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fast wharf
obtuse chasm
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Bro avoiding romance 😭

late void
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Nah it wasn't about that, it was to reassure people he was a settled family man or something, increase his appearance of respectability. Like Lyfe said, there was a bit about him pursuing Mackenzie Meret (unsuccessfully).

sick lantern
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he has an ex-wife or two iirc

torn shoal
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keener is the basic guy, doesnt have much empathy but completely understand people and knows how to manipulate them, he never does thing to help people, only to help himself

strange rock
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I think some of what we think of Keener is up in the air because of whole deep fake thing

glad spruce
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Manny + Mari

Theo and Maral

And of course, Bridgette "Viper" Douglas and Faye Lau

sleek plover
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Nat and Ygor the Brute

torn shoal
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don't forget the manager and his cat, prob the biggest love story seeing how much he talk about it and how he would sacrifice everything for that damn cat

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tbh cats do have that effect on me

glad spruce
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Same. I'd sacrifice everything for my family cat, Honey.

fast wharf
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Or I'm tweaking crazy

fast wharf
torn shoal
fast wharf
glad spruce
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So, next season is called The Pact and Y7S3 is called Mutiny, as revealed in the recent Livestream.

Should be interesting

ashen jungle
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the previous livestream, yannick did mention that Retaliation will be available on the other LZ maps too, so we can be sure that only showing the DC factions is just to avoid confusion.

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in case people were wondering about it being only outcast/truesons/hyena.
which also does mean that the story is DC focused, but has a more global reach.

echo turret
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The Pact is giving me 1.8 vibes from the first game. It was the same premise: the enemy factions forming a truce and working together.

glad spruce
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Yeah, but on a bigger scale IMO.

ashen jungle
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and more importantly: it's an LZ game mode, not relegated to its own zone.

strange rock
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Wanna see how it relates to BT taking control in part of some of the factions from the Theo manhunt and the DLC

torn shoal
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I love the subway event tho in dz, I'd love something similar

ornate gull
ashen jungle
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I know the word has no meaning anymore, but "decimated" means "reduced by 1/10th", so knowing that, it sounds a lot more violent than it is.

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Okay carry on, folks.

glad spruce
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Yeah, some people might find it hard to believe that the Hyenas are still there even though we fought them again in Y6S2 Climax mission

torn shoal
cold bramble
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I wonder if when the 3 factions join forces they’ll take over the dark zones? 👀

torn shoal
cold bramble
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Ahh

obtuse chasm
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I wonder will you guys also cover division resurgence lore?

ashen jungle
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This channel is for all games in the franchise, so I don't see why not.
Although I imagine that it'll get its own server, or at least its own section.

late void
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I think it already has its own server

obtuse chasm
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Damm

sleek plover
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Has lore of the Freeman ever been revealed

glad spruce
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Not yet.

What does interest me is that Resurgence is set up as a midequel, basically bridging the gap between Division 1 and Division 2.

ashen jungle
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Well, it's also working as a prequel, because the opening is set during the initial outbreak.

glad spruce
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Interesting

cold bramble
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Feel like that could be interesting finding out everything we don’t know between that gap

torn shoal
glad spruce
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Which guy?

torn shoal
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the Twitter guy

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u know, the bad one

glad spruce
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Oh, right. Yeah.

glad spruce
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Okay, for people who hates Keener with the fury of a thousand suns, what would it take for you to believe that Black Tusk is the real enemy?

torn shoal
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are there really people thinking bt are good ?

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like both can be true, keener being a pos that deserve jail for thousands of years and bt being a threat to everyone deserving the same

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at least keener got a reason to be a bad person, nat is more on the "daddy didnt give me enough money" energy

late void
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Yeah BT are definitely bad guys and I'm on board with taking Keener's help against them, but still think he's going to turn on us the second the greater threat is dealt with, perhaps intends to take some of their weapons/tools for himself.

sweet crypt
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How many times has Keener used other larger groups to further his own goals? That how I look at him helping.

sick lantern
glad spruce
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Was there even lore establishing that he betrayed his comrades while he was in the army?

torn shoal
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i dont think so

sick lantern
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from a div 1 loading screen

glad spruce
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I never once heard of this.

sleek plover
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damn i hate lmb

torn shoal
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well do I have good news for you about what happened to them

velvet oyster
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Dead

glad spruce
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Yet Division 1 cultists want them back 🙄

sick lantern
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scenarios that only exist in your head

velvet oyster
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If they ever release a LMB outfit we all would buy it

glad spruce
sick lantern
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well when the Black Tusk are so lame in comparison petter
and the LMB still being around by way of the White Tusk

glad spruce
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......

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I'm gonna effin scream

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Thanks a lot.

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See, this is why I'm always defensive.

Because of people like you.

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But somehow, I'm the effin bad guy because I love the story.

sick lantern
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I literally don’t even know what you’re talking about

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chill out

glad spruce
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You talked shit about Black Tusk

That made me very angry.

lost geode
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now here me out, imagine if lmb and black tusks joined forces behind our backs

torn shoal
# glad spruce You talked shit about Black Tusk That made me very angry.

I have a genuine question, why do you care so much what people say about the story of division so much? I know u like the story and all, but you also know not everyone gonna like it, not everyone has the same taste, so I don't understand why u take it to the heart when people shitpost about it or criticize it? you really shouldn't care, if you enjoy it, juste enjoy it, you shouldn't care what people say about it?

torn shoal
lost geode
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cracks knuckles more people to educate about the usefulness of shotguns?

torn shoal
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not sure Shotgun are useful VS grenadiers and drone operators

lost geode
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anything if useful

torn shoal
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shotgunners pre 1.4 in div 1 tho, they were a menace for real

sinful mauve
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When shotguns acted like a real shotgun be like:

lone salmon
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Man, maybe it's just me being autistic but for some reason I just get so irrationally angry fighting the tusks

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Like I'd go out of my way to prolong their suffering or humiliate them

lost geode
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i get rage when i fight the bounty and its crazy

sinful mauve
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Teachers, firefighters, ex-soldiers, tech guys, police, becoming agents against newly advance tactical PMC army.

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We all rage by this guys ngl

lost geode
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gets popcorn oh boy cleaners are back

sleek plover
lost geode
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im scared as i havent met any hunters (no dlcs yet)

strange rock
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There's a side mission during the campaign that you might encounter one
Guess you boosted

torn shoal
lost geode
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wait was that when you had to find the agent and then that person stuns you

torn shoal
lost geode
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crap

torn shoal
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there are 2 hunters in mission, one in coney island, one in stranded tanked

lost geode
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oh and guess where i am atm

torn shoal
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at home ?

lost geode
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in the game

torn shoal
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aww dang it

lost geode
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coney

glad spruce
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Assuming the Open World/Countdown Hunters are canon, then we made a hell of a body count.

torn shoal
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there are like 20 in lz, and maybe 10/15 in countdown, doesnt seem like much

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obsidian jay
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It'd probably give them more story relevance

sick lantern
obsidian jay
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I see
Just the black tusk then

tepid ibex
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anyway here’s a wasp outfit

ashen jungle
torn shoal
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well doesnt really help that btsu has black tusk in the name in the first place and is part of it, and that there isnt much made to differenciate the 2, since the schaffer arc was over pretty fast in story

ashen jungle
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It's literally still going on, what are you talking about?

torn shoal
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its going on now since schaffer woke up, but its been years since he is in coma

ashen jungle
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So the first time we've had a major development in ages, and you're saying it's over?

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I'd have assumed "revived" would be a better term to use there, or even "refocused".

torn shoal
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if you prefer : schaffer arc was inexistant for a few years, but not over

ashen jungle
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Also wrong, as it was in existence, it just was in the background, since he was in a ya know, coma.

glad spruce
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And in the timeline, his coma like 2 months

ashen jungle
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Don't bother with that part, people flat-out refuse to accept that game time and real-time is not exactly matching up.

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even if the game constantly reminds you of it during every Manhunt.

glad spruce
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That's their problem.

torn shoal
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hyping everyone for your new unit and using it like 2 times before not using it for few years, people gonna forget

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so, of all the thing people get wrong in lore/story, i get that one

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like how people say hunters are bt, like technically they arent, but realistically.... yeah, they are

glad spruce
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I think with Bonney dead back in Season 9, that pretty much sealed the fate on Schaeffer's original squad

torn shoal
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also its not like we got a clear picture of bt chain of command/squads names/etc

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its more or less "bt bad all of them"

ashen jungle
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Well they are.

torn shoal
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yeah obv, but i mean it doesnt help to see the difference between them

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and most people dont really care about it too, which is understandable

ashen jungle
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The main issue though is that even if we once did get a clear look at how BT was structured, the Seasons and just flat-out retcons have changed stuff.

torn shoal
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yeah, thats also an issue

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tho my main issue is unrelated, everytime i write "bt" i cant stop thinking of bt-7274 from titanfall 2

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not a huge problem but man the nostalgia doesnt help

glad spruce
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I could try to DM Lauren Stone and ask her the difference between Black Tusk or Black Tusk Specialist Unit

torn shoal
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I don't think u need to do that, it's pretty obvious

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it's like asking the difference between the army and a single unit lol

glad spruce
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Fine.

glad spruce
late void
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Nothing is perfect, it's entirely normal to like/love some aspects of a thing or person and yet dislike others - that's just reality. Building a self-identity about liking something so much that any criticism of the thing feels like criticism of you? That's an unhappy way to live.
But then all concepts of 'worth' when applied to yourself or other humans are purely imaginary, basically just trick of the ego, and not worthy of attention. You simply are, same as everything else.

torn shoal
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ok descartes

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x)

glad spruce
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Kettle does make an excellent point. Nothing and I shouldn't build my self-worth on the fictional media that I like.

torn shoal
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yeah its not just for you, lot of people make a random piece of media their entire personnality, and its very unhealthy

ember vector
glad spruce
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We're currently in November, and the Pandemic didn't start in earnest until early December.

torn shoal
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it was released on black friday

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it wasnt declared pandemic until a while after tho

glad spruce
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Late November, then.

glad spruce
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If I have to hear the word retcon one more effin time, I'm gonna explode.

ashen jungle
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What else would you call the introduction of Nat Sokolova?

glad spruce
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Introducing a new character

ashen jungle
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A new character that changed the previously established lore, and what do we call when established lore is changed after the fact?

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Starts with an R, ends with an et-con.

torn shoal
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what changed with her ?

ashen jungle
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The old head of BT was a guy.

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we never met him.

glad spruce
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I'm sorry, is the existence of a CEO of a PMC a effin retcon?

ashen jungle
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MSV even removed a comm that contradicted it , IIRC.

glad spruce
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That Black Tusk commander sounded more like an executive lol

torn shoal
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i never even heard of that lol

ashen jungle
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I think it was near a playground ingame.

torn shoal
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i mean it was a retcon or more like a mistake ?

glad spruce
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A mistake

ashen jungle
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It was a changed piece of lore, the common term for which is "retcon".

glad spruce
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But then again, we still have people believing Faye Lau is still a traitor, even though she was a hero this whole time.

ashen jungle
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Sokolova didn't exist before that point, there was no allusion to her.
No one is saying that retcons are bad except for your personal issues with the word.

glad spruce
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She's a hero and I'm tired of pretending she's not.

ashen jungle
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Lau has been the most retconnned character in the entire series, and that includes Keener.

torn shoal
glad spruce
torn shoal
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i agree on riven on this, she was def retconned

glad spruce
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Am I supposed to believe the last two comms that Lau left for her old friends didn't hint about her true allegiance?

torn shoal
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hving her to die was def stupid af

glad spruce
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I am not getting into this BS again.

ashen jungle
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Lau was a fairly nothing character in the first div, she was just there as a reason for you not to be the boss yourself.
Then in 2 she was made into a kind of hero character, sort of like Cayde-6 in destiny.
Then turned into a villain when, well let's not get into VA's career trajectories.
Then re-classified as a good guy when I think they want to bring her back in some respect to the franchise, maybe the VA is free again, idk.

glad spruce
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She's a hero and she deserved to be treated as such.

End of story.

torn shoal
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bro, its just a story, its not about you, dont take it personnally

ashen jungle
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Hawk', you are not the keeper of div lore, you do not get to draw hard lines through a conversation.

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You've been warned before about this, do not make me issue an official warning over something so petty.

torn shoal
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if next month we get a com that she was actually secretly working for nat to take scahffer down will you keep saying she is a hero ?

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she isnt protected from another retcon in the end

glad spruce
torn shoal
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im just saying, she wasnt a hero, then made hero, then was made a vilain, then a hero again

glad spruce
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Okay?

torn shoal
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all the "but we didnt know then" is just retconned stuff

ashen jungle
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We only recently found out that Ellis was a good guy all along, despite being complicit in a presidential assassination in order to gain power.

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I still don't understand that one.

torn shoal
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yeah that too, ellis going to bt, then dying for no real reason instead of telling us anything

glad spruce
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Seriously?

ashen jungle
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It's a tom clancy story, the president is always a tool.

glad spruce
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Is your modus operandi capturing traitors?

torn shoal
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he made more sense as a vilain thats just a fact

ashen jungle
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Apparently yes, because now we trust Theo with our lives.

glad spruce
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He still is. Just because he tried to do the right thing, doesn't erase his crimes.

torn shoal
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also yeah, reviving theo and keener is..... not great move

ashen jungle
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I need 1 question answered: was that actually Theo+the Rogues at the start of WONY?

glad spruce
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I'd sooner trust Keener and Theo than anyone else in this world.

torn shoal
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you'd trust keener and theo ?

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who killed how many civilians ?

glad spruce
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Yes. Defeating Black Tusk by any means necessary is acceptable.

Any civilian working for the PMC are traitors.

torn shoal
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saying "but they bad people" and without any proof ?

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"but there are hunters embedded" ok whats the proof ? we dont murder people for fun without proof

glad spruce
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If they provide the proof, I doubt that'd be enough for you.

ashen jungle
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Wait, the JTC at the start of WONY were working for BT?

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Those civvies that they gassed at Clinton were BT?

torn shoal
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if they provided anything i'd be with you man

torn shoal
glad spruce
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There were Hunters embedded within City Hall.

As if we need mroe reason to keep them alive.

ashen jungle
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That has to be a mistype, they sent medical supplies booby-trapped with chemical weapons.

late void
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we only have keener's word for it though

torn shoal
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which we have 0 proof beside keener word

ashen jungle
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There is 0 chance that you are remembering that right, there has to be more than that.

torn shoal
glad spruce
torn shoal
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sounds like you hate me a lot lol, thats not cool, even for you

glad spruce
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I don't hate you, Lyfe. I just don't agree with your points.

torn shoal
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yeah but i dont kill civilians xd

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id say thats worth more than anything keener can give you to trust him

ashen jungle
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Side question: but after having played BfB, is Theo mindcontrolling everyone? Because after the clinic was attacked and all those doctors and recent mothers were burned alive, he seemed very much not bothered by it.

glad spruce
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Fair enough.

Parasocial BS is hitting me again, so I should stop right there.

ashen jungle
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That mission was one of the most horrific I've gone through in the entire franchise, and he was like "nah idc"

torn shoal
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i dont think anyone is much bothered, side characters dont mean a lot in this game

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it was mostly for shock value, nothing else

glad spruce
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What can he do about the Clinic people who were already dead by the time he arrives to the settlement?

torn shoal
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he could feel bad

ashen jungle
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He could say "oh no, those poor orphan'd babies"

torn shoal
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"oh no, we didnt save them in time"

ashen jungle
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or even "im about to be a father, i have sympathy for these people"

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I'm putting it down to it being related to him thinking that eating from the East River is a good idea.

torn shoal
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hey, cant beat the fish taco

ashen jungle
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I mean,|| Danvers|| is still gonna be alive, right? It was like Roosevelt's boat for sure.

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You wou;d've thought we would check by now.

glad spruce
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He was screaming while his Zeppelin crashed down. So if the crash didn't kill him, the drowning will.

torn shoal
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there is the good old rule of "if you dont see a body, he aint dead" in media

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especially in thoses stories with lot of plot twist that come out of nowhere

ashen jungle
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Anyone can fake a scream.

glad spruce
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Doubt there'd be much of Danvers left. Bits and pieces, though.

torn shoal
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but in div 2 it proved that even with a body its not enough, keener and theo are proof of that
also hornet for some reason

ashen jungle
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Hell, with all the ||deepfake ||stuff in bfb, it could've been a recording.

torn shoal
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also, do we really know he was on that zep ?

ashen jungle
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That is exactly what I'm saying, yeah. I think he wasn't even on it.

glad spruce
ashen jungle
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Roosevelt again.

torn shoal
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its funny how powerful the plot armor is in div lol

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you get some guys die literally at the first bullet, and others can go for a while even under the worst circumstances

glad spruce
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Or the good ol rule, helicopters get destroyed when Division agents are on it

ashen jungle
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I do love that video-games have never gotten over that.

torn shoal
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i mean, how could they, its always funny

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and we all know, a funny story is always better
the other rule is that a grappling hook is also making games better

fast wharf
torn shoal
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tbh if i was in any proximity to a div agent i'd run for my life, things never go smooth with them

glad spruce
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It's probably a miracle Pilots Fernanda Torres and Casey Bell haven't crashed their helos with the amount of times they sent us to offsite locations as well as NYC and Brooklyn

patent narwhal
torn shoal
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what a controversial take

patent narwhal
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when gassing people is deemed within the limits then why the hell should we even give the cleaners anything more than a seconds worth of attention because burning people is just as bad

patent narwhal
torn shoal
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i wanna make a joke but im not sure its allowed in here xd

glad spruce
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I guess we'll just agree to disagree

patent narwhal
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no not really because when you start to gas people trying to call anyone the real bad guys becomes pointless because you're the team who have gassed people theres no wiggle room with it gassing people is just plain horrific and inhuman

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and its really stupid that they try to play it off as haha we dont do that anymore teehee it was just a silly lil thang >w<

glad spruce
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I'd sooner fight to defeat Black Tusk and Hunters.

patent narwhal
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like no you gassed people you commited one of the worst acts you can do to another living thing ever this isnt some teehee quirky thing

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okay then just shoot them like everyone else dont GAS them especially when the people who got gassed were civilians

glad spruce
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There are more ways to defeat an enemy than just wasting bullets.

patent narwhal
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yeah and none of them should be GASSING people

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it removes any point to the cause you're fighting for

ashen jungle
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Any solution to a problem that involves murdering dozens of random innocent people, is the reasoning of the villain.
This should not be a controversial take.

patent narwhal
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if the true sons are painted as horrific people for gassing civilians then why the hell is there no pushback from ourside and the only mention of it is just being nahh that was just a one time thing kendal you dont understand they were just really bad people who happened to be helping us twas just an accidentt pwease let us have your printer 👉👈🥺

ashen jungle
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I want a scene in the next Season where a bunch of the widows and orphans of all the people Keener+pals murdered show up at the bridge and he cracks wise.

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"it's a gas to see you all".

glad spruce
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Okay, fine. You've made your point.

ashen jungle
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"arent you just dying to see your parents again?"

patent narwhal
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from what I can remember the most extreme thing black tusk has done in game is like threaten to bomb the white house two times the zeppelin would be close but that was so impractical I can't see how it'd ever actually get anywhere

ashen jungle
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Somewhat related, but the ||ending footage of bfb, that overhead shot of the two talking about potentially flipping Marol to their side, does that imply that Marol used to be sympathetic to their cause, ||because that could be a real issue down the line.

glad spruce
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Not really. ||Maral is Theo's girlfriend, so she'd have trouble working with Danvers and Moretti against the Bridge||

ashen jungle
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She wouldn't be the first to get flipped if they promised some kind of safety for the kid, maybe even if it has a rare medical thing that Kandel can't fix.

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BT building more than one ||Zeppelin frame|| implies that they plan on making more than one. The person who made that call is definitely implanted with the Hyenas, because that only sounds like a good idea if you're on Spice.

glad spruce
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Is this like a game to you or something?

"Oh, these two a-holes were considering recruiting Theo's girlfriend to our cause. That means she betrays him!"

patent narwhal
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I mean yeah that would be a likely outcome

ashen jungle
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.......Hawk, I want you to read that sentence you wrote again/

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really give it a look.

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Take your time.

glad spruce
patent narwhal
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didnt say that

ashen jungle
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Do you think that this is something that is actually happening in the world?

patent narwhal
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they can try to paint theo as some quirky nerd boy not ready to be a father who couldnt do anything bad but like if my partner was a key accessory to gassing people & burning them alive yeah I would probably turn on them!

glad spruce
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Right

ashen jungle
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@glad spruce I'm going to need you to answer the question I asked you.

glad spruce
patent narwhal
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theo has done a lot of horrific acts and been crucial to commiting even more acts it would not be that hard to sway someone to your side like that unless we're just writing padme again for the big 2025

glad spruce
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As to your question, no I don't see a good reason for Maral to switch sides.

ashen jungle
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No, do you think that this is real?

ashen jungle
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This is literally a game.

glad spruce
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If you're referring to the game's storyline that I think of it as real, no it's a game.

I just have an unhealthy parasocial relationship with it.

ashen jungle
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I'm going to tell you now, another rant like that and I'm going to mute you for an extended period of time.
This is not healthy.

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Separate yourself from this universe for a while. Read another fiction if you really want, or watch something entirely different in tone and genre.

glad spruce
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That can help. But it's kinda hard since I do wiki stuff and do my weekly comms summaries.

ashen jungle
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Take a break, you can do them in 2 weeks when the next Season starts.

torn shoal
glad spruce
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I'll give it a try

torn shoal
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i mean it in a good way, you should take care of yourself

ashen jungle
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Please do, you help contribute a valuable asset to the community in the form of the comms translation.
But you owe it to yourself to stay positive. Too much obsession can be a bad thing, trust me on this. Personal experience.

torn shoal
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think of the bickering about the story the same way people bicker about cats vs dogs, there is no good answer beside what you like, you dont care anyone think of cats, its about you, not them

glad spruce
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Alright, I'll take a break.

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2 weeks

torn shoal
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take care man

sick lantern
outer hill
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Hi. Which descent number are we? I'm currently on 113 and i just felt like i was missing one before the new season started 😩

glad spruce
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If you're referring to the comms, we're currently on 103/105.

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The 105th comm will be available when next season releases

torn shoal
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wait wasnt resurgence cancelled or something ? why did it appear on the roadmap ?

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or am i confusing with another title ?

glad spruce
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You're confusing it with Heartland, which was cancelled, last year.

torn shoal
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fair enough, its close in name (it aint but i'll pretend it is)

latent ocean
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@harsh sparrow in short words, after keener we hunt a bunch of Rogue cells, whatever the important part comes in the first season of kelso, when Keener reached kelso to explain her his plan and why we dont need stop him

harsh sparrow
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hmmmm

latent ocean
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And now we follow kelso and we r rogues

harsh sparrow
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well weren't we always following kelso anyway?

latent ocean
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ISAC dont mark us as rogues bc he thinks we r still following the good objective

latent ocean
#

The moment we selected her path we went rogues

glad spruce
#

"It doesn't matter if ISAC thinks you're on mission. The minute you allied with Kelso, you went Rogue"

latent ocean
#

Whatever, i recommend see NGN, there is a lot of details in audios and the seasons itself, is rlly a lot

#

The first seasons maybe can be a Skip, is just hunting Rogue cells searching vengeance for keener after wony

harsh sparrow
#

the 2025 lore video is 4.25 hours lol

glad spruce
#

I was quoting Brian Johnson :p

latent ocean
#

That fight gave me nightmares

#

I hate his Sniper so much

latent ocean
#

Prepare ur brain for the biggest load of lore, we had spies in our BoO and in the BT, Keener is our friend bc "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and family time season

torn shoal
harsh sparrow
#

yeah it makes sense, just not something ima listen to in one sitting

#

and if he's anything like byf, i wont make it through at all lol

torn shoal
#

obv, take ur time

glad spruce
#

NGN speaks in Australian accent, though I could be wrong.

ashen jungle
#

You are.

#

Although if you're from neither place, it does seem to confuse outsiders.

#

unrelated to div2, but australia really doesn't have a single accent either, it varies pretty heavily based on location. But the stereotypical one is closest to what a yank might call "country".

ashen jungle
#

patriotism mode: deactivated.

harsh sparrow
ashen jungle
#

@harsh sparrow I'm not a mister or a sir.

harsh sparrow
ember temple
#

Iirc NGN is from New Zealand

#

And all his videos are worth a watch

ashen jungle
#

You can tell by the fact that he sounds exactly like a kiwi.

strange rock
#

Last two descent comms can be briefly resumed to || Matthew Grant has some weird fetish with Violet||

glad spruce
#

Reminds me of those ||people who spoil their pets rotten to a parasocial level.||

||But with Grant, its ten times weirder, cuz he treats a Warhound, a bot made for killing, like a pet.||

torn shoal
#

meh, still not as weird as thoses people with "ai bf/gf"

#

at least thoses warhound can hold an lmg

#

if you catch my drift (plz dont its cursed)

fast wharf
glad spruce
#

Unfortunately, Lyfe, I already got the drift the moment you said it xD

cold bramble
#

Have we had any update on the whole situation with the war hounds being reworked? Aside from the recent one which I’ve not got around to looking at

glad spruce
#

Are you referring to mobility experiments that Ortiz Robotics did for the Warhounds back from Year 5 Descent comms?

ember temple
surreal hearth
#

Is it just me or is black tusk started weaponizing proxies and allies with hunter tech?

surreal hearth
#

I asked cuss he was running his own proxy army using the cleaners while working for the black tusk

glad spruce
glad spruce
glad spruce
#

Most have missed it, but Manny does mention at the end of Mr. Manager climax mission that the intel we recovered reveals that Sokolov Concern has been providing equipment to more than just Black Tusk.

ashen jungle
#

I assumed that was a reference to the Invaded missions, where BT were supplying the various factions.

#

and that it was actually coming from SC, although that part seems kind of obvious, not really a reveal so div2shrug

cold bramble
cold bramble
#

Because if I’m right in thinking isn’t it under new leadership?

latent ocean
#

If u see the trailer of his Manhunt u can see at the end he change between ANNA and ISAC after kill an entire room of BT units

cold bramble
#

Ohh shit your right

latent ocean
#

ISAC is like the little kid u offer candy to make him stop crying

cold bramble
#

Still confusing though in some ways

sick lantern
glad spruce
# cold bramble Yeah I think so

Yeah, the mobility experiments were a failutr as it caused Warhounds to turtle and Ortiz Robotics were forced to re-do the programming.

torn shoal
#

there is no telling if keener can change isac objectives permanently or just hack us when we're on the field

#

hacking us to scare us is a thing, changing isac nation wide is def something much harder

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and i dont think he could do that, cause bt has more ressources, better access to isac, they got a better version of isac on hunters, and they couldnt even scratch that

latent ocean
#

Also on field we have Keener's watch so is not like he is hacking us

#

And Theo mentioned something about is easy to lie to ISAC

torn shoal
#

lying isnt hacking

ashen jungle
#

We do know that Keener can't actually change anything, ANNA confirmed that Keener basically can't even change the volume on his phone.
That was all Theo.

torn shoal
#

yeah that part is very real, keener is a complete boomer

#

keener does sound like the guy that would ask chat gpt for anything if it was connected to internet

frosty bluff
#

He’d probably social engineer an AI out of boredom

torn shoal
#

wrong channel try div lfg

glad spruce
#

Does anyone know what's breed is Fluffy (Mr. Manager's pet cat)? All I know is that she's fluffy.

obsidian jay
glad spruce
#

Very funny.

obsidian jay
#

Yes thank you.

torn shoal
#

no idea but visually it was just an orange cat

#

so nothing specific or extraordinary

fast wharf
ashen jungle
#

@raw swan No advertising, Rule 4.

raw swan
#

✨

tepid ibex
#

+30

ashen jungle
#

@tepid ibex +30?

tepid ibex
ashen jungle
#

Less of the "le random" stuff, this is the lore discussion channel.

sleek plover
#

damn i hate LMB

sweet crypt
#

They probably hate you too.

sleek plover
#

May they burn

obtuse chasm
#

The world is healing NGN is back baby!!

glad spruce
#

Thank goodness. I can't do voiceovers worth a crap even if I wanted to.

ashen jungle
#

All you need to do is cut every 5 seconds, and plug your sponsor halfway through the video.

#

1 pink and 1 blue light behind you optional, but recommended.

torn shoal
#

ah the famous bisexual lighting i see everywhere

tepid ibex
torn shoal
#

thast just reaffirm my point lol

floral gull
#

oh nice NGN is back

glad spruce
#

Is it Tuesday yet?

torn shoal
#

someone eager to play

glad spruce
#

Yes.

I don't think it's too far to say that I'm excited for what Year 7 is bringing to the table

ember temple
#

Oh yes NGN is back hyped

glad spruce
#

Indeed

alpine ingot
#

Season 2 of year 7 TOMORROW!!!!!!

glad spruce
#

Indeed

alpine ingot
#

I am way too excited for my own good dear lord

glad spruce
#

We pissed off the True Sons, Hyenas, and Outcasts and they're hungry for retribution.

alpine ingot
#

Delicious retribution....

Honestly im shocked because like. Us pissing off the 3 factions so much that they unite in mutual hatred? More shocking the Outcasts would be willing to stand the True Sons for any amount of time like that.....

ashen jungle
#

You could almost say, that they're up for some Retaliation.

torn shoal
#

lets hope the season is better than the movie

torn shoal
marble dawn
#

a mistake I assume, but The Manager manhunt is listed as 2nd of september in legacy manhunts

glad spruce
#

It's not a mistake. Every previous Manhunt gets listed in the legacy Manhunt menu with their own in-game date, basically a way to tell us when they took place.

So, if you ever got the idea in your head that Schaeffer or Faye Lau Manhunts were 5 years ago in-game timeline wise, they're not.

ember vector
#

I always assumed it took place after Burden of Truth (end of October, start of November). Here we are led to believe Crossroads took place between End of Watch (Faye Lau) and Hidden Alliance (Captain Lewis). Maybe, it is really a mistake and they wanted to write November 2nd.

ashen jungle
#

Comm was interesting, just ||"nat is planning something", but from the way the Manager described it, it was more for troops than warhounds, unless she's literally taping AR's to robo dogs.||

glad spruce
#

Anyways, since UbiConnect is being an a-hole with the dolphin 34 error, if any of you able to share me the comm for this week's Manhunt Scout, I'd be grateful.

DM would be preferable.

ashen jungle
#

a tl;dr is what I commented, but I can translate it directly if you'd like.

glad spruce
#

That'd be great.

marble dawn
glad spruce
#

I'm gonna assume ||the comm took place way during or before Schaeffer's Manhunt, or The Manager having talks with Schaeffer after we rescued the guy.||

ashen jungle
#

Okay done.

marble dawn
glad spruce
#

BTW, what's the comm title?

ashen jungle
#

Debrief.

glad spruce
#

Got it.

glad spruce
#

You know, I wouldn't mind if future Descent comms focuses on how other U.S states are holding up.

I'd imagine some of them fared better than others

ember vector
glad spruce
#

You said September 2nd, right?

#

Then it's an oversight

#

It's supposed to be November 2nd

glad spruce
#

I'm not sure if most people know this, but prior to Division 2's release, we had a series of audio transmissions from Amazon Alexa as lore drops back

I do wonder if some folks managed to document that.

glad spruce
#

Descent comm 105, Fetch.

||Matthew Grant plays fetch with his Warhound pet, Violet, who burns one of the Cleaners. Grant apologizes to the Cleaner who was screaming in agony from his burns, telling him that Violet doesn't know her strength sometimes, then he tells Violet to drop her "toy" several times, until "she" does and the burned Cleaner dies from his burns at the end of the comm.||

glad spruce
#

Had another amazing conversation with Lauren just recently.

#

Best part is that she thanked me for my part in maintining the wiki.

obtuse chasm
#

where is schaffer tho?

#

i guess we never know

glad spruce
#

He's still in the White House.

crystal needle
#

He’s still talking, and Kelso had to go

true fox
glad spruce
#

Nah, Mr. Manager is doing the talking this season

frosty bluff
#

Agent, I need to debrief with the Manager. Schaeffer had to go. Said he needed some sleep.

#

-# And yes, I'm already feeling someone is going to mention his comatose state as his "sleep"

glad spruce
#

Well, I'd imagine Schaeffer had a good reunion with Mr. Manager after he got extracted to the BoO

sleek plover
torn shoal
glad spruce
#

He already finished his sleepy eepy

obsidian jay
#

Bro already hibernated

glad spruce
#

And now he's wide awake and trying to relearn to walk again.

Take it easy on the guy.

torn shoal
#

bad decision imo, if i forgot how to walk i wouldnt want to learn to do it again

#

thats how u get into problems

obtuse chasm
#

man i miss seeing kelso

#

i hope she make a cameo atleast

torn shoal
#

isnt kelso back ?

glass notch
ashen jungle
#

@glass notch That was Lau.

glass notch
#

Oh

#

I forgot 😞

ashen jungle
torn shoal
#

yeah i wonder why lau va cant do voice over too, its not like you cant do both ?

glass notch
#

It's Sonya Balmores

glass notch
ashen jungle
#

IMO Lau's VA is toi big now to do div2, but she is dead in the lore so take your pick why.

torn shoal
#

i mean, you dont have to rez her again, just do coms from before

ashen jungle
#

Unless she's going to talk about eye-patch maintenance or how she kept her limbs broken all div1 campaign, I think we're sorted out for Lau info.

torn shoal
#

well, the coms we have are very light in explanations, and mostly "wow cant believe you done this but its ok"

#

thats just me wanting better lore maybe thats too much to ask (probably consdering the costs)

ashen jungle
#

Ah there it is.

glad spruce
#

I do want to see Kelso again as well.

ashen jungle
#

I'm sure she'll show up again.

glad spruce
#

Feels like she has a martyr complex, IMO.

But then again, a lot of the characters are damaged goods.

ashen jungle
#

The only thing I wanted out of Lau in comms that we didn't get (well the main thing) was one of her showing off her singing.
Lady has some serious pipes.

#

I'm going to assume that Kelso is off looking into Nat's new supply line, whatever she's giving all those resources to must be pretty intense.

torn shoal
#

at this point i wonder what is she even onto, like we took down so much of her army and hunters, so many times, and she isnt recruiting really, so thats either her hail mary move or there is something entirely new coming but you'd wonder why she didnt use that before

ashen jungle
#

That's not really how using resources for a project works.

torn shoal
#

in war, thats pretty much it tho

#

except for very specific stuff, its usually battle of attrition

ashen jungle
#

Yeah I knew this was a mistake today.

#

you do you.

torn shoal
#

?

#

i have no idea what you mean

glad spruce
#

So, next season is called Mutiny, right?

What if, and this is baseless speculation, the end of this season will involve Natalya having General Anderson executed due to the precious failures of his True Sons, and a lot of them are gonna be forced to become Black Tusk?

Still, there'd be some True Sons who wouldn't be keen in working under Natalya's thumb. Hence, Mutiny.

ember vector
ashen jungle
#

Even back in the base campaign, we know that some people within the True Sons don't like the direction they took with chemical weapons and such.

#

start of Air+Space has a defector killing one of their own people to get away.

torn shoal
ashen jungle
#

We already are allying with Rogues.

#

for a long time now.

torn shoal
#

not all of them

ashen jungle
#

That's because "rogues" aren't a faction.

#

people keep using the term in here as if they have t-shirts.

torn shoal
#

wym they arent a faction ? arent they fighting everyone on their own term ?

#

with keener as a sort of leader

glad spruce
#

Not everyone who goes Rogue follows Keener or his ideology.

#

I think it's fair to say that most of us are waiting for Keener to make a move as soon as the Black Tusk and the Hunters are off the board, and send him to Belize.

torn shoal
glad spruce
#

Okay, recap of the story after Lau's Manhunt.

Y4S1: We attack a resurgent True Sons, and have Captain Lewis' help against Black Tusk in JTC where we fight and kill Jack Bonney, then recover his SHD watch with classified status,.

We then learn from the files on Faye's laptop that she and Schaeffer were trying to help by warning us about the Hunters, who are revealed to be working on behalf of Calvin McManus, Secretary of Homeland Security, who is also allied with Natalya Sokolova.

Y4S2: General Anderson is re-establishing the alliance with Black Tusk, and we try to stop him with help from Captain Lewis. Unfortunately, Lewis got captured and we had to rescue him at Pentco, which allowd Anderson to escape and officially have his True Sons at Black Tusk's disposal.

Y4S3: We try to stop Stovepipe and his team from unleashing a mortar attack, but learn they were a distraction, so Black Tusk attacks the White House and disrupted the SHD Network using their countermeasure. We stopped Black Tusk from taking over, but unfortunately they managed to kidnap civilians (as well as Tchernenko and The Strategist), take the bioreactor, and Sokolova leaves a taunting message to Manny, demanding him to hand over the White House.

Y5S1: We rescue the first group of civilians, including Manny's pregnant girlfriend, Mari Singh, from Black Tusk's custody. And we learn that Black Tusk's whole goal is to take over the country as a legitimate military froce.

Y5S2: We rescue the second group of civilians, and then confront The Recruiter, who is revealed to be Agent Johnson, revealing there's Hunters embedded within the Division.

Y5S3: Agent Kelso has went missing and we go to New York to find her. Overtime, we learn about "Cassandra" and who she is, and after we deal with Black Tusk/True Sons in Stranded Tanker, we got shocked by the SHD Crate, and reveal that Keener and Theo faked their deaths.

Y6S1: Keener gives us four trials to complete, before we meet him, where we learn he has the Hunter Roster in a USB. We help him out of his predicament against Black Tusk in FEB, and he's allowed into the White House, albeit in house arrest.

Y6S2: We go through a series of riddles to find Theo Parnell, where we learn from comsm how he and Keener faked their deaths (Descent tech). We recover him at NOA HQ and deal with a resurgent Hyena force supplied by Black Tusk.

Y6S3: We follow Kelso's trail, again, to recover intel drops, where we learn even more truth about "Cassandra" and her mission, the Ark Protocol (Aka access to U.S Nuclear Arsenal). At Roosevelt Island, we stopped True Sons from taking Faye's Mobile SHD Server and recover an ECHO, where it reveals that Faye's watch has Presidential Clearance for the nukes thanks to Ellis before she killed him. Meanwhile, Kelso infiltrates the White House and kills Dr. Joshua Summers as he was revealed to be a Black Tusk double agent, then wakes Schaefer up from his coma with a stim. And we learn that Schaeffer is "The Key" since he has credentials to Black Tusk's biometric security system protecting their secret bunkers.

Y7S1: We disrupt hostile supply chains and activities to find and rescue The Manager, a middle-aged man who works as Logistics Manager for Sokolov Concern. Meanwhile, Schaeffer gets interviewed by Manny, where he spills details about Diamond, Natalya Sokolova, Black Tusk, and how to stop them.

ashen jungle
#

How was that not flagged.

glad spruce
#

No idea.

But if anyone wants to pin it, I'd happily oblige.

ashen jungle
#

Three thousand, three hundred, and seventy one characters.

glad spruce
#

Is there a problem?

ashen jungle
#

Yes, the filter is clearly missing something.

#

A post with 3000 charactes in it should not be able to get through.

#

We're probably not going to pin that, but you're welcome to make a post in the wiki and tell people about it.

tepid ibex
glad spruce
torn shoal
#

and i guess nexxt time u wanna do a recap, do it in several smaller parts to avoid bot smacking u down

glad spruce
#

Yep

true fox
glad spruce
#

Much appreciated.

glad spruce
#

Okay, starting next week, there's no more Descent comms since there's no new comms this season, so yay?

But you can still expect me to summarize weekly Manhunt comms.

true fox
sleek plover
#

Say what you will about keener faction.

They sure have lots of free time to make those riddles

torn shoal
#

what riddle ?

glad spruce
#

The riddles that we had to solve in Theo Manhunt in Y6S2 and Kelso's Intel drops in Kelso Manhunt in Y6S3

#

Though the Y6S2 Manhunt should only count, since it's the only one where it had riddles

torn shoal
#

i mean, now the manhunt will only be riddle, so whoever we chasing its gonna be the same each time

glad spruce
#

Yeah, so this season's Manhunt and last season's Manhunt hints were basically simple as hell

torn shoal
#

yeah the first season 2.0 manhunt feedback was really saying "too confusing", people really dont like plugin their brain

#

which is weird cause the hunter puzzle for some of them are really super hard

remote tree
#

Speaking of riddles, we still haven’t solved the secret WONY hunter

late void
#

If you mean the spare hook, I'm pretty sure that's not a hunter that's available to find in the game yet

#

Apparently Yannick said there is a NY hunter clue we haven't found yet, but we have found the hunter - just brute forced the puzzle solution

glad spruce
#

I think I heard it differently, because I heard they were planning to add an additional Hunter puzzle, but it didn't work through.

late void
#

Yes, that was the reasoning I heard mentioned regarding the extra hook.
The unfound clue was a separate thing, a mention Yannick made of an unsolved puzzle.

torn shoal
#

yeah there is only a hook but no hunter tied to it

#

reminds me i still have 2 hunters in brooklyn and 4 in ny

#

some of thoses puzzle are awful man i erally not enjoy them

late void
#

I guess that's why they made the brooklyn ones so much simpler

torn shoal
#

i mean im fine with hard puzzle but thoses in ny were stupid annoying not stupid hard

#

the one where we have to activate 9 levers in brooklyn is def way too long

#

the one with the canisters is also stupid like you have to go there to make the cnaister spawn then come back after picking them

#

(and somehow he vanished after like 5s so i have to do it all over again cause thats how lucky i am)

remote tree
#

I cleared all the hunters during covid and cleared brooklyn the second week I played

torn shoal
#

i would have cleared brooklyn first week if the puzzle were working normally and not stupidly

remote tree
#

Yeah it was a huge buzzkill when it bugged

glad spruce
#

I had to downgrade my NVIDIA driver back then due to constant crashes lol

remote tree
#

F

strange fiber
ashen jungle
#

Sorry I'm too over 30 to get that joke.
I think I understand the first half of that last word.

mossy iron
#

didnt we already captured keener, as the watch we got is from him, he is also in prison in DC
but why NY he has entirely different story and team

ashen jungle
#

||We didn't actually kill him in the WONY plot, we took his watch off him then.
Later on, he came in on his own and we kept him in a cell in the White House.||

mossy iron
#

ohh, NY event is before DC ?
that made much more sense

ashen jungle
#

Uh not quite, it's both.
the initial campaign was all in DC, then WONY was released in 2020 > then we got all the season stuff including Kelso and Keener and etc, then BfB happened later on.

torn shoal
glad spruce
#

The Pact Manhunt Comm 2, Recruitment

||Bardon Schaeffer talks to The Manager, who was troubled by a briefing he had recently. Mr. Manager insists he's still committed to his work, when Schaeffer questioned him if he's on the side of angels, where he admitted up until recently, he'd have said yes.||

||To recruit him as a double agent, Schaeffer tells Mr. Manager to privately listen to the recording he gives him and give him an answer. ||

||Mr. Manager asks Schaeffer if he said yes, he tells him their conversation will be an interesting one, either way.||

sick lantern
#

ie all the bodies and the Razorback at the White House from Reign of Fire were there for everyone even people who hadn’t played the season

ember vector
obsidian jay
torn shoal
#

its troy, from community, remedial chaos theory episode

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which is maybe one if the best episode of any show i seen in my life, everything is just perfect in it

#

the funny thing is that during the writing of that episode the writer was the meme of the conspiracy guy in sunny in philadelphia with all the dots connected on a map to keep track of everythig

glad spruce
glad spruce
#

I just learned there's a cosmetic bundle called Morovian in the store right now, which I'm more than sure it's referring to the Morovian Society, which we knew from an easter egg in Roosevelt Island as well as Rogue Agent Jupiter knew about them before we killed her.

I do hope we get least more on that lore, even when the Division-Black Tusk war is top priority

torn shoal
#

whats morovian society ?

glad spruce
torn shoal
#

ah yeah, it could be fun if they had an impact

storm axle
#

When will we finally start winning

#

Im pretty sure that we didnt had a one win in a while

glad spruce
#

I mean, we're fighting against a giant, so we'll have to put a huge blow on Black Tusk to be considered a win, lol

torn shoal
tepid ibex
#

These opps just keep respawning

obsidian jay
obtuse chasm
#

Anyone knew William Bromley? He claim we save his family but I don't remember when..

#

I found his family near secret vendor in open world

#

Kinda wholesome tho

ashen jungle
#

IIRC that was the Missing Wire Scavengers side mission, that awarded.... I wanna say a barrel mod?

glad spruce
#

Have you guys ever met a person who's miserable with their life, but like the misery they inflicted on themselves?

Mackenzie Meret reminds me of those people.

torn shoal
#

how is mac miserable ?

#

like she is the opposite of that

glad spruce
#

She lost her parents in an accident, she's too selfish and hates people, a complete jerk to her friends, and her philanthropy is a coping mechanism for her misanthropy.

Not to mention, she hates her family wealth created through blood money and tried to blow it off for a fashion line, which took off, which made her even more miserable.

#

Hell, Bridgette Douglas was her friend and that friendship went south to the point she questioned herself why she made excuses for Mack's behavior.

torn shoal
#

i mean thats not her making herself miserable to me, thats just a not people person forced to be with people

glad spruce
#

Y6S3, Comm 13, Watch.


BARDON SCHAEFFER: Sure.

VIPER: Mack is the billionaire version of that. Her parents died when she was little and she got shipped off to boarding school with the rest of the royals and captain's of industry kids. She hated it there. She would never be as beautiful as Nat, and she didn't want her inheritance. She didn't want to feed the war machine and pass it on to her kids. So she was hellbent on never having kids and tried to give away all the blood money. As a joke she made a fashion line and it took off, so the blood money multiplied, and now she's just this sad rich spinster in a marble tomb trying to make up for generations of exploitation. It's not possible, so she's just in the speakeasy getting drunk and growing tomatoes. And occasionally making titanium bracelets for her friends with really inappropriate inscriptions.```
torn shoal
#

yeah i guess it fit the description

#

but as someone that has been around that people that do hate themselves to the point of misery, she really doesnt give me that kind of vibe

#

she doesnt hate herself that much, more like the life she been given i think

#

she just doesnt understand/knows how to get out of it

#

she is more lost in life that hating herself, thats my take

glad spruce
#

That's one way to interpret it.

torn shoal
#

yeah its not a closed box where she fit obv, thoses description can vary widly, so you aint wrong either

#

some people do end up hating themselves to the point of misery when given a life they hate

sleek plover
#

Hey lyfe

#

Hows Deth the Critic doing

torn shoal
glad spruce
#

Ignore him, Lyfe.

torn shoal
#

i mean i dont even understand what he trying to say lmao

glad spruce
#

I don't either

obsidian jay
#

oh lmao I get it

torn shoal
#

do you tho ?

obsidian jay
torn shoal
#

and i thought i was evil
damn im slacking

sleek plover
#

Lyfe the Enthusiast <-> Deth the Critic

torn shoal
#

never heard of this

late void
#

It's just an inversion of your name

torn shoal
#

deth isnt a word

sleek plover
#

so isnt lyfe

sick lantern
#

is it cheating to say true sons cus we kinda already did petter

torn shoal
obsidian jay
torn shoal
#

i guess ?

remote tree
#

Any guess if we’re goin to have another hunter showdown at the end of this season’s climax?

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That 4 hunter part of Kelso’s was no joke

torn shoal
obsidian jay
sinful mauve
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Probably another god damn Hound. This time with 2 legs

torn shoal
obsidian jay
torn shoal
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I know a character that everyone would love to see resurrected

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alex

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so we can kill them again. and again. and again.

obsidian jay
remote tree
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Mutinity seems interesting but could they rlly pull things off in three months? I would expect a delay

ashen jungle
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This is the lore discussion channel.

glad spruce
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I did make a theory not long ago about how this season's finale will lead up to Mutiny.

late void
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Still waiting to see any sign of this pact, I thought the factions would stop fighting each other in the streets this season but they haven't.

torn shoal
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yep me too, its weird

torn shoal
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and from what we know with mari sing manhunt, bt soldiers are loyal to the death like they would happily die for nat, so doesnt look thats gonna be them

obsidian jay
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It'd freak me out if the LMB remnants within the white tusk revolt like I've hoping for the last...idk how many months
probably not tho like you said
haven't really been up to date on the latest lore either

sick lantern
torn shoal
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also since div 2 story is still supposed to last for few years at least, we can tell that this mutiny wont change much things anyway

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at least not as much as wiping out a faction

late void
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Maybe some more true sons deciding they're not a fan of Anderson and BT

torn shoal
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if true sons and bt part ways it def would be against the current manhunt which is supposed to have them all allied

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i mean its possible, but the alliance ingame at least is supposed to be permanent, so idk why that would be the case in lore

late void
torn shoal
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yeah but I would find weird to have every faction united only for one season especially since the alliance ingame is supposed to be permanent

late void
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Depends what united them, many are fundamentally opposed to each other so if it's only one thing holding them together (a promise of some tech, say), you only need to remove that to have any alliance collapse

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My assumption on the announcement of this season was that the factions would be allied in game during the season, and the climax mission would involve removing whatever it was that was keeping that alliance going. Obviously I was wrong about the first part though.

ashen jungle
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I assumed that the "pact" part of this Season would primarily be in Retal, and the Climax Mission/Manhunt stuff.
The base game rarely changes, and I think making them not fight each other in the LZ would probably cause some random issues.

late void
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They did it successfully with true sons and bt, so I thought they'd be fine doing it with the rest of the factions

ashen jungle
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If they changed it in the random encounters in the world itself between BT and TS, I ddin't notice.

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What I assumed they'd do is just change it for season-specific stuff.

late void
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They did, TS and BT haven't attacked each other in the open world since the Anderson season

ashen jungle
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I'm fairly sure I've had a war happen with a BT minigunner firing at True Sons, but it's neat if that was the intention.
Some kinda indication so we'd notice it would not go amiss.

obsidian jay
remote tree
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The current BT/TS alliance is more for show than power. Nat sees them as expendable, albeit weak grunts since when we did the stranded oil tanker mission for Kelso, she was disappointed in Anderson’s men

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Same could be said for the train wreck that was the Roosevelt Island redux manhunt

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“Ducky get off the comms”

glad spruce
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That's why I believe by the end of this season, Nat will have General Anderson executed and have the True Sons absorbed to her Black Tusk.

And given next season's title, not every True Son would be willing to work under Nat's thumbs.

torn shoal
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i dont think she will execute him bluntly, she is way more sneaky, if anderson has to die, she'll find a way to have his mens do the job and join her instead

ashen jungle
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If they go that route, she'll just send him somewhere unwinable. That way if he dies, he wasn't good enough to lead the True Sons, if he lives, Nat's proven that the partnership was a good idea. and strengthens her position.
She's a business thinker first and foremost, after all.

torn shoal
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ah yes the good old poisoned job, win either way for her

ashen jungle
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I wanna say it wouldn't even be the first time she's made this play.

torn shoal
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obv, it's a common move with thoses high up exec/ceo/etc

ashen jungle
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Yeah I see it all the time, Google regularly runs death games to decide who gets a golden parachute.

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They call it "I'm feeling lucky".

loud pilot
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I’ve found that the division books are audio books on Spotify what books should I listen to first?

next sandal
glad spruce
true fox
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september 2nd... september has already passed previously in the hidden alliance season. or is it a mistake they made... or is it September 2017 ???

ember vector
true fox
brave shard
brave shard
# loud pilot I’ve found that the division books are audio books on Spotify what books should ...

Well Hearts on Fire is basically stand alone and doesn't affect the storyline. Its all about agent Melanie Hoskins' time in NYC. So it basically just gives you backstory for when you meet her in Battle for Brooklyn.
Broken Dawn is the continuation of April Kelleher's story from Division 1 and leads into the lore of Division 2 before the agents are sent there. I like this one it fills a few blanks in the story.
The Novel trilogy of Recruited, Compromised and Hunted take place around the same time as Division 2 then also into the future. Its a good story, a few holes but besides the St. Louis part it doesn't show up in any of the current storyline.

brave shard
# glad spruce That's why I believe by the end of this season, Nat will have General Anderson e...

I don't think Natalya will excute him because she needs a figurehead she can control and thats Anderson. Somehow the True Sons respect him so he's the tool she uses to control them. If she excutes him or gets him killed like her brother Felix, there's too much risk that a strong leader will take command and defy her. Then she'll have another foe to fight that knows her plans and location of her bases. No, Anderson isn't going to die or mutiny. But there's going to be enough True Sons who will disagree with the plan to nuke where ever Nat plans to nuke and disagreed with how Captain Lewis was treated and how they are being treated.

ashen jungle
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@brave shard What's your platform?

brave shard
ashen jungle
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Nope, just need to keep it tidy. Ta.

brave shard
# remote tree Mutinity seems interesting but could they rlly pull things off in three months? ...

I would assume its already in the coding. I would imagine its going to work like the control point leader. Have some effect on combat, hopefully they give them something more then a handgun though. They could also possibly use the same coding they used for Kelso in the grand washington hotel mission. They could also attempt to copy the AI npcs in GR Breakpoint or AC Shadows switchable npc maybe. But to be truthfully I have no idea how hard it would be to code into the game. But I would assume its already done and partially tested if they have announced it.

ashen jungle
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Okay this is the lore channel, not arm-chair dev time.

remote tree
glad spruce
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sighs

Kelso had to go cuz she had Faye's watch, which has Presidential Clearance for the nukes.

ashen jungle
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Sokolova hardly even needs the nukes, she can just ||go steal the "printer" from The Bridge, and then engineer something to kill off everyone she doesn't like. ||

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Getting it out there wouldn't even be a problem, just intro it to the water supply or something.

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||When Theo leaves, Kandel has the key, and she herself knows she's a kidnap magnet. ||

glad spruce
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||IIRC, the DLC's ending had Hoskins give the key to Theo, when she got pissed at him for never telling her about The Printer in the first place.||

||And it's not like he's gonna leave anytime soon since his girlfriend is pregnant and having a baby.||

sinful shale
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Was there any canonical implication that our character is basically a one man army? (in both games if there are any)

glad spruce
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Yeah, there's been moments in Battle for Brooklyn where we've been referred to as the D.C agent or "Theo's friends from D.C"

late void
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the stovepipe manhunt mission was a deliberate move by sokolova to get us away from the white house while they raided it, which was an acknowledgement of our threat

sinful shale
sinful shale
glad spruce
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If Sokolova calls us personally and tries to sway us by promising gear and weapons, I'm gonna laugh pretty hard.

sinful shale
sick lantern
sinful shale
torn shoal
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when sokolova lured us outside the white house, its not "that agent specifically", its agents stationned at wwhite house, and there isnt 50 of them

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overall you're just one guy in a global army

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i like to think that when i die ingame i dont get revived i just get another agent to replace me

sinful shale
torn shoal
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i mean if you see 50 guys in a room waiting you're better off using some aoe weapon instead of sending a few guys, like true sons did on castle or keener on the clinic

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thats why artillerie exist and true sons/bt use it

sinful shale
zenith spruce
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i got a question why do i hear annas voice when i load into the game do we use her now or issac or both?

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do we get to switch between issac and anna and does it mean we are rouge if we are hearing or using anna?

glad spruce
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We use both.

ANNA was involved in Battle for Brooklyn, cuz she's the AI used by our Rogue friends Theo, Hoskins, and Keener.

And no, we can't switch.

zenith spruce
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because i like anna slightly more

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she actually has a personality

torn shoal
zenith spruce
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where can i check the lore yt?

glad spruce
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NGN

ashen jungle
glad spruce
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||I'm aware of that found footage , and that was set before the DLC started. So it's not like Theo is leaving the Bridge right now.||

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Always assume found footage videos are set prior to the current story

zenith spruce
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if hunters and splinter cell operatives and division agents went against rainbow six would they win?

sick lantern
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the first group

zenith spruce
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what if if its each of those frist groups by themselves

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like agents v r6 or hunters v r6 or just splinter cell v r6?

glad spruce
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Whoever you like the most.

Powescaling discussions are boring

torn shoal
prisma socket
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Being completely obsessed with the division I have always liked the idea of a DnD style RPG based in The Division universe. Not having the time to develop such a thing, nor anyone to play with I found a fun time killing work around. I use ChatGPT as a game master and play as an agent. It is pretty decent.

torn shoal
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u should try with actual people, it's not just decent, it's the best time ever

obsidian jay
prisma socket
prisma socket
# sinful shale Was there any canonical implication that our character is basically a one man ar...

Something I’ve noticed about the game is that lore concerning the agent isn’t a developed part of the story. I like it because it allows each player to have their own “head canon” about who the agent is. Since there are common areas in both games where you can actually see other agents and you can call for backup / matchmake I would tend to say there is at least some implication that there are other agents in the area. I guess I think the real answer is that it depends on how you play. If you play solo then you are a one man army. I might add that game cover art for both show a 4 person squad.

sick lantern
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I mean history speaks for itself that it might be scarily easy for the average person but in the context of a Division agent

torn shoal
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something something dont talk about irl

glad spruce
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The Pact Manhunt, Comm 3, Reunion

||The Manager run in each other with Schaeffer at the Base of Operations, asking each other how they're holding up. Schaeffer says he's been in a coma, while Mr. Manager says he's been doing like seven different jobs for Natalya, being locked in the Potomac Event Center, and spending 8 hours a day debriefing Manny Ortega on Sokolova's logistical operations.||

||Mr Manager then comments about being on the side of angels with the Division, while Schaeffer hopes that's the case as it has been hard for him to tell anymore||

glad spruce
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Man, Bardon must be getting cold feet if this week's comm is any indication.

torn shoal
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i mean he is finding himself in a new world basically since a lot changed, he wanted to defect but any defection is hard on the mind

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and there is always the "what if i was wrong all along"

glad spruce
glad spruce
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Next time, I gotta pay attention to tweets and not jump to conclusions.

true fox
glad spruce
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Probably some other narrative designer at Massive takes the narrative director role for Division 2

But hey, if Lauren's new role means Division 3 comms will have a calendar date in them and transcript, that's fine by me.

Trying to come up with the chronology of Descent comms and some of the Manhunt comms are a bit of a headache.

true fox
true fox
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Lauren gave me an answer about this once, I wanted to share it.

glad spruce
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You can share it to me on DM.

true fox
kind hare
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The layout of the Descent comms in their current state was never the original intention.
It seems it was overlooked closer to the release of Descent unfortunately.

glad spruce
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Oh, hey NGN. How are ya?

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But yeah, the current layout of the Descent comms in terms of chronology is frustrating.

I'm sure it's been said many times how frustrating it is to not have proper catch-up mechanic for the comms, so I won't say more about it here.

sleek plover
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I wonder if BT Rations would be Russian Tushonka or American MRE

glad spruce
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Probably both

torn shoal
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the least expensive one for sure

frail pond
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What's the lore rn?

glad spruce
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Right now, we're trying to disrupt the pact forged between True Sons, Hyenas, and Outcasts

Meanwhile, we get comms every week detailing The Manager and his past dealings with Natalya and other people of interest

torn shoal
frail pond
torn shoal
glad spruce
torn shoal
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cause a lot happenned depending when you left

frail pond
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Also, why only the Cleaners and Black Tusk get access to ground vehicles? You would think America, being the car addicted country that it is, add in the horde that the National Guard would've deployed in the outbreak and subsequent...events, and you'd think everyone would've been decked out in Humvees, at least. Hell, give me heavier stuff. Where are all the Strykers and Abrams?

frail pond
glad spruce
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Kelso went off the grid cuz she has Faye's SHD watch, which holds the Presidential Clearance for the U.S nuclear arsenal.

frail pond
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Also also, wonder what happened to the Joint Chiefs of Staff?

glad spruce
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No one knows, cuz the entire governmental structure broke up from the outbreak.

Hell, even the military itself collapsed with many personnel leaving.

sick lantern
frail pond
sick lantern
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left behind in military depots and etc as logistics and communication collapsed
no fuel, no crews, no objectives

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few have the resources or manpower to secure and deploy them and few good reasons to put the effort in
best I can say is read the Operation Crossroads trilogy

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||the Molossi, only with logistical support from the Freighties and fuel from the Roughnecks, deploy an Abrams as part of the assault on the Black Tusk in Alberquque||

cold bramble
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I have a question, how long did it take from the initial outbreak to complete collapse timeline wise? Is that something we know?

sick lantern
cold bramble
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Woah!

glad spruce
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I wonder how many people here know of Black Tusk supplying the Hyenas

torn shoal
torn shoal
glad spruce
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I'd reckon after Conley died, BT managed to make an amicable partnership with the Cleaners.

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Or rather, Dolores Jones and her Black Tusk were such a complete morons, that Nat was more than happy they were dead

torn shoal
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yeah but like, that was kinda quick

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"oh you slaughtered our friends ? yeah but what if you were that friend now ?"

glad spruce
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I know Black Tusk's soldiers are psychotic killers.

But holy hell, Dolores was foul-mouthed.

torn shoal
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who was worse, dolores or that cat hater ?

glad spruce
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Keiko Nakama was THE WORST.

Dolores was at least funny.

torn shoal
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idk, wyvern wasnt really funny

glad spruce
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Wyvern got nothing to do with Dolores.

At least the latter was funny.

mossy iron
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wtf is going on??? why kelso killed the doctor like she is rogue ??

torn shoal
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He kept Schaeffer in a coma to avoid revealing secrets

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And yes she is rogue rn

mossy iron
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very roughly

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im going around collecting Echos and Comms, going through story without skipping yet still confused about timeline and what is actually going on

torn shoal
mossy iron
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nope..

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im still at scout 1 and objective 1 not knowing how to progress

torn shoal
mossy iron
torn shoal
torn shoal
mossy iron
torn shoal
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But dont focus on that until you done previous manhunts

mossy iron
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how do i know what's previous manhunts? and how do i know whetrher im doing em in roder ?

torn shoal
mossy iron
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start from jupiter

torn shoal
sinful shale
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Just realized smth, is the recruiter the same guy as the one in one of the trailers for TD2?

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Like I swear I saw someone that looked like him in the trailers

torn shoal
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all hunters look the same tbh

sinful shale
torn shoal
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yeah, hes a hunter

glad spruce
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Was, since we kicked his ass a few weeks ago, in-universe

sinful shale
glad spruce
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Yeah, just so we don't confuse other people who might read this channel, Division 2's timeline doesn't follow on the same scale as real life.

velvet oyster
torn shoal
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still a hunter

glad spruce
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Doesn't matter.

He's dead.

true fox
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If we defeated the Black Tusk in their hovercraft, shouldn't The Division have a hovercraft?

glad spruce
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Depends if we can override Diamond running the Hovercrafts

true fox
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Right

torn shoal
true fox
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Before use, wouldn't they have to do a review?

torn shoal
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backin my days scams used to be readable

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like wtf is this lol

true fox
glad spruce
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It would be pretty funny if we get a new voice line from standard enemy archetypes like assault where they beg their comrades to stop us when we sweep them around like flies xD

torn shoal
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That would imply they are afraid of us, which def isnt the case

glad spruce
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Considering the kill count that we, the player agent, made (Solo or with a team of four), they should be afraid of us lol

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Hell, Black Tusk should fear us.

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But no, they wanna aurafarm and talk to us like we're children and can't comprehend the totality of their brilliant plans lol

torn shoal
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I mean, they def hit us hard too, especially Hunters

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We dont have many win vs them, and they took out a lot of us

ashen jungle
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It is important to remember that not every single thing we do is canon.

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we don't get kill credits for 400 runs of Lincoln Heroic.

torn shoal
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We killed hunters like 3 times in manhunts, so we def arent winning vs them

glad spruce
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Yes, I'm well aware that each mission, including their variants, are only only done once, story wise.

I just wanna give those arrogant Black Tusk morons a huge serving of humble pie

ashen jungle
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It's always been up in the air, if we were actually the same Agent who did all those missions, or just some of them.
I wouldn't be shocked if it was a mix of both, and there's no true defining statement on the matter.

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Although interestingly: it seems we might actually be the canonical Agent from div1, as Kandel in the intro to bfb refers to us "saving her again".

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I'll need to re-do the intro again to see the exact language used, but it gave me pause the first run-through.

glad spruce
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If I'm being honest, that line didn't feel like she was referring to our Division 2 agent as the Division 1 agent.

But more like, Kandel expressing frustrations how this is like the second time she had to be saved from danger by the Division

true fox
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I agree, it would be strange if it was just one person.

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I have a question

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Have you ever thought that the Legacy Manhunt could function as a "layer" or a seasonal event? In games like The Division 2, I see that when I start the Manhunt for Retaliation, it feels like I'm entering a temporary, separate map or instance. It would be interesting to activate an entire season around a concept like that, allowing players to participate until the season ends.

glad spruce
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While this question is less lore involved, I do think of using the systems that Retaliation was built upon to create a map instance for legacy Manhunts is a very good idea.

true fox
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I even think it might be viable instead of trying to, how can I say, remake the game from DLC1 onwards.

zenith spruce
ashen jungle
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She didn't say "agent", or even "an agent", she specifically said "you". Which hmm, curious.

torn shoal
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you can just be impersonal tho, just saying you as "the division"

ashen jungle
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I'm aware of the subtelties of language.

glad spruce
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The Pact Manhunt, Comm 4, Hyenas

||The Manager expresses concerns to Schaeffer when he learns of RC Car Bombs being shipped to DC. Schaeffer explains it's less suspicious than supplying them with a legion of drones, as Black Tusk wasn't ready to make their move the capital, so they needed eyes on the ground through proxy to understand what they're up against.||

||Mr. Manager, of course, knows how proxy wars work. He just doesn't like it when people are being used, especially kids as target practice.||

||Schaeffer assures him that no kids are involved, then the Manager asks where those RC Car Bombs are being supplied to, and Schaeffer answers they're supplying them to local street gangs (aka Hyenas). It's more believable that way, as they could rig the supplies they've been given by using whatever what was left behind during the chaos that engulfed DC during the outbreak.||

sinful mauve
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Crazy it was once a street gang. Now its a whole raider faction

sick lantern
celest hare
glad spruce
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In a fight, right?

celest hare
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Sure, whatever makes you happier

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As far as I’m concerned, none of the hunters are female, which is unfortunate for me

glad spruce
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coughVipercough

celest hare
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Viper is just a mask… wait give me a second

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She’s a rogue agent, not a hunter

jolly basin
celest hare
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I had fun with the photo mode might do more

torn shoal
torn shoal
glad spruce
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Manhunt: Vanguard, Comm 18, Dinner.


VIPER: That's more of a third date conversation. ```

Manhunt: Shades of Red, Comm 19, Roster. 

```THEO PARNELL: This is incredible. We have all of them. You were right, Bridgette Douglas is a Hunter.

AARON KEENER: I knew it. That's our way in.

THEO PARNELL: You sure? She's a Hunter.

AARON KEENER: She's a friend. Kept me out of trouble more than once. If anyone flew under Cal's radar, it's Bridge. ```
celest hare
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Oh, so bridge is a hunter

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That’s one exception, but all the character models even the open world ones are male

torn shoal
celest hare
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I’m not focusing only on women I’m literally saying how there’s only one female hunter

torn shoal
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clothes arent gendered

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and you been proved wrong many times + you dont know all hunters

celest hare
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Look at the design look at their body type

torn shoal
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body type and design isnt gendered

celest hare
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Of course I do you absolute psycho

torn shoal
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ok, name all hunters then

celest hare
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Oh my God, I’m in here with a loser

torn shoal
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only you have been proved wrong so far

celest hare
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Shut it I swear to God one more and I’m throwing you into the deepest pits of the dark zone

torn shoal
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try me

celest hare
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I would love to

torn shoal
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anyone saying they could take hunters anytime just sound like people saying they could fight a bear or fly a plane anytime

celest hare
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Is it a problem that I’m the most sane division agent here?

celest hare
jolly basin
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i haven't played the division 2 in a time now have i missed something intresting?

torn shoal
celest hare
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Yeah bro, they’re retaliating now DC is under heavy attack from all factions

torn shoal
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if you want a recap, try ngn youtube channel

jolly basin
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okay i will search him up

celest hare
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This must be how it feels to know who rogue gold is before his crossover

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Rogue gold was goated. I will watch him like every week to get updates of games and lore.

torn shoal
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doubt

jolly basin
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ngn in my goat i love his lore videos i watched him a lot when i was busy with exams

celest hare
# torn shoal doubt

How are you going to doubt that I’m quite literally one of the youngest people here who is the enthusiastic about the world of fiction why wouldn’t I know I’ve been playing the games since I was nine

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You NEWGENS ain’t got nothing on me

torn shoal
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not what i said, chill bro

celest hare
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OK, Broski

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I like how they’re like 6 -7 different factions

jolly basin
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you mean in game or lore wise?

celest hare
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Game

torn shoal
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there are 6 major faction, rest is minor factions

celest hare
jolly basin
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no im way too stupid

celest hare
torn shoal
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its ok, the rest of the discord is the same

celest hare
#

67

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It’s funny now laugh…

torn shoal
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how is it funny ?

jolly basin
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in the early version of td 1 weren't like plans for a russian mafia faction?

celest hare
torn shoal
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so, not funny

celest hare
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I use my voice in the dating server one time like actually use my voice instead of typing and now I have like six girls in my DMS. I don’t know if I should be proud or not.

torn shoal
torn shoal
celest hare
celest hare
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In fact, they’re coming to the mobile port, which hasn’t released yet for some reason

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I can’t wait to spend $23 on the new DLC

torn shoal
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oh, you're american

celest hare
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Yesssss now you see it

torn shoal
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that make sense now

celest hare
torn shoal
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well, gotta go, time to enjoy my free healthcare

jolly basin
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lol

celest hare
torn shoal
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petter gl bro

celest hare
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She literally said that this makes sense because I’m American, which sounds r@ically motivated

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No, if I said, I do not support LGBTQ and do not free Palestine I’ll be wrong right?

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Don’t let me catch you slipping in the dark zone

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….

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I like pineapple on my pizza

celest hare
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It’s delicious and I like IT! in fact, I’ll do it again!

torn shoal
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Thank god im not

celest hare
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You’re hating a delicious! food is supposed to be limitless just because me and you don’t like the same thing doesn’t mean you should hate on me

torn shoal
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I dont hate u ?

celest hare
torn shoal
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I dont think u know what real food is tho, but it's kinda off topic so best stop here, im out

jolly basin
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well that was interesting

ashen jungle
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Yeah look, the only reason I'm not nuking the entirety of this conversation and warning all who were in it, is that it's really late and I'm tired.
Stay on topic in the future.

celest hare
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Low-key I don’t think this place is funny anymore.

glad spruce
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He's 15, so that might explain some things.

ashen jungle
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Appropriate action's already been taken, let's leave it at that.

frosty bluff
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Anyways, I wonder if the JTF or some other faction have changed either Rikers Island or Governors Island…

Though thinking about it, Governor’s island probably got blasted by that hurricane and piled up with ship wreckage and debris

glad spruce
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Most likely not, considering the resource and personnel shortages that JTF went through in the months after Division 1.

frosty bluff
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Mhm

sleek plover
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I hope at least one of the legendary Pizza Masters of New york survived.

ashen jungle
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Hey, don't spoil Joe Ferro's secret life.

celest hare
ashen jungle
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@celest hare This is a lore channel.

celest hare
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OK, fine then Ill ask you in a different channel

torn shoal
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didnt we got a turtle ninja easter egg ?

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in ny

glad spruce
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I did a calculation on all the comms available we have in the game so far.

Assuming we don't get additional comms once the Climax mission is available, and we are looking at 793 comms as we speak.

zenith spruce
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i find it funny the white tusk on the wiki is called the strongest out of the three parts of the black tusk which is the black tusk the btsu and the white tusk

torn shoal
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why is it funny ?

glad spruce
ashen jungle
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In case folks are confused, "BTSU" just means "black tusk special unit".
At one point it was theorised that the BTSU were a special team within the BT itself, sort of like the special forces of BT.

timber geode
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IMO black tusk is like the strongest enemy we fight like they've got robots, I don't see the rikers or the hyenas using bad ass robots

ashen jungle
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Of course they're the strongest, their whole deal is that they're designed to be anti-SHD Agents.

timber geode
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I mean I suppose the rogues are also strong like keener and stuff

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Like no spoilers but they were tough

ashen jungle
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This is mostly a spoiler okay channel, unless it's something very new, or a big reveal.
E.g.|| Finding the echo of Lau meeting you back in div1, after you collect all of Danver's Network snitch cards. ||

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The existence of which does ||put a dampener on the idea that we're the same Agent, as it's referred to that "an unknown Agent's brick uploaded it".||

frosty bluff
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Has that "secret" door in the oval office ever been used?

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secret it quotes because honestly its pretty obvious its there

obsidian jay
# ashen jungle The existence of which does ||put a dampener on the idea that we're the same Age...

Well
Kandel does say she KEEPS ending up your damsel in distress in Brooklyn

And also (side thing) remember there being an audio log that mentions Faye lau and an unnamed agent (us) being the only survivors of the plane explosion and that the player character was the only agent to come and save Benitez (idk if that's how you spell it)

Side thing thats probably unrelated
You start off with a div1 gear set model that's unused EVERYWHERE else in the game when making a new DC character

ashen jungle
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I'm not having this conversation about Kandel again, I've said what I need to.

obsidian jay
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I just wanted to ramble about my theories but aight

ember vector
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I have always assumed we play two different Agents between Division 1 and Division 2. Also, Kandel was insufferable back in Division 1, especially during the Hudson Refugee Camp story mission, so sarcasm is part of her forte!

glad spruce
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I kinda assumed she was autistic because she was very specific about how getting the virus samples from Broadway Emporium and rescuing the infected at Hudson Refugee Camp were paramount to her research.

torn shoal
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fun fact, lot of characters in games are autistic coded without being said autistic cause devs/coders/etc often can be undiagnosed autistic themselves and they just write characters they feel are like them

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and im loving it as a fellow one

ashen jungle
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I think the fact that Kandel was gay was over people's heads, so anything more than that, they had no chance of realising it.

zenith spruce
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i hope if there is a third game we play as the same agent i think it would be kinda cool if enemies spread rumors about us

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like we become this massive boogeyman

sweet crypt
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My head canon is that the original agent went rogue at some point. Which was the breaking point that caused the other NY characters to go their separate ways.

frosty bluff
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Maybe the agent didn't like being thrown into that snow storm in Survival and decided to take a break to recover

obsidian jay
ashen jungle
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@sweet crypt I think your Agent would look great in some Rouge, don't let anyone tell you different.

mortal flame
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Where’s April Kelleher? we need an Echo…. a comic, a book…… I need lore lol

sick lantern
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@mortal flame she's another fetch quest mcguffin

glad spruce
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Fetch quest implies she's useless

glad spruce
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Long story short, she was trying to find why her husband was killed, and learned he was involved in developing the BSAVs.

And then, Kelso helped April go into hiding, since the latter was involved in the Ann Arbor incident, where Black Tusk attacked the facility.

ashen jungle
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@fast coral This is a lore channel, you're looking for #lfg-xbox

fast coral
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ty

ember vector
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In the first game's Dark Zone, the reason behind the supply drops happening was because the factions thought Keener and his friends were up to something and Faye Lau says we can't let SHD tech land in the hands of these said factions. So I was wondering what the "up to something" was regarding Keener's motives. Did they know he had Amherst's research and was inside the Dark Zone to continue his work? We just know he went to West Side Piers and that's where all the factions came together to hunt him down while he was taunting our Agent with the phone messages.

sick lantern
glad spruce
mortal flame
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Hopeful Division 3 will complete some threads and see if Natalia or Keener get their hands on Kelso’s (Lau’s) watch….

glad spruce
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Keener is already aware of the watch, and he entrusts it with Kelso's care.

sick lantern
mortal flame
ashen jungle
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It hasn't been canonically 5 years.

mortal flame
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so with us going back to Brooklyn and literally going through the same area with the Police Precinct from the Div 1 intro mission, can we still find evidence that we’ve been here before? Ie, wreckage, loot chests….

mortal flame
tepid ibex