division-universe

[round sinew]

Sometimes it be like that

[gaunt ice]

I do like the fact Bardon refer us as “My friend”

Idk,he genuinely sounds like a good guy

[round sinew]

Because he is.

Throughout the game he's nothing but a solid dude.

[remote turtle]

He’s just doing what he believes it the right and necessary thing that has to be done, even though it may get dirty at times.

[round sinew]

He's not a sadistic comic book villain. He's not a thug. He's just a professional doing a job he doesn't particularly like to the best of his ability. He's literally every 9-5 employee ever.

[remote turtle]

He’s a military man to the core. It a job and it has to be done and he has the skills to get it done.

[round sinew]

Yep.

And a lot of the comms imply he hates his boss and half his team and thinks half of what he's been ordered to do is stupid.

We're all Bardon Schaeffer.

[remote turtle]

Ya the only reason he’s working with them is cause he was ordered to get the best of the best. He may not like who they are as people but they have the necessary skills to help him accomplish his mission.

[round sinew]

The only guy he seems to have any care for Jack Bonney.

Who just so happens to be the only BTSU member not dead

[remote turtle]

Well considering that that dude attracted more flies then the corpses around him, I’m guessing he’s deep in a sewer blending in with his natural environment.

[round sinew]

Bonney seems to be relatively stable, too. I guess he'd have to be if Bardon likes him.

[gaunt ice]

He also has a army of simps surrounds him

[mint citrus]

Good guy Bardon Schaeffer

[round sinew]

Stable compared to the psycho that was Wyvern.

[gaunt ice]

Like,they’ll bash you right after Bardon makes a one-liner

[remote turtle]

Wvyern snapped at the last second when that pilot fucked it her hovercraft

[round sinew]

Something tells me she was always unhinged.

[mint citrus]

One of his teammates told me she'd give my agent an honorable and quick death

I'm like, "thanks, I think?"

They complement your skills too which is dope

Respectful simps, those guys

[round sinew]

Hell, there's a collection of comms where Bardon and Jack talk about how stupid their orders in DC are and how badly they want to just avoid SHD and half the drams in the city.

[mint citrus]

They had more personality than the entirety of the SHD

All 5 people

[round sinew]

Oh yeah, Bardon is my favourite antagonist in all of Division. Better enemy than Keener.

[remote turtle]

Well considering it’s cannon that a single agent can literally destroy 100x their number and call it an afternoon. I would want to avoid them at all cost as well.

[round sinew]

That was basically their reasoning. I think Bardon's exact words was "more trouble than they're worth"

[mint citrus]

Hell yeah for villain respect and professionalism

[gaunt ice]

Most of shds either kia’ed or on duty

[remote turtle]

Except when the btsu dream team needed to mess up stuff, then they became the bad boys.

[round sinew]

If Bardon didn't have dickbutt for a boss, he likely would've tried to ally with SHD.

[remote turtle]

I would considering that I would have allies that are a 1 person platoon

[round sinew]

Honestly I would welcome a future plot where Bardon changes his mind and becomes your buddy.

[gaunt ice]

Bard’s team is like that one teammate in Domination who refuses to play the objective and just to rush people despite their kd is like 0.1

[mint citrus]

We'll see what's up with him tomorrow tbh

[round sinew]

Bardon is a realistic character.

[mint citrus]

I hope

[round sinew]

He got the treatment I wish Keener had gotten.

[remote turtle]

Keener isn’t dead.

[round sinew]

Bruh

[mint citrus]

I really want to know what Faye's deal is tho

[gaunt ice]

Bruh

[mint citrus]

bruh

[round sinew]

Keener is dead as a doorknob.

[gaunt ice]

Troller detected

[remote turtle]

Lol

[gaunt ice]

Sending backup request to ActuallyAspect

[round sinew]

We didn't even kill him. Massive killed him in WONY before we ever even shot at him.

[remote turtle]

I have to say it every once in a while for the lols

[gaunt ice]

The sauce is.....
dies

[mint citrus]

According to the half-dozen rockets I peppered him with he should be chunky salsa

[round sinew]

Turned a cool "always have a plan" villain into "heehoo what if I committed genocide 2.0?"

[gaunt ice]

He’ll come back,probably

[round sinew]

So uncivilized.

[mint citrus]

Saturday morning cartoon motivation, ffs

[round sinew]

YES

[plain junco]

he literally took gordon's research in div1 - he probably wanted to commit genocide then

[gaunt ice]

Obi-Wan?

[round sinew]

Thank you

[remote turtle]

Well my favourite running theory is that he knew that unless he was off the board we as the shd would never see the bigger picture so he let us kill him, but not until he put his backup plan for us when we need it.

[round sinew]

Probably, but they could've done anything with that story other than wanton killing and chaos

[mint citrus]

"Mwahahaha, gonna nuke Manhattan so we can start over from scratch"

[gaunt ice]

My theory is that this was all set up to fake his death,so that he can stay off the grid

[plain junco]

pls let keener stay dead

[mint citrus]

Bad Keener, bad!

[round sinew]

Bad theory

[mint citrus]

I liked him more in D1

[plain junco]

i never cared for him even in d1

[remote turtle]

I like to think that he is still around and that was an elaborate body double.

[round sinew]

You watch Keener's life drain from his eyes. We don't need another Hornet.

[gaunt ice]

Idk,he looks so different in part 2

[cold bramble]

he flatlined with a metaphorical camera right in his face, there is no way to bring him back

[mint citrus]

Man got scruffy

[round sinew]

Man got thin and deranged looking

[gaunt ice]

Like,facially different

[round sinew]

Yeah

[gaunt ice]

So that’s where I got my crackpot theory

[round sinew]

His ID in the first game looks real different

[gaunt ice]

Like,even Faye looks almost the same apart from the eyepatch

[round sinew]

I'm gonna chalk it up to dev oversight, not some hidden in-universe conspiracy.

[gaunt ice]

Wait how did Hornet came back to life,again?

[round sinew]

They probably didn't have a 3D model in the 1st game and built it for WONY

[remote turtle]

That true we never reall saw his face in the first one besides the I’d

[round sinew]

Magic. The agent(s) in D1 apparently didn't double-tap him and Keener got to him and got him patched up.

Dumbest comeback ever.

[gaunt ice]

He was killed once before by the NYC branch?

[cold bramble]

issac not calling his death should've been the biggest sign pepelaugh

[round sinew]

Yes. Outside the Russian consulate. He was a throwaway boss.

[remote turtle]

Is a did say that agent was deceased

[cold bramble]

he didn't

[round sinew]

I'm guessing they picked a random boss from D1 to make a comeback. I don't wanna believe it was planned.

[gaunt ice]

I guess that’s where Codename Nightmare’s original plot gonna come in

If they had not cancelled it

[round sinew]

Rogues coming back from the dead lmao

[remote turtle]

I just watched the video again and Isaac does say agent deceased

[gaunt ice]

Like,explain how you lost your heartbeat for 15 minutes straight,bleeding out and clicking on a orange watch brings you back to life?

[remote turtle]

He specifically says rogue agent deceased

[round sinew]

Yeah. Like I said, I figure the devs for the manhunts just wanted to make a callback character and picked one of the like 4 rogues you fight in D1.

[gaunt ice]

Yeah that’s the point

[round sinew]

A callback, lore be damned.

[gaunt ice]

Ohhhhh I remember it now

[remote turtle]

No i mean for keener not hornet.

[round sinew]

Oh. Well. Yeah.

[gaunt ice]

Hornet the last boss in the Russian Counsulate?

[round sinew]

Keener is dead. Unless they pull some real asshat stuff, I wouldn't expect Keener to come back other than as a martyr on the lips of followers.

[round sinew]

Yes.

[gaunt ice]

Yeah I remember slapping him with a full 7.62 mag

[round sinew]

You kill him as you leave the building. The lore is the agent(s) basically left him for dead without making sure he died, and Keener came back to patch him up.

[gaunt ice]

And then shot him 10 more on the head just to make sure he’s dead since I was too frustrated at that point

[gaunt ice]

Well that is just a asspull

[round sinew]

The agent(s) in Division 1 were sloppy.

[remote turtle]

Keener was hiding in a garbage pail watching the whole thing like Oscar the grouch until our agent was gone

[round sinew]

Lmao

[gaunt ice]

Haha

[round sinew]

I figure he does that the whole game, just following you around NYC in a trashcan.

[gaunt ice]

@round sinew it’s always Christmas for you?

[round sinew]

What

[gaunt ice]

Like that avatar

[round sinew]

No I changed it for the holiday

[remote turtle]

Ya it’s just the lid opens just enough for him to see out of and the bottoms is cut out for jpg is legs. As per shd training.

[gaunt ice]

Idk,it sticked for a while now?

[round sinew]

My server of friends change our avatars for the holiday. We slap Santa hats to our avatars.

[gaunt ice]

A MGS cardboard box is better

Since it’s the ultimate camouflage

[gaunt ice]

Neat

[remote turtle]

No cause then snake would have showed up and killed keener in 1 second flat for stealing his stuff

[round sinew]

Ugh, Anna, I'm trying to hide but I'm too thick and the slap of my asscheeks keep alerting the agents.

[gaunt ice]

Blursed

[gaunt ice]

“thicc”

Yeah remember that one small carbon box that you thought it was a prop?

And if you shoot a specific one,it’ll grant you the achievement:Breaking the Timeline

[round sinew]

It's because you killed Keener

[gaunt ice]

Could be neat to have

[gaunt ice]

I understand my own jokes,thank you

[round sinew]

You're welcome

[gaunt ice]

Well it’s a good thing Aspect is sleeping now

[spare arrow]

Im not

[gaunt ice]

Fuck

[round sinew]

Aspect never sleeps

[spare arrow]

^

[round sinew]

Mods don't actually sleep. I know the feeling well.

[gaunt ice]

What is this,insta karma?

[trail wind]

Had a guild leader once say "Sleep for the weak." lol.

[gaunt ice]

Don’t you guys have shifts?

[round sinew]

Sleep is for the dead.

[gaunt ice]

Guess I’m dead

[round sinew]

How many members does this server have, Aspect?

[spare arrow]

alot

[gaunt ice]

Why don’t you guys have shifts thou?

[round sinew]

Y'all didn't set up a bot to help organize that info?

clucks tongue

[spare arrow]

we do have a bot

128k or so users

[round sinew]

Hhhh.

[gaunt ice]

Well gg

How do you stay awake for that long

[round sinew]

Cull them, Aspect.

[gaunt ice]

Like seriously,I have a shitton of homework and I can’t stay anywhere past 11:30

[spare arrow]

no only if they break rules

[gaunt ice]

Really,how?

[round sinew]

It's a moderator secret.

[gaunt ice]

Oh,so it’s like the Crabby Patty recipe of Discord

[spare arrow]

no but yes

[round sinew]

More like the soylent green recipe imo

I personally consume the living souls of the innocent in order to sustain myself.

[spare arrow]

sounds fun

but

back to spoilers

so bardon's manhunt, huh

[gaunt ice]

Yeah

[round sinew]

The spoiler is it's good for your skin, too. Gets rid of wrinkles like nobody's business.

I hope we get to kill Faye. I have no reason. I just hate her decision-making skills and want to punish her for it.

[gaunt ice]

I did the thing,and I must say I’m not the biggest fan of the execution

[gaunt ice]

Paper work lady that turns against you and disavow every you have done

[round sinew]

Nah, not even that.

She went rogue for no good reason.

We've killed for less.

I'm an equal-opportunity executioner.

[gaunt ice]

If I kill her,does that count as bullying the disabled?

I mean,she has a crippled leg,a blinded eye,and ptsd

[round sinew]

Don't care

She dies like every other Rogue.

[gaunt ice]

One thing we know for sure,she’ll be fairly easy to kill

Why,you would ask?

She uses a skill build,pointed out by that BTSU glove

Her armor should be made out of paper

[mint citrus]

Something something character gone rogue turns out to be good all along cliche

[spiral turtle]

Anybody have pics/links to the season 3 manhunt target bios that you read in the manhunt menu?

I usually read them but forgot to this time

[crisp shuttle]

any idea when the cutscene that initially showed faye turning rogue played? was it during a season or after wony?

[unreal widget]

@crisp shuttle After you've killed Keener.

[crisp shuttle]

ah ty

[gaunt ice]

cant wait to take a selfie with faye's ded body

[ashen jungle]

Creepy.

[limpid jewel]

Lol

[lost ginkgo]

so is it not possible that she went rogue to inflitrate deeper into the enemy or sth? n destroy it from within?

[cold bramble]

it's very possible, people are just bloodthirsty

i mean hunters were watching her rogues from the very start, the suspicion is there

[ashen jungle]

Faye Lau is officially marked as working with Black Tusk on the Wiki, she is classified as "Rogue" by the SHD Network.
And she screwed us over at the end when no one else was around to hear it, so if she's undercover then what on Earth is she after?

[sleek plover]

Does anyone know anything about 4 lieutenants?

By any chance is at least one of them ex-LMB affiliated?

[gaunt ice]

To be fair,you can’t trust gaming wiki

But she working as a double agent will be such a asspull that this channel might cease to exist

[ashen jungle]

It's better than making up wild theories with no actual proof behind them.

[gaunt ice]

Ok you got me

But what you’re saying is a theory too,so it’s a draw I guess

[gaunt ice]

Wait for 45 more minutes

For the first 2

[ashen jungle]

You sure it's just a "theory" https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Faye_Lau ?

[gaunt ice]

I just said that gaming wiki can’t be trusted

[ashen jungle]

Source?

[gaunt ice]

I.e:Minecraft wiki

It’s minor mistake,yes,but I just don’t take it as a serious source

But for the sake of me not accidentally turn into a dick,ima stay neutral

And plus,I agree with you

I’m just saying that wiki ain’t that reliable

[gusty fulcrum]

first thing I noticed: lau has overcharge

[gaunt ice]

her boss fight will probably be avoiding her from spamming riot foam

[round sinew]

Her boss fight will include me putting my fubus on her neck

And then playing hopscotch

I'd do it in fuzzy bunny slippers and a robe if I could.

[gaunt ice]

fubus?

[trail wind]

hoping we dont actually kill her. Get some new plot twist lol.

[sleek plover]

Just hoping one of the lieutenants are exlmb

[trail wind]

Like we normally get haha.

[waxen arrow]

you are truly bloodthirsty for LMB

[sleek plover]

Yes I am, i hope the devs notice

freedom is a right, liberty is a given. to deny this is blasphemy.

I hope I can aztec sacrifice them for our lady liberty where we have slewn the tyrant keener beneath her heels at liberty island

and I will hang their helmet clad skulls to every points of her crown

a sacred, divine offering to one truth, one ultimate truth of this world that is freedom.

All shall embrace freedom or die.

... lol

srry, i was having too much fun

[floral gull]

ah, so the minor faction around DC are called The Ambushers

Just need to find that Loot Goblin so that snowball gun drops

[late quiver]

I really hope they don't pull a TV show ending and she was like, undercover the entire time. Or like... it was all a dream!

[cyan path]

pretty sure even The Division is too dark for petty stuff like that

[late quiver]

Is there an actual technical name for the loot guy? He's got a unique NPC icon over his head, so he has to. I just have always wondered what it was. I don't think it's loot goblin, though, as much as that would be awesome.

[floral gull]

Ambusher Hoarder

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Ambushers#Hoarder

There are some important names and character ties within Lau's Rogue cell

[late quiver]

oh cool, thank you!

[cyan path]

those guys always carry more than one random gun in their bigass bags and all the ambushers still have are medieval tier weapons

dudes are LARPing Assassins Creed Valhalla

[floral gull]

That Heavy with the chainsaw scared the hell out of me first encounter in the sewers

[late quiver]

I call him Buzz.

[cyan path]

I call him Ironface

[late quiver]

Dude's covered in armor... it's more like Iron... everywhere, not just face lol

[cyan path]

it's more of a reference to the fact he's an armored Leatherface knockoff

with chains

[floral gull]

You got huge balls rushing up to a Division agent with an LMG using a trashcan as a shield though

[cyan path]

you got huge balls for using anything that isn't a gun in the first place

except Cleaner rushers

fuck them

[floral gull]

no im scared of the outcast rushers 😰

[cyan path]

and also flamethrowers, flamethrowers are cringe when it isn't OUR flamethrower or the incinerator turret

[floral gull]

Man, the Sokolov's are going to be pissed after we off Kestrel

[cyan path]

Should've made their set look better

[floral gull]

kek

[glad spruce]

Anyone got the audio logs from the Viper manhunt?

[mint citrus]

https://youtu.be/I45fXkqqIQM

[glad spruce]

Well, in any case, I'm ready to enact justice on Faye Lau and her cohorts

[cold bramble]

So this new trailer tells me to only listen to my self when it comes to theories, long before we got here ive believed faye would do anything for the mission but the constant talks of her sister warped my opinion

I'm weak pepelaugh

[limpid jewel]

Anyone spot the loot goblin yet?

[round sinew]

Holy shit

The deep lore in this season is immense.

Alicia Coswald, a Sokolov, and the heiress of D&H?

All working for Lau, all recruited by Black Tusk. And all former Division agents.

Hmmmmmm

It's smelling like SHD was compromised from the get-go.

It's smelling like Black Tusk had a plan ready before Green Poison.

[glad spruce]

Yeah, I had a feeling that SHD was set up to fail since day one.

No way you deliberately send tons of first wave agents to NYC and then leave them to die at the DZ unless you were planning to fuck them over

[round sinew]

It makes sense Alicia Coswald is with Faye. It seems she's the one that convinced Faye to go traitor and work for Black Tusk.

But how coincidental is it that a Sokolov and a Harris not only joined the Division but just so happened to join Black Tusk?

I can't wait for a few weeks to see if Magnus is more than just some Army vet.

BTW, the BTSU Datagloves are bad ass

[round sinew]

Gotta love the open-world bounties because sometimes you'll get a random add spawn and a Card spawn and a 10 minute bounty becomes a 30 minute fight for your life.

[cyan path]

Don't forget about doing a CP and an elite convoy and patrol come in while you're busy with the people guarding the CP

[waxen arrow]

fuck that, don't you hate it when an aerial recon flys over the control point you fight at?

[gaunt ice]

F

One time when I was clearing a heroic cp,2 rouge decided to pay a visit,right when I broke my last armor piece

[spiral turtle]

I got The Sleigher

You have to lead so much with it because the snowball travel time is soooooo slow

[wide shoal]

wait, isn't this first target the daughter of charles douglas

aka the person currently standing around in our firing range

doesn't he have anything to say about the fact that we're out to kill his daughter?

[mint citrus]

Nope, not at all

Unfortunately

[wide shoal]

i wonder if our boo staff will go rogue

[jolly wharf]

lau is in camp white oak.

[mint citrus]

We do straight up murder Charles' daughter

Damn son

[wide shoal]

ah, you completed the manhunt mission? no cop-out like they did with schaeffer, "he'll be fine"?

[mint citrus]

Nope

Viper is only our first target

It's similar to the other manhunts, actually.

[spiral turtle]

We don’t get Faye for at least another 8 weeks or so

[mint citrus]

You'd think that killing the daughter of on of our suppliers would elicit a reaction of some kind.

[plain junco]

considering that she knowing joined an organizations that is attacking, threatening and killing civilians - he's probably has complicated feelings

one she knew what she was getting into and that she could run into division agents any time soon - and the other being that's his only kid - plus from the bio he tried to talk her out of it

so whatever happens is basically her own damn fault

[sleek plover]

She sided with BTSU, she must die.

A very simple logic, this.

[round sinew]

Huh. I forgot her dad is in the White House.

It's pretty solid theory the Sokolov Concern is a supplier/shareholder/deeply connected in the Black Tusk conspiracy.

I wonder if Viper, being the heiress to D&H, is trting to do something similar.

God I wish we had deeper lore.

[gaunt ice]

Idk but something tells me she’ll be using a full set of solokov

And you’ll fight her in a alley way or a cage,since it’s super tight space

[spiral turtle]

I think we went over this already, but do we think anything’ll happen with her dad with viper being dead

[round sinew]

I figure Viper would be using D&H gear. Kestrel might use Sokolov.

[spiral turtle]

Nah kestrel will use D&H and Viper’ll use sololov /s

[round sinew]

Oh. For the record. Kestrel has nothing to do with the Voron agent Kestrel from Splinter Cell.

[sleek plover]

D&H has two founders right? So Douglas is on our side, whar about Hardins?

Also I just noticed that all of the manhunt lieutenants has a specific mask they wear,so i think we can discern their gear from it.

[spiral turtle]

Snake lady dead

Last com lowkey sad

Ngl

[sleek plover]

Welp that does it, Im dismantling all my sokolov gears.

[late quiver]

If The Division was infiltrated by rogues/Black Tusk since the beginning...
Is Ubi pulling a SHIELD/Hydra type of deal?

[gaunt ice]

nice theory

[gloomy talon]

What was keener’s connection to Faye excatly

[gaunt ice]

nothing?

she got hooked up by coswald

[ashen jungle]

Not much, Lau's sister died, that coupled with a bunch of other stuff pushed her over the edge.

[gloomy talon]

Interesting, cause cutscene after keener death had me curious

Kind of makes me question her role with black tusk as others as well

[ashen jungle]

It felt kinda out of nowhere, but apparently it's been going on for a while.

[marsh gulch]

Lau didn't like Keener. Alicia "Circe" Coswald was the one that led her to Mr. Barbon

[gloomy talon]

Hmm... got a good feeling who next manhunt will be if there is gonna be another 😁

[marsh gulch]

If you have collected all the comms from Season 3 Manhunt you probably have heard the one where Lau talks to Bardon I think and then Kelso. so yeah it's safe to say it's been going on for a while

[gloomy talon]

I would personally to hate to kill Kelso but wouldn’t mind it

[marsh gulch]

Haha I mean I would love when we are blamed for the death of the President we go rogue and everyone turns on us

Then we would have to go against Kelso I feel like

[gloomy talon]

But you still got president to worry about, he been suspicious as well

But kelso as a manhunt wouldn’t make no sense honestly

[marsh gulch]

Yeah I mean why should Kelso go rogue?

[gaunt ice]

content

like every youtuber ever

[marsh gulch]

😂😂True

[gloomy talon]

I was about to say that, it wouldn’t be no point for her to go rogue unless for attention

[gaunt ice]

but seriously,can it?

[gloomy talon]

She wouldn’t of had gained anything from it

[gaunt ice]

just imagine Ubi-RealDude read this and be like:thats sounds neat

[gloomy talon]

Oh lord

[gaunt ice]

well we never saw fayes betrayal

[gloomy talon]

That is true

[marsh gulch]

Probably happened after her sisters death and when she heard what Bardon had to offer

[gloomy talon]

Had to be in recording

[marsh gulch]

Other serious Question tho who is the division commander now?

[gaunt ice]

idk,maybe in a bunker

[gloomy talon]

Good question

[gaunt ice]

what do he have to offer?its not like she got a bone to pick with shd

[spare arrow]

Manny for the DC branch, it seems.

[marsh gulch]

Manny is not even an Agent

[gaunt ice]

he was just the comms guy?

[sleek plover]

he used to be a comms guy

[spare arrow]

Acting Div coordinator.

[sleek plover]

for jtf

[gaunt ice]

well do you think the guy with the vest full of medals be a agent?

[sleek plover]

now hes a commander because attrition

[spare arrow]

I imagine theres not many agents left, so its just manny doing the commander's work. So he'd be the commander, logically.

[gaunt ice]

nah remember in the trailer,it tells us that all gov staffs are in a bunker now?

[marsh gulch]

Yeah

[gaunt ice]

so maybe their boss is there

[sleek plover]

there was this one comm that manny talks to general about true sons

and the general said they still need to protect border

so some parts of US army are still active i guess

But there is one thing about jtf troops are that

true sons were technically jtf

[gaunt ice]

yeah,outside of dc or in places where the virus hits weak

[marsh gulch]

What about the Secretary Of Defence? What if he took over?

[gaunt ice]

10% of them

[sleek plover]

so if we are going to have a friendly jtf npc to the scale of an army

[gaunt ice]

well no one said he cant

[sleek plover]

maybe they will follow the same archetypes and combat skills

but with bonafide us army unfiroms

[round sinew]

There is no "SHD commander" technically. SHD is coordinated out of 3 self-sustaining and independent HQs, each with their own command structures so if 2 are destroyed, there's still 1 going.

Everything in the lore is made for SHD to be redundant so it can survive any scenario.

Except we don't currently know if any of those HQs are still around or if they've all been wiped out.

[marsh gulch]

So you are saying that Faye was just field commander?

[round sinew]

Yes. Faye was in charge of NYC after the 1st Wave got wiped and the 2nd Wave commander died.

[gaunt ice]

there's no such thing as wipieng a shd hq,considering how all these guys are the 21st century version of spartans

[round sinew]

Looking at the bunker in DC where Outcasts supposedly wiped out an entire safe House of a couple dozen agents, I beg to differ.

[gaunt ice]

they were sent there to repair a shd node,and died in the process

[round sinew]

And the HQs aren't comprised of the field agents. The HQs house the administrative and R&D departments.

[gaunt ice]

plus,theres a giant guy with a fucking hammer and flamethrowers there

and suicide bombers

its like vietnam 1963,but worst

[sleek plover]

Outcasts are gonna die out post lau anywaya

their leaders got wiped out, their numbers are dwindling becauae green flu

true sons can either go raider or join btsu rank and file

[round sinew]

giant guy with a hammer kills 20 agents but 1-4 agents canonically kill every single Outcast there.

Mmmm. K.

[sleek plover]

hyenas and rikers are already going raiders

[gaunt ice]

idk,their numbers were scattered more when we got there

[round sinew]

It still doesn't add up unless the entire safe House was caught asleep in their underwear.

[gaunt ice]

just imagine 10 hulks,suicide bombers and flame lads all rushing you at once

[gaunt ice]

well they go to the safehouse,not stay there before

they probably pulled out when the network goes dark

[round sinew]

Also I don't get why DC has an ISAC node that apparently shuts down ISAC functionality across the country if tampered with. Why do the HQs not have redundant servers for ISAC?

[sleek plover]

cleaners probably still exist, but they would become a rare sight like hoarders

@round sinew i think they never expected dc would be compromised because well its a capital city

[round sinew]

That still doesn't add up.

Why put ISAC in a separate facility than the 3 SHD HQs? And why make ISAC not redundant?

[sleek plover]

well, cut off one head...

[round sinew]

The only reason is plot magic.

Because there's no logical reason.

[marsh gulch]

@round sinew has spoken

[sleek plover]

damn i hate LMB

[gaunt ice]

well a network needs a host servr

[gaunt ice]

yeah we know,its even more obvious than the fact that riven hates me

[round sinew]

ISAC should've been made to function like SHD is made: Redundancies so that even if a majority of the organization/system is destroyed, it still operates fine.

[gaunt ice]

but its called "SHD Network"

[round sinew]

Instead the primary system all SHD agents rely on is the most vulnerable weakspot SHD agents have.

Vulnerable to the point that even when it isn't brought offline due to one node being compromised, it can be easily hacked to make a parasite network for the Rogues.

A network which Black Tusk is likely making use of.

Because either Black Tusk has compromised specific SHD equipment for their use, or they've been given access to ANNA.

Either is a major concern

[gaunt ice]

i have a theory for that

but i guess you wont be interested in hearing me mumble for the next 20 minutes so yeah,you win

[round sinew]

Go ahead and theorize.

That's what this channel is for. Making theories based on the lore we get.

[gaunt ice]

another time,work calls

sry

[round sinew]

Test Subject and Harmony is a disgusting combo

[round sinew]

I like that you can't name a loadout after the new gear set because Rigger is profanity according to Division 2.

If Rigger is profanity, why did you release the Rigger set, Massive?

[vapid orchid]

damn, did not expect viper to be ||Douglas's daughter||

[spiral turtle]

Cause they can

[round sinew]

Not really a spoiler. It's literally in the briefing.

But yeah, it's a cool detail. Too bad there's not much we can do with that info.

[median garden]

Well, I never did season 3. Definitely gonna go season 4, just for Lou

[round sinew]

Oof.

[gaunt ice]

Ah yeah and about this

Uhh my theory is

That this entire thing was a set up,TD is rigged from the start

[gaunt ice]

Uhhhhh cool?

[cosmic niche]

@gaunt ice agreed. Its clear from the facts revealed thus far that keener planned the green poison attack before the first wave was even activated.

[gaunt ice]

Uhhh no,he only started his plans after being abandoned in dz by jtf

[gaunt ice]

What I mean by “rigged” is that by and the gov are corrupted from the inside,so they have to sabotage the old government and become the new rulers of America

Kinda like the Illuminati conspiracy

[gaunt ice]

And the only thing standing between that is a bunch of orange wristwatch Spartans

[gentle eagle]

How does one get classified as rouge. Because in some collectibles Faye is hitting another agent and the other agent is warning about that she’ll go rouge

[cold bramble]

isaac classifying you as off-mission

theo is going to get brought up again when it comes to explaining her "reasonings" 100%

Isaac can be and is wrong etc.

it is true tbh, you can do absolutely the most innocent thing like valuing your life/your teams life and get marked as rogue

it's what happened to keeners black ops guy javier :x

[toxic furnace]

BRO viper is the shooting range guys daughter

RIP

[waxen arrow]

Charles just walks up to the agent and shoots him after the bounty mission

[mint citrus]

I feel bad for Viper ngl

[round sinew]

I don't

She's at peace with her decisions.

She knows the risk, and so do I.

[spare arrow]

a full commitments what i'm thinkin of

[round sinew]

She wouldn't get this from any other guy.

But no, some dialogue from Charles would be cool. But I think at this point it's just a reference to tie Viper into the bigger theme.

Sort of like with Kestrel.

[gaunt ice]

Nice try,but you can’t rickroll me

[lethal cedar]

you know, come to think about it, Capt. Fieser's boss fight kind of reminded me of The Fury's fight from MGS3, minus the hiding, the tearing ,and added in a lot of other things...curious, if we could in theory shoot him enough to rip the fire proof suit we could make him burn himself, slowly during his gas attack, or making his death animation like his wipe ,but he blasted himself to a crisp instead when the suit fails...

"I'll torch this whole place !" "What ?! My suit ripped ?!" "No, this is not fair, this is not fair"

[gaunt ice]

Who’s Capt.Fieser?

[low mural]

Iron horse boss 2

[lethal cedar]

the 2nd Iron Horse boss, the literal, and figuratively Fireman

[low mural]

That’s a actually a pretty accurate description lol

[gaunt ice]

Just watched him on YouTube and he makes a really good first 3 second impression

A fire tank?theres noting cooler than that

[lethal cedar]

well there's that Fire truck...

[gaunt ice]

“100 RPM motherfucker”

Laughs in 1200 RPM

[lethal cedar]

to be honest, i would think that if the heavy foam tank was replaced by the regular, it would make the final boss too easy

all you have to do is blow up the ammo and he will be fully exposed, the heavy foam only foams him with the armor intact,not too sure why though...making you sitting ducks for the miniguns and mortars perhaps..

actually after playing the summit ,and seeing the different factions' tank having a go at each other, i've got to say, ppl were afraid of the Unchained's chainsaw man, the white tusk heavy killed 2 Chainsaw in a flash...

[gaunt ice]

What do you expect?handmade armor made from scraps vs a fucking minigun that fires 1200 RPM

That doesn’t run out of ammo

Who would win

Someone who tries to sucker punch you

Someone who’s fake surrender with a pistol on their hand

[floral gull]

All who oppose the unbridled might of the Division dies!

ISAC: I’m sorry I can’t do that Agent.

[gaunt ice]

what reference is this?

nvm found that

HAL 9000?

[floral gull]

https://youtu.be/97b6FfQbibM

[gaunt ice]

Nice

It will blow my mind if ISAC becomes sentient and becomes the final boss of the game

Or part of a raid

[floral gull]

ISAC going rogue? What irony

[gaunt ice]

And then we’ll have to use ANNA

Sounds like a great Raid idea

Division HQ

[floral gull]

Raid The White House

Whoever kept pushing me out of my character menu near the stash gets a full clip

[gaunt ice]

“Rouge Detected”

[floral gull]

Final boss would be Manny Ortega and he’ll keep pestering you to go to Kenley College throughout the fight

“I’ve told you a thousand times to report to Torres, but you never listened! Now you will pay with your life!”

[gaunt ice]

Technically The White House is not the Division HQ

[gaunt ice]

Nah last boss would be Kelp

[floral gull]

Yeah isn’t there 3 HQ throughout the country to maintain continuity?

[gaunt ice]

Yeah I think so

[round sinew]

I'm still shook the new gear set is Rigger and Rigger is a banned word in the chat function.

Like what the fuck Ubisoft?

Is this a sting operation by the devs?

[round sinew]

Yes. I've gone over this a thousand times in this chat and I have no problem dumping the background lore on you.

I should make a pamphlet at this point and just post it so we can all be up to speed lol

[floral gull]

dump away, dump it in my mouth

[round sinew]

👀 I didn't expect you to call my bluff

So. In peacetime, SHD works out of three bunker headquarters in Kansas, South Dakota and Texas. Each one is fully self-sufficient and made to be able to run if the other 2 get nuked. They do this by each bunker having their own board of directors who elect a manager for them. These bunkers run the administrative and management sections of SHD.

Out of these three bunkers, SHD is divided into three functional departments.

First department is the R&D department that makes all the cool toys. They use shell corporations to move around their money and personnel to avoid oversight.

Second department is the administrative and logistics arm. This is where HR, payroll, management, admin, etc. come into play in peacetime. And when Directive 51 is active, its where the intelligence analysts and logistics specialists operate out of. (I can assume DZ Vendors might be working out of this department)

Third department is the operations department. Which itself is broken into the recruitment staff, the field agents(that's us and almost every SHD agent you meet in the game), and another set of agents that act as staff and security for important national leadership.

There's one passage somewhere that states when a Division agent is activated, they outrank every military or government official excluding the President and entire federal agencies. This is a dumbshit statement, here's why.

• It's dumb.
• What does "an entire federal agency" mean? If a SHD agent outranks the director of the FBI, then does he need every member of the FBI to tell him what to do?
• Does this only apply to non-SHD government/military personnel? Or does this mean an active field agent outranks the management at the SHD bunkers? If so, what's the point of commanders if their agents can just do what they want because they "outrank" them?

Tbh, it's the vagueness like that which I would like to see addressed, because it could play really well into why Rogues are such a problem, because they were specifically recruiting people who would mesh well with this thinking, but this thinking can be dangerous if taken to the extreme, which almost all the Rogues do.

Oh right, Division Commanders are like field commanders who organize and direct groups of agents on the ground. In the games, we see one get blown up and Faye Lau takes his job.

You also have Manny Ortega, who's the Division Coordinator, but he seems to do the same thing Faye Lau does? So, are coordinators and commanders the same thing? Are they made up titles? Is it because Manny Ortega isn't actually part of SHD and is really more like a liaison between SHD and the rest of the JTF?

Does it matter because Massive will never explain it because why would they?

This is an excerpt of a rant I made in August. It should cover most of your questions.

[floral gull]

was all of this info known from the books that were released?

[round sinew]

I've picked it up from various sources.

Games, books, comics, the movies, lore excerpts, etc.

Whether Ubisoft sticks to any of it since it isn't like, 100% confirmed? That's up to them.

[floral gull]

Ill look into it, the books

[round sinew]

Broken Dawn is pretty good.

This comics... They upset me.

New York Collapse is a cool companion for the 1st game.

[floral gull]

Ill read them while listening to the soundtrack

[round sinew]

Lmao. The comics just upset me because they introduce these agents that go to DC... And then never get mentioned.

Broken Dawn sets up a lot of important information too, that's Then never mentioned again in D2 or WONY

At least Assassin's Creed's multimedia references each other often.

[floral gull]

The lazy world of Tom Clancy's The Division™️

[round sinew]

Eh. I wouldn't call it inconsistent.

Unless Advent comes in here to slap me for being a complainer, I'd say that Massive is very good at setting up story hooks and ideas, and then has a habit of forgetting them or just not following through on them.

They're consistent, nothing ever really contradicts other lore. They just set lore up, and then don't do anything with it, and then add more lore that feels hollow because it could've connected with the old lore better

[floral gull]

a disjointed universe isn't good for world building after all

[round sinew]

That's fair.

Otoh, it'a basically an MMO. And I've never found MMO's to be ideal platforms for lore and storytelling.

They have good worldbuilding, but they consistently miss those beats that could uplift it from good to amazing.

They miss that.... Tying it all together aspect that really draws a viewer in to a good story. That connectivity aspect.

[floral gull]

I wouldn't want to get into the specifics to worry about any of it either. They are going to fart it out as it goes

[round sinew]

That's fair. It's better to just not dig too deep, else you end up like me.

Bitter and annoyed because worldbuilding is my bread and butter and I see the stitches holding it together and they're bad stitches and I know they could be better.

[floral gull]

big kek

[trail wind]

I completely disagree. But to each their own.

[round sinew]

No that's fair.

[gaunt ice]

When the player is actually better at storybuilding than actual writers

[lilac mason]

@round sinew man i would really love to discuss lore with you even though i havnt read the books and watched the animes yet. Theyre p interesting indeed

[round sinew]

You're more than welcome, but it'll contain spoilers if we do.

Heh. This is the channel for it.

[lilac mason]

Lmaooo

And i saw you mentioning manny doing similar job as lau, have you gotten answers for that one yet?

[short spindle]

Manny afaik was the highest ranked JTF in the white house

that makes him the coordinator with SHD agents

[lilac mason]

Yeah that is true, he is in that position simply because there is no one else left

[short spindle]

Faye Lau had directive to be just a shd leader until the commander got blown off

and agents work in group too, like a cell, they have their own objectives

[lilac mason]

I remember reading that the white house is manned by a skeleton crew, and manny mentioned that kelso was "one of the last" agents left in DC

[short spindle]

kelso was the one of oldest active agent in dc

not "last"

[lilac mason]

Manny mentioned almost at the beginning as he sent us off tho

[short spindle]

sawyers included, but she is retired

[lilac mason]

If i heard correctly, manny mentioned her being one of the last operating agents in the city

[short spindle]

idk about "last" imagine that in a city without isac and communications

misinformation or no available data

[lilac mason]

We see 5 active DC agents in total, out of that only 2 survived

Not countingplayers

[short spindle]

afaik Manny didnt even know Federal Bunker had division agents

until it got overran by outcasts

division agents arent just field operatives

[lilac mason]

Huh, as far as i know he never mentioned the dead agents in there apart from the squad that got killed, presumably Maya's escorts

I know they arent just field ops, but still

[short spindle]

he mentioned those are people of shd idk could be not the field agents

[lilac mason]

Huh, looks like i must run the story mode again then

[short spindle]

yeah ill replay it again

lol

[lilac mason]

Lmao they cut a lot of things off for replaying

[short spindle]

Outcasts in general seem to justify their actions in terms of what happened to them on Roosevelt Island and see everyone else as responsible for the suffering there. Maya was just targeted in particular I think because she was the last one alive in the bunker before we show up. As for the agents, they probably didn't optimize their loadouts.

lol at the reddit

there was a group of agents there

but we dont have back story for it

[lilac mason]

Ya anything couldve happened

From subpar loadouts to surprise outcast jihadist

[short spindle]

lol imagine an elite outcast rusher

[lilac mason]

Still though, i wish we couldve seen more npcs in white house or haven bearing division watch

[short spindle]

true

like the one in division 1, Noble squad

[lilac mason]

Afaik div1 dark zone vendors are also division agents?

[short spindle]

even though you cant play and interact with them, we knew them over echo

theyre more like ex-jtf

or just people with connection

[lilac mason]

Huh, i recall seeing the phoenix patch on their arms lol, but that story was in the past now

[short spindle]

hhmm thats interesting

[lilac mason]

Back to my previous message, i think the fact we dont see any "agents" in BoO in div2 is the game playing to that feeling that we really are one of a few agents left

[short spindle]

actually you may be right

they might be an agents too

i think developers intended to take out agent npcs from BOO because we have a public hub where players can gather

[lilac mason]

Yeah true, the hub is right there in the front instead of down the back like in the first game

[short spindle]

if this is a single player game without live service, they might added them

and safehouse feels full with players in it

[lilac mason]

Yeah, maybe its just barren australian server thing making the places look more empty than they should

But still, i get that theyre going for the fact that we the players are the agents, just that a few actual npcs walking around would help, for flavour if not for function

I know i for one wouldve added a random chance of a squad showing up by the quartermaster or something just checking their gears

[short spindle]

lol

live service might not be the best platform to experience the lore of a game

[lilac mason]

Yeah thats true

[short spindle]

its always single player campaign or whatever it is

i forgot the genre

[lilac mason]

A story driven single player game would do this franchise so good

[short spindle]

maybe a stand alone single player campaign

[lilac mason]

Yeah, one can hope

[short spindle]

😆

[lilac mason]

I would like at least a part where we randomly help fellow agents on the street, and vice versa

My mmo experience was Defiance, and the feeling of coming across randos tackling random events or missions never really left me dry

The feeling that there are people out there doing stuff

[cold bramble]

the great thing about live services like division is the ability to use multimedia to tell a story but it runs dry when the meat and potatos of the story doesn't link to anything outside of it

horrible writers tbh

even wow can do that good enough pepelaugh

[round sinew]

My personal theory is Federal Bunker was an inside job.

There aren't supposed to be R&D or Admin SHD staff outside of the three headquarters.

Other than the DZ vendors, at least.

So, I think it's a relatively safe assumption that Federal Bunker was a safe house for field agents that got bowled over.

I have no evidence, but I personally refuse to believe a group of sick jihadis exterminated a couple dozen agents, especially when those same jihadis get cleared out by a team of 1-4 agents.

[cyan path]

don't forget the agent hanged for display

[round sinew]

The only reason that sticks out is we've seen agents executed and put on display before, but it's not by Outcasts.

Rikers would do it to cops in NYC, but the only group that we know seems to like doing it to SHD agents are Hunters.

[cyan path]

Hunters must've brute forced into the bunker or fooled their way in since they carry the watches of dead agents

[round sinew]

That, or Rogues helped out.

[cyan path]

Hunters don't get along with rogue agents

at least not until recently

[round sinew]

No, but Rogues get along with Outcasts.

We haven't really seen Hunters getting along with anyone except Black Tusk.

[cold bramble]

plot armor super hero status doesn't exist outside of us, so they'd go down ez if they were surprised

[round sinew]

Federal Bunker is one of those things I was alluding to earlier today. Ubisoft hands us a lot of nuggets, but never the whole meal.

[cold bramble]

just like the initial BT cutscenes showed agents going down fairly ez

[round sinew]

It could've been a set up for a really interesting story, instead it'll never be anything beyond "Outcast assault, agents died, rescue survivor."

[cyan path]

only to then cut to us wiping the floor with them and force them out of their own base

[round sinew]

Yep, which only took 1-4 agents, canonically.

Depending on how generous you feel.

[cyan path]

in my game's cannon

[fast geyser]

is the castle just gone after the one mission

[cold bramble]

its gone

[fast geyser]

lmao

[cyan path]

my agent went sicko mode inside the base

[cold bramble]

listen to the story

[round sinew]

It exists in the books and comics, but by the time of Division 2, the True Sons have exterminated Castle.

[cyan path]

Would've been a neat little safehouse tho

[round sinew]

iirc, it's the book that shows the beginning of the attack that ended up destroying Castle.

And April was there and saved a child.

[cyan path]

too bad Ubi went like:
"we need to make the True Sons evil, what do we do?"
'Biological attack!"
"Nice!"

[round sinew]

Yeah, it escalated pretty quickly. I think the book made it more believable.

[mint citrus]

How did it go down in the book?

[round sinew]

In the book, the True Sons try to get Castle to join them, and Castle keeps refusing and resisting to the point True Sons just try to invade it. The book ends with the assault taking place on Castle, and I guess the assault didn't work at all so they just turned it into a toxic waste dump.

[cyan path]

tbh, if in any future Division game we play as April, as a spinoff

I would be cool with it, she's one of the best characters

[round sinew]

I would've liked to see any of the agents we get in the lore to actually show up in the games.

Instead we get dead agent outfits.

[cold bramble]

i don't think they'd allow us to play as someone with a background

[mint citrus]

The manhunt actually makes Faye MORE likable

How the heck

[cyan path]

they can, if they make a spinoff title focusing on April

or like a DLC

[lilac mason]

They couldve given us the trio in the forms of npcs or comms

[gaunt ice]

Is there a anime?

Tank:Your smg is about as strong as a mosquito!
Me with riot foam and HF:Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru

[lilac mason]

maybe

[gaunt ice]

and shooting a special sniper bullet looks like a Serious Punch

[lilac mason]

division anime with cute agents waifu gunning mobs down when

[gaunt ice]

nah buff ass guy shooting people until they turn to Spongebob Squarepants

and less waifu as possible

[lilac mason]

NAY

We need highschool aged girls in short skirts that NEVER reveal their panties

[gaunt ice]

too generic

highschool?sick of those

i wanna see my agent dude beat the shit of out keener

with bare hands

in a n i m e s t y l e

[lilac mason]

Agent Kenshiro

[gaunt ice]

R63 Kelso

[gaunt ice]

but you got it

[lilac mason]

That actually fits lmao

[gaunt ice]

how did the true sons make a massive train with miniguns,mortars and a autocannon on it,in the span of 2 months?

[cold bramble]

being funded by black tusk

pretty much everyone we encountered was funded by them

[round sinew]

Even we were funded by them

[gaunt ice]

wait what?

@round sinew ?

[sleek plover]

Hi guys

[gaunt ice]

hi DoL

[lethal cedar]

well for the Iron Horse, intel says the mortars are mostly WW2 german museum pieces or something while the main gun could be made in the foundry , as for the "air strike" those looks like stolen BT launcher... as for the giant minigun in the center of the boss fight, maybe another A-10 ? i mean there's literally a mountain of ammo drums at the back,

minigun is quite common, so they could have just bolted them onto the train with their engineer's AI coding for their turrets

[lilac mason]

the stuff around it like death sceen quote said that some of the true sons didnt even know where that one came from

[gaunt ice]

what ideas do you have for 3rd raid?

like:concept,story,rewards...

say if they'll make one

[lethal cedar]

maybe some outcast got their hands on a dirty nuke, with one boss being a named rushed called the Nova or something... or, finally killing the 2 hyena leader Zodic and Mayhem ?

A virus breeding ground / Spice production factory as the setting

[gaunt ice]

where can it take place thou?

[lethal cedar]

some big hospital , can be repurposed both ways

[gaunt ice]

lets be honest,raiding a spice farm sounds like super ez unless they do it the vietcong style

which is like,opposite to how the hyenas are portraited:annoying,lousy ex-Tiktokers

[gaunt ice]

but that one is cool

[lethal cedar]

Maybe a reverse Summit, go from the roof to basement,with the Hyenas finally using their "Guns with Buttons" that the BT give them

[gaunt ice]

can make it horror-themed,like

[gaunt ice]

lol guns with buttons is a minigun

the final boss is just a minigun?lol

[lethal cedar]

or maybe even some other agents requesting assistance , Falcon Lost style, arrived and see it is an Unchained style raid, with all the dead silent guys ,and chainsaws

[gaunt ice]

Texas Chainsaw Massacre

nice

[lethal cedar]

that would actually give us some lore about those guys

who are they , why are they so quiet, what's the deal with chains ?

[gaunt ice]

wait,so its hyenas or outcast?

[lethal cedar]

hyena - killing Mayhem and Zodiac , outcast - maybe some virus bomb or something, Unchained - spooky ass quiet dark underground

[gaunt ice]

whos unchained?isnt that just a outcast boss?

[lethal cedar]

i mean the entire faction, the guys from underground, all quiet and stuff

their tank has a chainsaw

[gaunt ice]

ok thats freaky

maybe they were the rest of the rioters

[lethal cedar]

went crazy from isolation i guess...

[gaunt ice]

i have another idea

you know how division relies too much on isac?

think this:Division HQ

where the main server is

isac glitches and attacks everyone

[lethal cedar]

marks everyone as rogue ? or like the keener style, shooting drones and hives and rollers everywhere ?

[gaunt ice]

MORE than that

flooding the entire building with shd techs

[lethal cedar]

basically The Tomb on steroid ?

[gaunt ice]

and your watch just goes off

like literally stops shining

[lethal cedar]

ALER~R~r~RT : Agent statu~u~us - Deactiv~vated

[gaunt ice]

and he pulls out this line

you tryin' to use your tech and this happens

[lethal cedar]

Manny : piece of shit wristwatch, reactive the agents ! Now!" "ISAC : I'm sorry I can't do that"

[gaunt ice]

my bet that we'll lose comms too

no voice chats beyond 15m

[lethal cedar]

mini DZ then ?

[gaunt ice]

almost

[lethal cedar]

but what about the enemy ? just drones and rollers won't be that interesting, and ISAC can't commander Marauder and stuff

Maybe that's when we can finally use ANNA ?

[gaunt ice]

more to it:it starts as a op to defend the HQ from BTSU forces

but then something goes wrong halfway

everyone becomes a target

[lethal cedar]

basically a reverse liberty island where Keener hacked the warhounds and Marauder

[gaunt ice]

isac starts attacking agents,bt operative,everyone...

and you cant even use weapon talents,cuz its linked to the watch

gearsets,skills,all disabled

maybe even prototype robots

terminator alike shit

[lethal cedar]

like the ones in DARPA ?

[gaunt ice]

yeah,but creepier

and at the end,you and your group have to take out a unmanned attack helo or a super buffed marauder

[lethal cedar]

maybe a bit like the TD1's United Nation level, use LMB's own guns on the chopper, we can take the BT or SHD's turret on it

[gaunt ice]

yeah,close to that

at the same time fixing isac server

by hand

[lethal cedar]

like Clear sky ? one guy carrying power box and taking fire from the 2 mgs, while the other 2 "tries" to cover him ?

[gaunt ice]

yeah,that one but better in terms of epicness and execution

lol its impossible to do incursion solo

[sleek plover]

btw

vipers wearing a petrov mask

according to her manhunt target portrait

[cyan path]

good taste

chunky Petrov best looking brand set

[sleek plover]

and I seen 2 other guys in manhunt also wearijg a petrov mask

[cyan path]

mainly because their chestpieces look like they can actually take bullets

[sleek plover]

and sokolova is suggested to be connected with sokolov concern

and those traitors turned btsu is wearing a petrov mask

so I guess - ovs are evil?

oh also the infiltrator mask looks really simillar to sokilov concern's

and... please please please have at least one lieutenants exlmb, this seems to be the end of div 2 content and me getting no explicit exlmb kills means I wasted my money buying this gane.

[gaunt ice]

if it comforts you,bt rushers are actually ex-lmb

[cyan path]

and also the support station guys

[sleek plover]

And those guys dont even have special. dialogue hinting it.

[gaunt ice]

why would they yell out 'oh im ex lmb'?

its on their combat intel

[round sinew]

During a firefight they just say "Hey, did you know I was former LMB and Black Tusk hired me after my company fell apart? You should join! They might seem rough but they give me hot food and a place to sleep and I get to support my kids. Being a single dad is tough, yknow, what with my wife getting Green Poison and all. Oh what's that? Is that one of those seeker mines I've heard you guys have? Man, I think those are so cool! I'd really like to-" boom

[gaunt ice]

-1% of his armor

[lethal cedar]

i mean ,they "could" be shouting something like "This is for Bliss !"

[lilac mason]

That could work actually

[round sinew]

God Damn Peggies

[gaunt ice]

That kinda makes you think twice before shooting everything at sight

[paper root]

no

just shoot them big brain

[ashen jungle]

"sure we commit warcrimes on a daily basis, but hot food!"

[gaunt ice]

its life

you do what you need to survive

[ashen jungle]

There's a difference between stealing to survive and executing innocent people in the street.

[gaunt ice]

well part of doing your work is to follow orders the superior gives you

doesnt justify murdering civillies,but the boss is usually the evil ones rather than the employees

i once heard a riker talking about how he has a daughter,and how much he misses her

at the end of the day,they're still humans

or bullet sponge

[ashen jungle]

"just following orders" is a really bad argument to make, you may want to rethink that one.

[hasty laurel]

Rikers are pretty chad

[ashen jungle]

TiL it's chad to torture to death random people off the street.

Lexington, Div1.

[hasty laurel]

Tbh it’s not like they’re the worst ones

If you wanna get mad about one hostile faction, get mad at the outcasts

[ashen jungle]

All hostile factions are bad, there's no worst.

all I'm saying is that there's no justification for doing evil things unless someone literally has a gun to your head, and even then there's 1 option.

[hasty laurel]

Nah outcasts are definitely the worst

[ashen jungle]

Cleaners literally turned off the water main in NYC to stop people putting out their fires, that means anyone who wasn't collecting their own would die within a week.

Rikers had torture games set up, they literally had someone on a wheel and threw knives at them.

True Sons used biological warfare to wipe out an entire settlement.

etc. No faction is "worst"

[hasty laurel]

Plus fuck Emeline Shaw, all my homies HATE Emeline Shaw

Rikers are the best purely cause I like dragov

[ashen jungle]

honestly? I still hate Barret more, but that's mostly due to the farming.

[hasty laurel]

Who’s Barrett again?

[ashen jungle]

Rikers head in div1

[hasty laurel]

Oh gotcha

Yeah dragov was definitely an upgrade

[ashen jungle]

her Exotic had a low drop rate, would only ever drop from her, I ran Lexington over 50 times to get it.

[hasty laurel]

He’s actually pretty chill from the voice comms I heard around the map

Oof ngl chief, i never played division 1, just followed the lore

So you’ll lost me with that stuff lol

[ashen jungle]

It's a lot darker than div2, early days of the outbreak so you get a sense of society in the progress of collapsing.

[gaunt ice]

real lofi level chill

[ashen jungle]

theres actually civvies on the street in dvi1

[hasty laurel]

Yeah man the level design was a lot darker, like the metros being massive morgues

[gaunt ice]

but doesnt justify him bullying us with blitz shield

[hasty laurel]

And yeah dragov is probably my favorite antagonist besides bardon

[ashen jungle]

Underground's Hunters still scare the p*ss outta me

[hasty laurel]

Man I really wish we get some sort of survival type dlc for div 2

[ashen jungle]

imagine: getting 1 shot through max armour and health no matter what.

[hasty laurel]

I wanna be scared shitless of hunters again, they’re such a cool enemy

[ashen jungle]

Hunters are too common now, it's a shame.

they shouldve ended their involvment in div2 with the Chests.

[round sinew]

Re: Just following orders.

Reminder that in this world, going against orders means death. So either you do it, or they kill you and find someone who will.

[gaunt ice]

why is their mic or voice sounds like a 9 year old?

[ashen jungle]

that was exactly the argument that the Nazi's used at Nuremburg.

[gaunt ice]

'hey you there?'

'hmmmhmhmhmhn'

[round sinew]

It's a good argument tbh

I'd rather me and my family be alive than dead.

[ashen jungle]

"the banality of evil", look it up sometime.
Anyway, godwins law achieved. Lets move on.

[hasty laurel]

Too much nerd shit, I hope the hunters get some more explanation this manhunt

[gaunt ice]

i want to fight the hunter faction in the next raid

[round sinew]

Hell, even the good guys execute people for not following orders in Division

[ashen jungle]

Godwins Law: "any discussion online will eventually lead to mentioning the nazi party or hitler"

[hasty laurel]

Imagine a raid on their home base

[ashen jungle]

I honestly hate that the Hunters are a full faction now.

[round sinew]

They aren't

[hasty laurel]

I mean it’s really the only explanation that would fit

I’d find it weird that one cracked out man could pull all of that

[ashen jungle]

They work for people, they exist outside of the Hunts, they even took the top floor of Summit and held it. It's just common now, they're just common now.

[gaunt ice]

well they cant hide forever

we still dont know what are they?

[ashen jungle]

I swear, if they're aliens im f**king done.

[hasty laurel]

I’d like the think that they’re moving into the next phase of their plan

[round sinew]

A little extra worldbuilding never hurt anyone except the writing team

[hasty laurel]

After New York went nowhere

[gaunt ice]

no bloody way

[ashen jungle]

It's been suggested enough on here that I'm not sure anymore.

[hasty laurel]

I really don’t think they’d take it in that direction

I think they’re either Russians

[round sinew]

I don't think so, but it's not impossible.

[ashen jungle]

I don't want sci-fi in Div2, they already ruined Wildlands with that.

[gaunt ice]

dont pull out that CoD card

[round sinew]

Ah yes.

[hasty laurel]

Or some sort of partner of BTSU

[ashen jungle]

oh god not more Russian-phobia

[round sinew]

No sci-fi in the game with SHD tech

[ashen jungle]

they're people guys, not a video-game enemy

[hasty laurel]

I mean thereve been Russians in Division

Bruh lmao not everything is a phobia

[round sinew]

Ah yes, no russo-phobia in a Tom Clancy game.

[hasty laurel]

It’s just tracing what we know

[gaunt ice]

remember Tachanka?

[ashen jungle]

Tom Clancy is dead, lets get away from his jingoism.

[hasty laurel]

We’ve seen that the Russians have no fear of doing operations on American soil

Shown by their involvement with retrieving Chernenko

[round sinew]

Remember every book, movie and game with that name on it?

[ashen jungle]

You do realise that the history of the US is filled with them taking down democratically elected governments right?

it's literally so common its a trope now

[hasty laurel]

Bruh it’s a fuckin video game, no need to bring real life polotics into it

[round sinew]

^

[hasty laurel]

Im just having fun speculating one of my favorite enemies in the game

[ashen jungle]

It's the same thing about people just assuming Hunters are Russian.

its real life politics bleeding into Div2

[gaunt ice]

capitalism and communism has always been 2 ends,so its no use arguing who is the lesser evil here

[round sinew]

Russia is a good theory, too.

[hasty laurel]

No it’s not lmao

[ashen jungle]

how is it not?

[round sinew]

Sokolov Concern exists

[hasty laurel]

It would make sense for them to have anti SHD tech if the Russians had prior knowledge of the SHD

[gaunt ice]

well the lady might be Russian,but doesnt mean she works for the russia gov?

[round sinew]

A Russian company funding BT, who are working with Hunters.

[hasty laurel]

The Russians have already been introduced into the story

Sokolov is a character who apperently is calling the shots above bardon

[round sinew]

No the govt, but still a Russian company.

[hasty laurel]

They’ve ran ops on American soil to retrieve Russian assets

[ashen jungle]

ingame?

[hasty laurel]

This is all in game

[ashen jungle]

yeah when?

i have literally no memory of russians running ops in div1 or 2

[hasty laurel]

When they got Chernenko back aswell as the whole thing with the Russian consulate

[ashen jungle]

Wasnt that BT?

[round sinew]

"Russia bad" is the franchise's bread and better, so it's not like I'd be surprised if it turns out they're SVR or Raven's Rock wannabes.

[ashen jungle]

I've had enough of this crap with CoD. I really, really hope they don't fall back on the same old tired cold war paranoia.

[hasty laurel]

Tbh it’s kinda more offensive to think that any time Russians are bad guys in video games then it means that it’s immediately calling all Russians bad

[round sinew]

Bro this franchise is older than Call of Duty. If anything, CoD copied this

[ashen jungle]

It's implying nasty things. It's like how most games these days avoid using nationalities anymore and just go for PMC's

[gaunt ice]

yeah,15 cods and all of them are either russian,or mad americans

[round sinew]

I accept that

"PMC bad" is 2nd to "Russia bad"

[ashen jungle]

Remember when CoD got so racist that they pretended all of South America invaded all of NA.

[hasty laurel]

Again I don’t know why you’re trying to force polotics into this

[round sinew]

^

[gaunt ice]

the only cod that has a villain that isnt russia or america-based is bo2 and bo3

[hasty laurel]

It’s just asking for arguments and disagreements

[gaunt ice]

and that one

[ashen jungle]

Assuming that making Russia the villain because "it fits" is part of the problem

[hasty laurel]

It isn’t

[ashen jungle]

yes it absolutely is

[round sinew]

And CoD WW2, and every WW2-based CoD

Can we get back on-topic here?

[hasty laurel]

It’s a stupid looter shooter and trying to virtue signal and talk down to people because there’s a theory that the hunters may be Russian is just stupid and annoying

[round sinew]

Who said WW2 is racist?

[gaunt ice]

yeah,cut political and racial shit sounds great

[gaunt ice]

my bad

[hasty laurel]

Cause I’m tired of hearing about polotics

[round sinew]

Where the fuck is Advent when you need him? He's always here when I complain about the writing team at Massive.

[hasty laurel]

Lol he not a big fan of Massive?

[ashen jungle]

i genuinely am stunned by y'alls ability to flip-flop on this

im out

[round sinew]

I'm not flip-flopping. I'm just annoyed you're pulling this tantrum.

[hasty laurel]

I’ve stayed very clear on my stance that forcing real world polotics into games is stupid

[round sinew]

in the lore channel. Where we theorize.

[limpid jewel]

This is game spoilers ...

[hasty laurel]

I just wanna talk about funny haha ballistics mask man

Well it could be spoilers if we’re right @limpid jewel

[gaunt ice]

yeah,is there any ways to fit summit into canon?

[limpid jewel]

Not if it’s not game related

[gaunt ice]

new topic here lads

[round sinew]

Sure. About as much as Underground

As in, maybe, why not?

Survival is also in that "fuck around and find out" status

[hasty laurel]

I’d like to think the summits just a fun little side mission to reclaim an important landmark or smn

[ashen jungle]

Survival is still the dumbest set-up in either of the games, change my mind.

[hasty laurel]

Calm down there steven crowder

[ashen jungle]

I mean really, we went into hostile territory with no armour, 1 useless gun and minimal supplies.

[gaunt ice]

the equipment's are mostly broken on the crash there

[ashen jungle]

We literally put on a hazmat suit before we leave tho

[hasty laurel]

Yeah wasn’t it not even meant to be an op

[gaunt ice]

yeah,and its torn too

[ashen jungle]

Well technically we're tasked to go in there and retreive something, but that goes to hell.

[hasty laurel]

Anyways, y’all think we’ll get to confront president Ellis soon?

[ashen jungle]

Next DLC at the earliest is my bet

[round sinew]

I liked Survival for it's direction.

[hasty laurel]

Cause it’d be pretty cool to finally get payback

[round sinew]

Might even see him in Faye's mission, but that seems... Unlikely.

Why the fuck is she in Camp White Oak anyways?

[gaunt ice]

idk why but it sounds like a manhunt to me

imagine ellis in some sort of metal gear robot shit

[gaunt ice]

someone tried to set up a meeting,again

she probably learned nothing from Bard's failure

[ashen jungle]

defensible, plus they're running out of easy to modify areas./

[round sinew]

Lmao yes

At this point it's dev limitations

[ashen jungle]

Not sure why they didnt go for a stronghold we already have tbh, Capitol Hill wouldve been great, didnt even touch Hyena's

[round sinew]

Capitol Hill would've felt right

[gaunt ice]

im still waiting for a new location

[round sinew]

This is likely the end of Div 2. Might as well assault the Capitol again.

[gaunt ice]

well then we'll run out of future lores

[round sinew]

Nah. They'll probably make a Div 3. I just do not see another year of content for Div 2.

[gaunt ice]

i still hope div3 to have some super div1 trailer-ish graphics and not fake trailers

[ashen jungle]

Div1 had 3 years, Div2 is doing better than Div1, so I'd bet on at least 3 too.

[gaunt ice]

where do you think we'll be going,assuming there is a dlc 3?

[ashen jungle]

Ellis focused.

its an obvious story right? POTUS gone rogue, gotta hunt him down, etc.

he might even be the plot of Div3

[gaunt ice]

up to this point,we still dont know the nature of black tusk yet

what if they were actually hired by the government?

[ashen jungle]

They're a PMC who clearly want some kind of control, they've got benefactors so those probs are the ones who want control.

This is approaching illuminati tho

[gaunt ice]

i had a discussion a few days back,and one of the dudes thought it would be cool to go to texas

where one of the 3 main shd servers are at

[round sinew]

We're never gonna see the HQs lmao

I theorize Massive knows I exist and has made a personal point of dead-ending lore to cuck me.

[gaunt ice]

well they can be,or maybe we'll be going to langley

[ashen jungle]

Lol, yeah I doubt we're gonna visit a location outside of a majorly well known city.

Virginia, why?

[gaunt ice]

cuz thats probably the last stragetic place i can think of

maybe the tusk are going to pull some data out,nuke codes or rockets

[ashen jungle]

Langley is just 1 location tho, it's not like it's surrounded by a major city.

[gaunt ice]

but it doesnt have to

[round sinew]

Let's do something better, like the NCTC.

[ashen jungle]

NCTC?

[round sinew]

National Counter terrorism center

Big complex

[ashen jungle]

not really big enough for a full sized DLC tho

[round sinew]

The Pentagon was