#division-universe

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sleek plover
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Freedom IS a right and a given

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to deny this is evil

ashen jungle
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I'm sure there's a right-wing forum who'd love to hear that, but for the meantime let's tone it down a little ey?

sleek plover
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as a far left myself, I will tone it down

mint citrus
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Optimus Prime said it better

round sinew
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Liberty Prime said it best.

spare arrow
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yeah i can agree with that

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but mike said it more often

sick lantern
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liberty prime is the most based robot 😎🇺🇸

spare arrow
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based and...libertypilled

ashen jungle
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Spoilers for F05: Liberty Prime starts calling everyone snowflakes.

red breach
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then nukes them all

ashen jungle
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nah, he just says he will and everyone calls him a hero.

red breach
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that must of been the "beta"

ashen jungle
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every time i see that emote I just see Jay from RLM.

round sinew
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"Ligma balls"
Commie: "What?"
zzzzzap

deft pecan
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E

sleek plover
fast kettle
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@sleek plover what is lmb

ashen jungle
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I'll end this here.
LMB is the equivalent of the Black Tusk from Div1.

fast kettle
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Ok I shouldn’t have asked

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So he’s a intense role player

spare arrow
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no he's just like that

fast kettle
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Hmm I see

lilac mason
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He just likes to proclaim his hatred every single day like a very aggressive vegan

leaden matrix
leaden matrix
rocky hull
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sounds more like true sons then yeah

spare arrow
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All of Div's enemy factions are different enough, but all in all- LMB was dissolved after Div1, and absorbed into Black Tusk.

sick lantern
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fascist paramilitary partially formed of ex-JTF who think they’re trying to save the country through force, final mission of the main campaign in which you assault a heavily defended important political building and turn off a turret so the JTF/militia can attack

ashen jungle
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To be specific, True Sons are the "military" force in Div2, who can obviously be somewhat compared to LMB, however: LMB in div1 were the kinda "big bad" of Factions, creating more parallels with Black Tusk.

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so it's subjective, but Rikers are more like True Sons in div2, the heavier/military-like faction, meanwhile Rioters/Hyenas being the horde-type, and Cleaners/Outcasts being the AoE/fire ppls.

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can you tell im way too into the useless lore parts of div2?

wintry mantle
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why cant we work for black tusk and get those epic big drone things 😭

ashen jungle
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because of all the war crimes, 3 is just too many.

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if they just stuck to burning people alive and executing prisoners without a trial, we'd be best buds!

wintry mantle
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do it for the loot

ashen jungle
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they just haaaaaaad to deliver guns during wartime to an occupying force. And because of that we don't get the Giant Drones.

sleek plover
wintry mantle
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🏃‍♂️

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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yeah the whole "they left us" thing, which is odd because the Rikers weren't really....left exactly. They were but not in the same way.

leaden matrix
ashen jungle
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Well yes but also no, see at first they were left in the prison, then IIRC they bribed a guard/or smth to get out.

leaden matrix
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also is it odd that i see the game calls it as rykers at some places

ashen jungle
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I think Larae's cousin was involved.

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I think one of those names might be copywrighted, same as they aren't called the NYPD ingame.

leaden matrix
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but there is a scaf with nypd written on it

ashen jungle
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hm?

leaden matrix
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i think i remember seeing a scaf in div 1 with nypd written on it

ashen jungle
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same as its not the NYSE (new york stock exchange) its the NYFE (new york financial exchange)

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what is a scaf?

leaden matrix
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scarf *

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🤫

ashen jungle
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oh, well maybe they had the rights in div1 but not div2.

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that happens all the time. Some games get pulled from sale over it.

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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Knowing how she is in div1, I genuinely think the warden may have never seen a woman before.

sick lantern
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he was into bad girls i guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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wanted her to be the Bonnie to his Clyde yaknow

ashen jungle
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surely there were other ppl. It was the apocalypse, ya know.

green plume
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So i saw a video saying there may be a level cap raise. Is that possible/likely. Im thinking it would be more like a shd watch stat increase instead of level increase but it there anything known about it?

ashen jungle
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Where were they getting their info from in the video?

green plume
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Idk i didnt watch it fully

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Juat speculation ig

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Just wanted to get someone elses thoughts on it/if ubi had said anything on it

ashen jungle
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id honestly not recommend believing anything a youtuber says unless it came directly from a devs mouth, and that was backed up by ubi' saying the same thing.

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div youtubers are.....somewhat known for lying through their teeth, either accidentally or on purpose.

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thoughts: as long as we dont have to start our recal libraries again, im all for it.

charred flint
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there was some speculation a long while back that there would be a expansion after season 4, with a lvl cap raise, the whole expansion turned to be a false rumour as we know now, and the backlash a lvl raise cap rumour even caused will likely mean no lvl cap raise unless its a whole big expansion at the end of the year, wich it prolly isnt

ashen jungle
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finding out that div2 was this close to being ended for good until not that long back, kinda killed any hype i have for a major expansion anytime within the next year.

green plume
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I think a shd watch cap raise would be best course of action

sick lantern
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do you remember that fake ass leak with sokolova and the hunters

ashen jungle
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I wouldnt put it past ubi' to "leak" something to gain reactions on it.

sick lantern
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I would put it past Ubi to have highly accurate Russian names for the supposed new exotic/s

ashen jungle
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just thinking about WF accidentally naming a new frame japanese slang.

sick lantern
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what was the name?

ashen jungle
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Gara.

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the weebs got sooooo mad

sick lantern
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can only imagine that wasn’t the only time...

woven basalt
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though there is an extremely shallow comparison there too, both highly trained and highly equipped factions. and thats as far as the similarities go.

gaunt ice
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atleast they didnt pull the "Factions joining force" shit live div1's Resistance

sick lantern
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that was kickass tho

gaunt ice
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yes badass

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but lore wise,it doesnt make sense

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Cleaners are still technically normal in almost every other aspect(other than fire and virus) so them siding with budget Nazi sounds unlikely

sick lantern
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it was due to desperation and a shared desire to go after keener who everyone knew was a rude dude

woven basalt
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its kinda funny, hoard mode is what it mustve felt like to be aaron keener towards the end of the game

woven basalt
gaunt ice
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i want a Keener DLC,about his entire journey start to finish

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if Ubi can pull shit like R6 Quarantine from an Operation,they can do this too

woven basalt
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i wouldve thought theyd sooner put that into a novel or graphic novel, but then the announcement for the fc6 villains' DLC came out, and now it seems a million times more plausible for div to get the same treatment.

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though honestly, im holding my breath over the netflix movie

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hoping its not like the RE movies

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as in far from source

gaunt ice
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how can you create that interesting of a antagonist/antihero and just kill him in a dlc in the most cliche James Bond/BOCW way ever?

woven basalt
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"for america, james?"

sick lantern
gaunt ice
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nononono get this

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that Walker dude in Ghost Recon,he had buildups too

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even a seperated live action movie

sick lantern
gaunt ice
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it means that Ubi can do that,but they dont

ashen jungle
woven basalt
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i think they went for "subverting expectations", we thought keener was the big bad, this proved us wrong. apparently its some russian oligarch. it also changed faye, which.... idk

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well, at least it wasnt kelso

gaunt ice
gaunt ice
woven basalt
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everyone thought kelso would be the one, glad she wasnt (kelso>faye)

ashen jungle
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oh we talking about the dumb plot of WONY?

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"surprise, it was the one person with a freaking eyepatch, she's the baddie"

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i felt like i was watching an old-timey Western.

gaunt ice
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Punished Faye

woven basalt
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or that evil morty episode

ashen jungle
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"the good, the bad, and the incredibly obvious turncoat" doesnt have the same ring to it.

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was fun to see MSV dance around our Agent tho, trying desperately not to annoy any head-canons.

ashen jungle
gaunt ice
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let's see what WoNY did wrong:
-retcon Larae with Dragov
-tech boi who's useless af
-Harley Quinn but redhead
-Raiden from Metal Gear Rising,discount the robotics and cutting people to pieces

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oh and Stitch from Cold War but with both eyes

ashen jungle
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i mean, they didnt really retcon Larae with Dragov, he actively talks about how they need to live up to what Larae taught them.

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the Cleaners however, yeah they basically called Ferro useless.

woven basalt
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ooph, poor joe.

gaunt ice
spare arrow
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joe mama

ashen jungle
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"scar lady is basically taken over for Joe, his heart's not in it"
bugger off MSV, did you forget the Ferro boss fight, how he was the first Cleaner heavy?

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the man was a walking tank, he deserves respect.

sick lantern
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well uh he was the third actually 😅

ashen jungle
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lol, the first "real" one.

gaunt ice
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how did the Rogues got a fucking driller underground,or assembled it there,without alerting any of the JTF prior to WoNY?

sick lantern
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Div 2 massively operates by rule of cool that’s how

gaunt ice
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Ferro is just based,but then the Cleaners after his death are cringe

gaunt ice
ashen jungle
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the cleaners in 1 were so much creepier too. they tried in div2, but nothing was gonna quite beat the echos and logs from div1.

woven basalt
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i like the old cleaner models

spare arrow
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we get it, thanh, you watched someone play MGRR

ashen jungle
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i honestly just read "based" and "cringe" in the same sentence then stopped paying attention.

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damn zoomers.

gaunt ice
spare arrow
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get more money lmao

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you ask for games and then say "lol i have no money for that game"

gaunt ice
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ITS FOR MY WISHLIST GODDAMMIT

spare arrow
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ohkay there mr hopeful

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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i mean, they're not exactly "paranoid" about the virus as they just hate it.

gaunt ice
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i mean,its summer

woven basalt
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lol, i wasnt even thinking that deep, i meant i liked them aesthetically. something about those baggy suits.

ashen jungle
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it did make more sense too, since they were city workers.

gaunt ice
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id die to covid before being forced to wear a rubber suit 24/7 carrying a flamethrower

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for a whole 6 months

woven basalt
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yeah, i loved how different types were from different occupations within the city system w. different uniforms

ashen jungle
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^
i would happily wear a baggy rubber suit and carry a flame-thrower if it meant anti-vaxers would stay away from me.

gaunt ice
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change it to furries and you just got me hooked in Rivs

ashen jungle
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i dont wanna know what you want to do with furries.

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mr furry pfp

gaunt ice
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what makes you think my pfp is a furry

ashen jungle
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sometimes you can just tell after looking at a profile

gaunt ice
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its not

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well its worse,but nope

sick lantern
gaunt ice
woven basalt
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ok, this is off topic, but since we talked about PPE, im kinda disappointed there werent any div facemasks on the ubimerch store.

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look for them the last time there was a merch sale, nothing.

gaunt ice
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yeah that's kinda sad

woven basalt
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missed opportunity.

gaunt ice
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a div watch would be nice,like a cool one and not the div1 collector's edition one

woven basalt
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getting a div hat this time tho

ashen jungle
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there's a BUNCH on etsy, or there was.

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tip: screw official merch stores. Go to the cool place.

woven basalt
gaunt ice
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or maybe a custom UI for your smart watch,my friend has one

woven basalt
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especially if the movie does well.

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theres no way they arent working on that as we speak

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too much interest over too much time for them not to.

gaunt ice
woven basalt
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is that when we get activated??

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oh wait, i dont have the watch... yet

gaunt ice
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idk,do you have a Rolex?

woven basalt
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lmao

sick lantern
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why doesn’t Conley use an MDR? Keener tells his rogue buddies it’s good and in Div 1 it had a talent to do with status effects, it would’ve been so fitting

gaunt ice
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i guess cuz its rare to find one?

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it would be cool to see a MDR named with the same talent like the div1 one

sick lantern
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a giant drill? yea we can do that.
one 5.56 rifle? way too rare

gaunt ice
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totally a missed opportunity

ashen jungle
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MDR?

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most definitely a rifle?

sick lantern
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semi automatic assault/battle rifle yes

ashen jungle
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So, not a term we use in div. Gotcha.

spare arrow
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DT MDR- Desert Tech Micro Dynamic Rifle

ashen jungle
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imma just keep reading it as MDMA.

sick lantern
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last time i checked rifle was most definitely a term used in td

ashen jungle
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correct, but i dont see MDR anywhere

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MMR, Rifle, AR, all fine.

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if we gonna start using alternate names for things, be prepared for a lot of WF terms from me.

sick lantern
spare arrow
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idk man that turret drone build needs some serious ability strength and duration to work, but you can sacrifice range for whatever reason, it doesnt affect either

ashen jungle
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my mistake, but in all fairness: who even uses that piece of junk? was bad in div1, is bad in div2.

gaunt ice
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its ok to get stacks for that one sniper classified set

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the one where you need to get headshots to build stacks

sick lantern
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it’s great for Sentry’s and borderline essential for Firecrest

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plus it’s just a cool gun and it would work thematically considering the talent and flavour text

ashen jungle
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.......div2, this is div2 chat.

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firecrest is dead, as much as i wish it was back.

sick lantern
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this is the lore chat and you brought up div 1 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

ashen jungle
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i hate this place sometimes.

spare arrow
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same

green plume
woven basalt
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the descriptions says for div2, but i dont see why things related can't have some leeway here, especially if its div1.

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y'know, theres probably some nuance im missing here. i rarely post, but with this sprained wrist, this and TCES are my only div fixes in the interim.

ashen jungle
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let's be honest, this place gets way too off-topic too often. I'm just as guilty as others of doing that, but I'm trying to improve it.

woven basalt
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btw, TCES has all 6 E3 agents (3 from Div1 E3 and 3 from Div2 E3), two made up LMB, and two different fayes. so its pretty cool. to me, at least.

ashen jungle
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what even is TCES?

woven basalt
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its the mobile tom clancy universe game thats extremely under promoted.

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didnt know it existed until less than a week ago.

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and its in S2, so theres a problem there. esspecially since im still active in both div1 and 2.

ashen jungle
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i genuinely had no idea that existed, wasnt even emailed about it.

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okay so i just checked the website and its got cartoon versions of characters. I am so far "nope" past that i wont even see it in my mirror.

woven basalt
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its kinda like the 3x3 v 3x3 grid combat from megaman exe mixed with elements of cover like in the division. im mostly into it since it should be getting people into the discrete franchises, but tbh, i dont think most people know it exists. which is kinda sad.

ashen jungle
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that has some....disturbing implications for lore if its considered canon.

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freaking Bliss is in it.

woven basalt
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oh yeah, and alive. i think his bio said he was "presumed dead" or something similar.

sick lantern
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Tom Clancy’s Elite Squad I have it installed and played it all of once lol

woven basalt
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the multiverse has been weird for a while, like sam fisher's note in far cry new dawn talking about the division.

sick lantern
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I don’t like these auto battlers or whatever this genre is, wish it was an XCOM ripoff tbh

woven basalt
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oh right, there is an auto mode..... i dont trust it.

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to me, it might as well say "auto die" mode. cuz i expect the same results.

sick lantern
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also people were annoyed because the villains used the same iconography as some black rights group from the US

ashen jungle
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i can see why they'd be annoyed

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according to the lore of that, Bliss was pardoned by Sam Fisher.
he apparently doesn't know what Bliss did, which means Sam is an idiot, or he doesn't care, which is....darker.

sick lantern
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pretty sure they don’t care yea

ashen jungle
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this is why someone needs to control a properties Lore.

sick lantern
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well it’s a non-canon crossover with most Tom Clancy titles so does it matter

ashen jungle
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there's enough random div characters in it to be suspect over.

woven basalt
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i dont think the article i read got it right. they said it was black panther iconography, but its actually bigger, its black power movements in general, which is way bigger and more global than our individual group.

ashen jungle
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that is WAY worse yeah lol

woven basalt
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the writer mustve been american, i guess.

ashen jungle
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i dont know if its better or worse if they were.

tiny wraith
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Sam is in breakpoint and wildlands

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Div1 was in wildlands

sick lantern
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it’s a shared universe but the events of The Division aren’t canon to those games

ashen jungle
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Same with Far Cry I suppose.

sleek plover
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what are some "new factions" u guys expect to see in new content if there are? also in the hword

sick lantern
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doubt they'll add a new faction in the new content

ashen jungle
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Surprise return of the Rioters would be fun, but that's about it I guess.

sick lantern
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aren't they in WoNY

ashen jungle
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nope! Rikers and Cleaners only, Rioters (far as I can tell) went the LMB route and were disolved into the other groups.

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There are the random balaclava ppl, but those seem to be all that's left.

sick lantern
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"random balaclava people" isn't that exactly what rioters are tho

ashen jungle
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mostly, they did have their own missions in div1.

sick lantern
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they're not really a faction in the proper sense, just a description given to certain groups or types of people

ashen jungle
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honestly? what happened to them ending is something i wouldnt mind seeing done more. If your leadership has been taken apart, it makes sense for you to stop hanging around in the clubhouse.

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arguably: that description covers Underground and Scavengers, and they're described as Factions too.

sick lantern
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the Underground are very clearly a united group of people with similar motives and methods but the point is- they're factions in the gameplay sense but not in what the definition of a faction is

ashen jungle
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I think that's just splitting hairs at this point. It's the apocalypse, 3 randoms in an abandoned movie theatre calling themselves "the awesome trio" is a Faction if they say they are.

sick lantern
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yes but the point was, the gameplay term/moniker Rioter is different to the separate factions of criminals that make up that term

ashen jungle
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......i was solely talking about the div1 faction making a return (as a joke because MSV have no creativity for Factions at this point), not the grammatical difference between Rioter and rioter.

sick lantern
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riight

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that wasnt sarcastic that was understanding

ashen jungle
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sure?

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yeah sure, lets go with that :p

woven basalt
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i thought the ambushers were an interesting cognate to the looters. hell, i can see looters run out of ammo evolving into something like ambushers.

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hmm.... i pulled theo parnell in elite squad for 4th of july and i noticed they made him way more likable than i remembered in wony.

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like, his status screen animation is him high-fiving a hologram dupe.

sick lantern
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only elite squad fan on planet earth?

woven basalt
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im a div fan, playing es in the interim between seshes

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being alreeady invested in the characters is pretty much the pull for me tbh/

spare arrow
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Bambambamboozled.

ashen jungle
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I'm fairly certain they're actually called "Scavengers" ingame, the faction with the Chainsaw Heavy.

woven basalt
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oh the sewer people?

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oops, then it just me.

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damn, i forgot those guys existed.

sick lantern
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fucking hell even these guys have MGLs? bit unoriginal

woven basalt
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tbf they do look really really cool, even if cliche.

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the rule of tacti-cool, i guess

ashen jungle
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Underground and Scavengers are 2 different factions, of that I'm sure.
I probably confused the heavy tho.

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You can actually very occasionally see the 2 factions fighting.

woven basalt
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is one side using bows and arrows or trash can lid shields?

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outside of random territory fights, most of the time i see faction fighting involves the ambushers

sick lantern
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there should've been an enemy who attacks with discarded smallpox vaccine syringes smh

ashen jungle
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Outcasts :p

woven basalt
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what was that thing they passed around in that one video? a hammer?

ashen jungle
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gonna have to be a touch more specific there.

sick lantern
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the one where the guy pisses his pants?

woven basalt
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the video file in game, not like a players video.

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i cant imagine there were very many videos ingame where they passed around a weapon, but i can look it up.

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yep, it was a hammer. really? i thought that scene was extremely memorable.

ashen jungle
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There's a lot of great vids in the div games, that one is yours. Mine is still the Cleaners intro in div1.

sick lantern
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the faction found footages in div 1 have a lot more flash, theyre a lot more memorable, than the ones in div 2

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imho

woven basalt
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i kinda thought all of it was pretty memorable.

ashen jungle
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Oh they're not bad, but in div1 they were just....directed better I guess. This is all personal opinion of course.

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the screams from that Cleaner vid tho, it's hard to unhear that.

sick lantern
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yea I was about to say direction and cinematography are a big part of it

ashen jungle
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honestly? Same as the audio logs.

woven basalt
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some cleaner hologram footage is pretty brutal

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my partner was like "cmon man" cuz it was just people screaming for over a min

ashen jungle
woven basalt
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and those are extra brutal because it isnt a moving image, the screaming implies so much.

ashen jungle
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okay now ive just gotta flat-out disagree.
1st person beats watching some glowy gif.

woven basalt
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disagree with who? i never said one form was better than another this whole time.

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i kinda like the mix media approach

ashen jungle
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dont get me wrong, both are an interesting design and i do like how they dont break gameplay.

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but 1st person will never be beaten for me. Having the thing happen to you just wins it.

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i do still love the "creepy guy calling woman" and how that turns out, still funny.

woven basalt
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so i guess heartland is the next thing coming down the pipeline. hmm theres a mobage coming out, wonder what thatll be like.

sick lantern
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mobage?

ashen jungle
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glad you said it first

woven basalt
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mobile game, its a portmanteau thats very common.

sick lantern
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MOBileGamE ??

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where's the A from

woven basalt
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sigh. its phonetic.

ashen jungle
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MOBA is what i assumed it was.
most ppl just call them "phone games", or etc.

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the div community just loves its acronyms.

woven basalt
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multiplayer online battle arena is different

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thats lol and dota and stuff

ashen jungle
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you can forgive us there tho, its almost the same word.

sick lantern
woven basalt
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i didn't make the term up.

ashen jungle
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Mob ale, its when you get drunk after burning down a tavern.

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I genuinely think you might've made it up lol

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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ah, weeby. Shouldve known.

woven basalt
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i can tell this is blowing your guys minds, but the force of gravity in the mobile game world isnt the west.

ashen jungle
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i think that sounded cooler in your head

woven basalt
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because im assuming youre not familiar with concept of "force of gravity"?

sick lantern
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chatting mad shit for the guy who caused this confusion lmao

ashen jungle
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hey Kirby, you enjoy Lise games?

sick lantern
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never heard of them

ashen jungle
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ya know, that acronym that i totally didnt just make up for LIve SErvice games.

sick lantern
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well by this logic surely it would be "lase"

ashen jungle
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Laive Service, doesnt have the same ring to it.

woven basalt
ashen jungle
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i genuinely though mobage was gonna be a sex thing.

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full disclosure.

woven basalt
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i would never be so crude.

sick lantern
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no the confusion ended when I said it was Japanese and translated poorly, you're the one who bashed people after that

woven basalt
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especially here, where theres people around 13 yo

ashen jungle
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We're all just having fun here, no need to take things so seriously

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plus, i didnt know that div was getting another phone game.

woven basalt
woven basalt
ashen jungle
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that was uh, kinda to both of you lol.
lets trash talk about the lore some more.

woven basalt
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I'll leave you both to it then.

sleek plover
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Damn I hate LMB

sleek plover
sick lantern
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they’re sewer dwellers and they have access to fucking rotary grenade launchers. it’s repetitive

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like they can steal grenade launchers but not not actual body armour that’s better than chains?

sleek plover
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They probably looted them from corpses,and that means the body armor would be most likely. damaged

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And there is a reason why those MGL are elite-only, they are considered elite cuz they have them

sick lantern
#

couldn’t they have given them improvised pipe guns or something? hell even M79s
modern military high grade equipment doesn’t fit them at all

dry spear
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Yo guys I got a Theory

sick lantern
dry spear
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Alright so

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You know how keener became a Pshyco after the Dark Zone

spare arrow
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yes- part two

dry spear
#

So The theory revolves about Who persuaded him to become one and what is their goal

spare arrow
#

likely no-one

dry spear
#

That is Possible but

spare arrow
#

you dont just get "persuaded" into becoming what keener was

sick lantern
#

who persuaded him to become a sociopath? no one, he was egotistical and power hungry and simply seized an opportunity to make headway in life

dry spear
#

Thats true

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I forgot that Key Fact

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That Keener is a Fucking long line of swears later

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Anyways in liberty island

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Before you enter the Statue he mentions some that goes along the lines of Blah Blah blah I was Shown the bigger picture blah blah

spare arrow
#

thinking about it too hard

dry spear
#

I guess Im pretty damn tired its a been a long day but I guess in a Nutshell we probably all wanted to pull out rocket launchers and vaporize him.

woven basalt
#

it couldve been figurative, like the dark zone itself is what opened keener's eyes to the bigger picture.

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but i wouldnt discount that line being used to pivot the plot into another layer of intrigue (like the russian oligarch and the black tusks reveal).

ashen jungle
#

Reading this thread is gonna give me an aneurysm i swear.

dry spear
ashen jungle
#

I feel almost every theory proposed recently in this thread could be answered by a simple "listen to the ingame media".

sick lantern
ashen jungle
#

how did you even read that?

sick lantern
#

I’m used to it by now

ashen jungle
#

for reals tho, the DZ wasn't some magical place that turned people evil, it was kinda a case-study of "lock people up in an enclosed space long enough, they're gonna do anything to try and get out".

woven basalt
#

i lowkey hope they never lift the curtain on that mystery.

leaden matrix
ashen jungle
#

And what about blues and greens?

leaden matrix
gaunt ice
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trust me,i made this mistake before

ashen jungle
#

Hah, yeah Thanh is getting flashbacks on me calling him out every time.

leaden matrix
ashen jungle
#

Rouge is a shade of Red. Hence my comment about blues and greens.
Rogue is the type of Enemy.

novel thicket
#

I see so many people make that mistake lmao

ashen jungle
#

Used to be a running joke on here, but its way better now!

radiant rover
#

I never want to correct people on it because I like to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume it was a typo

novel thicket
#

They should make an armour dye that’s rouge. Actually, I think there is one.

ashen jungle
#

It's never a typo.

radiant rover
#

you're right I'm just lying to myself at this point

sleek plover
#

❌

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Thats literally the rikers emblem

sick lantern
#

☣️

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borderline the outcasts emblem

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👀
☣️

mint citrus
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♻️

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Cleaner's Emblem!

leaden matrix
ashen jungle
#

more like div2surrender

leaden matrix
plush sand
# spare arrow you dont just get "persuaded" into becoming what keener was

Agents are picked partially for their creative problem solving and proactive attitude when all the constructs of society break down. They need to operate without said constructs supporting them.

Also - I don't believe anyone could truly be prepared for this type of situation.

Keener was traumatized, and that definitely played a part in his snapping. But he also applied his large intellect to the situation and came to a conclusion.

Insane? Yep. Just wrong? Yep. Bourne of extreme trauma? Yep. But it was a thought process.

IMHO

spare arrow
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Thats the point i was making. He saw a way to get power, and he took it.

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Dici was thinking someone showed him what could be, when it was likely just him realizing the grab for power he could make

plush sand
plush sand
spare arrow
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Dont think the second part is the case?

plush sand
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Don't think it was a power grab primarily. He was shown the way things really are.

spare arrow
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Sure, but it lead into a power grab, or atleast a scheme.

plush sand
#

🤔 thinking back I now recall how was a bit power hungry, and seemed to be aware of that and to be acting with that in mind. But I still don't think that's how it started...

plush sand
spare arrow
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no need to ping every reply

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I'm here

plush sand
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Lol

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Sry

sick lantern
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He got into slightly bad situation and realised he had the potential to dislodge the power structure and place himself at the top. He saw weakness in the JTF due to the failure of the DZ and decided to exploit that to his own gain

woven basalt
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hmm... im gonna read up on that russian oligarchy again (or find the associated ngn video), i think i've forgotten how many and which strings they were pulling. because afaik or recall, keener seemed like the ultimate man behind the rogue tech at liberty island.

spare arrow
#

anyways kirby is here, you'll have a better time talkin to them about this than me

sick lantern
#

😎why thankyou

ashen jungle
#

Serenity, Rivens. Serenity.

spare arrow
#

Firefly!

plush sand
#

Trauma > new world view > self righteous actions > power grab

ashen jungle
#

Argo is going to the special hell.

spare arrow
#

What happened this time rivs

ashen jungle
#

oh him just in general every single reply is migraine worthy

spare arrow
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understandable, but bear with it atleast

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Least a bit

ashen jungle
#

booze helps.

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tbh, MSV's approach to rewriting lore isn't helping. It's confused the hell out of this chat for a start.

sick lantern
plush sand
#

... Now that he's been traumatized. That can pound the empathy out of those that survive.

woven basalt
#

i think the "lord of the flies" effect is more about revealing who people are than traumatizing them into something else.

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im assuming keener was always a dick.

ashen jungle
#

See, like that. Keener is absolutely not that at all, but I guess with how much it's been nuked and reset, ppl can read what they want into it.

plush sand
#

One of the recordings showed how keener cared about the people he was trying to protect in the dz

ashen jungle
plush sand
#

Yep

sick lantern
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“A futures trader before the crisis, Keener always sees himself as the smartest man in the room”
I don’t think he lost his empathy because of trauma. I think he lost it as a natural development of who he is as a person when exposed to trying circumstances. The opportunity presented itself and he chose power over empathising with people’s struggles and helping them, because he always saw himself as powerful

ashen jungle
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Rogues aren't some special badguy, they were just Agents who were decent people, saw the world dying around them and then saw all their friends die after being locked in a plague hell-zone.
That's the great thing about Rogues: we absolutely would've been one of them if we were around back then. To some extent, we would've gone off-mission.

"all it takes is one bad day to turn a good man cruel" is the best description I can think of here.

plush sand
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I think they all did to some degree. Except for the player in the campaign whos on rails.

woven basalt
plush sand
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Kinda like the mark of a smart star trek captain is knowing how to bend the prime directive and working up the gumption to do so. ..

late void
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agents who lost faith in the 'system' (now represented by the division) as truly having humanities best interests at heart

ashen jungle
plush sand
ashen jungle
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Nope, they were the first agents in Second Wave, Lau was the replacement commander. That is the story.

late void
#

like Faye Lau, realised that Ellis working with Black Tusk meant the Division was essentially not aligned to everyone's best interests, so killed him

woven basalt
plush sand
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Case in point: in TD1 right off the bat Lau tells you she ended up getting invested in NY against training

woven basalt
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i dont think we can compare what happened to the 1st wave to the others though

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that was another level of brutal

plush sand
#

I'm not saying that they jumped off the division boat, just that they were willing to bend division protocall

ashen jungle
#

WONY as a concept is a good idea, but absolutely could've been done in a new city instead of retroactively ruining so many old storylines.

sick lantern
#

^

late void
#

the first bit of it made sense to me (her going undercover as 'rogue' and killing Ellis), but then trying to blame it on the Division and killing you seemed less in-character

plush sand
#

Kelso tells you to "kill them all". Like the directive is primarily a revenge spree instead of ensuring safety. Even if the task would be required either way. For example - leaving stragglers to flee.

ashen jungle
#

hell, Paul randomly reverts to total paranoia after it significantly lessening by the end of div1.

sick lantern
#

got so paranoid he broke his vocal chords lol

ashen jungle
#

you have no idea how privately funny that is

cold bramble
#

Don't forget you have all those conspiracies that kelso is also a secret rogue.

woven basalt
#

yep

cold bramble
#

Lol

woven basalt
#

before the faye reveal, that was said a bunch.

ashen jungle
#

Oh god that "Kelso is a rogue" crap, im convinced its solely because shes a female agent.

woven basalt
#

could be that one mission where her coms disconnect for 2/3rds of the mission, seemed like that was designed to sow seeds of doubt.

cold bramble
#

Some people say its because "she said she broken her division wristwatch" in one of those damn missions and that she may've killed another agent, and the one where her watch is a slight redish color instead of orange.

late void
#

she's certainly less 'toe-the-line' in temperament than most types, which feeds the idea - you get the feeling if she decided the Division wasn't really a force for the good she'd turn against it in a heartbeat

ashen jungle
#

Yeah its canon that she's broken it a bunch of times and keeps on needing replacements.

spare arrow
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"Slight redish colour" yeah thats orange

woven basalt
#

oh right, and that look between her and the president when you unlock world levels, that was.... something.

ashen jungle
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lol was gonna say Aspect.

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I think that's just because she knows he's a sleazeball, like every single president, Hopper.

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its a tom clancy story, so of course the politician is the bad guy.
im just amazed they waited until WONY to make a villain with an eye patch a thing.

woven basalt
#

im glad nothing bad happened to her, sometimes theyll make a character extra likable just to create a bigger effect.

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groan, if they give her the "faye treatment" in the new content, lol.

ashen jungle
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lol, dibs on calling she was a bad guy if they give her a hook hand.

woven basalt
#

lmao

cold bramble
# spare arrow "Slight redish colour" yeah thats orange

I meant as in, some people said in certain scenes her wrist watch color was a darker orange than the light orange one that they were use to. although I don't agree with it that's their reasoning behind why they think shes rogue. (I haven't even looked at the supposed scenes nor do I pay attention to any of them so I dunno if that part is even true)

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Probably the lighting though made it like that.

ashen jungle
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Yeah that's not how those watches work. It's orange or red, that's it.

sick lantern
#

i think the watch colour is a moot point and just pedantics ngl

cold bramble
spare arrow
ashen jungle
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just how I like my Rogues watches.

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(or flashing, before Kirby calls me on that lol)

sick lantern
#

better dead than red 😤

ashen jungle
#

Liberty Prime DLC for div2 when

plush sand
#

Don't think Kelso is rogue. She just does things her way and, if need be, would probably bend protocol to get it done.

cold bramble
late void
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I'm waiting for when they reveal that Black Tusk is based in secret underwater bases, and to take them out you have to join a special Naval task force called the sub-division

plush sand
#

She would also be the first to say that The Division is far from perfect. But it's all they've got for the role it needs to fill. it's better than the alternatives and an agent does have the leeway and resources to do what's right.

cold bramble
#

The division will eventually die out due to the fact that they aren't even doing any recruiting anymore, and I highly doubt that the world will go back to being "peaceful" without any enemy factions etc.

plush sand
#

Yep

late void
cold bramble
#

Lol, honestly though the division was made out to be a "perfect shadow agency" or something like that, when in reality they're recruiting process was absolute trash.

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Not that I have anything against Kelso but by division standards she shouldn't have been recruited based on her psych eval (although I do like her as an agent just stating the obvious), which makes me think of how many more passes they put on people.

sick lantern
cold bramble
sick lantern
#

maybe they just pull an RE6 and give them a big ass boat cus why not ¯_(ツ)_/¯

cold bramble
sick lantern
#

perhaps some kind of bipedal robot capable of launching warheads

sick lantern
#

seriously
am I the only one who thinks a metal gear crossover of sorts would’ve been kind of cool? the devs are big fans also

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it would be like fighting a razorback or marauder, but cooler

leaden matrix
#

only you~

sick lantern
#

😨

leaden matrix
#

i dont want cardboards as cover

supple zephyr
#

An aircraft carrier mission would be pretty awesome. Lots of fighting like in the Emergency Bunker; long hallways, close quarters.

sick lantern
#

counterargument- cool robot

woven basalt
#

i'd dig a snake costume, not gonna... wait, scratch that, i wouldnt mind a cyberninja (wolf version) outfit.

sick lantern
#

psycho mantis fight where you have to change builds mid fight to counteract his mind reading 👀

gaunt ice
#

nah nah nah you got the wrong idea Kirby

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slap every stupid armor pieces together,then use the shittiest of weapons to give him a stroke

woven basalt
#

lol, i always had a suikoden save on my ps1 memory card, so mantis always mentioned that ive played the game.

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less menacing when the villain stops to talk about video games.

gaunt ice
#

hot take:Keener planned for everything in the game to happen

woven basalt
#

especially when its a jrpg

gaunt ice
#

the outbreak,virus,rogues,Tusk...

woven basalt
#

his death.... all according to plan

gaunt ice
#

i guess he planned his downfall too,i mean the whole Rogue network and the fact that a season is literally called Keener's Legacy

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oh wait,Ubi de-canonised it

woven basalt
#

i was just thinking about it, it could get pivoted that way.

sick lantern
#

The problem that people have isn’t that Keener supposedly planned for his own death. The problem is that it’s an act of character assassination to imply that he would. Keener’s more likely to sacrifice everything to keep himself alive than make a contingency to spite his killers

gaunt ice
#

i mean,him dying was never part of his plans,sure

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but he has a backup plan for when it does happen

cold bramble
#

Yeah but keeners legacy went down the drain when hornet died lol.

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Don't think he planned his "legacy"

sick lantern
# gaunt ice but he has a backup plan for when it does happen

whet even make the rogue network then? it has little benefit to him, and sure maybe it encourages more agents to go rogue but if it covers the entire country then he’ll gain little from that
unless his plan is to change his enemies from the shd to rogue agents across the country, seems kind of counter intuitive

gaunt ice
cold bramble
#

Yeah but in a recording he said he didn't care so eh.

gaunt ice
ashen jungle
#

final mission of div1.

gaunt ice
#

1.he wanted to bring everything down with him(which is kinda convincing)

cold bramble
gaunt ice
cold bramble
#

and by died of his own virus I mean he died before keener could talk to him.

woven basalt
ashen jungle
#

It's been like 5 years, i was pretty close.
Whichever guy with the eastern european name made them for him.

cold bramble
#

I'm pretty sure he took the info of the dollar flu and modified it for this new virus.

gaunt ice
ashen jungle
#

wait no, it was deffo Amherst because their body was in that apartment.

cold bramble
#

Yeah but I'm pretty sure his apartment was his secondary lab or something.

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But keener didn't actually kill amherst.

ashen jungle
sick lantern
#

Keener took Tchernenko, his research from the consulate, and Amherst’s notes and 3D protein printer

cold bramble
gaunt ice
#

guy was wearing a hazpro suit and had a gaping bullet hole on his head,of course its zA vIrUs

cold bramble
#

I'm pretty sure he just took all of amherst's information on the dollar flu, but he didn't have anything to do with actually making/taking notes on the new virus.

ashen jungle
#

I am searching for the actual scene now, it's an Echo straight over from Camp Clinton in Div1.

cold bramble
ashen jungle
sick lantern
#

Amherst died of the green poison yea, he was a darwinist so he ensured he was infected to be fair

cold bramble
#

Yeah but I'd assume amherst would've died before keener got there.

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Or around the time keener got there.

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Considering that he modified it to be a long incubation period, I'd assume around 1-2 weeks.

ashen jungle
#

yep, okay watched it. Was amherst's notes and a "DNA printer"

gaunt ice
#

its true that Amherst got infected,but he was killed by Keener,no?

cold bramble
#

The game implies he just died from his own virus lol

ashen jungle
#

its not explicitly said i dont think, id have to run-through the campaign again to be sure

woven basalt
#

yeah.

sick lantern
#

Keener would want Amherst alive like Tchernenko, Amherst was dead before Keener arrived

woven basalt
#

i didnt get any indication that it was keener either.

cold bramble
#

Yeah.

gaunt ice
spare arrow
#

from his own virus.

cold bramble
sick lantern
woven basalt
#

but im totally cool blaming everything on keener, its not like he doesnt deserve it.

cold bramble
#

But yeah those notes are like I said probably from the dollar flu.

ashen jungle
cold bramble
#

Tcherneko probably was the one who actually used those notes more than likely and modified them for the new virus.

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Keener is somewhat smart yes, but hes not a whole biochemist

ashen jungle
#

This is the most we have to go off for Amherst's death. Might've been a bullet, might've been Green Poison. Looks more like the virus tho.
https://imgur.com/a/ZnUbyXi

cold bramble
#

The bullet in other parts of manhattan/new york or whatever you wanna call it you can see JTF dead with blood and whatnot so if it was a bullet wound I'd assume we would see blood

ashen jungle
cold bramble
#

Mhm.

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Tchernenko had it because of his research of all the viruses that are in dollar flu

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He specifically made the solutions, and amherst just took those solutions and modified the virus to make it more lethal, etc.

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And in I think the russian consulate mission tchernenko's notes are in that one computer, so he also got them from there more than likely.

ashen jungle
#

God, hearing Amhers's monologue in the final bit is just damn creepy. Well done to that VA there.

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He almost sounds hopeful, but for entirely the wrong reason.

cold bramble
#

Honestly I agree with all of amherst's points that the world is greedy and whatnot

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But I would never make a virus that would kill a majority of humanity

sick lantern
#

man’s just wanted to save the turtles

ashen jungle
#

lets not get into the pros and cons of mass genocide.

cold bramble
#

We aren't, just saying its wrong on all levels. Lol

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Even if you have the best reasons to do it

ashen jungle
#

Noooope, not going down that rabbit hole.

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Actually that's answered in 2, kinda.

sick lantern
#

Amherst had been to the Russian lab where the samples were stored and he 3D printed his own

cold bramble
#

Oh.

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Bruh I thought those labs had high tech security

#

how does he get a whole 3rd printed virus sample out of a high security lab

sick lantern
#

no he used his own printer

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the one Keener takes

cold bramble
#

Hmph.

ashen jungle
#

im fairly sure the NSA lab in DC had something to do with it. Amherst worked there, or at least was mentioned there.

cold bramble
#

It just seems overall confusing that he had smallpox samples and no one noticed

sick lantern
#

In Div 1 loading screens it says Amherst met Tchernenko at the Russian lab (I THINK) and got the idea of 3D virus printing from him

cold bramble
ashen jungle
#

If I had to guess, Amherst probably rendered them inert and injected himself, then took samples and mass-produced them later on.

cold bramble
#

Or do you just need the random files which I doubt they'd give out to just anyone

sick lantern
#

being a biologist, he knew the genetic makeup and he had his own printer

cold bramble
#

Or he would've died from it more than likely.

ashen jungle
#

okay read the word "inert" there, as in, non-symptomatic.

cold bramble
#

Yeah but I have high doubts for that.

#

Wait lemme check something

ashen jungle
#

at some point you have to bow to fiction taking a leap. Do we know where he got all the money from to start Black Friday in the first place?

cold bramble
#

Question is for that is how many dollar bills did he give out? lol

ashen jungle
#

In the canon he went to all the major stores and spent them there.

sick lantern
#

can’t have been more than a couple hundred/thousand dollars, and if you know the world is going to end then he could just withdraw that easily from his account

ashen jungle
#

highest concentrations of potential infected that way, at major traffic routes.

cold bramble
#

Yeah but I'd imagine a majority of the bills were infected due to fomites

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(Fomites are essentially hand to hand or touch to touch whatever you wanna call it contact)

ashen jungle
#

lets not get all literal technical, we are still talking about a series where you have unlimited portable turrets.

cold bramble
#

Lol

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But I'd assume the incubation period for dollar flu was around a few days

sick lantern
#

made out of FN P90s which aren’t present in their non stripped down version for some reason

cold bramble
#

I honestly am kinda curious as to the incubation of the dollar flu

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Amherst said he sped it up, smallpox takes around 1-2 weeks to form.

#

Maybe a few days?

ashen jungle
ashen jungle
cold bramble
#

Yeah but in the official timeline 3 days after black friday the symptoms start to show.

#

So I dunno.

ashen jungle
#

time is screwy in div games. It was winter for years after all.

#

theres actually a joke in div1 about how the government set up weather machines, thats why its still snowing in American summer.

cold bramble
#

Lol

#

I prefer div 1's atmosphere than div 2's

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The snowy post apocalyptic manhattan seemed more interesting

ashen jungle
#

both have their points, i do like the tropical feel of DC

cold bramble
#

Dunno why but new york always felt more eerie in terms of atmosphere

sick lantern
#

that’s the common consensus, Div 1 is a lot darker than Div 2

ashen jungle
#

For me it's simple: div2 is more arcade, div1 is more eerie.
arcade works better for long term play, eerie succeeds at solo atmosphere.

cold bramble
#

It's probably because you think of new york as crowded and whatnot and now its literally nothing

#

trashbags everywhere, body bags also, contaminated areas, etc.

ashen jungle
#

i mean i think of CSI: NY, i keep expecting a The Who song to play.

cold bramble
#

You have the occasional dog/rat or people but eh.

drifting lotus
ashen jungle
#

Baba o'Rielly I think it was? yeah thats it

ashen jungle
#

unarmed ones.

cold bramble
#

Bruh I don't pay attention to those people

ashen jungle
#

the DZ? yes, desolate. Same as in div2.

cold bramble
#

they look at me once and then run away

#

I feel offended.

ashen jungle
#

if you didnt have your gun out, they'd wave to you.

cold bramble
#

Just kidding but yeah.

woven basalt
#

huh, interesting, csi:cyber also used a who song

ashen jungle
#

Yeah they all do.

woven basalt
#

oh damn, thats cool.

cold bramble
# drifting lotus It was totally the snow.

I think it was because of the fact that if you think about it, new york is suppose to be crowded and population and now its snow, body bags, trash bags everywhere, and contaminated areas.

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With the few people you come across on each street.

ashen jungle
# woven basalt oh damn, thats cool.

Wont get fooled again, who are you for miami and vegas respectively.
theres actually a new one coming out, reboot of CSI vegas with the old cast.

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ngl, showing my age here but i did like those shows.

drifting lotus
#

The only reason it was warm enough in NY is how busy NY always was... with no one on the street, NY is probably similar to most states that have streets frosting over.

cold bramble
#

Mhm.

#

Everyones use to seeing new york crowded and or actually populated.

#

Yes its still populated but it dramatically dropped because of the virus which is a big oof

ashen jungle
#

i like how the 2 americans were just having this whole weather conversation and hopper and i trailed off about tv show theme songs.

cold bramble
#

lol

#

Anyway the divisions story about dollar flu and whatnot are probably the more interesting story I've heard out of all the storylines I've heard in other games.

ashen jungle
#

That may be from what its based off, fascinating thing.
i admit, way more interesting than whatever Splinter Cell is doing now, way smarter than Breakpoint too.

sick lantern
#

so I finished watching NGN’s videos on the Extremis Malis comics today. What ended up happening to those three agents? afaik they’re barely mentioned in game

ashen jungle
sick lantern
#

Heather something, Brian Dunne and some other git
they’re the three agents from the intro cutscene and the collector’s edition statues

#

Heather’s in an ECHO and that’s it according to a wiki commenter

woven basalt
#

the e3 crew?

ashen jungle
#

physical editions didnt exist in my country so no idea, lemme see if i can find them.

cold bramble
#

I honestly have no clue.

sick lantern
cold bramble
#

I'd assume they'd be at the base of operations though.

#

Considering they went to DC to fix the isaac node

woven basalt
#

they were from the e3 trailer, they appear in the comic, and as costumes in div2.

ashen jungle
#

Oh brian Johnson?

woven basalt
#

also figures and statues

sick lantern
#

thing is they had knowledge on the Black Tusk before they revealed themselves, so their fate is pretty important to the timeline

woven basalt
#

theres another e3 crew for div1, but i forget their names

#

bronson, ryan, and.... something

cold bramble
ashen jungle
#

Okay so officially, "Dunne, Johnson, and Ward are all in NYC to fight Keener".

sick lantern
cold bramble
#

All of which went rogue.

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Sad lil boi hours.

ashen jungle
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Brian Johnson, Caleb Dunne, Heather Ward.

cold bramble
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If I'm not mistaken anyway they went rogue the ryan bunch.

sick lantern
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in the DZ E3 trailer?

ashen jungle
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"The actual trailer hints that Johnson, together with Ward and Dunne, are in New York to fight against Aaron Keener. "

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so probs not Rogue

woven basalt
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they mean the div1 e3 crew

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ryan, bronson, and megan

sick lantern
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“nah mates there’s this guy called the Sheriff around, he/she can handle it”

cold bramble
ashen jungle
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well Bronson is in the mobile (not) division game, so his canon is screwed either way.

sick lantern
#

they show up to DC, see a paper plane that says “help” and think “yea shit’s fucked it’s a lost cause let’s bugger off”

woven basalt
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yeah, that game isnt hard canon.

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like we mentioned before, charles bliss.

ashen jungle
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ya know, Megan at least has a hunter axe on her back.

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as in, carrying one. Which uh, isn't normal for Agents.

sick lantern
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in ES?

ashen jungle
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Nope, her portrait on the wiki, which i know, the wiki, but is still official art.

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Bronson at least is mentioned as "NY" and "alive", btw.

spare arrow
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My thought is the axes are semi-standard division issue, but not mandatory to carry.

sick lantern
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Division agents do carry survival axes sometimes, probably just a reused concept/sketch

spare arrow
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Hell, my outdoors pack has a survival axe in it.

ashen jungle
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idk like, only time you really see them ingame is on Hunters.

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still have nightmares about that div1 Hunter.

spare arrow
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idk rivs the only time you see div watches are on agents and rogues

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idk

woven basalt
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one weird thing in ES is dr. kandel is wearing a watch and wielding an uzi.

ashen jungle
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exactly! anyone with a watch who isnt an Agent is clearly a rogue and must be killed.

ashen jungle
spare arrow
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them rouges be mean

woven basalt
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the mobile not division game

sick lantern
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Cleaners have M2 flamethrowers in official art, it’s just proof of concept/vibe

woven basalt
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sorry, i shouldve just said.

spare arrow
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the tom clancy gacha (?) game

ashen jungle
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i dont think we need to shorten that one lol, i doubt more than 3 people here have played it.
and i mean in the world.

sick lantern
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fair

spare arrow
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keep it as ES, hopper

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out of spite

ashen jungle
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im still salty that Bliss is in it, ngl.
ruins the good story of him and Sam Fisher in one blow.

spare arrow
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fish man is in breakpoint & wildlands as well

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all the mistypes today

ashen jungle
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yeah but like, Fisher "pardoned" Bliss in ES

woven basalt
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oh, right.

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i forgot what the wildland dlc was called.

ashen jungle
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he pardoned a war criminal because he can shoot a gun.

sick lantern
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it’s an alternate universe where elite military units are allowed to partner up with a ruddy colombian drug lord just to fight this one group

ashen jungle
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breathe rivs, just breathe

spare arrow
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yeah the epitome of non-canon

woven basalt
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yeah, exactly, the opening cinematic is literally the good guys recruiting the baddies from wildlands

ashen jungle
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Nah, epitome is still: Silent Hill 2 dog ending.

gaunt ice
#

alternative universes

sick lantern
#

Dr Monty is the DEVIL

ashen jungle
#

the wildlands one at least can be stretched i suppose. In canon he does live.

sick lantern
#

man CoD zombies plot went to shit but let’s not get off topic

woven basalt
#

the sam fisher bit in far cry new dawn is harder.

ashen jungle
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kirby's right, we should rag on the weather in nyc more.

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hands up who wants to shoot the radio jerk?

woven basalt
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theres a message sam sends to the division, about most of the US being nuked in 2018...

ashen jungle
#

Rick Valassi, the real antagonist.

woven basalt
#

maybe to my ears, his voice grated after a while.

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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the entire game all i could hear was "alan jones wannabe" and it was like being 6yrs old all over again.

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(australian trashy radio guy)

sick lantern
#

I think Vikram Malik is the Judy Walters of Div 2 lol

ashen jungle
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he cant sing as well, or worse

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still havent decided if Mamma Mia was funny or just bad.

woven basalt
#

lol, what if they keyser soze us with our own agent.

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it was us all along.

ashen jungle
#

i was totally waiting for them to pull a Forsaken and have our Agent say like 3 words.

woven basalt
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ooh, people wouldve raged.

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or it seems people do all the time now

ashen jungle
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youd think so, but it totally worked in des2

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2 games, totally silent. Nathan Fillion gets killed:
"imma beat his ass"

woven basalt
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lol.

ashen jungle
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ideal voice cast for Agents?

spare arrow
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it was nolan north

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anyways my pick is nolan north

ashen jungle
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shh, lemme have rose tinted glasses over this

spare arrow
#

HE DID A GREAT JOB

ashen jungle
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he genuinely did, even in Last Word.

spare arrow
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like, half the people i talk to about that say "wait that wasnt fillion?"

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and i'm like "ya, look it up."

ashen jungle
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i could only tell when he was flipping all those switches, legit was amazing at it.

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it was fun hearing Ghost argue with himself tho

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ooh theres a thought: OG ghost's VA as Agent voice.
"that black tusk came from the moon"

spare arrow
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in BL, drifter's va was off doing whatever, and they asked for a drifter impression from north

gaunt ice
#

remember when everyone forgot that the div1 agent guy existed?

spare arrow
#

he did a spot on ratman

sick lantern
#

ERB: Ghost vs ISAC

spare arrow
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ghost, he actually has a personality and cares

ashen jungle
gaunt ice
#

like,once

ashen jungle
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not even a question.

gaunt ice
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and its not even good

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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every time i hear ISAC say "calibrations" i get a little fangirl skip.

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heathens.
ISAC's VA is Garrus from Mass Effect.

spare arrow
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ghost's VA is.... actually a ton of people

ashen jungle
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oh nolan north doesnt count, hes everyone

spare arrow
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Oh you thought you were talking to your old friend? SIKE ITS NOLAN NORTH

ashen jungle
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i do like that for a time we had 2 actors from Firefly in des2.

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and a 3rd with a DLC of course

spare arrow
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then they killed her offscreen

ashen jungle
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(Sagira)

spare arrow
woven basalt
ashen jungle
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oh yeah he's attached to disney isn't he, great work Alan!

sick lantern
#

what if Rick Valassi is involved with the Hunters

spare arrow
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rick valassi is the hunters

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all of them,

ashen jungle
#

iwillnotmakeajokeaboutpicklerickhuntersiwillnotmakeajokeaboutpicklerickhunters

spare arrow
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look morty

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i'm in a tom clancy game

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i'm pickle rick valassi hunter

ashen jungle
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<rivens has poured bleach in her eyes>

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for reals tho, who would be Jerry? I'm saying maybe Odessa.

spare arrow
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the one judgemental dude you had to save from hyenas

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malik? sounds right

ashen jungle
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there we go
Kelso is morty.

woven basalt
woven basalt
sick lantern
spare arrow
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sound right

sick lantern
#

I’m sure that plot will get resolved at some point petter

round sinew
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Lots of messages

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Did we get a crumb of content?

sick lantern
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nope

sick lantern
#

then again, I doubt most people have cared about Extremis Malis, so the NGN videos on it may as well be

sick lantern
#

wdym?

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oh yea for sure

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isn’t Heather in one ECHO and that’s it?

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I tried to watch a video on all the Division 2 echos but... the BTSU are fuckin losers NGL and I couldn’t be bothered to keep watching

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Thing is these are important characters too. They knew (in limited capacity) about the existence of the Black Tusk and their anti-SHD motives before any JTF/CM in Washington. We need an explanation as to what happened to prevent them from relaying this information

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They made statues of these guys! and they just get ignored

mint citrus
#

Honestly Div 2 has almost reached Metal Gear status with its lore

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All we're missing are the La Li Lu Le Lo

spare arrow
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We've got no "engravings serve no tactical advantage whatsoever" and no "Nanomachines, son" equivalents, so we are almost there.

sick lantern
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the BTSU owners are the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo obviously

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we’ve had lots of fun with nanomachines and nanoservos already, and we can’t forget that we have the “True Sons of Liberty”

round sinew
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NGN did a video on Extremist Malice?

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Nice.

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Good series. Hope he does Brokeback Dawn soon.

woven basalt
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.... what dawn?

gaunt ice
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he was referring to Broken Dawn

sick lantern
#

the one with the hypocrite rogue agent right

gaunt ice
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bad but not actually bad agent rogue right?

sick lantern
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is a nice guy but works with the black tusk for some reason

near ibex
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Out of nowhere today I came up with a LMB, black tusk, true sons faction

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That I want to make a symbol of

sleek plover
sleek plover
near ibex
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You realllllly would

sleek plover
sick lantern
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i don’t think that’d make it past the ratings

woven basalt
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this ^, theyve been making major efforts (including partnerships) to get their games approved in china. that kinda gratuitous violence won't fly. well, until someone creates that mod.

round sinew
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Can't wait for Division 3 to take place in Wuhan.

gaunt ice
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it kinda happened,its called silencing

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that time when they tried to hide it,arrested some dudes for spreading the news?

ashen jungle
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So glad spoilers-chat is all about lore still.

sick lantern
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guys let’s keep it like The Division 2 please, not political

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Honestly I don’t see the comparisons between The Division and Covid-19. The world of TD is going full on global societal reform and we had to stay indoors for a few months

zinc atlas
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Tom Clancy is notorious for predicting huge political events. Remaining objective, he has even been called on by Congress to report what he knows simply because his books have predicted large scale events and interventions. He prided himself on his geopolitical knowledge. His writing showed that.

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He predicted a significantly large biological threat that would impact the United States. The parallel is that we did experience it and, despite being medically capable of being prepared, were not mentally as a result of....numerous things. In any case, he still predicted a biological threat would impact the US as well as the world.

gaunt ice
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thing is,bringing politics into things will get people divided

sick lantern
# zinc atlas Tom Clancy is notorious for predicting huge political events. Remaining objectiv...

let’s see... predicted 9/11? well as a terror event involving a plane yes but he got the context and targets completely wrong so we can discredit that
russia-georgia war? he wasn’t the only one so we can discredit that
bin laden’s capture? he said he would’ve been in a completely different continent so we can discredit that
government spying on communications? maybe but i don’t think you need to be a genius to try to predict that
also Clancy himself had nothing to do with The Division :^

zinc atlas
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I never said Clancy had any direct influence in the division. He's been dead for I don't even recall how long. Simply getting locations wrong doesn't mean the implication wasn't there. That's like saying I can predict what kind of cereal you'll eat, but then you eat a different cereal. The events happened and varied with margins of error obviously. He's not clairvoyant, but his geopolitical understanding was remarkable.

sick lantern
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“a plane could be used in a terror attack” is not a geopolitical take

zinc atlas
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You're right, I'm confident that's all his thousand page novels ever postulated for his synopsis.

sick lantern
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If he had said “the US’ aggressive foreign policy will have repercussions for the American people” I would be agreeing with you but afaik he’s closer to an ARMA RP’er than a political commentator

zinc atlas
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I mean, it's not like he has intelligence clearances like the secretary of state. Most the man could have done was speculate

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I don't think he's like "Nostradamus" if you believe that nonsense, but he definitely had a keen understanding of the atmosphere

ashen jungle
sick lantern
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I wish the Black Tusk weren't involved with Russians. It's so cliche. I wouldn't really mind if any foreign power, maybe even China at this point, were the bad guys instead of Russians

sleek plover
zinc atlas
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Yeah, it's awful that on a global scale one of the largest economies and powers is always involved. It's like the globe is involved with....the rest of the globe.

ashen jungle
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soon as i realised my first thought was "oh oh course, Americans"

zinc atlas
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This is rich.

ashen jungle
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Elaborate.

zinc atlas
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I just think it's hysterical all around.

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I'll state outright that, yes, I'm American. That said, I don't give 2-fucks about it. I know how the world views us and in so many damn ways, I do not disagreee.

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However, Tom Clancy died in 2013. His namesake was literally bought out by Ubisoft, a French company, in 2015.

ashen jungle
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I think you're seriously misreading the situation here.
I'm whining that most big videogames just have the same 3 bad guys over and over. Don't read too much into it.

zinc atlas
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I hate that so much is centric to America, honestly. I love learning, exploring, and enveloping so much culture elsewhere, but it seems naive to think stories won't expand with America involved.

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Oh yeah, for sure!

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I'm a bit drunk, but I enjoy the conversation. Not going to get mad, berate, or belittle anyone. I just figured it's good conversation.

sick lantern
ashen jungle
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(it was also a trope for a looooong time that Russians were the default bad guys, even in situations where it made no sense, which is a pet-peeve of mine, I know some Russians and they're lovely people)

leaden matrix
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the meme is so bad its dead. even gta 5 has russians

ashen jungle
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i honestly thought div1 was gonna subvert it where it turned out the Russians were innocent and the Rogues were the real evil, but then it just kinda blended (see, Master at getting back to the channels topic)

zinc atlas
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I mean, I approach the dynamic at this point. How is the game delivered, what is happening? I enjoy the story. I don't know what Ubisoft intended, but all I know of Clancy outside of his literature is that he was a staunch Conservative (obviously American conservative, as I know that distinction is necessary) and that he enjoyed military diatribes. He also grew up in the middle of the cold war. It's no surprise to me that he had a mentality towards Russians/Communism, even if it was ill-formed and processed only through nonsensical anti-communists.

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Yeah, for sure.

sick lantern
zinc atlas
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I haven't met many Russians in person, but i've spoken and across the board I enjoy it.

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I don't shame or have some sort of abject disgust because of herigate.

ashen jungle
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I have nothing but comtempt for Clancy himself and his.....views. I'm actually very happy it's not in his hands anymore. The ideas are more interesting than the man.

zinc atlas
#

Heritage*

ashen jungle
sick lantern
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oh yea for sure

zinc atlas
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Honestly, American Conservatism has gone down the absolute drain. It's pretty disgusting what our politics have become. If I could have a serious impact on that, I would do it in a heartbeat.

ashen jungle
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Again, let's just not get into politics here. I'd hate to start hating people lol.

leaden matrix
#

i am wondering if putin is still president of Russia in Division universe 🤣

gaunt ice
#

the story of wony is me trying to come up with an essay in 5 minutes to give my teachers

gaunt ice
leaden matrix
#

that explains why blacktusk exist

ashen jungle
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screw it, not worth

leaden matrix
#

🤣

gaunt ice
#

thats actually relatable

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my teacher gave us 3 weeks to do an essay on how vietnam will be in 30 years

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i did it in 2 hours prior to the deadline

zinc atlas
#

Papers are a joke to trod through if you know the minimum of whats expected

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but definite kudos for writing it in 2 hours

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^_^

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In any case, at this point, as far as Tom Clancy is concerned,....all games after 2015 are just Ubisoft using it as a marketing tactic...which sucks

ashen jungle
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Actually it's 2008 onwwards, thats when the license changed hands.

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(there's articles from that time)

gaunt ice
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you know,Wildlands is kinda realistic in some ways,so i wouldnt say that Ubisucc did Clancy too dirty

ashen jungle
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I did love Wildlands, but this is starting to veer wildly off-topic again. Can we swing it back around? I'll try.

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"im glad that Ghost Recon didnt try and tie-in to div canon"
phew, got there.

gaunt ice
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i am not very confident about that

sick lantern
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As far as I'm concerned, The division is the end goal of the Rainbow Six/Ghost Recon/Splinter cell amalgamation universe

zinc atlas
#

@ashen jungle 2008? I looked up a couple articles, honestly, because of the conversation. It said Ubisoft more or less bought his name in 2015. Maybe I misread it XD

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Man, I want another Splinter Cell game. I don't imagine we'll get it, but i'm super hopeful.

ashen jungle
gaunt ice
#

anyways,ubisoft connected universe anyone?

ashen jungle
gaunt ice
#

i mean,we dont exactly know the precise time any of the game events take place

ashen jungle
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Actually we sorta do, as long as the thing that told us is still canon.

gaunt ice
sick lantern
#

The Division is set in 2029

ashen jungle
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There's evidence in div1 of dates, there is specific years in Breakpoint (flash forward scenes iirc, and a few others).

gaunt ice
ashen jungle
#

theres also that one div1 fan-page which mentions 2019 as the year, but i dont think thats canon anymore.

sick lantern
gaunt ice
#

wait wait wait

spare arrow
#

waiting

gaunt ice
#

there's a precise date for div1's black friday?

ashen jungle
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IIRC there's also a football game going on around the time of div1, which limits it quite a lot.
the movie posters right Kirby?

sick lantern
#

.

gaunt ice
zinc atlas
#

I would love to keep talking about this all or at least reading and absorbing all of your knowledge, but it's 3am and my wife is gonne beat my ass because the pregnancy gave her dreams of who knows what the fuck,.... so

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imma head to bed LOL

gaunt ice
spare arrow
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i'm finishing up p5r atm so ya get persona 4

zinc atlas
#

Enjoy the morning/afternoon/night, gents

ashen jungle
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"dont tell mom" i think is the poster in div1
go to bed Pickled, last thing you want is an angry pregnant wife.

sick lantern
gaunt ice
sick lantern
ashen jungle
zinc atlas
sick lantern
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well if I could be bothered to boot up my xbox and check rn I would

ashen jungle
#

i would but like, have to reinstall

gaunt ice
#

did Season 2 ever happened?

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i know its a weird question

sick lantern
#

but I'd believe there is a date, it makes sense that the art team would get an asset/resource pack/guidelines/whatever to make sure the flavour text all matches up

gaunt ice
#

but in the season rerun,they jump from 1 to 3,and totally skipped season 2(im still pissed because i cant get my Hollow Man without going to the Depressed Zone)

sick lantern
gaunt ice
#

Keener was still a certified badass in my book until his boyfriend showed up

ashen jungle
#

Do I even wanna know what thats referring to?

gaunt ice
#

come on,dont take everything too serious Rivs

sick lantern
#

Tchernenko was his boyfriend 👀

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stockholm syndrome

gaunt ice
#

the other one

gaunt ice
ashen jungle
#

still waiting

sick lantern
#

says "keener's boyfriend"
refuses to elaborate

ashen jungle
#

oh people like that always do.
"dont take it too seriously"

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anyway, how's all the cool ppl doing?

sleek plover
#

im melting

ashen jungle
#

You hydrating?

gaunt ice
gaunt ice
ashen jungle
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I'd just like you to go through why you said it.

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and well, who its even referring to.

sick lantern
#

^

gaunt ice
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Hornet.
i just dont think i needed context for that and was like "they got offended by that?"

sick lantern
#

imho he became a chump when he died ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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He was the big bad and then he just sort of fizzled out

#

it's like, the rogue network and the Black Tusk were fighting to be the more impactful force in the story and then neither of them succeeded in being interesting because of it

gaunt ice
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we can take them on every day of the week and twice on sunday

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like,literally

#

those guys are a fucking joke

sick lantern
#

who?

#

BT, Rogue agents or the LMB who that quote is talking about?

gaunt ice
#

but that can apply to everything happened in div2 as well

mint citrus
#

The Black Tusk act like they're the badasses on the block and then get smoked by agents in shorts, flip flops and tacky cowboy hats

gaunt ice
#

i just want a clown skin

spare arrow
#

you are already a clown

gaunt ice
#

fineeee

gaunt ice
#

happy?

sick lantern
#

yea

gaunt ice
#

great,now im officially a clown for the next 1 week or forever

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😦

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THANKS ALOT ASPECT

ashen jungle
#

i mean, not trying to spoil the joke or anything, but you can change it yourself.