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Huh
Ohh the dlc. Yeah pretty awesome. I got the pestilence aswell and i love it.
Searched a build on youtube and im following it. Kinda like teemo in league of legends đ
Nice. Seems like you're all caught up fast.
Only thing you missed would've been the first manhunt.
Is that the one where they were named as planets ?
There are no good or bad guys
Just people who sometimes do good things and sometimes do bad things
I pretty much enjoy the game but sadly since there arent many na clans its kinda getting annoying playing solo lol
Yeah I think the division is a separate timeline from the Clancyverse
Well, the Clancyverse itself is in a separate timeline from the rest of Tom Clancy.
Flashback to a time when Ubi worked more closely with Tom Clancy himself to keep the games and books and all media relatively together.
Thatâs dark
You think they'll ever ditch the Tom clancy name
I don't think anyone buys the game because it has his name on it and it seems abit wierd to keep using it
I'm pretty sure trademark lawyers say the name stays.
^
It's become a trademark, a brand/franchise.
Besides, his estate makes bank on it.
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Thank you for such valuable input
Such a useful response
Adds so much to the conversation
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Tom Clancy games are my favorite. I'll definitely look more into it with his name on it đ
So... Another glorified clothing event is the "highly requested feature since Division 1"... How's everyone feeling about that?
I'm, for lack of a better term, a bit disappointed.
Iâve given up on the game. Same shit different season. Div 2 is nothing what D1 was
To be honest, I don't understand the desire for transmog. Not saying I think it's a negative, I just don't get it in a game like this where we have a ton of appearance items already.
Seems like a hide piece feature would have been better than the ability to transmog said pieces. Idk, I guess it's something for some people to tinker with until Skyscraper.
I personally rarely even notice my character's appearance beyond their shoulder and crosshair (which needs a color changing feature on console). But perhaps, that's just me.
I think so
No one's going to convince me that nobody wants to wear Striker's as a cosmetic
Lol they have to grind strikers now
yeah dude
Because nobody keeping it in the stash
Honestly this update gives birth to the greatest meme of all time
Wearing 6P Striker's as a cosmetic.
Now not only can you wear 6P Striker's, you can wear it without affecting your DPS, and it even looks good
I keep Striker's in my backpack...
I have a full 6P set of Striker's in a loadout slot in case I want to be a glass cannon in PVE.
I guess making vanity separate from gear worn is nice. Wouldn't have been my first request to add to the game, but I guess it doesn't affect any balance or anything... also doesn't give me anything new to do other than keep waiting for the end of the Manhunt.
I made a shocking discovery! I was roaming new york in the division 2 dlc and I have subtitles on. I overheard civilian's saying "Black Tusk are paranoid. Who wouldn't be?". How do they know of the Black Tusk's existence? Plus the Black Tusk are extremely secretive being able to have an literal army in the shadows for so long before they invaded D.C
I didn't get a screenshot because It happened too quickly
They probably are warned not to go close to them??
My assumption would be that they are aware of them from their interactions with them in the open world. It seems, at least in my experience, they are most often the ones who are responsible for "hostage rescue" missions.
I mean suicide drones can kill any civilian.
What if the Black Tusk has an ongoing deal with the Haven settlement which is why they were reluctant of the Division's support.
possible but black tusk dont go to ny
They also dealt with them when the civilians lost the missions/strongholds when the BT invaded when your agent moved from level 30 to WT5.
They knew they couldn't hit D.C because that's where the Division is. Plus Keener is in New York so the Black Tusk has some presence. Keener and his rogues attacked the JTF headquarters in New York bringing anarchy. If the SHD returned to stabilize it then the Black Tusk essentially moved tons of problems out of their way, paving a way for an invasion. We see Faye Lau on a boat at the end talking to the BTSU's leader, Brandon, so are those Black Tusk boats. She ordered them to fall back. This means they were either planning an assault or were just there for Keener.
But at the time of the DLC, D.C is either still taken by the BTSU or taken back by SHD.
Umm interesting
Just wanted to bring attention to the fact that in The Ark, there's this infected lady who you give the antivirals too. Even after you do that, she never leaves the area. She just sits there. In that stuffy storage room. Forever.
Side note, that area is a secret safe zone. You can't fire weapons or use skills in there. Also, it's not like she has to be worried about infecting someone else. Since you gave her the antivirals, she's cured.
@static bay As far as I remember she moves to the Theater and takes care of infected people there, ground floor i think. Though never went back to check if she is also still in the Ark as well đ¤
I did, and she still is.
I just watched through NGN's videos about the first-wave agents that escaped from the dark zone whose badges and watches were found around NYC. Wouldn't it have been perfect if any of them turned up in the manhunt, being part of Keener's crew?
Omg that would be great. Or... If your adgent from the first division ended up being in the manhunt
Id love to play as a first wave agent in another game
Like Mario kart đ
Gimme faye lau in super smash bros
super smashin
Alright, just finished Titan and Hornet. Hornet got some pretty interesting audio logs.
Apparently, Hornet was being contacted by Bardon Schaeffer and trying to recruit the rogue agent to Black Tusk. Hornet refused. There's also another audio log between him and and unknown leader of another rogue cell regarding delivery arrangements for the Eclipse
Also, I noticed there's a section in the database menu showing off prototype blueprints of SHD skills. Is that something new that got added recently?
Thought it might have to do with why all the bounties were black tusk, but maybe I'm overthinking
Technically, only bounties involving Titan has Black Tusk.
But yeah, its more clear that they're on a recruiting drive for Rogue Agents
In any case, Hornet is dead for good this time. Although we still have plenty of Rogue Agents who bought into Keener's bullshit equipped with a handful of the Eclipse Virus.
Does an echo called pleased to meet you mr president exist?
Just wanted to bring attention to the fact that in The Ark, there's this infected lady who you give the antivirals too. Even after you do that, she never leaves the area. She just sits there. In that stuffy storage room. Forever.
@static bay what are u talking about??
What do you mean? There's literally a woman in The Ark, a contaminated area, who just stays there forever
even after she's cured.
^
What ark??@static bay
I'm so confused
OH I'm a fucken idiot
I
Now I remember the nun
Hellu, in your opinion, which rooms or CPs in Division 2 are the best for a PVP shooter? I'm creating a simple custom map for a shooter and I need something familiar
Theo Parnellâs boss room
@static bay #ask-td2-community , llincoiln memorial boss room?
The start of Capitol
Ew no
Tidal basins last room
For a pvp shooter I wouldn't suggest anywhere that's predominantly a large open area
Smh I like sniping
Sure you can have some lanes and some open section
But not 80% of the map with a few pillars
Guess it depends on the pvp shooter tbh
Though if itâs tidal basin make it in day
Itâs way too dark to actually see anything
What about the Vietnam part of American history museum
Hmm that sounds pretty nice
Can't remember the mission name
Er
There's not too many areas big enough imo
Yeah
Shopping mall might be a little campy
Dua lol
Jefferson plaza I think
When I hear pvp I was thinking more 1v1
also yes I'm thinking of making a map for Krunker. Asking here because the people here are the guys who are really into the aesthetics and design of the game
Lincoln memorial boss room might be nice though
Lincoln memorial boss room might be nice though
@static bay yee
Some of the rooms from the Capitol building would be good too
Lincoln kill room for a more cramped experience.
Hot take: Titan is a douche. Fuck Titan.
Works with humans to wipe out humanity
@cold bramble Its not available until Faye Lau's Manhunt comes out
Who now
That Division agent who went rogue at the end of WONY's story campaign
I mean, she has to. We still have some score to settle đ
Yeah but we can settle it in another game :(
I don't wanna kill faye lau really
Not in one of these shallow seasonal manhunts
Or at all
Ye her going rogue is such lazy writing imo
Kinda ruins a load of div 1 story for me
Yup, Faye didnât have a reason to go rogue. Most agents turned rogue due to their dissatisfaction with governmental decisions and motives.
Maybe she was pissed it took so long to fix her leg
Spongy af tho
Buncha twats
Jtf are just useless
@tall tendon Except Thunderbird. Never forget Thunderbird.
I think there was something about JTF gradually pulling out of New York
So there was a gap in between schedules of guarding Hellâs Kitchen
So sister gets bullet
Faye angry
Holds down T
New York was getting safer and then it wasn't
Somehow everything we did in 1 got undone
Which kinda sucks
BT suddenly controls DC
Gosh I hope not
My agent is a first wave agent from NY
But not really
Technically you would be rogue then
But you are in Manhattan in NY
Yup, Faye didnât have a reason to go rogue. Most agents turned rogue due to their dissatisfaction with governmental decisions and motives.
@lucid grove
Most agents went rogue because they're fucking loony
Or they wanted some good gear
Tbh
Maybe some pvp
Why wouldn't you go rogue
It's the apocalypse fuck listening to a bunch of other people
Like Hornet's team is full of psychos and nutjobs who never should've passed a mental stability review.
This is america
âEco Terrorist who wants to wipe out humanityâ
Yep thatâs hero material right there sign him up
Jupiter and Keener's teams are at least mostly written as competent and stable, but very self-serving
Minus a couple exceptions.
But Hornet's team must have a rule about being some jihadi fanatic.
Loonies attract loonies
The only relatively stable guy was Huntsman, and he only went rogue because he was simping for Keener
I guess Luna is stable, too. But Hornet, Titan, and that other woman are wacky cartoon villains.
Lmao âeradicating the weakâ how cliche
Meanwhile Jupiter, who's working for the same fucking guy as Hornet, is going in to do the opposite of Hornet's team.
Should've just let them kill each other off
At least Jupiter has a somewhat noble cause
I think, I wasnât here during season 1
Her cause is literally "Kill corrupt division and kill the nutjob Outcasts"
Oh I thought she had something to do with removing the virus
But thatâs more the cleaners talking
Yeah. She was going to DC with her team and some Cleaners to wipe out the Outcasts
Exactly. We only executed them because they were rogue and getting in our way, too.
But tbh it would've been pragmatic to make an agreement with them.
I donât think agents would ever collaborate with rogues
By extension that would make them rogue too
Yeah how dare they show grey morality in the game.
It's just rogue bad and not rogue good.
Yeah we need some grey rogues
Itâs as if thereâs a requirement to start snapping JTF necks as soon as you go rogue
^is this a Star Wars reference
It's kinda why I liked a game like Assassins Creed Rogue because it showed how both the good guys and the bad guys are more or less the same and each have their faults and paragons
Like Parnell couldâve been good but he goes ahead and shoots JTF soldiers in the head
Just to make sure we know theyâre the villains
I wanna see more of that in Division, because it seems they keep hinting at how agents to Rogue for diverse reasons, but then never really flesh it out and instead they have the Rogues do some crazy shit like bomb a hospital or create the Eclipse virus
Like there was an early theory that Kelso might've gone rogue only because she wants to be more brutal against her enemies or whatever. That could've been a good setup to show that even though Kelso goes Rogue, she's not some mass-killing traitor and that her opinions and methods differ or something. Idk, I'm not explaining clearly, but I know there's something there
I think I'm still just mad that Keener had to be genocidal. I wanted to like him, but then he became a cartoon villain.
Faye and Kenner had pretty good reasons for going rogue
Keener had a great reason to go rogue.
Then Massive wasted his potential by making him a psychopath.
Kenner was left for dead by the jtf, when a civilian safehouse was under attack he called for backup and the jtf said no
The jtf refused to help and just let agents die
Dude could've had a whole final showdown speech about how there government is corrupt and needs replacing or something, make you feel sympathy for his reasoning.
Ye
Instead we get "hee hoo scud missile I'm a terrorist"
I started to feel bad for the rogues under him
Like Theo
All their wanted was to find out what happened to his dad
All Theo*
He was a conspiracy nutjob and the sad thing is he was almost right.
Could've been cool for him to discover Black Tusk, have it so they're the ones who killed his dad, and he flips and works with you.
During all these rogue hunts I've just wanted to take them alive
So I could try and help them come back
I guess my issue is the story I want is more for a single player game, not an MMO.
MMO's aren't really an ideal platform for deep plots.
If you read the lore it says
Okay lol but Dragov was a meme.
Ya pretty much
"MY FAMILY" shut the fuck up, Dragov you're a gangster
So far I like Titan the most
Nah, he's too cartoonish for me.
I'm still working on killing him, but I hate his profile and his audio logs are dumb
My agents lore was she escaped NYC after her team was killed by rogues and lmb at a Cera hospital
Ya Titans log doesn't make much sense
Firefighter Mrs look out for there own if you where the only surviver you fucked up big time
Firefighters look out*
Also "I'm an ecoterrorist lol let's kill all of humanity"
Ya it's dumb
I mean. It's very Tom Clancy, but... C'mon.
My agent was a firefighter before she was activated
There are so many instances of ecoterrorists in Tom Clancy lore. And a lot of them plan to eradicate humanity, or try to remake the Garden of Eden or shit
They might as well be Nazis in how easy they are to hate because their goals are so ludicrously evil that it's almost laughable.
Gimme a villain I want to join, a villain that I'm so sympathetic to I want to cry when i have to kill them.
Like Ghost of Tsushima.
Like termite didn't wanna help anyone she basically just wanted sick and injured people to die
Yall thinking up backstories for your agents
Damn role players
Lmao look at those try hards
Hell yeah, I'm making up backstory for my agent. In fact, I wrote a whole ass document about it đ
Mood
From reading and dusting books to reloading weapons, sounds like the coolest trasnformation
He was a librarian
@steel radish soooo your Agent is the kind that does things by the book?
a funny joke
You know, people might like BTSU more if they stopped murdering civilians. đ
Lol
Muh sister died so lemme join the organisation that kills more civilians
Top notch logic
casually me just like; my agent is hunter through and through đ
I mean
The game acts like Faye was shady as shit from the start and like
I don't see that all
The BTSU could have been an interesting counterpart to the SHD. Structure vs Cells, chain of command vs a lack of one
Less war crimes and blatant villainy
Maybe the BTSU is respected in other parts of the country for legit reasons
But we just got the crazies because "cutthroats and killers, no boy-scouts"
I still wanna know what happened to the SHD HQs.
I donât agree with Keener nor do I agree with the division soooo
yohoyoho a hunterâs life for me!
You know, people might like BTSU more if they stopped murdering civilians. đ
@round sinew YES.
Agreed. There's never a justification either, or if there is, it's very flimsy.
What actually took down the presidential plane?
A Surface to Air missile
I mean what else could take it down? A fighter jet, scrambled in the apocalypse (air to air)? Not likely.
Well who fired the middle
The true sons
That's the real question.
Why would someone want the President dead? Who would? It might not even be the BTSU, because he is a very useful pawn to them.
Yeah who wants to kill chickenhawk
I'm highly doubtful it's the True Sons btw, since their SAMs are pathetic
Theyâre the only half capable faction for taking down a plane
That and the idea that Air Force One doesn't have flares is laughable
That actually wants the plane down
From wht I learned about the true sons they were part of the military during the evacuation
Yeah they came from the JTF
And besides didn't anyone notice they had all military equipment
They even had an anti air gun
They did break their commander out of a holding cell though, could they have hijacked a missile later on?
It's really not out of the question tbh
Yes
I mean yeah they had SAMs but the ones in Capitol were so trash they couldn't even hit a low flying helicopter
I'm no expert but I'm confident those same SAMs couldn't hit Air Force One
I thought they had missles prepped in the air and space museum
Right I forgot about those...
It's probably them tbh, definitely not the Outcasts and Hyenas. Homemade terrorists and gangsters, yeah not likely
Hyenas put super powered hydraulics on their RC cars
True sons had all military technology
Launched them up towards the plane
Again, I'm not an expert, but I'm sure if they launched enough longer range guided missiles at Air Force One the plane would be fucked eventually
Lol dont make me laugh
Which they could get through some good ol military infiltration
Yea tru
Hyenas put super powered hydraulics on their RC cars
@steel radish HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA YOU SAW THAT VIDEO TOO?
Wait wht video
Fuck it this is my new theory, a Hyena RC loaded with C4 took down Air Force One
Hang on let me find it, it's so funny
Sharko help me out, idk if I can find the video
Awww I can't find it. There's a video out there of a Hyena RC jumping in a ONE STOREY TALL, TWENTY METER long arc to hit a player
It's fucking hilarious
Lmao that's hilarious
boing
What's the Hornet mission like? As cancer as Jupiter's?
Yeah, the Eclipse chemicals aren't bad. Just need to douse yourself in the repair trap the hacked Warhound launches and you'll be okay
The key you pick up at the Trap on the bed, what does it open in the Hornet hunt?
At least it isn't Insta-kill magic sound waves
@round sinew to be fair to Jupiter, shockwaves can be quite deadly. It just makes no sense that they wouldn't destroy the jammer too.
Because itâs emitting from the jammer
Same reason why the eye of a hurricane has the weakest and slowest windspeed
Not really but kinda you get the point
Fuuuuck you, Hornet.
The Warhound section was cancer.
But I think it was bad for me because I seemed to rubberband a couple times and ended up dead.
Ayy killed Hornet
At least he's dead this time around.
Massive be like : ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT
Kinda cool that a minor boss came back as a bigger nuisance.
But they did it once so I hope they never do it again.
Keener's not actually gone? Whatchu mean, Hornet?
Wat
Something he says to Bardon in one of the comms
Keener's around in more ways than you think
Basically, he's projecting Keener's Legacy (Eclipse)
You know how Keener was obsessed over ensuring his legacy outlives him
Ye
Watch him get revived by hornet XD
They're gonna need a miracle at this point to revive Keener.
What if eclipse virus made you die for a while then re animated you?....
Meaning keener died in the eclipse
No zombies please
The writing is already bad, we don't need cliches to make it worse
I mean this Keener is still alive was foreshadowed prior to Hornet. The Theo Parnell mission already stated that the ID on an agent can be switched to be anyone.
Who is to say we actually killed Keener when he and the first wave were the only ones who could really bring the fight to the division
A dude was posing as Keener the whole time.
Would be interesting but at this point impossible to pull off
Since the guy we kill is the same guy throughout all the audio logs in the game and all interactions, he'd have been posing as Keener from the start.
It's OK for keener to just be dead guys
And since Hornet thinks the guy is Keener, that theory falls part, because Hornet would be able to tell a fake or not.
Since, you know, Hornet has known real Keener for years. So trying to shoehorn in a "he wasn't the real keener" would feel... Like shitty writing
Wait am I missing something here? Kelso and the Agent looked Keener dead in the eye as he was dying, wouldn't we visually know that he WAS Keener?
Yes
Ignore the loons, Maple.
The amount of writing and retconning it would take to pull some "Keener isn't dead" or "We didn't kill the real Keener" is astronomical.
Keener doesn't need to be alive to stay one step ahead of us.
^^^
The whole "Keener isn't dead" thing the rogues keep saying is a reference to the idea that he's living through them. As long as Keener's movement lives, Keener lives. He's a martyr.
That being said, Keener is still a fucking smoothbrain unless we get some more revelations on his plans. Because "organize rogue agents to spread Eclipse" is a room temperature IQ plan.
Keener wasn't that dull. He always has a trump card. Im 100% doubtful that eclipse was the only plan.
hahahahahahahahaha r/rareinsults
After all, he has a whole network at his disposal... It might be safe to assume that the agents we are seeing in DC and New York aren't the only agents working against us.
Game: Keener has genius level intelligence, he's highly motivated, highly self-interested, and highly dangerous due to his cunning and manipulative ability.
Also game: Keener's endgame is a scud aimed at New York.
to be completely fair to Keener, the virus does count as a trump card. How are you going to hide from a BOMB that spreads an airbourne virus?
There's nothing actually wrong with the plan in terms of impact, it's just cheesy as hell
But what kinda evil plan is "heehoo Smallpox 2.0"
A very, very boring one.
Wow, you're a Bond villain. Good job, Keener, you fucking drooling simpleton.
Put it into perspective. He was aiming for a reset. The plan wasn't just to bomb new york once more with eclipse. The idea was to create a clean slate.
Lives be damned.
Wow, an ecoterrorist, what a nuanced and advanced plan. "Kill everyone" he's such a genius.
But wouldn't the virus cause long term effects and cause the area to be uninhabitable to all life though.
It seems pretty cocky to just bet that the virus isn't going to mutate and jump over to wild animals
I was hoping with all the research, maybe he'd make some sci-fi-level genetically targeted virus. Some smallpox that only attacks Division agents or something crazy.
Nah.. he wanted everything purged.
You know, something like actually intelligent and somewhat scary. Instead we get genocidal GI Joe villain.
Wait
That's an insult to Commander Cobra. He had tact.
Okay I think I'm overanalysing this plan way too much. It's pretty clear that I'm putting more thought into this than he did.
And his entire plan was derailed by canonically 2-5 angry Boogaloo boys.
hahahahahahaha
1-4*, being stuck on a boat is a little bitch move.
yeah actually he says that his resources are limitless, but can't defeat some mortal Agents..............
looking at you kelso
Kelso- okay fair
lmao if you think that's bad, you should have seen her fight the Black Tusk. If you stop to watch, she takes about five mags to take out one bar of their armour
no joke
"I can literally defeat an entire Black Tusk assault singlehandedly. But holy shit this one guy has a drone, a turret, and a sniper rifle. Guess I'll die."
Its alright, its still canon that he loses to an agent with shock rounds.
Man can hack endless Warhounds, and a big drone, but dies because someone tases him.
Random encounters die with more of a struggle.
Well, if I had to be honest, hes awesomely aggressive and tooled to the teeth on heroic difficulty.
I just feel like he was done dirty
He was a cool villain in Division 1
He was a cool villain even in the DLC... Up until his final plan is revealed.
He compartmentalized and didn't tell any of his lieutenants the whole picture because he knew if they found out, they'd laugh at him.
Keener was afraid of being bullied by his minions, I figured it out.
I mean
If thats the perspective... its kinda true.
All of the agents under him would've betrayed him if they knew what he was planning.
considering what each of their goals are.
Yeah because he was gonna fucking kill them too
It wasn't a magic "avoid my friends" missile
I'd betray a guy too if I found it he was going to blow me up and kill me with smallpox.
Yeah if you go deep into the backstories of the 4 of them.... There is no way they would willing go along with the plan. Look at Dragov..... He considered the Rikers to be families and was turning them into a twisted band of merry men and he was Robin Hood. Then Keener showed up and manipulated him by going on a killing spree of people he considered family. Dragov was only supplying Keener to lookout for those he cared about. Kajika was NYPD with a Mob boss for a father. I suspect the only one of the four that "might" go along with the whole plan is Vivian.
Kajika was former black ops. I think you're referring to Dragov about his NYPD background
Faye's turn to villain came outta nowhere ngl
And it wasn't even foreshadowed at all
She goes from considering Alicia's offer to "bring the Division to its knees" way too damn quickly
She wasn't playing us the whole time or whatever the game said she was doing
I wonder if season 3 is going to be like the last couple..."Hunt down Faye's sister's counsin's newphew's Accountant!"
Was it ever explained why supply drops were coming into the DZ?
I really don't wanna kill Faye Lau in a manhunt.
I think she deserves more than a reskinned mission and a shitload of busy work.
I hope they make the manhunt more fleshed out next season
And actually make it feel a part of the story
Instead of just bounties and then suddenly Kelso and Manny start talking on the final mission
When they werenât involved whatsoever in the hunt for the others
Yeah. I just get sick of the cycle: 3-4 repeat missions for no reason. 1-2 of the longer missions. a dozen control points. A dozen pointless bounties. 4 bounties but this time the bounty is a division agent, then basically an Invaded mission.
I wish they'd just cut out the missions and CPs. Those are really the things that kill me because they're so... Pointless.
I kinda wish the lieutenants acted as an invasion
Rather than a slightly-longer bounty? Yes.
Like you have to do a bunch of missions and Kelso gives you some info on the target and their connections yada yada
At least it would make it feel more story focused
Instead of just âthe target is near you agentâ
Ye. If each season was more like one of the event sets, I'd be more stoked.
Tbh, the best way to organize that might be something like Kenly College. Make each Manhunt an expedition.
Yeah, but Iâd doubt they will make a new location, let alone 4 every season
Well, Kenly is more like 1 location for 3 missions.
Oh wait you meant the whole manhunt takes place in one location
Yes.
Give you a new central point you fly to, and you complete the 4 lieutenant missions in any order with some other crazy ass objectives, then you unlock the final mission to kill the BBEG.
Honestly, I'm willing to lose the "hunt" feeling for a less monotonous feeling.
If I have to trade out the hunting feeling so I can avoid 8-10 weeks of bounties, CPs and repeating missions resulting in a single Invaded mission and instead experience something entirely new, I'm down.
That's half the reason I liked Kenly College. It was new and interesting. Even if the missions are bullshit-levels of tedious, it was at least something different from the rest of the game.
Yeah the objectives should definitely be changed up
But I donât really wanna them to be all in one location
Kenly is really just a single-player Raid.
With all "defend the point" objectives lol.
Itâd just seem weird
Oh yeah thereâs this rogue agent cell and theyâre all here
But you canât kill them until two weeks later
Well, don't put the 2 week timer in, just release the whole thing at once.
Or they could do something else, and reskin missions for each rogue agent in the cell, I wouldn't hate that, but they'd definitely run out of mission locations fast.
Yeah but the point of the manhunt was that they were influencing things happening in the game world
Having them be in some secluded area is just off
They don't influence shit tho.
Not like in game mechanics
But story wise
Itâd make them feel like much less of a threat
You repeat the same 3 missions with no changes whatsoever. You capture 3 control points that are no different than usual, and you do 3 bounties that are kinda themed for the agent in question, then you do the rogue agent's bounty.
But through the whole thing, there's not really any mention of the agent you're hunting, or of the overall plot.
Yeah
I agree.
Really makes it feel like much less of a story if thereâs no dialogue to back it
And then Kelso suddenly gets involved for the prime target
I get that what we're asking for would take a shit ton of man-hours to do.
But, I'd be willing to pay a little if the manhunts were all basically DLC.
Y'know, we probably put on average, like, idk 20 or so hours minimum into the actual tasks of completing a manhunt, not even counting the league events or special events, so I can see paying like 5-10 bucks per season for a new manhunt.
IF it were basically a new DLC.
People in general aren't outright against paying for DLC or microtransactions, they just want what they buy to be worth it. Generally it isn't worth paying, or it isn't worth the price, but I think most people with the disposable income would probably be okay with this.
Only issue I really see would be splitting the player base, as they've already done with WONY.
Faye is the primary target of Season 4's manhunt
Hopefully we get an actual mission for Schaeffer and not just a reskinned bounty
he's probably going to be the big bad of the manhunt tho, he's Schaeffer. Unless Faye takes that place. Chances are they will be in the same manhunt campaign
Schaeffer is a prime target, he isnât one of the lieutenants
Which is weird because I thought these were all rogue agent cells
Schaeffer has rogues under his command because the BTSU is hurting for members
According to the leaks at least
Pretty sure weâre getting some hunter lore in season 3 as well
And the Russians are getting involved ' cuz it wouldn't be a Tom Clancy game without the Russians.
^
I can count on one hand the amount of Tom Clancy media that has Russian good guys.
And half of them, the state of Russia is still the bad guys lol
It's always renegades or something
Yep
HAWX, Ghost Recon, and Splinter Cell all have renegade Russians.
Rainbow Six and Bear and the Dragon are the only ones I can think of offhand where Russia is an ally.
Rainbow six still has Russia being shady
Shady, yeah. But still allies. In the book, at least, they're trustworthy enough to join Rainbow.
Just killed Conley of the D2's expansion and she's one crazy bi***
YES YES YES YES YES YES.................Y E S
The Summit?
Official name for skyscraper
Ah
Remember when this game was just crazy fantasy and then for a second there it got a little too realistic?
I member
In Division 3, the enemy is the chinese, not russians
Their name will be RDR -- Red Dawn Rising
I would rather be friends with Keener than Faye. I haven't liked her since the beginning.
Faye is an og
Keener all the way
i would have loved to be able to side with keener at the end of his mission, beofre you kill him, like our character says something and talks with keener
i want to go rogue and have that affect your game, like everytime you go rogue, you have to convince the people that you are good, but dont want to be bound by certain things
I mean
If Keener's vision is genocide and bioterrorism
Should've shot him where he sat and bled out.
yes rogue agent is much more interesting than a puppet for the elite
Well... if going rogue means helping the people on my own terms rather than serving the will of the rich fucks, I'm in
But going rogue to continue Keener's legacy of genocide and bioterrorism? No thanks
"Indiscriminate Bioterrorism" is still technically genocide đ¤
Maybe. But when your goal is to wipe the slate clean to ensure there's nobody to repeat the same mistakes that caused the collapse of society, its pretty close to genocide
well i mean it was only one part of a city
Titan is more about genocide
I donât know what Keener was all about with eclipse tbh
well i mean it was only one part of a city
@worthy cloak I mean, I can understand us not giving a damn about the factions that cause potential harm (Rikers, Cleaners, Black Tusk)... but killing a large amount of people is still genocide no matter who is the potential target.
genocide is the wrong word, mass murder would be more appropriate. Genocide is more about killing people based off ethnicity or race
he just wanted to kill anyone tied to the division
Trying to remember a specific detail before I try to move forward.... there was a side mission that needed to be done before you are allowed to go to liberty island... what was the faction we were fighting in there?
Black Tusk?
Ah.. then its of no consequence then. ....... Mass Murder probably is right.. I can try and consider most of these people of the same nation but thats being fickle.... Apparently being tied to the division meant its enemies too.
either way i started to sympathize with Keener especially if you collect all the cell phone recordings and such
Thats the thing... if we back tracked to the events of New York (Division 1)... There was a sense of understanding.
Considering the entire events of the New York Dark Zone, and the JTF abandoning the first wave.
there's one recording where javier is talking to some higherup within the division or Govt and he says something along the lines of if we stay we die and if we leave we are rouge. Dude on the other end was like oh well sorry agent.
Thats exactly how that entire dark zone ordeal went for every First Wave agent that went in there.... If they leave they are considered rogue, if they stay, they have absolutely no support and are on their own. The biggest problem right now is that despite what happened before, things are different now.
I'm still curious about the whole... "Back all the way off the Division" deal from a few months ago
Even Schaeffer sounded confused
In Division 3, the enemy is the chinese, not russians
@pseudo quail whoa hold on we can't make this series THAT realistic.
anybody in the PTS yet? hows it look?
Spoiler: All new exotics will be broken in pvp along with the new gear set
I hope if they balance it in pvp they donât fuck up the PvE sandbox
You know they will
so i just got spoiled that faye is like a traitor ?
Yeah
uuuuh do we know yet what new weapons we will get? besides the exotic*
Backfire exotic, and a new gear set and new armor related gear set, also a new exotic chest and backpack,
The named shotgun gives 5% armor on kill combined with hunter and gunner spec, you can reach 35% armor on kill
what new weapons we will get? besides the exotic*
thx ^^
hm... 35%
sounds actually usable in high difficulty
not counting in gear sockets
You also use the named bloodsucker on the new gear piece
12% bonus armor instead of 10%
You can reach 55% aok if you really wanted to
Skill tier pistol, you say?
In Division 3, the enemy is the chinese, not russians
@pseudo quail Really? Or are you just guessing. Red Dawn (Movie) and the game were a complete disappointment and bowed and prayed to their new gods and saviors of the chinese communist party.
What
i thought the enemy in 2 is some corrupt politician
where does it say he got payed by father putin? >>
The Black Tusk, but that's in the endgame
Why i cant start the mission classified assignment
I did the 1st but the others does not let me start it
@latent wagon first you can start at low level, the rest you can start after you reach level 30
If Schaefer really wants hornet or keener why not send a medic to revive them?
Because Hornet was already determined to fulfill Keener's Legacy and wants nothing to do with Black Tusk
And Keener is 100% dead.
@latent wagon first you can start at low level, the rest you can start after you reach level 30
@whole minnow Thank you !
Also, about foggy botton area there is a lady in the sewuer can you tell me about it cus i took the mission and i got nothing to start
Anyone knw where is the best drop rate for the bullet king
Targeted loot
We are in a game spoilers channel.
@latent wagon if you mean mission right next to it, to enter old Cold war bunker, it will lead to to another safehouse, where you get WW2 uniform, i think
Noice!
@whole minnow I have just done this mission, Tho ! Its not the one i mean
Ill send you in DM a video where to find this lady
Well, its official. Season 3 involves a Manhunt against Bardon Schaeffer
But I don't wanna kill either in a shitty manhunt
I hope to god theyâre gonna actually put effort into these manhunts
Like giving the lieutenants their own missions
Yeah
Have them act as an invasion
Actually have story characters talk making it have the vibe of story focus
why not just let us be rogues
like make a big-big expansion
where we will be rogues
or choose who we want to be
or choose who we want to be
@upper harness A Telltale Games game except it's Div 2. Hmm
Also nice profile pic, I see you are a cultured individual
I created another character and redo the story campaign, I have feeling there's something wrong with Agent Edwards distress mission. Manny seems doesn't care about Agent Edwards.
I wonder why that mission even exists lol
It's supposed to be a 'hunter' first encounter but it's just so off in that regard, when I first did it I couldnt understand WTF just happened
@storm egret to start the hunt for hunters
Not to mention that you cant actually hunt hunters (i.e. damage or kill them)
I kinda wish they elaborated more on them honestly
Maybe even add a way to kill them somehow and get a unique reward
Nah, not these hunters
The ones that you randomly encounter when your screen gets fuzzy
Those are stalkers ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
wut
And now I wish they did a better job of localizing the damn game, because the stalkers are literally called 'hunters' in my version
Or at least allow me to make UI English
They are hunters, literally the same ones you get the masks from. You used to be able to kill them to get the masks.
but they didnt fight back, just ran
Sometimes I donât understand how they run
Like the stalker near tidal basin
He literally has nowhere to go to
But smokes out some how
he is in his way to rendezvous with his team, but we encountered him first
If the devs didnt even explained where the hunters came from, what organization they are or even their motives other than eliminate division agents in division 1...maybe one of the key characters in division 2 knows about those guys.
Apparently weâre getting some explanation in S3
I'd say we will get one in season 3
Doubtful
@steel radish some explanation in S3 ? i dont think so
since season 3 is 10 days away
Leaks say that ||the hunter âleaderâ is one of the lieutenants||
@steel radish there is no explanation in S3
It might be season 4 then
it not a leak
CODENAME: NIGHTMARE
As a final surprise, we have an exciting new Limited Special Event coming to The Division 2 this winter. Taking to the halls and classrooms of a repurposed Kenly College in what we are tentatively calling Codename: Nightmare, The Division 2 will be providing a unique gameplay experience that we are excited to share more about in the coming months!
Iâm not talking about that
Iâm talking about a leaked lieutenant for the manhunt
It might be true it might not
where did you get this info from
bleave
But smokes out some how
@steel radish they literally disappear. They don't run anywhere, I'm pretty sure of it.
We still have one more BT lieutenant to kill and thatâs Jack Bonney
And likely heâll replace bardons position when he dies
I think Bardon got some rogues at his side and his mission is gonna involve a hunter
How do they just dematerialise
@steel radish what if hunters are just figures of our agents imagination

the masks they drop?
Also part of our imagination
Tell that to the Hunters that show up in Survival mode in Division 1.
'YOU DONT EXIST TO ME.' gunshot, then executed by handaxe
The first time I encountered a Hunter I got my face owned so bad I needed a cigarette afterwards.
No
Honestly
I think the hunter in the Agent Edwards mission is going to be the one on the manhunt
Because thatâs the only named hunter weâve seen
I thought that hunter was the âdemonâ mask one you can fight in vaguely the same area.
@vapid light the hunter in the mission was named, the hunter you fight is not
Ohhh demn, I didnt notice that. Yea i repeat the story mode only one hunter who has name "Unknown". The rest of thr hunters only has logo but no name.
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The noble squad logo has a hunter climbing over a Phoenix
So uh
I was playing R6s
And noticed one of the ops had what looks like an ISAC brick on his shoulder
Probably coincidental
Iirc, Ela got a Division 2 skin around the time we got the Thermite outfit as part of a cosmetics crossover
Iâm talking about Ace
Oh lol, probably a coincidence then
I think heâs a rescue climber in the lore so itâs probably some rescue equipment
It's not a brick on Ace's shoulder, it's just a radio.
It's too high up on the shoulder anyways.
Plus Ace is Norwegian, and a filthy mercenary. No possible relation as SHD only recruits Americans.
They might as well add a division agent. They added fucking Sam Fisher
a reserve type agent wouldn't be in active combat like R6
could add agents that have history in combat but they wouldn't be/shouldn't be tagged as division, that would make no sense
Just add keener 
heee could be active in quarantine if where ever it plays has agents
in all honesty, they could literally add anyone we would know who they are but the details why they are with the R6 team needs to be vague as hell or it would just be pointless fanservice
it makes literally no sense otherwise why an division agent would take part in something that goes against their directive
'being a reserved force for a last resort'
also the SHD is an united states only government branch, other countries would most definitely have their own version but they arent SHD
idk about most definitely but they should have their own plans
not everyone had the same history :x
purple square
I wonder of covid-19 is in the division
ay gave attention to a stupid meme, he is going to keep going now
Who
Jesus why would covid be in div
Imagine surviving through the fucking second apocalypse of smallpox only to end up with a general grievous tier cough from some fucking MERS wannabe virus
Any hunter on summit.
Really?
the BTSU is all but wiped out and Rogue agent cells haven fallen by the dozen...who else can face the division next year?
The devs will always create new factions to face the division
Just likely a cliche, nnew factions rise up, division tear up, all down, new enemy with good tech, still rogue agents will be there as it is common now for us to encounter rogue agents
I was hoping that the Faye Lau Manhunt for this year would lead into Division 3
America is a big country. Iâve no doubt thereâll be other groups in other parts of the country that have their own brand of bullshit.
I mean, we've only really seen eastern cities: NYC, DC, Detroit, Cleveland, and Philly.
Black tusk is still going to be a threat, we are only going after their military officers but not the actual leaders
it's very easy to rebuild guns, it's not easy to rebuild the pillars that hold the organization together
theres also the fact they are ingrained in the survived government
that is some splinter cell shit but its still going to be a problem we are going to need to go against otherwise its a plothole
that could make the series go assassins' creed like some people want despite the story locking it in the united states
The Division 3: Not the division
The Division 3 : The Cake is a Lie
The rogue network is probably a setup for us having to actually use it, imo
That could work
I hope next game will have a choice to go rouge in main story
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The Division 3: CRY OF THE COMMUNITY đ¤Ł
When do y'all think Raven's Rock will enter into Division as a supporter of Black Tusk?
Probably not.
||Isn't the funder behind BT a Russian armor manufacturer lore wise?||
Why put a spoiler tag in a spoiler channel
Do you all think we are going to explore BT's research into weaponized DC-62 in season 3? I mean we see that they took the True Sons DC-62 mortar rounds and made them more lethal in liquid form, so I'd like to see that explored more. Unless, narratively, the one mission we did in Jefferson Plaza was the end of it.
Maybe it will be part of this season
You're joking, right? Seasons don't have narrative.
I mean
Arenât they trying to appear as saviours or something
Using chemical weapons wouldnât really help them
Yeah, the want to appear as the good guys trying to help
That's why the president is alive currently, he's seen as a good guy and if he's with them there good guys
And they don't want to use chemical weapons and shit to keep the appearance as good guys
Makes me wonder why they were producing it in the first place then. They even say that the True Sons were on to something and that they could perfect it (or something along those lines). I don't think BT in general has a good hold over their folks overall or it could just be a throw away narrative just for the invaded mission.
It would be easy to use DC-62 and blame it on True Sons given the fact that the Sons used it on the Castle Settlement already (That settlement ever going to get some love?).
ikr the castle needs some content
biological attacks don't clean themselves and we don't have anyone available to clean also
yeah
Just spam castle with chem heal it will work out somehow
^
BT: "we don't want to be seen as bad guys."
Also BT: "We're gonna fight civilians and blockade settlements with armed checkpoints."
Don't forget about the public exoutions@round sinew
they are pretty hostile, take the time and listen to them talk, they are pretty mean, the "bad" people just throws taunts
no bt is the nicest faction ever
shooting people in the back of the head while they are handcuffed
it's so respecful
cleaners are the best faction
In div 1 I love cleaners but in div 2 I hate them
really? I think all of their units have very glaring weak points
did they ever say anything about new directives?
I have not seen anything on them, but did miss the latest SOTG
remember the confusion status u get from the hyena drugs?
i want that as a directive... constant confusion >>
Hey uhm so... on roosevelt island around emilies room i think it was. You can go behind the tend and theres a little area with nothing in it buuut theres a hole in the ground that you can jump into with a metal wire door that you cant open tho
its fairly hidden since you can only see it if youre infront of it and i kinda never found out what it is for... does anyone know?
@cold bramble that's a secret room...
It only unlocks when Roosevelt is on invaded and you haven't completed it yet...
havent completed it yet in like its still marked red?
or "has done before"
probably the first
many thanks ^^
are there any others? ( is this even a spoiler?)
could be the owl puzzle and also no it wouldnt count as one
ah sorry then ^^
owl puzzle? >>
theres a puzzle dealing with owl statues on roosevelt
.... huh
ah okay
Just search it up on YouTube and you'll get a video explaining it
thx ^^
No worries
I know it's probably just Keener's theme, but (bored pondering) the last WONY mission has the rogue agent music playing the entire time we are snuffing out the black tusk. Is that some kind of low key hint that we are the rogue agents?
Probably not, but I am bored helping another person through this mission for the n'th time, so thinking out loud.
I say probably not, but it's most definitely not, just wanted to nerd out 
đ we are going against the president of the united states
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Ellis did betray us, in a way
I mean that same president was selling out the future of the country to the highest bidder via an agreement with a privately hired militia group.
Was the SHD meant to be loyal to the president or the country. I can never remember đŹ
Neither, really,
a shared future where he looks good and BT becomes the heroes he hired to help after the first wave of division agents "failed"
how the hell is BTSU even alive and working when other world is probably experiencing the same shit.
There's only Bardon and Jack Bonney left of the original BTSU
No
SHD were never given a loyal status more so they were just there as a JTF if things ever got out of hand hence the the virus launched the SHD network was activiated
When is Season 3 even releasing?
In like 33 hours or so.
Oh fuck
Ngl, I'm excited to take down Bardon and his goons
i'm excited to take him down too, 3 months from now 
So we have Bardon, and Bonney, who other 3 would make up the Manhunt for the BTSU?
so, is season 4 gonna be the last season since we're finally taking out brendan and faye?
wait till the next leak to find out
i mean what would be after that? would they get our character models from Div 1 and make that a personalized manhunt for season 5 lol?
Do you want me to agree with you? because you already know the answer "We don't know", sarcastically remarking about the leaks should've given you a hint
some people like to make theories
Nah, season 4 will probably be it unless they announce a second DLC like a Year 2 pass or some shit.
Hell, by the time we kill Schaeffer, it'll be Christmas.
Tbh Jack Bonney should get a mission, too.
Jack Bonney?
One of the remaining members in BTSU
Actually, what about the unknown female Rogue agent that Hornet talks to in his audio logs? She could be a manhunt after S4.
And I could be remembering it wrong, but she does sound similar to that Rogue female agent who supplied the Rikers to bomb the SQZ (Secure Quarantine Center) and dragging the JTF and Division to NYC's underground back during the events of Div 1
There's also that one rogue that Faye captured and interrogated. Or was that Jupiter?
There's also that one rogue that Faye captured and interrogated. Or was that Jupiter?
@round sinew That was someone else, she might be apart of Faye's manhunt later
Some teacher person
I guess the call signs are revealed for the season 3 manhunt
Since they said the league names in patch notes
Gross
Alicia Coswald
Yes
Alright, so the season got released. Do we have pictures of what they look like? My game's updating as we speak
Not yet
I already got pictures, so no worries
cool
Just logged onto S3, why is my watch red and flashing in my menu, do we know?
@wild umbra pretty sure itâs just a bug and they are working on a fix for it
No like the actual menu around it is flashing
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
Which would be weird
That looks too purposeful to be a bug... It doesn't display the level, it's got a permanent exclaimation mark, the actual watch face is red which means its a different icon and the actual box its on is pulsing red
It was like that when we first got keeners watch iirc
I donât think itâs purposeful
was it? lmao I finished the campaign on release so I don't remember đ
same xd
So Conley's mission is bugged. The fucking fire tower doesn't proc
Ahh you too huh
ur a fire tower
Yeah, that fire tower bug and the looping intro bug seem to be the two big ones rn
Tell me when they're fixed.
Same here
Hot take, but what if Jack Bonney turns on Black Tusk and becomes an ally?
I know we've never before seen "bad guy turns good" in a Tom Clancy game. It's always the opposite.
But I can see it being a potential for why he's not around since he's previously shown great respect and even a little admiration for the Division.
(In all likelihood, he's going to be a miniboss in Bardon's mission)
It's never gonna happen
Once you go bad there's no change of heart for em in a Tom Clancy game
stranded tanker and ridgeway chest piece fix tomorrow
Tomorrow?
I don't understand bugs, but how's it taking like 72 hours to make stranded tanker work?
Just make fire tower go fwoom
It was like that when we first got keeners watch iirc
@steel radish it is, I remember it very clealry
clearly
Summit is fun. Solo'd my way through the first 20 floors. Doubt I can do any more on my own, though.
Hey massive there's a hole and ladder to go downstairs at floor 0 in the summit, hiding anything?
you think we went through the front door?
with hundreds of enemies filling each floor?
I mean we've got different factions living together in the same building and our HQ is downstairs so why not
When you pull up the floor list you have a little subway icon at the bottom
Theoriiies
Summit 2: Underground 2.
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Can't be any more anxiety-inducing as Underground, Survival, or Summit lol
summit 2 electric bugaloo
no
you just kill the hunters
they die
then you fire flare and get 1 million exp
the scaling with 3 man is better
There's hunters? Neat.
4 man the hunters are insane
yeah I recoomend 3 man because 4 man is like going from challenging to heroic
I've only made it to 20. I'm too lazy to solo past that.
I could probably go to 50 on my own with patience and time, but I seriously can't be fucked.
And I can't be asked to change up to a better, more meta play style.
same lmao
honestly I just ran my red build all the way through
its more a grind than hard
there's just so much shit
At least you run a red build. I run yellow.
yellow is great
Not how I play it lol
i'm very hyperactive and love to play in the thick of it
unless I die
then I cuss the enemy out
6 piece hardwired with an assault drone and turret. I sit back and let my machines flush and flank.
Because I've stacked my recalibrated skill effects on them.
ah
I didn't say I was smart
That's how I okayed before level 30
yep
Then I got used to relying on the two extra guns. Makes me a 3-man team in one.
xd
Stops being effective once you get to challenging though. The enemies stop caring about being shot and the drones don't dish out damage or stagger like they do on lower difficulty
nah
skill builds melt there
i prefer an all high end instead of HW but it's all preference
I like HW because it lets me keep one drone up at all times. Since I play solo, I rely on the distraction of a drone a lot.
yep
I soloed all the way up to 80 switching back and forth between red and foundry tank builds. Legendary just makes me wanna die.
That's how I feel about challenging
my solo foundry tank was doing ok but i kept getting overwhelmed
I wonder how the Hunter set would do.
Tbh I don't get how people run almost the exact same build I have on heroic solo. I just run it because I know it and I like it, but I think it sucks.
Was I supposed to get jumped by a hunter named "Jones" while doing the Shade rogue agent bounty?
no?
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@scenic thicket found this on the div 2 secrets hunting discord
Apparently during state of the game they said "We are not the only ones hunting the manhunt target"
might explain it
Oooooh
they as the devs? or the in game characters
devs
ooh
Maybe Jones is the dude who ambushed us on the Agent Edwards mission