division-universe

[sick lantern]

the fucking ghost pings >:(

[ashen jungle]

nah someone sent something then deleted it, it happens.

[sick lantern]

I know

very annoying

[sleek plover]

guilty, just made a crosby<->cosby semi pun and thought it was too much

[sleek plover]

So would waiting for new content in div 2 a lost cause?

[clever horizon]

New content in div 2?? Nice Joke

[sleek plover]

we live in a society

[winter nimbus]

Rumours are all that are around. And click bait.

[ashen jungle]

https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/next-division-2-update-will-introduce-new-game-mode

official word as of June: https://twitter.com/TheDivisionGame/status/1401932020461228035?s=20

[west dock]

Aka
Lmao idk

[ashen jungle]

MSV are well known for saying as little as humanly possible then just dropping content with bugger-all warning.
WONY announcement dropped with only a month to release.

[west dock]

Maybe it'll be an awesome drop that they're tying to keep secret like BFVs pacific theater to build up hype.

[ashen jungle]

honestly, I'm letting myself into the hype for this one.
they need something good to help build up steam for Heartland and they know it.

[west dock]

We'll just have to wait and see.

[woven basalt]

not necessarily, they have until the end of the year before theyve gone back on their word.

until then, im just gonna keep this rage bottled up

[ashen jungle]

I believe the word is "around the end of the year", so if it's up to March 2022 I wouldn't be shocked.
MSV like their anniversary.

[woven basalt]

"late 2021 release"

wait, was there an update

hold on let me check out that tweet

nvm

i was hoping there was something new, i keep visiting the same may article over and over and over again.

it was the last time we got a decent info dump

[ashen jungle]

knowing MSV and their habit of saying basically nothing until the 11th hour, I wouldn't be shocked if we didn't get notice until November for a christmas release date.

[floral ivy]

Were you guys talking about Heartlands or upcoming new content on D2?

[woven basalt]

kinda both, we're supposed to more news (we're hoping for HL) before the new content drops "late 2021".

[round sinew]

Did they really name something "Lost Cause?"

Okay, no, they didn't. That's good.

[sleek plover]

Would division factions counting JTF/SHD as one of them have a christmas truce on christmas?

Honorable Mentions: @tepid ibex @sick lantern

[tepid ibex]

I don't think so. It wouldn't be like that one time the British and the Germans came together and played football. And Rikers wouldn't want to hold true to the truce imo

[sick lantern]

yea, the factions outright hate each other

[brave locust]

can't we all just get along?

like unusual hostile firearm teams

or whatever they are called

[sick lantern]

fireteams

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireteam

[brave locust]

i was trying to be fancy

i don't abbreviate

ever

[spare arrow]

(Don't)

[woven basalt]

i wouldnt lump the SHD with JTF.

SHD actually gets stuff done

[brave locust]

lol

[round sinew]

No. /thread

[dense edge]

Does the pettable dog have a name?

[sick lantern]

Broxton I believe also yes le epic wholesome funni cute doggo

[dense edge]

That's adorable.

Thank you.

[tiny wraith]

And if you find the cat you can play with it

[lost lark]

theres a cat?

[dense edge]

Really? A cat too?

[ashen jungle]

😻 .

[round sinew]

Cats are bottom-tier pets.

I'm not sure they're even a "pet" at all.

Now a dog? That's real shit.

[winter nimbus]

Shut up, you are stupid. Capybaras are the real ones.

[round sinew]

There can be more than one real shit.

I'm only arguing cats aren't in that dogegory.

[winter nimbus]

You right.

[round sinew]

Lizards and birds are also real shit.

Plants and fish are honourable mentions. They can't really love you, but since they're so low maintenance, they get a pass.

[sleek plover]

I want a swarm of piranhas

like seriously, its a popular exotic fish

[dense edge]

I got to pet a gator recently. I called him a little murder machine.

[winter nimbus]

call him crunch munch

[tiny wraith]

If your petting the dog from time to time the cat will show up and you can play with it

Or if you look to the 1 wall and see TONS of butterflies it'll wander out

And yes its at haven

All in the same area

[sick lantern]

@sleek plover
https://youtu.be/ExxtpJtDFs4

[sleek plover]

Well, white tusks are technically non canon

i think they are just mixed in among the btsu

but I hope to see exlusively ex-lmb composed unit of BT we can destroy and humiliate

[gaunt ice]

LMB beats Black Tusk in terms of raw combat skills,you can see them using actual tactics in D1

BTSU are just those IT nerds who knows a bit of combat to me

exceptions being the chunga and the sniper

[ashen jungle]

BTSU are the special forces of Black Tusk, they're the best fighters they have.

BTSU: "Black Tusk Special Unit".

[gaunt ice]

ikr?but they still seem...idk,a bit less professional than LMB?

yeah they rappel down from helicopters,what else?

[sick lantern]

the black tusk are a fuckin circus compared to the LMB

lEtS sPaRk iT uP tHeN bUrN iT dOwN

[gaunt ice]

The LMB is the original tf141,and BTSU is the rebooted one lol

[ashen jungle]

I feel a lot of the "Black Tusk sucks" attitude comes from the fact that in Div1 the Agents were kinda scrambling from one fire to another, and in div2 we're more prepared lore-wise but also WAY stronger gameplay-wise.

[mint citrus]

I can see where that comes from

In D1 the LMB could straight run your fade if you weren't careful

In D2 the BT do kinda feel like chumps even with all their fancy equipment

[ashen jungle]

imagine the LMB in div1 if we had access to the Spec Tree's and an FMJ build.

[mint citrus]

Wouldn't even be a challenge

[sick lantern]

in terms of general writing the black tusk are straight up clowns, for example the capacitor’s flavour text, the crappy echo of them observing the white house, and isn’t one of them called “Swamp Ass”

[ashen jungle]

The Capacitor text reads to me more like one of them is a little insane, which kinda seems fair enough after 90% of humanity gets wiped out by a plague.
people screw around when it's down-time, but you rarely see them doing that during a fire-fight.

[ashen jungle]

and yeah, you don't choose your nickname.
the BT solider might be the biggest badass of all time, but just one time they forgot the deodorant and now that's their nickname for good.

[sick lantern]

the BT are just presented a lot less seriously than the LMB
every LMB boss in Div 1 was just (rank) (surname) or a rogue agent with a proper callsign, which very much contrasts the black tusk names like Buddy and Lucy, Max “Boomer” Bailey and indeed Swamp Ass

[ashen jungle]

I mean, there is something to that.
div2 does have more of a personality than 1 had, which I do appreciate.

[sick lantern]

a bad personality ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ashen jungle]

I mean, at least 2 doesn't take itself so seriously with the usual video-game tropes and stuff.
there's a bit of it sure, but it's much more tolerable in 2.

[woven basalt]

theres just more general levity in div2

[ashen jungle]

^

[woven basalt]

not just the BT

one of the reasons why the tone in div1 is so good

[ashen jungle]

exact opposite for me.
I've seen the grim-dark stuff be done, I'm tired of it at that point.
div2 is far from cartoony as some might say, but it's a good balance of darkness and levity.

[sick lantern]

I feel Div 2 doesn’t take itself remotely seriously enough, I’m not saying I want it to be full grimdark but Div 1 struck a much better balance between bleakness and hopefulness, whereas Div 2 feels like they just didn’t want to try too hard

[ashen jungle]

as i said before, the gap in time explains a lot of that for me. In div1, the initial outbreak was still super recent, most people were super unsure if anyone was gonna make it out alive, there were still randoms wandering the streets, looting, etc.

by the time div2 came around, the world had settled down again. People were actually feeling like there was a life after the end-times. Just look at the Post Office compared to some place like The Theatre.

[sick lantern]

intention does not make it a good thing

[ashen jungle]

what?

[sick lantern]

they tried to go for a different vibe yes, but that doesn’t mean it was a good idea

[ashen jungle]

i literally just wrote a small paragraph on why I think it did work, not that it was a "vibe".

[sick lantern]

you’re not understanding

[woven basalt]

tone didnt clash too much in div2 imo

not like fc5. where you had gta style humor in side missions and a serious plot in the story missions

[ashen jungle]

then try and explain it from your perspective.

[woven basalt]

think sometimes this just happens when theres a lot of writers

[ashen jungle]

oh god, fc5 really ticked me off. Especially the ending.

[sick lantern]

they went for something different and it didn’t work too well simple as

[ashen jungle]

Yes that is in your opinion, that however, is not my opinion.

[reef dust]

Clancy had input in 1 why it was more in line with other Clancy games

Y 2 isn't as punishing going off mission imo

[sick lantern]

clancy was fuckin dead tho

[woven basalt]

ive heard people say he had a hand in the development before he passed

[reef dust]

👆

[sick lantern]

first time I’m hearing about this

[woven basalt]

someone said something in another server

but i couldnt find much online

[sick lantern]

what server 👀

[reef dust]

I've heard that certain things had to be met for the sign off

[woven basalt]

apparently the novel broken dawn is named after clancy's premise

but again, idk

[reef dust]

But div 2 was soley in the hand of his family which don't give a flying fuck about" the feel"

[woven basalt]

just heard it.

[reef dust]

👆

Never seen anything official but would make sense

[woven basalt]

the clancyverse and tom clancy's rights are different
his family hasnt been a part of tom clancy's for a long long time

[sick lantern]

I would’ve put it down to just different creative direction and/or meddling from investors

[woven basalt]

meanwhile, i think his widow is still fighting over clancyverse rights

[reef dust]

That's interesting

[woven basalt]

yeah, even now, cant really find anything on it

i always assumed the devs were remixing the rainbow six novel

then when someone told me that its based on a protonovel called broken dawn, i assumed it was clancy doing clancy

like how he echos stuff from his older novels sometimes

[gaunt ice]

You know I take it as them being pretty chill so it’s cool

[mint citrus]

Yeah, the LMB are more professional/run like an actual army

Hell, the Intrepid was/is their staging ground, iirc

It was in one of the ECHOs

Bliss took no shit

Which is in contrast to Bardon Schaeffer and the members of his squad

You see it in the mission when you kill Heads and Tails

Heads loses her sister and her nerve, Bardon tries to rope her back in but she disregards orders

Same with Wyvern

And attempting to blow up the White House

[woven basalt]

bliss ran a cult of personality

in that regard, its a shame about his demise.

it made him the most dangerous faction leader

[sleek plover]

Either way, both are evil. Period.

[full fox]

Like how Faye sees the Division as being evil?

[sleek plover]

They defied democracy, freedom and everything america stand for, and im speaking in a viewpoint of a div agent. they are fascists, period.

[sick lantern]

it was in an evidence video but nothing came of that in game until way later in 1.8 (considering that and the LMB details that were there when accessed out of the map earlier, that’s why I believe Falcon Lost was supposed to be set there)

[warped iris]

not evil just ineffective

[gaunt ice]

still you can't deny they get the job done

the jtf is completely useless

an iron fist might not be ideal but like the SHD motto:extremis malis extrema remedia

Desperate times call for desperate measures

[sick lantern]

the LMB opposition was certainly a factor in how ineffective the JTF were though

bit of a self fulfilling prophecy

[gaunt ice]

take it this way:jtf cannot function properly without the help of the LMB,which is proved immediately when LMB goes dark

a government response unit is worse than a PMC

div 2 gets away since Black Tusk had preparations beforehand with sabotaging the SHD and forces being stretched thin,plus Ridgeway going off grid definitely doesn't help

[sick lantern]

well yea, the national guard and kinda the cops are the only ones in the JTF with any sort of preparation for that level of crisis situation, the paramedics, firefighters, civilian volunteers, fucking animal control even lol, would be in a bit over their heads but they still gave it a good go

which contrasts the LMB which are well trained, ex military and spec ops mostly, with very advanced gear

and more pragmatic rules of engagement

[gaunt ice]

are you saying they didn't send enough men to NYC?

[sick lantern]

they probably could’ve sent some reinforcements when things got as dire as we arrived to

[gaunt ice]

but they didn't

[sick lantern]

coulda woulda shoulda

[gaunt ice]

so in the grand scheme of things,they still suck at their job

just think,they nearly lost to a bunch of rioters

[sick lantern]

they did their job to the best of their ability, but I doubt they were trained all too well enough to be short on supplies, man power, having no air support, trying not to die of smallpox,

[gaunt ice]

air support?we're not bombing civvies or nuking the strongholds,why would we need them?
i'm saying that they were ill-prepared and they didn't call for more help from the states

[sick lantern]

air superiority will always be a very useful trait

[gaunt ice]

to some extent they do have airdrops

[sick lantern]

they have a few transport helicopters but no infrastructure to make great use of them, they were probably expecting to have apaches and F-18s

the fact of the matter is they did their best in an unexpectedly hostile environment

[gaunt ice]

i do agree they've tried their best,but the fact that they didn't get any more support other than some fucking wristwatch guy,whose first group turns on them and 80% of the second group dies in a helicopter just baffles me

[late void]

First group only turned on them because they pulled back and abandoned them in the DZ

[gaunt ice]

oh yeah that also,which make things worse

[sick lantern]

first wave agents have never heard of a tactical retreat

[gaunt ice]

and whose fault is that i wonder?

[late void]

I don't think they had a choice? There was something about if they had retreated too they would have been declared rogue or something

[sick lantern]

theirs for being egotistical and power hungry

[gaunt ice]

not every first wave agents are Keener you know?

yes they did go rogue but that was only because the JTF abandoned them

[sick lantern]

true, most of them are just the latter ecksdee

the JTF didn’t abandon shit besides equipment, they didn’t leave anyone (alive) behind
in fact they forced people who wanted to stay to come with them

[gaunt ice]

any comms?

[sick lantern]

there’s an ECHO in Div 1 where the JTF are pulling out of somewhere, someone says “after all our work we’re leaving?”, he fights back and gets shot iirc

[gaunt ice]

that's like 1 instance,vs a bunch of comms consist of agents saying the opposite

[sick lantern]

well, those are retcons aren’t they :p let’s be honest

[gaunt ice]

ok did i miss something?
also,sup Rivens

[ashen jungle]

Ubisoft had total control over the license from 2008 onwards, so it's unlikely that he had to "sign off" on anything.

[ashen jungle]

hey Park

icymi: https://www.wired.com/2008/03/ubisoft-picks-u/

[gaunt ice]

it's kinda weird you calling me that but ok,it was me who used that name anyway

[sick lantern]

Div 2 retcons 1 a fair bit(ie Dragov and the Rikers), rogue agents being put in a catch-22 and having some little bit of justification is one of them

[ashen jungle]

I go by the current name, I forget OG names sometimes.

[gaunt ice]

thanh

[ashen jungle]

was getting kinda old.

[gaunt ice]

i mean,within div 1 there are comms of agents saying how the jtf failed them

[gaunt ice]

that was my bad too

[ashen jungle]

nah all good, I'll probably forget once I stop the pain meds.

[ashen jungle]

Yeah that's to do with them being locked in the DZ and being left for dead.

[gaunt ice]

that doesn't sound pleasant

[sick lantern]

they failed their objective, there was nothing personal or targeted about it

[ashen jungle]

it's not, but I'm recovering.

[gaunt ice]

hope you get better soon

[gaunt ice]

thing is,the JTF still failed,losing not just a massive area,but also a greal ally

[ashen jungle]

🙂
thanks for the kind words there.

[gaunt ice]

alot of the rogues there are motivated by revenge

[sick lantern]

revenge on the JTF is stupid cus the JTF morally did little/nothing wrong (in the instance of the dark zone at least)

[ashen jungle]

Well there is some evidence of them screwing up the deployment of the whole situation, but to be fair to them no one was doing the best possible job at that stage.
things were going to hell fast.

[gaunt ice]

morally yes they did nothing wrong,but doesn't change the fact they still abandoned them

no one,and i mean no one in the entirety of the first wave got out of DZ

how can they fuck that up?not even 1 guy?

[sick lantern]

as we’ve already established they didn’t abandon any of their ranks, SHD agents included, they don’t just leave their own members to die
and if they did leave any agents behind it would only because they knew they were capable of navigating a few city blocks of their own accord

[gaunt ice]

someone missed the memo

the agents can't go through the wall because the watch would tag them as abandoning the mission

and that's because the jtf did not give them the news

[sick lantern]

that’s a retcon and a bad one at that

[gaunt ice]

it was established in the original game too

i mean,before wony you really think all of them just go evil and no one thought of escaping?

[ashen jungle]

I do seem to remember it being said that the first wave "couldn't" leave the DZ after it was set up.
although IIRC (it's been a long time tho) that was because their mission was to stay in there, and leaving would turn them Rogue.

[sick lantern]

not until the first game that’s for sure
and if the JTF issued orders for their personnel to pull out, SHD agents wouldn’t be rogue if they did so because they would be following their mission

[ashen jungle]

remember: going Rogue isn't "turning evil", it's just going off-mission. Our Agent could go Rogue by refusing to travel to D.C., for instance.
there does seem to be a certain level of "rogue" where you maybe get a chance, otherwise the Agent at the Pentagon would have one too 'cause she stayed behind. Hmm, food for thought.

[gaunt ice]

their mission is to assist the JTF,in this case holding the DZ before it becomes the DZ we know today.But some fucks forgot to tell the agents,so their objective wasn't updated

[sick lantern]

miscommunication in a crisis situation, how surprising

[gaunt ice]

not a single agent got out or heard the news.that's how bad they are

[sick lantern]

except that’s straight up not true, there was like twenty to thirty plus first wave agents who made it out of the dz

[gaunt ice]

i guess it works on a priority system,like if your area is not secure then you'd be allowed to not answer to the call

[gaunt ice]

huh,and where are they now?

never heard of

[sick lantern]

rogue, killed by rogues, or missing/abandoned the mission

[gaunt ice]

i don't recall any comms talking about that one

[sick lantern]

there’s the evidence of Keener and Scarecrow in Div 1 saying they and the JTF shouldn’t have pulled out of the dark zone, minutes before they go rogue proper

[cold bramble]

Agent Dunne is canonically a NYC First Wave Agent that survived all the way to get to DC

[ashen jungle]

I think that maybe it's deliberately vague, div2 does have a lot of "grey canon", so to speak.
I like that actually, allows us a touch of head-canon in places.

[sick lantern]

there’s the echo of the first wave agents who wouldn’t go rogue so keener killed them

theres all the missing agents in one who’s fates are unknown (if they vanished before or after the dz fiasco)

[gaunt ice]

so 3 got out.
still a massive failure but better than zero i guess?

[gaunt ice]

missing agents?i guess they operate outside of DZ?

[cold bramble]

We also have Merchant/Koopman, whose capacity or position in the Division is unknown

[sick lantern]

Keener and his comrades weren’t marked rogue when they were inside the dark zone

[gaunt ice]

...what?

[gaunt ice]

i'm sure Keener decided to go rogue inside the DZ,he kinda snapped by then

[cold bramble]

The author of the survival guide you see in 1 (and could buy IRL)

[gaunt ice]

the wony trailer kinda shows it,though div 2 fucks with the lore a bit

[ashen jungle]

I do like physical lore like that.
I bought something like that for fallout 3, loved it.

[sick lantern]

there’s video evidence of him, outside the dark zone, and not a rogue

[cold bramble]

Broken Dawn establishes that he is dug in in a DZ safehouse

[gaunt ice]

that's new,gonna check it out

[gaunt ice]

1.where?
2.maybe it was before he went into the dz?

[sick lantern]

in Div 1, evidence video you get after beating Police Academy
they’re explicitly talking about how they shouldn’t have pulled out of the DZ

[gaunt ice]

i don't think that's Keener?

[sick lantern]

it’s the first time he convinces anyone else to go rogue, at the same time he officially does

[sick lantern]

it is, him and Scarecrow

[gaunt ice]

it doesn't sound too right

[sick lantern]

it would be pretty odd if it’s the mission with Keener in an echo killing agents for not being rogue and then you get a video of someone convincing someone to go rogue similarly but it isn’t Keener

bruh he has Keener’s voice

[gaunt ice]

i...did not realise that

so ok,some got out

like,1% of the total

[sick lantern]

shit tons of them made it out it’s not like they were being shot at 24/7

are many of the manhunt sub-targets in 2 not first wave agents

and they have a description like “went rogue after bombing a blah blah blah” and not “went rogue inside the dark zone”

[gaunt ice]

it was established somewhere that the majority of the first wave didn't got out

[ashen jungle]

at least one is a rich kid who I truly enjoyed thrashing.

[sick lantern]

Felix “Kestril” Sokolov?

[ashen jungle]

that's the little rich brat.

[gaunt ice]

the brat only got in the team because his sister is the big boss

[sick lantern]

presumably

a small amount of them died in the dark zone or elsewhere, on record
some abandoned the mission for personal reasons and vanished
some went rogue and vanished
some did neither and got “vanished” by rogue agents or the factions (ie Times Square agents, Noble Squad)
point is, the dark zone was never this massive tragedy for the JTF/SHD, a few of them probably died there but it was a tactical decision not a “everyone’s dead oh god oh fuck” decision

[gaunt ice]

i have no qualm killing that virgin

[woven basalt]

youd think that was common knowledge, but (while failing to find any involvement of clancy in the game) i kept seeing people say "the family" sold the rights to the games "on his death".

[brave locust]

You can go into Warren Merchant's apartment deal

I've been in there actually

https://imgur.com/a/MsoDvFi

[sick lantern]

wow i never knew

where is that

[sleek plover]

The so called "Iron fist" is a crime like any other.
By adopting so, it would be like introducing cancer to cure a common flu.
IMO, LMB are worst than rikers.
Rikers are just plain evil, LMB are the very epitome of evil.

[gaunt ice]

that also depends,not everything the division does is legal

[sick lantern]

the LMB at least have a concept of a greater good, rikers are just selfish

[sleek plover]

The LMB are oppressors, SHD fights for democratic system.

Also the SHD system immediately turns the agent rogue if they hurt civilians. LMB? they enslave them.

Rikers are just plain criminals, but LMB are oppressors, they are the worst breed of criminals among all else.

Their intentions are irrelevant, no matter the fact if they have good initial intentions, the only thing a tyrant deserves is their severed head

[sick lantern]

that’s a terrible mindset

[gaunt ice]

wrong,you stay out of their way and they can give you a safe place to stay until the shit show's over,which is assuming the agents haven't nuke the UN yet

they don't enslave you

[sleek plover]

Safe space where you ar beaten to death just bt staring at them

or just by coughing

[gaunt ice]

nope,didn't happen

[sleek plover]

its a common police state measure

[gaunt ice]

extreme countermeasures

but that's a cleaner thing,not lmb

[sick lantern]

if you do what an LMB says, you’ll probably live
if you do or don’t do what a Riker says, you almost definitely die

[sleek plover]

it is LMB thing, they do that according to in-game dialogue

I rather die fighting against the oppressors a free man.

Freedom is a right, liberty is a given.

[gaunt ice]

nah where did they say that?

[sleek plover]

the wiki

[gaunt ice]

that's like,1% of them

[sleek plover]

Coughing? Sorry I got orders to put you down. - Seeing Civilian

Got a fever? Sorry got orders to put you down. - Seeing Civilian

Put that mutt down. - Seeing a dog

[gaunt ice]

you do realise there are dipshits here and then right?

[gaunt ice]

like i said,extreme countermeasures,like cleaners

[sleek plover]

Im. not saying rikers are not evil, just LMB are the worst among the devils.

[sick lantern]

not even remotely

[gaunt ice]

not even close

[sleek plover]

I do think humanity going extinct due to green poison than having LMB rule is a much better fate

[gaunt ice]

they're actually the second least evil out of all the factions

[sleek plover]

imo the most least evil faction among the evil ones are rioters and outcasts

[gaunt ice]

outcasts are selfish dipshits

[sleek plover]

rioters are basically civilians who are beyond their breaking point, outcasts, well, they deserve vengeance. they turned evil because they harmed the innocent

[gaunt ice]

rioters are the same but more understandable

[sick lantern]

Outcasts are probably the most evil

[sleek plover]

The Black Tusks, LMB, True Sons, and Cleaners are the worst among all the factions

[gaunt ice]

rikers go first,outcast second

[sick lantern]

unless you’re a nihilist or something similar

[sleek plover]

anarcho-communist, but enough real life politics

[sick lantern]

Outcasts are just rikers but they also infect people with the green poison so they’re worse

[sleek plover]

Outcasts are victims who deserve justice, than they crossed the line when harming civilian things happen

[gaunt ice]

selfish motivations of wanting revenge vs people who want to make things right/back to where it was before but flawed executions

[sleek plover]

Rikers do have the righteous message, to take back everything that was stolend by the elites of society. But that is just a pretense behind their looting of the weak. Just like how LMB"protects" people

[gaunt ice]

lmao retcon riker

original rikers just want to kill

[sleek plover]

at least thats what larae claimed

[gaunt ice]

Larae is a manipulative leader,plus that's just fancy talking

[sleek plover]

fancy talking indeed, just like how LMB "protects" people

[gaunt ice]

murderers,rapists,killers suddenly all feel like society mistreated them?doubt it

[gaunt ice]

in which they do

[sick lantern]

but the LMB does actually protect people
if you’re outside of LMB territory and you come across Cleaners or Rikers, they’ll want your blood
if you’re in LMB territory then that just won’t happen, LMB do protect people from the factions

[sleek plover]

Thet oppress them, put you into internment camps

also seen echoes where civilian is killed because he refused to wear LMB imposed uniforms

[sick lantern]

and Rikers slit your throat and stuff you in a kitchen sink while they shoot your friend for playing piano off-key

[sleek plover]

Like I said I am not defending Rikers

I just think fascists are worse than regular criminals and psychopaths

[gaunt ice]

on the tier list of most evil i think lmb stops at like,C tier best

[sleek plover]

The only good factions are basically SHD, JTF and civilians

Even tho JTF were useless, I rather would have incopetent democracy than efficient tyranny all the way

And about the dipshits LMB kills? Yeah according to the audio file their was this one guy who took a dump. in a water supply and LMB killed him.

Yeah water is a crucial survival resource and what he did was just moronic

But JTF argues that those people need help, not a bullet on their brain.

[sick lantern]

they do but in the middle of the end of the world is neither the time nor place

[gaunt ice]

it's really fucking stupid let's be real

[sleek plover]

I rather see the world end rather than have LMB rule.

[sick lantern]

Most people would rather not die

[gaunt ice]

a bullet to the head is too much,but a bullet to both legs...i don't disagree

[sleek plover]

I would rather die a free man than a living slave

[sick lantern]

Most people wouldn’t

[gaunt ice]

plus,as long as you're proven yourself to be harmless you should be ok,unless you pose a threat or just being a sack of weight to them like the guy who shits on the water supply

[sleek plover]

Harmless and submissive, no matter how things would be the LMB are nothing but self righteous tyrants

[gaunt ice]

they have the right idea,but terrible executions

[sleek plover]

Cleaners too, are just self righteous murderers.
At least outcasts suffered

Like I said, Right idea does not matter.

[gaunt ice]

cleaners did what they believed to be true

[sleek plover]

they are just as self righteous as the LMB are

and for the last time, the only faction that are basically worthy of being defended is JTF, SHD and civs

[gaunt ice]

we're talking about the least evil bad guy faction here

[sleek plover]

The closest thing to seriously defending any evil faction I could say is pretty much Rioters should be arrested rather than being killed, some of those people are starving

[gaunt ice]

that's true

[sleek plover]

IMO rioters are the least evil, outcast comes second but with a reallllllly large gap

Rikers and Hyenas share their place as mediocre-evil while Black Tusks, True Sons, LMB shares the worst among them. Cleaner takes the second worst place with a veeeeery close gap

[sick lantern]

Intention is the basis of morality

[gaunt ice]

outcast is at the bottom of that list,second to rikers,hyenas and black tusk

[sleek plover]

Outcasts deserve justice to what they suffered at least

Their only fault, and a really large fault is they murdered civilians

[gaunt ice]

they did until they start killing everyone who wasn't in that quarantine area

oh and chemical weapons

[sleek plover]

Order is not inherently good, and sometimes chaos is a solution to evil order

The french resistance, the independence movements during age of colonization and world wars are a primary example of righteous chaos fighting against evil order

Keener is another example of evil-chaos like the rikers, he basically believes in might-makes-right

[sick lantern]

the scale in the division is much different however
those people were fighting for the right to live under a democracy, whereas the likes of Rikers, Outcasts, Rioters, are fighting for their own right to kill and steal whatever they please

[sleek plover]

Rioterd want survival, Outcasts wants revenge and Rikers want killing and stealing, so far rikers are paramount example. of evil-chaos

What I am saying, however, is order is not necessarily good.

[gaunt ice]

the French revolution also involves protesters randomly killing innocent bystanders

[sleek plover]

French revolution was a heroic act

[gaunt ice]

yes it is

[sleek plover]

one of the shining examples of human achievement throughout history

But they all went to hell when robespierre took power

[gaunt ice]

but chaotic righteous doesn't work all the time

[sleek plover]

and started his own brand of iron fist evil-order

but I meant french resistance during ww2 not the revolution

What I mean by order is not necedsarily. good is pursuing evil order does not make them better than those pursuing evil chaos

[gaunt ice]

French resistance is a different story though

[gaunt ice]

order might not be the best solution,but it can also be the second best solution here

[sleek plover]

fascism is never the solution

[sleek plover]

I guess eating excrement is better than eating radioactive waste by that logic than?

[gaunt ice]

morality works different mate

if both results in me dying then nah

but if both can guarantee almost the same result then you pick the best one

but sometimes you just can't do the best

[tulip meteor]

also, what exactly is the "dollar flu"

the way they describe it makes it sound like a infectious disease

[gaunt ice]

or people having different view of "the best solution"

[gaunt ice]

well...it is

[tulip meteor]

but not like those zombie kind of crap?

[gaunt ice]

yeah more like viruses that spread through money

[tulip meteor]

what are the symptoms anyway

[gaunt ice]

idk,smallpox plus every infectious diseases you can think of

it's a bunch of viruses,mashed together in a lab,then got dropped on a random 100 dollar bill

[spare arrow]

imagine smallpox but much more deadly and much more infectious

[tulip meteor]

must've sound like hell

[sick lantern]

a chimeric mix of diseases with smallpox as the base, optimised to be highly infectious and very lethal

[tulip meteor]

who's behind all of this anyway

[sick lantern]

Gordon Amherst

[tulip meteor]

i dont really care about spoilers

so he is like, the main antagonist of all the stuff that's going on in the game?

[spare arrow]

he died to his own disease

[sick lantern]

he’s the reason we have a game, but not the main focus or driving force in the plot after starting the outbreak

[tulip meteor]

have we reached the end point of the game, or not yet?

[sick lantern]

not yet

[tulip meteor]

i mean, the new york nature looks kinda bland for me

im not really into urban metropolitan cities, but it did give some advantages for combat

[sick lantern]

ok...

[tulip meteor]

but tbh, i doubt we've ever get out of new york

[sick lantern]

wdym

[spare arrow]

i mean we have, div2 is in DC.

and the surrounding area, and back in NYC

[sick lantern]

yea that literally happened lol, I’m confused

[tulip meteor]

first game takes place in manhattan, right?

[spare arrow]

First game is in NYC. Starts in manhattan, moves into NYC after a short tutorial.

[tulip meteor]

to this day, i still dont know who bombed that poor tiltrotor aircraft

[spare arrow]

you did play div1, right?

[tulip meteor]

yes

[spare arrow]

its explained who did in div1

[tulip meteor]

guess i'll have to progress for awhile to find out

[sick lantern]

starts in Brooklyn and moves into Manhattan

[tulip meteor]

rhodes was kind of a funny guy, but also serious at the same time

[spare arrow]

look kirby its 3 am i dont live in new york

i'm running off fumes and annoyance

[sick lantern]

go to sleep >:(

[spare arrow]

cut some slack

absolutely not

manhattan shmanhattan

[tulip meteor]

literally a island located inland

[spare arrow]

yes that is geography

[tulip meteor]

but i mean, it isnt weird to have a island located further inland

[spare arrow]

you could say "isnt it wierd" to a lot of stuff, i missed your point

[sick lantern]

have you heard of rivers

[spare arrow]

like, its just a place

[tulip meteor]

it's just a place, yeah

cue denmark and canada fighting over a piece of small island close to nunavut and greenland

[spare arrow]

ok

[tulip meteor]

either way, back on topic

it's kinda stupid how they didnt get it under control earlier, or hell, even find a vaccine for that

[ashen jungle]

its Rivens.
sorry, force of habit.

[spare arrow]

please just play the game

it explains a good amount

[sick lantern]

can’t just pull a vaccine out of your ass for a new disease

[ashen jungle]

Kirby, watch it.

[tulip meteor]

i mean, i just started the game 5 weeks ago, i believe

[spare arrow]

how... how far are you

[tulip meteor]

boredom kinda hits sometimes, so i kinda didnt get around to progress it

[tulip meteor]

i already finished rescuing that uh, nurse, rhodes and that guy at the floodgate

[spare arrow]

please continue

please please just keep going

[tulip meteor]

i will, no worries

[spare arrow]

like every question you've posed is explained in game

either by the NPCs or in the logs

[tulip meteor]

i really cant bear to watch the first video evidence you get after rescuing the floodgate dude

[sick lantern]

like, emotionally, or are you lazy

[edgy leaf]

The latter, I'd guess so

I just hopped on td2, without playing the first 1

Just watched a few lore vids and I'm all set

[tulip meteor]

no, it was like, kinda too gorey

i dont wanna find out if a metal bat is enough to turn that dude's head into a mushy flesh

enough to splatter the camera

[sick lantern]

the game has a lot of gory discretion shots

[sleek plover]

TBH I wouldnt mind more gore in div game, like not to a Manhunt-degree but more like fallout

[tulip meteor]

it'd prob get worse

the more i progress

[sleek plover]

well, fpss in general is highly "viewer discretion advised"

its game about people fighting

[sick lantern]

the worst is never shown to you, just shootings and a stabbing or two ||unless you play Survival and pay attention||

it’s all implied off camera

[sleek plover]

But i understand how some. people would be sensitive in such displays of violence

[tulip meteor]

i mean, i am kinda hemophobic

that's the thing

[sleek plover]

Yeah... thats what I meant

[tulip meteor]

stabbing is enough for me to jump

[sick lantern]

ic

[edgy leaf]

I mean, it's rated M

[tulip meteor]

shooting? not so much

as long as no one's getting their brains blow out

[sleek plover]

That... is emphasizable

well, thankfully dismemberment is not a thing in div except outcast rushers in div 2

but even that is due to a suicide vest, not melee

[tulip meteor]

so, it's a one time thing?

[sleek plover]

Oh, the suicide vest rushers are regular, common enemies in division 2

[spare arrow]

if you hit an outcast rusher in the chest (gascan) they go pop

[sleek plover]

but in division 1,the most gory thing you could see in game is probanly what the kirby guy posted behind the spoiler-blind

but even that is implied off screen

how do you fare w/ other games?

[edgy leaf]

Isn't hemo blood related not violence ?

[sick lantern]

guess what happens often when you inflict violence on people

[sleek plover]

i think Twizted is more disturbed by melee violence and dismemberments... which is bloody by nature and even more... sensitive

[edgy leaf]

Yeah, blood pops when you shoot, right ?

[sleek plover]

at least guns are... indirect in their ways of causing bleeding, although not psychologically

[tulip meteor]

they do

[edgy leaf]

Guess I'm on auto

I just assume it does, but I don't care enough about that detail, and I play on Xbox one, so

[tulip meteor]

other games? well, i have seen things for doom eternal, but i didnt jump that much, since it's just demons and not humans

[sleek plover]

PTSD wise, shooting to kill is just as distressing as melee murder, that is why snipers are quite prone to developing it

cuz they shoot with intent

[sleek plover]

Hmm, so you are apalled by blood/melee injuries on human subjects

[tulip meteor]

yep, true

[sleek plover]

What is your opinion in more..
medieval themed games than?

Do you have hard time playing them also?

[edgy leaf]

For honor must be fun

Chivalry?

[sleek plover]

Mount and blade, skyrim, assassins creed, witcher

[spare arrow]

pacman

[edgy leaf]

AC is sick

[tulip meteor]

oh well, i never played any of them, but i do have AC and for honor in my ubisoft account

[edgy leaf]

It's gory to an extent

[sleek plover]

I like AC mostly cuz I truly emphathizs ideologically with assassins

but enough other game talk

[edgy leaf]

Laughs in rogue

[sleek plover]

Never bought/played rogue, never will. That dirty traitor turned oppressor should burn

know all the storyline and how assassins were corrupt, even tho I dont like that guy.
Enough other game talk.

[edgy leaf]

Ok, ok, last comment, it might be my fav AC game

[sleek plover]

didnt meant to be commandeering on that, its aspect who runs the show here.
My fave is syndicate

[tulip meteor]

i feel like i might need to grab a digital copy of the second game, if it goes on sale again

[edgy leaf]

I agree with what you say, even prev. Discussion is kinda off topic, I hopped in here to ask about readables but I guess I've found em all

I hope the first 1 does

I'm taking my sweet time with 2

[tulip meteor]

just so i could explain the lore further, but, i'll start chronologically

i mean, explore

not explain

[edgy leaf]

Try YouTube

It skips all the gory stuff

[sleek plover]

also stay away from bioshock series, the game is gun+genetic super power based but it contains a lot of gory melee kills

[edgy leaf]

Big daddies were some scary stuff back in the day

Reveal trailer was insane for that time

[sleek plover]

I meant more about the wrenches and skyhooks, but still...

and also that 1 scene on bio 1

[edgy leaf]

Yup

[tulip meteor]

whatever happens, i guess

[brave locust]

ooookay

[tiny wraith]

Afternoon DTL and carbs

[cold bramble]

Having your mind wonder if the Burn Sticky Bomb launcher ||still had Conley's hand attached to it|| when you pick it up is a new level of intrusive thought

[brave locust]

or all the watches

[gaunt ice]

Of all things you can say today,this is the first thing?

[brave locust]

out of all the things you can say today, this is it?

[woven basalt]

its been a while since i did the div2 story, do they really say anything about the LMB? i cant really recall much outside of an audiolog.

[sick lantern]

idk how much of it is told in game but some of the remnants of the LMB have been inducted into the Black Tusk, others have joined the JTF

[sleek osprey]

Ayo screw the LMB Where my paranoid insomniac radio boy at

He showed up for like 5 seconds at the end of Warlords

[cold bramble]

You actually hear a lot from him if you stick around the safe houses long enough

My favorite WONY Wouldn't You Know It had Valassi say hi to a Division agent he walked past in the street.

The agent started dancing in reply

[sleek osprey]

What a chad

[winter nimbus]

White tusk gang

[elder rose]

Someone know what the Agents do after Washington? Same as NY?
Go rogue after they realise that they can't beat Ubisoft.

[edgy leaf]

Warlord's of NY?

[brave locust]

they lord the war lol

[gaunt ice]

they all go eat shawarma

[brave locust]

thats the avenginators

tony stank

[gaunt ice]

captain Puerto Rico

[spare arrow]

Scorpionman and Termite-Man

[sleek plover]

The Wimp

[tiny wraith]

Afternoon aspect carbs and dtl

[brave locust]

U.S. Territory so it still counts

[woven basalt]

so this is the last day of TCES, the mobile game that had bliss only injured after the helicopter crash.

and joe ferro was just imprisoned, not killed as well.

[sleek plover]

I wouldnt mind a "serious" TCES where we can play as TC verse chars.
The world in general is fd up but the green flu outbreak is limited to east coast, most of the US is now divided for many other reasons.
Bliss is injured, ferro is arrested and both escaped cuz Ellis allowed them.

LMB, Black Tusks, Sentinels and Wolves can form a faction called "conspiracy" to take over US

so does outcasts and white masks to form a faction called "chaos"
Santa Blanca, Rikers and Hyenas can form a criminal alliance called "syndicate*

True Sons and cleaners may want their own brand of authoritarjan rule over east coast under the unified faction of "Puritans" and under conspiracy payroll.

Bolivian government, now with santa blanca "officially" gone have UNIDAD under control, and they are also. in conspiracy payroll.

and aside from green flu there are drone rampages, terrorism which placed the world in an apocalyptic state while syndicate, conspiracy, puritans and Chaos are now in a non agression state.

So SHD, R6, GR and 4E need to unite and clean up the mess.

The game will be called BITX which stands for" Battle against International Threats Xtreme" and definitely, "definitely," DEFINITELY does NOT stand for "Better Idea than Xdefiants"

[woven basalt]

we still dont know about the lore for xdef

its just some kinda farther wasteland past the events of div1/2

[full fox]

speaking of past div1/2, I wonder if the third game is still in the US 😅

[woven basalt]

why wouldnt it be?

they specifically are there to maintain US governances

unless..... hawaii? though thats still technically in the US still.

we have a bunch of protectorate countries they could do.

like west samoa.

[lethal ledge]

Hawaii is a US state

Hell do Guam or Puerto Rico

Or an area around a base on foreign soil

[woven basalt]

i know, im from hawaii

puerto rico sounds the best so far.

nice looking locale, a lot of possible cover.

[sick lantern]

green flu is left 4 dead, you mean green poison

[ashen jungle]

In all fairness, there's like 5 different names for the Dollar Flu, so it's easy to get confused.

[cold bramble]

They did seemingly abandon the "Wonderland" conspiracy plot thread with the last Breakpoint expansion, so might as well recycle that

[sleek plover]

If you guys could design your own enemy faction, what could it be?

[cold bramble]

Mmm, Div 1 and 2 have already covered most if not all of the plausible bases

[spare arrow]

Hippies

[sick lantern]

I was gonna say “makeshift urbex punks” but that’s just Ambushers 😐

[spare arrow]

Makeshift urbex hippies, totally different

[sick lantern]

...meteorologists? idk lol Division has done most possible things I can think of

[late void]

conspiracy theorists

(of the gun-nut 'survivalist' variety)

[sick lantern]

as long as their snipers are neckbeard hunters I’m in

they should have mostly civilian weapons or converted versions thereof

(not MGLs and M4s ):< )

[late void]

yup, and be not actually that evil, but just convinced that Division is part of the new world order that engineered the virus in the first place

[spare arrow]

maybe a buncha larpers

Everytime they fire they scream MAGIC MISSILE

[late void]

with foam swords and wizard costumes?

[spare arrow]

FIREBOLT FIREBOLT

[sick lantern]

please, god, no 😆

[cold bramble]

Another faction with access to weapon and gear talents, except that the reason for them is Actual Magic (TM)

[late void]

+2 AR of confusion?

[sick lantern]

blessed orb of luminosity (flashbang)

[sleek plover]

My faction would cosplay as french revolution jacobins, so i guess thats simillar

[late void]

single-shot muskets with terrible accuracy and long reload times?

it's mostly viking reenactors I see around here

[sleek plover]

Well I did mention hiw my faction would be like multiple tines

But they will be extremists who worship freedom and democracy as god and hunt down exclusively authoritarian factions like LMB, True Sons and Black tusks.

[gaunt ice]

@sick lantern here's my idea:mw2019 fanboys

alright but hear me out:a faction made out of the opposite political party

[sleek plover]

so like vault dwellers from fallout 1?

[gaunt ice]

probably,never played that game before

[sick lantern]

wdym

[gaunt ice]

some ideology warfare stuff

[sick lantern]

that would be this

well sorta

[sick lantern]

what if there was a group of nihilists who want to use the green poison outbreak as an opportunity to end humanity

[sick lantern]

I had more in mind like “the nuclear arsenals of the world are vulnerable let’s start launching them”

[woven basalt]

idk probably expand the loot goblin into a whole faction.

otherwise, the flamer, bomber, tech, and non-tech tacticool tropes seem to always be covered.

[shy geyser]

I want more lore on the Hunters

[spare arrow]

mayhaps

[sick lantern]

I want more lore 😔

[woven basalt]

we all want more lore

so many things on the horizon, so little new info

[brave locust]

Where did the late night hosts go? I assumed one of them would lead some sort of gang in NYC.

Conan O'Brien is like 8 feet tall

[viscid anvil]

Team Coco all day

[woven basalt]

team coco vs funny or die

which giant ginger will prevail.

[sleek plover]

We have a ginger agent do we+

[woven basalt]

does vivian conley count as ginger?

cant tell if she has freckles or not.

[ashen jungle]

one of the 2 things the Wiki is actually good for; https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Vivian_Conley

[gaunt ice]

what's a ginger?

all i know is gingerbear cookies in christmas

[ashen jungle]

It's another word for a person with red hair.

[gaunt ice]

so just call them redhead?

[ashen jungle]

"Auburn" is a quite common term in some places too, it's a red-brown.

[sleek plover]

ginger or not, she's a b__ch. Screams like one when she dies too.

[gaunt ice]

idk man,anyone would scream like a bietch if they have a crap ton of bullet holes on their body then explodes and burns to death

[ashen jungle]

I mean, she very clearly roared in anger and not "screamed like an LMB hater".

[gaunt ice]

based

[sick lantern]

I was thinking something similar that’d be cool

[sick lantern]

real “stick it to the man” types maybe

grenadiers with slings/slingshots? maybe those makeshift mortars the civilian militia use

that should’ve been in the museum mission

shit we’ve already had a fuckin 1800s gatling gun so it wouldn’t even be the silliest thing so far

[sick lantern]

I never thought before today about how that doesn’t make sense

it was a TV set how and why would they have a functioning gatling gun and ammo?

[spare arrow]

the vietnam war diagram? probably brought in and setup there

[cold bramble]

TV set would suggest Stolen Signal?

[spare arrow]

^

[sick lantern]

that was a minigun

[spare arrow]

idk man

it really do be gatling

[sick lantern]

I was saying the gatling gun in Stolen Signal makes less sense than the hypothetical cannon in the museum

[spare arrow]

man i just woke up dont do this to me

[sick lantern]

if I’m not mistaken gatling guns are operated by a hand crank

[spare arrow]

i've checked out

[sick lantern]

aspect should be as-leep >:3

[gaunt ice]

lemme guess,persona 4 stuff

[sleek plover]

yeah, but trust me just click the vid

[gaunt ice]

...you get the pass this time cuz the joke was pretty good

[sleek plover]

Yea

[woven basalt]

damn, watched to the end cuz i assumed it was somehow gonna be division related.

nothing. just persona.

[sick lantern]

what did you expect from this lot

[sleek plover]

cookies?

[sick lantern]

made of corn probably

[sick lantern]

so maybe the langley reports are setting up the next div game to take place outside the US @late iron but they’re gonna have to asspull to justify it

[late iron]

Yea they're gonna have to twist a lotta things up to set it outside the US

[ashen jungle]

Judging by the Ghost Recon announced today, and the f2p div project coming out soon, I'm willing to bet that Ubi' are gonna turn the name "Tom Clancy" over to the online crowd for a good long while.

[sick lantern]

wdym

[ashen jungle]

Ghost Recon is getting a brand new game in the franchise...battle royale.
div franchise is going f2p (most likely a) survival craft-em-up.
online-only seems to be the way it's swinging.

[sick lantern]

ah
yea :/
maybe, but if ghost recon frontline flops hard enough it might be safe

[ashen jungle]

I really wanna see another "Anthem" situation.
where when it died, EA flat-out said that they're gonna give single-player another try with DA:4.

[late void]

Once they fire whatever idiot is currently making the decisions

[ashen jungle]

same day a Ghost Recon battle royale is announced, Randy Pitchford announced that he's leaving as the head of Gearbox.
coincidence? I think not!

[sick lantern]

what’s DA4 again

[ashen jungle]

Dragon Age 4, was gonna be live-service before Anthem kicked the bucket.

[sick lantern]

right dragon age

I think my dad used to play one of those

[ashen jungle]

probably 1, 2009.

[tiny wraith]

Morning rivens and DTL

[ashen jungle]

hey Saph

[ashen jungle]

Oh don't get me wrong, I liked Anthem, but if it had to die for DA:4 to live, I say bury it now.

[late void]

I liked the first Dragon Age but never played any of the others, are they actually good? I seem to recall hearing mostly negative stuff about DA2

[ashen jungle]

I'm incredibly biased here because I've been playing the series regularly since OG launch, but I genuinely loved all 3 so far.
2 isn't as good as 1 or Inquisition, but it's still a solid game.
but we should move down to off-topic for this.

[dusk breach]

If they‘re turning my good ol‘ ghost recon series into the next senseless-stupid-af-battle-royal-fortnite-in-adult-skin I’m gonna be totally mad.

[sick lantern]

wah-wah

[late void]

why do you say 'If'? They announced just that yesterday didn't they?

[ashen jungle]

I don't think they knew.
Sorry to break it to ya @dusk breach,

[dusk breach]

😬😢😭☹️😐😑😡🤬🤯

Seems that I can only hope for a good div3 now.

[ashen jungle]

My brain flat-out refused to see all those emojis' for a sec, like legit.

[dusk breach]

It‘s a story dontya see? The smiley is getting shocked, then so sad, then calming down a bit, then getting furiously angry until it’s head bursts lol

[ashen jungle]

I genuinely don't know how people can get that kinda angry over something.
I mean like, sure if it was a physical thing that was real, but something digital?

[sick lantern]

ok where can we fit bargaining in there

[tiny wraith]

Get ghost recon free for now

Get it on uplay

And Battlefield is going battle royal in 2142

The original 2142 was awesome

[woven basalt]

it kinda irks me that i always already own the games they giveaway.

frontline being a throwback to OG GR is weird too, i mostly see GR's influence starting from future soldier.

[late void]

claimed ghost recon, then watched some gameplay on youtube. Think I'll pass, I don't have the nostalgia-tinted spectacles necessary to enjoy that after playing modern games

[full fox]

I just enjoy the cool looking mansions

and nuke enemies from the sky with my UAV drone

[round sinew]

Hey pimps and pimpettes

What's popping?

Anyone see that Ubisoft has abandoned God and us and made what looks like a Ghost Recon mobile game?

[sick lantern]

it’s a BR game

[cold bramble]

It took them two years to turn Wildlands' Mercenaries mode into a full game

After only answering repeated calls for a BR mode with Wildlands' final update

It and Defiant... can't fault anyone for not being optimistic. But who knows, maybe the end result will be worth playing, if they and Hyper Scape don't cannibalize each other's playerbases

[sick lantern]

Hyperscape
Playerbase
pick one

[cold bramble]

(Yes, this was also a joke about the amount of people who wouldn't be instantly alienated by the premise of Frontline or Defiant)

[round sinew]

You mean most fans of the franchise?

[woven basalt]

having to completely remap the buttons by hand kinda sucks. they should just add a modern preset.

[woven basalt]

tbh, im only interested in the division "lore" side of things for xdef

im not super into pvp since i dont play that much in a day

[round sinew]

^

PVP for a lot of things anymore can't be played casually.

It requires time to practice and understand a meta

[sick lantern]

I doubt there’ll be much of that

[dusk breach]

For the record: I don’t take it that serious, tried to exaggerate in an ironic way. If that came out clearly, my bad.

If that didn’t*

[full fox]

Just glad the settlement changes isn't like Fallout4 where you have to manually do stuff

[cold bramble]

Ya know what would've been cool? If we had a choice to go rogue with keener

[unreal widget]

THIS!! 100% agree!!

[limber river]

we can go rogue in dz 😄

[cold bramble]

I would have totally joined keener, because I don't like the division, I sympathize with the true sons more than anything

[unreal widget]

But... Aaron isn't there. 😭

[limber river]

im way better than arron!

[cold bramble]

How do I keep my rogue status up I'm dz?

[limber river]

keep killin

[cold bramble]

I heard there's a rogue only vendor, is true?

[limber river]

no more

it was fun back then

[cold bramble]

Like is it all players now or just removed

[limber river]

they removed it, now u can go to dz vendors on each section ( west, south, east)

[cold bramble]

There should be a bow and arrow weapon similar to outcast snipers

And I'm not talking about crossbow for survivalist

[limber river]

play skyrim or dragon age

[cold bramble]

But I wanna headshot hyena grunts with it

Oh another thing

I feel like we could've convinced the true sons to join the jtf again

And maybe, maybe the hyenas

[sick lantern]

no way

[cold bramble]

I feel as if dima could've been reasoned with

[cold bramble]

Well, there's that one True Son who opened the gate to the Air and Space Museum on story difficulty

[full fox]

you mean the traitor?

[dusk breach]

Seriously? John Rambo revival compound bow or more like legolas? What‘s next a fckng slingshot?

[round sinew]

Lies. Turning settlement into a massive power armour workshop was based

[full fox]

You completely missed my point. 😑

[round sinew]

I know.

[sleek plover]

tyrant.

[tiny wraith]

Morning DTL

[sleek plover]

Morning Sapherstine

[sleek plover]

@/everyone
I got 3 months nitro for fee.
Buy them and dont get scammed.

[cold bramble]

You know, the cleaners have a point

You see, our bodies get really hot when we have a virus to kill it, that's what a fever is and if we can get green posion to a really hot temperature we can also kill it.

Maybe, idk If the green poison is fire proof or not

But hypothetically, the cleaners got a good point

[late void]

I don't think anyone doubts their methods work, the issue is more about the cost in innocent lives - they do tend to burn alive anyone that might possibly be infected

[cold bramble]

Also as moving around Cleaner-controlled areas (especially in D2) show, their burning methods tend to be rather incomplete. Less incineration furnace, more externally charred corpse or body bag

[sleek plover]

Also they destroy virus samples for jtf/Cera scientists for work on so they actually make things worse long term.

Also why would you find true sons agreeable?

[late void]

hyena propaganda is the most tempting. 'Life sucks and we're all going to die, so stop fighting it and enjoy yourself!'

[cold bramble]

Unfortunately the quiet part is that they're gonna enjoy beating you to death

[late void]

well yeah, I guess they appeal most to those whose idea of enjoyment is torturing other people

[sick lantern]

the body doesn’t have to be completely burned to ashes yaknow

“the DNA starts unveiling like a cheap prom dress”- Kandel

[sleek plover]

So New Content=Still a lost cause?

[dusk dove]

nope, already confirmed for same ETA.

2021-2022

[woven basalt]

"late 2021", so theres still time for them to make good.

[tiny wraith]

Evening AZ

[sleek plover]

Evening Saph-saph

[tiny wraith]

Evening DTL

[willow current]

It's ubi, it'll probably be 2022

[cold bramble]

Good morning ol chaps, what a glorious day to be fucked by throwers today!

God, I hate throwers

[sick lantern]

wut happened

[cold bramble]

I cant hide in cover to heal because every 3 seconds I get hit by a grenade

They just always knows where I'm at and the angle to directly hit me at

It destroys me entire armor in one hit even at full

I want to be grenade resistant

100% explosive resistance

[late void]

Hide at one end of a long piece of cover, then crawl down to the other end. If they can't see you, they can't track your location. Also, keeping your distance helps, most throwers aren't very accurate at longer ranges (except black tusk, they always have perfect accuracy)

You can also mess up their day by shooting them in the head just as they wind up their throw (they'll drop the grenade at their feet) or by destroying their weak point

[cold bramble]

Does that work on Hyena grenadiers? For some reason I have better luck causing BT guys to airburst themselves than their Hyena counterparts. Simple is best I guess

[late void]

it's harder to get the timing right for the grenade launchers (as you don't have the physical throw animation to guide you). I think with hyenas I just go for the weakpoint pouch

[dusk breach]

I want Japanese green tea.

[ashen jungle]

🍵 here ya go.

[dusk breach]

Wow, thank you. Looks like a good quality, maybe even gyokuro. 🙏

[sleek plover]

Its actually liquid spice in disguise

[cold bramble]

Top of the mornin to ya lads, today's a great day to hunt for dragov

Or was it drogoz?

Eh, I don't really care he needs to die

[sick lantern]

James Dragov

[cold bramble]

I already hunted Theo, kajika and Conley

But I gotta say conley death was greatly overexagerated

Like damn, I didn't expect that

Kajika was the easiest fight so far, the most difficult thing about his fight was the steam

Theo was. Theo was just

His holograms really tricked me

[full fox]

XD

So you wasted your ammo shooting him when he was standing in the hall and at the stairs?

[cold bramble]

Conley and her entourage had an amusing tendency to cause wipes during league speedruns

Oh, wow, the Scorpio DPSes couldn't actually burst down the spawns fast enough...

[cold bramble]

Also instead of pressing the button, I shot the box

What would've have happened if I pressed the button?

In the Theo cafeteria

[full fox]

you get shocked

[late void]

I've tried both and I've never actually noticed a difference other than Theo's response

[tiny wraith]

It's just his response that changes nothing else

[idle swan]

Theo’s fight is easily the longest and annoying as hell

[rotund river]

wheres my og division 1 heads at

[sleek plover]

damn I hate LMB

[tiny wraith]

Evening DTL

[sleek plover]

good morning saphy

[ashen jungle]

@vapid fossil okay here's better.

so yeah, end of the Manhunt is you killing her. And her Comms are her admitting what she did all along was to get "undercover".

[vapid fossil]

odd, when i killed her all i saw was her falling over, and got no comms.

now that i think about it...

whenever you killed a rogue in the story isac always stated a kill confirmation, but he didn't confirm lau's death..?

or maybe it's got something to do with her name sake faye lau meaning gift of heaven, idk. 🤣

[ashen jungle]

Assuming she's like the other Manhunt targets, you can farm her final mission to get the rest of the Comms.

[woven basalt]

doesnt lau mean axe?

[ashen jungle]

google translate isn't being helpful here.

okay apparently in Vietnamese it means "wipe", so uh.

[woven basalt]

in vietnamese, the name is read lu'u.

though tbh i dont know, she could be chinese, she could be vietnamese.

i've been running under the assumption that she was chinese.

[ashen jungle]

okay yep there it is, American, parents born in China.

[vapid fossil]

wonder if we'll get new named stuff?

[woven basalt]

i still dont know how to feel about faye's heel-turn.

[ashen jungle]

Was it a heel-turn? She admits that she never actually went Rogue, and only pretended to in order to get closer to the organisation+Ellis.

[late void]

The whole undercover, killing Ellis thing made sense to me, what didn't was her then turning on the division when the player catches up to her

[slate cloak]

I kept shooting her even when her hp bar was 0
then she went on her knees and blew up

[gaunt ice]

Faye Wipe

[sleek plover]

She sided with the fascists, let her burn.

[gaunt ice]

did you like,skip the ending?

she said that what she did was to infiltrate the black tusk so she can kill Ellis

short sighted,yes but she never was truly aligned with their motives nor does she support them

[sick lantern]

why’d she fight us in the end though?

[late iron]

Yea she tried putting the Division at fault for Ellis's death

[ashen jungle]

Okay hear me out here, because this is a stretch even for me.
I think the narrative reason she fought us is going to be "we weren't going to stop from trying to bring her in."
Cliche? Yes. Likely? Also yes.

[sick lantern]

if she started shooting at the black tusk perhaps it would’ve probably been enough grounds, all that does is dig a deeper hole

[ashen jungle]

Frankly I'm just glad we're finally done with the div1 storyline.
I loved div1, played it heaps, will probably re-play the story again at some point.

But div2 was at it's best when it wasn't just following the storyline that already kinda ended pretty well.

[sick lantern]

well it took until wony to follow up on the sequel bait from div 1 and that just ended with more bait

if you mean you don’t want to go back to new york again then fair enough

[full fox]

new york is quite fun, streets filled with so many stuff to pick up!

unlike in DC where you have to go to said res spots to get res for cp

[sick lantern]

after Div 1 and WoNY there’s nothing left to reasonably do involving the events of Div 1, next game should just involve the rogue network maybe and carry on

[sick lantern]

can the movie just come out already 🙃I’m bored

wait shit I got books

[full fox]

VR would be great

wonder what watching others lag/slowmo in VR looks like 😂

[sick lantern]

“the Division’s internal organisation is decentralised, based in the assumption that a major disaster or attack could neutralise a single central facility. To avoid such a decapitating strike, the “Rule of Three” is applied: the agency’s headquarters are housed in three identical and independently operated bunkers called “Cores”. Located in Texas, Kansas and South Dakota, these Cores are deliberately redundant and distributed across the nation’s heartland to better ensure survivability in case of catastrophe.”

[full fox]

So there may be a mission of exploring said cores even though they are redundant?

[sick lantern]

possibly

no way it’s just a coincidence right

[sick lantern]

try Payday 2 VR then

hey you know what they have in Dakota?
corn

[sick lantern]

also “redundant” here is not a negative term, it means they’re a backup/failsafe

[sleek plover]

🌽

[spare arrow]

not in the mood today

[sick lantern]

heeheehee

what if the entrance to the core is a door in the middle of a field, like the ending of portal 2

[late void]

that would raise the question of 'how did they get all the building materials/supplies there without leaving obvious marks'?

[sick lantern]

it’s an underground bunker in a field it can’t have been too hard idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

aspect would have to endure corn and that’s a joke around here for some reason :p so i wouldn’t mind it

[tiny wraith]

Afternoon DTL,Aspect, Rivens

[woven basalt]

that one i knew, its one of the few pages thats up on google image search

[sick lantern]

I hope we do see one of these Cores in Heartland

even if, you know

[brave locust]

OH HELLO THERE

[tiny wraith]

Hey carbs

[sleek plover]

sup saphsaph

[tiny wraith]

Gonna have to add DTR as well

The audiobook hearts a fire is pretty good

It's a prequel to div 1

Ooh time to oder a new div2 book

[gaunt ice]

General Kenobi

you're a bold one

[sick lantern]

which one

[cold bramble]

Recruited?

[sick lantern]

wat

[cold bramble]

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=9781839081163

[sick lantern]

ah that's the name of the new one they announced?

[tiny wraith]

@sick lantern the graphic novel,plus a paperback,but still gotta wait till February for that one

Ooops last one

[woven basalt]

it's the one one with an indian main who's good at IT/cybersecurity.

idk, kinda cliche, but it's not exactly wrong.

[paper drum]

so there is 3 books now huh

[woven basalt]

i don't count the comic since it isnt new, just a new translation.

[sick lantern]

that’s the new one they announced with the timeline?

[woven basalt]

tbh not really sure, someone was talking about it as if it was extra, on top of the novel on the roadmap.

[tiny wraith]

Ok comic redone ,but 2 new paperbacks 1 drops along the same time as comic the other drops February

Afternoon DTR

And hopper

[sick lantern]

you ever realise the start of div 2 makes no sense? sure there’s a distress call in DC but the current situation was considerably more pressing

[edgy leaf]

How so

[sick lantern]

a vague distress call in a city miles away is not as pressing an issue as the attack on the settlement the agents were currently at

[full fox]

so you're saying that it shouldve have been a wide area attack like that scene on Conley Island when the cleaners swoop in to destroy the remaining black tusk scattered in the theme park?

[sick lantern]

maybe ¯_(ツ)_/¯

point is the agent who told you to leave has very skewed priorities

[full fox]

I honestly that initial place would be a map as well but nope 😕

[sick lantern]

yea it looked cool... where was it though?

looked like somewhere southern iirc

[cold bramble]

I took it as a somewhat tacit admission that there was definitely no hope whatsoever of the starting settlement holding out against the Absolutely Not Black Tusk without active SHD tech and skills

Like you can hold and get wiped out, or play rear guard for the Sheriff and hope that your very probable death will at least give a chance for the network to be restored before this exact thing happens in more places across the US

[full fox]

But it's story/tutorial mode

[sick lantern]

(I’m sure this conversation has been had before but) I don’t see why the network going down would instantly disable all the agents’ skills and SHD tech functionality
also the lack of skills and whatnot wouldn’t immediately mean the fight is a lost cause

[full fox]

I presumed it was a satellite related issue since it severed the connection at the core like constantly being in that EMPed state

[sick lantern]

why would a skill five feet away need a satellite

[full fox]

well, why would a skill that you dismantle be automatically produced again on your back?

rather than picking it up (and why the cooldown for using said skill again)

[cold bramble]

They were already trying to fight a hovercraft equipped with onboard mortars with an assault turret and individual assault rifles. The odds before then were already pretty bad

[full fox]

😂

[sick lantern]

“The odds aren’t entirely in our favour... fuck this whole fight and all these people, take the multi-day trip to DC right now”

[plain belfry]

I always assumed black tusk was deploying their own emp in that opening

And don’t forget the agent lived in the ending cinematic

[full fox]

you mean the one that we left on the dock?

[plain belfry]

Ya

[full fox]

still, it wouldve been nice to have to play in that separate map and retake it back

[woven basalt]

they pulled one person away. you make it sound like everyone abandoned the place.

[full fox]

or it is flattened/taken over by black tusk

[woven basalt]

wish theyd tell us where that place was.

guess they figured it was just an unimportant FOB.

[full fox]

same 😦

[sick lantern]

for no good reason, it was a silly decision

[woven basalt]

rewatched the intro and SHD system restore cutscenes

even before the attack, the other SHD agent was talking about relocating, so it does seem like they were already planning to fall back even before the network went dark.

and then that agent shows up in the restore-cutscene, seemingly farther inland.

when your agent got sent away, the argument wasnt who would go, it was over who would stay. the whole purpose of the SHD is to maintain the US government, so they both felt it was their duty to go to the capitol.

there was a little cut that was interesting, in between that agent from the beginning and faye getting re-activated, they showed a mystery agent outside the golden gate bridge.

wonder if div3 might be in my area, the bay area (wd2 psuedo-sequel?)

[full fox]

or release it in a book XD

very low budget

[sick lantern]

but there was no reason to send one person off as if getting to DC was some super urgent thing

[woven basalt]

it is, if youre SHD.

"continuance of government" is what they're all about.

they kinda suck in that department

since that means they sometimes have to back pieces of crap like ellis.

plus, it was the SHD watches that gave the coordinates for DC, it wasnt a random choice to go there,

[sick lantern]

holding back an attack on a civilian population is a considerably more urgent and imminent matter than getting to DC a few hours quicker because something might be happening

there is no reason to abandon the issue you know is real and threatening lives for something that’s days away

[woven basalt]

"days away", whats that even supposed to mean?

all they had was the coordinates for DC, thats all, there wouldnt have been anything to base severity on.

also, protecting civvies isnt the SHD's main mission

[sick lantern]

but they did know that people were fuckin dying then and there

[woven basalt]

plus, they had plans to fall back (and abandon that area) before the attack and subsequent SHD disconnect.

[woven basalt]

they pulled back. the re-activation cutscene shows that agent farther inland.

and we know she stayed behind specifically to protect those people.

[sick lantern]

“save what remains”

[woven basalt]

lmao.

yeah, that fragment still isnt their main aim.

which is to keep the US government up and running.

[sick lantern]

which by the time of Division 2, and in any other sufficient crisis situation, is a lost cause

[full fox]

too bad we cant have a huge map that encompasses all 50 states XD

[woven basalt]

that would be cool.

[sick lantern]

the point is the call to DC was considerably less urgent than the clear and present danger that presented itself at the time
it would be like a police officer walking away from a hostage situation to respond to a house fire and he doesn’t even know how many people are in the house

or if it’s even actually on fire

[woven basalt]

well, one is the SHD's primary objective, and one is a secondary one.

and again, they fell back.

which is something that agent talks to your agent about in that short convo before the attack

[sick lantern]

saving the lives of civilians is not a secondary objective

[woven basalt]

it is if you're SHD.

[sick lantern]

no it really isn’t, at no point has either fisk been made out to be greater or lesser than the other

[full fox]

if saving them is to help the DC story progress yes; if they are the random ones on the map, nope XD

[sick lantern]

and realistically in such a crisis scenario no one is going to think that saving lives is less important than protecting something which is no longer functioning or serving the people

[woven basalt]

it would be nice if thats what the SHD was about.

[woven basalt]

they were sheparded.... by the other agent.

so its not like you leaving meant they werent saved.

the other agent should be just as capable as your own.

hell, she survived, right?

[woven basalt]

lol, i was staring at that map of the SHD nodes coming back online thinking that meant there were agents there.... then it occurred to me that that doesnt necessarily mean theres anyone alive there.

otherwise theres agents everywhere, which cant be right.

[woven basalt]

before i forget, nice clancy title namedrop.

as soon as i read "clear and present danger", i went 'oh snap'.

nicely done.

[sick lantern]

hehe

[tiny wraith]

Evening hopper and DTR

[reef dust]

I would assume Isac is responsible for targeting and info relay with the skills being as there advanced weponary just as it can tap and hack just about any system out there to create plans and whatnot they don't really go into everything isac systems can/cant do but listening to rhodes talk about isac in 1 and 2 pretty safe ro say there's not much isac cant do which is y Rhodes doesn't trust it fully especially in the hands of the division

[woven basalt]

idk if isac and skill access are that related.

in the beginning of div1, you get isac but no skills, those are only available after you go to a terminal and get your perms set to active.

anyways, both seem to require a SHD network to work at all.

(like how certain video games require being online)

[tiny wraith]

For those interested you can order the new book in paper back or e book

It's called RECUIT