pakhan good enough to run with striker while i look for an elmos or should i just pick up a specific gold gun?
#td2-raid-discussions
fierce dirge
violet lance
So guys i want to be useful in raids and do them efficient i have done each one only one time , is there any good videos on how raids being run to understand them because when i did i was like just shooting enemies i dont know any of the mechanics or what the vetrens are doing
vale shard
pakhan good enough to run with striker while i look for an elmos or should i jus...
Like any assault rifle with DTOC and Measured
fierce dirge
an elmos did magically end up in my inventory when doing some retaliation but yeah I hear that
slate hawk
marsh junco
Can anyone that knows what to do to complete iron horse raid dm me. It's the last for journey 8 that I need and I need it's rewards. I've only tried to matchmake a few times and each time was a fail because people kept shooting at the last boss when asked not to.
twin junco
Can anyone that knows what to do to complete iron horse raid dm me. It's the las...
Do you want to run on discovery or normal? I am UK time zone. We can run in a few hours if you still need help.
tribal pike
Need help getting the Iron Breakers Achievement for the Iron Horse Raid. I've never done the raid any help would be greatly appreciated.
lone stone
1st boss in Iron Horse Raid keeps running back in the train and we canβt use the buttons to summon him back??? Wtf do we do
swift peak
@tribal pike please use #lfg-raid-console when looking to group with others in the raids. Alternately, I hear the xbox gamefinder app is a popular option.
tribal pike
@swift peak ok
marsh junco
Do you want to run on discovery or normal? I am UK time zone. We can run in a fe...
i live in the u.s and can only play in group best at night you'd be about 6 hours ahead of me.
twin junco
i live in the u.s and can only play in group best at night you'd be about 6 hour...
Ok, was a try. Good luck then π
muted horizon
@grizzled rover You're looking for #lfg-raid-console, GL Agent 
grizzled rover
Thank you
swift peak
@violet escarp please use #lfg-raid-pc when looking for players to group with in raids
muted horizon
@uncut linden Sure, you can find a hand down in #lfg-raid-console, GL Agent
@turbid current Same as above, but #lfg-raid-pc GL Agent
turbid current
<@719609393150427296> Same as above, but <#578577726315823104> GL Agent <:div2...
appreciate it, thanks
spice girder
First
autumn raven
omg that first culture !
azure jasper
2th
nova wigeon
4th? >Β·>
dapper gate
5th :>
jaunty flicker
6th
maiden vector
why ????
fallow mountain
Who's aiming for world's first?
flat fox
fallow mountain
I mean for the raid lol
spice girder
Completed it before the raid even released. Did it with wiimotes tied behind my back
nova wigeon
π
pliant bison
@spice girder the real question: Wii motion Plus on or off?
spice girder
On of course
pliant bison
My god, the precision....what a beast π
spice girder
π
In all honesty, I'm not worried about being worlds first. I would just love to complete a raid
pliant bison
well, not really sure what to type here other the a best of luck, have fun for now xD
and with you there @spice girder; it's not about the race fo 1st or the loot, it's about getting together with a bunch of people ad laughing as you go
spice girder
Exactly
dapper gate
indeed π
spice girder
I couldn't complete any of the raids in Destiny 2. Mostly because of a garbo player who would constantly Leroy Jenkins himself, then blame it all on the game
pliant bison
If that's attitude you're going in with it want to keep in contact just in case we need to fill out the numbers; my clan is all about casually enjoying ourselves and laughing through it, no idea how many of them will be online when it starts xD
could be handy just in case we all need to help fill the numbers with people who are actually friendly xD
because I fear not having the numbers and only finding angry tryhards in lfg xD
waxen dirge
Good luck to everyone going for the first win
pliant bison
and equal luck to those who aren't π
waxen dirge
I mean, if you start it, you will finish it.. sooner or later..
pliant bison
I mean end of the day doesn't matter how fast you are, if you didn't enjoy yourself you lost π
tired sage
Good luck to all π
fiery sinew
You mean best of luck getting a group together within a reasonable time.
velvet plume
^
velvet plume
By the time im going to get to do the raid every week its highly unlikely i'll be able to find a group... The neglect of putting in a matchmaker for the raid has practically just made the game pointless playing for a lot of us Johan, the comment of "best of luck getting a group together" is pretty spot on.
sudden spindle
I hope there are no dragons π
fair nova
true XD but I found my group ... I just need the time to play
fair nova
xD
turbid basin
same
high ginkgo
is it out yet
fair nova
@high ginkgo 11 hours
turbid basin
lol
high ginkgo
π£
brittle gorge
less than 5 hours
turbid basin
1hr30 uk time from now
brittle gorge
its actually next year
fair nova
π
pliant bison
I mean I think it may be something to judge a bit once we see the Raid, if it's just some traditional easy to understand objectives then I think the no matchmaking thing would be a mistake. But at the same time the no matchmaking would've been a considered decision that was definitely not taken lightly, whether to avoid unnecessary frustration or to make sure everyone who goes in is equipped to do it in terms of communication.....either way while I get people people being angry about no matchmaking, it is quite likely that they have a really proper reason for it, and over time if everyone disagress that's always subject to change π
fair nova
Everyone remembers when they said they will help solo players as well π
velvet plume
^
brittle gorge
If they dropped matchmaking you'd have 50k people saying how hard the raid is
fair nova
I mean I don't really care since I got players who to play with but still
turbid basin
can u imagine playing 4 of ur friends and 4 randoms matchmake and u drop loot for them boom it all stole and they do they upurs dance
pliant bison
like I said, if this is just a big mission then yeah, makes no sense, but if this has moments of teams seperating and needing to convey information to each other.....matchmaking could be a disaster at least initially
turbid basin
will did say teams will split at certain points
fair nova
why don't they add a skillgroup rating
something like thatwould make things much much easier.....
turbid basin
true or unlock my woof woof patch ive killed over 3k dogs lol
pliant bison
I mean I matchmake to try and meet new nice people to build up my friendly casual clan, and whenever I say hi about 2 of every 10 people ever type back xD
bronze wedge
inbe4 the raid is just another shooting gallery that needs nothing.. and no matchmaking and 8player requirements is just to make u force ur friends to buy the game
fair nova
xD
brittle gorge
Ya and u can still do that, that's how i found my raid group
fair nova
@bronze wedge π
brittle gorge
running around DZ asking people on mic
bronze wedge
i remember them saying stolen signal in div 1 "need coordination and builds" when in reality it needed only 1 shield dude who can cover all 3 hostages.. BUT HEY... atleast it had matchmaking
pliant bison
Like I said, let's preserve judgement on the decision after we see what it holds in store
fiery sinew
And did the MM hurt? I guess no.
velvet plume
@pliant bison they are restricting who can and can't do the raid, the further into the week you get the harder it will be to find people to do the raid with, I personally won't be able to do the raid until near reset and without a matchmaker finding people who are willing to do the raid will be hard due to it being late week & finding people who want to do the mission again for no reward will be even harder. Never mind the fact they have said time and time again they would be helping solo players more this time again. It really doesnt seem that way
fiery sinew
Geeeez, this boils down again to the dumpster fire that is MM talk right now.
ornate cave
i am looking for a chatroom to post our ubi-ids, so the group can find each other without spamming the only public chat
bronze wedge
mm doesnt hurt.. i mean most of the time u get randoms who have shity builds and dont know anything about the game but u can always carry them.. even 1 man could carry the 3 with em numbers were mostly just because ur used to pressing matchmake and actually "used as meatshields while u gun down ur targets"
velvet plume
& to state that lack of comms is the biggest factor is a huge stretch i can name ample of games with raiding system in place where you should really be communicating in order to get through it but can still successfully do it without comms & they have matchmaking for it
urban burrow
haha.. good luck to people who are raiding later.. sad for solo players that get locked away from raid content and also the new exotics and new sets
velvet plume
Its a huge unjustified oversight
pliant bison
@velvet plume I mean it's fair but.....at the same time there is a point where the word Solo player will become incompatible with group content. It's a bummer especially initially but, I mean......it's a raid xD
bronze wedge
even group players cant find ppl.. who isnt in an "active clan" rigght now with only 3-4 ppl online?
velvet plume
Solo player doesnt mean you do all content by yourself it just means you prefer doing most content by yourself. removing matchmaking makes it extremely hard for solo players to be able to find these group to do the content they need group for
urban burrow
and there are many small clans out there that just play with their friends..
pliant bison
I think the best thing would to have a special seperate matchmaking for the raid but instead does what Halo Reach did where you post if you're looking for fun or taking things seriously. current matchmaking I'd have concerns about if the raid is complex, but if you could matchmake to others based on specific preferences of playstyle and attitude that'd be a great solution
ornate mason
lack of matchmaking is saving the casuals from themselves
there are already two big discords with lfg for this
urban burrow
yea i mean it doesn't hurt to have a matchmake for ppl who wanna try the content.. fail or not is still up to them..
ornate mason
raid is hard content.. cant have people with no mics. not only will they themselves not enjoy the content, they will ruin it for 7 others
if you remember matchmaking with randoms for incursions in div1 when that came out. that was a painful slap
velvet plume
and again Tek that is viable yes but probably only for the start of the week as the week goes on finding people will become hard & i know a lot o quite a few people who play this game who have no interest in joining the discord groups
It was an issue for a couple of weeks then it balanced out Tek
urban burrow
is unfair to straight up decide for everyone that matchmake is bad
ornate mason
well then the raid isn't for them as sad as it is
bronze wedge
2-3 more days when ppl understand the mechanics no one will need a mic or any coordination when everyone will just know thier part
fiery sinew
@bronze wedge Exactly this.
pliant bison
@ornate mason I mean i wouldn't use that exact wording but I do imagine it's as much about alleviating certain frustrations; perhaps they feel that the frustration of finding groups right now is less than the frustration of being caught as the odd one out in a 7 person group or being with 7 other solo players without communication etc.
That said it could also be just an initial thing while the objectives are still unknown and unclear; perhaps once it's more well known and dissolves into becoming "just another really hard mission" then they might change their tune on it
velvet plume
What? No just because people won't follow what others are doing in a game doesn't mean they should be excluded as pointing out making the decision on what is best for everyone without seeing what will happen with current system is just plain stupid
pliant bison
I mean Division is always updating, it's frustrating now but if people really feel like it's needed I'm sure they'll eventually change things to make matchmaking work for it π
coarse root
@urban burrow it's because people cry and moan that it isnt what they like to a point that they give in
ornate mason
they didn't include matchmaking because of the technical limitations(?) not to exclude solo players
but as a side effect it is also a good thing in my view
pliant bison
doubt it's technical; best guess is that it was probably a more informed decision or they didn't feel the system was robust enough to not be frustrating yet
velvet plume
One of the reason they didnt include it was because of technical limitation that was not the sole deciding factor!
ornate mason
they did release a statement where they spoke about limitations @pliant bison
pliant bison
oh, then fair enough π
fiery sinew
@velvet plume With some effort you can work out a solution for this. The deciding factor was, that this would require resources and money, they are not willing to sacrifice right now.
urban burrow
i guess they may add in MM after about 6 months.. most of the time features come in after awhile
ornate mason
there would be more frustration and anger if there was matchmaking when a group cant complete a piece of content, or solo's keep leaving and joining
bronze wedge
well solo players are the only ones left playing the game right now anyways π ala "empty 40man clans"
velvet plume
^
versed forum
Kinda explains why I never find help in missions (Sorry, just made it to T1 so.....yeah.....)
velvet plume
when patches drop the player count increases for a few weeks to a month tops and then it dwindles again. This is going to cause more people to stop playing then return to the game...
ornate mason
is the raid dropping after downtime or?
pliant bison
I will say though that the other thing to remember is that with this being their first raid it's very possible they want it to be received well on its own terms and get feedback on that. With matchmaking that initial reaction without full communication could muddy the waters of the initial discussion of the raid and it's mechanics itself rather than the discussion being players saying the raid is terrible because they can't communicate with any of their team.
Whatever decision they made or why they made it I can imagine they presumed this backlash would happen, but felt the benefits of this decision were outweighing the negatives. Whether we agree once the raid is actually out there and played or not we'll see; but I can't imagine they made the decision blindly or lightly
that said they could've given it some more time between saying that and releasing the raid to actually let people at least plan for this eventuality rather than be surprised by it just before the raid came out
bronze wedge
well they could always add an LFG page or specific matchmaking brackets like "mathcmake as sharpshooter dps" or "matchmake as skill build" or even "matchmake for raid specific builds"
pliant bison
perhaps.....although we have no idea what'll even work just yet xD
I just want an lfg channel for 2 LMGs; the only way to play π
velvet plume
Adding in feature to the matchmaker would have solved this, looking at how other games deal with raid grouping with matchmaking would have solved this issue. As i stated before there are ample of games out there with raiding in that should require comms but have other systems in place in there matchmaking ect to make it possible to do without comms even though it will be harder.
pliant bison
I mean I don't do anything useful....but I have 2 LMGs, so I'm laughing manically at all times
@velvet plume definitely; may just be that they think their current matchmaking system isn't ready yet; would be cool to see it evolve π
velvet plume
So then that bring the question as to why they decided to neglect the matchmaking system when working on this content
Either way you look at it, they fucked up
bronze wedge
Not surprised i mean not the first or last screw up they will make π€£
pliant bison
indeed; plus they communicated it way too late......maybe they couldn't get it working in time and they thought it would? I dunno
we can only really speculate atm
velvet plume
The fact they knew they were going to implement a 8 man raid before the game was launched and decided to do nothing with the matchmaking system from D1 is extremely short-sighted
There is literally no justifiable excuses for this, they had the road map long before we did, they knew what they were bringing out with the game long before we did, they knew what features would be needed long before we did & they had ample of time to research & come up with the best solutions & cutting out MM is not a solution its a problem!
bronze wedge
they also knew ppl would pay blindly when they saw "free year 1 content" when its actually just a big marketing gimmick.. release half the game now and the other half as free dlc later.. justifies the half baked games π
velvet plume
I can quite literally see the player base dwindling to an astronomical low because of this
pliant bison
I mean honestly, compared to Div 1 and pretty much every games as a service game, Div 2s launch content was actually quite impressive
velvet plume
Shame they are now hell bent on destroying it
bronze wedge
what was the launch content? waiting for tier 5? π
velvet plume
The initial launch was impressive i agree but since then its just been oversight after oversight after yet more oversight. When you have people already uninstalling the game because it's unlikely they will get to participate in the new content that is a huge problem for your games survivability!
pliant bison
a good set of main missions, the invasions, the strongholds, the side missions being actually designed as opposed to all area point defense stuff. Yes anyone who plays enough will eat through the content faster than they could ever make it and so on but there's a reason Division 2 has been initially received so well; while as with most endgames we have hit the point in a new game of repeating content forever ad nauseum that initial content amount is still pretty legitimate
bronze wedge
we have yet to see the "horde mode" IGN talked about when they leaked the true patriot set
pliant bison
or survival, that's the one I'm waiting for π
whole lily
LFM for Dark Hours: Must have 495+ GS, Microphone with no static, no screaming children in background or animals... or wifes. Must speak fluent English and have at least 6 straight hours to progress as necessary. I will be requiring a screenshot of your computer specs as I will not allow anyone who plays under 60 FPS.
pliant bison
....there's a LFG channel to use instead @whole lily π
oh you posted there as well
whole lily
Yes, people don't know about it yet since it was created 2 hours ago I think.
It's pretty dead
pliant bison
That callout is pretty hardcore isn't it xD
agile elk
how much time left
warm ivy
anyone have a free space in their clan for the raid??
pliant bison
@warm ivy if you're looking to not take it very seriously then yes π
at least we think.....we son't really know how many of us will be online xD
warm ivy
I'm just looking to play, not sweat it out
pliant bison
well the clan is a clan for anyone who just wants a laugh and to be generally friendly; so if you're okay with a bunch of idiots laughing as we die and want in on that then you're more than welcome to join us π
warm ivy
that sounds perfect XD
pliant bison
Well then....welcome to the Scrubby Casuals π
worn sedge
I'm looking for a group to run the raid with.
next yacht
me too!
pliant bison
@worn sedge @next yacht A serious group or a group of idiots who will most certainly fail and laugh maniacally as they do?
next yacht
id like to think im serious but i play with no mic so probably better to join the fun one π
worn sedge
I would definitely like to finish it. If that can be done I'm in.
pliant bison
@next yacht try on the lfg channel first a bit more just to see, some people may want a serious silent person xD; but if we find ourselves as 7 and need 1 more then I'll give you a shout π
worn sedge
I have a mic and 500 gs
pliant bison
oh god I do not care for Gearscord, DPS, role, or any of that xD
agile elk
when is it coming out
pliant bison
I care if someone's friendly and willing to have a laugh :)
that said @worn sedge while I would love o, if it is super hard I don't necessarily expect us to have a day 1 victory
dapper gate
@agile elk around 30 to 40 minutes ish left
looks like one team is already ready heh, good luck to those finding a Raid group
next yacht
@pliant bison not very much luck over there π¦
urban burrow
oh god lol.. ppl are trolling on the twitch with MM π
pliant bison
@next yacht I'll keep you DM ready just in case we all don't find anyone in 30 minutes π
lyric musk
TΓΌrk var mi
final thunder
@lyric musk Please use English here π
pliant bison
NEVER, VIVE LA REVOLUCION!
lyric musk
@final thunder its okey im looking friends for my country you know
Looking for a group of raid :(
final thunder
#lfg-raid-console for raid lfg and #553518211556048896 for clans.
lyric musk
Thank you
balmy bone
what kind of info do we have on the gameplay part of the raid, like what kind of threats we're gonna face etc
i assume there are some special mobs, i heard about it but i don't have any more info
balmy bone
that scares me,considering yesterday i had to run for 15 seconds from a yellow dude trying to melee me
lmao
bronze wedge
new enemy behaviour.. can actually kill division agents
warm ivy
Xd
balmy bone
inb4 we need to shoot down a helicopter or some stuff
warm ivy
might have to, or a plane
hearty viper
You will meet some dangerous Black Tusks, that's for sure.
mellow pumice
friendly fire please :^)
bronze wedge
glad we wont meet any aliens π
pliant tiger
Rip when I'm only 481 gs, so I can't attend a raid team.
balmy bone
i wonder if the drone helicopter thing will be present, i still haven't had a chance to see one anywhere
only saw the prop, mapped one in tidal basin
atomic iris
shot down 2 of them. sadly went easily down
balmy bone
i heard they don't have much health but they do quite the damage, with rockets or something
also someone said something about four bosses in the steam, dunno if it's true
brisk schooner
do you need to be any level?
warm ivy
im WT5 with a horrific build, soo im stuffed XD
atomic iris
abput 500 gs, pref 250-300k armor and 100k+ hp, with 1m++ dps i would think
warm ivy
sounds about right
graceful walrus
pretty sure it said 495+ somewhere
warm ivy
490+ gear score needed to do the raid
atomic iris
surely + 50-100 recal-score would help
currently working on recal-score on my main after the last patch.. wish i saved more armor for skills :p
shut sigil
@south compass where are you from ?
oblique holly
any group for pc im with a friend looking for a group
shut sigil
add me on the ps4 bondDIVAKAMIKAZE
south compass
@shut sigil New Zealand
shut sigil
sure add me π
lavish ridge
Just finished the raid, wasnt too bad ngl XD
tender hollow
but bad enough that making it matchmade would have been a terrible experience right? /s
umbral condor
@abstract pier @sweet dock we need your uplay
last garnet
Need 4 for xbox Raid GT solelydrstrange
frank stirrup
need 1 person for Raid plz PM me
lime comet
Need party for raid or some group can take me
blissful jay
I am looking for people to do raid pls invite me
blissful jay
me
lime comet
Meee
narrow nova
If you're looking for People/More people have you tried the lfg channel too?
There's probably alot of people who wanna join up.
lime comet
My nickname is santeri13
tender hollow
Anyone else want in the raid on xbox? Two more spots!
exotic niche
How long it takes ?
river hound
watching a stream right now and they can't even finish off first boss... seems like this will be a crazy raid
tender hollow
Looking for one more for the raid on Xbox!
livid dune
wow how long does it take to get past "waiting for raid searver..."
viral burrow
w h y no matchmaking
tropic aurora
Because they added stupid "press buttons at the same time" mechanics again. Sadly.
wide bay
Because people will complain regardless match making or no match making
livid dune
it kicked me off the fkn server and now to get back into the game in general it says "position in queue 25" what the fk
valid cosmos
40 min waiting server....
fringe oak
anybody having hard time joining other groups?
keeps saying "can't join player in raid"
livid dune
@UBISOFT why can't anyone find a raid server
spice ferry
Any clans out there looking for players?
viral burrow
division 2 has become destiny2
wide bay
Because you said so it must be true
hearty viper
Agents, we're looking into reports that players are waiting a long time for raid servers to be available. We're working on this as a high priority right now and are increasing the available servers.
Thanks for your patience and good luck on your progress!
valid cosmos
install new server clusters on all microwave available in office...
cinder bobcat
so have i understood it correct that you need to find the people for the group yourself? no random search?
tawdry hedge
That's right @cinder bobcat
velvet plume
One hopes companies would learn from other companies mistakes but ya know... They have our money now soooo why bother learning how other companies deal with these issues when they can just remove the issue altogether! π
cinder bobcat
Learning? Naaah killing a game is more fun
velvet plume
tawdry hedge
Have you watched a stream of the raid? This would be awful with randos
cinder bobcat
Maybe Div 2 will also be playable in a few years
compact zephyr
missing matchmaking only for raid .... just why
velvet plume
What raid isnt a shit show pugging in games from release. still ample of gaming companies realise the benefits far outweigh the cons
cinder bobcat
Oh comon. Make a difficulty for randoms and for premade groups. just look how wow did it thats not difficult
velvet plume
I've been pointing this out all day Kamp but most refuse to take this information on board
cinder bobcat
Β―_(γ)_/Β― @velvet plume maybe division 3 will learn it
velvet plume
We can hope but lets face it, more chance of jesus showing up!
autumn raven
mark my words : casuals always win, so I wouldn't be surprised if they added it next week
velvet plume
Durand i'm not even casual and it hugely affects me i have nearly 600 hours in the game so far
autumn raven
and you don't understand the philosphy behind this, perhaps wow did it, but they did it after a few years of not having autogroup
velvet plume
Okay what about FF14
just to name another MMO that realised this issue and implemented it straight off the bat
autumn raven
I agree, it's super annoying to not be able to queue directly, well since I don't give a flying fuck bout ff in general, their mmo kinda has the same treatment
keen blaze
so we are forced to use third part software to play endgame content lol
cinder bobcat
but you could see wow and learn from it. why not immediatly make it? why wait and loose more players
autumn raven
some will argue that it's not a terrible loss
velvet plume
I don't care about FF either but if you shoot one example down more can be used
velvet plume
erm... yes it is
cinder bobcat
dead game is good? well if they think that okay
autumn raven
game was 'dead' before raid
raw arch
you can't do Mythic+ from matchmaking
cinder bobcat
but you got lower difficulties you dont need to take randoms to mythic, you can do normal. why not have a low difficulty for the div 2 raid?
velvet plume
You can certainly do savage in MM though
keen blaze
but there is an in game LFG wher you can join other people
you dont have to use discord to find parties
velvet plume
on top of that both games have in built LFG section which this doesnt
raw arch
well, let's see where they end up with Raids, give them time
tawdry hedge
I just stood at the chopper for 5 mins and got spammed with invites, it really isnt the feast or famine you think it is
cinder bobcat
they are already delaying quite a lot, we lost a few players already
velvet plume
& what about those who cant do it on reset Hiss? You really think those continued spam invites will keep up throughout the entire week?
tawdry hedge
shrug make a group.
autumn raven
well I got invited twice but after 15 minutes of patience for each group, we've given up
velvet plume
As per missing the point Hiss π
As the week progresses it will be harder and harder to find people to do the raid by the end of the week it will probably be near impossible without either a LFG function or MM
cinder bobcat
and now they failed to bring enough servers on.. a dev studio that should have plenty experience with that. if we would do that in our company our customers would burn us down
keen blaze
and plenty of money lol
autumn raven
again, they can either stick with their philosophy, or give in to casuals
they deem that a bunch of pugs will not be able to clear it, it makes sense imo
velvet plume
again though its not just casuals that this is an issue for
cinder bobcat
just make a hardcore mode for the wannabe pros and one for the normal
they can do it with normal groups so why not in the raid
young sandal
Every company thinks pugs won't have raids on farm....they're always wrong lmao
velvet plume
^
young sandal
Also imagine being a "pro" in td2 lmao what a joke. This game isn't hardcore anyone using casuals as an excuse is an idiot
You want hardcore content...you're playing the wrong game
cinder bobcat
exactly
velvet plume
No there should be hardcore content but like every other game it should be optional not forced
autumn raven
then what game is truely hardcore? dark souls?
tawdry hedge
The raid isnt forced
young sandal
I'm not aware of many games lately you'd consider hard core...its mostly how the player takes to it. In td2s case that is simply pure play time as the skill ceiling is laughably low
cinder bobcat
if they dont want to let us play a part of the game and right now the only motivation to start division 2 again...
young sandal
Nothing in td2 is ecen slightly challenging
autumn raven
if you go that way, then I guess div1 is the same?
young sandal
Who played td1 past a month?
velvet plume
o/
cinder bobcat
td1 is finally a long term motivation but it took way too long
velvet plume
well over 2000 hours in that game
young sandal
I have enough games that ik not willing to let a shit one be polished if they can't do it right on launch
Doesn't change the fact that massive idea of difficulty is holding your mouse button down longer on certain mobs
The whole game is casual it's laughable to think match making will stop that
autumn raven
the HP increase is a very common plague in game developping that is
young sandal
No arguments tbere for sure God of war was a shit show on the hardest
compact zephyr
currently trying to matchmake from near guys .... its looooong pain
young sandal
Why does the God of war have to hit a regular draugr 80 times lmao
velvet plume
because Draugr are the real gods π π
young sandal
Removing a logistical feature because you think your raid is too hard is just amateur shit. Massive will likely relent
If anything make an in game lfg if not for mm so you can tailor posts
raw arch
just spent 30 mins on Q for raid and the team leader screamed "YESSSSSS NICEEEEE NICEEEEE" Kappa
young sandal
Works fine in all the mmos ive raided in that had content quite a bit harder than td2
autumn raven
someone said, I don't believe it, that the engine cannot handle 8 player MM
velvet plume
I don't believe that statement either Durand1l
compact zephyr
for not being able to find 8 players we are going 2 in raid :\
velvet plume
And if its actually true they really fucked up coding that engine
autumn raven
the source is some guy in this discord, in general chat, so...
south compass
Anyone want ps4 raid looking for 2 people
frosty yacht
i do
young sandal
Yeah I saw him post it just looked like bs
Any time games have issues like this there's someone always commenting how it's adjusts monocle cleeeeearly an engine limitation
autumn raven
I'm not really a tech expert, but I doubt it's even possible
young sandal
Better to leave it to the tech experts then dontchathink
It could vert well be but no sense in baseless speculation
cinder bobcat
ubi was never good with coding hehe
autumn raven
oh no no, studios and publishers can do way worse
thinking about bugthesda here and their legendary lazyness, see fallout 76
it's rare to find really good coders that is
velvet plume
@autumn raven its not rare to find really good coders, what is rare is for the publishers and leads to actually listen to the coders. For example a lot of Devs on 76 said it wasnt ready for release didn't stop shithesda pushing it out
gamers just need to face reality we are now in the realms of once they have our money they no longer care what we have to say
oblique crater
How do you prevent boomer from healing?
autumn raven
if it was true, then any major publisher would act like actiblizz or EA
velvet plume
Have you not noticed the trend that a lot are starting to act this way...
autumn raven
they started the live service BS yes, but only if the product ends up being like anthem or f76 can you label the publisher as shitty
velvet plume
No not at all & that attitude is why we end up in situations like this one
autumn raven
it's clearly not the case with Division(even the first one was arguably good, at least solid enough so that they could turn things around)
velvet plume
No but its starting to become that way with Division
They removed a feature and failed to realise the actual cost of removing that feature and not implementing anything to replace it such as a LFG with categories in game
Thats just one example too
autumn raven
you do have an LFG with categories in the game though
cinder bobcat
and they forgot to implement stuff from the first like the underground which was important for motivation and grinding
autumn raven
not the raid one(because it matches their philosophy, whether it's good or bad we'll see)
cinder bobcat
i have full gear and found all stuff nothing to do now
velvet plume
So when i get home i can launch the division hit a few buttons a list myself as looking for a group to do X and i am playing X role can i?
autumn raven
as much as I loved underground, I can't really call it a long term goal since it gave the same gear as the rest
it was something more to do, but the game gave us plenty to do let's be fair
cinder bobcat
with the current search time i dont think that it will be that fast @velvet plume ^^
but its something different then going to the same stupid point for the 10th time
autumn raven
oh you meant in that way? but honestly, apart from SS from the first game, the game didn't need specific roles
hence why you don't need a precise LFG, but a general LFG, one for each activity(more or less)
cinder bobcat
the times with the hardcore groups is mostly over anyway since alot games already learned that LFG browsers are needed to keep games alvve
velvet plume
But this one does need a precise LFG especially with them removing MM from the raid and its a huge oversight to not even realise or consider it
last garnet
@oblique crater shoot his chest plate when it lights up green
autumn raven
then question : how did we deal with it when we were playing wow? in the early years?
cinder bobcat
different time..
velvet plume
Very different times
WoW didnt have the system... Division did and removed it because "we think"
And often in these situations "we think" turns out to be hugely wrong
autumn raven
but you can't deny that somehow, adding the system in wow.... well didn't arrange things, let's say
velvet plume
And surprise surprise "we think" bit them in the arse because they didnt actually think about it past it really shouldnt be a feature for this
livid dune
damn this is hard lol
agile elk
did anybody complete it already?
livid dune
can't even get past the first boss
autumn raven
I've said it before, I'll say it again, I wouldn't be surprised if they added raid MM next week, cause casuals and reddit are yelling hard
and they tend to listen to us(see exotics and their increased damage)
velvet plume
They shouldnt add MM next week or until way in the future
my gripe is the pure oversight of not putting a system in place to fill that spot
spice girder
it's not an oversight, it's a creative decision. Whether you like or not doesnt change that
autumn raven
on that I cannot agree at all : not putting an MM system, but putting on a backfilling system? would make even less sense than that
velvet plume
No its oversight not creative decision. I have no issue with there being no MM system for the raid but failing to put in a LFG with options is oversight
spice girder
The idea was to play with friends and clan members
velvet plume
So still oversight...
autumn raven
then I'm out of luck, my clan doesn't play anymore ;p
velvet plume
^
graceful walrus
its fucking hard to find a decent clan in this game
spice girder
@autumn raven Sounds like a personal problem, not a game design problem
short perch
same, im one of 3 people in my clan that still plays but out of us 3 I play at an odd time due to work
autumn raven
let's be fair, bad example, it's not really a case to be made
but also, what Folseh said
velvet plume
As i stated earlier they have more data than we do as the players. Its a well known fact after each patch within a few week the numbers dwindle
barren canyon
need 5 on xbox
velvet plume
And its not a personal problem Corey its an entire game problem look at most clans they are plenty of people but very few actives
short perch
and with other games as time goes on, people will become more and more picky for LFG types so a lot of people are trying to get in early to get the experience instead of getting locked out of a lot of things cause "you don't have experience"
autumn raven
for the last week, I was the only one active, which felt weird, but okay, I need to find a more active clan
velvet plume
I've spent the last 3 weeks bouncing from clan to clan trying to find a more active clan it not just your clan issue Durand1l
compact zephyr
ok ... lesson 1: cant do raid in 2 players
spice girder
Sounds like a people problem, not a game problem. People jump from game to game or have other things happen outside of their control. it's called life.
There's only 10 people in my clan and only 3 of us actually active
velvet plume
Youre still enforcing the oversight Corey, failing to implement a system to tackle these well known issues while removing a core feature is oversight
autumn raven
about the you lack experience.... it's going to be bs, as more time passes
concerning the raid
vale gale
Does anyone know , how long for revive kit restock ?
autumn raven
if things stays as they are
spice girder
No it's not. They explained it numerous times it was their intent to release the hardest content so a cohesive unit ie friends and tight clan mates can complete it. It require coordination
I can't tell you how many times I've been in MM groups and failed miserably because some jackhole decided to Leroy Jenkins it
short perch
but you can tell us the times random folks coordinate right?
autumn raven
then they have another problem : I don't have enough friends, my clan is zombied, so I have to resort to the discord
velvet plume
Oh yes it is... unintentional failure to notice data patterns (that they have more of then we do) & consequences of removing a system that is widely required and used by many is oversight!
spice girder
A small handful of times @short perch
autumn raven
I can do it, but I cannot deny that an in game tool would be nice, as I tried to stand and find people in game and after 15 minutes per group, we all gave u^
spice girder
Probably 10%
velvet plume
Again don't care about the MM its the lack of replacement when the games numbers are already dwindling
The fact that this is a problem for many & they didn't see it being an issue within itself shows it oversight
spice girder
The only time I've had success when grouping with randoms is using Discord
short perch
it also doesnt help we are on seperate instances too you could see plenty of people around the copter in one instance, but near dead in another
somber bobcat
Pretty sure this first boss has issues
rigid mantle
is there matchmaking for the raid?
somber bobcat
no
velvet plume
No
spice girder
@rigid mantle No
rigid mantle
that kind of sucks
charred fractal
But isnt it super hard tho?
velvet plume
No its a good thing, but the lack of features to replace it sucks
charred fractal
So playing with randoms gonna last like hours and hours
autumn raven
many of us will be playing with randos anyway
short perch
at this point I rather do with randoms rather than never do it due to I work a lot
autumn raven
and the beauty of randomness is that sometimes.... you can do great things
charred fractal
Even with a coordinated team, a lot of streamers and pro players are struggling
Im not against MM, but i think its a good reason to find your own team
Maybe enable MM after the first team beat it?
autumn raven
but indeed the non MM policy seem to fit with teh raid difficulty
so it's basically more difficult than anything both games have given us?
in before casual crowd cries for a difficulty nerf people
can see it coming bigger than the chrysler building
short perch
eh, not all of us would want that
charred fractal
Im a casual player too, but i think alot of people dont know how hard it is with uncoordinated groups
short perch
I'm casual with all of my games at this point in life but I still enjoy the difficulty and having a long time between sessions to think of how to deal with things
charred fractal
I'd rather play and figure shit out with a team rather than wasting double the time with randos
But i get why some solo players are angry
charred fractal
I just rhink the raid is something special
Not another inclusion wher just match nake finish and leave group
*matchmake
*Incursion my bad
short perch
for the time being, after some time its gonna be treated as such
autumn raven
let's call it totally new for the franchise, as advertised, these people at massive have probably played wow, destiny and all that shit and they probably made a synthesis
I wouldn't be surprised to see a nerf, like blizzard did after some time
charred fractal
So like I said, maybe for raids, the first couple of weeks disable MM
autumn raven
some time in wow I meant*
charred fractal
Until the first team beat it, or a few teams beat it
autumn raven
also, depends if people can read and most importantly understand the strat
charred fractal
Then enable MM
frozen narwhal
How did 1st boss work?
after the laptop thing
he just becomes permanently not immune?
tardy delta
I'm at work, has anyone completed it so far?
autumn raven
not as far as we know
marco was wiping on it earlier
dunno if he progressed, but if that is an indication of the difficulty
gusty cedar
they're stuck at the last boss
autumn raven
can he make me lie and the raid not be beaten until tomorrow?
next timber
guys whats the fastest way to kill the first boss ping or message me
gusty cedar
"boss"
next timber
we are stuck on the first boss
raw arch
same :/
autumn raven
oh wait nope, they're at last boss already?
gusty cedar
yea
autumn raven
oh well
next timber
the first boss is annoying
pliant tiger
Yeah, boomer is too hard.
autumn raven
2 hours to beat hardest content? jesus
gusty cedar
dont you have to lure him to each of the miniguns
next timber
no
gusty cedar
well its the first day sooo..... its normal
pliant tiger
Yeah, but he changes agro
tawdry hedge
Still no clears?
next timber
the miniguns are the thing you need to destroy the jammers
pliant tiger
Yeah but it seems like a lot of people are incapable of defending those on the miniguns
next timber
servers went down
pliant tiger
for everyone?
somber bobcat
yeah we all got kicked
next timber
oof
tender hollow
SIX OF MY RAID JUST GOT DELTA-3'D
tawdry hedge
Ouch, sorry to hear that guys
meager geyser
The first boss does he destroy turrets time based or stagger based?
pliant tiger
Your progress apparently saves, so it's all good
Joris, he destroys them if he gets near them
next timber
also how do you knock him
gusty cedar
oh look they figured out the mechanic of the last area
pliant tiger
Is this on a twitch stream?
gusty cedar
yes
tawdry hedge
Marcos? :0
tropic aurora
You know what's better than making a difficult raid? Making a bullet sponge raid! :D
gusty cedar
him and streamerhouse from what im watching
tawdry hedge
Yeahh dude, this fight looks wild
next timber
how do you knock him
somber bobcat
no idea how they got passed the first..
meager geyser
We had him to 10% but his Melee range is so massive
lunar shadow
how do i get in a damn party for the raid?
autumn raven
you go one channel below, there's no in game MM
compact zephyr
so one disconnect from ubi server and you leave raid forever ? ....fffff dat
autumn raven
the biggest boss : delta errors...
compact zephyr
yeah, ok i had enough today, feel super salty with new raids :_(, no MM, delta errors, oneshot-kill dogs ....
autumn raven
one shot kill dawgs are nothing new that is
they have those in idiotic/heroic as well and the yellow ones are not far from one shotting me in challenging 4 people
oblique crater
I personally don't mind the lack of MM for the Raid, it's how Destiny does it and it makes sure all the players are mic and what not
compact zephyr
even in heroic i can usually stand 1 shot from elite dawg here .... last raid 7 players got deleted by one dawg
tender hollow
well if you want proper teammates, you organise the way you do now, but if you just want to get in regardless, it's your choice why should it not be there
compact zephyr
i dont mind random guys π i mind errors and tedious work to get in raid
ripe sleet
How the *%&$ do you kill the first boss in the raid??
shut sigil
yeah Boomer is really kicking my ass xd
wide bay
LOL everyone still working on first boss while streamerhouse group on last lol
shut sigil
haha if the first boss is hard how would the others be
river hound
@ripe sleet you have to keep the pylons down keep the turrets alive and put a ton of dmg on him
tender hollow
Looking for 1 more for Xbox One for the raid! we had someone leave, so we need a replacement
misty osprey
I've gotten to the first boss twice, but both times the real enemy showed up: Teammates dropping because we didn't win immediately.
compact zephyr
yeah classic :\
misty osprey
Why would you quit if 6 of the 8 people are still up and fighting?!
tender hollow
PSST So you have to watch the screens on the outside. They tell you what computer to hit to not let defense system activate. After 4 times you can do damage to boomer.
safe comet
lf2m for raid. First boss progress. Voice ofc. rdy now
still salmon
I'm ready to raid, and I got a headset with a microphone. My Sony network Id is same as my discord.
iron isle
So whos closest on the race to completing??
vernal mason
How do you damage the first boss
meager geyser
Shoot the backpack with the minigun
oblique crater
@vernal mason you gotta hit his back, but also hit his front so he doesn't heal
shut sigil
Theres screens outside of the middle that will show either A, B, C or D. Stop the defence system from going Up by interacting with the Laptop with the right Letter in the middle of the room.
this is for the first boss
tawdry hedge
There's like 4?
wicked imp
hooooo fuck
tawdry hedge
Im watching marco and hes been at it nearly 4 hours
oblique crater
Did you kill boomer? lol
wicked imp
i predicted we would fight a tank
tawdry hedge
Nah im raiding tonight. Night hours are raid hours :)
wicked imp
this razorback is a hell of a boss
oblique crater
Are you fighting him rn Xyn?
oblique crater
@gusty moss No
lament tusk
We need NOT USA only raid servers.
tender hollow
what's wrong with usa
ripe sleet
Stillnot sure how to do this
I mean for gods sake he barely takes any damage and then immediately heals it
oblique crater
Stream House is on the last encounter
shy urchin
need 1 more player<add me
proper agate
By myself. Experienced player with a mic and good build. Need a team
misty osprey
Does it show in the Clan Wing at the White House yet?
brazen onyx
it will show up in 2 days
tender hollow
Streamhouse and marco on last boss
gusty scaffold
Reports are that someone beat raid already!??
tender hollow
Looking for 3 more for Xbox One for the raid, we had someone leave!
vale gale
Does anyone defeat raid bos??
plush spindle
ember hornet
yup
timid anvil
did anyone make it past the first boss yet?
gusty cedar
a few groups have
bold dome
Hi guys, I don't want any spoil, I just want to know how long I should expect the raid to be ? Don't wanna go in without being able to finish it.
Thanks ;)
gusty cedar
no one has finished it yet
delicate idol
what are the steps for 2nd stage(airplane) ?
gusty cedar
so who knows
wind sapphire
how do you even defeat the first boss?
bold dome
@gusty cedar looks like I should take myself a free day then x) thanks
gusty cedar
pretty much at this point anyway haha
ember hornet
@bold dome Its been 4 hours and marco still hasnt done it
so yeah with normal people its legit gonna be a whole day
bold dome
That's great news, I was waiting for this kind of gaming experience
ember hornet
its easy to say that
less so when your group still hasnt killed the first boss after 3 hours
bold dome
Something like the long destiny 1-2 raids.
bold dome
I believe that raid should be extremely hard and long.
As they use to be in MMORPG etc.
ember hornet
I mean yeah but you know
I feel like this aint as much challenging as hard for the sake of it
bold dome
If it's not your cup of tea stronghold are here for your, stuff for everyone 
ember hornet
like the trash mobs are heroic level even on the lowest difficulty
tender hollow
I've beet at it for almost 4 hours now
ember hornet
I wanna play this dude
Its awesome figuring this shit out but 3 hours
makes me wanna kms more than anything
gusty cedar
im just gonna wait till other people give detailed breakdown of the mechanics, raid specific builds and how to beat it efficiently π
ember hornet
we know how to beat the bosses at this point
velvet plume
@gusty cedar flithy casual π
ember hornet
its just the matter of doing it thats the problem lol
velvet plume
Anyone beat it yet?
velvet plume
Anyone even close?
ember hornet
main ones streaming are
ember hornet
Marco and streamerhouse. they both are on the last boss
velvet plume
oh damn, should have know styles would be attempting for WF
How bad of a shit show is it?
ember hornet
autumn raven
guy is at it since 5 hours now
ember hornet
Pretty bad lol. marco has been on the last boss for like an hour now
autumn raven
he really wants his world first, then can boast around on his channel ;D
gusty cedar
more than an hour lol
ember hornet
if not longer.
timid anvil
who is marco?
autumn raven
I was talking bout the whole thing
gusty cedar
InigoMontoya also at least section. quite a few are there
but marcos group seems closest to beating it
timid anvil
who is marcos? does someone have a link to the stream?
marsh marlin
Do we have a worlds first yet?
autumn raven
not as far as we know
upbeat totem
they will have to make it easier. if the best players cant beat it...
delicate idol
so what are the steps for 2nd stage? (plane)
marsh marlin
Please dont make it to easy
autumn raven
they will beat it, and so will we
somber bobcat
not easy but not stupidly hard either
autumn raven
even average players like us can do it
timid anvil
does anyone know at that time the first boss starts to destroy the turret?
narrow vortex
hope this helps
The boss is immune to damage at first. At least one player will have to act as bait. Whoever spots a red eye icon in the middle of the screen β this means the boss will go after them. They should use the furniture in the middle of the room as distractions to slow him down. While theyβre kiting him, others should deal with adds and mount the turrets. When you see a red box on the bossβ back, shoot it in order to stun him. When he drops to his knees, focus damage on him.
The turrets jam easily, so you have to drag the boss around the room. Also, he has a healing plate on his chest. Whoever is baiting him should shoot at it whenever it starts glowing. This will stop him from healing. Keep the adds and the boss away from the turrets β theyβll try to destroy them. Also make sure you destroy the signal sources whenever they start glowing again, since they provide immunity to the enemies.
You can also disable the source signals by using the laptops in the middle of the room. The big screen will show you a letter before they go back online β if you interact with the laptop with that letter, they wonβt power.
autumn raven
people forgot wow's infamous an quirajh
delicate idol
@timid anvil 50% or random
tender hollow
Anyone wanna join us on xbox? We need 1 more.
timid anvil
@delicate idol 50% health of the turret or of the boss?
delicate idol
@timid anvil boss
mossy flare
Need people for a raid anyone want to join
delicate idol
any info on 2nd stage?
wide bay
figured out the mechanic on first boss just not enough damage. Does the output does damage stop at two bars?
marsh marlin
Pog almost have it
hidden girder
clear?
barren canyon
i need 1 for Boomer if anyone wants in on Xbox
marsh marlin
Not quite yet
delicate idol
any info on 2nd stage?
gusty cedar
tender hollow
What are peoples opinions on the raid?
ember hornet
Dont have one. After 3 hours still didnt beat the first boss
gloomy lake
Need one for boomer
warm ivy
I can see why they didn't add matchmaking XD
pliant bison
Yeah; I enjoyed myself a lot despite being stuck on Boomer for 3 hours before we all needed to take a break just now but figuring stuff out has been fun. I'm definitely tainted by my clan in terms of opiion though; those lot are super funny and nice so noone got frustrated. with different people I may have felt differently xD
Khris π
warm ivy
heyyy π
pliant bison
But yh, they made the right call on matchmaking, communicatio and teamwork is bloody essential.....and friendly people π
gusty cedar
eh nothing wrong with matchmaking
warm ivy
with the right people the raid is fun
gusty cedar
or at least an in game lfg besides chat
warm ivy
trust with matchmaking the raid would be 10 times harder than it actually is
pliant bison
indeed, a better lfg system or a more comprehensive open clan browser in-game would be optimal
but direct matchmaking like all the other modes would be very painful xD
sinful sierra
people still stand by the chopper looking for groups, matchmaking would just make it less frustrating for people looking to do the raid
gusty cedar
no i know what you mean. but just need to give people time to figure it out. then they could enable matchmaking
hidden knoll
Hard asf all i gonna Say
pliant bison
yh, woudn't be surprised if it gets toned down just a tiny bit at one point xD
it makes heroic look like a walk in the park xD
whole mauve
Matchmaking is a double edged sword. Giving people easy access to join a team will only cause people to depart from teams easier. I would be happy with matchmaking if they include a leave penalty of a few hours before allowed to matchmake again.
hidden knoll
haha π
pliant bison
yh, I know this sounds odd but Payday 2 is a great example of what Raid matchmaking would look like; that game is infamous for people being kicked around
so it needs to be more of an elective lfg system with intentions such as "for fun" or "serious" etc for it to work; it could be done but I imagine some ovverhauling of how it connects people would need to be done
gusty cedar
POG did it π
dawn pier
pliant bison
that said, got to first boss, figured out a few mechanics as we went; it's a total meat-grinder, I have the happiest clan in the world somehow so it's all good π
and well done to them......they were the ones everyone predicted right?
tender hollow
ITS BEEN CLEARED!
pliant bison
indeed....did they laugh as much as us though?
hushed pumice
It's done
warm ivy
probably not
warm ivy
they were exreamly serious about it, they wanted to get it done first
we had more fun though π
warm ivy
yeah we need one
pliant bison
anyway I should really rest my eye, cya in a bit khris π
warm ivy
yeah, in a bit bud π
tender hollow
MarcoStyle just finished the raid. I'm not sure if they are world first but well done guys.
oblique crater
They are World First according to the leaderboard
tender hollow
Well done to them then.
warm ivy
marco got world first?
tender hollow
Looks like it.
warm ivy
gg
upbeat totem
ye 2 teams finished it now
tender hollow
So it was very close.
upbeat onyx
undone coyote
did anyone get the exotic ar or anything related to it?
wintry zinc
lawl no
tender hollow
lf1m stage 2 raid 20
kind flume
@whole mauve @pliant bison Agree with both of u re mm tbh. If div 2 are going mm on raids it needs to be separate from normal mm where organiser can IF they so wish set criteria and we as players can set criteria for raids as players.
narrow vortex
what do you guys think about the pestalence for the healing debuff on the first boss?
wooden nacelle
Just shoot his chest
ancient wing
Just tried to solo the raid, but I think I need to get a little more tanky https://imgur.com/a/PfpSGOg
kind flume
π
velvet plume
So who got WF? Style's group or House's group?
proven crest
Widdz and Marco
grizzled warren
Marco and nicktews team
velvet plume
Thanks =D, thought it would be Maroc' team, anyone know how far Streamer was behind? was it pretty close?
marsh marlin
StreamerHouse is still going I think, nearly through the last boss
narrow vortex
this shit is hard as fuck lmao
azure dirge
WF?
azure dirge
ah cool thanks
whats been the success rate of everyone so far? we got some winners thusfar?
drifting flame
whats the deal with voip not working in raid?
narrow vortex
so far ive only see 3 teams do it and they are all on pc
manic pasture
So yea guys is the raid even beatable for ur average 500 GS player
azure charm
Anyone else think that Boomer has too much health and regens to fast
narrow vortex
boomer is OP af
manic pasture
Like ffs the RAID isnt goign to get any easier
like for destiny raids THEY make the DAY 1 challenge amazing then 2 weeks later when everyones leveled up the raids are completable
thin current
u have to shoot the green spot to disable his healing
manic pasture
in division the raid is UNBEATABLE at max GEAR SCORE
U need 8 PERFECTLY CORDINATED FULLY masterworked builds
rapid robin
it's not unbeatable lol..
manic pasture
in order to compete w t f
rapid robin
did you see the world 1st down record? it's a freakin mess..
rapid robin
they down the 1st boss without any coordination and whithout using computer on the middle
manic pasture
what does that say for the average player
the mechanics arent the problem
its like the devs didnt even play the raid
narrow vortex
weve been playing for the whole time since it dropped and we have only managed to get 3 armour bars down like wtf
manic pasture
ur just bad tbh... I gave it a shot for 2 hrs and we got him to 1/3 HP
after that it got way 2 hard
but I C ur point... raid is 2 hard for ur AVERAGE player
Needed a couple more FINE tuning from the devs
maybe next patch EM i rit...
flat nimbus
So WF is done, can anyone still play raid?
tender hollow
LF2M Raid Ch20 Lucy and Buddy boss (3'rd area)
blazing elk
so a raid takes like 6 hours plus?
unreal fulcrum
I feel like boomer needs a little nurfing or at least stop the MOB spawning after a while
wooden nacelle
First encounter is basically just a big test on your damage. If you can't get mobs under control you can't safely damage Boomer once the minigunner shoots his backpack
woeful pine
Its no fun.
unreal fulcrum
True itβs just get so irritating to co ordinate damage to bomber when people are being downed by the mobs, I just feel like they should spawn less or remove 1 or 2 of them per wave
Thatβs just my opinion
wooden nacelle
You will never have time to clear the room and then damage him
Just gotta get the elites out of the way
compact ridge
Its completly fine imo
If you move as 8 from 1 side of the room to the other side while 1 is running away from boomer 1 is using the minigun an the other 6 clear the room its kinda easy
wooden nacelle
Yea
You got the guy getting aggro and the guy on the minigun, everyone else on add control
Ideally you swap the two because Boomer aggros the minigunner on a successful backpack break
unreal fulcrum
Iβll give it a try with my team later, thanks for the advice
wooden nacelle
Besides that there's also calling out the laptops
That's really it for the first encounter
unreal fulcrum
Yer we got that part down
wooden nacelle
Its jsut stupid silly Boomer's melee range
compact ridge
2 Guys who maintain the minigun 3 Guys for the laptops youΒ΄ll need those roles
shut sigil
Yes
compact ridge
Then play like I stated above
shut sigil
His range is total bs
compact ridge
Furthermore you have to tell the runner that he has to shoot the healing of his chest
wooden nacelle
If you are on the airport side instead of the shops you can use the rows of chairs to mantle and avoid boomer
Makes it really easy to be chased
unreal fulcrum
Yer we got that down I think itβs just people accuracy that is the problem
wooden nacelle
Yea the runner needs to keep an eye on his healing pack and shoot it when able
The other 2 fights after that aren't as complicated
Really big hurdle for the first stage
manic pasture
@faint ocean
frozen coral
inv for raid
manic pasture
yea its not possible
sleek vale
Is the first boss just super hard, or were my first two groups really bad?
rocky granite
healing is kinda annoying, other than that, it's possible, even for randoms
sleek vale
Gotcha. Guess I'll just wait till tomorrow when people are a little more coordinated
bold hound
Tried for 4 hours, best the group i was in did was get the first armor bar down
vital carbon
π matchmaking rip
uncut pagoda
is there a big focus on raid composition? need a skill build, healer/support etc?
pastel forge
You need very high damage otherwise the NPCs will fuck you up
thick gull
i figured i could use a healing build to keep others up
bold hound
Yeah same, was running reinforcer chem launcher and mender seekers. But that wasn't enough
pastel forge
Yeah same here I need a very good dps build I barely take elites bar on my own
bold hound
And other people were running fixer or reinforcer as well with a damage skill
uncut pagoda
nice... my dps build should be good then
shut sigil
Is there a group that finished the raid on console ? Or is it just the ones on PC
pastel forge
I don't think healer is great unless they make a set bonus for it
thick gull
ive only ever heard of ppl beating the raid on console, but nothing on the leaderboards
downside is that i only have skill builds
marble abyss
So I saw the time the 1st group finished.
5 hours damn like how.
You got to have your whole day cleared irl and planned for that raid lol
bold hound
I heard someone PC on cleared it (MarcoStyles iirc) but can't confirm
thick gull
Marcos ground and a group of Germans i think?
bold hound
Jesemin (xbox player) tried for 8 hours amd was stuck on the same part i was on
thick gull
i watched Marcos group get worlds 1st
marble abyss
Saw on twitter. With solidfps
shut sigil
Yeah but no one on console yet xd
marble abyss
That's a long time to be trying. what if something comes up irl, you're just sol
thick gull
what if u had to take a piss fam
pastel forge
Ppl on console doesn't have a great builds at all they need to fix their builds
Lol you can just let your team wait for you at cp
XD
bold hound
Me and the group i was in took breaks every once in awhile to eat, drink or use the bathroom.
thick gull
i only got to boomer so far
bold hound
I think thats what most people are on
marble abyss
IDK exactly how the raid work so, there's Parts in between for breaks
pastel forge
They don't know the strategy this is why most are stuck there
bold hound
Yeah, at the start of the Boomer checkpoint it doesn't start until you shoot the immortality machines @marble abyss
vital carbon
i wonder if you need high armor to counter the gas phase
pastel forge
After a couple of days it will be a piece of cake
shut sigil
I hope so lol
vital carbon
it'll be a piece of cake for players who done it
pastel forge
Yup just wait for it
bold hound
Yeah, i think we're gonna get guides in a few days more than likely
At this point i think there's no strat, everyone just improvises right now
vital carbon
there is already one, but it doesn't explain indepth.
tender hollow
I was on 1st boss but some team mates just weren't listening making it impossible
Wss really fun to fight that boss for 4.5 hours
pastel forge
It is good and bad to see guides because you'll spoiler the raid for yourself but it's good overall
uncut pagoda
4.5 hours, one boss.... can you resume progress... lets say if you kill first boss, can you come back next night and continue on, or need to clear it again?
vital carbon
if you want to complete the raid and it's ur first time, spoiling isnt an option.
pastel forge
Why would you do that lol
bold hound
I think if all members are at the same point you can @uncut pagoda
pastel forge
Yeah
bold hound
The tarmac section isn't so hard imo
Its the boomer fight that's getting on my nerves atm
vital carbon
compare raiding for the entire 10 hours without looking at guides and complete the raid within 4 hours.
pastel forge
You'll face two bosses at once after boomer I think
Nobody wants that I get your point
bold hound
I heard someone say Boomer is the easiest fight
If he is...i don't wanna see the other bosses lol
vital carbon
just gonna say in the Boomer boss fight, if your first objective is ad clear and then focus on the boss. You might defeat it.
bold hound
True, even if it was a he or attack helicopter. They still piss me off all the same
pastel forge
I saw a steamer cleared all the adds it was easy just get her in the middle & easy kill
vital carbon
My clan did that and we couldn't get the boss down to half armor
because the ads kept respawning and the objective is shifted to the ads not the boss.
so we stack on one side of the turrent and down the boss to do damage else we all have to split up and lose dps
pastel forge
Idk the full strategy there but the adds stop respawning for a bit after you kill all of them so you get a chance to focuse on her
vital carbon
for a bit, which means you have to reclear and waste time and until a certain minute the boss will wreck the first 41 turrent.
pastel forge
I think focusing on one side better than splitting, we did some damage to her but we couldn't keep up because of low damage we had
bold hound
Yeah, i've been hearing that a high dps dte build would work
What about a true patriot build?
pastel forge
I was having 60% DTE and rest all to weapon damage but nope didn't help
I heard it's good at her but haven't tried it myself
hidden python
TP would only work on the third boss fight
pastel forge
Good thing we have loadouts
hidden python
Even then its to situational because the bosses move away from each other to much
TP still useless
the only benefit you would really have is the CD reduction 
pastel forge
Haven't beaten boomer yet so I don't know about the others
hidden python
The raid does a pretty poor job by pretty much forcing the entire group into dps roles though imo. with literally a sudden death timer on the first boss as well as gradual increase in difficulty on the third...
pastel forge
Did guys know if the exotic ar 100% drop for completing the raid or as usual farming for it
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Ikr we need support builds but we can't make it happened like before @hidden python
woven vortex
if you leave a raid, and start a new one, can you just go to your checkpoint
vital carbon
I think new one would reset the entire raid, but you can leave mid game
woven vortex
oo kk
vital carbon
I have no hope for MM even in destiny 2
brazen onyx
looking for 5 players for the raid DM me if you want to join
bold hound
Everyone gangsta till they reach the first raid boss
pastel forge
Congrats that's so fucking long lol
bold hound
Bruh i tried for for hours and managed to get one bar down
I wonder if one day some crazy guy will do this solo
hidden python
you can literally not play the mission solo
cyan crater
Anyone on PS4 ready to raid?
fluid perch
Anyone got worlds first?
faint ocean
marco
even having a average build
you can get through till lucy and buddy
lucy and buddy is a straight up dps check
which makes sense cause it tests you for last encounter
flat nimbus
Oh
dapper gate
How's the Raid going for everyone?
cinder prairie
pugged up and got the first boss down after about 3-4 hours
best looter shooter raid ive done, and the second boss, what we saw of it, is one of the better boss fights across genres
hidden python
The last Phase is brutal though... i also dont like the time limit on the first one... turrets should not be destroyable
cinder prairie
just gotta plan it out a bit
dapper gate
How many bosses are there in the Raid? 4 right?
cinder prairie
yeah
dapper gate
lol
hidden python
2 on the third
cinder prairie
xD
dapper gate
ah yea watched Marco's stream until the lucy and buddy encounter then i went off lol
hidden python
im pretty sure they will tune the raid down though
cinder prairie
i really really hope not
none of us had gear that was optimised that much
just good pieces averagin like, 490-500, but nothing min maxed that much
dapper gate
how long did it take your team to complete it? @cinder prairie
cinder prairie
and the difficulty feels perfect, 3-4 hours on the first boss, then we spent about an hour on the second before people had to call it and go sleep and stuff
dapper gate
ah
hidden python
imo the DPS checks are way to harsh though
cinder prairie
i dont really get the idea that the first boss is a dps check tbh, once our group had our strategy down, it just became about not messing up, and then the boss died
we just aimed to get 1-2 bars down each time the boss went down, so had people still focussing adds when we dps'd the boss
rocky vigil
FIX THE RAID!
hidden python
i dont like the idea that the Turrets can get destroyed that easily and you have no option to repair them
cinder prairie
its just an enrage mechanic
without enrage mechanics, boss fights are just really open to cheese
thats why they exist in mmo's
our group didnt havent anyone running any really optimised loadout or anything, and we got through it fine once we'd learnt the fight and got a pull where we didnt mess up too much
hidden python
- the Enrage mechanic feels to inconsistent
- there seems to be a time limit at which the boss just roflstomps the turrets and you cant stop him from doing it
cinder prairie
a time limit is what an enrage mechanic is
our kill the boss broke one turret at about 25-30% health
so we just all went to the other turret side, defended that location, kept the laptops being activated, and after two more times downing the boss, we had the kill
might have been 3, it had like, 1% of a bar left going into the last dps on the boss xD
hidden python
i kinda wish they actually had MM just for people to see how bad that would be lul
hidden python
i mean maybe it was people in my group that literally did no damage to the boss
faint ocean
lucy and buddy is a dps check for the entire team because it require all the players to have decent dps to wittle down both at the same time
cinder prairie
me and my freind stopped playing a few weeks after release, because we were just waiting for the raid and it got delayed and stuff
we literally patched, loaded the game, got a group through a discord of pugs
hidden python
Lucy and Buddy require more of trigger control and coordination than raw dps imo
cinder prairie
and 4 hours later had the first boss down
faint ocean
most people that came back
dont have the gear because the raid was delayed and we stopped playing
cinder prairie
but same for us, like we didnt get that great gear
its just about strategy, i think people were expecting a destiny 2 style raid
mechanic, then dps, then mechanic, and aren't use to the more mmo approach of, mechanic and dps all together
the strategy they're using honestly isn't that great imo, at least from a quick glance
we had 2 people on each turret, then the other 4 roamed for adds, but mainly stayed int he center, because it gave enough los to hit anything, and kept them near for laptops/health thing on his chest
having 2 on each turret meant adds could never swarm a turret, and there was always at least one person ready to use it to kill adds/hit the boss
as soon as theres no one near a turret for like, 5 seconds, adds will just end up swarming the location and make the fight 10x harder