division-universe

[round sinew]

Like running the missions 40 times for Manhunts isn't canon, but the Manhunt is canon. The missions are there for the player, it's not really what the agent is doing though.

[vivid inlet]

So... The agent isn't the player but the player is the agent

[round sinew]

Sure.

[sick lantern]

yea I think for Manhunts we just have to suspend our disbelief and believe that the target would conveniently return to a place we’ve already been

[round sinew]

It's an online RPG. So some content isn't supposed to be seen as the agent doing it. It's grind for the player.

Hell, even the Raids, special missions, and operations aren't exactly canon. You could even argue Kenly College isn't canon. I'd put them all in the Probably Canon category.

[sick lantern]

I think UG Hunters are sometimes canon, it’s very fitting of them
we’re isolated, possibly injured after a fight, they outnumber us and they have great CQC skills

[round sinew]

Definitely Maybe Canon territory

[sick lantern]

speaking of which I really ought to listen to the UG collectibles again

[vivid inlet]

Speaking of which I really ought to look up what UG means

[sick lantern]

Underground

[vivid inlet]

The cleaner fan has spoken

[cold bramble]

And to be clear it's the TD1 expansion Underground not the TD2 sewer faction

[sick lantern]

those guys are cool, they deserve to appear more
like you have guys wearing chains for armour and carrying chainsaws and you underutilise them?

[cold bramble]

Well if you use them too much you also risk ruining the mystique

[vivid inlet]

I know

[cold bramble]

Much like how Rogue Agent spawns in the open world or in missions are now more of an annoyance than special

[round sinew]

I call those Maybe Canon

This is why I have the categories

[sick lantern]

true, but they have next to nothing
uncommon spawns in the open world, one side mission, one room in a main mission where they’re not even the focus

just, a crumb of actual content please

[round sinew]

Gime da pusi b0ss

[sick lantern]

i respect you greatly m’massive
now send content pls

[gaunt ice]

https://youtu.be/Tugmr0WPMFk

@sleek plover now i expect the same version,but its just you dubbing "DEATH TO THE LMB"

[sick lantern]

“Our journey to victory has begun!” loses the war

[cold bramble]

sound of Bliss' helicopter crashing and exploding is heard in the distance
"Well... shit"

[gaunt ice]

technically it will just be some badass JTF officer on a mg jeep

[sick lantern]

badass
JTF
pick one

[gaunt ice]

Roy Benidez disagrees

or alternatively,theres an off-canon universe where its Keener attacking the BoO

[sick lantern]

i just thought of something
i was going to say “why didn’t the LMB just blitz through the DZ and attack the BoO?” but then remembered about when Faye said they had “eyes on everyone”- after the second wave got decimated, they were probably counting on Rioters or the other factions to take out the BoO and save them the effort

[cold bramble]

Especially since the rioters nearly actually did so if not for the player agent

[sick lantern]

exactly, if the missile was fired a few seconds later the JTF would’ve been screwed

why didn’t they wait until the VTOL was actually flying in to midtown? just to be sure they got everyone

[sick lantern]

then what was left of the JTF would’ve ran away, died or joined the LMB

[cold bramble]

true sons would've happened sooner pepelaugh

[sick lantern]

if True Sons formed out of the NYC JTF, they would've been a threat to no one

[cold bramble]

It would be a lot like that ECHO in front of the Lincoln Memorial with the one guy tagged as "this was all his idea"

[sleek plover]

Bliss died too clean a death. He deserves slow and painful one.

Like being lynched by angry civilians, or force marched while wearing a clown costume while people throwing garbage on him.

[sick lantern]

no one deserves a "slow and painful" death

[cold bramble]

I mean, the chopper exploded after hitting the side of a building, not much more use wasting precious fire extinguishers to fish the body out

[sleek plover]

he can still be force weared chicken suits and marched through new york while people throw trash and poop diapers

[cold bramble]

Why even bother? Doesn't bring his victims back from the dead

[sleek plover]

serves him right for claiming freedom isnt a right

freedom is a right, liberty is a given. That is the divine truth

all must accept freedom or die

excuse me i must return to my prayers

[sick lantern]

who radicalised this man

[sleek plover]

worships freedom in an altar

Iä Iä Fre'edom fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Fre'edom Americ'a wgah'nagl fhtagn!

better yet, we could have aztec sacrifice his bald ass and present his flesh and blood as a divine offering to lady liberty, ever gazing from the liberty island

[sick lantern]

if the game gave me the choice i would bomb the fuckin stature of liberty

[sleek plover]

her sorrow will be quenched once the life of the blasphemer who denied her is offered

divine freedom will return to new york, and all tyrants shall tremble in fear

Iä Iä Fre'edom fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Fre'edom Americ'a wgah'nagl fhtagn!

https://youtu.be/bwHzmPYrROY

[tepid ibex]

He done it himself lol

[cold bramble]

Is it too far away for the mortar turret? ;P (Also I think this was basically the reason they didn't put the Vietnam memorial in the game..)

[cold bramble]

You can still shoot up the not!WW2 memorial though

Running into that was my first non-museum "fuck, I'm using what for cover?!" moment of the game

[gaunt ice]

Well I mean,it doesn’t mean much to me,especially when I “accidentally” made a chunga shoot at the statue of Lincoln

[sick lantern]

i wonder what happened that lead to a murder scene at the nightclub in West Side Piers

[stoic ridge]

i was watching a NGN youtube video, the division is not part JTF (Joint Task Force), i may be wrong

Are Civil Volunteers considered Division Agents?

[cold bramble]

our relationship with the JTF is akin to FBI being in charge of police at a crime scene

[stoic ridge]

the video says the JTF is a coalition of police, fire fighters, civil volunteers and army national guardsmen

[sick lantern]

yep, JTF is police, firefighters, national guard/reservists, EMTs and anyone who volunteers(probably some others I’m also forgetting)
however they are still a distinct entity from CERA and the SHD

[elfin nimbus]

OK, this is going to gnaw at my brain unless I can find an answer. Has it been mentioned anywhere why the Grand Washington is one block west of where it should be, and rotated 180 degrees?

Even if it's some minor gameplay flow reason or something.

[round sinew]

Probably just an oversight

[elfin nimbus]

Possibly, yeah. Just seems a little odd when Massive made such a point of recreating DC 1:1.

Like I don't get Viewpoint's location either. nvm, was looking at wrong building.

[sleek plover]

If I get to lead my own group of rioters armed wirh vietcongish traps

[cold bramble]

As long as you call your group "Ignorance is Bliss" that's fine

[sleek plover]

more like death to bliss

[cold bramble]

That's a little less word play and more.. directness.

[sleek plover]

Seriously the lmb attack civil workwrs

why would anyone defend them

[cold bramble]

I can think of a whole bunch of reasons: 1) Because it's more fun than moralism. 2) Because it's part of the agent's roleplaying flavour. 3) Because they actually don't care about civilian workers themselves. 4) Because it's a fantasy world so it's fun to mull over different ideas. 5) Because it annoys someone else.

[sick lantern]

i suppose it’s possible to mistake their tyranny for well intentioned extremism

[gaunt ice]

-non vietnamese
-bushes
pick one

[sleek plover]

bushes provide good cover

booby traps are good

[gaunt ice]

we all know that bushes are the best weapons

there's only 2 person i know that has survived that:Rambo and the Predator

that does not suffer ptsd btw

[cold bramble]

I would argue Rambo does suffer from PTSD though..

[gaunt ice]

oh nvm Predator's dead

[cold bramble]

😄

[sick lantern]

isn’t that the whole point of the first movie

[gaunt ice]

they kinda dumped that later on

[gaunt ice]

you want to dig little tunnels everywhere in new york?

if we're really going hardcore,just need some smokes+scanner pulse

[sick lantern]

Underground 2 electric boogaloo

[sleek plover]

if that guarantees dead lmb

[gaunt ice]

smokes+scanner=Orange Asssasins

oh and a suppressed weapon

theyll shit their pants for the rest of their lifes

[sleek plover]

fear is a good weapon

[gaunt ice]

kinda depend on how you kill them

[sleek plover]

i prefer have the corpses impaled vlad tepes style

or staged like some kind of religious ceremony

as an offering to the lady liberty

[gaunt ice]

nah make it quick but brutal

chop up their legs with a tomahawk,or blow them up with a shotgun

dont finish them,just let them bleed to dead

[sick lantern]

You lot are weird

[gaunt ice]

well we

are discussing the most painful ways to kill someone

[sick lantern]

exactly

[sleek plover]

Iä Iä Fre'edom fhtagn! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Fre'edom Americ'a wgah'nagl fhtagn!

[gaunt ice]

lets take a twist:the least painful way to die?

[sleek plover]

drown them in heroin?

[gaunt ice]

heart attack

[sleek plover]

nope

[gaunt ice]

and gagging

[sleek plover]

i think any narcotics would work

because it removes the pain

especially heroin and morphine

[gaunt ice]

what about sleeping pill overdose?

[cold bramble]

I would trust dissociative anesthesia like ketamine first and opiates second. Sleeping pills is a bit too varied in strength/effect, and they're not always designed to keep you under no-matter-what as opposed to anesthesia, so when you start getting the vomit attacks etc you might actually wake up/be lucid and not have a great time.

[gaunt ice]

how about the most pleasant way to go?

Aspect suggested being surrounded by your loved ones

[cold bramble]

Napping at the beach/in the shade of a sunny/warm place.

Loved ones can be there if they want to though, probably more pleasant experience for most to have them there. Assuming they're chill with it and not all sad and panicky. 😄

[gaunt ice]

dying for something you believe in?

or for someone you love?makes it meaningful

[cold bramble]

Yeah, not sure if it's the same as pleasant though.

Btw I think it's pretty cool that they've held the gore/torture stuff pretty low key in the game, considering it's something they could expand on infinitely if they wanted

Like sure they show brutality of each faction, but it's not the typical chasing-shock-value stuff

[gaunt ice]

hey that gave me an idea on the new mode theyre making

a 4v1 kind of stuff

1 Hunter vs 4 Agents

doesnt seem too far-fetched,and its new

to the franchise of course

[sick lantern]

they should give us an Infected/Ewok Hunt type game mode

with Hunters or the Underground faction as the infected, fun little way to make the assets go further

[gaunt ice]

"oh no ive been hit by a Hunter,i must join them now"

[sick lantern]

oh no i’ve been stabbed by an ewok, now i am an ewok
these modes aren’t made to make sense

assuming the new mode will actually be completely new, what even are all the possible things it could be

infected, asymmetrical PvP

fucking... puzzle mode?

[cold bramble]

Building a community garden in one of the settlements..

They can just buy the FarmVille IP and reskin it

[neon sentinel]

im doing the zoo mission for the first time, so emiline did escape during the roosevelt island stronghold?

i dont even remember when it said she got out

[sick lantern]

i don’t think it did but we didn’t see her die either

[stoic ridge]

Could the division story actually happen in real life? i mean the dollar flu (ikr covid happened)

[hybrid hatch]

It already happened if you look closely @stoic ridge

[sick lantern]

yep, who could’ve missed when a secret task force was activated and colourful armed gangs began vying for territory and supplies

[gaunt ice]

Yeah she wasn’t on that ship you blew up in@Roosevelt

[gaunt ice]

The Floyd crowd and the “corona is fake” group makes up for that

[marsh harbor]

The huh

[round sinew]

X

[gaunt ice]

Un-X

[sick lantern]

x gon’ give it to ya

[glass kestrel]

So I've got a question regarding lore, but it's more about speculation than anything else. If anyone would be willing to try and answer

What would agents in the Support branch of the SHD be trained to do?

[gaunt ice]

Support stuff?

technicians,coordinations,scouts?

[cold bramble]

Support is not one of the branches is it?

[glass kestrel]

Yeah, it is. The 3 branches are Support, R&D, and Operations

[cold bramble]

My guess would be analysis, recon screening and advisory functions

[glass kestrel]

"Recon screening"?

[cold bramble]

Yes, screening collected/reported recon (and compiling/cross referencing it to other recon)

[glass kestrel]

So information analysis

[cold bramble]

Yes, hence the first word being Analysis

[glass kestrel]

Well, you put analysis and recon screening as two seperate items, I figured you meant two seperate things.

[cold bramble]

More different specificity because frankly they could analyse multiple things including material consumption or cost calculations for all I know

[lilac mason]

tbh im inclined to think their role range from those, and to supportive works in general like maintainancing gears and base ops

[cold bramble]

Gear maintenance is a good point, how is that supposedly done? Self service? Or are people like Inaya and the quarter master etc the actual gunsmiths/techs?

[glass kestrel]

I feel like usual items are self serviced, but specialty items, or anything that requires more care, are handled by the gunsmiths and techs.

Like, agents should know how to maintain their gear, weapons, and general troubleshooting of their tech. They can't always rely on there to be a quartermaster or a "crafting table operator".

[lilac mason]

yeah, i would imagine there being dedicated quartermasters, engineers, and other stuff

[cold bramble]

Let's be happy there is no durability mechanic at least. But if there was they might have used the CNC machine etc in Haven as repair interfaces.

[lilac mason]

iirc, season 1 rogue squad with em being a complete unit, saturn and neptune were on Support i would think, from their backstory

[glass kestrel]

Yeah, but there's always stories of Agents being lone wolves. For them, they'd have to be able to handle maintenance by themselves.

[cold bramble]

Maybe all the skill mods are actually just different DIY solder projects agents have made and share around

[lilac mason]

yeah, what with agents being from different backgrounds and have different skills

but still, in ideal situation and at full strength, i would imagine the support agents at least being stationed in safehouses n stuff

[glass kestrel]

I don't think so, since ISAC needs to be able to work with all of them, and knows each mod by name. Unless each agent is able to send updates to every single ISAC brick.

[lilac mason]

ISAC seems to also operate with cloud server and stuff with breakneck download/upload speed so that shouldnt be a problem

[glass kestrel]

It shouldn't be a problem, no, but my main issue with that is that most of the mods you pick up are from Rogues.

[lilac mason]

you mean the skill variants?

[glass kestrel]

Ah shit, yeah. My bad. I thought we were talking about skill variants.

[lilac mason]

lmao skill mods are another thing

in div2 at least

[glass kestrel]

Yeah, I gotcha.

[cold bramble]

But that's a good point though, how come that SHD tech is not in our repository before we kill them

[lilac mason]

Div2 agent and Div1 agent seem to have been issued different kind of gears also

[cold bramble]

Or like, in the SHD global repository/armory/however they catalogue the skills. 😄

[glass kestrel]

And how come some SHD tech exists for some agents and not for others? Like, why did Div 2 agents receive hives and fireflies when Div 1 agents didn't?

[lilac mason]

DC guys also did not have sticky bombs

and the gadgets the NY ones used

turret and seeker seem to be the poster boys for SHD tech tho so they have em everywhere

[glass kestrel]

Like, if you go back and look at the gameplay trailer for Div 1, the firefly did exist there.

[cold bramble]

Oh

[lilac mason]

that was a drone i thought?

they advertised it as a companion app joining the game from the phone as a remote controlled drone

[glass kestrel]

No, no.

[cold bramble]

Wasn't that for Div 2? The companion thing.

[glass kestrel]

It was a skill that the agent threw out and blinded a nearby enemy with flashing lights.

[lilac mason]

huh, gotta take a look again then because in my memory it was the drone that did that

hit me with the vid scotty

[glass kestrel]

The cosmetics might be different, and probably had a different name, but it fulfilled the exact same job.

Give me a second, I'll find it and send it.

[lilac mason]

oh, you mean the functionality? then yeah the mechanics were thought of

[glass kestrel]

Nope, same name. The drone just looked different.

[lilac mason]

hit me real quick

[gaunt ice]

i think it was a bit more stationary compared to the ones we have now?

[lilac mason]

i must see this

[glass kestrel]

https://youtu.be/Xc944viXPvo

At 3:21, you see the name of the skill

[gaunt ice]

cuz it stood still when it flashed the heavy,while our firefly just flies past them

[glass kestrel]

Yeah, it did. It only hit one target.

And at 4:10 it gets used.

[cold bramble]

God that Christmas music gives me anxiety. I absolutely hate running past Celebration hotel (if that's the name) in WONY because of it

[gaunt ice]

ive said this alot before,but i would KILL for the same Division we saw at e3

[glass kestrel]

Same.

[lilac mason]

oh yeah, my memory deceived me then

[gaunt ice]

instead we have Di,and not the -vision

[lilac mason]

i recalled it as the drone player going up there

[gaunt ice]

The De-vision

get it?they downgrade everything?

[glass kestrel]

Nah, the drone player was able to pulse. I remember that.

[gaunt ice]

yeah like a flashlight

[cold bramble]

I thought it was a name for the agents that uses the blinder.. 😄

[gaunt ice]

and you can shoot through stuff

[gaunt ice]

Blinder guy's name is Ryan

[glass kestrel]

But back to the original question, why do you think some agents are given certain SHD tech while others aren't?

[cold bramble]

"de-visioning" could theoretically be considered blinding someone..

So blinders = De-vision agents..

[gaunt ice]

Ubisoft?

[glass kestrel]

I mean in-universe

[lilac mason]

different loadout i would assume

[glass kestrel]

I mean specifically the quartermaster

[gaunt ice]

i think it might be because after the first wave just dusted off,they have to save resources and not risk it all

[glass kestrel]

Obviously each agent is only allowed 2

[gaunt ice]

and 7 more in their bags

[glass kestrel]

That sounds pretty reasonable, yeah

[cold bramble]

I guess some of these questions would be answered if one read Tom Clancy books? Or is there any actual Division books or did Ubisoft use peripheral lore about Division from other books?

[glass kestrel]

I read the books.

[gaunt ice]

Broken Dawn,yeah but it doesnt go in much?

[cold bramble]

Like, I'm curious as to how the agent living a normal life etc physically got his drone and turret handed to him/her, and what point in time in relation to the training and going sleeper

[glass kestrel]

Doesn't go into it much, no. And I wasn't a big fan of Broken Dawn. The author left a few inconsistencies.

[lilac mason]

i would imagine that some stuff MIGHT have been transported over to NY and other places, Kelso and Mercury comm mentioned them delivering supplies to other places

[cold bramble]

Have they had an assault turret folded up sitting on their top shelf in the closet for a decade for instance? 😄

[gaunt ice]

they can just hide it in somewhere in their house long before any of these happened

"Please officer,i did not intend to kill the robber,it was because my sentry was on station mode"

[cold bramble]

I only have that New York Collapse book, that is just a game related thing not actual Tom Clancy material

[lilac mason]

drone can be passed off as fancy drone toys, and agents be strapping micro chaingun onto it when they get activated

but then again we somehow did not get a drone in div1

[glass kestrel]

"Officer, I drop kicked that child in self-defense. You've gotta believe me."

[gaunt ice]

i dont think we kicked a girl before?

morally speaking

[glass kestrel]

Speak for yourself

Morally speaking

[lilac mason]

cqc oriented update when

i want to stuff a boot up a chungus butt

[gaunt ice]

here,if Ubisoft got Smoke a Pickle Rick costume,there is no reason on Earth that there isnt a AC crossover event

[glass kestrel]

Wasn't there a thing where we were originally allowed the have stealth takedowns?

[gaunt ice]

yeah,i think that was Wildlands and Breakpoint

the trailer did not show stealth takedown too soooooo

[lilac mason]

it doesnt even have to be deadly lmao, just have us pull some cutscene-esque animation and knock enemies back into a stumble or disorient for extended period of time

[cold bramble]

Can't remember it from the early patch versions of TD1 either. Melee finishers was a big talking point after UG dlc was released though. (Because of Hunter envy)

[gaunt ice]

RTX Mod for div1 when?

[lilac mason]

fuuuck i swear if they buff melee dmg and add finisher animation i would be slapping people a lot more

[cold bramble]

Claws Out 😉

[lilac mason]

oh i use that

[gaunt ice]

stab a heavy twice before blowing him up with a shotgun

[lilac mason]

but it aint exactly enough even when paired with lady death

[cold bramble]

Shank between armor plates

[gaunt ice]

stabbing a guy,then use the same knife to throw it at the other guys head?

[lilac mason]

i imagined something more physical like football tackling him to the ground and knifing him

[gaunt ice]

thats too much,i just want my smoke bomb

[cold bramble]

The Frontline/D3FNC gear set had a nice melee boost, in TD1

[lilac mason]

but then again its the level of detail not a lot of people are willing to spare into an mmo

unless its warframe dev

but god damn would i love that

[gaunt ice]

its funny to think about Police Academy again

a whole LMB unit vs a single guy

"THIS WASNT PART OF THE PLAN"

[lilac mason]

it is actually hilarious if you think about all the missions lmao

it could either be a hard battle against the weight of a full agent squad utilizing the best gears SHD had to offer

or 1 angry dude hell bent on wholesale massacre

[gaunt ice]

i do like the ending part where they actually does a standard professional way to breach the door

[sick lantern]

pretty sure we were supposed to get wiped after the garage ambush, that’s why there’s runners trying to report the new situation

[gaunt ice]

then the one rogue comes in a helo

and lol,they never expected the turrets

[sick lantern]

“Sorry, but you’re second rate.”- guy who failed and abandoned his mission

[lilac mason]

its also funny how good agents sucked, and then turn into mega chad badass mofo as soon as their watches go red

[gaunt ice]

Average Agent Fan vs Average Abandon Your Duty Enjoyer

[lilac mason]

the only badass good agent is, incidentally, us

[gaunt ice]

still they dont have the one gigachad that is us

[lilac mason]

(and by extent "the other players" as presented)

[gaunt ice]

i mean,they got 3,so why surprised when they have to fight 1 more?

[lilac mason]

im gonna segue this into a wishful thinking idea that is make the LZ an actual mmo area where you can run into other agents

[gaunt ice]

yeah,and they can help you in missions

more maybe a more realistic approach like snipers

or an assault just with drones

[lilac mason]

making it be like that would allow some interesting stuff to happen thats for sure

like sure they have to up the enemy scaling to ensure everyone gets a piece of the action, but it can be done by activity and engagement

[gaunt ice]

i still want my sniper position

[lilac mason]

true, true

most of the time stuff happens in close quarters

being able to sit in a vantage point with a scope would be a breath of fresh air

[sick lantern]

it would be if the enemies didn’t run around like spastic chickens whenever they can’t reach you

[lilac mason]

also true aye

or if the enemies didnt spaz out in general

[sick lantern]

true

[lilac mason]

harks me back to when i played Defiance, we were able to have several snipers positioned around an activity area trying to pick off targets

good times, discounting all the fancy explosion effect spamming all around

[sick lantern]

and doug sutton kinda

if doug managed to contact the dispatcher who seemingly had a fix on his position, how was he classified as a missing person

then again the shields also contain a guy talking to his rubber duck solely to set up Division 2’s plot points so we should take everything in them with a grain of salt

[round sinew]

The 3 branches are Administration, Operations and R&D. Support is a branch of Operations.

[glass kestrel]

According to the wiki, it's Support, R&D, and Operations

[sick lantern]

does the wiki cite a source?

[glass kestrel]

Sadly, no

[round sinew]

No

[sick lantern]

support would involve field work and logistics so it would make sense to be part of operations

[glass kestrel]

Yes, but support is also the only branch that's active through peacetime. So to that end, it wouldn't be a part of operations.

Well, no, R&D is also active during peacetime

[sick lantern]

RnD is most definitely

[glass kestrel]

Yeah, I just realized that

[sick lantern]

admin probably is too, paperwork and bureaucracy and whatnot

[glass kestrel]

Well, that'd be a part of Support.

That's the part of support that's active at all times.

[sick lantern]

how can admin be part of support when support is part of ops

and why would it be part of support, they’re different things

[round sinew]

Apologies, you're right. I was thinking of Strategic branch in Operations.

[round sinew]

Support is basically everyone at an HQ that isn't in research and development. They're the admin and intelligence branch.

Operations has IA, Strategic, and Tactical.

If I remember my deep lore correctly. We play as tactical agents.

Whereas IA are the recruiters for field agents, and Strategic are like, Dark Zone vendors

[glass kestrel]

IA?

What's that stand for?

[round sinew]

Infernal Affairs

[glass kestrel]

Ah.

[round sinew]

Not like any of this lore matters.

[glass kestrel]

I think IA was support as well, since it involves recruiting. If I remember correctly, the other branch for Operations is Security.

[round sinew]

It's never going to come up.

Nah, Wiki straight up says IA, Tactical, and Strategic

[glass kestrel]

Huh. Very well.

[sick lantern]

So DZ vendors are on the up and up? why do they act so shifty then?

[round sinew]

They're Division agents, so. I don't know.

[sick lantern]

“this fell off the back of a truck 😈”

[round sinew]

That could be old lore, though.

[glass kestrel]

Could just be acting shifty.

[sick lantern]

but why?

[glass kestrel]

To seem cooler? Idk.

They probably thought they'd be saving DC, then get handed a vendor job.

And now they're just peacocking around agents who actually work

[sick lantern]

actually do they even act the same in 2 as they do in 1?

in Div 1 they make it clear that they’re up to no good

[glass kestrel]

I don't remember how they acted in div1

[sick lantern]

“can’t find this stuff back at the base”
“now get out of here before somebody notices you”

very shifty

[cold bramble]

Division 2 wise I haven't gotten anything beyond the usual "if I don't stock it it's probably not worth having" soundbites

Don't recall the vendors having Division gear on their person like the first game's vendors too

[sick lantern]

so these jobbers are getting gear from the DZ to sell?

[sick lantern]

do they have to extract by helicopter or do they do the smart thing and decontaminate it some other way

[lilac mason]

iirc div2 DZ vendors are just scavs

And div1 are agents

Besides, its DZ, everyone is shifty in DZ

[sick lantern]

then how do they get dark zone gear that’s not contaminated to sell?

[proven kernel]

can someone remind me why we wanna hunt down the outcasts?

they seem like they kind just wanna live their life on roosevelt island

like the true sons kinda threw a few bombs at a few settlements (iirc)

what did the outcasts ever do

[spare arrow]

forcibly infect people with green poison

[proven kernel]

oh yeah that happened

thanks lmfao

[lilac mason]

Either not everything is contaminated, and/or its not terribly hard to clean, considering how we have people like hyenas and outcasts inside trying to find stuff, and Shay Montgomery found clean toilet rolls inside

Besides, if the vendors are agents they wouldve been wearing a watch?

[sleek plover]

Their primary motive lies on revenge against everyone who just stood by while they suffered in quarantine.

[cold bramble]

They've kind of expanded on their motive since the start and expanded the definition it to cover everyone non-Outcast 😄

The echo at the end of Manning is one of my favorites in terms of completing the story. Maybe oddly phrased, but it adds something/nuance to the entire arc that would have felt missing otherwise.

[gaunt ice]

nope,wrong place to ask

[sick lantern]

so why do we have to extract it to decontaminate it, can’t we just do what they do
seems like a bit of a plot hole/ hand wave situation

[cold bramble]

Maybe all the gear that despawns from the bag when agents leave the DZ is actually collected by them and sent off for decontamination once a week.. 😄

[gaunt ice]

I would say those guys are going off the net and on the line between rogue and not rogue

So they probably just robbed a decon station somewhere

And you can’t use it cuz they would get in trouble if any of the jtf or the commanders found out about it

[gaunt ice]

@unreal widget you dont mind kicking the spam?

[unreal widget]

PLEASE send a message to the bot if you want to report something so all mods can see it. I just want to enjoy my dinner without having to deal with anything in here...

[gaunt ice]

oops,sorry

[keen hill]

!ьфз

!map

[spare arrow]

Hm?

[keen hill]

looking for interactive map

[sick lantern]

in the lore zone?

[viral shell]

https://division2map.com

[stoic ridge]

Hello fellow agents

[sick lantern]

good evening

[stoic ridge]

how'z your day/night?

[sick lantern]

about as good as any other

[stoic ridge]

Hello

is the ACR-E good?

[lilac mason]

Not the best, but viable

[compact swan]

what's the best

[quick anvil]

i think classic m1a not sure

[sleek plover]

damm i hate lmb

[gaunt ice]

in div1 there's this one mission where Kandel send us out to find someone,who exactly is she?

the lady was playing the piano in the middle of a lmb squad for some reason,and she seems fine

[sick lantern]

it was her wife

[gaunt ice]

hol up

Kandel is a lesbian?

[sick lantern]

yea

[gaunt ice]

why dammit

'well

[gaunt ice]

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[spare arrow]

you good there

[brave locust]

which exactly

[cold bramble]

The manatee after the boss fight (Where Kelso follows up with the "What a fucking waste." dialogue)

[sick lantern]

why not?

[cold bramble]

Her ex wife, if you think you might have a chance

[marsh harbor]

[gaunt ice]

Not really,they just looks sweet together:(

[quick anvil]

her ex wife? gae?

[gaunt ice]

Yessss:(

[quick anvil]

Oh im in the worng channel😂

[merry spindle]

what is a Nancy? Kelso speaks about it before the Kajika mission in NY

[digital hemlock]

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Nancy this one?

[merry spindle]

nice, thank you 🙂

[digital hemlock]

not sure if Nancy is mentioned in the Stranded Tanker mission

[merry spindle]

no it was the ivestigation mission i did before the pathway mission

[digital hemlock]

in Stranded Tanker, there's an arena where some enemies get transported up via the crate., then you need to throw things into the tunnel to prevent them from escaping

[merry spindle]

ooo, did not know that 🙂 would be cool to do :p

[digital hemlock]

the vivian conley mission thingy

[merry spindle]

YOU SHALL NOT PASS!

[sleek plover]

....

[sick lantern]

don’t say it

[sleek plover]

i really, really hate the LMB

seriously

seriously...

[merry spindle]

ok

[digital hemlock]

play more legendary missions, you get to kill them

[sleek plover]

white tusks are not lmb

they are more like elite enemy placeholders

[digital hemlock]

they are incorporated into white tusks, i think there's some documentation in-game

[sleek plover]

actually they are incorporated into black tusks as a whole

[sick lantern]

they have some LMB in them (rushers and medics)
if that’s actually canon or not, is still up in the air

[sleek plover]

and the rushers and support dont even get to have unique dialogue

i mean i bought the game,wony and all seasons just to see myself killing lmb remnants

because they are not completely destroyed in div 1

[digital hemlock]

not sure man... I don't remember how TD1 LMB legendary mobs sound like

[sick lantern]

“They got Dylan!”

[digital hemlock]

isn' that the usual non-legendary mob?

[sick lantern]

they use the same audio yea

[digital hemlock]

i see i see

[sleek plover]

i mean i really hoped if there were a mission or a manhunt that involves exclusively ex-lmb unit

if they have those in next season i would be so happy

[digital hemlock]

they are mercs, shouldn't exist very long in reality or in-universe. someone need to feed them

[sleek plover]

seriously, they were the reason i bought the game

because i read their lore online and i decided i hated them

and i cant completely wipe them out in div 1

[merry spindle]

but apart from that, the game is good right?

[sick lantern]

well they have as much food as anyone else does

[digital hemlock]

isnt that the same for cleaners and rikers?

[digital hemlock]

oh well, when i mean feed, someone need to employ them

[sick lantern]

they were employed but then went off contract and tried to take over NYC

[merry spindle]

god damn the rikers 😦

[sleek plover]

it was ok to be honest, still a waste of money so far i say. it is a decent game but it is still a waste strictly personally cuz my "goal" on thus game was never fulfilled

[digital hemlock]

larae barett is good, but dragnov is cringe

[sleek plover]

i mean i wanted to hear remnants saying stuff like "please spare us!we were just following orders!" and stuff

[digital hemlock]

vivian conley is good on the 'crazy' part...

[sleek plover]

serves rhem right for dare defying sacred liberty

[merry spindle]

waste of money since they didnt put LMB in Div2?

[sick lantern]

they tried to retcon Larae Barret into not being the one who freed the Rikers 🤦

[digital hemlock]

i sincerely feel that the cleaners are some of the better designed enemies in TD1/2

[sleek plover]

more specifically cuz couldnt kill them. but only in a personal level. game wise i say it is A-, while A+ games does not exist and a huuuuuge gap btw A and A-

[digital hemlock]

very scarly, very memorable, also very fun to fight against

[sleek plover]

that i can really agree on, they are still my second hated faction while first place is shared by LMB, True Sons and BT

[sick lantern]

true but the way some of them have their arms, faces etc exposed in 2 just doesn’t sit right with me

[digital hemlock]

well...agreed on exposed faces

maybe since the founder died the cleaners went into rot

now dealing with oil and stuff

[sleek plover]

it was soooo satisfying to hear conley screaming like a little b_____ she is

[digital hemlock]

oh yea, she is designed to be semi-insane of sort, which is cool

[sleek plover]

my least hated faction would be rioters and outcasts

rioters because they literally have no goal or ideology

[digital hemlock]

outcasts are just weird... arrow boys and hammerdins?

[sleek plover]

outcasts...well i sympathize with them

[sick lantern]

Outcasts are scum of the earth

[sleek plover]

outcasts deserves justice

not saying they are not evil

[sick lantern]

that doesn’t mean that they have a right to bring harm to the innocent

[merry spindle]

i like the arrow dudes, with the trashcans...need more of them 🙂

[sleek plover]

but at least their cause is understandable

[digital hemlock]

i don't understand why those rogue agents will want to work with rikers tho...

[sleek plover]

rikers did have a good cause only in larae's speech. but they still prey on the weak

[digital hemlock]

never heard of rogue agents working with LMB and outcasts (they should work with outcasts tho), Rikers are the weird faction they work with

[sleek plover]

hyenas are just classic raiders

[sleek plover]

keener worked with those snowmen scums as well as his lackeys

[digital hemlock]

snowmen?

[sleek plover]

LMB scum

[digital hemlock]

they used each other I believe, not really allies

[sick lantern]

Rikers and Outcasts have essentially the same cause and they’re both in the wrong, they were put away for good reasons

[sleek plover]

why is the cause wrong?

[digital hemlock]

LMB never actually keen to work with Keener, ditto to Black Tusks

[sleek plover]

there was this one target who was a recruiter who was very loyal to bliss

their cause was the best, i mean the only redeemable thing i find in both of them

[digital hemlock]

forgot the name of the recruiter... oh that exception

[sick lantern]

Being quarantined is not some crime against humanity, they’re just selfish
they have a right to be angry at the true sons who mistreated them, but not because they were put in a quarantine

[digital hemlock]

Outcasts are just insane, they see the world as we vs the world.

[sleek plover]

they were abused and mistreated and they want revenge

[digital hemlock]

yes... so everything is culpable

[sick lantern]

but they’re taking revenge on people who have done no wrong

[digital hemlock]

unlike the cleaners, cleaners see reason until the founder died i guess...

[sleek plover]

they blame them because they think they done nothing to help them

well of course its not like the citizens had any power to do so

cleaners are just self-righteous fanatics who think they deserve to choose who get to live or die

[digital hemlock]

well, not really...

according to the echos

[sleek plover]

their leader ferro wanted to burn everything

they were evil to begin with

[digital hemlock]

they just choose to burn everything except rebuilding (they are directly contrasting the division/jtf goals)

[sleek plover]

and burn down living civilians?

they literally burn people alive just because they think they are infected

[digital hemlock]

because those civilians are not 'secured'

[sleek plover]

so they deserve to die?

[digital hemlock]

thats their ideology

[sleek plover]

in a most painful way ever?

that is the reason why they are evil

like i said im not saying rikers and outcast are not evil

[digital hemlock]

i call them lawful evil. cleaners are

[sleek plover]

i just find their ideologies understandable

lawful evil are the most evil alignment imo

[digital hemlock]

yes

[sleek plover]

tbh any lawful alignment are bad for me

[sick lantern]

in their eyes, NYC was beyond saving already and they were helping the rest of the world by preventing the spread of the infection- which isn’t wrong, Valassi’s radio says that the quarantine has held across the US

[sleek plover]

chaos for the win

Chaotic good is the best

[digital hemlock]

chaos evil is probably rikers

[sleek plover]

i would make my agent a chaotic good fanatic

who is basically extremely chaotic and extremely good

[digital hemlock]

yes.. maybe TD3 will allow us to play as Rogue Agent.

[sleek plover]

he literally worships freedom as a god

and thus LMB and true sons are sinners

[sick lantern]

this shit again

[sleek plover]

i mean thats the stuff ive been bantering on

...im surprised why im not banned yet to be honest

i was betting on it tbh

i mean i did wanted to get banned intentionally but i thought it was a high risk behavior

never wanted to be a troll, just wanted to vent

lore wise that is.

[cold bramble]

So WONY Wouldn't You Know It has a segment on David Hawkings (as you know, the sort-of superhero from Division 1 ECHOs that shows up again in a Division 2 ECHO).

David wrote a letter to Rick about how he can fly. Rick thinks David is pulling his leg

[sick lantern]

didn’t he get hit by a car? actually there are two people in Division 1 collectibles who think they have superpowers now that i think about it

[cold bramble]

A car crash, escaped a house fire and survived the Green Poison. And then he jumped off a building to prove that he can fly (he did). And then he flew to DC just before the events of Division 2

[gaunt ice]

Chaotic evil is worst

[sleek plover]

Chaotic evil is plain evil. Lawful good is lame, lawful neutral is evil and lawful evil is the worst

Chaotic good is best

Lawful Neutral=Neutral Evil=Chaotic Evil

[gaunt ice]

Technically chaotic evil is the Outcast

[sleek plover]

actually its more like hyenas and rikers

outcasts are more neutral evil because they act based on a cause that is nonoppressive

[gaunt ice]

A shitty cause

Hey if I’m not there to help you if you fell down the stairs,should I fall down the stairs too?

[sleek plover]

The cause is what i find only thing redeemable for outcasts and rikers

[sick lantern]

Outcasts lash out at people who aren’t remotely related to their cause, that’s pretty chaotic evil if you ask me

[sleek plover]

if i think you are sick should i burn you alive whether you are sick or not?
also should i arrest you or kill you just because you are not doing what i say?

[sleek plover]

thats more like an evil thing not just chaotic evil

think witch hunts

[gaunt ice]

I’m not saying the Cleaners are good,I’m saying that Outcast are the worst out of the bunch

[sleek plover]

i am very sure lmb and true sons are the worst

[gaunt ice]

Outcast literally kills children,uses blood as chemical weapons,using human bombs

[sleek plover]

so does cleaners when it comes to killing children

and lmb and true sons enslaves people

[gaunt ice]

Atleast they’re wiping the virus

[sleek plover]

by killing innocents?

outcasts are the victims

at least they used to be

they have a right to be angry

[gaunt ice]

Like,I don’t agree with the action,but they have a good idea of burning the virus to kill it

It’s the True Sons who did those shit to them at Roosevelt,not us

[sleek plover]

by burning everything they also eliminate research samples

thats what the jtf scientists say in game so they are actually hindering the progress

[sleek plover]

thats the reason why the outcasts are still evil

its the same logic how you defend the cleaners for their cause

i just find their cause to be more redeemable

[gaunt ice]

It’s not our fault,so why are we suffering the consequences?

[sick lantern]

they’re victims of being mistreated by the TS, being quarantined is not something you have a right to be angry about

[sleek plover]

like i dont agree with the faction,but they have a right reason to seek vengeance

[gaunt ice]

No,that’s not a reason,more like an excuse

The cleaners are not taking risk

[cold bramble]

A large portion of america would disagree with you

[sick lantern]

if Americans are disagreeing with me then I’m probably doing something right

[cold bramble]

damn right

land of the free my ass we don't even have the right too free healthcare

[gaunt ice]

Well they have the right to die as they wish

[gaunt ice]

just read it off youtube:what if it turns out that your entire family are agents,including you,and youre all activated at the same time in a family reunion?

[cold bramble]

Then you don't have to matchmake

Are agents aware of other agents identities before activation? I guess at least some trained together

I.e. would the family have known about each other beforehand?

[gaunt ice]

i mean,there is a chance it will happen

or a guy tries to rob you,but then both of you gets activated at the same time

and the commander says:you 2 are partners now

aint that wacky?

[cold bramble]

Feels like a sitcom plot, a family of agents for the same agency, trained separately, being unaware of them all working on the same assignment but in different tasks/aspects, trying to hide it from each other

[gaunt ice]

"Mom stop stealing my kills,i need to build up my striker stacks to dps the tank"

[cold bramble]

Trying to avoid each other or coming up with reasons to do laundry separately (because all of them have bloodstains to hide)

Washer going in the middle of the night, husband makes up story of him peeing himself to not confess to the assassination of a statesman..

[gaunt ice]

"Hey why was there so much ketchup on your shirt?"
"uhhh the waiter spilled the tomato sauce dispenser on me"

[cold bramble]

Just a matter of time before it's a Netflix Original

[gaunt ice]

you know,we do have Mr and Mrs Smith

[sick lantern]

actually that’s an interesting point, what happens if an SHD agent is convicted of a crime before they’re activated

are they stripped of their agent status? could they blackmail the SHD if they tried to do so? can they be activated in prison? and therefore have the authority to be freed?

are the SHD so confident in their recruitment process that they wouldn’t recruit a possible future criminal? is it possible to predict if someone has criminal tendencies or not?

[drifting lotus]

As far as we've known, their recruitment process includes that considering most of the people part of SHD have past military or law enforcement experiences.

Then again, to my disappointment, Kelso exists.

[cold bramble]

Kelso is one of the first female Ranger School graduates in universe

are the SHD so confident in their recruitment process that they wouldn’t recruit a possible future criminal? is it possible to predict if someone has criminal tendencies or not?

IMO this is something I consider to be underexplored with the rogue/deserting agent plotline: can you really account for how agents will act when they finally realize that the current catastrophe is open ended and possibly indefinite?

There's one audio log in the Navy Hill area having a guy go "but that's desertion!" when his partner says that he wants to throw in the towel, but aside from Sawyer you don't see or hear from many other agents that just quit instead of going "I have the red ring now, let me hack you to death with your own skills"

[sick lantern]

one of many things in this franchise’s plot...

[lilac mason]

The family being agents is very interesting premise lmao

husband gets activated and goes the whole drama of "babe i must go" thing and the wife just goes "no hun this is my cache, yours is in the other cupboard"

[sick lantern]

it sounds equal parts interesting and like an awful netflix show

[lilac mason]

Romcom family drama about 2 shd agents who just find out theyre both agents at the time of activation

That also reminds me that the attic safehouse in dc is literally an agent's own house lmao

[viral shell]

I would imagine the recruiting process is similar to the military. Even with extensive training you just cannot predict how a soldier would react if he was told his tour of duty suddenly became indefinite. Desertions happen.

Thats all this is really. Desertion from duty and going rogue to defend what you believe to be your own best interests

[lilac mason]

this is also touched on in the game, how desertions do happen and even some agents simply ran off on their own way

[sick lantern]

i’ve got no sympathy for any of em

[viral shell]

But you do have to question, who are the SHD really serving with no government to speak of, all presidential successors dead or missing?..... SHD were only there to ensure " a continuance of government". Who's actually in control at SHD right now?

[lilac mason]

SHD was activated for the wrong reason

[sick lantern]

No one needs to be in control, we serve the people

[lilac mason]

they never shouldve been in NY in the first place

so now SHD is simply attached to the JTF as their military arm

[sick lantern]

yea and then the JTF would’ve been screwed and pulled out of Manhattan, real big brain move

[lilac mason]

i said it in the sense that is it was not the intended goal of the organization

the way i saw it, SHD was never meant to be guardians, they were meant to be a strike force

[viral shell]

Point is, the US is effectively being run by the miltary now. There is no politically elected government left

[sick lantern]

the US isn’t being run by anyone, affairs are handled on local levels

[viral shell]

Also, it seem that only the US east coast is actually in chaos which just happens to include DC

from what news there is, it seem the west coast is actually peacefully being run by its respective state governements

[lilac mason]

with things the way it is, JTF is the only de facto federal gov body left at least in DC and NY

[lilac mason]

source plz?

i also recall someone reading the kelleher novel saying that it mentioned areas outside of the big city still being chill and mostly normal

[viral shell]

I saw a youtube vid a few weeks back by NGN that discusses the state of the world outside of DC and NY, and its know for a fact that the EU and asia is completely stable with proper national governements

[sick lantern]

“completely stable” is an overstatement but they could be a lot worse

[viral shell]

and it seems (though not confirmed) that the west coast is also relatively stable and under state government control

[lilac mason]

oh the langley comms? i need to listen to those again but as far as i recall asia is 50/50 between chaos and order

[viral shell]

Russia apparantly entirely collapsed

Australia is a complete unknown

[lilac mason]

havnt heard about russia collapsing apart from the extensive quarantine effort

that was fucked up by mafias of all people

there wasnt any report on australiland either

[gaunt ice]

Probably a regular Thursday for them

[sleek plover]

🐥 🔪

damn i hate LMB

[gaunt ice]

You hate duckies?

[cold bramble]

I think that's somewhat a valid point, the longer it drags on the further agents are moved from their comfort zone/core purpose and end up in a guardian/custodian role/tasks

Despite being trained for autonomous action/decision making they're not necessarily equipped (capability wise) to guard civilians or rebuild a society but risk end up being the ones people look to more and more as other structures fail.

Most people with work experience know that the most skilled person in the team doesn't necessarily make the best manager etc. 😄

[lilac mason]

this is true

[cold bramble]

It's mostly relevant on a macro level though, big picture/long term. In day to day I think agents, barring bitterness or trauma in general, can make their own calls and identify good and evil, root it out and keep moving forward. But the question becomes, forward to what? (If the top structures or just society as a whole is in pieces.)

So the mission to serve the people is not immediately infringed, because when you encounter kidnappings, street gangs, etc on a typical day you act without SHD leadership. But the end goal will be lacking, which is bound to take a mental toll eventually, trained operative or not.

[lilac mason]

i would argue that SHD wouldve found better success if they were activated around our time, not before

by that time we have several key locations taken over by clear cut hostile forces, and i think we woulve performed better in rolling them up rather than trying to hold things together and failing like the first wave did

[marsh harbor]

Me too after trying to do these missions.

[cold bramble]

gets activated proceeds to run upstairs

[gaunt ice]

Work from home to stop the spread of cov- I mean Green Poison,dollar flu

[lilac mason]

He prolly called all the nearby boys over to crash at his place considering its almost a fully kitted base

[cold bramble]

"work from home" sounds like a euphemism for sniping

Assuming you have the view for it

[gaunt ice]

I’m gonna say it:say what you want about lmb,but they have the coolest uniform out of all the factions

Especially the lmb set in div1

[sick lantern]

their captains and heavy gunners look the best IMO
although it’s very dodgy the colour of the armband compliments the uniform nicely

[gaunt ice]

I like their Legendary counterpart,with their bulletproof vest and tactical gear

[floral gull]

Does Dolores Jones and Cindy McAllister share the same VA from the Coney Island mission?

[drifting lotus]

The Drone Operator?.... hmm

[round sinew]

Isn't the Drone Operator Cindy?

[drifting lotus]

Yeah, Drone Operator is Cindy McAllister, voiced by May Charters.

Which.. eh.. I dunno, the voices are distinctively different

[round sinew]

Would be low budget to use the same VA for two people in the same mission.

Esp when it's not like they're doing the best voice acting.

[drifting lotus]

remembering the Drone Operator's voice, and Dolores.... Its a heavy shift from a soft tone to a brooklyn and gritty accent.

Though.. I could argue that the way Dolores tries to talk with a NYC accent is.. forced.

[neon sentinel]

i have sort of a random stupid headcanon, when you revive an agent you tap your watch cause youre activating their shd tech to resuscitate them

[sick lantern]

probably something to do with nanomachines

[neon sentinel]

nanomachines son

[lilac mason]

they harden in response to physical trauma

[sick lantern]

i’m dying you have to inject more nanomachines into me
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[lilac mason]

speaking of revive, the cp leader also have different animation when reviving you from down and dead states

[lilac mason]

you saw my name and took the opportunity dint ya

[neon sentinel]

dont they just like inject you or help you up

the evidence is stacking up

my headcanon is true, ubi hire me as a storyteller

[lilac mason]

yeah if youre down they inject you and you inject yourself in tandem, but if youre dead they use a defib

[neon sentinel]

sherlock holmes has nothing on my deductive reasoning

[gaunt ice]

YOU CANT KILL ME FAT
nukes the chunga

[sleek plover]

damn i hate LMB

[cold bramble]

Cookie clicker: SHD revive edition.

[lilac mason]

taps watch aggressively

[cold bramble]

Rookie agents that don't know you can tap with three fingers at the same time and it will register all of them as individual clicks..

[lilac mason]

Do it like agent Sanders

Mama straight up knocked on it with her knuckles

[neon sentinel]

@sleek plover OH YOU HATE LMB?

DO I HAVE THE IMAGE FOR YOU! (too bad can't send it here check dms)

[lilac mason]

@sleek plover damn he hates LMB

[sick lantern]

he do be hating the LMB doe

[round sinew]

Shame we won't get more content until Christmas

Ubi's studios seem a little overworked rn

[cold bramble]

So like. In dc there are trees and tons of grass where it shouldn't be. I take it this is a few hundred years after the virus hit?

[gaunt ice]

Nope,6 months after ground zero

[cold bramble]

Should be 7 or 8 even, right? Since the initial release of the virus was on black friday, and DC is in July

[lilac mason]

Iirc the game said 7

[gaunt ice]

Yeah around that

[sick lantern]

and the year is 2029

[sick lantern]

actually its mid 2030 by Div 2

[round sinew]

Nowhere is a year given

[sick lantern]

dont make me bring up the small dock again

[round sinew]

The small dock isn't real

D1 is set in 2018 and D2 is 2019

[sick lantern]

lies

IIRC you said yourself that 2029 matches with the given date of black friday

[round sinew]

Sure i did

But a year is never given

[sick lantern]

never explicitly given but we can interpret

[round sinew]

We can, but why.

[sick lantern]

because we need to know!!!!!!!

[round sinew]

The year is irrelevant

Unless they connect it to any other Tom Clancy game, which they won't, the timeline of division isn't necessary

I'd love to assume they did Black Friday on purpose, with the specific date.

But there's zero reason currently to think it was done on purpose or with any deeper meaning.

Because as we all know, Massive is great at setting up lore only to never follow through.

[sick lantern]

facts😭

and also follow through poorly

[cold bramble]

D1 date being known and also the "7 months" in the intro of D2 makes things pretty set in stone

[sick lantern]

yes the div 1 date is known as 2029

[sleek plover]

damn i hate lmb

hi guys

[lilac mason]

Damn he hates lmb

[sleek plover]

Yes I hate the LMB

[digital hemlock]

We need the RMB

[gaunt ice]

fuck lmb and rmb
me and my homies use MMB

[sick lantern]

when do we get the First Man Battalion

[gaunt ice]

Second Man Battalion,Third Man Battalion,Fourth..,:you get the idea

[cold bramble]

Or just Next Man Batallion and a #number ;P

[spare arrow]

"last squads been wiped, neeeeeeeext"

[round sinew]

What about the False Sons

Or the Dirtiers

[gaunt ice]

the Incast

ok here's a million dollar idea:the Last Woman Battalion

the Multiplication

[cold bramble]

The Litterers is a wicked faction name.

[round sinew]

Peaceful Protesters

Lowenas

[cerulean sleet]

Yeah uh what happened to Agent Garcia?

[sick lantern]

is that the guy from the comic? the one rogue agent who’s not an absolute scutterbag?

[slow shale]

tbf all the tom clancys games are connected, they just (mostly) dont interact with one another

[gaunt ice]

DaFrenchy?

[cerulean sleet]

DaFrenchAgent

[floral gull]

Didn’t they connected the franchises with a mobile game

[sick lantern]

well yea but i don’t think the cash-in mobile game where Kandel is a frontline fighter is canon

[gaunt ice]

Wait you actually think a mobile game is canon?

[gaunt ice]

Tbf she looks exactly like the kind of person who would go out and wipe out the cleaners if someone told her there’s a cure

[sick lantern]

she’s a virologist! not a killer

[gaunt ice]

The mad type

But still,i can’t imagine Kandel trying to aim a gun

[cold bramble]

Maybe not in typical tactical gear but I can definitely see her fend off bandits with an 870 if her research/supplies were threatened

[gaunt ice]

strangle a guy to death with bandages

[floral gull]

Is there any reference to these agents in either game? https://imgur.com/vSpkDqI

[sick lantern]

from Agent Origins?

[gaunt ice]

The closest I can think of is the trio in div1 trailers

[vivid inlet]

and i do not

[kind tangle]

the only agents i know in tht pic are Mia and Everett (the hoodie guy), the policeman and fireman im not so sure, they arent featured in the game though.

[floral gull]

Where are they now

[kind tangle]

idk lol

probably M.I.A

corridor didnt continue the series unfortunately

[sick lantern]

is agent origins even canon

[round sinew]

No

[merry spindle]

cant we just put all rikers in one room and release Buddy and Lucy?

[drifting lotus]

Why don't we just take New York, and push it some where else!?

[keen ruin]

Same for DC

[sick lantern]

The Rikers would probably win

even in sensible numbers they are surprisingly vicious

I have to commend them for wiping out the LMB at Clear Sky

[floral gull]

Is there any in game lore on the DC scavengers? Even the NYC robbers with ski masks. I didn’t bother to look for those enemy types in the collections menu

[sick lantern]

ski mask guys in NYC are just Rioters, random thugs and survivalists
the DC guys seem to be much the same

[floral gull]

The only incident where they were of any real threat gaming wise was in the beginning run through of The Federal Bunker mission imo

For some reason or other in groups it becomes a fight for your life surprisingly

An agent or two would go down at least

[lilac mason]

Its the poison nades and the knives that get you mostly

[gaunt ice]

it makes me wonder

how does the SHD Watch level-up thingy benefit us,story-wise?

[cold bramble]

Maybe it signals an increased proficiency at using/navigating SHD intel or similar. Like the better you know google and basic web stuff the more rewarding/levelled up your browsing experience is kind of deal. Like becoming a fast typer.

Well I guess it reflects general field proficiency since it advances all areas like reloading etc, which is honed from experience/repetitions over time (which is equivalent to the watch xp)

I don't think it should be seen as the watch levelling up, lore wise, it think it should just be seen as reflecting the agent's abilities but it's always the agent levelling up/picking up new tricks along the way (the stat increases in the watch)

[gaunt ice]

So the SHD 1000 agent knows how to put more gunpowder inside a bullet than I do?

[sleek plover]

and damn i really hate LMB

[sick lantern]

i think we just have to segregate gameplay and story in this instance, as we often do

[lilac mason]

because a dude with trashcan lit should not be able to withstand even a few rounds off a 7.62 bullet

[round sinew]

Trashcans are made of depleted uranium and Kevlar, though.

[orchid sierra]

On Heroic

[sick lantern]

#td2-build-advice is probably a better place for this

[orchid sierra]

Hmmmmm I think I clicked this by accident WOOPS

There corrected

[sick lantern]

which hive variant do you think will appear in the movie?

[dusky pulsar]

Booster right before someone goes into a roid rage and uses hunter fury to 1v10

[gaunt ice]

Definitely not healing hive

[lilac mason]

I could only see stinger tbh

[cold bramble]

I could see artificier as well, an agent using skills-to-boost-skills, to reinforce the teamwork/synergy aspect

[sick lantern]

i feel like theres possibly some good symbolism in the differences between the artificier and the stinger

the artificier can be used to idk fix a water purifier or something, which can contrast the the violence of the stinger

to show some partially morally grey areas of the SHD, if thats the route they want to take

[gaunt ice]

ehh its a video game movie,99% of them are always shitty

Sonic and Mortal Kombat are the first ones to not suck

[sick lantern]

i heard mortal kombat did suck?

and you dont often hear about the director actually liking the games so i have tentative trust in this

very tentative

[lilac mason]

the question is how to make the effect work

i chose stinger because the expendable drones injecting sting stuff into people to harm them sounds the most feasible

[gaunt ice]

I would say it’s too much gore for cinemas,but we have a guy who attached a knife to a rope and chop legs and hands out so I guess it’s ok

[round sinew]

Ratchet and Clank was good

[gaunt ice]

Didn’t watch that one

Imagine div1 Keener strapping you to a chair and forces you to watch the Bee Movie and AC movie back-to-back

[cold bramble]

That's kind of what I'm thinking too. There is no shortage in ways of demonstrating the violent aspects, so it would be good to show off the supportive/enabling aspects

[cold bramble]

I think it could be done almost equally with restorer hive etc too though, just bright "friendly green" glowing arrows, injecting boost/making a wound close up for instance. (Just need to avoid the more deep/bluish tones of the hyena spice to not mix them up.)

Unless the hyena spice is just an unrefined/homebrew variant of the same compound that is used in the restorer

[lilac mason]

yeah true

[cold bramble]

If First Aid uses nanotech to patch up our Div 1 agent, how much of their body is now nanotech or nanotech-driven healing

The nano tech just encourages natural cell growth and then leaves the body, I kind of assumed..

[dusky pulsar]

NANOMACHINES

Division gear solid 2, the twin agents

Division gear solid 4, guns of the true sons

[spark canopy]

Iirc there was healing with strikers in div 1 and nomad existing
Wonder how that works

[cold bramble]

I always considered Striker's like a more classical bloodlust/berserk

It keeps you alive while you're actively fighting (because you're too absorbed in the battle to notice)

[sick lantern]

it's set in Div 1, no Hyenas

well, presumably

[sick lantern]

True Sons is short for "True Sons of Liberty"

[dusky pulsar]

Pog

[gaunt ice]

Nanomachines,son.They harden in response to physical trauma.

[spare arrow]

@fleet ermine keener is the final boss of liberty island

[dusky pulsar]

The guy you fight with the missile and the virus

Ahgh fuck you beat me to it

[drifting lotus]

WERE ALL SONS OF THE PATRIOTS NOW

[sick lantern]

"Optimized ISAC tracking and prediction code through rapid machine learning predictions for immediate combat parameters. Due to large data intake and processing limitations, memory dumps must be handled quickly."

[drifting lotus]

Combat high.. woof.

[gaunt ice]

Fun fact:Striker actually uses nanomachines

[sick lantern]

somehow ISAC AI makes your bullets shoot better

[drifting lotus]

apparently faster too!

[gaunt ice]

I can’t make another nanomachine joke because I made it 6 hours ago and it would be too repetitive

[dusky pulsar]

Black Tusk Rising: Revengeance

[sick lantern]

RULES OF NATURE
agent drop kicks a warhound or something

[gaunt ice]

insert beating a chunga with a sweet dream to dead,because its cinematic

[dusky pulsar]

Nah dual wield lady death and start slugging it out

[lilac mason]

put 4 agents pistol whipping a chungus to death

[round sinew]

Wait, but those were also both good

[gaunt ice]

I’m sorry

AC the Movie is good?

My ass,Romulus

Also Bee Movie is arguable,given that it can be hilariously bad and not,lame bad

Imagine your girlfriend dumping you for a bee

A BEE!

[round sinew]

The AC Movie was fun to watch

Spinny fight scenes

[gaunt ice]

It’s cheap,flashy action movie

Flashy,but somehow flops even with that great of a crew

[sleek plover]

and damn i hate LMB

[gaunt ice]

10 bucks says that it’s better than AC movie

[cold bramble]

Well I.O.U $10 😂

[floral gull]

Anyone here know all the dialogues for the heavy cleaner?

[sick lantern]

there's a list of quotes on the wiki but i dont think it'll be specific to the enemy archetype

then again im not sure if any of them actually say anything in combat

[lilac mason]

Cleaner chungus says plenty of things ay

[sick lantern]

maybe in Div 2 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gaunt ice]

i still want a rifle-flamethrower hybrid like the cleaner ones

[sick lantern]

realistically with SHD tech it wouldnt be too hard to create

what if in Div 3 they give us the option to replace one skill with a special weapon attachment

well, that probably wouldnt work too well actually

[floral gull]

White phosphorus mod?

[gaunt ice]

why though?sounds like a good idea for tight space combat and medium/long areas

[sick lantern]

i feel like in non-skill builds they would either be useless or would have much more utility than other skills
and skill builds probably would have no use for them

[gaunt ice]

like,a hi-power underbarrel shotgun that replaces manual skills like launcher,seeker,...

or a grenade launcher under your gun in exchange for the grenade launcher,but you can refill ammo from ammo cache or dead enemies more often

or even have more ammo for the grenade launcher like flash,concussion,smoke...

or a flamethrower that disable the use of a second main weapon and has a flammable tank with it that makes you a easier target,but can shoot Cleaner-far and deals piercing damage?

effective against tanks and cc

[cold bramble]

I like the concept. Then Demolitionist could have an unlock in the tree that disables the signature weapon but unlocks M203 grenade launcher as an underbarrel mod or similar.

[cold bramble]

Id be behind that 100%

The current M302 is detachable and can be used on its own now so having it as as a dual attachment option would be awesome.

[spare arrow]

m320 or m203

oh wait, i'm just stupid

the m203 is the one without the grip, m302 is the one with

[cold bramble]

M320 is what I meant, typo my bad

M203 is the old generation

Got to play around with it before I got out, and man is it fun to use

So letting the demo spec use it would be really fun

as an underbarrel attachie ^

Would allow a shotgun use too so it would be interesting to see how they would implement that

Looks odd, but its a hell of an upgrade over the 203. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M320_Grenade_Launcher_Module#/media/File:PEO_M320_on_M4_Carbine.jpg

Ah yeah, that's just me falling behind the times, M320 would make most sense.

My last unit just got it before I got out in 2015 so its understandable. 😅 Wasnt for that I wouldnt have ever been introduced to it

Id love to see the demo have a shotgun, smoke, phosphorous, HE, etc rounds in that though as an underbarrel.

For balancing I could see the shotty rounds do all armor and maybe 3/4 hp in one hit.. with a hella slow reload time

[floral gull]

what about Radiation rounds

[cold bramble]

Thats not used, uranium rounds is a no go

afaik anyway

Would be a little dark to use for agents in that setting anyway imo 😄

Got to admit though.. damn would that be evil to use

a chest full or uranium, from a 40mm casing.. oooff

tickling the innards would be an understatement

Also having supplies of it means risking losing supplies of it to other factions so that's a good in itself to not use any 😄

I couldnt really see radiated rounds being a thing.. but damn would it be lethal as all hell

Just a scratch/shard from a shot would be deadly

Would be hard to balance that severity of round me thinks

Maybe akin it to a pure HP dmg type element? Bypassing armor

Bypasses armor but every reload gives you a stack of radiation sickness..

Sorta like Backfire

I liiiike!

@spare arrow , as a lover of Backfire, would you like something like this? Im curious. 🤔

[spare arrow]

I would. Straight HP damage is a unique thing in games, and if its done right you could be a sort of special-killer.

[cold bramble]

Maybe turn it into a heavy double edge sword style build.

Definitely not a solo play but make it shine most in a group perhaps?

[spare arrow]

I could see it working very well with another person on a negotiators build. Have your friend mow down the normal ads, while you work on the specials.

[cold bramble]

Could make it also focused on a "Boss" so to speak.. terrible on mobs, but works well when focused on a single hard target

Where is Ubidude when we need him to suggest such things..

[floral gull]

Agents are already using bio and chem weapons against enemies anyways

[spare arrow]

Pesti, and both of the chem launcher's offensive variants, true.

[cold bramble]

Fair point

Depleted Uranium isnt out of the realm of reality either so... hmm makes the mind ponder indeed

Makes me wonder, why didnt the Devs introduce more HP oriented round types knowing they would be fighting SHD agents who use armor.

For say, Black Tusk to counter us as the player.

BT seems to have a stupid amount of funding to do what they have, so why not use round types to counter their greatest obstacle? (Us agents)

[floral gull]

Random steam damage in Parkway mission > Advanced Black Tusk military grade technology

DC-62 launcher

[cold bramble]

DC-62 would be a hell of a tactic to spread. But to an extent. It would only be devastating to a place you don't want to set foot in yourself to take over, not for occupation.

If you tried to take over another nation (in our case the US) then it would be terrible to use in a large scale

[floral gull]

DC-62 grenade launcher rounds, itll be a nice cover denier

[cold bramble]

Evil... I like it lol

Push into it.. guaranteed death. Take time to go around, could be a loss too. I see your point indeed

Granted we dont know its life/half-life so not sure if it could be used as a temporary measure in combat. It could be used to say, close off a hallway, but then it would be that way for 30 years after setting it off type thing

I still think uranium would be a viable option now the more I think about it. No lingering radiation, just straight single point target outcome.

Other than the bodies themselves of course

Im giving this way too much thought now that I realize. 👀

[sick lantern]

isnt Pestilence some crazy nanomachines or something?

[floral gull]

Time for a little break from your expositions, using some of my choloform MarSolus

[cold bramble]

chloroform is a whole nother discussion 😅 😑

Ima stop.. already on enough lists by this point I imagine.

[floral gull]

yessss. Sleepy time Mars

[cold bramble]

Sleep? Nah, its only 1436 here

Just.. time to go do other things lol

[floral gull]

whats more important

than hanging around a discord server all day

[cold bramble]

Well when you have nothing better do with your life.. Discord it is! 👀

[floral gull]

As the Division's motto says, 'Extremis Malis Extrema Remedia'

[cold bramble]

Fair point, desperation creates desperate measures indeed.

[neon sentinel]

So ik the black tusk goal is to neutralize the division and take control of DC and NY I guess now, but... Why? Aren't they ex-government too? Shouldn't we be working with them?

I can understand why white tusk hate us so much given that they're ex-lmb and we all know how much the LMB fuckin hate the division but regular black tusk idk.

[sick lantern]

i thought the same thing, if the black tusk want to control the county then fighting the remaining legitimate government is a dumb idea

[neon sentinel]

@sick lantern prolly another "the divisions way of doing things is outdated and they aren't fit to rebuild" sorta thing, they're whole MO is that they're technologically superior, I guess our way of "fixing" things is too ancient for them.

[floral gull]

Its why I keep saying to put Bardon Schaeffer into the Bioreactor

To show all the faction how The Division solves problems

[mint citrus]

The Black Tusk believes the SHD is corrupt and needs to be replaced by a more... legitimate government

Ellis was their ticket to doing that

At least until Faye domed him

[sick lantern]

so they backed the traitor and fought against the legitimate governing body... Of course!

[gaunt ice]

tbf Ellis was a massive dickhead before all of this,the people would probably ignore him completely

[floral gull]

Why did the president came back to a compromised site like white oak even if it was to meet up with a seemingly ally? Didn’t someone sacrificed himself for him to escape the first time?

[gaunt ice]

1.Gavelson,cool dude
2.i believe that Lau set the locations on purpose

cuz she earned the trust of BT by that point,especially after we got Bard

probably trying to either send a message to shd,or just want them to see him dead

i think i just used all of my braincells trying to make a convincing reason for that,cuz lets face it,TD2 post-WoNY lore sucks

seasons that are good:0,1,3

bad:everything else

even the Tusk arc of the story

[cold bramble]

Is White Oak taken over/used as a base at all or was all the stuff (like the turrets and trucks etc) just for the meeting with Ellis? I.e. when Lau invited him to White Oak, was it a already made into a semi-permanent Black Tusk installation or was it abandoned/unused and they didn't actually man it with Black Tusks until after the meeting was accepted?

[gaunt ice]

iirc they dug it in as a stronghold before Ellis got away and tried to recapture it in White Oaks Invaded

but they failed there,so no chance of them coming back until Lau's Manhunt

[lilac mason]

White oak invaded should happen quite soon after white oak vanilla, considering JTF were still gathering stuff there and got slaughtered

Then i think they came back to set Ellis down and strengthened the defense to better protect him since the division rolled through their force twice

[gaunt ice]

“Hey let’s set up a base at the same place we got wipe out by a single guy twice!What could go wrong?”

[drifting inlet]

AHAHAHA XD

[sleek plover]

damn i hate

LMB

but in all srsness, i think if we would ever get an army-sized JTF allies

that is they are about as numerous as enemy squads, they could follow the true sons archetypes right?

[gaunt ice]

Wdym by archetype?

Like “hahhhh angry,must kill good guys” type?

Or equipment-wise?

[sleek plover]

in soldier-type wise

assault, throwers, immobilizers

medics

[cold bramble]

Yeah, the icon they show/the text that comes up when you die, describing them.

[cinder edge]

Im still wondering how the logistics of owning a giant hovercraft in the early post apocalypse is possible

[mint citrus]

Considering the BT seem to have an endless supply of them

We haven't blown any up yet

[gaunt ice]

Well the one at tidal basin is definitely out of commission

[gaunt ice]

if the support ever arrives,other than that i doubt it since the True Sons got all the good shit

and the fact that they consist of 60-90% of former JTF

why can i be sure?the opening of d2 shows them almost losing the White House to a bunch of drug addicts

[cold bramble]

Not endless right? On Libery Island they say "that's our last one" or similar about the Maurader iirc

Maybe just the last one they brought though, not the last one in inventory (since evidently they build them too)

[mint citrus]

Yeah.

[cold bramble]

The logistics of owning one would be pretty straightforward as long as you have plenty of spares, fuel and the crew are isolated from the Green Poison