dmg output is to small. I did IH last night with fella without WONY and it was tough enough.
@crimson vale I didn't said it'll be easy. Lvl 30 attending lvl 40 raid will scale up but he won't have the dmg of a lvl 40. With that said - hard is a relative term. It might be hard because of the group or he wasn't fully speced towards DPS
azure ruin
What is the recommended way to take down Razorback weakpoints quickly to avoid multiple damage phases?
@lucid juniper Focus + Vigilance + hollow man + burnout
vagrant wing
The Ravenous toggle is actually the most efficient way. Although its really annoying
azure fossil
Is there anything else that complements a DtH Razorback build aside from AR with Hollow Man?
flint iris
As people mentioned above, ravenous does wonders
azure fossil
Ah didn't see that thank you. Beats even AR's DtH?
muted kettle
does ravenous red stacks damage the weakpoints individually ?
azure fossil
haven't heard of this, you can exploit red stacks somehow, by switching to a different weapon?
flint iris
No
Not red
Blue stacks
And it’s not an exploit
Left shoulder shoot 5 times, pop once with right, swap to ar, then burst
muted kettle
Next time on plates I'll check
I would think red does damage because it's a weak point but it's worth checking to make sure
azure fossil
Weird, still trying to figure this out 
How does that work with blue stacks exactly
muted kettle
the blue stacks are a buff to yourself
azure fossil
"Damage to Armor Plates" affects RB's health?
azure fossil
Sorry, things always get goofy with RB...
muted kettle
I think It's safe to assume that they're right
azure fossil
so, 5-shots for full stack Blue. Switch to right, 1-shot Red. Switch to AR until stack wears out?
warm wren
Yup.
muted kettle
yep
azure fossil
I'm going to have see this in action myself, still can't visualize what's going on here 
warm wren
RB's plates seem to be "health" for the purpose of the bars, but Rav's "Damage to armor plates" also works on it, because it's somehow coded similarly to heavy's armor and warhound's armor.
muted kettle
But it would make sense since with razorback the weakpoints are not the direct health of the target so it shows as armor plates
azure fossil
how well does Rav work on it's own against RB, just swapping stacks with itself?
warm wren
Pretty good, actually.
muted kettle
because the weakpoints are things you have to destroy to hit the razorback for health just like how you need to destroy a heavy's armor plates to hit him for damage
or a warhound
azure fossil
guess i'll be doing some experimenting tonight on RB then, it's weakpoints have always been a point of contention
muted kettle
true
amber blaze
It's contention because the devs say one thing yet it behaves differently
muted kettle
It be like that sometimes
languid solstice
dusk iron
LFG RAID DH EXP
junior timber
Okay so If you're interested a running DH with a slight twist:
Get your 8 guys, run one normal run of DH, whatever loot you pickup on that run has to be used for the next run. To repeat, the Loot you acquired on the first run, is the only gear/weapons you're able to use when running the next run. The rest of your gear is exempt. pray
To give you more of a fighting chance, you can recalibrate the pieces you found, but after that you're on your own!
Give it a try, me, @Bodega_e92🇨🇱 @[OATH] SmhDaniel @Barnobeous @[OATH] burning_lands7 @[OATH] EC-Extraterrest @jamesvreeland @[OATH] Cpt_G3tMOney just finished it around 1h 15 mins.
Happy hunting!
oak steppe
hay , i'm on the last part of the Regulus project but already raided on my main char , i killed 1st raid boss on alt in the hope of it droping the 1st part but din't , is the drop guaranteed or just rng ?
surreal rain
sorry this is a test post to see if my discord is locked
junior timber
It's a guaranteed drop in your first fresh run of the week @oak steppe
oak steppe
@junior timber cool thy man
junior timber
Anytime 🙏@oak steppe
lethal field
any answer on why i can't join a raid vocal ? xD
oak steppe
@lethal field did you pick a server role? in general read the rules there has to be a reason :p
lethal field
i do have a role ^^'
formal shuttle
I'm currently doing the Future Initiative and Foundry Bulwark projects, how often do chests and backpacks drop from raid bosses? Is it only once a week? Is it only from certain bosses?
astral pawn
Is anyone else having a issue with mortars on Morzova?
normal mirage
such as?
astral pawn
The mortars are wiping the team even tho we arent stepping in too deep of the cave
Its becoming to where no one wants to raid anymore in my clan
normal mirage
do you have a healer to drop a hive or healing chem on the floor during bombardment phase?
astral pawn
Absolutely
normal mirage
and make sure the team doesn't go into the cave too early
is the mortar one shotting teammates?
astral pawn
Hmm what is to early?
normal mirage
when morozova starts to run back to her trailer thats generally when you run back inside. Otherwise you are just hanging around the sandbags when the middle shell is down
you basically want to delay going into the cave as long as possible because all the mortars will target that spot
if you spread out close to the cave (the sandbags) you can still move around to dodge the mortars
astral pawn
Understood
little onyx
Okay so If you're interested a running DH with a slight twist:
Get your 8 guys, run one normal run of DH, whatever loot you pickup on that run has to be used for the next run. To repeat, the Loot you acquired on the first run, is the only gear/weapons you're able to use when running the next run. The rest of your gear is exempt. pray
To give you more of a fighting chance, you can recalibrate the pieces you found, but after that you're on your own!
Give it a try, me, @Bodega_e92🇨🇱 @[OATH] SmhDaniel @Barnobeous @[OATH] burning_lands7 @[OATH] EC-Extraterrest @jamesvreeland @[OATH] Cpt_G3tMOney just finished it around 1h 15 mins.
Happy hunting!
@junior timber this is a great idea, but works on the assumption we have the inventory/stash space to be able to pick up everything that drops 😉
tender hollow
A fun one is, only purple stuff and Discovery DH matchmaking [vendors used to sell purples, but you can still get from sewers]. Another is only vendor stuff and Discovery DH matchmaking
flint iris
Matchmake on discovery with all purples and use the eagle bearer
whole spoke
Wouldn't the cruelest thing be to say at the end 'omg razorback dropped Eaglebearer'
tender hollow
and they check out your purples build with the RB 😂
glad valve
way ppl dont can join raid channles? lokks lockt
valid marlin
Discord seems to be having issues. If you can't join the voice channels try restarting Discord / log out, log back in. This might help.
wooden cosmos
Bruh scroll up a little that's funny razorback dropped eb
wooden cosmos
Following your heart is the best way to do dh
late scarab
people that play Discovery typically don't inspect other players
muted horizon
Gonna state this for the newer raiders: do NOT join pug raids wearing the sacrifice or glass cannon on chest piece if you’re newer to either raid- you won’t have fun and neither will your team constantly trying to revive you... obliterate or unbreakable - or if you wanna be fancy, focus or spotter (if you run technician with. The laser on weapon attachment). Thank you
spring prism
i was told id be more usefull running hunter's fury, so thats what irecommend if youre a new raider doing dark hours
vagrant wing
What?? I highly advice against it unless you have no other dmg builds
tender hollow
If you want to be an average raider then obliterate is ok. If you want to be an awesome raider then make a glass cannon build and get used to using it. Focused is also excellent but again it takes time to get used to. Unbreakable belongs in PvP or in the trash.
Hunters Fury is pretty useless outside of pvp.
spring prism
listen, i was told to use it because it was my most useful build that i had, and it turned out pretty ok, i wasnt dragging down anyone and could actually do things. sure i was on ads duty but at least i was doing somehting
vagrant wing
Hunters Fury is pretty useless outside of pvp.
I think you're exaggerating a bit. But you definitely have better alternatives for the raid
listen, i was told to use it because it was my most useful build that i had, and it turned out pretty ok, i wasnt dragging down anyone and could actually do things. sure i was on ads duty but at least i was doing somehting
That's why i said 'if you have no other dmg builds' better be somewhat useful then no use at all. No one criticized you, we just said that for the raids this particular build isn't ideal in most cases
spring prism
it just felt like i was being criticised simply because its what i had
especially with abenteespy's message
tender hollow
Not at all. Wasn’t my intention to be critical of you. It sounded like someone told you that Hunters Fury would be a good raid build, I was more being critical of them. I didn’t realise it was simply the best you had available. My apologies.
spring prism
ah ok well, the only other viable builds i had were true patriot, skill dps, and eclipse protocol xd
which none really work in raids i assume
vagrant wing
They have a place in IH
tender hollow
If you’re planning on doing a lot of raiding though I’d strongly recommend making a good Glass Cannon build for Dark Hours and a good Focused build for Iron Horse. It doesn’t really take long to get used to using them and once you can you will be much better off for it.
spring prism
i honestly dislike doing dps, so i might farm for healing build
but then again, having builds of each is good
tender hollow
There’s really no need for a healer in dark hours. But healers are useful in iron horse.
spring prism
yeah i know
i mean, i just completed my first ever raid yesterday so i cant really know what to build as much as you guys
vagrant wing
Well for DH the only necessary build whos not DPS is an EMP build for razorback (and some ppl might even argue about this one) so you kinda out of luck. For IH you need more build diversity so...
tender hollow
Iron Horse is a lot more technical in terms of tricky mechanics. But once you’ve done it a few times it isn’t all that hard.
One problem about DH is the number of elites. If they aren’t dead fast enough it’ll be a problem when doing a dps phase or something
tender hollow
@spring prism go with the meta DPS build - something like https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/g9w0xj/baseline_dps_build_for_any_contentraid/ except no contractors unless your using lmg. Use unbreakable initially then start using other talents. You help the team more by not dying as often as a new starter. People are recommending 50+CHC / 150+CHD now
vagrant wing
Contractors will actually be better against armor enemies. Which are the most dengerous ones
late scarab
hunter's fury is good for certain positions on the 2nd and 4th bosses in IH... it's really the 3rd boss more than anything where you shouldn't have it
warm ibex
Just run the meta dps for your first raid! Coyote/Providence Mask, Providence Chest (Unbreakable/Obliterate/Focus) Ceska/Groupo Holster, Providence Backpack (Companion/vigilance), contractor/groupo/ceska gloves, foxprayer knees.
Classic M1a + boomerang, any secondary! All Attributes WPD, Chc + chd
spring prism
well i didint and i wasnt a burden for the team (at least i think so)
muted horizon
@tender hollow i have to disagree on your statement - so you're saying to newer raiders "take 50%-60% more dmg on mechanics you don't know, targets that don't have threat tables/aren't being tanked (cause DH you're not using a tank on anything but maybe 2nd boss ish), while doing 30% more dmg" while oblit literally gives 5% less for not taking 60% more dmg incoming...
when people are downed/need rez, it not only cuts that DPS, but also the other player ressing him (unless revive hive is thrown, which still means you're one less revive hive) - there's literally no reasoning to run glass cannon in the raid settings - focus gives more overall dmg, spotter is multiplicative with technician and likewise, obliterate gies only 5% less dmg boost now, while not giving 60% more incoming dmg - there's really no argument anymore to run glass cannon unless you're using a dmg skill build in heroics.
vagrant wing
You wouldn't believe what the demo spec with GC on a full red build can do 🙂
But generally speaking you're right. Thing is it forces a certain playstyle and some ppl doesn't like it
muted horizon
It forces people to take cover more amd use medkits more often due to red armor only being 726k and basically 2-3 hits make you go down with 60% increased dmg - the fact that mob bullets are based on mathematical rng (projectiles cannot be dodged by players own ability , like in destiny for example) then it makes it more often you’ll be getting hit, even if you’re in cover etc... the fact is, you spend more time ducking in and out of cover due to more dmg incoming, mobs in this game are programmed to hit you regardless of player ability, and coupled with the fact that I originally said in my first post newer raiders (meaning they don’t know spawn locations, they are 50-50 on boss mechanics, and possibly more out in open due to trying to figure out cover locations etc) - the fact that I’m getting rebuttals saying “they can use it in raid” is BS - new raiders should not be using glass cannon until they have a few clears under their belt, know the timing of mechanics and spawn locations of the mobs. It’s that frigging simple
smoky tapir
Also GC isn't the end all be all anymore really. Obliterate now comes very close to GC's power without having the drawback. Sure it takes a little more work for full benefit but you don't take the extra from GC anymore. As stated above, unless you KNOW what your doing, please dont use GC in raids. And really, both raids have no super hard DPS check that requires GC over unbreakable. In most cases, surviving does more damage over time then using GC.
tender hollow
Also which group you join on your first raid can greatly affect your experience. If you join a group with 7 "experienced" players, its going to be a cakewalk, even if you are level 30. But if there are only 2 or 3 "experienced" players, and a couple new players use PGC, its going to be a mess.
muted horizon
Which the latter happens more often than it should, hence why I felt compelled to reinforce saying to newer pug raiders “don’t be THAT guy using glass cannon in raid first time”
amber blaze
When is 3rd raid coming?
muted horizon
2023
after division 3 and avatar both come, along with netflix movie... >.> ... <.<
seriousness though... no one fucking knows/ubisoft doesnt care anymore at this point - if it's my guess, I'd say 85% of their dev team went to avatar, and only 4-5 people are working on Div2 at this point, keeping it in maintenance mode - the optimization table, season 4 announcement (and the fact they killed any villian left other than Faye is an indication this game's story is about to end) - they'll turn Alani last minute just to keep it chugging if they get more development money, but it's basically over IMO
tender hollow
Yes @muted horizon I’m saying build a glass cannon build with 50% crit chance and 200% crit damage and get used to playing in it. Do all your open world missions in it and all control points and get used to a new play style. It only takes a few days to get used to it. Then start using in Dark Hours, just use a revive hive until your comfortable enough to not need the hive any more. For iron horse make the exact same build but switch to focused instead of glass cannon.
If you have enough damage on your build in Dark Hours the enemies don’t even get time to shoot back at you. Iron horse is the same, in fact the enemies are easier to kill, but you have mortars and lasers and environmental damage to contend with, so focused is a better choice.
If it’s your first raid then sure, make an obliterate build while you’re learning the mechanics. But the damage output is significantly lower than glass cannon, so you’re goal should be to run the entire raid in glass cannon. Again, if you are happy just being an average raider doing casual runs then fine. But if you ever hope to speed run or post fast times then aim for most damage you can possibly do.
smoky tapir
actually obliterate isn't much lower then GC. If you dont have any other sources of TWD, then its exactly the same as GC when stacked.
Using Vigilance (the most common back talent), combined with GC it gives 56% boost, vs a 50% boost with Obliterate.
tender hollow
That’s wrong. Glass cannon gives you amplified damage not base weapon damage.
smoky tapir
correct, and TWD is a seperate mulitpler compared to base weapon damage
with no other sources, 25% TWD is exactly the same as 25% AMP
tender hollow
Mmmm wrong again sorry.
smoky tapir
WD, TWD and Amps are all separate multiplers in the damage forumula
amps are all just multipliers themselves while WD and TWD are addivite with the same type but still an overall multipler in the damage forumula
tender hollow
Weapon damage and total weapon damage are additive, they are essentially exactly the same thing. Glass cannon is multiplicative. The damage output is significantly higher.
smoky tapir
additive with other sources of each, they are NOT additive with each other, WD and TWD are seperate values
tender hollow
Might need to check your math on that one bro sorry.
smoky tapir
WD, TWD and Amps are 3 different multiplers in the damage forumula
along with crit+HSD, DttooC and DtA/DtH
WD from red cores, from the weapon core itself and any brand bonuses are added together for the "WD" mutlipler, TWD is a different multipler that comes from Talents and is no way added to WD
Base Dam * WD * TWD * (CHD + HSD) * DttooC * DtA/DtH * (each amp) is the bare bones forumula
tender hollow
So you’re suggesting that TWD is essentially amplified damage?
That formula is wrong btw
muted horizon
that's fine, clearly you arent getting the point of all this, so I'm removing myself from the discussion after this last food for thought - you're advising new raiders that don't know timing, mechanics, and spawn locations that it's OK to take 60% more incoming dmg on mobs that can generally 4-5 shot players without GC/PGC... so kudos to you running pug raids with ppl in GC/PGC that are newer, I hope you guys finish the run eventually
vagrant wing
The formula is correct. The weird thing is if you have 1 additive talent (lets say vigilance) and 1 amp dmg (GC for example) it's the same as having 2 amp talents.
However - GC is superior to obliterate (assuming the BP talent is additive). Moreover - obliterate has a "charge" time and you lose quite a lot of dmg because of it (focus too)
But overall - i agree with the opinions advise to newcomers to avoid GC
muted horizon
it's not about the damage factor guys at this point - if you run obliterate/unbreakable/focus/spotter with a crit 50%+ and chd stack build, shit will die fast regardless... but to tell ppl to take 50-60% more dmg when they are new to raid, is stupidity
vagrant wing
It depends on the group. For casual laid back raid - i'm more than agree with you, But there're cases where it doesn't apply
unique shoal
You can finish raid with zero dps players, all this talk about red build stats make me sleepy zzzzzzz
muted horizon
again, my original post stated "new raiders" - i'm not including ppl that clear consistantly/know encounters from extensive pulls
vagrant wing
I know. And i said i agreed 🙂
smoky tapir
generally just everyone surviving will get you thru an encounter in "most" cases.
unique shoal
If you run dps in my group you get kicked. I will not tolerate red cores
vagrant wing
no no no - hybrid blue yellow is the new meta
unique shoal
No I seriously mean it, we finished IH with no dps players in 1 hour 39 mins (that included a 20 min lunch break on boss 3). We gonna do it again now we figured strats we can do i believe round 45 min mark
muted horizon
3-3
unique shoal
Boss 2 and 4 are surprisingly easy, boss 3 we struggled but figured out strats after a few wipes
tender hollow
Pretty sure I said new raiders should make a glass cannon build and use it on open world missions and control points to get used to it and then factor it into the raid.
smoky tapir
id believe it, really 3 is the only one really with any sort of dps issue
tender hollow
And a focus build for iron horse rather than glass cannon.
smoky tapir
GC since the obliterate buff lost a lot of its super bonus over all the other talents, PGC of course has that extra 5%
unique shoal
@smoky tapir 3 wasn't the issue we expected, add control with 7 drone turret builds is just "lmao". Its breaking lava with our weak ass guns the issue, and his weakpoint on burn phase.
smoky tapir
heh
run some BKs at the vents 😛
i take it drones and turrets can't hit the lava in that case
unique shoal
Thats exactly what we did to compete after 2 wipes. 3 guys ran bullet King. On all yellow builds thats enough "dps". If anyone talks shit about not having dps in the future imma troll them lol. Drone and turret look like they can target lava but do nothing unfortunately. They just sit there.
smoky tapir
ya, its really all mechanics
tender hollow
If any of you guys are on Xbox feel free to jump into one of our LFG raids next time. When you see the different full DPS makes you will never go back.
unique shoal
@smoky tapir 100%, sort of wanted to do no dps run just for fun, but surprised by how easy it was once we stopped giggling and actually took it semi seriously. You can do skill builds, I decree it has been confirmed lol (at least for IH).
smoky tapir
heh i havent really done dps or skill builds yet in IH, ive always been basically either tank or healer (which i enjoy)
unique shoal
Boss 4 is just sooo chill with all the turrets and stinger hives lol. Its a thing of beauty to behold lol.
tender hollow
It’s definitely good fun doing it in a skill build. I’m certainly not saying DPS is the only way to go. My original comment was that if your goal is to eventually post some faster times or speed run then it’s worth taking the time to get used to running full DPS.
unique shoal
Don't take me seriously, ofcourse I would never recommend running skill builds for lfg, but we were mates wanting to goof around only to find out zero dps builds is actually required to finish the raid. Mind you still gotta have some near min maxed skill builds.
smoky tapir
ya, speedruns or super fast clears, of course dps wins out. But for anyone new to raiding, i would always advise against GC since obliterate's value is so close to the same value and really would rather they run neither and run unbreakable instead. A dead agent does 0 dps regardless of their gear/talents/skill
tender hollow
The obliterate value may be close to that of Glass Cannon. But the damage output is significantly lower.
warm wren
"the damage may be close to glass cannon. But the damage is much lower"
smoky tapir
just depends on what other sources of TWD coming in. Lot of time in raids theres several other sources coming in from others
prob expect Obi's value ot be between 15%-20% in a raid
tender hollow
Nope. I’m testing it right now and obliterate does 680,000 less per shot on my M1A. That’s significant.
unique shoal
Again all this talk about dps talents to run. Run what your comfortable with. Imma go try braced now cos why not. Already proved you dont need any dps to finish this raid lol
tender hollow
Not arguing with you @unique shoal but new players should be aware that obliterate and glass cannon are not even close to the same damage.
warm wren
A dead agent doesnt do any damage.
tender hollow
Neither does a dead npc
unique shoal
You can die even if you run unbreakable. GC is a fine talent. When I'm feeling risky I run it. It depends on my mood. I like it doesn't have ramp up time like other talents. But let's get real here, we all know explosive delivery is the best talent for chest.
humble solar
@unique shoal fucked around with my strikers build with braced and a booster hive. Its like pc aim on any weapon
crisp merlin
Why would they be close to the same damage? Obliterate is 25% TWD and PGC is 30% amp. Do some algebra and you can find the exact difference
uncut crypt
Obliterate > PGC ❤️
weary niche
You can always run skill builds, of course if team is okay with it. Example myself i ran exclipe in first part of the raid, pre rooms and third boss and we where speedrunning that thing.
And one thing as a dps, exclipe backback is insane to use on dps build, if you have the right team layout, that gives you 30 amplified damage
muted kettle
Epic
wooden cosmos
I'm so happy
amber blaze
It's perfectly fine using glass cannon if you play smart and use common sense but more than often pugs who use it are more of a liability and need reviving or healing alot. A healer isn't going to concentrate all their resources and time on one player.
crisp merlin
Anyone know how much dmg the furnace room in Fieser fight deals?
muted horizon
dont know number, but in 726k armor the ticks are for 2 armor bars roughly per second
(726k being for no blue core)
and that's also assuming you're not getting hit by fieser at all
vagrant wing
it depends on the stacks of fieser as well
muted horizon
fieser stacks dont effect the tick dmg from fire room
actually my bad they do
and ur right 100 stacks of the room = 2 armor
i should have clarified that - it's 100 stack (max) is 2 armor ticks per second in 726k armor
thanks adler
if you're talking fieser buffs tho, that does not effect the environment tick dmg - that's only for his flame thrower dmg intensity/range
which can be mitigated by Haz protect
uncut crypt
Let's use laymen terms 🤣
muted horizon
"you burn fast and take some decent dmg" "use caution"
languid grail
Can anyone help me with the raid? Keep getting kicked from some
muted horizon
@languid grail do you have a red weapon core dps build? That has atleast 45%+ Crit chance and then stack crit dmg with an AR, lmg or rifle? Amd do you understand English?
And
uncut crypt
Do u have glass cannon with rainbow stats?
gusty heart
what rv 5 means?
normal mirage
Raid Voice 5
gusty heart
thanks
amber blaze
I wish they could fix the errors caused by using shotguns and exotics during Feiser encounter. Are devs even aware of the bug?
tender hollow
@amber blaze apparently the bug is where you shoot the boxes before they register causing it to be wrong
mossy stone
lfg dh
warm wren
Try in #lfg-raid-pc , @mossy stone
warped merlin
if i completed the DH raid once this day and i run it again can i still open the last chest (i have 4 keys)
?
vagrant wing
Yes. You can open the chest as many time as you want as long as you have the correct amount of keys
warped merlin
okk, thanks
neon elbow
2ppl in Voice chat 10 looking for a DH Group...
limpid pumice
do you get ironworks base materials from repeat raid runs
cunning night
Nope, first time during the week.
flint iris
What kinda tank do yall run for morozova?
cunning night
Don’t run that role too much there, but I just run 4 piece foundry with perfect vanguard. Also run belstone backpack with opportunistic.
humble solar
4pc TP motherly gloves and perf vanguard. 2 pieces rolled for red, 4 blue. Use technician and kaid pistol for shield tier 6 in tunnel. With arti hive.
Still got 14.8mil shield health, 1.5mil armor, and do decent dmg
midnight wing
yo, if someone has a raid checkpoint can i join their game without having a full 8 man and just open the end chest with enough keys?
uncut crypt
you'll need to complete the final raid boss to unlock chest
midnight wing
ah okay thanks
vagrant wing
interesting question tho. what if i just completed it - one of the members left and this guy wants to join to open the chest? i'd guess it wouldn't work but i don't know for sure
dapper gyro
Probably won't work.
Tried something similar some time ago after a IH run.
Wanted to get someone a Rav, forgot to switch toons since this one was out of keys, switched to another of my toons after boss kill since the other toons all had lots of keys, but couldn't open the chest.
molten granite
anyone wanna run dark hours?
warm wren
@molten granite Try in #lfg-raid-pc
celest nebula
dont know number, but in 726k armor the ticks are for 2 armor bars roughly per second
@muted horizon FYI one small bar is 50k in lv40
dusky bolt
interesting question tho. what if i just completed it - one of the members left and this guy wants to join to open the chest? i'd guess it wouldn't work but i don't know for sure
@vagrant wing the box will not be highlighted and he wouldnt be able to open it.
vagrant wing
Yeah i thought so. Thanks
tender hollow
No but if you get the exotic it can be shared with them
Thats how i got most ppl lvl 40 eb’s
vagrant wing
FYI one small bar is 50k in lv40
@celest nebula doesn't it depends on your watch lvl?
celest nebula
Nah
Well for lv30 it's a different unit
But as a DPS with no armor core on full armor bonus from watch you'll have 726k
vagrant wing
don't you have 10% armor bonus from your watch? i might be wrong here i can't remember
But as a DPS with no armor core on full armor bonus from watch you'll have 726k
nvm. Yeah that's what i meant
celest nebula
actually nvm it's like 55k
brittle sluice
viscid kelp
Just can't get the EB after 20 raid any hints
smoky tapir
keep farming some of us had a ton ton ton more then that
basically ask if anyone could pass one to you as well
muted horizon
@viscid kelp you need to create a shrine to the RNG god next to your PC, and pray every time you boot up Division 2
also, bring people to mooch the gun off of if it drops from them (aka ppl that completed/have it)
uneven garden
And imo there is a couple AR better than EB plus ravenous so strong
viscid kelp
Thanks
smoky forge
And imo there is a couple AR better than EB plus ravenous so strong
@uneven garden its burst damage is so low... (the ravenous)
muted horizon
first off, you're comparing a rifle (ravenous is a rifle) to an AR... so why not throw M1A classic, LMGs etc into mix to compare that EB is mediocre at best... it's a weapon for 4 man missions if you want to have a tenacity buff up from time to time for extra survability as dps, but that's about it's extent...
on bosses like buddy and lucy it's worthless, razorback almost worthless, grey worthless, fieser burn it's worthless (his adds if you're on AB or C is fine i guess but they spawn too far apart from eacother to have the 10 seconds buff up/stacking), morozova is meh/worthless
basically, run an AR like AK-M, G36, Mk16 with a good third attribute and strained - you have a better dps weapon
uncut crypt
Or police m4 or damage with killer. Go ratatatat
humble solar
@muted horizon not sure if you're bein sarcastic. But rav is amazing on all those bosses except grey lol
muted kettle
Rav is good for heavy and boss melt, including warhounds
muted horizon
@humble solar talking about eagle bearer... not ravenous
ravenous is a great gun, but the thread above my reply was to an EB post
humble solar
My bad, was still waking up and misread
tender hollow
You’ll get it eventually @viscid kelp just keep grinding. I think I’ve probably only had maybe 20 Eagle Bearers drop from over 1000 completions, so the drop rate is very low. But having said that I did get 2 from consecutive raids once so it’s completely random.
And then you’ll put it your stash and let it gather dust because its not as good as it used to be. 😂
uneven birch
Is anyone running IH on normal
tender hollow
You on Xbox @uneven birch ?
uneven birch
Yep
tender hollow
I’m not online at the moment but my clan does carries and raid help most days
uneven birch
Whats your clan Im happy to join
tender hollow
ZFG. Just add me it’s AbsenteeSpy
I put up an LFG post when we start so just respond and I’ll get you in.
We also have a public channel in our discord where we have raid events people can sign up to.
hazy quail
Whats your ideal/suggested build for IH boss 3 diagnostics role? I have a 4pc true patriot + nightwatcher + tardigrade build rolled with hazpro that i was using but it felt underwhelming. Switched to 3pc eclipse protocol + 1pc golan + 2pc ceska w spotter/opportunistic and riot foam to do more damage + cc, but idk, i feel like theres probably better options still.
normal mirage
@hazy quail the latter build is pretty good for more aggressive teams. Honestly, both works and it depends on what your team is comfortable with
uneven garden
I just run dps with tardi chest. imo haz pro is only needed for the switches before las boss
muted horizon
there's little to no point using skill/cc build at diagnostic seeing first phase your 75% holding button/moving to computer, and third phase you're reading letter readouts - and everytime boss comes out, you're not shooting foam at him due to having to jump down... just run red dps on diagnostic with another person prioritizing snipers - like @uneven garden said, tardigrade on that duty is acceptable becuase u canwhip out 50cal/special weapon to reset tardigrade as youre going back up top...
echo agate
After trying for weeks I have finally been able to complete the iron horse raid for the first time. I know I shouldn't be flexing but I'm just too happy to not share this.
Thank you, kind people who helped me finish this raid I wish you the best of luck.
tawdry widget
@hazy quail Do a Hazard/DPS build, 2x Ceska, 1x Sombra, 1x Yaahl, 1x Contractors, 1x Fox. Obliterate/Spotter + Vigilance. All pieces with hazard protection rolled and CHC/CHD. 1x mod for burn, 1x for shock, 1x CHC/CHD. With that combination you should be immune to burn, shock and disorient, so you can skip the fire phase valve and do the blue valves, while also being able to take care of snipers if needed and doing some damage.
Being immune to disorient isn't really needed, but since you'll be close to the 93% to be immune, why not.
meager pasture
When you are at Morozova and it is time to go under the bridge, what triggers that the airstrike can reach us under the bridge?
It doesn't happen all the time, but it happens more and more often. We are standing in the line behind the tank, and then red circles appears on our location and bum 😂
verbal mist
It’s kinda weird on that timing but if you go too deep in the tunnel too quick it tends to blow you up . Personally I think it’s a glitch if you don’t go too early
warm flower
go-to builds for IH?
tawdry widget
@meager pasture can't go into the tunnel before the siren goes off/morozova goes back in
otherwise the mortars will hit you and since everyone else is in there, they will hit everyone
meager pasture
Full red dps, future initiative with btsu, tank with vanguard @warm flower
warm flower
Full red dps, future initiative with btsu, tank with vanguard @warm flower
@meager pasture Got it 🙂
hazy quail
Thank you guys for the build advice
meager pasture
@tacit heron here is how to get the blueprints (i chose random youtube video)
https://youtu.be/5AyJSQmaOGk
marble tangle
How does someone like myself who has never done the raid and does not know many people on this game play it? Would like to get EB and Foundry blueprints.
uneven birch
Welcome to my world im over watch lv 350 and still cant find a raid for ih
Even tho I know all the steps by heart lol
tawdry widget
@marble tangle @uneven birch Raids are happening all the time, on your left in this Discord, all those Raid Voice channels have people doing the raid. "I have no friends" isn't really an acceptable excuse. No one knows anyone until they start putting themselves out there. That's true for both a clan or a raid voice channel. One thing I can assure you, though, no one will ever send you a written invitation for you to join. Just join, be friendly, explain you haven't done it, ask if that's ok and go from there. If it's not ok for that group, no sweat, try again in another time. If you end up in a messed up group, leave and try again in another time.
vagrant wing
what's the watch lvl have to do with it?
cunning night
I’ve seen people over SHD 1000 with bad builds and SHD 100 people with good builds. Watch doesn’t mean much unless you’re looking strictly at time played.
Even then, that doesn’t mean they’re good either.
tawdry widget
My experience tells me that being friendly or not has a longer and more meaningful impact on how others perceive you than the SHD/hours played/builds/etc.
cunning night
That is true. Be honest about your experience level
tawdry widget
No one wants to be around a douche with a gazillion SHD a gazillion hours played or who knows how many min-maxed builds.
cunning night
Being with friendly people makes it much more enjoyable and in turn, makes it easier in my opinion. Better than hanging around with the aforementioned.
verbal mist
One more recommendation ... be honest to the group . Don’t bs them
drowsy ivy
I'm a bit curious about fellow Tank builders' build for the 2nd IH boss, i mean since most of the Tanks of my region, China, prefers the pop-in-pop-out way , and when i'm playing with the guys in the west, whose method is to stay in with the boss, isn't really that durable ,and i cant really do the "Wipe cancel" quick enough when he does the vapor explosion attack, so, may i know the build ? cause i run with a 100% Hazard protection build, and got roasted by the flame thrower, and when i tried a foundry armor regen one, i got roasted by the heat
muted horizon
You go 4 set foundry with vanguard chest (gila pointman) - roll vanguard buff every 25 seconds to keep bonus armor up and basically kite the boss around perimeter of room while staying out of boss range as best you can (stack some haz protect for the lava on ground and his flame thrower)
Run reviver hive and crusader shield as shield doesn’t actually block the dmg - it’s more to just keep vanguard active
Some ppl run true patriot but I feel foundry’s Regen is easier to kite and not have to worry about heal recovery (which requires you to shoot and hit him) while staying out of flame thrower range
tawdry widget
@drowsy ivy it all depends on how quick the codes are done
If they're quick, you can survive with zero regen, 3 blues, 3 reds to get his health prepped for damage phase
If it starts dragging... yeah, regen, and ideally go out every wipe mechanic so you can get your stacks down
Also, Ravenous, left shoulder for the bonus armour
drowsy ivy
at the problem of "No Ravenous"
cunning night
Never tried it, but maybe ridgeway for extra armor regen?
Tough to give up vanguard though. It does help a lot.
tawdry widget
Yep, not only you but the other 7 too.
Without a Ravenous, adrenaline rush is probably the best. It keeps on activating every few seconds.
cunning night
Ad rush probably is the best option here.
humble solar
I use 3pc prov, contractors, fox prayers, and 1 yahll piece. All have hzd rolled into and is a 6 red build. Intimidate and ad rush and rav. Youll be fine if you keep proccing armor. But it depends how fast the rest of your team is in shooting the boxes, otherwise you will die or have to step out.
Could also use 2WH 2yhall, contractors and foxes
*yaahl
viscid fossil
yes
tender hollow
Even with 100% hazard protection @drowsy ivy you can’t mitigate the heat damage in the furnace. If you have 2% or 3% armour regen on your tank build you should be able to survive without too much trouble. But, only if the codes and the water are done without errors. I run a 6 red DPS build in the furnace so @humble solar is definitely correct. But this only works with very fast codes and water. I wouldn’t recommend 6 reds until you’re completing Boss 2 in under 4 minutes.
smoky forge
first off, you're comparing a rifle (ravenous is a rifle) to an AR... so why not throw M1A classic, LMGs etc into mix to compare that EB is mediocre at best... it's a weapon for 4 man missions if you want to have a tenacity buff up from time to time for extra survability as dps, but that's about it's extent...
on bosses like buddy and lucy it's worthless, razorback almost worthless, grey worthless, fieser burn it's worthless (his adds if you're on AB or C is fine i guess but they spawn too far apart from eacother to have the 10 seconds buff up/stacking), morozova is meh/worthless
@muted horizon i was saying that ravenous isn't the best rifle. i didn't say anything about the EB 🤦♂️
but ya its good
just not the best
uneven garden
i mean it’s not apple to orange In the sense that only one exotic is allowed n ravenous works better on heavies and tanks
but ravenous needs min 6 shots to proc your relatively more vulnerable if wearing GC/Pgc
tender hollow
Lol joining people that ignore “does team kwtd” its a trap
wanton sphinx
tawdry widget
@wanton sphinx wrong channel. check #lfg-raid-pc
gleaming cliff
Looking for raid DJ on ps4 INV me
warm wren
nope do that in #lfg-raid-console @gleaming cliff
gleaming cliff
Sorry
smoky forge
i mean it’s not apple to orange In the sense that only one exotic is allowed n ravenous works better on heavies and tanks
@uneven garden the ravenous only works good as a secondary.
i tried using only the ravenous and it was really bad
switch to it on tanks/warhounds/ anything else it works good on
for me i use a custom pg416 or m1a cqb with it
but yes the ravenous is the best exotic
always have a gun with high burst dps
idk i just don't like it that much because it takes a lot of time to kill enemies with
flint iris
I wouldn’t say the absolute best exotic, but it’s definetly up there
crisp merlin
Someone mentioned “prepping Fiesers health for damage phase” what does that even mean? Im new to tanking fieser, is there even point in shooting him?
muted kettle
once fieser goes below 4 bars he heals from the train car so you could get pre damage on him so that when you have to kill him you don't waste to much time killing a full health fieser
it just makes the fight faster
crisp merlin
Ah ok tysm. To clarify, before killing him, just keep him above 4 bars health?
cunning night
Pretty much
olive rain
when is the next raid?
tranquil flume
I hope there’s a new raid too 😭
uncut crypt
IH is the considered new one, next raid would take a year or so
or perhaps division 3
muted horizon
dont expect another raid at this point - with optimization table the devs are basically stating that this is the end of the line, and for the players still in this game to get god rolled without RNG base.. the whole point of the game loop/business pitch - it's division 1 end-life cycle red flag... there wont be another raid for div2, and division 3 isn't happening due to avatar being made til 2022, along with most of the devs that were on division 2 going to that project...
.. and by all means, if the "ubi" moderators in this discord think i'm wrong, please remove the post... but writing was on the wall when WoNY came out, you killed your "makarov" character ina 4man mission, and then turned faye only to have her be a reskinned boss in a manhunt mission
there's no antagonists left to make a division 3... unless they turn alani (way overdue regardless at this point) at the very end of season 4
smoky tapir
thing is though is that this isn't div1's optimization station and the materials are not that easy to get and the costs for Tier 9 and Tier 10 upgrades can take a long time for your average gamer
so i wouldn't fully rule out a 3rd raid possibility
muted horizon
the mats will be easy to get.. dont kid yourself - it'll be like 2-3 heroic missions to get a tier 9 to 10 upgrade... which is about 30 minutes of gameplay
as for the 3rd raid... ok.. let's look at their track record:
smoky tapir
uh, no, have you even played the pts yet, the project materials alone to do one upgrade can easily take 2+ weeks (costs 60 and projects give 1-5)
its (as of now) a very slow process that takes away time from farming for god rolls the normal means
muted horizon
dark hours didnt come out until 6 months into game life... people cleared after week 1... it took them a year and a half to make another raid with 4 bosses, 5 trash pulls (1 trash in between bosses) , cleared first day it was released ...
they have no antagonist to write a third raid... they used all the main antagonists through season manhunts and current missions
if they were to do a third raid, what? we killed cleaners leader in tanker... we killed morozova (true sons) in IH, we killed outcasts at national zoo, we killed BTSU in the next two manhunts (shaeffer and faye), and we killed keener... so what? rogue agents they will just name at random?
smoky tapir
i mean they aing gonna make impossible content. they showed that already by the nerf cries of legendary and heroic being to hard
and we do still have a rabbit hole yet with president ellis
muted horizon
how bout the 2 other strongholds that have been in the game for about a year now ... make those have a legendary mode? least give somewhat fresh stuff to the content thats there?
dont you find it odd they never made legendary for TB and MNZ?
its cause there's literally 3 devs i bet left on this game
smoky tapir
do note that the raids weren't developed by the same team, the raids were developed by a group in france if i recall
warm wren
That kinda negative attitude'll get you a slap on the wrist, Crif.
icy hull
I mean just look at Cleaners, they added a 2nd cleaner leader just for Div 2 (we killed the 1st one in Div 1). They might just do the exact same thing for Div 3 with all the other bosses 😛
But what actually said ^^^
muted horizon
@warm wren we're having a discussion about the possbility of a third raid - it's being used as part of discussion based on factual information in the game, but i'll cut back on it as you say.. it's negative i agree - but when you play the game for over 1100 hours you get frustrated
smoky tapir
hard content just wont exist in todays gaming community. To many people cannot handle hard content without massive cries of nerf so actually seeing content that only 1% of the player base can do just wont exist really in any game today anymore
the hardcore will always basically clear something in day 1
warm wren
I mean, look at destiny. Every raid was cleared day 1.
icy hull
the hardcore will always basically clear something in day 1
@smoky tapir this so much
smoky tapir
that has actually been true for along time as it is since i was a hardcore raider in WoW for 9 years a long time ago so i do know a bit of how its evolved over the years. Its more casual based
muted horizon
i'm not talking about destiny tho.. im talking about factual stuff in the game as of now, for the division 2 - and just a note on destiny... destiny seems to get better with every content patch/expansion... division 2, can't compare IMO
if you want to bring destiny into it
smoky tapir
the skill gap between the bad player, the average player and the hardcore player is so massive, its not possible to make content for each anymore
elder nova
Hey what do all the acronyms mean in the lfg group?
have never done any of the raids but am trying to prep for some IH runs for a ravenous
elder nova
DH is dark hours right?
smoky tapir
its part of the main reason i retired from hardcore raiding as it was getting "too easy" to do in a single day
muted horizon
exp = experienced (meaning know the actual mechanics in normal and have completed)
dh = dark hours
Ih = iron horse
elder nova
ih is where to farm the ravenous right?
smoky tapir
yes
warm wren
Yeah.
elder nova
what builds do people usually run for IH? and does anyone have like a quick reference vid for it? (srry ive never done a raid but have been playing since launch)
warm wren
@elder nova check in #td2-build-advice pinned spreadsheet, there a bunch of builds in the hub tab. Build the "Full meta jacket" and you'll do well.
elder nova
is full meta jacket a DPS build? alright thanks for the suggestions will also check out that cid
warm wren
It is a DPS build. Standard Crit Rifle.
elder nova
alright thanks ill farm these items hopefully to run IH soon
whole spoke
Technically we’ve still got two of the Hyena council that escaped the purge of DUA our agents did. So possible raid bosses there. But very unlikely
olive rain
when is the next raid
warm wren
Nothing has been announced yet, @olive rain
olive rain
DAM
amber blaze
Don't get your hopes up the lead raid designer started working on other games after Iron Horse
uncut crypt
lets wait for div 3, prepare rainbow builds
grave basin
btw what are loadouts,dps,armour required for raids?
uncut crypt
Dark Hours - Pure DPS
Iron Horse, - Hazard Protection to DPS, to Key Tank to Stagger Tank(?)
you need rainbow builds, all god roll purples
devout kite
for DH mainly DPS and maybe a HW build with Jammer pulse
for IH FI healer, mainly dps again, hazard protection (optional), tank
muted horizon
Let’s keep it simple for the dudes asking what to bring - dh you need 7 red core weapon dps spec per boss, while ih requires atleast 5 per fight ... just build a red weapon core build crit hit to 50-60 range then stack crit dmg... once you do raid as weapon dps then you can explore the other roles
Because honestly if they are asking about composition it means 1) they don’t know the raid bosses and / or mechanics that happen per boss and 2) you don’t want to have a new person in a pug group who hasn’t done the raid doing healing or drone duty for example... if they never saw the fights to begin with
dire blaze
what iron raid drop ?
warm wren
Iron raid drop Ravenous, Regulus, FI & FB bag and chest
high dagger
IH Dps
6 red core
Mask: Providence/coyote
Vest: Providence (w:Unbreakable/Oblitrate/focus/temper trap/gc*for exp player)
Holster : Providence/Grupo/Fenris
Kneepad: Fox Prayer
Glove: Contractor Glove/grupo/provi/fenris
Backpack : Providence (w:p.vigilance/companion)
50-60 chc. Stack chd
Weapon:AR/Rifle/sweet dreams/named kard (to get 1 extra skill tier for extra skill duration and skill haste *change to kard whenever use a skill)
Skill:hive reviver & anyskill*depends on strat
Specialization : demolition for 5%dtoc and explosive resistance.
tawdry widget
I've been seeing people struggling to do Iron Horse's first boss lately because half the people are using Unbreakable. In that specific boss (and I'm guessing third boss too) it's a burden to everyone else.
muted horizon
It’s also cause everyone does the burn strat where you have all 8 up with boss... which unless everyone in party has good dps does not work as adds spawn in closest doors near boss when all 8 players are at his area... the original mechanic before players were cheesing mechanics where you had one dps in back where cyclinder is and another player on catwalk where turret is... if you have two players middle to back of room, adds for the fight (shotgun sniper heavies etc) all spawn out doors furthest from boss (near where you drop into room from raid start) - thus giving time to burn boss and shields upfront with 6 guys - the catwalk guy can switch between add duty and boss, while back guy does adds solely when they come out
But again... pug groups all end up standing up front with him (all 8 players) so the healer gets the burden of healing through add dmg and mortars if the mortar guys aren’t handled either along with boss
daring raptor
vagrant wing
As far as game constrains - you need to be at GS 485 at least or at lvl 40 (if you own WoNY)
As for groups constrains/recommendation you're required to have a good DPS build. Most groups will also require you to watch a guide or read a manual as well @frank ruin
frank ruin
Is that division 1 or 2?
vagrant wing
div 2 ofc
frank ruin
ahh i see thats why i havent heard of it
vagrant wing
You asked about div 2 didn't you? this is the div 2 section
frank ruin
My bad didn't know
warm wren
@daring raptor wrong channel, use #lfg-raid-pc
formal shuttle
Apart from the Eagle Bearer and the gearset blueprints, are there any other rewards exclusive to Dark Hours?
uncut crypt
no
humble solar
Commedations
tender hollow
Just because some of us can kill the 1st boss in under 10 seconds doesn’t mean we are cheesing mechanics @muted horizon. I’d be interested in hearing what you define as cheesing.
formal shuttle
@uncut crypt @humble solar thanks
muted horizon
@tender hollow I didn’t realize you would take it personal bud - it’s meant to say that standing point blank with all 8 players, ignoring all adds and mortars while using 3 sweet dreams on the shielders initially and then praying dps is good enough to burn boss down before next wave of shields come... I’d say that’s cheesing it...
With all that said. Guy said he was in groups that wiped to it, and I gave my opinion that even if ppl are wearing hnbreakable or whatever talents, you can kill the boss easier if you divert the adds to back and have 1-2 guys taking the add dmg out of equation... it’s better to have 6 ppl shooting him upfront all alive and add free than 8 ppl in a clusterfuck after 30 seconds shooting him with shotgunners and Chongas constantly hitting ppl is my point.
tender hollow
Interesting perspective @muted horizon . I’d say that using the tools you have at your disposal to take down the shields the best way possible is just smart play. Certainly not cheesing. If the 8 people shooting the boss just had more DPS you wouldn’t need to worry about the adds. I’d you have people running unbreakable and other people not even shooting the boss your making a very easy fight extremely hard.
muted horizon
Ok so your method is kick everyone in the pug until they have sole dps chest pieces, as opposed to elevating the pressure on the healer for the add dmg .. it’s not making it extremely hard, it’s essentially taking one dps and putting them in back for add duty so the lower pug dps can control boss and shields - I’ve done it both ways man countless times - I really don’t get why it’s personal for you or why you chime in that they should just “do more dmg”
It’s like “my group burns it fast so it should happen every time that way” mentality
I’m simply giving the alternative for if they are wiping on the 8 man stand in front of boss and shoot him strat
uncut crypt
jeezus
tender hollow
It’s not personal at all. People come on here looking for advice and when I see people giving the wrong advice I just correct them.
humble solar
*would recommend using regulus for the shield guys in stead of 3 sweet dreams.
tender hollow
The simple fact that you need to “control the shields” @muted horizon means you don’t have enough dps. The shields shouldn’t come out a second time.
high dagger
Yup I agree kill before 2nd wave. But to be more thoughtful is not just raw dps. Is combination of little things like member of the team use sniper to proc opportunistic and tactical link, Use firewall to get 10% in front, use hive booster for faster reload, artificer for turret, FI for buff and overcharge. Survivalist with fire turret 10% damage to status And all the other kind of buff. U will kill it in no time.
tender hollow
Most PC Pug groups have enough DPS to melt the boss either straight away or before the 3rd set of bulwark shield ads appear. If not the team's DPS and/or experience is lacking, and you need to change the strategy for all bosses in IH. i.e. wear unbreakable
mighty loom
Anybody on PS4 for dark hours raid?
valid marlin
@mighty loom Use #lfg-raid-console
alpine sequoia
Most PC Pug groups have enough DPS to melt the boss either straight away or before the 3rd set of bulwark shield ads appear. If not the team's DPS and/or experience is lacking, and you need to change the strategy for all bosses in IH. i.e. wear unbreakable
@tender hollow theres a third wave?
vagrant wing
they are endless
warm ibex
For lfg groups just put turrets at the spawnpoints. It should help to gain some extra time
uncut crypt
LMG Steaded hand or bk, go ratatatattaa
tawdry widget
@muted horizon In my comment about Unbreakable putting a strain on the whole team on Boss 1 of Iron Horse I didn't mention:
a) burn
b) kick
c) pug
If, as a team, there's not enough DPS to kill that boss as efficiently as possible (whatever that may be, before the second wave of shields or before the fifth), it's not Unbreakable that's going to help you or the team to do it. That's my point. IMHO, even if you're learning the raid, might as well start learning it with a DPS talent on the chest, otherwise you'll end up being "carried" by other people's DPS and not really knowing it or changing it later.
potent goblet
For the regulus project when getting the parts for the revolver it must be a fresh IH raid right ?
tender hollow
100% agree @tawdry widget. Unbreakable belongs on a sweaty PvP build and nowhere else. There are only 3 DPS chest talents you should bring to Iron Horse. They are Glass Cannon, Focused or Spotter. Sure there are a few exceptions for certain roles if you’re speed running, but unbreakable is not one of them.
Yes @potent goblet . The components only drop on the 1st fresh raid you do each week.
smoky tapir
should say they drop on boss first kills only for the week, doesn't have to be a "fresh" raid from the beginning, just has to be your first kill of each boss on the reset
verbal mist
@tender hollow you must run ih a bunch . What’s your time and how many clears ?
uneven garden
Imo glass cannon on boss 4 is tricky unless your skilful enough to dodge all turrets and lasers and mortars. if dps goes down on boss 4 it can easily be a wipe
uncut crypt
I wouldn't bring glass cannon to any raid unless you have a really really strong team which synchronise very well
humble solar
Clears should be obsolete. Too many people get cheat clears with 4th boss checkpoints. Reset the leaderboards again
tawdry widget
Not sure of what's the fastest Iron Horse clear on PS4, but on PC it has been 16 min and some change for quite a while now and it's clear to everyone that has speedrun that raid that it was a bug, intended or not. If they didn't clear the leaderboards for that (and for all the other mission times that are still standing from way back when the turret glitch was a thing), they're not going to clear the leaderboards because people have farmed the last boss. I bet it's not even in the top 100 of things to still fix in the game.
humble solar
22min on ps4 and yea i agree leaderboards aint that important, just want ppl to shut up about clears. It means nothing lol. I know some ppl who have 200 or 300 clears that dont know mechanics or strats and guys that have like 10 clears with competent knowledge.
uneven birch
Will anyone add me to there next IH raid, Tank Build, have beaten discovery mode over 5 times.... need the blueprints for the exotic pistol, playing on xbox 1 x
icy hull
Please use Raid LFG channel.
muted kettle
bruh moment
uneven birch
I have and noone ever responds for over a week now
icy hull
Still belongs there buddy.
muted kettle
It's not like a ps4 or pc person can make a difference
uneven birch
Understood, will continue to wait weeks for a raid
icy hull
I'd also suggest checking other LFG sources for XBox as well, might have an xbox communities on the console? I'm not sure though, in a ps4 guy
muted kettle
just play with friends and friends of friends and you will find a group eventually
took me a long time
icy hull
Also check with you friends/clan too
uneven birch
The only part that frustrates me is the fact is I know exactly how to beat the entire raid by heart.... I just don't have 8 people that I know on here willing to play it
muted kettle
That's most players
warm wren
You've only done Discovery though. Discovery has less mechanics than Normal.
muted kettle
that as well
icy hull
yup that ^^
muted kettle
discovery doesn't do to much because experience is better
uneven birch
Probably so but it's not like I wouldn't be able to be helpful to tune the raid..... I also I'm an extremely fast Lerner I just want to get this done
icy hull
id check with your clan for grouping with it. and if your clan isnt an active one, well maybe consider another one?
muted kettle
that as well
uneven birch
I've tried to find a clan that goes for raids more they're all invite only no one ever gets back to me
What were the other ways to try to find the lfg groups for Xbox
icy hull
I know PS4 has in console communities for it, maybe xbox has the same?
uneven birch
Guess it's back to Google and searching for a few more hours to try to find something....
If nothing else thanks for the conversation guys it was nice to be able to actually talk to someone for a change
muted kettle
when people see others with no experience they tend to look away at least from my experience so you have to show others that you can be a resource and a valuable one at that because if some one has never done normal raids they assume the worst
icy hull
^^
also get yourself a raid ready DPS build as well. those positions require less raid knowledge of the mechanics then other roles.
muted kettle
just point and shoot
tender hollow
I don’t really check my clears @verbal mist because completions don’t really mean anything anymore. But I think around 150 in IH and around 1200 in DH. Our current time in IH is 30:11 and in DH it’s 14:08.
I’m still trying to get you in a run @uneven birch we just haven’t done any carries this week. Lots of people playing new games so when we come on it’s just been for speed runs.
tender hollow
I have and noone ever responds for over a week now
while you look for a raid also create a DPS build of which 5 or more are needed in every boss -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBZpJB6sYGM&feature=youtu.be (also read the comments). Try to maybe join an Xbox clan that does raids
verbal mist
@tender hollow more than likely I’ve raided with you . Lvl 30 I had around 300 clears . We have a good team . Was just curious
tender hollow
Are you on Xbox? @verbal mist
tender hollow
It’s just AbsenteeSpy @verbal mist
uncut crypt
U don't got warlords of new York?
humble solar
What causes the emp pulse on morozova?
weary niche
Emp pulse?
humble solar
Was getting a disrupt on moro for some reason
uncut crypt
Think he was just talking about *back* in lvl 30
ohhhhh
vagrant wing
@humble solar her shock ability
muted kettle
When multiple people are around morozova she will do a boss stomp and shock everyone in a decent radius, i never seen the disrupt but it probably happens and i never noticed it
sinful ledge
hi guys, if there is any place to raid please invite me my game name and PADRYN0 discord GIPSY-KING new in Raid-Voice-17
muted kettle
@sinful ledge check #lfg-raid-PC
sinful ledge
yes
muted kettle
I'm not on pc so i can't see those lfgs so just making sure
tender hollow
Anybody doing Dh?
warm wren
@tender hollow do that in #578577794561474571
dawn kiln
Hosting dh raid
valid marlin
@dawn kiln Use #lfg-raid-console for lfg posts
mossy ridge
does the dmg to armor from contractor's gloves count for razorback weakpoints?
charred hornet
@mossy ridge does rzb have armor?
flat brook
rzb dont have armor so dont work
if you wont destroy fast weekpoint you can use revenouse plus burn out or police m4
mossy ridge
@flat brook thanks
flat brook
3 shout with left shoulder and 3 sht with right shoulde after use bunrout or police m4 and you cand do one solo weekpoint
mossy ridge
too bad I don't have the ravenous tho...
mossy ridge
easier said than done 😄
Thanks anyway, I don't have a prob killing the weakpoints, just always wondered about tha gloves thing
uncut crypt
Striker set with obliterate and negev dmoc and health and go ratatattata.
Striker is so underrated for razorbacks
warm ibex
Use striker with obliterate or focus and revenous! damn nice!
uncut crypt
indeed, Lfusion knows whats up
uneven birch
Can anyones clan run me through ih on normal ? I have been looking for over a month for a good team
.... basically i need a carry
valid marlin
@uneven birch Use #578577794561474571
uneven birch
You know saying that is not helpful or useful just frustrating.... seeeing how no one uses that channel.
valid marlin
And what makes you think that you'll find someone in a discussions channel if you can't find someone in a dedicated lfg channel? Maybe try #553518146275770371 then and see if you can find a clan in there. 
uneven birch
Ive done that got a clan thats amazing but cant beat normal...... at this point im starting to think its rigged.... also ill try your suggestion.... thank you isabel :)
uncut crypt
get a PC then
muted kettle
Could also get better teammates but pc might be better tbh
uncut crypt
doubt any rigged issue is happening otherwise forums and reddits will be flooded, best option is play on another platform
icy hull
yup not rigged, you guys just need to practice more.
uncut crypt
or get better gear, rushing it unprepared is just suicide
icy hull
@quaint rune @indigo dew Wrong channel, please use the Raid LFG channel.
warm wren
@cinder zealot use the LFG channel
cinder zealot
okay sorry
remote lake
Maybe a dumb question, but would it make sense to put status effect on a hard wired Pulse (Raid) Build instead skill damage? Since in the pulse description it says nothing about damage really but only "applies disrupt status effect on effected targets" So if I would put more status effect on my gear, wouldn't that make more "damage", because it increases the status effect?
flint iris
Not too sure the exact answer, but I don’t see a point in putting status anyway. Hw comes with skill dmg as its bonuses, and why not just stack that instead?
remote lake
I'm not sure either, I might try though. At least it gives you 2.9 sec effect duration if you do it. That might be enough to at least hold the drones long enough to kill them manually, if they don't completely die. Question would be how much damage the pulse really does, or how it applies to the drones specifically. I'm just talking raid specific here I don't use this particular build for anything else...
flint iris
The whole point of the drone killer is so that dps can focus on weakpoints and NOT be distracted by the drones
I’ve heard you need at least 85% skill dmg to fully kill the drones with one pulse
remote lake
Problem is it doesn't show any skill damage, just effect duration on pulse. But you are probably right. On my usual build I have all maxed out skill damage and the skill haste mods. And it has worked fine until recently. Since last Tuesday, it doesn't kill all the drones anymore, and I have no idea why that is. And it drives me crazy, lol
flint iris
Check on your stats sheet, you should be able to see skill dmg there
icy hull
Iirc jammer pulse doesnt show the damage in UI. **I believe **we found the base damage numbers and it's on the spreadsheet.
humble solar
You could roll status to make them stuck in position when they come out and shoot them with the perf. Vindictive gun to give others that extra crit. And have the orbit sidearm for your dps guys for even more dmg.
icy hull
And FYI status effect and skill damage both boost the jammer/emp damage.
flint iris
It shows the total skill dmg in the stats shee of character, no?
remote lake
No, unfortunately not. On Pulse you only see effect duration, on all others you see damage. I have pictures, but one isn't allowed to post them here...
As I said, one probably has to try, if it makes a difference... I have to find a group who is willing to take the risk of it not working first try... I think in this instance both makes kind of sense, the damage and the status effects, maybe one should mix it up a bit...
Thanks for all your input
humble solar
6max rolls equals 60% 4pc hw equals. 15% 1pc wyvers equals 10% making 85 very easy to get but sometimes even my build would mess up and not kill them all, and others too. Nothing wrong with your build but status effect rolls with those vindictive and finisher procs are very handy too.
remote lake
I might try another 10% damage with HanaU or Wyvern gloves instead of BTSU should work, I just have to adjust my timing a bit... Wyvern would be ideal, because 10% status as well.
humble solar
Btsu's are nice but you can always go into your inventory to swap gloves and do an overcharge real quick and swap back
west spruce
If you intend to incorporate BTSU & Survivalist spec into your hardwired jammer build, you will have to forego using HardWired chest and compensate it with ideally Wyvern Chest with Glass Cannon/Kinetic Momentum or Perfect Glass Cannon Chest with Skill Damage and Skill Tier roll. This will allow you to one shot first wave of drones without relying on your group mate tactical link (Demo Out of Cover Damage/Survivalist Damage to Status Effected enemies).
flint iris
I use skilled wyvern with survivalist and btsu and can kill drones fine
uncut crypt
^same
humble solar
I use overwatch when i drone with xbow and 4pc hw
warm ibex
@humble solar thats the all pro way i think. I use same
tender hollow
Overwatch is good as it also gives the team a damage bonus, but if they cant control ads and you get grenaded, it starts getting messy, although if you run with a good team, the chances of getting grenaded is very low
humble solar
@warm ibex i also use status rolls instead of skill dmg for vindictive and finisher proccs with the team
uneven garden
I think it requires kinetic or GC chest to ensure one shot drones irrespective of team member specs
vagrant wing
To add a bit to this discussion @remote lake , i haven't tested SE with emp build for the raid - i do however tested it on the summit. And while it's obviously not the same (the raid scale up to 8 players) it does give us a hint how it'll behave.
- on the summit to kill the drones you have to use the vile (and that's how they die) a full CC build usually bring them to half/third health. Ofc, you can't go that route on the raid since it has a long cooldown
- the exact numbers to one shot the drones on the raid are 90% skill dmg and above (either with or without a chest talent. The 85% Bend mentions doesn't take into account the chest talent)
- cooldown in between waves depends on the team DPS, but generally speaking it's somewhere between 13-15 sec (so your pulse cd should be at least 13-12 sec long and i really suggest to get it even lower, which ofc isn't a problem when you're using HW)
but the most important question is - why? why would you go that route when you can simply one shot them? there are 2 builds to do it 1 of them is very easy to set up
(The numbers shown here are based on @brave crag , @tender hollow and my testing - and i thank them for it 🙂 )
uncut crypt
are servers down?
dusky bolt
I use skilled wyvern with survivalist and btsu and can kill drones fine
@flint iris the other members in your group boost your jammer damage by running demo for ooc damage.
And by running skilled, it is not as beneficial (as running a full hw build w glass cannon or km) to your primary role of using the jammer to one shot the drones. Unless your timing to use the jammer is hella off 🤭
tranquil flume
Does The ooc buff stack from multiple player ?
humble solar
No
crimson vale
You can do it in all dps team using jammer in circles. Yes, you wont be able to kill them for good and here comes team work. As you have to finish drones quickly. The way to do it is: leader has to say when use jammer ie. you have 4 jammers so leader say 2 and 4 drones and ppl in 2 an4 circles cancel first wave. Everybody who see drones finish them asap. When second wave comes ppl in circles 1 and 3 use jammer. I know its more dificult way but works after some experience.
tranquil flume
You can do it in all dps team using jammer in circles. Yes, you wont be able to ...
Yup i do this now since nobody in my clan likes to use jammer build lol
crimson vale
Its mess sometimes I have to say. Lol
remote lake
As I said before, it used to work fine, even without all the talents you mentioned I was just asking about the status effect, out of curiosity, because it doesn't really say anything about damage in the description of the Pulse. I did another raid today, and it actually worked best with my original build.
humble solar
I use status rolls peraonally. It keeps the drones stationary for longer. I never kill the drones
dusky bolt
You can do it in all dps team using jammer in circles. Yes, you wont be able to kill them for good and here comes team work. As you have to finish drones quickly. The way to do it is: leader has to say when use jammer ie. you have 4 jammers so leader say 2 and 4 drones and ppl in 2 an4 circles cancel first wave. Everybody who see drones finish them asap. When second wave comes ppl in circles 1 and 3 use jammer. I know its more dificult way but works after some experience.
@crimson vale what about the third wave?
crimson vale
@remote lake you have to destroy drones so best way is go close to Razorback and hold button until it finish process itself. And in status efx first burst its skill dmg afik. Even in any other skill. Like firestarter ie. When you ignite you can see high dmg number at begining and this is skill dmg. So if you jamm drones and have enough skill dmg you can destroy them.
tranquil flume
@dusky bolt you mean on the 50% health rb phase ?
dusky bolt
@dusky bolt you mean on the 50% health rb phase ?
@tranquil flume there's going to be 3 waves of drones irregardless.
humble solar
1 phase at 100%, 2nd when it opens to drones, and if you do dmg to RB you get a third wave when it closes
tranquil flume
The one who pulse first will have the jammer ready
humble solar
And if you're slowat the grenade and xbow you can get an extra wave equaling 4 in total
tranquil flume
Yup
dusky bolt
The one who pulse first will have the jammer ready
@tranquil flume let's say the CD is ready for 3rd wave, your dps now has to deal with drones while shooting razerback's weakpoint.
tranquil flume
But if you do quick enough there is only 2 wave only right ? Hmm
vagrant wing
Can i ask a question real quick? Why? why are you trying to complicate things/re invent the wheel? The easiest way to do it is with a dedicated jammer build. If you're using HW (with max skill dmg & talent) you guaranteed to one shot them and buffing your team with BTSU or other talents
humble solar
Always 3
dusky bolt
But if you do quick enough there is only 2 wave only right ? Hmm
@tranquil flume I've never seen that before.
tranquil flume
I only faced the 3rd wave when its 50% health ...
crimson vale
Its tricky but doable. Good timing is important. Usualy your jammer will be ready for 3rd wave
tranquil flume
Its tricky but doable. Good timing is important. Usualy your jammer will be read...
Yaya
tranquil flume
Can i ask a question real quick? Why? why are you trying to complicate things/re...
But no one in my clan likes to use the jammer build tho 😦
crimson vale
Its not that complicated as it looks. And you get one additional dps player.
dusky bolt
Its not that complicated as it looks. And you get one additional dps player.
@crimson vale 🤔
vagrant wing
Its not that complicated as it looks. And you get one additional dps player.
😆 😆 (no offence tho) try this in a public group and tell me how it went
crimson vale
Instead of skill person
tranquil flume
Build it then. It's the easiest build possible
Ya i knew because normally im the one who do the jammer , but when i played as a dps role then i will do 4 jammer pulse on the inside 😂
crimson vale
Man been there done that. Lets have a minute of silence... lol
dusky bolt
Its not that complicated as it looks. And you get one additional dps player.
@crimson vale are you saying 8 players running jammer is not as complicated as 1 player running jammer?
crimson vale
As with any other activity. Like legendary mission. Its team work, timing and dmg. You have to try few times to get experience.
Not 8
4 is enough. Ppl in the circles. Usualy you have 2 survivalists and 2 grenades. If they wear jammer should be good
As I said you need practice. And Im not saying its the best way to do it. In clan we do it. Its your call if you wanna use it.
dusky bolt
As I said you need practice. And Im not saying its the best way to do it. In clan we do it. Its your call if you wanna use it.
@crimson vale Thank you for the insight on how multiple people can run jammer instead of one. 🙂
crimson vale
Np. Anytime. Im here to help. Give a try. Or have skill man.
uneven garden
If on PC prolly no need jammer at all just shoot them out
4-ppl jammer I’ve seen the 3rd wave can be tricky, either CD not done, or that you have tot get close to RB and get mortared
lament dragon
Can i ask a question real quick? Why? why are you trying to complicate things/re...
They changed it now and you need more damage to kill them. Stellar’s comment explains how to do it.
vagrant wing
They changed it now and you need more damage to kill them. Stellar’s comment exp...
Huh? I literally gave the numbers in an earlier comment
uneven garden
Stellar’s builds work 100%. I’ve tried various others and they don’t
and if dps enough you get 3waves if don’t break both weak points only 2 waves
tender hollow
^ I recommend Stellar's build. Though overwatch might be better but a bit riskier. My build is really good for pug groups and isn't hardwire, but if got you people instantly xbowing and grenade launching (not throwing), the cooldown isn't fast enough
tender hollow
^ one of the raiders here. We are chatting about the build that one person uses for the last boss in Dark Hours
hardy shell
oh
tawdry widget
@hardy shell For some basics, there are Youtube videos you can watch. Those will cover most of the raids and will guide you through all the stages.
hardy shell
ok boss
but one more
im stuck on gear score
non of that level 40 stuff
so how bad does it affect me when im going on a raid?
vagrant wing
The answer consist of 2 parts:
- You can raid only at GS 485 or above
- It depends on the group. From what i've heard there're not many lvl 30 players who raid regularly so assuming you're raiding with lvl 40 players - your gear will scale up. Not as high as lvl 40 but close to it. It really comes down whether the group are willing to take you or not @hardy shell
icy hull
If doing a level 30 raid, zero impact as its meant for level 30. If doing a level 40 raid, it does impact your dps as you have no watch levels and rolls of level 30 instead of level 40. (only base WD gets normalized not item rolls).
hardy shell
If doing a level 30 raid, zero impact as its meant for level 30. If doing a leve...
well i believe that is false
ive tried lvl30 with 2 or 3 friends
all 515
hoary ridge
if ur at a gear score doing level 40 raid ur our weakest teammate might as your non existent
icy hull
TLDR: FYI only base WD, health, Armor and skill damage get normalized upto level 40s (for level 30s). Gear rolls are still fixed at level 30 values and no watch.
hoary ridge
which in short term ur being carried
vagrant wing
if ur at a gear score doing level 40 raid ur our weakest teammate might as your...
what? that's not true at all
hardy shell
The answer consist of 2 parts:
1. You can raid only at GS 485 or above
2. It dep...
why thank you Russel
icy hull
well i believe that is false
not false at all, just how it works.
hardy shell
not false at all, just how it works.
ive tried it,and hear me out,the red enemy took a f.ocking tac50 to the head and doesnt even lose a quarter of his health
hardy shell
im pretty sure 4 red arent that bad
hoary ridge
its bad
icy hull
been confirmed by devs several times 😛
hardy shell
guess i just dumb
icy hull
well 4 red builds can be ~12% less dps or more (depends on the build)
hoary ridge
u get more benefits if u had a dedicated healer
vagrant wing
Don't forget - the raid scale up for 8 players. adds do more dmg and have more health than you're use to
hardy shell
u get more benefits if u had a dedicated healer
fair point,i wasnt into builds at that time
is it even technically possible to solo raid?
icy hull
impossible
vagrant wing
^^^ no. mechanic wise you cant
hardy shell
impossible
i mean on any raid,cuz i know the boomer part
smoky tapir
DH requires at the very least 4 and IH at the very least requires 2 mechanic wise (but would be nearly impossible anyway)
muted kettle
I've seen people try to solo ih and it didn't go well
icy hull
^^
hardy shell
one more thing
hoary ridge
Search it up solo raids
hardy shell
a tank build
smoky tapir
solo is not even possible due to mechanics
icy hull
^^
hoary ridge
All blues for tank foundry bullwork
smoky tapir
you could be invincible and solo would still be impossible
hardy shell
All blues for tank foundry bullwork
i replaced(more like i dont have)the chestplate for the zero F
smoky tapir
Razorback hard requires 4, IH, 2 of the bosses hard requires 2
hoary ridge
It’s like unbreakable but it gives it to ur whole team
hardy shell
well damm,i feel like a actual noob now
vagrant wing
exotic chest
muted kettle
45 seconds to be exact
smoky tapir
10s difference
smoky tapir
10s
muted kettle
^^
hoary ridge
Eh
crimson vale
If you are lower than 40 its going to be very hard for everybody. We did IH with my friend and he was like 200k armor and 40k primary weapon dmg. I had to help him kill rpgs. It has to be team who wana do it.
hoary ridge
Not really
smoky tapir
unbreakable is 55s CD for a "fullish" heal, tardi is a 45s CD for a blue armor "heal" that last for 10s
muted kettle
But it effects the whole team
hardy shell
But it effects the whole team
ohhhh
hardy shell
But it effects the whole team
but isnt it and a handful of exotics are locked behind the dlc?
icy hull
also tardi is BASE cd of 45s. can be zero second CD with resets.
@smoky tapir Tarid IIRC is WONY added
hardy shell
so it all boils down to me buying the dlc or not
hoary ridge
For tank build tardigrade because when ur low and spec all in armor regen ur not gonna notice the cool down
U will be healed by the time of the cool down
icy hull
tardigrade is much better on dps / backline support builds not tanks. tanks have vanguard which is better 😛
smoky tapir
^
icy hull
ah myb
hardy shell
tardigrade is much better on dps / backline support builds not tanks. tanks have...
vanguard has a CD of 25 sec?
icy hull
20 or 25s cant remember
smoky tapir
25s CD, 20s duration
icy hull
^^
hardy shell
it does give unbreakable shield for 5 sec which sounds neat to me
hoary ridge
It’s sometimes a life saver on legendary missions
smoky tapir
gives 45%/50% blue armor to all players when deployed
hardy shell
so my build is:4 foundry,perfect unbreakable,a backpack that give 10%pistol damage,and the liberty
is it good thou?
tawdry widget
No.
smoky tapir
back and chest have options depending on whats needed
muted kettle
I think that's okay but you have no team support so it's really not helping anyone
tawdry widget
You'll take forever to kill 1 add. Let alone 3 or 4.
smoky tapir
its not your main job to kill adds as a tank, its about support mostly
tawdry widget
Ah. Talking about a tank. Carry on.
hardy shell
i use it in solo
smoky tapir
chest you can go with vanguard and back you can do with either Adrenaline rush for self sustain, galvanize for more armor for the team or protector for armor
tawdry widget
Still not optimal, but ok.
muted kettle
@hardy shell just for clarification but do you have dlc?
hardy shell
the point is to become a lmb bullet sponge to drain the npc health
hardy shell
<@606360692148273154> just for clarification but do you have dlc?
no:(
hardy shell
chest you can go with vanguard and back you can do with either Adrenaline rush f...
galvanize is a talent or a exotic piece?
smoky tapir
back talent
Applying a Blind, Ensnare, Confuse, or Shock to an enemy grants 40% of your armor as bonus armor to you and all allies within 20m of that enemy for 10s.
tawdry widget
So, in that case, if you're going into a level 40 raid as a level 30, I suspect no one will put you in the tank position. Don't take that build.
hoary ridge
^
smoky tapir
really in IH, your not doing that much "Heavy" tanking
hoary ridge
Ur forever dps or being carried in lvl 40 raid
hardy shell
Applying a Blind, Ensnare, Confuse, or Shock to an enemy grants 40% of your armo...
sounds nice,but how im i suppose to create status effect if my only tool is flash,nades,riot foam?
hardy shell
So, in that case, if you're going into a level 40 raid as a level 30, I suspect ...
sounds fair
icy hull
actually because of scaling, level 30 tanks is the best build for them since armor scales to level 40.
tawdry widget
Hence my "No" earlier, did think you were still talking about going to do a lvl 40 raid as a lvl 30.
muted kettle
Use riot chem for galvanize
smoky tapir
^^^azur, tank is entirely viable as a 30 in a 40 group
hardy shell
Hence my "No" earlier, did think you were still talking about going to do a lvl ...
no i was just trying to do a raid
even a normal one is gonna make my day
smoky tapir
espically in IH
muted kettle
But you have no real team support as your tank
tawdry widget
"Normal" one is the one we all usually do. The other is Discovery.
smoky tapir
in IH, you generally run tank as support, not as full tank
icy hull
TLDR: best roles for level 30 in raid is Tank > Healer >>>> DPS. (because of how the scaling works).
crimson vale
This
hardy shell
"Normal" one is the one we all usually do. The other is Discovery.
well we only have 2 diffculties aye?
tawdry widget
@icy hull I can agree to that, but since he hasn't done any of it. I, personally, wouldn't give him Tank or Healer roles on his first attempt.
hardy shell
<@!146007866216677376> I can agree to that, but since he hasn't done any of it. ...
ok so what advise do you have for me?
icy hull
@tawdry widget Yup very true, those roles require more knowledge.
tawdry widget
DPS. 3x providence, 1x sombra, 1x contractor's, 1x fox prayers. M1A
icy hull
cant sombra as thats WONY