For me Kinetic Momentum is preferred over Overwatch as I don't have to stay in cover or do cover-to-cover to maintain the effect.
@west spruce I prefer overwatch to buff my team too since this build is pretty much useless
#td2-raid-discussions
vagrant wing
uneven garden
Idk if we could cover to cover from gen 3 to gen 4
vagrant wing
No you can't. You don't need to tho. If you're one shot the drones - your team probably won't need heals
uncut crypt
@cunning grotto try to grind up dps loadout in preperation for your next DH raid
you did well today 🙂
uneven garden
So 4 pc HW + wyvern chest with kinetic + BTSU with crossbow? @west spruce
west spruce
yeah, that's my main HW drone build
uneven garden
Thanks bro I’ll give it a try
How does Kinectic work eactaly
the description doesn’t really tell how much skill dmg boost
vagrant wing
As soon as you enter combat (i.e. jump down from the window) your talent generate stacks (max of 15% which equal to 15% skill dmg). When you use a skill you consume the stacks
uneven garden
RI difficulty is locked at manhunt.....is it bugged
won’t let me choose legendary
it’s Jupiter , cleared it years ago....
vagrant wing
Did you clear it on different char?
uneven garden
no same character bro.... I played it just yesterday
vagrant wing
hmmm don't know then. Sorry. Be mindful that on pc at least you need to press an additional button to switch it to the manhunt version. If you do press it - all you see is that manhunt version and nothing else. Obviously i don't know how it's look like on Xbox but is there any possibility it has the same configuration? and if so - did you press that button by accident?
vagrant wing
first manhunt. 3 months ago?
uneven garden
😬😬😬
faint igloo
Anyone got any advice got getting into a raid group as a first timer? IE whens best in the week usually or are there are regular groups that pick up first timers? Ive watched guides made notes and got builds, just looking for a team.
bold solstice
Hop into a few raid groups on the div2 discord, introduce yourself and sooner or later you'll find an experienced group that can carry you 😉
uneven garden
@faint igloo try find dabigkahuna on Xbox he is best
vagrant wing
he's on pc
uneven garden
Also Xbox then I guess he is running a discord that focuses on helping FTC. Like couple raids daily
no toxicity, patient, etc etc. decent team
tender hollow
For 3rd boss tank is hzp needed?
warm ibex
No tank for boss 3 needed just an option
hoary light
I just sometimes wish I could find people to carry me to EB lol
flint iris
Finding people to do dh with you is much easier
oblique patio
One people left for DH Raid
flint iris
@oblique patio use #lfg-raid-pc
oblique patio
@flint iris oh sry
tender hollow
One people left for DH Raid
@oblique patio maybe it was because there wasn't 2 people with crossbows, and the skill build guy decided that they didnt want to do a 30 phase razorback, because based on intuition the group would also wipe 2 times
tough garden
Hey guys, I've been playing div 2 for quite sometime but have never DH raid, can anybody tell me what build do I need, is a healer build needed?
cunning night
Probably all DPS is preferred, outside of a skill build to kill drones on Razorback
true barn
I haven't beaten razorback since level 40 hit
partially cause it takes like 12 damage phases
and it
is usually around 8-10 when we get the big die
normal mirage
12 damage phases?
uneven garden
That stressful
lunar hull
Shouldn't take that long
uneven garden
5-6 should be
uncut crypt
hi, can anyone guide me how to emp for RB, i have 4 piece HH and btsu gloves, im not sure what shuld i use for chest piece. I use perfect in sync for Rifle
specfically the procedure once the drones comes out
tender hollow
@uncut crypt since you have 4 piece HH with the backpack HH, whenever you use or cancel a skill, your other skill's cooldown is reduced by 30s and the Feedback Loop cooldown is 10s. As the Jammer Pulse cooldown is <20s, whenever you use or cancel your other skill, its like resetting it and you can use it immediately. So go anywhere in the open world, e.g. just outside the south gate of the Base of Operations, and just practise using the Jammer Pulse. Then drop your hive. Use the Jammer Pulse again. Pick up your hive. Drop your hive 10 seconds after you previously dropped your hive. Use Jammer Pulse again. etc. You also have the BTSU, so if your hive is not next to you, if you destroy/break your hive, it will reset the Jammer Pulse.
For the chest Stella has recommended using Wyvern chest with Kinetic Momentum and max skill damage, if your a Survivalist. Or you could use (perfect) glass canon. If you are a Technician, you have more options.
azure ruin
@uncut crypt I use hardwire + wyvern chest ( with skilled talent ) which has high chances of reset your cooldown for every pulse when you kill drones. most of the times, it instantly gives you your jammer back.. if not, just drop your hive and hardwire will do its job
oak sun
Anyone able to run the raid for eaglebearer? on pc
tough garden
What are the differences between normal and discovery raids?
amber blaze
@uncut crypt wyvern chest. Kinetic Momentum, Overwatch, Glass Cannon are good options.
@tough garden Discovery is a beginners tutorial raid. It has missing mechanics, easier npcs and no chest at the end for the eagle bearer.
IMO Discovery Raid teaches bad habits and it's better to jump into the Normal raid especially if you want to learn and get the exotic eagle bearer.
tough garden
Thanks a lot 
tender hollow
Discovery is like doing bank hq and federal bunker combined
Only time it’s useful it to learn enemy spawns
late scarab
Anyone got any advice got getting into a raid group as a first timer? IE whens best in the week usually or are there are regular groups that pick up first timers? Ive watched guides made notes and got builds, just looking for a team.
@faint igloo Tuesday evenings (USA time) and Saturdays/Sundays
faint igloo
Cheers Tycohh. I got it done yesterday evening and did a run this morning too to practice 🙂
devout kite
Weekends and sometimes even in the week, i usually always get some good people on at like 11-16 EET
Tbh it has been a long time since i got a team where we had a newbie in raids
faint igloo
The only bit that was catching me up was learning the strats for it compared to guides I watched but it wasnt bad at all. Razorback can be hectic at times but wasnt bad.
Havent done IH yet but ill have a go at that soon
oak sun
Anyone have an idea when a newbie can run the raid today or how to get in a group?
flint iris
Start lfging
And don’t expect to be carried
Watch vids and learn mechanics
There’s a raid lfg channel below that you can use
light root
What's the difference between the "Discovery" and "Normal" modes?
austere isle
Discovery is 10x easier and does not have all the normal mechanics in it
light root
ah, I figured the raid wouldn't be as easy as it was in matchmaking
Is medic actually viable, or does everyone need to be able to do damage?
austere isle
Depending on the part of the raid and who is in the team
plain echo
LFG DH RR1
worldly barn
LF7M RV6 DH Razorback please be exp add me on uplay fps_left-nut
icy hull
Better late than never. Use the correct channel for raid LFG next time @plain echo @worldly barn @keen dew
worldly barn
ok sorry @icy hull also any tips for making razorback runs faster and less deaths?
fast gulch
lfg fresh run 1st raid
icy hull
1-2 dps running Tardigrade/ vanguard dps builds helps a bunch, if needed :p @worldly barn
worldly barn
ok thanks
verbal mist
@fast gulch use lfg channel
flint iris
^^^
worldly barn
just curious is anyone willing to help for dark hours razorback?
flint iris
@worldly barn use the lfg channels below
worldly barn
kk
random rock
Any raid .? Xbox
icy hull
oak pelican
The server below this one @icy hull ???
icy hull
Yup, labeled XB1
tender hollow
non-HW EMP Skill build v2 - https://imgur.com/a/6ic2LUP
Need 6 skill core attributes even though Technician. You can run red or blue core on the holster. Pulse cooldown will be 11.3s if skill haste is maxed. Mine is now 11.5s.
icy hull
Dont "need 6" cores with tech, since just wasting a core and "7 yellow cores" has zero effect. Nice build though.
tender hollow
Dont "need 6" cores with tech, since just wasting a core and "7 yellow cores" has zero effect. Nice build though.
@icy hull I was running with 5 cores yesterday and for some reason missed some drones in 2 runs. So maybe like HW it got into a bugged state. I've swapped back to 6 cores just to be sure.
icy hull
You sure it wasn't gear rolls?
If not, then could be a raid bug QQ
Or group buffs being different
tender hollow
it was maxed with 92 skill damage. When I said missed, the missed drones were at full health, not almost dead. Definitely having weap dam so you can maybe solo chunga in a emergency would be better than 6 cores. I might experiment later.
icy hull
Hmm so either you completely missed those drones or just a raid bug? Hard to tell.
uneven garden
@tender hollow this happened to me and two reason I guess 1) some adds guy got aggro and pulled drones out of range 2) EMP too early
if we dmg RB fast, peeps start moving back to their spots before the 3 wave drone came out, so sometime they fly everywhere
BTW kinetic works perfect now use have survivalist and BTSU
flint iris
For some reason today, I was doing Razorback, one of my clannmates had the exact same drone killer build as me, but he had some skill dmg, I was somehow able to fully kill the drones while his pulse left then with a sliver of health
tender hollow
Lots of reasons including there might be there was a demolitionist in the same group as you but not for your clanmate, or maybe they do not have skill damage max out on their watch and/or in their tech build (skill damage and drones)
uneven garden
Yeah I heard a lot of different reason but it’s confusing. Some say you hold a weapon that has DTOC you get skill dmg boost
uneven garden
Yeah weird. I tried multiple variations lately with ppl help here THANKS
I am convinced that 85% skill dmg will leave a sliver of health
and that the kinetic build works
flint iris
well heres the even more weird thing
i had 82 skill dmg and i killed the drones fine, my teammates 85 skill dmg left them with a sliver of health
uneven garden
yup that so confusing. I see ppl with not maxed skill dmg and clear kill no issue
4 pc HW plus watch is 65%. Wyvern chest is 20%, and with kinetic it’s Gucci
tender hollow
maybe you are proccing HW (extra 10% skill damage) before the 1st wave of drones come out, and your clanmate isnt
uneven garden
yeah that could be if used heal
timing is also tricky. Usually after 1st wave you put down hive and jammer is back for 2nd wave
but occasionally there is 10s CD
tender hollow
timing is also tricky. Usually after 1st wave you put down hive and jammer is back for 2nd wave
@uneven garden this is why I like my build. no need to proc HW but bonus from Overwatch and also Opportunistic at times, which helps a team with lower dps, although the cooldown is about 1 second more
uneven garden
yup my skill dmg build has maxed haste and cool down is about 11s
But you know there is always someone in the team yelling DRONES DRONES
flint iris
No neither of use procced the hw buff before the first wave
No oc either
But you know there is always someone in the team yelling DRONES DRONES
@uneven garden so relatable lol, if it’s just one or 2 they expect me to jam it, but then can just shoot it out ¯_(ツ)_/¯
uneven garden
Fact.
dense vine
Does anyone have a striker build for IH
devout kite
Last week i was able to kill all drones with 85% skill damage all the time and this week when i played dh again i left most of the drones with 1hp or less
That was triggering as fuck coz we wiped for that
uneven garden
That’s annoying
fallen epoch
Do somebody has the checkpoint for the second and third boss of Iron Horse? If you can let me know so I can get it 😉
uneven garden
At Gray, how to get past the train and with that plug for key.
vagrant wing
Did you manage to kill him?
I assume you do. If so - you'll get 2 keys (1 from him, and one from a random add) you need to put these keys in the 2 generators. One located on the catwalk (where it splits) the other located next to the bid red warehouse looking building next to an ammo box @uneven garden
frigid estuary
Anybody down for operation dark hours?
uneven garden
Yeah I mean it seems you can get past the train without activating the 2 gens, plus you also get the other plug that comes off one of the WIFI.
I came across these in two runs, one guy did this and other 7 fast travel to him
vagrant wing
Yeah. If you wipe after the boss is dead - there's no need for the plugs. Is that what you meant?
uneven garden
no we didn’t wipe. .....
after killing gray I was running towards one of WIFI, and was asked to fast travel
vagrant wing
well unless he had the "open doors" bug i can't see how it can happened
west spruce
You can fast travel to bypass putting the plugs in to move the train too, you will spawn behind the train that allows you to move forward
vagrant wing
after you kill the boss you can fast travel to anyone? is that what you mean?
west spruce
clear the adds, then just fast travel, you will be able to move forward
vagrant wing
oh i didn't know that. Thx
uneven garden
Fast travel to who? @west spruce
vagrant wing
anyone
west spruce
pretty much anyone in your party it will spawn you ahead of the train
vagrant wing
i assume you'll still have to leave someone behind in case you want the first key?
uneven garden
so if everyone travel to player 1, they will spawn behind the train, then what about player 1?
vagrant wing
Travel to player 2 🙂
uneven garden
Like pingpong on two sides of that train
vagrant wing
You don't actually need to wait for anyone i think. You can all travel at once
silent cave
lfg - fresh IRON HORSE
little onyx
Does anyone have a striker build for IH
@dense vine I do
dense vine
@little onyx pieces? Or dm me screen shot
little onyx
DM’d
nova dew
How can I join or play a normal mode raid! I going after the eagle bearer but can never seem to get normal mode it’s always discovery !
vagrant wing
You can't matchmake for that. It'll probably best to find a group on the channel below and play with them (normal mode have no matchmaking. the leader has to invite you)
icy hull
@nova dew through the channels here or through PS4 groups or ps4 clan.
wooden condor
Have they done something to the adds on the raids like tripled their dose of steroids or something?
flint iris
No?
wooden condor
well I have never seen them move that fast before but nevermind
brittle cobalt
@wooden condor with a new raid IH release , Devs increased 1) NPCs argo 2)boomer heals faster 3) NPC can attack you across the map
tender hollow
any recommendations for a ih build? never done ih
cinder pilot
@tender hollow Have a Tank and Healer build ready. That raid requires those builds for certain roles unlike DH
Foundry Bulwark and Future Initiative are the best gearsets to start with
steel knoll
looking for someone that wants to be a raid leader. in my clan i have one raid lead US but also looking for a second leader UK time . so we can set up a UK team drop me a message if you would like this . You would have to join our clan
tender hollow
Foundry Bulwark and Future Initiative are the best gearsets to start with
thx ^^
late scarab
keep in mind that certain foundry bulwork and future initiative pieces only drop in IH, itself... ie, like chest and backpack of future initiative
tender hollow
Future Initiative gear set is awesome. you can even use for boss 1-3 in Dark Hours
smoky pebble
How does one organise and get invited into a raid group for division discord?
floral gale
@smoky pebble Look in LFG raid groups. Post if you're hosting or looking to join a group, then go from there.
icy hull
Wrong channel, use #lfg-raid-pc @floral gale
hoary light
I’m fucking pissed off. 2 dudes get two EB’s on their second clear, and I’m at my 7th clear and still didn’t get shit
how does rng even fucking work
before the reset I had 60 clears
and I just don’t get it
how and why
icy hull
simple, it rolls a number at random. and if it picks the correct number, then you get EB otherwise you dont.
smoky tapir
roll a 100 sided die, if its 1-10, you get EB, if not then you dont
hoary light
ik but the rng is just fucked up
granite nest
Alright folks anyone hosting a raid tonight??
flint iris
@granite nest use #578577794561474571
verbal mist
@hoary light 51 clears to get first eb . That was lvl 30
hoary light
it’s super frustrating when guys get it their second try and I can’t get it after 3 days of non stop farm
flint iris
Only 3 days?
hoary light
just got back after reset
smoky tapir
3 days, lol. some of us have tried for months
flint iris
Well that’s rng for ya
hoary light
yeah well
I think massive should’ve gone destiny way with raid exotics
Tie them to a quest
flint iris
Regulus :P
flint iris
I think it’s fine that they’re tied behind the raid
Gives an actual incentive to do em
smoky tapir
10% chance from the box, 1% from each boss
hoary light
10% from the box?
smoky tapir
yes
hoary light
guess I was wronged
smoky tapir
and even though the values arn't known for the Rav, its assumed to be the same
ive been storing regulus's up since its a free one every week per clear for the compoents to use on the new exotics in TU11
smoky tapir
i farmed it for months since DH came out, only finally got it at 40 and got it from the 1% boss drop instead of teh box
hoary light
my only hope is that someone drops it for me
smoky tapir
And this was a lot of the time in a group of 3 or 4 of us where we were going to share the drop if it did and nothing
best thing you can always do is just ask at the start if someone gets EB and they don't need it if you can get it from them
hoary light
that’s what I’m doing
shy glade
Does anyone know what the deal with doing the raids on here is, like after going on the raid voice channel with say 7 others, do you then have to add them as a friend on Uplay to play the raid with them or what?
shy glade
I just got told by someone else that you need to add them as a friend on uplay though @flint iris
flint iris
If they enable only friends can play with them yeah
shy glade
Ahhh i see, ok cheers bro
zealous spruce
would a headhunter build work in IH?
smoky tapir
boss 3 can get use out of it if your good at chaining headshots.
a good HH can keep the adds controlled in the final burn phase by one tapping everything
doesn't work on boss 2 as the timing can cause the buff to fall off between spawns
boss 1 can see "some" use on again add control
amber blaze
@smoky tapir even after the headhunter fix in tu11? 😛
flint iris
Boss one you wanna burn the boss anyway doe
smoky tapir
the shield adds still need killing due to the buff they provide the boss on damage reduction
deft ridge
What does rv mean in the lfg raid ?
smoky tapir
raid voice, the voice channels here in discord
deft ridge
thx
brittle cobalt
Raid voice
hoary light
I’m just fucking done
wasting my time on goddamn EB
4 am in the morning
everyone just left
my chances at getting EB just got fucked up again
hoary light
cuz that’s the only gun I really need atm
build stuff can be farmed relatively easily
and let’s just say that I’m bored
And got nothing else to do
signal lion
dh ?
tender hollow
everyone just left
@hoary light that is raiding with randoms. sometimes you luck out, sometimes everyone can run pgc.
heady ruin
does anyone know what is the drop rate of eagle bearer from dark hour bosses?
i am just wondering what is the drop rate from the boss and if it's worth it to do raid more than once a week since you can get multiple keys only from razorback boss in a week
i'm seeing conflicting info from google search. some said it's 1% chance per boss, others said 0.25% chance per boss
celest nebula
even as low as 0.1%
heady ruin
😦 i guess i should just do once a week
rigid quest
Thats what i use to do is once a week but now no one plays and i cant find a group so i cant really farm it but i do believe it is a 1% per boss and than 10% in Chest so in total once you have enough keys you have a 14% chance of getting it if you wanna look at the positive way. If you have a group of friends who 1) dont want it or 2) already have it and run it with them technically that raises your chances x however many people will give it to you
tranquil flume
After 120+ run of ih raid , Got my first dropped exotic from the 1st boss on the ih raid ...
late scarab
are they ever going to make a third raid?
amber blaze
Most likely no unless they had something they were working on during the delayed 2nd raid.
granite nest
Which raid is easier to try first?
night folio
Hey, I'm new on the discord and i think I just reached basegame endgame and I'm really looking forward to the raids. Do you guys think a (hopefully relatively) solid build with an ilvl of 498 would be enough to get started?
smoky tapir
its less about what the Gear score value is and more about what the gear actually is, you can have a 515 set and it will be complete garbage to someone wearing a build that is 490. And i can't speak on the level 30 scene or how active its raid scene is since most are 40 in WoNY
night folio
Ah alright... Well, see you after i'm done with WoNY then 😅
autumn turret
I mean Ive seen lvl 30's with 40s just gotta be upfront with them
hoary light
gosh... Why is it so hard for some people to just clear ads on raid
literally wasted 1 hour on razorback and still didn’t get him
the same guy kept fucking up
why the fuck can’t people just do it
and we did okay on dps part
gaunt grail
@hoary light running with the wrong crew we do dark hours in 25 or less fastest was 2 days ago at 20 mins 14 secs
Did Flawless iron horse 2 days in a row fastest time is 39 mins
Check my feed and you will see the screenshots of the leaderboards and commendation :) PRD FOR THE WIN
verbal mist
Got flawless last night and all ih raid commendations patch woot woot .
hoary light
guess I’ll get it myself then somehow
celest rain
Top of the morning
merry herald
Trying to get in a raid
icy hull
use LFG channels please
hoary light
man I’m gonna fall into depression at some point
this shit’s just not dropping
this is nuts
hoary light
of course I am opening it man!
I’m not dumb
did 9 runs in just 3 days
and didn’t get shit
most of the dudes I ran it with got the EB
tender hollow
Just keep trying. Maybe by January you’ll have one 😏
smoky tapir
well 9 runs is only 2 boxes and 4 possible enemy drops
tender hollow
And do it with people who are willing to drop it
hoary light
I’ve ran it with at least 2-3 people who could drop it
smoky tapir
bosses drops can only happen on first kill and the box after the first run takes 5 kills of the final boss to open again
tender hollow
Razorback can take 7 mins to complete if dps is there and you go back on plates
tender hollow
Fastest way to get 5 keys
hoary light
I know that
smoky tapir
9 runs is a very small number was more what i was saying due to how the drop works.
hoary light
well I ran around 50-60 before
tender hollow
How long did it take you to get that eb lol?
hoary light
Got it on 50th try
tender hollow
Well same things gonna happen again. Your not gonna instantly get it
Most people ik have got theirs before July
2019
smoky tapir
I spent months to get my first. Many months and it wasn't even from the box but from weasel.
RNG taketh and rng can givith as well, shes a fickle beast
tender hollow
Guess I’m pretty lucky with raid exotics. I get them pretty frequently
smoky tapir
rng payed me back with rav, got it on week 3
hoary light
god man
another razorback run and we couldn’t finish it
everyone was experienced
but something just went wrong
brisk mason
looking for Iron Horse raid fresh start ... exp here
looking for Iron Horse raid fresh start ... exp here
flint iris
@brisk mason use #lfg-raid-pc
tender hollow
Well if your experienced then surely you’d know where to lfg
Oh yeah chat cool down isn’t 1 min forget
brisk mason
Looking for exp Iron Horse RAID
flint iris
@brisk mason for the second time now, use the right channels
vagrant cypress
For dh can you do it over and over and still collect the keys and open the chest or is that a weekly thing?
flint iris
Keys reset on a weekly basis, the last boss always drops one key guarenteed @vagrant cypress
vagrant cypress
Ok thank you
zealous spruce
if i farm the final boss of IH, does she drop gear set items?
or just high ends and key?
flint iris
She has a chance
hoary light
This raid is being a bitch to me again
flint iris
Ok buddy
elfin stone
question.. IH raid is there like some easier rolls on bosses? like first boss ive done was easy seccond boss i was outside athe control room not that tricky but thats how long we came, so third and last boss do they have rolls with easier assigments on them
elfin stone
ah yeah
elfin stone
i was thinking more for me 🙂 easier to have something to start with
lunar flame
vagrant knoll
Is the Ravenous worth getting or EB better?
icy hull
Ravenous is quite a bit better TBH. EB is rather meh at least for pve
tame sage
question.. IH raid is there like some easier rolls on bosses? like first boss ive done was easy seccond boss i was outside athe control room not that tricky but thats how long we came, so third and last boss do they have rolls with easier assigments on them
@elfin stone our clan often take some random people. Usually we have 2-3 do-task guys, and all other are just pure dps from 1st to 4th bosses
so yeah, you can find at least 4 rly easy roles for your runs
you even dont have to describe them how raid works. Let them focus on npcs and forget about everything else
flint iris
It’s better if you do describe, kinda at least let them know some of the mechnics
It helps them and eases stress of your team
elfin stone
yeah thats good been watching the tacts on youtube but havent yet done more than first boss
tame sage
It helps them and eases stress of your team
@flint iris Give them idea of process - yes. But not overwhelm with tasks
tame sage
I think control room defend is easiest position in entire raid
only spot I can think, that easier than others
fluid crater
@frosty rock DH, clonerwesker is my ingame if you want to join
frosty rock
How many do you have?
fluid crater
3/8
frosty rock
wait, discovery or normal?
fluid crater
Normal
frosty rock
Are you on coms?
fluid crater
I can be
frosty rock
I meant the whole team haha
fluid crater
Oh, no
frosty rock
I'm gonna pass, sorry
fluid crater
¯_(ツ)_/¯
flint iris
@tame sage for the fieser encounter? Then yeah, that place is the easiest with no experience at all
fluid crater
@wooden fractal DH 7/8 if you want to join
flint iris
@karmic topaz wrong channel buddy, use #lfg-raid-pc
karmic topaz
@karmic topaz wrong channel buddy, use #lfg-raid-pc
@flint iris thanks
tender hollow
On 2nd boss the purples stop going for the power when the glass breaks. So healer should be running some armor regen until boss reaches tier 3 or so
If speed running, guy defending A side control room, he stays down at A side to read look at the code and tells other A side guy then he runs back up
winter belfry
@vagrant knoll dont kill a NPC with a headshot with the EB on higher difficulty, tenacity = a double edged sword
@tender hollow but some ppl manage on boss 2 not to break the glass at all how?
vagrant wing
dont kill a NPC with a headshot with the EB on higher difficulty, tenacity = a double edged sword
Shooting hs most of the time is a really good idea. Including this one, just be ware and don't try to face tank enemies you can't beat
but some ppl manage on boss 2 not to break the glass at all how?
If you keep someone in the heat chamber at all times he won't break the glass until you pour the water
vagrant wing
90% and above is good enough. Fire immunity threshold is 91.something if i remember correctly
winter belfry
threshold can be different for status effect and HZP or is everything at a threshold of 91? before it was like 86% for fire, tried that one with the fire launcher
but you still can pick up the rocket as HZP or does the AI count that as leaving the chamber
tender hollow
Hzp does nothing. It just stops you going on fire. It’s the extreme heat that kills
vagrant wing
I don't think i understood you fully. Anywho according to a reddit post (i forgot the guy's name so can't give credit sadly) there're different threshold for different SE. Threshold means - if you reach that value you're immune to the SE
tender hollow
Being at 250° heat is surely to kill
winter belfry
tried it with the fire launcher the threshold was before TU 10 86%
vagrant wing
tried it with the fire launcher the threshold was before TU 10 86%
they changed it then
winter belfry
thank you
vagrant wing
NotMiller is right btw. Even when you reach fire immunity - you'll still take dmg. You need some sort of armor regen to counter that (when the boss has 5 stacks it becomes really hard to counter - you need a healer with you)
late scarab
does hazard protection reduce how much damage you take in the control room?
vagrant wing
Not really. It reduces the time you stays on fire after you catch it. Since you're constantly on fire when you reach 100 stacks - it won't help you at all. Unless ofc you reach fire immunity which is a whole different story
when i said fire - i meant any status effect
late scarab
ok
vagrant wing
Look 3 msgs above @late scarab too
dapper gyro
Yup, hazpro only prevents some of the damage by shortening the time the status has an effect on you.
Tried all kind of combos in there (control room), even 100 hazpro won't do you much good once you're at 100 stacks.
Best combo I found so far is 50% hazpro with 10 or 15ķ armor regen, this way I don't need to bother with healing up until 60 or 70 stacks or so. And after 100 stacks it's a bit more forgiving.
tender hollow
hi, anyone know if raid key farming still possible?
vagrant wing
It is. The last boss drop a key every time you beat it
tender hollow
Not sure why 3rd boss is hard for people
Have 1 going up top, 1 healer, 1 cc and rest dps. See any ads kill them
flint iris
Cause some ppl don’t know how to aim at the shoulder pads
tender hollow
Do the 3 diagnostics, guy gets ready to go up top in case it’s fire, do that then remaining diagnostics, do pacman, open them all up, immune boss, release lava, do alphabet and destroy both boss turrets, destroy the 3rd then riot foam him when he drops down, have one guy with oxidiser to weaken his backpack, one guy gets key, goes up top and 3 others go to each diagnostic station and stops it
Not that hard. And people don’t know what to do when it’s fire, find a valve and see if fire leaks. Fire phase isn’t broken just the brains of people
vagrant wing
@tender hollow no offense really - but that's sound like patronizing to me. Most guys don't have optimized builds, know what they are doing or in some case need a reminder every now and then what to do on a certain phase. Granted it's not ideal, far from it - but it is what it is. Stating that "i don't understand why ppl find it hard" is somewhat unhelpful. And again no offense whatsoever
tender hollow
My team says do x and people don’t listen. They just run around hoping a miracle would happen
vagrant wing
This will become a discussion on the human nature pretty fast and i don't want to go there honestly. By the looks of it - you're one of the experienced guys here - it's your job to remined them. If they are not listening - remind them again, and again (kindly or not - that's your choice, i know i'm loosing it after a while🙂 ). All of it apply ofc when LFG and not with your fixed group - that's the way i see it
tender hollow
The more DPS the team has the easier it is and it can be very very easy, the less DPS the team has the harder it is and it can be very very hard.
verbal mist
Yeah I’m not sure I agree on the boss 3 is easy statement . Have over 30O lvl dh clears and now 65 or so ih clears and the mechanics to learn boss 3 weren’t easy .
It works now with our group but could see where groups would struggle on it
late scarab
Literal 9 lines of text describing steps, "guys, it's not that hard." IH is easy--after everyone has done it several times, that is
😆
weary niche
Third boss is a lot luck based majority of times, and the problem usually is that no one puts people in positions, so people run around, if you example have 1 guy on blue, 1 on red and 1 yellow, then you don't have ads running around, the thing with red valves is that if the diagnostics guy is ready instantly up, you don't need to find the valves at all, so you will save yourself that struggle
smoky tapir
i wouldn't say 3rd boss is luck based really since super rushing the fight doesn't change much and you get about the same amount of time to kill the boss in the burn phase and to put the key/buttons to finish
difference is about 90s from a near full pressure bar to a near empty pressure bar when its locked after the valves and the final phase is always like 25s
weary niche
Okay sorry, let me fix myself, it depends of you wanna do it really fast example below 6min, the. It's luck based. But if you just wanna complete it, you just need everyone on right spot and good enough dps. What you can instantly do is get stuck boss on second floor and destroy his backback, then you can kill him on second floor instantly and key drops on you
tender hollow
@weary niche you tried that recently?
We once killed the boss up there and key spawned there too
It would’ve been a nice 7 min boss clear tho
weary niche
I think what happened to you is extremely rare bug, if he start jumping down and you kill him exactly that time, key will drop mid air, but it's like below 1% that you will manage it
tender hollow
No lol he was up there on the platform. His key dropped up there too
weary niche
Haven't happened to us, we just did it 3 times yesterday
tender hollow
Think they fixed it then. Happened to us last month or so
jolly spire
for IH 3rd boss, on cogs, do they both run clock-wise? How many ticks are there on the dial?
smoky tapir
8 ticks, and if i remember, left runs clockwise, right runs counter clockwise
jolly spire
8 ticks is 360?
smoky tapir
ya 8
jolly spire
how do you know when it transitions to the cog phase?
after you hit all 3 panels, there were times where we had to tag the panels again if it was fire.
smoky tapir
transitions after 3 phases
after each effect happens once, cog phase starts (which you can still do diagnositcs but require 1 cog done to continue doing them
vagrant wing
Its 12 ticks afaik. And yeah transition after 3 phases which are 4 diagnostics presses
late scarab
Vit_type_GSR is referencing the purge mechanic where you have to do fire again
smoky tapir
you sure its 12, it feels much much shorter then 12
has each of the cardinal directions (N, S, E, W) and the sub cardinals (NW, NE, SW, SE)
granted its been while since ive done it from the front (im usually soloing em)
dapper gyro
Yup it's def 12, 3 per quarter, I usually call get ready 3 before and stop 2 before.
viscid dove
@smoky tapir its 12 ticks for a full rotation but the cog numbers are always between 5 and 9
round thorn
anyone know if raid blue prints only drops after 1st clear every week ?
round thorn
@flint iris nice thanks
flint iris
@dull perch use the raid channels below
dapper gyro
Not so sure about the blueprints, afaik it's considered boss loot and only drops the first run each week. Pretty sure that's how it was with DH, though didn't keep an eye on it with IH.
flint iris
@dapper gyro keep in mind ih blueprints are from the projects 😛, you might be right abt the first run each week part tho.
celest nebula
i mean you can try your luck in the boxes
dapper gyro
Oh true, forgot we got the blueprints in IH from the projects 🤦♂️
Shows how much i don't care about/ignore any drops these days so I dunno what's what anymore 🤣
brisk mason
looking for Iron Horse raid exp only pls
icy hull
wrong channel, please use the LFraid channels @brisk mason
fluid crater
Razerback is mean :c
flint iris
It’s eh
tender hollow
If you’ve got good headsets and audio you can tell when to stop using valves for pac man
weary niche
If you do it by listening the ticks you don't, but if you count them it's twice as fast
It is yeah, we usually have 3 people doing them, so all three are done below 10 seconds
uneven snow
Hi:
Please advise whether I can join a raid group but my laptop microphone is spoilt
civic turret
Well without a good working mic it is gonna be harder to find ppl but its possible so GL ✌️
late scarab
We're living in a pandemic where many people are working from home and meeting family via Zoom. Everyone here should have a mic
jolly spire
For IH boss, when can guys guarding electric boxes upstairs come down? Crucible hits 100%?
normal mirage
when the doors close, you can go down
unique willow
So anyone Anyone up for a raid
unique willow
Ok cool
placid axle
where do i send link?
unique willow
U on pc
placid axle
ye
coarse falcon
I want to do a raid but i came back 5 days ago
so ill need to be reminded for some stuff
unique willow
Any XBOX players Willing to help with a raid
torn plover
any1 up for dark hours on normal
flint iris
@torn plover use the raid channels
torn plover
@flint iris thx bro
tender hollow
What is the best 3rd attribute for a LMG like Sleipnir for Boss 4 Iron Horse?
flint iris
I mean, it’s either dta or dth right?
tender hollow
I mean, it’s either dta or dth right?
@flint iris Thanks. I guess dth effects the guns on the train, but dta doesnt.
tender hollow
Ok. Makes sense. 👍
regal nebula
yes
late river
anyone know why the Iron Horse Raid isn't working? it only gives me the prompt to start a private raid.
DM me if you know, thanks.
tidal wedge
I've never done a raid before. Anyone wanna give tips or builds that would work
late scarab
most of the team members in the dark hours raid is just all red DPS... dark hours raid is more about coordination
maybe don't bring perfect glass cannon, as that might be a little too paperthin. I think believe negotiator's dilemma has a bug with the raid...
tender hollow
maybe don't bring perfect glass cannon, as that might be a little too paperthin. I think believe negotiator's dilemma has a bug with the raid...
@late scarab I've used it Negotiators for Boss 1 DH, and Boss 1, 2 and 3 IH. Not sure if they have fixed it for the last boss for both DH and IH, but its not really the best build to use for them anyway.
celest vale
Do i need to wait until next week for the Regulus parts? already cleared IH this week, so i was wondering if that interferred with it at all
flint iris
Yes
celest vale
thanks for the heads up
dapper gyro
Once you finished the projects you can get the parts with every of your toons.
So if you have another character who didn't finish the raid this week then you can try to run it with this toon and the parts might already drop.
night saffron
Guys clarify one thing for me pls: do I have unlimited EB/ravenous chances from the box or only one per week even if I have enough keys?
elfin spoke
are the "raid keys" or are the the ones from the sewers?
tender hollow
From the raid itself @elfin spoke
elfin spoke
ohh ok cheers
livid nacelle
What does RV11 mean?
flint iris
Raid voice channel
livid nacelle
why the 11 tho 😄
gritty sleet
If i have a bunch of "main missions" on my map and i complete them, can i somehow make them dissapear from the map?
valid marlin
@gritty sleet This is a channel for raid discussions, next time use #ask-td2-community But no, you can't make them disappear, the icons will stay on the map.
uneven garden
looking for information about dmg tick in the control room
Wondering if armor regen can outheal
austere isle
It's safer just to run a healer
vagrant wing
Wondering if armor regen can outheal
@uneven garden depends on boss stacks. If i remember correctly according to the PDF every stack give him 30% dmg. from my exp with a build that maximize armor regen (3% armor regen + armor regen on 5 gear pieces) i can outheal stacks 1-3
celest nebula
in control you'd better off be a healer but if you're in the furnance armor regen can buy you a bit of grace time if you're late to realize your fire stacks
dapper gyro
Armor regen can help in the beginning, think i don't need any healing until 60 or 70 stacks in there (or however you wanna call it, not the boss stacks, but the stacks going up to 100 in your info box). Just some hazpro and some basic armor regen and I can do the first few codes without heals.
flint iris
@tender hollow use #lfg-raid-pc
turbid knot
Solo looking for raid group
flint iris
@turbid knot use the raid channels below
still sky
when skyscrapper will be released
smoky tapir
tomorrow and wrong place to post this really
still sky
sorry mate and thanks
tender hollow
Pretty funny how an overcharged shield breaks when you get targeted my morzova when she’s at 7 tiers
Even a shield at 14 mill health
hoary light
@tender hollow morozova*
what’s up with you guys calling her morzova like cmon bruh smh
weary niche
99% can't even pronounce that russian name correctly.....just saying....
tender hollow
Eh don’t care on how I say her name
tender hollow
mor o zov a
hoary light
mo ro zo va
summer girder
Can't wait to run discovery iron horse with my Ravenous
weary niche
Lately second boss Is starting to bug out, I think started after last maintenance. Pretty much you could instantly start shooting tank, when molten lava was starting to pour, now you have to wait after it has been fully poured, maybe it was some stealth nerf :( hopefully one of the Devs can say it in future if it was intended or not
tender hollow
Shooting tank as in train with the water or something else I’m missing?
flint iris
So basically
warped violet
What happens during the water cannon phase?
flint iris
During the water phase
smoky tapir
lets bend3n explain 😛
flint iris
Ppl pull water valves
warped violet
Yeh
flint iris
Until it’s at at least 85 I think?
smoky tapir
80-85
wary moat
yeah
warped violet
What happens then?
flint iris
Or else you gotta restart again
wary moat
it will reset
smoky tapir
if its above 85 it will drop extremely quickly when its pulled
warped violet
Oh
flint iris
Then you go inside the room to shoot water at the cannon
smoky tapir
if its between 80-85 you will get about 25-30second of water pressure
flint iris
After the water phase finishes it’s just dps after that
warped violet
What’s the build up to the water phase, if no one goes in boss room?
smoky tapir
yup its used to basically kill the tank in teh back that stops feiser from healing and the wipe mechanic
tender hollow
If you got the ravenous and strong armor regen you can stay in the boss room for a long time
Keep stacking defensive stacks and use vanguard
smoky tapir
if no one is in the boss room, he blows up the glass of teh control room and locks them in
tender hollow
On 2nd boss
smoky tapir
which is where the healer comes from, you just let that happen
tribal mountain
If you tank the boss the whole time, the control room glass doesn't break.
tender hollow
When the glass breaks the 2 upstairs can go down and deal with ads
warped violet
Ah
smoky tapir
actually they cannot anymore miller, the adds can still pull the power now
wary moat
yup but dealing with big guy and purple trying to turn off the controll room is annoying lol
smoky tapir
less chance but still can
warped violet
I thought there was something about weak points people have to destroy for the crucible to move?
tribal mountain
I believe speed runners, use a tank and haz pro build in with him to beat him down.
tender hollow
Watched a mate do speed run and he stayed in boss room whole time
smoky tapir
well you can't be in there the "whole" time due to the monoxide explosions
tender hollow
He had a dps guy from A run in and stop the explosion
warped violet
The what explosions
smoky tapir
how do you stop the explosions, they are on a periodioc time frame
wary moat
I thought there was something about weak points people have to destroy for the crucible to move?
@warped violet the purpose of crucible is to be filled with molten lava by doing 5 codes, and moving it and breaking the weakpoint to get it near the cannon(which is the wipe mechanic and need 2 rpgs to cancel) and pour the molten lava onto it and cool it down with water is the objective
warped violet
Ah
tender hollow
When you feel as if the boss is gonna do explosion just have a dps guy run in and hopefully do stop it
warped violet
Ok I think I got it now
wary moat
and its a matter on how the team work together to achieve it
tender hollow
Ask @weary niche he does speed runs everyday and knows more
smoky tapir
didn't even know you "could" stop the monoxide explosion
flint iris
Shoot the bag
warped violet
Ok, now the furnace
smoky tapir
thought of it as a movement check for the fight if done right
flint iris
Red weak point
tribal mountain
Yeah we spent ages doing it the first 2 days.
smoky tapir
ah, shows how ive never done the fight the "right" way
wary moat
yeah speedrunners can skip the water pressure
flint iris
It does it on a schedual regardless of where you’re at with the crucible filling
warped violet
I kinda need like, a full explanation on the furnace boss
tender hollow
Shoot his backpack and it’ll stop. Maybe have something like DTOOC and boomerang to speed it up
wary moat
fieser if not distracted will break the heat shield(window) of control toom
tender hollow
3rd boss was a pain. On fire phase my team thought you had to press down all red valves
vagrant wing
well you can't be in there the "whole" time due to the monoxide explosions
@smoky tapir You can. You just die and let your revive hive pick you up. That's currently the fastest way to do it
flint iris
I still don’t really understand fire phase lol
smoky tapir
true, revive and get the BTSU proc to reset
tender hollow
That took us around 3hrs to complete first time. Wipe after wipe but getting closer to end
wary moat
some team leave 1 player keep shooting at him and shoot that red weakpoint to stop the aoe
tender hollow
Whatever red valve has fire coming out of you hold it down, guy goes up top for diagnostic, guy at red presses it and guy at valve lets it go
vagrant wing
true, revive and get the BTSU proc to reset
@smoky tapir no need. for a speedrun that is
wary moat
thank god, you only need 1 red valve
tender hollow
Did a run on Sunday and we didn’t need a tank or cc. Just overcharged decoys
wary moat
7 dps and a healer?
warped violet
What are the “phases” of Fieser?
wary moat
ballsy team
warped violet
I never really looked at bosses in phases so I have no idea what people are talking about
tender hollow
Then everyone goes for boss, when he dies 2 ppl go to each diagnostic station
And other 1 go round clearing ads
smoky tapir
heh i remember when people though you had to push the buttons at the same time on williams
wary moat
@warped violet 1st phase is 5 codes/fill crucible with molten lava
2nd phase and moving crucible/break weakpoint
3rd is water phase
4th is boss dps
flint iris
There’s the crucible filling phase, water phase, and dps phase
smoky tapir
could add a crucible moving phase
vagrant wing
Whatever red valve has fire coming out of you hold it down, guy goes up top for diagnostic, guy at red presses it and guy at valve lets it go
@tender hollow You can cheese it. If your diangnostic guy manage to press the button before the fire starts you can press the station immediately . no need to search for the valve
tender hollow
Yeah that’s what my team does. When it’s with randoms they don’t know about the secret
wary moat
i heard about that, ignore fire and one person holding diagnostic getting roasted lol
smoky tapir
i think the only time you "got to hold" the diagnosic button is teh blue phase
wary moat
healer can just shoot chem heal under that player
vagrant wing
i think the only time you "got to hold" the diagnosic button is teh blue phase
Yellow too
tender hollow
1st phase destroy bullet and all turret weakpoints
2nd phase destroy bullet then dps her
3rd phase exactly same as 2nd phase
4th phase kill heavies and it’ll destroy 50% of IH, when the carriage for earth shaker is destroyed you dps her
Then kill her and shoot RPG at bullet
@warped violet
smoky tapir
iv found you dont have to hold the yellow phase as ive been able to hit it, then check the 3rd floor for sparks just fine
flint iris
Always prioritize the bullet before everything
wary moat
bullet is that big ass shell of a bullet getting load in to "earthshaker" cannon
if not break, is a wipe
tender hollow
If she’s going down make sure to stagger her before making her found immune
smoky tapir
havently fully tested but i think the yellow phase you have a timer of it showing sparks and you reset the timer via diagnositc
tender hollow
Had to solo kill her other day cause she went down and all 7 went died
smoky tapir
but i do know its not required to hold it the entire time
vagrant wing
You have a short period of time to hit a box after leaving the button (same for everything - fire, pressure, electricity) but there isn't enough time to get all 3 boxes by the same player @smoky tapir
warped violet
Wait, killing the heavies do damage to IH?
tender hollow
Was not a fun time lol
wary moat
Had to solo kill her other day cause she went down and all 7 went died
@tender hollow last phase?
flint iris
No sharko
tender hollow
Yeah
warped violet
Oh
wary moat
lmfao, for some reason last phase can be chaotic haha
smoky tapir
IH phase starts chaotic and gets simple as it goes on
tender hollow
Last phase she went down to RPG, went immune, team relaxed for couple secs then all went down lol
warped violet
Seems like it starts simple goes chaotic and goes simple again
wary moat
its either die during the 4th phase with green lasers and adds hitting you and it downhill from there
tender hollow
And my healer build is upto point cause it kept me alive then
tender hollow
The green lasers are ruthless asf. Instead of just downing you they make you unconscious and lose a revive token
tender hollow
My team only the healer and tank can stagger her if she’s at low armor
wary moat
Seems like it starts simple goes chaotic and goes simple again
@warped violet boss 4 is easiest of all bosses
tender hollow
If you revive your own unconscious ass or someone else you lose a revive kit
wary moat
yup
tender hollow
But if your unconscious and blue screen you stay at the boss not at the beginning lol
wary moat
lmfao
warped violet
Grey looked the simplest to me
wary moat
i havent had any bluescreen as of lte
tender hollow
Happened on razorback and Williams, both times my hive just picked me up
wary moat
@warped violet actually youre right, 2nd easiest boss
tender hollow
LT gray is hard if people miss killing the purples with sweet dreams
And on top of that healer doesn’t give overcharge
smoky tapir
ya Gray has a mechanic where if any shield guys are alive, he takes less damage from all sources. if the shield guys stay dead, hes simple
tender hollow
My team we have 6 dps, 1 healer and 1 mortar build. All wear spotter chest piece and one used tac drone to pulse
warped violet
When does Grey start getting his blue armour bars?
wary moat
it has interval
wary moat
he keeps using his heal in every few secs
yup make sure its red so it not a buffed heal
tender hollow
Mortar is used do kill gray, we have 3 sweet dreams people and 1 BK user weakening his BP
warped violet
Why can’t we get blue chem smh
smoky tapir
ya the backpack "boosts" the heal value so when its shut off, the heal is smaller and more managable. but you cannot stop the blue bar heal in general
tender hollow
Spotter is a better talent than anything else on gray when using overcharge. 30% amplified dmg right there
wary moat
Mortar is used do kill gray, we have 3 sweet dreams people and 1 BK user weakening his BP
@tender hollow this setup need a huge burst to kill gray, if this prolonged it could be a problem
how long is sandman buff cooldown?
15 secs?
smoky tapir
ya gonna make me look it up
smoky tapir
yup 15
wary moat
tbh mortar can kill purple shielders too, i think mortar is the safety net
tender hollow
But that takes longer. Better using 3 sweet dreams
humble solar
Spotter is a better talent than anything else on gray when using overcharge. 30% amplified dmg right there
@tender hollow including focus 🤔?
warped violet
Mortar??
wary moat
@tender hollow i mean during 15s cooldown
tender hollow
No need for focus. Gaining max stacks is a bit long
Once the purples are dead they swap to m1a’s and kill him with it
humble solar
Oh yea nvm you guys have sweet dreams.
tender hollow
But you can run headhunter but gotta kill a shotgunner or something like that
humble solar
We regulus the shield guys and the other 6 dps guys already have thier focus fully procced to kill him
wary moat
gray dead in like 15 secs anyway
warped violet
Ur dead in like 15 secs anyway
wary moat
no sharko
warped violet
Yes Sharko
flint iris
We being serious
humble solar
15sec vs 5sec. Big difference when you keep saving 10secs at every checkpoint.
tender hollow
With a normal group it takes few secs. With randoms it takes ages
flint iris
My group uses all oxidizer
warped violet
Hmm, I should find a regular raid group
humble solar
Lol everyone use oxidizer. Id be out
flint iris
Mhm
Which is why we don’t use that for speed runs
On a Normal raid we use dps to clear adds then switch
tender hollow
We used to use oxidiser but got rid of the ones who suggested it from clan
wary moat
yeah speedrunners use almost same builds
tender hollow
Once boss it dead you can wipe and all ads are dead
wary moat
wiping is faster lol
humble solar
Been awhile since I've done a normal run, ill dick around with some oxy's
wary moat
hah! you run with erny?
humble solar
I have, but right now he's in a different group in the mornings.
wary moat
ohhh, i havent really run full speedrun yet, getting ideas from anyone
oh we know swan
humble solar
Swan aint bad either, but he has a regular team. Sometimes they speed, but mostly just Efficient clears
wary moat
doing it with same players is hard lol
tender hollow
Only done IH with him from esg. Played with erny once but that was DH
humble solar
Couldnt get schedulea down with guys i speed ran DH with, so grabbed a bunch of scrubs and taught them for 3 weekends and they're about sub 40 now.
tender hollow
Haven’t done IH with my proper normal group for ages cause that’s how boring the game is
humble solar
They aint got ssd's lol its a pain
tender hollow
Yeah
wary moat
They aint got ssd's lol its a pain
@humble solar lol ouch
tender hollow
Always 2 or 3 randoms. Only get upto 2nd boss cause they can’t read codes off panels
wary moat
i can feel the pressure of running with randoms
humble solar
Get some guys together on a schedule and ill help out
tender hollow
And if dps was weak on 1st boss no way we were getting past 3rd boss
wary moat
@humble solar normally we need inputs about builds
wary moat
i run with Tang's and theyve been to sub50 while i didnt make on sched
humble solar
Send a fr, and whenever yall runnin, or prepping builds, or figuring placements, ill hop in and help out
wary moat
will do! @humble solar
tender hollow
How big is esg?
humble solar
Lol idk, i only joined so i have another discord also to mess with erny and some others. I dont play with ESG guys, for the most part.
tender hollow
@wary moat? How big is esg?
wary moat
@tender hollow we have like 8 clans altogether, discord is pretty active and help each other out
tender hollow
Lol wonder if they’ll let me back in. Was part of them twice and left
wary moat
i dont think they keep a tab unless bad blood
tender hollow
Both times I was with esg was with RSP
wary moat
i know some RSP players
warped violet
Raid voice
foggy dew
Need 1 for fresh IH
flint iris
@foggy dew use them lfg channels below
weary niche
On second boss tank is in whole fight, just when the first pulse comes, he goes in on A side for a second and that's all. Second pulse won't happen when you are fast enough.
weary niche
But as speedruns going, all the teams are really scattered really on PS4, the main teams are gone, atleast who where fighting to get top 3-5, example Erny runs now DPS on my team of course I think he speedruns with his own team, but I don't think as much
uncut crypt
is it me, or is our shd tech watch not showing anything
summer girder
lol people are already stuck on boss 2 in discovery
tender hollow
Lol no way ppl getting past that
tender hollow
What are the boss 2 Discovery mechanics?
So you can just enter the furnace by walking up to the doors and they open for you.
Boss 2 Discovery is impossible with matchmaking. One group was stuck there on boss 2 for more than 2 hours. Imagine you got 4 to 6 players, because they go into the furnace as soon as the group wipes, and none of them know about the codes.
restive herald
Does discovery mode have all the mechanics as in normal mode?
tender hollow
Lol if ppl are stuck on 2nd boss in easy mode imagine the real version and they expect people to bring them though raid without watching vids or so
smoky tapir
heh, wonder what the mechanics are
frosty rock
@restive herald I haven't played discovery IH yet, but I'm sure the mechanics are much different just as they are in discovery DH
sweet summit
Discovery is out for IH
Do I need to do the normal raid first though if I want the gearset blue prints?
flint iris
Yes
sweet summit
Ahh
bronze wedge
does someone are looking for raid 1 ?
flint iris
@bronze wedge use #lfg-raid-pc
sweet summit
Still having difficulties finding a group but its harder now since school started
flint iris
👍
sweet summit
I mean I think I have a decent healing building for it but I'm still trying to make a hazard protection tank one
flint iris
You’re gonna need more than those
sweet summit
Ahh, what would I need?
flint iris
Dps, normal tank, cc, skill
tawdry island
if it was good enough for dh it is good enough for ih
fiery fox
bet ty
novel quarry
I havent done the raids before and not sure what to build for them
severe walrus
u build happiness my son
old jay
im looking for a raid group (normal mode) so i can get the eagle bearer
message me if somebody in intrensted
interested*
coral gulch
@novel quarry see the pinned message on build advice
amber bronze
i wouldnt spend that much time in discovery, its to learn what ih is but it has half of it mechanics and exlusive gear brand pieces and exotics are locked
smoky tapir
i havent had a chance to see the mechanics o f it yet
vagrant wing
Has anyone successfully done an IH discovery?
@tender hollow kinda yeah. Although ppl don't understand what "don't shoot the boss" means
vagrant wing
mechanic wise morozova has the same mechanics as normal. Kill heavies to get the keys, all 4 phases, red shell wipe mechanic, morozova rockets and airstrikes. It just that the health pool of the NPCs (and the train/turrets) are lower. With that being said - considering i was matchedmake with 2 lvl 30 last night it might not be accurate https://forums.ubisoft.com/showthread.php/2272490-Known-Issues-Title-Update-11-Updated-15-48-CEST-September-21
sage matrix
Which channel to we go to, to find a team for Summit?
analog flax
tender hollow
What exotics come from IH
vagrant wing
The Ravenous - Exotic rifle
icy hull
and the pistol too
fiery fox
When do the Raid chests and keys reset?
smoky tapir
keys are every teusday, chest is resetable anytime
fiery fox
Aight ty
tender hollow
Hello I want to do the raid op dark hours normal but I'm solo someone has a place for me this Friday at p.m please answer me in private message
icy hull
@tender hollow fyi that belongs in the #lfg-raid-console
sacred stone
Skip the IH discovery with randoms, same freaking thing as DH running around and this is why we did not want another discovery.
worthy lotus
I would dare say not even another Raid, at all. At least one that's required for a Trophy.
sacred stone
This was horrible 3 people inside and 5 up with me in the control room all running around
worthy lotus
Because Ubisoft hates trophy hunters.. I just wanna get this dumb Raid done, in a Team of 8 players who know what they're doing. So, my game is at 100% completion, then.
worthy lotus
Amen to that!
proper tartan
I've tried to matchmake for ih discovery 10x now and all have been in the 3rd boss already
amber blaze
lol so they haven't learnt anything from DH Discovery?
You'd mm and if people were already at a Boss you'd be stuck twiddling your thumbs at the beach.
It should just teleport you inside the encounter
vagrant wing
Playing with fingers is the best play there is
tender hollow
Funny how when you MM for a discovery you find a match but setting up one and MM you find no one
cosmic vault
so is the new raid easyer now and is the old raid still so hard to do ?
vagrant wing
Where did you get that odea from? No. IH is much harder and need more coordination to complete
minor pine
they are both pretty straighforward by now
amber blaze
Do both raids enough times and they become easy, but just familiarize yourself with IH because it requires more coordination and teamplay if you want things to go smooth.
cosmic vault
okey so would be nice to find a group while wait fo rthe game to come alive
signal ravine
what builds do you have?
if you are new to the raid your team will probably just assign you to add clearing so the demand on you is minimal
vagrant wing
No @cosmic vault . They didn't nerf anything on the any of the raids as far as i know. If any they buffed the drones on razorback back when TU 10 was introduced
harsh birch
Is there anyone have free slot for me to learn DH? New to raid here, but already watch the videos several times to learn key mechanic, 140-ish SHD with AR chd chc build
viscid fossil
level 30 or 40?
uncut crypt
answer carefully, @viscid fossil is the gate keeper xD
viscid fossil
the gates is always open though
uncut crypt
good
we had those there were below 40 and joined raids
they can handle their own, but its best to be 40
harsh birch
oh, i was confused for a while there
well, just moved from dest2, lol
there is many good raid there, but its been stuck like that for long so wanna try find other fun game and here i am
late scarab
my group would take you... just not sure when the next time we raid is... maybe Saturday
boreal thunder
What's up
next timber
turbid kayak
group voice 3 if anyone wants to join the summit
paper crane
jesus christ why don't people listen
blazing trellis
How long do the raids usually take?
paper crane
gah keep getting boss 2 now, was on final
flint iris
With a exp team ih around an hr or less and dh 30-40 minutes
blazing trellis
Thanks for the answer, much appreciated 🙂
paper crane
jesus, I've spent probably 7-8 hours or more on IH (last 2 bosses between it) and not completed one
dammit, why did I have to leave and join a new raid - now I can't get back to final
finally
harsh birch
my group would take you... just not sure when the next time we raid is... maybe Saturday
@late scarab i will join if my time is match
unkempt bear
Hello guys, Can someone help me to get the EB?
surreal dome
Anybody that can help me with raid to get EB? Just got back into the game, not a noob, but just haven’t done any raids yet
icy hull
those LFG would belong in Raid LFG channels <----
surreal dome
Yea, I’m an idiot, I saw that under raid discussions after I asked 😂😂
But, as for a raid discussion question, I was reading above and you’re telling me I only get one chance at the EB per week? Fml
smoky tapir
no, you get multiple chances
each boss on first kill has a 1% chance to drop, then the box at the end has a 10% chance to drop it. Box at the end requires 5 keys, 4 keys are limited once per week but the final boss also drops a key on every kill so beyond the first clear, 5 final boss kills will let you open the box again for another chance
surreal dome
Ohhh ok got ya, thanks
wet swift
Anyone encounter bullet not spawning on phase 4 Iron Horse again since TU11?
jolly ferry
Whats a good level to start raiding at?
flint iris
Wt5 and lvl40 are minimums
You can start raiding as soon as you get some builds going and start to read up on some mechanics,
smoky moss
so is the difference between discovery and normal basically just discovery being easy enough to run through to learn the raid's mechanics?
While normal is the actual raid, but a harder diff?
Please @ me if someone replies.
uneven garden
no I think mechanics are different although same setup @smoky moss
woven fossil
Discovery is the easier, more tame version of the Normal Raid. Good for learning the pure basics of the raid without needing to worry about being efficient at it.
smoky moss
So how much different is the actual raid in normal
woven fossil
More Enemies, Beefier Enemies, Different Loot Tables.
Besides that, the changes are per encounter. @smoky moss
Ex: In Dark Hours Discovery Mode for the Weasel Fight, the gas won't really hurt you. Normal Mode's gas drains your health and can kill you.
smoky moss
Okay so I ran through DH in like not even half an hour on discovery, are you saying that if I ran through on normal it'd be basically the same thing but harder enemies, gear sets and exotics turned on, and more enemies?
Oh, that sounds like a minute difference. What are the other significant differences?
uneven garden
Like four gens need to be charged around the same time for normal
woven fossil
Razorback has stricter timing on the mechanics, and generators need to be charged at the same time, can't leave said generators until grenades explode in Razorback's chambers.
smoky moss
The group I ended up with did all four at the same time, So I guess they already knew what they were doing for that part
woven fossil
There's plenty that's different in the Normal mode. Discovery is exactly what it sounds like: You discovering the raid and it's base mechanics.
It's good for getting a hang of the basics before you hone yourself and go for the Normal Mode.
smoky moss
I see
woven fossil
Except for Boomer in Dark Hours. The Defense Nodes can pop back and you need to disable them via Laptops in the middle of the area. Entirely new mechanic added for Normal.
deep hollow
is the eagle bearer raid hard? I have never done raid in division 2 in my life.
And is this chest only openable 1 per week with 1 char?
viscid fossil
depends who you run it with
deep hollow
I mean the last chest that has 10% drop chance for eagle bearer
or like is it openable every session?
viscid fossil
less that that imo maybe 5%, pretty much i only ever got 8 ebs and i ran that raid a 1000+ times
just jump in with a group who is razorback farming and hope they drop you one
you need 5 keys to open the chest final boss drops it everytime you run it, but the other 4 are weekly
deep hollow
ah I see.... so basically its 1 full run only per week but others are mostly farm
viscid fossil
pretty much
misty swan
Discovery is a lot easier but as it’s match made you can get any group and lack of communication is challenging. For example I spent hours on discovery with different groups getting no where. Next day I went straight in and killed Razorback in 15 minutes
uneven prairie
I need help with last boss on Discovery Mode in Iron Horse. How do you avoid the mortars ? its kinda hard to hide when there is electricity on the other side
uneven prairie
No I mean the mortar that wipes everyone
How do I stop/prevent it from happening ? since the tunnel place where you hide is covered in instakill electricity.
uneven prairie
Yes, if I am not misunderstood it in the phase 2 i am talking about. So the train gun i can shoot with the rocket ? the big gun in the middle ?
flint iris
You don’t hide in the tunnel until after each morozova dps phase
You shoot the red bullet
uneven prairie
Ok. So all 4 turrets need to be down or else the instawipe bomb appears
vagrant wing
@uneven prairie why don't you watch a YT vid explaining the mechanics? It would be easier to everyone involved
uneven prairie
I watched 3-4 videos and read a article. None of these guides explains the elecritcity thing appearing or how to prevent it ! Not sure if it is different in discovery mode
But thanks for helping anyway
vagrant wing
It's not. I don't know what vid/article you read, but they should explain it since it's a key mechanic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hvglGcquvg this guy talks way to much imo but he explains it nontheless. The part you're interested in starts at 0530 @uneven prairie
late scarab
ahh, I know exactly what's he's talking about because I was playing around in discovery mode
How do I stop/prevent it from happening ? since the tunnel place where you hide is covered in instakill electricity.
@uneven prairie this is triggered when people shoot Morozava when they're not supposed to... DO NOT SHOOT MOROZOVA until the correct time
He's talking about when people shoot the 4th boss while the red shell is being loaded into Iron Horse... it triggers the wipe mechanic, where she calls an air strike over the whole field while the tunnel under the train is also electrified.
I believe it's an air strike.... mortars are coming from the train
cosmic vault
anyone here who is willing to do the iron horse raid have no exp on it and would like to have ppl to join it
flint iris
@cosmic vault use #lfg-raid-pc
uneven prairie
@vagrant wing Thank you Adler. Exactly what I needed. Going to shoot the red shell as it stops the electricity it seems. @late scarab You are correct. That is the one I was wondering in Discovery Mode. People tend to shoot a lot at the boss and then the insta wipe triggers as there are no places to hide anymore.
verbal mist
Problem with discovery is in most cases nobody listens . They just shoot everything . It stinks because it sounds like this dude really trying . On boss 4 it is a mechanic that all of you have to work together .
wary moat
youll know things going south if 5-6 players started shooting at the boss
dapper gyro
Hopefully they shoot her with the rpgs as well, to add some more "fun" for the more experienced players 🤭 😂
wary moat
lol
stoic lava
Hi guys i want to ask is healer build useful in the raid ? Or tank build with 1 million bouns armor?
vagrant wing
A solid healer (i.e. not a hybrid build) is good for both raids (although you can argue isn't necessary for DH). A tank build usually required for IH @stoic lava
jolly ferry
Are skill builds viable in raids?
vagrant wing
Not really - no
stoic lava
Aright thank you 🙏 @vagrant wing
nimble surge
Well wait, isn’t a medic/support a must in raids?
vagrant wing
Again for DH - it's not a must at all. But generally speaking - a healer is nice to have. A support/skill build isn't good for the raid simply because you'll do nothing for the bosses and won't be able to kill the adds quickly (except for some unique demo builds which i'm not talking about right now). So as i said - on a casual group a skill build is usually a bad idea
jolly ferry
What are the go to raids for builds
vagrant wing
Start with a solid dps build, learn the roles and then make a different build - that's my recommendation
late scarab
3rd boss in IH could use a foam/status effect build. 4th boss in DH needs an EMP build
2nd boss of IH has a heal/tank check. It literally cant be beaten without tank and/or healer
vagrant wing
I can argue with the 1st and last statments - but on a casual group - you're right
normal mirage
^
late scarab
What??? You can beat the 2nd IH boss with 8 red dps?
vagrant wing
I didn't say that. But you can do it without a tank - that's for sure
late scarab
Well, I didn't really say you needed a tank either, did I.. i added ambiguity for the peanut gallery
I say tank or healet
1st statement said could, not need
My statements are 100% correct
vagrant wing
alright - i feel like this argument will lead to nowhere so i'm gonna stop here. If somehow you were offended i'm sorry
normal mirage
Incoming 10 page essay
late scarab
If I had said you just needed a healer, some other guy would have chimed in and said that his armor regen tank build could withstand the control room no prob
Im half kidding, but I was anticipating
uneven garden
Healer can be in 1st and 2nd boss of DH - provided DPS is solid. that works for speeds also
tender hollow
I agree. For DH in general a skill damage build is not good. FI healer build are now viable as people on full armour get a 25% damage bonus -> Very good in Boss 2 (healing hive + chem launcher) if doing 7-1, good in Boss 3 (healing hive + oxidiser), worth trying in Boss 1 if the group is struggling (healing hive + turret) and you don't mind doing a 3 hr raid.
tender hollow
does anyone have razorback check point, and willing to let me hop in and get a checlpoint
uneven garden
For boss 1 we just let healer do 2 computers and put a hive around where boomer would go down to keep kiters alive
celest jacinth
Does anyone have a clan that is running the dark hour raid that I can join plz I really want to get the eagle bearer but I can't find a team
Psy
Ps4
I know what to do just don't have a team to do it
muted horizon
This needs to be stated somewhere on this discord - for any newer raiders coming into either DH or IH, please do/expect the following when you join pug raids:
- advise the lead/group that you're newer, so that they can adjust your role according/expect to help with mechanics - don't sit mute/fuck up numerous times, and waste everyone's time by not understanding what needs to be done for the group.
- when the raid lead is giving instructions, don't constantly cut said raid leader off to point out something they don't understand - if you ever took an educational class in your life, you wouldn't speak over the teacher. Listen and learn, ask question/comment at the end.
- bring some knowledge of the fight to the raid PRIOR to joining - it's easy enough to get the group in this place, simply join the voice channel first... but it takes 5-10 minutes to watch youtube/read reddit on mechanics of the fights you're joining... do that in advance so you know what you're going into.
- if you're told to do something, don't get defensive and cuss back/say you were doing it... if a raid lead sees you do something incorrect, they are telling you what to do to LEARN the mechanic, not hate you as a person. It's that simple - you learn through trial and error, and the lead is there to help you understand.
- obviously have some knowledge of a DPS build/tank build/healer build that is adequate for raiding - if you join a raid in gear that you can't solo challenging open world content in, then you're probably going to fail as a dps in the raid... take 1-2 hours, go to targetted loot, and grind certain pieces on the set you need. The raids are for optimized builds, not a rainbow rolled, 50% optimization hybrid build... you won't have fun, neither will your team.
Only reason I'm typing this is because I personally had a "situation" last night where all of above basically didn't happen with one member, and it came to the point I had to remove myself from group due to toxicity. TY all
royal patio
Either raid add me on psn need full group and i know what to do @Eastajr1106
icy hull
wrong channel, use Raid LFG ones @royal patio